WWE: Unreal Exposes No Script, No Structure, and Improvised Booking

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Episode nine and forty seven of the wrestlers are podcasts.
King of Podcasts, Here with you, WWE Unreal. We got
the Netflix series. I pretty much skipped through it like
I watched most of the wrestling shows because I knew
when I was going to catch this document. The five
episode series not worth watching the whole thing. They want

(01:05):
to make this look like Ultimate Fighter. They obviously and
very clearly where Triple H was talking about. He wanted
to replicate the Formula one series that was on Netflix
that helped to amplify Formula one racing so that people
got to know the characters, know the people and get
a little more involved. This was one of the things

(01:26):
that they got to do with the Netflix deal, and
everything that was done since the Netflix era was what
we saw. And I'll tell you this, there's a lot
of telling things about what they did with this show
and how they run it, because the only part I

(01:46):
cared about if I was going to watch anything on
this particular series was what was the feel of the
writer's room, Okay, of any good scripted series. And this
is the thing. If you don't want your wrestling to
be totally scripted, I understand that part. There is a
common ground here. I don't want, but I mean I've

(02:08):
heard Tommy Dreamer on Busted Open talking about unreal and
the fact that, yeah, you don't want to have someone
given a script or a card and they have to
memorize it. No, they should have talking points, and the
talking point should be created by a creative team that says, Okay,
this is the director, we're going in this particular storyline.

(02:28):
Here's a start, here's a finish, and what we have
in between. You know, there's a difference between too much
scripting and too little, And right now they're they're not
even ad scripting. They're not they don't want to do that.
They just are thinking that and w You're gonna just

(02:49):
let these stars go out there and cut promos natural,
off the cuff, impromptu, without very little items or anything.
And that's the part that really bothers me. I mean,
when I look at some of the storylines that some
of the promos that we get, we're not getting anything
overly memorable. Because it's one thing that we said about

(03:14):
who you get out there to cut the promos when
you have certain stars in them around for a long time. Yeah,
Cody or John Cena, Yeah, they're gonna know what they're doing.
Brandy Orton, you're my guitar. Yeah, they know they're gonna
know what they're doing. See, I'm punk more or less.
But he's been a little more pandering than he's been
anything else. And that's fine. But like so ma of
these other stars and the chances they give them to

(03:34):
go ahead and cut promos out there, they might have
gotten promo to one NXT. That's not seeing that they're
the promos that they cut there were good, that's not
it either. But when we look at the writer's room
and what they were doing in the writer's room, there's
no leadership whatsoever. When I look at Triple H sitting
back there with his water bottle, whatever protein shake, whatever

(03:56):
he's gotten is on his person, and he's talking to
some of the other folks in there, and they're just
going over ideas. Now, this is all for show. We
know this is all for show. They're just out there
doing a segment after what was really the writer's room segment. Okay,
and they come in here and say, okay, well let's

(04:18):
just do this here. We're just gonna go ahead, and
you know, we're gonna give a performance. We're gonna just
reiterate what we just said in the meeting, but then
for the cameras for Netflix, we're gonna do something a
little different. Because they spent no time in the writer's room.
That's telling you everything you need to know. They're not
gonna do wrestling the way it was. They don't want

(04:40):
to do what they did. Somebody pointing out on social media, okay,
it is, well, SummerSlam coming up now being a two
day event this weekend. Three years now that Triple H
basically took over the pencil where it's basically him running
the show. Maybe some guidance from Vince mcman a little
bit after that, maybe got a little bit of guidance

(05:02):
from there, but for the most part, Triple H had
control of the pencil and he inherited a decent situation
because you're talking about being over a year removed from
COVID and the Thunderdome. Yeah, so you're on an upswing.
People are really excited getting to go back out like

(05:24):
it was, and then going to Nashville and getting to
have that big crowd out there pull and doing what
you done out there right, had great matches going on too,
a very good card. But we're at now compared to
Big story. If we had to go look back at
what Summersam was in twenty twenty two, I'd love to

(05:45):
go and figure that out. Just go back to that again,
just to remind myself. I want to go back to
that that moment what Triple H was inheriting in twenty
twenty two when he first came out and was now
controlling the creative chief creative Officer by himself. He had

(06:05):
Bianca Butler and Becky Lynch Roboman's title and Bianca won
Logan Paul being the Miz. And then you had Bobby
Lashley over theory for the United States title, the Mysterios
with Rayon Dominic over Judgment Day, which was find Dollar
Debian Priest at the time, and Ree Ripley was at
ringside Pat McAfee against Happy Corbyn, you know, dumbass Corbyn

(06:29):
right USO's together defeating Street Profits for the under Undisputed
the w Attacking Championships. Lived Morgan over Ronda Rowsey. That
was lived Morgan's big moment to come out there and
she got the pinfall on Ronda Rowsey taking herself to
another level in her career. And Roman Reigns in brock
Lesner and Roman Rains winning a last band Standing match

(06:52):
for the Undisputed Universal Championship. So that was in the
peak of Roman Reigns. With Paul Hands out there, the
blood Line was on top. That's what he had. He
had the bloodline storyline, kicking Ass, had the Judgment Day
Kicking Ass. He brought out Damage Control, Okay, new faction

(07:12):
for Bailey. All that was great. Bianca Becky top of
their game. Awesome stuff. And where are we now if
you look at the card now currently, I think there's
a step down from it. Aside from John Cena, Cody
Rhodes that we have coming up a rematch from WrestleMania.

(07:36):
Tony Stratton and Jake Cargo for the women's title. Randy
Orton and Jelly Roll versus Drew mcintar and Logan Paul
for Logan Paul now is at this point okay, put
him in a celebrity match going through and see him
punk for the World Heavyweight title. Judgment Day now with
Rock Said and Brez and Rocquella Ririguez for the women's
tag team titles. Agains, Charlotte flirtonnok Saiblist that's okay, Rumen

(07:57):
Rains and Jay Ussa now say yeah. Rumen Rains be
relegated to working with Jay Usso in a tag team
match that means nothing again, no title picture, no main
event picture here, and sammy'savers is carrying across. That's your
first night on your second night after Johnson Cody Rhodes
at the top of the card, Naomi re RiPP the

(08:20):
EO Sky for the women's world title. I'll be good.
Becky Lynch of the Law of Virkaria in their blowoff
match notice qualification, no count and if Lynch wins, Valkia
can no longer challenge for the title as long as
Lynch is champion again. One side of stipulation l Carrier
gets nothing if she wins besides the title. Okay, souls

(08:42):
the CooA Jacob out to United States title steel cage match.
All right, we'll do previous predictions a little bit later
on dominic stereo and ag styles or the IC title.
That's great. Why at six? Who are now your tag
team champions in a six pack tables, ladders and chair match.
So Dexter Loose and Joe Gase you will be a

(09:05):
part for YA six ANDREDA and Ray Phoenix is another
team Di I Y is another team Racks You, another
team what to see machine Guns, another team as treat Profits,
another team. Okay, that's a cluster right there. So that's
their plan I showed. I just wrote wrote that rolled
out with both cards. Do you see a drop off

(09:28):
a little bit here? I do, because some of the
stars that we have now that have taken some of
those other spots. Lear Ver Carria, I'm I don't see it.
We're gonna play back the promo that she did prior
to becking Lynch coming out to set up the heat
in the go home show for Raw to set up
for this match coming out this weekend, Sami singing Carrion across,

(09:51):
I mean Sammy saying, you know they want to just
keep putting him in such a Now he's in the
feature role and carrying across, this might be on the
way out for all we know. You put Roman Rains
in then my main event, and since he's lost Paul
Haymon for whatever reason, they think that's like, well, Roman
Rains can't be a remain of a guy right now

(10:12):
if he doesn't have if he doesn't have a Paul Hayman,
really he doesn't have bloodline really seeing punk after he's
made his way back after year and a half, now
he takes on Gunther. It was actually a planned match
that they were thinking about for WrestleMania. According to Unreal
for WrestleMania that it would have been interesting, but no,

(10:33):
they went with Jay Jussa and did what they did.
Brandy Orton being put in a celebrity match boggles the mind.
And I'm telling you, Tivity Stratton and Jake Cargill, I mean, look,
I don't know how well that's going to go. I
hope the best for them, but I feel a Tivity

(10:54):
Stratton Jay Cargo. That's not going to be a very
smooth match to watch. It's asking a lot for Jake
Cargill right now. If they have to go long, they
have to go ten to fifteen minutes. Oh boy, I
don't know if these two can carry for a very
long match. I just don't know. I don't know. That's

(11:15):
a weaker the women's matches they have, and only you know,
it's just where they are with all these things. But
I will say that with SummerSlam they are even he
got the fact that they got several women's matches on
both nights. Good, that's a good thing to say. A
big thing they were talking about in Unreal is that
the women's division is pretty strong and it's something they

(11:38):
need to go and focus more on, which is true.
I believe that. But into the whole story of Unreal
itself and what they did. I want to just take
some of the clips that they put out here, because
immediately once this special came out, this series all five episodes,
and they were immediately okay boom, like everybody was just

(12:02):
blasting away putting up Netflix. I'm all right. I found
a few of them. I wanted to go and talk about.
And so we'll go through some of this tonight and
see what they did. And there's a whole lot of
stuff I bookmark on X. So I just got to
go through that first of all and take care of
all that because there's a lot to be said. Now,
do I talk more about the you know what, I'll
lead the build up to Summer Sam after. We'll get

(12:25):
back to that later. I think that's a good idea.
I'm gonna go back more into see what they're gonna
do right now with everything with this particular show. Let's
go and go through that first. I think that's the
first thing I want to go and get into it
more than anything. First of all, they talked about setting

(12:49):
up the John Cena heeal turn. We're gonna play this
long clip about three minutes or so to set up
the whole idea. This is them explaining the nucleus.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
This is not this big man Pat Patterson together anymore. Now,
and the people that are being chosen to talk about
the setup for this main event says a lot. This
is the highest end of storytelling they're going to do
in this company, is for a storyline like this because
of the importance of The Rock and John Cena and

(13:22):
Cody Rhoads. So here's what we got.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
There are five people that I talked to with a
move this big. That's Rock obviously, it's Cody Sena, Travis Scott.
We want to help build this idea around.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And then because there's some kind of deal that you
have with Travis Scott, you have to put him in there.
You get to incorporate him. I mean, they don't explain why,
but it's obvious that Travis Scott some connections. He wants
to be in on something that's important, that's significant, especially
for Travis Scott and his brand to be wrecked nice

(14:00):
because if he's gonna be part of anything at WrestleMania, yeah,
put me in the main event storyline for no reason whatsoever.
Now they're talking about this part where it's leading up
to elimination Chamber, when The Rock is gonna ask Cody
for his soul. That's the part we're gonna get to first.
But anyway, moving along, the people being involved in this conversation,

(14:25):
Tina Rhoades, Rock, Triple H, Travis Scott, and Nick Kahn.
And here's where Chih goes on from.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Here and WW President of course Nick Khn. So my
first call is to Nick, who's also a board member
along with Rock. I run the idea by him. Nick
basically says, love all of it. So my next reach
out to that point is to Rock bite him with
what if? What if? Hear me out on this? And

(14:54):
he just listened, and every now and then through the
conversation he would go I wasn't sure if he was
giving me the just get to the end so I
can tell you how much I hate this or right.
And I got to the end and he was like, wow, man,
I gotta tell you. I think that's genius, Like, let's
you know, and he immediately started riffing thoughts and ideas. Right.

(15:18):
So we spent probably like another thirty minutes on the
phone together talking about this, and the more we talked
about it, the more we were both getting excited about
it and like into it.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
All Right, there's more to it. The thing is that
Triple H in this corporate structure, he can't be the
one that says we're gonna do this, We're going to
do that. This is all by committee as well. Nick
con kind of has to give a sign off the Rock,
being a chairman of the being a chairman on the

(15:51):
board of directors has to be involved, and of course
it's their storyline. So Rock is gonna assume some creative
control of his own, like you won't think he's gonna
have that.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Of course he is.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And the John Cena, those are probably the major players.
They have to make sure that they sign off on
this idea. And it could have been the John Cena
probably brought up this idea, Triple H is going to
go with it, and then Rock starts throwing ideas into it.
And I mean, how many of these ideas that Rock
might have had will Triple H veto or even say

(16:25):
no to? Because I don't think the Rock Henny had
any kind of direction from anyone else. I think he
went out there at Elimination Chamber and he was on
his own. I'm going to figure this out, brother, and
that's it. And he went on and of course he
had to call Travis Scott to be a part of this.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
My next conversation is with Travis Scott. I make sure
Travis is comfortable with the creative He loves it and says,
let's do this.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Why did Travis Scott hen't need to be anything important
of this, Like why is he integraled to this? He
shut up once and then at one other time at WrestleMania.
That's it. There's not much he's doing over here. Has
he been getting paid for this? There's no on air
character for him, there's nothing leading up to anything. He's

(17:19):
just showing up at a couple of paper views and
then he gets to be in there for a second.
That's it. And he took one serious shot on Cody Rose,
which she shouldn't have done. But you know, and here's
the rest of.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
This somewhere there. Cody hits me back. I get with
Cody when I hit him with it, He's like like,
holy shit, I didn't think that's what you're gonna say.
Blah blah blah. Wow, that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Sounds like in the company corporate line, because I mean,
what is Cody gonna say? I mean, he's in this,
he knows he's gonna drop the belt, and you know
they were gonna make cheges already with all this here
where Cody's it's not gonna probably hold on that belt
very much longer. So it's like, Okay, what do we
do to get the belt off of Cody? What's the
plan with him and John Cena. He's probably just gonna

(18:09):
go along to get along.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Then I talked to John, John's best with like He's like,
tell before you say it, Like, just know if this
is what you believe in, I'm in. I said, John, Okay,
let's take the bullshit at off. Now. This is not
that a creative talking to you, and you know you
the performer. I said, I am asking John Cena, the

(18:33):
human being. Paul Vick is talking to you. Give me
your gut. This impacts John Seena, the real life human being,
and it impacts his movies, and it impacts his pr schedule,
and I impacts everything we.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
All just sounds like, I mean, he already talked about
this before, and I think John Cena just probably had
to hear the story from Triple H and say, Okay,
this is what we came up with, John, Are you
good with us doing the heel turned doing it like this?
And that's what it was. And I think Johnson just
wanted to do it because it was a chance to
go and refresh the character. Do what Ho Cogan did it,

(19:08):
bash it the beat ninety six something.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Honest with each other. I said, give me your gut.
You like it or you don't, and he was like,
I like it a lot actually, And when I hung
up the phone with him, within a minute and a half,
I've gotten like three different texts from him of thoughts ideas,
and so I'm like, he's he's engaged.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
So once we get to that point now, and who
knows what time that John Cena had out here, by
the way, the limited time that they all have, Rock
is like, hey, he's doing ever So he got thirty
minutes to go and talk to him because the Rock
is getting in his head and probably kind of directing Paul,
this is what I'm going to do. This is how
it's going to go. But again, Rock asserting authority, and
if anybody's probably asserting authority at all of this group

(19:50):
is the Rock. So the reason why the storyline went
like it did with Johnson is Hilton, which is why
they're going to probably have the wreck con it this
weekend where John Cena and Cody ros are going to
probably do a double heel turn to correct the record.
It's because the Rock was the one that was to
control of that storyline, and the Rock probably asserted his

(20:12):
authority has creative control and then triple A just having
to be the one that say, well, as head of creative,
I got to make everybody else buy in on it,
including the con and I got to talk to Travis
Scott tell you what embarrassing?

Speaker 3 (20:29):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Supposed to run a company with that kind of committee
right there? Like there's nobody here. The Rock might not
have been the best judgment of character about how to
handle this story because he's got to look a certain
way in the storyline. And remember, he doesn't want to
get over the involved. He's like, I just got to
come and hear his final boss do the whole thing.
I'll come up with this quick idea, but he's not

(20:51):
gonna get involved with the rest of it, which is
really clear the Rock. You know, maybe Triple A is
trying to persuade back, Hey, Rock, you need to be
a little bit more into this whole story that you're
talking about, and he's probably fighting back, pushing back and
saying no, I don't no, I no, I got other
things to do, man, I got ufl to do. I
got movies to go and promote. No, no, I don't have this.
I don't have time. I'm shooting something. So that's the

(21:13):
whole part That's probably how it worked out, All about
the pop all about this environment right now of having
things that happen that will create a reaction, nothing to
do with the matches and what happens in the matches.

(21:33):
They're just matches. It's just sporting event. It's a sport.
They're treating wrestling like a sport. But it doesn't make
any sense when you don't have when you have predetermined finishes,
still you're not worrying about win loss records. It doesn't matter.
And there's so many matches that don't have titles that
don't even make a difference either. You just haven't matches

(21:54):
to have matches, and people just have a grudge and
all that's it. It's like all to a fighter who cares.
Brian Alvez Dave Meltzer talking about this on restic Observer
Radio about the fact that all they're doing right now
is just matches, and all the matters are big moves.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
I mean, the reality of the situation is just I
don't think that they want the White six in long
matches by themselves.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
No, clearly they did. They had they had eleven minutes
of TV time left and of that eleven minutes, three
was a commercial and probably another three was a big
brawl afterwards. Yeah, so they let him wrestle for five
minutes and that was it.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
By the way, very telling that they at six. If
they're going to defend their tag team titles, they're doing
it in a six man it's a six team cables,
letters and chairs match, because then the YA six can
be covered, like they have them out there and attack
team and have them be noticed. Yeah, you're gonna have
to cover up for the greenness or for the lack

(22:57):
of you know, real ability going to do anything significant
in the matches that are gonna be really special, Like
it's just the gimmick. And the biggest problem is this
company right now under the current leadership, you know, Trible
H doesn't know what to do with the WYA six
because while we've enjoyed some of the promos and some

(23:18):
of the vignettes, so we see them, which you're not
under the control of Triple H. He's like, go do
these So that makes some help to make they six
look interesting, but put them in ring. Nothing there is
nothing extra or special for compelling about they six once
they come out besides the entrance. Once they're in the ring,

(23:40):
they're just you know, wrestler a wrestler, b like in
a video game. That's it generic basic.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
Back to Brian Alverrez, we had the match was six
and then the Jade Cargill match. I mean when that
match they started the match, they went to a break
and they went right to the finish when they came back.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
Yeah, and every match on the show, the heat was
during the break, the entire heat. It would be big
moves at the beginning. As soon as someone got heat,
they'd go to commercial. As soon as they came back,
there'd be more big moves. And it's it's literally exactly
why fans don't get into the matches until the big moves,
because you structure your TV to tell them nothing matters

(24:20):
except big moves. Because when we're not doing big moves,
we're gonna go to a commercial and then we're gonna
come back for more big moves.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Write but that's also because they're doing a house show
on television. They are presenting a house show on television,
and the house show matches are gonna be big moves
at the beginning. Hey, you know what, gotta get up,
go get some concessions, gotta go take a piss yeah,
and it'll go get a beer. Yeah, that's what you're
doing because in the middle of those matches, some of
those really don't matter because you're wait for the matches

(24:49):
that are later. You're waiting for the main event. If
you have these house shows, maybe cut a catch a
promo here in there, but that's it. Nothing much else.
You can kind of tell all this. Also, there's a
part that was brought in the Triple H said on
the Pat McAfee show, and this is what prior to

(25:12):
WrestleMania and how the setup for WrestleMania was. Let me
go and play this clip real quick.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
It's a different game.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
It's a different world if they're not here to be
all in on this. Like when I see people that
come out of you know, trying to make it and
then they picked the job where they go, well, they
work less, the schedules lighter. I like, all right, then
I'm glad I didn't get you, because if you're not
in it for the grind at that at that point

(25:39):
early in your career, you have no business being here.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, but remember, I mean ww right now, they doesn't
even have worked that hard anymore because all the house
shows are gone because the only house shows, they're only
doing it in front of the cameras. That's it except
for maybe the pay per views. Now all the other
thing I got to make mention of is that there's

(26:03):
at the same time, there's a lack of creative Of course,
there's always the same problem they've always had in this
company with continuity. Okay, because remember what was it? It
was two weeks ago that Ceampunk was talking about I'm
not sure if I'm the cm punk, the same Sampunk
as before. Remember the setup to the match two weeks before,

(26:24):
only got two weeks it set up for this match.
I don't know if I'm gonna be ready, but I'm
gonna give you the best seem punk possible. And then
cempunk It confronts Gunther and says this.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Drink and I don't smoke, and I don't do drugs,
but I understand addiction. Because this, this, this place wrestling
is my addiction. I need to be world heavyweight Champion
so I can raise that strap above my head as

(26:54):
that thank you to the millions of people who have
chanted my name.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
For over ten years. Drink and I.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Don't smoke, and he also said he's the best of
the world. He's kind of like putting himself up there
in a spot and like, oh, it's like it's the
same old Sumpunk. Really, I'll tell you what, here's more
to it.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'll give it to you. You are correct.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
I don't deserve to call myself the best in the world.
I earned the right to call myself the best in.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
The world, and I'd earned the right to call myself
from the best in the world and be arrogant about it.

Speaker 9 (27:36):
But you are out here as world heavyweight champion being
as arrogant as me.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
But you can't back it up.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
I have left a trail of bodies, a hall of famers,
legends and superstars that you've only dreamed to be in
the ring with. And when you compare your career as
great as it's been so far, with my career, this
isn't apples to.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Apples, you know what, Punk, I have enough of debts.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Shot like, do I need to go back and play
what he said before? Do we need to go back
two weeks ago and play what seeing Punk said before this?
Let me just go back to that, just to make
sure I'm hearing them. Punk saying something completely different to
me what he was saying. A couple of weeks.

Speaker 10 (28:24):
Ago when I came back, I had a couple of
goals main event WrestleMania, become WWE Heavyweight Champion.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
One of those things I've done. The other one I've
been working on.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
It's a little hard around here.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
Sometimes you get sidetracked, sometimes people take things personally. But
all the distractions are now on the back burner and
I can now focus on that goal of being world champion.
Last week, I want to call it match made me
number one content to Gunther's World Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Now all nicknames aside.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
Gunther is one of the best wrestlers in the world.
I'm looking very, very forward to lacing them up and
locking up with Gunther. And I can't promise a win,
ladies and gentlemen, but with you all cheering me like

(29:30):
you do and hand to the screen anybody's sitting at
home watching on Netflix. If you're gonna be there live
in New Jersey for SummerSlam, I can promise you that
I will leave it all in the ring.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I will not quit. I will give you everything I have.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, it sounds completely different, sound like you almost basically
did the complete opposie of what he was seeing this
promo against Gunther. So the inconsistency's off right, a little
bit awful against inconsistence. Did you also notice this week
on Raw that we have another El Grande Americano. So

(30:18):
cad Gables still hurt Love the Kaiser was out there
playing the role. Now Pete Dunn is donning the Elgrande
Americano mask. I thought that was very interesting. But as
I said, look at what we're doing here in terms
of the booking of seam Punk. Okay, so he gets
to this this is the thing too, Okay, going back

(30:41):
to Unreal, seeing Punk now is getting a chance to
go after the World eweight title against Gunther, which was
a plan they had talked about because on the Unreal
Show in the writer's Room they had talked about possibly
seeing CM Punk when the rule rumble there for he
could go after Jump there for the World every Wey title.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
The rumble matches, Sure, So who do you see why
in the world?

Speaker 11 (31:15):
I think the two half ends are seen in bug
I'd say Seena because this is his final years. I
feel like you should play the hits Tilan. I think
it's more of like a classic moment in time. Hey,
I remember John Steena's last year he won the Royal Rumble.
You know, like that feels like Cena to me.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You're telling me you have John Cena for one more year,
dealing with what some twenty five odd dates whatever and
going into the Royal Rumble. You don't have a plan
for him.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I didn't say necessarily when this was being scheduled, but
I'm guessing this is like early January that they're looking
at this right now, and John Steen is already back,
and you're telling me you didn't have a plan for
what to do with John Cena. Is it that hard?
They didn't have no idea about what to do with
them and what they're gonna do with his retirement tour,

(32:10):
no plan And right there all these guys seeing Punk
should win. You could have just had that match if
you wanted to. Okay, see him Punk wins the room.
Well he never won it before, right, He got injured
the last time, So what a fitting tribute for him
to go and win this time around. Finally hit that
notch on his belt.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Interesting? More of this Writer's Room again, of the less
than ten minutes that we even got on this series.

Speaker 12 (32:39):
Whereas I feel a punk could be chap Let's just
back up off and the Mania and the main events
is to say, right now, Cody Cena.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Pup, I get going through.

Speaker 13 (32:52):
If I get the master work, I's still got the
fusion pot chain.

Speaker 11 (32:56):
One of those thoughts I just can't currently with the
broke a kids figure out if the pieces left down, I.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Mean, I'm okay. So going back to that, I mean,
if you're looking at who you had that you could
put into a set of I think Sepoint would have
been would have been the right move. And then what
they did with Johnson and Elimination Chamber was the right
move as well. I think what they did Elimination Chamber
was very well done. Remember what they did Elimination Chamber

(33:24):
with Johnson a winning to get a title match and
the heel turn after that, Yeah, very well done. I
like that. That was good. You're right, Elimination Chamber. We
saw the heel turn and then a rock doing the
whole soul you know one does it get your soul
on the raw before? So leading up to that that
hell turned again that night, the start of the He'll

(33:47):
Turn was well played out well. Keep saying that I
think everything they did with that was the right move.
You tell me you can't figure out what to do
with the Royal Rumble just and no idea. And by
the way, no thought about any of the young stars,
no Brown breaking the thought. No, you're just not think
about anybody else. But they were thinking jay Us okay,

(34:12):
which you know, outside favorite would have been a shock
and he was. And of course j J was already
getting over with his entrance and that's fine. Didn't have
a problem with that either, but they also didn't book
him well leading out to after that when he gets
the game, gotter going through the World Heavway title at WrestleMania,
until very late in the skin the whole skin of

(34:33):
the game when they put Jimmy usso get him involved,
where they finally got goothing to get some heat. Anyway,
back to this this Royal Rumble thought process here and
thinking about Jay.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Jay didn't.

Speaker 14 (34:51):
I think in the case Jay Us, when somebody catches fire,
they just catch fire. And sometimes you have to all,
you know, alternate all your plans. Who do we have
on our roster that's hot, that hopefully is maybe new
and fresh, and all of a sudden, jay uso is

(35:12):
checking all those boxes, and then you have to start,
you know, worrying and wondering.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Is that individual up to the task. He wasn't necessarily
up to being in that task the way they booked them. Okay,
they did no favors with Jusa, the way they set
them up. Where Rakishi was right, Remember ic title, he
gets it, loses it very shortly worthavweight title, wins, it
loses it very shortly after on television, by the way,

(35:41):
not even a pay per view.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
So I think he.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Decided to go ahead and just for the sake that
he was going to get a big pop if he
won the Royal Rumble and get a big pop when
he won the World heavyweight title WrestleMania. That's all it was.
But they really didn't care anymore about what Jaus was doing,
because what does he do right now? Not much. He's
still somewhere leanering around that main event picture. You know,
he gets to the gauntlet matches and things like that,
but what else has he done? You know, he's just

(36:08):
his the entrance right now. He's not cutting any big
promos like he was before. I mean, and even if
it was the whole pacing, the kind of like trying
to figure out what to say and like really get
in some real heat because remember that promo that he
did against Gunther, and like this is the week after
Jimmy Usso got bloodied and pummeled by Gunther. Only for

(36:29):
the fact that Jimmy that Jay Usso comes back out
and he's just pacing around. He's not like super bitchuolic
brothing should be wanting to go ahead and put his
hands on Gunther and lay him out. But he's not
the Roller Rumble not having any plan of what that
would be. That's crazy to me. And you have the

(36:57):
thought process. Yeah, Jay Jusso should be in the final four,
were that match and you could have it where he won.
But the plan they had for him was no plan.
All they cared about was, oh, he'll get a big
response if we do this here, We'll get a big
response because it's here. You gave the fans what they want. Okay,
remember when we had that whole deal with Daniel Brian

(37:19):
ten years ago, more than that, and he won the
world when he won the w Championship, right and look
you waited on him. Yeah, roll Rumble. You know he
should have won the Roe Rumble that year in Philadelphia
and he didn't. Roman Rains did and all that right,
but when then you Brian did win that belt, man

(37:39):
it a lot. This is one of those things where
I expect that where Vince McMahon would just like, no,
not yet, hold off. And there's the thing that happens.
It's like, you know, you don't give that crowd, well
do you want you want to see the chase? You
want to feel the chase. There was no real chase here.
It's like and if you did, it's like it was
like kind of predictable. You knew it was going to happen.

(38:02):
So this thought process of the Royal Rumble that's concerning
to me because they really are not worrying about anything.
They're just like, oh no, we could have done this.
The original car for the Unreal series revealed. The original
car for resuming Your forty one was supposed to be
Cody and John Cena. They we're gonna give to that

(38:23):
match somewhere somehow, okay, which could have just had that
match with both faces. It could have been fine. Deeth
rowns Rumen Rains. I would have absolutely loved that match.
They still haven't given us that match. They should have
absolutely done that, Like for the fact that seth Rowans
Room and Rains and they put them in a triple threat. Stupid.
So you didn't get Seeing Punk into WrestleMania into a

(38:44):
world title match. If Gun through Seeing Punk would happen
for the world title and you leave Rum and Rains
off on a feature feud against seth Rowns in a
storyline from the Survivor series that you could actually tell
with a long history, Why don't you do that? That's
a mistake. We should have had the two brothers of

(39:04):
the Shield finally going to confront themselves once again. That's
a storytelling. That's a story worth telling. Re Rippley, Bianca
Balair going out each other once again for the women's
world title. Love it. Ni Jackson dated Jake Cargill actually
would have liked that too. That sounded good. That sounded
pretty good. Brandy Or and Kevin Owens. Yeah, I'm following

(39:26):
them too, because they were setting things up for that
Judgment da Ya at six. It would have been interesting.
I just don't know where Judgment Day would have been
like set up to get that there, Beggi Linch and
Charlottevisus Oscar and Io. You know, Sky. I don't know
about much about that, aj Styles Logan, Paul, we got

(39:47):
that match, Okay, Bad Bunny Dominant Stereo. Bad Bunny and
Dominic would have been fun. I'm I wouldn't the mind that,
and obviously Bad Bunny did pretty good out there. That
would have been a very good difference of what was
going on here Broun Breaker and Drew McIntyre and Stone
Cold a subspecial guests referee. I don't know how you
get Stone Cold in there for and how that would work.

(40:07):
But okay, but Braun and Drew, you know that's the
whole thing with Damian Price. Yeah, I guess. I mean
for Broun Breaker to come and continue to kind of
build him up into that picture, get him up against
a major main events that's had, you know, multiple world titles. Yeah,
that's not a bad idea. Remister versus Chad Gable as
what as Elgon Americano. Yeah, that's fine. I would have

(40:31):
been found with that, and Travis Scott would have been
at remisterios Wing at ringside. Then j U sil versus
Demian Price versus Sammy'savers, The Shamous versus Ludwig Kaiser versus
Bronson Reid ladder match with the ICY title. That's something
I don't know like that at all. It would have
had ladder matches for both the ICY and US titles,

(40:51):
and you would have had Nakamura, l Ae Knight, Dantons, Escobar,
Jimmy usso On, Roddie and Solas Coo and Camarla Hayes
in the US title ladder match. Those latter matters sound stupid,
but it would have been a way to put them
on on the show. I mean, I don't know, you
could done something else, and I like those ideas, but
there's a handful of those matches that would have been

(41:12):
a lot better. Death and Roman would have been great
going through. Seeing Punk would have been great. Ria Bianca
once again, I would have preferred that too. Nya and
Jade would have been interesting to me. But yeah, they
you know, everything else was like, eh, not too much
of it. But anyways, that was the plans that they had.

(41:35):
And then when they talked about seeing Punk to win
the main event against Roman, Raine seth Throngs on night one,
and they had other thought process of what they would
do on where would Roman Raines go after all this
is done, and where Punk would also be all this,
but here's what happens. Here's if we get with that

(41:57):
storyline of a match that didn't matter at all except
for the fact that Paul was this caveat right, He's
the prize of that match, that trible threat. Here's what
they said in the writer's.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Room, what do you think is the best finished the person?

Speaker 11 (42:11):
Just to your fini.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Punk over? Do you Punk over? Roman raids and Seth wrongs?
That's what he said. Michael p.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
S has.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
All right, go ahead.

Speaker 13 (42:25):
I think where we left off was sort of I'm
still in the Roman punks that stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
I'm of the opinion that Punk should go over that WrestleMania.
I agree. Is Hayman going to fuck Punk over? Like
he is in his corner, but he's still trying to
do this shit for Roman. Punk should go over. And
not only should Punk go over, but Hayman turns on him.
Doesn't work. Punk overcomes, Paul, beats either Roman or Seth

(42:54):
whatever he's got to do right, Punk survives, and not
only survives, but thrive. There's always logical roads to go
down to get the story where you wanted to go,
and sometimes the logical road becomes predictable, it becomes predictable.

(43:14):
You need to pivot not seeing that. No, I see
all of it. I just hate to finish it Mania,
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Paul going over is great, but Payman decides to go
with Seth and ends up that that way, it feels
much more shocking of this whole time.

Speaker 11 (43:30):
Seth manipulated this whole deal with that.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Seth.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But we'll have nothing. And by the way, we still
don't have anything in that storyline about really how Seth
Wrongs and Paul Hayman got together except for that little
bit of like, I'm going to do you a favor,
that's all we had to remember, it was a stupid favor,
That's all we had. That meant nothing that we heard
nothing about it whatsoever, even if they could have given

(43:56):
us something more to that. Okay, fine, I understand, and
the wrons alignment with Paul Haymon, but that whole storyline
has not fruited anything whatsoever. As I said, Brown Breaker
is stuck now in this group like dominic Steria is
stuck with Judgment Day he is, they both are, and

(44:21):
Seth Wrongs I don't know what he needs Paul Haymond for.
I mean, now, yeah, Seth Wrongs has the money to
make Bree's case. Okay, but I mean, yeah, whatever, and
then Bruce Pritchrick jumping up there and saying, oh, that
sounds a good idea. There's no continuity as to why,
Oh just okay, we're just gonna do shock value for

(44:42):
shock value. No, no, you have no payoff. You build
this up for a nothing. It's like, okay, we're just
gonna do it just for the shock value. Let's not
make it make any sense. That's the part I have
a problem with. And they keep doing. It's over and over,
and it's clearing this unreal show. And the couple of

(45:03):
little segments a little bit of nuggets we got in
the whole show. I don't care about the backstage stuff,
seeing a Biss back there on common whether they're with
the headset or you know, seeing Bobby Rudbeck that I
don't care about any of that. I'm not worried about.
Oh here's Reuby whatever and Racody with with Brandy and
the kid. That's fine, Okay, let reality shows stuff. That's

(45:27):
the whole humanizing Oh look, these people are just you know,
that's still stop for me. That's for like the rest
of the fans. They're trying to go and draw from
Netflix or wherever else to watch w in the first place,
Like ninety percent of what they were showing on this
show wasn't even something I'm gonna care about because it's
not that part I really care. Show me the writer's room,
the creative that's what I want to see. And this

(45:49):
is what we got whiteboards all around. And you know,
some of the people in this booking community this year,
I don't bet Kevin Sulvan and Bob Moultfrow. You know,
Kevin Sulvan would actually book and there would be some
direction to it. You have Vince Russo at least I
would know there would be like some continuity, did a storyline,
at least we would know a couple of things were

(46:09):
going on in between. But anyways, No, what did the
Unreal series want to carry to talk about? Oh, the
behind the scenes stuff while they're you know, doing the show,
Because the creative part, the real storytelling part, they want
to do on the fly at the shows. It's not

(46:31):
in the writer's room. They're going to just let the
agents do their thing and that's it. And oh, they'll
figure out how to go and get the storylines going.
You're leaving everything up to the agents. For whatever reason,
that's what they want to do. So here's what they
have from Bruce Pritchard and Michael Hayes and all with
the raw match that was the main event match with

(46:52):
Punk and seth Ron's how old are we right now?

Speaker 15 (46:56):
Billy?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
They're caring about how much time they're over. This is
not USA Networks Netflix? Why are we caring about this part?
Like what is there? I mean, is nobody gonna get
charged for like satellite time because they had to go
a little bit longer? Really, Oh man, tell you what.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Once guys are in the ring, there's not a lot
you can do.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
And I saw this looking for the count of slip
cut acts with Pox tennessee bots them all.

Speaker 15 (47:36):
Then we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
We gotta go from producers to writers to talent. Everybody
has to be able to edit on the spot.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
If I was gonna cut it, you're telling me we
couldn't have like figured that out before, Like, I mean,
what's the referee doing out there? These guys are just
going on as they want. There's no set schedule. Netflix
only hears about the commercials are running. They have a
couple of spot breaks in the two and a half
hours or whatever they run. And I said, there's no
set time, there's no overrun or something like that. They

(48:09):
can just do whatever they have, you know, somewhat of
a certain allotment of time they're gonna do. I guess
they're probably not going to go over three hours, but
like there's no setup of that. And oh, if I
remember correctly, when they talked about doing the Netflix when
a wraw set up, the whole idea was they don't
want to have where like, Okay, the match ends of

(48:29):
a certain hour, there's no overrun anymore. So like we're
gonna have a way to have themand event be important
because you're not gonna know what's gonna happen in the end.
You don't know when it's going to end. That's the
point here. There's an example of this right here, these
guys making up bullshit about oh, we're running out of
time anything.

Speaker 15 (48:47):
I would cut the anacon of ice outs just throw
that out to fill. I'm sorry, Bruce, Bruce, I'm pushing him, Bruce,
I'm pushing him.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Seth Rollins looking for a neck breaker, pump counter.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
With a kick on the side of.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
The head shut that up so quick.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Running high in the off, Rollins caught him, intercepted him
that time.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
When you get a buckle bomb here, then cut it out. Yes,
Bruce Breaden home, I'm home.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So this is the fittest right here.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Two men who defined so much here in dump Leave
Dumpy Way over the past twenty years, MAT's years.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
In the making has come down to this.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Two men, both five time world champions, physically exhausted.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Rowlins able to scale to the top rope.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
He's got Puck where he wants him, super Fox roll
through by Rowlins, look for the fucking arrout Puck.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
DAYJS got a fleg.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
And I think he was out.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Just how happened to fall right back on his sand
pump Soner talk, fight up, talk, tell thembout hey done
get going to slip.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
This is the kind of like, you know, intense type
of stuff they wanted to show on this Unreal thing
was the profiles, which and that's fine, but it has
nothing to do with storylines at all. So the wrestling
fans don't worry about that part. You're trying to diract
a new audience with it. Okay, So that's what unreal was.

(50:44):
If you wanted to know what unreal was. That's what
the five episodes were, saved your five hours. Okay, now
let's talk about what they actually did. If they're doing
anything the storyline wise, it's what they do outside the ring,
which you're produced by other people, not the agents. Right,
Let's go through some of the things they did this
week to try to build things up. Let's go in

(51:05):
order of maybe what was possibly better than other things.
Let's at least go with Sammy's a and Carrion Cross
set up their match. Now, the delivery of carryon across
I don't have a problem with. But remember when we
had these guys face each other before. Just a quick reminder,

(51:29):
it wasn't it at Saudi Arabia? Right, they did the
whole idea that Carrion Cross wants to have Sammy admit
that he was wrong. That's the thing. This is like
the bracelet that Seaham Punk and drum mccutar thought over,
like the favor that seth Wrong's Paul Haymon Roman Reigns.

(51:50):
All that was set up over this is that Sammy
was wrong. Here's what they have. So you know they're
back at each other. Fine, but look what we're talking
about care you a cross setting up.

Speaker 13 (52:11):
So I had this idea when I was coming in
here to just blast you across your stomach with a
steel rod again. And then I was thinking, you're not
going to make it the Summer Slam. And that doesn't
work for me because everybody I've been dealing with here
in WWE, eventually I get them to show their true colors,
except you, which is really starting to piss me off.

(52:35):
So here's what's going to happen. After I beat you
at SummerSlam. You are going to say the words cross
told the truth, and then I'll go away and you
can go on and become world champion, because, believe me, Sammy,
you are no different than anybody else, and you are certainly.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
No better than me.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
You're so smart. Huh.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
You think you've got me figured out. You think you've
got everybody.

Speaker 16 (53:08):
You think you're some kind of puppet master revealing everybody's
INNERSI what is it exactly that you think?

Speaker 5 (53:13):
What do you want?

Speaker 14 (53:14):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 16 (53:17):
You beat me at SummerSlam, I'll say whatever it is
you want to say. Okay, you want me to say,
I'll say whatever it is you want me to say.
But here's what I want you to think about for now.
Maybe you're wrong, huh about everything. Maybe you're wrong about me,
you're wrong about everybody else. Maybe you're wrong about yourself.
And when I beat you at SummerSlam, because make no mistake,

(53:39):
I am going to beat you at SummerSlam. And when
I do, I want you to look me in the eyes,
and you're going to look at me and you're going
to say you were wrong.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
This is all this match is centered around. One of
these two were wrong about the others and just a judgment.
That's all this is. And this is a Summer Slam match.
Oh man, Okay, the other clip I had to hold.

(54:16):
I wanted to wait a little bit on this because
this one's like to set this one up. This is ridiculous,
But okay, lra val carr O. By the way, you
leave her with an open mic to set up her
match with Becky Lynch, And this is what she decided
to go in and say. Yeah, she's got her big
blue clogs, her shoes to match her skirt, and she

(54:40):
comes out and she's out there. She looks small in
the ring, so small, and this is what she decides
to go with for a couple of minutes to set
up the last time they're confronting each other before they
have By the way, let's make sure let's make sure

(55:01):
that we have this this this match set up correctly. Okay,
this is what she's saying before she has a last chance,
no count out, notice qualification match for the Icy title.

(55:21):
This is what we have set up for lur ver
career to set up for this big It sounds like
a big extreme match, right, big huge physicality, all this
notice qualification, no count out, last chance match, big time.

(55:41):
Here's lure Vakaria.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
In one week, I'll be sounding here.

Speaker 17 (55:47):
As your first ever two time women's and your continental champion.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
You gotta go pipe up the sound on that. By
the way, that doesn't matter. Okay, so they I've only
had a couple of people been Icy champion. Doesn't really
matter moving along.

Speaker 17 (56:07):
Or or I will have failed and I will never
again be able to challenge for the title as long
as Becky is champion. Actually, if that happens, there's a
good chance I won't be standing at all because Becky

(56:27):
is going to have to beat me into the ground
if she wants to walk out of Stormer slam with
that title. Look, I already know that Becky doesn't like
to play by the rules.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
In fact, that's the only.

Speaker 17 (56:45):
Reason that she was able to beat me for the
championship in the first place.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
So why is that fine, Let's try it her way.

Speaker 17 (56:58):
Can't break the rules if there were no rules, be broken, right,
So many guys, you might think that I'm playing right
into her hands.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
But the thing you need to understand is I've.

Speaker 17 (57:12):
Seen everything that Becky Lynch has ever done. I know
exactly what she's capable of in this type of matchup.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
But she does she's getting whatdded. And by the way,
I'm sure that juvenile delusional fandom in that crowd, they're
probably saying, hey, shut up, like, don't bury Larry of
vic Carrie, you don't don't want her, don't treat her
like the jobber, don't do that to her. We're simping
over her all right.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Doesn't know what I'm capable of.

Speaker 17 (57:46):
In fact, I'm not even sure if I know what
I'm capable of. All I know is I am prepared
to go to a place.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
That I have never gone before a due We've heard
that before a billion times. By the way, when Becky
Lynch is getting hit with a Kendos stick. It's like, okay,
Leer Vicuri, watch when my hands go up, arms go
up hit me on the side. Oh man, I mean

(58:21):
it's funny.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
She also talked about her cloggers whatever that the Becky
stompers that really got over come on.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Ooh you know what.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
And by the way, going back to unreal and then
we're gonna go into the summer staming predictions. We'll do
that right now, coming up to the end. But I
want to just take a couple of things that were
being brought up here by some of the folks in
the media. Decide to go and review this particular Netflix series,
So we'll go first with Awful announcing to talk about this.
That Ben axl Rod, who's there, resident per Ruski fan.

(58:58):
You know, they wanted to go on and yeah, the
Formula one series was Drive to Survive. So Netflix doing
this show, they said, okay, let's go into this. Says
that during episode three of the five of the episode series,
halfway through, he says, I didn't like it. I wasn't
enjoying it. Fine, I was enjoying it find enough, but
more so because this was the series non attendant for me,

(59:21):
and that's exactly what I said too. Now, yes, Drive
to Survive single Handling spawned the new generation of Formula
one fanatics, but yes, don't we wants to go and
do the same thing. Fine, But while the first three
episodes will likely seem redundant for most PROG wresting fans,
they're filled with storylines that were introduced stars we already know,

(59:43):
explaining industry we're already familiar with. So yes, you're seeing
the be like it's never been allowed to be shown before.
But there are multiple scenes, not enough, I argue, to
take place in the writer's room, as well as footage
wrestlers are directing as colleagues and even friends immuniately before
or after matches with each other. So yeah, k fab
is broken whatever, I'm not even getting to that part.

(01:00:07):
And that's what he said, Like, yeah, basically when I
said the same thing about this as well. Esquire gives
comments here and says that Unreal is pissed off wrestling periods,
but it's exact what the sport needs. This is what
I want from Esque war to talk about this. They're
talking about k FABE, Like, what does it mean to

(01:00:28):
predict the business in twenty twenty five. Unreal marksist historic
demolition on a scale many fans every thought possible, at
least in her previous management. Wrestling matches are predetermined, winners
are figured out, and that the show stands in the
intersection of these sacrilegious and the sublime. With the industry's
old guard reacting exactly as you'd expect to. Cornett says

(01:00:52):
that Unreal is the proof of the sacred cows of wrestling.
Our carcass is riding in the sun. It's come to this, says.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I don't want to see these fucking writers or their room.
I don't want anybody else to see it either, because
it's fucking embarrassing. The large and life stars Derie will
be rented into training chimpanzees who do what they're told
by Nevich writers. So people were getting caught up in
the whole k Fave stuff, which is stupid. Doesn't matter
about that part. And then we hear about the director

(01:01:28):
that produced the series. It wasn't even a wrestling fan
when he decided to go and do this, So this
is not like Dark Side of the Ring here, Okay,
didn't even know what.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
K FAPE was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Okay, if you're not a wrestling fan, yeah, you wouldn't
know the what it is. Chris Weaver is his name.
But the thing was that Chris was able to go
ahead and give the kind of programming that Netflix wanted.
When asked by Hollywood reporter, was the genesis of the

(01:02:03):
show sort of a Netflix demand as a companion program?
They raw? Was this sort of this unprecedented access of
caveat to that five billion dollar deal? He says, well,
you know, we did Quarterback a Receiver, another season of
Quarterback with Netflix. We already have an understanding of what
their sort of expectations and they're what they expect in
a fall series like this because of history. Oh I

(01:02:23):
remember we watched fool Swinging from the one Drive to
Survive and wanted to see how it was approached. What
the commonalities are. We learn more about these shows and
where we are with W and REO. But this is
a different beast, so there were similarities, there were differences,
but we had an understanding what Netflix want. When asked,
do you feel like a WT talent or executives ranted

(01:02:46):
up for your benefit or did you get the sense
of their behavior was exactly what it have been at
your camera's not been there, he says, quote, I mean
generally the latter. You can never know how really you
know anybody is not just in wrestling, but anyone when
you put a camera in front of them, right, And
what I would have said was your entire thing could
have been fake so to speak, or have been stage
your k faved. How do you want to frame it?
But if it is, then this is an e sectionable job,

(01:03:07):
exceptional job. I can live with it, so to speak. Okay,
but they didn't say that. You know, I felt like
he had a lot of access. There was at anybody
he couldn't talk to and who got to choose to
talk to. He was fine with that. Okay, That's what
we got.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I'm still trying to figure out for Summer Slam this weekend,
which I will do post shows, probably both nights. I'm
trying to figure out do I want to go ahead
and go watch in the theater because there's the talk
about the fact that I can go watch in the
theater if I want to, I can pluck down twenty
five bucks to go watch wrestlingting as we Summer Slam
over at the Regal right across the street from me.

(01:03:47):
I'm thinking about it. If I do, it might go Sunday.
That's what I'm thinking. I'm gonna go do. Probably not Saturday,
but I might go Sunday, depends on how I feel
and if I do. Okay, I just want to get
a little taste of what the audience is gonna be.
Like I mean, I'm thinking about it. I mean right now,
I having to check on my set up to see
if it's that busy at the Regal right now or Sunday.

(01:04:10):
But I can go and check that out real quick
and see if it's worth a time. So I'm looking
at my theater right now. Actually, they got quite a
few people that are showing up. They might have a
full house for this and this particular theater. I want
to say they got a good seventy five seats in there.
It looks like it's about a little more than half

(01:04:33):
of the seats are full right now, so that would
be kind of no. Actually, I'm sorry, I'm looking right now.
It's actually the other way around. It's like more like
forty percent full. But if I wanted to go and
find seats, I can find pretty good seats right now
in the theater where I will normally sit. So if
I want to do that, I can, And like I said,

(01:04:53):
twenty five bucks if I decided to go and do this,
so just for that, I might consider it. I mean,
I do like watching some of the theater, so like
that's not a bad idea. I might just go and
do Sunday after all. That's what I'm thinking about. But anyway, well,
we have set up for night one Tivity's Stratton and
Jake Cargo for the women's title. I'll take Tivity Stratton

(01:05:15):
to win. I just don't even know how long that
match is going to be and where they going to
set it up. Randy Orton and Jelly Roll versus Dream
Guitar Logan Paul. I will take Randy Orton and Jelly Roll.
That's like the obvious thing seeing punk will be gun
Through for the wool heavyweight title. I can just see
where gun Through gets dropped on here something like that,
and they could have it where you know, we'll see

(01:05:38):
a punk right here. You go right to Seth Rongs
and what a great way to going to rekindle that
feud or you have Seth Wrongs come out the injury
that he had was fake and then all of a sudden,
Oh look here comes Seth Wrongs with a briefcase with
Paul Hayman and his crew, and he takes the build

(01:06:00):
off of both of them. He could cash in that night.
I could absolutely see Seth Brawn surprising as SummerSlam and
winning and cashing in on the World Everyby title that night,
and that could be the main event. And I could
definitely see that happening. I expect, man, I don't know,
but you know what I'll I will say it's judgment

(01:06:20):
Data will beat Charlotte Flair and alexil Bliss. That's where
I definitely think they're gonna go with that Room and
Rains j us of brown Breaker, Bronson Reid. I'll take
Ron and Bronson to win because they got to build
up those those guys on Paul Hayman's side, I gotta
think it's that Sammis versus carrying a Cross. I think

(01:06:42):
crosses on the way out and Cross will have to
say that he was wrong about Sammy's ain. That's what
I think it's gonna happen. So sam as A will
win if carrying Across is not signing a new deal
and it doesn't sound like he's going to be from
all indications, then no. I expect Sammy Zening to be
continue to be pushed as he has been. That's as

(01:07:02):
it is in the six pack tables, ledders and chairs
match for the attack team titles. I expect Why six
to retain, you know, damn be all the rest of
the other teams. I don't see any of those other
teams taking the spot. Why six will be Tag Team
champions gives the reason to be on TV. Dominoguesterio, AJ

(01:07:23):
Styles or the IC title. I expect dom to win,
but that's been a verty you know, quirky little storyline
they've had with AJ Styles and Dominic. That's been pretty cool.
I'll give them that, but it's like just a little
nuances here and there. That's all they've really done to
kind of like tease up that match. Jacob has been
getting blown up by the New blood Line, the MFT

(01:07:44):
whatever sounds like a crypto thing. I don't know why
they say that, but or the NFT and now Solo Cage.
I expect the Bloodline members to go after Jacob too,
but I expect Solo to probably win. What it looks
like to me because Jacob to will not get his

(01:08:05):
comeback after this. I don't think it will happen unless
Jimmy us is coming out for it. I don't know,
but I couldn't tell you. I expect. I don't know why,
but I think Little Vicier will probably beat Becky Lynch
for the Icy title Women's Icy title, cares Naomi re

(01:08:26):
Ripley Eosky trouble that for the women's World title. I
expect Naomi to retain, and I expect Johnson to beat
Cody Rhodes, no question about that. I expect Johnson to win.
Tree fight also works for them to as well make
it go long as they want.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Who else?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Who knows what else might be brought in, But it's
just those guys. I don't they considering either outlying people.
They are going to be a part of this. So yeah,
Johnson to Cody Roads. I expect that, and I expect
Johnson to win. And again we will probably see the
double heel turn and Cody will get his heat back
on John Cena as the he That's what I expect
pretty much it. Yeah, I think I'll look at Summer Slam,

(01:09:07):
probably go on Sunday, check it out and leave it
from there and then like just see what happens. But
like I said, I will go and come on back
this weekend and we'll do post shows for both and
see how it all turns out. I think my predictions
are probably be pretty good. Like it even matters if
the predictions are right or not. It's like in I'm
just watching it and watch what else am I doing

(01:09:29):
on Sunday night? Let me go anyway, enjoy Summer Slam.
We'll talk after Night one of Summer Slam here on
the rest of our podcast because Wrestler needs us.

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