CLASH IN PARIS POST SHOW (Wrestling Soup 8.31.25) w/ @Lufisto

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wrestling suit. Hey everybody, and welcome to the Clash in
Paris post show. I am Joe Numbers, and honestly, it
wouldn't really make sense for us to not include something

(00:21):
important on tonight's show because it was in Saint Perry.
I am joined along with none other than oh.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh wella city.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I was gonna say, you're doing Roman ranges. You're doing
Roman ranges entrance, You're making us wait.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, I was waiting for the crowd, although I will
give them that tonight his entrance was not as long
as usual.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh yes, yeah, there.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Was a longer entrance. I mean longer. You won't get
to that eventually, but yeah, I mean Roman rings like
no tonight, like the crowd was so cool for Roman
Rings and which it's it's actually the first match. So
I don't know if there was anything else you wanted
to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
No, oh good heavens well, no, I mean thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You don't want to talk about the arrival of seth
Rollins dressed as Giant Tiger.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Oh don't don't you I wish, don't you worry?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Did you miss that?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
We'll get to all the all the hijinks. But thank you,
Lou for enjoying with enjoining me today for this uh
miss Miss's out of town. I think he did. I
think he did it purposely because he knew that this
fucking Parashowe was gonna be uh was gonna be what
it was gonna be, right, it was something. I love it.
There's like people in that are already in the audience

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and they're like, yeah, you're gonna just hate this, and
I'm like, man.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
No, there was there was some good stuff in there.
Like I I like to be positive. I love wrestling.
I want it to be good. But there's some things
you can't like. Well, like good things like I love
that they present the country they're in now. They do
like a little segment on the pre show, you know,

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talking about the country. That's so cool. And then I
really love that France people on the crown had a flag,
like you could see a flag in the crowd, like
people like with they were holding like color cardboards and
and made like the flag. So that was pretty cool.
I love Also there you know the stats on the

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side when the guy actually gets to the to the ring.
That's like it's really it feels like sport. It feels
like combat sports. I like to see that. And the
one thing I've noticed, like Michael Cole and Wade Barrett,
we're making jokes about being drunk, and I was like, Wow,
we are not in the McMahon era anymore. Yeah, there's

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no way that would that would fly with me.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
They're all so they're also overseas too, so I have
this feeling like they TKO. I'm sure looks at these
international shows differently than their American ones, you know what
I mean. I'm sure they look at the commentators and
they're like, we expect you guys to But if they're
doing a pay per view on an American holiday weekend

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at two o'clock in the afternoon on a Sunday, they
probably let them get a little bit looser, you know
what I mean. Maybe not drunk, but you see what
I'm saying, they make the rules a little bit more lax.
I guess you could call it that, but I would
say that in terms of what was probably the most
lax about this evening, it would have to be the
timing and pacing of the majority of these matches, whether

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it be the entrances, the matches themselves. This was a
slog when it was a long, long, long road to
get to every single thing that happened on this show.
And I know you clocked some of these, uh some
of these.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, I did every single match. I did not clock
like every entrance. Most of them were not bad. Like
like I said, even the first match with Roman seemed
like a little bit shorter to me. But with the
first match, you know, you're saying you're setting the pace,
you're like starting the show. I'm okay with longer entrance
to get the crowd into it. The setting was beautiful

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with the outfield towers. It was like different. It was
like something really for this pay per view. So I
really like this. But yeah, overall, and we're gonna talk
about it, like yeah, as as the show progressed, I
got I don't get mad, you know, watching grestling, I

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get disappointed, but I but I was getting like mad
for reasons like.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, oh, don't worry, there's there were many like I'm
so ready. There are many reasons if you have an
eye for what the these shows and matches are supposed
to look like. There were many instances in this where
if you weren't laughing, you were screaming. If you weren't
laughing at it, you were going like, what the fuck? Why?

(05:12):
Why would anybody allow that to happen? Why is that
even an.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Here's here's the thing we spoke about before, and this
time it was like obvious agents, what the fuck? It
was like they did that in the match before, and
they did that in the match before, and why and why?
And then I started questioning and I was like, uh, stop,
try looking at it like a fan. And because I

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am a wrestling fan, I just love to shut off
that wrestling mind of whatever and just enjoy. But there's
some things I just, even as a fan, I could
not ignore. And that's where I was like, fuck, I
was getting along.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
It's like, yeah, it's two. It becomes too too egregious.
And I would say, and you pointed out you were
like Roman's entrance was a little bit shorter today than usual,
but still I think it was somewhere in the range
of twelve to fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's like, yeah, for an entrance is pretty long. It's
it's very long, but you know, I'll say that props
the Roman ring. He looked fucking jacked, Oh my god.
And I like that They mentioned the Ula fallows that
he had to representing his uncle and Dad off Onseca,

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so I like kind of behind it, and oh my god,
props to Pimp Bronze and Red with his fucking fur
coat and his gold chains. And I'm all about Brunson Reed,
like Dad looks I'm like every week he has a
little something more. And I was like, yes, like this
looks cool, like Pimp Brons and Reedy.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
They're trying, they're trying to give him, They're trying to
give him something. I'm still I'm kinda glad that they
took the shoe thing away from him. Not to jump
the gun in the match, but I mean, this was fine.
It was a typical Roman reigns match. It had good
moments to it had a big house show feel to it.
I liked how he got the shoes back and instead

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of being like my precious, I got back my one
hundred and fifty dollars, Yeah, Like, oh my god, because
because that was a complaint that I've had about the
whole shoe thing to begin with. I'm like, there's no
real connection to these shoes. This guy's a multi millionaire
and it's like he stole his air Jordan. It's like,

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what the fuck does he care?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
They mentioned it though, and I think Roman mentioned it
in a post interview or something that it's not about
the shoes. He doesn't care about the shoes. It's you know,
it's about respect and you don't think someone else's things.
You don't just fucking do that. I mean, I get
I get it because he doesn't care, but at least

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he mentioned it. It's not like, oh my god, on
my shoes. It's like, at least I think he sold
it right. It was more like, what the fuck you're doing?
These are my things. You don't fucking do that.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know, But there's there's such like a little kid,
like a grown man scolding a little kid element to that,
though with a guy like Bronson, where I just wish
it had more value to it. Like I know, it's
like a it's kind of dark. It goes to a
little bit more of a morbid place. But the guy's
father had somewhat recently passed, right if he'd have been like,
these were the shoes that I wore at the last rest.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Of yeah, they have a connection. It's just something to
someone it makes it more special. Indeed, it would as
super as it sound. The fucking cmpunk bracelet it was
his wife's name on it, so it meant something. And
it's like it was not just a bracelet, it was
something stronger for punk. So yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
But yeah, they just needed to add a little bit
of They needed to add a little bit more value
to what it was supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Sure a follow was kind of cool. I mean, the
fucking botief like that, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I love the idea at the end at least. I mean,
like I said, I'm kind of jumping by the match,
and you were right, you were talking to me a
little bit before we got on. It was good. I
mean they it was house show. Feel was obvious. They
were taking their time, they were going through the motions.
Clear cut heel, clear cut baby face. Nice to see
in that way. There was no confusion with that. I mean,

(09:27):
let's call it what it was. It was in an
eighties nineties. You know we're going against yeah, right one exactly.
It's just a work. It's the match is just it's
one man gang. It's a big boss man, you know
what I mean? Like that?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean I liked the slow start, like classic
big man the and I really liked that the Roman
rings acknowledged that they were singing fuck you Brooks, And
it took a while for WW to figure it out
and kind of try to censor it, but it was
you know. I love the way that he tried to

(10:03):
pick up Bronson and like slowly and then he crashed
on top of it and they went into the heat.
From there, the crowd was like really into cheering for
the baby face, like there was a good stuff like
in between the moves, the holes and working it up
and hope spots for Roman never you know, as a babyface,

(10:25):
never dying, trying to get the shoes into it. When
for the comeback where Bronson tries to pick up the
shoes he has on at this moment, and I love
also at this point and I'll say why later I'll
be pissed, but at this point Roman took over and
did his comeback using the ring post, the ring and

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everything to bring Bronson down, which made him like look
like a machine, look like very strong stuff because he,
like even Roman Reigns needed needed.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
He wasn't just he wasn't bitching him out. He wasn't exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
So I love that there was some good falses that
choked Slam into the suntan that I would probably ship
my pants on this, like Crucifix Ben DVD. I love.
Oh wow, Bronson did a fucking suicide dive. I mean
there's that, which is cool, and like he missed the

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stunami the spear and then he did like a fucking
tiger bomb. I mean, I love. This match was twenty
four minutes and yeah, it was a good classic match,
easy to understand. Then you already mentioned it at the
end like Roman gets his shoes. I was like, how

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cool is it if you're sitting in the crown and
you catch one of.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Those Oh that was a fantastic And I think the
other day when miss and I were talking about this card,
he'd even said something along the lines of it, well,
what if he gets the shoes and literally just throws
him into the audience, because once again, like we're not
playing this game of you know, this guy's a fucking
multi millionaire and he's waxing poetic about a pair of shoes.

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But he's like, oh man, I'm so glad I got
my shoes back anyways to my private jet, Like it
just wouldn't have made sense. So for him to then
get it and then be like I'm gonna give these
to the people of France and he starts signing it.
He goes to throw it out and then braun it.
That was good.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I was waiting for Braun Breaker app like. I was like, well, okay,
he has to be coming, especially when Paul was tapping
and flopped like a fucking I was beautiful. But then
I was like, yeah, breakers coming. And then when you know,
he was signing the shoes and was standing on top
of the table, I was like, here it comes, here

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it goes yep, but what a top speed less christ.
I feel like, for a second, I thought Broun got
hurt because he fell and then he kind of well
for his shoulder right, Well, I wasn't sure as like
is it a trisip or I was like, did he
theere's tricip or just maybe like he got the wind

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cut off because he got all red and then he
wasn't moving.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I'm worried for that guy for the main reason
of you look at him and he he has these obvious,
huge moments, these flashes of like crazy athleticism, but there
is something to him still where I look at him
and I go he seems to me like a pilot
ligaments ready to tear, Like there's something to him that's

(13:37):
still a little bit boxy and wooden to where in
the next year if we find out he tears a labrum,
he fucks up his knee, something along those lines, I
wouldn't be shocked. And I'm not saying like the guy's
obviously he's a fucking NFL player or something, yeah, you know,
but like there's still something to him. When I see
him move around, I'm like, he can really fucking hurt

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himself for real, for real, and it could be a
big problem. I'll say this. And there was obviously the
obligatory and this is how they've been ending raw for
the last month too, So I wasn't crazy about this
in the first hour of what was going to be
a four hour long pay per view, But then we
have what a fifteen minute long beatdown.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
The whole segment was sixteen minutes. Ugh, yeah, it's it's
pretty long for especially you're like, you just finished first
match on a pay per view. I mean, there was
some cool stuff on me, the top speed and that
fucking jump from this spear he did in the entrance way.
I was like, what it's like it was flying. It's
like whoa, and then the tsunamis on the stretcher. I mean,

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it's all cool stuff, but could have been done maybe.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Faster, every faster everything.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
We're at the fucking TV show instead of doing the
same thing all over where you have.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I am the vision every end. They saved the vision every.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Fucking you know you that instead, yeah you do that
and said, but I mean it was the first match,
and I was like, if if it was the only
thing like that on the show, I wouldn't you know.
It's okay, I'm fine. It's it's impressive, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, it's super athletic, and it's like, I I the
idea of what they're going for with this group is
there supposed to be like wild Man and tough guys
that do crazy things and they're unstoppable and they're unhinged.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, here's the thing. Jake who so comes in alone,
note cheer nothing. He beats their s and then okay,
they will take over. But I always feel like they
look a little weak at some point. There's there's always
one guy coming and then he beats them up and
then they kind of stay there and at least like

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they got him back, but to me, it's not the
best waiting. This is this is.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
How Triple H books people do, lou Is. He consistently
does a great job of finding a way to make
baby faces look stupid and completely invalid and to fuck
up all of the time. Like just like you said,
Jay runs out there, he's got nothing to him, there's
one of him, two of them, and then it's like, yeah,

(16:21):
of course he's gonna get caught with his pants down
where he's sitting there. He's like, I'm trying to help
Roman now, and then someone just slides in instarts beeaeding this. Yeah, duh,
like to pay. We find these ways to make babyfaces
look dumb. And once again, I think it's because Triple
H when he was booking himself for a decade, it
was I'm a heel. I'm the coolest, I'm the toughest.

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I need to connect with the crowd though. I better
have a cool entrance, I better have a cool song.
I better always come out on top. I got to
always be the man. The baby face has to look
dumb as fuck.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And that's not the job of a heel.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
There. Oh well, don't tell Seth that either. But like all,
and that's that's the whole, Like that's his philosophy and
that's always been his thing. But that was it. They've
run down, they're killing them, and the crowd's boo. And
we're fifteen minutes into the fucking show at this point.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
But at least I'll say that the crowd was sew
into it. So that's why I was okay with that,
as long as you you know, it's not always good
as a wrestler, you don't always feel it's the right
thing to do, But as long as the crowd's into it,
at least you're like, okay, the paid The people paid
their fucking money more than ever, by the way, now,
so yeah, you got to take a long to get

(17:34):
a fucking ticket. At least you know what they're screaming.
They're in to it good, And I mean the little
backstage segment with oh, how good is fucking Adam Bearch.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He's he's great. But my problem is now with this
and this is like a wrestling thing across the board
that has driven me crazy for quite some time, where
now we've gotten to a place where guys don't even
just break rules, a straight up break laws and they
do things that would get you in real serious trouble

(18:09):
because at the end of the day too, like we
know that, you know, even with Adam Pierce, there's a
character it's like this is a job. They work there,
These are employees of the job, and so the most
important guy in the company is basically beaten so badly
he's getting taken out in a stretcher. I'm sure he'll
be written off now until Survivor series, which is lovely

(18:31):
because he was just starting to fucking be on the
show more often.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
He has a movie, so yeah, he's got right.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
He's got to go film some fucking car movie or
Transformers eleven or something. I don't know, but is it
Oh yeah, yeah, that'll uh yeah, that'll do Gangbusters. It'll
be a it'll that'll be on a streaming platform in
three weeks after its release. But no, there's like a

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thing that drives me fucking crazy with this where they'll
do stuff like that and Adam Pierce is like, hey,
you're kicked out of here for the night, and I'm
like the.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Night, the night, yeah, the night, Like you's got rid
of money, money, money, money for this.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
You'll go home and think about what you've done, like.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Wearing a little hat on your head.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, you'll come back in twelve hours. I'm real mad
at you. It's it's like, I don't know if this
was as big of a viral thing in Canada as
it was in America, But did you ever see the
clip of the little kid that stole his grandmother's car
and drove it into shit? And like his name it
was Yeah, and it was like a little boy. And

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they were like, how do you think that you should
get in? You know what, what do you think should
happen to you? And he's like, I don't know, like
no video games for the weekend. And it's like he
crashed into like five fucking cars And that's how I
that's how I feel it. This Like we're like, okay,
well you're almost paralyzed Roman, and they're like, what's your punishment.

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He's like, I don't know, no video games for the.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Weekend, and the crowd was chanting merci Roman, which means
thank you Roman, always getting stretched out and U. Yeah.
So the bron Bronze were out for the night. So
that's when I was like, well, fourth Man is coming,
I'm guessing, so there has to be someone right.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
They found that in so hard though. I mean, everybody
knows what this shit's gonna be. So yes, I mean
those guys after almost murdering the guy who is the
biggest money maker in the company at the moment, sants
John Cenay, they were put in the corner for three seconds.
So that's the big punishment that we do on these shows.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's man, how good were the bron Bronze when Set
was injured?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh man, I miss it, Oh I miss so oh
those instead of glory days, it was like glory day.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Speaking of glory, let's talk about the second match.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh my god, we'll get to that. I want to
put them. Thank you to Mueller for five five buckeroos
five bens. At least you don't have to deal with
Peacock's bullshit anymore. I don't know about that because state
side for us, the Peacock app is easier. I'm gonna
have to get one of those VPNs.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Stephanie mcmahone, Well, I'm I'm Canadian. So I watched Netflix
and by the way, I did get the Shark this
week because yeah, people trying to get into my emails
or something. So I was like, oh, let's let's take
So I did use the Russell Talk though, uh, the code.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Though, the helper, the lovely people from Russell Talk who
entertained me every day with their news. So it was like,
but yeah, I did this somewhat listen to Stephanie, I
got myself sharp.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
As being a Canadian, I'm already on Netflix, so yeah,
I don't have any publicities, but I have like stupid
songs once in a while. Well, you guys have some commercials.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh, don't worry, we'll have There'll be plenty of commercials.
But iah, I guess we'll go on to the next match, right.
So the next match, I believe was the tag team
Championship match, right between the Wyatt's Six and the Street Profits.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
So yes, I'm Profits accompanied by b Fab, which I
didn't even know order lens.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, I didn't even know that that Beefab was with her.
I'm not a regular SmackDown viewer, but apparently that's the
thing is Borderlands is it? Did they sponsor the show?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Oh? Yes, they sponsored the show.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh okay, because I didn't know or.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Something else, but yeah they yeah, so and it's really
funny because they were like even wearing spike jock straps
and I was like, well, that's interesting thing.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I was like, okay, so did anybody ever tell Angelo
Jawkins that you need to dress for your body type?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Can?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I also point that out because that was him wearing
the white singlet thing with the logo that was like
basically tracing his belly. I'm like, man, this is not
flattering on you at all, buddy, that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You don't have to bless his heart. I believe I
believe somebody from t KOWW went that's like, yes, mister Dawkins,
that this is what you're wearing today. And I think
that was the end of it.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yea. I think I think he thought to himself, I
won't be so bad, and it was. It did not
look good. It did not look good in any way,
shape or form. But this is how much I care
about the Wyat six gimmick. By the way, though that
I'm more interested in Angelo Dawkins fucking under singlet. I
don't know, how do you feel about this Wyat sixth thing.

(23:47):
I don't think I've gotten to talk to you about
it at all.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, just to finish on the street profits and b fam,
I you know what, Bfam, wrestler. No, but as a manager.
She cut a promo before the show explaining like, how
uh they they've been together for some years and they
were they know how to work together. Blah blah. It
was a it was a good promo. She's she's a

(24:12):
good babyface manager. She does not too much and enough
little stuff. I think she should be more involved. But
I mean as a manager, I think she she fits
well with the Prophets and for our friends, the Wyatt six,
I'll just say it was really cool that they were
singing the music and Bray Wyatt, Bray Wyatt, my god, Dallice, Yeah,

(24:38):
both Dallas went we we we. It was like that.
So that was cool. And they they cut the music
and people kept singing the song, so that was cool.
But then it kind of blah, yeah, what what what
I would describe as a regular Friday Nights mack down

(25:00):
match started. They try to show a little bit of
dissension between the Prophets and Montez Ford is such a
great fucking babyface.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
He did go, uh, don't even get me started on
the waist. That is at this point with him, I'm
looking and I'm thinking to myself. By the main event,
I'm running this through my head and I was talking
to a buddy of mine. I was watching this with
over my place, and I'm going, why is he not
Jay Husso?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Why he did like, yeah, some great stuff with Loomis
at the beginning, and the way I'll give that to
the Wyatts six, the way they isolated Montes and cut
the ring in half, which we don't see enough in
tag team wrestling. They did that perfectly in that match.
But at one point the crowd was so quiet you

(25:52):
could hear them calls, and then they started choking, and
I was like, I get they're kind of weird, but
you know, choking as your baby face. It's the crowd
when they don't know if your face your heel, they'll
just shut up, and that's what you don't want.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
This was supposed to be babyface first. Baby face.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Ye, yes, there's always one of them that should be
more aggressive, but to the point of choking. And I
mean they're not really graceful. But you know, going back
to Dockings, like maybe his gear was not really flattering.
Is the nae the word we should use? But man,

(26:37):
can he move at its size? I mean the jumps
and the bumping feed and the dives and everything like,
I was like, man, the street profits just they should
have more. I was like why, And I feel one
point like months to me had been on the top
rope forever. And then wait Barrett again, bless his heart,

(27:00):
he tries to cover so much. He's so good. He's like, oh,
it was a sluggish clam because I think it it
went too long until Loomis went got to her. And
then I saw noticing that Gacy's was doing the little
feat and I was like ah, and they were fighting
outside and it's like they did that and match one,

(27:22):
why they're doing again? Match two? And it's obviously a
tag team. It doesn't have any there's no there's not
like a main feud. There's something, but it's I wouldn't say,
it's not as intense as you know, Roman rings and
Paul Eman's clicking no no. I was like, why are

(27:44):
they going outside? I was like, ah, fuck. And then
that there was a tackle in the barricades and I mean,
Montha is jumping over the corner is fucking amazing. But
then they needed Nikki Kross and his sister Abigail on
the outside to finish on Dawkings with what they call
the plague, and I was like, you know what, again,

(28:07):
this should be on SmackDown. It's not really Peele material.
It's not a bad match, and like I said, good
stuff like the the team, like the Wyatt six, like
using like half of the ring and stuff, and good
fucking comebacks from the street profits. And it's like, man,
I rarely say that, but it's like they deserve more

(28:31):
than this. Well, yes, lets do something with the street.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Profits and street profits themselves individually. Like I said, I
see Dawkins and I go, this is the guy that
Keith Lee should have been. Yeah, And and I see
Montees and like, you know, this is Jay's jay Uso.
I mean, Montes could at least throw a punch and
cut of promo. I mean forgot, for God's sakes, I

(28:55):
mean not to go back, but like jay USO's punches
look like kids in the hallway of a high school,
fake wrestling, Like Jailso has been wrestling for fifteen years,
and that's what his fucking punches look like. It's inexcusable.
But no, this is those two individually. At this point,
I look and I see Dawkins. I go, Doccins should

(29:16):
be wearing the same gear that Keith Lee was doing
all the ship that Keith Lee did, and Montez probably
is going to eventually end up turning Keel. They're gonna,
you know, pull that on us and he'll be able
to go do his own thing. But the Wyatt sixth
thing is the complete shitsu. Joe Gacy is a New
Jersey indie guy and that's probably where he should have stayed.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And this is there's I think with Doumous. But I mean,
at this point, did did they give up or I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't think that they're got they got anything for
him other than the same thing as Nicky Cross. If
they didn't have if they didn't have the crazy fucking
you know, new medals.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That she was great at Sanity and then like the
fucking superhero ass like came. I was like, uh, this
this mass was fourteen minutes. I mean for a tag,
it's it's a good time, but again it's it's a
TV mass.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And the funny the funny thing is you said that
the street profits deserve more, but I also think to myself,
this crowd deserves more. If they're spending one thousand dollars
for tickets to this show. You shouldn't be giving them
low card. And I know that the tag team champions
on SmackDown, but like, you shouldn't be giving them low
card tag team matches on a show where people spent

(30:36):
one thousand dollars to be at. This should be Dom
should be on the show. Sammy Zane that just won
the US Championship even he should be on the show.
Why is this happening?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Do you know what? Sammy winning the championship? Had it
made more sense if his match with Solo was on
this guard instead of this absolutely there there would have
been a big pop, like and Sammy speaks French, she
could have said something the crowd big pop. I mean,
I don't know, I mean they maybe they wanted to
give him their little something on SmackDown as well, but

(31:11):
like like you say, like a pay per view or
like I still call it pay per view pl e's
excuse me.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm just getting used to the pl myself.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
So yeah, it should be and the feuds or something
or contemnation of a feud where something so big happens
that it has to keep going until the next pl
and this was like it would have been better, just
like a freaking spotfest with Mortar City machine guns and
the street profits. That would have been great at least

(31:42):
for exciting for the crowd that was there.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
At least well the crowd also was into and this
is it Like at this point it sounds so old
man and curmudgeingly, but I really don't give a fuck.
At this point. WWE show for the most part, are like,
come for the entrances, stay for the wrestling, sort of.
Maybe so they go, oh the Wyots, don't worry, They'll
do the wyat lights, and the people in France will

(32:07):
be like, fucking Zachary Blue. We all get to put
our fucking phones in the air. And that's worth my
you know, two hundred dollars. I'm basically paying per match, right.
It's crazy that that was something that even made this
card when you consider all of the different things and
all the different people and all the different option you know,
options they had for this. When you're in a position

(32:30):
where WWE is now and where they've been for the
last few years, where they have main event guys and girls,
to where the majority of these pay per view pl
shows they open with one of the biggest stars in
the company and then close it's one of the biggest
stars in the company. The middles shouldn't be ham and eggers.

(32:50):
The middle shouldn't be these fucking goofballs. You should be
able to put people on these cards that if you're
going overseas, they need to see the value in it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Speaking of people who shouldn't be on cards of ples,
oh boy so and it honestly breaks my heart because fuck,
I want women's wrestling to thrive. I wanted to steal
the show like but this.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Wait wait wait, wait wait you I mean this is
I think that now at this point, I mean, I
should really just it should be all me on this
conversation now, dude, what the hell is this? Nicki Bello
versus Nikki Bella versus Becky Lynch. Listen, Nikki looks like
the fucking warlord next to Becky. Becky. I don't know

(33:40):
what's going on with her. I don't know what's going
on with her physical health, but she looks slight, she
looks slice, she looks sick. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean when you have women like rear replay and
like bigger, stronger like Stephanie vaquer and I don't get
me wrong. Like you know, when I see someone come back,
I was, I'm I'm like cheering for them to impress
us and and you know, prove people wrong. And I
was like, you never know whoever thought that when he

(34:13):
came back, Ricky in the Dragon's Steamboat was still the
fucking show with Chris Jericho. I mean that was like fucked,
like you're surprised, like you want them to succeed, like
and then you're like, okay, and then this whole thing
starts with it was okay to step away because I
thought the women's division was now in great hands. I

(34:34):
was like, so Nikki gets out, the crowd in Fronce
is quiet, and there's even some booze.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, once again, they paid one thousand dollars for the show,
Loup being huge fucking money to be at this thing.
In one of the like five or six matches is
Becky Lynch versus Nikki Bella.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So Nicky Becky got sets coats from the closet. So
we saw that, and the heel was more over than
the baby face. There was let's go Becky chance and
they were even sitting Vicky with the daddy cool kind
of vibe thing that they do now Becky Becky, nanch

(35:20):
or whatever, and uh and one minute into the match,
they go outside and they hit the tables in the
guardrail and I'm like, what the fuck. That's the second match, Like,
I mean, it happened in match one. You want to
get Roman out. There's a story there. It's been going

(35:40):
for fucking months. Now, Okay, I'm cool with that. You know,
you gotta you gotta take him off television. But at
least it's like the conclusion of a long storyline for
him to come back stronger when he's done with his movie.
I'm cool with that. But then, like I said, second match,
they go outside to work the heat. Third match, same

(36:03):
fucking thing they go outside for They eat and the
heat is really easy. You'll eat working like choking on
the ropes, and Nicki's just standing there not fighting back,
and I'm like she's like and nothing is going on,
and then she gets up with shit forms where people

(36:25):
are booing, and I'm like no, no. I was like,
it's it's there's one women's match on the show, and
I'm like, oh, this is bad. And then like wait
buried again, bless his heart.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
Oh the ring rust is showing you know when you
have as old that long, like think you wait because
I don't know what's going on here, and everything Nicky
was doing was like small, like everything the dude.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
What about the face on the desk?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Oh my, oh god? And on the table with the ants.
I was like Jesus, like, fuck Zandy, get out of
my body, Jesus, I'm like that little feeling not connect
with fucking moves. And I was like no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I was like no.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I was like, there's there's no Aria versus EO. That's
say this fucking thing. I was like, dude, and you
could see her did you see her elbows? I don't
know if it's from the bumps. They were like all
scratched up red with fucking skin hanging out and the
I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, can we also say this and this is a
huge problem that not only just I mean, this is
wrestling across the board. I can't even just blame WWE
for this, but I mean, if I'm including a w
it's already a gland show. But this idea of Whe're
gonna make you like, why is Nikki Bella in a

(37:48):
mass It's like fifteen minutes long. There's no need for that.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Why Yeah, that match was sixteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, why that's not necessary.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Did you notice at one point that Becky started selling
like Sean Michael was selling to Old Cogan.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, because she knows this. And this is what's craziest
to me still is that Becky you mentioned the aging earlier,
who's calling these spots thinking Nikki Bella can do them,
Who's sang to them? This makes sense. This is what

(38:24):
it should be.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
This should be as an agent, Yeah, this should be.
I have to protect whoever's in the ring with you
hide their weaknesses, and you put forward whatever they're good at.
A great question. Who thought that this was the way
to book this match? As like? And like I said,
I want all the ladies to do good. I want

(38:46):
women's wrestling overall to look fantastic. I want them to
steal the show. But I was like, again, these fuck
I love Becky, but fuck, it's not working right now.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's it's painful.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It's painful, and the screaming promos and everything it's like.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Grading and obnoxious. Well, dude, I couldn't help but pick
up on the fact that Becky's doing shit in this mansion.
This is where I'd have to ask you this because
I can't really attest to either of these two women
and what you'd think they would feel or what one
of these agents would think. Who's telling them that this

(39:31):
is a good idea. Is this Nikki thinking that she's
capable of more than she actually is, or is this
Becky in her mind being like, I need my matches
to be like a I'm gonna go out there and work,
you know, I'm going to do a fifteen minute Like
who do you think it is that's making this choice
for them?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Probably probably both, plus the fact that there's less matches now,
so h matches need more time. I really think that Nicki,
and I think it's always been this way. I think
she over values whatever what she can do in the ring,
the way she talks like she changed wrestling. But I'm like,

(40:15):
go watch Shimmer or if you you know, if you
don't want to talk about d INDI's go watch NXT.
Not the same, you know. And then Becky, I think
she thinks, you know, I want to go out there
and you know, hey, Nikki, I think about doing this.
It's you know, people are gonna get some pity for

(40:37):
you if we beat up outside blah blah blah, and
Nicki goes yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't do it, no problem,
and then it looks like.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Well call me crazy, and I think that. Let me
just run this by you and see what you think.
If this match had been simply Becky, who was getting
the baby face reaction for the most part because they're
overseas and they don't care about Nikki Pella and the
majority of aren't really invested in her, would it have

(41:08):
made more sense? And do you think it would have
worked in that situation had it just been simple Nikki shine,
Maybe a simple a couple simple things. Fucking arm drag hiptos.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Eight eight minutes max, yes, and you know, maybe something
where uh got best. Becky starts and she attacks Nikki,
but she ducks fire up right there. Arm drag, arm drag,
fucking drop kick. He'll goes out, Tenser, you know, fucking
goes nuts. Oh, I wasn't ready shit that ship. If
you want to do the whole school running around the ring,

(41:46):
go in Becky stops you with a stump boom heat
deal and have Nikki fight back all the time, not
fucking die and wait there doing nothing at least she
would get some sympathy. Now it was like, uh, oh
she's getting hur in the Fearless lock, and oh she's
flying the disarmor. Oh yeah, one thing she she was
doing Becky's moves, So yeah, she tried to disarmor and

(42:10):
then yeah and the disarmor was it? What's it was
an armbar or some sort, and oh yeah she did
also the manhandle slam. They went like, oh they're using
she's using Becky's own moves and blah blah blah. And
at this point, like from everything, like with the jump

(42:31):
roll into the face first on the outside that on
the stairs, that was what it was, and then the
Fearless Lock to the ropes, it was like and then
it went outside again again. So I was like, uh,
it became so rough, Like it was like at this point,
it had been like ten minutes that I was saying

(42:53):
to myself, please go.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Home, please go, please go home to count, please have going.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Because the crowd was like dead dead and then backslide
pin one, two three, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You know the exact thing you want to do with
your heel. I I don't know who the fuck is
booking these finishes. I don't know who's booking these shows.
I think part of the reason why I am so
absolutely fucking annoyed by both Becky and Sets, which you know,
obviously the main event played out that way, and I
think you could have heard a fucking fly kwef in

(43:28):
the third row. But it was deader dead dead dead
deader than Abe Lincoln, but like atrocious where I'm looking
at it and I'm saying to myself, this to me
stinks of a handful of workers backstage let's call them
SAT's and Becky, who think what they're doing is fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
They have so many women that are good. I mean,
you got a thing going now with Riha and Oscar
and what like, here's our names, Rhya Oscar. Why did
they remove Stephanie Vacaire from the freaking show? I mean,
give her something else. I don't know, put her against Julia.
She can't fight for the women's championship because she's pregnant.

(44:14):
She's gone, okay, I don't know, give her a match
against Julia for the USA title. At least you have
a fucking great women's master, represents the brand great something
goddamn it. I was like, I was like, this hurts
my soul. All well, well this was died a little.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Well, let's look at this here Anna in the chat.
Thank you to Anna. She's always always joining us over
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You can grab the link to it there, Anna for
five bucks. Thank you. Anna says Becky was never really
supposed to be good. Her man run was born out

(44:56):
of an accident, and Seth has ruined her. Ooh, the
beginning part of it is tough because I had liked
Becky before she had found this character, and I always
thought that she had potential or at least the character
that actually got over.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
When she was she had great matches. But when she
started to be like a kind of eccentric like set
it was like that's.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, when she became her, when she was one of
she was the girl that became her boyfriend. I've said
that one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
She was wearing his jacket. I repeat, I'm pretty sure
I saw Seth Rollin's wearing that for a jacket.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, And that was to me, like, it's it's funny
because I've said that before and people have told me,
let's say it was a lot of the time, it's
women that like, that's real. Mean, you shouldn't say that.
But I go, well, if you look at it, when
she became the man and she was the tough guy
and she was pretending to be Connor McGregor, she was
with an MMA guy, then she wasn't with that MMA guy,

(45:53):
and then she got with Seth Rowlins, and then she
became fucking Freddie Mercury and now she's become this obnoxious, fucking.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Don't do that, Freddy, please, don't I know. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's what she wanted to be. I didn't say she did.
I didn't chase. He succeeded at it. But that's what
she wanted to be. And as far as it being
like has Seth ruined her, I mean, I don't know
what the fuck to tell you otherwise, because she's clearly
trying to be like Seth and his character is absolutely
fucking insufferable. So I don't know what to tell you,

(46:30):
but yes, that.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Was painful, and you know what, that's The match following
was Russev and Seamus in don Wait Wait no count out,
no d ck, no hols bar The fucking two matches
before went outside? What the fuck that one where I
was like, fucking man, I'm like, why did you let

(46:52):
them go outside? Match one? It's fine, but two and
three should have never been outside. They didn't need it. Actually,
when you have a fucking match that's been advertised as
fucking no DQ, no cowdown, no holes, bar.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Agent, but you didn't realize you didn't point this important
thing out this match there were barrels. They had barrels,
chance and there's a bar yeah bar oh man. This
was a very good, serious, hard hitting match with what

(47:33):
I would call a very soft finish I will call
data finish this point.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
At this point, I was so out of it because
of the you know, match two was like okay, but
like not p L. You know, uh it's you and
then yeah, and then the the women's match and and
the hits on the tables and everything. I was like,
I was like so like fuck and it was hard

(48:02):
for me to get into the match, and even for
the crowd I felt it was. It was kind of tough.
And then fucking Shamus and Ruthcev not only they were
beating the shit out of each other. But they started
to do the fucking chest shots, like in the crowd
on the fucking uh on the bar and then with

(48:23):
the chilele and the crowd and every like, they got
like people woke up, like they were in the fucking
trance from the fucking match before where they were slowly
dying and somehow they became alive again. And fucking props
to Rusev and Seamous because this crowd was like not there.

(48:44):
This match was great for the people in attendance. It
was fun for them. There was a lot of crowd participation,
interaction the top rope outside with the fucking kendo man, fuck,
it was Oh. The choke slammed through the bar, fucked
was like so of course people were chanting this is awesome.

(49:05):
And the white noise through the table and.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
So much in this Yeah, there was so much gud.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Rogan and yeah in the face with the kickout and
the crowd stood up.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I was like, yes, it's what made the finish a
little bit. Like I said, it made it tougher because
because it was like the chialle and I'm like, I'll
be honest with you, this fucking chiallee doesn't feel like
much after all those aforementioned spots you just talked about.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Like breaking on this fucking back of his head, that's cool,
but choking is like, eh, I get they want to
put over his his finish, but yeah, I although I
will say that the way fucking shamess legs were like
underneath his body, I was like, oh fuck, no, my
knees just die And I was like, no, new, I
wouldn't take it, like, but yeah, I don't care much

(49:55):
about the chilele. I think a one two three here
would have been a much whatever doubt whatever the fucking
move one two three would have been better than a
tap out. But I'm like, okay, the he'll went over
this is this few can keep going and you know what,
I'm all for it. It was twenty one minute of
fucking like they.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
A match all there.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That was a pay per view match, Yes, that was
a match.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
It makes me, it makes me sad at this point
because I see Seamus and I spent a dozen years
watching this guy be the biggest dullard, so boring, just
and yeah, just flavorless shitty. But they're just like bad,

(50:42):
bad matches. And then like you know, miss and I
have said a million times like COVID was the best
thing that ever happened to. Seamus is a performer because
him and Drew were sitting there in the weird TV
room and for whatever reason, they were like, you know what,
let's just beat the shit out of each other, and
they fact and they both found this place in each

(51:02):
other and like they had a level of trust with
each other where in your mind you're like, man, these
guys could go out there and phone it to fucking
and pretend like raw because they're just both big dudes,
and their shit looks better because of it. But they
both got so much out of that period, at least
as end ring performers that like, I love Seamus now

(51:23):
I hate it scuts forever and now I'm like he's
a four and what sucks is and what kills me?
And also, while watching this match, because you know, I'm
sitting there on the couch, would do other people that
are in their thirties and forties, and We're going, oh,
because we both know how old both shamous and I'm going, ah, well,

(51:44):
the fucker, this poor fucker. Oh dude.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
You know what, though, you know what, when you have
wrestlers that hold and they go and they fucking kill
it this way. It's because they fucking care. And that's
the fucking people I want to cheer for. They don't
need to do that. They don't have have do you know,
laid them in the way they do, but they do,
and it's like, fuck, man, thank you, this is fucking good.

(52:07):
I'm like, ah, I felt like revigeating after this fucking
mess where yeah, I died, like a part of my
soul left my body the match before and then it
came back with this fucking mass.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Would never have been There would never have been a
point in the year I don't know twenty sixteen where
I would have said, thank god Seamus is on the card,
so it would have a good match. That would not
have happened. But this was this to me, I mean,
like a fucking spoiler alert. This was the best thing
on the show by a lot, by a lot. And yeah,

(52:40):
it was overall a good match, like I said, though
with a weaker finish just just kind of but you're right,
they're more than likely even this is an open ended thing.
They made a good point of saying Seamus, you know
he capped twice in his career, and I'm like that
sounds about right. Seamus used to not lose ever ever. Ever,
he was the most protected guy, and he had these horrible,

(53:01):
fucking bland matches, but glass half full, he's where he's
supposed to be now. Unfortunately he's like forty five years old,
and it's like, fuck, I'd love to see this guy
become something on the show and pushed, but that ain't
gonna happen. But this was, Yeah, this was a really
goddamn good match, and in between a lot of really

(53:21):
really below average loosey goosey pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
So yeah, twenty one minutes, I mean, the entrances were
not fucking long as you know, I short enough, Like,
so yeah, at first few minutes were a little bit
tough for me, and I for the crowd too because
because of what happened before. But then when it's when
it fucking they went crazy, and so did I by

(53:46):
myself on my couch with my cats, and I was like, finally,
I'm like, fucking cheer.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Well, let me ask you this lude. Do you think
that Nikki Bella walked to the back and saw Seamus
and kind of like pat him on the shoulder and
was like that cad. Don't you just.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Follow that we.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Go duk thal and that you're good.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Oh, just just to finish on this match. Here's the why,
here's what I wrote, save the disaster that happened before me.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
That's true. It is really rough when you have these
shows and it feels really the match order is so
drawn out of a hat, where it's like, here's here's
Roman Reigns. He's like the biggest fucking most pushed guy
in wrestling history, and he's yeah, and he's but he's

(54:40):
opening your show. But he's out there for an hour.
And then they're like, all right, now, let's send out
the guy. He's from fucking mushroom Head and a tag
team that's barely ever on television. It's like, all right,
I guess that makes sense. And they're like, hey, you
want to see a forty year old lady dressed like
a nineteen year old stripper against a fucking way fish
redhead That was interesting six years ago. And you're like,

(55:03):
Jesus Christ, what is this?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
What is the great? There's great forty year old ladies
out there. I mean, trist Stradus looks great.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Oh yes, oh, don't get don't get me wrong. I'm
not saying nicky. I'm not saying like Nikki.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Nikki looks great. It's just as a wrestler she in
the first place, I don't I've never seen her as
one of the top wrestlers. I mean, she's not ever
even Marie Bad. But I mean it's never been. You know,
it's it's that generation, like it is what it is.
It's it's not it's not to me a great part

(55:39):
of history when it comes to women's wrestling, but considering
the talents we have now, and you just look at
all the girls at NXT and you're like, what the
fuck was that? This is what's on the big show?
And I just watched NXT last week and it was like,
I'm not a huge, huge fan of Mariah May because
she has good matches and then very bad and it's

(56:01):
not constant. But I was like, Jordan and Mariah May
were so fucking much better and by far, by far
last week. I should have been on this fucking pay
per view. And I mean the match that I saw tonight,
I would have cut half to do like if you
want a story with you know, somebody from the past
and have the crowd like kind of a you know,

(56:22):
just a vintage moment. I get that it's fine, but
on TV like not the fucking thousand dollars seats, No.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No, no, And I think and I think this too,
and it's like, we'll get to the next match. But
the women's thing with such a fucking clusterfucking this match
was so good. But like, I can only imagine how
difficult it must be to smarten up some of these
girls on n XTTV that are watching shit like Nikki
Bella beyond pay per view and not be able to

(56:54):
explain it to him, to be like, hey, listen, like
sol Ruka, we know you're like a fitness model and
athletic as shit and could do everything a hundred times
better than Nicky Bella. But what you don't understand is
she was pushed for a decade when Vince was here,
and she had a backwards at and two reality shows.
So she gets to be on the pay per view

(57:15):
in France and you get to wrestle in Philly like that.
I that must be so difficult to explain to some
of these kids that aren't wrestling people or immediately like
forward business mind people, or athletes like college athletes where
the thought process is, if you're on a fucking football team,

(57:36):
if you're the best player, you get minutes. Right, If
you're the best fucking person for the position, you should
play it. It's not This is not.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
The way it works in wrestling unforged.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
And I don't know how you explain that to some
of these kids. That must be an actual challenge to
say to like a Kilanie Jordan or I mean like that.
There's so many girls.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
There's like girl with fucking like Olympic medals. Now you know,
so yeah, so well you have two Olympic gold medal
But I mean Nikko Bella, she was she had a
TV reality but you.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Don't understand it. She used to she used to have
a reality show where she got drunk with her sister
and they yelled at each other.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Part of this fucking show was John Cena and Daniel Brian.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Oh. I know. And and by the way, I guess
we should go to the next match where we had
none other than John Cena and Logan Paul. Let me
ask you this, how many weeks do you think that
Logan Paul was practicing this match before this happened?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Truthfully, I don't know, but this match if there's a
way to describe it too much for I mean, props
the John Cena that match, No Lie was the thirty
fucking minutes, oh thirty minutes, that's belt about no entrance.

(59:05):
Thirty minutes. Mister Cina was sweating like a motherfucker. He
was read as fuck, and my god, it's like by
the end of it, it was you could see it
was a bit of a struggle. But fuck man, John
Cena is like he's fucking John Cena. Logan Logan Paul's song.
I hate it so bad that I want to kill

(59:27):
myself every time I hear it. And they talk about
how many subscribers he had and all stuff, and I'm like, oh,
that's old me, of course, you know, being wrestled in
fucking nineties eight, And I was like, that's where we're at.
They book fucking people according the fucking subscribers, and they

(59:47):
it's even on the ND's like they push people have
numbers of subscribers. But but they do shit in the right.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Logan Paul is a
fucking freak of athlete. It's like and if he commits, yes,
he could be a fucking like top stars. I can't

(01:00:07):
like for sure. The fucking crowd was so loud when
Sena came and they I love that they waited like
a few seconds to start his music, so they started
chanting Sena, and when the first note of his songs
like could be heard, like, they fucking went crazy. And
that's where I said, you know what, fuck the rock man.

(01:00:30):
He came in and like almost destroyed everything that shit
and we were left He'll see now for no fucking
reason and taking souls and shit. I was like, and
people love this man like so much and I was like, oh,
this heal turn could have been something, but I was
like it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's not. It's not even worth it in the grand
scheme of things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I know it was kind of a waste of two
months of John Cena on his last year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
For what I was like, well over and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
God, it's over, and I think John Cena's doing what
he's supposed to do. I love the grain introduction the
announcer gave him. It felt like a big fight feel.
And I also like that cold and Weight reminded us
that there was an actual, you know, background story from
the Royal rumble with Logan and Sena so because I

(01:01:23):
forgot about that because chair shots. So I mean, I
was like, oh, yeah, that's true. And the start of
this match, I really like, that's the strength we don't
see that often. And I was like, okay, good, it's
been a long time since I you know, seeing that
steps on the foot and Sina bumps on his ass.

(01:01:44):
This bump was like not graceful, like a toddler.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
But I was like, well, this is well, this is
what I love about Sena, and this is also why
I see how both Sena and Punk connect with one
another and how you're gonna have a complete class of
wrestler that is going to be gone unfortunately in the
next five years or so. All of what you just

(01:02:11):
described where you said these guys came out, they did
a test of strength, they got a reaction. They're trying
to get something out of little while also still showing personality.
They took a little bit of time, but they didn't
take too much time Roman reigns, but they found a
way to get the best out of this with very

(01:02:34):
fucking little. And as it went along, like you said,
probably wait, man, I'm sitting there, I'm going logan seen
as fucking old. Stop beating this relax relax like he was.
He has really trying to And I think this is
a you know, it makes sense for Logan Paul. He's

(01:02:55):
like twenty seven to twenty eight years old. The kid's
a freak fucking athlete. And I think that in his
mind every time he gets in the ring, he's still
thinking with the mentality of like a second year indie wrestler,
where they're like, we gotta do every every fucking thing
like they it's Alex Shelley two thousand and seeing where

(01:03:15):
it's like, have you heard of a move? We're doing it?
Like that's what it looks like. When he's in there,
it's like, dude, you chill, Chill the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
But you could you could see Sina. You probably noticed too,
Like I'm sure, like if you anybody out there who
will wrestle before you, you kind of notice when they
talk crap or they talk to each other. And Sina
kept telling him every time he did a move, get
the crowd, get the crowd. So at one point, like
he was, Logan was doing it by himself, would do

(01:03:45):
something leave taunt the crowd. Sina would be like struggling
and get sympathy, like old school things that will always
fucking work. So I was like, yes, fuck yes. They
had like a clothesline that led to a double down
like the first one into a mini comeback blockbuster from
the second rope to cut that little comeback and to

(01:04:07):
the second e like there was a great guthnch bomb
that Sena took like perfectly. And then I was like
really surprised when they said like, oh, that uppercut was
sorrow like. I was like, oh, they're mentioning an.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Oh, because because right now he's sitting down there and
in Shackston Fell and he's like some day, maybe some
day I get to go back. Uh No, dude, The
funny thing isn't It's like, why would I pick on
seeing about this? He's almost done. We all know this anyways.
But Sena yells so loudly in the ring. There's a

(01:04:41):
lot there's there's a lot of children that watch his
matches that are products of divorce that they only wish
their parents communicated as loudly and openly with each other
as John Sina does with his opponents.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Again, Wade Barrett, He's like, oh, Cino talking crap. Well, yeah,
like the spots like I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Think you wait, He's like, get up, throw, throw a
big punch. Duck for that, Jesus Christ, John, please try
a little bit, man, And then it's it. It's like
I obviously at this point, it's almost it's almost a
part of his match that we just expect, like if

(01:05:21):
we didn't, honestly, I'll say this, Louke. Maybe that was
some sort of way of saying, hey, guess what, this
entire match wasn't called top to bottom in the back
because I'm John Cena and I'm calling spots at the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Like you know what I would I would. He was
talking so much because I at one more time, like
do they need to make like add time to this thing,
because it it looks like they're they keep on adding
and adding and so huh. First they went like the
first there was like a buckshit lariat kind of thing,

(01:05:59):
but he was kind of too far, but it was
a buckshit lariate and to the AA that he kicked
out like Logan kicked out of it, and I was like,
it's a little too soon for you, kid to kick
out the fucking John Cena's finished. I was like, uh, well,
you know what, Yeah, at best. That's like foot on
the rope would have been great. Actually, Then he went
into an octopus stretch, then a fucking AA and sunset

(01:06:22):
slit into the SDF, pushed to the ropes. Then he
hit the fucking tornado et all the fucking moves John
Cena never does boos and an over bomb, and they
did the fucking tackle again and to his zig zag,
and then they kept on adding moves. But the match
at this point was starting to get slow and it

(01:06:45):
was getting long. So there was a modified flatliner, a swanton,
and the standing moon salt angel wings out of nod.
Yeah on the knees though, so I was like, oh, okay.
Then flying uppercuts from corner to corner. There were so
many fucking running flying upper cups in the corner once

(01:07:07):
that Sena was staying there, some of them he was
kind of moving. I was like, was he supposed to
move out from the first one and he forgot or
It's like it was like what the fuck? And I'm like,
this seems so long, like pop up upper cup like Czarro,
And then here's where I fucking lost it. Logan Paul

(01:07:27):
goes into John Cena's tackle and five shuffle knuckle and
I'm like, from the fucking Bella match to the match before,
he's stealing the moves of the babyface same fucking story.
Three match in a row, back to back. What the
fuck who's not talking to Why are they not talking

(01:07:50):
to each other? This is something like super important not
to do and everything because it's special. So I was like, shit,
you should keep this for Sena and why it happened
two matches before and I was like, eh, in one
of the worst match in fucking history of all things.
And then there's a fucking AA again and he kicks
out again and I'm like, okay, it's Logan, Paul. It's like, no,

(01:08:14):
maybe one, like you said, are fucking ropes, I would okay,
or if the ref is distracted and it takes. But
it was like, come on, this is this is not
Roman reigns. This is is like finishes don't mean shit.
And then there was a Yaboo thing and Sina gets
into Urik and Runna into a cold Red and he

(01:08:35):
kicks like Logan kicks out of that. I like though
that Cole said like, well, it's actually the pop Rocks from.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
From Oh which, by the way, yeah, I laughed at
that because I'm thinking at myself, I'm going, you know
that we have a unique choice of people to do
a certain move when one of them is a five
foot tall little chick and the other one is John Cena.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Well, I I wish the five foot tall chick was
in the match three instead. That would have been so
much better. And then like they keep selling the right
hand of Paul it has like a titanium steal in
it or something like that, like and then fucking boom,
John Cena kicks out. I was like, oh fuck. Then

(01:09:20):
they called it the Paul from Grace is splash from
top rope, which you know it was cool. And then
he doesn't once, he doesn't. Twice John Cena kicks out,
and then I wrote them I don't care anymore. There's
a style slash, kick out, crossbody into AA again one
kick out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
There is an important thing about this match that I
feel like should be pointed out that if this wasn't
John Cena and Logan Paul, but an old Japanese man
in Kenny Omega, Dave Melser would have loved five star.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah, fucking what's the website?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
They cage match?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Cage match like great cage.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Match would be given this seventeen thousand skys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I'm all over all the sheets that are laying
in his office everywhere, So yeah, ay stick them to this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Cutting Omega and Chaka Mark Ricky. They had an amazing match.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
What can I say?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah? But this is also where it does become a
problem because we're starting to see that type of laziness
in w w EE. Like you said, well, we're doing
the same fucking spot three matches in a row, We're
doing the same angles and three matches.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
In picking out of all the fucking finishes. I don't
care anymore. Why the fucker don't do this? They do
it at the other fucking fucking promotion, and they went
from sold out fucking twenty thousand seats to fucking arena
three twenty three, where there's like there was like eight

(01:11:02):
hundred people one thousand people every fucking month at CCW
back in fucking two thousand and six. That's where we're at. Okay,
I get it. It's such. It's it's not true that
the regular wrestling fan enjoys that shit. There's the people
who are loud online. Do the people who write down
shit on fucking cage match. Do Dave Meltzer and everybody's

(01:11:24):
like following him do, But it's it's not as much
as people think. And once in a while having a
spotfest is great. Like I said, I would have enjoyed
seeing the Street Profits against MotorCity Machine Gun doing all
that shit in one match. That would have been great
in one match, but not in everything. And honestly, like

(01:11:45):
Logan Paul, like like I said, he's a freak athlete,
but he's not. He doesn't have enough experience in wrestling.
He has, and I mean as a wrestler, but also
he hasn't been presenting presented as such a big name
yet that him kicking out of John Cena's finished twice
and of the styles Clash and then the Code Red

(01:12:08):
and ever, it's like, no, it's it's too fucking much.
I was like, if it happens once in a while,
and especially the end of a feud, let's say, oh,
let's say set Rollins in and see Himpunk fight that. Yeah,
I mean no, no, but that let's just give an
example that few's been going forever. If they kick out

(01:12:29):
of each other's finish at that fucking last match, it
makes sense. I get it. It's exciting, but if it
happens in every fucking match and every fucking thing you watch,
it doesn't mean shit anymore. And it's like I don't care.
I just don't fucking care. That match was thirty minutes,

(01:12:51):
and honestly, if it would have cut like the last
five six minutes, it's a great match, like it's but
the rest, it's like it was slow and they kept
selling and like I said, like I feel it was
called on the fly, and it felt like almost like
the referee was like keep doing time, doing more more.

(01:13:12):
That's how it's felt to me. And I was like, oh,
this is not over yet. I was like fuck. And
I mean, the end was cool with Sina celebrating with
his wife, and you know, of course there was jelly
Roll and alone, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Can we also point this out the post Malone Jelly
Roll thing, which, by the way, I fucking died laughing
that they put those two together. And it's because, first
and foremost they cracked me up and individually, like I
don't know jelly Roll's music from a hole in the wall,
post Malone is massively successful and he seems like a

(01:13:46):
very nice, sweet kid, but it makes me laugh where
I'm like, oh, look, I'm like, those are the two
guys who've made rap music and the successful like that,
the success overwhelmed them and they were like, oh wow,
this is great. Why I just make dippy, shitty country
songs now and talk about dirt roads and they were like, yeah,
all right, we'll just do that. I'm like they had

(01:14:06):
them next to each other, like it was nice of
them to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
They say they made rock music, did they? Oh yeah, okay,
so you'll never like Public Enemy never existed or oh no, no, no,
not believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
They're not claiming they created it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
That's what I like under sort of like excuse me, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Just what they're what we call an English culture vultures.
That's the term. That's what we called them in America.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Well I'm not and I'm Canadians, so I well, I
don't know what the national birds are in Canada, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
They were in Quebec.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
It's the snow owl, the snow owl.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So it would be like this the thieving snow owl.
That's the felching snow owl. That's that's what. But no, dude,
there's this was like you said it was too fucking long.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Oh I needed a coffee ye after that? Oh my god,
Like I was like, I need I need a call,
I need something. Maybe I had a coffee, but probably
I needed drugs because fuck, I was like and the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Spot match thing too. And I think that this is
an important thing to explain to people that are die
hard wrestling fans that watch it constantly, five times a week,
fifty times a fucking month, they can't get enough of wrestling.
But for the average person that's watching this, and I
know they don't care about those fans, but we should
because they're the ones probably buying the thousand dollars seats

(01:15:42):
a little bit too. Not just you, It's not just you. Uh,
there's people that are just regular people are watching it.
But wrestling itself is a magic trick that's built off
of the novelty of not seeing it all the time
and not constant seeing the same thing over and over
again to an average person. An average person sees a

(01:16:06):
stone cold stunner and things WHOA, you kill them. They
don't think there needs to be ten of them thea
oh Randy Orton finished, They don't think there needs to
be fifty fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
L I strongly believe it. Protect your finish, like once
in a while, kick out the end of a few,
you guys been beating the shit out of each other.
You won with your finish, he won with its finish,
and then you know, few keeps going and then both
kick out. Because you had it so many times, you're
kind of used to it now, so okay, everything makes sense.

(01:16:42):
It's part of the story. But now, yeah, it happened
so often that yeah, Like like I said, like it's
it's the point where I said, like I don't care,
I don't care anymore about it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
That you're not invested. You zone out in the same.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Oh I did zone out because it started so good,
like I said, like the start like slow start with
the fucking test the strength and Logan being the cocky
heel working slow, seeing it working like to get sympathy
from the people, and then it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Went I was like, do you know what if when
people do it, we'll go onto the last match. But
it's like, I think this is an important thing to
kind of explain to people. When you keep something going
for so long and the finish doesn't come. It's similar
to like a romantic comedy or a TV show where
it's built off of the idea of the will they

(01:17:30):
won't they relationship, you know, where it's the guy and
the girl. Are they ever gonna get together?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Oh? Do you mean like, are they down?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh? My god, I know. Are they ever gonna just
make out? Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Are?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
They? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
It's like Grayson Waller and fucking unemployment. Is he ever
gonna just get off the fucking TV show? But they're
like there there is something like okay, oh, are these
two ever gonna get together? Are they ever gonna find
They're gonna just you know, get over there whatever it
is that's other, and they're gonna find out how much
they love each other. If you make a romantic comedy,
it's ninety minutes and at minute sixty five, people are like,

(01:18:13):
oh shit, I've been waiting for them to fucking get together.
This is great, right, But if you made a Lord
of the Ring style romantic comedy, and it's like, Jesus Christ,
we're two hours and forty five minutes into this movie
and they're they haven't even fucking kissed. What am I
doing here? You're like, no, just hang with it, man,

(01:18:34):
They're gonna give you another false relationship A false kiss
is coming up a false hug. Maybe they're gonna have
a false high five. Like it's like, fucking do it already, something,
make this move forward? Yeah, fucker gotcha gather God damn it.
He's gonna peal. Yeah, I know right. As opposed to Fencer,

(01:18:58):
he's like shot her had Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Vince McMahon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, which, by the way, he had an eightieth birthday
over the weekend, and some people attended that none of
them are on the f scene list. I'm sure, uh
well he looks rough. Oh, I'm sure he's long. He'll
have many good day ahead of him. It's much such
a great man, right yeah, oh man, I'm so sad.

(01:19:24):
Oh damn, I'm really you know, best wishes, thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Wal Triple H is probably happy because they beat Taylor
Swift's record in friends. So that's what they announced. In France.
Well said that the France is the best round in
the world, which you know, I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Well, I wouldn't know that because I just they do
like a wave in there, and they did that a
lot during the main event. Whiche. Well, we'll get to
what's with the waving arms in the air thing. What's that?
What do they do with a they are they just
going when they like the like the French cheer, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're putting arms in the air.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Is it a lot of things comes from soccer? Okay, yeah,
it's a lot of soccer chants that they kind of
mix into wrestling chants.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
So what are they are they saying?

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Like they're like Americans fat, They're fucking so no, no, no,
it's I wasn't sure because yeah, they started saying that
yay thing, and I was like, I heard that at soccer,
but I don't know what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I couldn't hear it because like, uh and at one point,
I mean Michael Cole and uh we bet we're still
trying to save the third mask froll so oh lord, but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah we'll get to so this main event, which I
really there's nothing. There's nothing I can say about this
other than nobody is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
You do want me to kind of promo just like
a baby face because I'm a Bason.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Harry right before he comes out, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Wearing blue light let blue in France because I'm a
baby face.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Oh sorry, I mean my song.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I couldn't believe that I asked you that. I go,
wait a second, He's coming out in this all this
blue shit. I'm like, that's like a French And by
the way, I'm such an old fucking dork. I'm sitting
there thinking to like the rouge os and ship and
like the old French wrestlers for back in the day, right, Yeah,
of course, I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah, the blue

(01:21:22):
I'm like, wait, that's a French thing. Jyl Yeah, I'm
like why yeah, I'm like, why the fuck Zachary Blue?
I'm like, why is he coming out? Like? It is
infuriating to watch this heel champion constantly smooths the fucking

(01:21:43):
crowd's ass.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
You know, I'm always two steps ahead. I am the
chosen one. I have chosen division. They never I never
needed anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I love the idea for You're like, I'm two steps ahead,
and by that I mean I'm already back to being
a babyface again. Apparently as a heel it's it's really
fucking rough. Anything involving this dude is rough, and it
makes it even harder when you got jay Uzo coming
out and doing his thing. Jay US's work looks like shit,

(01:22:17):
he's over, but he gets exposed constantly as being a
dumb babyface and makes dumb choices constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
I don't want to cut you off with speaking of jem,
why was he wearing sweat shorts? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Thank you? I was gonna get to that. I'm going,
I'm going why is he? I'm like, why is he
wearing American Eagle active wear from the twenty and tens, Like,
oh my god, I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Just watched the documentary about this guy, like fucking is
Oois and stuff like ooh child.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I was like, why is this guy wearing the same
gym shorts? I would have Warren like twenty twelve? What
is this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Are we at this point where they're just like everybody
wear Nikes and Jay you can come out wearing wearing
fucking Jim shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I'm like, if you're doing an intervention on raw, that's
that's fine. If you're saving somebody, that's fine, it's normal.
It actually makes sense that you're not wearing gear. But
this is a fucking p L. You're supposed to be
wearing your best fucking gear, And I'm sorry, gear matters.
It's it's the first thing you see once the guy

(01:23:20):
or girl comes out. It needs to be outstanding. And
then I I mean, yeah, he's popular, people love him, like,
people like are close to him stuff, which is all
cool for a babyface. But it's like sweats.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I was like, fuckw he's wearing straight up sweats shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
And it's not even like like pumas are added as
like fucking uh strike nice fucking like sweats. It's like
gray sweats. That's fucking wear when you clean up your house.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Well, it was it was shorts. It was specific his own, which,
by the way, I'm laughing. I'm thinking to myself, I'm going,
are we at the point where this guy's selling his
own yeat sweat pants?

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Oh? Shit is?

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
And by the way, and I don't know if you
know this meme, and uh, most people probably shouldn't because
it's fucking but the gray sweatpant meme where that's the
thing where it's like dudes wear the gray sweatpants so
checks can see the outline of their dogs. I don't
know if you've heard of that before. Yeah, that's like
the meme of it. And I'm like, wait, is that

(01:24:31):
what twice you were so wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
That is frey? Well, I feel he was wearing tights
underneath because I can't see a dong like and not
that I look at, you know, the males Genitalia when
I'm watching Brustling. But once in a while it's there
and you're like, fuck, I can't unsee it. And oh,
well that was what happened too long ago. It's liken't
remember who was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Well the White said it to me too. She goes,
punk always comes out with the shirt and she's like,
it's just always have to exact link that. She's just
looking at the fucking looking at his fucking meat It
leads to the pian Oh yes, and she's hearing me
from the other room. Yeah, he's just his fucking meat balls.
Might yo. I'm like, dude, get that, what are you

(01:25:15):
doing there? But then again he's punking you give a fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
But I think it's Goldberg. When you rustled like his
fucking dog was. I was like, I was like, is
he having a heart on? I was like, what the fucks?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I don't want to I don't want to look there,
but it's all I see as like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
I think Goldberg used to do that. I think Goldberg
used to make sure that he would probably get he
would get erections during his matches because that was probably
the first time he felt feelings. Fucking guy sucks. Uh god,
he blows. But no, it's very like you said, he's
out there and he's fucking trashy cutoff sweatpants which are

(01:25:51):
apparently going to be his merch. I'm assuming, and no
one believes that anybody's winning this match other than seth Rawlins,
which that's a complete if you have a match that
is supposed to be on a big show and no
one believes at all that the that the champion or
the main heel is remotely and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Fucking baby baby faces are fucking over. Probably you're you're
the three baby face that's sull most merch right outside
of Roman reigns. I mean it's probably that with Cody.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Rhoades, yes, oh yeah, oh yeah. But there's also this
problem too where the three guys that you're right, he's
the merch mover guys. But you know, truthfully, there's a
better chance of me joining the fucking NBA than Ella
Knight winning the title. Like nobody believes Elle Knight's winning
fucking anything. So when he when he's in these matches,

(01:26:46):
everyone's like, yeah, he's just there to fucking lose. No
one believes it, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Kind of sucks because honestly, when he did his comeback
and this match and he was the one in charge,
fuck it, that's where things started to pick up and
it got a little bit exciting, only for him to
get fucking stump outside and that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, they know it's do they know he's not winning shit,
And obviously like j they're like, yeah, Jay's not winning shit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
You know, the injury ain't goal with him. At least
I'll give him that. He sold the fuck out of
his ribs the whole fucking match, which I think is
super important because you know, so many people just they
have an injury, but then they go and they've come
kind of forget.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
But that's always But that's Jay's m O at this
point too, where like every six weeks he's like, oh man, gee,
I'm hurt and I don't know what to do. B
Like that's his whole thing. It's like he's constantly in
this state of making stupid fucking choices and then screwing
himself out of matches and wins and shit. And then
he's like, yeah, dog, I don't know what to do

(01:27:47):
I'm so confused, B and it's like that's constantly jay Uso,
and then I'm helping him, and then I'm watching Punk
in these matches and this never ending feud would say
Rollins with his girl back tattoo, that, like Seth is
fucking insufferable, absolutely fucking insufferable. And I'm thinking to myself,

(01:28:11):
if we're lucky, if we're lucky, we have two to
three more years left with cmpunk, and we are wasting
our time giving it to this twenty tens roh fucking
wash out. This never really was this constantly pushed, really
fucking boring, annoying seth rawlins act that never seems to evolve,

(01:28:36):
never gets any better. And now spoiler alert to those
that have obviously already watched this thing, Now we sprinkle
in the wife, who's not even fucking over at this point,
so that way we can continue to have CM Punk
now have these fucking matches. It's unprocious.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Remember when Punk was fighting uh, what's his fucking name? Sorry,
cheers up, make it higher. Yeah it was Drew McIntire.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Oh my god, Yeah you mean you mean when we
had see him Punk wrestling people that he hasn't wrestled
one hundred times that he could give a little bit
of something too, that he maybe he could get a
you know, hey, let's get a couple of good matches
out of them, teach them a little something something. No,
we're continuing to do the same ship with Seth. And

(01:29:27):
by the way, I'm sure there are people that they're going, well,
Becky's now joining this feud, so let's all jump up
and down because hint, hint, here it comes. We're finally
gonna get a j I don't think we're ever going
to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
If I'm her, I'm staying home. Yeah, I don't think
does she really want to get into this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
I mean I don't think she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Maybe they'll talker and doing a spots, but I'm pretty
sure she's looking at this and saying, oh fuck, well,
especially she watched the match number three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Yeah, no ship, right, She's like, yeah, let me rush
back to the ring to have garbage matches with this broomstick. Uh,
it's fucking eighties to me. Like, we're just still doing
the thing, and you know what, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
I'll eat my words. Maybe they'll finally do this big
blowoff with sas and punk. It will happen at WrestleMania,

(01:30:21):
and aj Lee will come out and fucking I don't know, finally,
you know, pull Becky Lynch off the apron and fight
her to the outside, and we'll finally get this return
and six months down the line and I'll look like
a complete asshole and a negative prick. Well, and I
hope that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I I could see that Joe, just for WrestleMania. She
comes in, gets Becky out, seampunk, gets the finish one, two, three,
she celebrates for her husband, and then she's gone for
a one spot like this. I say it's possible, but
for her, they'll come back and wrestle and be there
every single Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Yeah, no, I don't think she's in interested in it
and for her yeah right, well yeah, I know right that.
And that's the funny thing is both you and I
know what it means when we say good for her,
not because we don't want to see her, not because
we don't think she's really talented and would like to
see her care about wrestling and want to have mattress

(01:31:18):
again and contribute, But it's because we both know that
if she doesn't want to do it and isn't interested
in it that way. Don't don't do it because it's
there's there's no point she She had a good career,
her husband's a multi millionaire. She doesn't have to go
do this shit if she doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
No, she's doing good stuff as a writer. Also, I
heard she's writing comics, books and stuff. I was like,
good girl, good fine. I mean she she has her
own thing. She like it happens that she married Sam Punk,
but she has her own life, she has her own thing. Now,
I was like, ugh, but before we get going with
this match more. I mean, here's the thing where I

(01:31:59):
don't know if I'm right. I don't know if I
fucked up somewhere. But as soon as I heard Jay
Husso's song, I rode down four fifty eight pm. And
then I'm like, I waited until everybody got in the ring.
And then when Seth Rollin's song cut and there was

(01:32:21):
no more music, I rode down five twenty two pm.
How long is that? Twenty more minutes of entrance? I
repeat twenty four and what's happening? Seth is acknowledging the crowds,

(01:32:42):
singing as a heel, What the fuck has it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Well, he's got a guy. He's got to get his adoration.
I mean, come on, he's gotta he's gotta still get
love from the crowd. And like we said earlier, he's
got to wear the colors for the country that he's in.
And he's got eighties terrible, terrible heel work and honest
to God, And please feel free to tell me I'm

(01:33:09):
completely fucking wrong in this too. I have no qualms
with being corrected by a fucking worker about this. I
still don't see what the big appeal is of this
guy's entering work too. I don't. I don't see him
as leaps and bounds above all of these people that
have come and gone or could have would have, should

(01:33:32):
have gotten pushed. I really don't get it. He is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
He's not a bad worker. Actually, as the match progressed
and he was like he wasn't the right spot the
right time in this match for his cues for you know,
cut like some some penfalls and stuff like. I think
he's a good worker, but the character, the persona, the
whatever he's projecting is so fucking like I can't even

(01:34:03):
find the word honestly, Like it's unenjoyable. Yeah, it's like
everything else makes me want to vomit that It's to
the point where even if he does good stuff, I'm like,
get the fuck out on my television. I was like,
it's it's cringe. It makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
What was the thing when he had him in the
when he had him in the corner and he's like,
get off my Joe, I don't ever want show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Okay, okay, let's let's start with the beginning of the match,
because yeah, we're gonna get there, because that fucking thing
you're doing is driving nuts. I mean, first of all,
I will say, good thing. They kept going to the
Punk La Night kind of little storyline they have on SmackDown,
like they don't get along. They work that right from
the start. So I was like, okay, this is you know,

(01:34:54):
that's cool, and I ivy you know Night gave punk
a hip tos. I was like, fuck that, hiptop. I
haven't seen that in a while. And I was like, okay,
but there's a reason why I hate fucking four ways
and and even three ways. Guy roll outside or get
hits by one single fucking thing sells forever. And then

(01:35:17):
you know, sets outside he's waiting and Punk was hitting
the faces but not Rollin's at the beginning. So I
was like, I get like l A Knight because they
have a thing going on, you know, every week on TV.
But then he hits j.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
And I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
They did it later in the match where they all
like got together and attack set. But I was like,
that should be the first fucking thing. There's one heel
ish ish ish I gets three baby faces.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
So it's like, how do you how do you not
make these three baby faces look fucking foolish when the
odds are evened by a hundred pound girl. I mean,
I'm sorry, let's let's call it what it is. Like,
this is you got Ellie Knight. Who's this big, fucking
yoked up meat sick guy, right yeah, jay usso who

(01:36:11):
you know, Sure he's in his sweatpants, but we're supposed
to believe he's tough and UFC him. Punk who is
the guy most.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
The veteran Like yeah at the time, like champion And
here's the thing, here's where I fucking lost it, but
lost it at my fucking TV, Like if I had pretzels.
They were going in the TV like fucking ding the Simpsons,
I was like, Set goes in the corner, gives like
the punk's knees and does the GTS sign. I'm like,

(01:36:40):
again doing other people's fucking move formattles in a row?
What the fuck? Who's they did that shit?

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
And it's and that also I also hate when that
happens because you're using it both ways in this situation
where it's like Nikki's trying to show the heel that
she can do her moves, and then the other three
matches it's the heel. Is he really a he What

(01:37:09):
is he? No? I don't even think. No, he doesn't know.
And this is like the most frustrating thing overall about
the guy where it's like, man, when I watch some
dumb fucking Shindy aw performance if you want to even
call it a wrestling show at this point, and it's
like a Hangman at him Page and Swerve Strickland and

(01:37:32):
these guys just like stab each other with sticks and
they don't know who's the fucking heel and who's the face.
And it's the same redundant bullshit for fucking three years,
and people pretend like it's brilliant. I go, okay, well,
you know, this is this is Marx, this is for Marx,
by Marx, neat whatever. But when I'm watching WWE and

(01:37:54):
it's supposed to be the top of their card and
a multiple time champion, and we're supposed to believe Seth
is this fucking amazing legend fucking blah blah blah blah blah,
and I'm going, this guy's no better than some dickhead
who's been on the indies for a half dozen years,
Like he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
There's people in the n d's who are fucking great
and don't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Hat a way better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
And once again after this thing, like while Set is
doing punk stuff, like punk's in the crowd, fucking selling forever,
and he just went over to guard rail like this
is long. Uh, the baby face looks stupid. That's It's
constant because when they got in the ring, all four
of them, again, Set is there, and then you see
him turn his back on Ala Night and then he

(01:38:38):
turns his back on Point and I'm like, wow, you
guys all look fucking stupid. And then they finally get
together attack Set do stuff in the corner, you know,
and Ala Knight and you see the punks like, hey,
get the table like the Dudleys, but then they go
outside and Punk hits.

Speaker 7 (01:38:57):
The face before there's the fucking off of get the tables.
I was like, why did you fucking do all this
for the face to hit the other face? Don't you
hate Seth Rollins so much you want him to go
through the table. Why the fuck are you doing this?
It made no sense, and I was like, like, Punk.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Is usually like super ridiculous, so yeah, meticulous about those details.
And I was like, I don't know how he accepted
to do this. It makes no sense. It's it's not
seeing Punk like it made I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
And it's like, uh, he must want to get away.
I don't. I'm not buying this idea at this point
where they're saying like, oh see, a poker is like
a politick er and he can control all these others
because at this point, if I was him, he's been.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
But I think right now he's he's thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
I think he just doesn't give it, because what wouldn't
he want to get away from this fucking Seth thing.
There's I think he has a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
The The bigger picture is I think he wants to
train at the Performance Center. Eventually when he's not wrestling,
so he has a good job. So to me, he's
like kind of being a good soldier and does whatever
to eventually get there because he loves teaching. So that's
why I'm like, he's you know, he's he's in man,

(01:40:26):
not kissing, but doing as he's like, even if it
makes no fucking sense. I think he's like swallowing his
own pride a little bit just to get to wherever,
like the final destination of where he wants to be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
That's the way I was playing. He's playing nice with
the teacher's pet. That's what he like. Sad is the
teacher's pat and we know that. Yeah, so he's showing that, like,
oh look, I can have a never ending feud with
him where we have these back and forth exchanges and
you know, it goes seemingly nowhere and tritty at some point.

(01:41:03):
I've always thought about this. With certain wrestling feuds, we
reached this point where we do so many stipulations, so
many matches, and so many titles back and forth involving
so many people and all this other shit. I think
to myself, the average person at some point would go,
why am I doing this? I think eventually, like you

(01:41:25):
would hit this wall where someone would just looking go
I don't know, like you would just go I think
I need to go to another show. Like I think
he would be like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Here's here's the thing. Eh and again sounding like old school,
but I mean, how long did it take before to
get to like a cage match. You would have a
match and maybe Babyface would win. He'll would you know,
be pissed attack him right away, and then they would

(01:41:55):
attack each other in different matches, and then they would
finally fight would win by cheating, and then other match
maybe he'll would heat you know, win by whatever, and
then it would go on and then there would be
a rubber match, and then it would keep going. And
then we were you know, slowly starting about thinking about stipulations.

(01:42:18):
Now it's like I attack you, fuck you fuck this
Oh fucking no rules man. I was like, whoa so
many steps like it's like it's just skipped it. It's
so quick it makes more sense. It makes no sense.
It's like how can you hate somebody if fuck you

(01:42:39):
were talking about swurf and and there's other there's other
like probably storylines that aw I could use for this,
but of course, I mean, his house got burned by
fucking cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
But I mean, to what point you hate someone so
fucking much that you want to stick fucking needles in
his in his mouth before you know, getting into I
don't know, a strap match or using chairs or a
fucking cage match. I don't know, like needles fucking right

(01:43:17):
away or fucking back with fucking nails in it and
a ban of nail fucking catch on boxing. I was like,
it's like there's yeah, there's so many steps that they're
skipped together, and then they.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
And then what's infuriating is they just that's not even
the end of it. There's more and then they go
and then this is what fucking drives me crazy is
They'll have matches like that and then next month I'd
be like, wow, what we just have a regular one
on one. I'm like, you just stabbed him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yeah, and they said his fucking lock up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
You said his right, you said his house on fire.
Like this is where we are, like, this is where
the absurdity comes in, where it's like escalation and then
you know, you hit this peak the crazy thing that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Happens house fire police right to go back to what
you were saying, it's like to the point where you're like,
you're not pissing off a guy and you're not hurting
his pride. You're like, this is fucking assault. Now, It's
like it's another level. It's like ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
I love the idea, Like I'm just waiting for some
wrestling aw style company feud where they're like, and then
I went to your house and I killed your wife
and I put her in a rubber ma container and
threw her in the ocean. I hate your baby.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
And then the guy comes out and he's like, you
threw my You killed my wife through her in the
ocean and a rubber ma container.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
In three weeks, I'll you at fucking back or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
You better show up in three weeks to Indiana, because boy,
you're in deep trouble. In three weeks, I'm like, what
the fuck is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Wrong with these We're laughing, but I really want to cry.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
I know, but that's what it's. It's what it's become.
I look at this and I'm going, Okay, so now,
what's the only natural evolution at this point? Is now
what punk goes and gets a girl to fight Becky
Lynch unless we know for a fact that it's gonna
be a j what's the point, There's no point, it's

(01:45:34):
just this name.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
We want to do things together because you're the weren't
the top couple of brass legs. I'm a visionary and
she's a man.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
And by the way, do you know how fun how
funny it is that those two like they're they're kissing
to end the pay per view to Dead Silence the
Dead's Islands. The crowd doesn't fucking care it all, and
they're like, ha ha, we fooled you and now we're

(01:46:08):
making smoo chiese and people like.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
So, you know, they went and fight and the crowd again,
like fucking four matches, Like scene of them go in
the crowd though it was just like really long. But
I mean there was three matches, a fucking crowdfighter, work
outside or whatever. Whatever. Uh, you know, Pedigree Punk kicks out,
uh and then you that's exactly what you said. I mean,

(01:46:32):
the crowd could like kind of it's like up again,
like a part of their soul left their body. It's
like it became sort of quiet. And then that's where
WW cranked up the fucking microphones and you could hear.
That's when it sounds when you're like a god. And

(01:46:54):
then set it's in the corner, it's like I hate you,
these is my and then it's like crowd is silent
and it's they the fucking microphone is at fucking ten
right now, so we can hear everything he's fucking doing.
And that's where actually Ala Knight comes in does a

(01:47:14):
great fucking comeback. There's a tower in the corner with
fucking three people where I really like where Punk goes,
tries to pin one, kick out, tries to pin the
other person fine, and then they're on the apron Punk
and sets for what seems forever for a fucking h
table spot where it La Knight bumps Punk, which again

(01:47:37):
makes sense with everything's going on on SmackDown, but fucking
the table half break, fucking slim gym, motherfucker table not murking,
and you know, and there's the bf T on J
and so you know, uh, the BFT sorry, and then
Ja breaks it. There's a good like that was like
a yee Yang spot, but they were not fucking registering

(01:47:58):
or selling. It was just like paunch bunch bunched like
a video game. And I really like the Ala La
Knight fucking did like a some sort of baby oat
ball slide a Jay, and you fucking kicked him in
that face so fucking hard. And here's where I will
give props this set. When they La Knight grabbed his

(01:48:20):
head and fucking like like send it to the table.
He didn't put his end and it looked fucking nasty.
It looked great. I'm like, this is how you take
a fucking flat table. Thank you, sir, I was like,
And that's where I was like, you know what, this
is a part where set he's committed, he wants things
to look good. I mean, he's doing great stuff, but

(01:48:42):
everything else is so fucking heavy that you don't see
these little things anymore. But since we've seen it in
the match stream and it was so fucking awful, this
seemed like a miracle watching it, so you know, I'll
give him, like, I'll give him a props here because
it was great. La Knight crash to the table look
great too, And I like that that he didn't look

(01:49:03):
stupid like waiting there forever like Jay actually tried you know,
to get him, and it got him and distracted, so
set move so that made sense and then the spear
into the pedigree. That looked good too. That was a
nice way to counter it. See another thing like Set
when he's he's doing great stuff. You know the phoenix splash,

(01:49:27):
but here's the thing. Phoenix splash rolls into it, superkick,
super kicks, spear splash, no reaction, nothing, nothing dead cimpung
broke the count. At least there was no fucking kickout
from this, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Then GTF you know, rolls out with the fucking chair,
then rolling stump kick out again. Set. You know, like
I said, Set, good wrestler, but everything else is so
heavy and and like everything else wants me to vomit.
And then he stumps Jay and La outside, which is

(01:50:07):
a good way, like finish to the outside for the
opponent to sell forever fucking makes sense finally, not just
for fucking punch. And they're there for three fucking minutes.
But then, you know the way the way this was shot,
Punk like give them the gts and then Set flops
like a fish and then kind of goes goes in

(01:50:27):
the rope comes back for a second one and then
the camera's so close to Punk's face. I'm like, okay,
somebody and then when I saw the frail, like the
tiny fucking I was like, this is Becky and yeah,
low blow a stump on the chair at least chair,

(01:50:48):
let look good. One, two, three. The match was twenty
five minutes and the entrance was as well, twenty five minutes,
so that's fifty minutes. The entrance was as long as
the fucking match, no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Joke, and they act and it does kill me because
they act like the people aren't sitting there watching.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
That whole thing, and it's silent. The cross is silent,
and I that's where I notice the fucking set song,
the fucking whoa. It's piped in yeah at this point
and there was like whoa, right, And I was like, oh, well, you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Know more about French culture than me, are you guys
typically ventriloquists, because I didn't see a single mouth moving.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
We're not in Quebec, but apparently they are in front.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Yeah, because it was interesting because I heard these these
singing but I saw no mouths moving in the first
like ten rows. It was the weirdest.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
And I saw a few people with their harms crossed,
so it's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Because this this also, I think is a problem as
far as the way that they set up these shows
and these cards and ship would it have killed them
to have had Sena and Logan Paul closed the show
so the people go home happy? Is it that hard
in that situation? Roman Rain starts the show, which, by

(01:52:13):
the way, this is how you bookend this show, right.
The beginning of it is Roman Reign's getting fucking clabbered,
and the end of the show it seth for Allan's
fucking over the three times.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Fucking everybody in the crowd that paid one thousand dollars
no lube, right in the ass, Like at least start
with Roman. First of all, it was a great match
with bro Bronzes looked great, Like the whole match was good. Okay,
the whatever followed after was a little long, but I
mean it was interesting as well, with you know, the
bron breakers spears and stuff. It was moving and if

(01:52:48):
you only have one one like segment like this, it's fine,
and you know it's match one. From match one to
the end, like people will kind of forget because it's
been so long. And then Sina was so over and
I was like this the Sina match was long as fucks,
so people were kind of dead I was dying, but

(01:53:10):
not for the same reason I was in Mass three.
But it was just like movekickout, movekickout, move gickout. But
you know, if it hands the match the night, this way,
it's not as bad as having it before the fucking
main event, where there's a heel that plays like a
face and nobody gives a fuck and we're like, uh,
it's like yeah, and when Sina got out, people were

(01:53:32):
so fucking happy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
And stuff is like, just have seen a close your show.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
And you went for thirty minutes. It was main event quality,
main event time, okay, and it's fun. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
It's if you look at the card though, like just quickly,
just when you just breeze it over and look at
it quick. This is what they gave the people, all right.
They gave them a tag match with two teams that
nobody really gives a fuck about. He gave them a
dogshit women's match that ended in a finish with Becky
Lynch going over Nicky, who was supposedly the heel, who's
also not a heel. She's also a face, which Becky

(01:54:05):
Lynch is also a face, but a heel because fuck us. Right,
then you had Roman Reigns and Bronson Reed where you
put Roman Reins over but then had to beat the
dog shit out of him for fifteen minutes afterwards for reasons.
Then you had Seamus and russa heel fucking goes over Whens,
you know, with a stick in his fucking mouth after
they beat the shit out of each other. You have

(01:54:25):
seen a Logan Paul, which is your only clean match,
where a babyface goes over clear as day. And then
you have the four way clusterfuck match where you had
one hundred pound broomstick girl get in the ring and
hit see him punk in the dick. Why do you
think to yourself in that moment? Once again, Booke ending
the show with heel or Babyface getting humiliated basically beat

(01:54:51):
the fuck out of him by a heel group, and
then and the night again with the same heel group
getting over. Oh I know why, because trip h is
using this bullshit as a proxy for what he wishes
he could still do if his heart wasn't gonna blow
out of his fucking chest. This is a problem. This
is a problem. This is going to make the shows

(01:55:11):
look bad. And if you're gonna do this shit internationally,
people are not. The people of France are not seeing
wrestling shows every other week like you and I are.
They're just not so when you're saying to them, hey,
you guys got it. You gotta go to the WWE show.
And it starts with the fuck and it ends with
the fuck. What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Yeah, you gotta make the people happy somewhere in there.
And I mean the the booking of the card I
believe was wrong. It's yeah, I would have had seen
a last It's okay to have Romans verse because of
the you know, the segment, and I mean, you gotta
start your show strong. You got like Romans entrance is long,

(01:55:56):
but if it's the first thing the crowd like they
want to see wrestling during to it, they won't care
as much that it's a little long. They're like fucking
super excited and he's so fucking over they don't give
a ship really, But if you have those long fucking
entrances in the middle of the show, that's where you're
starting to lose your crowd. Like things have to be
like moving and the the tag team, it's it was

(01:56:19):
a smack down match, the women's match. It should have
been anybody else honestly, like I said, like Stefanie vickare
Julia or fucking rock sand Perez or I don't know,
fuck have have the women's Tag Team Championship? Fucking be
the fans like fucking at least Charlotte. Charlotte is good,

(01:56:42):
Alexa has a fucking great pop and whatever it would
have been, like better imagine this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Imagine this for Core was supposed to be on that show.
She was supposed to Who is she supposed to wrestle Naomi?

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Right, Naomi?

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Yeah? Imagine if you think you're getting Naomi in the
Core and instead all you get is Becky Lynch and
Nikki Bella. And I'm not sitting here saying.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
And it's the only woman's match athlete. If there would
have been two there, there would have been some hope.
But somebody who doesn't wash wrestling and sees that believes
that women's wrestling fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
That was like, it's confusing to with the coor not
being on this show. After they said they were gonna
put her, I'm thinking of myself and going they got, yeah,
you act like you got no other women that can
work that you can have her have a match with.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Why why wouldn't you have a thing going on with
the kabuki rowyors? Now, why don't you do a fucking
three on three with I don't know, like the the
three Japanese girl on one side and three heels on
the other side, and that's where the fucking band like
splits and their shiit act. Least it would have been
a good match. I don't though, were you on the
other side or there's right now, It's like I can't

(01:58:05):
even think, like who would but probably everybody, like so
many people could have been there and would have had
a great match. And it's like, man, man, man, man,
why well why politics like this? I was like, is
this really like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
When they're already and so many of these people are
already there too. That's what confuses me sometimes where I
look at it and I go, well, they put these
people definitely are overseas pretty damn sure, Like Dom's there
some of these people that are actually bigger stars that
are gonna have good man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Mister Iguana would have been better, God damn it. I
was like, fuck, yeah, no, Dom, No nobody from the
judgment day at all.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Oh yeah wow, none of them non right, none of them.
None Jesus, you don't have Yeah, there was nobody, but
I don't know, man, And this show was way too long.
I have a feeling that we got to the point
now we're both you and I like we're gonna more
than likely pick the same best and worst match. I mean,
we know what the best match was, which.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Was Rus seven Seamus, and the worst match of fucking
history is fucking right. It's like, it's so I mean, no,
I let's I honestly, I've seen worse in my life,
but for a pl where it's the again, the only

(01:59:33):
women's match when there's so much talent in the roster,
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Right, It's like did Seth rowlans and our Seth rowns?
Oh my god, It's just I can't help myself. Uh,
when Live Morgan and Naomi can't be on the show
and you're going like, oh, I guess we got nobody else?
What Really, there's there's so many women that could.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Be Stephanie Vicker. Thing really bothers me and I know
how they fucking works, and it's it's gonna sound probably
you're gonna a lot of people are gonna think like, oh, well, no,
that's impossible. Whatever but knowing a few people there and
knowing fuck things. Fuck I've experienced myself. Stephanie Vicker got

(02:00:20):
over so fucking quickly. The fucking sharks are off to
get her.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Yeah yeah, trust me, Like I'm sure a certain ginger
shark that was on this show probably doesn't like it
very much either.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
It's like, she's beautiful, she's talented, she's she's fucking better
than a lot of guys there and.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Her star like, oh, it's it's it's confusing. It's honestly confusing.
Where I look at it, no knowing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
How it is, I wouldn't be surprised. It's fucking politics
where yeah she she uh, she became popular way too much.
Gotta stop this fucking thing, and.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
We gotta slow it down. We're pushing Lyra Valkyria. Still.
By the way, is that done? Do you think that's done?
I feel like I or are we waiting for Bailey? Oh?
By the way, Bailey's Oh, by the way, Bailey hears
voices in her head. She didn't show up to the
hid her voices in my head.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
The other is calling me spend in the balloons.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
Don't you like where they're like? Bailly's said stop. No,
I don't matter here, like a good fucking, good, fucking god.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
But no, would you see a guy have a gimmick
like this, of course, no, no, no, no, Why the
fuck are they doing this when the Bailey's a good worker?
Why the fuck it's been a while that I feel
that she doesn't want to be there, like she just
wants to be with money. But I don't know, just
let her go.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
And people got pissed when I said that. I'm like,
just let her go.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
No, so times, let let them go so they can
be on their own and do what because.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Let her learn, Let her go there and learn how
fucking shitty it is. And I said that people, well
do they know what to do with her too? I
mean it goes, No, it goes for them too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
I was like, it's it's not just her, it's there's
somebody somewhere is like.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
Bailey at this point. Bailey at this point. And I
use I've used a lot of dating analogies tonight, but
we've had a lot of women issues. Bailey is that
person that has a type, and she keeps dating the
type and it keeps going incredibly fucking wrong for her.
And instead of Bill A maybe my type is toxic.

(02:02:46):
I need to move away from it. She continues to
have done it. It's the same way where if somebody
was lactose and tolerant and they kept eating the fucking
cottage cheese and getting diary up.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
Yeah, he keeps fucking and I scream and he's like, oh,
I love to live the interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
But but but you know what if he but he's
acknowledging and accepting the fact that it's making him ship.
He's not sitting there going I don't understand mine. And
that's the point, Like it's like why do I Why
do I keep getting what I don't understand? You know
why this keeps going poorly, Bailey? You know why this

(02:03:28):
is not working for you. You're lactose intolerant and you
keep eating the fucking cheese. So to some respect, it's like, Okay,
just go just go go, go figure it out, Go
be somewhere else. And I see what you're saying. When
you're like, they wouldn't give a guy that gimmick. They would,
but it would be played for comedy. When it's for her,
it's like, oh, she's Oh, she's really.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
A crazy ikay with comedy, Like like you need a
little bit of comedy on a wrestling show. But when
it's they try to make this seal, but it looks
like a joke. It's like in in the real war world,
there's people with that disease that they hear voices and

(02:04:11):
they're like really sick. But then when you try to
portray in a wrestling fucking TV show, it's not like
fucking like a weekly soap or fucking something you like. Uh,
I was going to say Brooklyn nine nine, but that's
more of a sitcom. But you know, the you know,

(02:04:33):
n cis whatever, Like it's it's a it's a role.
It's that works. But on a wrestling show, I think
it's like, it's not a type of character you want
to play with. It's it's not gonna come out great.
It looks phony and it looks fucking stupid, and the
wrestler doing it looks stupid.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
It's well, that's that's unfortunately the best thing that they
apparently have for somebody that's being able to do this.
But it's imperative that we get Nikki Bella on the show.
But I don't know, I don't even feel like we
should give a grade to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
You know what, why why did Bailey versus like I
guess maybe no, like would everything that happened with Bailey
getting involved in Becky's matches at least that would have
been a better match.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Well, Becky had to come out later in the night
and be the fucking he had to be a spoiler
because she's a big scary Yeah, a big dangerous scary
Becky Lynch. Oh my, what a fucking I don't know, man,
I feel like this was a subpar show with two

(02:05:48):
very very good matches that I'm sure in the crowd.
I'm sure this crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Almost three like I like the first match Bronson and
Roman was a great match to me. Oh John c Yeah,
John Cena and and Logan Paul. It was just that
the ending was so fucking long and kicking out of everything.
But you know what, switch it to the main event,
and I'm not as mad. It's the fact that it's

(02:06:14):
in the middle of fucking ugh no, you put it
at the end, and it's it flies better for me
because it it's really big. It's it's fucking like out
there with all the fucking moves and a code read
in the fucking styles class. But it's the main event,
you know, when I'm okay with that, But before the

(02:06:36):
main usually before the main you put something a little faster,
like let's say Tag Team would have been there. It's
a little dip before going home. But you put something
as strong as that with the fucking guys retiring at
the end of the year, and then.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
You put Divisionary the architects of fucking Messiah at the end,
and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
He's fucking winning when all the other top baby face.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Are like blah, and you know, and you know the
main event, like you said, the main event is going
to end with the people disappointed or upset. I don't
get it. I don't get it. And this is it
once again, these international shows. I'm I'm of the mindset

(02:07:26):
of when you're gonna go to a town or a city,
or at this point a fucking country where you're not
always there, you don't want to leave the people in
a state of where they're like, woll, I don't need
to see wrestling ever again, but you certainly don't want
them to leave being like that was way too long.
I wasted my money and now I'm pissed.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
But even you, as an American, let's say, you get
fucking you get your money out of the pockets, you
buy fucking tickets to attend live, you watch it every week,
But this is a fuck pl It's not Monday Night Raw. Okay,
it's a PL. Even if you're an American who watches
this every fucking week, are you fucking happy that you

(02:08:11):
spent all your savings for this?

Speaker 5 (02:08:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
No, I mean it's I think it's for everybody. It's
not just the international crowds, like though they're they're so
expensive right now. You you know, I remember when every
week it was you know, Star against JOBB or number
one and then on the fucking in your house or whatever,

(02:08:35):
then the stars were colliding. Then it made sense to
pay because you could not see that before. But now
because of TV, then ratings, and because there's twenty fucking
thousand wrestling shows on TV with one promotion having three
fucking shows with some on the internet and whatever, it's
like so much right now, and all the new wrestlers

(02:08:59):
coming in or trained the same way by the same people,
like product is diluted, very it's homoginized. It's no different.
It's like you you gotta find ways to explain those
prices and for international crowds, but for also the fucking
people in the US who see these shows every fucking week.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Ye free or next to free, or constantly. And it
can't be like you said, it can't be one of
the things that they've seen on television every day for
fucking ten years. It has to be a little bit
something special and or at least have people have a
good enough time live to where they leave excited to

(02:09:43):
come back, which honestly, I thought that's what house shows
were for for the longest time, But they stop doing those,
so I don't know. I don't know how they continue,
like you said, to charge people this type of money
and then have them walking out fucking you know, looking
at their shoes.

Speaker 2 (02:10:00):
They're like, well, anyways, just a little tip, you know,
for the last few shows that are left, put fucking
johnsenom in event. Yeah, just do just just fucking make
people happy, unless he's gonna job the brock leser, which
you know, I don't know what they're going to do
at all. Are they building his last match?

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
You think I would assume that they're going to have
something along those lines.

Speaker 2 (02:10:26):
Could Brock be the last match? Since you know he
he hasn't been there since the last pl No signs
of end, no mention, nothing on this one. He just
showed up, fucking gave him a five. Cowboy Brock left
to the fucking sunset in Saskatchewan.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
And I hate to be I hate to be a
negative Nancy, but I wouldn't be particularly surprised if his
last match was SETH. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't
be shocked if that was it, because once again Triple
H's fucking gunned them. He's gonna be Oh, I'm gonna
get a title match my last match, and if I
win it, then I'll get it off this fucking asshole

(02:11:07):
and it won't happen. He'll put sets over.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
It's sad because it's very possible. They kind of burned
the I don't know how they could do it again
because they kind of burned the idea when they put
Punk in the table and fucking John Cena stayed there
talking to him for twenty minutes while he was slaying
that in the fucking table. But with everything that happened

(02:11:31):
with Punk and the history and the pipe bomb, and well,
oh fuck up because of the fucking rock. But John
Cena versus Punk. That's a money match, and that would
have been great to kind of end. But yeah they.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
Yeah, they blew that. They blew that. But you know
what this is what we do know for sure is
that this was a four hour long show and you
and I did two hours socking about it, which was
which is a fucking miracle.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
So well, so I to talk about even entrances.

Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
I know, well, that's it is. Sometimes sometimes when the
ship's bad, there's way more meat on the bone. It
sounds like it's a because people go, oh, well, you know,
it's a good show. Like sometimes that happens where it's
just good and you go, well I like this, and
I like that, and this was good and it went well,
people go, that's it, that's all you have. I'm like, well, yeah,
I don't know what they do.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
There was like great stuff tonight too, Like like we said,
the first match was a great big man match, got
the crowded to it. There were fucking nuts, the ruesome
and fucking shame shape. They saved the fucking show, period
And Johnson's match was good. I mean it's it's three
on three on six, it's half so it's not bad, right,

(02:12:49):
but the thing is what was bad was really like
we say in French, pap bone katka, it's the same
fucking thing, kaka.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Ooh, I like I know French, I'm learning. Well that's
That's the funny thing, though, is that at this point
they do stuff like that and we know and maybe
the most frustrating part of it is it's all avoidable.
A Nikki Bella, a Nikki Bella match in twenty twenty

(02:13:25):
five is completely avoidable. A meaningless tag team match is
completely avoidable.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Here's the thing with you. They did not She had
nothing on TV before, like she if she would she
have been there a few weeks and you know, I
had time to get back and I'm not talking like
training and you know, whoever's fucking ring Natty nine hearts whatever, No,
I mean being on TV, work with a crowd, have

(02:13:54):
a few matches. But she's been thrown in there and
to her defense and the fucking PL championship match of
what was it sixteen minutes and it's like, why the fuck?
What would why would you do that to hurt first?
Or did she like say oh I'm okay, and as like.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
Like didn't she did you?

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
Didn't you like check before, like give her a few
matches on TV to see, because some people will stay
out of the ring and they come back and it's
like riding a bike. They're fucking awesome. It's it's in
their jeans, it's but some people like there's ring russ.
It takes a while like it's and it might come
back and might even be better. Like age has nothing

(02:14:43):
to do with wrestling if you know how to work,
because you can work around injuries, you can work around age.
There's ways to work around every fucking thing. That's why
wrestling is fucking great. And that's why like football players
would destroy me, can you know, out of nowhere become wrestlers.
There's a way to work around things. But I don't
know as as a fucking boss, didn't you check that,

(02:15:06):
you know what? You give her a few matches, you're like,
oh fuck, that's rough, like nothing, and then p L and.

Speaker 1 (02:15:13):
You're like, oh that didn't go well. I can't believe
that didn't go well.

Speaker 2 (02:15:17):
No, she cried, did she crossed the fucking curtains? Like, oh, Niki,
great job, big, we'll.

Speaker 1 (02:15:22):
See it the next on real People appalling think Triple
H got head to head with her and was giving
her that You're the greatest ever speech that he was
given on that TV.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
Well she could say, hey, you try.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
And honestly, I mean, if you're honest, well you know what.
She tried. It's sure, and we tried tonight. So thank you,
thank you for thank you for coming in tonight. I
appreciate having you here. Thank you for your insight. I
it's it's enjoyable to talk about good, good women's wrestling

(02:15:56):
sometimes when it happens with you, but it's also more
fun times when it's complete shits. Can you please let
the people know where they can find you because they
should be following you.

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
Yeah, you can follow me on x at lifisto. I'm
on Instagram at Lofisto Arts and Wrestling, Facebook dot com,
slash Lofisto. You can also follow Women's Wrestling Syndicate online
WWS indicate like WW Syndicate on X and it's w
It's Women's Wrestling Syndicate on YouTube. Check out our matches.

(02:16:30):
There's also lots of vintage women's wrestling stuff, good women's
wrestling stuff. So I'm a little bit okay, but I
mean it's it's not bad like all kinds of stuff
and yeah, I mean, if you have any comments, everything
you know, send me, send me a DM. Not asking
for pictures of my feet, please.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
Or if I can squeeze a limp a melon with
my legs, yes I can, And.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Man, I find sell videos of this and I can too.
But also I'm not sending your videos.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
That I don't have an only fan I don't. I've
always refused to, so don't ask.

Speaker 1 (02:17:10):
And that's about it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
Follow everybody on The Wrestling Soup for sure, and you
can listen to me covering LFG with my friend Jeff
Liftman every week talking about all kinds of shit wrestling
and wrestling tips at the same time. If you're a wrestler,
and I think that's about it, subscribe to the Patreon
of the Soup anything else and we're going.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
To find you. Oh thank you. And by the way,
I almost missed this one Dirty Bird said for five bucks,
thank you, Buddy says and Becky or what happened when
two people don't know when to call off a rebound relationship? Yeah,
I think that's a good I think that's a good
note show. Because I will say this, I will say
this all right, I'm I'm glad. I hope those two

(02:17:56):
crazy kids have a long, happy relation, relationship and marriage.
Just please please stop fucking wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:18:06):
All right, thank you, guys, just fuck each other.

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
Always go raise your kids, Grant night and have a
visionary of a night my friends.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
I'm the best piece. Yeah, fucking ships.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
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