CENA IS GONE WHAT WILL CHANGE? or NOTHING CHANGES (Wrestling Soup 12.16.25)

Join Anthony and Joe as they dive deep into the latest Monday Night Raw, dissecting the fallout from John Cena’s retirement, Gunther’s controversial win, and the current state of WWE’s creative direction. From hilarious opening banter to sharp critiques of booking decisions, this episode covers it all—plus, thoughts on Logan Paul, Nikki Bella, and the future of wrestling’s biggest stars. Whether you’re a die-hard fan or a casual viewer, you’ll find plenty to laugh about and ponder in this unfiltered, passionate review. :gunshot:

00:00 – Cold Open & Banter: Reubens, fiber, and afternoon delight
01:10 – Anthony and Joe introduce the show
02:10 – Raw Recap: “Not trying” and the feeling of a series finale
03:00 – Gunther’s Booking: What did he do wrong?
05:00 – The Cena Conundrum: Why is everyone mad at Gunther?
08:00 – Storyline Analysis: Is WWE leaning on old tropes?
10:00 – The Foreign Heel: Are fans booing for the right reasons?
12:00 – WWE’s Creative Direction: Locker room reactions and missed opportunities
15:00 – Logan Paul in the Main Event: Is WWE out of ideas?
18:00 – Nikki Bella, Stephanie, and the Women’s Division
21:00 – Booking Blunders: Austin Theory, LA Knight, and crowd reactions
25:00 – WWE’s Business Model: International tours, ticket prices, and fan fatigue
28:00 – The Future of WWE: Can the product survive on hype alone?
31:00 – Side Tangents: Mr. Beast Land, Randy Orton, and Saudi Arabia
34:00 – Wrapping Up: Listener voicemails, final thoughts, and what’s next

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I don't developable. That's a Neapolitan if you if you
get a little blood in there, infected and that's Monday
Night Ralph folks have a good one. That's uh oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Fucking dude. I had to catalog through Raw. It was
not great. Not not trying.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
They are not trying? Are they? They have given up?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
They have? I mean, I know that was the running
joke for Saturday Night after the show was it feels
like the season or the series finale of of w
W just happened. But they did themselves no favors with
that lackluster, boring, trifling through show.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Just yes, yeah that was And by the way, like
now after seeing how they handled gunk the last night, Yeah,
I got I got thoughts. I got real thoughts on this.
I mean I have thoughts. And that's, to me, maybe
the most I could talk about with the show, because

(01:12):
most of it was fucking dog shit. What what is
going on us?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I am Anthony Thomas, he is Joseph, he numbers Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Beck for another Monday Night Raw review?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah fuck yeah. I mean it's more like I fall
out from Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, that's that's about right. Uh So, Now, I mean
I guess we could just hop right to this point
because it's just it's on the tip of my tongue.
I couldn't. I'm been sitting here going all right, I
got to finish Raw so we can get on the
show so I can bring this up about Gunther. So
I gotta ask you, what did Gunther do wrong? I

(01:56):
mean that, I'm really asking that seriously. I'm not even
being like, uh, you know, smarty or hyperbolic. What did
he do wrong? Now?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Are you talking about going through the athlete or the character,
because there's an answer character?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, the character? What what did he do wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
He was a bad guy by doing what though didn't
don't don't you remember what he said to jay Uso.
He made jay Usso cry.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that's a yeah, that is inexcusable. It's not like
he's a sensitive man or anything. I I I mean
truly like I was thinking about this today because I'm going,
all right, well, Ron's pretty fucking bad. But I got
to get on the show today and I gotta make
sense of what I was seeing.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Break it down in the fucking devil's advocate tone that
I usually do this shit with.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, please, because I'm trying to figure out in the
situation where you know what if the fans want to
be Gunther totally understandable why because they because he retired
I guess finger quote their hero.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think that's the idea that since Gunther conquered their
biggest champion, there's no one that can conquer Gunther. Now,
I think there's a depth to this that if you're
just completely you know, drinking kool aid, this is what
you see that guys like Cody and c mpunk is

(03:34):
as great and as wonderful as they are, they are
no John Cena and gun They just eliminated John Cena,
and Gunther is now aiming towards aj styles and Gunther
is now collecting fucking skulls. And so I'm wondering if
that's the depth of this, that Gunther becomes the person

(03:56):
that kills all of our heroes.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Sure, but this is the problem. What did he do wrong?
I mean, I'm still trying to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Like I yes, he found joy in retiring Sena, that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
He want to wrestle. He won a wrestling match clean, right,
but he.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But instead of carrying the weight of having this great
match with John Cena and and being hesitant or or
self reflecting Joe, he found joy in taking away everyone's
happiness otherwise known as John Cena.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, it's a it's a competition, right, like he's so he.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Won, which're not supposed to be happy about it. I mean,
it's a real somber, sad moment. Never mind that John
Cena was smiling at the end too, that that don't
don't any pension of that. It was a somber, horrible moment.
I mean, cole so druma ad said, this is the
death of sports entertainment.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
But this is really where I keep beating this drum
because I've been trying to figure this out from a storyline.
From the perspective of the wrestlers, right, they're really coming
off as fucking babies. You're making your talent look like
cry babies. And like I said, this is why he

(05:31):
had a match with him. It was clean. He tapped
him in the middle of the ring, He rolled out
of the ring, gave him a space, and then let
him have his whole entire spiel and his little hand
clappy and play his music video. What did he do
that pissed off all of the talent. I mean, like

(05:54):
I said, the crowd, sure, the audience. The audience is
the whole fandom. They want to be mad. But what
Adam Pierre, I'm disgusted with you for what He had
a wrestling match, beat him in won. That's all that happened.
Nothing else happened that would make a person who's also

(06:14):
supposed to be a performer, wrestler, athlete, whatever, to have
them sit there and be like you despicable piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think that's what it is. It's it's supposed to
be one of those things that the talent looks at
the loss of John Cena as being this this title wave,
this title shift into a different direction, and gun there
is going to be this this evil Austrian German type

(06:42):
person who is now going to conquer everything good about WWE. Right,
I think it's all semantics. I know you're looking for
a concrete smoking gun in this, but I don't think
it's that at all, because everything with WWE feels so
loosely played. I think they're playing on the idea of
this is all subjective, This is all semantics. What you're

(07:04):
not dealing with is why the talent as a whole
is upset with John Cena. It's personal levels, right, like
when he walked up to Pierce and Pierce's like, you're
you're a piza garbage or No, that was no, that
was that was true. Truth was the one that said
you are trash. That makes sense from Truth. Truth doesn't
need to be synonymous with everybody else in the locker

(07:27):
room because we all know that Truth and Sena had
their own relationship. Truth loved Sena. So for Truth to
come out and call fucking Gunter a piece of shit,
that's fine. And for Peers to do it that was
a little weird, but you know what, whatever, that's very weird. Yeah,
but I think that's what it is. You're playing on
the sentimentality of the of each individual person, which sure

(07:50):
goes to heal babyface antics two. But I think for
the most part, instead of having it's the locker room
that hates Gunter, it's it's going to be individual people
for individual reasons. And that's fine too. But here's the problem.
It's not necessarily of why do all these different talents

(08:10):
have different reasons to hate gun there for beating sina Is.
It's more along the lines of will wwe ever explain
why all of these individual talents hate Gunther for beating
John Cena.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, that's and that's where I look at it, and
I go, Okay, well, shouldn't this be completely clear as
day why they're mad? And I know I've already kind
of made it clear when we did the show the
other night, which was fucking a really good show. Yeah,
I mean we got we got a lot out of that,
and I was sitting there going, yeah, I know. I

(08:45):
was like, at one point, you were like Jesus, we've
been doing this for a long time, and I go, yeah,
because it was an interesting topic and you know, got
the got the life out of both of us. But
I know, I said, like, there was no way that
you could have booked this to really have made people happy.
And I understand, but like just from the basis of like, okay,
going forward and what they're presenting, but that's how do

(09:07):
you make this make sense? And I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
so you got this Sena in the fucking sleeper with
a little smile on his face and he does this
little fucking sarcastic tap and I'm going, Okay, how do
you not have this play out like this and like
I said, fantasy booking, it's fucking idiotic. But just to

(09:29):
actually be able to continue the story and have it
go forward and put real tangible heat on the guy
and have it makes sense. Sena taps, Guntera gets up,
puts his arms up. Scena's laying on the mat. Gunter
turns and sees the replay and sees the look on
Sina's face, tapping almost sarcastically like all right, I'll see

(09:49):
you later, and Gunter goes, will you think this is
a fucking joke? Right? Was a game? What do you
think is a fucking game to you? Like, I'm playing
with you. You think this is cute? And you have
gun to beat him fucking senseless? You have him see
John Cena stretched out by the way, well, all these
other people are walking out like we're here to say

(10:11):
goodbye to him, and played this video package and he's
braining him, beating him and having him leave on a stretcher.
Because then Sena comes in the or Gunter comes in
the next night, and everybody's like, you're a piece of shit,
You're a real piece of shit. Why because that was
John Cena's final match and you didn't roll out of

(10:33):
the ring after beating him so we could watch a
nickelback fucking montage music video. Here's John Cena witch his
paper belt for the forty seven thousandth time.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Remember he was a child at some point. Here he
is in O W Yeah, aren't you so fucking surd
It's like, no, put the heat on the guy, go
all the way this half stepping pussy shit. And then
all of them are then sitting there going, oh, you retired,

(11:05):
John Cena, And I'm mad at you.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm mad grown men, grown men, grown ups, grown women, competitors.
I know he's your favorite quarterback of all times. So
let's go with him. Who played Peyton Manning in his
last game? Do you know off the top of your head?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
No, I don't. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, Well let's pick somebody off the fight. Let's say
it was Mahomes. Sure, why not? Right? If Mahomes played him,
Cam Newton was his last game, Jesus Christ, that's way worse,
all right, So is it cam Newton's fault that he
beat him in his last game?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It would have see I still think you're missing the
nuance of it, right, like you're looking for a smoking
gun you're looking for a concrete factor.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's not that.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
It would be if Cam Newton cut a promo beforehand
and said, man, I can't wait to get rid of
this piece as shit. I've hated Peyton Manning for fucking years.
I don't like the people in Indianapolis. Fuck those people.
I am happy to not only beat him at this
game tonight, but you know, never see him again, you know,

(12:18):
like that.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Let's say the game was then clean as a sheet
and they blew him out forty to three.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I think it's just the semantics of him being happy
about it. That's what it is. If Gunther went out there,
all right, let's paint. Let's paint this picture. Okay, since
the other way is kind of confusing, Let's do it
like this. If Gunther went out there on the previous
Monday night and he cut a promo saying, this is
an honorable event. I get to face John Cena, one

(12:47):
of the greatest alive today, for his very last match.
I won this tournament fairly, and I am a competitor
through and through, and even though this is his very
last match, I will wrestle old John Cena to the
very best of his ability and now you get that
kind of response that we got on Monday night raw,

(13:10):
I would be standing right next to you throwing the shoe.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, I mean the fans, This is the difference, the
fans and the workers, the workers, even the characters, the wrestlers,
Like I said, they should be looking at this and
going he won, He won the match, He won it clean.
It was a clean competition, you know, like that to me,
is the problem if Gunter choked him out with the

(13:34):
fucking lace off his boot or hit him with a
for an object.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I mean, that was the one thing that I said
right right when we were in the middle of the show.
Is I think the biggest missed opportunity was the fact
that Gunther didn't lay it in afterwards. Even if John
Cena had the stupid smile, and I agree with you
that he should have fucking snapped at that, but he
should have just kept going. There was literally no reason
for Gunther to stop, and based upon his comments from

(13:59):
the week's raw, that's what he was going to do,
and he didn't fulfill his obligation. So it was even
more silly. Not people's reaction to gun there on Monday,
not the wrestler's reaction or the character's reactions to gun
Through on Monday. What pissed me off was Gunther's sense

(14:20):
of self fucking pride over that match. If I was
Gunther after that match, he should have came out there
pissed off, and he should have grabbed the microphone and
told people, I really messed up. I really messed up.
And then you wait for the crowd to go, yeah,
you fucked up. John Cena rules blah blah blah, and

(14:41):
Gunther goes into the mic and he says, I should
have fucking hurt him. I should I should have him.
So even though he didn't do it, they had another
missed opportunity to fix that on Monday and turn around
and say, you know what, I let him go too soon.
It is my fault. I should have broke him in half,

(15:02):
you know.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And again, nothing wrong, that's the problem here. He did
nothing wrong. Like I said to the fans, you retired
my guy, you retired the my favorite quarterback, you retired
my favorite basketball player. Sure whatever, right, Yeah, that all
goes into the hat for the fans. But for the

(15:24):
other wrestlers to look at him, and he won the match, right,
He did it clean. He didn't cheat, he didn't hit
anybody in the balls, he didn't put his feet on
the ropes. What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's just talking about smug sense. It's kind of like,
and I don't think that WW is doing this intentionally,
but it feels like, Look, he's a foreigner, boo, the foreigner.
Why because he's a foreigner.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Eh, he's from that place Austria you all know so well.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I and i's like a snazzy sense of dress and
a hot wife boo.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Wearing a trench coat and his tall Oh no.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
But that's what help like. It feels like it's almost
a throwback that the only reason people are booing Gunther
is because he's he's not like us Americans.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, which we we don't get along anymore. What
is that like? How does that make sense? Like? I
tell you, listen, we can all come together as Americans
and hey, no we can't. Right, we have a common enemy.
Who's a common enemy anymore? The government?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's kind of government corporations.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, people hate the system more than they hate people
from other places for the most part.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I feel like, but that's why the people old old trope.
It's an old trope. But Again, I really don't think
ww is doing that. Maybe they're leaning into that a
little bit. Maybe there's some you know, more that subtlety
going on that WWE still wants you to dislike him
because he talks a little funny. But I think the
reality of it is is just the fact that he

(17:07):
enjoys his job. You're supposed to hate him a little bit,
and I think that's ultimately Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
He's like, I am having a good day at work today.
Fuck you ain't. I didn't. I don't have good I did.
I did well and performed as I was supposed to.
Oh you think you're better than me? You did your
job welling correctly like.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
An ass ask for a raise.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, ye oh, what are you gonna do next? Be
successful in your career as you're supposed to in an
earnest and correct way. What a piece of garbage like
this is? Like I said, maybe for some people that
are hearing this, they're going, oh, Joe, listen to you,
you old fucking ding beat beating a dead horse, trying

(17:55):
to find an angle to this. But no, I'm truly
watching the show and I'm thinking to myself, I'm going
all of the people backstage are upset and mad at
this and why I don't understand why, Like you said,
truth truth, sure, because there's a history there here, right,
that's my hero. Otis fucking What the fuck does otis

(18:16):
cam to? What toes are with air?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know. That's why I said party. John Ceno
was Jesus Christ of WWE. He was walking on water
and Gunther's ponchos pilot. You know, he was just following orders.
It's just it's it's all semantics, it really is, and
that's what why this has failed so poorly. There's been

(18:39):
a lot of backlash home. To be fair, there's been
weird backlash. Right, So there's the people in your camp,
I should say our camp, because I don't like the
way that this is going either. But in our camp
it's more along the lines of it's not that anybody
here was upset about Johnsena retiring. It was about the
way that the company handled it. It's about all the
missteps along the way. It's about this whole retirement tournament

(19:03):
was wacky and fucking really short sighted. And then there's
the fans that are genuinely pissed off at Seena for
smiling during the submission. He thinks that he purposely tried
to tank Gunther and ruin this, and it's like for
those people, it's like, well, whatever, I get it. I mean,
there's people that just genuinely hate John Cena anyways and

(19:25):
are happy that he's gone. So it's like there's a
lot of these weird little cesspools of fandom going on
right now because of this. But the one thing that
everybody can agree on, the one thing that everybody can
agree on, nobody is happy with what the outcome was.
No one is.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And it's just like I keep going back to and
I know, like once again the people that listen to
our two hour show, and like I saw some people
being like, oh, these guys can ever talk about your matches.
I'm like, no, the matches can fuck off. So this
is important. This is the interesting shit, at least to
a US. If you don't like it, I don't know,
hit the fast forward button or something. I can't know

(20:04):
what to tell you, but like this to me going forward,
I'm thinking, I'm going, well, what are you selling to me?
What do you have to sell? And then I've watched
the mean event on these ross for the past couple
of weeks and I'm going, oh, so it's Logan Paul.
It's Logan Paul in these weird greenhorn fucking matches. That's it.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I did laugh at Joe Joe at one point, and
I think he got cut off by Barrett where he
was saying it doesn't matter what Logan Paul's done in
his career, you can't deny how he was made for WWE.
I should I should have sound clipped that because I
think Wade's like.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
And by the way, and I mean this in the
same way that I would as you know, trying to
speak for men who are our age and around our age,
who aren't Internet savvy if you want to call it that,
or haven't been around any of the shit. I think
you're sitting around as a guy in your forties. You're
not yeah, a couple of kids, you're not on the

(21:10):
Internet all the time. Maybe you're a WWE casual fan, right.
You think you're getting a ticket to go to Monday
Night Raw. You're going, Shit, that's expensive, but all right, whatever,
and you think you're gonna show up and you're gonna
see I mean, I guess ray, that's your that's your
buy out there. But like you're thinking, okay, here's maybe

(21:30):
even Roman Reigns or Raind Jordan, god forbid, even a
Shamus or anybody. And then your main event is like
Logan Paul over and over again. You're like, who the
fuck is this guy? They don't know who it is? Like,
I assure you, there are plenty of people to tune
into WWE that don't know who Logan Paul is. They

(21:51):
didn't know who Bad Bunny was missed? Do you think
they don't know? There's people that aren't like who the
fuck is Logan Paul.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Logan Paul pays to be there? We forget about this.
Logan Paul pays to wrestle in WWE. He pays for
that prime sponsorship.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is like the promoter that keeps putting himself in
the main event against the name that he brings in.
Is that what it is? Yay?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Guz you think you think WWE Scott is giving him
free prime space?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh no, god no no. But it's funny. It's like
it's every everything that's everything that's a big serious thing
a corporation or whatever. Sometimes it always just comes back
around to Carnie bullshit. Right. Oh yeah, once again, everybody
that has ever been around wrestling knows the indy where
the booker is the guy that wrestles in the main

(22:48):
event against fucking gang Growl that he pays to bring
into wrestle.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know, just a prime drink too. Let me throw
this out here too. We forget that. As of the
last few weeks especially, they've really been hammering home that
the Logan Paul podcast Impossible Impossible is a WWE podcast,
So now he's gonna start getting a lot of WWE
guys on his show, and he has for a while,

(23:13):
but it seems like now when they're whenever they're talking
about and your podcast week this week is Stephanie, Taker,
Cody and Logan Paul, and it's like, man, I guess
we just forgot about Pat all of a sudden. Huh yeah,
fuck Pat McAfee.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Right, But Pat McAfee, like, does he does he want
to distance himself? I don't know, Like it seems like
they would love nothing more but to fucking have their
noses jammed in his ass. Still, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I I've always had this feeling, and this is just
a fans feeling because I really don't know, But I
think the work ethic that WWE requires, and him trying
to step into the ring at one point too, but
also just being there for all the comentary at one point,
I think it was just a lot. It's it's like

(24:03):
one of those things he just bid off more than
he could chew. So I think WWEE and Pat need
to kind of come to the table again and say, hey,
can you show up for like at least eight events
a year, you know some of them? Yeah, when he
is on, he is, and let's not forget too at
the end there he was really not doing well on.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
A Yeah, but there's this point where you got Logan
Paul and your main event over and over again. And
I'm not saying like once again, not like this kid's
the worst or anything, and he has a lot of potential,
He's still incredibly green, but these should be tag matches.

(24:51):
He should be like, why is he in singles matches?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Because they knew it was the show looking stupid match
just to introduce the Sami Garara to point oh out.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
There, Oh yeah, oh you mean, don't you say you
mean Daniel Garcia?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh I'm sorry the other ones?

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah for Garcia. Yeah, that's at least at least Sammy
has it in him to get a haircut instead of
instead of a whiffle. I mean that was bad. I mean,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was actually disappointed because I was kind of hoping
the people that I was reading were right about it
actually being old boy. Oh Jesus, why might Blake got
his name all of a sudden Starks?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, Ricky, that would have been better to be Starks
at this point, it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Would have made sense. You had to see him punk
out there. I'm like, man, you guys even wrote it
in that if it was Starks, it would have made
a lot more.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Sense, right, And it made Not only did it not
really make sense to some extent, but the.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Crowd didn't care.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
No, no reaction. Doesn't even look like him, and even
if it did look like him, they still don't give
a fuck like I I saw. Quite literally, the only
reason I know this happened was because I got spoiled
alerted by a fucking coworker that watches wrestling, and they
told me today right before I was heading home to
watch the last hour. They're like, oh, something something Austin Derry,

(26:11):
And I was like, oh, well, that's ruined for me,
But okay, uh, but yeah, they so he took the.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Ruin like you were looking at forward.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I was shocked. I tell you, who's gonna win in
this fight between Batman and the Joker? Well? Was Batman? Shit?
Uh no, obviously I knew that it was gonna be
it was going to be him, and then the dark
horse was obviously Ricky Starks, which now, like I said,
in hindsight, it probably should have been him. Nobody in

(26:43):
the crowd reacted because they don't give a fuck about
Austin Theory. And then they didn't even recognize him.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think people were even expecting seeing it as show
up they want to do something, dude.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I think there were people that somewhere over the
rainbow were like, is that Jericho? Just so it could
be somebody that matters to the show at all? I mean, now,
is this really what we think we're going to be
doing as your main events for the next what three
to six months? Where you're gonna have some mix of

(27:18):
Logan Paul or now Austin Theory. Who gives a fuck
about that guy? Absolutely nobody gives a fuck about Austin Theory.
I'm sorry, and I get it. Well, now this is
the opportunity to build him up. Then aren't you excited for?
Where's Braun? Have Bronson wrestle? Is he hurt? What's wrong

(27:41):
with him? This guy? What happened?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
He just got done killing Ellie Knight?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's fine, then he should go out and kill somebody else.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
You talk about that for a minute. Two. The fact
that Ellie Knight is supposedly perfectly healthy and they wrote
him off TV?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Did he fuck Steph?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I don't know what the fuck happened? But La Night
I was reading it on a few places. I just
saw a fightful reporting like Yesterday Night or whatever, and yeah, yeah,
he's basically fucking getting wrapped up, and it's like, what
did he What did he do? What did La Night
do to draw?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
There was a point where like, oh yeah, La and
I could be a fun last Sina opponent. Wwe not
only said fuck you, they said fuck that. And now
he's just written off a TV. Listen, we don't need
this guy. That's over.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
We got Austin Theory to come in and fill the
Oh god, oh yay, wow, that's great. What a good replacement?
Like what the fuck are they doing?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
They don't even know? I don't even know are they
gonna Are they gonna put him under some kind of
a mask and we have to guess in six months
who he is. Is that gonna be the big fucking
storyline for WWE. Hey, you know what, We're not gonna
do the big announcements. Guys. What we have are Halloween masks.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's it. Yeah, we try. We thought about doing actual
story lines with creativity intention like, but why not just
why not just party city? Why not spirit Halloween? Why
don't we just do bull shit like this? This show,
for the most part, is fucking hot dog shit on
a fucking on a sidewalk.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Fado manh six months six months. It is spiraled out
of control. The bus flip is usually a joke, but
the company needs to fucking jump on the bus at
this point. It is bad. It is really really just unwatchable.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Agents are doing a horrible job. The writers are doing
horrendous fucking job. I don't know if there's writers, but
whoever's back there that is writing the show or working
on writing the show, fucking shame on you.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Hey, I will you know what we've we've kind of
been shitting on this for a second, though. I do
want to bring up a good point, and thanks to
Oki for for reminding me a nice dominic to get
a three way going with living Roxy.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh Jesus, did you see the way both of those
girls were just literally drooling on him.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
He's the only one that's getting booked in a way
that he's like at least it's it's nice for him
to show up.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh my god, you know, thank you dom for saving
the show.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like, there is a point where I like, God, fucking
damn it. I'm trying to remember just the variety of bad, green,
shitty wrestlers on the show. It's like Maxine versus Ivy Nile,
which is better than I thought it was gonna be.

(30:38):
But that's not saying much. I don't get it. Why
are we doing this? It doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
They want the next so it feels like they're trying
to groom us into enjoying the next crop of WWE stars.
But they're not using legends to build them. They're just
using their own existence.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Whatever's around them. Yeah. Well no, apparently Logan Paul gets that.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Logan, you can't just say that though. Stephanie Stephanie Vacher
apparently needs it too, because now they've reinserted Nicki Bella
into the mix, who, by the.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Way, like Riquel was okay and this.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, that was all right, it was fine. Yeah, And
I saw that you commented on the fact that you
were happy that she was shit talking in Spanish made
perfect sense. I even liked the fact when she had
her backstage segment when Live and Roxy were both like, hey,
you need your girls out there tonight, and She's like, no,
I want to beat this bitch on my own. I'm
like cool, I like this simple. She's arrogant, she's she

(31:46):
believes in herself, she's a heel, and she goes out
there against Stephanie. Although I will say, doesn't it feel
like Stephanie's taking a back seat to herself lately? And
I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's almost like
the Stephanie that was first introduced to us after NXT
was way too popular, and now the Stephanie that we

(32:09):
have today is like some beaten version of herself. And
then you have Nikki, Niki fucking Bella popping up out
of nowhere, flooring everybody like, uh.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
UDEI this this division is Maine.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
In m joining this division, I'm the most important woman
in the world, and I'm like, Oh, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
These people, La don't I respect me? Uh Like, oh no, dude, someone.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Else, bring back Beth Phoenix, Like it's just anybody else. Really,
nicky Nikki is going to be the cornerstone of what's
determining for a good wrestler or good talent.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Dude, She's been a.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Running gag for fifteen fucking years.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yes, this is This is the craziest thing to me
about watching Vicor at this point. And clearly I am
biased as shit because I just I just loved She's
so fucking and she's really fucking good in the ring,
but also just aesthetically unreal, just stunningly gorgeously that to me,

(33:23):
she's like one of the hottest women I've ever seen
in wrestling. That's just my taste, my feeling on it.
So obviously I'm biased from that angle. But also I
look and I go, this, this is it. You get
this woman with this aesthetic and these matches and the
reaction she's getting, and what you've got for her is

(33:46):
that she's got to keep fucking reheating fucking Nikki Bella, Yeah,
this is what you have for this. Like in the
same respect as like the way that we used to
you know, ten fifteen years ago, there was the smart
part of your brain where you'd go, well this guy
on the indies or you know, people were doing it
as recent as probably thirty seconds ago. Well this guy

(34:08):
went to from AW went to WWE. They just mistreat
Are we that far off at this point, because it's like, yes,
Stephanie Forkor's life in AW would have been a fucking
waste of time. But at this point I'm going is,
with the exception of the pay and the exposure and

(34:29):
the travel and lifestyle, it's certainly not creatively any better.
She's certainly not getting better matches. She has a belt,
but she's defending it against dead dogs.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That real problem, and she's trying to pick them up.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
And I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Raquel's a dead dog. But Nicky Bella is just a
weird I don't know, it's the weird learning tree. They
think that Nicky Bella is the learning tree of women's wrestling.
This is a role that should be saved for somebody
like Charlotte. If Charlotte was doing this to Stephanie, that
would make so much more sense. Nikki Bella making these

(35:06):
claims and trying to build all this heat by being
this great legendary wrestler that nobody respects. Nobody respects you
because you're not a legendary fucking wrestler.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's not, yeah, no one, but nobody believes that. No
one on this fucking earth that is like remotely at
all connected to wrestling. That isn't sure. And no offense
to these people, because you know, they keep the fucking
wheels moving. But like you're you know, I buy seventy

(35:36):
fucking t shirts. I buy my six hundred dollars fake
fucking belch and wear it like those fans obviously fucking matter,
and I won't talk down to them fully because those
are the people that are going and buying these tickets
and paying for the shows and keeping wrestling going because
the reality is this ninety eight percent of the people
on the internet, don't, you know. But I look at

(35:58):
it and I go, Nobody really fucking goes, oh my god,
Nikki bella legendary pro wrestler, really a fucking game change
and talent. But like you're right, Charlotte, the whole fucking
the whole crowd turns on Charlotte as well as the internet.
She's an evil bitch and terrible and all she wants

(36:20):
to do is bury the young talent and blah, why
isn't she unless unless somebody back there has half a
fucking brain and goes, all right, listen, we gotta give
Nicky work for three months. It's to Harley Race fucking paycheck,
you know what. We wanted to get some money, and
then we're gonna build towards a Charlotte for why not?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Why not Natty? If Natty's in this role of being
the cruel trainer, why wouldn't she be the one to
go out there and go I'll stretch you too.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, like it's just even having her show up
and be like just looking at Stephanie Vacoor and and
going like, hey, yeah, so you're this hot shit I guess.
I mean, you know, I had the heart name on
me and they didn't bring me in and treat me
as good as they treated you. What fuck's up with that?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Dirk says, why not Trish? I think even heel Trish
probably could get away with it, but people don't want
a boo Trish people, I think genuinely, just like singer
on TV, I think you could even try somebody like
a Mickey James, if they'd ever figure out what's wrong
with working with her?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Right, Yeah, they're like, yeah, we'd love to have trash.
You get booed and it's like, eh, too, milfy two Canadian.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Here's another one too, here's another name that people would
love to boo. And maybe this isn't such a solid piece,
but about Michelle McCool, people hate her. People hate her,
They fucking hate her.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Could you imagine, honest to god, you're not wrong if
Michelle McCool came out and you know, somebody like Jeff
and e Acre where she looked at her and she goes,
what are you the devil?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
You're the what is this? This is wrong? You shouldn't
even be on television. What is wrong with this? This
black hair and this evil and the people.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I wasn't even saying I was saying it more from
the from more sorry, more from the coach aspect, like
I make or break kids like you every day I
tell people if they're going to have a career, not
in w w W.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Don't even no let her let her be an entitled
trophy wife who looks at her and goes, do you
know who my husband was?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, same vein, right, same vein. Not necessarily the devil stuff,
but more along the lines of both. Oh yeah, maybe
you could do both.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I just think that I have history. I have history
with taking somebody in my life who lost their way.
They believed in evil and the devil and the undead,
and I took one of the strongest, most amazing people
in professional wrestling history, and I showed them the light

(39:11):
and I found them.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And I sound like Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Because that's a heel. It's a heel, bye, bro, That's
what a fucking heel sounds like. Right, That's what it
sounds like. And that's also the people that love a heel.
But that's what you say, I took the if I
can take the underticker and make him a man of God, Stephanie,

(39:35):
I can clean you up. We can get some pretty
we can get your hair looking nice and pretty and blonde.
We can get you in a nice dress. We can
make you respectable instead of whatever this is like, they
could really do something. Who else said it's Nikky fucking Bella.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
You want to hear another name that people would just
absolutely get pissed off about. And it would only work
for a few weeks until she lost interest. But Ronda Rousey,
Ronda Rousey coming.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Back, that would require talent, but no, seriously.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
About it, Ronda Rowsey coming out of nowhere and talking
about how she's the cornerstone, the best women's wrestler, blah
blah blah. And she did it in UFC and now
she did it in WWE. Like people would really shit
all over her for that, And I don't know if
she could mentally handle that.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Her ego can't handle it, right, it just can't. Like
she's just a fucking self involved shitty bitch. Like that's
that she is so up her own asshole that she
would try to intentionally be bad and then be mad
with people just screwed her for being bad. That's like

(40:47):
the definition of someone who's a complete fucking malignant narcissist,
where it's like you try, I'm gonna do everything I
can to get a reaction and a rise out of
people and piss them off, and then they're like that
pissed me off, and it's like you don't love me?
Why don't you love me? That's a ship that's like
basic one oh one shitty narcissistic behavior. It's doing everything

(41:10):
you can to get attention and to get a reaction
and a rise out of people, and then being angry
at that rise that you get.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
There was also the Sampunk promo that was, yeah, rough
phoned in and I love them phoned in like you
don't have heart? Oh, shut up, shut up. John Cena's
two point. Oh, I know you have balls, Bronson, but.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
You don't have heart. And your dad is stupid. Yeah,
all uncles stupid.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Bron breakers, dead uncle. You might have Steiner math, but
gts shut up. Awful.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's and that's it. It's like, you know, it's really rough.
When the people that we expect to help dare I
say save the show, you're just going, oh woof state
cop ain't ready. I don't give two focks about that
title match at all. Here's the best case scenario. See

(42:15):
him Punk retains and then I go, okay, well, then
what are you gonna do next? He's going to continue
to get beat up by Hayman's butt boys. Yippie.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Oh, they're gonna have Austin theory. Maybe interject themselves, huh yeah,
hooray Punk versus Austin theory Wrestlemaniam Funny One.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I mean, I really have to ask people this, and
I don't wish poorly on these people. Austin Theory is
still a young guy. I think he's under thirty even,
But do you really believe in your heart of hearts
that he has developed some amazing personality and promo since
the last time, not even when we saw him with

(42:56):
Grayson Waller in that horrible fucking act, but from the
times of when Vince was pushing him mercilessly. Do we think,
do we really believe that he's right the ship and
now he's a guy who can carry this show with
a fucking sharp razor sharp Witten attitude. It's like, no,
he's a chuckle fuck from fucking Georgia with abs Like

(43:20):
that's it, dude, it's not. It's basically every mediocre guy
in TNA that.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Didn't make Maddox is drinking, buddy.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
That's what he is, right, I mean, honest to God.
And this is gonna sound crazy because I always shit
on the guy. But at least if in your mind
you were like, you know what, what if we gave
Grayson Waller this big push, I'm like, at least people
hate him and he can talk. At least they hate
him like they actually are, Like this guy's fucking annoying.

(43:53):
They're indifferent to us and Theory. There's a fucking around him.
When he left, nobody really cared, like there's no reason
for Austin Theory to be this big mystery partner thing
that just came out of nowhere, because yeah, you're right,
not only was nobody expecting it, but nobody cared it
was him. It wasn't a reveal. A reveal implies that

(44:16):
there's some kind of excitement or anger or something. There
was some kind of an illicit emotional response when he
took off that mask. And when he took off that mask,
the only thing was oh, Austin Theory shaved his head.
Huh oh, yeah, well I guess you got a haircut neat,
but that's it. Like I said, I go, Daniel Garcia,
We got a Daniel Garcia. Great.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
It's not good. It's not good. Whoever's brainchild it was
to put Austin Theory underneath the ski mask is really
fucking sleeping on the job. They're phoning that into the
only other thing that happened in the night too. Obviously,
we're heading on it a little bit. Is Grayson Waller
in The New Day versus the Ussos. They're just completely
ret conning the Ussos. They're ret conning a Jay Usso

(45:01):
singles career. Jimmy Usso's single career just never happened, guys.
And now they come down there to the yeat song
as a partner, as a duo, and the fans eat
it up and they run it back and blah blah blah,
And that seems like that's the new thing now too.
Every time they want to run it back. The real
heel move is to just come on out. Anyways. It's like,

(45:21):
oh wow, they they interrupted the second, third, fourth, tenth entrance.
Oh that's awful, just awful.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
But by the way, I don't I'm assuming you saw
this the videos of Jay Usso yet again, uh pretty
clearly inebriated at John Zena's last shout. Did you do that?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
He was, yeah, shocking, I know.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I think it was just the time difference, Joe. I
think he was perfectly fine, never mind.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
The glad Yeah, yeah, oh my god. Yeah. No. By
the way, it also shows you too where it's like, oh,
he's losing his big push or like maybe they shouldn't
push him. Yeah, fill in the blanks.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Hey, you think they went on drug testing.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I love the idea of them being like of Jay
showing up being like, yo, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Man?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's crazy how they put that breathalyzer over by the
door now and they just all look at him and like, wait,
all you guys. You all had to do that right out,
all you guys, you all had you don't just me which,
by the way, this is not to make light due
to alcoholism. It fucking ruins people's lives. It's obviously a

(46:43):
serious thing. I hate to give all these fucking you know,
qualifiers or anything like that, but get the guy the
fucking help that he needs. I think that they should
have gotten this guy to help when they were getting
Duy's and then the next night they gave him the
tag titles as punishment. I remember that. I'll never fucking
forget that. Where it's like, imagine, dude, if you get

(47:04):
arrested and you get a fucking DUI and you work
for like the Department of Public Works, They're like, shit,
we might have to fucking leg you off.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Doesn't it really depend on who he was drinking with
the night before though.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Oh that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I mean he might be a company man, company man
Jay Usa drinking with the bosses.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah yeah, he's drinking with the undertaker. I don't know, no,
but like that's come on, like this is one of
those situations were damn stop enabling me, oose like this
is this is bad. It's a forty year old man,
and you gotta somebody's gotta step in and be like, okay,
don't do that. And yes, they're like interview like I

(47:45):
don't know if you said I think it was with
Jackie Redman wish. I don't know. Maybe Jackie Redman just
in her. It's just they're everywhere. But she found drunk
Jay uso. He found drunk Jay Usa. Wasn't she?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Also? Wasn't it her? And Rose that also interviewed him
at the Hall of Fame when he stumbled through probably
the worst promo in his career, So the point where
Rosenberg was like filling in the gaps of his own
promo for him, and then he was dancing to take
the camera off of Jay who's.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Like, oh my god, He's like my name is nine.
Yeah right, no it was and Rosenberg's like Jay Huso, Yeah, yeah,
the main event. Yeah that's you all right? Yeah, Like
enough enough. This show needs a massive fucking overhaul on
every level. They gotta fix this up. They gotta do something, because.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You've gotta do shit. You know why they don't have
to do shit, Joe, because they keep making more and
more money. So it doesn't matter how much criticism comes
from people like us, like minded podcasts, or even other
wrestlers that do podcasts, people that genuinely care or no
about what's going on with WWE. It doesn't matter because

(49:04):
as long as they keep making money, what the fuck
do you know?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Well, you can only go to a well so many times.
And I say that because everybody remembers, like they've seen
this happen. Back in the day when people would go
to movies, there was the movie that would open the
first week and it was like, oh, it did pretty good,
and then word of mouth got out that it was
a fucking stinker, and then the next week it dropped

(49:33):
off sixty percent, and it's like, oh, everybody knew that
it sucked. People found out that it wasn't that good.
They thought the commercials looked fucking awesome. Right, Oh, yeah,
that looks like that movie's going to be great. And
then people walked out of it, and then they went
to work and they what did you see over the weekend?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I saw this? Oh it was it good? That's fucking terrible, man,
And that just spreads like wildfire. Well you know what,
WWE comes here town? Oh, WWE's on fire right now.
You spend six hundred dollars on a fucking dickhead because
he's Logan paul In. Your main event in Austin's theory,
is the mystery man. And then someone says, hey, you

(50:12):
have fun of the wrestling show last night? You go,
dam it was all right. It's really expensive though, But.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
That's that's our fault, No, it really is. It's the
fans' fault in that scenario because we keep buying the hype.
We can't buying the hype, and we don't punish them
for the substance or the lack of substance. And that's
the thing. Until people stop buying the hype and start
looking for substance, until that starts reflecting financially on WWE,

(50:40):
this is gonna be quid pro quo for god knows
the foreseeable future until it stops, and I unfortunately don't
think it's gonna stop anytime soon. I mean it, it's
not doing great, but WWE whether it's because of the
genius of people like Nick con or whatever other people
they have working there, maximizing their strategy financially and otherwise,

(51:02):
they keep turning l's into w's, they keep making the price.
They might know you're you're absolutely right, but I'm just saying,
why would you change anything? It's the whole. If it
ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, it is broken, but
the machine keeps working for some magical fucking reason anyways,

(51:22):
And so they're not gonna fuck with anything if it's
still printing them money and not even just printing them money,
printing them more money than when the machine works properly.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
So it's gonna I'm telling you, there's gonna be a dip,
and it's gonna be the economy. It's gonna be the product.
And like I said, it's gonna be word of mouth.
People are gonna go, I can't fucking afford this shit, yeah,
and it's not good enough for me to pay for.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
And but people haven't been saying this over a year now,
a year plus. They were saying this before w w
W went to Vegas for Mayia the first time. The
problem isn't just WWE, it's Ticketmaster, it's the economy, like
you said, But people are still putting in that money
and they work around it. Look, we have a smaller
turnout of house shows, Well get rid of house shows.

(52:14):
Wait what, Well, then we're gonna lose a ton of money. No, no,
we're gonna do more international touring. We're gonna leech the
money out of foreign countries. Oh well, look at our numbers.
They're they're up thirty. Well, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
We're gonna do. All we gotta do is fucking fly
across the planet. That's all we gotta do. To drill
the earth. That's all we have to do is just
drill the fucking earth. I love the idea of At
this point, we're all kind of like, well not everybody,
but for the most people are going, yeah, man, look

(52:48):
at all this is. It's it's doing so great. I'm like,
you're fracking wrestling fans. You're fracking the residence fan. That's
exactly that's all you're doing. You're sticking your Dick to
the Sound of the Year is shaking it. Some shit's
coming out. You're going, what could go wrong? Right? This
could never come back to aunt us. They're like, no, no,

(53:09):
it's good. No, No, that's that's good. What are you
guys doing. You're going to Australia and charging them six
bajillion dollars for mediocre wrestling shows. Well, I'm sure the
next time you guys will go back, there won't be
any diminishing returns with that.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Scott's right, that'll work. Well, He's like, it's more like
they're strip mining us, taking everything.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, I mean, like when you see the old buildings,
like the abandoned buildings where people go in and steal.
Someone's going into like a fucking dead like abandoned mall
and they go in there and it's you some like
day labor ripping in the fucking shit out. I was like,
sh I'm selling I'm selling Alexa Bliste dolls for sixty dollars.

(53:55):
Don't let anybody know. I'm definitely not fucking but just.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
So that's where we're at, and I kind of agree.
You know, Oki says, you know, when WWE moves to
Saudi Arabia, that's another thing too. I think I guess
when when that happens, the entire landscape of how Americans
will see and treat WWE will change dramatically. It might
be the actual smoking gun that we were talking about,

(54:22):
you know, theoretically with WW getting abandoned. WWE finally losing
money is when they abandoned America. But it's a funnier
thing too. And this total side note, but going to
the sena stuff. So the reason I don't know if
you saw that or read that, but Randworton put up
a little thing on Instagram or Twitter or something, and
basically he was explaining, you know, about his love for

(54:45):
John Cena and let me see if I can pull
it up real quick. He says, I broke into the
wrestling business and grew up for the past two decades
a long sina I wrestled with or against him a
hundred times. At least I would have enjoyed being there
in DC and witness his emotional s enough in the retirement.
But I know if anyone understands my absence, it's John.
Because I was in Ryda, Saudi Arabia promoting the Ride

(55:07):
of Season and the Royal rumble. Why would so I
have to stop it right there? Why in the living
fuck would wwe think it's a good idea that Randy
Orton has to promote the Royal Rumble in fucking Saudi
Arabia during John Cena's retirement.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Oh my god, it's so fucking ridiculous. It's so fucking
And by the way, it's like, what's the Royal Rumble
two months away?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
What is right now I'm doing that night? Was even
watching it? Or was he actually sitting there passing out
flyers or some shit, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Like just showed up in press conferences, which, by the way,
like also to some extent in my mind, I can't
help but think like, oh, what are you doing over there,
Randy Orton? And he's like, I just get massaged by slaves. Yeah, sorry, John,
couldn't there. I was getting he waited on hand and
foot by human traffic adults. Not great at least it

(56:08):
wasn't children, John, Right, good news, Right, never give up.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Still a better promo than gun Through on Monday. I'm
just saying, still a better promo.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And dude, I don't know, man, I've just gotten to
this point where, yes, the Saudi Arabia thing. We just
all as wrestling people accept it. You go, well, I
guess this is just what the fuck it is, you know,
But you're right at the same exact time, You're like,
what if we send Randy Orton over there two weeks
before Christmas for John Cena's last wrestling match. Fucking why?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I mean he could have at least done a phoner
or something, right, like they had all these lazy, lazy
break promos. Oh, John Sena meant so much to my career.
You just got here two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Shut up.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
They could have had Randy or pieces of paper I know,
to say like thank you. It's like, fuck, why couldn't
they have just phoned fucking skyped Randy Orton? You know, like.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I love I just love the idea of I'm being
like so, Randy, you've been kind of like the two
or the wanted points even so John Cena for the
past quarter of a century. But we really need you
to do his go to the Middle East and pomp
a fucking show that's not happening for two months. Like,

(57:34):
I what do you say? What do you say to that?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I didn't even know this nine oh five throws it up.
He says that they also had an NXC house show
on Saturday on Saudi Arabia. Oh, I don't know. I
think it was. No, I don't know. Just why are
you even having shows on John Cena's I just I
don't know, man, I was in Columbia, South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Sorry, it was Well, that's very different. I thought, well, no,
what's this somebody who just posted this in here Live
Morgan and Randy Orton headline WWE stars appearing at beast
Arena in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, oh, mister Beastland. Yes, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Mister Beastland looks amazing. It's it's it's is that what
he's he's building there? He's building an amusement park over there.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It's not it's more like an American gladiators park. And
if you win, you get to compete on one of
his shows for like a million shekels and like some
of his candy or something.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I don't know which. Dude, I gotta fucking point this
out to people when and ever anybody is like, no,
shit's going good and we should be positive and people
are just being negative unneededly. Oh no, you can't tell
me that twenty years ago, give or take. You know,
maybe twenty five years ago. This wouldn't be in Orlando.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Oh yeah, you know for sure. Dan actually brings up
till he's like that fucking demons associated with the Saudi's.
I'm not surprised from what I understood too, Joe, mister
and I once again, I never double checked this. I'm
just going based on the video that I was watching.
Mister Beasts was the first person to build an amusement park,
I guess, or this type of amusement park in Saudi

(59:17):
Arabia because never before have they ever thought about fun
as a commodity.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
So wait a second, So what you mean is we
can charge money for smiles? Yes, yes, so they pay
money to make a smile on their face.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
To make children have hap ha happy.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
So let me ask you this, in terms of making
people happy, do you hit them in the feat with stick?
It's hard hard.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
We have game too, it's called throw stone, bro.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
And then Bill Burr comes in. There's a fucking TGI
Fridays here. It's just like America. Dude, talk about someone
who put a fucking gun in their mouth and just
blew out the back of their fucking head this year,
like in terms of people, like we've all seen some

(01:00:16):
real impressive fucking career suicides in our day, right Like
at this point, like everybody talks about like a Kramer,
you know, they pulled they pulled a Kramer, which, by
the way, at this point, I have to say, and
this is like just my opinion as a fucking frumpy,
middle aged white guy, but I'm just throwing it's out

(01:00:36):
there as a possibility. I really believe that Kramer is
fucking sorry for what he did. And why I say
that is because how easy would it have been for
him to hitch his wagon too? I was canceled. I
didn't even do anything. I was just trying to make
a joke. They came in, I didn't do anything wrong.

(01:01:01):
I'm a victim. How easy could he have done that
in the past five years? And he was like nah,
And he's like, I you know what, I I fucked up.
I made my Seinfeld money. I'm just gonna be old
and fuck off and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Well. See, I don't know, man, because I mean from
what I was hearing that now that there's a whole
bunch of fatigue going around, I thought that he's getting
Michael Richards is getting his career back in order, so
he's getting ready for another stand up comedy run. It's
just easy and then and then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
There'll be people to be like, I don't understand what
what did he do wrong? I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I mean, come on, you don't have to be a
genius to figure out what's wrong with Michael Richards stand up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Just well, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I don't think I would be. I would genuinely be
surprised to find the person that said I don't know
what he said wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Really, dude, he was joking. He was just joking. Man,
you don't understand jokes. I could see that he was
not joking. He lost his ship. Oh I know, I
agree with you. I'm saying I can see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I know I'm paraphrasing what the other person would have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, right right. They would be like, come on, hasn't
he suffered long enough for to be like suffered? He's
got like fifty million dollars, He's fine, he's he's chilling,
he doesn't want to do shit. But like, that's what
I'm saying is like burd basically just said why don't.
I just completely can make fucking careers. Yeah, and not

(01:02:28):
even give a five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And no surprise at Burd's in it for the money.
It doesn't surprise me at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
It's sad. I mean it is. It is truly fucking sad.
But that's it. It's like, wwe just them during the
very week. But you could have sent him out Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I mean it's a long flight either way, whether it's
from DC or wherever the fuck was he in Kansas City?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
No, he's still in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Well no, no, I mean it's it's daily life now.
Unless he moves there, unless he's looking, he's like, wait
a second, I just stay here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Do you like beaches, Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, He's like, wait, I can just rip butts anywhere here.
That's kind of sick. I gets.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Let's get ready to wrap it up. Much love to
everybody joining us live, much love to the people on
the download, A little bit of a shorter week. I
got places to go, people to see, and of course
we will be back here Thursday. I'm going to put
up another shipbox O Joe. I think on Friday we
need to hear some voicemails. From people reacting to the
scene of retirement thing. Because it's interesting, you don't have

(01:03:34):
anything to say about it. I think it'll be a
relatively easy Friday, easy pasy Friday. So much love, see
us soon.

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