I SCREAM YOU SCREAM WE ALL SCREAM FOR BETTER CREATIVE (Wrestling Soup 12.4.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, have you noticed that there's a rapid decline of
ice cream places in mall courts? Have you picked up
on that?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I mean, I've picked up that we don't have mall
courts anymore. But yeah, sure, really you don't have the
food courts in the mall. You don't have malls, dude.
Our malls are shutting down left and right. We just
lost spring Hill like last year, which was a huge one,
like Gurdie Mills I think is one of the strongest.
Then maybe Woodfield Harleman Irving in Chicago is still good.

(00:38):
And I mean we go there, but it's like it's
not even like ice cream because they got things like Jesus,
what is that place called where they give you like
mango mad like jamba juice kind of places.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh okay, where.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's like you can get a smoothie. Would you like
a smoothie?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Ye? See, I got I just like ice cream being
every one. And I've just noticed for like the last
five years, every mall I've gone to, with the exception
of when we were in Vegas and I randomly saw
dairy Queen in a mall food court and I was like,
that's fucking that's out there. I don't see ice cream

(01:16):
anymore in malls.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We got a lot of dairy queens around Chicago. Yeah, yeah,
we got not.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
We got very very few DQ's around here.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, you guys, what was the ones that you guys had?
You guys had, uh cold Stone and TCB.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Y Yeah we haven't tcby. I don't see ye yeah,
Stone cold. I mean everybody goes at that by accident.
So the cold Stone Creamery I feel like, also ran
its course.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
What was with that? It was just it was just
cold on. I never went into one the wife you went.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It was like ice cream Hibachi. So what you do
is they had a big fucking cold Stone obviously, and
they would fucking you know, what ingredients do you in
your fucking ice cream? And they to be I want
this and that, and then they scoop the fucking ingredients
into it like abachi, they mush it in. Yeah. I

(02:11):
mean it's not the worst idea. It's just a gimmick
that you couldn't keep a whole business sustained by that.
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know what I miss? I miss the old school.
What are they called the dippin' dots?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh? I love dippin' dots.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I don't see dippin' dots anymore. They were the little
alien dots of ice cream that were supposedly healthier somehow,
but they really weren't.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now do you get generic dippin dots around you? We
get generic dippin' dots.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Doppin dits, Dude, I love the doppin' dits. Would you
like some doppin' dibts Bobs in Virgina?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Bob, I like that. It's like, would you like doppin dits?
You're like, no, thank you. They're like, well, we also
have bubbs in Virginia. Damn seven to eleven. Damn same thing, right,
guys the side you're riding a side hustle there, Yeah,
no dippin' dots forever where they would call it the
ice cream of the future. Yeah, and then and then
the future came and it wasn't ice cream.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah. There's a lot of Storm Bay places too, I'll
be fair about that. As far as food courts and
shit go, the ones that we have left, there's like
a lot of individual restaurants you don't see anywhere else.
But there's like a lot of Soorbet places like That's
that's still kind of a hot ticket item. Actually, what's
really taking over as far as the ice cream goes
and somebody, somebody will figure it out. But I forget

(03:34):
what it's called. But it's like the Asian ice creams
where it looks like a giant mango because it has
like a like a cakey or a candy shell on
the outside that looks like a mango or a peach.
And then when you get into it, it's like, oh,
it is the most delicious ice cream. It's so silky,
Like the Asians just do everything better. It seems like

(03:56):
I swear.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
We received I was going to say our version Mochi,
thank you, Edward, Oh, Mochi is good. I was gonna say,
our version of the Asian thing that's taken over is
bubble tea. We got a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, the bubble tea, the bubble tea. Bubble Tea. That's okay. Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Bubba Tea is fucking pretty good.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I like it. I could see how it like the people.
Then are you hey? It would text your problem. I'm like, oh,
you don't want to suck jello nuts into yours into
your mouth?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, you didn't live through the orbits fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, well you're fucking baby. Oh it's I don't like
the squishy little I'm like, all right, all right, leave
the boba for the adults. You know, they had probably tapioca.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I I just had it the other day. I went
to the International Market and they have a grape drink. Right,
it's like grape juice, but they skin the grapes and
throw the grapes in there, and because of the viscosity
of the actual drink, instead of the grapes sinking to
the bottom, they just hang out in the middle. And

(04:54):
I was like, and it came in a glass jar.
I'm like, I don't remember the last time you had
a glass jar for anything that you drink, you.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Know, was it a it was a to go beverage
that they put in the last jar. Well that's pretty
that's pretty trusting of your clients. O. Now nowadays it's
like people don't even want to put fucking booze in.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
One of the boosters. Yeah. I don't think I've ever
been to one of those alis one.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It looks good. It looks like have old school fucking
basking robins or a briars. Oh, okay, you remember those?
Does anybody remember Baskin Robbins before Dunkin Donuts raped its corpse?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yes, it did. That's not even an exaggeration. Duncket Donuts.
For some reason, it's still beyond me where they were like, yeah,
we're gonna take Basking Robins. I'm like, there's Massachusetts chains,
I know that right, Like they could have gotten some
other good ones.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
They could other donut chains. Why did they Why did
they throw a st Why was it the knockout game
on Basking Robins? Like they were just sitting there doing nothing,
minding their own business, going, we we have thirty one flavors, guys,
and Duncan Donuts just walks up and punches them right
in the fucking mouth.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
They're like, you dirty bitchah split our little shitty coffee
shop with you.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You have no say, okay, oh you have a Basking
rob Dude. I don't remember the last time I've seen
the standalone basket.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh, I don't even I can't even imagine. I can't
even wrap my head around I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's like the franchise guy that escaped. He's like the
guy that escaped Aschwitz.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know, I'm the last helicopter out of fucking yeah.
And that's when I snucked the recipe out of NAM
to make a fudgie the whale cake or whatever who
is it makes to fudge you the whale. That's is
that bad?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think been basking Robins buddy? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Am I fucking them up?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't remember. Oh, Carvel, yeah, car pus, yes, cookie push.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So South Station is like a real he kind of
ran down homeless adjacent if you will, train station in
Boston and they have a random Carvel ice cream and
that's the only place you can find it basically, I
think until like Connecticut or New York. And they're so fun,
they're so like fuck you that I've gone through them

(07:19):
before and I've been like I'm there right before. I'm like,
do you guys have chocolate? They're like, no, just vanilla.
And I'm like, just vanilla. You're running a coffee They're like, yeah, no,
we have vanilla and one shake with vanilla. I'm like,
this is a business. This is this is how you
operate your your place. Nothing else is yep, just vanilla.

(07:40):
Fuck you? Yeah? Wow. Well, and by the way, I
got just vanilla. That's the level of bitch I am.
And it was good. I was like I was just
and that's how fat, so fat intrinsically I am. That.
I was just like, I'm like, oh, well, you don't
have any other like no, just vanilla. And I was like,
all right, like we don't have cops in my eyes.

(08:04):
Put it in my just.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'll just open my mouth, just sling it in there
with a spoon.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Can you just I'll be right back. I'm just gonna
go get some like a toilet paper. I'll make a
cop out of it. If I hope for the best.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Whatever's LEFTOUF just used to wipe off my shame.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a homeless guy lick it
off my fingers. I said, like Alicia Silverstone in the night.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Hey, that's a good place to ask for money though,
because it's like you're either getting money or you're getting
ice cream. Sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
That is a that is a good point, Like is
it there? You just look at them, you go You're like, hey,
I got a couple of bucks? Like no, You're like,
can you get me?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Filthy throws up Hoggin's dos? I had hoggin Dos twice,
only on the East Coast. The first time I had
it was when I met up with John outside of
what was a buffalo or whatever mall that was that
we went to, and I had like a breakfast drink,
like a chocolatey coffee with ice cream in it.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's good. That coffee's good. It was.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It wasn't as good as you think it was. It
wasn't as good as he thought it was. And I
don't know if it was just the place, because once again,
this was a strip mall thing. And the second time
I had it was with Lee. And when I went
up with Julian to DC and stuff, we did the
comic Con does stuff with talking about wrestling, soup and shit.
And afterwards, me and Lee and his wife we all,

(09:28):
I think we stopped at a Hoggins does and it
was all right, but it was like forty bucks for
three ice creams and you're just.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Like a yeah, yeah, it kills your enjoyment, right.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm like, is this really a twenty dollars ice cream?
Come on, guys.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
You see That's why I like soft serve most of
the time. I mean, Ben and Jerry's fucking rocks and
Ben and Jerry's.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Actually, yeah, other than your wedding, I don't think I've
ever seen a Ben and Jerry's like station wild.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a fucking tragedy that they
don't have that.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Iago where would they put that at? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I wonder if you put if you put Ben and
Jerry's in a dangerous neighborhood, if the people that were
in the neighborhood would still protect the Ben and Jerry's,
Like they'd be like, this.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Is just people like yo yo off limits. Ben and
Jerry's is off limits. Many kill each other. But if
any of you fuck with the New York superfudge, that's
a problem. I mean, that would be great. I'd be
like fucking bringing Ben and Jerry's fix the city. Hey,
never mind that people are paying one hundred and eighty

(10:40):
percent on their mortgage right now and they're backtazes and
stuff and some of the poorest parts of Chicago. Hey,
we got Ben and Jerry's.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Johnson all right, that's honestly pretty much the perfect corporate mindset.
Though you know we've ruined your fucking life.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Doesn't love good tasting ice cream, We.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Couldn't have major life works for the last three months.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But a Sunday Bar, marble top lab creamers. What the
fuck is that? Filthy?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
That's a generic? Yeah, that's just like a marble slab.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
What is it? Like a fucking toe tag? Like what
I love?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know what, though, I will say I do love
when they try to make like generic storefronts where they
rip off the names, like there was like a place.
It's like, instead of urban outfitters, it was like modern urban.
Oh yeah, what does that even mean? Yeah, come to
modern urban. I'm like, do you mean like that's the
style of the people living in the city currently.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's how little creative we have in the entire fucking planet.
It isn't just WWE, It isn't just a w The
whole fucking planet has to rip. Did you see Red
Letter Media put up a uh a new a new
one called what Our Next? Right? They put up a
new video. Oh I watch? Yeah, it's really bad. It's

(12:04):
really really bad. It's talking about all the movies that
have been proposed or propositioned or that are coming out
in twenty twenty six. And there are some real stinkers
out there, like Twister, not based off of you know,
Twister the movie, or Twister the hurricane Twister based off
of the fucking game.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
That's really that's really bad. Yeah, well remember when they
made Battleship the movie. Yes, it was based off of
Battleship the game. I'm like, wow, that's really I'm like,
you could just make a movie about a battleship, but
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
They have a Hungry and Hungry Hippos movie coming out too,
They're they have an Uno movie. There's an Uno movie
that's coming out, Like they are just going down the
Parker Brothers playlist right now, because this is how much
Hollywood is out of ideas. Never mind necroing a shit
ton of other movies in series and frans es that

(13:01):
we all thought were gone and before anybody's like, oh
well it's a joke. Yeah, it's a joke the way
that they presented it. But they actually got articles from
different you know, cinema and different writers and directors and
stuff that are all bringing up and actors, even actors
are like I was approached to do the Twister movie.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Like, oh my god, yuck.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
They want to do a new home alone.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
You're not like an all camwork. Oh. One of the
hardest things for them to do now is like certain
movies just because of cell phones. Cell phones have really
killed a lot of the exact not just because people
are like, look, you're screweding on your phones, but like
when you make a horror movie that's like, oh no,
we're trapped, they have to constantly be like edor we

(13:46):
have no sell service. Yep, that's the only way to
make it functional.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I mean, we're lost underground. Use your cell phone. I
have no fake no, Like.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I just liked the idea that, Like they were successful
with the Cobra Kai movies. Those are a TV show.
I should say that was good, and it's like, all right,
we dusted off you know rav Macha.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh we're in a different direction though that was that
was the smart thing about it. They brought back.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
They're actually creative with it. That's the difference.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
They ignore Will Smith's kid, which was a good move
on their part. Yes, very good ches and yeah, and
then they stuck to the original content like that was fine.
That was perfectly fine. And you can't say that about
a lot of these neck road.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
But they had a good idea and then they were like, oh, well,
why don't we do that with like seventy other things,
and nobody wants to see fifty year old PTSD Corey
Feldman right, being like I'm a goody Like it's like, no,
you're a sad old man. Oh, I don't want to
see this.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Chocolate brings up Jackie Chan. Yeah, there's a new rush
Hour coming out, too, right, buddy, Jackie Chans in his
sixty Yeah, so is fucking what's his name too? Right,
Chris Tucker, Chris Tucker. He's got to be about fifty
five sixty, right.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Chris Tucker's like, yeah, he's like getting off the Epstein
fucking play. That was one of his things. That was
the last time I heard about him. Is they were like,
all right, here's all the people that are on the
on the Predator list on the They were like, Chris Tucker,
I'm like, what the what Chris Tucker.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Might have been with those Asian girls?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Man?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
You just don't know? Damnly, you know what that one?
That movie will only make sense, the new rush Hour
if they have kids, right, because the whole yea, the
whole backstory of rush Hour was they were both cops
because they're because their dads. So if they both have
kids and they become cops because of them, like and

(15:48):
they have to go in for one more mission to
save their kids or something like, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, they both have kids and they both both of
the kids are Blazian.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Oh my god, they're like so that way, so their
kids get married kind of dil No, no.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
No, both of the kids just so happened to be Blazian,
and then the whole time they're just like, but dad
Asian dad, and they could just play off that stereotype
the whole time.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't think that, because like Jackie was into the
Hispanic girl, right, I think I think you gotta throw
another another flavor into that ice cream, sir.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
You have Chris Tucker with like a Blazian son, and
then Jackie Chan with a what is an Asian Lasia
Lasia A no, no for a Latin Elasian. Yeah, that's
almost Laotian Elasian. And then he has a hot Lasian daughter,

(16:49):
and then they obviously have all sorts of tens and
then the message.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I just want a good story to be told. Man,
I don't need I don't need more fucking PSAs in
my movie.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
No, No, I'm just bo mish the whole point of
that movie was like, isn't this crazy. I'm a silly
Asian guy and it's funny American detective.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I thought it was more cultural than color. Like they
could have taken a fucking Latin dude from la if
they were as funny as Chris Tucker, like John Leguizamo
could have been in the First Rush Hour in the
role of Chris Tucker. And I think.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
People should People don't remember him, or they shipped on him,
but I thought he was pretty good fun.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
He's had some bad runs, He's had some bad movies.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Come on, every everybody had actor in the nineties. Yeah,
there there's even like Chris Farley hated Beverly Hills Ninja
and I'm like, yes, it was okay, but yeah, if
you if you were a comedic actor in the nineties,
you didn't do two shitty movies at least, then you
didn't do enough movie. That's kind of what it comes
down to, you know, Like it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Was almost funny. There was one movie that I didn't
like of his where he was playing a serious mafia ball.
Oh it's awful. It was He's better at the yuck yucks.
And I hate saying that because I mean it works
for some people when they step out of their box, right,
Like I loved Adam Sandler in Punch Drunk Love. I

(18:15):
loved him. And was it not Family Jewels? What was
the one called?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh God, I know if I always called it by
the wrong name, pressure, not Precious Jewel something like that.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Precious God jabs, thank you Chuck. Yeah, No, like that
was all right. Those movies were fine for him playing
a serious role. I actually I thought I thought.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
That Uncut Gems was gonna be a joke comedy about
a Jewish jeweler with an uncut penis. But I was wrong. Well,
I mean I thought that might have been in it. Yeah,
like the whole time he's like, why don't I have
my dick cut off? That was the whole movie. But
instead it was like a serious film.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, serious, like this this show wrestling soup. I'm Anthony Thomas,

(19:19):
he is Joseph E. Numbers.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, we got a lot of wrestling going on. Huh
that was.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, it's cold. It was eleven degrees last night.
It's supposedly going to get down again, real gross, Like
it's already a ten right now, So gay, I'm sure
you guys are starting to get the cold, and we
got we got hit with the snow three times in
a row.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
We were lucky we didn't get the snow. But all
I keep thinking of myself too, is like when people
say it, oh, well the weather's getting shitty like this,
and I'm thinking, well, what's the weather in DC going
to be like in a week and a half then
bed and off the chain because John seen is going
to be there lighting it up, Joe whooh yeah, Well,
I mean it's still very much a possibility. Like, I

(20:05):
still think that was kind of a weird choice obviously,
other than it just being DC and for money and shit,
and but like putting it in December, you really went
risking the weather being dog shit. You know, I agree
with it's always a possibility.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's why it's like, I just don't think it's over right.
And I know that John Cena did some kind of
interview where he was addressing all the skepticism about him
actually retiring at Saturday Night's main events, But I almost
feel like something is going to happen there where it's
gonna force him to one more PLI it just doesn't

(20:41):
make sense that they wouldn't use him and finally retire
everything at a WrestleMania. It just I don't know. I
don't It doesn't make sense like somebody's gonna come out
and go, well, John, technically you have two more dates
on your contract. Rah.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, how are they not gonna have John seen
at the last WrestleMania before WWE gets sold to the Saudist?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Wow? How in America? It could be the last American
WrestleMania for half a decade for all we know at
this point, I.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Just don't get it. I don't get it because, look,
I get it's kind of a neat thing to do
it at the White House or whatever. That's fine. I mean,
it's not like there's anything else going on there. But yeah,
we got no other problems. But I mean, at the
same time, you're right, the date is weird. It's not
even a good time to go to a show because

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everybody's fucking broke from buying presents for their kids and shit,
it's a bad I mean, I guess unless your president
is going to that show. But fuck man, people are broke. Broker,
they broke.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I like the idea of them even trying to sell
that like it just shows you once again, like sometimes
just rich people marketing in big companies, they really think
they've got some sort of win, but it's really so
much more so for them than it is for the
people that are actually supposed to be find just that.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
But I mean, if you're marketing at that point and
this is his last one, why wouldn't you do it
somewhere like Florida where he could be outside, where everybody
could be outside. It was what was it eighty degrees
in Florida yesterday? Like fuck you asshole?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well how do you not have it as like a
legit stadium show?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Right? Why not? You know what? You know what the
real stand would be? Why not do it in Jacksonville?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh? Mission something? I'm sure people, I mean, this is
an older wrestling fan thing. It would probably be kind
of regional. Has anybody and maybe you have to seen
the picture of Killer Kowalski and Bruno at Fenway. Have
you ever seen that before?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Maybe maybe it's not sure, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, somebody could probably find in like three seconds,
it's like I think it's Bruno getting fucking brained with
a chair by San Martino. But but like that's like
a classic wrestling picture, and I was thinking, I'm like,
how the fuck they could even have done that at Fenway?
If seen or retire, I still think under.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
The and too cold. Why would you even want to
do it in a place like that? Well, not right now,
but you know in this something if they're doing it
right now, that's what I'm saying, Why don't you go
to fucking Arizona? Why why didn't you go to Vegas?
If Vegas is going to be your helicopter wife, you know, like,
why not.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Do it there?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Like it's just Washington, d C. Right now? Makes no
sense unless Trump is gonna, you know, fucking launch some
nukes afterwards or something. I don't know, could you can
you imagine? Which, by the way, thank you to Edward
to put that in chat room. Look at that picture.
Isn't that fucking cool? That's classic?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, that's a class Yeah, nineteen sixty nine Fenway. Yeah,
they're saying, is this the first chair shot ever in wrestling? Which,
by the way, I mean, that's kind of great if
you think about it, because that's the first chair shot
and then it continues all the way on for decades
and decades, and you know that probably sold a good.
I don't know, fifteen thousand tickets at least, and now

(24:10):
guys just blest each other in the head with shit
all the times for nothing, So obviously the business has evolved.
But no, like, yeah, it's really fucking weird to me
that they didn't have this at like I said, even
a Fenway or if you want to go that route,
or I still like, I swear Gillette. If they'd have
done that at Gillette Stadium where the fucking Patriots play,

(24:34):
we had Robert Kraft would have fell over himself to
make that happen. He would have been, like, that sounds
fucking fan, Let's do that tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's political. I mean, you're you're bringing up good points, right,
and I think I brought up a good counterpoint of
doing it somewhere warm and there would be a lot
of people. But do you think ultimately, as much as
we joke about it being into DC, do you think
do you think that there's some political connotations there? Trump
obviously likes the wrestling. Wrestling has put quite a few

(25:03):
shekels in his pocket over the years.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's it's just funny to be just the overall image
of thinking that that's that's a fucking draw. Some people
think that's a draw, like, well, guess what you're gonna
go see John Steena's last match. Maybe the president right now,
who currently has a thirty six percent approval rating. Sorry
for all your buttholes that that hurts. He's gonna be

(25:28):
up there and give a thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, Logan Paul. Logan Paul was talking about that earlier too,
that he's excited to see Trump there. So, I mean
even the idea that Trump, well, I mean, obviously he's
he could.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Say he's gonna sell him a shit coin just and
Trump can sell him on bad.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Hey he got away with it, though, didn't he? Yeah,
he pretty he pretty much got away from from what
I was reading. Obviously, they're saying that crypto's gonna double
down or whatever, but I don't know, we'll see it.
Looks like whatever's gonna happen to Logan Paul and this
cryptoso shit is is nearing the head or nearing the ed.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's crazy to imagine that someone with a lot of
money bought themselves out of trouble, now, right, what right?
That's nuts to imagine. And a crypto thing too. It's
almost like these gumbags have infiltrated. Okay, never mind, Yeah, No,
it's probably like you said, miss, it probably is related
to some political thing the company thinks that they're going
to be like, look, the President showed up to see

(26:24):
John Cena retire, and it's like, at the same exact time,
is it really that surprising or special when you have
him show up at all of the fucking UFC deals, right,
you know, right, like that's that's not that crazy impressive.
And I mean, I don't give a shit what your
opinion was on anybody that was even before Trump. But

(26:45):
like if twenty five or thirty years ago, even like
it was like even Bush Junior, it was like Bush
Junior showed up to see the retirement of the Rock
or something, people would be like, wow, that's pretty fucking crazy.
Now it's like, dude, Trump goes on shit podcasts were supposed.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
To be like make fun of the Undertaker, like that.
He had Bailey on this week.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Come on, Joe, he he's going on podcasts with Andrew
Schultz and ash I'm sorry w W legend Andrew Schultz.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And did you watch that? I look, I I've I've
been a big batter for the Stephanie McMahon podcast, Right,
and I admit that there's some snoozers out there. This week,
she had on Andrew Schultz and I just I can't
bring myself to hit play Joe. I can't. I can't
fucking do it. I just can't do it. I I

(27:39):
I don't know. There's just something really wrong about this one.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
He's a very Not only is he a grading person,
he is truly the definition of just like a shape shifter,
but obviously not like a conspiratorial lizard person sort of way.
But just like he's that exact guy that they'll put
like if you see him on some show, he's just like, yo,

(28:03):
what's up? G And he's like doing the j USO
code switching shit right, And You're like, no, you're just
like a middle upper class white guy from New York.
Shut the fuck up, dude, Like you're not. No one's
believing this little performance you're putting on here.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Why are they all disas though, like they're they're putting
him on WWE, like supposedly they're they're talking about having
him back for a match.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
No, because UFC is the people that are God, this is.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Just gonna be a match with Andrew digest that for
a second. Seriously, Yeah, they want Andrew Schultz to step
into the ring.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's kind of just desperate. I mean, I'm sorry, like
to some extent, and I'm sure people could be like BiH,
bluh you do podcast. No, it's not even that. It's
just the fact of the matter that it's like, this
is what we're really considering important star like Bad Bunny
being a WWE television It's like he just.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's a big deal. Yeah, took Taylor Swift's crown, so like.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, he's like he beat Taylor Swift in streaming fucking
numbers for the year, which, by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Four years in a row. That's what it was. So
she had it for four years in a row or
three years in a row, and now he's taken it
for four years in a row, so.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Which, by the way, Like once again, now it's like, well,
why is he playing the super Bowl? Well that's why
he's fucking famous as shit. So if he shows up
at WWE, you go, Okay, that's a big, big fucking
star by today's standards. Sure, but Andrew Schultz is like
a auxiliary fucking rogan guy, and we're going oh shit,

(29:40):
what if he shows up. I'm like, is that gonna
maybe I'm wrong? Is that gonna sell tickets? The people
excited about that? I don't I don't know. It just
doesn't makes sense.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I sometimes think that they're playing for a crowd of one,
you know what I mean. Like WWE, We're used to that, because,
let's be honest, the Vince run years, many of those
years were just to tickle Vince's fancy. There were a
lot of stupid things that happened in that ring that
everybody was left scratching their heads. But Vince was having

(30:11):
a great time. But it's like, we're done with Vince.
Vince has moved on. WWE has moved on. There's new
masters to worship, and apparently they all want the same thing,
just to amuse themselves. Never mind the millions upon millions
of people that tune in to watch their shows over
the weeks, or by their merchandise or pls, etc. Or

(30:34):
even go to the events. Their enjoyment doesn't matter. Ultimately,
their enjoyment, our enjoyment does not matter, as long as
the powers that be are having a good time.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right and convincing themselves that whatever they're putting on is
appealing to whomever.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I don't think here, dude, I used to be such
a big proponent of Nick Kahn. I really felt, and
we're just talking about a few short years ago. I'm like, Wow,
this Nick kN guy really seems like he's got his
shit together. He talks about listening to the fans, he
talks about knowing the money, and everything that he's put
out that he's been involved with seemed to be fucking

(31:13):
home runs. And I was really really like wow. At first,
I was worried because obviously when everything changed over, You're like, well,
is Nick con gonna be the guy? But he turned
out solid, and in the beginning it was like, Wow,
this guy maybe actually really fucking cares about what they
put on TV for w W and you felt that,
you felt that for a little while. And now I'm

(31:34):
watching him and he's just giving lip service about how
great the fans are, about how great it is to
go to Saudi Arabia. It's like when did Gen.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It always just goes back to like, woke with them,
we made the money, And I'm like, that's fans don't
fucking care about that.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, you're doing a sense right, Like Oh, here's the reality.
Fans should care about it a little bit because it
dictates what is considered for the next angle or storyline, right, Like,
look at the Juso experiment, and I'm seeing people like
James or Merrow. I'm seeing people like K one hundred,
Like people are all throwing in their two cents about

(32:14):
jay usso, especially after Survivor series and shit like that.
And I don't blame them. Everybody, I think is getting
to the point where they're sick of j Uso. But
the problem is, Joe, the money kept rolling in, people
kept buying the merge, people kept doing the yeat, people
kept doing the uh like. It's just it didn't stop.
And when the audiences continue to keep doing that, what

(32:37):
is WW supposed to do? Listen to the millions of
people out crying on social media their dislike of j Uso,
or pay attention to the twenty thousand or so people
that show up once a week to do the.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Bill, right Yeah, which I which once again like you're
never gonna see me. Be Like, I don't understand why
they would listen to the people that's pay you know,
he's six hundred dollars instead of just streaming on YouTube.
Obviously that makes sense, but there is also some sort
of you know, positioning on the cards, like you're not, dude,
you can control what happens on the show. It's not.

(33:16):
It's not like even with USC and you know, they go, well, well,
this person got super popular, and then they could by
someone who's dull as shit nobody cares about him, and
you go, oh, well, that's well, that that derails a
bunch of our plans, Like you can still put this
dude in the middle of the card and have him
do the entrance and people are like, all right, cool, right,

(33:38):
that's cool. I'm good with that, but you're gonna call
it he's the main event. I'm like, which, first of all,
don't don't name it. I know I was saying that
the other week. Yeah, don't name it. You fuck you
fuck the performer over and you screw with the audience
by basically telling them what they're supposed to feel, how

(34:02):
they're supposed to see it. And by the way, it's like, yes,
sometimes that works, but it's like you got to be a.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Heel then feels like a break glass in case of
an emergency kind of move right, like you don't do
that week to week. You do that when you have
plans and something needs to be done, not the please
buy some more merch. Let's keep Jay. Who's so relevant? Guys?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know which by the way too, Like okay, a
quarter of a century ago, Rob van Dam used to
call himself the whole fucking show, and he was, and
he was, but he was also a heel. Oh yeah,
of course the heel does that. The bad Sure, you
know what, you want to call yourself the heartbreak kid.

(34:49):
You better call yourself the heartbreak kid when you're an asshole.
And then when you become a good guy and they're
still calling you the heartbreak kid, it's like, well, yeah,
well now we taw break kid because he said he's
just a sexy boy. That works, right, But you don't
take somebody who's supposed to be a babyface and likable
of the crowd and be like, all right, we got
the surname for him, the fucking coolest, Like no, why

(35:13):
would you do that? And once again, this is one
of those things where people could look at it and
say that's very very small little bubbah Bah'm like no,
but that's products. This is you're marketing. You're coming up
with somebody to sell. Clearly that's your only fucking concern.
You're not really that into the creative aspect of it.
But on both ends of it, the creative and the

(35:33):
marketing part of it, it's shit. It's not good.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But that's what I'm saying, is like, this is again
another example of the company just playing for themselves, and
it's weird. And I know Drew Yari, He's like, well,
what in the fuck is Nick con supposed to say?
And I get that, right, I get the position of
power that he's in, and I get that there's a
lot of people, podcasters, influencers, whatever, other wrestlers that are

(36:01):
very interested in everything that he has to say. But
then you know what you do in situations like that,
and you don't want to disparage the company. Don't say
a fucking thing, Change the topic, go somewhere else. If
Jay Uso isn't the guy, how about you not lie
to our faces and tell us that he is, and

(36:21):
just say we know what, we have plans for a
lot of our other WWE superstars in the future too. Boom,
there you go, complete segue. It answers the question without
answering the question. And you realize that Nick khn and
the WWE powers that be are like, hey, we understand
that jay Uso isn't the only kid in school period.
You know, like, there's just simple there's just simple ways.

(36:42):
And you can't tell me that Nick fucking Khan isn't
media trained. I have never seen a cooler fucking cat
do an interview for as as a CEO, as one
of the heads the rotating heads of a faceless corporation. Like,
this guy is calm, You're not going to phase him.

(37:03):
He's got that low baritone kind of voice, that smooth
butter fucking TC but b why fucking ice cream voice?
And it's like, I'm just I don't know why you
would say those things about praising all these bad situations
that fans are seeing all over the place and trying
to like, oh, these are not the WWE champions you

(37:25):
are looking for, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like it's just well, there's also some point to it too,
and I feel like, you know, the start of all
of these problems and obviously the culmination in my opinion
of what's gonna be it's it's Sasaudi shit, right, that's
totally start with the obvious.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Like the song is almost old at this point, and
I know, yeah, I know you're gonna get into it,
right and I'm not trying to pull you away from that.
But the only reason I say it's old is because
they did this when Kashaki's body was still fresh, you
know what I mean. We lost another journalist, the same
fucking people underneath mysterious circumstances blah blah blah. And it

(38:08):
was still even back then, even when they first did
the Crown Jewel shows, it was under the illusion that
WWE was trying to bring American media, American entertainment to
a country that had not been westernized yet, and that
was the belief, was that we were going to go

(38:28):
in there and fix those savages with pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And it just a refined art.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yes, yes, may many years of refining professional wrestling for
highbrow entertainment fans, and it didn't work. It didn't work.
It ended up being a cash grab. And I think
at this point, after all these years, who doesn't see
what this is. Who's thinking that, No, WWE really does
care about the Saudi people. They care about advancing their

(38:57):
culture and bringing the American style of the West, so
that no, it's about money. It's about money, that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
And it becomes to when you sell God, I know,
the term sellout is just so antiquated at this point.
People just hear it. No, I don't even get.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
What's old as new again, Joe, what's old?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Right? Well, I get it. It's like everybody at this point.
They're like, dude, I'm just trying to survive, Like why
are we even you know, But it's it's also a
matter of now going forward. It shades all of their
decisions in such an obvious way where you know, we
even have a well why are they doing it in
uh DC? Money? Money just money, there's no other reason

(39:42):
for it. And it's like, well what if they had
any No, no, it's just about money. And I know
obviously someone will say, well, well dude, you know you're
mister you're always about hey, well business, they got to
make the money, they got to do this, this, that
and the other thing. But we eventually have to hit
a wall. You're doing something creatively. And this is when
we were talking earlier about movies where they just run

(40:05):
out of fucking ideas and they have no ips that
are even worth having, and they're like, oh, well, remember
the game Mister Bucket in the nineties, boss popped out
of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Mister Bucket.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's a very listen, mister Bucket, the boss
pop out of his mouth. All right, we get the right,
We get the rights to Pink Pony Club by Chapel Rowan.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know a girl that does it the other way.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
But you know, hey, it's mister Bucket goes on a
spiritual journey to accept the sexuality, all right, like this
is and and all the other.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
They're making an airplane too. They're making an airplane too.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Look, I get it as a kick anyway from my
mister Bucket store by script, I'm writing a screen there, right,
So it's almost like the Brave Little Toaster, right, but
it's like the gay Bucket instead the gay little Bucket.
And he's in he's in a home depot. And believe
it or not, the tools they're like not really with it.

(41:07):
They're kind of a little bit like meat headish, you know, Like, hey,
that fucking bucket over there, we fucking heard about him, right,
and he's like, I'm gonna go to the fucking I'm
gonna go to the West Coast. I'm gonna be accepted
as a bucket, right, and then, like I said, it's
like the Brave Little Toaster. He has to hitch rides

(41:27):
with strangers and shit, and he goes on like a
long spiritual journey. And I think that's a good idea. Wait,
so what was the movie Your Airplane Too?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah? You never saw it? You never saw Airplane?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, of course. But I'm thinking, I'm like, could I
do a crossover with mister Buckets movie somehow?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Hey, you can make it like one of those Saturday matinees.
You know it's a oh two fur. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
You watch the Mister Bucket movie and they're like, well,
now here's the airplane.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I mean, look they redid Naked Gone with Leslie not
Leslie Nielsen. Hey the guy from Hostage or taking Liam Neeson?
Thank you, yes, thank you. But I don't know who
they're gonna get for airplane, Like, I don't know, man, airplane.
I shouldn't even say airplane too. Technically it'd be like
Airplane three, wouldn't it Because Airplane two was in a

(42:18):
space shuttle if I recall, and they pretty much did
the exact same jokes as Airplane one.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I think they should make Armageddon two, except it turns
out that, oh, never mind, you can't have him in
the movie, I guess anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Huh, well, I mean you could you ai.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
They could just take one of his daughters and just
do AI over there. You just bring back Tyler, right,
and then you have it and you're just like the
ass what happened when the asteroid blew up? He jumped
away from the asteroid?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yes, all right, and then he's loading in space for
twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yes, yeah, maybe that's you know what, maybe that's the
future of podcasting mish Like, we can do the wrestling, obviously,
but why don't we just come up with old movies
that no one should give a shit about anymore? And
then we just like everybody that dies in it, we
come up with ways that they lived.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You know who loved that fucking movie Tank Tank Love
loved it, loved it, she loved it. She loved a
lot of Bruce Willis movies, but she loved that one specifically.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
And I was just like, well, I guarantee you that
she loves that horrible Arrowsmith song.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Then of course, of course Harrowsmith rocks.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
But by the way, like people always say, you know,
at least from this area. I don't think anybody's that
invested in Aerosmith that's under the age of sixty. But
they're like, oh yeah. When they did like the songs
in the early nineties, that's when they were a sellout.
You know, when they did the album with the pierced
cow nipple and shit, it's like, no, no, no, no no.

(44:07):
The true moment where they jumped the shark was that
fucking armagedde Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I agree, that's SI. I was even willing to stay
on board when they came out with that shooter game.
Do you remember that Aerosmith had a game where they
gave you guns and they played Aerosmith music while you
shot things at the screen.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Think it was called Revolution Act. It was just such
a surely nineties Yeah. Revolution It is also X?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Is it extreme?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I don't even know DDE Is it gen X?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Whew? But Fury that came out for Sega Genesis.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
You bet your ass it did.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I didn't even know Sega. See this is how much
I don't know about the old school consoles. I didn't
even know Sega had a gun system. I thought that
was just a Nintendo thing.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I think it wasn't a gun I think they just
just oh.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
They just gave you the controller. Oh shit, that's awful, awful.
That's like playing the Punisher game. Do you remember the
Punisher game with the gun and then they came out
with the home console version. I think it was for
Super Nintendo and you had to use the controller to
shoot on the screen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
No, he can't be doing it. No, no, but then again,
you know when I say that, But also, like GoldenEye,
people fucking love.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That a third person though, right, like you were over
the shoulder. I thought you were over the shoulder. Okay,
I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I'm pretty sure it was first. Yeah, GoldenEye was fucking
massively popular. But yeah there's I mean, god, I don't
know how the hell we got here.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
But no, there's Smith because of fucking Bruce Willis fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Oh yeah, what a what a terrible fucking guy. By
the way, that's like, that is such a sad, goddamn story.
And it's also more sad when you take into account
where you're like, I don't think he was like a
drug addict or a fucking you know, well, you hear
stories there is people like I mean, like Steven Tyler

(46:01):
was like he was fucking junkie and funny, funny Steven Tyler.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I thought it's normal to look like that.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, that's a normal.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Him and Keith Richards. You know they're just sharing bloodsticks.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, yeah, No, you're supposed to look like a fucking
a witch, like an anorexic witch, like a strung out XPOC.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah that's great.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, No, Like, dude, there's I don't know, man, it's
there is a severe lack of fucking creativity across the board.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Dude. It's so bad because it's like that's their only job, right,
Like everything else in WWE should be second, even the
professional wrestling should be second. What's first is creative, being creative,
having creative wrestlers, creative storylines, because this is what draws

(46:53):
your audience in. This isn't like as Strong Style, this
isn't MMA, this isn't lucha, right, it's not about the
pro wrestling in the States. First, It's about the storylines.
It's about the grand entrances, which they got that down, pat.
I mean, Jesus, WWE cornered the longest entrance for a
wrestler crowd. But as far as you know, as far

(47:18):
as what I think is the meat of WW. It
should be creative. They should constantly be out creative, out creativing,
out creativing themselves, like at all points. It's so weird
that the most difficult thing for WW to do in
twenty twenty five twenty twenty six is even come up

(47:39):
with coherent storylines for megastars that are on the horizon.
Guys like fucking Gunther should be a household name at
this point, Like I jusso, I understand the machine got
behind the guy and it made him, but clearly that's
not it. Seth rollins. The machine got behind the guy
and made it, but he's not it. But then they

(48:03):
pass over other guys. Dude, I'm still waiting for Russev
to finally wake up and become what he's what he's
capable of. I still be sad that.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I already slightly forgot he was back.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
No, that's horrible, because he's he's a big fucking deal.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
And but this is what also happens when you have
a three hour long show on RAW and they're tightening
a spotlight on people that you're going, yeah, that's not
urgent right now, that's not an urgent person that you
need to work on getting over and focusing on and
it's a fucking problem. And I dude, I know I

(48:42):
saw a handful of people that get not necessarily mad
about it. But when I talk about State Cop where
they're like, I can't believe Joe doesn't see where this
is going, and I'm like, yeah, I see where it's going.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It's just like not now, well, it's not even creative
it because we all see what's happening. He's basically gonna
be Mini Batista. That's who he's gonna turn out to be.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Right if which, by the way, if you're lucky, he's Bautista,
right because at least they heated up Batista and cooled
him down at points. Unfortunately, it'll be more like fucking
probably Roman with a buzz cut, which who the fuck
is who's looking for?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I think that's the biggest problem with Roman too, is
that WWE looks at him as a success story and
completely ignores the many, many many years that they tried
to fucking force him down our throats and people hated
them for it. Seriously, It's almost as if the bloodline
washed away all the bad history that Roman Reigns had.

(49:44):
It's like, yes, yeah, and it's that's not true, guys.
People didn't forget that. And without the Bloodline storyline, which
again I would never take away the superiority of how
creative and wonderful that Bloodlines storyline was at its peak
right when you had players like sammy's Ay and Kevin

(50:05):
Owens involved, Cody involved, maybe the Rock not so much.
You could have probably not had the Rock there, and
that's fine, right, And I don't know what the Undertiker
WrestleMania moment was there for, but whatever, they did that.
But like for the most part, the Bloodline storyline was fun.
It developed well, there was a lot of creativity behind it.

(50:27):
There was a lot of good acting, which is something
weird to say about WWE, and the matches were superb.
They had the right amount of twists, they had the
right amount of violence. Like it was great, But that
doesn't mean Roman got better. Roman was a cog in
the machine that was clearly doing fantastic for a short time.

(50:48):
But now that machine is done, and what they feel,
or what it feels like to me that we're we're
getting ready for, is to watch that machine repackage itself.
They want the Bloodline back to where it was and
you got solo doing something else with a bunch of
nWo light looking dudes. You got fucking Jimmy and Jay

(51:10):
usso as shadows of their former self even before they
even went on singles runs. But they're a shadow of themselves.
That's a tag team. It's wild and Roman.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
This is also mish. When you put people on television
for ten plus years at a time, it's like, yeah,
this is what you get. Yeah, if people get tired
of these characters and players and like, they don't go away,
and if they go away, it's not for long enough.
And you know then they spend four years focused on

(51:41):
them in a storyline like Bob he's a la booboo.
The la boo boo shit was all over the place
by my kid. My kid wanted one, right like my
fucking brother's kids wanted one. And now they don't. They're
done with it, like that that time has gone gone off. Actually,
it's kind of funny because I was op and for
Christmas gifts for for the kiddos, for the for the nephew,

(52:03):
and he's really into k pop Demon Hunters, boy oh boy.
He loves his little Korean girls. The kid's like eight
years old and all he wants is little Korean girls.
And I'm like, okay, all right, man, you shouldn't intro
whatever you do, do not introduce him to Kenny Omega.

(52:25):
Do not do that. They will get they might relate
too well. But yeah, so the hot ship for the
most yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It's over. It's over. You know you're not gonna get
it back, dude. Nobody nobody's coming back to collect ferbies
in twenty twenty six, nobody's nobody's looking for a beanie
baby in twenty twenty six. It's just it's dead. And
that's what this bloodline thing is. It really feels like, hey, guys,
you want to see a little boo boo again? No done?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Which, by the way, like and I think people don't
even consider this when they talk about Roman reigns and
how that worked out, right, they got very, very fortunate.
But what they need to remember is, Okay, we ever
watch a movie where there's a character in it, and
you know, it's a million romance movies Titanic or whatever,

(53:23):
rom com you know where the guy what's his name,
Gustone from like Beauty that it's like, dude, it's like, dude, yeah,
you got to ask a girl out thirty times before
she says yes even do you think like even then
by like thirty you're like yeah, fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah yeah she loves me for me, she in to me.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Dude, that's great, Like you asked her on thirty times.
It's like, okay, is that is that that she's into
you or she's okay, fine, whatever, it leaves leave me alone, gastone,
Like it's just and that's sort of like what the
Roman thing was. It was just like, yeah, we go me, no,

(54:07):
we go me, no, we goe me, no, we go me. Nope,
all right, I'm gonna just keep trying. And then eventually
it worked, and then it worked for a little bit
and then ww's like, shit, I can't believe that didn't work.
It's like because they well.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
They relayed themselves too right, not to dust off a
classic there, you played yourself. Wwe played themselves when they
started getting the rock involved. I think I think truly
the bloodline died when they introduced the final boss. Shit
it it jumped the rail, jumped the shark. It was

(54:45):
not good, and it never recovered. I don't think it
ever recovered. And that's weird. It's weird for me to
say that about the fucking Rock, right, Literally, that one
of the highlights, if not the highlight of the Attitude era,
arguably one of the best times in wrestling was a
complete detriment, a complete failure to launch with his own family,

(55:09):
and one of the biggest storylines that ww had going
for what two years? Oh awful man.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
But there was a point where yeah, okay, there was
a point where asking the Rock to be involved in that.
At some point it was somebody's being nice to you.
They're giving you charity in some respects, you know, and
that's not.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Saying like, is that taking from Hawaiians? No?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, what's that? Was that buying burnt out land and
then taking it away from indigenous people?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Dwayne? What's that? Dwayne? How could you be a colonizer
of your own colony?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, he's yeah. I remember saying, I know, this is
a total segue. I remember seeing when all that was
going down, they compared him to African slave owners, and
I was just like, ah, Jesus, that's dark. Well it's dark.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I mean, I know if I smell what the Rock's cooking,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
And Oprah Winfrid too, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, right, The Rock says, I own this land. Now
he's a fucking piece of garbage.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
The Rock says one hundred thousand per square foot.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Jesus, Yeah, the Rock says this was promised to me. Okay, no, dude,
there's wolfs set out loud.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
No, there's a fucking huge problem obviously with that, because
I'm not saying that the bloodline and the success if
it was a charity case. But there was this point
where there's a tipping point right where you go, Okay,
we're into this person, we like what you're doing here,
You're finally going in this direction. And then they're like,

(56:50):
we're going to just add a character in there, and
it's going to be really disingenuous and it's the corporate
pick and wet and you all know it. You're not stupid.
And then the Rock's not gonna show up and make
it any better. He's just gonna show up and just
jay off all over it. You know. Look, oh special
I am, and I brought my own bullshit belt that

(57:11):
I got from Mohammad Ali's dead, Like fuck, what the
fuck is this fuck off? Like? But on the Rock
isn't that great? And it's like well, the mean in
the meantime, right, the guy's career is dying a thousand deaths,
you know, which, I'm sure that we're gonna get comments
on that, because every time I mentioned that the Rocks

(57:31):
career is dead, people go, that's crazy talk. What are
you out of your fucking mind? Oh do you remember
our conversation? We said, now, you know, do you remember
our conversation? We were trying to explain why John Cena
was technically more popular than The Rock and they just
couldn't have had Rock has made more money in movies,
yet John Cena does a million fucking Toyota.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Ads, dude or Honda ads, like what do you want?
Like people, And by.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
The way, it's like, yeah, he was more popular to
people who are like that's you got to remember that, Like,
it's just people. People hit a certain age and it's
like we're all guilty of it to some extent. You
just have to attempt to be present of it. But
like who you think is famous, there's people that were
born after you, and their thoughts and opinions and feelings

(58:17):
and money also matter. So when you're like, oh, fucking
obviously the Rock, you're like, no, people like young people
that are in their teens and twenties, and shit like
they care about John Cena. They care about John Cena.
Thirty year olds care about JOHNSENA forty year olds care
about JOHNSENA fifty year olds care about John Cena. The Rock.

(58:39):
It's like there's a tipping point. I don't know if
a twenty five year old is like gung ho about
the fucking Rock and what is there not even a
ten year difference between age of the Rock and John Cena? Roughly?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
But that ten years is a world of difference when
we're talking about whole generally celebrities. Yeah, I mean this
is this is similar to you know, okay, sure, Like
we mentioned Taylor Swift earlier, she's had some serious longevity,
you know, but in ten years she's gonna be Mom Rock, right,

(59:17):
you know, like there's gonna be the little girls going
off to kindergarten right now when they're teenagers. If their
moms are like, you want to listen to Taylor Swift,
they could be like, fuck it, well listen that old lady,
for I fucking right want to listen to that shit.
And they and by the way, they shouldn't. They shouldn't
want to listen to that shit. They should like whoever
their people are at that moment now. And that's what

(59:39):
The Rock was, where a bunch of people that were
like middle aged, still watching wrestling. Sure we fit the bill,
but whatever. You know, we're like, well, the Rock is
this fucking mega star and you're like, no, there's still
millions upon millions of people who don't give a fuck
about him. Their last memory of him was being in
another movie that bombed, some shitty Christmas film or whatever

(01:00:02):
the fuck he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Black But but wrestling fans have long memory, right, and
I agree with you. I think that the Rock, as
far as his public persona, his public fan goes. I
absolutely agree. It's for the forty year old to not
that makes perfect sense. But pro wrestling fans remember the Rock.
It's not like he's ancient. But at that point, the

(01:00:24):
I guess the problem comes in is how come the
Rock doesn't remember the Rock? How come the Rock forgot
who The Rock was? That's really what it is. When
he came in with the final Boss character and I
saw I forgot who was Maybe it was mare Reice,
maybe that somebody else was saying that The Rock was
the highlight of WrestleMania, and I'm like, ah, I don't know, man,
I'm maybe even the fans that were there, maybe there

(01:00:46):
was a spark there. But when we were watching this
at home, when we were watching this from the comfort
of our computer chairs, it was not really Ah, it
wasn't a great, big elevation move. There was nothing about
The Rock that screamed new and different. It it felt
tacked on. He felt shoehorned in, and at no point

(01:01:07):
would you expect a legend to feel shoehorned into his
own product, right, Like, that's WrestleMania is absolutely that. You
can easily say that it's the house that Rock builds
because it is the Rock sold out Rustlemania's. The Rock
was a reason why a lot of people went to
Rustlemania's among stone Cold, among Undertaker, among even wasn't but

(01:01:31):
well that's the thing, Like, he's one of those people
that should command that level of respect. So it's weird
to me that The Rock the same guy Dwayne Johnson, right,
all these years fucking wrestling in his blood, He's got
his family out there, can't seem to understand how to
get it going. Like his big moment was what getting
Travis Scott to punch fucking Cody in the face, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I just yeah, but by the way, and like I
will leave this out to the younger members of our audience,
Hans to this as well too. Is Travis Scott even
who he was two years ago? Is he even the
same level of fame? I mean, I know he had
the concert where they killed a bunch of fuck Yeah,
that didn't help his career too much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Famous famous Joey close enough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Right, Yeah, people love that. They love when children get
murdered at your concerts. But that's that's another part of
it too, Like the ship comes and goes quickly, you're
popular that it goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Do you think we get Andrew Schultz to kill somebody
so we can get past this real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
He's like, yo, homie, gee dog, I'm gonna shoot you
in the face with a gun. Ha ha ha ha ha
He's he God, he's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I have the actual fucking article here, I think I
got it from. Is this ringside or no d Q?
It's no d Q, no d Q. Okay, here we go.
So note Q says comedian Andrew Schultz is really relationship
with WWE centers on his frequent interviews in podcast appearances
with company talent. Wrestlers such as the Cody Rhodes and
the Seth Rollins have appeared in his Flagrant show, and

(01:03:12):
WW regularly include Schultz and media outreach. TC Russell votes
noted the following about Schultz's future with WWE. I've heard
from WWE sauces that comedian Andrew Schultz has made a
strong impression with many people within the company. Schultz, who
has several specials on Netflix, made two appearances on Raw

(01:03:33):
in twenty twenty five. Expect to see more of Andrew
Schultz featured in WWE programming Moving forward Cool which.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
You know what, thoughts, let's take this and turn this
frown upside down. Let's hook this negative and make it
into a positive. What if that's the avenue of finally
convincing TKO that we need some fucking managers in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I was taking I know, I'm not a ruction. I
was like, Oh, he's gonna rustle Naya Jacks. I'd grat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yo shawty, you don't squish me gee? Yeah? No, Like
maybe that's it. Maybe that's the way that you trick
Wwie and Tapic managers. Again, it is by being like
this guy with a really successful podcast where he does
crazy things like since Sis the Quiet Part out Loud

(01:04:31):
and then interviews politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
WWE has always had a heart on for celebrities, right,
like you go back to the Johnny Knoxville stuff, you
go back to even the I Show Speed and obviously
look at where Logan Paul's kind of come. But I
don't know if I want managers, if they're gonna end
up being Andrew Schultz.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Well, you know what, sometimes you get it. There's a
reason why there's you know, canaries in the coal mine, right,
get one one goes in and if then come out,
we go shit, Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
It dangerous in there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's not safe. Well no, there's there's definitely
people out there that could fill those spots and fill
those roles.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
There's actual managers on the Independence Joe that you could
do that with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Well, they're not going to hire any of those, Okay,
all right, Why would they do that when they could
just try to shoehorn somebody into the position because they
have some cloud on the Internet. That would make a
lot more sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Right, Can we bring back Armando da I miss, well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I think to this point and I said it, I
think two months ago or whatever. I'm like, whenever Eddie
Kingston decides to stop pretending to be a Japanese wrestler,
I'd offer him three hundred grand to be like I'm
in and be a manager. All I gotta do is talk.
You want to eat fucking spaghettios all day and get drunk,
that's fine, but come be a fucking manager because he's

(01:05:52):
so talented.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
What a dial? Spaghettios and booze? H yeah, Jesus yo, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Was your care to. I noticed that there was a
severe lack of spaghettios and Mad Dog twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Of course it's mad Dog.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Well that's a sponsor WWE, now, so that would be which,
by the way, for all the sponsorships that they have
where they're like, you know, they got the New Day
trying to eat a fucking foot long pause and you know,
mister Slim jim La Knight and all this other shit.
How are you gonna have bad Dog as a sponsor

(01:06:27):
and not ever anybody drinking the fucking Mad Dog? Why
can't they drink booze on a paper?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
All right? All right, well let's think about this. Let's
let's be honest about this. Who jaos actually drink Mad Dog?
But who would they let promote it and not look bad?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Oh well, I mean I just said honestly, I mean
Jay Movie, He's like, yeah, I'm selling fruit juice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
It's like, no, no, see, that would look bad. And
he's also got a history that not be a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I think that makes it even better. Well, I mean,
and we know it's not and then we know it's
not Kate fab Brothers fucking shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It's not Kate Fave. We're actually promoting Mad Dog because
we love the taste.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yo, I love sugar booze gee.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Street Profits all alonzo, No, no, sir, that would be
yeah that you are.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
You are fucking tap dancing on the sun at that point.
But that is a sure man, that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Why don't you go ask sentinel? Says our truth. Oh jesus,
you guys like dancing up high. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
But but you know what, though maybe maybe many many
moons ago, when Street Profits were coming out with the
fucking red Solo cops, which I still remember at the
time being like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Didn't no no, they steal that fir Private Boys and Misha,
they stole that from Private Party. I thought, right, I
don't know that's what aw fans told me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
So oh okay, well now I remember them coming out
with the red solo cops and I'm like, that's really
and people are like, no, no, no, it's like frat boy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, they're college kids, guys, they're college like you were thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Year old men. They got those kids in site? Is right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Is that it would it be better if.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Those kids did that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
You know what about just put the Mad Dog in
the brown paper bag so we don't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Oh, that'd be a great idea. Yeah, I bet I
bet if they did that on Saturday, I made events
that would go over well with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh my god, No, John Cena. And you know what
if Johnson has shilled Mad Dog on his very last show,
he just closes out the show with a bottle of
banana red.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
He just pulls the fucking they out of the paper.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Bag in the shrunks. Yeah, be great, and he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Just goes, let's get fucked up. Just yell is it
getting fucking hammered?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Gee?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
I'd love you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
That's awesome?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
John Cena gets drunk cheap fucking kid wine and then
like John cy Ina freestyl and he immediately drops an
end bombing career.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
How great would that be if Johnson just started shooting
at the end of his fucking at the end of
Saturday Night's made event.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Oh my god, it's like this ship fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
He just looks a ship is awful, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Nikki, you fucking bitch. Why do you still have a
job here? You suck?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Soh my god, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Dog Ziggler, why you fucking why did you even I
want to fuck this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Girl, Dominic, You're the only person with talent on this
fucking show. Good luck, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Just he just lifts off. You just see him and
he just goes, Now, let me list off to people
that are good. And he pulls out of like a
little tiny fucking piece of paper out of his pockets.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yes, yes, yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Goes Gunter dom All right, have a good night, good luck, folks,
have fun watching this show. Just a little tongue click.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
It's funny too because it was a Freddi Prince Junior
was talking about it about John Cena's retirement, and apparently
it's leaked out now that Disney and ESPN are are
at their wits end with WWE. Quote it's seen his
final pay per view on ESPN. Obviously, ESPN, by the way,
is so unhappy with the deal. I was talking to
a friend of mine who works for Disney, and he

(01:10:50):
was just like, Yo, they're so there better their money
back on this deal. Who the fuck are you talking
to in Disney? It sounds like that. I hope that's
a typo. Yo, They're so they better make their money
back on this deal. Like he just said, they're hot, guys,
we got to buy more ples. I asked sources in

(01:11:14):
WW and ESPN about Freddie Prince's Junior's comments about ESPN
being unhappy with WWE, and WWE higher up said no
one in WW upper management is aware of Freddy Prince's
role in the wrestling or otherwise. So it's a he said,
she said. Freddie Prince Junior said he talked to Yo
dog from Disney ESPN. He said, they better make their

(01:11:36):
money back on this deal, and WWE said, who.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
They're not Prince jor Well, this was right from the jump.
I mean, I'm not sitting here ever saying I'm some
sort of like brilliant fucking business person. Don't you think
I would have probably attempted whatever. But like when the
second they were like, yeah, they're going to charge this
amount of money for a PA per view. They're going

(01:12:01):
to eight times the price of what people are paying
to see WWE pay per views, I was like, this
is not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
This is going to pay fault. ESPN can get mad
at WWE all they want, but ww is just wweing.
They're not doing anything outside of what they normally do.
ESPN was the one that thought they could put fucking
everybody back in the jar. They thought they could just
put everything back in and force people to pay sixty

(01:12:28):
bucks for a pay per view, And it's like, who
are you kidding? Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
If somebody if you had a jar of jelly beans
and someone came up to you and was like, I'll
give you one thousand dollars for that, would you say, well,
I don't think you're going to get a return on
your investment, right, I think you probably just go, yeah,
here's a jelly beans, thinking jeah, enjoy them. And then
they came back like a month later and they're like,

(01:12:52):
what the fuck dude, The fuck man at jar jellybeans
didn't make me any I was going to sell them individually,
and it's like, turns people don't want to spend twenty
dollars per jellybee Like yeah, no, shit, fuck face people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Well it's not even just that, it's the way the
whole thing was handled, right, Like ESPN, I think at
one point, at least the way it sounded, wanted to
kind of incorporate WWE directly into ESPN. That didn't. That
didn't happen. I mean, I'm sorry, but this is this
is ESPN's fault. If ESPN or their higher ups at

(01:13:27):
Disney feel this way about the deal, then maybe they
should have done better research. I mean, it's not like
they couldn't have just looked at the last forty years
of the fucking company, you know, like and some.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Of the people who are trying to sell them to. Well,
it turns out to people that are selling you things
sometimes just lying embellish. Who know, right, who could have guessed?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Do you think it's about lying in bellishing? I think
it's literally they didn't pay attention to the fan base
of wrestling, and they didn't pay attention to how WWE operates.
They just didn't and they fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Do you know how confusing it was even to me
as somebody that like, I'm not I'm not following a
brazillion fucking streaming things. I'm not that big on the
media whatever, right, right, But I remember when it was
first announced, I'm like, oh, so it's on ESPN Plus.
I'm like, that's you know, if that was on ESPN Plus,

(01:14:27):
I would say, well, that's a pretty decent value because
you could get the package right, it's got you know,
ESPN Plus, Disney Plus or I was like, oh yeah.
I was like, that's not bad, and they're like, no,
we're gonna make a whole ass fucking other app. I'm like, what,
who wants? What? What the fuck is that? So you
have ESPN Plus which you can watch a bunch of

(01:14:47):
random fucking what soccer games and shit, and some hockey
games and maybe football, I don't know. And then they're
like yeah no, but then there's this whole other ass
app and it's like yeah no, like you said, bitch,
they just got too greedy. They thought to themselves like,
oh yeah, people are going to go along for this ride.
No they're they're not. It's expensive it's expensive and the

(01:15:08):
wrestling audience doesn't care enough about sports.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
They also haven't trained the audience right, Like, it took
a while, and we were talking about this earlier the Chedter.
I saw people talking about it too, but it took
people a while before. I mean it took Vince McMahon
with a giant nine to ninety nine flag before people
started jumping over to the network. Like the idea of
a WWE network took people a while to get on
board with. It wasn't an overnight success kind of deal

(01:15:35):
at all. And there were a ton of problems with
the network. And I was even talking about that earlier,
Like there was a shit ton of streaming issues, especially
early on with the live pay per views. Oh, those
were horrible. They just drop out for no reason. But
then by the time they got to Peacock, you were
expecting better. By the time they got to ESPN, you
were expecting better. But ESPN wanted to change things dramatically

(01:15:59):
so and kind of bring us back to the nineties,
and it's like, you got to train people. You got
to take the lumps with this. You want people to
go back to this, we gotta pay for a pl style.
Then you got to stop with the streaming. The international
stuff needs to stop. You need to control it so
that the only way people are going to watch these
programs are through ESPN, and that's not going to happen

(01:16:23):
anytime soon unless you're offering crazy amounts of money to WWE. Now,
when WWE eventually gets sold again, which is more possible
than not, maybe to the Saudis, maybe then they can
revisit this deal. Maybe with a brand new ownership again,
they can do something crazy and off the wall and

(01:16:43):
then pretty much lose like seventy percent of their audience.
But I mean they can try at least.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
You know, well, this is this is where anybody that
looked at that objectively, I saw so many people had hurt.
So many people just pay, don't you know?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I felt that way too, Joe Dude, I was in
that camp. I thought people would pay. But the problem
is is wonderful ladies like Stephanie McMahon made it very
clear that Surfy VPN had a special that you got
the first three months for free if you use the
code Stephanie, and therefore can watch all of the WWE

(01:17:23):
programs internationally through Netflix. So I mean, when you have
the heads of the company. When you have literal figureheads
of the company telling you ways to get around the
ESPN deal, that probably doesn't make them too happy either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Well, like, dude, even right now, literally while we're doing
this show, Amazon Prime is playing Thursday Night Football and
it's what the Cowboys VERSU Eagles, which I think is
a I think that's the game, right either a liance
I'm sorry, so the Lions, right, both teams with very
die hard fan bases. There's going to be people that

(01:18:03):
are like, fuck, man, I guess I'll just watch back
to highlights or like And by the way, the majority
of people still have Amazon, like they actually have Amazon.
If they put this on some fucky fuck platform that
they had to pay shit tons of money for, those
people would probably say, right, maybe I'll go to a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Bar like football.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
But yeah, but they're like, they're not gonna pay. They're
just not gonna pay. And it definitely is another tone
deafness kind of thing where you look at it and
you just go, what do you think the average person
is making for money in this country? That to them,
forty dollars isn't a real expense, right For a lot

(01:18:45):
of people like it's like you know what I'm you know,
right now, me and the missus where dinks? You know,
double income, no kids. You know, if we want to
go out to dinner on a Tuesday night and then
we want to go out to dinner on a Wednesday night, yeah,
sure we can make that fly. We can make that
fucking work. But once again, double income, no kids. But

(01:19:06):
there's a lot of people that it's like, well, you
got a kid, Well you got bigger house, Well you
gotta you got get the kid out insurance. Wait, the
kid needs bracest, the kid needs to go to the dentist,
kid needs to do you gotta go do this, you
gotta do that. Because somebody looks at them and says, oh, yeah,
by the way, forty dollars for the wrestling. It's like, yeah, no,
fucking no, thank you. That can go away. I don't

(01:19:27):
need it that much. It's not life or death.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I think that's also why and I and we talked
about this before too. I feel like I'm saying that
a lot, but I think that's It was a few
weeks ago that ESPN or one of ESPN's heads, and
maybe it was a Netflix guy too, that they were
interested in pushing WWE towards more of an adult audience
and getting rid of the family atmosphere. And that's where

(01:19:51):
some of these ticket price changes are coming in, because
they want more of the the dinks, they want more
of the single audience to show up to these events.
And it's like, yeah, again, maybe maybe that is the goal,
and maybe WWE has some kind of scientific reason for it.
Maybe there's been some spreadsheets passed around that said, hey,

(01:20:12):
we can make more money from the singles audience than
we do from the families. Maybe maybe such a thing exists,
but they're not doing anything to train people into that
mindset of thinking. The show doesn't reflect that. The show
is still aimed primarily towards kids. The merchandise doesn't reflect
that merchandise still aimed primarily towards kids. Like I understand

(01:20:34):
that there's big fucking nerds out there that will collect
all the toys and shit and play with them and
go like, I get that, right, There's always going to
be those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
But alone in the alone in that room, I no kid,
just an.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Empty room, clashing, just clashing little plastic figures of Seth
Rollins and Cody Roads together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
And bringing them together. They're like, this is fucking great, man, this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Is the life, but you're not going to convince it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Enjoy that corporate shareholder value.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Right, but you're not going to convince me that this
is a solid plan when there's absolutely nothing that changes.
So you can sit there and raise the prices and say, oh,
we're doing this to get this branch of an audience.
We think that there's more money there. But if you're
not doing anything to change the product to have people
leaning in that direction, then you're just setting yourselves up
to fail, like WWE is openly setting themselves up to fail. Now,

(01:21:31):
this goes back to a conversation you and John had
many years ago, and this was even before the TKO thing.
But maybe that's the point. Maybe they're doing this in
order to kind of tank the value on the market
so they can sell it, get a shit ton of
money for it, and then let the new company, the
new owners, hash that shit out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Let them deal with it, and fool them by going, yes,
this is what you can sell the tickets for which,
by the way, like I guess still remaining speaking for
the DNK community, the DNK community today, there is a
price point and a value to it that you have
to take into consideration, even from the perspective like I said, Hey,

(01:22:13):
you want to go to a nice dinner on a
Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday, whatever. Once again, don't got
kids to worry about, don't get a big ass house,
any of that shit. Okay, but like, what's the price
point of that? What are you willing to spend? Dude?
If it was five hundred dollars for a ticket to
go see WWE, which still makes me want to fucking
bar fall over myself, it's insane. And then I looked

(01:22:37):
at the missus and I go, yeah, let's spend one
thousand dollars to go to a wrestling Do you think
we couldn't find anything better to do with a spare
thousand dollars? If it was one hundred dollars a ticket
and it was two hundred bucks, could say, well, shit,
all right, you know that's if we went out to
dinner and order a couple of drinks, app and the
desserts two hundred bucks, you know, but like a thousand bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Awas had fun and I guess average tickets and he
his his wife or girlfriend or whatever spent six hundred
or eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Yeah, Jude, if if fell from the sky right, you're
walking down the street, you trip over a fucking wallet
with no license in it and anything at eight hundred
dollars in it, you and tink I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Still wouldn't spend that on that? Yeah, out of.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Here, would you go? Honey? I have just the thing
to do with this eight hundred dollars that I stumbled
across in the street. We're going to go to a
wrestling show? Or or are you going to say, dude,
let's go Maybe we'll go to a place. We'll go
to a hotel in a nicer place. We'll get a
fucking we've got a pool and a hut tub, and

(01:23:51):
you know, we'll go out to dinner somewhere. It's like
they're not thinking, like, what what a human being do
with a little bit of extra income, not what just
somebody that wants to wipe their ass what's money would do?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
And also, and this is kind of funny what I
was thinking about this too with WWE, with all these
prices and shit they advertise, all the sports gambling apps
and all that shit, because everybody just does now, But
how many people do you think that two or three
years ago that would have had that extra two three,
five hundred dollars even which is crazy that they would

(01:24:26):
have spent on a WWE ticket, would now rather put
that down on a game and watch a game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I mean, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Yeah I know. I said, like they're not. You know,
wrestling audience and WWE audience aren't always wanting to say
our sports audience aren't always wanted the same. But if
you're like, man, I put a thousand or thousands, hundred
bucks or fifty bucks down on the basketball and you
watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
If you're putting a thousand game, Jesus Christ fucking Jodi
hi Roller over here and shit, all right now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yeah, I'll put a thousand dollars down. You know, then
they have to go and you know, blow people in
an alley. I guess for lunch money, but like, no,
if how many people do you think even at that
point they're like, well it's more entertaining for me to
have a little bit of scratch out a fucking game
for twenty dollars, then it is you. You don't waste
fucking a thousand bucks. But that's so we'll watch Nikki Bella.

(01:25:18):
That's why this whole thing is just so confusing because
on one hand, WWE has been making money almost no
matter what, and on the other hand, they're just making
such weird executive decisions that feel like they're alienating their audiences.
It's the it's the wildest thing. It's like, hey, hey,

(01:25:38):
you giving me money, fuck you. And it's like, Okay,
here's more money. I don't I don't understand. And I
think it's because there's a lot of us just hitting
the feeder bar. That's all it is. It's Pavlov's response,
and we're just oh, wrestling's in town, gotta go. Oh,
Wrestling's in town, gotta go. But those fucking high ticket

(01:26:01):
prices are eventually going to break the spell. The spell
must be broken. It has to be. It's not cheap
fun for poor people anymore. It's just not. And like
that's eventually people are gonna go, m I'm fucking I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I hey, you know, speaking of cheap fun for poor people?
Did you hear about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Page Oh no good transition? What happened with her? A
Lovely Lady?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
She attended some kind of Chicago premiere event and some
asshole fans slapped her on the buttocks three times and
security didn't do anything out from it. It's kind of
like it's really in Chicago. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Page, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
But that's you know what though, if you're thinking about
it at this point, if you're having an event and
you're bringing women's wrestlers to it and you don't have
anything resembling security, the fuck is wrong with you. I
mean that's crazy to me. Like, by the way, like
this is coming from somebody where it's like, okay, on

(01:27:07):
wrestling shows, you have oh, I'm means, wrestlers show up
at wrestling shows, but you know who's there, wrestlers, So
you know, if somebody's like, hey, they're being shitty to
a girl, it's like, well, the tallest guy goes out
there and gets in the guy's face and says, get
the fuck out of here real quick, and that usually
solves the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
I'll close up this. Let me let me read off
what she said because we're getting near the end. But
she said just this past weekend in Chicago, fan decided
that he wanted to slap my ass three times in
a row because he thought it was funny, and the
security didn't do a fucking thing. They ended up coming
up to me afterwards and we're like, do you want
us to escort him out or whatever the case is,

(01:27:47):
But it was already nearly done, you know. I was
just like, it's too late in the day. They did
give me a security guard in the end, and he
was great, which is fine, But the fans are getting
way too comfortable. This is the second time this year
that a fan has touched me, tried to kiss me,
tried to slap my ass. It's just way too comfortable.
And it's like, this isn't the first. We've been hearing

(01:28:09):
so many horror stories about these girls, whether it's on
social media or god forbid the crazy shit that happened
with like Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville with the dude
in the closet. But I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know what is going to end up happening.
But I think that they're gonna try to reel it
back in. I think the only way is to try

(01:28:31):
and I don't know. I would say non sexualize these women,
but men are going to do that if they were
wearing a burka.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Yes, well this is I mean, we got to remember
that as there's some guys that are out there that like,
there's a woman running to the grocery store at that
oversize sweatshirt and sweatpants and the guy's like, oh, I
don't want to fucking oh right, that's always going to
be a show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Oh dude, we got a guy. We we got guys
in the chair room that are like that. I mean time.
Oh yeah, every time a girl shows up on screen
they start drooling. Like some of them are even named
after them. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Well no, but dude, there is something to the effect
of and this is why you know, we got to
have some of these folks. You got to have these people.
This is why you got to have bouncers. This is
why you got to have those dudes. And like I've
known the guys that have bounced and worked in these
places where it's just like you know what, maybe every

(01:29:26):
now and then they're going to overstep the line and
maybe bring a lawsuit. You know, it happens, right, But
the alternative is what they come in and people show
up at you're shit and make all these problems. You
need at least one crazy fucking person in these situations.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
One with the heart of gold.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, yeah, you need an ex con. You need like
a vet that like, you know, comparely like he blinks
a lot like that kind of guy like you know,
you know, stares off into space occasionally. It's like you
need like And by the way, you gotta give those
people need work, give them, give them, give him the job. Right.

(01:30:10):
You have some guy a picture, you had some guy
who sit in your page.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
I think you're thinking too hard about this. You're telling
me there's no wrestler around that would like to fucking
bodyguard for a page for a night.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Well, there's also a lot of people people are. It's
interesting because people like love Violet like they just have
never been more like okay with violence to some extent,
but not them doing it. They're like other people doing it.
They themselves are averse the idea of it, but they
love to watch other people be violent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
You really don't think that, uh, I mean, obviously you'd
be a better gauge of that. I would just think that,
here's this this gorgeous woman that's gonna be signing autographs
and she's a wrestler who's got clout in history, and
you're a wrestler, maybe a little indie guy. Why when'd
you want to hang her out for a little bit.
I'm sure you get a ton of pictures, even inadvertent ones,

(01:31:05):
you know what I mean. It just it just seems
like a smart career move.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I'm telling you right now. If you're a guy that
looks like Brodie King, yeah, well yeah, I mean just
a physical, a big fucking tattooed up guy, like yeah,
I got yeah right, Like, oh fucking its girl's hot.
You know, like even in that moment, like you're like,
I'm security, You're coming to my city, Like, I'll be
security for you. Worse, Listen, even if.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
You make a hundred bucks at the end of the
night for just standing around, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Probably gonna hand you a few hundred dollars and you know,
not even sitting there being like she's getta fick you.
But well, she's got friends, maybe she's got some friends.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Probably has friends.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Yeah, well she's like, hey, when we gonna come hang
out with me a couple of my hot goss friends.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Okay, one of my groupies. Yeah right right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Which, by the way, it's funny me and Emily we're
having almost this exact conversation with the friend of ours
last night who's gay. And he was saying that he
met a guy like one of his best friends at
one point, he met him on Grinder, and I was
laughing because I was saying, that's an experience that I
don't know too many heterosexual people would have where they

(01:32:17):
were like, yeah, I was on the fuck app and
I met up with the person and like we thought
it would be fucking but I was like, no, actually,
real cool.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
We were playing Revolution X all night. Guys. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
We're playing Echo of the dolphinsh it was sweet. But like,
oh my, yeah, that's not like a story that people.
You know, Man, I made well you know what, sex
didn't didn't work out, But I made a friend, right,
We had had a pal. Isn't that great? You know,
you never know where you're going to make a friend.
But yeah, in that moment, like I said, you know,

(01:32:53):
you say, hey, fucking come hang out while the fuck
not make a couple hundred bucks, you know, and like
I said, you know, she's like, hey, hang out with
me with my girls.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Somebody should run that by Page. Somebody seriously should run
that by Sorea and say have you ever just tried
calling or fucking contacting one of the local promotions that
you're doing these signings for and saying, hey, can you
send me a six foot six dude or something?

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
You know, do you have do you just send some which,
by the way, like this is what used to happen
in wrestling with signings, where it'd be like, who are
the students? Whoever the students were at the school? They
would come work to autograph lines, they would help set
up the ring. Obvious, they'd work ring crew. Sure, they'd
work autograph lines, all that other shit. But unfortunately, now

(01:33:36):
people that have wrestled for six months think they're fucking
you know, aw Jack Perry, Yeah exactly, Like that's that's
all gone. Like it's like, like I said, old man
Joe over here, fucking eating as word as originals. But
it's like, yeah, that's not what wrestling became, right, you know,
like it was it was at for a very very
long time where it's like we're gonna pay my dues

(01:33:59):
and it's like I know that idea's gone. Well, that's
that's not really a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I want to say, much love to everybody's showing up live,
much love to the people on the download Patreon dot com.
Ford's Last Wrestling soup for unedited or mostly unedited episodes
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page much love.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I mean, aside from John Cena freestyling yelling the N word.
We did have to edit that out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
We did. Yeah, yeah, Joey on the show, Joey could
only yell the N words seventeen times before paigeon.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
No, not me, John Cena, John Cena did it. I
told you that's what John Cena would. Maybe that's it.
Like I said, John Cena gets drunk in his last
match and just goes off.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Just mad dog man, banana red. You think he's blue blue?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
What's it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
What's it? Really?

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Depend on what color shirt he's wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Oh, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
He's got to match his his sugar booze with whatever
shirt he's got on. That important. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
I love you all much love, and we will see
you tomorrow. For Frank and Gus, we'll finish off some
of the more of those voicemails that we have. We
got some stragglers and a couple of questions. So if
you want to throw up more questions in the original
thread and you're on our Patreon, we'll go ahead. And
read those out tomorrow too. Not too much going on
this week. There's a couple more stories tomorrow that I
want to talk about that we'll hold off on today.

(01:35:15):
But yeah, no, follow our friends. Remember Impact is coming
to Thursday night soon, and I know Jeff Flipmann is
going to start up the monster there. Obviously he's got
a couple ideas for co hosts, et cetera, et cetera.
That's gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
And by the way, that's real. I told TNA that
they shouldn't mess with our show.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
They didn't listen, you know what, They did it before
and we outlasted them, so it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
That's okay, boy. I was like, hey, fucking TNA, what's
this shit about. You know they don't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
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