May 11, 2025 • 52 mins
In this post-WrestleMania Backlash show, Anthony Thomas, and Joe Numbers dive into the highlights, standout matches, and key moments from the first WWE event following WrestleMania. The duo dissect the John Cena vs. Randy Orton match, praising its old-school feel and effective storytelling. They also touch upon other matches like Becky vs. Bird Girl and Pat McAfee vs. Gunther, discussing the crowd reactions and overall effectiveness of each bout. Despite some criticism, the main event is deemed a success, making for an enjoyable show overall.
00:00 Introduction and Overview
00:22 John Cena vs. Randy Orton Match Analysis
04:12 Randy Orton's Performance and Career Reflection
07:31 Fan Reactions and Match Highlights
11:33 Becky Lynch vs. Bird Girl Match Review
15:31 WWE Booking and Character Critique
23:42 The Struggles of Lyra
26:44 Dominic Mysterio's Rising Popularity
28:16 WWE's Booking Issues
30:49 Pat McAfee vs. Gunther
35:57 Randy Orton vs. John Cena: Main Event Analysis
50:16 Final Thoughts and Farewell
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00:00 Introduction and Overview
00:22 John Cena vs. Randy Orton Match Analysis
04:12 Randy Orton's Performance and Career Reflection
07:31 Fan Reactions and Match Highlights
11:33 Becky Lynch vs. Bird Girl Match Review
15:31 WWE Booking and Character Critique
23:42 The Struggles of Lyra
26:44 Dominic Mysterio's Rising Popularity
28:16 WWE's Booking Issues
30:49 Pat McAfee vs. Gunther
35:57 Randy Orton vs. John Cena: Main Event Analysis
50:16 Final Thoughts and Farewell
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Wrestling too for a mature audience.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't develop.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Wrestling soup. Anthony Thomas, Joe Numbers. This is the post
Backlash WrestleMania Backlash show, first show since WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, boy, that was fast, Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well they work it up quick. We had a bunch
of matches took place. I don't know, I mean, look
for first off, the John Cena and Randy Orton match
I gotta kind of started off was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah,
(00:48):
I don't know how you feel about it because we
kind of we weren't talking during the show. I was
live on Tony Talk Wrestling with Kevin Apollo and Marsh
and we were talking about it. It was just it
was fun to watch all the old school tropes, from
the punches in the corner to the fuck this match
and leaving the ring to just it had a very
(01:12):
simple feel and it worked. It worked in every vein.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah I saw, yeah, yeah, there was nothing wrong with
what was going on here. Dude. I have, like I said,
no notes on this match whatsoever. Like anybody that you
know that could watch that and still beyond their shit
about will lost Spray or Ocada or any of these
(01:36):
guys and be like, oh yeah, no, no, Like they're
both so much better than Brandy Orton be like, do
you really think that they could take the skeleton of
John Cena and do that? Do you really think they
could do that? I mean, let's stop and take into account.
All right, they're not getting these twenty something thirty year
(01:57):
old guys in the peak at the form and well,
we're gonna go for forty five minutes. We're gonna do
every single move that's ever happened. No, can you take
a literal disintegrating scarecrow formerly known as John Cena and
gave you that kind of a match? And I would
(02:18):
go on in a limit and say, pretty easily the
answer would be fucking no.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Right it was. I guess I didn't expect it to
be that much fun to watch it. I see people
saying that it was overbooked at the end. I much
loved to sean. I mean it was. It was the
staple of and they did a good job in the
packages of really making you feel like, look, these guys
have been wrestling against each other the very first time
back in two thousand and two. When you're looking at
Prototype Sena and Young Kwaft Randy Orton, hair sena or
(02:46):
Randy Orton, not Randy Orton Sea whatever. But they went
back through their lineage, through their actual matches, over time
and stuff, and I thought it was interesting that they
were building that because I really think that it added
to the weight of what this match, because I don't
think at any point most of us ever thought that
Johnsen was going to lose his title to rand Jorton.
(03:06):
Now we had to give us something that we knew
that this match was going to be important, and I
think that that's where the flavor of the overbooking happened
towards the end of the match. Whether you liked it
or not, irregardless, hey what it was necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I liked.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I had no problem with all the refs getting their
wigs split open. I had no problem with Nick Aldis
and Davari and everybody else coming down there to the ring.
I had no problem with that. And Randy having that
moment where he's arcailing the shit out of everybody. Lots
of fun to watch, And then our truth came out there.
(03:47):
That was more story circuit being completed because we know
that our truth is John Cena's biggest fan, wh our
truth cost Randy Orton the match, so Orton didn't even
lose the match Orton was. There was a lot of
fuck aery going on, and that's what I had to be.
Why did Orton have to lose to John Cenaclean. It
(04:09):
didn't have to be that. And after the nuts shot
or should we say upper thigh shot, Randy Orton couldn't
take that. That's his achilles heel under the nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh no, dude. Like once again though, this was a
Randy Orton masterclass. And as somebody who has been very
critical of Randy Orton for having years of his career
that was were obviously phoned in, not months, not like,
oh Randy was a little bit off, But there's a
(04:42):
good chunk of, like I said, maybe half a decade
at a time where you're like, oh, yeah, Randy doesn't
give a fuck right now. You can just tell he's
just doing what he needs to do to get by.
But when you see this, you go, oh, man, fuck,
this guy really has it. Obviously, I put my hands
(05:04):
up sometimes and have to go some people obviously are
way fucking smarter than I was, and I'm okay with that.
And they saw something that I didn't see. Because would
you have thought that this match could have happened between
these two? But by the way, I guess we should
also point this important thing out. Was there a part
of you that, while watching this thought, God damn it,
(05:26):
if only John Cena had been a heel for fucking
ten seconds, ten to fifteen years ago, we could have
had matches like this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We kind of brought up how long do you think
that John Cena thought about being healed before he turned heel?
I would not be surprised to find out that John
Cena has been planning this turn for a very long time,
because even if you didn't want to do it because
the money and the monetary reasons, it still had to
have been a personal fantasy of his right. I mean,
(05:56):
as a wrestler, you want to do both.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, especially when you've done one of them forever. But
you're clearly going to be tired of it to some extent.
Do you know, like you.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Throw this out here? Oliver Norgrove wants to ask you, Joe, Hi, gentlemen,
why the constant run ins from officials all of a sudden?
I swear this wasn't a thing wwe years ago? Overkill?
Am I being nitpicky.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, you are. Yeah. And the reason why I
say you are is because that was what happened all
the time during wrestling's most successful times in the in
the LA nineties and some of the early two thousands.
It's used often as a crutch for what you got here,
which is that they don't want either of these guys
to technically lose. That to me was the hardest fucking
(06:42):
thing about this entire card, And like what me and
you were doing predictions on it. We're sitting there going
so basically every heel is winning for the most part, Like,
that's that's the card. Yeah, I mean in a way,
And you know me, I am no advocate of just
putting stray matches on for no reason to a pay
per view card, but god, you should have just had
(07:04):
Otis beat somebody or something, just god damn it, give
to people some sort of easy, hippity fucking dudah. Because
they just kept building up these people and then just
taking it away from them over and over and over again.
I was like, geez, man, you gotta walk out of
(07:25):
this building. And it's like, thank god they saw Sean
Cena and Randy Orton have the best match they probably
have ever had, because otherwise they'd have been like, what
did I just witness? You know, like, I sat through
the show for three hours and you gave me fucking
nothing to be going home happy.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Let me ask you this then, too, considering what russell
Mania was in the letdown that a lot of people
had watching Sena versus Cody, they could have had a
stinker roo of a match, And I wondered, do you
think the fan base would still went home happy with this?
Because there were some key moments of excitement during the
match sides of the tropes, like obviously the reversal of
(08:02):
the double A. The attitude of Justice us into the
RKO was something new that we hadn't really seen Orton
do before. And it's kind of like, do you think
that the weight of this match was because of the
two icons in the ring as opposed to what they
did with Cody? Will he won't he with the belt?
With John?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh boy, you want to talk about if you're Cody
watching this, you've got to be saying to yourself, Wow,
I looked up to Randy and there's a reason because
he really I mean, he eats Cody's lunch at this
point like, after watching that, I'm going look at what
Cody got out of John at WrestleMania, John my best friend.
(08:43):
Look what he got out of scene at WrestleMania, And
look what Randy got out of him three weeks later.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, Athletic Gamer for two bucks, I didn't watch tonight, honestly, sorry.
You followed up with only match I would watch is
Randy and Sina, As you should. He was the best match.
There was a couple of good highlights on this thing.
I think I don't feel about it as negatively as
you do, but it's coming from a different place. Followed up,
(09:09):
Maddy for two bucks said, remember when Sina wouldn't let
Nikki use his twinling?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, that was when he was a face? Remember that?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Good for you, Nicky.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah right, he's sitting there, He's like, I don't let
ladies use my toilet and people. What a good baby face.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I was willing to let Dolph Zigler use his girls,
so why not?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, well, sharing is caring. But no, this was a
very very good match, dude. I mean, I know it's
kind of like we're starting from the end of the
pay review, but what are you gonna but what are
you gonna do when there's five matches, And like I said,
every single one of them was like increasingly put out
there to deflate the crowd more and more and more,
(09:55):
and the main which, thank god, thank fucking god, these guys,
thank god, they know what the fuck they were doing
the way that they did, because like I said, these
people would have been like righteously pissed and rightfully so
that crowd.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Was right to be on their feet for the entire match.
They really did right. I mean, it was a Saint
Louis crowd. I don't know how many people really expect
Saint Louis to be that that city that represents well.
But they did a fantastic job for the main event
for sure. That deserved everybody standing on their feet, and
they did. They were up at arms, they were cheering
at everything. More than a few chants, a couple of booze.
(10:31):
It was great. Like it was the ruckus type of
crowd that you would expect from like an indie show,
but on a much bigger level and a more important level,
at a main event level. It was good. I almost
wish that it would have taken the three and a
half hour drive down to Saint Louis to watch this
one because it was worth.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, and I will say some of the little things
that you pointed out in the match, some of the
more old school traditional the ipoke, all that stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Joey, I laughed my off.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
All right, let me answer some of these fucking Wait
should I answer the super jets? Where the hell this
guy go? Ah? There we go? All right, Hey, gentlemen,
I hope we're good. Thought the show tonight was fun.
One of the best matches was Becky and that was
very nice. If you Nicholas Stock like you guys, I
thought this was going to bomb, but I thought they
(11:26):
killed it tonight. Okay. I mean this was one of
those matches where I'm sitting there and I'm going, nobody's
really got that much heat. Becky is like milking them. God,
she was milking them for heat in this fucking match.
And yeah, it did not go very well outside of
spamming finishers and Becky bagging for people to care about Lyra.
(11:50):
I mean, there's a reason why I have bird Girl
apologists on this fucking thing, because to me, it's I
don't know what to do. I don't know what to
do with this fucking girl seems like a very nice person.
I guess that's the extent of it. I think that
(12:11):
she apparently is somebody the WWE is really fucking rooting
for to do something. But ultimately, this is not going
to work. It's not going to work coming out with
the wings and the outstretched arms and just looking like
every plain, regular ass girl you've ever known in your life.
(12:34):
She's cute, she's in shape, and her matches are okay,
but just another very small, undersized person with no personality.
And even with Becky in this match where she's like
a grand total of what one hundred and ten pounds,
I mean, Becky is teeny tiny, teeny tiny, and she's
(12:58):
trying to pick her up up and do her fucking
little moves to her and stuff. And you can tell
she's even struggling to pick Becky up to do things
because Becky's probably a grand total of five to five.
You know, she's she's this giant that she's fighting desperately
to overcome. I'm like, oh no, oh no, this is
(13:23):
not going to go well for this girl. But yes,
for whatever reason, I guess that this is what Lyra
Bird Girl's gonna be she's going to be WWE Women's
Wrestling Daniel Garcia where it's just no personality, but we're
going to push her constantly and we're gonna go, well, look,
(13:44):
it's a it's a work rate match. Do you like
the work rate? Are you impressed by the matches and
what she's doing? And it's no, No, not really. Actually
it's it's okay. I mean, she's not embarrassing herself, she's
not falling flat on her fucking face. But I don't
(14:06):
think that anyone is. I don't think anybody is going
to buy a single ticket. I don't think anybody's going
out and getting the Lyra of Hell carry a T shirt.
I just don't see that coming to pass. Harry, what's
going on here? Is there? Oh no, somebody's putting it
on YouTube. They're putting the link up there. I think
missus computer is because he has a new one. So
(14:27):
there could be a bunch of bullshit that's going on
with it. Who nows, could just be crapping out all right.
Let me see, is there anything else that fucking somebody
sent somebody else in something? Let's see street fighter said,
oh thank you street Fighter twenty bucks. Hey, mission Joey
didn't watch the pla pl sol ballgame instead. Thank you
for reviewing, Yeah, thank you man, No problem. Trust me,
(14:49):
this was not the worst thing that could could have
possibly have happened. As far as shit the WWE has
put on as quickly and thrown to other as haphazardly
as they have here, So it's not as good as
it could have been. Truthfully, I don't know. I don't
(15:10):
know how to say it's how to say this any
other way, all right, but you had your opener right
the four way match, and it was who who do
we have in that? We had La Knight, Jacob Fatu.
I'm already forgetting who the other fucking guys were, and
this deal Drewmac and Tire and who was the other one?
(15:30):
Jesus christis is bad because it happened three hours ago.
It's already out of my fucking head. Who else was there? Oh,
Damian Priest, there we go. Yeah, something's got to change
for Priest. I mean, at least esthetically, he's got to
change that. Look, it is really not helping him at all.
(15:52):
The pleasir thing, the fucking purple Gothy Gold. No, No,
it's just it doesn't suit him. It doesn't fit him.
I just don't. I don't see that being a long
term look for him. I don't see him doing that
and in five years people being impressed by it, or
(16:15):
people looking back and being like, oh man, why isn't
Priests still doing that? He's got to change that overall appearance.
He has to change the presentation of his character gimmick
or whatever the fuck you want to call it. But
I mean, he's out here and I'm literally forgetting exists.
That's not good. That is not fucking good. So let
(16:37):
me try to think what the fuck happened in this match?
That was really kind of a standout. I mean, it
was fine if I remember correctly, there was nothing wrong
with the fucking match. I mean, I guess only really
the finish is what you can get into, what you
can talk about. Where in the finish what you had
was Jeff Kaw Jeff Cobb. Folks, which if you don't
(17:03):
know who Jeff Cobb is, don't feel bad. A lot
of fucking people don't a lot of people don't really
know who Jeff Cobb is. Don't beat yourself up too much,
all right, And Jeff Cobb, who we've seen before on
television and what tnaaw a couple different places him showing
up there and walking out on that WWETV. He looked
(17:27):
three and a half feet tall. And it's not exactly
like Jacob Fatu or Solo so Co or giant guys either,
which for Sam Owens, you look at you go, man,
these guys are some omens. They should be big old boys.
They should be big old guys. And it's nah, they're
not really. I mean, they're not small physically. But when
(17:48):
they did the spot where he was standing across the
ring for McIntyre, I'm going, oh, man, McIntire's fucking four
inches bigger than this guy. And obviously mac entire cycling
off and he still looks fucking bigger than him. That's
a little concerning. But no, so they have this whole
thing thirty minute match. It felt like at least kept
(18:13):
going I'm sitting there, I'm going, all right, and we
can wrap this up now, that's fine, Like we really
already kind of push this as far as it can go.
And then out comes one of the mighty minis, Jeff Cobb,
and I'm like, the crowd doesn't know who this guy is.
There was like a gasp at one point because oh,
(18:35):
because the people were they like a surprise. They want
a surprise, they want to be surprised, So oh is
that a new and a They don't know what fuck
he is, they don't know who he is, and Solo
is dead in the water. So if they think to themselves, man,
we found a big thing for Jeff Crobb to deput,
(18:57):
he's gonna look extra small. They we're gonna put him
with some that nobody is really into right now, Like, god, yeah,
this was a genuinely bad flat finish that the people
were not into at all, and of course you know
(19:17):
they're going to Jacob is teasing, Oh I can't. Oh,
He's like, I don't know if I want to win
this way because I've been getting baby face reactions, which
for him, it's like he doesn't need to sell that.
He didn't need to sell that. I just didn't like
how the fucking finish was structured. They should have just
(19:38):
let it go off without a hitch, right then Solo
comes in starts jumping people or whatever the fucking Jacob's
pissed about it. Oh that's not okay. Then maybe you
have Cob show up Cob grabs somebody and he's like, Okay. Now,
I'm like, you're you're doing this shit, and you got
somebody else, and somebody else is doing this shit too.
(20:00):
If you'd went in that direction, it would have been fine.
But it was just when people say the main event
was overbooked, and I'm going, well, it's the main event.
You got one guy who's severely limited, who's the champion.
It has been the champion seventeen fucking times. There's a
big difference between that and your opener. So missus, Mike
(20:21):
is dead rap Mike. So what I think I'm gonna
do here is I'm just gonna kind of review these matches.
I'll go through them a little bit quickly, and we'll
see where we're at by that time. Thank you to
the people that migrated over to the YouTube right now,
we got two hundred and thirty heads listening or so
appreciate that, especially since we figured just fuck it, We'll
(20:42):
just we'll throw this up here as well. Let me
see all right, Nick nemmaths fan for five bucks, Thank you, buddy.
Wwe was so good last year. Now they seem to
have jumped the shark. I don't know what the fuck happened?
But they need a new booker because the product is
awful right now. I wouldn't go with off, but I
will say there's obviously a lot of holes. It's a
(21:04):
lot of problems. There's a lot of things that are
happening right now with the live audience and the people
that are actively watching the show and attending these events,
that they're really they're really trying to push certain things
in a direction that they shouldn't and they're really trying
(21:27):
to allow certain certain images of people to kind of
permeate without saying to themselves is this long term worth it?
Is this going to actually work? Which I know I
already talked a little bit about this. But that does
lead to the next match, which was Becky and bird Girl,
(21:47):
which that match was exactly what mission I had thought
it was going to be, which was it was underwhelming.
I understand that some of the Hey, I got that
this is awesome chance out of people, because like I said,
Becky was just try as she was yelling at one point,
she was screaming, doing everything she could to try to
(22:10):
get people remotely interested in what the fuck is going on.
They're doing everything they can or at least, Becky's doing
everything she can to get these people louder than a
fucking pin drop. And they had them for moments. Man,
they had them for flashes. I guess they had them
(22:32):
at these little parts. But truly, truly, this whole thing
with Lyra is a dud. There's no other way to
describe this. It's a dud. We have an instance where
it's very Tony khanesque booking at this moment with her,
whereas the whoever Triple H people backstage, they're seeing something
(22:58):
in her that I don't think just about anybody is seeing.
And I know that the Okay, we're gonna do this
thing with Roxanne, and we're gonna bring Julia up, We're
gonna bring Stephie to Coor up, We're gonna bring this
one up. And oh but it's okay, we gave bird
girl the Intercontinental champion. It's like, dude, nobody fucking is
(23:19):
into this. And similarly, almost to like Solo, which I
mentioned earlier, I'm like Jacob thought Too was gonna show
up and Solo was going to get Fliggety flush down
the fucking shitter, that the same exact thing is going
to happen here with Lyra, where it's going to be like, look,
she's we're a portion her. Look, she's got a fucking
(23:40):
she's got wings and she wins her matches and this
and that and the other thing. And then the women
that are just more charismatic, more interesting, look like TV stars,
they're gonna show up and they are going to absolutely
wipe the fucking floor with her. So maybe that was
the thought process. Maybe there was somebody saying, hey, listen,
(24:04):
we want this girl to become something because she's in
the system, and we do think she's talented and we
want her to do well, but we know that if
we don't give her a head start, she will get
absolutely fucking trampled. But the problem is this, She's had
this head start for quite some time now and it
(24:27):
still is not working. So as little as I wanted
to see Becky when this belt, that might have been
the move because now I'm looking and I'm going, okay, well, now,
who's gonna take it off of her? Is it gonna
be one of the heels that show up kind of
(24:48):
randomly and they're gonna just come in the first night
and take the belt, Like that's not gonna do anything
for them either, because it's like, look, they beat the
world renowned fucking bird girl for the day. Who gives
this ship? No one's No one's gonna be like, oh
my god, they beat Lyra of Fvlkiria. No, like, at
(25:10):
least with Becky. At least with Becky. And this is
where I can I can conceive some room to the
fact that Becky is clearly not doing her best work,
if you will, the overall look of Becky, it's it's
it's almost the way that I'm seeing Sina where I'm going, Okay,
(25:31):
this is this is enough, Like like it's saying like, okay, this,
this is this does not look like she doesn't. She
barely looks like herself. She didn't have the red hair,
which thank god, she was Like, Okay, I guess I
gotta go with that so people can actually recognize me.
I don't know what somebody if this would look like
(25:52):
the same human from five six years ago. I don't
know what the fuck happened. I don't know what happened
with her, But this is one of those things where
I'm looking at I'm saying, we're in a rough spot.
When the person that I was saying, probably should consider
retiring thirty seconds ago. Should have won the belt over
than the person that's supposed to be the young, upstart,
(26:13):
new hot, new ticket if you will. Yeah, no, this
was spam finishes. They it was very, very try hard.
They did everything they're good to get people to care
and it still was muted at best. But all right,
So we're on to the third match here, which I
will say, if it was not for the main event,
(26:34):
this probably would have been the match of the night,
just due to the fact that Dominic Mysterio now is
finally is finally speaking of birds and their wings. He's
finally spreading his wings, and people are starting to pick
up on the fact we'd liked to boo this guy
for years. We really had a good time booing this guy.
(27:00):
But now we've had so much fun doing that we're
ready to cheer him. And I don't know, I don't
know if that's the best thing. I mean, you can't
stop that fucking ball when it starts rolling. When the
people decide that this is the person that they want
to get behind, we can't pretend to be like, oh no, no,
(27:20):
they still hate domb Look, they still hate Dominic so
so much. Meanwhile, the crowd's chanting dirty dom like, you
can't ignore that. But it's gonna be tough because of
the fact that he's gonna go out there and work
with who with heels that beat the shit out of
him and sell for him. And I'm like, okay, it's
(27:41):
very face heavy to begin with, even in the mid
card right now in WWA, So I don't know who's
ready as a heel to step up and even be
somewhere in the middle and go after a face dominick.
Either way, like I said, WWE's having some of these problems.
One of the most obvious ones is the fact that
(28:02):
people are booing heels, cheering faces, and they're kind of
leaving it almost to the audience too much because they're saying, like,
choose your own adventure. Like I said about the WrestleMania card,
there's way too much you guys, pick who you like
in the main event and go from there. Yeah, Oh
you like Seth cool, you like seeing punk, that's great,
(28:23):
you like Roman range shirt, buy a T shirt, spend
two thousand dollars at a ticket, and shut the fuck up.
Like that's that's very much what they were putting out
into the fucking ether and it's not good. It's not good.
It's not a long sustainable thing to do. And like
Zigler Fame was saying earlier, it's like, oh, the booking
(28:44):
it's bad and the show is off and it's not
where it's supposed to be. And I'm like, well, I
think that's one of the big problems that they're having
right now is there's there's people that they're putting on
the show where they're hoping, they're hoping and press saying
that they'll get the reaction that they're looking for, and
(29:06):
they're not, or they're so ambiguous, like they're just throwing like, oh, well,
you all hate Seth, but you all want to sing
his music, so just sing his music. That's okay. There
is no hey, clear cut heel, clear cut babyface. This
is what it's supposed to be. And outside of like
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I said, the main event on the show tonight, which
tut Off, fucking worked because that's what you gave the crowd,
obvious heel, obvious face, hooray, and it worked and it
fucking worked. And I'm not saying that this matter didn't work.
It was good. It was fun, Dom broke out a
bunch of athletic spots. I guess some people now are saying,
(29:51):
you know, they keep seeing people talking about the main
event once again being overpooked. But that's because most of
the fucking matches on this world booked as far as interference,
and this one coming out and that one coming out.
It's like your first match, like I said, you have bullshit,
you have Solo Sokoa, you have a guy that people
(30:12):
have never seen before. Okay, why sure? Then you get
to the third match, you got the entire Judgment Day
running out there, right, Okay? Sure? Then, however, let's move along.
We get to our next match, which is Pat McAfee
and Gunther, which was pretty much exactly what it needed
(30:35):
to be. It was a little much a point, but
I cannot say that this was Oh this was terrible,
and I didn't like it. They made Gunther look bad.
They didn't. They didn't make them to look bad at this.
The only thing that I was not crazy about was
in the end how Pat got up so fast and
(30:58):
then Gunther did his little hey, good on you kind
of thing. Because I'm thinking, if that's even going to happen,
if it's even going to be pat makes it to
his feet. This should have been one of those moments
where Gunther goes over to him and it looks like
Gunter's gonna grab him and hit him with something again,
and then Gunther just stands him up and looks at
(31:20):
him and then walks off. That's all it had to be.
We shouldn't have gone with the whole pack gets up
to his feet and Cole sitting next to him, which
once again another match with an outside person coming out
and interfering in what's going on. But it was once
again not the worst. It was not bad. It was
(31:43):
exactly like I said, what it needed to be. You
got guns to be a guy who also took someone
with very limited experience and drag him to having a
very coherent, easy fucking match that told a decent story,
(32:04):
which for what it's worth, when we sit there and say, oh,
they're being ambiguous as far as like who the heels
and the face is, and the booking and this and
the that and above. But in the top two matches
on the on a five match card should be fair.
We had the two best workers, you know what I mean.
We had Orton and we had gone through and that's
(32:24):
not saying Sena was horrible. I'm not sitting there shitting
on Sena in the situation. But obviously we know he's limited,
and he did a lot of the Gaga. His timing
was good for that and whatnot. But top two matches,
two best workers, taking people in situations where whether they're
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not physically able, capable, experienced enough in making them have fun,
interesting matches where the crowd is not sitting there pooh
poohing on it. The crowd's not looking at it and going,
oh my god, what is this. They're not laughing, they're
not laughing at it, they're not embarrassed by it. And certainly,
(33:08):
certainly this crowd wasn't sitting there going oh, Pat McAfee
like oh this came He looked like an idiot, He
embarrassed himself, he came off like a bar No, I
don't think that that was the case at all. If anything,
one of the most shocking things about this match to
me was I assumed that Pat was gonna gig. I
(33:29):
thought that for almost for sure, almost for damn certain,
that this guy was gonna have blood. Now, if you
were saying to me like, oh, I don't know why
would you say that's gonna fucking happen. Why would you
think that he was gonna bleed in this situation? Just
for the ESPN moment. I mean, obviously, like I said,
(33:54):
you don't want everybody to to fucking bleed all the time.
You don't want it to become that and it's just
clown show. But for the ESPN moment, for the taking
guncern really making him an evil, evil son of a bitch,
really continuing to go with that. But then again, I
(34:15):
guess at the end we were supposed to be left
with the idea that now he's appreciative warrior Gunther, which
m a little shaky, little shaky on the idea of
having him be mister you know bow and oh wow,
thank you, thank you, sir, thank you for that fight.
Like I don't like Gunther as that to some extent,
(34:37):
if they were going to do that, I think that
that the blood probably would have helped, though, actually thinking
about it, because at least then it's like, oh man,
I beat the shit out of you, I left you bloody,
and you're still coming up, You're still coming from me,
You're still coming for more, all right, respect, That's that's
(34:58):
that's where we are. But either way, you got this
out of a guy who's had three wrestling matches and
I think is a man in his late thirties that,
like I said, has barely done anything in ring, and
the people were happy. Nobody watched it once again and
felt embarrassed for anybody involved in it. And I don't
(35:19):
think that you made Gunther look weak, but at least
we left with a little bit of a question mark, like, oh,
we're going to get a Are we going to get
a more human gunser Are we going to get a
gunster that's a little more vulnerable? I don't know who knows, right,
So anyways, I feel like now I can talk a
little bit about the main event. I know, me a
(35:39):
misshat it before his fucking his mic died, which he
was mentioning the other day that his microphone was kind
of on the dad kind of on the are Anyways,
at Miskeep's equipment for a really really long time, he
tries to keep it going and I'm like, dude, just
get a fucking get a new thing, and he's like, well, why,
this one works perfectly fine? Yeah, but the way that
(36:02):
stuff works now, the way that audio equipment shit has made.
And I'm saying this like I really fucking know, but
I've seen this enough to where they've gotten to a
point where post pandemic, where now everybody wants to stream,
everybody wants to do podcasts, everybody wants to do all
the shit that now they've invested enough money into it
(36:23):
and done enough work on it, then it looks like
you can get pretty decent shit for a pretty pretty
reasonable fee. So you're not killing yourself at this point
to get a half decent mic for a good price,
at least for now. Let's put it that way. At down,
who knows where these mics are made. I don't think
you're made in America. But yeah, the fucking main event, right, Yeah,
(36:46):
let's get to this. Let's talk about this a little,
talk about this a little quick, right, most are this,
even though like I said, we already talked about this.
I love I love what Randy did here, and he's
the guy that has been, like I said earlier, very
easy to give a hard time to because Randy has
in fact not shown up at points in his career.
(37:09):
And I don't want to be like, oh, because he
was a drug addictor alcoholic, No, I think he said
points he's been generally unmotivated, and him unmotivated still looked
better than a lot of people on the roster. I mean,
you have Wade Barrett on commentary and he's saying it
all the shit and Cole's going, yeah, you were ustled.
(37:32):
Both of these guys didn't yet and all the stuff
that I'm going, yeah, and it was really really not
memorable and not remarkable in any way, shape or form.
And this guy was supposed to be one of the
better people at that time. So yeah, I mean to
some extent when we go well, maybe Randy Worton vonted in.
Maybe Randy Orton didn't care as much. I guess when
(37:53):
there were years at a time where his opponents were
like Wade Barrett's gender Mahal, there's a lot of dead
dogs that he had to drag around, and tonight I
feel like, yes, he was in a position where he
had to rise to the occasion and take a bag
of bones that is currently John Cena in this state
(38:14):
and make it as good as it could possibly be
and mission accomplished. Sena, I mean Sena as a heel
doing what he's been doing as far as like just
in this match. You know what, I'll just say, just
in this match, because the Cody thing was genuinely not good.
(38:35):
It was not a good showing for either of those guys.
But Sina being able to do the older school heel
got gosh, shit, a screw you guys, I'm walking out,
going up the ramp. He'll take the count out. These
kinds of things. I'm like, man, this is stuff that
we used to see all the time. This is the stuff,
(38:56):
by the way that people still are like, MGF is
brilliant because he knows how to do this shit, and
it's like, well, no, I didn't just MJF watched wrestling
that happened before the year two thousand and five. He
was like, I'll just do that until he got thew
fucking brain where and decided that Canadian destroyers and bullshit
and all that other fucking nonsense was more important. But
(39:17):
that's what I'm saying is it's like for him to
do these things, these little nuances to his match, to
make it that much better and that much more interesting.
It's it's simple, but it's impressive because once again it's
something that people haven't seen as much. It's like when
I was talking about the McAfee promo that he cut
(39:37):
on Monday, where I was like, it was so cheesy
and it was so generic that it was great because
this is something that if you have watched wrestling for
a really long time and you remember this happening, you go, God, damn,
I've seen this before. This is old hat or whatever.
(39:57):
But then there's a whole audience of people people. It's
like life goes on. People grow up, you get old,
You forget the fact that there's a lot of magic
tricks that people haven't seen before, and you go, oh,
he knows the tricks. Look, he remembers the magic tricks,
and people are fucking pumped for them, and you'd love
to see that kind of shit come back into the fold.
(40:18):
And that's it. You kind of have a choice, though
I should say, not that you necessarily love it. You
have a choice. You can either look at it and go, hey,
to me, I've already seen this before. But in this moment,
I want them to be like the people that haven't
seen this before must be like loving it. They got
to be really into this shit, you know what I mean.
But for me, it's old hat, but it works. People
(40:43):
used to do it all the time, and it wasn't
because it didn't draw money and didn't make people into
fans and didn't have them come back to the building
and buy tickets and merch, like there's a reason. There's
a reason why that happens all the time. It's like
a Disney adult, right, Okay, And I hate shitting on
the Disney adults because I know some really wonderful people
(41:04):
who are Disney adults. But there should be a difference
between taking a five year olds to the Disney Breakfast
and they get to Mickey Waffle with the ears and
Tiger the Tiger runs into the room and you're like, look,
it's Tiger the Tiger and you're five when you're like,
oh my god, that's what it is, and you be
in like thirty and like, you've done drugs. You've done drugs.
(41:30):
You've done drugs, You've gone on vacations, you've seen some shit,
you know what I mean. Yeah, you got a car accident, right,
like maybe you got a d way and you're still like, god,
looker's fucking triggered the tiger. There's that trinker bo. It's like, dude, no,
that's not the five year olds should be excited. You
(41:52):
should be a little less excited. It's time. It's time
to let that go. It's time to move away from that.
You're supposed to look and go look at the fire.
Oh isn't that cute? Like, look at the little kid
is so excited about it? And as mean as almost
it sounds for me to say that about wrestling fans Metier,
people who could be in their twenties. Now, I'm like, well,
they haven't seen it. They haven't seen it. This is
(42:14):
them getting the Mickey waffle, This is them getting the
fucking the ticket, the Tiger outfit. Oh, that's so great.
I'm so excited to see them. And I'm like, fuck, yeah,
good good. I'm glad that people can still get themselves
into that mindset, they can still be that fucking pumped
about it. But no, this match was particularly good in
a way that I'm almost thinking, if they were to
(42:37):
do this again with some of the few remaining matches
that are left, I wouldn't blame them. And somewhere in
my mind, I'm going, Joe, you shouldn't think of it
that way. He should want John Cena to have most
of his last matches with younger talent and either put
them over or teach them something, which I'm like, I
(42:59):
don't even know if Johnson and It's capable of leading
something the way that he is physically at this point. Now,
mind you, I'm not sitting here saying like John Cena
is in terrible shape. Like no, most men his age
would would fucking if they woke up tomorrow looking at
like John Cena, they would be a static. But that
(43:19):
doesn't change the fact that when it comes time to
be in a fucking athlete like John, guys who are
in as good as shape of John Cena is, at
least esthetically by his age, they play like intermural fucking sports.
They're in like a beer league. They play pickleball. They
(43:40):
don't pro wrestle. That's not how it goes. And also,
by the way, I know, Cena did some interview and
he's done this many times where he's been like, oh, no, never,
I never took any performance enhancing drugs. That's that's ridiculous,
That's that's not me. You know what I mean. I
just watched my macro and we eat a lot of
(44:01):
tried tuna, and it's like, John, now that you've shrunk.
Now that we've seen you start to deflate and your
head has stayed the same size, it's time to drop
the act. And I'm not saying he's got to like
break on a bullhorn and just be like, oh, just
(44:23):
so everybody knows, I very obviously was on performance enhancing
drugs for two decades. But if somebody asks you at
this point, cut it out, cut it out. Don't be like,
oh no, man, this is just what I look like.
It's just just oh no, this is just a long,
(44:43):
long fitness journey. It's like, John, your jaw is you're Simion, dude.
You look like a fucking ape. Now. He looks like
when you see pictures of old apes. You ever seen
that shit where like they'll show like a Coco the
gorilla or something like, they show like old monkeys and
it's who and they kind of get like their mouths
(45:06):
start to get white and their eyes get the white
fur on them, like when you get an old fucking
golden retriever or something like. The monkeys have the same face,
and you're like, that's what John Cena looks like. That's
what John Cena looks like. It's a pale to very
very pale, and I know, like I said, I could
sit here and I could just be an asshole and
(45:27):
be like, well, John Cena looks like but what he
did today was the absolute best best you could get
out of this guy in a year twenty twenty five,
the year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. That's as
good as it's gonna get for John Cena. I don't
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know who else is going to get this out of
him other than Gunther, who's a heel. So that's another
problem where I'm looking at. I'm going, Okay, who would
people that are workers in this company, that are main
events caliber that John Cena could go against to where
(46:08):
we'll be sitting there going, yeah, look at Sina. Scene
has got him. Oh, Scene's gonna fucking Scene is gonna
have a good match with this one. See, it's gonna
come off great. I can't think of many people they're
all gone. They're either all gone, they're heels themselves, do
you know what I mean. It's like I said, Cody
(46:31):
laid an egg, Cody laid a fucking egg. Yeah, okay, punk,
thank you, somebody in the chat, Derek, thank you. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, punk, but it's like you got see
him punk and a scene like who else? Who else
do you have that you trust for him to make
it that fucking interesting? It certainly ain't fucking meat master
(46:53):
over there, mister yeat's a lot ain't gonna do it,
Roman Reigns. I mean, people can say there now and
Roman Rains has been given a lot, a lot, a
lot of love and a lot, a lot of leeway.
Because now we're at this point where people have by
just attrition, let's call that by attrition. They're like, okay, well, okay, fine, fine,
(47:20):
Roman Reigns is good. Like they're just putting their arnds
of being like, okay, we like them, all right, blah
blah blah. But do you still trust Roman Reigns to
take like Saca leaves drawn Cina and give him a
great match like Randy Orton did tonight. Because I'll tell you,
if you do, you're a hell of a lot more
of a fucking positive person than I could ever hope
to be. And those are some very nice rose colored
(47:43):
glasses you have on. But I don't think so. I
do not see that happening. Even some of the people
that I like and like, I like McIntyre, when I
trust McIntyre to do what Orton did tonight, not really,
because I also look and go who were Randy Orton
or excuse me, who were mac entires best opponents? And
it's like, see him punk Seamus? And it's like, well, yeah,
(48:06):
good matches with Seamus because they were just kind of
beating the shit out of each other. Can't do that
with can't do that with John Cena right now. I
think he fucking implode, so he can't do that. And
then who was his opponent? Punk? So you just all
roads lead back to see him punk? But I don't
know either way this show was. For as rushed as
(48:26):
it was, I think that still, with all of that said,
people probably left the building pretty happy, which is all
you can almost hope for now that they're charging god
knows how much money to get into these shows, even
in a place like Saint Louis, where I must say,
I don't know a whole hell of a lot about
about Massara, but I'm not sure if that's a very
(48:49):
what's the word I'm looking for here, very well off
town to where someone can say, hey, do you want
to spend one thousand dollars on a random wrestling event,
and they're like, sounds right like I don't know, but
clearly the people did, because that building looked pretty fucking packed.
They looked pretty fucking jammed in there. And away in
(49:10):
a way, we went right and away we went to
where these fucking dudes showed up to Saint Louis and
they had this card, and I'm going, okay, well, you
got the money out of them this one time. You
got it, you got it out of them this one time,
and you gave him the main event of Randy Orton
(49:31):
Frus John Cena. But if you keep booking these cards
where the heels go over at every single match and
then people spend five hundred dollars for a ticket, if
you're not attaching some sort of I guess historical value
to it, that's not gonna be very well received for
very long. But either way, it feels weird to do these,
(49:55):
to do these grades without mishare, but I'll do it anyways.
I will say, obviously, the best was the main Event.
The worst was the Bird Girl. And to Becky and
I would give this a B B minus. And the
only reason why I would give it a B minus
is because I'm obviously bringing it up a grade because
of the main and I like the third match, but
we had five matches. You put the heels almost over
(50:18):
and every single one of them there was interference and
basically every single match. It was just a very odd,
odd show. And it was this all kind of wrapped
into a nice little, nice little package because of the main.
But other than that, thank you to everybody that showed
up here. Kind of had to wing it, had to
(50:39):
play it on the fly. To everybody that is listening
in the YouTube channel because we're down in the discord,
thank you. If you're a new person that's stooding in
by some chance, I assure you it's usually myself and
but pel Mine who his microphone went cucking do doo
shits tonight, and yeah, please so subscribe. Check out the
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other clips that we have as well too. Usually it's
not so one sided. It's not just me yammer in
a way. We're usually having some banter, telling some jokes,
having some fun and hopefully you guys have fun listening
to this. But we will be catching up to you
again soon. I don't think anything's happening tomorrow. Hopefully miscon
(51:23):
figure out what the hell's wrong with this, Mike. If not,
that's what the it's what the internet's good for. We'll
be able to order it from somewhere. We'll get it
back as soon as humanly possible. I know that we
usually do a show on Tuesday for RAW. For RAW,
I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to make
it on Tuesday though it is my anniversary. It's my
wedding anniversary, so or should I say our wedding anniversary
(51:46):
not me a mish, me and my wife. So I
might have to I might have to delay on the
RAW report. I know, I know that we'll bum people out.
Some things are a little bit more important if you
will which if you're which, if you haven't put together
the fact that you'd probably go do something for your
wedding anniversary before reporting out on what's going on on
(52:07):
Monday Night Raw, then I don't know what to tell you.
But other than that, thank you very much, folks, and
we'll catch you soon.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, boy, that was fast, Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well they work it up quick. We had a bunch
of matches took place. I don't know, I mean, look
for first off, the John Cena and Randy Orton match
I gotta kind of started off was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah,
(00:48):
I don't know how you feel about it because we
kind of we weren't talking during the show. I was
live on Tony Talk Wrestling with Kevin Apollo and Marsh
and we were talking about it. It was just it
was fun to watch all the old school tropes, from
the punches in the corner to the fuck this match
and leaving the ring to just it had a very
(01:12):
simple feel and it worked. It worked in every vein.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah I saw, yeah, yeah, there was nothing wrong with
what was going on here. Dude. I have, like I said,
no notes on this match whatsoever. Like anybody that you
know that could watch that and still beyond their shit
about will lost Spray or Ocada or any of these
(01:36):
guys and be like, oh yeah, no, no, Like they're
both so much better than Brandy Orton be like, do
you really think that they could take the skeleton of
John Cena and do that? Do you really think they
could do that? I mean, let's stop and take into account.
All right, they're not getting these twenty something thirty year
(01:57):
old guys in the peak at the form and well,
we're gonna go for forty five minutes. We're gonna do
every single move that's ever happened. No, can you take
a literal disintegrating scarecrow formerly known as John Cena and
gave you that kind of a match? And I would
(02:18):
go on in a limit and say, pretty easily the
answer would be fucking no.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Right it was. I guess I didn't expect it to
be that much fun to watch it. I see people
saying that it was overbooked at the end. I much
loved to sean. I mean it was. It was the
staple of and they did a good job in the
packages of really making you feel like, look, these guys
have been wrestling against each other the very first time
back in two thousand and two. When you're looking at
Prototype Sena and Young Kwaft Randy Orton, hair sena or
(02:46):
Randy Orton, not Randy Orton Sea whatever. But they went
back through their lineage, through their actual matches, over time
and stuff, and I thought it was interesting that they
were building that because I really think that it added
to the weight of what this match, because I don't
think at any point most of us ever thought that
Johnsen was going to lose his title to rand Jorton.
(03:06):
Now we had to give us something that we knew
that this match was going to be important, and I
think that that's where the flavor of the overbooking happened
towards the end of the match. Whether you liked it
or not, irregardless, hey what it was necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I liked.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I had no problem with all the refs getting their
wigs split open. I had no problem with Nick Aldis
and Davari and everybody else coming down there to the ring.
I had no problem with that. And Randy having that
moment where he's arcailing the shit out of everybody. Lots
of fun to watch, And then our truth came out there.
(03:47):
That was more story circuit being completed because we know
that our truth is John Cena's biggest fan, wh our
truth cost Randy Orton the match, so Orton didn't even
lose the match Orton was. There was a lot of
fuck aery going on, and that's what I had to be.
Why did Orton have to lose to John Cenaclean. It
(04:09):
didn't have to be that. And after the nuts shot
or should we say upper thigh shot, Randy Orton couldn't
take that. That's his achilles heel under the nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh no, dude. Like once again though, this was a
Randy Orton masterclass. And as somebody who has been very
critical of Randy Orton for having years of his career
that was were obviously phoned in, not months, not like,
oh Randy was a little bit off, But there's a
(04:42):
good chunk of, like I said, maybe half a decade
at a time where you're like, oh, yeah, Randy doesn't
give a fuck right now. You can just tell he's
just doing what he needs to do to get by.
But when you see this, you go, oh, man, fuck,
this guy really has it. Obviously, I put my hands
(05:04):
up sometimes and have to go some people obviously are
way fucking smarter than I was, and I'm okay with that.
And they saw something that I didn't see. Because would
you have thought that this match could have happened between
these two? But by the way, I guess we should
also point this important thing out. Was there a part
of you that, while watching this thought, God damn it,
(05:26):
if only John Cena had been a heel for fucking
ten seconds, ten to fifteen years ago, we could have
had matches like this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We kind of brought up how long do you think
that John Cena thought about being healed before he turned heel?
I would not be surprised to find out that John
Cena has been planning this turn for a very long time,
because even if you didn't want to do it because
the money and the monetary reasons, it still had to
have been a personal fantasy of his right. I mean,
(05:56):
as a wrestler, you want to do both.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, especially when you've done one of them forever. But
you're clearly going to be tired of it to some extent.
Do you know, like you.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Throw this out here? Oliver Norgrove wants to ask you, Joe, Hi, gentlemen,
why the constant run ins from officials all of a sudden?
I swear this wasn't a thing wwe years ago? Overkill?
Am I being nitpicky.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, you are. Yeah. And the reason why I
say you are is because that was what happened all
the time during wrestling's most successful times in the in
the LA nineties and some of the early two thousands.
It's used often as a crutch for what you got here,
which is that they don't want either of these guys
to technically lose. That to me was the hardest fucking
(06:42):
thing about this entire card, And like what me and
you were doing predictions on it. We're sitting there going
so basically every heel is winning for the most part, Like,
that's that's the card. Yeah, I mean in a way,
And you know me, I am no advocate of just
putting stray matches on for no reason to a pay
per view card, but god, you should have just had
(07:04):
Otis beat somebody or something, just god damn it, give
to people some sort of easy, hippity fucking dudah. Because
they just kept building up these people and then just
taking it away from them over and over and over again.
I was like, geez, man, you gotta walk out of
(07:25):
this building. And it's like, thank god they saw Sean
Cena and Randy Orton have the best match they probably
have ever had, because otherwise they'd have been like, what
did I just witness? You know, like, I sat through
the show for three hours and you gave me fucking
nothing to be going home happy.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Let me ask you this then, too, considering what russell
Mania was in the letdown that a lot of people
had watching Sena versus Cody, they could have had a
stinker roo of a match, And I wondered, do you
think the fan base would still went home happy with this?
Because there were some key moments of excitement during the
match sides of the tropes, like obviously the reversal of
(08:02):
the double A. The attitude of Justice us into the
RKO was something new that we hadn't really seen Orton
do before. And it's kind of like, do you think
that the weight of this match was because of the
two icons in the ring as opposed to what they
did with Cody? Will he won't he with the belt?
With John?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh boy, you want to talk about if you're Cody
watching this, you've got to be saying to yourself, Wow,
I looked up to Randy and there's a reason because
he really I mean, he eats Cody's lunch at this
point like, after watching that, I'm going look at what
Cody got out of John at WrestleMania, John my best friend.
(08:43):
Look what he got out of scene at WrestleMania, And
look what Randy got out of him three weeks later.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, Athletic Gamer for two bucks, I didn't watch tonight, honestly, sorry.
You followed up with only match I would watch is
Randy and Sina, As you should. He was the best match.
There was a couple of good highlights on this thing.
I think I don't feel about it as negatively as
you do, but it's coming from a different place. Followed up,
(09:09):
Maddy for two bucks said, remember when Sina wouldn't let
Nikki use his twinling?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, that was when he was a face? Remember that?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Good for you, Nicky.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah right, he's sitting there, He's like, I don't let
ladies use my toilet and people. What a good baby face.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I was willing to let Dolph Zigler use his girls,
so why not?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, well, sharing is caring. But no, this was a
very very good match, dude. I mean, I know it's
kind of like we're starting from the end of the
pay review, but what are you gonna but what are
you gonna do when there's five matches, And like I said,
every single one of them was like increasingly put out
there to deflate the crowd more and more and more,
(09:55):
and the main which, thank god, thank fucking god, these guys,
thank god, they know what the fuck they were doing
the way that they did, because like I said, these
people would have been like righteously pissed and rightfully so
that crowd.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Was right to be on their feet for the entire match.
They really did right. I mean, it was a Saint
Louis crowd. I don't know how many people really expect
Saint Louis to be that that city that represents well.
But they did a fantastic job for the main event
for sure. That deserved everybody standing on their feet, and
they did. They were up at arms, they were cheering
at everything. More than a few chants, a couple of booze.
(10:31):
It was great. Like it was the ruckus type of
crowd that you would expect from like an indie show,
but on a much bigger level and a more important level,
at a main event level. It was good. I almost
wish that it would have taken the three and a
half hour drive down to Saint Louis to watch this
one because it was worth.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, and I will say some of the little things
that you pointed out in the match, some of the
more old school traditional the ipoke, all that stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Joey, I laughed my off.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
All right, let me answer some of these fucking Wait
should I answer the super jets? Where the hell this
guy go? Ah? There we go? All right, Hey, gentlemen,
I hope we're good. Thought the show tonight was fun.
One of the best matches was Becky and that was
very nice. If you Nicholas Stock like you guys, I
thought this was going to bomb, but I thought they
(11:26):
killed it tonight. Okay. I mean this was one of
those matches where I'm sitting there and I'm going, nobody's
really got that much heat. Becky is like milking them. God,
she was milking them for heat in this fucking match.
And yeah, it did not go very well outside of
spamming finishers and Becky bagging for people to care about Lyra.
(11:50):
I mean, there's a reason why I have bird Girl
apologists on this fucking thing, because to me, it's I
don't know what to do. I don't know what to
do with this fucking girl seems like a very nice person.
I guess that's the extent of it. I think that
(12:11):
she apparently is somebody the WWE is really fucking rooting
for to do something. But ultimately, this is not going
to work. It's not going to work coming out with
the wings and the outstretched arms and just looking like
every plain, regular ass girl you've ever known in your life.
(12:34):
She's cute, she's in shape, and her matches are okay,
but just another very small, undersized person with no personality.
And even with Becky in this match where she's like
a grand total of what one hundred and ten pounds,
I mean, Becky is teeny tiny, teeny tiny, and she's
(12:58):
trying to pick her up up and do her fucking
little moves to her and stuff. And you can tell
she's even struggling to pick Becky up to do things
because Becky's probably a grand total of five to five.
You know, she's she's this giant that she's fighting desperately
to overcome. I'm like, oh no, oh no, this is
(13:23):
not going to go well for this girl. But yes,
for whatever reason, I guess that this is what Lyra
Bird Girl's gonna be she's going to be WWE Women's
Wrestling Daniel Garcia where it's just no personality, but we're
going to push her constantly and we're gonna go, well, look,
(13:44):
it's a it's a work rate match. Do you like
the work rate? Are you impressed by the matches and
what she's doing? And it's no, No, not really. Actually
it's it's okay. I mean, she's not embarrassing herself, she's
not falling flat on her fucking face. But I don't
(14:06):
think that anyone is. I don't think anybody is going
to buy a single ticket. I don't think anybody's going
out and getting the Lyra of Hell carry a T shirt.
I just don't see that coming to pass. Harry, what's
going on here? Is there? Oh no, somebody's putting it
on YouTube. They're putting the link up there. I think
missus computer is because he has a new one. So
(14:27):
there could be a bunch of bullshit that's going on
with it. Who nows, could just be crapping out all right.
Let me see, is there anything else that fucking somebody
sent somebody else in something? Let's see street fighter said,
oh thank you street Fighter twenty bucks. Hey, mission Joey
didn't watch the pla pl sol ballgame instead. Thank you
for reviewing, Yeah, thank you man, No problem. Trust me,
(14:49):
this was not the worst thing that could could have
possibly have happened. As far as shit the WWE has
put on as quickly and thrown to other as haphazardly
as they have here, So it's not as good as
it could have been. Truthfully, I don't know. I don't
(15:10):
know how to say it's how to say this any
other way, all right, but you had your opener right
the four way match, and it was who who do
we have in that? We had La Knight, Jacob Fatu.
I'm already forgetting who the other fucking guys were, and
this deal Drewmac and Tire and who was the other one?
(15:30):
Jesus christis is bad because it happened three hours ago.
It's already out of my fucking head. Who else was there? Oh,
Damian Priest, there we go. Yeah, something's got to change
for Priest. I mean, at least esthetically, he's got to
change that. Look, it is really not helping him at all.
(15:52):
The pleasir thing, the fucking purple Gothy Gold. No, No,
it's just it doesn't suit him. It doesn't fit him.
I just don't. I don't see that being a long
term look for him. I don't see him doing that
and in five years people being impressed by it, or
(16:15):
people looking back and being like, oh man, why isn't
Priests still doing that? He's got to change that overall appearance.
He has to change the presentation of his character gimmick
or whatever the fuck you want to call it. But
I mean, he's out here and I'm literally forgetting exists.
That's not good. That is not fucking good. So let
(16:37):
me try to think what the fuck happened in this match?
That was really kind of a standout. I mean, it
was fine if I remember correctly, there was nothing wrong
with the fucking match. I mean, I guess only really
the finish is what you can get into, what you
can talk about. Where in the finish what you had
was Jeff Kaw Jeff Cobb. Folks, which if you don't
(17:03):
know who Jeff Cobb is, don't feel bad. A lot
of fucking people don't a lot of people don't really
know who Jeff Cobb is. Don't beat yourself up too much,
all right, And Jeff Cobb, who we've seen before on
television and what tnaaw a couple different places him showing
up there and walking out on that WWETV. He looked
(17:27):
three and a half feet tall. And it's not exactly
like Jacob Fatu or Solo so Co or giant guys either,
which for Sam Owens, you look at you go, man,
these guys are some omens. They should be big old boys.
They should be big old guys. And it's nah, they're
not really. I mean, they're not small physically. But when
(17:48):
they did the spot where he was standing across the
ring for McIntyre, I'm going, oh, man, McIntire's fucking four
inches bigger than this guy. And obviously mac entire cycling
off and he still looks fucking bigger than him. That's
a little concerning. But no, so they have this whole
thing thirty minute match. It felt like at least kept
(18:13):
going I'm sitting there, I'm going, all right, and we
can wrap this up now, that's fine, Like we really
already kind of push this as far as it can go.
And then out comes one of the mighty minis, Jeff Cobb,
and I'm like, the crowd doesn't know who this guy is.
There was like a gasp at one point because oh,
(18:35):
because the people were they like a surprise. They want
a surprise, they want to be surprised, So oh is
that a new and a They don't know what fuck
he is, they don't know who he is, and Solo
is dead in the water. So if they think to themselves, man,
we found a big thing for Jeff Crobb to deput,
(18:57):
he's gonna look extra small. They we're gonna put him
with some that nobody is really into right now, Like, god, yeah,
this was a genuinely bad flat finish that the people
were not into at all, and of course you know
(19:17):
they're going to Jacob is teasing, Oh I can't. Oh,
He's like, I don't know if I want to win
this way because I've been getting baby face reactions, which
for him, it's like he doesn't need to sell that.
He didn't need to sell that. I just didn't like
how the fucking finish was structured. They should have just
(19:38):
let it go off without a hitch, right then Solo
comes in starts jumping people or whatever the fucking Jacob's
pissed about it. Oh that's not okay. Then maybe you
have Cob show up Cob grabs somebody and he's like, Okay. Now,
I'm like, you're you're doing this shit, and you got
somebody else, and somebody else is doing this shit too.
(20:00):
If you'd went in that direction, it would have been fine.
But it was just when people say the main event
was overbooked, and I'm going, well, it's the main event.
You got one guy who's severely limited, who's the champion.
It has been the champion seventeen fucking times. There's a
big difference between that and your opener. So missus, Mike
(20:21):
is dead rap Mike. So what I think I'm gonna
do here is I'm just gonna kind of review these matches.
I'll go through them a little bit quickly, and we'll
see where we're at by that time. Thank you to
the people that migrated over to the YouTube right now,
we got two hundred and thirty heads listening or so
appreciate that, especially since we figured just fuck it, We'll
(20:42):
just we'll throw this up here as well. Let me
see all right, Nick nemmaths fan for five bucks, Thank you, buddy.
Wwe was so good last year. Now they seem to
have jumped the shark. I don't know what the fuck happened?
But they need a new booker because the product is
awful right now. I wouldn't go with off, but I
will say there's obviously a lot of holes. It's a
(21:04):
lot of problems. There's a lot of things that are
happening right now with the live audience and the people
that are actively watching the show and attending these events,
that they're really they're really trying to push certain things
in a direction that they shouldn't and they're really trying
(21:27):
to allow certain certain images of people to kind of
permeate without saying to themselves is this long term worth it?
Is this going to actually work? Which I know I
already talked a little bit about this. But that does
lead to the next match, which was Becky and bird Girl,
(21:47):
which that match was exactly what mission I had thought
it was going to be, which was it was underwhelming.
I understand that some of the Hey, I got that
this is awesome chance out of people, because like I said,
Becky was just try as she was yelling at one point,
she was screaming, doing everything she could to try to
(22:10):
get people remotely interested in what the fuck is going on.
They're doing everything they can or at least, Becky's doing
everything she can to get these people louder than a
fucking pin drop. And they had them for moments. Man,
they had them for flashes. I guess they had them
(22:32):
at these little parts. But truly, truly, this whole thing
with Lyra is a dud. There's no other way to
describe this. It's a dud. We have an instance where
it's very Tony khanesque booking at this moment with her,
whereas the whoever Triple H people backstage, they're seeing something
(22:58):
in her that I don't think just about anybody is seeing.
And I know that the Okay, we're gonna do this
thing with Roxanne, and we're gonna bring Julia up, We're
gonna bring Stephie to Coor up, We're gonna bring this
one up. And oh but it's okay, we gave bird
girl the Intercontinental champion. It's like, dude, nobody fucking is
(23:19):
into this. And similarly, almost to like Solo, which I
mentioned earlier, I'm like Jacob thought Too was gonna show
up and Solo was going to get Fliggety flush down
the fucking shitter, that the same exact thing is going
to happen here with Lyra, where it's going to be like, look,
she's we're a portion her. Look, she's got a fucking
(23:40):
she's got wings and she wins her matches and this
and that and the other thing. And then the women
that are just more charismatic, more interesting, look like TV stars,
they're gonna show up and they are going to absolutely
wipe the fucking floor with her. So maybe that was
the thought process. Maybe there was somebody saying, hey, listen,
(24:04):
we want this girl to become something because she's in
the system, and we do think she's talented and we
want her to do well, but we know that if
we don't give her a head start, she will get
absolutely fucking trampled. But the problem is this, She's had
this head start for quite some time now and it
(24:27):
still is not working. So as little as I wanted
to see Becky when this belt, that might have been
the move because now I'm looking and I'm going, okay, well, now,
who's gonna take it off of her? Is it gonna
be one of the heels that show up kind of
(24:48):
randomly and they're gonna just come in the first night
and take the belt, Like that's not gonna do anything
for them either, because it's like, look, they beat the
world renowned fucking bird girl for the day. Who gives
this ship? No one's No one's gonna be like, oh
my god, they beat Lyra of Fvlkiria. No, like, at
(25:10):
least with Becky. At least with Becky. And this is
where I can I can conceive some room to the
fact that Becky is clearly not doing her best work,
if you will, the overall look of Becky, it's it's
it's almost the way that I'm seeing Sina where I'm going, Okay,
(25:31):
this is this is enough, Like like it's saying like, okay, this,
this is this does not look like she doesn't. She
barely looks like herself. She didn't have the red hair,
which thank god, she was Like, Okay, I guess I
gotta go with that so people can actually recognize me.
I don't know what somebody if this would look like
(25:52):
the same human from five six years ago. I don't
know what the fuck happened. I don't know what happened
with her, But this is one of those things where
I'm looking at I'm saying, we're in a rough spot.
When the person that I was saying, probably should consider
retiring thirty seconds ago. Should have won the belt over
than the person that's supposed to be the young, upstart,
(26:13):
new hot, new ticket if you will. Yeah, no, this
was spam finishes. They it was very, very try hard.
They did everything they're good to get people to care
and it still was muted at best. But all right,
So we're on to the third match here, which I
will say, if it was not for the main event,
(26:34):
this probably would have been the match of the night,
just due to the fact that Dominic Mysterio now is
finally is finally speaking of birds and their wings. He's
finally spreading his wings, and people are starting to pick
up on the fact we'd liked to boo this guy
for years. We really had a good time booing this guy.
(27:00):
But now we've had so much fun doing that we're
ready to cheer him. And I don't know, I don't
know if that's the best thing. I mean, you can't
stop that fucking ball when it starts rolling. When the
people decide that this is the person that they want
to get behind, we can't pretend to be like, oh no, no,
(27:20):
they still hate domb Look, they still hate Dominic so
so much. Meanwhile, the crowd's chanting dirty dom like, you
can't ignore that. But it's gonna be tough because of
the fact that he's gonna go out there and work
with who with heels that beat the shit out of
him and sell for him. And I'm like, okay, it's
(27:41):
very face heavy to begin with, even in the mid
card right now in WWA, So I don't know who's
ready as a heel to step up and even be
somewhere in the middle and go after a face dominick.
Either way, like I said, WWE's having some of these problems.
One of the most obvious ones is the fact that
(28:02):
people are booing heels, cheering faces, and they're kind of
leaving it almost to the audience too much because they're saying, like,
choose your own adventure. Like I said about the WrestleMania card,
there's way too much you guys, pick who you like
in the main event and go from there. Yeah, Oh
you like Seth cool, you like seeing punk, that's great,
(28:23):
you like Roman range shirt, buy a T shirt, spend
two thousand dollars at a ticket, and shut the fuck up.
Like that's that's very much what they were putting out
into the fucking ether and it's not good. It's not good.
It's not a long sustainable thing to do. And like
Zigler Fame was saying earlier, it's like, oh, the booking
(28:44):
it's bad and the show is off and it's not
where it's supposed to be. And I'm like, well, I
think that's one of the big problems that they're having
right now is there's there's people that they're putting on
the show where they're hoping, they're hoping and press saying
that they'll get the reaction that they're looking for, and
(29:06):
they're not, or they're so ambiguous, like they're just throwing like, oh, well,
you all hate Seth, but you all want to sing
his music, so just sing his music. That's okay. There
is no hey, clear cut heel, clear cut babyface. This
is what it's supposed to be. And outside of like
(29:28):
I said, the main event on the show tonight, which
tut Off, fucking worked because that's what you gave the crowd,
obvious heel, obvious face, hooray, and it worked and it
fucking worked. And I'm not saying that this matter didn't work.
It was good. It was fun, Dom broke out a
bunch of athletic spots. I guess some people now are saying,
(29:51):
you know, they keep seeing people talking about the main
event once again being overpooked. But that's because most of
the fucking matches on this world booked as far as interference,
and this one coming out and that one coming out.
It's like your first match, like I said, you have bullshit,
you have Solo Sokoa, you have a guy that people
(30:12):
have never seen before. Okay, why sure? Then you get
to the third match, you got the entire Judgment Day
running out there, right, Okay? Sure? Then, however, let's move along.
We get to our next match, which is Pat McAfee
and Gunther, which was pretty much exactly what it needed
(30:35):
to be. It was a little much a point, but
I cannot say that this was Oh this was terrible,
and I didn't like it. They made Gunther look bad.
They didn't. They didn't make them to look bad at this.
The only thing that I was not crazy about was
in the end how Pat got up so fast and
(30:58):
then Gunther did his little hey, good on you kind
of thing. Because I'm thinking, if that's even going to happen,
if it's even going to be pat makes it to
his feet. This should have been one of those moments
where Gunther goes over to him and it looks like
Gunter's gonna grab him and hit him with something again,
and then Gunther just stands him up and looks at
(31:20):
him and then walks off. That's all it had to be.
We shouldn't have gone with the whole pack gets up
to his feet and Cole sitting next to him, which
once again another match with an outside person coming out
and interfering in what's going on. But it was once
again not the worst. It was not bad. It was
(31:43):
exactly like I said, what it needed to be. You
got guns to be a guy who also took someone
with very limited experience and drag him to having a
very coherent, easy fucking match that told a decent story,
(32:04):
which for what it's worth, when we sit there and say, oh,
they're being ambiguous as far as like who the heels
and the face is, and the booking and this and
the that and above. But in the top two matches
on the on a five match card should be fair.
We had the two best workers, you know what I mean.
We had Orton and we had gone through and that's
(32:24):
not saying Sena was horrible. I'm not sitting there shitting
on Sena in the situation. But obviously we know he's limited,
and he did a lot of the Gaga. His timing
was good for that and whatnot. But top two matches,
two best workers, taking people in situations where whether they're
(32:46):
not physically able, capable, experienced enough in making them have fun,
interesting matches where the crowd is not sitting there pooh
poohing on it. The crowd's not looking at it and going,
oh my god, what is this. They're not laughing, they're
not laughing at it, they're not embarrassed by it. And certainly,
(33:08):
certainly this crowd wasn't sitting there going oh, Pat McAfee
like oh this came He looked like an idiot, He
embarrassed himself, he came off like a bar No, I
don't think that that was the case at all. If anything,
one of the most shocking things about this match to
me was I assumed that Pat was gonna gig. I
(33:29):
thought that for almost for sure, almost for damn certain,
that this guy was gonna have blood. Now, if you
were saying to me like, oh, I don't know why
would you say that's gonna fucking happen. Why would you
think that he was gonna bleed in this situation? Just
for the ESPN moment. I mean, obviously, like I said,
(33:54):
you don't want everybody to to fucking bleed all the time.
You don't want it to become that and it's just
clown show. But for the ESPN moment, for the taking
guncern really making him an evil, evil son of a bitch,
really continuing to go with that. But then again, I
(34:15):
guess at the end we were supposed to be left
with the idea that now he's appreciative warrior Gunther, which
m a little shaky, little shaky on the idea of
having him be mister you know bow and oh wow,
thank you, thank you, sir, thank you for that fight.
Like I don't like Gunther as that to some extent,
(34:37):
if they were going to do that, I think that
that the blood probably would have helped, though, actually thinking
about it, because at least then it's like, oh man,
I beat the shit out of you, I left you bloody,
and you're still coming up, You're still coming from me,
You're still coming for more, all right, respect, That's that's
(34:58):
that's where we are. But either way, you got this
out of a guy who's had three wrestling matches and
I think is a man in his late thirties that,
like I said, has barely done anything in ring, and
the people were happy. Nobody watched it once again and
felt embarrassed for anybody involved in it. And I don't
(35:19):
think that you made Gunther look weak, but at least
we left with a little bit of a question mark, like, oh,
we're going to get a Are we going to get
a more human gunser Are we going to get a
gunster that's a little more vulnerable? I don't know who knows, right,
So anyways, I feel like now I can talk a
little bit about the main event. I know, me a
(35:39):
misshat it before his fucking his mic died, which he
was mentioning the other day that his microphone was kind
of on the dad kind of on the are Anyways,
at Miskeep's equipment for a really really long time, he
tries to keep it going and I'm like, dude, just
get a fucking get a new thing, and he's like, well, why,
this one works perfectly fine? Yeah, but the way that
(36:02):
stuff works now, the way that audio equipment shit has made.
And I'm saying this like I really fucking know, but
I've seen this enough to where they've gotten to a
point where post pandemic, where now everybody wants to stream,
everybody wants to do podcasts, everybody wants to do all
the shit that now they've invested enough money into it
(36:23):
and done enough work on it, then it looks like
you can get pretty decent shit for a pretty pretty
reasonable fee. So you're not killing yourself at this point
to get a half decent mic for a good price,
at least for now. Let's put it that way. At down,
who knows where these mics are made. I don't think
you're made in America. But yeah, the fucking main event, right, Yeah,
(36:46):
let's get to this. Let's talk about this a little,
talk about this a little quick, right, most are this,
even though like I said, we already talked about this.
I love I love what Randy did here, and he's
the guy that has been, like I said earlier, very
easy to give a hard time to because Randy has
in fact not shown up at points in his career.
(37:09):
And I don't want to be like, oh, because he
was a drug addictor alcoholic, No, I think he said
points he's been generally unmotivated, and him unmotivated still looked
better than a lot of people on the roster. I mean,
you have Wade Barrett on commentary and he's saying it
all the shit and Cole's going, yeah, you were ustled.
(37:32):
Both of these guys didn't yet and all the stuff
that I'm going, yeah, and it was really really not
memorable and not remarkable in any way, shape or form.
And this guy was supposed to be one of the
better people at that time. So yeah, I mean to
some extent when we go well, maybe Randy Worton vonted in.
Maybe Randy Orton didn't care as much. I guess when
(37:53):
there were years at a time where his opponents were
like Wade Barrett's gender Mahal, there's a lot of dead
dogs that he had to drag around, and tonight I
feel like, yes, he was in a position where he
had to rise to the occasion and take a bag
of bones that is currently John Cena in this state
(38:14):
and make it as good as it could possibly be
and mission accomplished. Sena, I mean Sena as a heel
doing what he's been doing as far as like just
in this match. You know what, I'll just say, just
in this match, because the Cody thing was genuinely not good.
(38:35):
It was not a good showing for either of those guys.
But Sina being able to do the older school heel
got gosh, shit, a screw you guys, I'm walking out,
going up the ramp. He'll take the count out. These
kinds of things. I'm like, man, this is stuff that
we used to see all the time. This is the stuff,
(38:56):
by the way that people still are like, MGF is
brilliant because he knows how to do this shit, and
it's like, well, no, I didn't just MJF watched wrestling
that happened before the year two thousand and five. He
was like, I'll just do that until he got thew
fucking brain where and decided that Canadian destroyers and bullshit
and all that other fucking nonsense was more important. But
(39:17):
that's what I'm saying is it's like for him to
do these things, these little nuances to his match, to
make it that much better and that much more interesting.
It's it's simple, but it's impressive because once again it's
something that people haven't seen as much. It's like when
I was talking about the McAfee promo that he cut
(39:37):
on Monday, where I was like, it was so cheesy
and it was so generic that it was great because
this is something that if you have watched wrestling for
a really long time and you remember this happening, you go, God, damn,
I've seen this before. This is old hat or whatever.
(39:57):
But then there's a whole audience of people people. It's
like life goes on. People grow up, you get old,
You forget the fact that there's a lot of magic
tricks that people haven't seen before, and you go, oh,
he knows the tricks. Look, he remembers the magic tricks,
and people are fucking pumped for them, and you'd love
to see that kind of shit come back into the fold.
(40:18):
And that's it. You kind of have a choice, though
I should say, not that you necessarily love it. You
have a choice. You can either look at it and go, hey,
to me, I've already seen this before. But in this moment,
I want them to be like the people that haven't
seen this before must be like loving it. They got
to be really into this shit, you know what I mean.
But for me, it's old hat, but it works. People
(40:43):
used to do it all the time, and it wasn't
because it didn't draw money and didn't make people into
fans and didn't have them come back to the building
and buy tickets and merch, like there's a reason. There's
a reason why that happens all the time. It's like
a Disney adult, right, Okay, And I hate shitting on
the Disney adults because I know some really wonderful people
(41:04):
who are Disney adults. But there should be a difference
between taking a five year olds to the Disney Breakfast
and they get to Mickey Waffle with the ears and
Tiger the Tiger runs into the room and you're like, look,
it's Tiger the Tiger and you're five when you're like,
oh my god, that's what it is, and you be
in like thirty and like, you've done drugs. You've done drugs.
(41:30):
You've done drugs, You've gone on vacations, you've seen some shit,
you know what I mean. Yeah, you got a car accident, right,
like maybe you got a d way and you're still like, god,
looker's fucking triggered the tiger. There's that trinker bo. It's like, dude, no,
that's not the five year olds should be excited. You
(41:52):
should be a little less excited. It's time. It's time
to let that go. It's time to move away from that.
You're supposed to look and go look at the fire.
Oh isn't that cute? Like, look at the little kid
is so excited about it? And as mean as almost
it sounds for me to say that about wrestling fans Metier,
people who could be in their twenties. Now, I'm like, well,
they haven't seen it. They haven't seen it. This is
(42:14):
them getting the Mickey waffle, This is them getting the
fucking the ticket, the Tiger outfit. Oh, that's so great.
I'm so excited to see them. And I'm like, fuck, yeah,
good good. I'm glad that people can still get themselves
into that mindset, they can still be that fucking pumped
about it. But no, this match was particularly good in
a way that I'm almost thinking, if they were to
(42:37):
do this again with some of the few remaining matches
that are left, I wouldn't blame them. And somewhere in
my mind, I'm going, Joe, you shouldn't think of it
that way. He should want John Cena to have most
of his last matches with younger talent and either put
them over or teach them something, which I'm like, I
(42:59):
don't even know if Johnson and It's capable of leading
something the way that he is physically at this point. Now,
mind you, I'm not sitting here saying like John Cena
is in terrible shape. Like no, most men his age
would would fucking if they woke up tomorrow looking at
like John Cena, they would be a static. But that
(43:19):
doesn't change the fact that when it comes time to
be in a fucking athlete like John, guys who are
in as good as shape of John Cena is, at
least esthetically by his age, they play like intermural fucking sports.
They're in like a beer league. They play pickleball. They
(43:40):
don't pro wrestle. That's not how it goes. And also,
by the way, I know, Cena did some interview and
he's done this many times where he's been like, oh, no, never,
I never took any performance enhancing drugs. That's that's ridiculous,
That's that's not me. You know what I mean. I
just watched my macro and we eat a lot of
(44:01):
tried tuna, and it's like, John, now that you've shrunk.
Now that we've seen you start to deflate and your
head has stayed the same size, it's time to drop
the act. And I'm not saying he's got to like
break on a bullhorn and just be like, oh, just
(44:23):
so everybody knows, I very obviously was on performance enhancing
drugs for two decades. But if somebody asks you at
this point, cut it out, cut it out. Don't be like,
oh no, man, this is just what I look like.
It's just just oh no, this is just a long,
(44:43):
long fitness journey. It's like, John, your jaw is you're Simion, dude.
You look like a fucking ape. Now. He looks like
when you see pictures of old apes. You ever seen
that shit where like they'll show like a Coco the
gorilla or something like, they show like old monkeys and
it's who and they kind of get like their mouths
(45:06):
start to get white and their eyes get the white
fur on them, like when you get an old fucking
golden retriever or something like. The monkeys have the same face,
and you're like, that's what John Cena looks like. That's
what John Cena looks like. It's a pale to very
very pale, and I know, like I said, I could
sit here and I could just be an asshole and
(45:27):
be like, well, John Cena looks like but what he
did today was the absolute best best you could get
out of this guy in a year twenty twenty five,
the year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. That's as
good as it's gonna get for John Cena. I don't
(45:47):
know who else is going to get this out of
him other than Gunther, who's a heel. So that's another
problem where I'm looking at. I'm going, Okay, who would
people that are workers in this company, that are main
events caliber that John Cena could go against to where
(46:08):
we'll be sitting there going, yeah, look at Sina. Scene
has got him. Oh, Scene's gonna fucking Scene is gonna
have a good match with this one. See, it's gonna
come off great. I can't think of many people they're
all gone. They're either all gone, they're heels themselves, do
you know what I mean. It's like I said, Cody
(46:31):
laid an egg, Cody laid a fucking egg. Yeah, okay, punk,
thank you, somebody in the chat, Derek, thank you. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, punk, but it's like you got see
him punk and a scene like who else? Who else
do you have that you trust for him to make
it that fucking interesting? It certainly ain't fucking meat master
(46:53):
over there, mister yeat's a lot ain't gonna do it,
Roman Reigns. I mean, people can say there now and
Roman Rains has been given a lot, a lot, a
lot of love and a lot, a lot of leeway.
Because now we're at this point where people have by
just attrition, let's call that by attrition. They're like, okay, well, okay, fine, fine,
(47:20):
Roman Reigns is good. Like they're just putting their arnds
of being like, okay, we like them, all right, blah
blah blah. But do you still trust Roman Reigns to
take like Saca leaves drawn Cina and give him a
great match like Randy Orton did tonight. Because I'll tell you,
if you do, you're a hell of a lot more
of a fucking positive person than I could ever hope
to be. And those are some very nice rose colored
(47:43):
glasses you have on. But I don't think so. I
do not see that happening. Even some of the people
that I like and like, I like McIntyre, when I
trust McIntyre to do what Orton did tonight, not really,
because I also look and go who were Randy Orton
or excuse me, who were mac entires best opponents? And
it's like, see him punk Seamus? And it's like, well, yeah,
(48:06):
good matches with Seamus because they were just kind of
beating the shit out of each other. Can't do that
with can't do that with John Cena right now. I
think he fucking implode, so he can't do that. And
then who was his opponent? Punk? So you just all
roads lead back to see him punk? But I don't
know either way this show was. For as rushed as
(48:26):
it was, I think that still, with all of that said,
people probably left the building pretty happy, which is all
you can almost hope for now that they're charging god
knows how much money to get into these shows, even
in a place like Saint Louis, where I must say,
I don't know a whole hell of a lot about
about Massara, but I'm not sure if that's a very
(48:49):
what's the word I'm looking for here, very well off
town to where someone can say, hey, do you want
to spend one thousand dollars on a random wrestling event,
and they're like, sounds right like I don't know, but
clearly the people did, because that building looked pretty fucking packed.
They looked pretty fucking jammed in there. And away in
(49:10):
a way, we went right and away we went to
where these fucking dudes showed up to Saint Louis and
they had this card, and I'm going, okay, well, you
got the money out of them this one time. You
got it, you got it out of them this one time,
and you gave him the main event of Randy Orton
(49:31):
Frus John Cena. But if you keep booking these cards
where the heels go over at every single match and
then people spend five hundred dollars for a ticket, if
you're not attaching some sort of I guess historical value
to it, that's not gonna be very well received for
very long. But either way, it feels weird to do these,
(49:55):
to do these grades without mishare, but I'll do it anyways.
I will say, obviously, the best was the main Event.
The worst was the Bird Girl. And to Becky and
I would give this a B B minus. And the
only reason why I would give it a B minus
is because I'm obviously bringing it up a grade because
of the main and I like the third match, but
we had five matches. You put the heels almost over
(50:18):
and every single one of them there was interference and
basically every single match. It was just a very odd,
odd show. And it was this all kind of wrapped
into a nice little, nice little package because of the main.
But other than that, thank you to everybody that showed
up here. Kind of had to wing it, had to
(50:39):
play it on the fly. To everybody that is listening
in the YouTube channel because we're down in the discord,
thank you. If you're a new person that's stooding in
by some chance, I assure you it's usually myself and
but pel Mine who his microphone went cucking do doo
shits tonight, and yeah, please so subscribe. Check out the
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other clips that we have as well too. Usually it's
not so one sided. It's not just me yammer in
a way. We're usually having some banter, telling some jokes,
having some fun and hopefully you guys have fun listening
to this. But we will be catching up to you
again soon. I don't think anything's happening tomorrow. Hopefully miscon
(51:23):
figure out what the hell's wrong with this, Mike. If not,
that's what the it's what the internet's good for. We'll
be able to order it from somewhere. We'll get it
back as soon as humanly possible. I know that we
usually do a show on Tuesday for RAW. For RAW,
I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to make
it on Tuesday though it is my anniversary. It's my
wedding anniversary, so or should I say our wedding anniversary
(51:46):
not me a mish, me and my wife. So I
might have to I might have to delay on the
RAW report. I know, I know that we'll bum people out.
Some things are a little bit more important if you
will which if you're which, if you haven't put together
the fact that you'd probably go do something for your
wedding anniversary before reporting out on what's going on on
(52:07):
Monday Night Raw, then I don't know what to tell you.
But other than that, thank you very much, folks, and
we'll catch you soon.
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