A VIOLENT RELATIONSHIP (Wrestling Soup 9.25.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hold on audio degradation in three two.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Like I like black a lot of the time, you know, moving,
grooving through the air parts, you know, undercover. You know,
if you really know me, this is really me right now.
It's not playing. Tomorrow's a night. He's gonna get got.
That's that's how, that's that's that's the whole thing, JACKI yo,
I don't even know how I'm mucha do it. You

(00:27):
know what I'm saying. It was one I'm gonna do it.
You know what kind of plan I got?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Little three four, five six moves our god oose.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't know. I know who you're talking to, though,
But look, JACKI.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yo online nowees from shocking the world two terms, all right,
he is.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
None other than they shocked.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Run all right.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
I just like you using the word degradation. Degradation, jerty,
fucking get out of your voice.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Sound how you like it? I like it degraded. I
like my shows degraded.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Spit in my show's mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Give me a bee.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
So can you believe that we're no?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh shit?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Oh sorry you well, truly, I don't know if I agree.
I don't know if I believe either. I can't believe
We're like, hey, man, I'm ready to talk about this list,
and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, we'll
find it out that the lady wrestlers are beating up
their boyfriends. Can you believe this?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was such an easy week for us too, because
I mean I was looking forward to it. I mean,
we could still do it. We have the fucking icon
and everything ready for the PWY five hundred, but it's
almost like we have to talk about all this other
ship and I kind of want to keep our PWI
reviews pure. I like the purity of the nonsense that
is that fucking list.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
I just I just want to be pure. Yeah, what
should we do that tomorrow afternoon? Like legitimately? Like yeah,
like like put a big fucking stamp while doing it
tomorrow affleet.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, all right, fine, I'll set it up for a smile.
I was thinking we were going extra long tonight, but yeah,
I'm gay for tomorrow, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
That was that was a back to back pause, extra
long and gay for tomorrow, folking pause. That's what New
Yorkers say. That that's their thing to say, like because
they would hate for anybody to think that they're gay,
you know, people that have Broadway. Yeah, well that's it, Like,

(02:51):
oh yeah, you almost said something that could have been
construed as I wasn't maskul in the night.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I am so fucking happy I find only finally got
my package and I didn't have to spend two thy,
seven hundred and eighty five dollars and ninety one cents
to get a show.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's where did you get it from? Where was it?
Where is it coming from?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, it came from Japan.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh okay, but it was only.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
We talked about this, the tariff stuff that's all going on,
and shit, I think we talked about this on Frank
and Gus, and that's how much they wanted to charge
me for a couple of things that I bought, right,
and tariffs are supposed to be fifteen percent of max. Actually,
it's really confusing for Japan right now because if you
buy shit from Japan after the sixteenth, you don't have

(03:36):
to pay tax or tariffs anymore. So Trump reeled that
back in after he realized that, Yeah, if I force
everybody to pay tariffs from Japan, nobody's going to buy
shit from Japan, and it's going to just basically crumble
the economy.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
It'll be a huge fucking problem. Yeah, it's it's almost
like trying to run your economic policy off an idea
from the eighteen nineties. It might not be the best move.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
But there's always been tariffs. I think that's the problem though,
that a lot of people don't realize there's always been tariffs, Joe,
It's just they've never been this fucking high. I think
that's the problem. Look, we ran was it two percent
tariffs forever? But that's two percent. You go from two
percent to fifteen percent or more. It's ridiculous. It was

(04:22):
like when we were joking about how easy it is
to get a rocket launcher through but if I have
a watch whoa watch out?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
You know, well, that's it. Like it shouldn't be cheaper
for you to fly to the country and bring it
home on a plane.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right, oh, lightning lightning saying you don't say. It's almost
like people love to buy stuff from Japan and they
don't want to spend more for it. Look my stuff aside.
Think about how much that would cripple cars, every fucking car,
and every fucking car part or anything related to automobiles.

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All of a sudden, everything had a fifteen percent mark
up minimum. Oh, you've you've killed Japanese cars?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Well, have you have you ever considered not being poor?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Apparently I need to talk to some of these guys
that all have their uh WrestleMania forty something tickets in
the first row. Yeah, Jesus I love I.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Think that that right now, if that's the that's actually
the best answer that anybody or best, I mean, that
the only answer they'll give to you. At this point,
You're like, should it really be that much? Well? Have
you tried not being poor?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, you're like, well, I've worked my whole life, so like, oh,
come on now, just that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, show me how to get this quick, this rich
quick scheme.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know, Jesus Christ, I think that I think the
real get rich quick scheme is already be born rich.
That's probably it. Yeah. Yeah, that's a hell of a
fucking racket. If you can, if you can have that hat.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I got to work on a new sugar mommy. Oh
what happens if you have two sugar mommies? Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Oh that's like, uh, what's what was it with my
two dads? I do my two sugar mommies?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Just buy myself more money?

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, buy myself more money. Yo, man, I got all
this money, I'm gonna buy more money with it. I
like that. But that's I like somebody saying that, like
they're gonna sell it. You ever see those things where
they're like, I'm gonna sell a course, and it's what
do you do with your money? Yo? Man?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Buy more money, buy more money, buy more buy more money.
So that's like, what was it, buy more money? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I think it was like three months ago or so
where they were where they set up a fucking it
was like a Venmo account or something like the federal governments.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Have a Venmo count.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
They're like, yeah, you feel like helping us pay down
this debt, you can just venmos.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Just just donate some money. The local government, Oh dude,
did you hear what's happening in Chicago? They're all over
the fucking place, Like, I know, Chicago's falling apart. But
the newest thing is we're shutting down our public transportation.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Oh that's a good Yeah, it's a good way to
show that your city is doing well.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh yeah, Well that's the thing is the CTA is
supposed to just bring in money. It's like free money
for the city. As long as you keep it running.
But because our mayor is such a genius and doesn't
know what he's doing, neither does the Department of Transportation
for Chicago. They're great ideas well, we can't afford CTA anymore,
which you shouldn't have to afford CTA. CTA should run itself. Yeah,

(07:35):
people paying five dollars to get on a bus, it
shouldn't cost more than that. But no, now they're shutting
it down after nine o'clock. And that's not just buses,
that's all the trains. So people won't be able to
go to O'Hare, they won't be able to go to Midway.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, that's real bad. Oh real our trains closed. It
are closed, you know what I mean? They stop running
at one o'clock, twelve thirty one o'clock. Even that, people
are like, what is this fucking nonsense? They're pissed about that,
and understandably so.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
But we're cutting off Midway and O'Hare. You're gonna cripple
the city. And I know that. The big fucking response
right now is Uber drivers are hiring. Yeah, no shit.
But even if you have every Uber driver out there,
you think you're gonna be able to cover every citizen
that needs to get on a bus or a train
from until six in the mor even if they can't.

(08:28):
But that's what I'm saying, is like, even if Uber
lowers their prices, there's still not enough drivers to take
that many citizens in a night. And let's be honest,
they're not going to lower their prices. They're going to
praise that.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Of course. Of course this shit's also fucked. Dude. Do
you know they did some sort of study a speaking
of public transportation shit, they did some study I think
it was maybe three or four years ago and the
Metro Boston area where they found out that it costs
more money for them to charge people to take the

(09:04):
train that if they just let them ride it for free.
Oh my god, because of all the upkeep and the
people they have to, Like, they could literally just lower
the fucking gates and just let people ride them all
the time and it would cost them less money. I'm like, yeah,
this is how, you know, we've created just a system
of just complete fucked up incentives.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's you know, it's it's insane. Oki says, I think, OK,
he's out of Houston, right. He says, the bus stops
after seven and never runs on weekends. Oh no, Oklahoma,
still Water, Still Water, Oklahoma. I'm sorry, dude, you can't
compare that to Chicago.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, right, if you And by the way, the name
of your the name of your town is still Water.
You know, like that should kind of let you know
that you're dealing with uh, what's the word I'm looking
for here some lat days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the
that's the nicer way I guess I'm saying it.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Stick.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, you're in the fucking You're kind of in
the middle of nowhere at that point, dude.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that you have to
deal with that. But even seven o'clock, I mean, just
nine o'clock in the city in Chicago, how many millions
of people come on Mad mex here in the chat.
How many millions of people live in the city.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's that's that's a disaster waiting to happen. That's a
fucking huge problem.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, I just think it's funny.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
What about the people that work these drunk like that's
what shit like, not not even like, hey, we're all
going out and getting drunk and party and like quite
literally getting from work to oh That's.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Why I was explaining O'Hara Midway. Those are our big
airports here, Like people are going to be completely cut off,
completely cut off, And you bring up the party scene,
but if nobody can get there after nine o'clock, there
ain't gonna be no party scene in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
No, of course not. And by the way, like you,
this should be already a thing. If it's not already,
if you work for the airport, the city, the Department
of Transportation, any of these places that have a night shift,
you need to immediately be loobbying with your union to
raise your pay at least three dollars an hour immediately,

(11:17):
because you have to be like, hey, listen, like if
all of a sudden it's a fucking luxury for you
guys to have people here past ten o'clock at night,
then you got to fucking pay us. Like it's a lot,
you know what.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
That's funny too, because there's a lot of businesses reopening
their twenty four hour schedules again, like that's been shut
down since COVID. I've started to notice it a lot
this year that a lot of places from your McDonald's
to your Walmarts to your Myers like all of a sudden,
these places that were, oh, we're shutting down at midnight
are now open twenty four hours again, and it's like

(11:49):
now they drop this shit. And the funniest thing is
they want the state to pay for it, so they're
big Yeah, they're big brainy act. Why should the state
pay for the city. It's CTA, it's Chicago, it's it's
Transit Authority. It's not PACE. We have like multiple transportation
systems right in Illinois. When you get outside of the city,

(12:13):
it's PACE, and PACE is run by their own suburbs
and stuff. It's like pretty much Chicago Land. But they're
talking about shutting down the core of Chicago. I'm sorry,
I just don't understand why that's Springfield's problem.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know, that's well, this is this is the problem.
It does. Like I said, it always goes back to obviously.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Hold on, mad Mex actually got me the number two million,
seven hundred and twenty one than three hundred and eight
people that we know of.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, the ones that only answered the yeah the door, now,
yeah I answered the door too. Yeah yeah, good, good
fucking luck with that.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh wait, you can't drive a car though, you're especially fucks.
So for people listening on the download, I mean, I
know the pre show shit, mad Max has been our
friend for years, since pretty much the beginning of the show.
But the guy's handicapped, you can't drive, goes to lighthouse
with a blind is not a person that you ever
want behind the wheel, nor I'm sure does he want
to be behind the wheel either. But now you've completely

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could it'll be.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
A little scary. That might be a little scary. Yeah,
but i'm too, it's.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Just and now you've cut off his transportation. Yeah, there's
still taxis in Chicago. Yeah, there's going to be Uber
and Lyft and whatever else. But you've gone from paying
five dollars for a transfer right for a couple of
bus rides to now what is it for uber like
forty bucks to get across the city? Fifty bucks more
than that?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, which, by the way, I mean you say that
and you unintentionally put into the ether or something that
I'm sure somebody there that works in any sort of law,
any sort of disability law, they've already put that in motion.
I'm sure that it's like, hey, like you said, if
you're a person this disabled, like what happen if you

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need to fucking get somewhere.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Your fucks go fuck yourself. Don't go anywhere after nine o'clock.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah. Yeah, But that's what I'm saying is like that's
a real problem. Like you can't you know.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
The solutions though? Is the crazy part. Look if the
city was like, Okay, we're hurting with CTA, we need
a way to you know, recover this money, right because
right now the big joke is is that they've been
running on COVID grants from the government, and it's like
they never expected the money to dry up. I don't
know why, but that's how the city was run. Nobody

(14:35):
ever expected that the COVID money would stop. And now
the COVID money has stopped, and instead of fixing all
the problems in the time where they had that COVID money,
they just pocketed it. They just put it in there.
But oh, it's a free raise for us. Oh okay, Well,
now the city has no fucking plans, no ideas of
what they're going to do with over almost three million

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people that take public transportation.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Well, this is this is why we have a problem
with as far as people aren't angry at the right
shit and I've said that for a long time now,
and it's often misconstrued. But like in that situation where
it's like, hey, guys, uh, this is that you should

(15:25):
be out in the streets for this, right, you should
be protesting shit like this. You should be angry at
your fucking at your government for this. You should be
angry at your local government. You should be making fucking
life miserable for them. You should be on their fucking
doorsteps protesting. I'm not saying go there with a fucking
you know, ball of a mace or nothing. I'm just
saying you should be annoying these fucking people to the

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point where you're like, hey, where's our money? Why doesn't
our ship work?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Because instead of that's why it's I know, but I'm
not going to get a straight answer, Joe. Because Chicago
is a city based on crooks. It's run by crooks,
it's four crooks, it caters to crooks. It's a shithole
of a town, right.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Well, that's that's why. And it's like it's funny because
it has nothing to do with fucking anything we'll be
talking about.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, No, I know this show, I know, but it's
like it's.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
It's funny because the fucking whole thing that happened with
Disney getting pressured because of Kimmel getting canceled, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
which they got. They saw their stock go fucking boom
boom into the ground, and then all of a sudden
they weren't so uh fucking pumped on making sure the
furor was happy. So that's what you end up with,

(16:39):
Like you you're supposed to get to You got to
get to the top somehow. You have to let people know,
like I'm just pleased. I'm going to find a way
to fucking make this your problem so it's not just mine, right,
And like I said, that doesn't mean that you need
to be setting up fucking violent, criminal shit. It's just

(17:01):
I don't know if you really look through history, what
am I talking about? People aren't fucking looking at history anymore.
Why am I even talking like this? Like I'm like, hey,
do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I know what is? They wanted to tear down the
Abraham Lincoln statues because they called him racist because he
didn't do enough for black people. And I'm just kind
of like, what are we doing here? Are we really
spending money on this, on time, on this shit.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
So this is also I mean, these are also the
same people that are wanting to put up They're like,
why aren't the Confederate statues still It's just always something.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, I agree, both sides are fucking stupid as hell.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's like, just just do some Like at this point,
my whole perspective is just like, just do something that
fucking helps. Please, just help people. Try try to help people.
Oh burgersh No, it doesn't. No, he does not. Well,
if we spend shiit's trillion dollars getting rid of Mexicans,

(17:58):
that what the fuck is that actually doing help people,
actually help them, do something to make life better? Do
I No, No.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Just a lot going on. Actually, you want to hear
something funny, And I think it was DT that actually
pointed it out. I saw it on Twitter and he's like,
what happened to the John Huber Foundation? What happened to
that charity that was supposed to help disenfranchised workers and
stuff and kind of help their their benefits. Whatever happened
to that? Because apparently it just disappeared. And I guess

(18:29):
he was doing one of his you know, his throwback
shows or This Week in History, and he was looking
it up and he's like, yeah, they can't find anything
online about it. Can anybody give me some information? No information.
I looked on Google. I even did the deep search
with chat GPT and did some looking myself independently, and
I couldn't find anything. Literally another case of just hey, yeah,

(18:52):
we're here to help and let me just pocket all
this money. And I mean, I don't know, dude. It's
just just just just heartening to hear, because you think
whenever somebody starts a charity and someone's name right, especially
in that scenario where he died young, you would think that, okay,
well this is an opportunity to you know, turn it

(19:13):
around and keep his name and his legacy alive. But yeah,
the Brodie Lee legacy is it's now gone. I guess
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
And this is why there's a lot of people and
it's it's a fucking shame to where if somebody needs help,
like you know those like feel good feel bad news
stories where it's like a little kid on the corner
and he's like, I'm selling in crystal light so that
way my castmate can have a wheelchair, and you're like,
this is fucking the most depressing shit I've ever seen

(19:45):
in my life. But because so many people are such
shit bags, there are actually people that would be like, yeah,
then the parents will probably just steal the money anyways.
They're like, god, it's so it really is fucking disheartening.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
But there's a lot of it. There's a lot of
these fake go fundmes now that these fake could go
fund me nows like, there's a lot of these these
kickstarters that lead to nowhere, you know, and then kickstarts
is a different thing, but still, you know. That's why
I remember back in the day when we used to
give to different charities and stuff. When I was supporting water,
there was an organization that we would talk about which

(20:19):
was called guide Star, and guide Star would vet all
these charities and tell you which ones were on the
up and up and which ones are like, ah, we
don't know where the money goes and they don't have
any proof, you know, So well that's.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Like one of the in my god, it's this is
such depressing shit. I can't wait to talk about depressing
wrestling shit. But no, it's fine. Uh, believe me. I've
enjoying the silliness. The silliness mixed with the sadness. But
that's why like Saint Jude's, right, Saint Jud's Children's Hospital. Yeah,
that's one of the few organizations that like right off

(20:56):
the jump, as somebody says, like, hey, were you doing yeah,
because they're really accountable for everything and their money goes
to kids with cancer and helping families with kids with
cancer and like that's it.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Right, but they have proof, they have stamps, like you
know what I mean. Like that's the problem is there's
a lot of smaller organizations, and to be fair, some
of them are coming up right, so they don't necessarily
have the experience of the time to sit there and say, hey,
we do help out all these people. But there's a
lot of bigger ones too. I think it was, wasn't
it the Susan b Coman Foundation, the big one, the

(21:32):
Breast Cancer Awareness one.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Oh, that was known for being a real tucking scrim Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Like the heads are all driving around and Mercedes and shit.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Like yeah, that's a problem. I mean, like I get
it to some extent, like if you're doing like okay,
if somebody is running a charity or even doing anything,
you know, I'm not sitting here saying like anybody that's
a civil servant or helps people should fucking starve. Duh.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Obviously, I still believe that a lot of people that
work for the organization, we're probably doing it out of
good faith. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the corporate
structure was anything but a corporates.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Oh yeah, they have all these people who are probably
doing volunteer work or cutting paid minimum wage in the state,
and then there's other people paying themselves two million dollars
a year. And it's like, yeah, I don't I don't
know what gets you to that place mentally, but I
hope I never am there, you know where I'm looking

(22:27):
at the big pile of money that's meant for somebody,
but for people who are sick or dying. And I'm like,
you would like, what if I get a boat?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Right?

Speaker 4 (22:37):
I like a boat like that? Not just like, oh man,
I want to like go on a fucking house and
have some you have a car that works and feed
my family and shit like, but quite literally, what if
I fly private jets to these events? It's like, yeah, no,
you're a fucking demus. Shit, for sure, You're a fucking monster.

(22:59):
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Speaker 1 (23:02):
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Speaker 4 (24:20):
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deep song.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Man.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Do you want to put on a band that I am.
I get it. I get how people have good memories
of them, but they're like they pretend. Man, it's just
like a deep political sinking band. I'm like, please don't, right, well,
please please don't.

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Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah, if you have an album called poop, I'm.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
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would have had a higher level of respect for Poo
the album than Dookey the album.

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fucking radio head snobs were like, okay, computer that came out.

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Speaker 1 (25:27):
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Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, let me tell you, everybody, listen, he just lifts
up his leg, you know, like damn dude, that was
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seconds for a ship joke. But yeah, wrestling, huh.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
So There's been a couple of things that were going on.
I know, we really didn't cover too much of it
on Tuesday talking about how ESPN didn't feel so hot
about Russell Palooza, and yeah, they were. They were a
little down on it. They were a little upset or
a little unhappy. But they've backpedaled because of course, and
I guess.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Because they saw how much money it made. Is that
what happens. That's exactly what happened. Richard Disch, ditchech, I'm sorry.
On Sports Media, the president of Content Burke Magnus was
asked about ESPN's plan to incorporate WWE programming as part
of their new partnership and if Sports Center will now
cover WWE storylines, and even after their direct statement now

(26:27):
they said, it's a really attractive conversation. What we're seeing
today is launch oriented. We've had superstars on our show,
Triple H has been on a variety of shows. Everything though,
has been presented in the context of this new partnership
and Russell Palooza. When it flips from being less about

(26:47):
the awareness of the new rights agreements in partnership, how
do we handle coverage of WWE across our platforms. That
is a really active conversation right now, and my gut
here is that there will be coverage, but we're figuring
it out. That looks like it's in the context of WWE.
It's unequivocally entertainment and part of sports and athletic and

(27:09):
what we do in every way other than the storylines
are scripted and it's presented in a way that everybody
knows that. There is a full appreciation at ESPN of
how compelling WWE content is from an entertainment perspective. The
answer is yes, for sure, but I'm not really prepared
right now to tell you or give you examples of
what that might look like.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, we're moving the ball, and we're moving the ball.
That's all we're doing right here. Yeah, you're just saying like,
go here, you'll never catch me.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
And there were no thanks to alis one, he throws
up the initial statement that ESPN made about Russell Paluza.
Their final grade was a C. The excellent Vacoor Vacuum
versus skymatch save this show from being truly average. It
was a phenomenal display inside the squared circle. Everything else
was either underwhelming, the short roads Mechantire match or a

(28:03):
setup for a future match. Lesnard dominating Sena For a
card that promised to have epic moments, it fell short
of expectations.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Well, I guess that whole punkin Rowlins match with I
guess that can just go fuck itself apparently, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Right, they didn't care. Come on, they didn't care.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's man. But this also just goes to show and
I know this is like ESPN and it's mostly just
like goober beat writers that might not actually care about
wrestling in any capacity. They're just seeing the two women
have that match and paying attention to the crowd reaction
and going, well, that makes it better, I guess. But
that whole tag match, whatever people want to say negative

(28:45):
about it, I guess that was just wrestling. Like that's
what a wrestling match is like, that has a gimmick
attached to it, that's not all fucking hard hitting, crazy action.
It was good, it was fine. I'm confused by why
we're seeing so many people shit on it. But these
are also, by the way, the same people that are
like that women's match before was excellent, and I'm like, yeah,

(29:08):
it's crazy, Like women can play different roles on the show,
like they're playing two tough, crazy athletes that can beat
the shit out of each other, or they can pay
play like wives that are pissed because they're the other
guys fucking with their husbands. Like that's also okay, you.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Know, I think whoever's writing this commentary for ESPN is
a smark, is an IWC smart because that's really coming
off like a lot of people online we're saying what
Russell Paluza was, Like, I think a lot of people,
even in our own audience, completely disagreed with our assessments
of Russell Pluza. They thought it was one of the

(29:45):
worst shows of the year, according to some and I
was I really couldn't see it that way, and I
tried to go back a little bit and see if
there were things that I say.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
But it's a problem when you know, you and I
more so myself is constantly accused of being and then
when we review something positive, they're like, yeah, but not
that right, Like wait, what.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you guys are just wwe shills? I mean, how
can it be both ways? How can it always be
both ways? When we're being honest and negative about something
because it sucked, it's like, you guys just don't give
anything a chance. And then when we literally watch something
and independently, right, because a lot of the times during

(30:26):
the pl E shows, Joe and myself aren't usually having
long form conversations. We'll we'll talk here and there, something
will happen and we'll go into the chat and we'll
just shoot the ship with each other. But for the
most part, we're not sitting next to each other watching
these things live as they happen. And when we come
up with the same type of identity of what their
show was and we both enjoyed ourselves, how can you

(30:48):
flip that and go, well, it's just guys are just
chilling for the company, like there's no winning with some people.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
After by the way, not even we don't even have
to go in the way back machine for this, after
weeks of being like hypercritical of the fact that the
way that the company is being ran is fucked up
and sketchy, so why would we By the way, I
will always love the comments where it's like, you guys
are gonna get money. Nobody in WWE is gonna give

(31:18):
us a dime.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh you know that, like folks like we're a first
on the list to not get anything ever.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Right, I mean, for real, do you think they're gonna
hear Do you think the guy that was doing Prince
Turkey imitations they're gonna be like, yeah, let's give him
them money, Like you think that's gonna happen, you know,
like it's it's so fucking diluted. I don't know where
to where to even start.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Well, I mean not to even get psychological, but it's
a cope. That's what it sounds like for you. Whenever
I see the sides flipping, and sometimes from the same person,
which is even funnier, it's a cope. It's a cope
with all these guys don't agree with my opinion. I
saw something and that they completely didn't see. How can
they like this? This is garbage And it's like, well,
maybe sometimes you just have to look at things with

(32:06):
different colored eyes, you know, so well, there.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Is also something to the effect of what the we're
saying something is good on WWE television at this point,
other than just the aw people are the people that
are carrying the residual anger of the prices of things
like we have, except at this point we're doing a
cardinal sin amongst the Internet, which is we are mildly

(32:31):
attempting to separate the art from the artist without the
artist being completely awful just business wise, there're shit.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Wow, you know, and still I mean, even the way
that we painted it on Monday or Tuesday, it's all speculation.
I don't know if the Becky Seth storyline is going
to turn out the way that I proposed it should,
if Seth is going to somehow be the vassal for
the state of Becky, Like, I don't understand what that

(33:02):
relationship is. And I thought on on Monday wwe had
a good breakdown of showing us that maybe Seth isn't
even in charge of his own actions. Maybe Seth just
does what his wife tells him to do, and Seth
just responds, And I'm like, wow, that's an interesting character take,
especially from somebody who's been so annoying for so long.

(33:23):
It's a good way to kind of save his character
by saying, Hey, it wasn't me, it was my wife.
My wife told me what to.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Do, right she was, Yeah, it was her all along, Austin. Yeah,
so I didn't get to ask you this.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Were the people that were frustrated with our Seth take
because I don't see the majority of the shit folks
just so. I don't I but was it based around
the fact that they were angry that we pointed out
the fact that Seth isn't the manliest man that's ever manned.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
No, I think it was funny more along the lines
of now it's time for Cody, Like that was one
of the responses. Oh, it's like you start going in
on Cody, and I'm like, I thought we kind of
did expose the fact that Cody's out there, you know,
portraying this character that just doesn't work and doesn't feel
real or honest anyway. Matter of fact, Cody just goes

(34:14):
out there and playcates the same shit to everybody every
week every other week, Like it's just I.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Mean, mish. I'd have thought that people would have taken
away from the fact that we were displeased with what
is what you know Cody was doing when I said
I can't imagine people paying these prices to watch him
be a white meat babyface?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (34:35):
Right, I thought that might have been kind of the kids,
and that for fucks, who the hell is pushing back
on us being upset about the crazy prices of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
They are actual pushback on Spotify comments and YouTube and
otherwise where it's like, oh, you guys, you guys complain about,
you know, spending twenty dollars on the ESPN and it's like,
twenty dollars is different than sixty four thousand fucking dollars
for stef and row seats.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
By the way, this also kind of answers the loose
questions she asked earlier. So she's like, why don't people
in the States like ask for things from like companies
and the government and shit, Well they go like tada.
There are people that are so fucking just like brainwashed
and propagandized by companies that they will literally suck the

(35:27):
ass of a company that is actively fucking them over
because the nigga to be like, oh, I'm better because
I'm getting ripped off and I'm not complaining about it.
Shouldn't you be happy about it? Like that is, oddly enough,
the mindset of a lot of people in the States. Yeah,

(35:47):
they're almost they take glee almost in being able to
look down at other people because they have the audacity
to ask to not be getting fucked in the ass.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
You know. One of the things that we also talked
about was the John on sena brock Lesnar matchup and
what this means down the line for John Cena. And
we've kind of been talking about John Cene a little bit.
You really can't have a wrestling program and not talk
about the end of this guy's career. But his dad,
John Cena Senior, who I know you've met before on
multiple occasions, was on a sports kidia and he said

(36:21):
turning John Cena a heel was a great idea. The
shock factor was great, but I think the storyline was
destroyed and that was a very poor move in my opinion,
because it was a big gamble for everyone that was involved,
and to see how it started and then to see
the characters who were involved no longer be present, the
heel turn almost became non essential. That was something I

(36:43):
really wasn't too hyped up on. I'll say it like
it is. I'll probably get in trouble for saying things,
but I'm just going to say like it is. I
think that bothers me the most of anything. I think
the positive aspects of this is the face turn.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Well, his dad is far from perfect, I can tell
you that much. I take some of his thoughts with
a grain of salt. Put in this in this instance,
He's right, But what also needed to be expanded upon
with this was this should not have been a fly
by night decision. This should have been a year long

(37:18):
story arc that starts out with heel Johnson, not like,
oh well, randomly I guess fucking bing bang boom or whatever.
But there should have been a plan for anywhere from
twelve to eighteen months to lay the fucking groundwork for
the story and tell it. And then you know, turn
Sena with about six months left. Then you have the

(37:39):
match where you have Code and Cina at Many or
whoever you feel like having on passed the torch to.
It was just rushed and there wasn't enough time to
tell the story. Yeah, that's kind of a good way
to put it. I would say. It's like, how back
in the day, you know, they would make a movie
like movies used to be like eighty or ninety minutes.
That was pretty much the norm. Right now, they'll make

(38:02):
a movie that's supposed to They'll be like, here's the
Hangover too, and it's like a supposed to be like
a dumb comedy, and for some reason, it's two hours
and forty five minutes long, right, and you're like, why
what the was this fucking Lord of the Rings? Why
is this so long? But like they sometimes that matters, Like,
if you're trying to tell a real fucking serious, long story,

(38:24):
yeah you need that whatever. It might be two hours,
two and a half hours, But if you're telling the
joke about like Mike Tyson's tattoo and like the doctor
Kim whatever his name is is tiny penis or something,
you don't need all that. Yeah, you don't need all
that time, right, But with the Scena thing, if they'd
actually planned it out.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
The thing about that too, I still go back to
and I'm sure there's a lot of people that kind
of scrutinize this, but it felt like even when that
was going down, even with the Travis Scott stuff and
The Rock being involved, it felt like there was two
different creative teams working against each other. And we've heard
that The Rock had his own creative team for what

(39:05):
he was doing, and obviously Triple H is running the
majority of creative for WWE and his council. When it
came to John Cena, it felt like it was more
of a fumble on the part of the Rocks creative team,
or maybe the direction that the Rock was expecting everything
to go. Maybe the fans responded differently than what the
rock was expecting, and it was up to Triple H

(39:28):
to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Again, Like,
I don't know, what do you think was the ultimate breakdown?
Because I don't think they broke up the heel angle
without a reason.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I think they probably put together the fact of what
the fuck are we doing here? The people want to
cheer John Cena at his last run, We can sell
a lot more T shirts. This is fucking stupid and wasteful,
which they could have gotten a hell of a lot
of sauce off the heel seen a thing had they
had a clear vision and had they started earlier. I mean,

(40:05):
I'll still say that the best thing that Sina did
during that short run was this match with Randy Orton,
which nobody saw that shit coming. No, No, that was
great and that was a lot of fun. But I
was talking more directly of what was the actual lynchpin.
What was what do you think was the problem that

(40:26):
made everybody stop and go, Yeah, this isn't working, because dude,
you just you gave people fucking appetizers after dessert, that
sort of it, you know, like people at that point
where they were over the idea of that. Oh man,
it'd be cool for seeing at a turn heel, but
it's like that ship had sailed long enough to where

(40:47):
yeah it was a cool moment. Yeah, ESPN, whoa shit?
And like I said, I really liked I liked the
match a lot with those two. I hated, quite literally
despised every single babyfaced John c universe Randy Orton match.
And I he loved that match that they had with

(41:07):
Seene as the heel and Orton as a fucking baby.
I don't know why, but.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, because of excelled. Because Orton is also in this
place of his career where he's obviously much older and wiser,
and I think he doesn't have to ask for the fanfare.
But he almost feels like he's silly out there now.
And I don't mean silly like whacky, but I mean
he feels like he's enjoying himself. Yeah right, and that
the audience can see that, the audience can see that

(41:33):
he's having a good time out there. And now all
of a sudden, John Cena is taking himself so seriously
in that match and Randy Orton's out there trying to
have a good time. It was a flip of rolls.
It was refreshing, and it really did.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Make you appreciate and at least from my perspective, it
made you appreciate them in a way that I hadn't
in a long time because I'd still had enough exposure
to people that were from an older generation.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
It did what they did with the yeah and now,
because so few people do what they do with the ease,
you go, oh, oh, this stands out now, I see
why this is special, just like I said with the
match with Punk, where I'm going, oh, There's only so
many fucking people left that can do a match like this,

(42:19):
and that's why I liked it so much.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
But yeah, Speaking speaking of the retirements, aj Styles obviously
quietly inked an extra extension another year with his WWE contract,
but speaking to Tokyo Sports while promoting WWE's upcoming tour
of Japan, he opened up about his future and he said,
I will probably appear at Rustlemania April next year in Vegas,

(42:45):
but it's not confirmed yet the details are still undecided,
but I'll definitely retire within the next year. I don't
want to show my fans a side of me that
isn't AJ styles. That's the main reason I've decided to
retire before my body can no longer move. And I
haven't decided anything yet, but I'll probably work for WWE.
It might be good to train young wrestlers to be

(43:07):
worthy of being on the main roster, but I don't
know yet. So his plans right now are WrestleMania next
year is going to be his final WrestleMania. Maybe maybe
he'll come back for Saudi Mania. Who knows the paycheck
blah blah blah. But he still wants to stay with
the company and be a trainer or be some kind
of an influence on the younger guys.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Well, I mean that's really the role he should have. Really,
like when he's done, who is Like I said, some
of the aforementioned guys in the style of match that
they were having, that people have completely forgot how to have.
AJ's in that generation too. Yeah, he's in that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
He's in ex It's crazy to think he's been working
since wc W. Yes, like he's actually older. He's much
older than John Cena in this In this regard as
far as ring time goes.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
You know, isn't that just shocking? It just feels it
feels so fucking weird to sit there and go. Aj
Styles is older than Sean Cena right now, Like, yeah,
I look.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
At guys like M Stereo and it blows my mind
that rayms Stereo is able to go out there and
have matches. And then I look at Aj Styles and
he looks like a peak performance human right now. He
still looks great. He looks like he's ready to go.
Clearly when he wakes up in the morning, it's you know,
probably a lot of body aches among other things, but

(44:34):
it's just it's amazing how good he looks and how
much of an athlete he still performs at at that
level even though he's really ready to retire.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
But that's I'm glad at this point that he's not
gonna go out sad. That's nice to see because I
know he gets I mean, the groups of people that
he gets lumped into, and it's not necessarily or should
I say, it's unfairly you know, usually aligned with people
like the r O H t NA guys right like
like like a d V. Richards or even a fucking

(45:06):
Kety Omega or any of those dudes. It's like, well,
he became so much more than that, and he's so
much more capable than both of those guys by a lot,
a lot, a lot, you know. So for him to
actually get to go out and not in a way
where it's like what are you doing, man, it's like, oh,
tna bad or excuse me a w BOUND I mean,

(45:26):
you know, potato potato to some extent. No, no, motherfucker's
gonna stay in w w A. He's gonna get a nice,
fat fucking paycheck, retire at WrestleMania, and like he said,
there help fucking kids learn how to work.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And he doesn't have any future of doing movies or
TV or music videos. You know, he's not gonna sing
about drugs.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
He's just kinda I'm working for the AJ Styles rap album,
the VP.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That'll be a good one.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
He could do a duet, yeah, maybe he can. Maybe
he can start a conspiracy theory podcast.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Don't don't fucking put that over, because he probably could.
I want to talk about the gay community.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
So let me so, let me let me ask you this.
All right, the moon right, it's so far up there?
Why why I know it's far, but like, why are
we going there all the time?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I believe the moon is made of cheese. We just
haven't found it yet, delicious monster cheese. Maybe some Swiss
because it's got that nice Why color y?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
If we get up to the moon, right, are we
just like we're just gonna jump around on it. We're
not gonna do no digging.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
How come we haven't had a WrestleMania on the moon yet?
We have the technology? Mood?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Well, you know what that maybe that'll be the next one. Boy,
oh boy, I wonder what they'll charge for those tickets.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Oh fifty bucks?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah, I like the idea of that. Wwe persents Moonwalk
moon Mania, the moon Mania? Yes, moon Aania, you get
up there? Who's let me ask you this? Who's not
the headliner? Of course? Who's the opener of moon Aania?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Don't?

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Who's doing that?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Max Moon?

Speaker 5 (47:25):
No?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Maximus? That was stiff. That was a little rough, have
you no?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah? But aj Styles getting ready to retire. Look, there
was something floating around. I don't know if it's real
or not. I think it is, but Mercedes Moneta is
hiring half naked boys to carry her titles? Is that
what she's doing now, she's got a boys, she's got
a boy scout, a boys squad now, because she had

(47:54):
it all out right like it was a picture of
her with all these half naked dudes carrying her shit.
But is that something that she's high ing for now,
she's just going to get boys to carry your titles
for her.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, let me ask you this, any of this give
her a personality?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
No, oh shit, it's never gonna happen, dude. No, you're wrong. No,
she's just never She's never there. She's just so fucking dull.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yes, the belt boys, thank you there, DJ Belt, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
The Belt, the Belt boys, the Belt boys. Could you
imagine fucking Tony Gunn's sitting there and he's like, well,
I don't know if I can, you know, put to
finder time. And then he's paying these guys to fly
with her, to walk around with belts.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's your eight billion dollars, bitch.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Oh he's making her. Yeah, he's making she's paying for it, dude,
the level of hawk of duels.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
How cool would it be to be a belt boy? Joe?

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Oh? Yeah, that great? Yeah, I guess I don't know.
What's what's the starting Bay, I guess I don't know.
How about you getting paid for that? Dude? Didn't she lose?
She lost about right to Chris Statlander. Isn't that what
happened that right?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Out?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, we didn't even really talk about it all out.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I really don't know why would we.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, So a couple other pieces of news before we
get to the fucking tragedy. But speaking of speaking with
Jim Barcelloni, Deanna Parrazzo opened up about her journey from
sue plexus to Senate floors. She said, so, my master's
degree is in political science, and this summer was really

(49:40):
fortunate to take an internship in the Senate Office, and
I had such a great time learning about something that
is not wrestling related. I would never have thought twenty
years ago that I would be studying political science, working
in the Senate office, or saying one day that I
am going to be the first female governor of Florida.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Oh boy, honey, aim higher. I mean, with all due
respect of Florida, she's gonna have to get a lot
fucking dumber if she wants that mantle.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Do you think, well, I obviously, Oh god, that sounds
so stupid. Do you think it's a political move. Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Actually listen, she's getting into politics. Sounds like a fucking
political move to me. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
But when you think about all the wrestling that happens
in Florida, do you think it's something like that, like
I can scratch the backs of or they can scratch mine,
like all these different wrestlers and promotions and shit.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I think that she probably does have an aspiration to
do this, and she just so happens to be aligned
with the wrestling world and it's a good gimmick and
you're definitely somewhere where people are dumbasses, so that will help, right,
you know what she would be like, I'm gonna body
slam Texas the Oh my god, them Karks. She's gonna

(51:01):
flam them. She's gonna flam them real gorge like yes, yeah, well,
you know what, how about we just cheer for the
fact at this point that she's not holding onto the
dream that Tony Kahn will ever respect her as a performer. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like you might as well, which,
by the way, can you mean we've hit this point
that this is almost a lateral move. It's like, what

(51:24):
do you do. It's like, I'm a woman's professional wrestler
for a fucking c company that's funded by a trust fund. Kid,
They're like, what would you rather do with studies? I
don't know, be fucking governor or something. So I get
fair enough, fair enough? I mean, why not? Why couldn't
you do that at this point? Do you know what
I mean? Like, it's like, what's your qualifications? Shrug? All right,

(51:46):
you're hired good enough for Florida. Yeah, Florida. They're like,
let me let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this. Can you read this? Like? Yeah? They're like,
all right, start, good, good start. Can you read it
to me?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Can you read it out loud? Yes? Yes I can.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
They're like, wait, sir, aren't you like the aren't you
in charge of like all the fight anties? I didn't listen.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I just no numbers. I just know numbers, not letters.
Letters is not my field.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
If you write out the numbers, well boy, I am
just lost as can pay fucking hey, Like I said,
good for her. I don't know why. I don't know
why any human being would want to volunteer to be
involved in government at this point, but.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I just thought it was a little bit of a
funny kind of segue going from that to that. But
so let's talk about what's going on in TNA, or
more specifically Masha Slamovich, right, oh boy, kind of all
over the place. I know, the TNA also has the
Gail Kim stuff with what does it, Bert Lauderdale or
whatever and.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Oh the kid, yeah, the kid from GCW, Yeah, I
like that.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That stuff kind of floated back and forth, and he
took offence to the fact that Gail Kim is not
a fan of death matches, and he responded with nobody's
overseen a Gail Kim match or who can name a
Gail Kim match or something like that, and it got
Patty out at that point. But that's just fucking online drama.
But this Akira and Masha Slamovich. The situation has already

(53:28):
led to serious allegations, including claims of domestic violence and
emotional abuse. Even a former roommate has backed a Kira
with disturbing accusations of prolonged abuse, threats, and control, and
in an update, Akira shifted the focused not to defend
Slamovic's behavior, but to ask fans to stop wishing her harm. Now,

(53:51):
I don't know if you've seen all the fucking receipts.
So there was a Google drive that pretty much was
full of nothing but screenshots of you know, different pictures
of him with like scratches and holes and stuff where
she is allegedly beat him. There was even a busted

(54:12):
up frying pan in one and a lot of phone
conversations back and forth on Twitter and stuff where you
could kind of gauge the relationship that they had, you know,
and initially reading this, and I mean there's two parts, right.
There's the part where Kira is talking directly to Masha.
She's very controlling, she's They're both extremely toxic in different

(54:36):
ways for each other. I'm sure in a different setting
their world might be different. But you know, she is
very verbally abusive. She does things that are petty and
a lot of mind games, a lot of control, and
she'll also do things like leave me the fuck alone,
give me some space, and then he turns into like

(54:57):
a Grade nine clinger.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay, right, So just it's just people that are really
not good.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
You know what. I can read off some of this
stuff if you're interested, because I do have it all
here thanks to goof by the way, CM goof was
the one who included me in on this show real quick.
But you know there's so it's very frustrating, Masha says,
when I'm up already worked up and overwhelmed and overstimulated
all day and upset over a bad match and being inconsiderate,

(55:30):
but whatever, who cares about that? You still manage to
make it worse for me and make me lose it
when I was trying to keep it together till I
go to sleep. You're supposed to be the one helping me,
and all you do lately is make things worse Alex,
and he just responds, I just didn't want you to
destroy the glasses that you paid a lot of money
for and need in a day to day life. And

(55:51):
I'm sorry. I'm tired of this. This isn't what I
signed up for. This isn't what we used to be,
and it's not going to go back to how it was,
and it's not going to get better, only worse. I've
been down this road before. I mean, this is just
one but there was a point where she's just destroying
shit in her own house. There's a point where he
talks to his friend about offering himself turning off the switch.

(56:15):
And it's just it's it's heartbreaking really reading this, because
it's like everybody's seen bad relationships, but this is a
relationship that's been around for a few years and clearly
they're in dire need of being apart from each other
because I'm sure there is some love there, or there

(56:35):
once was, but this is so far past that. Dude, Well,
this is where.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Unfortunately, I guess you could say, but you know, what's
everybody that has ever lived long enough will say, if
I knew then, when I knew now, Right, that's the old.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Sure, But a.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Lot of this shit with life and relationships and all
that you only learn it by living long enough, if
you were not given the tools as a young person
by people in your home and your family to be
like this. This is how you set boundaries, right, this

(57:16):
is okay, This is not okay. And when you get
two people like that that weren't raised with those ideals
or understanding of boundaries or self worth self esteem. I mean,
I'm not trying to look at this to get shitty
with people, but I've said a million times, you know
a lot of people don't go into wrestling because they're
doing well, and a lot of people don't go into

(57:39):
wrestling are doing well, and a lot of them definitely
don't go into death matches, right, And that falls under
categories of both individuals in the situation. But that's what
it is there. I don't know how young they are.
I think they're both in their twenties and shit, ye,
and that's not completely obviously being like no, that's great,

(58:00):
and you're horrible to each other, but this is it.
This is what happens when, like I said, you get
two fucking broken toys trying to make it work.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Well, you know, there's the self admitted problems too, so
let me throw that out. Obviously. On a Curra's side,
he's opened up about being suicidal a lot of his clinginess.
He admitted to later on to his friend that he
has abandonment issues, which explains a lot of the reason
why he keeps trying when she's telling him, look, give
me some fucking space, and he doesn't seem to understand that.

(58:31):
Not saying that's good either, I'm just I'm just saying
he's self admitted that he has abandoned mint issues to
her and to his friends, and she's admitted that she
has problems physically in the relationship because she had problems
with an X. So when you read all this, you
just start looking in between the dialogue and you start

(58:52):
picking apart what the actual problems are. She has some
kind of anger issues, she has problems with exes, she
has problems with the intimacy, like all of these things
compounded with two different people with two of their own
sets of problems, and this is what you end up with.
And instead of recognizing the flaws, like you said, because
they weren't raised by a family or a group of

(59:15):
friends to teach them otherwise, you know this is how
they're going through it. And unfortunately now it's becoming public
because she made threats saying I'll ruin your career and
everything else like that. And I don't even know how
this initially all came out. I don't know how it
got on the drive. I don't know how it got
circulated on the internet the initial way that it got

(59:35):
circulated out there. But clearly, based upon these conversations, she
looks awful. She looks awful in a lot of ways.
And I'm not trying to sit there and say the
blame is equal I don't think there's at any point
you should smash this shit out of your ex for
anything that they said, period, Like, there's when you escalate
it to violence, you're in fault. That's it.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Yeah, that's almost like the rule of thumb in this
situation or in any situation. People, people yell, people get frustrated, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Right, Fine, if all she did was just throw glasses
on the ground, you know what I mean? Like, right,
I know that that's still a bad thing too, right,
Like destroying inanimate objects is still conceining as a violent response.
But that's different than actually laying your hands on the
person you love. That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Yes, that is. I most reasonable human beings would agree
that that's a bridge too far, no matter whether you're
man woman like. That's just that is where the line
starts and ends when shit gets physical like that. And
by the way, and this can always be construed from
like a victim blaming perspective or whatever people want to

(01:00:50):
call it, but I've always thought to myself and it's always,
like like you said, they're abandonment issues. People not raised
with self worth or understand thing of what to do,
like most people. And by the way, I don't even
want to make this like a you know, oh you
just had a bad family. Sometimes people have really good
families and then it fucking confuses them even more because

(01:01:12):
they're like yeah, they're like, what's this psycho shit? They
don't know, Like I I've seen that happen with people
I know personally in my life, where it's like they
came from good families, they had nice moms and dads,
they had decent siblings and people that cared about them,
and then they run into fucking Johnny wack job or

(01:01:34):
fucking Susie fucking loopti Lou, and they are not equipped
to deal with like what is wrong with They just
think that this person's having a bad day and they'll
snap out of it right and you're like no, no, no, no, no,
that's there. It's deal. They need a lot of help.
And then, like a lot of people who they're they're
good people, they're told that in relationships you're supposed to

(01:01:56):
stick it out if you care about the person, you
had a lookout for them, and they just dig themselves
into a hole deeper and deeper. So that's fucking sad, dude,
and a lot of that once again, happens when you're young.
And that's not saying that it's like exclusively behavior of
people that are younger. There's still middle aged people that
could take an advantage of like this or fucks with

(01:02:17):
like this relationships. But it is just God, it is
fucking really sad to see. And you mentioned it a
little bit in passing, but I had I hadn't heard
of that before, but she was basically saying, like, I'm
gonna go fucking ruin your Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
No, she openly said that a few times. Look, there
are other regious things that you said, right, like the
financial control is a wild one, and myself and Goof
were even talking about that in private too, that she
wouldn't She threatened the relationship if he wasn't financially responsible,

(01:02:54):
so he would make less than two thousand a month.
He kind of like admitted that, like a two thousand
dollars a month, and he's like, I would put five
hundred dollars away every month, and she's like, well, why
not a thousand? Like that was kind of her response.
And at the same time, though she demanded that he'd
take her out, she demanded presents, she demanded things. It's

(01:03:17):
like you can't ask this man to be completely financially responsible,
pay his bills to live and then spend all of
this crazy exorbitant amount of money on you as well.
And that was more of that control that she exuded
in all of these conversations, Like, there is a serious
issue with control with this woman. It's not just the anger.

(01:03:40):
The problem that I saw more than anything was how
she needed to have control over him, and she used
the threats of dissolving the relationship as a way to
control him, because he would say things like I love you,
I love you. What's worked through this? And she's like,
I don't know if I can do it anymore. I
don't know if I can forgive you. I don't know
if I do. And this is all classic narcissistic type

(01:04:03):
of fucking behavior where it's like it's it's sociopathic really
because you're using your relationship, your love as a tool
to get what you want. It's it's insane to me, right,
And so later on she goes online and I don't
know if I still have the original post, but basically

(01:04:24):
she said both sides are at fault and now I'm
seeking therapy and stuff like that, and you know her
roommate or his roommate said it wasn't mutual, and if
I wanted to, I would post what videos I have
of their fights that would go hours on end, waking
me up anytime from midnight to three am, where it

(01:04:45):
would be hours on hours of her screaming at him,
the times she would physically assault him to immediately asking
why he wouldn't just put his hands up or try
to stop her. See, and that screams to me abusive
X relationship, which she admitted too that she had bad relationships.
So maybe she was in a relationship before Kira where

(01:05:07):
that's what it was. Joe, just a guy would slap
the shit out of her and she would take it,
and this is you know what I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Mean, Like, it's just this is what she thinks a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Right, So she's fucking broken and the worst person to
have relationship without therapy. But it goes on. The roommate
goes on too, and he says, you know, she would
then turn around and cry wolfe immediately screaming bloody murder
for help until he would let her go, only for
her to go back to hitting him. And then she
was on the opposite spectrum believing that her actions were
justified and actually needed to help turn Akira into whatever

(01:05:40):
image suited her fancy that month. If it wasn't his gear,
it was his body shape. If it wasn't his body shape,
it was his move set. If it wasn't his moves,
it was the companies that he worked for. If I
ever spoke up about anything, I was threatened, physically told
that I'd be put in the hospital or fucking killed.
Masha's only reason for wanting me to stay was because

(01:06:01):
she didn't want to have to pay more for rent
and who is going to take care of that dog
to cook for us? She cares only about herself, and
the longer I stay there, the more I realized it.
But nothing about that situation was mutual. I probably prevented
more shit from happening than whatever did. If anything, I'll
regret losing friends for saying anything, because I'm sure it'll happen.

(01:06:23):
But yeah, basically, she was initially called out, you know,
by the roommate because she said, yeah, I'm seeking therapy,
and basically he turned around and he was like, no,
you're with a new guy and you're back on a
coke habit. You haven't sought any fucking therapy or full
of shit. And that's just me paraphrasing, but that's pretty
much how the roommate responded. And it's gotten ugly, and

(01:06:44):
I know TNA and a couple other promotions have now
pulled working with Masha Slamovich immediately after all this has
come to light, and it doesn't look like it's going
to get better.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Joe, Well, this is where, you know, a phrase of mind,
a turn of phrase that I use often comes into play.
Some people are I don't want to say stupid in
this situation, because I don't think this is a stupid thing,
but some people are too broken to be rich. They

(01:07:16):
can't get to a level of success because they are
in their own way. And I know that's like a
very trite observation, but that that's what it is. You
can't tell me that if she didn't have these fucking
issues and now that all these fucking horror stories coming out,
that ww we wouldn't be looking at her for n XT, that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I didn't she didn't she do a couple of run
ins for WW or for TNA, and WWE I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Did she did something with like what Triple A or whatever? Right,
didn't she do something for that, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
She's she's been involved in that grapevine and that's got
to be gone now. WWE doesn't want somebody that this unstable.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Yeah, oh no, God, no, why would you? Why would you?
I mean this is where we are. As far as
WWE is concerned with wrestling. They'll put up with some
shit in, some fucking sketchy stuff if you've already proven
to be a crazy commodity for them that makes money

(01:08:22):
a pall a Lesner, Right, some of these fucking guys,
and I'm sure some of the girls too. I wouldn't
be shocked anymore if we saw Tessa on television. I
wouldn't be shocked anymore. Six months ago, a year ago,
I would say, no fucking chance. But now she's played
nicey nice long enough that there's a possibility that might happen.

(01:08:44):
But they don't have to put up with and they
won't put up with anything. They shot Anzol Moore out
of a fucking cannon. Yeah, and he proved he could
sell t shirts and tickets and shit for them because
he had arrested for a case that ended up eventually
being dismissed, and all the you know, was he hearsay

(01:09:06):
did yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Right, and even bringing up Obbyssie Jones fired for allegations
that turned out to me to not be true. Yeah, no,
this is this is quid pro quote for w w E.
If there's anything like that, domestic violence or they just
don't even deal with it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Well, they don't want to hear from you. They don't
want to hear it. Man. And at this point, and
it does go back to again like listen, not a
big fan of fucking Seth and Becky, right, not the
biggest fan of him. But you know, knock on wood,
I don't think we're hearing too many stories about these
two boxing each other up or one way or the other, right,
you know, AJ and punk.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Oh what about Kyle Fletcher's ex wife that said that
he was a Nazi and got him fired from the
company and everything else? He thankfully didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Kyle Fletcher's not like a
robox Can character. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
No, what was his name? It wasn't Kyle Fletcher. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
The kid from Yah Kimberly, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Don Reynolds. Kimberly was the Oh yeah, yeah, he was
from MSK.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Well, Well that's also not. Let's also not uh you know,
ignore this part of the story too, where after all
of this time of stories like that right where that
kid got fired, Uh, don't doubt the fact. And I
know that you know you said that A Kara was like, hey,
it's like guys, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I'll read off his statements and go on. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Right, but like him saying like, don't threaten her online.
But these are wrestling fans. They have that sense of justice, right.
It comes along with being a wrestling fan being neurodivergent,
which a lot of wrestling fans are, uh that they're
gonna see this and they're going to go, well, if
every single guy that ever got in trouble or all

(01:10:53):
these guys got in trouble for saying well, then she
should get in trouble for her too. So you knew
that was going to happen as well. Right, even if
it turned out similarly like you said, like the Odyssey
Jones situation or the kid from the rack. Yeah, even
if they were like, oh it turns out after the
fact that uh, you know, not so much. Right, They're

(01:11:18):
gonna still have that you know, they're gonna I'm gonna
keep that same energy or whatever. But yeah, no, man,
you can't be fucking when you said the whole thing
of her then saying to him like I'll fucking ruin
your name, I'll go after you. I'm like, that's that's

(01:11:38):
that's putting something into the ether. Like I said there,
that's putting something into the ether that even a lot
of people that would be quick to say, you know,
I'll give her another chance. People hear shit like that
and they go, oh, no, I've you know, if I
was with somebody and they did some ship like that
to me, unforgivable, unforgivable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Let me read his side of the things, right, So
he took to Twitter. Obviously he had something to say
about this, to say to the people that have been
rattling behind him, He said, I appreciate everyone who has
come to my defense. I still have concern for my
ex partner, and despite what others may say, I want
to forgive I do. I don't hate her, I don't
wish her ill will I would have held it close

(01:12:24):
to my chest and never have said anything. But I'm
thankful for people messaging me and telling their stories. I
have grown a great deal and I hope others do too.
With whatever they get out of my past. However, please
do not wish Ill will. Enough of that has been
said and it's been hard to detach. So he's still
having issues, which of course he will. He's probably going

(01:12:45):
to deal with this for years. It's probably even lingering.
In his next relationship, he's going to be gun shy,
because that's what happens in a bad relationship. It's a
lot harder to heal from a bad relationship than a
good one. You know, I loved her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
The artist thing for people that when they get out
of good relationships is them beating themselves up, going how
did I fuck right? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
It's always a self reflection kind of thing, like, man,
I had a good jeez, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I let her go, as opposed to how did
I let this happen to me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
That's a heavier Yeah, that's a heavier wait for people,
whether they realize that it's not their fucking fault or not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
You know, I loved her and still love her in
the bottom of my heart, and anyone pushing her to
do something drastic needs to learn the art of forgiveness.
I believe that she has good in her and that
she will evolve in a positive way. I believe that
she is one of the best wrestlers I've been blessed
to meet. I want her to grow as a human,
and I want her to continue her work as a
wrestler when she finally becomes that person. She taught me

(01:13:48):
many things about myself during and after, and the person
I became after it is finally someone I can look
in the mirror and see that doing the things that
I aspire to. We live life and we fail. We
all have. We must take accountability and repent for those
actions in which we've hurt others. But I believe in
forgiveness and change. If we don't have that in this world,

(01:14:09):
then we have nothing. I believe that there is good
in people and the good in the world. Despite everything,
I still believe there's good in her. Do not wish
pain and suffering. Wish for change and accountability. Be better
than the people who live within the world and bring
nothing but pain to it. I'm not asking for idle
hands or recompense. I'm asking to remember that in order
for people to learn, we must remember it's about second

(01:14:31):
chances and be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving
each other just as Christ, God forgave you Ephisia Ephesians
four thirty two. So gets a little religious at the end.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
And maryay, I wasn't expecting that one, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Well, I mean, if you listen to what he's saying, man,
it sounds very He's been talking to a lot of Christians.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Joe, Yeah, somebody, somebody's in the DMS telling them about
the Jay Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
And if that's what it takes, fucking that's what it takes.
I know where, I know me and you are very
much against the Church in a lot of ways, and
we've talked about this ad nauseum over the last fifteen
plus years. But I don't necessarily think that the idea
of what Christianity is supposed to represent is a bad
thing or an evil thing. There have been evil Christians,
there have been people that have used the word of

(01:15:18):
God in an evil way. But I don't think the
idea of forgiveness. I don't think the idea of allowing
second chances and accountability to be bad things. And if
this is what he needs to lean on in order
to recover from what sounds like a tremendously awful relationship,
then more power to him. More fucking power to him

(01:15:40):
because it's better than this. Then this guy sitting alone
in a room thinking about off switching himself because he's
openly talked about that too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
You know, well, you know what, like it's one of
those things where I don't I mean just as a
personal opinion obviously, and why my opinion would really matter
to another person is not existent. But uh, you just
like you said, you look at and you go even if
I'm not seeing this is my way. If this is

(01:16:09):
helping you and it's not hurting anybody else in the process,
why why would I pooh pooh it? You know right,
Why would I have anything negative to say?

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
No, I'm sorry if I painted you that way, That's
not what I was trying to do. No, I know,
I know, me and you had stories about church activities
that suck and people are within the church that suck,
so it's not I mean, right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Yeah, mish, look at look at the fucking everything right
now where you have people where they're just like they're
going to church on Sunday. Well, at the same time,
like seeing horrible fucking chip story you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Just gave me about the preacher's son that kept fucking
slaves in his basement for five years.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, the aw fan Yeah, Jesus chwice R.
You're right, Well, that's it. It's like there's a lot
of detachment from what people are like, oh yeah, no,
like I'm a I'm a good, good religious person. And
then you're like, well, don't you actively not help people ever?
And they're like, yeah, but that is that kind of

(01:17:11):
like the opposite of the whole gimmick.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I like, yeah, but like what.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
If I believe did all the shitty versions of it,
but I'm awesome, you know, like there's that horrible that's
the shittier version of it. But if the idea is, hey,
I will forgive her and then I will be able
to move on and be able to give to forgive myself.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
I really don't even care if he forgives her. Honestly,
all of this talk from him about forgive her, forgive her, dude,
you have every right not to. You have every fucking
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
That's also fine. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I'm more in the camp of dude, just get away
and fix yourself, do you know what I mean? Like
sometimes you just burn the bridge and never go back,
Like talking about forgiving her and stuff like that. Almost
feels like he doesn't want to let the bridge go,
almost like he's trying to keep some semblance of Look,
even in the end, I was doing the right thing.
And maybe he's doing it as a humility thing, which

(01:18:07):
is fine, that's fantastic, good for you. But you can
be selfish about your emotions. You can be selfish about
the fact that you've suffered this much in a bad relationship.
There is nothing wrong if Akia took time off, disappeared
from the internet, disappeared from Masha and her people, and
went and fixed himself, maybe took a vacation the one thing.

(01:18:29):
And I know you didn't get to read through a
lot of his text messages, but there was a phrase
that he kept using over and over and over again,
from his discussions with her to his discussions with his friend.
He kept saying, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. And

(01:18:51):
it wasn't like I'm saying this because oh, it's been
a long day of work, Like this was somebody who
spiritually was fed up or at the end of his rope.
And the fact that he said it so many times
in those and just the messages we saw, who knows
how many millions of times. This guy said it. That
was never screenshot it. You know, it's like, yeah, dude,

(01:19:12):
take care of yourself. I know how that phrase feels.
I've said I've I'm tired, and it's not the kind
of tire that a pillow will fix. It's the kind
of tire that you need to reevaluate your life. So
this is a guy. Yeah, if he's trying to play
nicey nice with Masha, stop it, dude, stop it. Stop

(01:19:32):
playing nicey nice with Ann Leave her the fuck alone.
Burn the fucking bridge, burn the people that made the bridge.
Just stay the fuck away. Do your own thing. He
said he wants to stay in wrestling too, Joe. He
loves wrestling. He's passionate about it. Great, work on your craft.
Maybe throw yourself in your work for a little bit,
clear your mind, don't even think about other relationships, stay

(01:19:54):
away from all that for a while, work on you,
because clearly he as a person needs to rebuild.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
And there was, and there was a whole filled Like
a lot of the times in those situations where people
are actively being mistreated, a lot of that is because
they're looking for a sense of self and identity in
the person who is mistreating them, right. And once again,
that's not like a blaming that person thing, it's a

(01:20:25):
that's how humans are wired, dude, Like, who doesn't want
to be liked? Who doesn't want people to approve of them?
Who doesn't want somebody especially like if they're like, wow,
this person's you know, so pretty or this guy's so
good looking, Like, of course they want their approval. Of
course they want someone to like them and care about them, right,

(01:20:45):
And they will chip away at themselves, often to the
fucking point of where they don't even recognize who they are. Yeah,
you know, it's it's it's fucking sad. I mean it's
really it's a sad thing to hear, and in a
way it's also a reminder to me and I'm sure
it is to you to some point where it's like,
thank fucking god, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
You know they got married?

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Yeah, yeah, thank god. I'm just a middle aged fucking dude.
It's my what's my wife?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
And my gats with sixty four thousand dollars for Russellmania
next year?

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Yeah, I gotta buy fucking seven million dollar wrestling tickets,
you know what I mean? With all the money, well,
ww we gives them to us for free because we're
hills you know. You know. They actually called me the
other day and they were like, yeah, do you guys
need more seats? And I was like they it was
a whole fucking row, yes, sir, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Told Stephanie, look, I'll keep plugging surf Shark VPN with
code named steph for as long as you want, as
long as we get those second row sixty four thousand
dollars WrestleMania tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Yeah, we're not even asking for the first row or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
No second We're humble. We're humble.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Yeah, didn't you know? We're I'm everybody's excellency. We're all
in this together. Yeah, you know, but no, I mean
I have no idea. Yeah, how old this guy is?
I'm ninety, well not even ninety. I'm one hundred percent
sure he's younger than both of us. I hope that. Well,
I mean, no, you're right out there. Yeah, there's how

(01:22:13):
does he do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
The forty year old forty one year old man?

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
Well? I mean if well, let me also say this,
if a man in his forties was running around calling
himself a Kira as an indie wrestler, I would be
making fun of him. Not in the situation, with all
the horror that has attached to it, I'd be like,
come on now, fella, like you fucking remember us in power.

(01:22:37):
Stop it. Stop trying to appeal to the Kettos here.
You're fucking old geezer. But yeah, he's a younger guy
and this is something that, sadly he's going to be
forced to learn from. It sounds like he's already on
a trajectory to kind of get himself through it, which
is great. Whatever happens with Masha is now not you

(01:22:59):
or eyes called a you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Well, what happens with the rest? Okay, now, let me
ask you this, right, because we've seen a lot of pushback.
I mean, obviously we saw the Speaking Out movement firsthand
and people lost their careers from that. Do you think
this is potentially the end of Masha's career? I mean,
all these.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
From a WWE, from a mainstream perspective, potentially. I mean,
it's just because we have so many people. She hasn't
proven shit. Let's let's call it what it is. She
hasn't proven shit. And that's not saying that, you know,
we should excuse people from fucked up shit just because

(01:23:41):
they're you know, worth more money. But hello, look at
the world we live in, you know what I mean? Like,
tell you listen, how many how many kids did you
run over? Well? I mean, I don't know. Do you
hear that new song? Like that's unfortunately how a lot
of people operate. But if you's just some dickhead that's
playing songs at the bar and you have fun and
run somebody over, you go to jail. You know, I

(01:24:05):
don't know, dude, I really think the WWE was probably
not gonna fuck with her anymore. I think a lot
of that is because not just because of the stink
that's attached to it, but also, you know, they don't
have to. They don't have to put up with anybody.
Me and you were talking the other day, and I'm
sure I got a lot of fucking hell and and
in cells fucking salt in their Mangina's where we're saying, like,

(01:24:28):
look at the women that they have right now. They
have stars, they have likable people. Yeah, they don't have
to fucking play foot seat with anybody. And I'm not
comparing her as a fucking human being or her behavior,
but just her attitude they don't have to put up
with even a shitty Sasha Banks type behavior where she's

(01:24:48):
gonna pout and stomp her fucking feet and be a
cry baby. They don't have to put up with her.
So do you think that they want this? I'm gonna
go with no. I think they're gonna say, listen, fucking
twenty women who we know have their shit together and
we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Well that not even just that, but you got LFG,
you got NIL, you got n XT, Like they have
their own campground of people to pick and choose from.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
I mean, yeah, yeah, And I said, Mansha's young too,
but she ain't that young, all right? If this was
one of these twenty two year old girls, like because
let's call them with that, there's somebody these twenty two
year old girls that are right out of uh, you know, college,
twenty two year old guys, right, Not that they would
be pumped and thrilled. If someone was like, hey, there

(01:25:38):
was a thing online about the problem with the boyfriend
and they were in a bad relationship or a girlfriend,
they wouldn't be pumped about it. But wwe would at
least maybe give them a second chance based off of
the fact that they go, well, this is what happens
when you fire hire kids out of college. This is
what happens when what was this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Bad young behavior? Yeah, thank you, l one. She's twenty seven,
so yeah, she's closer to thirty than twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
You know, Yeah, this isn't a this isn't a young kid.
That's like, you know, when they're looking at some of
these college kids, right if somebody was like, yeah, we
had a bad relationships, like what were you nineteen? You
just left the house.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Not only that, but it's also the added stuff, right,
so look. The roommate also fired back when she said
she was taking accountability for her actions, and the friends
spiraled back, and he said, mutually destructive. Your soulful as shit.
Your teeth are stained brown. I've sat in cars listening
to you scream and threaten Alex because your buddies in
TNA said he stole your finisher. The only thing you've

(01:26:41):
done since dumping Alex is lose your hair and get
addicted to cocaine. You haven't self reflected for a fucking
second of your vile existence. He fucking loved you, and
you beat him like a stuffed pig. Fuck you, fuck
your rapist, boyfriend. And don't go worry about that thing
you've been hiding from the world for six years, you homophobic, disloyal,

(01:27:02):
unfaithful cunt. Don't ever speak of my best friend again,
let alone think of him with what limited brain cells
you have left firing off in your brain.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Wow. So so so we have a new writer for
w W A.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I was gonna say, or maybe Brett.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
You know, that's just damn Yeah, damn. That's somebody that
needed to get something off their chest too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Clearly, No, for sure, and then there's there's a lot
to that, and she didn't respond to it, I don't think.
So what do you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Say to that?

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
No, you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
I am rubber and you are glue. Whatever you say, Yeah,
if you don't know the end of it, google it.
But no, dude, Yeah, what the fuck? How did she
respond to that? How? What did you say to that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Nothing?

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Nothing, you got fucking absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
This is what she initially said. Sorry, let me clarify that,
So Masha initially what what triggered that response was? Masha said,
up until the beginning of this year, I was in
a toxic and mutually destructive relationship. We hurt each other
deeply and in private moments, failed to treat each other
with the consideration and respect that we both deserve. I
take responsibility for my actions, and I am sorry, embarrassed

(01:28:18):
and ashamed of the role that I played. This will
only be my statement, This will be my only statement
on the matter.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Well, yeah, and look like it's going to be the
only one, lady. Let's put it that way, right. I
don't think this is going to be the only statement
you got because.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Uh yeah, that tweet's been that tweet's been deleted, by
the way, just so you guys know, Yeah, I wonder why.
I know, crazy, I wonder why.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Because it just because it's because age supposedly the second
it was posted.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Supposedly two there's an investigation going on as far as
TNA and Anthem are concerned too, And I wouldn't be
surprised if WWE. Then, once again, I was talking about
this with Goof as well, wouldn't be surprised if WWE
is helping him with that investigation. You know, this is
just one of those things that, yeah, maybe maybe some
of this needs to come to light, not just for
the sake of a care but maybe even for the

(01:29:11):
sake of other wrestlers going through toxic shit, you know,
And even Lufusto earlier said I've seen this shit time
and time before, you know. And I'm sure there's a
lot of bad relationships obviously on both sides, but just
a lot of toxic relationships that happen with pro wrestlers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
People need to realize, and I'm talking about people from
the outside of these situations that a guy like this
where people are going to look at it and be like, oh, well,
why why would he He could just do iy about
desh and bah bah blah blah blah. It's like, man,
you gotta really look at where a lot of people

(01:29:50):
are fucking coming from. Like I said, we don't know
what this kid's life was like, we don't know where
he's coming from too. Yes, it takes two to toxic,
but there is a point where you look at it
and you go, people, some people are just not ever
going to be nor should they be prepared for this
type of shit in their life.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Yeah, well that's where we talked about what his toxicity was.
I really think it's just that, like he even self admitted,
I think it's abandonment issues. So instead of reading the
signs or even being able to see the signs he
took her pushing him away as a way for him
to cling on tighter, as a way for him to
get closer when she probably I'm not saying it would

(01:30:32):
have made anything better, but maybe sometimes when she said
get the fuck away, she really just needed somebody to
get the fuck away, you know what I mean? Like
that doesn't help either when somebody needs space or when
they need to hash their shit out, that you hold
on tighter and give them no fucking room to breathe.
It's got to be suffocating in a lot of ways.
But that again, is not an excuse to lay your

(01:30:54):
hands on the person you love. That's where I'm saying
the toxicity goes both ways. Clearly, her toxicity is unforgivable.
His toxicity deals with issues that he needs to sort
out of what a he's expecting in a relationship and
be how much is too much?

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
You know, being immature and insecure getting ruin a relationship.
But it also doesn't mean you deserve to get your
shit rocked?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Yeah, I think that's kind of is that an easier
way to Is that a way to say it where
it's like kind of summarizes it. It's like, yes, you
can be emotionally immature and needy and have your own
issues and need help with certain things, but that doesn't
mean that person gets to turn around and fucking beat

(01:31:41):
the shit out of you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Let me ask you this in a weird way, does
this make him more noticeable for a career in wrestling
now or do you think.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
I hope not just for this, I mean no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I'm sorry. Let me clarify. Do you think because of
his role that he played in this relationship, this is
going to hurt his chances of bettering his work relationship
with WWE or AW or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Unfortunately? Probably? Okay, I mean I'm not agreeing with it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
No, no, no, but I'm just curious because I mean,
we're talking clearly about Masha, but now looking on Kira,
you kind of have to wonder, since this is a
weird one and a half to three way street, like,
at what point does WWE just kind of look at
him too, or TNA or anybody look at him, go yeah,
we don't want to. We don't want this guy either.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
I don't think he was ever in the market for
something like that. Like I just and I'm not trying
to be an asshole. Like I've seen the guy's work.
I mean, he wrestled a fucking good friend of mine
two weeks ago, not even a week ago. He's just
kind of like a regular indie wrestler, dude, Okay, And
I don't I don't foresee it. Not that that fucking
means anything anymore. Like you said, like, aw, they give

(01:32:54):
regular indie wrestling guys fucking one hundred thousand dollars contracts, right,
But I I don't know if I saw that in
the future for him, And truthfully, I guess if he
even wanted this at this point, I don't know. I
don't know what you do. I don't know what he
would have to change. I don't know if he wanted

(01:33:15):
he would want to change. Truthfully, if you know, from
my opinion, if I was in his position, I would
even want to be less than the fucking spotlight. At
this point, I just be like, yeah, I just want
to go do shows and try to have fun and
like try to find what I like about wrestling again,
because you also have to remember this too, And it's

(01:33:36):
like it's funny because listen, you know as well as
I do ninety nine percent of people in wrestling, maybe
ninety five percent of people in wrestling. They're not fucking famous.
They're just not right no matter where. Oh this person's
a big star. It's like, no, you're not. No, they're not.

(01:33:56):
There are stars to some people on the fucking internet, right,
But for her specifically, I'm sure there are going to
be people that are saying shit to him, and people
saying to her, drop dead zero, get with the hero,
you were the big star anyways, like that fucking matters.
I'm sure that that's being seen. I'm sure even to

(01:34:18):
him when he was with her, there were a lot
of people that subtly or quietly or even gave him
the impression of like, how lucky are you to have
this popular girl as your girlfriend and yours just this
guy that does death matches on the indies. I'm sure
he felt that too, without having to read it, without

(01:34:40):
having to read into it, without having to have a
conversation with this guy, I can just almost picture that.
And I'm not sure of losing the chat here too,
but I'm sure she could attest to that. There are
those imbalance relationships and wrestling all the fucking time where
somebody looks and goes, oh, dude, Androtti and Charlotte Hello,
you know, like, oh, well, Androni is a good wrestler,

(01:35:01):
but Charlotte's headlining WrestleMania tadda, you know, like, oh hey,
Chelsea Green and Zach Ryder. At one point, Zach Ryder
was a big star. Chelsea Green wasn't as big of
a star. Now Chelsea Green's on television and Zach Ryder's
wrestling in fucking you know, Atlantic City now right? Well then, yeah,
but you see what I'm saying, Like that in it

(01:35:22):
itself is also a whole other, right branch.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Yeah, well, let's get ready to wrap it up. We
got Frank and gustamow the special pw I five hundred version,
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Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Yeah, I was gonna say, the only the only abuse
we're going to be dealing with tomorrow is our own. Yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
That's right, and it will be.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
For your entertainment in a non destructive, purposely entertaining way, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
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