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Let's go wrestling Zoo for a matureaudience. I don't develop wrestling soup.
I am Anthony Thomas, joined alongwith the Joe Numbers and special guests Phil
from Pro Wrestling Times. How's itgoing, guys, Hey, yeah,

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back at it here we are.Oh my goodness, we're halfway done With's
June. I guess it's so warm, dude. It's ninety degrees and all
I'm covered with is this weird spottyrain that we're having here just to make
it humid enough. And just billionsand billions of fucking cicadas everywhere. We

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live right next to the forest,right before O'Hare, and the forest is
just teeming with them. Like whenyou just drive down the block, you
get them caught underneath your windshield wipers. If you have your windows down,
they fly right in. You haveto go everywhere with your windows up or
else you're gonna have a shit tonof the these big, fat, fucking
insects. And I mean that bothin the figurative and literal way, just

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flying into your car, and they'regross, and they all smell like the
inside of a rotted tooth. They'refucking awful. They are dude, anyways
as well. I mean that's gotto be similar to well, I mean
that's kind of like going to anEndie show in the summer, just the
smell of it, you know,like outside between everything that phil here from
Canada? Right, yes, sir, what's the weather like in Canada in

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the summer? So I don't knowthese kinds of things. I mean it
depends where you are. But rightnow, for me, I mean we
got I got three fans going.It's starting to heat up a little bit
as well, and yeah, wegot stinky s bugs around here too.
Dude. What's hot up there inCanada? Fifty five sixty degrees? Well,
it depends, right, Like wemeasure our like our temperature differently,

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like you all use fahrenheit you weuse celsius or whatever. So if it's
like plus thirty, that's like reallyhot. I got to Yeah, it's
gotta be you know what. That'sgot to be confusing whenever you guys see
stuff that goes on down here,especially yeah, yeah, especially like I
do a lot of work with Americansand stuff, and I do a lot
of work like for American stuff,and it's yeah, sometimes I'll get called

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out for the way I spell thingslike you add like you spell color with
you. You use a U inCanada, but in America you remove it
right or like honor right. It'sh O n O u R or h
O n O R in America.So I get called out for shit like
that too. But it's a littledifferent, but not pretty. It's pretty
well the same from my experiences.Tesla Blanchard used to sell spell it with
the U, but now he justspells it with gees ah. So color,

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yes, but yeah, no,I mean, so, hey,
you think she's going to ever comeback? By the way, is there
any sort of read on are theygoing to eventually let her back into whatever
it's going to be where AW orWWE? Eventually that's gonna happen, right
WWE? I mean, who knows. WWE is making a lot of crazy

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moves right now. There's obviously thepay per view or the plee on Friday
here at Cicero with TNA and onNXD Cody Roads kind of let the the
name slip that next week Trick willhave matches or Trick's belt will be in
for first contendership in a Battle Royalnext week with people on contract and people

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not on contract with WWE, soit's kind of leading to that. There
was also obviously the hints at thepay per view and otherwise of saying like
Ashby Elegance and others kind of showingup from TNA as well, and they
did the crossover with the aw peoplewith Cody on NXT as well. And
then of course in Japan, whois it the one that Shinske used to

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wrestle with or he did that greatmudha Noah? Noah? Yeah right,
WW and Noah have their big announcementhappening this weekend while Clashed at the Castle's
going on. So I don't knowwho the fuck this company is anymore.
I mean, you go from theVince mcmon days where it's leave us the
fuck alone, nobody wants anything todo with you, and now all of

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a sudden they're in bed with noand Marrigold too. There's Marigold that they're
trying to get in bed with aswell, so it's like WWE is now
partnering up with Obviously they have someties with Noah, they have some ties
with Marigold, they have some tiesJapan, yeah, Jesus like everywhere,
like everybody wants to a WWE's fan, right or friend, I should say.

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And also Brooks Jensen showed up ata random indie show Josh Barnett,
So they had a bunch of WWEtalent at Josh Barnett's Blood Sport as well,
which just went down recently. ShanaBasler competed in it against Masha Slamovich,
which was a solid match and whichis essentially with the NXT Underground,
they just pretty much stole the bloodSport kind of thing. And yeah,

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so they have relationships with all ofthese companies and all of these different promotions,
and I don't know, man,I just see it. You're right
though, what a crazy difference ayear makes, right, right? But
it was like, yeah, likea year ago we still had Vince,
like or maybe a year ago,how long has it been now since Vince
has been like checked out, checkedout? Truly, it was like a

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lot longer than that, like sixmonths exactly official get the fuck out and
stay gone kind of letter that theyposted on the door when he tried to
come back. But yeah, forthe most part, it's just such an
odd thing because and I see abed or SDV Big Daddy STV says that
they need ratings. I don't evenknow if it's just that. I think
it's more along the lines of WWEhas been a global company for so long,

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but they haven't really done anything globallyon this level before. If anything,
it's almost as if WWE is nowwilling to under obviously the tutelage of
Nick Con, Shawn Michaels and TripleH and maybe even Stephanie McMahon. I
still don't know where she stands withthe company, even now that Vince has
gone. And obviously TKO and AriEmmanuel have this idea of well, let's

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make it for everybody, because Imean, well, isn't that another one
of the things too that's been kindof going on the pipeline as well,
that TKO Holding has interest in purchasingTNA. Don't know if it's just rumor
bound or if there's any fault behindthat, but that's been circling the drain
as well. Right, And Idid a show I was on Tuney Talk
Wrestling. I was we were talkingto Aunt Evans okay, and he predicts

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that TNA itself will just be gonein eighteen months. So I think that
it mean, it just gets absorbed. But here's my if I may,
let me throw this out. AndI wanted to talk to this about Ant
because he actually worked with the UFC. I didn't get a chance to.
But what UFC realized is that it'sokay. So what they didn't just swallow

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up every organ Now, they didswallow up almost every organization as far as
WEC and Pride and Strike Force andreal competitors for them, right or like
to absorb certain contracts. But whatthen, Now, what C does is
they're just like whatever, if talentare made in pfl or Bellator or like
these under leagues like that we showon fight Pass or whatever, we'll just

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let these leagues operate and then we'lljust have a good working relationship with them,
and then we'll just take the peoplewho are ready for the primetime.
As long as everybody understands this isprimetime and WW is the primetime when everyone
else sort of know your position,then I think that's what WW is doing.
I don't think they're looking to absorball these territories and everything. I
think they're playing the long game andgoing, look, we can let these

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territories do the right things. Andhelp influence them and things like that and
coach their talent. No, it'snot poaching the talent, but you guys
know what I'm saying. They cankeep an eye on who's popping. They
can send their guys who aren't readyto do indie loops. It only helps
talent like Charlie Dempsey go, Yeah, Charlie Dempsey going to Japan. It

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only helps talent like whatever person theysend from NXT to go to TNA and
challenge because that's happening, So itonly helps them. Brooks Jensen showing up
at Indy's, it only helps thistalent of the business, if you will,
and cultivating talent. And that's mybiggest problem with the AW Not to
make it about them, but theydon't just a TV show, like,
they don't cultivate talent they don't have. They're not even like helping the other

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indies out. They're hurting them.If anything. They don't have a PC
or a PI or they're not likecreating new stars. They don't do house
shows. They have nine Factory fora little while, everybody showed up there
ready for television. And you knowthat, like everybody there was already a
huge Star. Well, that's especiallyTony Kahan. He was well media trained.

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Here's the only thing I wanted tosay real quick about you bringing it
up saying that WWE was going toour are so that they're going to be
absorbed by TNA or TNA's going tobe absorbed. It's a WWE. This
isn't being heralded. Is a WWEmove. This almost has nothing to do
with WWE. This is interest bythe parent company in TNA, not by
WWE. So is it more likelythat they want to have TNA under thumb

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for a working relationship like they're doingwith UFC, or is it like you
said that it's going to be afarm ground for WWE, Because if it
is done by TKO, chances areit could just be like a minor leagues
to WWE, not necessarily a farmingsystem. Or it could be like the
old school stuff that they had wherethey had like Deep South Wrestling and OVW

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et cetera, et cetera, etcetera. Yeah, UFC has the they
have the wherewithal to treat this likea sport, which is and I don't
mean that in a let's pretended sportsNew Japan bullshit anyway. I mean this
in the same way that I amgoing out and I'm finding athletes and entertainers,
which UFC and Mike said this fifteenfucking years ago. Miss UFC stole

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so much shit from pro wrestling justfor it to even get to a baseline
of where it is, I meaneven now, not at its peak,
that when we look at it andwe go, well, why there's UFC
doing Because they know what they have, they gotta go other places. They're
not just going to be able tomake everybody out of a fucking old,
burnt out Barnes and Noble fucking warehousein Orlando, Florida. They know that

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they have to go find these people. They know that they and by the
way, they know that, Hey, guess what, Scripts, I don't
have to park Scripts in Orlando.That's fine. Scripts can go work some
fucking indies. And you know what, if he gets it, he just
so happens to get better. Great. But at the same exact time,

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I'm gonna say to these guys,and I'm gonna say to these girls,
listen, we're gonna let you godo this show for Josh Barnett. We're
gonna go let you go do theshow for whatever, dy, that's not
a fucking clown show. Just tryyour best to not get completely dumped on
your head or do anything too stupid. And we're fine with that, which
is the smartest way that they cando it. And absence makes the heart

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grow fonder. And also WWE's leaninginto that Mark thing where we're all speculated
I'm film marks. Okay, I'ma mark, so don't no one get
offended. But it's that Mark thingwe do where we all go online and
we're like, all the contracts andwhat's is? They are the a free
agent. But but but look atall the interests they've drummed up in Ricochet.
Is Rick or is he not?No one even knows. I love
it. They're leaning into that andthey are able to like, look at

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what happened with Naomi. Hey,she took off for eight months. Now
you're back. Now you're more overbecause there's like a big return and it's
a moment and the door is alwaysopen with WWB as long as you just
aren't an asshole and like burning bridges. And even if you do like Cody
smashing thrones of Triple H knockoff Thrones, you're still welcomed in. I just
want to say, though, mishto what you were saying about like the

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parent company. So I asked Idid ask aunt Evans about this. Now,
for those of you listening who mightnot know who Aunt Evans is.
Worked with UFC, he designed theirHall of Fame, he worked with brock
Lessner, He did media with blahblah blah. He went then and worked
with TNA and helped get He workeddirectly with Scott Demore right, et cetera,
et cetera. He was dropping gems. He was dropping gems on the

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show them. It was a fantasticinterview guys. Seriously, Yeah, yeah,
and I I have a funny storyabout that. Maybe tell later Aunt
though, So I asked him aboutthat. About Endeavor, they have a
vest earth there's the rumors that theyhave a vest interest because TNA is on
their streaming app and et cetera,et cetera. And I've been putting even
that narrative out there. Well,there's a monetary value that in TNA doing

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successful for Endeavor now, so maybethat's why we'll see more of this and
antwers not it doesn't. He waslike, to be honest, TNAS like
crumbs to Endeavor slash TKO. Ifyou're looking at the grand scheme of what
everything they have going on, TNAis like them being on their streaming and
things like that is just something thatis probably moot to them. It's just

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not even on their radar really.So he was like, I just think
they'll absorb it for the tapes andjust to like the anthem guys are probably
like they'll probably sell it before,like while it's hot before they keep just
trudging it along. Or that's sortof the way he was leaning towards like
that direction. And I don't knowif I fully agree with that, but

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he's like more of an expert thanI am, so I'll take his word
for it, you know what Imean. But I do think that it's
awfully it's off. It's an awfulcoincidence that like everything lined up the way
it did, and now it seemsas though Endeavor would have a vested interest
in TNA doing well, and itseems as though WWE agrees with that.
Do you think that's the better way? So, do you think that's the

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better ideal? That's the better wayis that it gets absorbed into the monopoly
that WWE is, or do youthink that it's better that they stand alone
as separate companies and underneath the sameumbrella, or both of you. I
think my way is the best Ithink my way is the best way.
But I'm a narcissistic fuck No,I'm just doing But I think my way's
the best way. You keep itseparate, but then you just have that

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good relationship where you can swap talent, rotate talent in and out like a
territory, like the back in theterritory days. And then you have you
give WWE access to the tape library. God, damn it. I should
be able to see all aj shit. I should be a thing's been on
a Legends deal this whole time.He's with Awn WWE. Like I'm sure
they there is to them. Thereis some value in that TNA and that

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ROH library. I think that RHlibrary is worth more than Aw's library.
Damn it. But yeah, Ikeep them all separate and just kind of
work with them, but like alsoinfluence them. Right rossi Ogawa said it's
because of Triple H. He wentand started like Triple H pushed him to
go and start Mary Gold and allthis stuff. So if they can have
good influences like that, keep doingthat, and yeah, just keep it

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all separate, don't absorb it.That's what I think is healthier for the
business. But I'm just a mark. I could be wrong. No,
it sounds amazing, guys, goon, Joe, well TNA also,
I mean, it's funny that theyare just a little engine that could forever
and ever. You know, ifthey are to get absorbed by TKO or
whatever, and they'll more than likelystill keep it as a brand and kind

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of let it do its thing.I feel like TNA at this point is
going to become a branch of NXT, if that makes sense. Like they're
just gonna say, hey, wegot some people here, a little bit
more seasoned, we got some oldertalent. We also have some people that
everybody hasn't seen. But you know, if we switch them in and out,

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would make him a little bit interchangeable. Also, by the way,
this really it's interesting how this cametogether. When Dolph left, right or
Dolf got fired. I guess AdolfHigler, yes, yes, when he
decided to leave. Yeah, he'sgone. Somebody else. You lost ash
by Elegance, you lost Dana Brookyou lost, well I did. We

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lost nxc's superstar Vince McMahon. Yeah, there's a few people. We lost
a lot, didn't you read it. I lost a bunch of kittens that
I let off of my play too, but we don't talk about that.
There's so I'm guessing, and Ithink when this all went down, No,
it was Ali, Yeah, MustafaAli too, when Mustafa Ali chose
to go there. I remember atthe time when that was going down,

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because obviously this was still it wasabout a year ago now as well,
where it was obviously well, dolphzebosover w wabs around myler's going. I
will gonna I guess I'll wager alittle bet here and say I think that
Dolph Ziggler and Allie knew something thatwe didn't know. Oh yeah, let

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me say that they knew something wedidn't know to where hey, somebody kind
of got in his ear and said, listen to this tea and anything.
It seems like it's a fucking joke. It seems like it's something that's not
going to be successful. Everybody's beenmaking fun of TNA for the past ten
years. But trust us, you'rebetter off there than you are with the

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fucking goof. So they started makingstrides. I'll be fair when they got
Naomi in there, because I wasthere to watch Naomi's debut in TNA,
which was great and underneath the Iguess I want to say again the tutelage
of a Scott de Moore, fora while there, the product was starting
to really kind of become a buzz. Joe Hendry, guys like that,
PCO others like. The shows werefine, they were fun. I mean,

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even though you were sweating your ballsoff in one hundred and eight degrees
Cicero Stadium, it was a greatwatch. It was a great time to
be there. And so it waskind of like they were starting to get
that back. And that's one ofthe things that TNA has, arguably in
my opinion, that AW doesn't have. Where TNA's lows are pretty fucking low,
their highs are pretty high for anindie. There are some actual memorable

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feuds, memorable storylines and angles andtimes in TNA that you look back on
fondly. I don't get that withAW. So if WWE or TKO or
whoever it may be, wants toemerge and have this partnership or this ownership
over TNA, even if the guysthat they sent in might have been Dolph
Ziegler and Ali and others, inorder to kind of like bridge that gap

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between them, which I don't eventhink they needed to do that, because
it's not as if TNA and WWEhaven't shared tons of talent over the years
anyways. But it's kind of thisweird thing that it's like if they do
that and maybe NXT and I don'tknow, looking at the ratings from Awa
you on Dynamite this week, thankstoo awful? Do you wonder if NXT
has become so big as a brandthat now NXTE needs a brand before the

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brand kind of deal. Yeah,the NXT to the NXT barnicle, little
fish attached to the shark needs alittle fish attached to it. Yeah yeah
no, But dude, I mean, miss you know as well as anybody.
I'm not one to ever make fuckingMeltzer esque excuses for anything involving a
w but I will. I willgive them a break, and I'll say

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it was Game three of the NBAFinals. Oh yeah. They were putting
it up like that's some real that'san actual competitive thing, like it's not
I had to be sarcastic in thepast, where it was just like,
well, come on, guys,doctor Pipple Popper was on. Obviously AW
can't compete with that. But it'salways an excuse with them. It's always

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an excuse, I know. Butthat's as it's fair. It's fair,
but it's crying wolf. They've done. They've cried. They've cried wolf so
many times that now it's a fairone. Nope, you don't get a
fair one, guys. And that'sthe problem with AW that I bring up
profusely ad nauseum, is that,listen, wwe can get away with if

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they fuck up and do a littleslip or do a little cheese. That's
okay, because the last three yearsthey've been hitting due, they've been firing
on all cylinders, so there's alittle something in there. Okay, it
gets a bit of a slide becausethere's good faith. We know that they
are actually putting their best foot forward, at least these last two years for
sure. And then but then withAW, it's like they've fumbled so many

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things they've had. It's been mostlytrudging through the ship to pick out the
good things and try and commit.So that's why when they do something poor
or awful, we it gets pointedout more because it's like glaring. It's
like a problem that's getting worse andworse. It's not here's this really good
thing with a couple speed bumps alongthe road. It's here's a fucking dirt

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road where you're flipping umping around andthen the second you hit a little asphalt
that lasts for two seconds and thenyou're back on this fucking bumpy ass dirt
bike track. You know what Imean. That's the that's why it gets
highlighted with aw And I don't givehim them a pass for the NBA thing,
and it is fair, you areright, but goddamn it, they

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cried wolf so many times that Iwas just like that. So they're such
an unlikable It's like the drunk guyat the bar that annoys everybody. Eventually
somebody punches him and you're like,well, it's not nice, and someone
punched him, But I and DaveMeltzer's come on. Honestly, I never

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forgot the moment when Tony Kahan tookit upon himself to chew out a Fox
Sports analyst for getting the numbers wrong. Well, was that like a couple
of years ago. It's yeah,but the demos. You didn't look at
the demos our demos. Demo demosare great. You didn't know about the
demos there. I was almost asgood as soda water. Just mesh.
We still haven't talked about him sayingthat I booked for the Oh we didn't

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even talk about that, all theSickos stuff. Yeah, I booked for
the Cickus. I'm like, please, what that's right? Because that happened.
Literally, we just did the showwith Marvin the Monster from last week.
If you guys haven't checked it out, check it up on the free
feed and on the Patriot Dot conferenceLash Wrestling Soup, and we were talking
about the fact that, oh,well, Tony's PR team is doing a

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good job because they've kept his phoneaway. He's been on the downlaw.
Yeah we did, we did.And as soon as we said, as
soon as the show ended, likeliterally the at midnight or two in the
morning or some weird shit like that, he just starts going on this tirade
about the Sickos. I do thisfor the Sickos, and I've learned that
the hard way so many times withaw that as soon as you start,

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even the young Bucks thing, Istarted putting it over like when they first
started healing, and then they didthe whole like they and then they pile
drive Tony and all that, andI was trying to find the good in
it. I'm like, well,look, and then they just prove you
wrong. They just step on theirown. They never missed an opportunity,
to miss an opportunity, and andthat's exactly it. Dude. You can
never go out and say, oh, man, Tony's been doing a real

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good job. He will make youregret those words. O fucking hell I
am. And it's always that way. As soon as you're like, oh
man, like this guy really isdoing good work, and the next like,
next thing, he's jumping through aglass plate a glass or no,
selling some shit or so it's youcan never ever give them the benefit of
the doubt, I'm telling you.So that's sad. Actually, well it's

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funny because somebody in the chats evebeen saying it is fair of me to
say, well, it is theNBA Finals, but they went from nine
oh three to six. Yeah,no, the show blows. I mean,
please, don't get it twisted.Right, I'm not sitting here being
like, oh, let me tellyou. Without the NBA game, they'd
have been crushing it, Like,no, the show sucks, ass,
it's fucking awful. That's the realcrux. If it was a good show.

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If it was a good show,people would have been like, oh
man, I'll just tape the finalsand watch a w But nobody's doing that.
Nobody's doing that. But that's whatI'm saying is if you were to
believe the hype train from the fuckingAW Bros, you would realize that it's
all fucking smoking mirrors. There's noactual substance to it. Because if AW

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was popular in the remotest iota ofrespect as far as wrestling fans go,
people would have watched that. Ifthis was the Attitude era and you had
the NBA Finals on and on theother TV was a Stone Could versus the
Rock and the main event of araw, I mean, it's a no
brainer which one's probably going to win. Are there at least watching it on
a phone, tablet, etc.Right, But that's what I'm saying is

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like, you have a different time, and I know everybody always goes back
to the Attitude era, but thisis the first thing that popped on my
mind. But you have something therewhere fans are literally chopping at the bit
to watch this kind of a fight, like it's been built up for years
and people want to see it versusthe NBA Finals Game three. Now,
I'm not saying that's not important.I mean, clearly, Boston, we
know that they're not going to bewatching raw. Yeah, just that month.

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I care about it. I knowit's like the important. We're the
cool people that like the US.I know this is important. Well,
I mean it's there only now theas soon to be the most storied franchise
in all of basketball. But likeI get that's, you know, not
as important as a Swerve making smoochyfaces that will Ospray. I know that
right right, I know that's notnearly as cool as like Swerve getting real

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close to him and being like babying. We're grinding so so excited. Oh
my god, I know, Iknow it's feeling. I mean, you
will feeling. And then will ollSpray was like step back, you started
a little crouch, Brough coming,Shroe, Pope, come and show.

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Oh yeah, I've been grinding,bro. So the actual rating let's let
me grind with you. Bro.We got the AW rating, we could
do it together. AW started offat seven hundred and eighty five one thousand,
and by the end of the showthey were at six hundred and eight
thousand. Ye, so mish,let me ask you something. Is that
counting the lead in and the overrungoofiness? Yeah, I'm assuming it.

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It is just assume. So yeah, because that's how they do. I'm
setting you up. I know whereI'm going for this with this, Okay,
setting you up for the fitness here, So yeah, it probably does
include that. So even with thosewonky fucking numbers, NXT still outdrew them
and at on Pro Wrestle Times podcastor PWT live show listeners, go check

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that out if you haven't yet already. But I have broken this down a
million times that even without the funkylead in and the funky overruns, cut
those out. Just look at NXT, look at Dynamite, and NXT's been
beating Dynamite in the ratings, butthis is the first time where it's actually
whoa, see, here's a biggernumber. And now what Dave Meltzer and
them are doing? Oh no,But in the key demo it was zero

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point two to three for Dynamite andthe key demo was zero point two two
for an XT. Therefore Dynamite won. That's legitimately. They published a fucking
article. I have a bookmarked.Okay, they published a goddamn article about
why Dynamite was better. I'm notjoking, man Alvarez. They're doing all

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the damage control already. It's insane, the coping and the melting down that
is going on X right now.And yeah, dude, even before this,
just if you peak, just takea peek at any NXT chart from
Wressell Nomics. Shut out Brandon Thurstonor whoever makes those graphs or whatever that
he was bitching about on Twitter.Shout out whoever does that. But if

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you look at them, the theNXT is always climbing or their peaks are
equal to aw's. But because AWhas that million people over a lead in
and the eight hundred thousand overrun,it greatly increases their averages. They're lows
and they're like real average. Ifyou remove these those things are way lower
than nxts regularly. And also it'salways it's also it's always a drastic shift

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like a bunch of people tuning outand a bunch of people tuning in.
All these big spikes. You lookat NXT's ratings and it's like a steady
climb and a little bit of wellthat downward trajectory, but then by the
main event, it's always peaked,dude. So that's how you book it.
That's what you want in wrestling.You don't want to load up the
front like Tony Kahn has to dobecause no one's going to watch the end
of the show. He's training hisaudience to go fuck that last album,

(27:30):
dude. That's what I was gonnasay, Philge. They're booking things completely
backwards, where all wrestling that I'veever watched since the beginning of time has
always booked to the main event.The main event is the end of the
show. It's the whole reason yougo to these fucking shows. But the
way that AW positions themselves because ofthe wonky numbers is that they put everything
up front and then whatever happens atthe end of the show happens at the

(27:53):
end of the show, like they'realready planning for failure. So they know
by now that the most important fansare the ones that can keep their adhd
in check for the first hour andthen they can go home if mommy wants
them to or whatever like it.Could you imagine that like a movie that
runs two hours, but the endof the movie happens at the one hour

(28:15):
mark, and then everything else isjust like epilogue, and shit, it's
just weird. Well, they're sick. I'm so sick. You guys didn't
hear me on Mark Maron's podcast.I took my hooking shet and I said,
here, I used to write itthis way, and then I flipped
it upside down and it's great.Did you guys ever hear that shit on
Mark maren where I used my chart, my graph. It started here and

(28:37):
then I was looking towards here,and then one day I went and then
I flipped it around and I waslike, oh, that's it, and
it's Tony. What the fuck areyou talking about? Dude? Mark Maron?
Sitting there? Who made me tolet this guy on my Why am
I talking to this guy? Ilike the idea of him being like And
then so I was sitting there andI saw a stuff cross a pizza.

(29:00):
I was like, what if Ihate it backwards? If I hate the
crush first, What if I Igot it? I got it? What
if I start a feud out withthe blowoff and that'd work backwards. There's
a reason why certain things don't happen. Hey, guys, I just want
to say, we don't have anymoney for the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're going
to open up a Papa Cons Papaconiz. Well no, well, you

(29:25):
know what, that would be perfect? Speaking of tense, Tesla Blanchard,
she wear perfect Papa Cons employee.She would she could use the old Papa
John the boss. They could befriends also, not to completely. I
mean, this is another good thingthat I noticed about talking about Tesla Blanchard
earlier. I don't think she'd goto NXT over ae W anymore because I

(29:45):
think NXT is probably a little toodiverse for her. Oh come on,
dude, she's not. I'm whydoes everybody painter is like this raving clue
klux Klan member. I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
she had enough of her bide.I don't know what the Maybe I watched,
maybe I watched your videos, herring divas videos. There's no swatzikas

(30:07):
on that body. Dude, dude, do you think she's not allowed to
go to WWE because they're fred SethRonald's will fall in love with her?
Oh he does attracted. He hasattracted those type of gals. He loves
the Nazis, Yes, he does, except for Becky Lynch. We don't
know how she got in there.I'm just saying, I'm just saying,
well, no, I mean Ibut in all seriousness, I don't know

(30:29):
if she would be able to goto NXT because the amount of people there
who are people of color that wouldsee her and be like, are you
fucking kidding? Honestly, if youwant to, they let come back.
Brother. I was allowed back inthe w W in the super Dome.
He's got a little bit more cash. They would, honestly, if anything

(30:49):
was really going to happen with allthe changes that are going on and Women
of Wrestling, I wouldn't be surprisedif they bring her back with the Tonga
Twins and all the other weird shitthat's going on with the changes. If
WOW is kind of doing their ownlittle bus flip, I don't know if
that's going to happen soon or not, but there are changes going on there
with Genie Bus and such. Ifthat's going to happen. I wouldn't be

(31:11):
surprised if they extend a contract backto her, because as much of a
prima donna as she supposedly was,or I mean, nobody's even talking about
it because I think there's a wholebunch of what NDAs that were forced to
be signed down there at the time. But if she shows back up and
wow, I wouldn't be surprised,would you, Oh, Tessa, Yeah,
she burnt a fucking bunch of bridgesthere. She also pissed off Genie
Buss. Yeah, but you don'tthink that you can apologize and get that

(31:33):
back. I mean, I thinkshe's dude, she's gotta be cuckoo enough.
She's got to. Let me tellyou something, Jack, All you
gotta do is slam body slam Andrethe Giant at wrestle Guys. I got
a plan. She's a real coolchick. What if video was what if
Tesla Blanchard? Phil What if TeslaBlanchard finds Jesus? Would it be okay?

(31:55):
Then? Oh see, I don'tknow. Here's my whole thing,
ready, you know I think thatshe I think that, how do I
think I don't think AW will touchher. I don't think they will,
and I don't I could see herjust potentially going back to like TNA or
Wow because I think things are changingin Wow, but yeah, or just

(32:16):
like working in Mexico forever and stuff. I just don't see her. Who
knows, maybe maybe whatever. Yousee that picture in the chat, that
hot racist right there. Oh Jesus, that's that hot racist. She just
hates half of me, just halfof me is she just wants to spin
on half of it. It justgrows. Whichever you need to do.

(32:38):
Everyone works, you dude, literallyat this point and watching the NXT pay
per view on Saturday, I didn'teven put this together initially, but the
opening women's ladder match, seventy percentof that match was where women who were
black. You can't put You can'tjust throw test a blanched into that and
be like, oh, yeah,guys, she school, You're gonna love

(33:00):
her. She's got too much stinkon her man, way too much fucking
stink on her to go. Didn'tshe make like pop videos? Is that?
Are you guys gonna get mad ifI bring that up on the show.
She dude, we've reviewed ar Fox'sgay porn video. Oh yeah,
And so who was the other guyto the one from the Lance not Lance
Archer? Was it Lance Archer whodid that? Did the gay porn?

(33:23):
Oh? It was a team sport. So sorry, doesn't know Candy had
to go. Oh he doesn't knowabout Candy. That's ultimate about a R
Fox is gay for pay porn video. Oh dude, that's the time most
classic at this point, Pizza dealsor is it? Like sure, no,

(33:47):
yeah, it was an amateur pornSo basically he was hired to have
sex with this candy model and thiscandy girl comes in there, and so
she makes him put on a blindfoldand during the process he's kind of like
worried about it. But this guy, this pimp or whatever, stand there
go home, put on that blindfold, put it on, and air

(34:10):
Fox is like okay, And soair Fox puts on the blindfold, and
then this other dude pops out ofthe closet and starts sucking his dick and
he looks he looks like the guylooks like Wily Mac too. To make
it even funnier. Oh yeah,and so he's wearing the blindfold, he's

(34:34):
got a he's getting sucked off bythis Willie Mack look alike, right,
and stroked and everything else. Andduring the point where he starts sucking the
other dude in the ass is blindfoldcomes off and he starts freaking out.
That's a man, that's not real. We're talking brother, right. No,
No, there was no stunt dick. No, that was air fox

(34:54):
in full glory. How are youfor real? Is he real a dude?
Or you're gonna realize you're sucking adude? No, you're explaining this.
This is like Forrest Gump. Okay, this cinema. This is cinema,
all right. So I'm gonna explainit like Kevin Spaceywood, Jenny had

(35:17):
to go not as Christ. Yeah, man, Jenny, she had to
go get AIDS. And now you'refucking for Bubba Gump Jesus Christ. So
allow me. I'll explain it thatKevin Spacey would. So what happens is
a r fox is a the wordto a room under the guise of having

(35:37):
intercourse with a woman named Candy.Candy says, I'm going to put on
a blindfold on you to make sexto you. Then what happens is Candy
had to go and A man emergesand starts giving oral sex to ar Fox.
Eventually a r Fox takes off ofit. He takes off his blind

(36:00):
and he realized, he goes,wait, this is a gent. I
was not planning on receiving oral treatsfrom a gent. And the man who
is running the camera says, Iwill put money in your pockets. It's
my friend, and he said aheadand stick the man. Hey, come
on, bro, man, weI mean we're gonna make it work for

(36:21):
a while. Man, he willgive you the money and you'll get to
fuck her afterwards. I guess Icould do it then from candy man,
okay, because she you know whatI'm saying, come back in and you
can take care of her, allright, all right, don't stick this
nigga man. Oh my god.Yes, thank god for Tony Khan when

(36:44):
he got hired, when he gothired and all this one. But by
the way, I only have noproblem even bringing it was an accident brought
up, and I have no problemmentioning it now because where's he been for
two years? He just got sixmatches and then they were just like,
okay, he's gone again. Likewe didn't want the guy to have any

(37:07):
problems because of this. It's justa funny video. Oh yeah, there's
nothing wrong with us. If youput anybody else in that video, Phil,
it's still fucking hilarious. It isactually because people are playing roles.
There's comedy. You got this bigdude who's just cracking jokes the entire time.
He's fucking this dude. To befair, that had better storyline telling

(37:32):
than the Devil thing. Oh yeah, Devil the big reveal. Let me
tell you the big reveal for arFox that it was a dude in a
do rag blowing him. That wasway more shocking, way more shocked.
Oh man, it was great.That was way more shocking than Adam Cole

(37:53):
because I mean, we all kindof knew. But that was good ship.
Anyways, where were we would well? Becky even mentioned that it was
funny because Becky even mentioned that inher own book too. I saw Joe
punch Is telling us about that,and I have her book and I haven't
read through it, but apparently shewent through it and talked about her time

(38:15):
and Seth's time at the Ring Divasthing where So I don't know if you
remember this though, Phil, backin the early days I want to say
early mid two thousands. I wantto say at the time that Mickey James
was still a Lexus, Laie Beckywas doing as Rebecca Knox. She was
doing the soft core stuff where shewould basically apartment wrestling. Do you know

(38:37):
what apartment wrestling is? Okay,I've heard about it and they're like,
oh, just look it up,and I'm like, send the link.
I'll give it, Like I don't, I'll give you this way to figure
out what this is. Not abig deal. So apartment wrestling is a
wrestling that's been around since fucking blackand white pictures and ship like, it's
been around for a while, right, And it's and isn't it like very

(38:58):
It's like you're saying softcore porn assorry, you're explaining it. You go
ahead. It's BDSM. It's basicallya lot of BDSM, a lot of
bondage stuff, putting other people inhold. Sometimes it's two wrestlers. Sometimes
it's somebody that pays to wrestle upagainst these girls or guys, and they'll
have these matches where there's a lotof crotch slapping, a lot of butthole

(39:20):
fingering, like a lot of pushingdown on the tits and choking and it's
this light BDSM work. But yeah, Becky used to do that shit.
Fucking Seth used to do it ina banana hammock. There's a lot of
wrestlers that you know, and somehowall that shit is way less homo erotic
on your average Atty Kingston match.Yah food porn, but yeah, no,

(39:42):
that's where she came from, andTessa did this exact same shit.
It was I think it was aboutfour or four years ago now, maybe
even five years ago now where Tessadid these series of I want to say
rape porns, but it's it wasn'tactual obviously they didn't show any rape or
nothing like that. But there wasthis thing where she was in no warehouse
and she was scared and there wasthis guy that came in there and he

(40:05):
forced her up against the wall andhe started shoving her around and ripping off
parts of her clothes. And that'swhat she was into. And that was
the kind of videos and you'd besurprised, you'd be surprised how many people
in wrestling have done shit like that. But oh, now is it?
Because there is it? Because thatthey're in wrestling and they're trained to take
bumps and they're essentially still people,if you will, depends on which kind

(40:30):
of buff you're talking about it all. Is that why they find that do
that on the side for money andstuff like as they're trying to navigate their
way through pro wrestling? Is thatwhy? Yeah, that's why they're getting
into it. Okay, No onewas discovered. Yeah, I found a
hot new prospect, an apartment wrestler. Yeah, dude, there was.

(40:52):
I mean, there were multiple indieguys that I knew in the early to
mid two thousands, as well asmany of our ROH and WWE favorites at
this people. This might surprise you. Kevin Owens, Kevin Steen not one
of them. But no, like, there was a I was actually a
little shocked that AJ Styles didn't havea couple of videos out there. I

(41:14):
think he might, Dude, didhe really? I don't know, man,
Dude, would you be surprised inthe next three to five years if
we find out that AJ was like, on the low, super christ super
Christian. Dude, he's so Christian. Those are always the guys, maybe,

(41:35):
but he's so Christian. He dida fucking country music video and he
did Vince Russo's Ring of Glory,like I mean, and then he went
to a Hole of Glory. Yeah. Well, the gay community, they
never underestimate. I am a firmbeliever in the whole fucking stereotype. But
he doesn't strike me as a fuckingI'm an alpha dude, Like I don't

(42:00):
like the boys, that just thewomen. Because Friday is leg like,
he doesn't strike me as one ofthose guys, you know what I mean?
All Right, all right, soit's not aj Let me ask you
guys, this valve is absolutely Ohhe was into porn, dude. He
was like legit into porn. Iwouldn't be surprised if he maybeest a few

(42:21):
d's on accident, like he thoughtit was Jenna's tits or something. I
was like, oh, it's apenis. Guys. Valvenus talks so much
about trans woman that he's and he'sgot to be. He's always melting down.
He's always melting down on socials.Man. I don't know what's what's
up with him lately. But Iwas a huge fan of him when I
was younger, you know what Imean? Yeah, because he's silly,

(42:43):
because he was wearing a towel.I got you is my greatest punchline every
d Bro. I'm gonna go listen, Bro, I got a ring of
glory, and then this is howyou make bro, It's how you make
money on the back end of theglory, all right, the whole Sorry,

(43:07):
that's the greatest bit of it.I'm selling it to I'm selling it
to both people. Brow Just listen. You're gonna get a lot of church
people and then you get a lotof people that got into it. So
why wouldn't I get bro? Whywould I ignore them? Why would I
ignore them? Bro? I getboth, I get both in him.
You think Vince Ruso got into that? You think you swung both doords?

(43:29):
Oh? Vince? You dude,there's no all right? Should we all
right? Oh shit? Okay,guys, what guys did md m A
in the late nineties and slept withother guys in the locker room? All
right? Vince Roussel fair her listBraving. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Wait, what is the criteria here? Yeah? Sure, I mean

(43:51):
they're all they're all rolling on shipand all fucked up. Yeah, okay,
so we're just taking a guess here, purely speculation yeah, if you
were to make a wild dart throwinto the I know, I mean,
I know we with ar Fox,that's enough of a shock. But you
know, okay, so Raven Raven, Yeah, I could see him getting

(44:13):
weird. Raven's a weird guy,being like, touch my arm. Well,
and there's always the Becky Bayliss rumorstoo, So Raven might not have
had so much scruples to begin with. So, yeah, he's a little
more drake than he is. Yeah, it just don't pull my ear from
behind the off guard. I don'tlike that so much. Let's see.

(44:35):
So now, dude, absolutely Valvenis so there is no doubt in my
mind the way that Valven is obsessed. Rob Conways. Oh well that seems
almost too easy. That's too easy. What about Simon Dean, Oh yeah,
absolutely, all right, that's Novaright, yes, Nova right,
yes, yes, yeah, he'sa super Blova all right. What about

(44:58):
Bill Goldberg? By the way,dude, that's gay. Don't do that.
He just strikes me. He's BillGoldberg is the type of guy that,
in his sixties probably still calls nanimateobjects gay. Oh yeah, yeah,
so I could see woh Nino springsup a good one. Bill w

(45:19):
CW. Bill Goldberg was basically sayingthat about dude, why is Brettart still
being gay? That's pretty much Ninosprings up a good one. What about
Rye Back is right back hitting theradar, Rye morelac bear Back. Dude.
Has anybody fallen farther than Rye Back? I mean, once upon a

(45:40):
time this guy was on TV wearingthe process for gold main eventing shows,
and now he's battling sixteen year oldson TikTok for likes you didn't contest or
some shit. Yeah no, bythe way, Bill Goldberg, because we
were going with diet Goldberg, thereshow that actual. So I watched two

(46:02):
episodes of the Fallow WCW thing,which, by the way, it's good.
Embarrassing. Oh no, it's fun. You don't like it. It's
sixty year old men being like,oh dude, it's like, how about
you were all jerk offs. Howabout that well twenty five years ago and
you're all a bunch of millionaires fuckingcrying shut the fuck up, dude.

(46:22):
Yeah, Like, it's it isabsurd, it's fucking absurd, but it
is really a reminder of what afucking dildo Goldberg is, Oh my god,
he sucks. God does he suck. He is just it's crazy.
All this time later, he doesn'tlike He's still sitting there basically just not

(46:43):
understanding business. What are you supposedto You're supposed to fuck with, hurt
people? What's going on? Idon't understand. Speaking of douchebags and the
fucking fall of W's. A coupleof days ago, Rick Flair blamed Eric
Bischoff, Vince Russo, and JimHurd for everything that went wrong in w

(47:04):
CW, and two days later heissued an apology and retracted his comments.
He wrote that a very important personin his life reminded him yesterday that Twitter
is the weakest form of communication.He wanted to apologize to Jim heard,
Eric Bischoff, and Vince Russo forunfairly judging them without knowing the inner workings
of the business on the corporate end. So he basically said that everything is

(47:28):
their fault. But I didn't knowabout the corporation ability to communicate as the
weakest form of communication. Hey,I'll tell you something. The best way
to communicate is to get a bligerentat a pizza place instead at the Funder's
Lena carry you when it comes tocommunicating, No, min got your bad
job me grannic. He backed outof the eighty three weeks episode as well,

(47:52):
so, and I'm not saying aboutit bucked out Root Flair, but
it's just it's kind of shitty thatthey were like, no, we're going
to go back and forth and hashit out, and then they at it
privately. So that's a good thingthough. But yeah, they got me
all drummed up and moist waiting forthat waiting for that podcast. It didn't
come out, but good for themat least, like they all communicated and
sort of squashed it. It seemslike, so that's good. But yeah,

(48:14):
dude, Flair is again. We'rejust we're bringing up fall from graces
here. His hasn't been like hishasn't been as bad as others, but
it's pretty bad. It's bad though. Yeah, he hasn't killed anybody,
so he's got some people. BetRick Flair's definitely done Molly and done some
weird ship would be oh. RickFlair is definitely s D. He's probably

(48:36):
sked a couple of animal d's too. I wouldn't be sprung. He's defin.
Yeah, he's definitely somebody brought ahorse to the after party. Go
with the flow, Rick, Iget Kim Coke from Maybe that's why he
does all the woo chicken ads.But depend word who, depend word whoa

(48:57):
scooter gram? Who? If youdrinking? Who? Living? Right?
What? Is he a cop?He thinks he's an ambulance. Now that's
funny, isn't That depends ad that'swhat you just played. I don't even
know what it was. I thinkit was for an energy drink, and

(49:19):
it depends. It depends that tryingto make depends. It could have been
for the boner pills, Phil,I don't even know at this point.
It could have been for a lotof things. He has a lot of
little commercial ventures that he does.So do you think that almost like a
Stephen King book, there was acurse put on Rick Flair to keep him
alive because he he probably, forhis own sake, should have died ten
years ago. I mean, truthfully, for his own sake. I mean

(49:46):
this is really there is something too. Like I said, it's almost like
being like a fucking cursed monkeys pawJoe. If you're going live and living
his life like that if you're goingby that case, and as soon as
they introduced him Rick Flair the realWorld's Champion, they should have just put
a gun at the back of thebrainstep like Bobby Heenan introduces him and then

(50:07):
just Rick Flair slumps over fucking Kennedyor something. I'm CHAMPI and You're like,
yes, keep at the flowers,look at the flowers. I'm your
bad. Yeah, that's true.Rick. Keep thinking that way, and
it's just just slowly alone, sodark, so dark. I'm feeling good,

(50:34):
everything good. I truly feel bad. I feel bad for the fucking
guy. But there is such thingas though, no, you don't.
Because when he went through the Eastsixty or whatever, that was when me
and you were like, man,this could be the redemption of Rick Flair.
He's clearly realized telling him that,saying I feel bad for him because
I'm a human being. Oh yeah, But that was the point though,

(50:59):
Phil like when he came out withthat documentary, I don't know if he
got a chance to watch that backin the day was one of the best
fucking documentary. Oh my god.It was so amazing and it was heartfelt
and it was real and It washonest. It was like you finally got
a chance to glimpse through all thebullshit that surrounds Rick Flair and see who
the person was inside and his lovefor his family and his sons, and

(51:20):
understanding that he made all these mistakesand you really believed, I mean this
was even before the Mark Madden stufftoo, you really believe that Rick Flair
was going to turn it around.And Okay, well you don't. You
don't have much time left go dosomething positive. And it wasn't what like
a year later that he was offthe wagon again and fucking swear it at
people on Twitter and shit and cussingout his co host and just awful,

(51:42):
dude. It was, well,this was one of those moments missed.
I remember when we had that conversation. In hindsight, I was like,
I forgot that you're not Irish.I was like, oh, yeah,
because if you're around Irish people thatthey will live their entire lives being like
this is the time, I'm gonnaget it together this time, and you're
like, yeah, sure, Brian. All the years of Dark Side of
the Ring and they still can't makea documentary as good as ESPN did.

(52:06):
That one time, that one fuckingtime, you know what I mean,
There's just it was just so welldone. They clearly knew how to handle
people that have Rick Flair's types ofaddictions and proclivities. So it was something
that they knew how to elicit theanswers that they wanted, and they made
a fantastic documentary. But yeah,I think that's when I kind of jumped

(52:28):
off the boat with Rick Flair.Like all the other stuff before then was
silly, Like a lot of theshit that he did, I mean,
even in WWE was just silly.But after that documentary, because you really
had hope, especially when he wasout there with Charlotte and even when he
was doing this stuff with Lacey,right, I think everybody laughed at that
for the most part, about RickFlair trying to get it in on Lacey,

(52:50):
this marine, this former fucking badassor whatever. But yeah, what
he's done since is he just choosepeople out now and he shits all over
people out of the blue off forno fucking reason. I mean, I
don't know, it's just he doesn'tseem like a good person inside. Everything
we saw in that documentary was thevery best that he had to offer,
and it was just a documentary.Well, as long as he stays alive,

(53:13):
then j Roberts gets to he getsto stay lower on the list,
and Brett to just people where you'relooking to just go, oh man,
how the fuck? How are theygoing? Are like? Why are they
so fucking miserable? Like you're like, oh, Rick gets to stay at
the top looking at the mountain rightnow. There's a lot of stuff.
Is he in the who Killed wCW? Thing? Or is he sorry

(53:36):
because I watched the first two episodes, but I can't recall is Rick in
it at any point? Or ishe one of the many missing because the
one thing with that show is there'speople missing, like Stings not on it.
He should be in it. Yeah, I don't think Flair is in
it, and I can't remember ifhe is or not. He might have
appeared for a second. They don'thave Hogan, so it's like hard to
uh, I don't know. It'sit is a good doc. Not to

(53:57):
bring it back to that, butit is a good doc. But yeah,
is missing Flair and and yeah,so that's why I was interested to
hear him hash it out with Bischoffas well, which is so unfortunate.
It's not happening. But I agreewith what you were saying, miss,
I think he's at a place inhis life where I don't know, Man,
it's like he there's like he wantsto convey that he's happy in all

(54:19):
of this stuff, but maybe deepdown he isn't or whatever. But I'm
not a goddamn what you might callit, a psychologist, psychiatrist, I
don't know. I just make funof the shit, you know what I
mean? Oh yeah, people keepdoing your commercials and doing your things.
Yeah, none of us do.None of us here are psychologists or psychiatrists.
We're just guessing based upon people thatwe know and habits that people have

(54:42):
had in front of us. That'sall Rick Flair reminds me. I'm sure
he reminds joy of many people he'sknown. I'm sure he probably reminds you
of people that you've too cross,you know. So yeah, Rick Flair
is unfortunately not special. But Idon't want to speculate, right right,
But that's what I'm saying, ishe's not special. If anything, What
really comes back to, or whatit really comes back to when it comes
to Rick Flair, is that he'sjust as human as anybody else. You

(55:05):
fucking know, there's nothing special aboutthe guy. He makes the same mistakes,
if not worse, and he's kindof a fucking a dumbass. But
that's just how people. That's justhow people are, Dude. He's made
well, that's it is. He'sjust at this point, he's made such
a good run being this guy.He can't he doesn't know how to be
anything else. And I think thatwas a big part of Like, when

(55:27):
you watch that documentary, there isa point where people get to a time
in their life where I'm gonna makea big change and you're like, good.
But also why, Well, becausehe lost a kid and his daughter
was growing up, and at thetime his daughter was already involved in another
serious relationship, that maybe he wantedanother grand baby. Like, there's reasons,

(55:50):
there's legitimate reasons, Joe, thatRick Flair should be very gracious at
this age. There's many reasons.The fact that wherever he goes, if
he wasn't a dick, people wouldstill pay him nothing but odulation, Dude.
They made a song about Ric Flairnot that long ago, with a
drip and fucking a coffee can orwhatever the fuck it was. There's he's
still a song, right, Butthat's what I'm saying is he's still When

(56:13):
people think of Ric Flair in thecasual public, it's always a good thought.
People don't automatically think of Ric Flairand go ah, what a fucking
piece of shit, curmudgeon old man. Like, they don't think of him
like that. They go back andthey think of all the good matches they've
seen, the funny promos they've seen, how much they influenced them or their
family or their parents or grandparents.Like, he goes down this big list

(56:36):
of reasons why he should be alegend, same way hul Hogan is.
Now you'll see a bunch of peoplecalling Hull Hogan out on all his lives,
like being the fourth bassist of Metallicaor whatever the fuck it was.
But it's like back in the day, dude, I wouldn't be surprised everywhere
Hogan goes. Even now, I'msure people are just like, what's on.
They're so nice. There's no doubtin myth the Shining Brother. But

(57:04):
the Internet isn't like people think thisall the time. They're like, the
Internet is not the fucking the world, and the vast majority of people don't
know the ship that they don't knowthe reason why some people in front.
Obviously, the Hogan thing was alot bigger than a lot of the controversies
that happened to anybody in the wrestlingworld. Like, for what it's worth,
like when Joey Ryan was trying tobe on the fucking Disney World's Ride

(57:29):
or whatever Disneyland saying, and peopleeventually caught on to him and got them
in trouble and got them fired,And shit, do you think anybody that
was coming and going on that shripfucking knew who the hell he was.
It was like a one in amillion shot. That's some random fucking smart
that used to go to PWG shows. We're like, is that fucking right?

(57:51):
Like that, nobody knows any ofthe shit. Nobody knows all of
the wrestling fucking nonsense unless they're reallyactually paying attention to it. Most of
them can move through life in afucking screwed up, shitty way and then
just kind of be absorbed back intosociety. And if you're I guess you
could say fortunate enough. No onecares, No one cares, rick,

(58:14):
No one Hulk Hogan. Do youthink Hulk Hogan's in Florida and Floridians are
looking at him like, hey man, we heard you say the young word.
We're real upset about it. It'sfucking Florida, fucking trash like they
probably cheered him on. It's Florida. Come on, probably like say it
again? You say, take theirphones out? Can you say, my
uncle? He wants to hear it, hulkster. Let me tell you what

(58:43):
the N in n w O standsfor. But that's how Cogan is.
Most people, that's it is.Most people just don't They don't fucking care.
They don't if you're famous enough,they don't give a shit. Well,
Joe, I told you speaking ofno longer being allowed at the cookout.

(59:05):
Brian Alvarez, Oh, I doyou know when I initially saw that
headline, dude, I was like, all right, so this is somebody
just not getting the Brian Alvarez issarcastic. Nope, yeah he did,
he just didn't know. Well,I'm going to play it anyway. So
Cody wishes him luck and the crowdpops, and then as he's leaving,

(59:28):
Truth says, hold on a second, one more thing. Fourth of July
is around the corner, Are youcoming to the cookout? And the place
goes nuts. I guess they havea local cookout at the performance center for
the fans. And Cody looks aroundthe place is going nuts, and he
says, yes, I'm coming tothe cookout, and they all go nuts,
and I guess he's going to thecookout. Yea. I love Dave's

(59:54):
response. Yeah, so Dave's justhaving the his flashback of all the other
cookouts he was never invited to becausehe's dressed like the cool skateboard back then
he was the other week there,the other month, he was wearing his
hat all backwards and skater boy dude. Wouldn't it be funny if somebody tried

(01:00:15):
to explain that to Brian Alvarez andhe just goes, oh, I get
it, and Dave Meltzer's actually,I don't get it. It would be
like if a Japanese person invited youto hibachi. Oh that's oh wow,
that would be real great. SoI don't know. I think I find

(01:00:39):
Brian Alvarez kind of cute sometimes whenhe says ship like this, this was
pretty funny. I'm going to godown in history, is like one of
the greatest things to ever come outof that dude's mouth. Yeah, I
got a kick out of it.But I don't know, are some people
triggered by this or what has been? What is? Have you guys seen
any feedback from this. I'm surethey're just laughing. Yeah, it's just

(01:01:00):
silliness. Brian Alvarez is a sillyguy, if you've noticed, especially over
the last I want to say year, there's been a lot of contention between
Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez. BrianAlvarez is starting to get a sack back
because there was a while there whereDave would say some crazy outlandis shit about

(01:01:21):
aw that just didn't make sense,and Brian was the go along to get
a long guy. And that's whatBrian's been for a very long time.
And I think me and Joe evenhad a discussion about this not that long
ago, where it's like, atsome point Dave needs to realize that time
is passing by and maybe it's timethat you give Brian Alvarez the control and
you take the back seat. ButDave's still in his whole alpha wrestling journalist

(01:01:45):
mode, and so when he saysweird shit or outland as shit that's easily
disp provable, like that SmackDown incidentright where he was, oh is that
the rock was on SmackDown and theyshowed him a clip and he thought the
clip happened after the show or beforethe show, and it turned out to
happen seven years before that, andhe just didn't realize it. It's shit

(01:02:06):
like that that Brian calls him outon now, or he'll call him out
for that now, whereas before hewas just oh, yeah, Dave,
sure that happened, no problem.So I don't know if Brian is just
kind of getting sick of Dave Meltzer'sviewpoints or thinks that Dave is kind of
losing his mind. But it's almostas if Brian is at least standing up
for what he believes is right.Whether it's right or not is of no

(01:02:28):
concern discussion, right, But theidea that he's not just going to buy
into all of Dave's bullshit, Yeah, that's commendable. I'll give him points
for that. Absolutely. Yeah,me too. I said, you can
only keep up the charade for solong as far as you can only sit
there and bo let Dave bullshit andjust smile and go for so long before
every man has a point where they'relike, no, I'm gonna push back

(01:02:51):
a little bit. Well, rememberwhen it was getting to the real tail
end of Shannon Sharp trying to havea show with Skip Bayless. Oh man,
We're like, Skip Bayless is justyou haven't said anything. This may
send in twenty five minutes, Skip, I have no idea what you're talking
about. Like eventually he was justlike, this guy's too fucking stupid.

(01:03:12):
I can't I cannot deal with thisman anymore. And I think he's probably
getting to that point where, foranother example, when Steven A. Smith
did that to Skip Bayless, Ohmy god, yep. Well, no,
there's there is a point where I'msure that Alvarez is sitting there,
he's seeing all this. Yes,Alvarez sees all this shit, I'm sure,

(01:03:34):
and in his mind he's going,I know better than this. I
am not this fucking ridiculous. I'mnot going to let myself be made a
fool via association. So I'm gonnado what I can to try to let
people know I swear I'm not thisdumb like I swear I'm not this removed

(01:03:57):
from reality. But also it's justI'm mixed that with Alvarez. That's how
I feel a lot of these fuckingpodcasts, people that went through five years
of putting up their picture of TonyKahn on the wall and standing for him.
Oh, I don't fuck it.I don't care Like I'm like you
already played this game of thinking thatthis ship was amazing and how great it
was, and you all worship bythe way ah worshiped Dave. Yeah,

(01:04:24):
well, Dave, we talked aboutthat before too. Phil. Were you
one of those guys that subscribed tothe newsletter once upon a time or listened
to Wrestling the Observer live or evenlisten to Brian and Vinnie back in the
day. Absolutely, yeah see,And it's is it? I guess I
would definitely say this too. Doyou feel more disheartened by his fall from

(01:04:45):
grace for the last five years withhis hot takes on aw and wrestling in
general, his star reviews kind ofbeing popped open there by Van Fleet or
Van Valet, like all the embarrassingmoments that Dave has had over these last
few years. Does it Does itkind of make you wish for a different
Dave or does it kind of makeyou feel like Jesus Christ Paying attention to

(01:05:05):
this guy was a mistake from thestart. Well, an absolute gigantic portion
of my YouTube channel is at proWrestle. Cliffs by the way, is
doing a segment that I like tocall Dave Meltzer's dumb moment of the week.
Yes, and it's actually a compilationof multiple moments, and the segment

(01:05:25):
happens more than once a week,So that's I was gonna say, that's
you're gonna get in booked for more. Though again, if he ever hangs
it up, if he ever hangsit up, I have a whole well
of fucking past stuff too that Ican get into, and so I'm good
to go for that. So I'mcool. I'm cool if he keeps doing
him, man, I'm gonna keepmaking fun of it. I'm gonna keep
laughing. I'm gonna keep having agood time and just taking the piss because

(01:05:48):
it's pro wrestling, you know whatI mean. And I don't know.
I did used to listen to himthough, for sure, and I used
to because it's because of Dave.Like when he's all this seven star Omega
Okada match that made me really startpaying attention. Okay, I gotta pay
more attention to Okata and Tetsionaido andthese guys like I was always familiar with
them, but it was like,I need to really start paying attention now

(01:06:12):
because this guy's saying this, andhe's sort of the plug for oh I
never heard this name before, andhe'll don't give you an example game and
thinks, so, Dave's good forthat. But at the same time,
I don't think he. I thinkright now he's so far up his ass
and so invested in aw that everythingelse has now taken a back seat.
He's out of touch. He's noteven actually hip to the shit, he
admits. He just fast forwards throughraw and shit like that. He's not

(01:06:34):
even really watching the stuff. Hisagenda now isn't hey, let's help this
wrestling thing explode or let's and backin the day he had an agenda too,
That's what Bischoff points out. Asfar as he was always stitty towards
WCW and WWF more equally, though, but now you just see there's a
clear bias. He talks about howhe texts Tony during the shows, their

(01:06:59):
buddies, right, He's he's alwaysaccurate about a w ship because they tell
him, and they like to tellhim because Tony loves being able to He's
a Wrestling Observer contributor since he wassixty or as he has. When he's
all, I know this to betrue about ae W, that's yeah,
no ship my wife told me wasa for launch yesterday. We know.
But that's why that's that's why he'swrong about w W all the time,

(01:07:23):
because then they feed him bullshit.So that's where who in w W E
is going to risk any level ofTesty Taylor, test who anymore that's in
that locker room is thinking to themselves, Oh, I gotta feed information to

(01:07:45):
Dave mouths. Certainly they don't care. Here's the thing I was going to
bring up. I mean, goingback to how long you've been listening to
Dave. I remember downloading weekly episodesof Wrestling Observer live on kazah. That's
how far back I that's where wegot the kaz R. It was like

(01:08:08):
LimeWire, frost wire or frost Yeah. Well that's like Van Fleet's the whole
thing that happened. And Dan justbrought that up. The whole thing that
happened with him and Meltzer where it'sthat guy he is and me and Mesher
were actually talking about him earlier.He's like the Mario Lopez of pro wrestling
media, Like he's just if you'relike that Mario Lopez, I hate that

(01:08:32):
fucking guy. Why Mario Lopez?That's how I feel about him. And
even he's David, You're a moron, right o, Joe. That's the
big thing about him is he's avery safe medium, Like he has a
lot of connections, he has alot of views, a lot of eyes
on him. But I think it'sbecause he really is a family friendly show.

(01:08:55):
He's a family friendly interview. Youcould listen to Chris van Vlieten work,
maybe not so much Pro wrestle Timesor a wrestling souper Marvin the Monster.
Like there's a lot of shows atwork, players at work that'll be
good for you. Yeah. Yeah, if you hate your job and markets
and all, if you want toquiet quit play us at work, there
you go. But yeah, no, for the most part, he shaped

(01:09:16):
so much of the business. Ithink that's where the real problem comes when
you try to form your opinion nowof Dave because it's almost even if you're
talking about the Dave from twenty tenor talking about the Dave from two thousand,
it's a completely different person. Idon't think Dave Meltzer from two thousand
would like to know that this isthe guy he is in twenty four years.

(01:09:39):
I think he would hate himself forthe most part. But I think
this is one of those points fromyears ago when this whole thing started happening
with Meltzer and people going, oh, Meltzer stands up for a Meltzer has
no choice but to stand up forhim because this is his exact vision of
wrestling. Yeah, this is whathe wanted, this is what he created.
He and then you just see itlike he's put so much into Osprey

(01:10:02):
as well, like just whatever youwant to call it, ball washing,
hoping for him whatever, I don'tknow, creating a narrative, the agenda,
the Osprey agenda that's clearly there.Yeah, he's I think he's proud
of himself and what he's doing now. But yeah, I think, well,
who knows, I don't know.It's all speculation, but I definitely

(01:10:23):
think that there's like a shift happeningwhere people who just speak truthful and are
able to make jokes about this,or like more people take that more seriously
than the folk like Dave, whoI don't know, man, it's just
clearly, it's just clearly an agenda. When you start clearly having a fucking
agenda right in front of people's faces, they just rejected. It's happened all

(01:10:45):
throughout history, you know what Imean. So I don't know. It's
kind of I don't and it's nothelping. So at what point does Dave
not realize this is how much ofI don't know. I'm not again,
I'm not a psychologist. I don'tknow. Is he is it narcissism,
is it socio pathy? I don'tknow. The motherfucker. It's not helping
Aw's cause. So at what pointdoes he go, yo, I'll back
down. I'll stop leaking their shit, I'll stop piping in and going.

(01:11:09):
No, Osprey and Omega are actuallyworking an angle. It's based around me.
That's what he thinks, and Idon't know. It's just silliness and
it's not working. At what pointdoes Tony Khan go, Yo, this
isn't working. You need to backdown. And it's because to bring it
back to the tweet from earlier,he doesn't care. It's just the sickos.
Yeah, Sicico, he just wantsthe sickos, So let him have
the fucking eight hundred the seven hundredthousand sickos. Do you not think also

(01:11:33):
the rating all they went up againstNBA, But okay, you don't think
that him tweeting out, Oh Ido this for the sickos that didn't turn
people off the show. I don'tknow, man, I think that shit
could have an effect as well.And yeah, I don't know, man.
It's just the focus is clear.This isn't to even compete with WWE.
We're just gonna make believe and telleveryone that's what we're doing. Fuck

(01:11:55):
and we're just gonna cater to thesickos that would watch good matches. If
they just want good matches, youcan get that anywhere. They were already
watching good matches. They were justlooking up PWG or looking up Ring of
honor looking up New Japan, andyeah, it's also good matches under their
This is their belief of what agood match is too. This is what

(01:12:17):
which by the way, it's likeanother Yeah, it's another one of those
things where they're like Will Osprey,he has amazing matches. I'm like,
all right, name one valuable feudthat he's had that drew money in a
country that fucking can payne And Icall it move porn. They just want
move porn. They just want tosee people do athletic and me too.

(01:12:40):
Here's the thing, I like,I was a huge Young Buck fan back
in the day. I was manAnd this is why I'm gonna explain.
I'm gonna explain why Aw's falled offso much too, because this whole indie
style where like, oh, abunch, it's like a supercard where it's
just a bunch of great matches andpeople pop up and oh, there's like
a trios and then the main eventwas like a crazy death met or whatever.

(01:13:01):
That's cool. Randomly, oh shit, randomly in November, did you
see that one card? You justwould look it up on the internet before,
That's all. It was like iffucking John Moxley showed up at like
GCW and wrestled Penny Omega or someshit, we all would have looked that
up if it happened in Japan orwhatever. So to do that every week,
you just can't. No one's reallyinterested in that. Yeah, and

(01:13:25):
it's like an indie thing, Sowhy didn't Why don't you guys run indies
And that's like your house show loop, just call it aw Indy's and just
go run indies that aren't even reallytelevised, and then every few months you
do a big supercard pay per view, and then that's what the business is
because the TV to be a TVshow. They're in business TV show.

(01:13:46):
They just want the adulation, Theyjust want the praise. You bring up
the young he just wants to bewa not even just him, even the
people he surrounds himself with, guyslike Chris Jericho. I don't even think
care about the business anymore. Guyslike Chris Jericho just want the props.
The young bucks just want the props. These people that he surrounds himself with
are just in an echo chamber oftheir own farts. That's all it is.

(01:14:11):
Well, the Jericho thing too.Two things about it that just two
theories about it. First, theone that I created, which I think
is still fucking crazy and funny inits own way, where Chris Jericho's passive
aggressive gimmick where he's just yelling anddoing this this is his reaction to,

(01:14:32):
how dare you don't like the factthat I'm out of shape and have bad
matches and sexually harassed women? Howdare you not like me for that?
Or the other one, which isJohn pointed this out to me and I
was like, holy shit, Ididn't even think of this is Jericho's whole
act here, some sort of wayof him being able to once again passive
aggressively make fun of Punk, beinglike because it wasn't that the thing that

(01:14:57):
they were all angry about punks?Shit, dude, that's an awesome theory.
Holy fuck. Because they were allmad about Punk walking around and being
like saying, oh, let mesee if I can help people, Like
it was like, how dare youthink you can help people? How dare
you think you know something better thanother people? So why wouldn't Jericho do
something like that because he thinks that'sfunny kind of piggybacking off that I wanted

(01:15:23):
to kind of transmit over to someother stuff too, but with the punk
thing, let me ask you this, and I know you're going on with
the Jericho stuff. Ricochet's big outmoment this week was when bron Breaker was
fighting him in the back and bronput him through the windshield of MESUV And
the first thing that the Internet eruptedwith was that's real glass. They put

(01:15:45):
him through real glass. Did youguys get a chance to see that?
Wrong? Of course? What yourthoughts? What was your feedback on watching
that? Well, how about justthe fact that, okay he did let's
just say, all right, let'sjust take this and this isn't what about
ism, this is just it iswhat it is. Bron Breaker is a
guy that they're trying to position asa gigantic, fucking star. They're going

(01:16:09):
to want bron Breaker to become kingshit, all right. Ricochet is a
dude that is going to leave andprobably get two or three million dollars out
of Tony Kahan because he saw amatch that he had with will Osprey where
they did really cool gymnastics together.So he's out of there. Bron Breaker
is getting built up. So we'regonna do a spot. It might be

(01:16:30):
a little reckless, it might bea little ridiculous, but the payoff on
this is this guy is getting sentout in a fucking ambulance. We're making
a big deal out of this.His girlfriend is running who By the way,
the audience has an emotional connection tothe girlfriend as the ring announcer,
so it's not like she's just somerandom fucking broad. They all know who
she is. They all love herright For the most part. It's wrestling

(01:16:53):
fans. They hate Jesus and hateBatman if they could, but everybody there
has some sort of connection to her. He's getting rid off the show or
written off the show, and thisguy's getting a huge push, So we're
doing something, but there's an actualpayoff to it. What Jack Perry more
than likely wanted to do was getput through a fucking windshield and then get

(01:17:13):
up into a kip up and abackflip and a fucking cartwood and then wrestle
three days later. So there isa huge fucking difference there. Whether people
want to you can say that's alittle bit he gave, but he engaged
big. Well, everything in wrestlingis dangerous. Everything in wrestling that happens
that involves any sort of bump isnot fucking It can always go poorly,

(01:17:36):
but it's a risk reward situation,all right. When a guy used to
get piled driven and DA's talking abouthim blown out, his fucking asshole doing
a pile driver on a ladder fuckingten years ago, not even five years
ago. That could have been amajor fucking part of a storyline where a
guy got taken out on a stretcherthat was like a transition spit in a

(01:17:59):
sh shitty ladder match on a shittya w pay per view, and this
guy blew his fucking corn hole outand now he can't wrestle, so there
was no point to him doing that. There's a big difference between that and
I just piled drove a guy andtook him off TV for three months and
now I'm getting a big push.And the fact, yeah, and the
fact that people can't tell the differencebetween those two things, lets you know

(01:18:20):
that they don't understand what a storyis, how fucking gimmick works, any
of it. Their knowledge of wrestlingis very fucking baseline. Yea. And
it's just cookie, you know,kookie, Cookie is justin' COOKI so that
cookie is a fucking chips ahoy that'sstale and shitty and has been sitting under
a fucking wheel well for three weeks. And that's a nice fresh baked chocolate

(01:18:45):
COOKI ishin' cooky just dipshit. That'sone of my biggest criticisms too, is
that Tony Kahan storytelling is repetitive andit's very elementary, And as somebody who
works with storytelling every goddamn day,it's just what you were saying. There
are beats to a story. Thereare certain things that need to have My
biggest promised swerve is he invaded agoddamn baby crib and we haven't done anything

(01:19:11):
to redeem that. Oh but hegot beat bloody and showed a picture of
Nick. Okay, that doesn't makehim not invade. That doesn't redeem him
for invading a baby's crib. Youknow what I mean? We had where
what the who's writing this ship?There has to be Yeah, but was
the baby yeah? Yeah, butdude, was the baby and a drone?
Oh yeah? Because yeah, maybea baby was Did the baby have

(01:19:35):
a Roman Raine shirt on? Becausethe baby like John Cena? Because then
it's okay by all means Jesus five, that fucking baby, take care of
it. Dude. We got Canadiandestroy yet this is aw so we got
clashes Castle on the fifteenth. Wantedto bring this up before we get ready

(01:19:55):
to bounce out of here Saturday.I'm not exactly sure the time. What
is the actual time for this?You don't know the Scottish time, No,
I don't off the top of myhead, like the Scottish time.
Isn't it like eleven in the morningor something like that or seven in the
morning. It is at eleven amEastern for the kickoff? And yeah,
so that'll be I think I'm Centralstandards, so that'll be like nine for

(01:20:17):
me right for the kickoff. Soyeah, awesome. So in Glasgow at
the Ovo Hydro, and we gota few matches on the card already,
Biyonca Blair and Jade Cargill reigning championsversus Alba Fire and Eila Dawn versus Shana
Basler and Zoe Stark. And beforethe show started, myself and Phil were
actually talking about the Alba Fire situation. Her mother and her father were in

(01:20:41):
a car accident at the airport andthe mother was killed, right, and
so she's kind of going into thiswith her mother kind of passed, and
this will be interesting to see whathappens. I didn't realize how long ago
it happened because it's kind of poppingup over the news feed now so I
thought this was more of a recentthing. But I guess Phil was saying
that the father kind of pulled through, but obviously the mother did not.
So but this is the triple threatfor the Belts, I houde they should

(01:21:06):
just make this just to get themout of the match. Don't have to
go wrestle, That's right. Imean, I feel like I think she
wants to and do it in thehonor of her mother, and so I
don't know, I'm just saying,Albert put Alba, let her pint her
pins always stark, and then Jadeand Bianca can spur off into a feud
about how oh they blaming each otherfor losing the belts or whatever. That's

(01:21:27):
what I do if I had thepencil. But I'm just a mark.
So yeah, it's just at thispoint, I mean, Jade and Bianca,
you keep this, they need tokeep that then going, just keep
it going. And if she wantsto wrestle, good. I don't know.
I don't know if I'd be builtlike that in my mind, whould
just be like my mom just diedfour days ago, and they're like,
we'll get out there and have yourfucking wrestling match. But yeah, no

(01:21:49):
thanks. But if she's out there, I mean, we know Jade and
Bianca are just keeping this. Idon't think they're switching it over to Fire
and Dawn or don Fire whatever.I'm just ready for heel fucking Bianca already
me personally, but oh give ittime, let me. I mean this
is this is to help Jade.There's two ways to look at this.

(01:22:11):
I mean, I think that theyshould get the belts off of them because
I think that they're more valuable Biancaand Jade as single stars right now,
because the women's division is in direneed of some fucking powerhouses. Jade aa
though, dude, she's more readythan a lot of the girl who you
gonna have Live What is she gonnado? Fuck dry hump Dom some more,

(01:22:31):
dude. The funniest thing that happenedon fucking Monday Night Ross was when
Zelina Vega grabbed her and started whoopingher ass when she was on top of
Dom and then forehead comes out grabsliv Morgan and for the first time,
for the first time in the historyof Live Morgan's career, did I actually
pop at her? Because she turnsaround at to Elena Vega while she's being

(01:22:51):
dragged off and says, let meat that old bitch like Selina Vega is
a thousand years old or something.Let me add that old bitch and not
even I think Selina Vegas is youngerthan live I would do she called her
a fat bitch. That would havebeen really fun. Oh yeah, yeah,
because that's what But yeah, No, I think the women's division is

(01:23:14):
in dire need of some powerhouses.And if you do something like you said,
Phil, where you have all thego over Zoe, that's perfect because
then they technically didn't lose the tagteam titles themselves, and you can still
have them as a tag team andin singles action at the same time,
whereas if they're walking around with thetag team belts, they're forced to just
be a tag team, you knowwhat I mean. So I think that

(01:23:36):
you gotta look after Jade. Yougotta look after Jade. The act works,
it helps them out. I'm notsaying split up the team. I
think you're misunderstanding me. I'm notsaying get rid of Jade and Bianca at
all. I'm saying if they don'thave the belts on them, then it's
not their concern to be the forwardof this tag team division. Then they
can still have matches with these othergirls and make them look start strong and

(01:24:00):
have Jade kind of learn the ropes. But at the same time, we
can have Bianca back in the singlescontention again. I know, man,
I'm not trying to kick somebody whojust lost their mom. But let's be
real, those two are not stars. They're not stars. If they're trying
to build some sort of if they'retrying to take these titles and make them
important and make people go, ohshit, these are really worth something,

(01:24:21):
then they can't pick two girls outof a fucking It sounds like a fan
fiction for some sort of I know, yeah, it's true. I just
think that they're like a true They'rea true tag team, Like they've been
a tag team for a while.They were called up as a tag team
people. Most people identify them asa tag team who are more familiar with
them, And I've just been abig proponent of like that division needs a

(01:24:44):
bunch of fucking tag teams, LikeI want to see the fucking heavy machinery.
I want the Road Warriors, butthe female version do you know gushed
out with real teams, not justtwo single ladies who get put together because
they got I think those two girlsare the closest things we'll get to the
robe. They don't have the pollto draw from those guys. They don't
have this big pool of women tofucking make up all these tag teams from.

(01:25:09):
That's the problem. In a perfectworld, they get rid of these
tag team titles all together, getfucking rid of them, and go back
to just singles competition. Because that'sthe real issue with the women's division.
It's not that they don't have stars. They have actual stars, and they
have people that they could groom intostars. But this tag team division is
like the slow kid at fucking church, like everybody forgets about them once the

(01:25:30):
lights go off. Nobody wants thistag team division. It doesn't do anything
for them. And there's only whattwo three real tag teams in the women's
division. Maybe, so it's like, why don't we just get rid of
these belts because everybody else is atandem tag team and let's just go back
to bolstering the singles women's division.That's what I think they need to do.
Maybe if they get rid of thosebelts, then Tony Kahan will make

(01:25:51):
his rough tag team belt. Ohgod, and he'll give it to Orange
Cassidy. The women should I alwayssaid, the women give it. I
always said the women's tag thing inw W should be once a year.
They do the like essentially the DustyClassic, where women compete in a women's

(01:26:13):
tag tournament for a cup or something. Yeah, they called the Busties Classic.
I like that, called the BustsThey're like certain only certain cup sizes
apply. Notice is like, ohyeah, yeah. So instead of a
heavyweight division, it's like a decupdivision. Oh new titles here on Wrestling

(01:26:38):
soup everybody, the chest division,the Chesty division, the Flatos. Now
we're breaking into the UFC. Ohyeah, flyway like the Bozonga Way.
Al Bundy can present. Yes,Lucid Dreams says the Triple X division.

(01:27:02):
Maybe if they bring back Mandy Rose. Huh all right, right, well,
Ricochet is leaving. He had avideo too, right, He's going
to have another one. Christ comeon, you got another one for me?
You didn't know. Oh there's avideo of Ricochet's a video of Ricochet
playing in his fucking butthole like aslap base. Oh yeah, full fist,
five five fingers, man Rosy inthe five. Yeah, for sure,

(01:27:26):
he's doing shadow puppets in his butthole. It's something else. Yeah,
I think he's well, I'm waitingfor him to go to a W and
MJ. Have to play that onthe big screen. Have Max cast to
write a wrap for it. Yeah, fisted. Next match we have up

(01:27:47):
on the card is Cody Rhodes versusA J. Styles and I quit match
for the undisputed w W E Championship. Yeah, come on, yeah,
come on, come on. Well, I mean clearly it's AJ Styles,
right, guys, come on,AJ is gonna quit and then all the
Internet's gonna be like, see hequit and they wrote him off TV.

(01:28:09):
That's why I don't buy into thericochet shit. I think he's honestly gonna
stick around with w W. Yeah, Like at first it was a conspiracy,
but now I'm like, dude,I might like, look how they're
building they're almost like building him up. There's more interest in him than ever
and it and it's because the Bronzesplatted him the way he did and the
way they ambulanced him off. SoI don't know. I I don't know

(01:28:31):
if AJ is really ever gonna leaveWWE, but I always did say this.
I could see AJ. I couldsee AJ going and doing one match
for a e W like a allin whatever, and then going back to
WWE for like his Hall of Fameinduction. Like I could see him having
his quote unquote last match with WWE, doing something in AW but not like

(01:28:51):
a run, just like a there'sa one off with Austin Yeah, and
like a huge bait at Wembley orwhatever, and then go back to WWE
and just get us all the Hallof Fame. Honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if they use guys like Ricochetto bridge more of that gap with TNA.
If Cody said anything on Tuesday withpeople, because I think tomorrow and

(01:29:12):
Cicero there's gonna be w or NXTguys in TNA tomorrow, I almost have
zero doubt in my mind because it'ssold out. It is completely fucking sold
out. Somebody was asking me toget tickets earlier in the week, and
on Tuesday I went to go.Look, everything was fucking gone. And
I mean, Cicero isn't huge,but TNA when we go there, there's
always at least a few seats left. There's a couple of stragglers, Like

(01:29:35):
you can get general admission or standingroom only. It is sold the fuck
out, like a week out,So that's pretty big for them. I
have no doubt in my mind thatsomebody's gonna fucking show up and guys like
Ricochet. If Ricochet shows up inTNA, doesn't that just seem plausible,
right? Yeah? That would beBy the way. I let's be real

(01:29:56):
too. Whenever well Ospray gets allthis love and whatever towards him, Ricochet
is just Ricochet is will Osprey,but with Bobby Bouchet's voice. That's all.
He is the same exact wrestler,just not as much personality. That's
all. It's the same shit.You'll get the same exactly. Actually,
you're more than likely get a bettermatch out of Ricochet, except he wanted

(01:30:18):
to just not kill himself. I'mlike, wells, he'll fit in TNA
a lot better too. I mean, he'll go back to putting the mask
on. That was another thing too, is like when he leaves WWE,
does he put the mask back on? Does he does he go back or
does he just continue being Porter RickOchet? So I think he's got to
stay being because the guy. That'sit. That's what he has, that

(01:30:42):
is his whole thing, is beingRicochet of WWE Television. Yeah, I
don't think that. I'm pretty sure. I'm oh sorry, I'm pretty sure
he owns that name Ricochet as well. So I think you just parlay that
going back to Prince Puma. Ibet you like fucking whoever owns that?
L Ray Network? Who owns that? Robert Right Network? Who owns that?

(01:31:04):
I don't think anybody gives a shit, nobody act. You couldn't find
the guy who owns that. It'slike an old, rotten piece of property
where it's like, who owns thisshit? It's all overgrown. I know
somebody's grandmother died. It's in probatecourt. Nobody knows. The next match
we have on the card is thesingles match for the Sammy's Ain versus Chad

(01:31:24):
Gable, and Chad's gonna have Otis, Sizawa and Maxine there. And obviously
that story has been developing with Chad, Otis and Sammy. I've kind of
enjoyed it. I liked this ideaof Otis having Stockholm syndrome and Tazawa and
Maxine cowering in the back and Otisis finally finding his balls because he's sick
and tired of Chad slapping around likeVirgil. But yeah, I think this

(01:31:45):
will be a decent match. JustChad and Sammy are fantastic in the ring,
and they both have their own wonderfulaccolades and they do very well together.
And this might be the time wherewe see Otis finally turn on Chad
Gable and maybe take Tazawa and Duprewith them. And we don't even know
if the other guys are gonna comeout to the Brothers or whatever in Chad's
corner too, because that's yea,the Creed boys. Yeah, sound Chad

(01:32:10):
has to go over in this.I mean, otherwise what are you doing?
I mean, come on, whatI think if you want? Yeah,
this is what I think is gonnahappen right here, is that you're
gonna have Chad Gable, Otis isgonna second guess himself again or whatever with
the Zawa and Max whatever happens withall that, and then the Creed Brothers
actually come out fuck Sammy, andthen Gable gets the win, and then
the next night on Row, it'slike we'll see, like Otis and Tazawa

(01:32:34):
versus the Creeds. That comes ina couple of weeks. But that's where
we see Gable going, hey,you guys fucked up, and these guys
were here to get my back,like what the fuck's going on? Maxine
and then her Ivy Nile will fightand stuff. So I see that being
the root, and I think Gablegets the type. I think it's so
Gable is literally gonna just switch stablesright. I'm hoping that Chad Gable can

(01:33:00):
add something to those Creed brothers.Oh god, he's got so much personality,
of course he can. They arein dire need of personality, like
any drop of charisma would be justabsorbed by those people. So Chad Gable
twins, oh god, they're justOh my god. I just hear droning
noises every time they show up.And I like Ivy Nile, but Jesus,

(01:33:24):
she can't even do it for them. Creed Brothers are in dire need
of a Chad Gable, and Ithink they would work well together too,
especially with the background going. Andas much as people like Otis or liked
Otis, with Chad, I thinkwe miss fun loving Otis. I think
fun loving Otis needs to come back, and as silly as Tazawa can be,
and as silly of a personality asMaxine really is, I think all

(01:33:47):
three of them together could be hilariousand unintentional are truth type comedy. Well,
that's that is a perfect WWE styleact. Fat guy, silly,
Japanese guy, active, goofy girl. Right, that's I mean, that's
you served that on a plattern rightthere, Like okay, well, just
we'll make that work and that willbe more likely the direction they go.

(01:34:10):
Unless they send Maxine back to NXTor the Shadow Realm or whatever the fun
the Shadow Realm, it's more thanlikely where that's gonna go. So Maxine
dupri versus shoo Cony Maxine, thefight is just her missing all the punches
and falling over. Yes, Ilearned from bri uh three bod. Next

(01:34:39):
match, we have the Chad.Yeah, sorry, a big Chad.
We're all go home with the YeahChad. Seems like it's got to be
the hands down one way or another, even if you're on the side of
wanting Otis to kind of pop forwardor whatever. As much as I love
Sammy, it makes more sense togive Chad the Belt by Crook. You
know what I mean, there's somuch story line advancement. If Chad wins.

(01:35:01):
If Chad doesn't win, what dowe get another month of Chad slapping
around as otis. And I thinkSammy uh should team up with Jay Uso
and that's all right? Or arethey in different brands now? Is Jay
over on SmackDown? All the draftdidn't happen or matter? Come on,
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I just think you put Sammy
with Jay and rekindle a bit ofwhat they had before. You put Jay

(01:35:26):
back with Jimmy, which is obviouslycoming down the pipe as we but yeah,
but so yeah. Next match wehave on the card is Piper Nevin
versus Bailey Piper with Chelsea singles matchfor the Women's Championship. You that sucks,
you'd assume it, Bailey? Yeah, I mean, come on,
this Piper thing is fucking I mean, it's not good. It's never been

(01:35:48):
good, and we've rooted for thisgirl in the past of times, but
she's not. It's not gonna work. It's just never gonna work for in
this company. It's not working forBailey now, though Bailey is so hot,
I'm drum like I barely even recognizewhen she's on TV and she's the
fucking champion. And as much aspeople wanted to pool on Eel's run,

(01:36:08):
I'm sorry at least people paid attentionwhen EO had the belt. Ah,
Bailey is not doing it. Theyfucked up huge by not having Bailey go
back to old Bailey at WrestleMania.That would have been the move. You
don't have to make her as sillyand bubbly and he but just give her

(01:36:29):
the She created this gimmick that gotso fucking over and then you just could
do it, never a good like, why just fucking do it? Well,
Vince didn't understand her. Her accentwas too thick, so her California
are the what's this girl saying?Sounds like rob Ran Durham what I can't

(01:36:54):
understand you. I can't understand youunless you're a pairalegal. But Vince,
I'm Bailey, I'm from and Ionly listen to you if you text me
explicit messages. How do you feelabout shit? Do you like shit?
Do you like wearing it like ahat? A dooty hat? You either

(01:37:15):
have to be in my hotel roomor my private play for me to listen
to you if you're a female,or you got to bring me a kit
in barely Doodle came to town ridingon a pony, struck a turn in
her hat. Oh never mind,Yeah, no, it's yeah. Bailey
is just completely stale. Are youstaying there with? Then? Phil?

(01:37:40):
What's that you think about? Ilike her and I like Chelsea Green.
I think Bailey's just gonna win thismatch. It's pretty obvious, and I
think they'll put on a solid showing. You also have to think, like
with WWE, there's gonna be there'sgot to be some hometown people winning,
like not all you know, likenot all the champs are going to retain.
I don't think. And that's whyI was sort of leaning towards the

(01:38:01):
Alba Fire thing as well, becauseit's just Drew. I'm not trying to
jump ahead. But does Drew getthe world title finally too? I don't
know. So I think it's obviousBailey's gonna win, right, you can't
just slap the belt on Nivin outof nowhere. But yeah, I don't
know. I'm not like, Idon't boo on her as hard as Joe
I do Nivin and Green together.At first, I was like, I'm
not for this, and then itgot over with me. But yeah,

(01:38:25):
I think Bailey just wins man andthey're going to continue that for a while.
And yeah, and I do agreethough the hugger gimmick at WrestleMania,
they should have at least brought outlike the wacky inflatable arm flailing too.
Yessolutely, Nivin is a wild dog. I'm okay with Chelsea. Green is
silly enough, and she holds thecharisma and the personality of that group.

(01:38:45):
But Piper kind of being another otislike an angry otis I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that. I likePiper, and I think that Piper
should get the win over Bailey.Bailey needs to go back to her roots.
If we're all talking about the factthat Bailey's not connecting with the fans,
there's no way that WWE and theaudience aren't noticing that Bailey's not connecting
with the fans. They need tofind a way to kind of reset her,

(01:39:06):
whether it's take her off TV orhave her go back into undercard matches
or build herself back up. ButBailey needs a hard fucking reset. She's
still gorgeous, she could still talk, she still wrestles fucking fantastic in the
ring. There's absolutely no reason thatshe's at this point of her career and
people could give less of a shitabout her even though she's the champion.

(01:39:26):
So why not reset it. GivePiper the big moment at home, have
her win the belt there, andthen we go to the main event,
and real quick, I got theidea for Piper Nivin. I think I
got it all right. You takeher, put her with Otis and you
have Maxine. Come on, comeon, Otis was hooking up with Mandy

(01:39:48):
Rose, yes, and you're gonnatell him he's gonna be going after pipernvin
Come on, man, hey,man, Otis has a type and it's
hot blonde chicks. Come on,you know what, dude, Sometimes people
they start out ass men, theystart out titmn and they end up whatever
they can get men. What legs? Chicken legs? And Jesus, you

(01:40:10):
have, Otis, you have,so you put them together, and I
already got the name. Ready,hot and heavy. Yeah, free,
that one's free hot heavy machinery.There you go, Tenie, Maxine and
you have Maxine and Piper Nevin bothdo like they wear the same outfits and

(01:40:30):
stuff. It's like it's empowering.Not a all the way terribly shitty ideas,
but I can make it. Icould make this work. Hey,
Yeah, I like it. Signthem up a federation in Saudi Arabia.
Hey, and Zane Vicious is right, the fat girls needed love to I
still do remember rooting for Enzo whenhe was trying to hook up with Naya

(01:40:55):
Jacks. I thought that was aperfect relationship. Some people forget about those
times, but not all mish Mishremembers. I'm going to it looks like
a bear scratching itself along. It'slike a bear wiping its ads up against
the tree. Oh, you can'tteach that. Damien Priest versus Drew McIntyre's

(01:41:16):
singles match for the World Heavyweight Championshipand Judgment Day are banned from ringside because
Finn Balor lost his match. Buthe could have been with you know what,
if he'd have been with Naya,he could be like, you can't
teach that, and Ya could belike, I can't reach that. That
could have been. That could havealso worked. Yeah, So this match
the main event. Drew McIntyre hasto win this. Damien Priest is going

(01:41:41):
down. What do you think notdoing good? The wise words of John
Cena, Damien priests time is upand Drew McIntyre's time is now. Sorry,
guys, do that. McIntyre's gota win or they're gonna fucking riot
And there Damien Priest is about toget a big like babyface solo run and

(01:42:03):
that's coming, so let it happen. We're starting to see the dissemination in
the Judgment Day and the changing,if you will, of of who is
in the Judgment Day. And that'swhat I like about that faction because it's
always been a faction where people arekicked out, people can join, they
have affiliates you don't really know,and they've kept that consistent. And I
think Damian Priest is going to something'sgonna happen where they're not supposed to be

(01:42:26):
at ringside, and then they dobe at ringside, and then it pisses
Priest off and we're gonna see himeventually split off from the group. And
this is gonna be the first orwe get or and just hear me out,
punk fucks Drew again. And wejust you just put nuclear heat on
Punk. That's exactly where I'm going. I don't think Drew is gonna win

(01:42:50):
this at all. Phil. I'mI'm right there with you. Con So
yeah, I think Drew like WWE. So my predictions based on what I
think WWE's looking and they're like,yeah, we got to put it on
Drew. But me, I'm afucking troll. I'd have Punk screw him
again, and just that Few doesn'tneed a belt, So well, it's
a double It's a double win toobecause at the same time, like you

(01:43:12):
said, Drew gets fucked over againby Punk in the same way that he
was fucked over by Priest, andbecause of Punk and because of Michael Cole
apparently the way that he told thestory on Monday, which was funny because
the reason he lost the belt wasbecause he was paying attention to me.
No, no, Coal, nobodywas paying attention to you. But yeah,
I would say that if you wantthat nuclear heat and you put it

(01:43:34):
on see them Punk. Cmpunk isnot an established face or heel at this
point. He's kind of ambiguous.He's been around him and Drew have had
their back and forth, so clearlythere's an established dislike there, so well,
yeah, why doesn't CM Punk showup and fuck Drew again? How
about? Yeah? I think yougot to play the hot hand here,

(01:43:56):
so you get it on Drew andhave Drew be the heel and Punk chase
him as the face. That tome makes more sense, I believe,
because I think people want Drew tobe the face. That's why, ah
do they? Yeah? The crowdsare lighting up for Drew McIntyre, dude,
even on Monday when he had hisback and forth with Damian Priest.
As much as I like Damian Priest, his run with his title has been

(01:44:18):
real. Yeah, it's time toget it off him, for sure.
I think I think it's time thatyou just break him off and let him
sort of do his chase, whichis who knows Toppling whoever is the new
leader Carlito of the Judgement, Idon't fucking know, But all I'm saying
is I do agree. I doagree with Joe in that in that you
do just have to sort of playthe hand, the hot hand, and

(01:44:41):
yes, Punk as the baby facechasing Drew, because outside of this event,
Drew's still has heat as like aheel, So I do think that's
just the smart move. It's theeasy money smart move, and it still
carries the story along either way,and you can always and Punk can always
fuck Drew out of the belt andlike at Summer Slam or something like that.

(01:45:02):
So I mean, I understand thatpushing it forward like that a little
bit, that does make sense too. But I just think that at this
juncture, if you want that nuclearreaction, you have Sampunk fuck Overdrew they
lose their mind. That would beoh my god, that would be really
that would be a tough and fuckingX would melt down like it would be

(01:45:26):
insane. I hope it happens,dude. That's why I hope it happens.
And it's not even for the trollreasons, like you said, you're
trying to be a troll. Idon't think it's I think it's smart storytelling.
The fans have been following this.When CM Punk was injured, we
never got that Drew versus Punk showdown. We didn't get the face off,
So it's this has been bubbling overand I understand you're right, we could
push this back a few more monthstill Summer Slam. You're totally right,

(01:45:47):
we can push it back, butI think the better money is fuck over
the Scottish fan base to their faceon live streams. Tell them to go
fuck them, tell them to gowell fuck themselves as a country, not
just as fans, but as acountry. Do it and put all the
heat on cempunk and I think youcan really build up that hate and there's

(01:46:10):
fun to be had with that.There's a lot of fun because there's nothing
more exciting to me, and I'msure there's a lot of people that agree
to is when you watch those crazyevents when they go down to Puerto Rico,
or even when they went to France, and I saw a lot of
feedback on the France stuff. Iknow a lot of people hate it,
the chance and stuff, but thereis something about a real electric audience that
brings a match to life that Iwill myself go back and rewatch matches just

(01:46:35):
because the crowd was so psychotically intoit. And if you have something like
seem Punk coming out of nowhere oreven worse yet, see them Punk sitting
out there the whole fucking match,making everybody wonder what he's going to do,
and then he finally does it,and it ends upscrewing drew over and
watching the crowd lose their collective fuckingminds. It's moments like that are just

(01:46:59):
you can't buy publicity like that.You can't buy reactions like that. Tony
Khan like, well, dude,mish with what this nation's birthday coming up
upon us. There's nothing that wouldbe more American than going to another country
and dashing them, just fucking everybodyover and just breaking their heart and then

(01:47:21):
afterwards looking at them and saying,yeah, but well you don't understand is
this helps us? Right? Right? What are you idiots? This is
good for us, This is goodfor us Americans. We came here to
help us, Your fucking jerk offs. What do you do you think we
came here and took your money foryou. We took your money for you.

(01:47:41):
Do you think we're giving it back? It takes you your money,
You know you appreciation they do somethingnice for you. Fuck off, get
the funk out of it. That'swhat exactly. That's the perfect that will
let all of these nations know thatwork with wwe We're gonna come to your

(01:48:04):
country. We're gonna pry your mouthopen and take a wet McDonald's shit.
Yeah, that's I like that forAmerica, for America, America. You
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