GETS PISSED OFF GETS PISSED ON (Wrestling Soup 5.8.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Wrestling is fake because if Patrick Clark can't have pro wrestling,
I don't think anybody should. You know, they're going so
bars to compare me to Chris bin Waugh. Chris bin Waugh.
Chris bin Waugh is a killer. I'm not a killer,
but don't push me because if you push hard enough,
none of us can have pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's from souper.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm sure I wrestling soup everybody. I'm Anthony Thomas, and
he is Joseph.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
He numbers and we're back. And I will say there's
only been what one kind of breaking piece of news
as if today in terms of like funny shit.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh, there's a couple of things that slid through the radar.
It's not great. I mean, we got the Shatzi stuff,
and listening to Bud Dwyer or Bud Dyer whatever the
fuck he's called himself Baron Dyer, but yeah, he was
on Busted Open.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I guess he's.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Their new panelist or whatever. And just listening to him
talk to Shatzi, it's kind of like, man, you're really
giving her a whole bunch of nothing information. I don't
I don't know what's up with him. I mean, I
can play off some of that, but got that.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I saw that post it and I was like, I
can't listen to Baron Corbin talk. I just right, that's
a bridge too far for me. I just it's it's annoying,
it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's it's nothing. It's literally nothing. But then we also
got the osprey saying that he's better than anybody in WWE.
But I got to clarify that. I got to clarify
that because I have the whole interview clip as opposed
to just the snippet that everybody's thrown around like, there's
a couple pages to that.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So we have the whole story. Ah, yes, yes, And
what else do we have?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
We have Ricochet getting into more shit now with fucking
NXC talents trying to put them in their place, which
is now that.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I now, that to me is the news of the day.
That's an incredibly funny ship.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
To me, that is fun That is funny. But then
there's also velveteen Dream demanding that we apologize for the
way that we've talked about him in the past. That
to me is funny.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, I'm just glad that we have a new Billy
Jack Haynes for the next generation. True, very true. Yes,
and a diverse Billy Jacks.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I was gonna say, yes, he's a DEI Billy Jack Haynes.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's a spider Man reboot billy. Well, well, well, not
your typical Caucasian cocaine right wrestler. We've got somebody new
in the mix. And he's gay.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, we don't even know if he's gay because I
was listening to an interview that he did on YouTube
in response to apparently EC three and EC three Well

(03:08):
it was a weird. So what happened was, you know
what I could? I don't know if I want to
play it. Look, it's a while ago. It happened years ago.
Apparently him and EC three and a bunch of other
NXT people were at a party at EC three's house.
EC three got wrecked, but during the situation, velveteen Dream

(03:29):
was supposedly recording him and.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
He was filming people pissed. Right, Wasn't that the thing? Right?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And I think EC three thought he was gay and
it was in this video that he came out. He's like,
I'm not gay, dude, like at all I know, And
if you listen to the way that he holds this conversation.
One would immediately question that, but I digress because.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
He's because he's literally kissing a guy. Well, the whole
thing's happened whatever, I mean, what I know, it's the
year twenty twenty five. I gotta be worl.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well no, this was probably back in twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh okay, so then that's still exactly. You smooth your bros.
You just smoot your brain. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I often give you tongue kisses when we're not on air.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's well, I mean it's like the Freddie bruder one
through the microphone, suck out your soul, bitch. Yeah, oh yeah,
give me the tongue. Yeah, you know what. That to
me now has become the weirdest piece ducer which sorry Ricochet,
but velveteen dreamed now saying that was this new him.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, let me let me go through it, because we're
kind of jumping around here. I'm just bringing up there.
I'm just confused. Oh I know, it's it's like him.
I'm very confused but different. Oh yes, sorry, that was
the TMS noise. My goodness. Oh yeah, I didn't mean that.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Let me let me play a little bit of this,
let me find it. Okay, here we go and is
this thing on? Oh boy, that's how we started. He's
in his car.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Is this thing or something or on the back seat
of a cop car? Okay, so let me explain something
to everybody. First of all, to everyone who has sent
their well wishes, tell me why. The first thing I
see is EC three has talked to the dirt sheets.
I guess since I'm on TMZ now i'm somebody again.

(05:21):
EC three has gone to the dirt sheet saying that
if you haven't seen it, he had a party at
his house one night, and if I'm to be correct,
this was about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, EC three, And
I'm not going to tell people who was at this
party out of respect for our mutual friends.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
But one of our.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Mutual friends is a former NXT talent that no longer
works for the WWE, and the other person is a
current Monday Night Raw talent who used to wrestle talent
for NXT. Okay, Mike, EC three, you go out here
after I give you the best match you've ever had
in your entire career, you go out here and you

(06:01):
and you dirt I'm tired of people throwing dirt on
my name. You throw this dirt on my name saying
that I tried to record you in your bathroom. Let's
be honest, Mike. You're leaving out a lot of details.
What were we doing that night, Mike? What type of
powder was on the table?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Mike? Is it tablewed? Oh shit? Oh my bad? Sorry,
Wait a second. Yeah, So is he trying to say
we were doing cocaine? So it's okay for me to
film your penis? Yes, okay, that is his defense. Nailed it,
all right, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
This is a new defense. I believe it's the Connecticut defense.
I am very, very intrigued with this new law that
if there's cocaine on the table, everything is legal.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Don'st motherfucker spect me.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
So let's not leave out all the details. We were
all drunk.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You were pissy drunk because you were in your place,
your damn near passed out in the corner. You and
your homegirl, whichever chick you were screwing at the time, okay,
and the other two people, our mutual friends, were there.
I left my phone on your bathroom counter, and because
you were not sure of my sexuality at the time
because of the character I played on TV, and because

(07:18):
we're not friends in real life at all.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I'm not gay, no more. I don't like no more
like women.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
To me of recording you in your own home. So
what did I do?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I went to our mutual friend who no longer works
for the w WA former NXT talent, and I showed
him my phone and had him go through my photos
and videos and I recently deleted just to prove to
you and the other person that was there who because
I respect him and he has a job. Okay, I'm
not gonna put him out there. Okay. I had him

(08:04):
prove to you that I was not recording you. Cocaine
is a hell of a drug.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
You see.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Three, get your ship together, and if anyone would like kill,
go to my friend's list.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Rate Now I'm not yell no more. I am. I
don't like man, no more. I like women women. I
was like, I'm not young. I would not fail man,
I wouldn't not car part, I would not put on

(08:36):
make up. I will I will love O women love woman.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Sorry, that's that.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Listen, man, we were bothing, we're boing coke.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You weren't sure this, so I tongue kissed you and
proved that I wasn't makes perfect sense, makes perfect sense, yes,
And I.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Said, hey, hey, pel about you. How about you let
me lay Trenisi and feel you're peeing over me? And
he was like you three, was like, I'm e C
three not e c P. Put the music mission, turn
around and tell those people.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, tell.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'm not gay, no more.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I am.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I am delivered like man, no more like women, women,
I'm not gay. I was not a man. I would
not carry a part.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh make up.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I will, Oh women, I'm a kid. Dream Are you
so so much? Oh dude, are you controlling your narrative
right now? Yeah? I am. I'm controlling my narrative. But
Veale Dreamer control your narrative. Hey, it's okay to film

(10:16):
people's dicks if you're both high on coke. That's right now.
That's now, that's controlling your narrative.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I do agree that is uh as a smart way
to fucking that. That is a smart defense anyway. So
he goes on right like he's got other stuff going on.
He did an interview with CVV, but this was on Instagram.
I don't know exactly when he said this. When it
took place, but velveteen Dream demands an apology and says

(10:43):
it's time to bring him back to WWE. Obviously, he
was released back in May twenty one. Serious allegations surrounding
him recently took him to social media to urge fans
to demand his return to WWE. Quote, is that how
is that how it works? Well, you all owe me

(11:03):
an apology for dragging me through the mud, knowing that
five years later, here I stand still free and without
a single charge.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
But I get it.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's very hard for people to admit when they wrong
and malicious. But hey, that's wrestling for you. If you
love me like you say you love me. The bosses,
Triple H, HBK pay attention to social media. It's simple.
Send your messages to Triple H and WWE.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
And they will hear you.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
We can make enough noise to drown out the lies
and the hate. So he did an interview with Chris
van Vliet where he talked to it to Chris and
and I see it if I could pull up the
actual interview, But basically he talked about well, he apologized
Triple H, he apologized HBK, But he still feels like

(12:01):
the dirt sheets and the podcasts owe him an apology
because he is truly a changed individual. He is much Yeah, no,
he's much better now. He's never been a problem. Never
Mind the fact that he was in a cop car
kicking a cop in the back seat. Never Mind the
fact that he was pulled over during a traffic stop,

(12:24):
lied to the cops about having drugs on him while
another cop literally watched him snort a fucking eighth of
cocaine up his nose before the other cop got done
running his records. Never Mind the fact that any of
the instigations or any of the proclivities that may have
happened with younger, younger gentle people online never went into investigation.

(12:48):
So yeah, no, we're all wrong. We're all wrong, and
none of that stuff ever happened. There's nothing behind it.
And everybody just didn't like velveteen Dream, which is insane.
It's fucking insane because I think a lot of us,
especially before all this stuff started spiraling out of control,

(13:09):
And never mind having apparently cocaine parties with EC three
and other nxt people. But I won't say that either,
even though we just heard him from his own mouth,
right right, Yes, it's weird that he fell so far.
I think anytime you bring up velveteen Dream, it always
seems like it's a common response. Man, that guy could

(13:31):
have made it. Man, that guy could have been something.
Holy shit, Has anybody seen a bigger waste of fucking talent?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And you know what, I would agree with you with
some extent match, but I think you still do owe
him an apology? Oh I do? Ah, oh, and and mish.

(14:08):
The terrible thing about that cham clip is it's going
to turn him on. Oh I might. Yeah, it's a
twofold problem. Alright, Oh Jesus, yep, yep, now you get
I'm sorry, perfect are sorry? All right now? He's good,

(14:42):
all right now, okay, now, apologize to the cop. He
didn't kick the car.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Even people that wanted to believe that velveteen Dream was
okay and maybe the kid was wrong and maybe that
communication was wrong, he still ended up being a fucking
psychopath outside of it.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
W W E. I don't know, man, Well can we
disagree to this? Though to some extent? You've never wanted
to try to bite a guy at a gym and
then beats the shit out of a cop.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Really, you know what I mean, you've never wanted to
do that, not once. I mean, you've never been in
a gym and the guy's like, hey, we're closing soon,
and you're like, I'm gonna bite your fucking face. You
never thought that. No, man, it's a new thing. It's
a new thing for me.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'll get there eventually, one day, I'll learn.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a little it's kind
of gym culture, you know what I mean. Yeah, I
don't know if you've seen the reels on Instagram to
talk about threatening to bite employees faces.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, so yeah, no, this is what he said during
the CVV interview, Just just to clarify because I wasn't
sure when that quote took place, but yeah, no, literally today.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So you allow me an apology. That's kind of that's
so fucking like that it's kind of great, do you
know what I mean? Like, it's so fucked up that
you hear that, you're like, oh, this guy is truly cuckoo,
Like this is yeah, this isn't a situation where you
look at it you just go, oh, this is kind

(16:14):
of just like a guy who's sad and he got
too into partying. Because this is another one, wwe got
him too fucking young? Yep, I mean, what was he
nineteen twenty years old? Another one where they picked some
kid who'd barely been out of high school for a
year and a half, brought him to Orlando and was like, Hey,
would you like to come to our fucking drug party

(16:36):
where you get put over for how amazing and brilliant
you are constantly now, don't get an ego or anything,
And they do that and then these kids get all
fucked up. If that was the case, I would feel
somewhat of a level of sympathy somewhere, the littlest bit,
maybe the little list bit, aside from the creepy kids shit,
even the littlest bit. But then for him to be like, well,

(17:00):
it turns out you're all cuckoo. Well here's the follow up,
the normal one. It's like here here was his follow up.
So his follow up was hashtag we want the Dream
and he tagged I guess triple H and w W
in it and he said, ain't been on TV in
five years and still talking about me, better promo, better body,

(17:23):
and better work rate than all of your favorites still
on TV. Let's top John I'm sorry. Yes, that's what
I'm saying. We do exactly exactly. I don't remember the
last time I brought up velveteen Dream. It's such he's
such a sad state of affairs. We don't bring him up.
Nobody brings him up. Yeah, it's sad. It's like talking

(17:47):
about somebody like it's like talking about somebody's pet who
passed away. It's depressing as shit. It's like talking about
a dead animal. Shiiteah, Like it's like, oh man, oh yeah,
remember when we used to go and we go to
the park and and for him to say, like once again,

(18:07):
to go back to just like obviously fucked up, obviously delusional,
obviously not in touch with reality. Like you said, everyone
was rooting for that kid, right, everyone was rooting for him.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I remember making comparisons that this guy was like the
new Larry Sweeney. There was a lot of there was
a lot of positivity coming out of velveteen Dream. When
he broke onto the scene, it is so silly, it's like,
give it up, give it up. What Tony Khan didn't
even hire this motherfucker? How bad do you have to

(18:43):
be that Tony? Tony Khan was probably worried that he
would snort all his wheat or his table wheat. But
oh yes, I was both his coke and his wet
Yeah you can both. Oh dude, That to me is like, Okay,
you're allows your own opinion, but you're not allowed your
own reality.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
You know what I mean. That's there is no reality
to somebody saying oh yes, and then everybody was praying
on his downfall. No, everyone was fucking sad when that happened.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
It's as silly as the John Cena promo where he's
out there talking about all the fans deserted me and
didn't like me.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's like, what whatever is that why every single time
you weren't on a house show it sold thousands of
West tickets? Is that why they all hated you so
much that they refused to go to shows that when
you weren't there, Like, I don't know, it's it's yeah,
it's blowney, Like I said, it's it gives people this

(19:41):
impression where they're going, well, you're not going to ever
take responsibility for your shit. You're never going to get
another shot in the wrestling business. Like you just you
gotta move on. Oh, this guy has to just give up.
It's done. It's sad, but that's what happens now. If
it was nineteen ninety six, you'd probably still have a job,
believe it or not, But in twenty twenty five, not

(20:04):
so much.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, Joe, you brought up a key point there that
segues to our next story. When you're talking about wrestling
in front of thousands of less fans.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
A fan on twitter x wrote that NXT star Javon
Evans quote is the best young prospect in wrestling end quote,
and Ricochet from AAW responded by stating that he would
squash Evans quote. Evans said, my bad. I just got
done training at the Performance Center under Shawn Michaels, something

(20:37):
that you don't have or do. But I bet your
brown egghead ass would squash me if Tony told you
to much love OG hashtag the young OG, hashtag tupac
of this generation, to which Ricochet responded. Rick Achet said, brother,
I was learning from Sean Michaels when you was like twelve,

(21:01):
then went on to become a multi time champion. Let
me know when you win one, little boy, And yeah,
if Tony asked me, I definitely beat your ass huh. Also,
just by simply mentioning my name, this is your most
engaged with post. You're welcome for the exposure. Kid, and

(21:22):
Evans responded, he said, you learned from HBK when I
was twelve and became a multi time champion. Now you're
wrestling in front of two thousand people every week for
a crackhead. Talk about an upgrade?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Am I right?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Sounds like mister Kahn hasn't giving you enough attention, so
you had to come for a successful ass young and
one hundred. You're giving me the most views on my post,
and I'm finally helping you get the most attention you've
ever had in your career.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
All love.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Ricochet then, because he just has to have the last word, says,
how many people does the PC hold? Baha ha ha ha,
But keep up the energy. It makes you look cool,
and that's when he jumped the shark.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
What how many people does the PC hold? That's what
he said. Yeah, I don't get why.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think it's a shot on the audience.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh because of oh because of NXT the actual gotcha right? Okay?
I thought he meant like, it is not a big
deal for you to be at the performance center for second.
Oh he means the life sing there? Okay, yeah, well,
I mean there's also this difference too. He is fifteen
years younger than Rick, So yeah, whish that's like another
thing I want to make sure, like people get out

(22:45):
of this whole interaction as well. Isn't that kid like
twenty oh yeah, no, he's a young guy? What is Yeah?
What hold is Javana Evans? Javan? I think is like, yeah,
twenty or twenty one? That's that's kind of the thing,
Like he's a fucking prodigy. Yes, twenty one?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, god, and not only just twenty one, just turned
twenty one less than a couple of weeks ago. Jesus, Like,
is he is a young twenty one?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes? Yeah, he can't. He can never, not ever forget
because he doesn't remember. That's how young he is, right,
you know what I mean? Wow, that's fucking well, dude,
Ricochet is what fifteen years older than him, and that's
his thing? Now, I mean, come on, dude, enough, Ricochet
is thirty six. Yeah, he's thirty six years old and

(23:35):
he's arguing with the twenty one a kid who just
turned twenty one years old on Twitter. You know what
I mean, he's like, oh, is that why you're wrestling.
It's like when you were twenty one, you were wrestling
ice cream coats. Shut the fuck up, dude, what do
you right? Quite literally, you were wrestling ice creams lost
ice creams. Yes, of course, you were wrestling with the

(23:56):
straight up Autistic Wrestling Federation. Okay, that you were doing
your wrestling Shikara really was?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It was?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yes, it was. And I'm not even saying that as
a pejorative. I'm just saying for you to be like, oh,
you're wrestling and a performance center. It's like you were
wrestling guys dressed as aunts. We were coming out to
Dave Matthews band. He had to take the low guard.
No one gared.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
He had to take a man named Mike Quackenbush. Seriously, kid, you.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Were oh kidding, Well, he's five years longer than me,
so I guess I can call ricochet kid. Kid, you
were trained by Chuck Taylor. Let's relax. Let's relax. You're
talking to somebody who had, by the point they're at,
has done way more than you fucking did.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Can we also stop with this shit too? Like I
don't understand the whole preface of this is so attention hungry. Right,
A literal fan was praising Javon evans work. That is
what started all of this. A fan out of nowhere said,
I like Javon Evans. He is one of my favorites.

(25:12):
Coming up and Rickards, She's like, but but but what
about me?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's what this is. Yeah, it's pathetical.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's fucking absolutely pathetic. What are you doing, seriously, Richard?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm playing a character on Twitter, so.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
People aren't allowed to like other wrestlers unless they're you
fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And by the way, if somebody was to present it
as like, oh no, he's playing a character and it's
a k fab or whatever the fuck it is, it's like, for.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Who right for they're not going to have a match.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, this isn't this isn't showing up on Collision right
right now? Well now there might be some sort of
mention of it on Dynamite because he dared to insult
the boy king, so that might be mentioned again. Well
guess what, Yvonne, when you're fired and you won't be
allowed to wrestle here with me, It's like he's like, yeah,
that's fine. If I ever got let go, I just

(26:09):
go to TNA, so fucking shut up, dude. It's so
fucking embarrassing. I don't understand the people that are watching
this Ricochet thing and going, yeah, he's doing the best
work of his career, right, this is so good, this
is working so well. It's just such a weird reach though. Man.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Like, Look, it's one thing if you're playing with somebody,
but I mean I don't. I don't think they know
each other like that. And even more so, even if
they do, what a weird way to strike. Right, Like,
if if Javon Evans was in character saying something silly
about aw and Ricochet sounded off, I'd be like, Okay,

(26:51):
Ricochet is just being damaged control. He's being team player guy.
But literally, it was a fan just saying I like,
Javon Evans.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
How dare you? How are you like? Dude. I'll get
on here and I'll make fun of fucking young guys
that are working a n XT or the indies or whatever.
I'll be like, yeah, this sucks and this isn't good
or whatever the fuck it is. But I'm not someone
who at this point in my life or has ever
been in my wrestling tenure to where someone should be like, man,

(27:21):
you need to be setting a good example, like no,
I don't have to fucking do man. I never had
to do that, right, do you know what I mean?
That was never my responsibility, that was never my place.
But for Ricochet, for him to be like, eh, this
twenty one year old kid sicks, he's not as good
as me. It's like you're coming off like a fucking
yeah what a fifteen years younger too? Man? Yeah, fuck man,

(27:46):
Which that says somebody was to be like, well, he
shouldn't have responded to him, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Honestly, honestly, the best way he could respond to that
to that fan, if he had to put himself and
interject himself in the situation, it would have been a
funnier of exchange if he would have just turned around
and said, Hey, one day this kid'll be as good
as me, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Ron said that to Ricochete. That would have been fun.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, no, either way either way. Actually it would have
been fun, you know what I mean. But the way
that this came out was just like, dude, why are
you clutching your pearls so fucking hard?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
This is a guy.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Look and I'm not saying that he won't, but javonn.
Evans isn't even at the point yet where he has
to be seen as a main event guy. He's not
even at the point where he's on mainstream WWE television.
This is really punching down for the sake of punching down,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
This is no you know what, that's actually one of
the very fair times for somebody to use that analogy
in the situation that he is technically, yes, he is
punching down at this kid. Yeah, because he doesn't he
doesn't run like I like, we're saying he doesn't really
know this dude. Yeah, he's just some kid figuring shit out.

(29:03):
And by the way, and by the way, like, let
me tell you this, after watching that fucking last NXD
pay per view from the weekend for WrestleMania and that
main event with him and ob Femi and the trick was, Yeah,
those three guys have more potential than about eighty percent
of the aw roster. And I'm being cheeky by only

(29:23):
saying eighty So please keep that in mind too.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like, oh and Drew YARDI says, of course, mish well,
he was also in the main event of Standing Deliver.
And I'm not taking that away, but I'm just saying, like,
he is so young in his career that if in
two years he decides to leave wrestling entirely and go
be a lawyer or something, he can't If he leaves
wrestling in two years and decides, you know what, I'm

(29:49):
gonna try and train for football or the Olympics or something,
he can, Like he is at such a pivot stage
in his not just his career, in his life that
he can still go out and do anything he wants,
right Like.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
This guy could. This guy could. Technically he's so young
right now within the wrestling business. He could wrestle at
the Royal Rumble WrestleMania, he could wrestle in multiple countries.
He could go all these different fucking places, wrestle with WWE,
and still not even be able to legally rent a
car by the time he's ready to be done. Yeah,
you have to be twenty five. Yeah, twenty five years

(30:27):
old to rent a fucking car. You'd be like, oh,
because someone please help me runt a car.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
He needs somebody to sign to co sign so he
could have an apartment right now.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, that's how young the student is. And that's where
like with Ricochet, even even in gimmick, even in character,
like you said, there's never going to be a payoff
with this. There's not going to be a match. There's
no money to be made.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
What are they gonna do in fifteen years, joey E
they're going to bring it up when they're both in
WWE again. Yeah, right, what he's saying, Remember fifteen years
ago you made fun of me on Twitter? What what's Twitter?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh? Acts? Yeah, what's that? When it's bought out by
another billionaire and they rename it? They rename it? Oh yeah,
the artist formerly known as twitter x. Yeah, no, dude,
it's cringey. And honestly, all this is for is for
dudes like us to fucking the app about it. It's content.

(31:24):
Which with that being said, like thank you Ricochet. I'll
say thank you to him because anytime he acts like
a fucking goofball, it gets us some good views. I
do appreciate that. I'm thankful that he does that for us. However,
maybe just maybe as a man that's closer to forty,

(31:46):
leave leave the kids alone, Leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Velveteen Dream, Hit It Hit it velveteen, It's it's a
it's really it's really weird too, because I just I
I have enjoyed Ricoshet in the past, I've enjoyed a
w stuff, and I'm not a huge fan of his
aw direction stuff. But this really is nauseating to see
coming from him because it doesn't come off as a character.

(32:12):
It comes off as I say that this is k
fabe in order to get away with doing innocuous shit, right,
you know what I mean, Like he's using the pro
wrestling moniker as a as a band aid as opposed
to actually working on his character, because you don't see
this type of action on AW. Is he going around

(32:33):
trolling Bobby Lashly? Is he going around trolling Tony Shiavani?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah? Goodnoight, yes, no, he's not right. He's not messing
around with anybody who can actually see face to face. Right.
But no, that's also another level of it two where
you just look at it and you go, this is
just goofy, This is just annoying. This does nothing for
him when you once again take into account there's not
a nickel to be made by doing this, right, It

(32:59):
doesn't help anything. It doesn't do anything. Just so like
people understand this, and just so people know this. And
I've talked a million times about why I don't bother
with so many of these fucking stupid sites is because
all it is is mentally ill people yelling at each other,
and it won't make you a dime, right, That's that's why.
It's just like, hey, do you want to just have

(33:19):
mentally ill people yell at you all day? You're like,
not really, and they're like, well, you can do that
and it makes But here's the kicker, it doesn't make
you a dime. Does that sound fun? Do you want
to do that? It makes you no money, and it
stresses you out, and it makes things annoying for you.
And sometimes people are just really fucking scary too. Sometimes
they're gonna try to kill you for fun. Do you

(33:41):
want to do that? Does that sound like a joy?
And it's like, it doesn't fucking do anything, It doesn't
do anything for you. And yes, it's the year of
once again twenty twenty five, the year of our fucking Lord.
Where if he thinks that being a social media troll
is a gimmick, I'm like, brother, I got news for you.

(34:01):
That line is a mile long, not even that that
fucking line wraps around the sun. Yeah, oh but look
I'm saying things to piss people off on a social
media platform.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's like, so you're lame, bland, Kevin Nash fantastic.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Not even Kevin Nash d go run run through the list,
and not even in wrestling, run through everything, where it's
just people who their entire fucking thing is just it's
that noise, it's that and written form. Right, you think this,
but and you think that's gonna do anything for you,

(34:45):
I don't know. The guy's a chold.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
On a good note, I actually got a chance to
listen to Stephanie McMahon's podcast. She she put up another
one today, What's Your Story? And I listened on YouTube,
like I think they have it on all platforms and stuff.
But this week's guest she had on was Bianca Blair
and much.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
We're gonna say hopefully that's not velveteen drinking.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Oh my god, so much better than the fanatics guy, Like, look,
no offense to that dude, but that was a boring
ass fucking interview. This one was a lot better actually,
And once again I know that WWE Michael Cole was
even pushing Stephanie's places on Monday to check that out
on ESPN Plus.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But that sucks.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'm sorry. It just doesn't compare to the way that
she carries herself on the one on one podcast. And
she had her co host there and they opened it
up by fucking pouring out pouring tequila. So you knew
it was gonna be a good episode because they literally
in the first thirty seconds just start cracking open tequila
and drink it. I'm like, oh, right, here we go,

(35:48):
Stephanie McMahon on tequila, and they get Beyonca Blair out
and she's dressed up, dressed to the nines, and they
really so like they covered a lot right, Like, I
guess I didn't know how much of a seamstress that
Bianca Belair was, but she she kind of opened up
about it that she's been doing it since she was
six years old. She makes all of her clothes, not

(36:12):
just the in ring stuff. She makes clothes, her casual outfits,
like her regular data day. That's wild to me. She
makes Monteza's clothes, she makes what's his name Angelo's clothes,
she made Sasha's gear like, She's made a ton of
fucking gear in WWE, not including once again her her

(36:35):
regular just walk down the street clothes, which is wild
to me that, oh, instead of buying a pair of
blue jeans, how about I just make one?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Like the fuck man, it's crazy. Well, well, you know what,
not only a is that an insanely fucking impressive talent
for somebody to have nowadays, but also talk about a
useful talent for someone to have when they have incredibly
unique dimensions like she does. Where it's like she's short
and jacked and has like she had muscles on muscles

(37:05):
and muscles, it's probably hard for her to find clothes.
She's also like, fuck it, I'll just make something sick.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
She talked about that too, like when everybody else was
out in colleges partying and shit, she was at home
doing crunches. She was the ad girl. She would just
work out. She was doing a thousand crunches every fucking morning.
So it's like she she lived a very I don't
want to say it purreed in lifestyle, but she made
it very clear that when she was in college and
everybody else was out having a good time, she was
buckling down hard. And so a couple of things came up,

(37:33):
like how did she eventually get into the WWE, and
Stephanie is being more of an interviewer in this one.
She shared a little bit, especially when they started talking
about their husbands and stuff, which I thought was really sweet.
But you know, she was talking about her inspirations like
as a kid, She's like, I didn't really watch WWE.
My brother had their mouth, that's all he watched. Because

(37:54):
I guess her older brother was a huge stone Cold
mark and his time came, like she talked about it
later when he absolutely found that moment when I guess
there was at WrestleMania. They had on one of the
buses a picture of Stone Cold and Bianca Blair standing
next to each other, and I guess that floored him,
which is a pretty cool moment for your sibling to

(38:15):
see you. But her inspirations into wrestling blew my mind
because on one hand, it was her mom that would
watch Total Divas and it was her and her brother
watching wrestling and she.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Fell in love with gold dust. Gold Dust was her
inspiration to get into wrestling. Oh wow, Yeah I didn't.
That was a wild one.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I'm like, wow, man, Like I don't even know if
Dustin knows this, and I'm sure by tonight or whenever,
somebody's probably tagged him by that. But she's like, yeah,
she was completely enamored with him, with the outfits and
everything else. Like, oh, that makes sense because gold Dust
was pretty immaculate when he came out there, especially in
the beginning.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, there's there's always something in wrestling, at least from
that era, I mean now still, I'm sure there's people
that are catching their eyes, right, but like if you're
just the young person where you see something like wow,
nobody looks like that. Oh, nobody does that. That's such
a fucking character. And truthfully, to some extent, yes, some

(39:18):
of that gets drowned out a little bit by the
Internet because you're constantly exposed to characters and different creative
shit and people coming up with whatever. But yeah, I'm
sure at that time there were people that were just
tuning in and going, oh my god, what the fuck it?
Now it feels almost so I don't want to say,
like a trope or generic.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, jump the shark a little bit, sure, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, but like at the time, no one saw shit
like that, nobody, right.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
No, it was absolutely and even the stuff they did
with Booker T was special. That is one thing I'll
say about Dustin Rhodes, especially when he was as gold
dustin WWE, that man could adapt to any situation. When
when it came time for him to be the villain,
this effeminate wrestler, he did a great job at that,
even when he had was a Marla they called her

(40:06):
Marla back then. Yeah, And it's like, even the stuff
that he did with Booker T as a comedy character,
he was great. He was fucking great at that too,
Like he was able to adapt no matter what the
situation was. I mean, Jesus, even if you go back
to the early days when he was Dustin with fucking Dusty,
it's just Dustin is a very talented guy.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
So I thought it was really.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Interesting that she came forward and said, yeah, gold Dust
was was one of the people that really enamored me
about w WE. Like I watched all of his stuff
and I was like, wow, Okay, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
And total.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Total divas was because her mom was really into the
wrestling girls all fighting on the TV shows, and so
she's a reality TV junkie, so of course she's going
to get into that. But she she gave a huge
nod to Nicki and Brie, so she was a Nicky
and Brie fan too. It's just it's it's interesting because
when you look at Bianca Blair, or at least the

(41:01):
way I look at Beyonca Blair, she's such a solid athlete.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
There was another part which was kind of funny because
Stephanie's podcast has an attachment to fanatics, right. She obviously
had the CEO on to talk and they even have
his like branding at the bottom, So WWE is connected
to this podcast, even though it doesn't feel like it sometimes.
And so I think Stephanie was going for the hey,
we got a big surprise for you thing, and so

(41:28):
she asks Bianca. She's like, oh, well, who's your favorite
athlete growing up? And she's like, flo Jo. I loved
flo Jo was obviously she's a track star herself. She
looked up if the flo Jo Flojo was an example
for her because she was making the comparisons between Bianca
and Sasha being these the first black women to be
a major part of Rustlemania and everything else, which was

(41:50):
absolutely true. And so I think Stephanie was expecting her
to ask for a T shirt or maybe like some
kind of special jacket that she or something that only
fanatics could get her. Fucking Biyanco Blair towards ronic goes,
I want a nail. I want one to Flow Joe's nails.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like fingernails.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, like a fingernail, because I guess Flow really took
care of her nails and did like a lot of
designs on it and shit. And it's just such a
left field thing to ask for because it's absolutely part
of the culture in a lot of ways. But I
thought it was funny because Stephanie's reaction was like, Ah,
I don't know fanatics has one.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Oh you know what? Do you know what's funny about
that is if you don't explain that part of it,
it's like, oh no, it's like a big part of
her that is almost kind of terrifying. Yeah, but it's
like who was your favorite basketball player? It's like, I
really like Sean Kemp.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Well, it's not like she was asking for like a
lock of hair or nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
And I cannot give me one of his baby get
me one of on gems baby gees.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Wait what, I fucking loved it, dude. I thought it
was such a throw throw out question it was it
was good. Her response to it was good. They also
talked about their husbands and you know how much Montes
pushes her. She also opened up about how they've been
married for seven years and that they discussed her relationship
with Montes talking about the story about how they met

(43:23):
and then to Ford was the romantic one between them,
so she didn't approach it all. It was all Montes Ford.
Montese Ford rizzed up Bianca Blaire into marriage.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, and no shit, why why?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Oh there you go fucking casuals. Heads up there, there's
their nails. Dude, like, yeah, it's it's a major Yeah,
it's a branding for sure. I just thought that was
such a cool fucking thing for to throw out.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Okay, that makes a lot more sense now if you
think about it. Yeah, yeah, it makes a lot more sense.
That's like if you like Larry Johnson and you were like,
I want one of his Grandmama's blue moves, right, Yeah,
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I don't remember, but they talked about where it comes first,
and quote she said, so we recently just froze our
embryo for that exact reason to buy me a little
bit more time and give me a little more peace
of mind. So she talked about freezing her embryos so
she can continue wrestling, so that she could have babies
down in the future. I thought that was an amazingly

(44:29):
private thing to just open up publicly about. But good
for fucking her, man. So she is absolutely business oriented.
She wants to have babies, but she's freezing her embryos
to have it down in the future.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Like, that's what I'm saying. People are sleeping on this silly,
fucking Stephanie McMahon podcast.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
But it was.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
It was really deep, like all the fucking the ladies
got into some depth. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It's fun, dude. I actually genuinely.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Look forward to the next episode that they have. They
have good chemist like Stephanie's a good interviewer. She approaches
Bianca at points like the boss, which even though she's not,
she will always be the boss of every wrestler that
comes through those doors, period. But at other points she

(45:16):
was coming at her like a mother, coming at her
like a wife.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
She's very engageable. I just love the way that you
look at her on Stephanie's places, and it's like reading
off of a teleprompter. And you look at her here
on What's Your Story, and she's just kind of talking
off the cough. And by the way, this week, Stephanie
was showing a little leg So if you're a Stephanie legman,

(45:41):
there was some legs on it, even though she didn't shave.
Supposedly she didn't shave. I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I just bad to the bone. No, I mean, it
does make sense for her to have her do an
interview show with the women in the company. Oh anybody,
I don't care. Oh no, no, But I'm saying, like
that's probably where, if you think about it, she's going
to get the most honest talk out of a lot
of them. Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Like you

(46:08):
know what, Yeah, they can talk to Chris Vanvels late
or whatever the fuck, and he's gonna get them. He's
going to give him this Prince Eric fucking winky face
and all that. But like, you're not gonna get a
conversation from him that you're gonna get from a woman
older than them who's bordering on a motherly figure almost.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I mean, there was another point where they were talking
about making their husbands proud of them, and she talked
about how Montez was so proud of her, but she
won the championship. She even talked about the point where
her dad tried to jump the rail at rustle Mania,
and Stephanie immediately got worried. She's like, did security take
him out?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And Bianca.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Bianca's like almost, and she's like, oh, we'll have to
find video of that. And they played the video in
the middle and yeah, he jumped halfway over. There was
somebody standing over there going, don't do it, don't do it.
And then because they didn't know who he was, like,
security doesn't, but there was somebody that it's Bianca's dad, relaxed,
don't don't kill him, please hammer.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I gotta say I do love the idea of just
her having conversations with some of these people, predominantly wrestlers,
where they're able to get some of this ship out
of them. And honestly, this is something that I'm sure
the smart younger fans or whomever, they're just like, this

(47:31):
is not going to work for them. This isn't going
to resonate with them. They're not interesting. It's not for them.
It's not this.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
This wasn't like there was she talked about her her
nieces and nephews. Stephanie talked of Okay, so her nieces
and nephews are kind of funny because they call her
uncle Binko and she doesn't know why the hell these
kids call her uncle Binko, right Like, She's like, I've
been trying to figure it out. I don't I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
They call me that. Don't let Bo Dallas hear that name.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
And Stephanie's like, oh, well, that's a door horrible. How
young are they?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And I just wanted Bianca to go thirty thirty two
seven No, but it was it was cute.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
There was a story to where Stephanie told when they
were talking about making their husbands proud, that Stephanie and
Stephanie wrestled against Ronda with triple H and stuff like that,
and the rock that all Stephanie wanted to do was
not fuck this up, like she was so nervous because
she hadn't been in the ring in forever, etcetera, et cetera,
which we all knew what it was like. I mean,
I think we even kind of poop pooed on the match.

(48:30):
But for whatever it was, at the end of its
Triple H was the romantic guy, and he turned round
to Stephanie. He said, is there anything that you can't do?
And apparently that fucking melted her, like instant rizzed Stephanie McMahon,
because that's what she needed. She needed somebody to.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Say that, and she's got that New Hampshire. Yeah, is
there anything that you can't do? Baby?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Like man, Stephanie was there feeling good about herself, and
apparently there was somebody in the front row that said
some real heinous shit about Stephanie, to the point that
Triple H jumped over the fucking rope and went out
to the to the barricade. Now I don't recall any
of this, but apparently this is somewhat true, and apparently

(49:14):
got into the face of this guy who was saying
whatever he was saying about Stephanie and had that dude
thrown out, and then all three of them sat there.
I was like, oh, man came to business like fucking
Beyonca's like, see, that's nice that he wouldn't let somebody,
even in characters, say.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Shit like that about you. But it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
I was like, wow, this is this is so heartwarming
to hear this side of Triple H and Stephanie's relationship.
It was really a heartwarming show to hear about the
way Montez treated her, about Bianca's life and shit like.
It really was a great podcast. I'm definitely gonna go
back and listen to it again. It was a lot
of fun. And I know you guys busted my balls

(49:52):
about listening to it during WrestleMania weekend, and I deserve that.
But I'm telling you, from the variations of this podcast
and the video cast and whatever else, this one is good.
What's your story is worth the listen?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I'm telling you give it a shot. Well, I can
almost guarantee it's better than anything. But Baron Corbin.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Oh Jesus yeah. Baron Corbin. On the other hand, Holy shit.
David Greca has made it his goal to just hire
some of these cast offs. And I don't know why
he's hiring Baron Corbin to be his left on this,
but he did an interview with Shatzi. Shotzi just recently
got the stick pretty much. She's gone from the company.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
There was a few things that came from the interview
that were interesting but kind of said in a way,
so like one of the things that she talked about
was the fact that they gave her a new entrance.
They built her up, They started with promos and vignettes,
and then they just pulled the rug out from underneath
her and then didn't respond to her. And I think

(50:54):
she felt a lot of confusion at that because on
the surface, she's working with all these people that are
getting her ready for a big royal rumble and everything
else like that, and then they just pulled it right
out afterwards. And I wonder, and maybe you can explain
this to me too, because I'm a little lost at
that that idea, because explaining it from the way that

(51:14):
she said it, it was almost like they're getting ready
to give her the run or a run. And what
makes the company stop dead faced and then just kind
of cold just leave you out in the cold. They
don't return calls for weeks until your contract is up.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm gonna go on a lib And guess it was
one of those situations where they're gonna give you a
lot and see what you do, and if they're not impressed,
they go, well there you go.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, But they didn't give her that though they were
giving her it was almost the pre to that it
was the prelimit to that they were giving her okay,
or or they saw enough of.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
It, or they were like, is this the best we
have or is this what they think makes the most sense,
And then they're looking at it and they're going, did
you say worth the squeeze here? That's just my guess,
do you know what I mean? But it would be
comparable too, and I'm trying to find some sort of
example that would fit with it. Maybe something along the
lines of like a music label would be like, okay, guys,

(52:18):
or your last two albums shit to bed, get in there,
make an EP, record four songs, right, and they go
and they record the four songs and they're like, yeah, man,
we really killed them. And then you listen to them
and they're like, yeah, these suck. Just okay.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
My brain was going in a different direction. So okay,
you're saying that they heard it, they saw what they
did with Shatzi and they were unimpressed, and that's why
they cut her off and let her walk or let
her papers run out. I thought the only reason they
would cold call her like that is they found something
that they didn't like, or she said or did something
that the company's like, no, fuck this, We're not dealing

(52:57):
with this shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
It could be it could be a couple. I mean,
it could be multiple problems in that situation. I mean,
let's also we're all being very nice to this woman.
To Shatzi. She was not particularly good in any way,
shape or form as a performer. She really was not.
She was good when she hosted the Spooky Halloween Special

(53:19):
once a year, and she had a nice I guess
digestible gimmick with the little tank, and she had a
good look. She looked like she was ready for TV,
and the aesthetic was cool and it was neat, and
I think she got a lot of leeway because of that.
A lot of people saw that and was like, oh,
it's cool. Well she's cute and she's unique, and she
looks like she's somebody that should be on TV, so

(53:42):
let's give this a go. Then she was around for
four years. I think she almost killed herself six times
in the ring, accidentally doing stupid shit, probably got hurt
a couple of times, and it just got less cute,
do you know what I mean? Sure, Yeah, it's almost
as easy as that. And I don't think I'm saying
that to try to be like a complete asshole and
say like, oh, it's your fucking worst blah blah blah.

(54:04):
I'm just it's it's a niche whatever. Like when when
you're a gimmick a look or something specific like that
and not much more of anything else. Then yeah, it
gets old and it goes, it gets stale.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
One more piece of news before we get onto backlash predictions.
We got, well, actually a couple of things. First off,
apparently Random House wants to publish this book is all elite,
A definitive history on AW.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yes, yes, a definitive history. Yeah, that was This is
this going to contain all of the information that we're
restricted from NDA's because.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Well, I think it's going to be a very hatchet
job version of the definitive history of AW. It is
not going to be a comprehensive history of AW. It's
going to be and then Chris.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Jericho was awesome and cool and over the the whole time.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
The end, it's going to be a very redacted version
of AW history. The Young Bucks came and they were
the best the end. Keith Elliot Greenberg, He's done a
few books before as the author on this The Book
Is All Elite is a celebration of the icons of
professional wrestling. This is the fucking the runner of professional

(55:21):
wrestling who created All of thee Wrestling, a company that
revolutionized pro wrestling under the visionary i of Tony Kahan.
From the company's unassuming beginnings in twenty nineteen to the
record breaking Wembley Stadium debut, aw's pulse pounding, death defying,
and high flying actions defied industry norms and change the

(55:42):
world of professional wrestling forever. Illustrated with dazzling photography and
written with exclusive access to the cast and crew of AAW,
this Book Is All Elite is a definitive history of
AW that delves into an innovative storytelling. From the triumphant
final run of the icon sting side by side with

(56:02):
this firebrand protege Darby Allen, to the mad cap melee
of the first stadium Starpede, readers will experience epic moments
that to find the first five years of AW.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Cann't they just find all that out on the internet
with a podcast. I mean, I'm not even being a dick.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
That's oh no, no, it's really there's there's so much.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Fucking audio and video and other shit about. It's like, no,
what I want to do is read. I want to
read the corporatized, sanitized version of the thing. Yep, you
know what I mean. That's what It's like. All of
this shit happened in real time, and you have access
to all of the information. This is not when someone

(56:51):
goes and reads a book in the year twenty fifteen,
even where they go, oh, I'm going to read its
like the territories in the nineteen seventies or eighties or something.
It's like, shit, I couldn't find out all that information
on my lonesome, right, I couldn't just piece that together.
It's like, yeah, dude, it's technically still happening. So it's
like the history of it's like, there's no history here.

(57:13):
We can just letter it's right there, we can look
right at it. It's right there. And truthfully, the majority
of the interesting history of this company there's all shit
you don't want to talk about, right, it's all horror.
It's all terrible, terrible, fucked up things that ruin the
company top to bottom. So it's like, that's what people

(57:36):
want to listen to, that's what people want to talk
about if you don't. If you need any further proof
of that, go check the views on Jim Cornette's channel.
Go check. Go check the views on videos that people
put up where it's like the death of AW or
why is AW so shitty? That's why people, that's what
people are watching.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Swollen says, Now, if it covers exclusive never before comments
on Sampunk's exit, I don't think so, dude.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I genuinely want to hear that these people are liars there.
Why do I want to listen to them? Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
But even still, I don't think they're going to show that.
I would be surprised if they even talk about Cody's exit. Like,
obviously Cody was a major part of AW. They'll bring
up Cody in a positive light. But do you think
they're going to talk about him leaving AW for WWE?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Not at all. They'll just change the topic, you know
what I mean. Like, and then there was a guy
who also helped us run the company anymore.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, no, he just once he quit AW, just stop
wrestling guys, That's what he did.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And then he and then Poochi went back to his planning,
Like it's what are they talking about this is It's
typical behavior for this company, and I have a real
strong feeling that this is going to be what similar
to the video game six months time maybe by Christmas

(59:01):
Barnes and Nobles eighty percent.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Oh yeah, this is This is going into the dollar
bin within a year. Within the year, it'll be in
the actual dollar bin. Matter of fact, I would say
within three weeks you'll be able to repurchase this on
eBay for three to four bucks.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
More than likely. You know what, No, no, I think
that this did. Okay, ready, let's glass half full of this.
All right, let's get these books and have the amazing
aw superstars go read them to kids. Think you can
meet them in libraries.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Actually, I just want to get it and then just
take it around WWE and have everybody in WWE sign it.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I don't know, bring it to bring it to Thick.
Be one of those fucking airport weirdos.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, Like this book isn't good enough as
a book. It has to become an autographed book for
the competing company.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
That's what it has to be for it to be.
It's now up to twelve dollars, yeah right, exactly. The
resale value is skyrocketed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah, if I wanted an autograph of EO on eBay,
it's fifty bucks, but since it's in the aw book,
it'll be twelve to fifty guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Come on, yeah, sick, it's a steal. But one other thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
According to Will Ospray, when online he did Daily Start,
he said quote, WWE are on fire now, but not
even as a viewer. As a wrestler, I just don't
enjoy it. I haven't watched since WrestleMania. From what I've heard,
it wasn't the best Mania. Maybe EO, Ria and Bianca
was the only sick match. The three of them are sick.

(01:00:36):
They're three of the best sickest wrestlers period. For me,
I was just never a wwick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
He's real sick.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I respect it, and I respect what the guys are
doing it this that schedule is crazy, and they're commendable
for doing it. I just don't like I just I
don't like the show. I don't like the style of wrestling.
I don't like the presentation. It's got better. I love
the one shots they do, but I've never been a
big fan of it. I got into WWE when I

(01:01:06):
was a kid, but when I became a teenager, I
thought it was lame. There were certain guys I enjoyed,
like Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Randy Orton is sick. After a while,
I was like, this is so pantomiming people would go,
especially coming up and wrestling less is more is it?
I'm bored. It's the same stuff recycled over and over again.

(01:01:27):
Every now and again you'd get something cool like a
cmpunk pipe bomb promo. I respect WWE, and I admire everyone.
There A lot of people think I hate Triple H
and I really don't. I've never met the guy before
in my life. For me, there's always a little bit
of rivalry where I'll be like, yeah, you guys were
the biggest. You guys draw the bigger houses, you guys

(01:01:47):
got the bigger deals. But the moment the bell rings,
I think we are better than all of them on
my worst day, On my worst day, I'm better than
a lot of the guys in ring. In ring promo,
you have a bunch of guys. Sampunk is sick, Roman
Reigns is sick. There are still things I need to
catch up on in ring. I generally don't think that

(01:02:10):
there's anyone from that side that matches any of our guys.
That's yeah wow wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
So is there such thing as a rivalry when one
team always wins? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I mean, somebody asked Cleveland, somebody want to ask Detroit, right,
somebody want.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
To ask Chicago. Like this is making me feel like
a like a Patriots fan Sarka twenty twelve. Do you
know what I mean? Where people be like, we have
a rivalry with your team. I'm like, we've won the
last thirty times we've played you, right, how is this
a rivalry? There is no rivalry. You come here and lose,
we go there and beat you. This is an a rivalry.

(01:02:57):
But also also Osprey said, which I'm assuming that you
had the correct quote, because when I saw it originally
it said what nobody could be better than me on
my worst day or something like that. Wasn't that the
original quote?

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
It was something I saw some truncated versions of people
just trying to spark shit up, but yeah, this was
the full one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah. Well, to me, that still makes me laugh because
it's the second the second that I saw that where
it's just like, yeah, on my worst day, I'm like,
on your on your best day. There's currently ten wrestlers
at least in WWE that are better than you, dude
on male and female.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
On will Ospray's best day, he still doesn't make as
much as Mercedes Monette.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That's also true. Yes, on will Ospray's best day, Chad
Gable is better than him. Yes, on will Ospray's best day,
guns There is better than him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yes, Otis is better than him. Sorry, fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Now, simply you know you're better looking. That's what you're
thinking of. Think. Okay, there's still plenty more. EO Sky
is better than him. Oscar when she was working was
better than him. Let's just stick to the guys. Let's
stick to the guys. We'll be fair, all right, we
go out there. I mean, that's really it's kind of easy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Randy Orton is still better than him, and he's what
at least fifteen years older, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, uh jomacattire at this point, yes, yeah, oh yeah,
definitely it was absolutely better than him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I'd say Damien Priest is better than him. I know,
I know that's a hard one. I know that's a
hard one for some people, But I think that Damien
Priest has a hell of a large overhead shit. Cross
has a hell of a large overhead over Osprey in
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well, dude, I'm saying just basically, let's even take into
account this, let's boil it down to work. Great bullshit.
Oh okay, all right, yeah, all right, great bullshit because
that's what he cares. Okay, you're right, always bull witch
a w W Broh, it was bullying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Kevin Owens is better than Ospar every day of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Sammy's Ain't is ten times better than him. Yes, let's
see who else? Hmm yeah, aj Styles absolutely a J yes, easily.
I already mentioned Gunther, Yeah, gun there is a layup.
I don't know about Logan, Paul Lightning. I see what

(01:05:23):
you're saying, and that's a very controversial statement, but I
don't know if I could say that. So I hate,
I hate to say it, but Seth is actually a
little bit better than him. Yeah, Seth is actually.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Oh, Elijah dragon Off absolutely we need him back fast,
God damn do we need him back?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah he was, Yeah, he's better than him. Who. Well,
so I'm thinking, well, I'm just trying to go through
the regular ass work, guys. Do you know what I
mean like it's just some of the obvious. Like someone's
like Cody, I'm like, well, yeah, Cody's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Finn ballor what do you think of Finn ballor yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah, yeah for sure. Is he better promo than him?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
No, but is he a better is he a better wrestler? Yeah,
let's think a trick. No, they're not there yet. The core,
the core is better as a woman's wrestler than I
think ramist Cial is a layup to Penta. Yeah, of course,
like I said, oh dude, even old Box said JD McDonough,
JD McDonald's I I'll you know what, I'll fucking lay

(01:06:30):
out my fucking nuts on that table and say, JD McDonough,
if he gets a little bit more comfortable talking, will
be better. I'll go as far as to say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
In a year, I like JD McDonald, I really do.
I just think osprey Is is better in ring than
JD McDonald's. Now, don't get me wrong, if he continues
to have matches like he did on fucking Monday, that's
gonna change real quick. But JD McDonald's never really been
the force that I could ever see. Okay, this is
going to lead a show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Okay, so let's let's take this and then like, let's
put it in the in the basis of being forced
to have a match. That makes sense, all right, if
you put in a position, yeah, then he wins.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
But that's not what he's talking about. If he's talking
about ring work, he's talking about ability. He's talking about
the showmanship, the flash. Like the fucking aw people don't
care about the psychology. Jesus Christ, they don't. They don't
care whether the audience connects. It's almost as if the
aw fans is like, you either get it or you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Right, right, do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Do you know what their audience feels like? And just
like when people say it's a it's a niche, it's
like a hipster kind of situation or whatever the fuck
it is. It's like when people tell you about some
new restaurants or something some pop up with their like
there's five things on the menu, and that's it, right,
it's it. If you don't like those five things on
the menu, then that's on you. Just don't you don't

(01:07:57):
like whatever. It's like, it's a barbecue place. What did
they have? They have a brisket sandwich, they have a
pulled pork sandwich. They have an oh my god, they
have an unbelievable smoked sausage full slab, yeah, full full
slab rack of ribs. And you're like okay, You're like yeah,
if you don't like those five things and you're not
gonna be gonna be happy. It's like, well, I'm a vegetarian.

(01:08:19):
They're like, oh, well, then sorry, you hate but then
you hate wrestling. That's what you see. I don't want
to have heartburn. And they're like, well, then then you're
a loser. Then you put that together that you must
just hate food. Actually you hate food. Did you know
that you hate insane? He's he's a little insane, little
little egotistical. Is when I'm a little lot of insane.

(01:08:40):
This is this is a symptom once again of the
Internet making people believe that they're biggert stars than they are.
But here's the weird thinking. Joe. He painted Edge as
one of the icons for him and I'm like, that's
not even closed, right, And I I like Edging Chris,
I love them back in the day. But to sit

(01:09:01):
there and say that Edge was this magnanimous singles wrestler,
like a guy you look forward to like he was
one of the best, Like was he No, not even close? Right,
not even close him? Him mentioning Edge in that situation
is like when you're hanging out with like a group
of guys and there's like six of you. Oh you
think Edge was in the room when he was saying this, Oh,

(01:09:27):
like you're almost forced to say the thing. Yeah, and
he's like, oh, we're all nice guys, well, we all
work hard. And then you got your one friend over
there and he's a dickhead and he fucking is a
fucking bomb, and you're like, I guess I gotta conclude.
I guess I gotta conclude, Ricky, And yeah, I agree.
Why didn't he say Christian over Edge? I would have

(01:09:49):
been like, yeah, no, fuck, maybe maybe Osprey does see something.
If he would have said Christian over Edge, I think
I would have felt differently about the way he said that.
You're fucking right, Jay geez, even if he's even if
he said gold Dust, oh yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Shit, honestly have been like you and Biaco bro apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Fuck well no, but this, but dude, this is once again,
why this fucking kid meanders around there getting paid by
this fucking goober. And if he was in WWE, he'd
be just farting around. Let's be real, he'd be farting
around the way the people go, oh well, Penta came
here and did well. Panta is a unique gimmick. He's

(01:10:29):
a lutra door with his own his own look. He
does his own thing, even his little fucking dancy strut
thing and hand gesture like, that's completely different. Real as
Spray is another fucking bland white guy with a hair
part that does point finger guns and does a fucking flip.
There's six thousand of those guys, six thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Can I throw a name that I think should be
unanimously much better than will Ospray Dominic mysterio ooh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
I watch.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I still think I still think the guy is infinitely
more valuable than anything that will Osprey could produce at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I think so. And honestly, I think a big
part of that would be in anybody that would want
to push back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
On that oh you said that earlier, casual sorry Adam
in a rupt yeah, thank you call.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
But like anybody that would want to push back on that, right,
they would be like, oh, well, something something. The promo
maybe they think the Ospreys better with the promo.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
No, but in the way he attaches himself to the
crowd like he knows how to wrap the crowd around
his finger. It is almost fucking magical watching him piss
people off. He is so good at it, and he
doesn't have to cut a shitty promo about talking about
how crappy aw is to do it right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Well. But but dude, this is also I think another
part of that too, to where I look at it
and I go, okay, this is why you would pick
this guy over this other guy. And now we're getting
into real sports again, real sports type conversation. Sometimes people
get drafted higher. Sometimes people get picked up because they're coachable,
they can learn. They look at them and they go, hey,

(01:12:11):
we can take this kid's This kid will listen, they'll
get better, they have age, they have time, whatever the
hell it is, and we can do something with them.
Do you know what I mean? The kid that the
kid that the Patriots picked fourth overall is this big,
country fucking cornfred kid named Will Campbell and he talks

(01:12:34):
like there's well, there's verse serious and they always say, well,
he wasn't big enough and he's got little arms. He's
got little arm that he got like little t Rex arms.
They're like, Oh, he's gonna fucking bomb out. But you
hear him talk and he's like, I'm willing to die
for this tame. Anything they need me to do, I'm
going to do it, and I'm going to do it

(01:12:54):
with every ounce in my body. You're like, yeah, you
would you rather that? Or would you rather have a
fucking well Osprey draft pick who's like I shot when
I feel like it brough uh, you know what I mean?
Like me good has a birthday party, prov so I
can't show up to the sidium like which which one
are you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
In?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
A fucking pick? You know what I mean? Like that's
another whole conversation. There's a big reason once again that
a lot of those like once again the NFL drafts,
they took some of these goofy kids that didn't have
a ton of hype as quarterback. But they didn't take
Deon Sanders kid because he was sitting in a room

(01:13:33):
with like candles and unicorns and writings on the walls
that say like timeless, immortal, brilliant, genius, perfect man. And
they're like, well, we don't want to fucking deal with
this kid, right, we don't want to deal with this ego?
Like is this person coachable? Can we do anything with them?
The only coach he's ever had is his dad, and
his dad was known for being nothing but a fucking

(01:13:54):
ego maniac. So should we deal with them?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Like, what do you want? Do you want ospar or
do you want dominic mysterio? Do you want JD McDonald
box head? Do you want? Do you see where I'm
going here? Like there's a decision to where there can
be growth, really, like not even trying to be an asshole,
throw it out there to everybody out there in the
fucking world is listening to this. Do you think will

(01:14:21):
Osprey has room to get better or regress? Regress?

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
He's too old to get much better, and he's got
too many injuries. And I think it's just you're also
looking at a guy who's clearly happy with what he's
I think that's another thing too, that's a problem with
not just wrestling, but life in general. If you are
completely comfortable and happy and think you're the best at something,
there's no wiggle room to improve, There's no possibility to

(01:14:48):
get past your ego and say, hey, maybe I should
take a look at what other options I have. If
Will Osprey already thinks that he's the best wrestler on
TV over every body in WWE, then how can you
ever improve Because even if you show him Joe like, hey,
if you did this, your matches would be better. Hey,

(01:15:10):
if you took these notes from Dominic mysterio, you might
have better crowd reactions. Hey, if you look at the
way Gumpter does these holes, you might get more fucking response.
But he's gonna look at all of those examples and go,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I'm better than that. How can you improve me? Don't
you know that I'm better than them?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I have five star matches from Dave Meltzer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
The guy who says he's number one will never be
number one for long.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
That's that's the reality. And by the way, and this,
I hear this too, And this is just me going
back to my old, my grizzled sensibilities in this moment.
If I'm every guy listening to that in WWE, if
this kid ever stepped foot in the ring with me,
I'm stepping on his deck.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Yeah, I was gonna say, somebody's gonna punch him in
the nose.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
For real. I'ming the dogs and you're the rough. Yeah,
I'm accidentally on purpose stepping on his ankle, going to
make account. Whoops? Oh is that your achilles? I'm so sorry.
Oh I'm just stupid. I guess I'm just dumb. I
can't performer. I can't keep up with you, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I can't stand those kind of people. So whatever happens
to ospray happens to ospray. But you know what, it's
time for WWE backlash predictions. I want to try something here,
Joe before we start, tell me, do you hear a
difference in my audio I do? Does it sound bad
or does it sound better?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
It sounds a little more muffled, muffled? Okay, let me
turn that off. I was like, you're gonna do an
ad read I could.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I may as well just do it. That is the
AI mechanism that by the way, did you receive your
mixer yet?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
In the mind I do, it's next to me right now.
I just have to get the motivation to houck this
bad larry up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
That is the AI version of the mixer that's supposed
to automatically adjust our voices and also remove our breathing
and noises and correct words as we say them if
we say them incorrectly to the live audience. So I'm
very curious to see how that works. I'll use that
in the future, but for now, WWE Backlash Live in

(01:17:13):
Saint Louis May tenth, this Saturday at the Enterprise Center,
starting at a I believe seven o'clock. Right, it's a
nice normal time. We're back into the normal mode of
the universe, and we have five matches on the card,
and we'll start with the bottom match, which is Dominic

(01:17:33):
Mysterio versus Penta in a singles match for the WWE
IC Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Joe, oh, that should be fun. This'll be a fun one,
all right. So Penta and Dominic, what do we get
out of this? Do we get a Lucia kind of
tribute nineties match? Do we get your kind of standard
easy babyface heel sort of thing, because this is your

(01:17:59):
opener clearly right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
I don't know, Lyra and Becky Lynch could be my
opener too, so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Well, I mean that should be the pre show. I
mean I could just put that on alfter the card happens.
You know what, I mean, like maybe they just do that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I mean, in a lot of ways, You're probably making
the most sense because I think this match is going
to be exciting. I don't think it's going to be
pigeonholed into a type of match. I think there's going
to be some fun shit in this that Dominic can
do with Penta that he can't really do in the
ring with anybody else. For example, I would not be

(01:18:37):
surprised if Dominic dusts off some of Daddy's old moves
and throws them in on Penta as a little bit
of a surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Are we going to do Are we going to do
like an inception style psychoses? Yeah, a little of that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I'm not saying the whole match is going to be
like that. But you know what, if Dominic pulled out
the six to one nine out of nowhere all that
first off, Let's be honest, the crowd would boo the
shit out of him doing that and sucking off. It's
a little homage to the family, and it's a little
more homage to Luchador, which I think that this match
has the potential of tapping into a Dominic that honestly

(01:19:18):
is kind of interesting because We've seen Dominic work the
American style for so long. Now, now that he has
the title and he's up against a Luca, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Like to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I genuinely kind of look forward to Dominic reaching into
his dirty bag of tricks and pulling out shit that
nobody's expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
This could just be well, no, you know what, I'm
not gonna say. Could this will be fun either way
you put it, It's going to be a fun match. Now.
With that said, obviously they could Obviously Dominic mysterio has
to retain this thing, right, Like, they're not going to
give this kid the belt and then just say, oh,
we're immediately going to give up on it. I know
that they did a little Oh having the title is hard,

(01:20:01):
that goofy thing that they said the other day. But
I still think, nonetheless, like give dom at least till SummerSlam,
right like, oh yeah, he's not losing the title. No no, no, no,
yeah no you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I don't feel that way. Yeah, it's too soon, he's
and not only that. Look as much as I like
where Penta's headed, Pentas will need a little bit more
time to cook. I mean, it could be Dominic mysterio
down the road that he takes the icy belt from.
I'm fine with that, but I think they need more
time if this feud is going to be that where
they end up at SummerSlam, they meet a few months

(01:20:34):
of fucking with each other a little bit, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, And I'm also fine with the fact that he
can take Penta can take some losses and the hand
gesture once again, the little tap dance move, the little
woky walk. This shit's getting over. It's not getting less
of a reaction, so let's let's let it bubble. And
obviously dom is where he needs to be, so let's
let this go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Lightning pulls out the fact that he does the six
one nine from time to time, but he says, if anything,
if he did more of Eddie's move set, that would
be different.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
He's done the suplexus before, and he does the frog
splash su like I would.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Be happy to see more Luca come out in this
match is more characteristically what I meant but got So
you're pretty much going with Dominic on this one too. Yeah,
Jacob fa too versus La Night versus Damian Priest versus
Drew McIntire fatal four way match for the WWS WWE
US Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Yeah yeah, Jacob goes over and this again. You don't
change this either, Yeah, he keeps us the same.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
It's like people got so used to this idea for
the multi person match. It's how you get the title
off people. YadA, YadA, YadA. A whole bunch of belts
just changed three weeks ago. It's fine, it's fine. We
don't need to fucking change anything. This paper view probably
shouldn't even be happening to begin with. So this will
be a fun bunch of spots. You got some big guys,

(01:22:02):
you got some meat sticks, you'll be okay. Keep it
with Jacob, keep it fun, keep it about twelve to
fifteen minutes, and you have a good match. Okay, Now,
let me throw this out here. Is a little bit
of a monkey wrench into this plan, because the only
way that I see Jacob losing this is from interference
with Solo. Is it possible that Solo fucks up Jacob

(01:22:26):
on Acci, Dent and somebody else might fucking come out
with this, because that wouldn't surprise me either, because I
almost feel like Jacob and Solo are heading into a
direction where they're going to have to have a fight too. Now,
let me ask you, this, is it fair that I
forgot Solo it even existed. No, I forgot I forgot No,

(01:22:48):
that poor child. I say that once again as somebody
who made a lot of money and got featured for
a good, solid year. But boy o, boy is that
ova ovah, that's John.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
It's a sad sun. It is a sad reality. I
mean myself and White Chocolate and Jeff Lippman. We did
the post SmackDown show this week and we talked about that,
and it really is a sad statement to say that Solo,
once upon a time was almost the shining jewel of
the Bloodline storyline. He was the guy that we were
all expecting great things from and then he got put

(01:23:24):
into a position that he couldn't fucking swim out of,
and they gave him way too much responsibility and literally
put him in over his head, and even though he
had Paul Hayman there, Paul Hayman couldn't save him from drowning.
And now you're left with the shell of a guy,
with a shell of a family team that's not even
connected with Amy and the Rock didn't help either. Let's

(01:23:47):
be honest. The Rocks involvement with Roman and all that
shit that was going on the family and the final
Boss that shit didn't help either. So Solo got the
worst end of a stick that that just this story
won't ever be completed. And so now he's left out
there to drown. And Jacob honestly has surpassed Solo at

(01:24:07):
this point, but Solo in storyline is still a part
of Jacob thoughts who's story himself. So and I see
people saying not yet, but do we really want this?
So I look at it like this, I don't want
this Solo Jacob thing drawn out for months and months
and months. We've already had it going for a couple months. Now,

(01:24:28):
can we pull the trigger on it and be done
with it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Can we can we just finish it? We need to
just ignore Solo altogether and then bring him back in
like six months, So just fire, just fire him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
At this point then I wouldn't even I wouldn't even
keep him at this point. He is literally so bad,
and not because he's a bad wrestler or a bad promo,
but he is. He has such a bad branding on him.
They're better off just letting him go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I know it's not well, dude, there is a there
is a part basically he got like box stored, you
know what I mean? Yeah, fu.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I mean honestly, of all the people that he was
a mom.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
And pop he was a mom and pop store, We're
all going, hey, that place is pretty good. And then
they were like, here comes the rock, Here comes Jacob
fu too. Guess what? Here comes Roman raids back to
fuck you over, and it's just like, yeah, he can't
survive this Onslaught and Stars.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
But here's the worst thing is he's still involved in
storylines that are not doing anything for him. He does
not look better being involved as Jacob's foil in this way,
as the guy that's kind of upset and jealous that
Jacob's getting all this attention. Nothing that is surrounding him
story wise is helping him whatsoever. I would almost feel better,

(01:25:46):
even I know people are saying, dude, I would almost
feel better if they did just fucking drop his ass,
because then it's literally a clean cut go out into
the world, go to MLW, go to fucking TNA, where
wherever the hell you want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I was, honestly, I was just gonna say I'd send
him to DNA. Yeah, I'd have him do TNA. I'd
have him do TNA and keep Toma Tonga for a
bit and see if you could do something with him.
I mean, Tonga Lowa should never even have been there
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
I like Solo, Jeck Katt. I think Jeck Kat's misunderstanding.
I like Solo. I think he's been given a raw deal,
no pun intended. I think Solo is absolutely way more
talented than WWE has been showcasing. But they keep piling
more and more shit on top of the guy. Now
we're supposed to be in a camp where you cheer

(01:26:36):
Solo more than Jacob. That's never gonna happen. What are
they doing to this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
And by the way, this wasn't one of those things.
It didn't take a brilliant mind to put together. I
said it. Everybody I feel like said that. When Jacob
Fatou came in, it was like he is going to
over so he is going to easily overshadow Solo easily,
easily easily, And then it happened, And I'm like, who
didn't see this coming?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Who did not see this coming to some degree where
I'm almost sitting there going ww in a way had
to think to themselves, Wow, we're really getting ready to
just fucking throw a bucket of syrup on this kid.
There's no way they didn't see that happening. They knew
that Solo was kind of Blandsville. They knew that he's
kind of boys, regular haircut, regular looking guy, average at best,

(01:27:27):
fucking wrestler, right, and then they're like, Yeah, we're gonna
bring in Jacob. He's really good. We get ahold of them.
They saw the promo, they saw the look, they saw
the intensity. They must have said, this kid's gonna get
fucking steamrolled. Jacob made They had to know that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
And that's the thing too about Solo is he's great
as a hand He's great as a bodyguard, dude. The
comedy of Solo Soca was the nuances of Solo Soca.
And you killed that, you pistol. Yeah, you made him
the front runner, you made him the main talker. It's like,
what the fuck is the point he took.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Steve Blackman and tried to make him a main event
or what are you doing? What are you doing? And
that's sole lyon his Solo on their shoulders. They should
not have done that. They that was a huge fuck up,
and I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Think it was because of the way the bloodline storyline
played out, Like they forced him into a position where
he had to be Roman's foil, and it's like, dude,
nobody believed that Solo was ready for Roman.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
We had problems believing that Jimmy or Jay were ready
for fucking Roman, let alone Solo.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
And by the way, it's like if it had been Jimmy,
at least the people knew him right, they knew him enough.
They didn't believe. No one on this planet thought that
Solo was going to fucking succeed in that role. So
anyway he did it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
That's why I bring him up as maybe he gets
involved with Jacob Fatu costs him its title and then
him and Jacob get into it, because I really just
maybe I'm just prefacing on the way I feel about
Solo Socoa being pushed in this way. But that's a
storyline that's in the in the background, that's been happening,
and I don't know what they're going to do with it.

(01:29:07):
They've already fucked each other up a couple of times now,
but you'll go with Jacob. If there's fuckery, I'm gonna
go with l A. Knight getting it back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
But Ellie and I just keeps getting it back and sure,
all right, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
But if not, if there is no solo fuckery, then
I'm gonna go with Jacob fatu. So there's a caveat there.
Next match it we have is Pat mcaviee versus Gunther.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah, just just as just a clean Gunther. Yeah, if
gun there does. If Gunther does not win this, that's
a nightmare. I mean, I get it. It's like, oh,
Pat had the good promo. I'm just like, yeah, you
do not put him over gun not Gunther doesn't win this,
What do we do with Gunther? I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
If Gunther doesn't win this, what the fuck do we
do you with Gunther?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Just set him on fire? I guess that's what That's
the only option to have shoot him into the sun.
There's there's nothing. By the way, I just realized that
maybe maybe you would have the most like validity with
your with your guests for who is going to win
that four way, because as of right now, every single
heel is winning on the show, right every single heel

(01:30:25):
or maybe you know what, never mind, maybe bird Girl
because that's the next match, that would be the one.
But yeah, I don't know, this has to be. This
has to be Gunther making an example of Pat McAfee.
He gets two or three little hope spots. Pat shows
that he had some sort of fighting, he had the
chin for it. He stood up to him. He takes
a bunch of shops from gun there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
You know that, you know what people are throwing off
the caveat Scena hit Hitman, Jack says. Pat wins via
dq no contest because Gunther murders him in the ring
and the rough.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Canst so teckning.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
You get a babyface win even though he leaves on
a stretcher.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
That's also possible. I don't know. I feel like power
bomb clean as a sheet. That's probably what they're putting
on the book and sheet.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
But Lda is right though, pack getting written off of TV.
We talked about that a couple of weeks ago or
last week when I was like, it's NFL season, when
he was there for the draft and stuff. I wouldn't
be surprised if they're getting ready to kick him over
to Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
He's got time. He's got time, dude. I mean, it's
really the NFL season and the true coverage of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It doesn't Maybe he needs some time off too, Maybe
he needs a little vacation time for himself before the
no time off for you? Oh well, shit, okay, never
mind me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Who do you think you are? Michael Cole? Yeah? I
was just kidding. Yeah, No, it's more than likely he'll
get just fucking muckled and then maybe right I'll take
a month off or two months off and come back
at summer slim. Yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Lda could call man Leira val Curia versus Becky Lynch
single match for the WWE Women's Intercontinental Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
But you know what this is? This is where speaking
of bird Girl, This is where an owl comes in
and goes who cares? Yeah, well, who cares? I don't
give a shit. I unfortunately feel like Becky is going
to win this. I just have this this I don't
know this idea of them gonna go, oh, we're gonna

(01:32:26):
give it back to old Bis or whatever the fuck
it's gonna be, because I don't know, actually know what
do they go with that? Do they go with the
old predictable. Now Becky's the title, and then they're gonna
put it with fucking shithead Seth and it's gonna be
the Family of bull Shit. Look, I'm making my own bloodline.
Is that what they're gonna do? Or or do they say, oh,

(01:32:50):
look how Becky's putting over the next generation, just like
Charlotte put over the next generation. I don't know, what
do you think is gonna happen with this mess of
a match? Exactly? There's not enough.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
There's not enough backstory to this. I mean, the backstory
is Becky came out to take over for Bailey to
wrestle for the Tag Team gold, which they wont, and
then they lost the next night, and now Becky wants
her icy belt. I I don't know, Yeah, that's probably
what it's going to be. It's probably going to be Becky.

(01:33:27):
I think that if Becky does join up with Seth
and Breaker and Paul Hayman, that would actually be a
smart move to kind of humanize Seth a little bit,
so to kind of bring them together as pieces of
shit together. I would be interested in seeing that, But
I don't know if my interests reflect most people or

(01:33:48):
WWE's booking on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
I mean it would be interesting to me because I'd go, Wow,
you found a way to make this even worse. Right,
I don't this sucks. You made it socker. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
I hate this because I don't really care. And I
like the fact that Lyra's trying to pull something out
of her ass, But I just I just don't care.
Can can we put Stephanie Vecker in here real quick
and just give her the title?

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
I know? Can she just somehow masterically appear in the match,
And I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Know, can she just take the belt and say, bitches
take it from me? Like, how about that? How long
has it been since somebody has just walked up taken
the belt and just walked away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
She'll pull a she'll pull a chile in Kevin Owens,
Is that what you said? You go, Yeah, She's like,
it's mine, No, I'm taking it. Oh God, Which, by
the way, sadly, sadly these shows do miss Kevin Owens
sometimes when you see some of this shit that's happening
on these cards. Yeah, No, I just don't give a fuck.
But I think it's going to be Becky And if

(01:34:50):
it's not Becky. Then that they predicted d Q or
something like that that might have happened with McAfee, could
happen here where Bailey comes out and is like, bitch,
what the fuck he's which, which at this point Bailey
probably should I had Monday Becky was in there dumping
all over Bailey more than she was the girl she

(01:35:12):
was going to wrestle this week.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
So which makes you think that Bailey is definitely going
to make some kind of an appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
I agree with that. It's just, dude, this all feels
very lame, lame. I don't care, Yeah, I really just
I think this is lame. I think it's fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Boring, very difficult for me to be unexcited to talk
about pretty women. So John Cena versus Randy Orton singles
match for the undisputed WWE Championship. John Cena wins a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Lot of posturing, a lot of pomp and circumstance, and
then John Cena wins. Now is this this would be
a fun match? Be all right? Yeah? All right? Well
this is this is all on Randy Orton. Dude, this
is one on Randy Orton showing up. Let's call this
what what it is know what I mean? Where, Yes,

(01:36:01):
Sena can do his little heel gestures and do his shit,
But the last time we saw him in the ring,
he was walking around like a cigar store Indian. He
could barely fucking move. It's going to take Randy showing
up for real, for real with his complete amped up which,
by the way, Saint louis right, that's where it is. Yep,
that's Randy ortons hometown. Oh okay, so we're good, all right? Yeah, yeah,

(01:36:25):
this will be a fun match. This will be fun.
Oh yeah, no, I think it'll be a good match.
I I just yeah, they're just going to fuck the
people at the end. They're just gonna send him on pissed.
Are we getting a lot of fuckery? Are we getting
Travis Scott? Are we getting the Rock? Are we getting
anybody else? Well, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, well,
they already had Travis Scott. Who what other mediocre fucking

(01:36:47):
rapper do we have right now that we could send out?
Like yeah, I don't know this is yet Unfortunately another
thing where I'm looking at it and I'm going I
should be far more interested and excited by this and
are more invested in it. But the Rock puts such
a fucking damper on this entire storyline. He really did,
with all of his bullshit going on McAfee and all

(01:37:11):
of his little petty bullshit. And are they feuding over money?
Are they arguing over power? Are we playing this whole thing?
Is the Rock trying to pretend like he knows better
because he's been in six fucking bad movies in the
past five years? Like what do we want to do? Right?
I don't know? Like I said this, being Randy Orton,
He's gonna show up because he's in his hometown, big

(01:37:33):
one right there, and Sena won't rise to the occasion physically,
but it will be fun and a creative way to
fuck Randy Orton.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Let's not even compare to the physicality of Randy Orton
at John Cena right now, Dude, n John Cena is
an old dog. Randy Jorton is like a juiced up
pit bull at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Brand I love those interviews with John Cena's like I
never took steroids in my life and Randy's over there
picking his teeth with a fucking needle, going yeah, me neither, right,
And Randy Hohrton's just like, why would you say that?
Is a fucking cool like that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Orton is so much more enjoyable these days. It's really wild.
And I'm fine with John Cena winning. I know it
makes sense for the storyline. Clearly there's more to go.
Obviously our Truth is going to be involved in there
at some point too. But fucking Randy's been a lot
of fun to watch. He's got such great fucking energy
out there. The crowds are really fucking loving him. He's

(01:38:37):
a different Randy. He is a different fucking Randy Orton.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
So you know what, this kind of feels like Patista's
last run, but he's sticking around right where like when
Patisa's lash round, we're sitting there, we're going, oh, Batista
figured it out and he's interesting and he's like, all right,
I see you later. You're like, oh, thanks dude.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
If John Cena retires and Randy Orton the next month
said yeah, me too, like nobody would be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Right, well, Randy's going to Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Thank god, Randy Orton found nothing else that he enjoys more, right,
because he seems like a guy that's almost like and
I don't mean this is like a knock on him,
but like the way that Sid Vicious was like, I'd
rather go play softball right right, Like if Randy found
something that he is a middle aged guy was like, yeah,
this rules, I'll do that instead.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Like if he was a successful twitch streamer, I think
Randy Orton would have been a successful forty year old
twitch streamer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Yeah, yeah, that seems like a good idea. He should
definitely maybe play Call of Duty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Yeah, sure, play some rusts with Anthony Komio.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Sure. It really is crazy to me that the way
that the script has completely flipped on some of these people,
they stay too long and they become insufferable, or they
stay so long that they get comfortable and figure something
out and can reinvent themselves. And this is the difference
between a Randy Yorton and a fucking annoying seth rawlins.

(01:40:03):
I really love that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
But that wraps it up for money in the bank,
money exactly, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
You, money in the backlash? Is that what it is? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Exactly. But we'll see you guys here on Saturday. We'll
be here, yes, great balls of fires. So and on
Friday Tomorrow night we'll have Frank and Gus and a
SmackDown post show. There was no show this week with
Tries on Wednesday, but Trez will be joining myself, Jeff

(01:40:33):
Lipman and Andrew Carlok for the post SmackDown show, so
I'd be fantastic. And then tonight after Wrestling Soup, you
got got John Draper birthday boy John Draper by the way,
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(01:40:55):
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