LEGENDS AND FUTURE GREATS REVIEW SHOW S2 EPISODE 8 (Wrestling Stew 8.20.25) w/ @Lufisto

WWE LFG Episode 8 Review | Wrestling Drama and Top Performers Discussed
In this episode of WWE LFG, episode 8, join Lufisto and Jeff as they dive into the dynamics of the teams, heated rivalries, and intense matches. The duo discusses Bubba Ray's old-school coaching methods, the rise of characters like Zena and Dani, and surprising developments that lead to unexpected winners and intriguing promos. There's also talk about potential behind-the-scenes tensions, the evolution of certain wrestlers, and what to expect in future episodes. Tune in for a detailed review filled with wrestling insights, dynamic conversations, and the latest buzz from the WWE LFG scene.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Recap
02:05 Coaching Styles and Wrestler Development
05:36 Top Wrestlers and Match Analysis
06:49 Injuries and Behind-the-Scenes Insights
13:45 Match Breakdown: Zena vs. Serena
26:56 Match Breakdown: BJ vs. Harlem
36:03 Exploring the Wrestler's Background
39:43 Wrestling Techniques and Tips
41:46 Match Critiques and Observations
46:18 Double Main Event: Shiloh vs. Anthony Luke
01:05:15 Final Thoughts and Teasers for Next Week


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight on LFG, all the damn work I'll put in
with you, you fistos, What can you do with this
person who's new?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
So they look good, you look good, and everybody's safe.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
As I'll put him in a black leather jacket, a
black eye Jeff Lippman.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
It looked like she was too slow for school, but
she came out playing the hot mean girl. I look
really good.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Boy. Them put him in stew boed them, fry them,
put him in stew bowed them, fry them, put him
in a stew potato. Oh, we're back. It's LFG episode eight.
Who's the top man? Who's the top woman on each team?
And here's the nice thing. We left the last episode

(00:49):
on the cliffhanger, and we actually know what happened the
following episode. How wonderful is done? My dear Jeff.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It is great, my dearly, to look at this. This
is great when I'll calling each other ideas, this is fantastic.
So here that world, we're friends. Ha ha yes. So yeah,
are the Callaways mad at bubb Beray? It seems not
so much is bubb Beray or Bully Rays still a
little bit miffed a little bit but seemingly more in private.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, but I would say the Calloys, especially Michelle, is
like because she says she says it's Cleveland, It's like, wow,
that's laughable. He refuses to see anyone else, and my god,
she is so all right. I'm like Michelle right on it.
It's like he keeps saying Zena is the one that

(01:42):
beat and we've said it before. Lots of potential, but
there's definitely things that she needs to work on.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I should also make a change for Xena, resting on
her laurels, which I don't want to do. Here's the problem.
Who is Zena supposed to to get better with? And
that's the issue with Xena right now. She's too damn good.
I gotta get her through it. Live up to your potential.
How are you getting to the finals?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
How do you prove them all wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
She has the fire, but she can't hit, and I
don't know. He keeps being mad about it. He doesn't
want to hear it. But like I think Michelle also
mentions like, yeah, that's his milty kit, but he needs to,
you know, look at her in a different ways. There's
still things to work on, and he's gonna say he's

(02:40):
going to at least admit that it seems that Zena
is wrestling on her laurels because she's to them good.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean we do. I mean, in the beginning,
it seems that Bubba is sticking to his guns. But
over the course of this hour, there does seem to
be an evolution. There does seem to be a character arc.
And as true the wrestling, it's not a complete character arc.
It's a bit reluctant. Sometimes there's setbacks in it, but

(03:12):
there's some change in Bubba. But Bubba definitely has a
very different approach than the other coaches, and that's something
we can chat about obviously during the course of the show.
I'm not sure and I want Europe. I mean, first
of all, Opinion one, is this all staged in phony drama?

(03:33):
Opinion number two. Had a booker more vocally agreed with him,
do you think this would have been more of a thing.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't think Bubba is playing a role. I think
that's the way he is. He's more old school. The
old school way was to push people to see how
far they can go, even like I would see the
belittle them so they prove you wrong. That's the way
it was, and I think that's the way. That's the

(04:00):
way he works. It's I mean, I'm from that school,
So is it working, yes, But can all the people
deal with whatever comes with this way of training? Absolutely not.
You see him talk to Zena and she's almost like
I felt she was like close to crying or like

(04:21):
her face was all red and she even looked down,
and he's like, don't look down. It's so it's a
sign of weakness. Live up to your potential. And she
she's gonna say something like, yeah, I'm gonna step up
my game, but you clearly see she's uncomfortable. And it's
something I've seen several times. And the sad part about

(04:43):
this is that a lot of people can't take this pressure,
and great wrestlers quit because they could not take the
pressure of having a coach on their back NonStop like
this and keep telling them that they need, you know,
they need to be better, or just push it to
a point where it's almost like you can't breathe, like

(05:06):
it's push bush bush bush bush. But like I said,
I've seen several people, including very good wrestlers, just quit
because they could not take it anymore. So it works
and it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, Bubba Ray really seems to have sort of the
military view of the break you down and build you up.
Though I'm not sure he I think, like I said,
I think Xena sort of, you know, put a little
spell on him early on, and he's been trying to
snap up. It's I mean, he's definitely old school, but
I think they're all old I mean, maybe Michelle isn't.

(05:40):
I don't know, but I mean Undertaker's the oldest, and
even the old school people like you know. I mean
I've seen Undertaker when he was Big Red and the
Master of Pain and of course me and Mark Callis
and Marclloway and you know, and all of that stuff.
So I've seen him since he was young and I
was too. But he's considered the king of old school
by old school people, like you know, people who are

(06:02):
older than him or have since passed away. I mean,
you know, Harley Race thought the Undertaker was old school.
Terry Funk thought he was old school. Maybe two old school. Anyway,
this was definitely interesting, though it wasn't as I don't know,
it wasn't as intriguing as I had hoped. It wasn't
as pressure packed or intense as I had hoped. We
go pretty much straight to Michelle McCool saying the Panina

(06:25):
is the best, and then you know it's not Zena
Panina is the best, which the judges seem to agree,
you seem to agree. I mean, I'm not far from there.
I'm just not sure she's the best. It's like it
sounds like I'm down on Panina. I'm not. I just
I just don't see that huge a gap between her
and you know, at least three of the others.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I would say Danny, I would say probably Danny's
she's probably the best, but she's so small. I feel
they don't see her. But every time she's in that ring,
she's intense. Everything she does is clean, she's she's she
has a good fire as a baby face, and we
saw her as a heel even with a mask. She
did a great job too. And I feel like Panina,

(07:09):
like she has the size, she's impressive or promos are great,
But I mean, Danny's right up there with her, and
I'm I don't feel they see her. And now that
we're talking about top men top women, like right now,
like let's talk about the teams, like Booker.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
T Heeput Doeah one of the MENTA A couple of
things that we learned, because some of it is Yeah,
I mean when we learned Serena was clear to compete,
which is no surprise because she's in the match la,
but she indicates that she was choked unconscious. We also
learned that Elijah is injured, but no further information, So
I'm assuming that happened during regular training and not in

(07:49):
something that happened on camera. But A now that we
know that Serena was choked unconscious, do you have any
further insight as to whose fault it is? And do
you have any idea what's going on with Elijah? Do
you see anything or you know, is this just another
it's going to be like the Tatiana you know vortex
by the way, we got no update on Tatiana on
this show, but somehow she's made it to the to

(08:11):
the Grapefruit League. Or is this going to be like
another vortex of you know, black holed information that we
don't find out anything.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
First of all, Serena, if she said she was choked unconscious,
what I think is instead of putting her hand on
her chest, probably Bailey put her hand on her neck,
and maybe that's why there was too much pressure, and
that's how she choked and kind of blacked out. She
she didn't have enough hair, so she she just yeah,

(08:40):
blacked out and foul much neck, not enough trapezius M
M exactly exactly. So that's how I see it. As
for Elijah, it goes back to what we were saying.
They're not showing what's interesting. I would like to know, Okay,
he's in what is he doing now to recover? What's

(09:03):
what's the injury? Does he have to go to physiotherapy?
Is it something more? Is in your cast? We know nothing,
but that would be great to see how a wrestler
in training deals with an injury. You see none of that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's a young you know, basically a greenhorn who's you know,
let's face it, from the holy Field family. I mean,
obviously he's a hard worker, but you know he's not
you know, he's grown up, rich and and you know
certain privileges come with that. Let's see how this setback out.
Can he cut a promo? Can he can he not
go oh whate was me? Or is he like I'm
going to be back? You'll see, I'm going to train

(09:38):
through this. I'm going to be better than ever. I mean,
I don't need to hear anything in original I just
want to know. As Booker T says, I can tell
a lot by his body language, and I can tell
a lot by what the person says, even if they're
prompted to do it, Like what comes out of their mouth.
Is it is oh, this was my chance. I feel
like it's slipping away, or is this like this is
just a setback and I'm going to overcome.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, And and we know nothing, and that would be
great to know what's going on with that.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
And no, we did learn bj Ray is prepared to
take the weight for Team Bubba and carry it forward
because he still thinks that he's the star.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh and we'll talk about this match, my god. Yeah,
so Bubba. You know when it comes to the man
with Noah Elijah, you know his choices. Bj And of
course Zena no mention of A's who did such a
great job as a heel. She dyed her hair pink.
And I'm like, we saw Zena last week and I

(10:36):
know it's top woman, and you know he believes she's
the top and everything. But hmm, I was like, A's
she she did so good as a heel. I was like, ah,
you know, Booker picked Arlem and Serena. You know, Serena
of course has been a standout for me, especially as

(10:56):
a heel. Arlem looks good and specially since he changes
gears stuff very intense. Michelle goes with of course Pnasty
and Anthony Luke and take her Shiloh and Bailey, And
that's where I'm like, Shiloh, yes, but Bailey, there's something missing.

(11:16):
She's she's good and what she does she's she's impressive.
She's different. But you have Danny Sakowski who's like doing
a great, awesome job every single time, and you don't
pick her as like, dude, like you're not watching the

(11:37):
same thing, or maybe we don't have the same criterias
as why you know, for me, a top woman top
man is someone that can control a match, works the
pace right, and Ken has a character, knows what to do,
you know, talks argues whatever with the fan and does

(12:00):
those little somethings that in between the moves that are
so important that makes the match. You could do a
thousand moves, but if you're looking at the map and
there's no sound coming out, and there's there's no selling,
there's no screaming. I honestly do not care. And I
was like, I thought it was a big leath lead

(12:22):
down for Danny.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I was also surprised. I mean, I see what
everyone else sees in Bailey. She's she's completely unique, and
she's she's a physical genetic freak. In in the good way,
not in not in like ooh what a freak, you know,
like circus. This is no, this is like the Scott
Steiner way, you know. I mean, I've never seen anybody

(12:44):
that looks like that, with that build, the muscles, the striations,
the cut, you know, in the form of a female body.
I mean, it's it's it's it's you know, without looking
like they've been like doing a like bodybuilding like crazy stuff.
But Danny has been the best. Maybe she's not the
most unique, I mean, you know, they have others similar,

(13:06):
but that's not what it was supposed to be. So listen,
I was a little subit surprised. Danny was pissed, and
I don't blame her, you know, maybe that was part
of the Undertaker's you know, thought process. I can't get
into his head. I'm not mad they were any with
Panina versus Bailey. I mean that is that is a
matchup I would like to see. That's that you know
that that's pretty cool. But I get it was a

(13:27):
little bit of surprise, and you know, you know, I
keep saying this, but I think some of these folks
know they're getting at least onto evolve in NXT. Whether
they make it to the main roster or not, I
don't know, but I think a lot of them already
know this, and like people like Hayese in Summer and
trill and and you know, they'll be on season three

(13:48):
of LFG, which, by the way, It's It's ratings went up.
Last time I checked, like three weeks ago, it was
one hundred and ten. This week it was like one
hundred and seventy four thousand, So.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Wow, okay, so yeah, there's there's a big jump.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, that was like it It's premiere was somewhere around
there like season premiere. You know, the I think made
the season two premiere was one seventies. So it's actually higher,
which you know, that's what successful television shows do or
when there's more interest. Maybe it was just a triple
A I you know, maybe it's the TNA thing, you know,
I don't know. Probably it's mostly because of you and me.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I will tell myself that. So the first match, it
starts with the ladies, which is Xena sur Ling versus
Serena Linton and again Linton Linton daughter. Sorry it's the

(14:40):
French accent, Mikes keys so again proud she was my daughter? Yeah,
definitely why not? And she did a great promo just
before the match. She stays in her character.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Love it she said. She said, if you you don't
think that, if you don't think that I'm spicy enough,
you can choke on it using the pipe.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
That was a nice quote. That would be great on
the shirt. Yeah, yeah, not spicy, not choke on it. Yeah,
I love what she said. The match itself like they
had a good lock up and work and Serena what
I really loved about this beginning of the match. She
was trying to get out. She was screaming, she was pushing,

(15:26):
she was selling. She did everything. You know that made sense.
When you're stuck into a position and you want to
get out of it, you try, you know, you push,
you move, you do something. She did all that and
Xena she was smiling and in control. I thought her
her wrestling game was really on point, really nice. The

(15:46):
thing though, that where it started to be a little
bit for me, was like when Serena was in the corner,
she did some lazy knee in that corner and then
a lazy whip. I was like, no, no, Like when
you whip, just make sure you hold a hand tight,
you push chest the chest so it creates some sort

(16:06):
of pressure on your opponent and then you pull them
so because honestly, what's what looks faker than a damn
irish whip, But there's a way to make it look good.
You push your opponent, you lean against them, and you
bring them into the middle of the ring. That's where
you push. It looks more like a hit and bounce

(16:28):
than someone running by themselves. So that's where it's like,
you know Xena again. I love that she was removing
her hair from her face. She kept like flipping her
hair back. I was like, And the way she was
like wrenching the arm, twisting the arm very hard. That
looked good. But her hits, she has a bad clothesline.

(16:50):
There's something when she hits that it just it has
no impact and she keeps bending her body forwards instead
of you know, keeping her back straight. The heat was dirty,
Serena was using the hair. She's a very good heel.
What I really like about Bubba what he mentioned there
is that the kickouts are usually there's always that problem

(17:13):
where people don't use their legs to kick out. They
just like move like lift one arm. But technically a
good kickout use the leg or at least, you know,
twist your body completely so you're completely on the side,
so your back no part of your back is on
the mat. And I love that. He mentioned again, why

(17:36):
was Zena still selling her shoulder and why was she
selling her throat? I was like, she did not get like,
I don't know, like Kane chop right in the croll
or something, but she kept like selling and she does
that every single time. Bubba says that he told her
not to do it.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, well you know who said it. A few weeks ago,
me I pointed out the album her left arm. It's
always her left arm. And she started with the left
arm and then she moved to the shoulder. We also
had no reason but listen, if doing a left arm
clothesline always hurts, you stop doing a left arm clothesline.
It just makes you look stupid. I mean, there's so

(18:17):
much going on in this whole thing. First of all,
the entire show, all of these matches, and I'm not
sure if they were told to ignore this or what
the deal was, but I did not feel like I
knew who the face and the heel was from. Oh yeah,
and you should. I believe that you should know this
from the entrance at this point in time in your

(18:38):
wrestling training, especially the people on season two? Am I
you know? Am I right about that?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
No, you're right. I feel like they want all the
contestant to be liked. I don't know if it's for
social media, number more people wanting. I don't know what's
the thinking behind that, but yeah, they're all like they
go out, they do their thing, and nothing really stands out, has,
you know, being like super heel. I mean in this match,

(19:05):
Serena is clearly the heel using the hair jawjacking a
little bit. But it happens often that you're like, they're
not pushing it when it comes to babyface work and
he'll work and it's really blend. And that's that's where
I always say, like performance center is a good thing
and it's a bad thing at the same time because

(19:27):
everybody is so on the same like built same cookie
sheet kind of, so they will have to find a
way to stand outs or work on that. I I
don't know if it's something the coaches are asking them
to work on their own and just to be like

(19:49):
technically sound in the ring and not fuck up because
it's TV whatever, But yeah, it's it's a problem definitely.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, a couple of things. I mean, you know, the
basically the story here was ken Zina up her game.
But because that's mostly what we saw, whether she could
or she couldn't, which I would say, the first half
of the match it looked like she did. The judges
were impressed, the crowd was chanting for Zena, the judges
were impressed by that it seemed to be organic. And
then the second half of the match where she sort
of started getting a little lazy again, or maybe not lazy,

(20:20):
maybe just it's just not as good as everyone thinks
that she is. Bubbla thinks that she is. I don't know,
but this match did not do much to showcase Serena.
It's like she almost to have a chance. I mean,
she and part of it's her own doing. I mean,
she should have come out as a heel and so
you know, turning into one during the course of the match.
But the way the match seemed to be agented produced whatever,

(20:43):
it really was a showcase for Zena and didn't have
much opportunity for Serena. And we can't blame it on
the contestants necessarily because last week was the week where
they booked their own matches, not this week, So somebody
affed up for Serena, which or did they? We don't
know that, right, is a little scripted, But at some

(21:06):
point Serena rakes the eye, so we know we knew
that she was a heel. The Tilt the World slammed
by Zeno was pretty good and it was okay win,
but that's not really her finisher, so I'm not really
sure what was going on there. But the backstory here
was really Bubba beforehand telling Zena she's got up per game,

(21:26):
and then him musing, you know, him doing his confessional
to the camera like she's so good, everyone's missing it there.
It is a conspiracy. It is collusion or is she
resting on her laurels? Did she get too much too soon,
which is exactly what we've said. And it's almost like
he accepts. I think it's like I have to be tougher,
so he gives her tough love, you know, the don't

(21:47):
don't look away from my eyes, Like obviously he was.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Very upset with me today and how I've been performing.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I need you to step up your game. I need
you to do better.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I need you to be what you know you can be,
and that wrestling fans who want to support you know
you look at my eyes. Don't look away. Looking away
is a sign of weakness.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I absolutely feel pressure. Yes, they gave her tough love
after the match as well. I guess we'll see if
that makes an impact going going forward. But you know,
we we were ahead on this curve. I mean, I
don't know who you were a head on the curve
of because I don't think there's anyone else coverund podcasts,
so but you know, but you know, I guess I'll

(22:32):
take whatever when we can get. But one of the
things that Bubba said, it was interesting, he said, and
it was sort of an excuse built in. He's like,
who does she get to work with to get better?
And I thought that was shitty because yeah, because as
good as Zenas or interesting as she is, she's not

(22:53):
better than Peenlin. She's not necessarily better than Danny. She's
not necessarily better than a lot of people. She's she
has an interesting little thing going on, which which obviously
is marketable. But to throw that in there, like I've
heard actual wrestlers say I was always working with the
same people and doing the same match and they never
got better. But this is a wrestling school. It's not

(23:14):
like Zena is is like Charlotte Flair and everyone else's
straight out of the NIL program. I mean, this is
I thought that was a shitty thing for.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Him to say, yeah, And I mean in the end,
it's it's not helping her because if you keep telling
someone they're good and you're completely blinded with what they do,
you don't see the little details she needs to work on,
she's not gonna get better. And yeah, she's gonna stay
exactly where she is because to you she's perfect and

(23:46):
she's not. She's not. Her hits are shit, and it's
always she starts real strong, and then after I don't
know if she gets tired. I don't know if she
for she's too focused on doing what she has to do,
which is absolutely normal when you've been in this business
for you know, a cup of tea, you have so

(24:07):
many things to think about that sometimes it's just too much.
So is that something that they do, Like why are
they not like working heel face? Is it because they're
just focusing on Okay, today, I have to be the
top woman, so my shit has to look good, and
they don't think about characters and stuff. Maybe because they're

(24:27):
so new, it's normal that they do things one at
a time and eventually they're going to add at ad
and be complete. But god, he's not helping her. She
needs to be trained by a woman who's going to
tell her work on this. Look at the camera. Your
total world looked nice, but it had no intensity. You

(24:47):
did not scream, You did not do anything to make
it look like a finish or a big Bove is
just like boom Like No, I'm not even.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Sure that she needs a woman necessarily, though I don't.
I don't dismiss that, but she needs someone who's theatrical
because basically, I mean, it occurred to me yesterday that
her character is basically Alice in Wonderland, but she can fight.
You know, she's sort of confused to he curious here
and curious heir, but it's a little bit of playing possum,
like there's you know, she's sort of like Dorothy in OZ,

(25:16):
like there's more to of them meets the eye. So
she needs like like an Adulton Castle or someone that's
theatrical Aaron Stevens, someone who's had a theater backroom that
can sort of work that into wrestling. I don't, you know,
I don't I don't know much of Booker. Booker's I'm sorry,
Bubba's backstory, but I don't think it involves that. I
think he was a bouncer in a bar and basically

(25:36):
got into wrestling very early. Obviously, he's been in wrestling
since the nineties and he's in his fifties now, so
you know, just do the math that that's you know,
no later than his twenties. So you know, yeah, I
don't know that he wasn't a theater kid or whatever.
But you know, just because you're a theater kid doesn't
mean that you studied theater and character arcs and you
know sort of the esoteric or the eclectic, you know,

(26:00):
aspects of it. So I don't know, but you know,
we have talked about before whether it's she's got too
much too soon, or whether you know, it's just not
the right coat. And I think I think the conclusion
is it's it's a bit of all of it, but
some of it is in fact Bubba's fault. Though I'm
just not sure that he's equipped to be different, like

(26:21):
I think he'd be like A. I'm not saying Booker isn't,
but I think like Bubba would be a great coach
for like Harlem Lewis. Yeah, I think they're both looking
the eye straight ahead, kill kill that you know, blocking
dummy in front of you, and blocking dummy was a
football thing, not not instead of cursing anyway, I don't know. Well,

(26:42):
I'm sure that we'll have lots more of Bubba and
Zena discussions as the season, because we're only halfway through.
As Seawan points out, the next build up was into
Harlem Lewis and Booker our friend right Booker is. Booker's
happy with Harlem's body language. I think he's too cocky,

(27:03):
and we see signs of this here. I guess we
saw signs of it before, but I didn't really see
much of it different than some of the other guys.
Some of the other guys, not all of them. But
do you agree do you think that Harlem maybe he
thinks he's too cool for school, Well.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
He thinks he's kind of what's the worthy is like, Yeah,
I thinks he knows everything. And Bubby says he needs
to be more of a soldier, and he feels Arlm
feels like he doesn't progress as fast as he could
with Bookers teaching. So you know, we'll see a little

(27:40):
bit more of that later when they actually have a
talk together. But I mean, this match, my god, where
to start?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
The beginning, well.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
The beginning, the first, the first lock up, even more.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
The entrances come out. Harlem comes out with his intense thing,
which can be healer face. PJ with his same thing,
which could be healer face. He's a face no matter
what he's like. They love me because I'm so entertaining.
It's like, you don't entertain me, dude. I mean, I'm
the TV audience I've been watching for fifty years. Don't
worry about what the thirty people will get free seats

(28:16):
to LFG think.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I hate when somebody gets into wrestling just to be
loved and get some social media like exposure or followers
or like. That doesn't help anything in the fucking wrestling itself.
I mean, yeah, I get some eyes on the product,
but I mean, if you he's been training for what

(28:41):
three years now, if I count the first thing that
I've watched, he's still like the first logo was shit
is footing was so sloppy. At the second logup is
much better. But he can't even run the ropes. He
puts his arm like weirdly. It's I don't even know
how to explain that, Like he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Cry even if he is trying. It's worse, but he's well,
I don't know which is worse, but the he's like
it's like a joke to him, and he slow runs
and the coach is saying there's no impact with that.
I mean they're like, no, what is going happen here?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Everything is too small. His tackles are shitty, and he
keeps the wing that shit like in my veins that's
supposedly hot with the young people that I'm not young
enough anymore to get. But then because of that, he
runs completely backwards in the ropes and I'm waiting for
like the wallet where where his head's gonna go underneath

(29:37):
the turn rope and it's like I'm waiting for it
because you see him bounce and it's like it's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right then, if you fall over the rope, you know,
too slowly, I mean there's something about on Curnmouth speed
so that your body can talk, so that you can
land close to your feet. If you're too slowly, you're
gonna fall on your head on the apron. And I
don't know that he knows how to protect himself from that.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Does he care?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Do I care?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's the thing is like, yes, I mean this story, Yeah,
what was the story of this match? I mean, I'm
guessing Arlem was the heel because he used the ropes
and he was a lot more aggressive and he slowed
down the pace. I mean, the little bit where he
was in control. It looked good, but I mean, there
was nothing exciting about this match. It's like, h and

(30:24):
you clearly see that. You know, Harlem's not on the
same page in booker. It is what it is. Creeper
Taker showed up.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
That was funny, but listen, the backstory here was that
Harlem knows better about match agenty agenty than Booker does.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
But everything I saw that was going wrong seemed to
be about BJ. I mean Harlem. I mean it's not
he did anything new, but what he does he does well.
He looks aggressive, he looks physical. EJ was screwing everything up.
I don't know the Harlem really a chance, and Harlem
had because he was gonna put PJ in a jackhammer
and the end it was clever. It got countered into
a small package and yeah he won with the surprise win.

(31:05):
You know, which should be the baby the baby face
fighting from underneath the speed so a BJ acts like
such a tool that it was just like, what the
hell just happened there? That's a bad idea, which maybe
that was Harlem's idea, and maybe that is an example
of a bad idea. But had BJ wrestled a proper
match or even acted like he tried, maybe it would
have been okay. So while where while the the TV

(31:26):
story is about B Harlem, to me, it feels like
the TV story should be about BJ and why the
hell is he still there?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I don't know, I don't know why they not that.
I wish anybody to lose their job. But like I
said before, a manager maybe, but he's not a wrestler.
It's been three years and he still wrestles like this.
Why the fuck did.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
There's a lot to lose their job either, but there's
only some of these spots and that's already over.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I mean yeah, and there's a lot of good wrestlers
on the independent that would do a way better job
than this. After three years. My god, there's kids that
I see like months in that are better than this.
I don't get it, at least I don't know why
you would lose. And they all seem to be like
kind of annoyed by him. Then JF, why do you

(32:22):
give opportunities to people like that who you call assle?
Shawn Michael called him an asshole. Yeah, and he's no
Shawn Michael when it comes to the ring, No.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
He's not. It's right now, it's August. It is NFL preseason.
Nobody wants the any of those one hundred and three,
one hundred and thirteen people to show up to NFL
training camp to lose their johnals, but sixty of them
will or you know, and then and then a bunch
will be high back and some will be on the
scouting team and some will be semi protected and not

(32:53):
semi protected. But you know, when NFL's training camp starts
has one hundred and something people there, the starting rosters
still gonna be fifty three people man lineup and then
then like an eight or eleven person's scout practice squad
whatever it is now, And that means people losing on
thirty two teams or however many in the NFL, and
some of them will get picked up from other people,

(33:14):
thus costing OHO. It's it's not because you want someone
to lose their job. It's the nature of it. You know,
Dallas had a certain amount characters every now, and you
bring in a new character every now and then you exit,
you get rid of a character, and sometimes it's a permanent,
sometimes it's temporary. It's it's it's just like anyway, I
feel like like we have to just because the world
is so sort of weird in this way now that

(33:36):
doesn't understand the marketplace that we have to like sort
of like explain why we shouldn't be canceled just for
like things that are they were common sense like five
minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And here's the thing, this match was so easy to
set up, Like after three years he should be able
to get it. You got a guy that's really intense,
bigger like he's he looks like a machine. You got Bjay,
who's more funny, likes things not too seriously. Whatever, it
was easy. Get Arlin to beat the shit out of him,

(34:06):
have him sell, sell, sell, get sympathy from the people,
fight back, never give up, and then out of nowhere
he gets that one two three pin. Even if he
got beat up the whole match, Oh my god, Like
the big guy was so confident whatever, he was so
like deep into his rage that he didn't see it

(34:26):
coming one two three. It's an easy story, goddamn. Like,
I can't believe, Like, you don't need to be like
twenty five years in to figure that out. If you've
been especially if you've been training what five days a
week with professionals. Urry, it's not for him.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I agree. I yeah, I can't tell you how much
I agree. I mean, I've never really understood why he's
still here, except for that WWE insistence that that, like
every Logan Paul character type is going to work.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
No Logan Paul, No Logan Paul is a phenomenon in
the like I wouldn't say one in a million, but
there's not that many out there, so.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
No, he's a dick. He went to fucking Japan laughing
at people who commit suicide, being an asshole to get
numbers on it. It is what it is. But in
the ring, he's doing the job. And you know what,
I wouldn't be surprised if he gives John Cena a
great fucking match at the class in Paris. I wouldn't
be surprised.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yea, absolutely will. I mean, if nothing else, he'll he'll
do like crazy things to to make sure it appears
that way, but I think he will. No, I mean, yeah,
they're in love with the Grayson Waller types. Despite Grayson
Waller having getting no reaction outside of NFC, everyone gets
a reaction n NEXT. I mean what, I don't know
when they're gonna realize that. I mean, the mis better

(35:44):
or worse has sort of made it on being sort
of just good enough all time, and then he's got
then he was just good enough long enough that he's
sort of got this like you know, veteran status, and
you know he is the ultimate good soldier and he's
done the movies, and he gets TV and whatever, so
you know, he's sort of he's sort of like the
perfect you know, insert here kind of thing, almost like Jericho,

(36:06):
you know, used to be. You could put him anywhere.
But I don't think that people necessarily like an asshole
if they don't seem like they can do it. And
I'm not saying five star bangers. I'm not saying everyone
has to be Logbo, but you have to seem like
you care about.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I was going to say, here's the thing with MS.
He cared, He cared about what he was doing, and
he wanted to do a good job, so it shows
h Anyway, let's go to something that's more light and cute.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Our little discord where Michelle insists that she's absolutely not
losing to her husband.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I was talking about p Nasty and her dad. I'd
liked that we saw a little bit of background, you know,
where she comes from and where she gets that confidence.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
I wanted him to see me succeed because of his sacrifices.
I wanted my dad to see all the benefits and
everything that I am reaping now because of what he laid.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Out, because she actually came he here to do a job.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
She's so cheating, she stills.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Now I'm paying it back and showing him. You know,
your love and your discipline that you instilled in me
is paying off. That's why I said, this isn't a
different and this is a FANASTI show.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Now that's it.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You are to do a job.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Cut the bull. Her dad, we know, like these are
things that are cool. Something to know about her. Why
is she a wrestler? Why is she this way? Why?
Her dad is a big.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Part of why so that is he is he in
a wrestling family? Do do you know him? Like from somewhere?
Has he been like even an independent wrestler. I mean,
I've heard that she's related to the Anoi or fatus
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I didn't mention anything.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, I mean he was wearing a cowboy hat, which
you know, I think is a bold statement. If you're
not a cowboy.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Maybe he's a cowboy somewhere.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
He could be a cowboy, you know, I don't Maybe
we don't know. They don't be bred in Texas for
all I know. I meant it's by their cover.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
But they don't tell us anything about who they are,
where they come from, and why they're like they've been
picked and Chidren and that's it.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, absolutely, you know, justfinitely a book by its cover
is often a mistake that's.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Not for the like then they just won the.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean but yeah, okay, but he seemed like a
cool guy and he seemed like a no bullshit guy
and basically he had a line. He had a line
that he gave her the Jews, cut the bullshit, get
the job done exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Another T shirt.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So we we are now, you know, with Panina and Bailey,
and this time the coaches are watching. There's more people
in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
They gave any event the status it was was at
the NXT with the full NXT crowd and with the NX. Yeah,
this is with the with the mezzanine coaches. Do you
think we have a double main event? And they just
didn't say it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, they didn't say it, but both were like in
front of the crowd and with the coaches. And it's
funny because I've noticed, for the first time I felt
that Nasty looked nervous a little bit in the ring.
And we finally saw Bailey do the brock Leuser dance
a little bit something longer, I believe.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
But yeah, she did the brock toes on the entrance,
not just in the ring, which was her undertaker wanted,
but also Nasty came out a lot more animated. You
know how she does that thing with her hands are
just you weird. It's like sort of like, you know,
waving it up a little. But it's usually so slow
and lets harder. Not this time. This time. Yeah, I
was fast in aggressive, which is it makes so much

(39:34):
of a difference. But her coming in with the facials
and all that, I mean, she came in. I was
sure that she was the heeler at least an angry face. Again,
I couldn't tell who was the face or heel. But
I don't like in this match. I don't care. Like
it's like if it's big John stud against Kin cond
Andre the Giant.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's like it's two big like attractions like so, and
here's the thing you have to sell. They started too fast.
They went like into a lock up, a great one
right away. But when you have two monsters like this,
you take your time. You do a face off to

(40:12):
see how big and how tall they are looking at
each other, and then you start. So that's that's that
was missing. They needed to go like a little bit
of face to face to show what was like standing
right in front of us that we had something special.
But the lockup was great. I like the push and

(40:32):
the way they were kind of testing each other. It
made sense like you're big, I'm big, you're strong, I'm strong.
Let's see how much like I can like push you
around whatever. It made sense like it told a story
like this is a like a Boem kind of fight.
So right away from the start we knew kind what
was the story?

Speaker 7 (40:52):
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
The two slams pick up. Here's one thing with slams
that I've noticed that they don't do. And here's a
tip for all the wrestlers out there. When somebody slams you,
you'll push with your hand on one leg, But once
you twist and go up, switch your hand on the
other leg, keep your full body straight and lift your

(41:14):
face up. The slam is gonna look so much better
your bump. It's gonna be smoother, and that way you
can show your expression to everybody instead of looking down.
Switch your hand from the leg you push to the
other one. It's gonna I'm telling you, it's gonna look marvelous.

(41:35):
Just a little tip for all the restlers listening. This
will change the way you you get slammed, and it's
gonna look so great. And by holding yourself this way,
pushing on the legs and keeping your full body straight,
it's easier for your opponent to walk around with you.
Show your expression, you screaming that you don't want to be,

(41:58):
you know, slammed down to the man. You can go
around the ring this weight so much wanted to carry
the weight.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Wrestlers join the wrestling Suit Patreon. Tell them Lofisto sent you.
Hashtag Lifisto's free wisdom.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Ash tag free wisdom exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Lu Fisto's free wisdom.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah I should. I should give classes on the Patreon
or something.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yes, you should, and you should put your name in it.
You gotta you gotta brand. Don't don't make anyone think
that I'm the one giving any sort of weeds them
into how to wrestle.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I mean you need a lawyer though, if because you
did because you were stupid, Jeff your man.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Actually, if you want to learn how to wrestle the
wrong way, I will keep the wrestler like character work
and like story continuity I can probably do that and
you know, evaluate things, but as far as teaching you
how to move new new I can again, I can't.
I can't even catch my taritle. I mean she's she's
anyway this. I have a couple of criticisms in this match.

(42:59):
Nasty for all the things she's good at, her turnbuckle punches,
when when she's up there you could see how she
yea hand away that looked terrible. It actually looked like
my turtle who doesn't really have hands. I sort of
like thin hands with monster claws on them, sort of
looks when she wants to push something away.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
It was there and all her punches. I would say like,
even though once she was doing in the ring, I
felt they they need more, they need work, and she
went for European and it needs to be more vicious.
It didn't look bad, but yeah, too slow. You need
to go fast on a move like that.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
It need a little bit more oomph. I would also
say that Bailey's win, while I enjoy the way it
was booked, it sort of came out of nowhere. There
probably should have been something else in between, or something
after the power bomb. Maybe their time was up. I
don't know, I will say this match was a lot
of fun, and you know we're grading on LFG basically

(43:56):
green horned scale. But even if it wasn't, I still
would have thought this was a match. And it was.
I typed it's pretty close to exactly what it should
have been.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
There again, lazy whips, you know they pull the hand
instead of going chest to chest, especially two big women
like that, don't pull and have the other person just
run by themselves. It looks stupid, you know, you know,
put that pressure, push, and you know, no lazy whips.
Please please, when you when your opponent's near to the ropes,

(44:27):
pull them before you go for a pin. She was
in the ropes at one point. Even the judges you know,
mentioned it, and I think the commentators you know, for
a falsey where want to whoops food on the rope? Yeah,
but for you know whatever pin pull or as a wrestler,
you know, when you take a bomb, try to roll
away from the ropes before that way, at least you're

(44:51):
not close to the ropes. If you're if your opponent
wants to attempt a pin, it helps greatly and it's
less it's less effort from your opponent to just pull
you if, especially if you're a bigger person, like how
take a bomb roll near the middle. That way, that
problem is gonna not gonna happen. I love the impressive
someone drop that does look good from Panina that that

(45:14):
was really great.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
And sort of the short spear that was strangely effective.
They both agree with that. What I would have liked
to have seen with the end is after the after
the power slam, that that Bailey would realize that's not enough.
But she can't do her finisher on Penasty. She's too big,
so she doesn't try. So she would pick her up,
you know, you know, by the arm or hair or
whatever she has to do because they're both heels basically

(45:37):
in this match, and deliver not one but two closed
lines from hell basically two Southern lariats. Yeah, and then
pick her up twice and then finish it off. It
would have taken thirty more seconds.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I love the power bomb. It looked good because Panina's
facials were great.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
For that power bomb I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
But yeah, I feel like before maybe it would have
been a good idea is that Bailey the try her finish.
She can't do it on Banina. She needs to find
another way, try to fight back a little bit and
something where you know, Panina goes to the corner, she
wants to do something because she sayesn't know what to
do anymore, you know, to put down Bailey, and then

(46:15):
something stupid has run to the ropes of Panina kind
of crotches herself on the on the the turnbuckle in
the corner, and then you pick her up into a
power bomb or a little something, maybe a little back
and forth at the end after Bailey notices she can't
pick her up for her finish. It would have been
like a little bit more of a better story of

(46:36):
them being kind of equal until the end.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I will give extra credit though, for Bailey putting her
foot under the ropes when she was, you know, sort
of smart. You know, you don't expect smart veteran moves
from a rookie and be a powerhouse. So I thought
that that was clever and that and they've done that
a couple of times, and you know, I like that
that's obviously undertaker, you know, pointing to his head. I'd

(47:00):
like that yet smart, So I did like that. I
also liked how Panina after that happened instead of like,
you know, being frustrated forever. She went straight to the
samow and drop another potential finisher. So I liked that
neither of them came off as stupid, which I like.
I don't like when wrestlers come off as stupid. So
it was a.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Good, short little match.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, Well the next match and
the last match, which they called the main event, I guess,
and I'm gonna call it a double main event because
they both got the you know, the primetime TV treatment
is Shiloh, and they let us know that Shiloh has
a minor injury which turned out just to be a
black guy that he got doing you know, the Gray
Fruit League. Maybe the show Tatiana was on. I have
no idea. Probably not black guy in missing too. Yeah,

(47:42):
well that tooth you should never get replaced. I mean,
it's too good. But we got two of the front runners,
you know as Shiloh Hill and Anthony Luke as it
should be. Luke lets us know what promo he you know,
instead of really cutting a promo, but it's still sort
of a promo. And I thought this was either natural
or smart, but he's he wants to help Michelle have
those family bragging rights in that in the house, if

(48:04):
like if he if he Luke helps me, if Michelle
doesn't win, he's gonna have to answer for it, and
he doesn't want that. So that was sort of a
nice different side of Anthony Lukely he's doing it for
the coach because everything is like, I'm the best. Everyone
knows I'm the best. This is my show. I'm the great.
I mean, it's almost the way Bubba talks about Zena
that Anthony talks about himself.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
But yeah, this time he was putting your you know,
his coach over And I love that Michelle every time,
like she did it for Prettinia too. She does the poses.
You know, she's sitting there, she does the poses kind
of in the support of her team. So I love
that from her.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I really have to say this that that listen. I
miss Mickey James. I still prefer Mickey James. But you
do see Michelle's affect is deadpan. But that's not the
same as having a dead head and not a personality.
She has a personality and she shows it, and she
shows it. She mimics the gestures. She she clearly loves wrestling.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
He is definitely growing on me. I see the little
things and she cares and like, yeah, I think she's
funny too.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, I hate to ruin my own gimmick. But I'm
not sure she's there just because she's Undertaker's wife.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I mean, you know, I don't think she would like
to be there just for that too. I think I've
heard her in an episode she's like because people call
her Undertake her wife, She's like, I have a name.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I will say this that the last couple of days,
I've seen her on social media basically addressing these kinds
of things. And Michelle McCool I doubt that you're listening
to me or this show, but maybe arcius a LuFisto.
Maybe we're the only podcast that covers LFG and you
all should be listening. But Michelle, don't do it. There's
no profit in it. All you're going to do is
end up like like Dacs from FDR. I mean, you know,

(49:53):
don't just there's there's no winning in it. You're you're
listening to such a small percentage of people. Most people,
even if they feel like me and they're wishy washy,
they wouldn't come at you like that. Nobody, even on
social media. They would just just ignore it, don't do it,
or stick to whatever they gave you.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And there's something I've learned, especially about X that block
button is one throughful.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, I mean, the only thing I can see is
the producers of LFG said, Hey, all of you get
on social media, caused some controversy, get buzz on the show.
If it's that, carry on. But if it's anything else,
just stop, just just don't do it.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Follow me.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I'll follow you back. I'll be cool or like at
least neutral. You know, I'll probably obnoxiously ask you to
be on this show or my show or whatever, but
just don't do it. No win.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Well, then put him in his Sto loves Michelle exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know what, you know what you could you could
coast with Lifiso and I'll take the week off. I mean,
i mean talk about the numbers going skyhike. I'm not
taking the week off. I'm definitely gonna be there all right.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
By the way, Silo when he did an answer, started shaking.
My god, this guy, he's a lost baby of Bray Wyatt.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Absolutely, Oh my god, I just.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
See Bray Wyatt. I want him to wear those shirts,
those kind of Waian shirts. I was like, they have
to do something with this or legitimate son or something.
My god, it's like it's him like.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Face, except he's too thin. That's the only difference. So
like maybe it's like Bo and I don't know who's
if Bo's married or what is.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
His mouse looks like maybe the mother was thinner, so.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, May, Yeah, you're right. I don't know much about
the genetics of the Brays, you know all of it.
I mean, I know what Jojo looks like, but I
don't know who the first wife was or have long
for anyway, unimportant this again, I didn't know who Face
was or Heel was coming in. They both basically have
a very similar entrance, which could be either. But Anthony

(51:55):
Luke attacks from behind before the bell, so we know
he's the Heel. I'm gonna let you do the home match,
but I just want to say this was an aggressive
match and these two guys, and they should because they've
been on season one and season two and basically been
neck and neck the whole time. But they have great
chemistry together. These guys can work together for ten years
and then revisit against seven years later. Like how people

(52:16):
talk about you know they want to see Sina and
Edge one more time of Sena and or one more time.
I don't want to see those things, but people do.
I think, you know, it's way early for that, but
potentially in twenty years that could be these two guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I mean Luke for me was as soon as I
saw him coming out and jaw jacking and talking to
the people in the crowds like, yep, that's the heel
and obviously with a hot start that confirmed it. Luke
has great punches. He kept arguing with the refs. I
was like he kept everything alive between the moons. Shiloh
did have a great you know shine. He I believe

(52:52):
he works a little bit too fast because at one
point Luca was kind of selling away and he tried
to punch him and kind of missed because Luke was
selling to the next spot where he was going in
the middle of the of the ropes to get whipped,
and Chilo was going so fast that yeah, you could
if you go back on the episode, you could clearly

(53:13):
he kind of swings. But Luke's already like he didn't
wait for his opponent to be in a place, you know,
a stable place where he was not moving, or put
his hand on the chest just to kind of tell him,
you know, stay there in the corner. I'm just gonna
punch a little bit, kind of kind of tell him
without actual words, just with you know, body language and

(53:34):
using his hand that do not move right away. But
it was kind of you could see the kind of
bunch that looked like crap. I like that. Luke was
working the camera the whole time. Every time he was
in a move, he was turning towards the camera. It
is so important when you're doing TV to do that,
and Luke already has it. He has great selling on

(53:57):
his bumps, meaning he takes a bump and gets up.
You should never stay down on the map. You get
up a little bit because why would you want to
stay down. You don't want to get paid. So you
take a bump and you slightly get up a little bit.
He put his hand where it hurts, like his lower back.
Whatever fire come back from from Shiloh.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
You know, look, Luke blocked and he put his fingers
and his eyes and I mean when he was going
for the let me rephrase that, when so shallow did
a fire come back? And then he went for his
kind of finish where he grabs Luke on the side
and then Luke blocked with his leg and it was
clear and he was blocking, and I like that it

(54:41):
was we could see exactly what he was doing. Put
his finger in his eyes, and then went to the finish.
Here's the thing though, Shiloh again, probably the problem. He
needs more sound when he's selling. I can't hear his
pain when he's beating people up, I can't hear his rage.

(55:01):
He needs that. That's probably the only thing that's missing
because everything else, like he's getting pretty good. Like when
Taker says he he's his best in his team, you know,
between him and Drake, I you know, I think he's right.
And that's the thing that he's missing. Sound I left
at the end because as much as Luke doesn't want

(55:22):
to be the rock, he kind of used like a
modified rock Bottom booker. He goes like, no, that was
a booking, So I thought that was I thought that
was funny. Note that's a booking. And I like when
Chilo went for the pig, I mean not Schilo, but
when Luke went for the pin put his leg.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Laps is there?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, And one of my Cats says hello everybody, Yeah,
leg in between to hold down down the opponent even more.
Looked great. Yeah, that that was a great match, like
if if if it was on NXTTV, no problem with it. Yeah,
but looked great. Yep.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I have so little to add to this, so I'm
just going to say something good, something bad. It was
the same thing. I thought it was very clever for
the heel to even consider using the eye injury as
a way to get away, you know, because they're basically
evenly matched, because you knew you were going to do that.
It looked really bad with his big, big red gloves,

(56:25):
and I think for this one, either have different gloves
or no gloves, and it would have looked a lot better.
I think he realized that. And even on the replay
it looked worse when they said he he used the
thumb to the eye and they show you couldn't even
see the thumb, wasn't anyone near there, and say he
stuck his fingers and it just looked like he was
doing like a claw without any without any without a

(56:45):
Baron von Rashki or or you know von Eric, or
these days of Baron von tims Storm, you know grip
or or purchase on that. Aside from that, you know,
live and learn. But if you're going to do that,
you know the gloves are less important than the move itself.
And there's lots of different kinds of gloves out there

(57:07):
that allow your finger to have fingers have more dexterity.
All right, moving on to the points. We start with
the women, Michelle McCool, Bubba and Undertaker. I'll give p
Nasty the point. Booker gives Serena the point. I guess
she's on his team, Yeah she is. But this is
this is the week that I thought, Listen, I've never
thought the pet didn't deserve it. It's just I just

(57:29):
wasn't clear why she was always winning so consistently. But
this week I thought P Nasty was the winner for sure.
Obviously you agree. It wasn't much conversation there all. It
was four for four for Shiloh. On the men's side. Again,
I thought Shiloh did great, but I mean nothing Luke.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I was going to say, Anthony Luke carried that match
as a heel, and I was like, I, yeah, I don't.
I didn't get it. Shiloh did, don't get me wrong,
did a great job, but as a heel, Anthony Luke
was complete jaw jacting with a crowd selling, cheating hot start,
sewing down the pace, arguing with the referees. He had

(58:11):
it all. I don't know why they did not pick
Anthony Luke and made no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I mean even this coach didn't didn't pick I mean, yeah,
not that you should do favoritism, but I mean I
don't know. I mean maybe it was justice of the
glove spot and then maybe they didn't mention it though
I don't know, but you and I agree that Anthony
Luke should have at least gotten I mean, if not one,
gotten at least two votes and had come out and
do it or something that would have been interesting drama.

(58:39):
And it could have been interesting drama even if his
coach voted for Shiloh. And and you know, first of all,
to undercut you know, Bubba's conspiracy and maybe Booker's secret
belief of conspiracy, but also to add a little drama.
It's like, coach, it was so close, she didn't even
have my back. Come on, I mean, you know this
is all this is a bit script. We go into

(59:00):
the halfway point of the season with Michelle McCool being
in the league with five points, Undertaker right behind his
wife with four as it should be, right behind his wife,
Booker with three, and Bubba you know, with two despite
his team being handicapped. I don't feel bathroom we confirmed
again no word on Tatiana. Anthony Luke did a really

(59:22):
fiery promo at the end, which I know was basically,
it's my show. It's my show. Everyone knows that on
the show. And you know what, that was the right
time for this promo. As much as these sings his
own praise as too much and I'm not sure if
it's character he believes it, this was the right time
either way. P Nasty delivers a good exit promo. You know,
she had a great showing. And then we see the

(59:44):
maybe bake drama, maybe not half baked drama. I'm gonna
let you pick that up here. So nobody tells drama
like the veteran.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Well, here's here's what I saw. I saw a guy
that knows his weakness and knows, you know, how his
temper can switch. And I actually, to me Arlem won
some points with this episode because although he feels like

(01:00:12):
he's being held back and it makes him angry. He
also knows that he gets angry for stupid things out
of nowhere sometimes, so he knows himself, he knows his weaknesses.
And he was men enough to grab Booker and talk
to him one on one, and you know, and Booker

(01:00:35):
explaining him, you know, you have to trust me. I'm
not doing this to keep you down. I've been there,
there's you know, I'll get you where you need to be. Yeah,
and arlemb was men enough to say, you know, you're right,
thank you for listening to me. I had some concerns.

(01:00:58):
I wanted to make sure I brust them so we're
on the same page. And I thought it was very
professional of him, very manly, like goddamn, if you have
a problem, just be ye, it's not gonna be that
bad and you'll be able to find a way to
fix things or work things better. And yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Was mature, and it was very somebody who's used to
competitive sports where there's a confrontation or your attention between
you and your coaches, or you and your quarterback, or
you and you know, the captain of the team or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
And yeah, he one points with me too, because he's
like I've had anger problems before. I've had issues with
anger management, and I know that that I if I
just address it earlier, it's not going to escalate and
exactly so you know, so I agree with you. He
said it was sort of a private conversation. I am
sure that they edited out eighty percent of that conversation
and I'm fine with it. Would I've liked to have

(01:01:54):
heard more, Yes, I absolutely would have. But basically Booker,
like you said, I said, I'm not trying to keep
you down. You're trying to do X y Z and
I'm telling you don't need to, you just need to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Oh I love that quote. You're trying to do X
y Z and I'm telling you to do ABC. It
was like it's like I love the spark for some reason,
and I'm like, like it made me a little bit
like understand Booker's way of teaching, Like he might take
another route to bring you wherever, but he's going to
take you there. So I yeah, I felt it was

(01:02:28):
like a nice way for a coach to, you know,
express how he works. And I love that. Booker was
like he he listened to what you know. Ar Limb
had to say, and he did not go like, I'm
the coach, you tell me that's not how it works,
like and get all like riled up and but you know,

(01:02:50):
huffing and puffing' And he was he was quiet, he
was calm, and he was just listening, trying to understand
where where Arlem was coming from. So yeah, I really
both of them Kudas loved it. Loved it, very very
mature professional. Yeah, loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
And you know, Booker reminded us earlier on actually it's
not true. He was during NXC when he was talking
about Masha Slamovich as the referee, and he said, I
have a wrestling school. I don't know what the seventeen
steps a referee or the eighteen steps of a referee is,
but I have a school. We teach people. I've been told,
but this was very much reminded me that he is
a school and he knows how to talk to students

(01:03:33):
and people, which gives me a little bit more pause
about Zillapho too, if he was having issues with Booker
T and they couldn't be worked out, because it seems like,
I mean, Booker T is street. Did time came out,
you know, came out of w c c W or
you know, probably somewhere else first, then to w CW,
then to WWF, then to WWE, and is still featured

(01:03:56):
prominently in all sorts of ways, and he's navigated everything,
but he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
He's got experience in so many different like aspects of
wrestling and life in general. And people often forget, like
how many people got out of WCW bigger than they were?
Not too many? Booker t is one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, absolutely and still around. I mean, you know Burg
will tell you that. But Goldberg was always resting on
the WCW laurels. And that's not a criticism, it's I'm
not saying he's resting. Now that's where you got it. Yeah,
I mean, it just is what it is that that
was his biggest thing. I mean, you know, the Stonecull
versus Goldberg, believe it or not, was a dream match
in nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
How many people stayed home with their big WCW contract
waiting for it to expire and getting paid While Booker
says like, no, I'm a wrestler. I want to work
and correct me if I'm wrong. I believe he took
a pay cut and just went and hey became King Booker,
one of my favorite freaking things from that era.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Okay, to my knowledge, you are correct. I mean I
don't you know, I don't pretend to know all the
ins and outs, but yeah, from to my notes, and
you know, Booker's basically said to him, listen, you know,
and and he did. He basically repeated in his I'm
just gonna call him confessionals, because that's what they call
him on the Real Housewives franchise. When you just it's

(01:05:22):
just the woman and the you know, talking to the
camera person one on one or the interviewer.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
They said, this is a private conversation, and it's just
something that I needed to get to clear my head
because I was very frustrated, and I've had a really
bad history of like anger issues, and I've noticed that
if I don't stand on it and speak about it immediately,
I'm gonna just crash out. So I had to pull
him aside just kind of talk to him and understand
more what he's saying, and understand exactly what he's looking

(01:05:47):
for for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
If you follow the structure for me, you're going to
kill it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Every al right, because you're thinking that you need to
do X y Z, but you really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Okay, one day, one on one session with me and
tell me about Hawk that tells me he wants to
be really, really bad. Reminds me of me in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
I always want to be the guy at the at
the front of the class.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Trust doing it my way, and you're gonna your your
eyes is gonna open, You're gonna go home.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I need to listen. And the ultimate question do you
trust me? You can win this?

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
Thame.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I know you can't just trust me. Trust me any
guy eppy Shire, he needs to listen more. And the
question at the end is do you trust me? So
will that continue or not? I don't know. But the
teaser for next week was that bj Ray probably is
the one who gets a little dirty or not serious,

(01:06:40):
which is really you can hijokiness between getting jerky and
a fight with Trill London, who seems pretty chill up
to this. But he was an NFL defensive back, so
you're like, don't confuse his kindness for weakness.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
He's yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, I mean, bj Yeah, you were a college wrestler
and all but still anyway, they're showing not just in
the ring, but outside of the ring, teasing that. But
in the past we've seen that and it sort of
led to sort of a bit of a disappointment. But
that's our tease. So I am very much looking forward
to that, probably for all the wrong reasons. Am I

(01:07:18):
a bad person? Maybe? I don't know, but that's what
I will.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I'll say it to be kicked out so Bubba's left.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I just I just want, I just I just want
to see the conflict. I just want I just I
just want to see the fight. I just want to
see you know, they don't kick anyone out, but but
people don't win, and I you know, I'm very much
on the record that I do not want what's his
face so bj Ray to win, mostly because he shouldn't.

(01:07:47):
I mean, if he had the same asshole personality. But
you know, you know, cut weight, and I know he
can cut weight because he's been posting pictures of himself
with abs and being cut, so I know he knows
how to do it. He was a wrestler, knows how
to do it, and doing wrestling moves and acting like
he cared instead of just taking it off for granted,
like it's one big joke. I mean again, he looks
like he's sort of like a wrestling It's like at

(01:08:08):
times he wrestles like Orange Casside, but that was Orange
Casside's gimmick. And the hole about Orange Cassie I don't
really appreciate. But they're like, but he can go, and yeah,
he can go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Was going to say you love or you hate?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
So yeah, I mean, you know, listen in short dosages
I love, I just don't or like, I just don't
like it as as a featured act. But that's not
important because he can go. His gimmick was he doesn't care.
But but you know, when he had to, he went.
This guy it seems like when he has to he
gets even worse.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Oh we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
All right, Well that's probably enough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I just hope we get other contestants too. We haven't
seen Danny for a while, we haven't seen A's for
a while. We talked about them a little bit, and
you know, it's like, show us the other people. Where's Tatiana?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Why what happened to I see giving us coaching tips?
Oh ye of little faith, mister missionary. Well, of course
we did I can't call them mister Thomas because that
confuses it with the other mister Thomas, who was my
other co host. I mean, it's all these are the
things that I'm old, you know, anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Before you're too old? Where can we find you online?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Where can't you find me? So if you want to
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that's probably enough. On the Wrestling Soup Network, you can
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(01:09:44):
just like this is the only LFG wrestling podcast that
i'm that I know about. Sometimes I have a co host,
sometimes I don't. So last week was a solo show.
Maybe this week will be, maybe it won't. Garden of
Thought is my podcast, also in the Wrestling Soup Network.
I'm gonna say it's sort of like the variet I
named Joe Rogan, you know, but obviously I'm not Joe Rogan.

(01:10:04):
I don't get the celebrity guests, but I get like
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the guests who are in the circles of those celebrity guests,
but similar variety. Obviously not the other Browness and obviously
not the success. But you can all help me with that.
And then Gospel of Thomas with mister Thomas from MLW
Wrestler Wrestling, where we talk to people in wrestling but

(01:10:24):
often about non wrestling things. And this very night, my
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MLW Middleway Championship he has in his possession he should
beat up vacant but kiro Kwan from Contra Hell Contra,
and our guest is former Rogue Horseman now free agent

(01:10:44):
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So yeah, Brett Ryan Gossa, I We're gonna talk to
him tonight. And who knows what else this wacky month
when Thomas is off living his best life has to
do with I'm done that.

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