LEGENDS AND FUTURE GREATS REVIEW SHOW S2 EPISODE 6 (Wrestling Stew 7.30.25) w/ @Lufisto

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight on LFG, all the damn work. I'll put it
in with you, you fistos.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What can you do with this person who's new? So
they look good, you look good, and everybody's safe.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
As I'll put them in a black leather jacket, a
black eye Jeff Lippman.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It looked like she was too slow for school, but
she came out playing the hot mean girl.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
I look really good.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to our review of episode six LFG.
Boil them, fry them, put them in the stew like potatoes.
And this week it's all about change. Get out of
your comfort zone. And this week also always I'm with

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my friend, your buddy, your favorite lawyer, mister Jeff does Evil.
How are you, Jeff?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm good? How are you? How should week?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm tired. I'm so tired, but it's okay. I apologize
if you hear me on little sleep problems here and there,
but I'm good. I've watched this episode. This episode was
quite I liked. This episode actually went by fast, and
there's a few things that kind of bothered me, but

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we'll get to it at the end of this. Like
I said, this week, it's all about comfort zone. So
the stars of the week are our friend, a blow Job,
the paperboy BJ. We have also Chris Eiland, Panita, He's
Danny an So Mercerrell. These are the people that are
featured this week, and we again, well might talk about

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it right now. What happened again with our friend? This
is dumas. I have no idea we there's that's the
problem I think right now with it. There's no quintunity.
I can't I don't know what happened. Like if I
look at number five, then number six is completely different.
I still don't know what happened at the end of

(02:11):
episode number four, and I'm like, Okay, when are they
gonna go back to this? They leave us on a cliffhanger,
and still two episodes later, we have no answers.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. I mean
this is episode six and yeah, I had with four
asterisks any word on Tatiana. Yeah, question mark, question mark,
question mark. And you know, I'm not particularly invested in Tatiana,
but I am. I am invested in this because I
want to. I want to know more about this injury.
I want to know, you know, more, if more comes
out about it. I want to know if it was

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somebody's fault, it the show continuity. But it's not just that.
I mean, that's that's the big thing. That's that's the
giant hole. But what I had assumed is that while
they had the full roster of contestants, that we would
basically alternate weeks where we so each one. And that's
not the case. There's been like two or three weeks
without Harlem Lewis, There's been like two or three weeks

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without Zena doing anything. Obviously, Tatiana not being there changes
the dimensions of things, but they certainly don't care because
I'm pretty sure that we've seen Panina and Dannie three
weeks in a row, and I'm probably some others. So,
you know, nothing against the contestants themselves. This is about
how the show is cut up and what they decide

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to put together and put out there. Now, I don't
know the reasons for it, the production reasons for it.
Maybe it's because of where wrestlers, where they've advanced, these
these folks are very much, very different on their learning tree.
We learned last year that Drake Moreau had been in
the PC for two years before he got onto LFG.
So now he's probably there two and a half years,

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you know, for season two of LFG, which is much
different than you know, we've learned that some of the
people were there I think five months, and I think
that at at a certain point some of them was
there one month. So yeah, yeah, but I have another
But I mean listen that you know, Sean and everyone,
like you pointed out, it's for the future Greats to
step outside of their comfort zones, which seems a lot

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like the same challenge spoken differently three weeks in a row.
To me, there's little nuanced differences in the execution, which
is important, but they're making it seem like these are
big changes. And again for show continuity, I put some
of the other challenges in between so that it didn't
seem like one week you reverse being a face in

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the heel, one week you reverse doing whatever they say
to themselves like doing doing something completely different, and then
one doing something that doesn't come natural. I mean, you know,
only one of them had like an actual distinct idea
or instruction what to do, but they're all sort of
the same.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, I do agree. I mean they kind of work
it a little bit differently. Sometimes they talk about how
in tense the person is and then a babyface or heel.
This more is it's I guess this episode is more
of a melting pot of all these things together. Like
they asked PJ to be the old school firing babyface.

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They want Chris Islin to be mean and nasty. Na
is now a babyface and she's not P nasty anymore.
She's P nicely or nasty or something that I thought
it was kind of clever, yeah, I thought. And they
want Ace to be a you know, a very like nasty,
cheating heel. They want Danny wearing a Luca match be

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a Lucha door And when it comes to summer, it's
completely different, Like it's not even character oriented. They wanted
to cut a promo because apparently that's what she's struggling with.
She's not comfortable cutting promos, but you see, it's it's
it's all about pretty much character besides summer. So that

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that kind of like I was like, why, Like it's
it's it felt like it was different from everybody else.
I understand that it's the comfort zone aspect, but basically,
like it's exactly like you said, like they were talking
about babyface heel switching like was it last episode or

(06:19):
the other one, and then it's kind of the same
same thing again. So yeah, so that's what they're working on.
And yeah, I didn't get the I didn't get the
promo thing.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I thought that was a big cop out, like promos
usually are their own thing altogether. And you know, maybe
Michelle McCool letting her do that is a signed as
to why her team's in last place.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Maybe I'm just picking on her because I prefer Mickey James.
But you know what I do, I tend to start
with the negative because that's just me. Negative Norman. That's
what my mother called mes, like negative Norman.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
So this is not say the bad news to bring
the good news.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Exactly, I do want. But I really enjoyed this episode.
I thought that this was a great episode. It was
while they were these sort of these gaping holes and
things like that from continuity, I thought the episode itself
was entertaining as hell, and I thought all the matches
were fun for the most part, and I thought some
of the people absolutely killed it. So you know, before
we rolled into it, I just I didn't want to

(07:19):
let people know because everyone's like all they're going to
do is bitch and complain.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
No no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
We got we got some good stuff, actually, some very
good things that just before we get to the matches
that I thought were very interesting to hear.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Booker t says, sider language is going to tell me
a whole lot tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
You from a babyface, you from a heel body. Language
is going to tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
And that's something as a wrestler that you need to
tell yourself constantly. You can complain as a heel whatever,
but if your body doesn't scream I'm a heel, I mean,
I don't want you to like me, there's a problem.
Same thing for the babyface. You have. Two people have
to feel that you'll never give up that you have.

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They always talk about fire, fire, firefire, that that's the
most important thing from a baby face. For a babyface
to stand down, you gotta also work, you know, you
must get the pity from the crown. They must cheer
for you. They must they must like be behind you
for you to get up and fight back. So you

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gotta yeah, like look at me, I'm dying, Please help me,
and they will get behind you. And something else that
I really like that. Bubba said, I.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Still think your comfort zone for you is reserved and quiet,
and that's the last thing that I want to see
from you today. As of right now, you're still a
Vander Holyfield son when I'm.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Trying to be.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
After tonight's over, I want everybody to know who the
hell Elijah Holyfield is.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Wasn't so much about doing the opposite of what you're
comfortable with. I want to see more of what you're
uncomfortable with. I want tonight to be the night that
everybody is forced to notice you.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
He said. You gotta work together, like this is like
a dance. You can't go out there and do your
spot and not care about the other person. You gotta
make the other person look good for you to look good,
the match itself has to look good. If it means
that you're a super like experienced wrestler and you're wrestling

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with someone who has three moves, well guess what. You
don't go out there and do all your crazy moves
just because you want to do them. The other person
might not first take them. Well, it might look like
shit and somebody might get injured. So you work together
at making the match itself a good match. That's what matters.

(09:59):
You tell us story. Of course, we see Bubba ask
A's like, why don't you dye your hair? Is she
going to do it?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
He actually said to her, he said, you know, one
of your one of your complaints, so one of your
one of you know, your comments, was you don't want
to just be considered just another blonde. He's like, so,
why don't you think about dyeing your hair? And I mean,
we'll we'll get into that, but you know, spoiler, she did.
Michelle McCool we saw her spending some time with p
Nasty and basically telling her no raking up the eyes,

(10:31):
no pulling of the hair, don't use the room, you know. No,
she basically told her no cheating, which I thought was fun.
I mean, it's it's little stuff, but these are rookies
that need that. And Chris Island, who I constantly want
to write off, thinks to being a martial arts fighter
in this case is the way and he's been, you know,
one week he came out sort of as a boxer.

(10:51):
He normally comes out of sort of like a Greco
Roman wrestler, you know, and now he thinks it's martial
art and Bubba talking to Elijah Holyfields. It's like, you're
still a Vander Holyfield son. You don't be so reserved
and quirt. Don't be Evander's son anymore. And I'm not
going to.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Spoil what happens here because a lot happens, but I
have to. But I will spoil this part.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm a little confused, but I'm sure we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, he said, like, make sure people are forced to
notice you. Who the hell is Elijah Like most of
the time he's like reserved and quiet, but he wants
he wants him to kind of explode get out there,
and it's like, this is me. My name is Elijah Olifield.
I'm I'm more than just the son of So we'll

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see if he noticed if actually not if he noticed,
but if he if he the like does the job
when he goes out there. And last but not least
so Mersral the promo. They tell her to be vulnerable.
You gotta show pep that you do have real feelings,
and which is true. But here's the thing. When it's

(12:07):
a life promo, if it's too long, you'll lose people.
And that's something she'll have to work on. When we
get to that match, which which is right now, which
is like the first match of the episode, the Murcia
Ral versus Danny Sakowski, but she goes as the shooting
star for this one with her little lucha masks. The
first thing that I noticed is Summer coming out was smiling.

(12:31):
She had a better babyface entrance than usual usually, like
the last time I saw her trying babyface, she was
kind of in between. I was like, she kind of
still looks bitchy, but this time, like I like body language. Yes,
she was a babyface to me.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Cannot to go a little second because m M.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
But first thing is like I really enjoyed the part
where they were relaying to the judges what the challenges
were going to be. So they pointed out that Summer's
challenge was to cut a p and the Undertaker says
that's the that's her challenge, and then Boba's like what,
and you know, Booker says nothing, but you can always
read his body language tells everything, and Michelle goes, well,

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that's what she's not comfortable with. An Undertaker tried to Warner,
but Michelle, she's like, I'm not going to be mansplaining too.
Is basically she shut him down. And and but what
you just said was interesting because it's summer, and the
first time Summer comes out cocky and facie, and then
then they show her that mom is there and all

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of that. But I really couldn't tell her she was
a facer heel because she just came out looking cocky
and then the smile almost like, you know, almost like
the typical mean girl who remembers she's like, you know,
supposed to be running for prom queen a kind of thing.
So I didn't get that from the get and now
then she grabbed the mic and that's actually when they
were all like, oh, what's what's this. That's when the
judges had the interplay. But from there she cuts a promo.

(13:55):
I'll let you pick it up because I have thoughts
on the promo, but I'm sure yours are.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh go ahead, that's since you're talking like, I'll add
to it, like just to finish on what she looked like.
I of course she was not like top fire babyface,
but I just thought it was better from the last
time we saw her that at least she was smiling
this time. The last time she still had that resting
bitch face. Now, she had this smile, so I was like, Okay,

(14:19):
we're getting somewhere. But I mean something that's not natural
for her baby face, that's for sure. That's that's one
of the things.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, it's a little weird anyway she I mean, I
do want to touch on Danny. I mean her, the
Luca Mass they went with was a little colorful for
her heel. You know, she still came in with her
little moves, but she changed things up a little bit
the way she walked in, and she did like a
little extra you know, sort of rolled to the corner
after her superhero pose. I guess that's her idea of heally,
but but but she definitely changed things up. But basically

(14:50):
back to summer, she basically gave a biography and like
all it was missing was the was the little Eddie
Guerrero was my hero, you know, the standard.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I always wanted to do this and some of the
little Girl, but no one believed it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
The promo everyone does and I can't hear anymore.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
This was my dream.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Okay, we know it. Pretty much everybody who's who ends
up in WWE it was their dream too.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Like exactly, big shocker. And then then you know, just
coming off.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean, I know the timing wasn't necessarily purposeful, but
you know, they just gave a whole lot of indie
rest tryout during Summer Slam Week, including you know, my friend,
maybe yours too, the Big Trouble Ben Bishop, and some
others as well. I'm sure they had thirty people in there.
But one thing that she said, two things that were poignant.
I was terrified.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
I doubted myself so much, and I thought, even if
I got the opportunity to try out for the WWE,
there was no point because I wasn't good enough, they
wouldn't want me. But there's something that Michelle McCool always
says that's really stuck with me, and that is failure
isn't fatal. So now when I step into this ring,
I'm still but I've learned how to do it scared.

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And another big motivator for me is that my mom,
who's my best friend, is always in the front.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Road where's mare.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
A few years ago, my mom got diagnosed with cancer,
and there was a point in time where when she
first got diagnosed, I didn't know if she was going
to make it or not, let alone make it here
to watch me live out the biggest dream. So now
whoever steps through that curtain, it doesn't matter because I've
lived left all my fear behind it, and I'm doing

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that for her and for the girl that sat in
Stadom for so many years thinking that she would ever
be good enough.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Who she got me? You got me your job.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
One, she said.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Michelle mccoolb, being her coach, told her that failure isn't fatal.
That was a good line, pointed out. Okay, I mean
it's low hanging fruit, but it's true. She said that
her mother had cancer and fought through it, and you
know there were times that she wasn't sure that she
was going to live or die, and she'd have a
mom and now she's here seeing her in the LFG arena.
So while it was a color by numbers promo, and

(17:24):
I thought sort of a cop out and if your
challenges to do a promo, do something original, at least
she got to the heart of her heart, and it
was a heart. I had a giant question for you,
but I think that we both answer to being like,
is this what you think the challenge would be? We
both sort of said no, not really, But did her

(17:44):
promo change her mind at all?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Was she vulnerable?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Did did I get any pity for her? And and
you know wanted to rally behind her? Yes, this part worked.
The only thing is it was so long and a
little bit too like crying. It would have been a
good backstage promo or even a vignette telling, you know,

(18:09):
the story of Summer Currel. Why is she doing this?
What you know? Why is she? What's your goal? What
what inspires her? Her mom? That would be a great
vignette to present her as a talent, But it's not
something you do live. When you are doing a promo lite,
it needs to be short and sweet and needs to
get to the point. And as a babyface, you need

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to rally people and get the hype and bring that fire.
You want people to cheer and start clapping. It's like
right from the start, you know the famous boo boo boo,
all right, you want to you want to get that
from the start, so the heel right away can go
shut up, stop clapping, and then you have them even
before the ring bell like the bell rings. But like

(18:54):
I said, this was a good vignette promo, but not
not something you want to do before match.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
This should have been like an introduction thing. Yeah, and
I know that this was the only chance. But there's
coach that she should have been doing like a Tommy Wildfire.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Rich.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Somebody says something about fired up.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'll tell you why I'm fired up.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
No one believes. I mean, my mother almost died. I
had to work my way and make sure that she
was lying together.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, yeah that you know that that you know
that that excitement of prouping, proving people wrong and doing
it for her mom. She's she's right here right now,
and she wants to show her that you know, her daughter,
like it is gonna make it or whatever. Like it
needs to be fired up, not like because like you
don't want to get you want people to clap. You

(19:43):
don't want them to, you know, reach for a tissue
or something and cry before match. You want you want
to get. Yeah, rapled up so.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Good and pro and the Schmoe are on the same
page about this. Yeah, prose version, you're the pro.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Speaking of promo, the little promo Danny cut backstage was
like I said, short and sweet. We could tell she's
a heel.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
She needed she said everything she needed to say. Oh good, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
But it's got a sob story. She comes in as
the shooting stuff. She's she's working Danny's leg like she's
freaking Dennis Condrey instead of Lucha door. She says, she's
showing high mom from the ring. She's she's working the
whole thing. And my god, this is she takes Mama
Cerell's water from her, takes a sip on it, and
then throws it on her like MJ after the look.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
In the crowd with tequila. I mean, the judges were popping,
and then she's jaw jacking with Mom. I mean, and
then summer obviously this has worked, you know, they it
was she comes in and she she makes it. This
was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
She she did a great job as a heel. You know,
it's one thing I will say, if you're a professional
wrestler or you're indie wrestler and the water thing, unless
it's somebody that you plan it in the crowd, do
not do not touch someone from the crowd. Do not
grab the water. I mean, if you grab a beer,

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take a sip and then give it back and don't
throw it. That's like, that's cool, but try to avoid
that because you never know who's in front of you.
Is it someone that's gonna snap? Is it someone who's
gonna punch you? Right right? You gotta be careful with that.
It works and most of the fans are like cool
because they're you know, it's all about being involved in

(21:37):
the show. So but yeah, make sure just be careful.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
With that in disguise as water.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, and and if you like the high mom thing
was great, but it was like I mom, Like you
can really hear it. If you're a heal and you're
gonna do something like that, make sure you're in control
of the match. Let's say you have an arm bar
and the baby face is on the ground, like you
you're on top of the baby face like twisting the

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arm and you're in control, and then you know baby
face is crying, baby face is suffering. Then you look
up and say hi mom. You'll have so much more
like of a reaction than just like throwing it out
there just before the lock up or whatever. Like if
you if you're gonna say something to the crowd, make

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sure it's loud enough so everybody understands it so they
can react. And make sure you are in control as
a heel. When I talk about the little things you
do between the moves. That's one of the things you
could do. One thing that bothered me is they were
outside for so long. I'm sorry, the ten count would
have been like roll in, roll out, break the count,
argue with the referee something. I just thought it was

(22:50):
so long.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
And the happened in two matches and.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
There was a third, so three out of four matches
they were strange, refece free decisions m exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
And like you said, like Lucca, I was expecting maybe
a little bit more rolls, a little bit more flipping
kind of thing. And don't forget if you're a heel
and you do fancy stuff, you must hack very cocky
Shawn Michael, great example or any like Look look at
the eel luches like they're gonna do something flippy and
then arms up and you know, kissing, send like kisses

(23:28):
to the crowd or whatever. They'll do something to piss
off people right after because they're so cocky and they're
so like I'm better than you kind of the tune.
So that's something you have to remember as a heel. Yeah,
the thing outside was too long, and she did use
the El Grande El Americano gimmick, but she she didn't

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show it to the crowd. When you use something like
a weapon, make sure the referee doesn't see it, but
everybody in the crowd sees it so they can go, hey,
come on, ref looks what's going on? Because she she
grabbed it so quick. I had to rewise, like what happened? Right?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, I saw her because the judges were saying that
the coding her mask because she didn't do a loaded mask.
But just I don't know, I agree with everything you're saying,
but it was so different and so surreal that even
it's imperfect, just the effort, I just I just thought
it was so creative and it seemed natural, like if

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you're not a luchendor, but pretending you're a luchador, you
would wrestle maybe like Dennis Condrie. Yeah you didn't even
you didn't even wrestle like Bobby Eating or Chad Gable
as I mean, she didn't even wrestle like Danny. So
it was a little bit incongruous, but I loved it.
And and by the way she she did a she
had a basically a flying headbutt for the wind. So

(24:48):
after all of that and then she blows aciss some
mother after all the heel work and spilling mom water
on cancer mom, and and and she wins by cheating.
And I know that's the way it was booked her
a or that's the way they decided, but I imperfect
or not. I freaking loved it. And Chef's kiss to
both girls women.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, that was a great match that. I mean, the
heel controls the pace, and I think Danny did a
great job. She's definitely a standout for me in this season.
The flying head butt though it kind of looked like
a flying form like it was not like I think
it needed to be more. I feel she she didn't

(25:31):
hit target, like she kind of hit the It should
have been like a real big head butt or something
as clear as they like always make things very clear.
So yeah, that's one other thing, like I had to
rewind and look is like she didn't really hit her
on the head whatever. And Summer was not selling at
the end much like maybe she was selling more or

(25:55):
shoulder because like I saw, I felt like she didn't
Danny didn't like hit the head more of the shoulder
kind of area, So I mean the selling kind of
made sense. But since they were like so big on
she she had something in her mask. Whatever, it's like,
you have to stay down like you've been hit like

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the head.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, like that's what she was selling as far
as I could tell from my untrained eye, because I
was insulted feelings like that. She was upset that, like
her mom got disrespected and she couldn't do anything about it.
So while that's a good part of the story, she
should have been also grabbing her head and going.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
On, oh yeah, grab your head, hold on, hold on
to the to the part, to the body part that hurts.
If you, I always say, if you, if they can't
hear you, you got to show them, and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
So honor that the.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Refs would always bring in a bag of ice after
every match, like this would have been a great time
for the ref to bring a back and then she
could sell her face. But you know, I know it's
not ring of honor and all that, but still, you know,
these are things that I would have hopefully thought of then,
but I thought of while watching it to to to
make it better. But yeah, but I would say both

(27:10):
of these women, despite I'm not exactly thrilled with the
use of the challenge for Sorel with the choices that
were made, I thought it was a whole lot of fun.
But all of your all of your criticisms are absolutely valid.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I just I just enjoyed the whole thing. It was
just so unexpected.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
M Yeah, so yeah, great, great job from both girls
and especially Danny. You know, standing out as a heel
even with a mask.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And you know, even if she's so small, she's so
intense that you believe her. I I can believe she
can kick someone's ass because she is so intense and
she swings those little arms like all the way back
to the front, and she puts all her weight behind
each hit, So it makes sense. It's it doesn't matter

(27:59):
to me that she's smaller, because like she puts in
the work behind every hit.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, big big Danny fan here also and listen to
There are people that I want to write off, and
they're not letting me. Some of them didn't let me
last year and won me over. Some of them aren't
letting me this year. The only people I've written off
so far are is the woman we haven't seen for
three weeks, and maybe that's fair, maybe it's not. And
someone else that we haven't talked about yet, but I

(28:27):
think we're about to.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Chris Island and our friend bj Ray. Chris Island very
good promo as a heel. I felt he had so
much more confidence as a babyface. He's a heel, definitely.
I feel that's the way he needs to go. There's
still work to do, but I felt like there was

(28:51):
like something more as him speaking as a heel. He
had more of a Brazilian jiu jitsu kind of looked
this time, where bring a white belt? I don't know
why you would do that. My daughter has a higher
degree of belt than he does.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
My five year old has has at least four stripes
on our white belt.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, so I thought that was that was fun. His entrance,
same thing, looked much more confidence would looked. It looked
more realistic. It felt real like more than usual because.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
He came Steve Blackman. He came out just yeah. And
I'm sure people when they heard this were thinking, Chris
Island is the one that you're running up.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
No, he's not letting me ride off. So I've spoiled
what it is. But I'm going to let you finish already.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Just I'll just finish with the Bejay's entrance, which was
a very baby face entrance. See he had fire like
and I like also how the match started. It was
a nice heal start and again more aggressive, more personality
from from Island. So yeah, I don't know what you
thought about the entrance. In the beginning of the match.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Bj Ray, he jumped into the crowd for them to
But he does that when he's a heel too.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
He's exactly the.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Way he hops around like when he's a heel. It's like,
I'm such a I'm so great. I don't I don't
care what anyone pays attention to. But he only has
one character. It's it's no different. He was dressed the same,
it's and.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Like the judges are popping for it all.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
He went into the crowd and did like the Lambeau leap,
big deal.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
He always does this. It's always the same. Why are
they pretend WWE loves people like this, They love Grayson Waller.
They already have Logan Paul and and for all the
things they're discussing now, Logan Paul, he's really freaking good
at wrestling and so and he.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Shows did you want to punch him? Like literally?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, but how many of those guys you need. You
got Ethan Page in the next He's perfect. So you know,
I don't know, I just I just don't. I know
that you always need more and some people get hurt,
and I'm just not sure that this guy isn't anyway.
He the restling match was fine, as you said, but
but at some point, DJ Ray, you can just tell
he stinks at certain things like punches. He's and then

(31:19):
his his finisher was a borderline fourth grader's version of
a people's elbow in slow motion. And then when he
does the two passes running the ropes, he stops, changes directions,
does two more, then changes directions again, and then those
the worst people's elbow I've ever seen. I mean, the
people's elbow is sort of a mockery of a finish

(31:39):
to begin with, but it was supposed to be. This
was a mockery of a mockery of a mockery of
a parody. And the judges were like their eyes were
popping out of their heads. For Undertaker, that's saying something
because his eyes always are already popping out of his eye,
and like Booker's like saying, I had to you know,
or whoever Bubba told him, I told him to run
the ropes twice or bubb and book and Book must

(32:01):
have aged it. He's like, I don't only run them twice,
just twice, not twice and change. And then Island did
a roll up, so he got the win. So at
least the shitty finisher wasn't a finisher, but Island it
looked like he was trying to pull the.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Tights but he didn't quite get to them. I didn't
really care because.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I didn't even see it. I feel like he did
not hold the types from what the judges were saying,
he was supposed to, but I couldn't see anything. And
like you said, oh my god, like DJ's running the
rope so slowly, like he's lazy. And in this match
it showed like he had bits of fire here and there,

(32:41):
but not even close to whatever you need as a babyface.
He wasn't working towards the crowd too. You need when
you're a babyface. It's cool to say yeah, but when
you say yeah, you need to look at the crowd
when you do it, so they feel like they want
to scream it back at you and cheer for you.
That was not how I'll give him. I'll give him that.

(33:02):
What I really liked is that he used that a
wrestling takedown because he's a wrestler. I don't know why
he's not putting more wrestling stuff into like remove those
shorts and had more like look at Kurt Angele, for
Christ's sake, look at him, like model yourself on him.
You're a wrestler, You're a damn wrestler. But the thing
is he has the problem that so many wrestlers have.

(33:25):
Whether you're in it, usually when you get up there,
you don't see that problem. But a lot of people
you'll see that on the innies. They just want to
be loved. They just want to be cheered. They just
want to be popular, so they get like more people
on their social media accounts and joining their Patreon and

(33:46):
their only fan So whether they're heel or face, they
just want to be loved and get those subscribers. So
they're doing the job halfway. Whether the babyface is a heel.
As a heel, you must behaved babyface, you must be
loved and bring energy. So these people they're they're like
easy to see. They're always a little bit in between.

(34:09):
They don't give you exactly what you need. They give
it to you. You know, they a little bit. It's
not completely bad, but it's not up there where it's
you know, supposed to be. And that's what I feel
about BJ. Every time I see him Brussel, I'm like,
they kept him for so long. Like I said, he

(34:29):
was in the other tryout show that I've watched that, Like,
I think I've watched that show within less than a
week because I was following one of my surgery. So
I was just laying it's been both watching that Roku
show with WW and BJ was in there and I
don't see anything new. I was like, sometimes I wonder

(34:52):
why do they spend so much time and money on
certain people hoping something's gonna happen. But then after two years,
I'm like, I don't know. Man, Like send him on
the indies, let him grow, let him figure it out
by himself, and then maybe you know, keep his number,
call him back if you feel he's done something. This

(35:14):
guy needs to go in the indies. He needs to
go like to GCW any smaller indies. He needs to work.
He needs to work. How to you know, work with
a crowd. And because right now, big time it's a
no no for me. No through the smash was.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like no, listen, I would I would sign him up
to the Endeavor Talent Agency and I would get him
on things like on American Gladiators because some people want
to see him hit with it. I put him on
shows like Jackass. I will put him on that show
that John Cena host.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
His name what would be his name on American like Asshole?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, well he'd be a contestant the Gladiators, so he
could use whatever his real name is or bj Ray
for all I care. But I want to see him
on Jackass. I want to see him on that wipeout
show where he's like, you know, trying to jump onto
giant rubber balls and not be hit by your pendulums
and fall into the water. I mean, you know things
where like you know, you know, bar Rescue where somebody

(36:11):
smushes pie into a space because.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
He screws things up.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's diurdy like he can be.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He can be one of those reality TVs like the
situation who for you know, twenty years to stay and
then and then like you know, banks on that and
yet and maybe one day becomes a wrestler too.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
But like you, I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I do see a TV personality. I just don't see
a professional wrestler.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
No same thing like I see, like you don't want.
I think he would be our great manager. Like put
him a racket in hand, like a Jim Cornett, Like
he screams and like he's annoying around the ring. It's
been a while since we had a manager.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Like this, even even more douche She make it a
pickleball thing, you know, yeah, you know all the people do.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's very popular these days.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
So right right now, like those VR apple glasses all
the time. So he's taking calls, but you can't even
tell he's taking a call.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
He's just past like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Paul I meant back in the day with his huge telephone.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
But it's like updated with the pickleball thing and whatever
the douchey trend is of the moment that that's what
that's what he should be doing and using.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
And then I think it would be great at it.
He would be a great manager, I'm sure, because he
can cut promos as well. So give him a guy
that doesn't talk too good, and you know he he
could like go out there with a monster and let's say,
like Arlem Lewis, and he's the one like wehla like
and hides behind him when somebody wants to punch him.

(37:41):
That's something that would be great for BJA. It's not
that he's not that he cannot be like a personality
in wrestling, but as a wrestler itself. Like, no, after
what three years since the first show I saw, Like,
I don't know how long it's been. I don't even
know if it's been three years.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Maybe I'm too much, but it's been too.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, I see him. I see a Jim Cornet kind
of douchey manager with him that could work, like Johnny Polo,
Here you go, here you go. We don't have managers
like that anymore. Like there's Paul Ayman and that's about it.
Like I think it's a lost heart like everybody, Nadiens
and the Slicks and even the ladies like Miss Elizabeth

(38:26):
and Sherry Martel. Like that's one thing I really like
about Scarlett these days. She reminds me of scary Sherry
a lot. I was like, yeah, bring bring that back,
Like bring that back then. We need managers. They had
so much when it's done right, Like, yeah, bj be
a manager.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Like I know we want to straight too much. But
Chase University the dead dog. Those guys in I know
one of them is Regal's other kid, but so what
Like Andre Chase is never gonna be professor to wrestled,
but he'd be a great manager. He can take bumps,
he can occasionally be in a match and just call
him coach and put him in like then have him
a whistle, so he's really annoying. You have a whistle

(39:04):
and he has a clipboard and he bangs people over
with the clipboard. I mean, it's so easy and it's
and it's right there. So I agree one hundred percent.
I thank god they brought back Canna James doing sort
of the York Foundation thing where you know, she's the
business woman representing them, and I let her actually go
full full business y you know, Wheeler Dealer and making
deals with you know, Hayman and and you know whoever,

(39:27):
you know, whoever the the you know, getting the upper
hand on general managers because they didn't read fine print.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
We're giving them too many free ideas, I believe right now.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Hell you know, and if you're not getting you're right,
If they start listening, then then then we'll stop. But
you know what they should because I think we're that
they're we're the only podcast covering LFG. And I also
think that those of all the only podcast covering of all,
so they should return a little love to us.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I think.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Speaking of love yes as Jamison versus P Nasty, I
love love, love, love, love love Ace Jamison. In that match,
she had a great promo. I liked that she was
hiding her hair under the hoodie first for that promo,

(40:15):
and she went out and said, like, people, you smell bad.
I could smell you from here. See she was talking
directly to them, like right from and it was loud
enough for everybody to hear, you know, compared to what
I was saying with the Danny situation with the mom.
She went out there and got it like right away,

(40:36):
they really think I'm scared of a giant smelly baby.
No P nasty or like pe you nasty? How about
you come get your issue and while you're at it,
maybe some deodorant.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
You keep saying, I'm just another.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Blonde, you bone, She bon all these problem blondes.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well, guess what stinkerbell blondes? John, and so is my
tolerance for week girls playing badass heels. I see right
through your books acting after him through with you, so
will everyone else. Right from the starge, You're like, she's
the heel. I want to push her, that little rath, Like.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Who was this girl?

Speaker 5 (41:31):
She?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
You know, she had the small voice. We weren't sure
who she was. She was eating wrestling. She seemed a
little timid.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I mean, I don't know if that was acting or
this was acting, but this was fantastic. I mean, she's
calling me Nasty smelly. She's not just another blonde. She's
not even blonde. She's gonna oppose Nasty as a fake
tough girl. She comes out.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Wild, but not like uncontrol.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
What like that first time when she looked like she
was in a moshpit, out of control.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
She's selling the crowd.

Speaker 8 (41:59):
They smell bad.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I don't know what this character is doing. P Nasty
comes out smiling and picktels and that's ry.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
P Nisty was fine and she as usual, she did
everything right. But Hayes Jamison was going full Chelsea Green
on staries.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
She She's like, no, look at her, she's shooting. I'm
not fighting her. I'm not kidding that.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
It's not going I don't have to.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I didn't lick and shit heal eel should always be
scared of the babyface whoever's standing in front, like not
not necessarily, Like I mean if you're Drew McIntyre and
you're like six seven, like I get it, you might
not run away from somebody, but even him, Like when

(42:40):
somebody's like you want to Commondvice, like nope, body, he's
gonna leave. Always. You know, you have to get away
from those situations when you're here, either by being really
scared being a chicken shit, or you're like, no, I'm
not fighting you like I don't have any time to
lose whatever, whatever you give a reason you're you're not

(43:00):
the one, like you know, looking like the one who
wants to fight and wants to challenge people and beat
people and stuff like you're there's a purpose behind everything
you do as a heel. So oh yeah, she was
like a big mouth. She had great facial expressions like

(43:21):
what I love about Panina. She work the crowd. She
looked at them. She like extend her hand to the
crowd for them to say, come with me on this ride,
let's do this together. That is very baby face. This
is something you need to do. People in the crowd
need to be you know, like I said, like on

(43:44):
on the ride, which you they're in a smatch with you.
They're not fighting, but they're behind you and they they
have they they're holding your hand through this this battle,
and I felt she was definitely giving that. It's like
I saw her as a baby face. The only thing
I was not too fond of is like it was

(44:05):
really hoping that she would have a different gear, same
gears like I would. I wish she had something different,
maybe a little bit more colorful, you know, because piggy
tails are cool like their baby face like, but you
need to you don't have biggie tails to just have

(44:26):
piggy tails, like, have something that matches.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Girl like she's like her kimmick, isn't I'm a little girl.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
So I mean it was, but as a babyface, it
could be. It could be that she's that big, massive woman,
but she's sweet and she's likes cute things and she's
like bubbly. That could work, there's a way to sell it.
But just the piggy tails. No, you need the gear
that matches the idea as well. So that that's one

(44:54):
thing like I would have changed. One thing I've noticed also,
and it happens like I I've mentioned it before. Every
time they do all lock up with a push, the
person who takes the bump just rolls. Take the freaking
bump and sell it like you've been hit by a

(45:15):
fucking train. Like they just roll and they're like, oh no, no.
It was like you gotta go, like, oh my god,
what was that. Take that bump, you know, belly flat,
like the roll back on your belly like a fish,
Like do something to sell how strong your opponent is.
If you just roll, it's like, eh, no, make sure

(45:38):
take that bump with a nice bang like a sound.
So it's something I see like every time they do
the bigger person push pushes the small person and they
just roll back.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
It's like, uh, sort of did the same thing at
the end during the finish or sheet the coach saying
stay down, stay down, you gotta sell it. I mean, listen,
that's important, and that's fine tuning. But I just I
mean she got pulled in by her hair because she
was trying to evade a match. At some point, p
Nicsty tries to go for a moon salt off the

(46:10):
second rope, which was good. You know, the coaches were
going crazy, and then Hayes did a nutshot, which I
think Booker said, is that tube shot or something, and
they're like it's like, it's like, I don't know. The
whole thing was tons of fun, and Lake Jamison is
running over allway and she's trying to evade p Nasty
or not p Nicsty, and but she, you know, at

(46:31):
some point she runs back in the ring and then
she does like the chicken ship baby, you know, heel
thing where she.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Is running the ring.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It looks like she's going to run to try to
escape from the outside, but she turns around because she's
gonna try and kick you or whatever hit you when
you come into the ring. But instead she runs right
into a spear. Once again, p Nicety a better spear
than jay Us. And that was when And yes, Hayes
did forget to sell that she was injured after and

(46:59):
that she.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Was not out.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
But I did not know who this woman was. I
knew exactly p Nicety was. I thought, you know, I
feel like p Nicety or if there's if there's like
ten points to be scored on every event, I think
p Nicety starts with four before anything even starts. I
just feel like this, this is, this thing is so

(47:21):
fixed for her. And she's not the only one. There's
a couple of other people who I think are getting
extra points and you know, before doing anything.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
But I don't know. We'll talk a little bit more
where the when the judges talk.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I think I think the listeners, especially if they watched
the show, probably know where I'm going to go with this.
But I love the hell out of this. But I
but I love the hell out of this one hundred
percent because of Hayes Jameson.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Not there doesn't take.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Two to the tango. It absolutely does, so not one
hundred percent, but eighty percent was j J. Hayes Jamison
and her character work, which was so unexpected.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I mean, in the ring, it's it's fifty to fifty.
Of course.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well here's the thing the more, how can I explain
that the heel, if the heel does a great job
at being hated, the babyface has almost like nothing to
do to get the people behind. If the heel is
so annoying, people will automatically be behind you. It's it

(48:21):
happened with Danny, It's happening with A's why did Panina
did no such a great job. Why did Summer Sorell
do a good job? It's because the heels were so
strong that they didn't have to do much. Yes, and
most of the matches will say it's fifty to fifty,

(48:42):
but when it comes to attitude and get the crowd
either behind or against you, a heel sometimes will do
eighty percent of the work because the babyface has there's nothing.
If they have good fire and they look at the
crowd and they you know, they can get a little
bit clapping and whatever, like the heel most of the

(49:02):
time will start them from being so good at being hated.
So that's something that definitely happened in this match. The
only difference is that Panina was so much better as
a babyface if we compare us a row, because she
was looking at the crowds, she was screaming at the crowds,
she was talking to them, she was selling screaming to

(49:24):
get you know, sympathy, and also a's what I really
like being smaller and more of a cheating, conniving heel.
She cheated every time she she got the over on
the match. It was the only way she could get
over on somebody who was so much bigger and powerful,
so that makes sense. Even when she was and one
big move she was out, she was complaining while selling,

(49:49):
so that was great. But at the end, yes, she
should have shown no pain, more pain and even maybe
wait for the referee to pick her up, like help me,
help me, and then someone gets her because she can't
get up. That's little things I would added. But overall, yeah,
that was that was a great hill baby match. Definitely
both women like really look great in that match and

(50:12):
definitely did their job of changing attitude, getting out of
their comfort zone Panina being a heel and A's being
the you know, little happy baby. Definitely for now, Like
we know that A's is a heel. If they want
to push her, you know, that's the way to go
because it brought something out of her that we didn't

(50:35):
see before and it looks so natural. There's money there, definitely.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, And if she can't end up being a fully
fledged wrestler, she could also be a manager with that
exact personality.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
M the chaos that she could cause.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I mean, like Jimmy Hart used to run around and
run run around and the face is chasing him around
and then they go into the ring and they run
straight into John Tentho something you know that could.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Work with her. Yeah, I see her going in the ring,
like crawling between the legs of the wrestlers. Yeah, the
one like who big clothesline or something. Absolutely, And then
we are at the main event of this show, which
is featuring Drake Moreau as a babyface ish Yeah, baby face,

(51:22):
I would say, and Elijah holy Feel as one big
intense machine that either as a healer baby you know
you he's he's kind of a rock listener ish like
you just like to see him like destroy people, heal
her face.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
I know you're not allowed to say his name anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
But are they mentioned him on the They do mention
him on TV and they they I think it's Paul
Ahman two weeks ago was talking about the Beast at Cards.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
And I'm not talking about him.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
The person that I compare Elijah Holyfield two when he
came out because of his size is Chris ben Wah, who, yeah,
is a smaller version of rock lesnar.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
Know.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
He just he just looks like he's barely contained menace.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
And I was going to say he's like ready to kill,
but that's that. Yeah. Yeah, But with Crispin w like
not the right choice of words. I would say he
looks just the.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Closest comparison someone else can find. I know, out five nine,
but two thirty five of solid muscle.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
It is, it is, It is a brawler wrestler.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Let me know who they are, because the only one
I can think of is Ronnie Garvin and Ronnie Govern
and come out intense like that.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Ronnie Govern never felt scary just by looking at him.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
So we had a good.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Pramo from Aliphil and Drake to me this time, like
he has that baby face song but has a like
we've seen him mostly as a heel. Now who was
more cheery? I think the song was more you know,
fit better with him being the baby face. But I
really liked about the match. They had a good strong

(53:12):
lock up, so right from the beginning you know that
you know these guys are the real deal. This is
going to be a fight. And just from that one
move like the lockup is so important, gets your lockup right,
They went into a good simple chain wrestling. I would have,
you know, do the channel a little bit slower just
so we could see better what they were doing. But

(53:34):
besides that, I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
There was a good tackle with the heel being pissed
that he's the one who took the fall, which you
know is simple stuff but always works. And then think
anything from the entrance or beginning of the match that
you noticed, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Mean, well, I agree with you that they both were
bringing the intensity right from the beginning, which is what
they were told to do. And yeah, Drake came in
as a face, but he sort of got right away,
which was a good transition, which I wasn't necessarily expecting.
He's another one that I've been wanting to ride off
but but can't. And for the first time, I don't
know if it was the camera work or the Elijah
smaller and I think, but Drake.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Moreau actually looked huge here.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
He actually looked like not just a big guy, but
he looked like a big man, a big wrestler. And
and you know that that was that was It was
a good visual. But yeah, aside from that, now, let's
let's get straight into the match, because I know that
you're gonna have a lot to say about it, and
so am I and and I have questions for you.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
One thing that I like is that one part they
went there was arough break and right away like the
heel hit the baby face and went into the heat
like he pretended to the like broke broke whatever hole
was doing in the ropes. Okay, listens to the ref
but right away boom, that's so elish and then starts

(54:56):
the heat. It worked great, and they went like kind
of real fast to the finish, but the heel was
so overconfident that it got him, like all it needed
was a distraction by the referee who was talking to
him and then voop one, two, three, And that's a
good way to start a feud where one of them,

(55:19):
especially the heel, gets like pissed because he's got beat
so fast, but because of you know, his own actions.
And then they went into that huge rawl.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Can we take a break?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Can we take a second and just cover them and
then do the aftermath, because it's like it almost like
two entirely different things.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So I agree so much.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I mean, first of all, Holyfield did the two gut
shots and he must have listened to you because they
were great. And then the and he was and then
he was doing a whole series of punches and the
referee intervened and holy Field basically ran around him and
delivered an awesome shoulder tackle while Moroe was sort of
prone but standing in the corner, so was a standing
shoulder almost like pounds but there was nowhere to pounce

(56:03):
to because he's in the corner. And that was so effective.
Then the ref intervened again and Elijah Holyfield was staring
the ref down and then Drake took advantage with a
small package. But I only saw the ref count to
two and kick out and then the ref ran out,
So it's almost like it was like the ref was

(56:23):
afraid of Elijah was trying to teach him a lesson,
but they want to stick around to get his come up,
and the judges didn't know what was going and they're
like they're yelling, what was that? What was that?

Speaker 7 (56:32):
And was that? This?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Was that the story? Or did I miss it?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You know, because I mean normally the ref goes down
so you hear boom, but then the count is his hand.
His hand only went down twice.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
It was it was a two.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
So if that was a story to start a feud
on a wrestling show, fantastic, But if he was trying
to actually teach Elijah Holyfield a lesson, that that's not
how we do it here, kid, or at least not
at this stage.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah, then I don't know if that's the ref's place
or not. I really don't.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
But no, it didn't seem like the judges were expecting anything.
So that's part one and then we have the brawl.
But I like, tell me what you think happened in
part one and then then we'll go straight to afterwards,
because they it seemed like it was part of the
story I was outlining and planned, but they made it
seem like it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Well, the referee I didn't question because I I was like,
maybe it's the camera because maybe he went down and
kind of the same time went one, So I was like,
maybe that's what happens. Maybe it's editing. So I didn't
question that too much because I thought like, Okay, so
maybe the story is you know, the over confident heal

(57:44):
and you know that that gets the better of him.
Blah blah blah. I thought some of the shots might
have been a little stiff. I was really questioning, like
I was like, ah, like I hear that that, you know,
real shots or both of them. But Elijah a little

(58:06):
bit more, and I feel I could see Drake getting mad,
like slowly like getting there. I was like, I think
he's maybe laying him it in a little bit too much.
But I wasn't sure because again, is it editing as
it would But I was like the when you hear
the shots, when you look at them and and you
look at the face of Drake, You're like, I'm I

(58:30):
feel these shots are not like completely worked. So yeah,
it's like he's he's maybe he's a little bit stiff,
like it's it's it's hard to go from boxing to wrestling,
and maybe he's just like a little bit too much
in there.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
The first people that came out, so after the the
skill of the win and the Rep Boogie's out, Elijah Hollowfield,
you know, basically goes for a takedown and Drake and
bro and it's it's a brawl, but it's a wrestling brawl.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
No one's actually hitting each other.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
They're just sort of you know, which could also be
a real fight, because no really hits each other in
a real fight too.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, but here's the thing that I've noticed. Why did
the babyface who won the match do the takedown on
the heel that to me didn't make sense. And that's
why I was like, maybe like those shots were a
little too stiff and he got pissed and then like
he's like fuck it, and then he grabbed him, because

(59:24):
otherwise it doesn't make sense, especially if the babyface won
the match on top of it that he jumps on
the heel and like tackles him down. It was just
and that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well that you're you're right, it is weird that Drake
Morrow after the win. He's the one who would do it.
So yeah, there was probably something to that. But then
it's because the first people run out other refs. Now
obviously in storyline, the refs come out for US then security.
But like, but these guys aren't real security either, or.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Maybe they are. I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I mean I recognize them. I recognize them from Evolve
and and and you know it's not like you know,
you know in AW where you got the two security
guys or the ECW security guys who still do that
you know stuff for MLW. You know a difference between
them and the wrestlers. But it was so it was
you know, talent security, it was refs and whatever coming

(01:00:13):
out and like Drake Moreau like goes out and does
a splash and the security catch him. So like that
seems like something that's choreographed. So the whole thing, you know,
seem like a work to me. But then they're acting
like a shoot and Elijah's acting like he's the one
that's angry. But what you just said makes one hundred
percent of sense. But it seems like Drake was angry.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
That's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
They're both angry. It's just that Drake, you know, acted
first on it, but Elijah's acting like he was wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
And I don't know, I I mean, yeah, some of
it looks stiff, but they were told to be stiff.
And yeah, I didn't see anything particularly unusual except for
the refs count and the rest of it just seemed
like choreographed to me. But the emotions seem to be
really I mean, they settled it down undertake a said

(01:01:02):
to you know, you know, to I guess you talked
to Drake. He's like, listen, I'm not mad about the
intensity though, and and you know, and and Bubbo, you know, when.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Immediate it was a hell fg chant for the first time,
and people like in the crowd really got into it,
so I mean to start a feud. Like I myself
as a fan, was like, oh yeah, I want to
see this. This is great, Like I I want more
of this, Like I just got like a little peak.
The match was quick, and then they get into this
big fight. Like I said, big Life's way to start

(01:01:29):
a feud easy, simple to understand. It's just that the
way they sold it after I again, I understand for
TV reality purposes that makes sense. But you know what's sad, Well,
probably not know next week what's going on. We'll get
to for other like eight other contestants that we didn't

(01:01:53):
see for the last two episodes, and we're like, what
happened with like enjoy we'll know in three episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Probably they hugged it out, don't worry, they hugged it out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, yeah, they hugged it out. I thought, Actually, Elijah
had a great attitude about it. It's like, hey, you
know what happens. And then the crowd was into it,
and I was like, okay, good, Like he's looking at
the positive side of everything. If you know something something
bad happened, he's he's he has a great attitude about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Like, so okay, I guess, but like Drake just seemed
like he seemed not not concerned at all. So he's like, hey,
you know, how'd I do, coach, And the coach is like, hey,
you brought the intention. So it's not like Drake wasn't
reacting like, you know, there's anything. But I guess that
six foot seven or whatever, if someone comes at you,
you're probably not too afraid of them, you know, even
if it's Elijah holy I mean, he was an NFL

(01:02:46):
or College D one offensive lineman. And while Evander Holyfield
is his father, it's not like Elijah Holyfield won any
silver medals and boxing. So all right, well, I don't know,
maybe we'll never know. We'll probably never know, or maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
It'll be you know, one of them three episodes does
the shoot interview, so we get to the judges and
so Bubba votes for Hayes, all of the other three
vote for p Nicety Panina, and I have to be
honest with you, it's not the p Nicety didn't impress me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I mean, listen, Summer Sorelle did a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
It was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
We all know she's not winning this competition, but she's progressing.
She's she's the one who next season on LFG season three,
if they stick to this format, will be in a
higher position. But this to me was Danny or Hayes
and the fact that Danny didn't get a single vote
or Hayes didn't get a vote, Like if Danny got

(01:03:43):
all four of the votes or Hayes got all four
of the votes, or was two and two and there
needed to be a tie breaker or something, but p
Nicety getting three of the votes, I mean, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I was going to say, like she did get outside
of her comfort zone, yes, boy, but why did she
stand out as a babyface so much? Is because the
heel against her was fucking perfect and that really bothered me.
And I was like why. It was like, they want
to give a point to Michelle. What's going on because
I'm sorry, this was all A's Like, I don't understand

(01:04:20):
why she didn't get the point. And one thing that
really is starting to bother me they keep voting for
their own wrestlers. I was like, okay, you know what,
Yeah she was good, but she was not as good
as A's. She's not okay, she's not in your team
or whatever. And I mean, I take this, I take

(01:04:42):
these two as an example. But when you watch all
the episodes, they all say, I gotta give it to
my guy, gotta give it to my girls, like yeah,
but the other one was better. Are you?

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I feel like the coaches should not be the judges.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
And take her to even vote for his he's got
He's got them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
And I felt that Drake for the first time stood out.
He worked like a big man. He looked intense. He
like hup his game a lot in this match, and
I mean yeah, and they kind of mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
But yeah, there wasn't much drama in the men's I
mean booker for Chris Island. Chris Island didn't deserve the vote.
But but Chris Island was good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I mean he yeah, he did that definitely better as
a heel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah, I don't see Chris Island necessarily. I mean, this
is terrible, but I don't really see him as.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
A WWE wrestler rightway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But I could easily see him like a T and
A or m O WU and you know, working the
ennis and working and like, after six years working his
way to WWE doing that. I mean, and while it
doesn't sound like a compliment, it is because he's in
the performance center on an nil contract. It's not even
started as an indie wrestler.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
So yeah, but he needs experience as a wrestler in
front of crowds, in front like, yeah, he needs to
push that side of the business. And yeah, I feel
in a few years he's gonna be he might be
here like great and stand out, but right now, being
in such a close environment with the same people, he's
not gonna progress.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
That's that's one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
The performance center is a great thing and is a
bad thing at the same time because they're so well
taken care of that they don't have to either think
or struggle as much as someone on the indies who's
trying to stand out, and they have to like they're

(01:06:46):
in a Polish protected environment where you know, they're not
asking their self whether they're gonna heat next week or
can they make it to their car payments or and
I mean raked for them. But when you're put in
this situation where you end up in you there's like
there's like thirty people in the crown, You're like, Okay,

(01:07:09):
how can I work this match, you know, without killing
myself because there's thirty people. But you know, these thirty
people paid their hard heard whney. What can I give
them so they have a great time and they feel
their day was worth it. You know, it's it's all
like things you have to think about as an indie performer.
And I feel that something that every wrestler should benefit from.

(01:07:31):
And you know, you see things differently and you learn
on the job and as much as you can be taught,
as much as you could be explain living it is
something else. And I feel like, yes, when they just

(01:07:51):
come out of the performance center, I feel there's that grit,
there's that edge that's missing, and it's very homoginized, and
they have to find a way to kill that that
that problem and being involved with indies, whether it's like
the Indie program that I forgot the name, but yeah,

(01:08:14):
they need to send breath, Yeah, the ID program. They
need to send those guys here and there to learn
on the spot and figure it out. And because then
after when there's a problem that happens, like a fuck
up or whatever, you're quick enough to think and just
cover it. But if you're so protected right from the start,

(01:08:37):
these are things you you can't really not that you're
not gonna learn them, but you're not in a state
of panic where you have to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Right, Listen, if you can't afford your gym membership, you
can work out of the performance center. If you don't
have money for food, there's always catering there. Maybe it's
not breakfast lunch and dinner, you could you could make
a breakfast lunch and dinner if you wanted to. You know,
there's things like that. I'm sure they give you plenty
of WWE gear that's designed to be one, but you
can warn your swet's and your gym clothes outside.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
They're in Orlando. It's summer all year round. So yeah,
there's I'm sure that they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Have housing assistance. Maybe not in rent, but this is
where this is where the places are to live.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
This is the rent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
A lot of the talent live here, a lot of
the time have lived there. Yeah, this one, you know,
have to leave early, but they're they're still on the lease,
so they're looking for someone to assume the lease. You know,
the landlords are probably you know, not completely dickish because
they know that they've got a pipeline.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
They have a WDB contract thing with Yeah, right, you know,
so you know there's all sorts of stuff like that,
so you're one hundred percent right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
But you know, two people, Michelle and Taker voted for Drake,
all right. You know, they seem to be voting for
the same people to sign. But I have no issue
with them voting for Drake but voted for Elijah. I
have no issue for that either, that it's this guy.
I'm still a little bit confused about that whole thing. Fine, whatever,
I will live with that. Nobody bj Ray, I'm not
confused about that at all. Nobody should have Booker and

(01:10:04):
Taker tied with three, Bubba Michelle have two two. Yeah,
so you know, And they showed us what's gonna happen
next week a little bit of a preview. I don't
remember if there's a guest next week, so we know
there won't be any tiebreakers next week, and I think
next week is just a continuation of this week's for

(01:10:25):
different contestants. But they did tease that there's maybe another
fight coming with Anthony Luke and Harlem Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
So m h, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I also saw Zena, so I don't know if we're
finally going to get the story with Fasiana. What happen.
So I was like, but they didn't mention that, so
it was like, maybe it would be great to say, like, well,
finally know what happened, like we or a glimpse of
like you heard me. No, I didn't blow something nothing.
I mean, if you want people to watch this, you

(01:10:56):
gotta give me something. I honestly, if I was not
doing this show, I don't know if I would like
go out of my way to watch it because it's interesting.
I like to see I like to see people progress
and learn, and these are things I can bring to
the girls, I help or whatever. But as a fan

(01:11:17):
and as TV viewer, like I'm not, I don't even
think about it. If like, because you didn't give me
something to tune in for the following week, or when
you did with Tatcha an Zina whoops, not even a mention,
not a peep, nothing, So I was like, Okay, what

(01:11:39):
am I watching this week? Then this thing be a
face if you're hell or whatever, and then the following
week it's kind of the same, and yeah, but at
least I will say that this week though, the few
people a few people like were able to stand out
or at least show that they have something when you

(01:12:01):
put them in the position to do whatever they're comfortable with,
which is like which are like Chris Island being a
heel as being a heel and Danny also being a
heel of her face, she's she's great at both really,
So that's something you know as a booker or promoter
that you want to have. That's someone you want to

(01:12:22):
have with your team. Whatever you need it, whatever you need,
she's there. She could be a heel, she can be
a face, and she's going to do a great job,
you know, no matter the assignment that's in front of her.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
That thought that you know, oh there's there's there's a
loop ause stuff. So yeah, no, I thought it was
a very entertaining episode. I think if more episodes were
like this one, then it wouldn't be more a better
viewer experience for those of us who are not, you know,
wrestling fans and to the extent that you know anyone
can do. Some of you are hardcore wrestling fan. You
you know, you know, like obviously you and I see

(01:12:55):
some of the same things you see with more keen
details and the things that I probably will never see.
But yeah, we notice a lot of the same things.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
And so, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
But for people like us, some loosely us that love wrestling,
I've been watching wrestling for a long time. It's great,
especially if you're interested in, you know, following the people
and seeing the progression. But again, I'm not sure that
it's quite the tough enough type of episodic soap opera
reality TV formula that it's been so successful in the past,

(01:13:25):
and I don't know if they should change it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
I think they should. I think they can preserve it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I do think one of the mistakes was having it
be some of the same people. But I get that
this is part of an investment in their advancement to
make it to WWE, and everything else is secondary.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
So I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
It's just you have to do something to make the
television more entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Though, And here's one thing, Like, like I said, one
thing I would do is separate the coaches from the
judges so they can't vote for their guy whatever, so
it's different eyes looking at what's going on. And I
would show more like as a as a wrestling fan,
I want to see more of Undertaker teaching. I want
to see what like he tells them, what he shows them,

(01:14:11):
like Booker's really good at getting into the action and
placing you know, arms and legs and whatever. You got
to do this like this, Like I want to see this.
We never see it. We see the match when it's done,
but i'd like to see how do you get there?
That's that's for a fan. It's like, yes, you're opening
up the curtain a little bit more, but right now

(01:14:32):
they're doing like unreal, so whatever at this point, who cares?
But I think it shows that there's a lot more
work behind the match that probably like regular people think
there is, Like there's so why do why don't they
show that? Like I want to see this. What did
Michelle say to like to p nasty to Panina to

(01:14:56):
change her as a babyface? And and it actually worked
that she you know, worked the crowd and did her job.
And again I don't think she should have won, but
still she did a great job. Like what was said before,
these are things we don't see and at I think
they're very interesting, but we don't see that, and I
think it would it would make for better TV.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Yeah, I'd also like to get to know get more
Michelle's personalite, because she's obviously clever, and funny, but she's
so Deadpans, She's so quiet that you know, I'd rather
see Mickey James there only because she's just a more
animated presence. But if we got to know Michelle better
and spen, I think that like I'd get over that.
I mean, but I sort of feel a little bit

(01:15:37):
what Booker feels is that like the Fix is sort
of endo like her and Undertaker on the same page.
I mean, he didn't even vote for his own girl
and instead of Panina who Panina have a perfectly good appearance.
But again, I don't think that she did anything to
distinguish herself. And like you said, Hayes was the star
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
She did the job. Yeah, she looked great because her
heel was great. We're fantastic, I will say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
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