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October 22, 2025 76 mins
Join Anthony and Joe as they dive into the latest in wrestling, from WWE and AEW drama to in-depth match analysis, character arcs, and the wild world of wrestling personalities. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and check out our Patreon for exclusive content!

Timestamps:
00:00 - Weekend Wrestling Recap: WWE in Japan & AEW’s Big Event
09:45 - AEW’s Late-Night Antics & Family Friendly Drowning?
18:00 - Warner Brothers Sale Rumors & AEW’s Ongoing Issues
43:00 - Darby Allin’s Recklessness and Character Analysis
54:35 - WWE Raw Review: Character Work & Maxine’s Standout Performance
01:05:00 - Becky Lynch, Paul Heyman, and the Power Dynamic
01:10:00 - Tag Team Championship: AJ Styles & Dragon Lee vs. Judgment Day
01:13:00 - Women’s Division, Kabuki Warriors, and Show Wrap-Up

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The topic of the weekend. I mean, I know this
was this was aw's big weekend to shine because w
DOW didn't have a single pay per view.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah they did. Actually, I was going to talk about
the WWE and Japan results.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh oh, I did forget. I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I was actually really happy. Yeah, Ria got her nose
broke and they were talking about that. But I was
kind of happy that shinsk was in the main event
with the punk against the Vision, the Vision and they
want so yes.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well this is this just goes to show you though, too.
Is that I'm going, Oh yeah, all the talk was
about a w and they're like, weird fucking main event,
you know, murder porn nonsense.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well let me ask Let me ask questions because I
didn't get a chance to see it. But were there
more than five matches on the card.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
This may surprise you, but i'd say double at least
if I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, okay, okay, now once again.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I didn't. I didn't watch more than a minute and
a half of this thing, so you'll have to forget.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh no, no, no problem. Did the did the event
go longer than four hours?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Jeez, man, you're gonna go buy a lottery ticket. They're
just oh, I know, well that was it like like
a loom message me. She's like the fucking pay per
view went till one am, and I was like, one am, Sure,
who is who is even enjoying this at that point?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, you know, from what I was hearing online is
that Tony Kahan wants to make a more family friendly
products andce w w is shying away from it. And
I guess that includes maximizing the dollar by having children
stay up till one in the morning on Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
That's a good point. That's that is a great thing
to do for the kids, is keep them up late
at night so that way they can watch dudes attempt
to drown one another. That was a spot.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I guess, well, family friendly drowning.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's yeah, Like it's family family friendly drownings. That's that. Like,
you know, they used to do the things of the
Disney Channel where like the kid would pop up and
like do the finger and it would make the Disney
d Like it's just like he brings it up and
just does the d It's just drowning at the end,

(02:27):
Like it's yeah, you're watching the Disney Channel choking your
own blood. Tune into I currently, and after that you
can watch somebody drown in in a fish bowl. Well, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Could probably do it with DC characters, because I'm sure
you heard about Warner Brothers selling off and they're going
to sell off parts of it, and we know that
there's one major company that wants to buy a half
of Warner Brothers at least, so yeah, well I and
it's not the AW half.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I will tell you. It was very interesting to me
because now at this point, the only use of any
sort of conversation about AW is when they fuck up
and make a problem for themselves. It's never the matches,
it's never the storylines. It has nothing to do with
the players. It has everything to do with their fucking foibles.

(03:24):
You know. Did you see all the chatter about that
and the outrage with uh, what's her name? Sarah Logan?
And shit you saw that?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I'm no, no, I do. I think I did see
something pop up, but I was busy doing things this
past weekend, so I was actually more guess soon with
what was going on with w w E Japan. But now,
please go on, tell me what happened with port.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sarah Sarah Stock that's Sarah Low Sarah Stock. Okay, yeah,
that's the same. That's just a that's your shoot name.
Bro I believe Am I wrong? Somebody correct me if
I'm wrong on that. I feel like it's the same human.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Sarah Logan is the one that's related to Jake and
Paul Logan, right, yeah, yeah, who's also related to Paul
Hogan who is formerly the Crocodile Hunter, but he died
because he was Yeah, I'm with you, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, Oh, that's the way. I'm wrong. It's this girl says, So,
I don't even know who that is. I'm not trying
to be a dick, but I have no idea who
that is. Uh yeah. So apparently she made some sort
of post where she said, you know, how the hell
would you ever expect a parent to let their kid
watch this? This is fucking crazy, you know, And Brody

(04:37):
Lee's wife responded with, like, well, why would you have
your kids watching it at midnight? Anyways? And it's like, yeah,
we know, Tony Kink gives you money? What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Just guys, Hey, how's that fundraiser going?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
How's all that?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh? Yeah, how's all that fundraiser going? For Brody's wife.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, yeah, five six years ago now right, Yeah, I
mean I think to go fund me still open? Am
I right?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh that's awesome. I mean that's really good for all
those people that don't get any money from it.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So yeah, it was smart. Well yeah, it was just
a matter of them being like, well, you can't have it.
Darby Allen. I guess got his fingernail ripped off.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh God, that poor fucking guy.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, he's an idiot. He's a fucking imbecile.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I'm genuinely surprised he isn't permanently fucking paralyzed yet with
all the weird antics that he does. Yeah, but in
and out of the ring though, Joe, it's not even like,
oh this guy is working crazy in the ring. No,
out of the ring, he's getting hit by cars and
climbing Mount Everest and just what are you doing? Man?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, he is one of those people that I think
he is. He's attempting to Taco Bell commercial it where
he's like I'm living Moss and it's like, no, I
think you just want to Yeah, I think that's kind
of it, dude. I think you just don't want to
be alive, so you're just committing suicide. In the littlest

(06:09):
little increments you get, you're microdosing death. That's basically what
you're doing. But like, it is crazy to see that
dude continue to do this bullshit. Well, also, on Friday
Night you see Dragonof come back and he looks like
a million bucks. He has a great match. So dude's
a fucking awesome, fucking worker. And I find myself saying,

(06:32):
you know, Darby could have been that, right, Like, Darby
was good enough at one point that if he'd actually
kept trying to be a good fucking wrestler, he could
be at the level of Dragonof for sure. I don't
know if he would agree.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But I wouldn't put him in that direction. I think
that he's more of a daredevil guy. If anything, he
would have been shades of Jeff Hardy, hopefully without all
the drugs and backlash, you know what I mean. Like, uh,
Darby all, I can see him being a big star,
but I don't know if I'd look at him and
think of a dragon Off. Dragonoff is a talented technical wrestler.
He's a guy who seems like he truly studies his craft.

(07:11):
And dare I say, bring up the names of Yesteryear.
But I can see more of a technical aspect to
a dragon Off in comparison to guys like Storm and
Ben Wah and others, than I could ever see to
a fucking jeff Hardy Darby Allen type.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So the sad thing is is that almost ten years
ago Darby Allen was that kind of wrestler. He was
when he was in Evolved, he was actually like trying
to have coherent matches where he still took stupid bumps,
but he had a unique look, and he was small,
and he garnered sympathy. And now he's just a fucking

(07:46):
stunt clown.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
He wasn't Darby Allen also involved with the the me
too stuff too for being emotionally abusive or something like that,
of course, right, I mean, that's what I'm saying, is like,
I hate I'm not trying to fucking steer this into
a mental area. But I mean, if you're really looking
at the kind of things that he does in his

(08:06):
personal life and you look at what he allows to
be done to himself in the ring, clearly there's some
kind of correlation. And not saying it happened because of
a relationship, but there might be other issues that this
guy is dealing with, and being reckless is a way
of him alleviating some of those emotions. It just seems
like it's a band aid, is what it is. And

(08:28):
whether he's getting any kind of mental help along the way,
we don't really fucking know, but I would presume that
if he was a doctor would probably tell him to
switch up his style.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know, maybe someone can't have a healthy relationship with themselves, mish,
how did they expect to have it with other people?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well that too, But I'm just talking about for the
sake of him not fucking dying professionally, you know. But no, no,
I totally understand what you mean by that.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well, that's it. It's like it's it is sad because,
like I said, I do think that he's a guy
that could have been a small underdog, you know, fight
from underneath, scrappy guy who has it. You know, he
has his unique thing.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
He's got a good look too. It's not like he's
a fucking you know, a Trogola dyte or nothing like.
He could have been one of those those guys that
comes out there and takes his shirt off and the
ladies and the young Bucks are like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Ude, the ladies and Matt Riddles, They're all like, whoa.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
The ladies and Kenny Omega, Oh.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, no dude. It is depressing to see that. And
it's like Moxley at this point, this is just what
he wants. This is what Moxley wants to do. He's
already a multi millionaire. He's not taking the bumps, he's
giving ninety eight percent of it. He's just getting stabbed
with sticks and nails and shit because he thinks it
makes them tough. It's filling some sort of dad hoole.

(09:53):
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think it's an inadequacy hole honestly, which is really
weird because you look at Renee and you're like, dude,
you kind one man. She's gorgeous, she can she talk
real good.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like, yeah, I don't know what the fuck. You couldn't
have run any better all things considered.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, that's the same guy that needs to fight fucking
mall cops right in Judo and shit like that and
lose to them in the real world as opposed to
embracing the character of being a wrestler. He's he's a
weird guy, and I think it's uh. I think it's
a penis envy, an epen issue with fucking ambrose as
opposed to a daddy didn't hug me enough. It's a

(10:31):
kid issue.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, there's no there's no water that can fill this
fucking right ravine that is my heart. Yeah yeah, this
this just dried out jry well of sadness. But you know,
I don't know, man, it's it feels fucking idiotic to
talk about anything that goes on in AW And this,

(10:53):
like Raw was actually very good. I liked most of it.
I like ninety percent of the show.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Wrestling too for a mature audience. I don't available wrestling soup.
I'm Anthony Thomas, and he is your excellency Joe Numbers Boy,
and uh yeah, yeah, we had raw take place, and
I agree with you. It wasn't a bad raw overall.
It was actually worth a second showing. But I was

(11:23):
really impressed with Maxine. I of all the things that
happened on RAW that I enjoyed, I think I was
pleasantly surprised that not because she was working with Becky
and clearly you know, Becky's the veteran in this instance,
but I was really impressed with how she handled himself.
There was a couple of flubs here and there, but
for the most part, for being her size, she had

(11:46):
a lot of athleticism. Getting out of that armbar was
kind of a unique reversal to stand on your head
and flip over. I was like, oh, well, shit, that's
one way out of an armbar, right into an ankle lock.
They made a lot of comparison ends that her style
is reflective of Chad Gable, and she used that. She
used that multiple times and submission holes and I was

(12:07):
I was genuinely impressed because Max scene before this, the
few matches we've seen, we're all.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Lana esque and that's fair and granted, yes, they're still
obviously very very rehearsed, and you can tell there's a
lot of pre planning going into these matches. There's a
lot of I do you do? I say, you say,
like you can you can smell it out. But the
check gets a reaction, Yes, she gets a reaction.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Hotly looking at her. There was a few scenes where
she had a few scenes Jesus sorry, a few few
instances where she had her hair thrown over her face
and I'm like, oh, are they trying to replace Charlotte Flair.
Is that what Maxine is? Because there was a couple times,
I mean even her outfit was a little different, Like

(12:58):
there were just visions of oh, look, this is the uh,
this is the Korean version of Charlotte Flair. I see. Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh are you saying she's so she's k pop Charlotte?
Is that what it's there?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
You go a little little team ou Charlotte?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Sure, yeah, I mean she's She's got a long way
to go from being anywhere near Charlotte good, But there is,
like I said, there is something to the fact that
she has a she has something to where that is
getting a reaction wherever the fuck she's going and wrestling.
She also and this is where when me and you
have these lengthy conversations about why managers and valets and

(13:37):
why it hurts the company to not have these people
and why this should always be a thing. That's what
she was. She was a valet for essentially a comedy
act in Chad Gable. And now that the chick is
you know, I don't want to say completely ready for television,
but close enough, she now has all of these things

(14:00):
to play off with the audience. Oh you're doing the
otis thing. Oh, you're doing the Chad Gable stuff. Oh, look,
you're playing into it because now they've gotten to know
her as more than just pretty girl. Right, Oh it's
pretty girl. Wow. We don't get any of those in
wrestling anymore. That's crazy, But like that's it. This is

(14:21):
where having the managers having the valets introducing the people
to the audience without immediately having it to be they're
gonna go out there and have a.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It took a while, let's be honest. I mean it
took a while. We saw glimpses of her before. And
I think that this was an interesting case because I
think she did very well against Becky Lynch to the
point where obviously they're going to have another rematch because
the way it ended was Becky smasher in the face
got decued with the belt. So I don't know. I'd

(14:51):
like to see where this goes. And it doesn't feel
like this is going to be the main foil for Becky.
But if Becky and Maxine mix it up over the
time and they build up a little rivalry, I'd be
okay with it. I'd be okay with it. It's uh,
and I know this was her hometown.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
But yes, the last couple of matches she's had, she's
getting a reaction. I mean people are actually into what
she's doing. And people are saying in the chat they're like, oh,
hot blonde number, you know, two thousand, blah blah blah blah.
And you're like, yeah, that's more reason for people to
not react to her, right, but they are. There's something
about about her that they like.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, they also surrounded her with lovable characters too, right.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Like, yeah, that doesn't hurt. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think that that's actually what's worked in her favor.
And even the Chad Gable stuff, the way he treated
her afterwards, like they made her sympathetic. They knew what
they were doing. This was one of those long term
plans being laid out before us, and I think it's
finally working.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, and you know, honestly, credit to Becky too. Becky
is a good heal now at this point, right, I
mean she's there was a few rough Becky years, man,
for sure. I go back to the David Bowie Becky
where she just looked sickly and her cheeks were all
caved in and it was like, ugh, this was fucking rotten.

(16:09):
That was real rough. But now I feel like Becky
even now san sets which what a gift, What a fucking.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Talk about that for a second, right, because I think
with the highlights for Becky of the night wasn't even
her match with Maxine. It was the moment where her
and Paul Hayman had their little back and forth discourse.
And I really enjoyed the idea of Paul Hayman back
pedaling as Paul Hayman does and kind of explaining like, hey,
you know you're the breadwinner in the family now since

(16:39):
you know, Seth's gotten himself taken out and now he
can be your hot husband at home. And Becky just
fucking pie faces Paul Hayman and just whispers into his
ear or like low grumbles into his ear. I never
fucking trusted you, you know, and you know even though
my husband, my husband didn't either, And it was almost

(17:01):
like she was trying to build up Seth. But it
was this weird thing where Seth doesn't talk like that.
Seth never has the amount of testosterone that came through
Becky's promo with Paul Hayman. Paul Hayman, even though he
wasn't a afraid But the way that Becky controlled Paul

(17:23):
Hayman and controlled the narrative of how this promo was
coming out, how her anger was coming out, was very
fucking threatening, very threatening. It is a weird thing to
see Becky Lynch, who's half the size of Seth, who
Seth is half the size of brown Breaker's leg, come
out there and have more anger and more visceral reaction

(17:47):
to Paul Hayman with those threats and have it mean
something more than all of the Seth rollins promos put together.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, well, I mean it's also telling of how ineffective
Seth is.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right now, That's what I'm saying. It's either because Seth
is completely ineffective as a man, or it's because Becky
Lynch is so good at her heel character, or at
least in this version of her character, that she understands
how to convey that kind of a threat as a
woman upon a man, and it means something more than

(18:21):
just the silly shit we see when a woman tells
off a man on TV and it feels corny. This
felt like one of those things like I will stab
you in the fucking dick kind of threats, like don't
come after my family. Don't go after my kids. I
will fucking kill you. It's one of those Mama Bear moments,
and I was just I really enjoyed Becky in that role.

(18:42):
And even though it feels like ultimately she will take
control of the vision, she will ultimately probably be the
leader of bron Breaker and Bronson Reid for a little while.
At least. I like the idea that she's able to
threaten someone like this and it comes off as believable.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, this is gonna be a problem too. I think
in the next you know, four to six months is
where this is what happens when a heel does good work.
They turned the baby face the crowd does that is
and that's probably the next stop for Becky. But that also,
unfortunately means when Seth comes back, they're gonna make Seth
the fucking baby face again too. Which not particularly interested

(19:24):
in seeing the baby face tandem of Seth and Becky. No,
I mean the heel version of them, with Becky as
the manager on the outside, cheating, doing sneaky shit, actually
getting heat from the crowd. I was into that, but
I'm not so keen on the babyface Becky and Seth's
coming back. I'm gonna I'm back for revenge, like oh

(19:45):
god please, yeah, wow, fucking John I will I'm back
with your YERI which still too when you think about it, Like,
thank god she had that conversation with Paul Hayman, because
Paul Hayman should be like gold another younger, grown ass man.
He'll beat me up because the other two the idea
of her being like, my boyfriend's back and you're in trouble,

(20:08):
they'd be like, yeah, that's good, that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
That's what I'm saying is like Becky feels like she
is the man in this relationship. No pun intended, because
even the way she was talking to Paul Hayman, that's
the way you talk to someone when you're about to
do some business. That's the way you talk to someone
when you're demanding control. She's not laughing and making silly noises.

(20:36):
Matter of fact, she lowered her voice. The camera had
to like raise the audio and getting closer because she
wasn't audible enough. But that's what added to the way
that she was delivering what she said.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, all I can say in this situation is thank
God Becky is doing good work and now she doesn't
have to be saddled by Seth's shit, and let's see
where it goes. And I'm hoping now that she's able
to state in spite of doing such good work. I mean,
I feel like if they keep giving her baby faces
that are over enough, we're not going to see that

(21:14):
effect as much to where people are going to be like, well, no,
Becky's awesome. And Becky also knows where to keep her
shit in line, like he's not doing anything too cute
in the ring, she's not doing anything too flashy, so
she'll be okay. But no, that was Honestly, it was
a good segment and it tied up some loose ends,

(21:34):
you know.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, I think it also opens up the door to
other things too, because I mean the natural reaction on
what I would assume that a lot of you know,
regular fans are saying is there's no way that Becky
could be the leader of this group. I mean, if
they're not going to respect Seth Rollins, why would they
respect Becky? And I think Becky carries herself differently right
character wise, it almost makes more sense for a guy

(21:58):
like bron Breaker to go, huh, husband didn't have that
kind of balls your husband wasn't doing, you know what
I mean, Like she can fill in all the failures
that Seth Rollins had because we're still under the notion
that the reason that Seth just sat there while Becky
fucking was losing her mind a few weeks ago and
talking shit about everybody is because Seth is a cock

(22:20):
to fucking Becky's beck and call no pun intended again,
But that's what I'm saying, is like, so maybe in
this instance, Becky is proving herself as the leader of
that family of her relationship with Seth Rollins, and maybe
that carries over to bron Breaker and Bronson Reid. And
I like them too, by the way. I liked you know,

(22:41):
the little side end stuff that they had, like Paul
Hayman again, and we're going to continue down this talking
about it for a second. There was that moment where
you know, they were talking about fucking with Paul Hayman,
which is great because why would they respect Paul Hayman.
They shouldn't. And then Paul Hayman came out and gave
them a little better story on look, you could probably

(23:03):
kick the shit out of me and make me look
like a fool and a dumbass. But here's a story
about the origination of brock lesnar, Here's the story about
the origination of CM punk. Here's why I was important
to Roman Reigns' career. And he's he openly said, it's
not about going out there and slaughtering people sometimes, it's

(23:24):
about all the politics and stuff you have to do
in the back. And I fucking love that. Because both
bron Breaker and Bronson read their actual visages, their actual
character work changed from ah fuck this guy to oh shit,
he's probably fucking right. There's a reason where there's right right, yeah,
fucking bron what did he say? Uh? I guess I

(23:47):
still got some things to learn? And then uh Bronson
reads like me too, me too?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Ooh me cookie. Yeah, there was no it was. It
was another segment where yeah, it's a little it's a
little long winded, and it definitely falls firmly into the
category of you know, the used car salesman, which that
is what Hayman is so fair.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Enough, well wrestling salesman.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yes, what lie? Am I going to have to tell
you to stop you from beating me? Like that's he
is exactly that fucking character and He's been that guy
for a quarter of a century.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Almost his downfall is going to be the same downfall
that he always has when he runs out of use,
when he can't get the matches that they want, when
when something doesn't happen. That's totally in Paul Hayman's court.
It happened with the Bloodline, it happened with brock Lesner,
It's gonna happen again. That's ultimately Paul Hayman's failure is
when his mouth can't fucking cash the checks it writes.

(24:51):
So that's the situation you're with with those three, and
then obviously with Becky. But we had some good matches,
I mean, besides the Maxine Becky thing too, the World
Tag Team Championship of aj Styles and Dragon Lee versus
Finn and Forehead. I actually really enjoyed this. I like

(25:12):
the fact that their uh the Judgment Day is openly
kind of separating from Dom a little bit. Dom on
the little pre promo is kind of the odd man out,
which only adds to his character and we'll get to
his craziness too. But yeah, no fucking solid tag team
match to open the show.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Joe Well, I gotta give a lot of credit to McDonough's.
Still I think he's a guy that I would never
have thought would be somebody that would be worth having
on television, let alone do as well as he has. Yeah,
I mean really, I mean for the longest time, I
would see him and I'd be like, this guy is
every fucking short, goofy dude that does leg slappy bullshit,

(25:57):
you know, And and to be fair to myself, and
this is he was right. He was that. I mean,
that was really who he was for a long time.
If you see his shit, I do, mon, Salt, what
do you five six hundred and sixty pounds will be?
We need more of those, you know. But he has
become a character on the show where I find myself

(26:18):
rooting for him as a heel even and wwwee at
this point, and this is where you know, I'm making
a seemingly obvious blanket prediction at this point where they're
going to have to shit or get off the pot
with Jay. So so maybe they're going to end up
putting him in that fucking group with Paul Hayman, because

(26:40):
I don't I don't see what you do with him.
Otherwise you've actively kind of made him a dildo and
it's he's got the fun, fancy free song where he
comes up with THEA but he's kind of just a
dick and his matches are boring and people are just
not fucking like there is a diminishing returns with him.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do is he soling t shirts? I'm sure? Are there
people that still when he does this little song he
dance when he comes out? Are they into it in
the arena? Yeah? Sure, but we've already seen a dip
in that, and like I said, it seems like they're
very fixated at this point on creating this. Will they
won't they? Is he a bad? Is he a bad
jay Uso? Okay, well, maybe you guys should have figured

(27:26):
out that you wanted him to even be like a
babyface that's a tough guy before you put him in
baby blue pleather and had him selling minute made juice.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Honestly, I hope they don't pull the trigger until Gunther
comes back. I want Gunther to have a moment where
he just fucking laughs at jay Uso and the way
that he's turned out. Seriously, if anybody deserves a last
laugh and this jay Usso turn it's fucking Gunther really.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Is, you're a little less bitch pussy.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, see I knew, I knew you had it, didn't.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
You like your bitch pussy enough? You become slightly less
bitch pussy. You are like two milliters less big pussy.
I used to I use the metric system to describe the.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Now he's now, he's triumph, the insult ugget's fine.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But yeah, the titles switched hands from the Judgment Day
and now we've got the new tag team champions of
AJ and Dragonly.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Which is very random, but sure, I mean, yeah, some
of course, at some point all of these and I
do mean all of the members of Judgment Day are
going to be turned face. That would be on my
like if I could make like a twenty twenty six prediction,
all of these people are going to end up eventually

(28:46):
becoming face in some capacity. Yeah, they get they get
too much television time, they sell too much merch, they
have too many matches that are good consistently to where
people aren't just going to eventually be like, you know what,
I don't think I hate any of them, right, Like,
there's not much to hate at some point too. They're young,
they're good look in all of them was, I mean,
with the exception of goofy head, but you know.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh, I'm sure there's some lovely ladies that like a
big forehead on a man. Yeah, I read.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
They see that room for well, you know what, it's
a good target for their punches. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
We also had Dominic Mysterio seeing some action against Russev
in a in a fun match, and it was you
know what, they kind of answered the question that we
were talking about before too, with the whole idea of
you know, will Dominic continue to be able to be
this clever heel and get away with it without eliciting

(29:43):
too many babyface reactions for doing it? And I thought
this was great. He tried to pull that shit on Rusev,
the same thing that he did last week, and fucking
Rusev caught his leg, fucking pulled the ham route and
was gonna bash his fucking brains in until the referee
pulled the ham out of his hand. But it was
just that moment that you took Dominic as a heel

(30:04):
to another heel and fucking and Russev looked like a
murderer with that hammer in his hand. I was like, oh,
do it, dude, fucking do it.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But Rusev is just such a great nineties style fucking heel. Yeah,
him and him and Bronson raid like they're both of that,
like big raw fucking heel that that they're great in
that role. And like I if there's a ceiling on Russelv,
for sure, I think that at this point, because there's
the main event, the higher up card is so fucking

(30:34):
clogged up. It's clogged up.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's about to blow, dude, it is about to I
really feel like when Gunther comes back, a Gunther versus
Russev feud needs to happen. The more who's the more
stoic foreigner that hates America?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
You know, like it's a battle of.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, exactly, man, a battle for.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm like just a growl, that's what they're going for.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Or even them as a tag team, Ah, that would
just be fucking great. It would be great. I think
that they have personalities that would mirror each other very well.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know, well, they're both like promos pretty good, you know,
Like obviously I think at this like Gunther's promos are
much better than Rose's. Rose evs are just raw. It's
just which is fine because it matches him, and certainly
he doesn't betray his image and his look and his
behavior at any capacity. But there is something too like

(31:42):
the main event. At this point, they're really they're really
getting to a place where it's like Seth getting hurt.
There's a there's a heel deficit. They're gonna have to
turn some fucking people.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, Jay, USO's on the way, and you've got other
people coming up. I think Russo, I think Russa. Well,
night's going to be a face night.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You got you gotta fucking no.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
No before he gets the title.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, this is a This is also another problem they have.
They have too many main event guys selling products. So
they're like, hey, Jay, who so you want to become
a heel And he's like, I don't know, man, I'm
doing something for uh her little Debbie oatmeal cream pot said,
I'm fucking I can't be. I can't be fucking up

(32:33):
on television while I'm trying to move these twinkies. Right,
of course, not, I got him. I got important business
to tend to.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, they're doing real well. I don't know if you
saw this, and I don't know if it's on everybody's.
But I was looking at Netflix earlier today on the
top ten shows, and Raw was number one. Well on
the Netflix. That's pretty impressive. They don't usually hit that
number one spot, so good for that.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But they also get the cushion of I feel like
Tuesdays and that like one of their release days, yeah, movies,
and that's what they get that yeah, yeah, yeah, they
get that little window of time where they can fucking
But honest to god, usually when I open up Netflix,
they're at least somewhere in the top ten, unless.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Always in the top ten, but never usually number one.
And especially this isn't right before a pay per viewer,
right after a pay per view. We're already a week
out from Crown Jewel and Perth. So it's kind of
a wild, a wild middle of October to take a
number one spot for them. But good for them. I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It just shows you that they're slacking on their murder
TV shows.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Right well, it will Meltzer acknowledge it. Meltzer will not
acknowledge it. No, Meltzer will complain that the numbers are
unfair and they don't have to do the same thing
that AW does. And the Nielsen numbers, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Which at this point, like I said that, they did
the pay per view this weekend to virtually zero fucking
fanfare other than outrage about them doing that's match wrestling shit.
Which now we're at this point where we're talking about
matches on Raw featuring Maxi Dupre and fucking Becky Lanch

(34:12):
and I'm like, yeah, that's pretty good. Like I actually
kind of had a decent time watching that, and it's like, hey, man,
you want to watch Jean Moxley get stabbed with sticks
for the hundredth time And I'm like, no, not really now,
I'm good, Like I've seen that enough, and yes, I
get it. You know, both you and I we've seen
death match wrestling for fucking thirty years. Nothing new to us.

(34:34):
It's boring, It can be boring, it could be redundant
unless you can get a real interesting person involved. But
at this point, John Moxley isn't interesting, Darmi Gallen's not interesting.
These are just dull, fucking guys who've been doing the
same thing for way too long. And yeah, WWEE is
having people have just regular ass technical wrestling matches or

(34:56):
just regular ass kind of television matches and people are
getting more in fa sit in them. That's not that
is not fucking their fault. Well, that's not a thing
where Dave Melser could be like, World, it's cheating. It's
like it's cheating because Maxine is having more entertaining matches.
That's not cheating. It's just you're getting beat. But I
don't laugh much.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't necessarily think that it's the entertainment of the
matches that draws people into the Maxine stuff. I really
think that you hit the nail on the head when
you were saying earlier, Look look at how long she's
been a valet for these guys. She's been a valets
people that people that the fans genuinely like. She's been
around for all these different iterations before she even established
herself as an in ring competitor, and now that she's

(35:39):
really kind of stepping up in that role, people have
something to believe in with her. She has a backstory.
You know who she is, even if she hasn't been
prominent for all these months or year, you know, years,
it's the fact that she's been around. She's a recognizable face,
and this was her moment to Shine. I think a
lot of those fans were cheering her on, not because

(36:00):
they were really invested in the cool, new technical aspects
of Maxine's match, but they were more invested in the
idea of, look, she's finally getting her moment in the sun.
She's getting her moment in the sun again.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'd of sing and we know who she is, right.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
She's the underdog. She's the plucky underdog in this situation
with the Becky Lynch stuff. And it's because they've been
telling this story for so long that people are invested
in it. If she was in AAW, they would have
thrown her up against I don't know, fucking Mercedes Monet
and that would have been the end of the match
and Mercedes would have made up a belt that she
won off of Maxine somehow. I just this is where

(36:39):
you're at. And that's the problem is that that AW
fan base doesn't understand, or they do understand, and they
don't recognize or they don't admit how important character driven
storylines that happen organically over time matter to what the
value of a match is. You can go out there
and have a match where all the guys only no

(37:00):
punch and kick. But if you have a strong enough
storyline or strong enough reason to want to see these
people punch and kick each other, that is going to
draw people in to spend money and watch hours, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, And it's like I hate having to just to
keep going back to it, but it's just such a
fucking crazy outcome, Like just the way that all of
this is kind of played out to where now they
have this company that people are just continuing to just
the only thing that's interesting about it is how bad

(37:34):
it is. That's it. That's the only interesting thing. At
least for years, dude, when you and I would cover
those pay per views, there was on average at least
one or two things where we'd go, well, maybe that
will be okay, maybe this person will get better. Now
it's just like you have to wait for them to
fuck up in a way that is just going to

(37:57):
get them attention for us or a lot of people
to even want to mention it, right, And like, why
would we because now we're going back to it's like, yeah,
Rod's good Rah was a good show. At the end
of the show, with the exception of that it was
fucking a good watch. Eah.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, no, of course, And it was fine. We also
had the match between Stephanie Va Kerr and Roxanne Perez.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Which wasn't I was a little truthfully, I was disappointed
because I think that Roxanne Sum's going, I don't know
what's going on with her, man. I think she's just
she's so meant to be a fucking babyface that they
keep putting her in these roles as a heel where
she's continuing to go with this and I'm like, you

(38:45):
really trying to make her do something that doesn't fit.
It doesn't fit her, and I think that Stephanie is
obviously talented enough that she's gonna still give you a
match with her that's concise and looks like it's a
television match. But was something here while I'm watching, I'm going,
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I'll tell you exactly what it is For a woman
her size, she is not savage enough to be the
heel that she should be in this Judgment Day group.
Raquel is the bigger one physically and a bigger one emotionally.
Character Wise, she carries herself like a heel. Rock Sanne

(39:24):
is the pretty little, smarmy kind of heel, right Like
that's how she She even comes off mousey when she
was talking to Dominic earlier. When she's that size. If
she's going to be this kind of a dominant heel,
she should be a fucking psychopath. She should be screaming
in the ring. She should be yelling at people. She
should be raking the eyes. She should be doing all

(39:47):
sorts of underhanded shit openly in front of the ref
and behind his back like. She should be in absolute
spitfire when it comes to every match that she has,
Like the reason she should have been believable against Stephanie
Veker is because Roxanne should have been so fucking underhanded
and just pelting Stephanie NonStop with shit, like just a

(40:10):
NonStop pain in the ass. But Roxanne goes out there
and wrestles like a regular wrestler like she don't get
me wrong, She's got finesse, she's got style, but she
comes off as ineffective. She is the weak link in
the judgment day. I don't know what else to say
about her.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I don't know a lot of it is just like
I said, based in being miscast.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, like Dirty Bird said, kicking chicks in the taco. Absolutely,
she should be stepping on Stephanie's chests when when the
ref isn't looking like there should be a lot of that,
There should be a lot of this fuck you attitude
coming from Roxanne. Like Stephanie always does the wiping of
the shoes right, like we all know what that means,
but she should be wiping her feet on her in

(40:52):
the middle of the ring, like there should be a
lot of these just insult in fucking like they don't
even have to be damaging, just being an absolute bitch
in the middle of the ring would tremendously help Roxy's character.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well do you know what it is? And you know,
I hate to evoke the spirit of one of the
best to ever.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Do it, Nicky Bella.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh sorry, yes, of course, none other than the Queen
herself who did make it appearance, which, by the way,
Nikki Bello was throwing more convincing elbows and some of
the girls at this point, I'm like, yeah, that's a problem, ladies,
Maybe some of us need to tighten it up.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I actually was, yeah, well not even just that, but
she took that punch or that fucking elbow or whatever
it was from Raquel, and it was kind of funny because,
for whatever reason, on my stream. Netflix went out for
a second and a half and I'm like, oh, did
she just spurt blood? Like because it looked it looks solid.

(41:48):
And Netflix went to black, and I'm like, oh shit,
Nicky Bell's got red face. But now it was just
like they did.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
A Sopranos thing. Yeah, and then Nicky Bello was never
seen again.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And Nicki Bello went to her home planet.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yes, don't stop believing. Oh no, dude, that was Okay.
This seems crazy for me to say for all the
shit that I have given her, But I almost feel
like Lyra makes more sense in the judgment day than
fucking than.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Do you even have to talk about the Lyras stuff?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I know, but at the least in that situation, like
I can, I could see Lyra being a shit heel
even though they both listen, both of these girls suffer
from like cuteie patuiti syndrome, you know, where like in
regular everyday life. Yeah, that's not a bad get, you know,
to just be like, oh, look, she just seems so sweet.

(42:43):
She seems like a nice, like cute sweet chick. That's like, Hi, guys,
how are you? You're like, oh my god. If anybody
was mean to her. They gotta be a fucking psycho.
But like that doesn't work when you're trying to be
like a badass wrestler, you know, Like I was gonna
say before, it's like it's the Ricky the Dragon Steamboat ship.
Like nobody who looked at Ricky Steamboat was like, what

(43:05):
a dick? Right, what a dick? I can just tell, Like, no,
you could tell. This is the kind of guy that
like he makes when he's walking on the trail, he
makes eye contact with the people and the dog. You know,
he's got a good heart, like a hi doggie. Oh
hi people, you see I'm a piece of shit. I
just look at the dog. I go Hi, I'd rather

(43:26):
say hi to the dog. That's just me. I'm a dick.
But like that's they They are hurt by the fact
that they both just look like your friend's new cute
girlfriend that you're like, hey, dude, don't fuck it up.
They're not mean, right, they don't give you the mean
feel But yeah, no, the big savee huh, yeah, Ray.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Needs a lot more than a new group. But yeah,
Nikki Bella, apparently it was a nip slip, is what
people are saying in the chat, I didn't see any,
but I also didn't know yeah to black because some
some some titty came out?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh? Netflix can't show a titty?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
So but this is also I don't remember what she
was wearing, so I don't know. I'm like, how's how's it?
How's a tit flying out? What were you whatever? I
don't know. It's a ship, right, So it's a Nicky
Bella tag mansion coming. Why am I giving it that much?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Stephanie won, and afterwards they had Nicki Bella giving Stephanie
some advice in the back and I was just kind
of like, Ah, I don't want to see this.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't care, I don't want to see this.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I don't want to see that. Yeah, that was kind
of goofy, although I will say they had the KOBOOKI
Warriors promo, which I really got and it's going to
be a long road for Kyrie Sane, but I thought
that this was the first genuinely good promo she's probably
cut ever ever, because it's the only time that she

(45:02):
or whoever is handling them or handling their characters realize that, hey,
you can't keep being this apologetic sad sack because EO
doesn't want to be friends anymore. You can't continually be
this crying little girl when fucking Osca is three inches
from your face and she's a raving, psychopathic, fucking lunatic

(45:28):
and she hates America, she hates everything about everyone, and
she carries herself in this way that she's better than
everybody else, and here you are, like, oh no, I'm
so sorry your sky, why you hurt my feelings? And
I'm just like Jesus Christ. And this was the first

(45:49):
time that she cut a promo and it came off
with the vibe of I enjoyed it. I tried. I
tried to get through to you. I tried to have
you not betray it. But you know what, it felt
good bouncing your head off the fucking table. It looks
good to me, I understand. And Oscar's like right there

(46:10):
yelling at her, and Kyrie's like, why the fuck are
you yelling at me? And Oscar's like, good job, good job, Minion,
good job Lackeye. About time you fucking got it, And
it was like it was this understanding that Kyrie's saying,
after all this bullshit, finally understands, Yeah, you're a bitch

(46:31):
lean into it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
One might even say she likes it. You might even
say it with a certain accent. I don't know, Maybe
not I would say with that that way.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But she likes it, Joe, that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, she likes it. I mean, I don't know how
you'd say that any other sort of way. I don't know,
but that was. No, You're right, I mean, this was.
It can be obviously almost a little overboard with the
Oscar though, I love that.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Though it's the Dadi Yadi kind of fucking thing. It
seems like it's over the top, but it really isn't.
It's it's kind of really well done. It's over the
top for us, but it really comes off as very
natural for her, just being that psychotic level. It's just
it's great. She's very comfortable in that role, and that's

(47:23):
why it's so believable coming from Osca. But the Kyrie
stuff was absolutely the shits. Kyrie was a fucking body
pillow for the last what four years, Like Jesus Christ,
I'm just so if they're going to try and revamp
her and have her be the killer underling, the fucking minion,

(47:45):
the hunchback, I'm fine with that. That makes perfect sense.
But yeah, I liked them rebranding themselves because they even
finished the promo by saying, the Kobuki Warriors are back.
I'm like, okay, all right, you wanna fucking you wanna
know flashy thingy this fine, we'll play this game. I'll
do the flashy thing. I'll be Will Smith for a

(48:05):
minute and pretend that.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
But at least, yes, at this point too, if they're
gonna bother having these women tag team titles, we have
at least three women's tag teams.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Sure right, We've got at least three.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
That makes sense, Like it's a it's a step where
if you're going to have all these women on television
that you know, some of them are not ready and
some of them they just seemingly don't have a lot
of room for a spot for Hey, at least we
got we got some actual, believable.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Well, you also got the newest tag team of Stephanie
Vakerr and Nicki Bella.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Well, of course, I mean Powerhouse.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Because they led to that too. That Nicky Bella is like, oh,
I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said you
wanted to be my friend, because I think I just
made some enemies out there, and I'm gonna need some backup.
But I'm like, oh, look, Stephanie, Stephanie Vakurr and Nicki
Bella are going to be a tag team. Isn't that sweet?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Do you know how funny that is to something except
where they're like, all right, we got her. She's pretty
you know, it's a pretty serious tough gal, you know,
this dark temptress to dark angel. And they're like, all right,
we got to put her with some sort of vet,
you know, let's see what we can do.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
And it's Jesus.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Uh, it's a it's a very rare instance and maybe
not enough sometimes where we're looking and we're going, uh,
who who's supposed to be helping here? You know, clearly
clearly at this point if you okay, you know what,
let me see if I can try to spin this

(49:43):
in a way to where it might make sense. Is
the intent here to have Nicky's audience, which is the
girly girly girl, girly pop crowd and probably the middle
almost middle aged millennial women that still wear their hats
backwards and ship like are they supposed to now be
like oh, but Stephanie's cooled and pretty and different, Like,

(50:06):
we're gonna give her a chance because obviously the other
way ain't working. You know, Like if you're if you're
someone that's like, oh man, I'm into this goth chick
with her ass ninety eight percent out. She's got a
you know, she's got fucking devil horns and shit, you're
probably not sitting there going like, well, how about this
new fangled Nicki Bella? So is it? Is it the

(50:27):
opposite cell? Like, is that the thought process? Like we
got all the dudes on board with her pretty fucking easily,
Let's see if we can get a certain sect of
the female audience on board with Stephanie too. Is I
don't know, I'm just trying to make sense of this
here other than Nicky on TV hooray or something. You know.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I guess it could be the positive affirmation type story.
But I mean, ultimately, Nicky Bella is going to be
ineffective in whatever role you're putting her in. I understand
that there's a huge contingent of realc TV fans that
still follow this girl, but I think they're just trying
to squeeze the onion that's all they're trying to do, man,

(51:07):
squeeze a couple of onions and see how much they
could get out, Because other than fucking people, turning off
the lights right after their match and having a private moment,
I don't see anything that Nicky Bella could possibly add
to Stephanie Veaker's character, her allure, or her fan base.
I mean other than I don't know. I mean, it's

(51:27):
not even like Stephanie McMahon Stephane McMahon. It's not even
like it's a Nicky Bella is a heavy Latina speaker either,
so it's not even like there's any any connection there.
I don't really understand this pairing at all other.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Than visually, is Zelena hurt?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Isn't Selena doing shit with Malachi Allister?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I get, yeah, I don't know. I'm just trying to think.
I'm like, well, they're kind of I mean, they're not
similar wrestlers obviously, but at least to some extent where
it's like, you know, we could do.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
McAllister, oh, like home alone, McAllister?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah? Sorry, did I say McAllister?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I think you did, or maybe I heard that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I don't know. I don't know what I well either,
way like I said this, So this leaves room for
WWE Shop Zone to sell fearless hats with horns, right
of course, which is important. Yeah, that's a you'll sell
at least three of those.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Of course, Yes, Kevin McAllister home alone. There you go.
We're all home alone. And that's what they want. They
want you to be home alone thinking about Selina Vega.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But that's that's what they want.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I don't want to get too much further before talking
about the main event without addressing the great Adam Pierce
opening up raw very solid, very into his character once
again probably the best gm WWE has had in a
long fucking time. The guy understands his role as an
authority figure and even though he's a bit part character

(52:59):
man that that pops for him. He knows how to
lead the crowd because you know, like he opens up
and was like, Oh, they're gonna have we're stripping seth
of the Belt and then you had the mixed reactions
of Yay's and Booze, which was fine, and he's like, oh,
we're gonna have the championship match and where was it
Sacramento or what I forgot where they actually.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Said yeah, oh, yeah, they weren't Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And and then they kind of gave the yeah boo
thing again and he's like, but we're having the Battle
Royal over the top tonight and they fucking It's just
it's real simple A to B shit. That's very eighties
and he just understands it. He understands how to pace
himself to let the audience control the narrative and then

(53:45):
go back and fill them with more information for them
to yay boo some more and then go back. He
really is a good dancer when it comes to being
on the mic and being in that announcer type GM role. Man.
I really like Adam Pierce.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
And he's grown without looking old. Let's not forget that.
That helps too. Like he's he is a grown man,
like you see him. It's not like they're trying to
do with like Rock's daughter, where it's like, look at this,
this fucking child with no personality and no business acumen whatsoever,
seemingly is supposed to be running a company. This doesn't

(54:21):
make any sense. But Adam Pierce looks like here's a
middle aged man, but he doesn't look like death. He
looks like he could still you know if need be.
He could get between a fight, he could get between
a scuffle and you wouldn't go, oh my god, this
guy's gonna die. Like he has a lot of positive
attributes and like, I think the biggest thing to take

(54:43):
away from this.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
He's not a snivily guy either, right, So bron Breaker,
that entire that entire segment when they were out there,
you know, Adam's like, I need the fucking belt back,
and bron Breaker's like, I don't like the way you
said that. Show a little respect on it. And so
Adam come right back and he says, respectfully, I want
the fucking belt back respectfully, and fucking Bron's kind of

(55:06):
laughing to himself that he gets in his face, and
Adam doesn't back down right Like that's the commonality of
a lot of the gms, with the exception of all
this when he was doing it, but for the most part,
a lot of gms immediately, oh, don't hit me, don't
hit me.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
In the face.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Oh no, And fucking Adam Pears is like, respectfully, give
me the fucking belt back, respectfully, please, And I was
just it was delivered, and he has the face like
the pained face, like I can't believe I'm I'm telling
this asshole, please, But he does it so well. He's
able to get from point A to point B without

(55:44):
being cringe worthy bad. But at the same time you
realize he has to do this because it's his job. Ultimately,
Adam Pears is out there doing his job and it's
a he's good at it.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
And there was a split second on the ramp too,
but they showed his face just for a second where
you could motherfucker like he was making that face this
just you know, trying to fucking embarrass me. Pieces like
it wasn't like, oh I'm scared, It was quite literally
like fuck that, what a fuck?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
And then and then you don't know what he did
later on he said fuck this guy and he actually
fucking did something like can you imagine that? Like do
you know the number of times where me and you
have had these conversations about where it's like there's an
authority figure and I'm like, well, why is that guy
allowed to like basically beat that guy almost to death?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
And then like the authority figure's just nowhere to be found,
Like it's like, wait, shouldn't shouldn't the GM come out
and be like I'm suspending you or like so you
need to fucking go home.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Like so rare when an authority figure actually matters. But
Adam Pierce has been obviously written very well. He performs
it very well, like I'm god, I mean not since
Jack Tunney has a man moved me in this position
as far as w w W.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah, oh no, I know what you're saying, Like it's
it's like, flip the legs up in the side.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, no, dude, just the toes there, Matt, just the toes.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
It'll come. Pierce for no reason gets up in there.
Uh no, dude, it's it's fucking it's nice to see,
Like it's like, Okay, he does a really good job
at this. He's believable the way he talks, like you're
just like he's just talking.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
It doesn't sound overly scripted, it doesn't sound phony. I
do think it's unfortunate that they don't have any sort
of ship that they can show the audience where it's like, yeah,
we know that he was a wrestling or he looks
like a wrestler. But like, I wish there was something right,
something that they could present to the people at some
point where it's like, oh, look, you know the guy,

(58:10):
the guy wrestled for twenty something years, can't find nothing,
can't show that right ever, right, I don't know. I
don't know but that, but still I guess at the
same exac time, it's better than not having him there now.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
And then we get the the over the top battle
royal and Jay who so one.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
To no one's surprised. I didn't. I don't care for this.
I just I just don't. I'm not gonna be the
person that ever falls in line with this Jay Huso thing.
I think the brother is now, Like we're getting to
the point where it's like me and you were warning
of this a couple of months ago, or maybe even

(58:50):
you know, a month ago or less. Jimmy is more
of a human than Jay is. Like he comes off
more like a fucking person, whereas Jay comes off still
kind of like Kamanahammadahamana. And there was a point where
in the bloodline when he was that tough guy with

(59:10):
the fucking grill and uh getting in people's faces. It's like, okay,
that that works, but you changed them over and made
him the dude coming out in a fruit roll apout fit,
fucking putting sunglasses on kids. You want to put that
fucking genie back in the bottle. I don't know if
they're gonna so it's kind of boring. And you can

(59:31):
tell by the way too. You can tell the crowd
where he won. They were. I know, I get told
that apparently my hearing is bad. And there's these imaginary
giant pops for some of these wrestlers. But did it
sound like to you when Jay won that there was
an outpouring of excitement and Joydan no or even a boo.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
It was deflated. I think there was a lot of
people that were expecting La Night to win. Oh no,
it was maybe even Jim because they had their little
back and forth in the in the locker room or
whatever where Jim's talking about he's coming for his.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
All right, which this is And I guess that this
is a position that they're putting themselves into once again,
too many babyfaces, not enough heels, where it's like, if
this wasn't punk and this was a viable heel trying
to go for the belt and you had Jimmy Uso
as the babyface getting the shit kicked out of them,

(01:00:28):
that would be better that that would be good. I mean, truthfully,
all these Saturday night main events and showdowns in Saskatchewan
and fucking Bedlomen, fucking Uzbekistan. You're gonna have all these shows,
They're not gonna all be the same six fucking guys
in the main events. In the semi mains, you gotta

(01:00:49):
put some different people in there, even if we know
that there's no fucking chance in hell they're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Is anybody believing that Jimmy Usa was gonna win the
fucking World Heavyweight Championship. No, but at least in that situation,
if you had a viable heel to face off against him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Well, he's going to be going up against cm punk,
So that's why he has to be the heel in
this scenario. And him and cmpunk have a history, So
as far as the creative writing goes, it does make sense.
They're doing the continuity manager thing again, Joe, And unfortunately
it's one of these things that has to eventually get closed.

(01:01:27):
And I think that that's what this is going to
lead to, is the final chapter of j Uso and cmpunk,
whatever happens there. So it was necessary for jay Uso
to win. I just preferred it wasn't. I prefer they
could have kept this storyline on the back burner forever.
I don't really care about Jay USO versus cmpunk, But

(01:01:49):
if you're looking at the way the story has been written,
this makes sense. This makes sense. It makes a lot
of sense. It just it wasn't interesting when it was
happening the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I just think of the idea of them having, after
the year that they've spent making him Poochy the Dog,
with his entrance and all the fucking kiddy toys and
all the bullshit that has been attached to him, for
them to just be like, oh shit, Seth's hurt, and
then kind of like race to turn him a heel.

(01:02:23):
But we also know that even if they turn him heel,
he's still doing the same entrance, he's coming out with
the same music. He's still going to try to do
his Poochy the Dog act. We know what it's gonna be,
So it's not like you're gonna actually invest in truly
changing the guy. It's just gonna be like, well, now
he's bad that it's the same exact shit he's gonna

(01:02:43):
give you, that same exact match it's gonna be super
kicks and boredom, but now he's bad, Like, no, thanks, right,
you know, It's just they had Punk win that match
because they obviously knew in their mind they were going
to revisit the fucking same exact well of Punk Versas.

(01:03:04):
They're going to beat that fucking match to death. They're
going to beat it viciously. We're going to have to
deal with it as long as sat is on television
and Punk is still willing to fucking work regularly. But
this putting Jimmy in that position, motherfucker. There's no fucking heels.
There's no heel, like a straight up heel for Punk

(01:03:26):
to work against. It's not even like an La Night
like at least that's something different or fresh. It's just boring.
That's just what pisses me off is the rest of
the show they were doing stuff that was fun or clever,
or they were building towards something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I think we're being greedy. I think we're being greedy.
I think it's really interesting sometimes when the mid card
is more interesting than the main event. And I know
you're not supposed to think that way financially, right, but
I'm kind of looking at it, like I'm more interested
in what happens to the mid card guys because eventually
this tops are gonna get flushed out. You yourself opened

(01:04:03):
up the show talking about how clogged the main event is,
and I think everybody can see that. So I think
there's more investment in watching how these mid card talents grow,
watching how these Russevs grow, watching how the Judgment day
and dominic mysterio grows. Like there's more of a reason
to pay attention to these guys because they're the ones

(01:04:25):
that are hungry, that will be there. And I know
Russev and La Night are up there in age, but
they're the next ones. They are the next ones. This
shit show has eventually got the flush when it comes
to the main event, and I think by that time,
when we start seeing a lot of these mid card
guys step forward and become these Rustlemania main event guys,

(01:04:47):
I think we'll be singing a whole different tune so
us dealing with Jay Usso and see them punk and
the seth Rolin. Shit. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be this
for a minute, but we gotta get through it, because
once upon a time, it's the same vibe that people
had before. They were excited about seem Punk, they were
excited about Seth Rollins, go figure, they were excited about

(01:05:07):
Jay Lusso. But it got stale. And it got stale
because of either lousy talent or lousy creatively or whatever
whatever have you, or just the fact that they you know,
they're on TV three hundred and eighty nine days a year,
So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
And also and also the fact of and this is
where my continuity meter goes off as well, and just
the overall production of the show. How many people last
night on the car did a six? One nine?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Not enough? I think not enough?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, four three, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I was really upset that Nicki Bella didn't get to
lay down a few her self.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So yeah, well that's it. It's like there's there's shit
like that where I'm watching it and I'm going, yeah, no,
wonder you're having issues because you're doing in ring shit
that's amateur, Like you should know that, like not everybody,
Like if you're going to have the undertake on the show,
but that's all you get to do, the choke slam.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
But that's a whole different group of people that are
running the show though, I mean the people that are
running the creative storylines in the directions of where these
guys are going aren't necessarily the same people that are
formulating the match, right, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
But this isn't it's a failing of the of the agents.
And it's also a failing of like this matters to
the show, Like this type of shit matters to the show,
And it also matters to who's a heel, who's a babyface,
who's supposed to be getting over? Who are we pushing?
And it's also where you put yourself in this position
where Okay, well, why do we have no heels? Oh,

(01:06:40):
because they're all getting the same reaction. You're getting the
same thing. You're getting enough of the same thing to
where people are looking at it and going hmmm. And
that's also where there's a difference between a three hour
long ww raw or a three hour long WWE pay
per view and a seven hour long aw pay per view.

(01:07:00):
You see the magic trick too many times. Last night
I noticed there were what three people or so on
the show that did the fucking six one nine. Now
imagine you're washing an aw bay per view and seventy
five people have done a fucking pile driver or power
bomb through some shit like the magic trick gets old,
and that's where you have a problem with people starting

(01:07:22):
to get over and that's where you start having a
problem with people getting over his heels.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
But I don't know, it's like it's a communication issue really, honestly,
what you're telling me right there, it doesn't sound like that.
The problem is is that too many people want to
do a six one nine. It sounds like road agents
aren't communicating with other people or other road agents about
what's going on in the matches.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Well, I mean, I don't know how I could ever
think such a thing. I mean, how dare I be smart?
Jason Jordan's if.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
There was only a device that people could use to
instantly tell someone else from across the room what's going
on with that job? Yeah, maybe one day Elon Muskle
figure that one out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
So yeah, when he's when he's done training the robots
to be racist kid. On top of that, No, the
funny thing is this man like they could quite literally
have a fucking You could give them all the fucking tablets,
the two hundred dollars fucking tablets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Two hundred thirty seven dollars on Amazon, right, now I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Know I'm getting fancy, pal fancy. You get them the
nights with the with the thick plastic case, right, yeah,
And they all open a word document and they put
for each of their manches, who's doing what, what, what moves?
What important spots? Have an open description and understanding of

(01:08:50):
who's doing what, And then you just fucking scroll through
it and you go, hey, okay, no, no, dude, you can't.
You can't do that spot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
People what if they don't type, joe, what if they're
what if they're pickers, they're henpeckers, then what do they do?
They're not going to be able to write all those
crazy words and numbers like six one nine, That just
it takes a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I am being really really fucking What's what's the word
I'm looking for here? I'm a I know, I'm a
big fancy Northern boy who believes in typing and writing
and spelling. You know, I I get that. I'm just
a regular old fucking fancy pants up here and the
uh in the old Great White North. But yeah, it's

(01:09:35):
like these are simple ways that they could just communicate that, hey,
what's so and so doing in their match? Oh? Then
you don't do that shit in your match to yet.
I mean, that's all it's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah, you know, no, I agree with you. But honestly,
everything that you're describing now sounds like it's a communication
issue between the groups, that's all it is. So it's
not even necessarily a all fucked jay Uso kind of
thing or why is everybody using a six to one
nine kind of thing? Like, it's not a creative issue.
It's more of a structural issue between the people doing

(01:10:05):
the matches, Like it's a whole different department. Right, don't
yell at the mail room because somebody sends you a
box as shit, Right, It's not the mail room's job
to know what's inside the package. It's just their job
to make sure that it goes to you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
So well, there's also this too, and I think they
you know, going back to if you have the Undertaker
on the show, nobody does the choke slam, unless I
guess Kane because he's his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Ah, yes, yes, my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
But I think it's to do my moves. If you're
going to have jay Uso be pushed as a main event,
Babyface or Heal. At this point, seventy people on the
show shouldn't do the super kick, right, imagine that. I mean,
I I know at this point that they treat that
move like it's a fucking zuplex or something. But like,

(01:10:59):
if you're going to push guy is your main guy
or you're gonna push him as one of the main
events stars, then you tell everybody that has a goofy
fucking tag match that they don't do the move. Yeah,
like it's that easy. If that's what it's supposed to be,
then you got to do that. But by the way,
I don't even know why I'm even saying this, Like,
wwe should know that, but I don't. I don't know.

(01:11:21):
I'm just being a negative Nancy. The show was fucking
ninety percent good, so what am I? No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
That was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
That's why you have to pick on the minutia because
at some point you're like, well, it's mostly good, so no,
But you're.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Right, it's little things like that that could make the
show better, you know, having the excitement of each match
being a little bit different. Like I said, my big
surprise was seeing Maxine out there, whether rehearsed or not,
but seeing Maxine out there doing well for herself. And
being a little innovative. I love innovation in a wrestling match.
When you get to see even a variant of something
we've seen a million times before, it just has enough

(01:11:54):
personality in it to make it somebody's as opposed to
just everybody doing everything uniform. That's what drives me crazy
about AW Everything is the exact fucking saying. If all
of those super kicks had some personality to them. And
I know it's a weird thing to say, the shows
will still be boring, the shows will still ultimately be

(01:12:16):
too long, but at least you'd be able to see
a little bit of flare out there where that's it's
more enjoyable to watch. So I agree with you. W
w E RAW was good and h Yeah, I think
we can get ready to wrap this up. Much love
to the people hanging out live in the discord, and
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Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I don't want to get into that, but yeah I don't.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
You've been asking, Ye may but they're lucky to have us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I look, I saw what with it? But uh yeah,
it would be interesting to be sent to all these
Maybe maybe they'd even fly us into their headquarters and shit,
because they have those little Patreon like meetings slash cons
and stuff. Wouldn't that be nice? Get back on a
plane and go on the West coast?

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Yes, sir, Oh that's where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Where's west?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Where's Patreon located?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
If I was to take a gamble, I'd say San Francisco,
But I'm for sure they're on the West coast somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
So imagine if they, like, if they were somewhere in
like the depths of Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
God, wouldn't be great if they had Mark Maron announce
us again and call us fucking losers, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
He's just sitting there, He's just like, well, at least
they're not at least they're not doing all day, Joe
Rogan's to I've honestly, God, I gotta get the fuck
out of here. But I've loved I loved watching this
shit fucking implode. I've really enjoyed it in a way
that I shouldn't, watching all the podcast ship and watching

(01:14:00):
like Rogan be mad at Mark Marin was like, he's
a meanie and a poopy pants. He's a meani And
I'm like, Joe Rogan, you're almost sixty fucking years old. Yeah,
it's I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I love Karen, I mean I love Mark, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah, well well this but this is the thing, Like
Mark is not saying anything about him as no person, right,
it's all the critique on his work and his show
and what he's doing. But because Rogan has no actual
retort to what's going on, instead, he's just like, well,
Mark is just like a bitter hater man. I'm like,
you're a twenty five year old. That's what a that's

(01:14:38):
what a kid's doing, like a fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Of his work, though, I mean Mark is kind of
a bitter hater as far as professionally goes, So.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, maybe you're a hater man like him saying that,
I'm like, God, yes, fuck And also like it's exhausting
to me to hear that and to see it because
Andrew Schultz is doing the same thing. He's sucking up
Joe Rogan's because.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Of Fultz is a weird dude, though I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
He sucks he fucking bows. He's one of those guys
like he's just like he'll just feel whatever fucking container
that he needs to show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
The middle of the comedy scene. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
That's flattering almost honestly, it's a he's just like this
like code switching yes, yes, oh my god. Where it's
just like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
His personality is whatever girls in the room, that's what
it's perfect, right it is?

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Oh dude, yo dog Yeah, gee, y'all believe y'all eat
pussy with two fingers. Ge. I'm like, you're a fucking
forty year old, white, fucking middle upper class dork from
New York City. Stop trying to fucking fit in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
God, he's such a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Yeah, But like Schultz is, uh, how do you bubba
the bubble the love sponge to Howard Stern? If Joe
Rogan is supposed to be the Howard Stern, that is
what fucking Schultz is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
If that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
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to UH the YouTube guys, Dan and uh myself and
Joe just shout out to us. Much love to the
Discord guys too, Thanks, Sean, thank everybody else. Peace follow
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