CENAS LAST STAND (Wrestling Soup 12.11.25)

This episode covers the swirling rumors about the possible reveal of Ricky Starks, and the ever-changing landscape of wrestling stables. The guys debate the merits of Austin Theory, Ricky Starks, and other rising stars, while reflecting on the booking decisions of WWE and the influence of Netflix on the product.
You'll also hear their takes on John Cena's retirement match, the future of top talents like Gunther, and the challenges facing both new and veteran wrestlers. Plus, enjoy candid discussions about wrestling's international expansion, the business side of the industry, and plenty of hilarious side tangents about music videos, celebrity appearances, and more.

0:00 - WWE Rumors & Ricky Starks Speculation
15:00 - Austin Theory, Ethan Page, and the State of WWE Booking
30:00 - John Cena's Retirement & Future of the Roster
45:00 - International Expansion & Netflix's Role
1:00:00 - Wrestling in Pop Culture & Final Thoughts

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Oh I can't. I can't take any credit for that.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Come on, now, what happened? Was there a pre recorded
show or something that they did?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
There's leaks. I don't know. I take it with a
grain of salt. You know how four Chan reddit people are,
you know, if these guys can if these guys can
locate like fucking child killers from the glint of a
window at two pm in the South Pacific, I don't know.

(00:32):
Hey there, I'm starting to see rumors that it's Ricky
Stark's under the fucking which is that really a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, no, no, I'm just I'm hoping that they're not
playing this game though now where they're like, oh, everyone
figured out it was awesome theory, so now it's gonna
be Ricky Starks and they're gonna be like, oh, everyone
figured out it's Ricky Starks, so now we're gonna make
it this one like, I'm hoping that's not the case.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
No clue, no clue. I'm not even really lending credence
to it. I know what I said in private would
just kind of like back and forth, but I don't
I don't lend any credence to the way that WWE
has been booking lately, because honestly, if they threw Ricky
Starks in there. While on one hand, I do kind

(01:22):
of believe that the kid needs a big debut, and
I guess the Vision right now is the biggest debut
that they could do for him, I still don't think
that they would know what to do after that.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I can at least know for sure that if you
have Ricky Starks go out there and do what they
need to do for a group like the Vision, his
promos aren't going to embarrass you. And he's a smaller guy.
I guess you could say, so he can go out
there and you know, eat some pins and be in
tag matches with like Logan Paul, and that would be

(01:56):
pretty good. You know. So that's not the worst choice
if that's a you know, actual possibility as to what
we say, you.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Know, I mean, honestly better than Austin theory, better than
oh yeah, better than the idea it's actually being seth
which is just retarded.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
But yeah, that's a fucking nightmare. But I also hope
that it's Starks too, because Starks can talk, and Austin
theory clearly cannot. So that's a huge that's a huge
step up. When you're going to have a group like this,
you need somebody that's actually and I'm not saying like
Theory hasn't had some matches, but let's let's call him

(02:33):
what he is. He's fucking generic. That's why Vince loved him,
because he was like a generic guy with abs and
the haircut and could do the shit in the like,
God love him. But Cornett loved Austin Theory because Austin
Theory looked like every generic guy that would have gone
through ov W. You know, like like this guy could

(02:56):
be a big start. It's like, yeah, maybe in two
thousand and five, Jim, when people just saw a guy
that looks like a TV star and he wasn't got
awful in the ring, so they said cool. But I
don't know, I feel like Austin Theory was a big
blind spot for Cornette. But I don't know, what the

(03:16):
fuck do I know?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't mind Austin Theory, though I know you kind
of feel that way about him too. There were glimmers
of hope with Austin Theory. I don't know, he kind
of had a good attitude or at least in the
ring as a heel, and I always kind of agreed
with you back in the day when we were talking
about potentially when Austin theory finally goes face, or when
they can finally position him to be face, he would

(03:40):
be over like Rover to steal a nineteen fifty seven term.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
But that was it. He could have been a kind
of just the good looking guy baby face fighting from underneath.
That would have been okay for him. I don't think
he would have still been like a huge star. I
really don't think that would have been the case, but
he could have done better than what they kind of
left him off at. But if the rumor that you heard,

(04:05):
like you said, is that it starts, I would take
that over Siri by a lot, if anything like I
was okay with the idea of it being theory, but
now that that was even thrown into my mind, I'll
be a little disappointed if it's not him. Honest.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Other names I saw in there too was Joe Hendry,
and obviously he just did his NXT debut. I mean
to put him in as a heel right off Joe
Hendry debuting as a heel in WWE, right I don't
know about that one.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Either say his name and she appears and he just
turns around and just flips everybody off. It's like, what
do you do?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, like, congratulations, you're dead.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You just got the biggest Yeah, you just got like
the biggest meme wrestler kind of guy around who does
one thing as a babyface and you said, yeah, now
make him a heel Right, that's that would be bad. Uh.
You know, maybe even Ethan Page. I'd kick an Ethan
Page in that role. He'd probably be okay too.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I think Ethan Page is fine where he's at. He's
kind of got his own allure obviously, even as a
title holder. It's just I don't know, I don't know
if you do that with a with a guy who's
got a little prestige down there, Ricky. Ricky's kind of
been in the background here and there. I think Ricky
has a lot more promise than Ethan Page personally. And

(05:27):
I also always kind of go back to this too,
And I don't know how true or honest this could be,
but remember see him punk is his guy?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah that too, Yeah, yeah, because that plays into the
whole saying of you know, at too brutus. You know,
why would you do that to Punk. I guess to
some extent that makes Way finally takes off the mask.
It's gonna be one of those things. Oh my god,
it's it's Ricky Starks.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Or Ricky what do they call him, Stanks Ricky Sank
now Ricky Saints.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, and it's also that name kind of sucks. I
think that they should just make them Starks again now
that clearly he's always Sarks is probably never gonna be seen.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That right too. Yeah, she's kind of disappeared, so you know,
that is what it is. But that's but I think
that's gonna be the big reveal, right, Like, that's gonna
be like, he's the one that turned on Sea. I'm punk,
but they were friends, he was that's more.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, at least that's more of a story than yeah,
Austin Theory or even Ethan Page. I mean, like I
think Eaton Page and I've said this forever, he's uh,
he's a poor man, Shane Douglas. That's always been my
perspective of him.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's not a bad thing to be. Anybody trying to
be Shane Douglas's protege isn't fucking awful. The guy was
a cornerstone of Oh.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, no, it's not the worst thing to be. I'm
just saying, like, it's it is what it is, you know, Like,
that's not the guy that is gonna be the top
of the pops. He's the guy that comes out and
convey as opposed to the people that come out and
shittily try to do the you know your team is
poopy promo. Like, he's the guy that actually comes out

(07:04):
and ships on the crowd and ships on the city
and is believable in that role. You know, maybe, you
know what, maybe not Shane Douglas. He's like, he's like
Canadian miss. Maybe a little better, all right, Canadian miss
with a little bit more upper body, Maybe that would
be they'd be the type cast for him. But no,

(07:27):
at least.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And American Maurice.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh yeah, he fucking wishes. Oh no, no, I think
he's married to he's married to a model if I
of course, of course I remember that being a thing
back before he got signed. He got he was like
the trophy husband. He married some woman who's really pretty
that makes a lot of money, and he was like,
I'm a fucking jerk off. Indie wrestler sits at home

(07:53):
in place with fucking action figures. I'm like the luckiest
guy in the world, and it's like, wow, at least
you know it, right, And at least he's not sitting
there being like I'm I'm a special boy that this
is all mine. It's like, not good for him? What
about my hearts?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, right, at least he's grounded, you know, like that's
a It's always the worst fucking thing. And I think
that's part of why all that drama happened with the
wife of the guy that's on Flagrant the Indian dude,
Oh I remember that. Whereas like she tried to do
the podcast and ended up humiliating him. It's like, don't
try to be your spouse. Just don't do it.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean enough, there's enough wrestlers that are on podcasts
now with embarrassing wives. Come on now.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I was going to just start to listen to them,
but then I was like, yeah, we don't. We only
have There's only so many hours in the day, you know,
there's only so many times you can say. But then again,
I mean, I guess that you could also go with
you have the couples that share their equal embarrassment, you know,
like a Mike and Maria.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh yeah, yes, not enough. We need more. We need
more couple of embarrassing couples on podcasts. I think.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
In podcasts or just in the wrestling world in general,
that might be the move. But yeah, I don't know, man,
like that that to me, like you just dropping that.
I'm like, I feel like that, even though it's a
pie in the sky thing, is that the most interesting
news that has come out in the past I don't know,
forty eight hours or that's kicking her.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Nikki Bella is going to be the grand cheerleader for
the Fiesta Bowl.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh boy, she's going to be the grand cheerleader. She
should be the woman driving the mini van dropping the
cheerleaders off. Yes, I believe, yeah, forty year old woman. Enough.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
No, she's still putting out thirst traps. She is. She
is thirsty these days.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And by the way, it's not like me saying she
looks bad. I do think though, that there is something
to the respect of or not the respect, like, oh,
you got to rebig it. But there's also this point
we just go okay, enough enough already. And I know
someone would say, well, you think Trish looks great or whatever,
and blah blah blah. But Trish also kind of was

(10:10):
a classy. Yeah, there we go challenged, challenged.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I think it wasn't leaving snail trails wherever she went.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, no, likable. I mean, I think there's some words
here that you would uh ascribe to Trish that you
would not to Nicky Bella. So that does kind of
change your perspective. You know, that's the difference between like
a like a Selma Hayak, like an older woman in
Hollywood that you know they get sexy. You know they're sexy,

(10:39):
and they'll probably be sexy until they're a pile of bones,
and then weird shit like Madonna, who's my mother's age,
who's like doing photoshop shit on Instagram. But then you
can catch a flash of where you see the filter
disappears because she's got ghoule hands, like the fucking the Witches.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Crip, like a witch hand now.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Like that movie The Substance, where like it's that's to
wear off and you can see her her fucking monkey
touched me with.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Your fucking bird claw.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah no, so Nikki bell is the Fiesta Bowl, you say.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, she was talking to k T hard News. Well,
obviously the Fiesta Bowl thing came out. They also asked
her about about what's what's the difference of working for
Vince McMath and Triple H? Yeah, what what's the big difference?
Triple H doesn't want to take a ship on my
head every week?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I know, Right, You're like, well, there's a Triple H
is not a complete ghoul, right, you know he's not.
He doesn't terrify me. I'm not freaked out by him. No,
I mean there's there's probably also something to the effect
of where it's like, what's the difference between working in them?
And you're like, well, we wrestling even fifteen years ago

(12:02):
was so goddamn different. You don't even have to start
with who the boss.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Was, right Tony?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Now, like, wait, what did you say, Tony Tony Danzer, Yeah,
Tony Dani Yeah, you don't even have to start with
fucking Tony Dancer. What is your love? Want to shoot
in your here, Tony? You can't take dumps on my hair?
I know, but I gotta get submitted to the volleyball Pricktice,

(12:32):
But first I need to take a dump on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, she goes into her dietribe Joe and she says,
you know, I've had an incredible relationship with him both obviously,
as you can see with Trouble Age. He loves women's wrestling,
which has been so incredible. He gives the women the
same opportunities the men have, whether that's match time, women
fighting in a cage or women mana vetting. He really

(12:58):
spends time on giving them those opportunities, and that's what's
been so incredible. You can see that level of respect
with the fans, and I do believe I do a
triple h and the respect that he has for women's
wrestling has been so fun to be a part of.
And it'd be like, oh my gosh, wait, we'll we
get to do this and we can do that, and
that's amazing. So I should would say that the difference

(13:21):
is the opportunities and the belief that exists in women's wrestling.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I like the I like now instead of making Nicky
Bella sound like a fucking valley girl with a tongue
too big for her mouth, now it's just make her
sound like a punchy boxer.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Well, she's she's getting up there at age, Joe. I'm
sure there's there's.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh you know, I just swing a full love you got,
you Got get Up? No, which, by the way, No,
you're right, that might be her final form, yes, where
she loses the valley. Yeah yeah, oh, by the way,

(14:07):
in non Nicki Bella, but also in the sphere of
Latin American wrestling performers. This came up in my feed.
Did you see that Dom was in a music video
for lots? Yeah. Now, I'm not going to claim that
I will pronounce this man's name correctly and that I

(14:27):
also know any of his catalog, but his name is
Adriel Favella. Anybody who speaks Spanish, feel free to tell
me I'm a dumb greenco But no, Dom's in this
new music video, and no, it's pretty cool. It's coold,
and I guess the guy is popular enough, like he's

(14:48):
apparently a big enough star because it came up in
my feed and I saw the mask and I go, oh,
that's yeah, that's dumb, right, And I saw the mullet
hair poking out, I go okay, and I clicked on it.
I go, okay, you know, this guy's got like five
million views on this look he's doing pretty good. But yeah, yeah, no,
so now, I mean Dom has gotten to a place

(15:10):
in his career where it's not just yeah, I see
this now mix is putting it up. He goes, yeah,
here it is. Yeah, I already posted it, dude. I
might not know what he's saying, but I know how
to cut and paste the link. But no, like, he's
gotten to a point now where it's not just like
he's got to rely like his dad or any of
the other bullshit. Like, No, it's cool to see. It's

(15:32):
cool to see that he's now independent of all that
and he's showing up in for you know, people like
a Spanish Latin speaking artist role too, So clearly he
likes him. It's not just him trying to like suck
up to some fucking rapper and get hype or something.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know. Good for him, it's good. I mean, what
was the last time we saw somebody in a music
video from wrestling?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, Rick, I mean it's more modern, I'm sure. Oh no, No,
Becky Lynch was in the music video for that shitty
pop punk band that is now her entrance music seth
Rollins was in some shitty band. Yeah, but it doesn't
count well our truth, so that's his music, so.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Does does Sammy count Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was he in a music video? Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Her?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Oh? Sam Sammy like Sammy? Oh, I think he meant
Sammy Zay. I was like, what was he in some
SKA bands music video?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Does same? We even like music?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Sammy's ay and is just a year twenty twenty five
and he's on stage with like real big fish and
everybody's in their fifties. They're like, can you do the
majority of the skanking? I will dislocate my niece if
I if I try to do that. No, who was
who was the one that people were putting up there?
Somebody else was in it? Book Rollins Booker, Oh yeah,

(16:58):
Booker was with Bad Bond, But that was years ago.
Now that was I think, yeah two thousand, early twenty twenties,
maybe twenty twenty one, twenty two. By the way, I
still think, like you see how fucking yoked Booker is,
And yeah, that was a few years ago. But they
really should have him do something with Trick williams Man
before Treck goes to the main roster. That would be

(17:19):
fucking good his.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Booker, Like, I mean, I know he's pretty much retired
at this point, but can he still go or did
he retire of his own volition or did he retire
just because every every day waking up is just hell.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well, I think the age just finally caught up with him.
I mean still he still physically looks right.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Which means you have to put in the work. That
can't be an easy thing to look that good. But
I mean, if you're at that point where you can
look above and beyond a man at his age, clearly
way above and beyond a man at his age, Like,
don't you don't you want to step into the ring
like I'm sure he does with his students a little
bit obviously. Yeah, but you know, I.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Think he's still doing some ship down in the the
indie that he's running.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah that reality prob.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think he's still doing that. But that's
where I was thinking. I'm like, just put him, let
him have something with tricks, like I think that would
be a cool, cool thing to see. But no, yeah,
like right now, there's some random Yeah, I kind of
nailed at seth Rollins in that fucking Day to Remember
music video, which is that band sucks.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
He sucks, It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, fucking Cuckadoo and uh Swerve, which, by the way,
have both you and I not talk and we haven't
talked about swerves transformation.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Have you seen him recently transition? No? No, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, he's going to be Swerve. Uh no, dude, he's
a perfect name.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's what Nyla Rose should have been called, Swerves.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Swerve. Maybe you can also take tricks named trap, which
was trick.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
We got trick and Swerve and Nyla Rose. You do
the rest, folks, You do the rest.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
What could go wrong? The internet will love it? Uh yeah, no, dude, swerve. Man,
he's been eating that fucking horse meat.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
He is always getting big. Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh he's gassed. He is ghassed, which, by the way,
tell me anybody that would be like no ah, so
fucking shut up.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
He's looking to go to w WE. Come on, he's
not like it's not like Tony's like own guys, you're
looking a little small this week.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's a good point. Yeah, Tony Kain's never looking at
any of these guys being like whoa, we hit the
gym there. Yeah, that's never been a words that have
come out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Something that is that has always been prominent though with WWE,
I mean even now with Triple h. They're very focused
on making sure that a lot of their wrestlers look
larger than life like. There's never been seam Punk is
probably the only one I can think of that has
gotten grossly skinny at times, and it's just kind of like, dude,

(20:13):
eat a hamburg or something man like, holy shit. But
for the most part, everybody always appears to be at
their best or close to their best, right Aw, you're
trying aw not so much.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, that's not their thing. And also, by the way,
to anybody that would hear that and be like, no
way this were of strickling bad boy for life, There's
no way he's ever leaving a w Why would anybody
want to do that? All me and you have talked
about for the past three weeks when we talk about
these raw shows is that the main event scene is

(20:48):
fucking crap. It looks bad, and the wrestlers aren't ready,
and most of them are just kind of like mediocre
and teetering. So if you were a guy, and I'm
sure Swerve thinks that he is at that point a guy, Yeah,
I'm sure he believes that if he walked into WWE

(21:09):
big as shit and with as much you know, tenure
as he has had in the business, that he could
really do something quickly. Then yeah, I think you're right.
I'm pretty sure that's not for Tony Khan. You know
what do you think that's for? What do you think
that's for his lady at home? Like he's like, honey,
and she's like, listen, I can't you gotta look like

(21:31):
a fuck you know, look like Batista. Yes, that's what
I need you to be as a forty year old man,
a man around at forty, I need you to decide
to go from being one hundred and ninety pound in
shape guy to looking like Batista in your late thirties.
That's what I want you to do. It's like, yeah, no,
I'm pretty sure that this guy's got got something thinking.

(21:52):
I'm sure he's kicking around some ideas in his head.
The writing's got to be on the wall, whether you're
watching this company or you're even and working for that company,
and you see them continue to push Hangman page over you,
and you're like this fucking goofball again, this fucking turd,

(22:12):
Like all right, I gotta dude, I gotta get on
cycle and get the fuck out of here. You know, Yeah,
that's what I would be And if MJF was capable
of doing it, he's probably thinking the same thing, but
he would never do steroids. Of course.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
It was kind of funny too, throwing it back to
WWE as far as raw goes, and I know we
kind of covered it, but we really didn't talk about
the after effects. There was a couple of things I
didn't see. I didn't see that Netflix and WWE fucked
up the segment I believe when La and Night was
out there, and I guess it went to Gray for
a majority of the segment because they edited it out

(22:46):
later on, so you didn't actually see it, but I
guess live viewers, so nothing but Gray for a few minutes.
It's like, oh, that's.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Uh, well, that is kind of their opinion of La Night, So.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, that makes sense. He's supposedly going to be with
the company for or at least he thinks he's going
to be with the company for a few years, so
he's not going anywhere, and it's just weird that he's
being positioned in this light to just look like this loser,
and it's like, this is the closest thing you have
to another guy on the roster that has crowd interaction

(23:20):
and yeah, you're just throwing him by the wayside.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah that doesn't, Like I said, though, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah,
really it doesn't at this point. But still, I mean,
maybe that's what happened with the screen where they were like, yeah,
we're trying to transition between six different types of ads
that we want to play, and then they've just got
their wires crossed. So that's possible, right.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Everybody's been coming down on Netflix lately too. People are
either pissed off about the potential acquisition of Warner or
they're just pissed off with the way that WWE has
been lately. And I don't know how much Netflix has
as far as to say so with TKO, but it's
almost as if people are blaming the entire deal with

(24:03):
Netflix on Netflix. So, for example, the reason that TKO
is making WWE so shitty is because they're adhering to
their masters, which is the mighty Netflix. And it's like,
I I mean, to a point, yeah, I can see
some validity there. Obviously you pay attention to the bottom dollar,

(24:24):
but they didn't make WWE, right, No, why do you
want them? And if this is the case, right, you
wouldn't expect them to know how to run the shows,
so why the fuck would you listen to them. Ultimately,
you paid WWE to be WWE, not to be Netflix
presents WWE.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You're blaming the supermarket because you went to the store
and bought shitty ingredients. That's basically what it is, right,
I wanted to make this amazing dish, but I bought
the most bottom of the barrel chuck, garbage meat and
half rotten fucking vegetables. And they're like, why isn't this good?
It must be the fault of a stopping shop. It's like, no,

(25:05):
it's your fault. It's it's your fucking fault. But yeah, man, Like,
for at this point, if if there the scape go
for WWE not being where they should be, that's some
real you're really displacing a lot of guilt at that point.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, fingers, But nobody knows who at.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, so it just ends up being at everybody right somebody. Yeah,
that's what ends up being. It's but that's but miss,
that's also the game of you know, when you get
so many corporate entities and shit involved, you know, like
that's why if you put fifty people in a boardroom,
they can do horrible shit. Because when you know, push

(25:46):
comes to shove, it's like, well, who wanted to do
this horrible shit? Not me? I didn't want to do
horrible shit? Did you want to do horrible shit?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I didn't want to do horrible shit. It's not one guy.
Which that was, like, you know, as much of a
fuck up as Vince was when things were fucked up,
all the fingers pointed at Vince, right.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, because it's also it's also a thing too when
you bring up Vince like that. Nobody believes that Netflix
would have pushed Vince around, Nobody believes that t KL
would have pushed Vince around. Triple H. Yeah right, I
think I think most people believe that Triple H can

(26:24):
easily be influenced, or even Nick kN can be easily
influenced by outside sources. But Vince was such a megalomaniac
at times that it was impossible from all personal accounts
of people around him, it would have been impossible to
change his mind unless you had a real good argument,

(26:44):
real strong fucking argument.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah you can't. It's like the what's it the crocodiles
or the logic of crocodiles or you know, if you
got a pin full of sharks, like you can't play
nicey nice, Like you need somebody to go in there.
You need a monster to beat the monsters. Right, you
get you get to you put the giant, the biggest
guy you can to bounce at the door, because even

(27:10):
if the guy can't fight, you still need to have
the image of like, yeah, this is not a place
to fuck around in, you know, like you have to
put that into the eater. And you're right, triple ah,
I'm sure isn't that guy? He's not putting him the friends.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
That's why you take pictures. That's why he takes all
these pictures of him hugging people like he's he's kind
of leaning towards the Tony Kahan way of of doing
business in the back and it's like, oh, and I
wonder and maybe you can fill me in on this,
but is that the byproduct of so many years of
dealing with things under Vince that now he wants to

(27:48):
be the guy that loves and hugs and he's the
therapist for everybody because Vince was clearly the exact opposite.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He's tired man, that's probably a bit obviously other than
the health issues, but it's like it takes a fucking
certain type of psycho that wants to fight their entire life.
You know, Okay, they're fine iris, yes too. I mean

(28:22):
well in that case, no, But like you, it takes
a certain type of person to have that in them.
And like I said, there's a lot of people where
it's like they're fifty years old and it's like, man,
do you want to go in there? You want to
throw hands every day? No, I'm fucking I'm old. I
don't want to do this shit. Like I think that's

(28:44):
also partially why, Like when you have joked about where
they're like, yeah, what if people work till they're you know,
seventy or whatever, they want to like raise the retirement age.
I'm like, you're not doing what you think you're doing
in that case because you're gonna get work. That sucks
because those people are exhausted and can't give you that
much anymore anyways, do you know what I mean? Like

(29:07):
I said, yeah, well you've got to stick in the fight,
and it's like they're tired.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I don't know, man, Because I saw some gen Z
kid flipping out and trashing a dollar store because she
got fired from there. And I'm like, if you can't
handle working at a dollar store.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't know, Well, God's speed in that situation. That's
that's also like somebody who's not mentally right.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
No, no, I get it. I mean when you're when
you're comparing the two, there are going to be great
examples on both sides. That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, I mean, the old, the sixty five year old
guys probably not going to pick them monitor up and
throw it through a window or nothing. But that guy's
probably gonna come in and sit in his desk and
they're gonna be like, yeah, we need this and a
PDF and we need this format change and all that.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
You're just gonna be like, oh you say that? What
you say that? But I guess Jesse Ventura is coming
back for Saturday Night's main event.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Isn't that good though? Where it's like, yeah, here's Jesse
Ventura and he's coming in and he's like, he's got
a talk for upwards of twelve minutes.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's difficult, man, it's difficult that then I know, talk
for twelve minutes straight. It's great.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Great, Well, that's it dude, it's like to some extent,
it's like, yeah, there obviously are jobs that for people
as they age and they get older. Well, yeah, the
management that tells the younger managers to go actually do
the work, that's what That's what it usually is, as
opposed to you know, once again, a fucking psycho Vince

(30:42):
jumping off of a fucking ledge to show Rob Gronkowski
what the fuck's up, you know, right, like him being
like pussy three times super Bowl champion, watch me do
a Swanson off this thing at seventy five. You're not
going to get many of those people, you know, there's
not Here's the thing. We don't have a combination of

(31:05):
broken enough to be that crazy, but also on message
enough to keep things in line. You know, Like maybe
that person that trashes the dollar tree is crazy enough.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well you're saying it is tired, different crazy. Honestly, I
don't even look at it like that. I mean, sure,
maybe in a physical job atmosphere, you are absolutely hitting
the nail on the head. The Vince wasn't in a
physical atmosphere. He didn't have to step into the ring.
He wanted to, well that was his choice, right, he
wanted to. I think. I think the real problem is

(31:38):
an age, it's ambition. I think if you're at seventy five,
chances are the ambition is all gone. You've either done
everything that you needed to do or you com to
terms with what you couldn't. So for somebody like Vince,
I mean, what was the last big rumor we heard

(32:00):
was even after Vince got kicked out of his own
company twice, right, twice, he got kicked out of his
own fucking company because of his own faults in many ways.
Of course, he went on to supposedly start a new
production company that people thought he was going to bring
back another wrestling promotion.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
At eighty Yeah, they're like, yeah, that seems about right.
But no, like I said, like, it takes a fucking
certain type of person that's crazy. And it's like, well,
what's your what is your targeted crazy? And yeah, most
people they just you know, they go to work, they
do their jobs, they want to go home, they want

(32:40):
to have just a chill life with their significant others, friends, children, whoever. Right,
And that's where you get to people that are like, well,
you're you're not cut for this CEO fucking cuckoo crazy
cloth and it's like, that's probably what Triple H is,
even though people like, well he was a wrestler. It's like,
but now he's fifty and a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I mean, it's like, you know, considering though, when you
when you're thinking of it, like that, Vince opening up
an entertainment company and kind of his history. Maybe he
should call it CEO dot com. But there's three h's
after the Oh it's a little more adult content.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, at this point that's going to be one of
the few industries we have left, so it might not
be a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Actually, it's just US Russia. That's all we got.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
We got only fans and gambling.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh, not even gambling. I was what it some sports betting,
some kid in Wisconsin or whatever. No, he was a
Chicago kid, I think. But yeah, he got eight hundred
and eighty thousand from Caesars by doing like anonymous betting.
And yeah, they didn't pay him. They told him go
fuck himself.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's honest to god. I've seen those stories before too,
where they've been like the slot machine fucking mouth functions
and they're like, you won eight hundred thousand dollars and
they're like, nah, here's a steak dinner and three hundred
bucks go home. And I'm like, that can't beat dog.
You can't fucking that's not an option.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Here's the thing is, apparently he circumvented it by making money.
He made like twenty thousand dollars of anonymous bettings, right, oh,
And so they're like, well, yeah, that's anonymous. You're circumventing
our rules. Blah blah blah. You don't get shit. And
they went to like all these panelists and stuff, and
by the time they got to the last panelists, who's
probably the most sane one of mal, he's like, well,

(34:34):
did Caesar's Palace take the money? Yeah? Oh okay, So
then they owe him the money.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And it's like if if he lost, they wouldn't have
been like, oh well this is ridiculous, right, Like, no,
you would. You would have taken the guy's fucking mind.
And that's where there's this once again problem with making
everything into gambling, which you know, when this started to
become a conversation with people with the sports, it's betting
apps and shit, I was like, you know what, you should,

(35:03):
as an adult be allowed to put ten dollars down
on the fucking Bears game, Like, you should be allowed
to do that, you're grown up. I don't see anything
wrong with that. But when we start getting to the
point where it's like that was it Klarna or something?
What's that fucking sight? Kalashi sounds like a fucking type
of Middle Eastern bread where it's like you can bet

(35:25):
on random shit, where it's a what who's gonna fucking uh?
Is so and so? On the TV show Gonna Die?
Is this gonna happen? Is this person in the next
six months? Gonna you know? Is Joe Biden gonna fucking
revealed that he has a different type of cancer in

(35:48):
the next three months? It's like, okay, what are we doing?
You know? Is Trump gonna wear a sweater? Does Christmas season?
It's like, okay, this is pathetic.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Honestly, almost have more respect for that because it's probably
harder to fix. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I like the idea that like we we have to
come to grips with the idea where like, listen, people
are desperate and they want to gamble on things and
hope and the vague hopes that their life will improve.
But if it's less fixed, like I said, there was like,
will Trump wear a sweater next week to do something

(36:30):
up for Christmas? I guess that's better than rigging basketball, right,
I guess I.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Because at least you're going in with an open mindset
and you know no one is trying to fix the
the sport of Trump wearing a sweater.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Right Yeah? Or are they? Somebody knocks in the door
and they're like, Sarah, you have to wear a sweater.
So we just put pped out of the country on
you're wearing a sweater. I don't know if I want
to wear sweater. It's not as just sweater. They're a

(37:09):
little itchy. I don't like the texture of it. I'm
not crazy about it. I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well, we got to Saturday night's main events coming around
the corner. Obviously this Saturday we it'll be important, so
I hear because it's the end of an era. It's
it's going to be John Cena's retirement match, the end
of John Cena. He'll still work with the company, he'll
still be on TV every once in a while, but

(37:37):
no more in the ring for good old John Cena,
who has his lord against against gun there as.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It should be. I mean really as it should be.
And like I said, there were a lot of people
that were going, well why guns why him instead of
this one or that under the statue?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I like it, But you know what I really like though,
have you ever seen the Capitol Arena or whatever?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's the one in DC. So it's in DC. Right
If you look at it, it looks like a converted bank.
I like the idea of John Cena's last match happening
at some converted bank.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's awesome, ain't it perfect? Doesn't it really fit into
the into the motif? Well? No, I don't know. Man,
like just Sena should in this situation. He should be
against somebody like Gunter. It's gonna be safe for him,
it's gonna be fresh. Compared to what dude, if seth

(38:41):
Rawlins was not injured, could you imagine if they'd have
been like it's Sena and seth Rowns, it had have
been like fucking throw me at not even like hating
on set. It's like, but we've seen this, We've seen
this a hundred times, so what else were they gonna do? Really,
when you think about it, when people go maybe they
should had him wrestle, like even like Obafemi. It's like, no,

(39:04):
wrestle Obafemi in his last match. Obafemi is he's debuting
Saturday main events, which is fucking cool enough, but it's like, no,
he's not going to wrestle Johnsen at his last match
and nobody's seen him before. That's not a thing that
we should do. But he would be the right choice.
I mean at this point as far as like an

(39:24):
in ring performer who's believable that you really know, in
your heart of hearts could get a good match out
of just about anybody. Is there anyone that's been new
in the past half a decade missed that you would
give this spot over at Gunther? I mean really, it just.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Been only the only other person honestly, that I was
toying with which they've completely put the kebash on since
was Russev.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, but we've I know.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
But that's why it would have been a closing too, right,
Like Russev debuted against Gunther or I'm sorry, Russeve debuted
against Sena and then Russev retires Sena. But Gunther makes
sense because I can see the legend killer thing coming.
Obviously there's going to be an orton Gunther thing down
in the future. They're even talking about feeding aj to

(40:18):
the monster that is gun there, and so there's a
lot that they can do with Gunther by sacrificing John
Cena's career to him. And I think you're right in
a lot of ways. But the only other person that
I actually held like, oh that could be John Cena's
last match was Russev. But Rusev isn't Russev anymore. He's
not the same guy. They're not putting him in that

(40:42):
same light. Don't get me wrong. He still has the
same fire. He's great in the ring. I still love
his promos. It's just he feels back seat right now
when he should be a lot more front and center.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
But I think he's doing good work. It's just not
the work of somebody that should retire. Are the most
famous wrestler of the past quarter century.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Anna says, Jacob Fatsu Jacob Fots, who is a jay
Ussa waiting to happen.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh that's crush.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
He's look, he's fun to watch in the ring, and
he's a bigger guy and that's great, and he's got
a fucking catch phrases and shit. But that's that's just
waiting to just empty out, That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So wait, let me ask you this though. Then in
that situation, you gotta you know, we're betting on things here, right,
We've got our whatever kalalashi fucking app Who do you
think could be a bigger star, not including push but
just in general audience, like all things equal, Let's say
Jacob or Joe Jay there I mean yeah, I mean

(41:49):
take Jacob man.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Jacob has a while to go. Jay's been on our
TV for over a decade actually almost what fifteen years,
seventeen years or something like that, Like the USO have
been around for a long time. People saying, oh, that
will never happen to Jacob, Yeah, come back to me
in another seventeen years, tell me where we're well that.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Too, Yeah, that's also yeah, right, that's well we have
to remember that too. It's like even when people go, oh,
people are fickle or they're sick of this one, It's like,
is it really fickle to not want to see somebody
on television that you've seen for fifteen years?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's a long time, dude, Like I've gone like I've
had full fucking friendships with people in fifteen years, we've
gone on vacations and gone to each other's weddings and
hung out. It's like, that's fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
That's a long time I've met people and they've passed
away in this time, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Like it's dark, but it's yeah, you're right, like and
you had a full relationship in friendship and time with kids.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Smart, you're fucking grown out of the house and just
got married.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Life right, right, and you take into account yeah, fifteen
years ago they were what in elementary school, middle school,
they're like nine, yeah, right, and that's a long time.
So yes, you know what, Like when people go, oh
the audience and blah blah blah, I'm like, well, you
know what if you're a ten year old and you

(43:23):
started washing WWE three years ago and you love John
Seene or well John sena sure, but also jay Uso right,
and you're like yay jay u. So it's like, well,
you also have to take into account that there's a
huge portion of the audience who's seen him five times
as long as them. So that's also where like when
I get into the conversations where I've had with you

(43:44):
a million times about bringing people up too quickly and
having them on well we're you know, well, they're trying
to find their grooves, they're trying to find their place.
It's like, well, no, we're still looking at them, we're
still watching them, they're still on TV. We can tuck
her out of them and get tired of them, because
now we've been watching them for like I said, ten,

(44:06):
fifteen fucking twenty, we watched Baron Corbin speaking of people
retiring people that shouldn't have. We watched Baron Corbin for
what twelve years?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Twelve years.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
It only did one memorable thing in that entire twelve
years that I even care.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
About, right, and then this guy had the audacity to
fucking go when I didn't fucking get anything. Bitch, what
twelve years? You were on television for a fucking dozen years? Okay?
How long was Mick Foley on WWE television four without

(44:44):
counting breaks and leaving it coming? How long was Mankind's run? What?
Four years? Five years? So you had Mankind plus one
times two And you're like, fuck, dude, if only I
had a change, right, go the fuck away. Some of
these people need to go the fuck away. And you're right,

(45:07):
you know what in a dozen years might be saying,
Jacob thought to again, I just.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I just don't see it. I don't see any real growth.
And hopefully that's something that storylines and creative booking can
fix down the road, because look, WWE likes they're big men,
they really do, and they and they do right by
them for the most part, but they also kind of
teeter them off. And I don't know, he just he

(45:33):
feels like the new three minute warning.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
You know, I agree that to help Fimish, they got
to get rid of the half dozen dead dogs and owens.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a lot of people on the roster. We haven't
done that in a long time. Is go down the
WWE roster and just start making fucking hatchets. But it
needs to be done. There's a lot, there's a lot
on both sides of the the gendered coin need to
leave this fucking company and go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
They gotta go. Well, that's it is. It's just it's
just the amount of time that they've been on television
and people seeing them for that long and without any
big improvement or change. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
What is wrong with miss today? I don't know what's wrong?
Is it is it as it really offensive that I
said that. I just don't think Jacob Fatu is the
future of wrestling. Dude. I literally got what I get
shipped over today. What was the thing?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
The Rock, the Rock stuff? Oh I can't Oh, oh shit,
missus l was it?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
People get really upset when we talk about The Rock
not being the biggest fucking star ever in twenty twenty five.
They do not like that.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, because we still take from mish. The Rock only
helped elevate the Bloodline storyline with the Final Boss character
Diddy when yeah, the Rock, you know, the bloodline completely
sucked until The Rock showed up.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Dude, he helped elevate it over the Shark. That's what
he did. Like he he like, these.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Are the people that are fucking coming at me about
this shit. It's like, oh what what crazy opinions you have?
I guess I'm sorry The Rock if anything, started to
sync the entire bloodline with the Final Boss bullshit? Or
were people happy to see the rolling, rolling, rolling coming
out of WrestleMania for no reason?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well, there was also something funny to the effect of
like the Rock showing up, like you said, when it
was at like its peak what it was like at
its apex. It's the same exact thing as like in music,
when there's a band or a rapper whoever, and it's
just like, oh, now now that you're famous, this person
wants to be on your track. They want to do

(47:58):
a feature with you. Now you're famous. It's like, oh, well,
well that seems like you know, two years ago, when
I was struggling to get on none of you people
wanted to fuck with me, and now all of a sudden,
here you are, and it's like, okay, once the bloodline
thing explodes, and they were like, oh me too, me,

(48:18):
I'm gonna come in and help. I'm here to help.
Yeah yeah, like like shadow fuck yeah help himself right
like Shadowfire said that. Yeah, like Drake like that was
the thing he was accused of. It's like, oh, you're
popular now, haha, guess is do it a feature? I'm here,
I'm here, yeah, yeah, I'm ready to dance some day.

(48:40):
You know, I'm diddy in the background doing fucking spins
and cartwheels.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
To answer your question, I mean, besides my love for Russev,
I don't know, there's not so many other people I
can see genuinely retiring John Cena. Yeah, I mean, you
could have, you've could have you could have done the
easy one, right like russe makes sense to me. It's
a nice story to tell from beginning to end. But

(49:05):
I don't know how many people even remember the beginning
of Russev's career at this point. Another one, another name
that could have been out there. But it's not a
great retirement because he's ready to go too. Is Randy Orton?
Oh yeah, but Randy Orton's ready to fucking leave too.
So other than maybe the big payday for the night,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I still think that they could have gotten some juice
out of Seena tag matches. There should have been seen
a tag matches. He should have tagged with Brock, he
should have tagged with Randy Orton, and we could have
gotten a little more juice out of this without having
to either expose him or put him in a position
where he's getting his ass kicked all the time.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I agree with Dan Daniell says that if we're going
to do an older guy, punk would be the way. Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely,
yeah no, there's a lot of the old guys that
would make sense. Punk punk make sense.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah yeah, And it would have been okay. But also
Punks is just about done too, But.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
It would have made more sense if Sina still had
the title that he relinquished to Dom and Punk won
the icy that way like that.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I don't know, man, Well this
is it. I expect this to be a good match.
That's what it comes down to. I expect Sena's last
match to be a good match with heat that is believable,
and it's gonna have the right result, which is that
Sina will lose, Gunter will go over. There'll be some

(50:35):
sort of segment that ties it all together, whatever it
might be. Gunter says, I'm going to shake your hand,
or whatever it will be. Maybe Gunther will raise John
Cena's hand even so the crowd will cheer, and then
Gunter can come out on Monday and say, you know,
I raised his hand in the heat of battle, but

(50:55):
I also took his soul. I took whatever. You know.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I'm like, well, now you set it up real simple,
and now I have my sights on raand Jordan. Now
I have my sights on aj Styles. Now I have
my sights on Seamus, like Ray my stereo like.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Do not mistake my kindness for weakness. Now I will
move on to you know, removing other people from that
blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And it's fine and yeah, and Gunther will carry John
Cena to a great match. There's no doubt about that shadow,
not at all. I think it's going to be a
fine match. It's going to be a great goodbye. Do
you think do you think they rushed John Cena's goodbye speech?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Oh? That would Could you imagine if they fucking cut
him off on the television thing? The watch how fucking
watch Goldberg's not shrivel up into his body? If that happens,
can you believe they did to me? And did they
do the same thing to Sina?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
No, Dan's right. What if they they're like, listen, Saturday
Saturday Night Live. Tell them to wait, Yeah, tell him
to wait, which, by the way, in this one moment,
they should, you know, like I get it, like people like, well,
Saturday Main Event or you know, Saturday Live might do
higher ratings than Saturday Made Event, which they might not.

(52:19):
I don't even know anymore. But at this point, it's like,
give Scena that half an hour of television, even if
he wants to to talk because it will do better ratings.
That's it can almost guarantee. But like, so that's the
one match, honestly, one of.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
The Yeah, there's four matches, right, I just think.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Part for the course now for w W shows is
four matches.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah. I don't think they should have four matches. I
think this literally should have been two matches. That's it. Yeah,
and then yeah, no, no, and then you give John
Cena some proper time. I realize what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
If you started it at seven, had two dark matches
for the live audience, oh yeah, and then yeah, that
would have been the way to go. So people aren't
spending seven hundred dollars for two wrestling matches. That would
have been fine. But no, like, yeah, there's so there's
so there's three other matches aside from this, right.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Right, we got a j salasd Dragon Lee versus Javon
Evans and Leon Slater tag team match.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That's an interesting that's an interesting choice.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
First, it's all NXT stuff from here on out. Yeah,
Bailey versus Soul Ruka singles match and Cody versus Obafemi
Champion versus Champion.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Now, this is where I gotta say when people were,
you know, getting poopies into pants about Sina and Gunter,
and and this is where you probably won't hear people
who criticize the choice to pick Gunter. They won't bow
on this at all. But every other match that you
just mentioned is going to take these new young up

(53:57):
and comers and expose them to eight fucking way bigger
audience on a very important card, right, probably one of
the most this year. I'd say that this is comparable
to WrestleMania even because there's gonna be a lot of
eyes on this sh Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
There's gonna be a lot of people watching this shit
that haven't watched wrestling since WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yeah, and you're saying to them, what, look at this
oba Femi guy, You need to have eyes on him.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
That's smart though nothing. Yeah, Obafemi is a larger than
life persona just waiting in the wings to become the
big guy, right.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Right, Look at sol Ruka. Just look at this woman,
She's gonna be something like That's the honest to god,
I knew that this wasn't really registering me with I
saw this on Raw the other night where they kind
of announced these matches, but the fact that, yeah, they're
going to take people that are NXT talent, that they're saying, listen,

(54:54):
this is legitimately somebody that you need to pay attention
to and putting them on this card with Sina. I
don't see the upside of that. I don't know what
the fuck to tell you.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I was gonna say it. It's really a smart move,
and maybe it is wwe paying attention that, Hey, we
need to start making some new talent because we have
at least four retirements next.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Year, right because because we're gonna have to buy a
lot of watches soon, right someone someone speaking of things
to bed on, we need to get some stock in
sheet cake, right because we're gonna need a lot of.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Sheetcamo can't afford Mavado, so timex it is.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I like you. I like the idea of, Oh my god,
how fucking not surprising but also funny that would be
where it'd be like, all right, guys, uh, next week
Seamus is retiring and people are like, well, I guess
I'll bring cupcakes since tk Albus Jesus Barey comes in

(55:58):
with those pankets a little mini cup cakes. Oh fucking
the grocery from the coal foods. Like, it's like, hey,
h so, TKO, are you guys gonna get him a cake,
you know, thank you for anything. They're like, we don't
got that into budget.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm gonna look right now, and I didn't want to
do this, but these are all the guys and ladies
that are that are closer to the end of their
career than not. Yes, aj Lee obviously, aj Styles. Yeah,
aj Lee. I know she just came back, but I
mean reality, we don't know how she feels when she

(56:33):
gets up every morning she says everything is great.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I don't expect her to wrestle two hundred more. Man,
I'm sorry, I just that being the thing.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, if you're invested in thinking that aj Lee is
going to be here for another fifteen years, yeah, I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, she goes when punkos that's that's.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Rocking likely aj Styles, that's the safe bet that he's
gonna hire soon Oscar.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oscar's got probably another year or two.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, she's got some time left, right, but Bailey will
be here for a minute. Bailey still got some time Becky. Becky,
on the other hand, starting to age up a little bit,
and the kiddos and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if
she's closer to the door than not.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Three years, two to three years.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, who else? We got Brock? Obviously Rock, somebody's gonna
retire Brock, right, could.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
You could you imagine if they were like, we're gonna
retire Brock, and it's like Javon Evans.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
No, they're not gonna give him like breaker dude.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Oh no, of course they're gonna give him Seth Seth
Seth and state cop versus Brock Lessner and a fucking
who's gonna get hurt first match? Yeah, no, that's now
he'll be gone. Charlotte's barely to begin with.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
You know, Charlotte's getting up there too. She's gotta be
a little tired. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Three, she got three to five.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I give Charlotte, okay, all right, so she got more time.
Punk obviously he's got to be.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Wonder three one to three, I'd say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Drew, Drew will be around here for a while.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
He's just three to five.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Yeah, he's got some time left. It's still funny that
Funaki's still under roster. Jesus Christ awesome. Who else?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, Drew, we already mentioned Drew, right, Yeah, Drew's Yeah.
Three to five for Drew, I'd say for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
John Cena obviously he's retired. Roman.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
What do you think is Roman a one to three
or a three to five.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
It really depends, like he's got a health concern. I
don't know, right, Like I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Getting I'm picking him a dead right in the middle.
Three years. We got three more years of this Roman shit.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
But maybe he's done. Yeah, maybe, I even say maybe.
I don't even know, Like the guy looks good on
the outside, but inside he's just worms, like it just
worms for blood.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I am worms, right.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Kevin Owens another guy, He's got the big injured reserve
sticker on him. It's like, you know, if Kevin Owens
was still healthy, I'd be like, Oh, he's out there,
he's doing the work. But now, fuck, we don't even
know if he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, he's he might not even be one.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
What about Kofe another guy, Like I think Xavier will
be around for a while, but the Kofe.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Wow, three to five for cod I honestly, I don't
even know if Xavier will make it in the company
another three years. I think they might let him go, wow,
look at what he's doing. Miss. They probably should. I mean,
this is what he's got. This is what you got
for us three years.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
If that guy who should be running the shows right
now but is kind of in the background, the Miss, yeh.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Miss, Miss one to three, the Miss could be a
guy that they move into some sort of not managing
but uh you know what I mean, backstage kind of something.
He'd be fine with that.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Naddy. We don't even know if she's going to be
in the ring. Ah, let's see who else, Nikki Bella,
Uh yeah, whenever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Sammy Wonder. Yeah, Sammy's a one to three. I'd say
Sammy could go another two or three years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Another name too that people aren't talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Pana Penta just got it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I know he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
He's not young, right, Lucha with the Lucha door mindset
five to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Keep going, dude, He'll just he'll be doing the fucking
side rolls. You'll be like, I can still do it,
and you'll be like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
He's crying under the mask but nobody sees it. Yeah, no,
I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Your black pig face paints running with deers proof.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
He's the truth has got to be closer out than in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
One to three or one to two. Maybe Orton, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Obviously one to three, Mysterio one to three, The Rock,
Uh yeah, no thanks, Sam, Sammy's am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I think he's got some time a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Three years, he's got three years. He'll he'll want to
be done.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Seamus Uh one to three, shins K one to three.
Shinsk Is doing voiceovers for animes in Japan. He's he's
doing all right for himself. He's fine. Oh that's a
perfect rim right. They sell Tomino on there. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I like Naya Jack's It's like, could she just go
home now? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah? I don't know. Try to see who else I
got on here. Champa Chomp is one to three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I can't believe Chomp is still fucking wrestling. Honest to god,
that dude was injured as ship ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Was. That's really the only ones that I see that
are closer to the ends than.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
You notice a lot of the people that I was
saying one to three for or all people that it's
like they're.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Almost done, right, Oh yeah, they're not. Only are they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Almost done, I should say, they're people that actually kind
of matter. They're they're they're more upper or upper to
mid card people for the most part, as opposed to
the people that were more in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
We're going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Unproven or not quite necessarily gonna be main event town.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Well what about okay? Yeah, people are like, what about
the war Raiders? What about the MotorCity machine Guns? Chris
Saban and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I'd fucking fire them all right now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Whether why why wait to retire them? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I know, it's like, what are we gonna do? Give
these guys to leave the Memories alone video. It's like,
how about leave us alone? You've had enough? Go away
the MotorCity machine guns? Forty year old men with twelve
year old fucking K pop artists haircuts. It's done enough.
Were already we already talked about the war Raiders and

(01:02:55):
whatever the fuck they had going on, and who gives
a ship? Who gives us shit?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So who wins in the other matches that we have?
So we got to Styles and Lee versus Javon Evans
and Slater tag team match? What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You have Styles and Lee? I feel like when that that,
they're going to move that on to the USSOS and
New Day and they'll do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
A championship match. It's just oh yeah, just an exhibition.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Oh well, it's just an exhibition. Then maybe the New
Day will fuck them over, and then they'll have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
The New Day absorbs Evans and Slater. Maybe maybe that's
the kid make a new stable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Say fucking fuck these crack ass crackers, fucking fuck aj Styles,
lokey bokey honky ass bitch, and then whatever the hell Dragon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
He's just waiting to quit so he can shave his head.
I'm like, I hope, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Man, I'm telling you you gotta do a hair ver
his hair match with him before he goes it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
He wants to lose the mom haircut.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, turn turn them heel, give him one good run
doing whatever, and then shave his fucking head. I'm good
with that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Bailey and soul Ruca.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
You know Bailey's gonna eat that pin. It's Bailey. Yeah,
he's too good of a she's too good of an
egg for her own fucking good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I really do. Daisy Hayes two point zero was okay
with me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I know, Daisy Hayes eating protein protein Daisy Hayes a little.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Bit, yeah, I mean, or just food in general works, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Fo hay she's you know, sol Rucas, she's fucking gorgeous,
dude looking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
My god, she's the kind of girl that goes to
that electric that what is it called the electric forest
in Michigan. It's like the new Burning the new New
Burning Man. It's Electric Forest happening in June and Michigan
and some random in Michigan where they put LED's up everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Who by the way, Rams is asking in the chat room.
He's like, it's so Ruka black and I'm like, she's
mixed race. I believe I think she's she's black and
white and whatever. Fucking hot massh that is?

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Yeah, so many jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Well mish by the way, And I mean you can
would she like to be You can float your own
boat on this one. Whatever. People like dirt to dirt,
dirt mix and raises people. I'm like, yeah, oh, that'd
be a shame. If we made too many good looking people,
that'd be What a horrible thing that would be. If

(01:05:37):
we made too many really good looking women, What a nightmare.
What would we do with all these good looking women?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Ostracize them?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah quick, make fun of them for no reason. Yeah, no,
I think Soul's gonna Yeah, so Bailey will do the
do the crasis for her. I feel like and Cody
and Oba don't be surprised. Don't be surprised. If Cody
puts ob.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Over I would be. I absolutely would be. I think
they really need to start focusing on Cody Rhodes. And
I do know it's a weird thing to say, but
Sina is out of here. Who is number two? I
don't think it's Roman. It's got to be Cody. Cody
has got to be the one. He has to pull

(01:06:26):
the sword out of the stone. And I'm not saying
squashing baby talents is the best way to do that,
but they really need to establish him as the bar
because the bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower.
And it's not because Cody isn't capable of having great matches,
because we've seen it. We've seen the amount of creativity

(01:06:49):
that goes into his matches, sometimes his promos when he
feels it the guy is the everyman. But it's almost like,
you're too fucking nice, dude, Stop that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Okay? Do you know what I think in this situation
would probably be the best way to go about this.
Fuck what I said about the tag match with a
New Day because it gives a fuck. You just have
that clean as a sheet, aj Gover, Dragon Lee Pin
whatever you know, blah blah blah, and then you have
somebody cause a DQ in this match where you have

(01:07:23):
Obafemi and Cody go back to back and fight off
the heels, and then you have them have tag matches
together for a bit, because I'm telling you, if you
have Cody and Obafemi tagging together, just visually you look
at that and you go, Okay, well, we're setting this
guy up obviously to be a fucking star, right, and

(01:07:44):
you're sending this message of like, here's Cody proven Vet
should fucking win every match other Guy, New Guy, Powerhouse,
fucking big power slams, you know, gorilla press, fucking military press,
and over people's heads. Like that could be more interesting
than even just having Oba go over or watching the

(01:08:07):
internet have a collective diarrhea. Should fit if you put
Cody over him, because obviously, like you said, Cody's not
going to be Cody will be the number one guy
in the company, but still he should never beat anybody
from NXT. That's crazy. So the best thing I think
they could do in that situation is like I said,
Heels come out match gets thrown out baby Faces, back
to back tag match, made for whatever, next couple of raws,

(01:08:31):
next pay per view. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You know, let me, let me, let me bring this
back for a second. Do you think it's a wise
idea to have such a big angle during John Cena's retirement?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I get it was. It wouldn't be that big of
an angle. You really, no, no, but you have heels
run out and fuck up a match. It's not like,
you know, it's not the fucking Nexus, not sing. Nobody's
getting spray painted, and fucking no one's getting put in
a fucking casket and dragged out of the you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I agree, Like Drew's like, do you think Sina would care?
I don't even know if it would be about Sena
caring as much as the company would care, right, because
regardless of how selfless John Cena wants to be, the
company is still going to market the shit out of
this guy long after he's gone. So it's not even
just a oh, well, Sina doesn't mind. Sina wants to

(01:09:30):
put everybody over. Yeah that's nice, dude, We don't give
a shit WWE wants to maximize what this event could
entail for their future financial dollars. Look, I'm sure there's
going to be special retirement shirts at this event, oh,
special retirement action figures. There's going to be so much

(01:09:51):
merch that's being shipped out or is already shipped out
right the fuck now? For when this goes off the air, hey,
make sure you you go to WWE's shop zone dot
com and buy your brand news Johnsons the fuck out
of your shirt for seventy nine ninety four.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
He's they're going to be selling the pubic strands of
MAP Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Oh, get in time for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You know, come on, we cut the mat into fucking
tic tac size pieces of cloth, right, only twenty seven
thousand dollars for one What a steal? Yeah. No, they're
going to do everything they can for it. And and
by the way, yes I do agree if we you
get Cody and Oba and a tag match, another strong

(01:10:35):
African American tag team on the show. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Nick Hardy threw up something. Oh damn well, yeah you
know what case in point Nick did put up the
last Time is Now shirts and the final final final
match the main event shirts are already up at was
it thirty nine bucks? Thirty four ninety nine. Oh, it's

(01:10:58):
cheap right now, but afterwards, that's when the real savings
are passed on to WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
So I'm telling you they're going to have this ship
up and you're gonna be like, well, that's thirty seven bucks.
They're going to have so many extras of these that
the week before Christmas, WWB shops owned twenty five percent off.
You can get a fucking big picture of John Cena's
fucking feet or something. I don't know, Jude, they're selling

(01:11:24):
John Cena belts. Yeah, for nine hundred and thirty Are
they signed? They're signed? I hope no. Woh o Jesus Christ. Yeah,
they're gonna get every nickel at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Least get least John Cena follows Wrestling Soup on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Come on, guys, yeah, thanks for that. John hit us up.
I mean, I was a little offended when he was
in the city and went and got Chinese food and
didn't ask me to go. But that's okay, it's all right.
Me and him go there. I look at him and
by the way, I'm I'm sure his fucking low main
kit is probably terrible. What do you mean, like, you

(01:12:03):
don't think he's a peace Probably? Yeah, he's probably one
of those guys that you fucking he gets the bowl
and he instead of fucking, he pours it onto the plate,
so he makes a fucking mess.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
You're talking about a guy who spent like a year
learning Mandarin.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Oh so his low main etiquette will be better than mine?
Is that what he said?

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
And did me? Pretty much? Grief bang the Pacific.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I mean, I don't know sure he knows how to
hold a noodle or two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Do you like how I get to a point where
I'm like just because he speaks the language, and you're like,
he fucked all their women, I'm like, all right, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Can't impress those beautiful Asian women with poor low main technique.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Right, you you've banged fifty Greek chicks. You know how
to full a ittro, you know what I'm saying, and
you like fucking forearm hair right if you're not a
full day.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Battle full and that bitch real good. So that's Saturday nights.
We'll be here Saturday talking about it, having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
So we'll be back for that. It feels like it's
been a long time since we've had a pay per view.
But it's not even a pay per view. It's like
a fake perview, but it's a big one. It's just
about one and it didn't matter to anybody anyways. WWE
is on a real down trend right now. And it's
funny too because when you start thinking about all their
quarters and their annualies and stuff, right, I mean, we're

(01:13:36):
getting into the first quarter of twenty twenty six. Soon
we're getting into those Golden quarter results, and I think
financially there again, they're gonna do great. WWE is going
to continue to do great, But at what point are
we going to start seeing the worm turn? Is it
after WrestleMania? You think that will be fair? I think

(01:14:01):
we'll get through the big money season and then they're
gonna go, oh shit, we were already plumb out of ideas,
right so it's like we're already fucking lacking right now.
But they're gonna try to pull a rabbit out of
their hat. And you know, for the last time we
see WrestleMania in America for the next five years, that's

(01:14:21):
gonna probably be why that will be a thing I mean,
I'm just being real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
D No, that's a you know, and I was. I
don't know if I was talking with you about that,
but I really feel like the lack of house shows
is the focus of the international market. I think WWE,
in a lot of ways creatively feels like the American
audiences don't buy the bullshit as much anymore. I think

(01:14:49):
people are tired. Speaking of tired, people are just tired
of the same tropes, the same storylines, the myopic thinking
that WWE puts out week to week, and now focusing
on international audiences, they don't have to change. Isn't that
the most gross thing you've ever heard? Because WWE doesn't

(01:15:09):
have to grow up, they don't have to think harder,
they don't have to evolve. They can rely on everything
that they've been doing. Just do it for a new audience, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Well, well, you know what, It's like I said about
the jelly beans the other day that people enjoyed so much.
I don't got to make the jelly beans better. They
just got it just people didn't never had them before.
They go, fuck, these are good, and you're like, well,
those are the Harry Potter ones with the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Nasty flake the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, this one's like yeah, grass and frog vomit. And
they're like, whooh, this is pretty good, And you're like, what,
they haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Had one that's marked death. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, which, by the way, at this point, it's like
the one that's labeled death. I know some people don't
like to share that one was, you know, yeah, give
it to them, curse jelly beans, so.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Of might eat it willingly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, I know, I was gonna say at this point
people would be like, that's a cheap way out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I don't know, it's just it's not good and they
will continue to make money. But I think that there's
going to be a trend where the home audience, their
audience no longer watches WWE. I think, Look, it was
a smart move of WWE to go with Netflix because
they were thinking global. It was an arguable move of

(01:16:27):
them removing house shows and focusing internationally because they could
do the same shit that they did before and still
make the same amount of money. But this almost looks
like there's a shelf life on it. Never before have
I actually looked at WWE and doing the show and
even watching wrestling over all these years and thinking to myself.
All the end is around the corner, I think for

(01:16:49):
the first time, for the first time, I can see
where the end lies. And I don't know how long
it'll last internationally. They could do it for another one
hundred years for all I fucking know. But you can
see the end goals. You can see the end game.
When WWE finally plays itself out and becomes pass a
in every country they go to, then it's over. Then

(01:17:10):
it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Well, that's one of those good questions I guess you
could say, where you look at it and you go,
are we Oh boy, this is a rough way to
say it. Are we expanding or are we colonizing? Are
we going in and taking every fucking thing we can
and then piecing out like we already did colonizing?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Of course, dude, the whole reason they even did Saudi
Arabia was to be the WW or to be the
American ambassadors for the country between the two countries. Like, oh,
we know the Kachaki death and all this these bad,
you know, opinions and rumors about what happens in Saudi Arabia,
But hey, WW is willing to do business, so it

(01:17:50):
can't be all bad, right, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Right, You're like, well, we know that the wrestling industry
is known for its high moral fiber, so right, you
know that's what we got going on. But well, I
mean that's it. Like I said, I guess we have
the last match of John Cena to look forward to
and the last WrestleMania in America and for the next
half a decade, and you know, then we'll just have
to figure out what we do from there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Right, it'll be a very interesting two years. It will
be a very very interesting two years. There have been
lulls in WWE before. AW is a non factor at
this point. And it's not even because Netflix is buying
up seventy or eighty percent of the company that they
happen to be working around. It's just really like there's

(01:18:37):
people already phasing out. MJF didn't what his movie deal
got put on pause, on hiatus or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I know, I'm surprised. It's almost like that whole industry
is also collapsing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
What Hollywood will never die?

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Yeah, no way, I mean, AW is the fucking la
boo boo. Right, it's already done. We just gotta we
just got to weather We're weathering the storm with WWE
yet again, and we're just hoping when we come out
on the other end of it that our fucking trailer
hasn't been ripped in half and shot through a fucking building.
You know, Oh me, oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Well yet Rustley Soup. I'm Anthony Thomas, He's Joey Numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah, we'll see you guys tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
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