CM PUNK: NOT IN THE SAME BUSINESS (Wrestling Soup 4/1/24)

Wrestling Soup: CM Punk's Revelatory Interview and AEW Reflections
In this emergency episode of Wrestling Soup, hosts Anthony Thomas and Joe Numbas delve into CM Punk's revealing interview with Ariel Helwani, shedding light on his departure from AEW, behind-the-scenes drama, and his candid thoughts on the wrestling industry. Punk discusses his therapeutic release from airing out his grievances, his critical views on AEW's direction, and his relationships with other wrestlers and reporters. The podcast also touches on Vince McMahon's recent scandals, comparing it to CM Punk's personal growth and changed perspective towards WWE doctors. Furthermore, the hosts speculate on CM Punk's future in wrestling, discuss his influence on the industry, and reflect on the potential impact of his candid revelations on AEW's fanbase and structure.
00:00 Introduction to Wrestling Soup: Emergency Episode
00:13 The Buzz Around CM Punk's Revelations
02:01 Analyzing CM Punk's Interview and Its Impact
06:32 CM Punk's Critique of AEW and Wrestling Journalism
12:21 The Reality of AEW's Business Model and Talent Mindset
19:11 CM Punk's Personal Experiences and Insights on AEW
22:22 The Jack Perry Incident: A Glimpse into AEW's Internal Drama
27:34 The Drama of CM Punk and AEW: Insights and Incidents
28:25 Addressing the Critics and Reflecting on Wrestling Culture
29:02 CM Punk's Candid Thoughts on Work Ethic and Wrestling Industry
30:18 The Controversy Around Jack Perry and Wrestling's Toxic Culture
31:13 Personal Reflections and the Impact of Wrestling on Relationships
33:33 CM Punk's Honest Take on Nepotism and Industry Dynamics
44:34 Reflecting on Vince McMahon's Legacy and Controversies
49:20 CM Punk's Interview: A Deep Dive into Wrestling's Complex World
53:58 Looking Ahead: Wrestling Events and Fan Reactions


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Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the aeW Recovery hotlines. Currently, call hold
times are longer than usual expected weightnine hundred and seventy one minutes. If
you are calling about cmpunk being ahypocrite and signing with WWE, please press

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one. If you are upset thatDave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez are no longer
getting the respect they deserve, pleasepress two. If you wish to listen
in to Tony Kahan and Warner BrothersDiscovery executives negotiate terms and conditions of AEW
Dynamite and AEW Collision, Please stayon the line. Hey, Tony,

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before we get started with our meetingtoday, we want you to know that
we have been negotiating with WWE.Don't do it. No, don't do
what, Tony. No. No. WWE is currently a very high prospect
venture for Warner Brothers Discovery, andwe would like to talk to you about

(01:11):
moving a W Dynamite and a WCollision to a different time and we would
like to discuss the potentiality of movingthose same ae W shows perhaps one of
our other no smaller less watch works. No, Tony, do come on
now. No, No, thisis a major acquisition for our corporate shareholders

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and the company as a whole,and don't do it, and Tony,
this, don't do it. Thisis going to happen. I've heard you.
Oh so no, let's let ithappen. Noh. Wrestling Soup is

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intended for a mature audience. WrestlingSoup. I am Anthony Thomas, He's
Joe Numbers. Hey, folks,emergency episode. We have tonight here we
had something something went down today,Yes, yeah, something weird, man,
But you know what's something good?Because I'll tell you I got out

(02:19):
of work. I had messages,just messages abound by many many a person
where they're going, dude, punkpunk is going off. He's going,
he's he's dropping, he's spilling allthe beads, He's what's the tea?
He has all the tea and he'sspreading it everywhere and it's just all over
the place. And I was like, all right, I'll be out of

(02:42):
work soon and I'll hear what's goingon. Unlike the TA who has all
the s? So yeah, wait, who hit ohs? And then who
has all the e the yay?Oh dude. I will say that this

(03:07):
was this was like very therapeutic,wasn't it. It felt good to listen
to it because I got the backend of it. I got to hear
the last forty minutes of it whenI got out of work, and then
I left or I got home andI got my shit together, and then
I went to the gym and listenedto it there, and I listened through
it all the way through. Again, I'm like, ooh, ah,

(03:30):
it was it was just God,I don't know, I'm like emotionally kind
of taken back by this. It'slike a nice It's like a nice break
from all of the shit that we'vehad to deal with for the past four
or five years, having anything todo with this crappy ass company and the

(03:53):
insanely gross, annoying fans that surroundit. This was This was great,
wasn't it? Cmpunk doing Ariel Hawanefirst off? Was expected. I believe
John discussed it initially, and thenmaybe I said something about it too down
the road. But I remember theidea of now that CM punk is gone

(04:15):
from aw, who's going to bethe guy? And I know that people
brought up not Sam. I believeyou brought up Rogan, and there were
other names that were thrown about thatmaybe he would go on to Stone Colds,
which I still think might be agood one too. Yeah, that's
still a possibility, but more oftenthan not, a lot of the response
was he wouldn't dare, he wouldn'tdare talk about aew while with WW he

(04:41):
wouldn't dare, He's not gonna sayanything, mesh, and that's not CM
Punk's m O. And personally,obviously I was thinking Ariel Hawane because of
his friendship with Nick Khan and thenlo and behold, during this interview he
talks about that relationship that CM punkhas with Nick as well, so the
fact that he went on Aeriel Hawani'sMMA Hour. Never mind all the little

(05:05):
MMA spurg boys that were freaking out, Why why are we talking to a
wrestler on the MMA Hour? Yeah? Where's my floor? Karate people?
I need them? He heard thesame fucking things, man, there was
a lot of that. Now Iwas like Jesus Christ, guys, clearly
this is a big interview for Ariel. At one point, I think it

(05:27):
had over thirty thousand, thirty fuckingthousand people watch it. In the middle
of the afternoon too, totally amiddle of the afternoon thing, and while
it was promoted, it wasn't heavilypromoted. It wasn't as if WWE was
like, hey, guys, makesure you tune in on Monday. You
know, this was so heavily promoted, missed that Bill c. You and
I were like, wait, doesthis happening right now? Huh? How

(05:50):
the fuck nobody brought this up?Do we we just are hearing about this
now? No, man, thiswas an absolute as blasting right from the
get and in a way that Ithink was going to frustrate people even more
because it wasn't angry, it wasn'trage filled. If anything, it was

(06:14):
very measured and mature and coming froma place of growth and trying to in
a really sad sort of way,I guess, trying to explain to wrestling
fans what normal people behave. Andthat's why it was like, Wow,
this is this is nice. It'snice to hear this guy just attempt to

(06:35):
for once take a role that's notit's not it's not angry, it's not
coming from a place of these peopleall accuse him of being very bitter and
resentful and just all this is justno. I tried to do a nice
thing, and the people there weretoo stupid to succeed. That's what it
was. It's just I don't Idon't even know where to start with this,

(06:56):
I really don't. I mean,there's there's a bunch of different ways
we could start with this area wholeFannie introducing it and kind of talking about
the last time that we did aninterview together was in twenty eighteen. He
also made it very clear that himand Punk had multiple conversations since then,
but nothing on stream, and it'swhat a way to bring him back since
twenty eighteen was the last time hewas with Ariel and then they were talking

(07:16):
about the apartment and stuff like that, and see him Punk had some kind
words for Aj talking about you know, he didn't know what the fuck to
wear like. It was very topicalto open the whole thing up, which
is what you expect when you're ina friendly atmosphere, right, And it's
not like one of these interviews wherehe's trying to have it with some dork
that he doesn't know and doesn't respect. Right, He's comfortable there and you

(07:38):
can see that as well, veryeasily. It wasn't. Yeah, it
didn't come off like he was gettingprepared to do an ESPN interview or anything
else like that. It wasn't likehe had to be in character, which
is another important thing, because Ialready can feel I don't even have to
look right now, but I canalready feel that a lot of people would
think that this is in character forWWE was handed through and through. This

(08:01):
interview was very candid, very relaxed, and there were points where even arails,
look, dude, if I'm crossingthe line, just tell me to
shut the fuck up, and CemPunk is not, you know, nah,
it's okay. There were points whereAriel asked the uncomfortable questions and he
knew that Sampunk would say something,but at the same time he didn't want

(08:22):
to push push the button too far. And obviously a lot of people with
the meat on the bone were lookingforward to his comments about a w And
there was a couple that I clippedimmediately and threw up on Twitter because they
had to do with Dave Meltzer orin an offshoot way, they had to
do with Dave Meltzer. Let meplay the first one where CM punk is
calling out reporters with friends in aeW over the Hangman Page drama. It's

(08:46):
just that kind of took over now, getting getting out there and seeing you
know, reporters that report shit aboutyou like it's fact without ever checking with
you to see if stuff had andwho are openly friends with other wrestlers.
You know. It just it's justfucking high school. It's high school clicky,

(09:07):
mean girls, drama, bullshit.And I get there and I see
these goofs, you know, andI just, you know, lose lose
my temper that kind of. Imean, that's kind of a big thing
too, because I think for thelongest time, a lot of people,
you know, I have surmise thatDave Meltzer has his claws in there with

(09:30):
the young Bucks, with Page,with others, I'm sure. And it
goes back to this whole premise wherecmpunk was talking about it and a lot
of people didn't want to hear it. Where I guess the notion is is
that cmpunk is this evil, badperson and AW did everything they could for
him, but cmpunk is just sucha shitster and troublemaker. Oh this is

(09:50):
just no saving him, right.But this all goes back to the misinformation
from guys like SAP, from guyslike meltzer, you know what I mean,
And that's what he's p out hereis Look, this isn't This is
the fact of it is. Nowyou're hearing directly from me. All these
other people are telling you about whatI'm feeling by asking other people that don't
know me, or don't talk tome, or have not a good relationship

(10:13):
with me. And that was thenarrative that was being spread. It's like,
why would you ask Joey numbers worstenemy about how Joey feels today?
You know, right, That's that'sthe funniest thing about it is It's just
this was all and in a way, this guy's talking about this and it's

(10:33):
like, how does he not speakof these people and this shit with contempt
where it's okay, somebody was tryingto literally like he's trying to make millions
of dollars. He's getting millions ofdollars in the process. He's trying to
make them money and fucking teach thempeople how to wrestle and go out there
and do this thing, right,that's what he's going for. And in

(10:54):
the meantime, you have a sixtysomething year old man doing this nonsense.
You know, Dave Meltzer making upjust random shit or being fed stories by
these fucking born again Christian dorks thatactually don't know fucking anything about wrestling whatsoever,
like literally nothing, they know nothing. I think we now have to

(11:18):
get to this point where the YoungBucks and all those guys in California,
the PWG guys, there were peoplethat grace that company with their presence,
and they made a lot of thosedudes that could do the moves look like
a hell of a lot of betterwrestlers and better workers than they are.
And some of them were able toride that wave into WWE. Some of

(11:41):
them were able to ride that waveinto TNA. Some of them have been
able to ride that wave of fuckingfree Tony Kah money for years now.
But the reality is that most ofthem were spot monkey clowns and goofballs.
And now here it is cempunk is, you know, looking and he's saying
to them, hey, here's yourfucking receipt. Well, and he can

(12:05):
talk. I think that's like thebig thing too that people got to take
away from this. This isn't justa promo. This guy can talk,
He can explain himself. Put thesame sort of media behind Nick Jackson and
Matt Jackson and Adam Page, andit would what would it look like?
Right, yamadahamahamahamadahammadah Right. The problemis too is that they're disingenuous. See

(12:33):
Them Punk and Phil can tap intowho he is and how he feels as
a person, and he can elaborateon those feelings in a very public and
common way so that everybody can understandhim. Whereas and he kind of goes
on to explain when he starts talkingabout the success or the possibility of success

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with aw about the differences between SeeThem Punk and guys like the Young Bucks,
guys like hang Man Adam Page.We play that for you real quick.
Yeah, do you think they'll bearound? Given the fact that you
say that, will they be around? In this is a loaded question,
I think I Do you like thecompany? Yeah? As a whole?

(13:18):
Yeah, I think it's always goingto exist as long as Tony wants to
put money into it. Okay,can they be as successful? Do you
feel like they're trending? Do youwatch them even? What's successful? Though?
What's the definition? See this isand this is what I'm talking about,
Like levels you know, because likeI started on the indies, and
to me, successful was I caneat tonight, I have gas money to

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get to wherever I was going,and man, golly, I had a
good match, you know, andthen you know, you get to television
and as somebody coming in who doesn'tknow jack shit about doing television, like
I have to lean on people andask questions and watch and learn and grow.
And a lot of people I thinkare still just stuck in that indie

(14:01):
mindset. And again it's where itcame from. There's nothing wrong with it.
But if you're more happy with somegoof saying that you had a five
star match and the building's a quarterfall, we're not in the same business.
Oh hmm. I mean, howdelicious is that? That is? Literally

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he just tapped into an old episodefrom that one, because god, I
love it and it sounds good hearingit from him, because it's like it
adds validation to the things that you'vebeen saying for a very long time,
things that I've even echoed. WhereasCiampunk himself is saying that even with all
the money that Tony Khan is spending, which he made it very clear that

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the only reason adw will stick aroundus because Tony keeps his wallet open,
and until Tony closes that wallet,that's the only time AW will die.
But the mindset of the wrestlers,the mindset of a lot of the talent
is indie rific, it's shindy,whereas they're still stuck in the mindset of
it doesn't matter how many people arein the building, go out there and
have a good match, or atleast what they determine is a good match.

(15:11):
And instead of drawing fans in,they're just looking to impress Dave Meltzer
and people like Dave Meltzer. Andthis is the problem with AEW. And
this is something that we've echoed,Bischoff has echoed, many people have echoed
over the years, and it's interestingnow to hear it coming out of Sampunk,
pretty much validating a lot of peoplethat have felt that this has been
one of the biggest problems for thiscompany. Yeah, and I think maybe

(15:35):
the most. I mean, tryme, trust me. I'm not trying
to take this in in any waymake any sort of Oh, let me
try to find the shit. I'mnot trying to find the shit lining here.
I'm looking for all the good stuff. But at the same time I
hear some of these things and Igo, God, damn it. Shouldn't

(15:56):
this just be obvious? Some ofthe stuff just feels And I still say
that, you know, all thetime when we talk about this company,
and I always have some of theshit just seems obvious. You know,
Hey, guys, there's a fifteenthousand seat building and there's fourteen people in
there. That's not good and they'relike, yes, but those are the
true wrestling fans like you, guys. Huh, doesn't this just seem so

(16:22):
clear. Shouldn't all of this justto regular fucking people. Shouldn't all of
them just kind of join together andgo, yeah, none of this is
good, this is not good news. This company fucking up like this.
I don't know. It's just veryweird to me to hear Punk have a
conversation with somebody about this and itbe as like I said, as cathartic

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and feel like, oh, that'sso nice. But then at the same
time, he's not making points thatany person who's taken like a rudimentary business
class would just say to you,like, yes, of course, what's
the point of owning your own businessto make money? Now it's the same
mine is something there? Sheesh.You know I've been calling him a nepo

(17:10):
baby for years. I mean that'sliterally what he is. It's all about
the nepotism. It's dude. Evenin a first response, Sammy did a
fucking hashtag thank you AW tweet talkingabout how AW has improved his life.
And I mean there was a lotof people that liked it and retweeted it
and a lot of a lot ofshots back at Sammy on that one.

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But immediately it felt thank you verymuch Dan. It says AW changed mine
and a lot of people's lives forthe better hashtag thank you AW. But
it feels like it's just another plant. It's another one of those things that
Tony Kahan whips out the roll ofdecks and says, say something nice about
me, you know, also youexpect and this is where and you know

(17:57):
me, I've never been a bigSammy guy or put over a lot of
things that Sammy has done throughout theyears, but this is where, in
a weird sort of way, ascringy and as cheesy as that is for
him to post that there's about onehundred other guys that should be posting on
same tweet. And this is why, because there was no universe where Sammy

(18:18):
Guevara player, who know, Trent, Chuck, Taylor, Orange Cassie.
There's no universe where those guys wouldbe making hundreds of thousands of dollars a
year without Tony kN existing. So, whether I think the show sucks,
you think the show sucks, themajority of people that used to watch it

(18:40):
now don't watch it and kind ofdunk on it. Whether that's true or
not, all of those people shouldbe like, hey, thanks, you
know, like maybe yeah, withthe sentiment of doing it right after the
cmpunk interview, Yeah, that's whatit was. It was it's false it's
it's a false flag operation. It'soh, it's just nefotism. It's just

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more Hey, look, we stilllove Tony Kahan, and it's like there's
nothing against that. There's nobody sayingthat you can't like where you work,
right, and you're right, alot of these people would have never gotten
a shot in WWE, or ifthey did get a shot in ww they
would nowhere nearly be as big asthe stars as they are in AW or
even it's not even a shot WW, a shot in life, right,

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And that's not and that's not aknock. There's only so many people in
this country that are making that kindof money, and they're certainly not doing
it to play fight fucking once amonth, right, you know what I
mean, and sit at home andplay fucking video games in Orlando, and
shit, these guys are getting apretty good life out of this fucking guy.

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And I actually had this epiphany Ilike two days ago, and I
was laughing about it, and Iwas like, I gotta save this for
the show. I'm like, Igot it. I'm like, can we
just can we just agree at thispoint that most, if not all,
of the aw wrestlers are essentially sugarbabies, all of them, the sugaries.
Yeah, of course, it's justsome rich guy is let me fucking

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pay all your bills and you justyou just text me and you know,
I'll come over to your house everynow and then you go out to dinner
with me, and you know,you get to be the cute girl that
I get to feel special. I'mlike, that's kind of all they're really
just kind of sugar babies. That'sall guys, girls, all of them,
they're all into that category. We'llast spray. There's an expensive sugar

(20:33):
baby for you. You know whatI mean, Ookata, there's a fucking
sugar baby because they're not Actually,do you think any of them are in
love with this company? Do youthink any of them love this what they're
doing? The Sting is his sugarbaby. Sing is trying to retire,
and on the retirement scrum, TonyConna is pretty much saying, just here's

(20:57):
a check, make out whatever youthink you're worth for an appearance. Oh
it's very sad because to Tony,instead of it being about building characters and
telling his story and pretty much supposedlyas a wrestling fan, his entire life
would be understanding about conveying the storyof the feud to these fans, whether

(21:18):
it's through brilliant matches, whether it'sthrough in depth onion layer storylines and promos,
whether it's just from having crazy matchesthat might entice people to purchase.
He doesn't care about that. Everybody'sa fucking Pokemon in that goddamn company.
He's gotta get them all. Stingis trying to leave. No, no,

(21:41):
no, stay fucking see him.Punk even said that too. There
was a point where he was talkingwith Ariel HALMANI about him leaving the company,
and there was a point when hewas injured. He's just let me
go. You're not using me.I don't want to fucking be here.
Just let me go. Yeah,Tony's no stay, no stay. And
never mind the fact that if Tonyreally even understood this side of the business,

(22:03):
which is even funnier to say,there was no non compete clause ever
attached to any of the contract orat least attached to Sam Punks. Now
the breakdown comes in was, youknow, obviously, when Saam Punk went
to raw in Rosemont in Chicago,you know, and he was thrown out
by Vince after having conversations and stuff. He was genuinely saying that this was

(22:26):
kind of to meet friends. AndI'm like, and I saw people doubting
that, and that's fair, youcan doubt it. I don't see any
reason why he would have a needto lie right now at this point after
he's already in the company. Anyways, But the interesting thing came in was
he said the deal was signed infive days. Five days before Survivor series
He talked on the interview saying hewas signing his name on the contract while

(22:52):
going into Gorilla, and I waslike, holy shit. He was talking
about his lawyers and everybody's lawyers allpissed off because they had to work the
Thanksgiving weekend, and it's that's amazing. That's amazing that in just five days
he got that contract done and beforehe came out to Chicago that ink was
still fucking wet on the paper.And in a way, this is like

(23:15):
another one of those stories where youhear it and you know what, if
this is a wrestling far fetched youknow where you see him punk is just
kind of weaving this tapestry for peopleto buy into that's not true, then
good job, right, And youdid a good job like that. That
was kind of my takeaway from alot of this interview was if this guy

(23:37):
is bullshitting, then give him theOscar, right, because this is really
I If this guy is just makinga bunch of this stuff up and this
is all in his head, thenboil boy talk about get him a casting
agent. He needs to be insome films. Because I was buying it.
It's not even a matter of Iwant to buy it, dude.

(24:00):
Just read the body language. Readhow he talks like you can tell when
somebody's shifty in their seat. They'relooking away as, Oh, this guy's
either really nervous or he doesn't wantto talk about certain things. And once
again, to reiterate, Joe Arielopenly said, look, if I'm crossing
the fucking line, just let's moveon. And Sampunk took every question had

(24:21):
on and there was a couple whenhe was talking about the NBA and stuff
like that, you know, likeI really can't get into it, and
was like, okay, let's moveon. It was simple as that.
At no point in this interview,and maybe I do have bias as a
Sampunk fan, but at no pointin this interview did I look at this
interview and think, Wow, Sampunkis just laying down the company line,

(24:42):
just saying because he was asked aboutaw multiple times. He was asked about
the Nick Jacksons and the Hangman Pageincident, and he fucking blew that open.
And another one that he blew openwas the Jack Perry Jungle Boy incident.
Oh boy, he pried his mouthopen and shit and it huh yeah,
oh my god. Tony's big ideawas a separate show. We're going

(25:03):
to separate everybody, and I said, that will never work. Just let
me go. Just get me outof here, just pay me my money.
I've already been off TV. Iheard this arm. Just just get
me out of here. You know, No, I can't let you go.
Why just let me go? Whocares? It's best? I mean,
these guys don't want me here.This, this isn't This isn't a

(25:23):
real business. This isn't a businesspredicated on making money, drawing money,
selling tickets, you know, doingbusiness. It's it's it's not what it
was sold to me as let mego. Oh, I can't let you
go. I'm going to do thisnew show. You're gonna you know,
you're gonna have blah blah blah.And then the second day we have this
show, I'm sitting in catering,minding my own business, and Tony Shillani

(25:47):
comes and gets me and he sas, hey, can I really need your
help? And I was like,what Jack is you know, cussing me
out? And he's cussed out MikeSurrey, and he cussed out Darryl from
production and he's cussing out This isalready unreal. The story, by the
way, right, Oh, it'sright. Yeah, the fucking balls.

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Like to me, I heard thestory and I'm like, you know what,
if this was like just a conversationthey had backstage and he escalated it,
that's one thing. If Jack Perrywas like, yeah, and then
I'm working and he's just a dumbfucking kid and he's kind of a douchebag
and whatever. But to hear thathe's in the back cussing people out and

(26:32):
screaming at him and swearing and sayingI'm not going to do that. Yeah,
but he's not doing it's a punk. That's the hilarious thing that shows
what a pussy level person Jack Perryis. He went after Tony Schavani.
He's screaming at a sixty something yearold man to pass the past the note
forward during class. He fucking suckswhy? And I was immediately like,

(27:00):
the dude isn't supposed to be here, you know. I was told that
people are getting separated, so there'snot problems, and you don't want me
involved in this because just like everythingelse I've explained before, like y'all need
to handle this because if you don't, I'm going to handle it, and
you're not going to like the wayI handle it, right, Yeah,

(27:22):
And how is that any different thanI mean anything that we've said for years
where punk is handling this the waythat a grown up would in a locker
and like a just a regular lockerroom, a regular business, or just
in any sort of sport where it'sjust hey, this guy is acting the
fool. Okay, if the coachcan't handle it, then the next guy

(27:45):
in line is this dude, andthat guy's kind of a fucking wild man,
so let's not let's not go thatway. The coach was too busy
eating little caesars and crushing up lines, So I don't know he's right.
You asked, he received right?A little more from this prophetic words he's

(28:06):
begging me, now, please hedrags me out of catering, I go
up hook and Jack or doing anangle. I don't know anything about Jack
going on vacation. All I knowis there's a litany of people that don't
want They work one day a weekand they don't want to so they want
to show up and wrestle and thenfilm vignettes and then sit at home for
four weeks. Great, not mycompany. Do what you want, but

(28:30):
not on my show. That wasmy attitude. So I said, Tony,
you really want me doing this?Yeah? And I walked up the
Jack and you're sitting in a car. What he wanted to do it was
a rental car. What he wantedto do was smash the window with a
rental car with a pipe. AndI was just like, it's a rental
car. And I very politely,because I like Jack, I was just

(28:52):
like, docs told you no,Darryl's told you no, Mike's told you
no, Shavan He's told you now, and now I have to tell you
no. And apparently you've cussed themall out. So I'm telling you no,
we don't do that here. Ifyou want to do this, go
to Wednesday and do it. Andhe had no problem. He said okay,

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He said, I just thought itwas a really cool idea, and
I said it might be, butis a rental car. Boys ruined it.
For the boys. You're gonna smashthe window of a rental car and
you're going to return it with nofucking window. And now whatever national budget
hurts, whatever, is going tobe like, don't don't rent cars to
pro wrestlers anymore. This is thething that's happened you know. So I

(29:34):
wasn't trying to throw my weight around. I wasn't like, this is my
show and you got to get outof here. I was just like this
fucking dumb man. And he wantedto do it because so he didn't have
to fly back to Canada, andI, you know, sorry, man,
we're privileged to be in this business. We're privileged to do this for
a living. I get it.I didn't want to go to Canada either.
All the flights were delayed, canceled, everybody's travel sucked. But to

(29:59):
come to this new show when everyone'ssupposed to be separated, to get rid
of all the drama, and thenyou know, swearing at the doctor because
the doctor's like real glass, youknow, you know, like shit's going
to go on your eye. AndI get it. I used to be
that kid that was like young andI want to do this, you know,
but there's a safe way to doit. And I politely explained that
to him. I didn't raise myvoice, I didn't cuss at them.

(30:19):
I was just like, I verymuch just said, we don't do that
here. This is Saturday. It'sa different show. I fucking love that.
I love that, you know,And that was another thing too,
is when we when Collision first started, we felt immediately off the bat,
this is going to be the Sampunkshow and it's literally going to be separated.

(30:40):
And there was some pushback even withthat idea, even when we discussed
the idea of it. And it'snice to hear Sampunk saying that, no,
I had control of the show,and here were the people that were
working there keeping everything separated because ofthe drama, because that's what it was.
I think a lot of the awdiehards really felt like Collision was a
punishment to see them Punk, rememberthat shit that Oh my god, I

(31:03):
bring them on Saturday. It's like, why would they self sabotage? Why
would they make a show just topunish people that they're paying instead of just
you know, releasing them all.But I digress, And here we go
with the Jack Perry incident, andseem Punk openly says, you know,
with the quiet voice, with thecalm manner, I didn't cuss Adam.

(31:25):
The doctors warned him, other agentswarned them, said no, and he
fucking decided to do it anyways.So let me really reiterate this to anybody
who's hate listening to this right nowbecause we know we know you're there.
Hello, how are you good toseeing? Call your mom's hugy family.

(31:45):
Try to use your critical thinking skills. But you're probably in a car right
now, or on a bus ora bicycle, or in the back of
your mom's car, wherever you're goingthat if you're hate listening to this trunk
drunk drunk somewhere, maybe you're eatinga popsicle alone on your porch but no

(32:06):
shirt on. You know, maybeyou look like the baby from Dinosaurs,
you know, just throwing that outthere. Let me ask you this.
When you wake up in the morningand you go to work, assuming you
do, and you're there all day, you're there all night. You come
home, you're tired, and youput on your little wrestling program and you
see this shit and you see awor maybe you watch WWE put in secret

(32:28):
because it's bad. Do you everstop and think to yourself, man,
these guys only work once a week. If that. Do you ever think
that to yourself? Probably not right, but if you did, wouldn't it
bother you to know that if therewas a guy there that worked one day

(32:49):
a week acted like this as well? Wouldn't they kind of bug you.
Shouldn't they kind of annoy you.Shouldn't you look at that person and go,
what a fucking loser? That guysucks? What a jerk off?
And if the answer is no,I think that's totally reasonable. I think
that's I completely understand why he wouldbe that upset, then you need help.

(33:13):
You're the problem. You are theproblem, not the not the These
people have bad faith takes and arenegative and hate wrestling, and no,
they're so mean. They're the problembecause they're endorsing this kind of attitude as
being okay, yeah, if they'rebehind the Jack Perry stuff and they think
that what Jack did was reasonable,then they're the problem. You're the problem.

(33:36):
You're the fucking problem. Yes,one million fucking percent. If you
don't understand that that is very verybad as just you know, talk about
good face takes and bad cake behavior. Meet a person that spoiled and shitty
and entitled in your everyday life andstand up for them. And it's not

(34:00):
because you like their fucking moon salt, or do you think their boss is
nice because they made a fucking wrestlingcompany just for you. There's still a
douche the kid sucks. The kid'sa fucking asshole. The best thing that
could happen to him and the bestthing that could happen to wrestling is for
both of those two, you know, fucking human entities, occupations to part

(34:24):
ways and by the way, amongthis whole thing, can somebody please talk
to Anna Jay? I mean,I'm not dude. People like who they
like, they want to be withwhoever the fuck they want to be with,
But can someone please have a conversationwith this young woman and be like,
what the fuck are you doing?This kid is a fucking idiot,

(34:47):
an idiot, But do you thinkif this is the way that this guy
acts and you don't think it's eventuallygonna roll over to how he treats you,
good luck? Am I wrong?No? This is this is one
of those things where it's just andI know, like I said, this

(35:07):
is a younger people. She's ayounger person. Maybe she didn't realize this,
but there was a thing that Ilearned pretty young on when I was
a single lad where it was like, you go out to eat, you
go to the bar, you goto the restaurant, you take someone out.
Right, look at the way thatthey treat bartenders. Look at the
way that they treat waitresses, becausethis is how they treat people who are

(35:30):
there to do nothing but be niceto them. Right. So, if
they can't treat people who are thereto be nothing but nice to them with
decency and respect, what do youthink they're going to eventually do to you
when you become that person if therelationship goes sour, they just decide that,
you know they you know this isn'tworking out anymore, They're going to

(35:51):
fucking run right through you. Theyhave a shitty fucking attitude. And this
kid who is once again at ajob making hundreds of thousands of dollars literally
no reason. I mean, let'sbe real, there's no fucking reason you
could replace him with nine hundred thousandfucking indie wrestlers that exist in the United
States right now. And he's screamingand swearing and cussing people out and making

(36:14):
all these problems. Uh, thefact that nobody walked up to him and
picked him up by his fucking pantsand threw him out the back door is
about as professional as you could get. If you ask me, let me
let me throw this out here too. Side note apparently there's a Tuna Melzer
sign in the audience tonight, justas tuna melts. Yeah. Well,

(36:34):
you know what if that's a suitperson, thank you. If it's not,
great, minds think of like sure, yeah, but if it is,
thank you to whoever has it,that's great, that's funny. But
yeah, dude, I don't know, I don't I mean, I think
you're even looking at it too deeplyin this sense. How does anybody look
at Jack Perry and not think thathe's a NEPO baby just Tony Connas.

(36:57):
Oh yeah, I mean that's It'slike a lot of this is you know
people, you know, it's oh, you know, for whatever culture it
might be, like Greek people,Greek people always look out for Greek people.
Greek people will be the first oneto tell you that if a Greek
person applies to a job with aGreek person's a boss, he's getting the
job over people that are fucking waymore qualified. I just mean because of

(37:20):
his dad being Luke Perry, hewas raised in an already artificial upper tier
environment, right like, he wasalready raised in that mindset. That's what
I'm saying. Of course, thisdoesn't seem absurd to Tony because where the
fuck is his caveat right? Right? You know what I mean? Of
course, Tony Khan doesn't look atthis and go, wow, this is
huge, spoiled baby bullshit behavior becauseto him, he's I requested green Eminem's

(37:46):
like, he is a spoiled fuckingnipple baby. He is a brat,
He is a man child. Didyou see the thing with the some random
player for the Jacksonville Jaguars shitting onhim on Twitter too and calling him out
good, Yeah, that's it is. And you have to picture this as
well, like we all kind oflose this because this guy is so obsessed

(38:07):
with wrestling and he always is justyou know whatever in his little social media
bubble of wrestling. Picture. You'rea guy on the Jacksonville Jaguars and you
can't get a return call or textfrom this guy who's like partial owner or
whatever, and there he is onex arguing with people with nine followers and

(38:29):
like posting pictures of like little Japaneseschoolgirls, being like, oh, look,
areight a threstler in the world.You're an NFL player, You're in
the NFL, and you're at likethe behest of this guy who's like collecting
Japanese schoolgirls to fucking throw fake punchesat each other like that. It's all

(38:53):
embarrassing. And I know that's thejoke, it's all embarrassing wrestling, but
this felt like a just didn't evenfeel like a burial, just felt like
a eulogy. Yeah it was.It was Aw's eulogy in a lot of
ways. And I really think thata lot of people after listening to this
will turn off AAW for good.I think that sampunk pointing it out and

(39:15):
pretty much confirming a lot of people'swell maybe some people's fears, but a
lot of people's thoughts on what washappening with the company, and being to
being able to openly say this duringrustle Mania week too. Let's be honest,
this was Ariel Hawane's just getting allthe fuck in love right now because
he had on Ripley afterwards, hehad on Becky the other day, He's

(39:36):
got Cody on tomorrow. I mean, WWE is definitely tossed. None of
these are going to fucking not Samhuh. None of them are going to
Rosenberg huh. I'm like, I'mtelling you, Ariel Hawani is going to
be that guy, and it waskind of interesting too to see that.
But on another part of it,just to give I guess a little bit
of a positive weight from it forAW fans, he said, I don't

(40:00):
I regret my time in AAW.I'm just brutally honest about some things.
And it's done. I hope they'rehappy. I know I am. I
would like to leave it at that. And I understand fans in the tribalism.
I'm a Blackhawks, I'm a ChicagoCubs fan, so I will always
troll and needle White Sox fans orBlues fans or predators, you know.

(40:21):
But some of the shit was sooutlandish, talking about my dog and all
this awful stuff, and I waslike, how do you sit there and
take it? So, I mean, it's nice of him to sit there
and say that, you know,he doesn't regret his time in AAW,
But I don't even think that's true, because if you listen to the rest
of the interview, maybe you regretis the wrong word. But he definitely

(40:45):
must feel like he wasted a lotof time there because in his mind when
he was talking about being the Bookerguy, and he talked about why you're
making money in the whole point andmaking money, And even earlier in the
clip when he said that half theroster's there trying to impress Dave Meltzer and
his star system, while him andhis friends, the ones that if he

(41:06):
names them, they're going to bepunished, were the ones that were in
it to make money and to fillthe building. They were in two completely
different businesses. And so it's like, see him punk and say something nice
about it. I don't regret mytime there. Maybe that's true, but
he must definitely feel like he wasteda lot of it. Miss She's also
and this was a moment that meand you talked about in private about this

(41:30):
before we went live, And tome, this was the part of the
interview that was kind of just avery passing thing. But for me as
a person that you know, we'rearound this dude's age, we've been following
this guy for a fucking quarter ofa century of our lives, you know,
like, and to hear him evenmentioned saying, hey, you know,

(41:54):
I'm kind of paraphrasing here is Hey, you know I've fucking I've made
mistakes and done shit because I grewup in a bad way, and I
had some trauma, and you know, my childhood was rough, it wasn't
good, And I'm like, damn, dude, I've been waiting for that
guy to have an interview and kindof speak freely like that for years.

(42:16):
I mean, you remember, goingback to when Punk first showed up in
AW, I was saying that evenwhen he was having some of these problems,
I'm like, this guy harbors alot of fucking issues, right,
He's got a lot of anger inhim. He's got a lot of shit
stemming back very clearly to his youththat I hope he's taken care of.

(42:37):
And it was never from a meanplace, it was never from a oh
I know this guy, he's mybest folking friends sort of ways. I'm
basing this strictly off the shit thathe's saying. I'm not pulling this out
of my ass. And I thinkthe fact that he was like, yeah,
you know, I'm saying this likehim saying that lets me know that
he's at least working on it.And I think the fact that he even

(43:00):
said I don't regret my time inAW. That's something that people learn when
they're trying to self actualize because It'svery hard, like he said, to
not look at something like that andbe upset. You're like, dude,
did I really waste fucking four yearsof my life in this job, in
this relationship or whatever the fuck itmight be. But there's nothing he can

(43:20):
do to change that, so youjust kind of have to accept it and
move on, right, And Ithink the fact that he did that,
I was like, this is thehealthiest that I've ever seen this guy.
Even at the end, Ariel broughtup Cold Cabana, and obviously, you
know, that's still being one ofthe reasons that all of this started,
because he even talked about Hangman Page, you know, freaking out on him

(43:44):
based upon the idea that CM Punkgot Cold Cabana fired, which was ultimately
untrue, but didn't matter because onceit was once the narrative was already out
there in the ether, everybody wasgoing to gang pile, you know,
a dog pile on top of Punk. Right, brought it up, and
basically Sam Punk said, yeah,there's no correlation there. I have nothing

(44:05):
to do with the guy. Hemade it very clear that Colt Cabana was
not going to be a part ofhis life, right, right, And
also too. And I think thisis one of the funnier things too,
where the whole you know, hetried to get cold Cabana fired or he
got cold Cobana taken off TV orblah blah blah blah blah. And I
said, right from the jump inthat situation too, if I was punk,

(44:28):
I if he did, oh that'swhat he said. He's thank you,
CJ. I'll never talk to himagain without a lawyer present. Sad.
It's sad, but I get it. But it's still at the same
point. I remember when that wholerumor first broke, I even said,
I go, you know what,if I was punk, I'd say,
yeah, I don't want this fuckingguy around me either. I'd throw my
weight around a little bit too.Well, that's shitty, and that's mean,

(44:52):
No, not really, you knowwhat I mean if it was the
analogy I used that and I'll useit again. If you're a doc there
and you get hired to work ata hospital and you don't like one of
the guys that works in the fuckingkitchen that comes and delivers food to floor
six and seven, and you workon floor six and seven, then they're

(45:13):
probably going to take that food guyand send him to floor three and four,
right right, you're the doctor.He's the fucking guy serving the fucking
cheeseburgers and bringing the fucking waffles andjello. So that's where Colt was,
and that's where Colt is, andhe should be lucky he's even there at
this point. But that's one ofthe funniest moments too. Or is like

(45:35):
he got him taking off TV.Yeah, yeah, maybe he did,
and he suppose he didn't. Andif he didn't, then I mean,
that's very fucking big of him insome respects. And if he did,
still fucking shop Like, I totally, I totally understand. Dude. If
somebody literally costs you millions of dollarsand dicked you around two million, why

(46:00):
would you why would you want wouldyou want them around? No? No,
of course not no. And ifyou had the power to fucking just
say get this person away from me, would you? Here's the thing too,
is, and I remember when wewere first discussing this, when all
this went down, is it soundedlike there was a horrible lack of communication
from both of them, of course, and that's usually the breakdown of any

(46:23):
friendship is when the communication stops,and at some point, instead of cult
doing the right thing and either payingPunk back or not taking the money to
begin with, he decided to screwhis friend. And that's where it ultimately
becomes an issue for for CM Punkbecause he's out the money and yeah,

(46:46):
and he's out the friendship too,because you can't be friends with somebody like
that, somebody that's gonna take youfor that much money. It's impossible,
right, And I think that's that'sone of those situations where and this is
the this is the conversation when itcomes to loading people money, loading friends,
loaning family money. Don't loan anythingthat you you know, never intend

(47:07):
on seeing again, right, youknow what I mean? Like they're because
if you're sitting there and you're like, you're also talking about somebody who's more
than just a friend. These guyswere literally attached to the hip for years.
Yeah, they were synonymous. Butdo you know what I'm saying,
This isn't I know, it's don'tlend family money and things like that.
And you hear that too, butpeople make that mistake all the time.

(47:28):
You know it's but I do agreewith the adage, you know, don't
lend more than you can afford,right now, don't let I've really I'm,
like I said, I'm in thecamp of don't lend anything you don't
intend on never seeing again. Right. And that being said, though,
it still takes a lot for somebodylike picture your picture. You are punk.
And I don't know how this timelinelines up. I have no idea.

(47:50):
But you know, here's this guyand you're like, yeah, let
me take care of these you know, legal costs for you or whatever.
And in the meantime, this guyis starting a T shirt company, right,
you know what I mean? Ohman, I can't find thirty grand
for a lawyer, but I canfucking start my own business. Huh.
Okay, But at least in thatsituation is okay. Then after the fact,
do you either pay the guy back, right, pay him back.

(48:12):
That's that's the thing I didn't understand. No point, do I believe that
pro wrestling tease hasn't made millions ofdollars? Right? I mean, it's
a cornerstone for most wrestlers merchandise.I don't know, yeah, it just
it just that that's the part thatseems very wonky to me. But I
wanted to hit up something else beforewe get ready to wrap this see him.
Punk talks about his details with thelast time that he met Vince McMahon

(48:36):
and he was talking to Ariel.He said, I saw him at the
towers. I was at SmackDown andthey say, do you want to come
on the jet to do NXT Andthey gave me a tour of the new
towers and I'm on the phone trainingand Vince's trainers came up and said that
Vince doesn't like people on the phone. In the gym, he came up
to me. I said that wasembarrassing. Yeah, he came up to
me and he said welcome home andgave me a hug, and we said

(49:00):
we had to catch up. Ihaven't seen him since. And Ariel asked,
is have you seen Vince since?And Punk said no, I think
some stuff came up. Ariel thatthat was really fun. You run it.
I think he's busy. Yeah,And Punk then went on to describe

(49:24):
about the Vince McMahon situation and probablythe most poignant clear way possible. There
was no stuttering or you know,stammering like Sina did with Howard Stern.
There was no you know blanket statement. He openly called him a monster.
He openly said that Vince McMahon.And that was one of the interesting things

(49:50):
too, is as first as smartof a man as Vince McMahon is,
he was so stupid and leaving apaper trail like that, he effectively ruined
him his own career. He's alreadyruined his life, his career. This
guy ruined his life. And I'mlike, yeah, I mean, fuck,
that's that was like one of thetakes that I think a lot of

(50:12):
people at that time they kind ofignored that because they were so focused on
just how crazy it was for himto do this. It's this guy,
in a way willed his life intothe toilet, no pun intended. He
like willed himself into ruining his legacy, making himself a fucking pariah. It's

(50:35):
really it's really fucking wild when youthink of it like that. But also,
and I had a good laugh aboutthis because I saw some people obviously
posting up about this, where youknow, this whole thing with Vince and
Vince's attachment to WWE is also likeone of those you know, dying gasps
of the a W fans In defenseof Tony Kahan where they're like, you

(50:58):
know, at least Tony ka isnot a creep. At least Tony Kahn's
not out there being a rapist.And I'm like, that's the best you
got, right, that's your bar. That's your measuring stick of the decency
of somebody's decency and quality of performancein their job. But hey, you
know, so and so they don'tshow up on time, they're not really

(51:21):
doing the numbers they're supposed to bedoing. They call out a lot,
but the good news is they're notraping and shitting on people's heads. That's
a measuring stick, now, thatis That's how well the bar is I
guess. I mean, it's youknow, it's just really just a way
for them to throw out more whatabout isms. That's all it is.
The reality is is and this iswhat Sam Punk even said, he's nobody

(51:45):
was expecting it. Nobody saw it. His time with WWE, he never
saw it, you know, Andeven Ariel said, look, we know
that Vince isn't a saint. Weknow that Vince hasn't been a pure guy.
We understand that. But Sampunk madeit very clear this wasn't happen in
all the hallways and stuff. Sofor the idea of everybody being in on

(52:05):
it, which unfortunately is what alot of AW fans think that the whole
company is just corrupt from the fromthe Lynch pin up, you know,
from from the cornerstone up. It'snot true. And going further with that,
you know, he made the comparisonswith ben Wah, you know,
where he was like, yeah,almost this this just almost And I think

(52:27):
that was another part of the interviewtoo, where I'm just like, he
is really being open here, right, This is not like when you're mentioning
the headshitting and Chris Benoit Like,I'm like, is there anybody watching this
being like, oh yeah, thisguy's really he's playing the fiddle here.
He's playing us. It's like,I don't think so, because there was

(52:51):
at least ten instances in this wherepeople that really fucking hate him are going
to try to blow this up.Right, he knows this too. If
anything, he's that he's smart enoughto know that whatever he's going to do,
people are going to try to fuckwith. In fact, he stops
himself how many times during this interview, Yeah, a few times, a
few times for sure. I meanhe was also thinking very clearly. He

(53:16):
was definitely making sure that what hesaid carried the weight of what he wanted
to say without it being a bunchof anger and conjecture. You know,
I think I think he carried theentire interview well. And Ariel once again,
you know, all the love tohim. He knows how to ask
the right questions and how to provokethese answers out of sampunk. Yeah,

(53:36):
And I think that was a bigpart of it too, is you can
just tell at this point he's alsoa he's a man of age, and
he's thinking about what he's going tosay and is very purposeful, Like there
were there were muted pauses where hewas really thinking, like, all right,
how am I going to talk?How am I going to go about
this? And I think to somepeople, to the untrained eye or the

(53:59):
untrained ear, they see that,ask somebody running themselves through the bullshit calculator,
you know, how can I concocta lie? But I don't think
it's a concocting a lie. Ithink people who lie lie instinctively. I
think it just sits right there,it's right on the tip of their tongue.
But that happens a lot when you'rereally trying to think of the best

(54:20):
version of what you want to say. It's not always just it's not just
sitting there. You know, youneed a moment, you need to really
think about it. And if you'retalking about something as fucked up as the
ben Wa situation, which i'd neverheard him tell that story about Daniel,
what the X is on his hands? Too? I was like, Oh
my god, this poor fucker.Can you imagine? Can you really just

(54:43):
like picture that? Or someone's sittingthere and they're like, oh, hey,
look, my kid's a big fanof yours and the guy fucking murders
him a week later, God damnit. It's yeah, I mean that's
That's the other thing too, ishe was the first one to say,
look, I was, I wascrying on camp. I found it,
you know, visibly. It wasa horrible scenario with the benmat of stuff,

(55:06):
as is the horrible scenario it iswith the Vince McMahon stuff. I
liked what he had to say aboutit. I really I like the comparisons
that he made. The idea thathe wasn't sugarcoating his feelings about it at
all, too, is a majorplus. Once again. I know I
have my bias in favor of seeampunk, but I think anybody that would have

(55:27):
said what he said in that positionwould still get nothing but odulation and praise
from me, you know. AndI really think that that was one of
the biggest takeaways from this. Andlike I'd said, you know, you've
now heard me speak for thousands ofhours. You've heard me review people talking
about countless things and countless ways,and you know, many situations, you

(55:51):
know, whether it be a dumbYouTube video of them talking shit or a
professional interview where they're sitting down andyou know, entertainment, whatever the fuck
it is. And I'd like tosink and I can only speak for myself
here, but I'd like to thinkmy bullshit detextas pretty decent. Yeah,
I think I kind of got thatin line. And it wasn't really going

(56:14):
off for me, and it doesn'tsound like it was going off for you
either. And you know, I'llbe the first person to say if I
don't if I don't like somebody andI think that they suck in wrestling,
they got to do something that reallymakes me laugh. For me to really,
you know, go out of myway to give him a lot of
credit for it, but in thissituation, if he'd have gone out there

(56:35):
and I felt like he was justphoning it and not doing what he needed
to do, right, he didn'teven talk about I mean, there was
a point where, you know,Ariel was asking him about what was the
WrestleMania match supposed to be and andit almost seemed like Sampunk was kind of
pushing past that a little bit.He's yeah, things changed obviously, you
know, and he was even talkingabout the fact that he was ready to
go. But it's the doctors andhe was given ww doctors prayer, which

(57:00):
is even funnier too, Like thedoctors are the ones telling me, yeah,
you want to talk about coming outon the other end of things,
right, No, right, praisingthe WWE doctors. I'm like, that's
a total one eighty from the lasttime he was talking openly like this.
And that's and that was the thingtoo, where it's you're hearing him talk
and you go, Okay, thisis a person that has grown a lot.
This is not the marauding ghoul thatDave Meltzer in the Fucking Dorky has

(57:22):
fucking shows on the Internet have triedto present him as for quite some time.
And by the way, even ifhe was at this point two or
three years ago, it sounds likewe've made some serious changes and attempted to
go and change and figured this shitout. But you know what, it's
it's one of those one of thosethings where you look and you say to

(57:43):
yourself, a lot of people wouldrather believe that one person is a fuck
up, that an entire situation isbad, right, you know what I
mean, It's so much easier tojust say, if we get rid of
this, it's it's the opposite ofthe red sports car. If I get
the red sports car, everything inmy life will be fine. Hey,
if we get rid of this onefucking guy, everything will be fine.

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And it's not right, you know, but it's right to its cores rotten.
It's fucked up, And you know, I don't know. This was
very entertaining, and like I saidat the beginning when we started talking about
this, very cathartic. Tomorrow Iwill be on Tounytown Wrestling at eight pm
Eastern Wednesday. Of course we're goingto have wrestling soup with Kevin Castle.

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Then of course Thursday, wrestling soupwith myself and Joey exclamation points asterisk.
We'll see what happens with that.Saturday will most likely be myself and Joe
and John Draper, and Sunday willprobably be myself, Kevin Castle and Joe

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Numbers both shows with an after showfor a call in which I'll be doing
separately. And yeah, I thinkthat's that's pretty much. Do we want
to do predictions on Friday assuming there'sno there's not going to be anything added.
Come on, they're not going toadd anything on a Friday. Yeah,
we don't want to do predictions onThursday? Then yeah, Thursday,

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of course. Okay, all right, cool cool, Because I'm thinking to
myself, I'm like, yeah,I don't think they're gonna mish. They
still might. They might add somethingthat No, that will be up.
If they do add something, it'snot going to be a needle mover.
No, no, yeah, youknow what I mean if you're literally adding
it the day before, and besidesthat even on Cogantur and I totally don't

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want to forget. Also on Friday, I have the show with Kevin Castle,
will be doing the Hall of Famecoverage as well, so oh yeah,
yeah, last year. Last yearit was interrupted because they had to
run and take Tank to the hospital. So hopefully it dosn't happen this year.
I mean, come on, ladies, Paul Hayman's here. You gotta
gotta stay stay healthy for a coupleof hours here. I know Paul Haymond

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likes blood, but come on,guys, I think it'll be fun.
So I'm looking forward to that obviously. You know, with NXT in the
works too, it's going to bevery full week and it's gonna be a
very interesting turnout to see how alot of these reporters and journalists and fans
start stacking the reactions to Sampunk's interview, because I've already gotten a few on
our timeline where they're already lamb blastinghim and lamb blasting I know it's lamb

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basting, but whatever, like lastingSeampunk because he had Nick Housman. Nick
Hausman was his his supporting journalists.What is he talking about. Let's not
compare, first off, the weightand the reach of a guy like Dave
Meltzer and Seaun Ross Sap to NickHouseman. No, and let's also not

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ignore the fact that the actual likeBrass and leadership in that company itself made
a concerted effort to fucking to fuckwith this guy, you know what I
mean. That's that is a bigpart of this. And yeah, like
I said, so many little fuckinghilarious jabs and takeaways and moments where you

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know, I'm sitting there and I'mjust yas queening away because God only knows,
this is just us hearing him say. It's just confirmation. Yeah,
at some point we got to have, you know what, We got to
have the experience of an average awfan listening to JD's show, you know
what I mean, Like it justwe get to hear our opinions kind of

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like barked back to us but ina different way. And that made that
was that made me feel good.So I get it now, I guess
to some extent, except we heardit from Ciam Punk, who's an influential
figure in professional wrestling for twenty yearsand probably knows more about wrestling than you
know, any of us could possiblyfathom. But we'd like to pretend he

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doesn't because it makes our bums hurt. But other than that, yeah,
I will say that this will probablybe the biggest thing of the week until
what Thursday. Yeah, till tillThursday night. Friday. Yeah yeah,
I'm sure. Uh. WrestleMania coverageand the pre show will start on Tuesday

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because they always go earlier and earlierevery year, the pre pre pre pre
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