GOODBYE CENA or SNME POST SHOW (Wrestling Soup 12.13.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't feel like don't brother, brother, what a shocking
ending for this week's impact. Oh yeah, what happens?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't remember. I was so jolly Numbers. If you
forgive me some my from my bank fees, I'll forgive
you for the guest Chambers Bus Anthony missionary Thomas.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're too old read to what the hall is day.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yet I'm a thirty four I got small ticks right.
If you have baby daddy broke, then your child is
a failure.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
This is my few the tongue, this focus Pulman transit wrestling,
soup wrestling Soup. I am Anthony Thomas, he is Joey Numbers,

(01:17):
and uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And here we are. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I mean I guess yeah, it is Saturday night, and
I guess it was the main events.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The series of the series finale of WWE. Is that
what we can call it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I think this is episode four hundred and ninety
three thousand, six hundred and twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah. Now there was a odd feeling
overall to this show. Huh. I mean not in a
way where I want to be like completely immediately saying
to people like if you had a great time watching this.
What the hell's run with you? No, that's not it

(02:03):
at all.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
There was a lot of people that liked it. I
was on the I was on the Bangladesh stream tonight,
and uh, there was a lot of a lot of
international folks that were very happy with the show.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Very happy with it. They're having a good time, they
were they were, Oh, well, good for them.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm well, I mean, they are the core audience now
of WWE. So yeah, no, it's it's a good thing
for that. I'm I'm glad now that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
We've lost American Caucasian Jesus, We've got we've gotta we've
got to look forward to what's going to happen in
the future, right, Yeah, this was a an odd feeling show, dude.
I mean, I guess that's the best way I can
describe it. It's just weird feeling top to bottom, overly

(02:53):
done in a lot of respects, but also at the
same time, it's like, doesn't it make sense for John
Cena's last match almost to feel like an infomercial? Doesn't
that almost just fit? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm actually planning on buying some scene of Viagara right
after we're done with this, and maybe getting my hair back.
But yeah, sham wow, oh yeah, yeah I was. I
was so happy to hear that my favorite sponsor, Minute
Made was backing the match tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh I was. I was concerned by that.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Don't you feel like it was a missed opportunity for
Slim Jim. I'm like, why isn't Slim Jim out of
nowhere just sponsoring the main events of.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
This But yeah, this could have been Blue Chee. I mean,
that would have been really that would have really added
a lot of emotion to this match. I mean, once again,
I get it. You know, Sena has been the ultimate
pitchman for WWE, the ultimate merch selling, money making, you know,
get people in the door kind of guy. And I'm

(03:54):
not saying that completely as a pejorative, but there does
reach this point they're like John Cena, the greatest wrestler
of all times. Last match brought to you by Hawaiian Punch, Right,
It's like, can you not? Can you not? You pigs?
Your disgusting, fucking money wharse? Can you just leave anything? Well,

(04:16):
you almost missed the Creed music video at the end there.
I was like, Joe Yah, you have to stick around
and watch the This is Your Life by Creed No No,
the Peacock app kicked me off, which I'm sitting there
and I'm going, well, here's another thing that WWE told
you to spend money on, and that also just crashed.

(04:36):
For the last five to ten minutes of John Cena's
final match, It's like, what.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, who's watching at that point? I mean, come on,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
There's just a really weird feeling and a really kind
of gross just Hayes missed even a film on all
of this that, Like I said, I I hate to
come on here and be completely dour about it, because
they did try their best to sort of be like, hey, guys,

(05:08):
this is our future. These are the people that you
should look forward to its fans, and if you usually
don't watch WWE or you haven't watched it a long time,
here's some guys in Gallas that you might be interested in.
And that way, they did the right thing right, but
it was.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I agree with you. It felt heavily produced or overproduced,
as some people put it. But it also led me
to feel like, I don't know if John Cena wanted
to go out this way, do you know what I mean?
Like I mean, we look back at his last few
months there and I think people that have been following
along know how we feel about the John Cena Heal

(05:48):
turn with the rock stuff and how a fucking boring
that was. And it's almost like, if you just spent
those that time being the face that's leaving the company,
I think this retirement in general would have felt a
lot different because it almost felt like it was rushed,
and it was rushed even though they had plenty of time.

(06:09):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yes, Oh yeah, it was very thrown together. And having
been kind of clued in a little bit more on
the details as to why Boston was not the place
that this match happened, which if all of what I've
gathered is, you know, true and completely factual, then it

(06:30):
makes sense as to why the city itself was like yeah,
good goodbye, No, no, thank you, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Why don't you tell people what you heard?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't know. Let's just say that there was a
lot of a lot of big money not only being asked,
but beyond that in terms of real estate and time
and being asked to move the scheduling of two major
professionals sports teams and their arena and yeah, not particularly

(07:05):
reasonable asks of a company that you know, I don't know,
five or six years ago in the garden, maybe a
little bit longer than that, but you know, not very
long ago. Was sitting there being like begging to fill
a quarter or half of it for house shows or
bullshit raws that nobody wanted to go to. The gender

(07:26):
Mahal was on top, do you know what I mean? Like,
so yeah, I could see why Boston looked at him
and was like, yeah, no, piggies, fuck off, like we're
not doing this, We're not playing this game with you.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
But I mean, it just felt like it was thrown
together two because I mean, even throughout the night there
was different interviews with people, right, I mean, Caine couldn't shave,
so that was nice because he was waiting in line
for his food stamps, and other people looked like they
were just backstage recording this before the show started. It

(07:57):
really did feel like it was last minute. Even if
it was, that's kind of how it came off. Felt cheap,
and honestly, I was a little disappointed. And this is
probably my only real bone of contention with this. Why
didn't John Cena get a real speech like they had
that little moment in the ring there with Cody Rhodes
and Seampunk, who, by the way, nobody was miked, so

(08:18):
that was that was even more special for the audience
trying to listen in. But I mean they were having
this emotional moment, you know, and and the camera caught
some of it, right, But obviously people in the arena
couldn't hear any of that, any of what was going on.
They just saw that John Cena had both the titles
after they put it on him. But I thought, you
know what, if you're gonna have that kind of a

(08:39):
special moment, why didn't John Cena get a speech? Right?
Like you gave Bill Goldberg a half a speech? Why
can't you give John Cena a full one?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, or even like a three fourths of a speech, right.
I would have taken a three fourth speech.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I would have taken that over yet another video package,
which once again where he.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Had to stare at it longingly like that's my life, guys. Remember,
those are people in my life. Those are things I
did here.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like no human being in professional wrestling, maybe ever, has
been given the role of narrator more than John Cena. Yeah,
that's the let's call it what it is. He has
been the narrator of WWE from what roughly two thousand
and seven till twenty something, you know, twenty twenty something.

(09:33):
So the fact that they were like, all right, it's
time for him to go out, and they're like, no,
you just watch yet another music view.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's like, what, dude, and I see people saying, Look,
John Cena's speech will be at the Hall of Fame.
Why not too? Why can't he have two speeches? You know, Like,
is he contractually obligated that he can only do one
more speech? Like he should be given speeches everywhere. I know.
He's gonna be with the company, right, Like That's the

(10:01):
other thing that came out, and I believe we talked
a little bit about that on Thursday too, is that
he's gonna stay with the company. In some men bassterd
Form are working behind the scenes. We're not really one
hundred percent sure of what he's going to do at
the moment, but he's not leaving. But at the same time,
it's like, give him the mic as much as he wants.
This is his goodbye, this is his curtain draw Like,

(10:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's just but you know, uh, it's SMA and this
is and by the way, similarly to this guy. His
whole career, for the most part, with the exception of
like a few years towards the beginning, the turn polarizing
always followed him, and so it would only makes sense
for his retirement to also be the same. Yeah, you know,

(10:49):
people are going to be arguing what they should have
done about this for the rest of our fucking lives,
and kind of rightfully so.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Zigler Fan for five says, this is like Rick leaving
Walking Dead or Michael leaving the office. The show goes on,
but it won't be on good or as good as
it was, and the writing is getting worse.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, yeah, that's it. Like I said, this feels
like the series finale of w W eight, that was
it like and in the same exact respect as we
had at one point for let's say, and obviously it
was you know, completely ruined, but like Flair's retirement match,

(11:31):
if you put that against this and I'm not comparing, yeah,
we don't.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
We don't want to see Senas stuffed into a blue
body suit, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Just no, But I mean, like comparing the level of
respect and just the way that it played out. And
you know, here it is WrestleMania. You know, there's not
like a fucking Saudi blood money, fucking advert heismand filling
the ring for John Cena and Kobe Rhoades and everybody
to come in and smooch. It's like, ah, God, at

(12:08):
some point, I'm just like looking at this and I'm
like the corporate element of this has completely fucked it up.
Even more so. I mean we all sat around the
evil you know, right, Vince and all his bullshit and
some of the stupid crap that he was obsessed with
and no pun intended, yeah, all of the Vince stuff.

(12:29):
But you go, this would not have happened with Vince.
I know, once again, he's a creep. He's a creepy old.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Fucking seen a kiss his ass on the way out.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Come on. Now, No, Vince would have put this in
a stadium and had tens of thousands of people there.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
You mean, not a hollowed out Walmart.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I mean, yeah, right, not a shitty bum, half ass
arena two weeks before Christmas and Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, no Trump siding. Huh. Those those rumors were all
nice and false.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I didn't see any Did you see him at the
Army Navy gave earlier today? No, he wasn't even if
he was planning on showing up. Yeah, he's not doing
good man. You can see physically that that was trying
for him to get there, So he wasn't exactly going
to do a runout in the scene.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Right, much love to Joe, punches two bucks, his hot
crowd at the end, haws up fellas Cody Duffy says
no selling in the final moments. Glad he's gone, in
my opinion, And I saw a lot of that too.
There's a lot of people that are just and I
thought it was an interesting choice of words when Cole
was talking about when Gunther won that professional wrestling beat

(13:46):
sports entertainment. And I'm wondering if that's how they're going
to try and bill it from now on, because we
heard about that before with different people in TKO, and
obviously I think Nick Conne even kind of brought it
up too, that they kind of want to change the
direction of WWE in certain ways and adulted up and
me and you kind of laughed. It's like, yeah, but
these are the same people that are still shilling toys

(14:07):
every week. But then we look at who are the
people buying the toys nowadays? As opposed to the kids,
it's mostly the adults. But I wonder if that was
one of those stamps, right, like Cole saying that so
profoundly sounded like a sound bite, like he was this
is going to be used for years to come.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
They were trying to do something with it. That was
the thought process. It's like, what we're doing a thing?
But does anybody actually feel like now they go, oh, yeah,
that era of WWE is dead, long live. You know,
the hard hitting professional wrestling.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Era of it worked. It worked brought to you by Spaghettios.
It worked in one scenario. It worked with the Butterfly belt,
It worked with the Divas era. When they shook off
the Divas era, people breathed a sigh of relief. Now,
I don't know if TKO and the new WWE are
going to be able to make an established promise and

(15:04):
change the way we see WWE after all these years,
after all these years of tropes, after all these years
of a lot of guys limiting themselves in the ring.
But I don't know. I mean, it's like I said,
it's just a It was very much his SoundBite from
Michael Cole at the end.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
There. You know, this is a really hard show to
establish an opinion on because there's a lot of people
I think that are thinking in their minds. Yeah, it's
just like an emotional moment or anything like that. No,
like I said, it's going to be incredibly fucking polarizing
because this show ended, and there was a thought in
my mind where it was like, they should have just

(15:42):
give seen us something. They should have just given him
Dawn so we could beat them.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, oh they did. I mean he did have I.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Know, but I feel like for his last match because.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I still think Our Truth should have been involved. Seriously,
I mean his story arc and I saw other people saying,
now he can come out of ron Cina, and I'm
okay with that too. If Our Truth now just takes
his fucking intro his theme music.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
We're serious for eleven seconds.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, Ron Killings, you mean, yes, I remember Ron Killings.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
But yeah, well that was all of I don't know
what a week.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I don't know, but yeah, it's just another thing that
WWE kind of missed on. No real interaction with Randy Orton.
He wasn't even there. Did he even do thank you
for being around Johnson? I don't even think he was
on the interviews.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, he could have filmed himself on the toilet like
Caine did, Like you said, they should have. No, there
was a lot on this show where I'm sitting there
where I'm thinking to myself, I'm going just was thrown together,
cheaply done.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I would have gotten rid of the tag match. I
would have gotten rid of the women's match. And if
you really wanted to make this the Scena thing, and
and you actually brought that up before, it's like you
can keep though, just keep him on the dark side
so that the crowd goes home happy for seeing four matches.
But I think the main show really should have been
heavy centric Sina stuff, like very heavy, and I mean

(17:09):
more than just the clips, Like I really think the
guy should have had a speech. I really think that
there should have been a moment where people came out
and they were all on mic, like this guy deserves
that for as much money as he's made, whether you
like him or not, regardless, you can't deny how much
money he's made for this company.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, well that was also the funny thing, and it
was like that wink wink, nudge nudge, you know, worker
inside baseball thing. Thanks for the househoh.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
There's a few people said that and I was like.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, my god, fucking cringe.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Tody Rhoads, thanks for the house.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, it's because you're not drawing a Cody. Is that
what you're saying? Whoops? Did I say that out loud?
Uh No. But that's such a huge problem that theyre
have going forward, where it's like, yes, Sena define this
company for a quarter of a century, and the thought

(18:05):
of like having him go out on his back, Like
I said, this is going to be one of those
things where people are going to be able to debate
forever and ever, because yeah, there was that thought that
crossed my mind. I'm like Sena's fans don't give a
shit about like, oh, it's the wrestling thing to do
for Seena to lose and go out in his last
match under him. Like most of Sena's fans aren't your

(18:27):
finger quote wrestling fan. They love John Cena. He won
ninety nine percent of his fucking matches. They just want
to see Sina hit the fucking the AA and they
with the smile on his face. It's all they wanted.
And should I sit there and say, well, that's not

(18:48):
the wrestling and the business brother brother, handshake, brother brother.
It's like, that's not what John Cena's been selling. That's
clearly what WWE doesn't sell anymore. So why are we
even pretending?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Pat O'Connell says, yeah, fuck the Chiefs for two, thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Damn they're done soon.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Joe Punches says this is great for Gunther, build that heat, brother,
and yeah it is. I I agree with that. I
think that, uh Gunther will absolutely use this for a while.
And obviously, I mean we've even toyed with the ideas
that there's a lot of people on the retirement block.
I mean, you got aj Styles, you got Seamus, you
got uh see them punk. Perhaps he probably have much

(19:30):
time left, mysterio, how much time does Ray have around?
Like there's more than a fewon Orton is probably ready
to go too, Like there's more than a few people
that are probably looking at that door now that scene
is gone, and uh yeah, Gunther can collect some skulls,
you know.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well it is is Sammy Vain basically done too. I mean,
my god, he's sitting in the crowd of mine.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
He's a seat filler. Now he's a professional WWE seed filler.
Him and Green shirt guy.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
There's just uh yeah, that was very weird because it
was sit there. Is he still active? Is he injured?
I feel like people don't really.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think he's just waiting for Kevin to get back,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, unfortunately, I don't know how much. I
don't know if that's something that he should be waiting for.
It might not happen, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Jeffrey Foster jf are Uh yeah, JF Sorry. I haven't
watched WW in months because I can't stand that scum
logan and other stuff. But I had to watch this
for Sena. He debuted on my second birthday. Tears were shed,
and I began keeping up with the w W through
you guys and DT much love. Oh thank you, jeff
I think that's I think there's a lot of people

(20:38):
like that though, too, Joe, is that there's a lot
of people that really enjoyed this because they grew up
with Sina.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
And I was gonna say, miss there were my God.
There was some point that somebody made, Oh the the
tag match with Leon and and Javon where they were
like John, these guys weren't alive. When John Cena debuted,
it's like, oh, oh, my fucking god, he really I

(21:05):
know we've made this point a million times, but he
raised this generation of people for real, for real, for real,
and the idea of it being like, well, we're gonna
go out with this classic wrestling blah blah blah blah blah.
I don't know, because somebody would look at you and
say the same thing, like, well, if this was whole COVID,
you would say the whole COVID should fucking lose his

(21:27):
l But should he? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I don't even mind him losing the match. I think
the way that he lost the match was a little sloppy, right,
Like it was a real laxadaisical tap.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Him looking at the camera and giving like a womp
womp face and then tapping. I was like, who who
made that decision?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
What a weird fucking choice, Like this was one of
those matches. And Biggie said it during the very very
long preh that I had kicking around in the background
while it was just like dicking around on my phone.
Biggie was like, it's just a night that we see
John Cena don the Crimson mask yet again, and I'm like, well,
it's on NBC, so probably not. But also at the

(22:14):
same time, it's like, wouldn't this be the time to
do that? Yeah, what din't John Cena being beat within
an inch of his life and finally giving up in
his last match, like the weird finality of it, And
like I said, this is maybe why they needed to
have John Cena win. This was similar to the Stonecolds

(22:35):
the Boston He'll turn and sending a message to the
audience of like, hey, is life really worth fucking living
because you had I know it, zone's dark, but really
think about this. Austin. His whole thing was I will
fight back against the man with my last breath until
I'm fucking dead. I'm not gonna let you scumbags tell

(22:59):
me what to you. And he turns heel and shakes
hands with the boss. Well, I guess you can't fight
City Hall and a million right and millions of restling
fans turned off and said, well, I guess that's the
end of that right now. And now here's John Cena,
who for a quarter of a century has been saying fight, fight, fight,

(23:19):
fight back. Never give up. If you're it doesn't matter
if they give you fucking stage eleven cancer, you fucking
fight back. You do everything for it. And then in
his last match, he sarcastically looks at the camera and goes, well,
I guess you gotta give up.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Sometimes it actually leads me to believe or kind of
worry about the next retirements though, because if this is
what they do for Sena, I mean, what are they
gonna do for our Truth when he retires. Nothing.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
They're gonna be like art Truth's retirement brought to you
by fucking skittles or something. I won't even give them
the skittles. I don't know. But like I said, there's this.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Weird green he just gets the green ones.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, I don't even get all the color m and
ms uh No. Like I said, there is a strange darkness,
weird vibe to these main people. Like it's like the
Undertaker leaves.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
And you go, oh, well, this is a sad Well
what about the sandology While you bring that up, what
about the symbology of him leaving his his shoes and
his underwear and his shirt all on top of the
right of symbol anything.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
He took off his comfortable dad shoes put on right
on top of the Saudi logo.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I heard a couple of chants for the shorts too,
and I was like, oh, hey, we got those fans
in the audience.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
All right, please the shorts leave the.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
They needed something to feel good about. I guess I
don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Like I said no, but I mean like symbolism, not
necessarily like in a commercial way, but yeah, I almost
felt like it was pay attention to this. It's going
to mean something.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Once again, I'm reading into it moments after we just
got done watching it, and I was like, that was really
an odd choice, Like he didn't leave it by the stairs,
which is what I thought was kind of like the
atypical thing is where the guys leave their boots by
the stairs, which makes oh no.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, it's it's in the ring. That's the classic okay,
all right, well, but also at the same time, it's
just funny because.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Once again John seen on his his little sneaks, little
spiders and like you said, right on top of the
fucking right of you know, holiday express fucking thing on it,
and it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
There's so much to this, Like I said, that was
just felt cheapened by all of the money grubbing bullshit
and the finish that, like I said, sent a message
to the audience, this thing that you've been bully even
in for twenty years is fucking cock a doo. Yeah,
that was it. That was the biggest fucking mistake that

(26:07):
they could have made with this. He should have. If anything,
if he was going out on his shield, you better
have made him go the fuck out, not like this.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Zigler Zigler fan for five says he said, it was
nice seeing Vince at the end. I'd honestly prefer him
running WWE again over Scrooge McDuck and the dufe his
son in law. They're killing this company. I mean, we
got into a big thing about that too. And I
know you were talking about earlier. Did I see Triple
H during the pre show? And I went back because

(26:39):
you actually sent me the link of the pre show
because I didn't actually get a chance to watch the
pre show, but I was watching the international feed and yeah,
I think he's just getting up there. I mean, people
got to remember, this isn't the same Triple H from
the mid two thousands. This guy's had a heart attack.
This guy is a full family. He's he's up towards

(26:59):
you know, I'm not going to say like the end
of his he's at he's at the end of his
Uh I guess I want to say journey.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
His working life. Yeah, right, yeah, that's a nice way.
He's he's got so much goddamn money obviously, is either like, right, well,
this is this is one of those moments where you know,
wrestlers in many respects and I've always compared wrestling to
a trade more than an art, like one of these

(27:27):
little fucking beret wearing turds that a lot of the
guys at work trades, you know what, when they're trip
at Ah's age, Yeah, they are walking around like shit. Yeah,
their bodies do hurt. Yeah, their backs do hurt. Yeah,
they do groan every time they sit down anywhere and
stand back up. That's just what it is. But he

(27:48):
did look, like I said on the pre show, he
you could sense it. Yeah, he's still got his muscles, sure,
but that's forty years of working out and taking pds allegedly.
But yeah, it's it's kind of he's he's on the downswing.
There's a reason why the spotlight was more on Stephanie
than him. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, JCOBJ five six or two says rip Jake's
fandom from nine to twenty five.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So I don't blame them. Like I said, there's that
feel to it, and I almost feel like an asshole
even planting it in people's minds the series finale.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
But it's it's not. It's not that crazy to think
about because how many people left when they thought Hogan
was done?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, oh no, no, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
How you brought up Steve, But are Steve Steve geez? Yeah,
we're our first to see. Yeah, you brought up Stone
Cold and it's the same thing. And I'm sure there
was fans that way about Brett Hart.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It's just the c W went onder it. A lot
of people said, that's wrestling, and I don't watch that
other ship and they just stop watching wrestling, Right, That's
how it is. Man like this, If you're this big eye,
you are the goat, You're the greatest of all time,
You're this icon. You define a generation. A lot of
people are gonna go with you.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, fandoms end. Fantoms end, and people just quit being
fans and you can't really blame them for the way
that they feel because there was nothing else to attract them.
And in all these years, that's not the fans fault.
That's WWE's fault. If WWE starts losing fans now that
Sena has gone from the company. At no point can
you blame Sena for that shit. It's WWE for not

(29:30):
building up someone else that's on par or at least
as loved as Sena was, in order to facilitate new
fans like woll.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Well, didn't you see the video where John excuse me?
Where uh not? John? Joe? Good old Joe Roman reigns,
annoy ah, Yes, from the star of the New Street
Fighter film.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
He's looking great, by the way, as Ahola. I loved
him as Akama.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah. Did you see him? Joe Roman reigns annoy, h Yeah,
he was at the end of the video package with
a little smirk. I'm like, yeah, you're not John Cena, motherfucker.
I'm sorry that never will be.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Did he not lick his lips and hold up a
hot dog? I'm just saying, ah fuck. Radical eight O
eight says nine for nine ninety ninety says Sena's last
great match was with Cody at SummerSlam. You know, I
it's kind of funny that you say that, because I
was looking up. I'm like, you know, what's really interesting
to me? What do these big weighty websites have to

(30:30):
say about John Cena's career? And I came across ESPN's
article and during the whole thing, I'm like, oh, okay, ESPN,
they're in bed with WWE. Wright they got to have
something great to say about John Cena's career, and they
they had a U what was John Cena's greatest match
and his career highlights? And what was it? The the

(30:52):
second match, the second greatest match that John Cena had.
Joe take a wild guess.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think you might have Alred spoiled this for me?
Was it John Cena versus The Big Show?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, Russell Mania twenty, John Cena versus The Big Show?
Tell me ESPN has never watched wrestling the fuck.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Perfect? Absolutely, that's totally what it was. Yeah, No, this
is it though. Sena is that guy. He's an iconic
figure in wrestling. He's defining an era that was somewhere
between the past where it wasn't all completely absorbed by

(31:36):
the Internet. And the proverbial IWC and smark ring of honor,
which then morped into the aw blah blah blah. And
this is what you get.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is like CWI stuff, right, This is like the list.
At least the ROH people and those fans that transferred over,
and even the indie smarks and some like that. At
least they have a grasp of what makes the crowd cheer.
This is just a big show, big show. ESPN said,
big show. Wow, he must be feeling great right now?

(32:12):
Is he writing for the Did he write this article?
I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Wait who wrote this? Wall Pike? Who's wall pipe?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Ravens Fanny forty two for five says, what's going to
happen when all of the superstars are retired in five years?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's what's blowing my mind. You say five years. I
think they can get it done in two. I think
you can clear how that locker room in two years.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
And unfortunately they're going to accelerate this process apparently because.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
A lot of free money. Free money, you're going to
play on people's tears and emotions for the next two years.
That is how TKO is going to keep ratings up.
That's how they're going to keep people around. AJ styles
getting ready to go, Ray Mysterio getting ready to go,
Like these guys are going to draw big, but it's like, Okay,

(33:08):
you've only got so many popcorns to pop over here before.
Who's left?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, do you know what's going to be really funny
is when Kansas City outbids any place in California and
we retire Ray Mysterio in Missouri.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes, I'll go, I'll go front row to that.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Will that be good? Though? Yeah? You know, we should
probably retire Ray Mysterio in a popular in an area
with a heavy Latin American population Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, so they offered us the most money. So and
who's it sponsored by Taco bell I'll say it ain't
so parties. Oh yeah, of course, checkers, checkers, They're not
even going to try to give them fake right, fake Mexican.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Brought you I pop Eye spicy Chicken sandwich.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Brought to you by Target. And speaking of Target, Ray
Mysterios walking down on the ring right now?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Now, how do you say target in Spanish? Taj whoa,
I am learning a dude language?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Street fighter for ten says, you know, I don't think
fans are upset that's seen a loss. It's the fact
that he tapped people, paid all that money for four
matches and got a hot dog and a five knuckle shuffle. Hey,
that was a commemorative hot dog, sir. Did you not
see the cookie the John Cena wrapped napkin cookie that
she was eating. And I'm like, Joe, everything there must

(34:38):
have been commemorative. There must have been commemorative cups, commemorative nachos,
commemorative dogs.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Just well, dude, just even the fact that before the
thing was even once again on the pre show even started,
they were sitting there going, look at all this march.
Look at all this march. March, march, march, march. There's
more merch. There's more of it. Yep, there's more of it.
Look at this this You want that? You want this?
You want that? If anything, the funniest thing to me,
and I sent it to you earlier, was the fact

(35:07):
that the Patriots put up a thing for Sina where
it was like a commemorative towel with the Patriots logo
on it, and I was like, but in my mind,
I'm so adjusted to WWE trying to scrape every fucking
nickel off of you. I go, I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's not for sale, right, I think it the.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Pay I'm like, the Patriots didn't even have that immediately
ready to sell two weeks before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
They were actually just looking to see how many likes
it gets, and then they were just going to start,
you know, rushing out pre orders.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
So yeah, right, well, they had to know they would
get a ton, of course, they would have had to
have known they might as well. Just dude, they could
have printed twenty thousand of those things. It would all yeah,
and even if it didn't sell out, they could just
put them on the seats at the next of the
fucking right right the next day when people would have

(35:59):
been like this rule, you know, it would have been
an easy sho.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I'd like to see if the Patriots or anybody else
does anything special for him now that he's gone, And
I wonder if he's going to be doing more of
the inn Obviously he's going to do more of the
interview tour, but kind of curious to see what he
does from here on out. But Zigular Fan for another
two says, you fucked up. Chance were deserved for this
booking Yeah, the barrage of booze and hatred towards towards

(36:25):
poor little H, poor little H walking out to that ring.
I think it's I think it's deserved in a lot
of ways. It like you opened up the show saying
that there's just something off about this whole thing, and
I agree. It was very overly produced. It just didn't
feel like something that was really given the proper time.

(36:46):
But I don't know if that's because of the last
six months. I don't know if that's because they just
didn't have any ideas for Saturday night's main events, even
though they've been going into it for a while now.
I don't know what it is, but it feels like
it was poorly planned. So the fact that the fans
were audibly upset at the arena, I think it's deserved.
I honestly, and usually I don't try to shit on

(37:09):
Triple H, because you know, I give him a pass
on a lot of things, and I might give him
an unfair pass tool to most things. But this, this one, no,
this one is a huge fuck up. This should have
been TKO, Nick Khn, Triple H, Stephanie, everybody, the Powers
at be John Cena everybody should have been working in
unison to make this fucking special.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
And instead it was just mostly video packages and bullshit.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh then it was horrible. That video package was awful.
It was so bad. I got to go back and
watch it again because I was just laughing too hard
at Sina hanging on the ropes joke, because they had
like a little picture and picture right like they're showing
you this touching moments like oh, look that's my mom
My mom is on the screen and he's leaning on

(37:57):
there and he's like looking at the crowd and he's
paying real deep attention. I'm like, John Cena doesn't care
about this shit.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
No, I gotta also think to myself for a moment,
And it's funny because maybe we're displacing this whole you know,
should John Cena be retired here? Or it should have
happened at a WrestleMania because obviously it should have happened
at a WrestleMania, right, But is this one of those

(38:25):
moments where this wasn't WWE calling it instead it's Jawn
just trying to get out.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Maybe that's maybe that's it, but you know what, even
still then you make fucking exceptions for your number one guy.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
No, No, but I mean maybe he was like, I'm
I'm just needing to Maybe he's trying to make his
way for the door. He knows something is coming up,
he knows that he's just ask.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
You about the symbolism of him dropping everything on top
of the rider thing. You know.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Maybe I don't know, Honest to God, it's somewhere in
my mind that like, it keeps. I keep thinking about
a co worker of mine who lived farther away from
work and wanted to move closer so was able to
get a house on a short sale, which she just
it doesn't happen in our area. It's just it doesn't.

(39:16):
It doesn't happen in a lot of places anymore, because
it's really fucking hard to find a house, find one
that's within your price range. But the realtor told her
that it was a couple who were divorcing and they
just wanted to sell the fucking house and or should

(39:36):
I say the husband wanted to want it out. I
was thinking to myself, I'm going, oh, yeah, that guy cheated.
He fucked up real bad to where it's like, you
got this big, beautiful house and you're like, I just
got to sell it. I just I got to get
the fuck out of here. And it's like, is that
what happened with Cina here? He's like he was, like,
I got cheated on and I just got to sell
this fucking house. I mean, I'll lose a couple hundred grand,

(40:00):
means I can just go on with my life, right,
you know. I don't know. Maybe that's the only reason
I could think as to why it's happening, like I said,
in the middle of December instead of in Las Vegas
in front of seventy fucking thousand people. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Ritasaurus says, for two, will Gunther retire Lesnar? If not
Will Brown.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
You might as well. Honestly, I mean, why not go
in that direction, because who's gonna who else? Is it
gonna be? Like, it's like, obviously Gunther is the right
guy for this job if we're going from the mindset of,
like I said, it's wrestling and we're trying to build
stars for the future whatever, which I don't know if

(40:47):
WW even really understands that or cares too, but I
guess well.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think they do, because isn't that what tonight was? Like,
I know, we've been really spending a majority of time
on scene, as we should. But WWE did highlight four
new talents out there that really haven't had much WWE
mainstream television time or if any other than NXT. So
I mean that an attempt was made, right, or technically

(41:17):
five if you want to count. Jojo Siwa was standing
on the outside of the ring.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh yeah, that was That was an odd choice, I
guess because bird Girl was out there, which, by the way,
it was nicer bird Girl to wear her finest pajama shirt.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh man, I love that she's a metal head. That's
so cool.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Is that the case or is she just a girl
who buys it at hot Top?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes, she's just wearing her Halloween costume.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, it looks it looks like she borrowed like her
boyfriend's old stinky shirt to go, like run and get
something at the fucking convenience store. And that's what she's
wearing out to John Ceda's retirement match show.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
But Patrick O'Connell says in a serious note, I'm actually
scared for Punk's retirement if this is how you treat Sina. Also,
Goldberg has nothing a bitch about now, Yeah, I mean,
I guess, yeah, he'll figure out something, but I agree
the punk thing is a little bit worrisome because that's, like,
you know, arguably punk is another one of those guys

(42:17):
that should be a big to do a big fanfare
more than really a lot of other people like Ray
Mysterio should absolutely get tons of props. But I think
CM punk was another guy that drew a lot of
people into WWE. His pipe bomb promos, even especially early
in his career against John Cena, against the establishment John
Cena was something that fans bid onto and even if

(42:39):
they didn't like the straight edge society stuff or whatever else,
there were still moments in CM Punk's career that people
follow him, People flocked to him. People went back into
his catalog and his library from the RHDS and and
even IWA Mid South and all these other places just
to understand more about the character. And w W is

(43:01):
going to give this to Sina. I mean, where are
they going to retire punk? Anchorage?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know, you know she m punk? Are you people
who used to think it stood for Chicago maid but
it actually meant.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Cold ad a Uga maide, cold man punk. Because we're
an Anchorage, Alaska. Everybody good.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Just him up there, you know, he's doing his final run.
He's with a bunch of husky Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, Husky's down to the ring. That'd be great. Yeah,
it's outdoor too, all fantastic.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Just just doing the Adirondack. You know, that's what you
want to do, is this Chicago punk for your last match?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Dave Byrne for two euros says, you know, I think
Sina had booked tonight. It was a weird one. Yeah,
I mean it made sense. A gun the one, right,
like that's that's what's supposed to happen. I think just
the tapping out was a little silly. Overall, the match
was fine. I really did enjoy I mean, if we're
going to talk about the structure of the match, I

(44:08):
love that John Cena went into you guys gotta cheer me.
This is the last knuckle shuffle, the last one, and
everybody's like okay, and then the cheers started coming up
and gout. There's like fuck you, this is a match
reverse you know, Suplex. I'm like, oh okay, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
No dude. It was very It was just very fucking that.
It probably should have just been Dom Dom should have
just fucking eaten a pen. I'm really starting to just
lean in that direction because yes, everyone was gonna bitch

(44:51):
one way or the other, and I get it, I'm
bitching here too.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
But Dom had lost, because Dom is he has a
strong enough character that win and losses don't matter. They
just want to see Dom exactly. He's he's got, He's
getting to that point and arguably he might be the
only one that I can actually see has a long
way to go before he even hits a ceiling. Like

(45:15):
I love Gunther, but but Gunther is a one note guy.
And I don't mean that in a bad way, because
the note that he plays is amazing. He is an
amazing foreign heel and at some point I'd like to
see him and Russev buddy up a little bit. But
it's uh, Dom Dom is international, truly fucking international. The

(45:36):
stuff that he's doing down in Triple A just he's
getting everybody into him, and honestly, there's gonna be a
lot of weight, a lot of weight on that guy's
shoulders going forward.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So honestly, and it seems kind of now here we are,
it's like completely in a past tense. It's like we
already fucking ate dinner, and I'm like, you know where
else we should have you know what we should have
eaten for dinner. But truly, if they'd have done attag
Match as John Cena's last match, him and Randy versus
whomever and whomever, I would have also have been fine

(46:08):
with that.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
John Smith for five says tell kids to fight cancer,
but taps out to an angry looking Austrian. Thank you
min it made for bringing us to the precipice of nihilism.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Jesus, that's like I said him looking at the camera.
Would this look on his face like, actually, do give up?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You know what, maybe give up is a good idea,
Like still so weird. I would have rather him gotten
fucking completely passed out, choked out fucking records, because even
Gunter set it up on Monday, He's.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Like, I'm going to make him give up, and I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Cool, cool cool.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But at the same time, why well no, Honestly, when
he tapped out out, Gunther shouldn't have stopped if they
really wanted to play that, right, Oh yeah, you tapped out.
That's nice. I'm not fucking I'm not done yet. I'm
not finished with you yet. You know, like Gunther should
have kept going, and then it would have made it

(47:14):
uncomfortable for the audience, and then the audience would have
gotten angry, and gun There would have kept going. And
you do it to this point where maybe maybe you
get to the point where you know they're hitting the
bell and somebody comes down to the ring and then
you have the feel good moment of everybody in the
locker room comes out to save Sena and Gunther just
laughs as he walks up the ramp kind of go

(47:36):
and see.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Or you have or that's when you send out Randy
to like try to pull him off him or something,
and then you have Randy versus gun There. And you
said something up right instead, like you said it was
like all right, everybody's sitting around and watch the video.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, it was like we were in class or something.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know, it's just and it's say it. It's like
they go for these this is your moment. You know,
this is your moment, this is your life whatever ship
and it just didn't didn't hit at least in my opinion,
you know, didn't hit.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Nick Raymond for five says fucking you on the way,
Ah it's brought to you by a major company. I
stopped watching years ago, but I can't quit listening to
you guys in cornet rip it so well.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Thank you. But but this is also and I said
this to you before we got on, I'm like, this
is what happens. But when are people gonna finally put
together this idea where it's like corporate shit. They don't
make anything better, they're never making anything. They're not improving
anything on any leg.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Oh they are, their wallets are doing just fine.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah for yeah, five hundred people get to enjoy it.
Some it was some fucking me by saw where it's
just like right now, it's like five hundred people live
on the on the planet, like you get to enjoy it,
and everyone else is just the supporting cast to their
to their fucking lives. But no, like that's what it is.

(49:02):
Is like you look at it and you go, well,
I guess we can just completely corporatize this. There's no
emotion behind it, there's no feeling behind it. But then
I guess, to some extent, for the people that have
been watching Sina who weren't children or viewing it with
a critical lens, that's what scene has been all along,

(49:24):
so I don't know what to really look for.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Oh, we have a bunch more super chats to hit up.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
But I guess, by the way, thank you for that, guys.
We really again in the lot coming in. I mean,
it's kind of a hot topic. I guess when the
most important guy of the twenty twenty two thousands says
quit wrestling, well.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It's not even just that. There's a few people in
here that said that they're done with WWE. They're done
with wrestling, and this is one of those moments. It's
I believe them. I wouldn't be surprised if there is
a lot of people that will be listening to Wrestling
Soup for their very last time this.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Week, which I mean, don't I mean, please check us out.
I mean, we'll talk about it, just hang out.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
We talked about other things on Friday, at least on
the patret.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
We'll talk about it. I mean, I'm telling you right now,
you think you'll be done fully with wrestling.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
You'll go back. Everybody goes back. They'll you know what,
You'll dip your toe in. Maybe you'll watch the Rumble,
You'll watch some highlights going into WrestleMania, but you might
be done as far as sacrificing nine hours a week
to the almighty SmackDown Raw and NXT.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Gods towards having three apps that cost X amount of
dollars running at all times to do these things. Like
I said, I had the peacock thing on and they're like, well,
here's seen us last, and it just completely shits out.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I'm like, don't you You know what if this was
money in the bank and they were like, oh well,
the end of money in the bank kind of went
ku putz, I'd be like, well, okay, that kind of sucks,
but shucks.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Let me hit this one up before we get ready
to move on a little bit, uh from Maximus Alex
for fifty Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That's fucking awesome, dude, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
It's ridiculous. In interviews, Sina gave over the last week
or so that he said he offered them two hundred
and twenty days and they told him that they only
needed him for thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
The look on his face at the end sense it all.
He's disappointed, but it's over.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Maybe that's it. Maybe that is what I called earlier
saying that it's just the guy trying to sell the
house because nasty divorce. Yeah, you know, trying to.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Two twenty and they only gave him thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yep, so was wow. Yeah, Sina was trying to give
him something. Yeah, he's just putting all this shit for
up cheap on Facebook marketplace. He's moving to fucking Cincinnati,
you know, getting the fuck out of Dodge. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well, I mean, let's get into the basics of it.
I mean, we opened up tonight's show in Washington, DC
at the Hollada Walmart, and we had Joe Testicle and
Stephanie McMahon standing around a table talking about Sina a
little bit, and then then we had like Cody Rhodes

(52:20):
and Oba Femi opening up the initial the opening match,
which it was fine for what it was. I think
I think the crowd was impressed with Femi, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, you could tell he still had a little bit
of an oat shit look on his face. Yeah, I mean,
it is overwhelming for this dude. He's I feel like
the biggest crowd he's probably wrestled in front of. It at
this point was a few thousand people, and this was
obviously a very very big moment and a big, big
break for the guy, but there was nothing particularly wrong

(52:53):
with the match. I still feel like the end I
called it on Thursday. I'm like, they're gonna do some
sort of or whatever. Oh, of course, but like just
for it to be Drew.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I don't understand that one either, And they were like, oh,
but they have a history going back, and I'm like, yeah,
but wasn't Drew just motherfucking see him punk like a
month ago. Again, Drew just doesn't like anybody, I think
at this point is what.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
They're Drew at this point is like the biggest, most
gigantic little shit stir. Yes, it makes no sense. It's
like this giant jack Scottish guy with like long hair
and this menacing scowl. But at the same time he's

(53:40):
a little He's like the miss like the Mis was
for years, where it's just like, oh, he's just here
to be a little piss ant, which he missed to
nobody's surprised with a piss ant on the show. But
it's like then, I don't know. It gives Drew a haircut,
tell him to stop lifting so many fucking weights.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Stop looking good.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, I mean, get a belly, dude, eat some pop
you know, eat some pop tarts, gained some weight, can.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Hang out with the war Raiders, you know, get a
little light on, you.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Get on the Ivar diet for about two and a
half weeks.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You get some dirty feet, you can fill in Valhalla spot.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
You know. It's just so what you're saying is I
got to eat all these fucking oreos.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, he's already got the dress and the legs, right,
That's all he means. It's some oreos and some dirty feet.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
That's a good point. He's already got half the gear.
Now he's just got a smear poo on his face
and it'll be okay on the leg.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
But yeah, Drew got involved. Cody got split open by
the side of the head or the ear. I wasn't
really sure. There was a little bit of blood coming
off the side of his face. At the end of it.
The whole match ended up in a no contest, But yeah,
that was that was the opener. Then we got a
lot of a lot of scene of tributes from random heads.

(54:57):
Becky did kind of make me laugh because she's like,
don't you you got a few more years, isn't you,
and I was just like, oh, it's kind of cute.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Anyways, Well, the good thing is about seeing Becky has said.
We were like, well, we don't have to see sass I.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You know, we joked, but I'm like, I wouldn't be
surprised if Seth shows up in the main event.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Somehow, I cannot believe.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Were you surprised? Study?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, I figured he'd at least show up in some
capacity on the show, because in my mind, I'm going,
there's no way this guy isn't going to do something
to kind of be like, look, I'm important. Look I'm
as important as these people like I would have sworn
that that's what he would have done. But I don't know.

(55:45):
Maybe he's I know, he's doing like sports commentary on whatever,
Fox Sports one or something. I don't know, so maybe
that's it. Maybe he's gearing up for the football games tomorrow,
which is obviously something he should be doing instead. And
I mean that sarcastically, but also I'd rather have him
do that than be on ww TV, So I'm not complaining.

(56:08):
Stay wherever the fuck you are, Seth.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
We got Bailey Versus soul Ruka up next.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Intersting.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, I mean, it was nice and it was a
fine match, and obviously, you know, we pointed out a
tire of Jojo siwah and and.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, who does that girl have pictures of? Why is
she always on this? Why is she always on the
n XT? Is is she supposed to be her manager
or something?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
She's a wrestler.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I mean what you know, why is this girl in
like weird New Metal ship following out the Surfer Girl? Oh?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Because they're the opposites attracting. It's like Caine and Daniel Bryant.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Oh to Jerry and William Regal. Okay, I gotcha where
She's like, this is this is my this is my
new metal fucking stuffy that I bring everywhere with me.
It's like, yeah, I don't, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Or Bailey and Bird Girl opposites track guys, isn't that
what everybody likes? Opposites attract everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
But by the way, neither of them did anything of
any value in the match.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
So what was No, it was fine, soul Ruka was
doing actually really well.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
No, no, no, no, I mean the two New Metal
Girl and Bird Girl.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Oh did you miss the time that that that she
hit the ring with her hands, and then there was
a time that bird Girl was clapping Like I mean, Joe,
these are important things that add to add value to
a match, Like I wouldn't know to cheer unless bird
Girl was clapping for me first. Only oh I'm supposed

(57:47):
to cheer now.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Well, but I guess to some extent at least bird
Girl is in an active tag team with Bailey. Yes,
but the other one, I'm like, what the fuck is
going on here? I don't know. This gave me a
little bit of Tom McGee vibes. I think soul Rufe
is good.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh yeah, no, I love her.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think she's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I've made jokes about her being like the new Daisy Hayes,
but believe me, that's not a slight at all.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
So no, no, she's she will get better in a
lot of respects. I think that, honestly, the finish might
be all she fucking needs. I think she might be
able to get over on the main roster just doing
the fucking finish.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
But yeah, Bailey, Bailey took the al Joe, were you
very surprised by that?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I am shocked. I cannot believe that Bailey lost, which
which Bailey came out. She hugged Fish, She hugged Torres
looked fantastic. I haven't seen her in like twenty fucking years,
I feel like. But also at the same time, I'm like,
what a weird It's there's some weird people there, Like

(58:56):
was Eve Torres a good did she date see or
was she? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
That's what I was gonna say, is like, why Eve
Torres and why the front row?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Were they pals that we just didn't know, like do
they have like a long relationship, but like I said,
even a friend.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I was like, well, why not Nicky James?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
And then I was like, oh, yeah, oh all right,
yeah that's not good.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Why not Nicki Bella?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I was genuinely surprised Nicki wasn't out there. I really
was in a weird way. Look, we know that the
relationship broke up and everything, but supposedly there's still buddies
and they're still friends and pals and stuff. Right, I
thought maybe Nicki would come down there. I'm not saying
like she was gonna run at the ring, throw her
arms around him and give a big smooch on the
side of the cheek or nothing, But I don't know

(59:41):
it was it was weird going back to the scene
and think, I'm sorry, it's just it was fucking weird.
Just a lot of things, all right. But but was
there too, so I mean, oh yeah, that made sense
for some reason.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It was really Yeah, there were some odd people in
that in that little kiddy corner over there in Vandamn
who I love Van Damn. But I was like, what
did they did They just send out like a group text?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Oh yeah, No, I mean you didn't. You didn't enjoy
the rock reading off of his uh forearm again that script?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Oh god?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
About him and Taker?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I mean, really weird, dude. Listen everybody. When take A
started doing the podcast and you and I were like,
can you not? It was like, are you guys being
haters or blah blah blah. I'm just like, no, just
I he just this is not for him, This is
not something that will be. But all it has done

(01:00:41):
since he has started speaking more actively has revealed him
to be such a fucking phony cornball god with his
phony fucking Christian grading wife like no, thank you, no
fucking thank you, and like you and you said it too,
You were like, can these guys do anything resembling sounding

(01:01:04):
like genuine people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh scripted, somebody's writer made those scripts for those guys.
I'm like, Jesus Christ. Rock sounds like he's reading for
a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You know. It's just the Rock was like, I'm really
just so happy for you, John. I can't believe that
this amazing career that you have had is now coming
to an end. I'm like, oh my, just stop it,
just stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Take her with the take her with the guys like
us kind of line, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I'm just like, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Nikola Fan for two says, next up AJ's retirement sponsored
by Dude wipes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
They don't wash none. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Jose Gyee for five says Triple Harram, destroying any good
reputation he had built in these past ten years in
just one year. Yeah, it's it's been a rough It
has been a rough year for Triple H. And again
I'm usually the guy kind of tap dancing along with
him because I think that there's a lot of good

(01:02:11):
that should come from a guy like Triple H. But
I don't know. It's moments like this that you have
to really look and go, man, maybe you should pass
the book over to somebody else. And it's not like
there is another people that are around that could do
a good job as well. Look at what Sean's doing
in NXT, Like there's it's a really weird thing that
he doesn't take more I guess input, or maybe he

(01:02:34):
does and we just don't know it, but it just
feels like there's a lot of input or there's a
lot of just bad decisions being made or poor decisions
being made that maybe they sounded great on paper, but
in execution they come out completely differently. Because look, let's
be honest here, right, there's no way that I believe
and maybe other people do, but I believe Triple H

(01:02:58):
genuinely wanted seen as retirement, whether it was cut short
by two hundred days or not, I believe that Triple
H wanted Sena's retirement to truly be a big thing.
He likes big things. This is the guy that came
out as a fucking terminator at Rustling Like he likes
the big atmosphere. So in my mind, I'm thinking, well,

(01:03:20):
of course he wants Johnson to have that big atmosphere.
This is an important moment, this is his final match,
this is a changing of the guard. If you will,
why wouldn't you want it? And maybe he had notes, Joe,
maybe he had an entire portfolio just full of nothing
but great ideas, and they said yes and yes and

(01:03:41):
yes and yes and whatever happened from the point of
discussing this around the table with the other peers of
his to the execution of it, it feels like it
was lost along the way completely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Well, that was it. This is once again the corporate filter, right.
Everybody that has ever heard any of these, you know,
creative stories about a director that's writing a movie and
then the you know, the big wigs step in and
they go, yeah, I know this movie's about a boy
and his dog, but what if we get rid of
the boy and the dog. You're like, wait, what, that's

(01:04:21):
the whole movie?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
And what if we added daily DeVito with a machine gun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I was like, oh, well, you know, like, well that
doesn't make any sense. They like, you know what, I think,
you just got to be more positive addition, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I mean, HIV positive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I mean that's it. It's like you're over here,
you guys are just counting away the days. You guys
are just looking at this, going, hey, what about if
we do the story about the dog that plays basketball
and instead of that, Why don't we just instead do

(01:04:58):
the movie about Tom Hanks and Philadelphia. Well, I'm sorry,
I was trying to play off here. That's positive joke there,
but I don't know. Once I guess it's just hard
to stay positive after tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Uh we got Dirty Bird five says if WW is
ending the sports Entertainment era, they should have they should
have Sina take Seth with him out the door. I mean,
we don't want him to leave. Is that big of
a baby face? Do we?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Like? Yeah? Him and Seth just Thelma and Leise themselves together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Seth was crying and screaming and Scena's just dragging him
out by a foot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Which that's that's it. It's like I look at this
and I go, I guess this is the future of
this huh State cop Yeah, Seth Raw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, No. Seth Rollins is going to get even more
TV time now. He's going to be the focal center.
And the problem is is it should be more focused
around Cody Rhodes at least a little bit. I mean,
if this is going to be their guy, I don't
understand why they're putting so much behind Seth. Oh, I
know why?

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Sorry, right, right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
But it's just you're wasting time with Seth Rowlins. It
shouldn't be the Seth Rolins Show. And I know he's
not even there right now, but it's like we're still
so fucking so damaged. I'm still suffering, like pt Seth
you know disorder JUSTSD.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Well, that's that's it. We just know that, you know,
someone has become just absolutely fucking unbelievably insufferable when he's
gone for three more months and we're still dreading it.
It's like it's like when you get out of work
at a job that you hate on Friday and you're
already afraid of Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Man, it's like your principal called home and you've got
to go home, and your dad's waiting at home with
a belt and you know what's coming, you know what's coming,
but you have to go home. There's nowhere else for
you to go. Sure, you can go to your friend's
house for an hour, and no, I'm doing some homework
playing Nintendo because you're trying to get it in because
you know you're not going to see a Nintendo for that.
I'm just living a flashback here, guys. That's all. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
You're like I couldn't imagine such.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yah. Ziglar fan of two says, don't worry, Joe, we
still have Seth for another decade.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Hell yeah, He'll just keep me. I got stem cells.
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Nick Raymond says for five. Just watch. They'll somehow convince
enough people that guys like Joe Hendry, Hayes, Saints and
lizard Man are top guys when the current top guys retire.
And the problem is is they're going to do it
after they retire. That's the problem they should be establishing.
Some of these guys are trying something now, like I

(01:07:44):
think tonight was a good move, but it's just I mean,
was that the hint? Well, AJ's gonna retire, right, is
Bailey next? Is Bailey gonna retire? Is that why she
was up against? Is Cody gonna retire? Is that why
he's up against O?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
That would be great if Cody was just like, thank
you John for passing Decouch, I'm off to be a
movie star.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Now, and Romans still like I'm the big dog and
that is was like, all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Right, Roman's like I think I'm gonna I'm gonna transfer
this street fighter role into some really some big pictures, which,
by the way, maybe that's the best thing that could
happen to wrestling, is the movie industry collapsing, because if
you think you're like, yeah, I'm gonna become a movie star,

(01:08:31):
it's like that's not even a thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Oh no, no, of course not. I mean look at
him JA.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
That happy go. He got that Gilmour role. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh DJ, much love DJ for five Nice to see
him again. He's our old school YouTube guy. See it
can be so cold and weird in public. Tonight was
the night that he should have shed its tear to
show his appreciation of the fans. Just weird much love. Yeah,
I man, we talked about this a couple of times.
I really think he should have had a speech. I

(01:09:05):
really do. For as much as uh they wanted to
shoehorn that music video in there, Joe, he really should
have had a five minute speech. I'm sure Johnson could
have come up with something really nice to say. Clearly,
he loves the fans. He doesn't want to break That's
that's the weird thing too. Do you remember when the
Rock left, you know, and people were kind of jaded

(01:09:28):
about the Rock for years, like they didn't know how
to feel like some people still cheered the guy and
went to his movies, and other people were like, fuck
that guy. I don't think that even the people that
are happy that he's gone. And maybe I'm just projecting,
but I don't think they have ill will towards the guy.
No one wants Johnsena to end up like a bum. Right, Yeah,

(01:09:51):
we want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
To know what do they think that's a thing that
will happen That I also think too. But miss This
is also where r like I said, I think that
see Is was ready to go because of shit like
the lack of the tears and the emotion lead me
to believe it's like, yeah, the crying's done. The crying's done,
you know, the papers have been signed, the house has

(01:10:13):
been sold, everything's done. You're on your way. You can't
fall anymore. Maybe, but there's that moment where you're facing it.
There's that moment when you actually walk out the door
for the last time. That's that's emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Right, Like you can get all that done, you can
get the paperwork done, you know, and and maybe you
can even sign your name on the divorce papers. But
until that lawyer, finally, until the stamp comes down until
a judge says that's it. You're done. Like there's always
this weird hanger on of emotion and I assume that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Maybe, well, if you are signing those divorce papers, miss
you looked up and the lawyer looked at you and said,
this divorce brought to you by a minute made, maybe
that's when you go, okay, I think it's really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
The lawyer says, I'll see you in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Like lawyers, just this divorce brought to you by Saudi
Arabia tourism. Come here. We're probably not gonna kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Serry. Word for two says Punk will retire at Pizzaio
Uno and Iowa perfect fucking perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yes, that is the move. Maybe that's what they could do.
They could be like CEM punk. The pea stands for pizza.
I mean, there you go, yeah, PA.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Punk, Yeah, there you go Punk.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Oh, how can we make that into CM punk more
like JP Morgan, Like maybe something like that. Jesus, let's
just be as gross of corporate pig horse as we
can be and completely sell these people's lives work away
for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
James Robinson for an AUSSI five says honestly, while underwhelming
gun through making him tap is how it has always been,
go out on your shield. Decent match. But the ending
was right, and I I'll give you some credence, right.
I just don't think it should have been just the tap.

(01:12:16):
I think Gunther should have went further in. They were
already chanting fuck you Gunther, like they they had already
broken that mold, like they they had to have YouTube
censor all this naughty language and stuff. It's like, if
Gunther's already drawing that kind of heat, why not go
the next level. This is John Cena's retirement and your Gunther,

(01:12:38):
you want to ruin this moment. John Cena's hafed he
lost the match. That's great, keep fucking going, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah, that's that's it too you. That is a good
point where if you're gonna, you know, invest in this
in the way that you wanted to, Gunter shouldn't just
roll out of the ring and put his arms up
like hooray. Yeah, like you really just go the extra mile,
really solidify he's a piece of shit. I mean, really

(01:13:09):
really solidify He's a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Zigular fan for another two much love Duder Joe Henry
is the future of w w E. I yeah, the
Joe Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Bit, Nah, he's not gonna be Yeah. If anything, I'm
surprised he even got the reaction he did on this.
And that's not like a slide on him. It's just
like anything else, the memes and that kind of yuck
yuck thing, it dies out, you know, there's a reason
why WW. I'm sure when he's out of his lucrative

(01:13:40):
AW contract won't be like millions are to be made
with Dan Hausen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Is Joe Henry twenty twenty six fan dango?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Oh? That's that would that would be a great outcome
for him, honestly at this point if he could make
it lasts another year, I mean, how long is the
Joe Henry turning around? Fast? And Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
But they haven't really, they really haven't pulled that that
card on mainstream WWE yet, not a little bit, a
little bit. You got a little taste here and there,
But I don't think the WWE machine has been around
marketing Joe Henry yet. Joe Hendry, Well, Hendry is an
odd last name to say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Uh yeah, I don't know. I feel like all the
money that they could have made from him has already
kind of come and gone, Wow, he's a good he's
a good little character. You can, like you said, have
him show up every now and then. He's good in TNA.
He can play that kind of character in that role.
But I don't know, I don't see that being somebody

(01:14:47):
that's on television every week making the money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
The extreame we uh for five says. I hated how
Sina tapped smile and the lightest tap. This is only
okay in my book if the idea is counter aj
at Mania with AJ winning.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah, I told like I said, I just hated the
smirk on his face. Well, I guess it's time to
give up. But that's bad to me. It was the
biggest issue with it. Should have gone out completely fucking cold,
choked out what it was not that though not great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Next match, let's talk about the uh Leon Slater, Jamon Evans,
AJ styles and Dragon Lee match.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Aw was missing a match, Huh. I'm sorry, it's it's
too fast, too spotty. Yeah, it's not my style. And
I know there's people that love this stuff and that's great.
AJ almost fucking killed himself on the ropes there trying
to keep up with people half his age, a quarter
of his age. Ah yeah, I just not a fan

(01:15:57):
of it. I get it there. Their moves looked crisp.
Obviously they were showing what was it, Leon Slater clearing
the pipe by a half an inch, which was crazy.
It was a crazy job, right, they get some crazy height.
Obviously they made the montez Ford attachment to and I
think that's great for the shock factor, but nobody sells.

(01:16:19):
Everybody gets up right after this shit hits and it's like, oh,
I'm back on my feet like that? Why all right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Whatever? Do you know what I was? I know that
they probably didn't have a terribly long amount of time
because they had to fill it with the same video
package over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over again. But
I would have loved to have seen these guys just
have a regular ass tag match, because I think that
at least I've seen Javon wrestle enough. I haven't seen

(01:16:48):
Leon Slay to wrestle enough, but I think that they
could have had a really good well never mind, because
it's babyface versus Babyface. They they kind of put themselves
in a position where that wasn't even an option. It
had to just be flippity doo fucking spot. Look at this,
isn't that crazy? Because once again, it's like if you

(01:17:10):
had two heels as your champions, and you had two
young baby faces who could go out there and do
these kinds of like flashy shit and sell and work
from underneath, you could do that. But like you're not
gonna get that with Dragonlye and you know what I mean,
Like sorry, yeah, I don't know, just not great.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Ah, let's see, I mean, yeah, it's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
For two, Jacob says, all I could focus on was Soult. Yeah,
she's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Absolutely, I mean she's certainly, she's got a lot of
got a lot of positives.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I mean I will say this, I Uh, if you
guys paid close enough attention, you could actually see her
soul during the pin. You could see Ruca's soul during
that pin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Just saying yeah, there was there were multiple instances that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Was a choice of wardrobe. That's I know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Well, I think she's just so insanely athletic and long,
like her frame is so long and lean that you're
just gonna kind of not much is going to be
able to be left to the imagination unless she's wearing
a burka. Let's thanks AUSSI.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Jesus A j Hernandez for five says. I kept thinking
Triple H was jealous that he was never able to
have his own retirement tour because it was hard issues.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
That's possible, I would roll it out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
That's evil though, that you would. I mean, let's let's
break that down for a second. I like where A.
J Hernandez is going on this. If you really break
that down, then that means that all the people that
have loved Sina and I'm not even talking about just
the fans. I'm talking about within the company, all the
people that love Sena, regardless of Wade Barrett and Nah

(01:19:06):
Guy Byron Saxton or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Joey Spaghett Tony or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Right, Like, you have to think of all the money
that he's made the company, and he's and he's made
Triple H, and he's made everybody else to be so
self centered that you would tank this man's career ending
right to tank his retirement because you didn't get your
own version of a retirement.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
He goes, he goes a hell of the drug.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Fuck. I don't you know what, I'll never understand that
it's fine. Huh. Patrick Connor for five says if people
wanted La Knights, this match would bury him more than
he is already now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I mean he could hit that. Dude could just eat
Losses now left and right. I guess him drew. They
just jacked Losers, which just a it was like to
some extent I said the other day, and I'm surprised
that I didn't get more blowback on it. But it's
like one of the main things that I've made fun
of AW for many of the main things that I've

(01:20:11):
made fun of them for. WWE is now starting to
do where it's like, oh you more jacked and over
time for you to get your fucking ass kitts all
the time. It's like they're kind of getting to that point.
They're starting to do those things too. But yeah, I mean, now,
there's no way Night Night would have just been you
just lost the match, right, Wouldn't that have been what

(01:20:33):
it was?

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
S Gunther hasn't allure to him too. He has a
history of being this badass like La Knight is in
this weird middle of the road point for his career.
He shouldn't be right, Like the fans have clearly dictated
to WWE at multiple points that they wanted La Knight
to be the guy, but they keep pulling the rug
on him. They keep pulling the rug on this guy

(01:20:54):
with seth rollins with other people, and it's kind of
like it's it's gotten the point that he's everybody's favorite,
lovable loser. And Guntherro, on the other hand, has an
allure to him. He has a future career. He's going
to be the big bad for a lot of people
down the road, so it makes sense that they give
John Cena's soul to gun There. Zigular fan for five says, no,

(01:21:18):
Randy Orton, but at least we had Andrew Schaltz there,
did we? I miss the Andrew?

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I didn't see him. Was he Was he there slapping
the guy's leg next to him over and over and over? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Was he telling jokes? Because that crowd is dead for
a few of these matches.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, he's sitting next to Mark Henry going yo, dog,
I'm just like yougi.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Was he creeping on Eve Torres? Maybe trying to get
some of our cookie? Also cheered Vince's image on screen
as loud as they boot triple h and that says
a lot. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
You know that you've really done something something. Indeed, when
we've gotten to a point where we're like, listen, this
guy poops on women and abuses people, and we've released
a seven part Netflix documentary and what a terrible person
he is, and people are like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah, but right, but exactly yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
The tickets were forty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Yeah, I mean that is the appropriate prize to pay
from a man that poops on women's heads, Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yes, which, which, by the way, I mean, can we
stop pretending at this point anymore? Like people have this
like high falutint fucking sense of dignity himself to the
point where they're like, oh, that's the worst. I can't
believe no one gives a flying fuck anymore. I've done

(01:22:46):
to this point where it's like, if they were to say, listen, R.
Kelly is gonna ghost write music for people, like all right,
just don't tell anybody he's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Just guess which songs he writes, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
They'd be like. They'd be like, he's a monster, He's
the worst person. I'd be like, aren't we finding out
the guy that made all the computers as molesting kids.
Didn't we just find that out two seconds ago? Again,
like I can he can write another. I believe I
can fly fine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Taylor Swift's new album is okay, But I just don't
get into the part where she's talking about pan on people.
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
So I was listening to the new Taylor Swift album
and I gotta tell you it's kind of gross. Maybe, dude,
maybe R Kelly wrote that song on the Taylor Swift
album where she was talking about Travis Kelsey's R Kelly
sends it to her. He's like, believe me, it's gonna work.

(01:23:55):
Trust me, they're gonna like it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
And they did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
But I mean that pretty much covers it. I mean
I think we covered all the matches overall. Did the
event live up to your hype, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
I'd have to say it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
It was no.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
No, it wasn't that this was an infomercial. It was
sham Wow. Yeah, it was sham Wow featuring John Cena.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Does John Cena come out on Monday Night Raw to
give a speech? I saw a couple of people saying
that that might be the case that John Cena shows
up at Raw obviously not in ring and tire, but
maybe shows up to say his peace and to his
ultimate warrior goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
I hope John Cena shaves his head by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Oh yeah, no, Actually, I hope he gets he wears
a wig, he gets some some extensions, extensions.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
What if he just went and got like, uh extensions,
he got fucking what's it called? Uh not not braids
like long fucking like he he got Archer's fucking extension.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, maybe he goes uh, maybe he gets emergency uh
the eye surgery so he can look a little more Mandarin.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
You know, he's going through a very Chinese time in
his life. Is that what you? No? But dude, honest
to God, like, why, I guess why not? Why not? Yes?
Give Sena needs dreads, That's what That's the word. I
was like, I'll try it. I am guys, get seen
of some dreads. Maybe you bumbaclat Sina.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Sure, Maybe get him a coolio maybe great? Huh not
just dreads a coolio?

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Yeah, no, he should dude, his hair. I'm like, he
looks like remember was it, slow Jack? Remember that? Like,
I'm like, what the who?

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Simple jack?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Simple jack?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Thank you? I guess slow Jack, simple Jack, Flapjack whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Yeah. Jack Evans saw the the Jack Lumberjack. Uh uh yeah, no,
I saw. I'm like, dude, that he looks ridiculous. The
hair is terrible, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
And that's why he wears a hat. At least he
wasn't a Hogan that shit. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Oh, maybe that's maybe that's what we missed out on.
Do Rag Sina error.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Oh man, the Hogan years, Sina Hogan Wolf, Well, that
was it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Everybody was talking about do Rag Vince. We didn't get
do Rag Sina. Yeah, he could have gotten away with
that for like a good Yeah. How about Shack would have.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Ended up looking like Taker though instead of do Rag Vince.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Well, Taker did say that they were the same milk brother.
Oh that was so douchey. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Some of the interviews on this thing were really I
think that was the worst part. Honestly. I I expected
more emotion from people that realized that Sina's leaving and
the houses are going to be a little lighter, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Well, that was like Punk was crying and Punk was
actually crying. Yeah, and Punk was crying in the interview,
and yeah, you were like that's weird and I was like,
I think it's because even when it's all said and done,
and people can hate Punk and dislike him because I mean,
he's been around twenty five years, it's gonna be shit
you don't like about him, but he still comes off

(01:27:23):
like more of a human. Oh yeah, yeah, and that's
kind of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Was that was over emotional, Like who the fuck am
I to say that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Like maybe he really is that close with the dude,
or maybe that guy really means maybe seen him means
that much to Punk. The only reason it surprised me
was because everybody else is cutting jokes and being stone
faced or reading from a script, and here's seeing Punk
having this emotional moment, which is fantastic. I'm not even
knocking the guy. It's just it was such an extreme
like they could have edited that better, maybe, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Just not to not to completely steer it away from
this being show about Sena. But I've already had many
lengthy conversations with you about Punk, and I've always said,
you know, he's a he's a CoA. He's an adult
child of an alcoholic. He's got that trauma that he carries.
I'm sure he remembers and there's many accounts of this,

(01:28:16):
everybody that's been good to him and everybody who hasn't, right,
and that led me to believe him. Sitting there saying
Sina was a good guy who always treated me well
and cared about me. I buy it. Yeah, yeah, I
don't think he's I don't think he's both shittn't. I
think all these other people going ha ha, bye bye,
John will miss you. It's like, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
You can't really be a bad person if you've what
taken care of more than like a ten thousand make
a wish kids, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, right, well that too. It's like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Sorry, you just can't. You can't. There's no way, Like
he has to be genuine in the ways that counts, right.
We saw professional corporate scenea a few times doing interviews
over the last year, and we've seen that side, and
we've heard him talk and he's he's very articulate with

(01:29:10):
his words and he knows especially during the Vince McMahon stuff, whoa,
he steered the fuck out of the way on that
one too. But it's like it's that's one persona or
one side of him. But how many people get to
see that other side of the guy. How many other
people get to see that genuine side of the guy
where it's like, holy shit, he really is a superhero

(01:29:32):
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
You know. Yeah, And there's also the point of where
you look at it and you go, they're roughly about
guys the same age, you know, there's a lot they
have a lot more in common than some of these
other people too, you know, and they're like, oh, even
here's Bailey and it's like he has like a girl
in her mid thirties, you know. And then there's like

(01:29:53):
a guy like Punk and a guy like Sena who
they're like two years apart, kind of the same generation.
You know, I see it happening, But I don't know,
man polarizing show. I'm sure we'll get a lot of
polarizing feed But.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Like I said, the international audiences, the live international audiences
that I was in with, were absolutely head over heels.
They seem to absolutely love this. They loved even the finish.
I think that this might be one of those American
centric or North American centric, or maybe just English language
centric people that might might feel differently about the way

(01:30:32):
that this retirement went off. But the international audience if
WWE is paying attention to their live YouTube viewers and
stuff like that. This went went off, This went off
without a hitch. Everybody had a great time so well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Sounds like CM punk is going to be retiring to
see is going to stand for Chechnia.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
There you go, but let's get ready to wrap it up.
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We will be back Tuesday to review the rest of

(01:31:36):
what happens with RAW and what the fallout is of
Saturday Night's main events and of course, probably discuss some
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