LEGENDS AND FUTURE GREATS REVIEW SHOW S2 EPISODE 5 (Wrestling Stew 7.23.25) w/ @Lufisto

LFG Episode 5: Wrestling Stew & Size Matters
In this episode of Wrestling STEW, host LuFisto and lawyer extraordinary Jeff Lipman discuss Episode 5 of LFG. The theme of this week is 'Size Matters: Big vs. Small' in wrestling and how it plays into storytelling. The episode also shares their views on wrestling storytelling, performance analysis, and thoughts on the episode's format and structure. With insights from wrestling legends like the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, this episode dives deep into the intricacies of wrestling psychology and performance.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Setup
00:25 Pre-Production Chaos and Job Talk
00:55 Wrestling Storytelling: Size Matters
05:40 Match Analysis: Anthony Luke vs. Elijah Holyfield
13:22 Match Analysis: Dani vs. P Nasty
18:31 Match Analysis: Drake vs. Chris Island
27:44 Match Analysis: Bailey vs. Summer
30:39 Analyzing Summer's Performance
31:18 Repetitive Moves in Matches
32:04 Booking for TV Competition Shows
33:38 Bailey's Match Critique
34:53 The Executioner's Mask Idea
37:08 Selling Moves and Match Psychology
40:07 Grading the Matches
44:07 Future Prospects and Critiques
50:00 Show Format and Viewer Engagement
56:06 Wrapping Up and Plugs

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All the damn work I'll put in with you.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Blue Fisto.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
What can you do with this person who's new? So
they look good, you look good and everybody's safe as well.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Put them in a black leather jogging a black.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Guy Jeff Lippman.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
It looked like she was too slow for school, but
she came out playing the hot mean girl. Look really
good tonight on LFG. Hello lady, gentlemen and everybody that
stands in between. This is LFG Episode five, And what
would you do with the contestants? We boil them, fried them,

(00:40):
put them in a stew. They're wrestling stew. My name
is Li Fisto and I'm with the lawyer extraordinary Jeff Lippman,
as always, How are you, Jeff?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am very well, thank you. I was talking to
pre production about how I was scrambling around this morning,
but I mane she gets things done. None of them
actually tied to my well, only one of them actually
tied to my regular job. But since no one to
my office listens to this, they apparently won't care.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
What would they say if they would listen, Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Not much, because I mean, actually it's really easy for them.
I mean, unlike Max apparently to the granular level they
can tell what I'm doing on their systems.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Hopefully. So this week it was about sized matters, big
versus small, how we can work that into storytelling in wrestling,
and that's what the coaches were had to judge this
week and how you do it right. And I'm not

(01:42):
sure who said it the best, but I don't know
if it was Undertaker of Bubba, but they say that
this story, as simple as it sounds, doesn't get told
the right way. And I am so like on board
with the statement.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean, everyone knows them sizest and you know,
and I think they all sort of said the same thing,
and they did say nowadays, the story is not told right.
It might have actually been Sean who said it, and
he pointed out the we meaning him and Undertaker worked
differently in the nineties than we meaning him an Undertaker
worked in two and nine twenty ten, but that you know,

(02:21):
the under you want to establish the underdog. You want
to have hope, and you want there to be the
upset and as Okay, my favorite part of this entire
scene was while they're doing this, we can see Booker
t doing curls in the background.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I didn't even notice. I was like I was listening
to what sean because I was saying because indeed, like
how we said that ninety six was not the same
as like two thousand and nine and ten. I feel
that in ninety six, the smaller guy beating the big
guy was not a thing. But then as the year progresses,

(02:57):
like it started to make sense and people, I think,
started to work the style better, meaning that quickness can
be and speed can quick it can can beat ranked
and size and the never say die attitude that the
fans can get behind. I think back in the day,
it was all about how the wrestler looked at, not

(03:21):
what they could portray like a beam of hope like
you said, somebody who inspired, like yeah, hope and creating
an upset. And I really liked how Bej was like
it's not complicated, Like I was like, yeah, this this
guy just doesn't get it, like he's a dumb ass.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like yeah, but like he doesn't get it at all,
or he gets it so well that he knows he's
just performing for the camera.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
So be honest, don't really watch any of their stuff.
Is really nothing special about what they said, Like everybody
gets a story, Bros. It's not that complicated to understand.
Like big guy, Little Guy Sean took like an hour
up there to explain it. But I was like, brother,
this is the most simple concept of all time.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, that too, But I was like or or like,
he's he's the guy that plays the role of every
fan out there that's like, yeah, that's that's easy to do,
and I don't know why they can't do it and
I could do it better myself. And because because that's
the type of comments we'll read online, so I'm like,

(04:29):
maybe he's just the representation of what they read online.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He might be. I mean, I don't know. I haven't
figured him out, and I probably never will. But I mean,
you know, for all of the things that that one
can say about Vince McMahon junior, and you certainly can
say lots of things, he's the one who had the one,
two or three kid beat Razor ramone he started. He's
the one who hired Evan Bourne, and I'm pretty sure
in ninety six he was already eyeing up ray mystereo

(04:56):
and and seeing you know, the future being so in
a lot of ways, he was a visionary towards the end. Obviously,
like most of us are many of us when we
get all we stop being visionaries or at least where
our vision gets blurred or slowed.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
But this is a very polite way to say.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, like me, like, you know, I got school today,
because you know, you know, unless they're blowing smoke, Netflix
extremely happy and toouting to the world how great WWE
is doing for them. And you know, I'm the guys
at five point nine million in the first week world right,
that stinks And then the next week was like at
three million. I'm like, that's terrible. I mean, this reminds
me of aw Wentz started at one point four million

(05:36):
and then was down to nine hundred thousand and eight hundred.
But you know, they're thrilled they've got a top ten
show year round, and you know, apparently that's a game changer.
And credit to the people who saw it because they're
forward thinking and I'm not and I'm not just some
of professionals like people I know from so you know,
MJ from NJ out there. I know you're not listening,

(05:56):
but you should to shout out to you because you
you you saw it all. But yeah, so yeah, by
the way, Booker. He was doing curls with just the bar.
No wait, so yeah, I guess he.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Was just getting a nice pump for TV.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, just the ego stuff. Yeah, we thought this show
went pretty quickly because they went straight to the match
decisions and they agreed on the matchups. The first promo
is Danny husseying being the smallest is an advantage store. Okay,
I'm glad that she believes that. But yeah, our first
matchup was Anthony Luke versus Elijah Holyfield, and they made
a big deal with Anthony Luke isn't that much bigger

(06:29):
than Elijah Holyfield, but he sort of works a big
man style and Elijah sort of needs to learn how
to work as the babyface from underneath. So you know
that that was the first match I was interested to
see it. Anthony Luke said that this is my game,
it's my field. I'm the most fly, I'm the last act,
I'm showtime, and he showbowed it. But yeah, you know,

(06:51):
what was your take on the match and the match flow?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
First of all, like I thought like Anthony Luke did
look bigger than he actually is. So he he worked
that part like really really nicely. He was the one
throwing Allifield around. He was the one like he It's
like he stood taller, like he really looked like a

(07:15):
bigger man. So for that part, he like really had
the assignment down. The only thing that really bothered me
about this match is that although Hallyfield also did a
great job at luring himself to being smaller, weaker to
kind of get that that under dog feel, which he

(07:39):
did perfectly, but I just thought, like, has a babyface.
You you can't die. You need to fight back, you
need to push back, you need to at least try
to do something when the heel comes gets you, you
try to push him away, but he's he's fat, like
he's stronger, or he's meaner, or he cheats, so he

(07:59):
gets back on top. And I just felt like Elijah
was just down for the count and selling, selling, selling,
which it did like great. So there's a lot of
great things about this match, but the fact that he
was not fighting back, especially like he's smaller when you
come when it comes to stature, but size wise, he's

(08:25):
like wider than most of them, Like he's got those
big shoulders, he's got like the muscles, like he's thick,
So that like that's what was missing from this this
mass like the comeback was a little bit too long
to get there. There was not enough fire. The gut
punch was not as impressive as last week. It came

(08:46):
like too fast, like instead of him like going all
the way back with his arm and then forward into
the stomach where it looked like like the hit could
be the finish. This week did not have the same impact.
The comeback kind of came out of nowhere. So overall,

(09:08):
like they for the assignment of big versus Small dated
like an incredible job, but I just felt that they
also forgot who they were and what they look like,
so I would have added a little bit of things
like that. And one thing that really bothers me is
when somebody turns their back on their opponent. I don't

(09:29):
care if you're a heel or a babyface, but if
you turn your back, like, okay, the heel can be
a little bit stupid, but the babyface looks stupid too,
standing there not doing anything, especially like Anthony Luke turned
his back and instead of moving away, stayed really close
to Elijah, so he could have like caught him into

(09:54):
a sleeper hole or anything like real fast, but he
was there, like what you do. It kinds of defeats
the purpose of a Babyface having fire, Like, of course
Babyface will not strike like the opponent in on the back,
but still don't turn your back like uh, sometimes you'll

(10:16):
see that when people are circling around for the lock up,
one of them will kind of turn real quick, but
still turns us back down. It that drives me insane, insane.
Do not do that. Never turn your back on your
opponent unless you're the heel and you're at a point
in the match where you are so cocky that you

(10:38):
believe that the whole woman is down, is not gonna
get up, But of course Babyface fire, he's gonna get up,
and then you know, surprises you with something or a
quick whirl up as something. But yeah, overall, like for
the assignment, yeah, they they they succeeded.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, I agree with like ninety percent of what you said,
probably a little bit. I mean, Anthony Wuke absolutely was
acting like he I actually typed he's acting like he's
six eight, not like he's just the bigger guy in
this match, And I think maybe that was part of it.
So what was good was also the bad like I
think like in his mind he was playing big John
Studd as opposed to just the bigger guy, so he

(11:18):
was acting like him, like he was sort of like
like you said, he was being the cocky, dumbest shield
like Honky Tonk Man, which I don't think was really
is really his character. And so it's like he wasn't
playing himself throughout the match, though when he came in,
he was himself. So and I get that Elijah Holyfield

(11:39):
was supposed to play the littwer guy, but it's still
Elijah Holyfield. So you don't turn your back on a
guy who can hit you with a rabbit punch in
the kidney. I mean, if he's you know, if it's Danny,
I'm sorry it out because I can't. That's like she
could jump on and, like you said, do a sleeperhold
or something like that and then you toss her over.

(12:00):
But you know that's not Elijah. Elijah. You know, one shot,
you're done. You should know that. So I also didn't
like how it was totally one sided for like two
thirds of the match. Holyfield did turn it around. He
got that punch, you know, with the gut punch, exactly
what you said, it sort of came out of nowhere.
I don't know if the you know, their timing was
an issue. There's you know, they have less camera people.

(12:21):
And then it's sort of he does sort of like
a like a compressed sidewalk slam as his finisher. I
like that. I liked his finisher. And while I think
both of us would like to see the gut punch,
I mean that's enough that combination. I'm good with it.
I like the way he did it. I mean it's
nothing more than he locks his arms when doing it,
but it's it look good, so Elijah gets to win.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
They they they knew the assignment, and I just think
that they both maybe played into the characters they were
supposed to play, as opposed to adapting those roles to.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Their characters exactly. Like, even even if you have that
assignment of fulfill you still have to look yourself in
the Mirror's like, okay, what's my style? And who am
I you? You can't forget who you are? Like you said,
Elijah Olafiel, is he a punch like a puncher or whatever?
And like you said, when he turned around, Kidney was

(13:17):
right there, boom. It should have been over like it
was he turned around. It was way too long as well.
So yeah, just little things here and there. But I mean,
if we just go for the assignment, I mean, I'm
I was okay with this match, but yeah, Elijah should
never never sell, sell, sell, sell and not fight back.

(13:38):
It's yeah, that was that was absolutely missing.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean, Anthony might be a rookie or a
rookie adjacent, but Eliza's truly green and I learned what
the difference was, I think last night on LFG or
on NXC when they were talking about the difference. Anyway,
the next match is a true David versus Goliath, not
in the day in versus the philistine sense, but Danny
against P Nasty and P Nasty always. You know, she

(14:05):
always comes with a good promo. You know, she says you, Danny,
you say that all the people paid to see you
doing cheerlead and no one came to see you. They
came to see the football players playing football. And I'm
player here, and you're gonna come and get your issue
or come collect your issue. I don't even know what
that means, but it sounds cool.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
She's got a tagline that was a great promo. Loved
the promo. It felt real like it didn't feel scripted.
It was just her like talking shit, and yeah, I
really really loved that promo. Like it it felt like
kind of out of nowhere and she just like set
everything that was on her mind and up the rings
she went, and uh, yeah, I really loved it.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, I don't have a lot to say about the match. Well,
I'll just get it out there and then let you
scientifically break it down more because the first part of
the match I felt like was the first match. Panina
was tossing her around, and she was stretching her and
she was twisting her, acting like a great, bigger he
with some technical prowess. Danny was being tenacious and not quitting,
which we didn't see from Elijah throughout only in his comeback.

(15:09):
There was a spear so p Nasty gets added to
the list of people who a better spirit than Jay
Husso and Danny countered it with a Hell's gate and
p Nasty powered out of it almost but Danny put
it back into the hell's gate and submitted her, which
I didn't see coming. That was out of nowhere for me.
It was a bit abrupt. I like it in concept.

(15:32):
I just I just don't feel like Danny got enough
offense in or Panina fouled enough an offense where she
hurt herself that Danny should be able to submit her
under really almost any circumstances.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
But what did you think, Like, I didn't mind the
hell'sgate out of nowhere in that match for the reason
that hell'sgate is a real shoot, mma, arm bar kind
of choke whatever, so people know, like it can happen
out of nowhere at UFC and the guy will tap out.

(16:07):
That happens once you're trapped out of there. You can't
breathe a bunch of stuff of irting, so it doesn't
matter how big you are whatever, you're trapped in there.
And she had it like really tight, so it didn't
look weak. It was like a solid one to the
point where where she picked her up and you could
see her whole body like being like super stiff, and

(16:27):
it's like, okay, she got she got her And it
made sense just because of that, Like it doesn't bought
her as much as like another like just say a
regular wrestling move or finish out of nowhere would happen
because because it's a legit move, so it made sense
to me. I love how Danny was using her quickness

(16:48):
and how she showed she was relentless and she you
know one thing that really really like I really loved
about this match is and I always repeat it, if
I can't see her suffering, I must hear it. And
I could hear and feel Danny's pain. She was screaming,
almost crying, and she she had that never die attitude

(17:13):
and every time she would get something on P Nasty,
it was because p Nasty was distracted by the referee
or by the fans, or simply because like Danny was
just quicker. And everything made sense for me in that match,
and they told the story perfectly of what big versus

(17:34):
small should look like, like the babyface is always like
under but always fights back, never gives up, uses the
speed quickness to have some pinfalls or quick spots or whatever. Yeah,
that messed to me, like was really great, and I
love how once she got the tap out, she rolled

(17:56):
out of the ring real quickly and ran away because
like P Nasty's dangerous, so she wouldn't stay there and
celebrate because once like she's out of the house gig,
then she can breath she could destroy her. So she
she rolled out right away. Great, great, great way to
finish the match. So yeah, this match to me was

(18:19):
like great, yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean, listen, I know this is this is leg
so they aren't going to get too creative with the
booking often, but I would have rather like p Nasty
was trying to be vicious. She tears off the top turnbuckle.
She goes in for a charge, she hits her own
head on it, and then Danny gets it. But O,
I tell you that if there wasn't a rule where
they had to give a point to a woman and
a man, I think both women should have gotten the points.

(18:44):
I think that. I think that this was the match
of the night. I think, and they were both the
performers of the night.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I completely agree. Yeah, it's it's it's bad that they
have to give it to one guy one girl, because yeah,
they were definitely this thing ends out tonight.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah. Next we got Drake Moreau, the gator guy, and
Chris Island, who is sort of on an islands surrounded
by a moat with gators. I'm not exactly sure he's
Liz a little bit in his head. Anyway, Drake Morou says,
this isn't David versus Goliath, this is Jess Goliath and
you're in my swamp. So that finally he's showing a
little personality on the problem works.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
The gimmick works. The gimmick. It was a good promo.
I liked it. It was simple.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And he comes out and he wipes his took us
with his beads and then he tosses them into the crowd.
So heelss So he learned from his mistake the fire
time come out as a heel Angelic Island comes out
in all white, almost like boxer gear. Apparently that was
Booker's idea. So that was, you know, that was okay,
a nice little change of pace. When he entered the ring,

(19:47):
he got way too close to Drake Morou and all
of the judges like in uison, too close, too close,
And then I can hear you basically saying the same
thing about what Anthony Luke was doing in the first
match with Elijah. So yeah, this was big and power
versus speed. They had a like a move that was

(20:08):
supposed to be I guess I'm gonna be like a
F five kind of move, but they both fell down.
It was sort of like a giant botch but they recovered. Okay,
I have just Gobby host. This is four asterisks, this note.
Both of these guys bore the heck out of me.
Ended up with the Undertaker's choke clam win for Drake
more big, I beat the little guy. But whatever, I like,

(20:29):
I said, both these guys you didn't care much. Yeah,
these like yeah, you know, the one guy seems like
he should be the greco Roman wrestler on the Indies,
and the other guy seems like he'd be the biggest
guy in the Indies. But I don't see either one
of them on my TV. Really.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
The thing is that they do have size or a
certain look. Chris Island. I mean, this look was not
very intricate, but at least like he was all in
white and it looked, you know, very baby face, like
old school babyface. Like it was simple, different, but it
was better than just singlet with no bazas or whatever.

(21:07):
The fact that it was white, the light was reflecting
on it, like it made more for a baby face
vibe than his usual just plain singlet.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'd like to have seen him come out more like
you know, Johnny be Bad or the boozy of the
boxer guy that they would come out and do the
but oh Rocky Johnson like come out and do the
box he moves, but he's not a boxer, so it yeah,
it felt incongruously anyways, Sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
No, absolutely right, there is definitely something.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
The thing with Chris Island is when we talk about fire,
I feel that's always what's missing. He's got the moves down,
like technically he's he's doing good, but like there's no
there's no intensity. It's it's always there's no sense of urgency.

(21:57):
I mean, what I really liked about the match those
I will say is that every time Chris was trying
to whip Drake, Drake would reverse. He was never able
to complete a full Irish whip, which makes sense bigger guys,
stronger should reverse, but then Chris would duck into something
like because he was quicker, and then he got stopped.

(22:19):
At day that big bootoo looks really good. That's a
great cutoff. That's like, you know, right into the face
and we go into heat. So that works. That works
really well. And he tried also to lift the big Man,
but at first it was not working. So I like
the babyface struggling form under trying to pick up the
big guy can't do it. The idea is that later

(22:40):
he's you know, in his comeback, he's gonna have the
fire to do it and then he will get a pop.
There was a fuck up a one point why they
were working too fast and there was there was not
enough space between them for them to work that move correctly.
It's better sometimes if you feel you too fast, put
your opponent create this stence and then go into it.

(23:02):
That way you have enough space to go through the
motion and well, not fuck up because this this was
close to being dangerous even like you could see the
judges like whoha, like they got like scared that somebody
would fall on her head. And besides that, like I
liked that Drake was using his side like he would

(23:23):
put his weight on his opponent every time he had
like a hold. And also the ending where Chris goes
for the angle like a type of angle slam, I
would say, and then big guy kicks out and then
he's like, oh no, what can I do? Danny goes
on the top rope, he works the top rope like
I can't beat him with that big move. What can

(23:44):
I do? Okay, I need to do something bigger, so
I go on the top rope. So that made sense,
But I feel like also like he didn't when they
went for the choke slam, like he choked on it.
He didn't push himself. A lot of people also make
the mistake of pushing backwards when they should put They

(24:05):
should push up and then take the bump, like you
should go as high as possible and then you know,
go on your back and take the bump correctly for
choke slant to look good. But yim that didn't look good.
They told the story of big and small, but yeah,

(24:26):
I just feel like there was not enough, not enough
like underdog feeling from Chris because he was not selling loudly.
I couldn't see like his face although like he's gonna
have those moments where he sells correctly most of the time,
it's almost like the same kind of expression. So I

(24:49):
don't feel pain for him. I don't feel sorry for him,
So why would I cheer for him if you don't
give me anything in return, Like I don't hear your pain,
I don't hear screaming. So yeah, in the end, it
just ends up being blend because you don't. You can't
feel the emotions because they're almost absent.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Chris's resting face sort of looks like he's always in
some sort of angster pain, you know, Like you remember
when Hangman page came out and the you say, millennial
cowboy or anxious millennial cowboy. That's what I feel about Chris,
minus the cowboy part of it.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't know if he knows who he is or
what he is yet, but like I feel like if
he could like have that same expression and sort of
do like the male version of what Chelsea Green is doing.
And grant that she's like a multi year professional and
she's excellent, but if he could sort of like be
like almost have a little bit of BJ in him,
but the whiny side, you know though though not so

(25:47):
much the cocky side, like why is this happening to me?
Like more like the Nancy Kerrick and white people like
Nancy Perrick and even though she was the victim. I
think it could do that. Then he could work on
being a face. I don't know. It's like I'm trying
to write people off because I don't want to get
attached to them, but then I remember that they are people,
and I want them all to succeed. Now, nice things

(26:08):
about Drake. The big boot looks great, the choke slamper
is great.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
The way he uses his size to press down on
the opponent. I like that too. Yeah, he moved, He
moves well for a big guy. So of course he's
very green right now. But I feel like with time,
there's probably deffinitely do something with this guy. Like he
has expressions on his face. He's not like same face

(26:33):
kind of guy, so it needs a little bit of work,
but I mean hopefully that's gonna come. So I see
something maybe bigger for him than Chris at this moment,
because it's just I feel like every time I watch
on one of his matches, it's it's the same match,
and I don't feel any sympathy for him, and he's

(26:55):
a baby face. So yeah, maybe try as a heel,
maybe like the cocky, cry baby kind of heel, like
you know, dashing Cody Roads or you know, like some
something along those lines like would be great, or maybe
like Lane screwed Christ Jericho the conspiracy theory, like maybe

(27:18):
that would work perfectly for him. So yeah, I mean,
I I'd like to see him try as a heel.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I know that WW doesn't exactly have a formal working
relationship with n w A, and they've got their own
territories system set up. I mean, I know Natty went there,
and there's probably been some other things we don't know about.
But I feel like a few of these I call
them kids could go on excursion to the NWA. They
could learn how to work. They could work with people
like Mike Knox and Trevor Murdoch and you know, e

(27:46):
C three, Tim Storm and and sort of. You know,
I think that, and I think their characters are simple
enough to work in the universe of the the NWA
is trying to build. Like here there's a cowboy, here's
a crooked cowboy. Here's a bad guy who cheats. Here's
a cult. You know, here are slimy guys. Here's a

(28:07):
rich spoil kid.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I mean, this is now kids principle, keep it simple, stupid,
It always works. Everybody gets it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yep. And I think I would add a little something
to you know, NWA, and it would anyway, and by
my little fantasy booking aside, We'll moving to the main event,
which was Bailey Humphrey the Other Monster against Summer Sorel.
Michelle McCool seems to think that Summer Sorell is the
new iteration of herself. And when she comes out and

(28:35):
then Bailey comes out, they coaches say Summer looks like dinner,
and in fact, she did look like dinner. And we learned.
This is where I learned there's been Green and a rookie,
because they said that both of these women have both
only been there for five months. This is my first
opportunity to see Summer in action.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, we got presents, I gotta get better, hit back up.
Just five months and she is ready to take that
next step.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I was shocked this. I thought that Bailey was
much further along than Summer was because she's I mean,
she seems better to me, but that is Green. Rookie
is longer than that. He noticed that they did something
different with with Bailey Humphrey's makeup. They definitely made her
more angular. Reminded me like when Shana Basler was sort

(29:27):
of doing a lot of makeup on her eyes. I
think that that was it added something to her. I'm
not saying it made her, you know, yeah, I think
it made her more attractive, but it also made her
more scary. It was like almost like it was almost
like an anime like immrtal Kombat sort of character eye shape.
I love that the crowd does Bailey's gonna kill you chance,
like the Samoa Joe chance. Yes, and that you know,

(29:52):
we get into the match, so I'm I'm gonna let
you dissect the match and then I'll give one of
my two centss at the end for summer.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So all like when she came out, it was she's
like the interest is half baby half heel, so she
was kind of in between. So I would have added
a little bit more smile. She can do like those
hand gestures and posing and stuff, but you need to
have the smile to make sure like it's clear as

(30:19):
day that you're a baby face. Because she she has
that bitch resting face when she's doing it and baby doesn't.
It doesn't work like it has to be clear. So
just had a smile and I mean everything else, you know,
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I don't has been used to have a turned out
guys in bars and clubs more than she's had to
use to play the character in wrestling. That that's that's
what that faces. It's a it's a it's a it's armor.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
And I'm sure it worked too in that environment. I
don't know if it was a great cell or she
was actually nervous, but I like that she was shaking
her hands and looking at Bailey and kind of breathing heavy.
I was like, she's either nervous or it's it was
it's a good way. That sounds like, oh my god,
look at what I have in front of me. I'm

(31:07):
I can do this, but I'm scared and and and
it makes it makes the whole thing real because when
you see a very tiny woman going, oh, I can
take you whatever, it's like, okay, dude, like it's you're
not selling this story here. But she was. She was nervous,
but you know, I've I got the fire. I could
do this. But so I really like that about her.

(31:29):
So I don't know if it was on purpose or not,
but it looked great. When you do a lock up
and then the bigger person pushes you to show how
strong she is, you need to take a crazy bump,
and like Summer just kind of rolled. It doesn't have
the same effect as bumping. Bumping almost to the point
where you lean back on your stomach and you're like,

(31:51):
oh my god, what was that? And then you you
kind of realize the you know, the what stands in
front of you, but it's just kind of roll in.
I don't know if you notice, but in every single
match you have the heel grab the baby face underneath

(32:14):
their arms and throw them in the buckle. They all
did that move. You know, that's one thing that agents
usually need to look at. You make sure that moves
are not repeated from one match to another. Of course,
if they would do it and match one and then
they do it and match four, you don't remember the

(32:35):
first one, you don't care, but every single match to
the point where you're like, okay again again.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
We see that on Evolve. Also, I have a feeling
that they are working certain things during the course of
the week, and so they have them practice it. You know,
they're not booking for a TV wrestling show. They're booking
for a TV competition show, so I don't think they're
particularly concerned about that. But absolutely, you know, from the
viewing perspective, it's not that interesting for us to see

(33:06):
the same thing over and over again.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Although they would not book the TV show for that,
you know, purpose or whatever. You still have to teach
them not to do it to make sure, like you
go see other people at least the match that's before you.
What are you doing? How do you start? What's your finish?
Any big signature moves you're doing, so one I'm not

(33:30):
repeating them. Two, I'm not using your finish as a
regular move where other person kicks out when you know
somebody just fell to the same freaking move before, or
it's even worse if you do it and the match
before my cat agrees and then you and then the

(33:50):
match after the person loses with the move that was
just like a traditional move. So always go see you know,
at least the match before the match after, so you
don't repeat the same thing. Like I said, if you're
so far apart on the card, if you match one
in the main event you both do a cannonballs, nobody

(34:10):
will freaking remember the cannon ball form match one, you know,
unless it's the finish and then the other one is not.
But then it's the main event, so okay, maybe they
can kick out of a few more things because you
know it's it's the top of the card. But besides that,
I liked ice how Summer use their abilities and speed
to kind of take over Bailey. But here's the thing though,

(34:32):
as a babyface that's smaller and we're working small versus
big working holds is not It's not the best way
to show, you know, they were so far away from
the assignment. I mean, it shows that she's quicker because
she reverses the moves, but I mean, Bailey's so much bigger.

(34:53):
She should have like pushed her, pull the arm and
Summer falls and punch her while she was in a hold.
That part it was like that that didn't really work
with me. And you could see Bailey calling the moves.
That was as clear as day, Like I could see
her calling every move even though I could yeah, I

(35:15):
was like, don't be a John Cena, don't be There
was a little bit too loud and you could even
see her talk. So I don't know if she needs
to get her her hair in her face or I
don't know, find a way where she can hide what
she's doing, but it's so it's clear as day that
she was calling.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I have had a terrible idea. Well, the reasoning for
it is terrible, but it actually fits into what you're
just saying. Because she's so big and because she's so strong,
but also because of her let mean, she's got that
giant bubble chin. I think that they put her in
like an executioner's mask, and that way it covered is

(36:00):
what you're saying, it's talking. It also covers the aesthetic
of it. And I think once people can see what
she do, what she can do, I don't think they'll
care what she looks at it looks like. But I
think in the beginning, wrestling fans are terrible. I'm terrible,
but I feel like I'm terrible and I say it
and I'm representing like seventy percent of the other people
out there who are terrible. But it is an aesthetics business.

(36:22):
So if you're going to be a monster, yeah, do
an executioners mask. They did it for Terry Gordy at
the end, and it's going to be harder to see
someone's mouth move, but you can hear it, but it
would be probably garbled anywhere past you know, five feet,
So I don't know. I mean, I know the I've
already said how terrible it is. I acknowledge it, but
I think it actually works here on a few levels.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
It doesn't need to be like an excutioner mask too.
Think about Kane Kin had a great look with a mask,
and the way the mask was made you can see
his lips move. So if it's really a problem, that's
something yeah, they could they could take into consideration. Also,
there's no women right now with a mask that's like

(37:07):
Kine like she would stand out. So that's that probably
would be a great idea that could help and would
make her stand out. For me, she already she's already
standing out from the way she looks in her size.
So having that mask and having that monster they call
her the monster already, So push that like Jason Voorie's

(37:30):
kind of Michael Myers. Push that monster gimmick to the fullest,
not to the point where it's like cheesy like spirit
Alloween kind of thing, but more like Caine mankind. I
would go towards something like this. Yeah, Abyss another great example.

(37:50):
And one of the things like I just thought was weird,
Like on the Avalanche there was like a no cell
I don't know if that was a fuck up summer
kind of move away from the corner. Then Bailey hit
the corner, but she didn't sell the buckle. Even if
she's big. She needs to sell at least, you know,
register the impact that it hit her. And then she

(38:12):
she doesn't need to sell for twenty minutes, but just
like a little old like almost like I had my
I couldn't breath for a second, but something to sell.
What just happened? I mean maybe, like I said, I'm doubting,
like it might be a little fuck up. I don't
know if she was not supposed to move on the
first one and then move on the second, but she

(38:35):
moved right away. We'll never know. And one of the
things like when it comes to the finish, like her
finish like looks great. But I don't know if you
notice how somercerel after the big move, like she was
up like she took a big move which I don't
remember exactly what it was before the finish, and she

(38:57):
was up real quickly, and she was looking at Bailey
waiting for the last move to come in instead of
taking the move like selling, trying to get up and
being in pain. And then Bailey she grabs her herself
like she doesn't wait for her for summer to come

(39:19):
towards her. You go get her and you you know,
give her that great fucking finish. But you don't let
the baby face there stand up, no, sell your move
just to be in position for whatever comes next. It
looks stupid, It looks fake. Just you know, if you're
gonna do like a combo back to back, you hit one,

(39:40):
sell it a second, grab the baby face, and hit
the finish one two three. Yeah, I just thought, like
you could really look Summer was looking at her and
waiting for that move. So yeah, try not to look
at your opponent cell looking down. You can, you know,
you use you just look on the side just a

(40:01):
little bit just to see where your opponent is standing
to know it's coming, but don't like turn your full
face and then look and wait. Everybody can see it.
And again, babyface looks stupid. It's not like she would
be looking at her asking for mercy. Like it's not
the same type of you know, just to think about

(40:23):
Rick Flair when he was with Shawn Michael, It's like, no,
don't do it, and he was looking at him and
then he said no, I'm sorry, I love you and
then hit him like he was kind of begging for mercy.
So that makes sense he was looking at him. But
in Summer's the Summer and Bailey match, that didn't make sense,
and I see it non stop in matches. It's really

(40:45):
something to work on for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, for sure, I mean, and that's why, looking back
on it, if they had to give a point to
the men, it should have been Anthony or Elijah because
they're the only ones of Their match was a little
bit different because despite the way they acted, the end
the match really was I'm bigger and stronger, but I'm
pretty big and strong too, and he and he and

(41:10):
he won with power moves. I agree with you on Summer.
I did enjoy Bailey's They called it a torture rack.
I called a backbreaker, but then she did like a
traditional backbreaker, so I guess that's I guess they knew
that was coming, so, you know, half torture rack or
modified tortureck. I like that a lot. I liked that
she went back to the back. It's one of those
moves where some are popped right up. That's yeah. And

(41:31):
then you know, then Summer did her hope segments and
that was actually well done. I mean that part of
it was well done, and then almost you know, Bailey
went back to the back. And then she hits her finisher,
which you know, my criticism it's like so many hand
gestures is like the macarena looks great. I wish she
I still look they have a name for it, So
if anyone adopts my execution or my medieval kind of

(41:52):
theme for ba I would call it the catapult slam,
because that's sort of like what it looks like. It's
sort of like swinging the entire arc of the body
over and then then go on kaboom. And there's already
something called the guillotine, so we you know, so we
can't do that as a as a different name. So
the catapult Slam. I think Trebuchet is a little bit snooty.
I don't think I'm not giving the ab Yes, I

(42:16):
mean obviously you your friends Quebeca, as you know, I'm
gonna stop my accents.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Let them eat cake would be another name.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
So Bailey got her win with the finisher, as she should.
I have a couple of questions. One, I didn't miss
this or did I? There was no news on our
cliffhanger of last week, no news on Taciana's health, right.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
No, that's true. Nothing They didn't mention her as at all.
So I think it goes back to what we were discussing.
They have four different people every show, so this show,
she was not in the four people chosen. Therefore the
story will continue one you know, it's her again or

(43:01):
group or or whatever. But yeah, nothing, nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Someone should have said something. There should have been you know,
whoever does the voice over? I think it's Alicia Taller.
This was sending to me, you know, to the audience.
The update on Tatiana is that blah blah blah. Anyway,
there was another thing I wanted to ask you. When
they were grading, the Undertaker looked at Bailey and said,
I failed you. I apologize to you. What did he

(43:27):
mean by that? Why did he apologize? And do you
feel like he owed her an apology?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
The story of the match was wrong, like she didn't
work as a big person versus as small. It was
almost like fifty to fifty at the beginning. They were
trading holes like chaining, like Curtin Engel and Eddie Guerrero
and so, and they're not the same size. You can't
do this. So yeah, in terms of psychology, it was wrong.

(43:54):
Everything was wrong.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Nowadays, it often doesn't get told right. Yes, you have
to Understan and the way Taker and I worked in
nineteen ninety six very different than the way we worked
in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Two thousand and ten.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
You have to understand that when you're on the smaller side,
they're never looking for me.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
To Kicky's apps.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
When we tell this story this side here, it's about hope,
it's about an upset. Please always understand the hardest work
you're going to do in this business is not physical.
It's going to be mental up here. It's going to
be the creative and the psychology side of this business.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
So Undertaker as probably like a coach and the agent
of the match. I would assume the way they set
up the match was not okay. So I completely understand
what he was talking about. So I think that's what
he meant, like, I failed you because the story. Remember

(44:54):
what they were saying at the beginning that I'm trying
to see the phrase I was used it was story
is moreover. The story has to be more over than yourself.
So in that match, like Bailey like was pulling her,
putting herself over with her strength, with her moves, but
the story itself was not told properly, and Sean was

(45:17):
very passionated about this. Why because when this story is
told right, it is money, and in this case definitely
not so that that's what the Undertaker was talking about, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I tell you, from my uneducated eye, I didn't see
much difference between that match and any of the others.
I mean, maybe I any difference I saw is attributed
to execution, but maybe there were maybe there were some
spots that were not agented or told to do or
emphasized enough, and maybe he did fail, or maybe there
were a few things they would have made it more impactful.
All right. Anyway, when the Legends graded it was it

(45:53):
was a straight flush four out of four for Panina Penasty.
I can't really say that she didn't deserve the point.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
It's just everyone Danny works with looks good, exactly, and
I think it's sort of easy to play the big
person when you're the big person. And while Panina is new,
apparently she is actually related to the Tonguans and the
Samoan dynasty, so it's not like she hasn't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I just think that Danny deserved deserve well, she has
a point, But I sort of feel like she deserved
this point too, But I don't know. I can't argue
against Panasta because everything she did she did well. It
just wasn't much different than anything that she's ever done
any other week. I guess that doesn't matter. This task
was this time.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
It takes su to tango, and she had someone great
to go with her style. But you know, if we're
talking only about her, I think she was definitely the
good choice because she was a great heal. She made
sure to show a lot of persona while she was working.
She was also her pace was good. She was not

(47:01):
going too fast, and she would really every time like
Danny would would have something over. It's because she would
be distracted or Danny was just a little bit faster,
and because she would take time to pick her up,
and since she was slower at picking her up, Danny
was so like she's quicker, so she could roll her

(47:21):
up into something like it made sense. Like she played
the role of a heel perfectly. Her promo at the
beginning was great, so maybe she got some points for
that too. She stood tall. You know how I was
saying Bailey was not working her size or she like
the whole story was not like you cannot really feel

(47:43):
big versus small well in this one with Danny the
heel and the big person did everything right. But Danny
also like I completely agree that the two points should
have gone to this match. This match was like in
terms of level of experience and stuff like, it was flawless,

(48:04):
like for for those four people, like this is the
one that's like I don't have much to say because
everything like the Babyface was crying, it got sympathy from
the people, never gave up, always fired back, was never
was dead on the mat, not doing anything. She was moving, screaming, scratching. Yeah,

(48:25):
that match was like this is how it needs to
be done. And one of the things maybe why she
got the point over Danny the heel controls the flow
of the match, and the flow was perfect, so probably
why she got the point.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
That's why you're the that's why you're the expert commentator here. Yeah.
I mean, if you like were parachuted into whatever, davimpoort
Iowa whatever, and somehow you manage you've landed someplace, looked down,
had a ticket to an indie show. You walked in
and you didn't know anyone on the card, and you
saw this match, first of all, you would complain about.

(49:04):
Second of all, you would know exactly what the roles were,
and you would know exactly what the story was, and
you would know that you're supposed to root for the
little pretty girl and you're supposed to be the big monster.
And yeah, I agree, excellent execution. As far as the
memoir concerned, Michelle McCool voted for her guy, Anthony Luke,
but all the rest voted for Elijah. It didn't seem

(49:25):
like they were that enthusiastic about it. I mean, the
Taker was, which is weird because Bookers or Bubba's the
one who picked him, and Bookers like it doesn't even matter.
I know that he's always trying to stir something, but
it was nothing to stir up. I mean, he in
the he agreed. I mean, but you know we already
pointed out Elijah got the point. You know, I got

(49:48):
it deserved. If it went to Anthony A I wouldn't have,
you know, raised my eye very much. But I thought
Elijah deserved it, especially for being there, you know, four
or five months. That's I mean, he's on a man,
he's on his way.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I personally, I would have given my vote to Anthony
Luke for the fact that as a heel, like you mentioned,
he looks six foot eight, work very big, and the
fact that Elijah was not fighting back that really bothered me.
So at least I felt that Anthony Luke as the

(50:22):
heel was a little bit more complete besides the fact
where he turned his back, But that was the beginning
of the match and then it went well after that. Yeah,
the babyface not firing back and being down for so
long without nothing happening, that bothers me. So I need,

(50:42):
I need hope, I need I need something for my
underdog for me to cheer. I need to see him
like never give up, now, do you John Cena quote.
But I didn't feel that with Elijah, So yeah, I mean,
I understand why to give it to him, but I
felt Antony was more complete as a heel.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, when I see not that big a size difference.
I would have liked to have seen Anthony do more
heel tactics rather than happen like a poke in the
eye or a thumb to the larynx or something like
that to show why he got the up cratch scratch
the back right at the back something for sure, so

(51:24):
we end the week with Booker in the lead with three,
Taker and Bubba or tie with two, Michelle's on the
board with one, and this week the LFG folks on
social media they're already teasing what's happening next week. So
I don't know if they're trying to drum up interest
in the show. If they decide to, it's okay to
spoil certain things. There's something where they've got Danny wearing

(51:47):
a lucha door mask and apparently she must be playing
a heel and she pours water on Somer Sorel's mother,
who we saw in the arena full of you know,
forty two people sitting there and they put the camera
on her, so you knew something was going to happen.
But you know, I guess they want to drum more
eyes to the show. Also, going back to the Anthony thing,
is I don't think they're so worried about giving him

(52:08):
points because last year they sort of spoiled it when
when Undertaker brought Jasper, Troy shallow Hill and Anthony Luke
to NXT and had them confront Obey and say you're
the big dog now, but here's the future. So I
think I think those three guys already are signed to
NXT contracts. You know, maybe everybody else is competing, but

(52:28):
I think I think that they they've already got it,
you know, just just a very minor conspiracy theory in
the in the world of wrestling, which is built on
you know, minor conspiracy theory. So you know, but I
thought this episode was okay. You know, I think I
think it was exceptional. I don't know that we learned, well,
we always learn a little bit, I don't, you know.

(52:51):
I don't feel much different about anybody who watched. If anything,
you're more in support of Anthony Luke than I am,
because you're saying he worked like like a big like
like the Big Show, like a Kevin Nash kind of
cocky hill. I sort of. He was just a little
slow and plotting. And again maybe he was playing the
character he wanted to be as opposed to trying to

(53:11):
make the character is within him. And he is young.
But I don't know. I was far more impressed by
three of the women than I were by any of
the men. And then Elijah would be next on my
list for this week.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Anyhow well, I mean, you're you're not You're not wrong,
but the women did did good. That did good, very
good this week. And Elijah like definitely has a bright future.
He's so explosive, like once he gets that that fire
that I keep talking about, once he gets it, like definitely,

(53:48):
Like he reminds me a little bit of he's a
greener ron breaker, like out of nowhere, He's gonna go
from one to a thousand. So that's great for a babyface.
He just needs to learn when to use you know
that that out of nowhere speed. And I think he
needs a little bit more confidence. He's he's so new,

(54:09):
so I feel although he looks very confident, like I like,
I've I know, like for sure, he's like not sure
about what he's doing and questioning everything.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
They said it that I'll just say Undertaker said, I
can see him thinking. I could see him he's thinking
yeah too much. And they said he's stopping now, he's
realizing he's stopping now. It's like, it's it's amazing what
people like yourself an Undertaker can can sick. I mean,
I've watched wrestling as long as the Undertaker has not
as deeply in whatever, No, but there's still things that

(54:44):
you can see when you're in it and it's your life,
you know, and and all that. So it's just amazing.
I almost think that that Elijah was raised too well,
you know, I think he's I think.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
He's he's very polite, yet he's.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Too good a kid. He needs a little bit of
bj Ray infused into him, and j may not. Yeah, yeah,
and I don't. I don't think the reverse would work.
I don't think if you put a little bit of
Elijah would change Bjray enough it maybe just see maybe
just get rid of the stupid mustache. Very low on
the bj Ray to not much excepting me and do
she in the beginning. So I don't know, you know,

(55:21):
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I guess I guess we'll see next week because it's
gonna be for different people. I feel the flow of
the show is not really good because, yeah, we don't
they didn't come back on anything that happened last week,
so it's it's hard to keep interest. There's no like
cliff well, there was a cliffhanger, but we didn't happen answers.
We were like you mentioned it and then I remember

(55:45):
it's like, oh yeah, that's true. But otherwise, like why
would I tune in. I'm like, is it gonna be
four different people? And am I gonna know next week
or it's gonna be two weeks now. So there's no way,
Like I I blame cheer shots, of course, but there's
no way I'm gonna remember that's something happened two weeks ago.

(56:07):
I was like, when I'll watch it, as like, oh yeah, okay,
that's I'll remember now. And I mean it's because I
do this show with you that I'm really following what's
going on with FG. But regular wrestling fans that have
thousands of wrestling shows or oh my god, Summer Slam
is coming, you will have two nights of shows and

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then NXT and then they're smacked out before and then
there's wrong Monday. There's no way you're gonna remember what
happened at LFG. So they need to give us a
little bit more or the format needs to be different.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, listen, yeah, tough enough, they knew how to do
it in tough enough. They need a little bit of
total of divas, total bellas in the in the show
if they want this to appeal to anyone other than
wrestling fans. If they wanted to appeal to reality TV
competition TV. They need to have some continuity with the characters,
and that means continuity with the drama than necessarily which

(57:03):
matches are being what in what order. I don't know
how to fix it, but WWE has probably dozens of
people in creative and in production with experience that.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
That twenty writers.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah, exactly, So hopefully they listen. They should because I
think we're the only show that that does this exclusive podcast,
so they should at least care from us. I mean
mostly hear from you more than me. I don't know. Yeah,
what else can we say? Plug your stuff, tell them
where they can find and support you, and what's going
on in the world of Lafista.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
You can find me on x Atlufisto. It's Loafisto at
art and por wrestling. I was Instagram, Oh my god,
cheer shots and these book Lifisto, hisbook, dot com slash Lofisto,
and I think that's about it everything that concerns women's wrestling.
Sydy could follow us on our YouTube channel. We just

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posted like the full show from June twenty second. Next
show is September fourteen with the Mountain Vanessa Cravens six
foot one of pure power and oh yeah, you gotta
look for Vanessa craven She's awesome. She's a Shimmer alumni
as well as I am also former Shimmer Tag team

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champion with Tessa Blanchard back then. And yeah, follow us,
give us a like, subscribe and where can they find you?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Jeff, I'm wonder does lou Posto have her on a
channel or anything going on? Your cat?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
My cat which one a half six.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well I just named one Lupasto, So.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
They're on Instagram, Like, there's tons of pictures of my cat.
There's more pictures of my cats than anything wrestling. I
think now that I'm not.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
That sling well me and my turtle, right, So anyway, listen,
if you're listening to the show, there's a pretty good
chance you know where to find me. But if you're
here by accident, you're a fan of Lose and you're
checking it out, you can find me on the X
at Dough Underscore Evil or at icrisfel MD. And I
promote everything I do. I have a show called the
Garden of Thought, and there's basically three iterations of that.

(59:10):
Two out of three are similar to Rogan without the
celebrity brownness, complete embrace of conspiracy and success of course,
and one is where right now, it's The Gospel of Thomas,
where my partner co host is mister Thomas for Major
League Wrestling, and we talk to people in wrestling, but
oftentimes about non wrestling stuff. It was The Book of

(59:31):
Black with PJ. Black, who who is on Hiatus. Thomas
has gone on vacation in August, but I have some
guest co hosts lined up who will of course open
up the door for more guest guests. We have a
show in the pipeline or recorder with Leo Fox, who's
Bronze Star winner war veteran injured, former recovering addict. You've

(59:51):
probably seen him in CYN Controlling Your Narrative NWA a
few of the territories there and OVW and really good
conversation with him. So that's all on the Gospel. I'm
try the Garden of Thought feed and they're all on
the Wrestling Soup Network, and of course me and White
Chocolate though he's on hiatus also, So it's been me
and Don Reynolds and me and Marie Shadow's doing the

(01:00:14):
Evolve podcast. Show called The Dose of Chocolate on the
Wrestling Soup and Friend Doze feed. Yes it's separate from
the Wrestling Soup feed, but it is a wrestling soup production.
I tire myself out too, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Did you have so many things? Of course, follow the
Wrestling Sloop on Twitter and well Twitter x. They subscribe
to the channel. Also they have a Patreon subscribe. Wrestling
Soup always have great content with her friend Mish and
I mean, it's the wrestling soup You've been going for
what fifteen years now, goarness, that's the place to be

(01:00:51):
sixteen No, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
You too. Patreon you can buy merch all sorts of
cool stuff. So yeah, definitely thanks to the guys of
Wrestling Soup and putting us on the Big Boy feed.
So that's exciting. And I think I've talked enough.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
So we will see you next week on Boil Them
Friday and put him in a stew, the wrestling stew.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Such a better ending the mine