NIKKI BELLA POWERHOUSE or THE LAND OF THE RISING DAUGHTER (Wrestling Soup 9.9.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Wrestling feup for a mature audience.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't develop.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Rustling soup. I am Anthony Thomas, he is Joe Numbers.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah there was some Yeah russelly happened last night, dude,
that was That's something else. Yeah, I don't know, man,
Rob was Uh it was okay, I guess it was
better than last week. I'm just hyper focused on the
wrestling world right now. Is that everybody I know that's
in this area that's a big fan is sending me
fucking screenshots of Ticketmaster and stub Hub and all this

(00:40):
other shit of how badly they're trying to rake people
over the colls for that last raw scene of show
match whatever you know they are. They're all pissed. They're
all pissed off.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I mean, I guess we can just start it off
with you, Hold on a minute, Will I close the
window from all these cicadas?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I was gonna say, is pee wee Herman behind you,
just slowly letting the air out of a fucking balloon.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I forgot to let people know that I moved to
the jungles of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Apparently No, was it the ghosts of Paul Rubens.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's what I thought it was I thought these things
were supposed to be dead for another seventeen years, dude. Anyways,
So yeah, no, I mean, look, and I know we
talked about it now three weeks ago, which is crazy,
and it became this big national story for a hot minute.
But the Stephanie McMahon dropping the VPN stuff multiple times
on her show, and I saw that we talked about

(01:34):
this in passing. I think last week as well, ESPN
had a response and Netflix had a response on Monday,
No boy, and their response on Monday was to put
ads on their premium tier. So the funniest thing about
this is is you pay Netflix Premium so you don't

(01:55):
get ads, and now Netflix is putting ads on their
premium tier. Which it had a couple of side adverse
effects because it cut out AJ styles as promo. He
had a promo where he talked about Machine. He had
a promo where you talked about Luke Gallos. He had
a promo basically hinting at the end of his contract
he's getting out of the company. So it was kind

(02:17):
of a big deal promo and I don't know if
that was part of the deal. But Netflix Premium now
has commercials which goes back to what me and you
were talking about before that Stephanie really is one of
the boys, because her dropping that VPN stuff to get
pass to circumvent Netflix ads really just does go to

(02:39):
prove that she's trying to at least somewhat help and
monopolizers or monetize herself at the same time. You know
what I mean. It's kind of like, if I gonna
help you and get paid for it, I'll do that.
And that's what Stephanie Mick maahon is doing right now.
Because the only people that didn't see all these extra
ads and commercials, of course, are international people or people

(03:00):
using a VPN.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So oh my god. Well once once again, it goes
back to the fact that these big companies think to themselves,
they're like, yeah, Americans will put up with anything. They
can just go fuck themselves, right, And on some sort
of sad level, I don't think that they're wrong, because
for all this talk, there's still gonna be people that
pay for this fucking ESPN thing. There's still people that

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are gonna be like, I bought the spot the Spotify,
I bought those Netflix premium, YouTube premium, I bought all
the premiums and I'm still stuck watching ads for Geico,
and they're still gonna watch those guic ads. They don't
give a fuck. They're gonna just keep doing it, and
the companies are gonna keep taking your money and fucking
taking away anything that makes it enjoyable. But hey, you

(03:44):
know what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Sephanie. Sephanie doing that though, in a way, was like
your buddy that tells you some sort of secret or
something like He's like, hey, man, the fucking if you
buy this at the store, they're all scanning for like
a dog, right, It's like, oh man, they're all scanning
for adult. Yeah, they're supposed to be one hundred bucks
or whatever. People are like, oh shit, okay, I got

(04:06):
it for a buck. And then Stephanie just went and
told the whole world and now that's what you get.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, well, I see that chocolate obviously, uh white chocolate.
And Doctor Brian right on Monday night RAZ they stream
in our chat and they were saying that they were
having issues with Netflix, saying Netflix block them for using
a VPN. I've already had this happen to me months ago.
And the trick is is to find the country that works.

(04:32):
That's why when she said Canada, like I think, I
initially went, ah, I use a little further north. But
when she said Canada, I never had any luck watching
Netflix from Canada. I always had an issue where Netflix
would block us. But if you find the right country,
if you find a country where they don't really regulate

(04:53):
your VPN at all, you're fine. You're fine. Just just
keep clicking different countries until you find the right one.
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, just keep looking for the ones that is going
to give you half ass in English, and then just
make sure you have that one noted when it does work,
i'd suppose when they have to be it. Wait, so
were they gonna if you use this ship, because I
obviously haven't done it yet. Yeah, is it gonna put
captions on it? Like close captions on it? Bottom? No?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, no, no, everything is everything is in English. You
can turn close captioning on and off. I mean, it's
still Netflix, right, It's completely Netflix. The only issue that
you might have is a lot of the auto detected language.
So when you go to view through Netflix, everything might
be in some foreign language, but you can look at
the pictures and tell what w w E. RAW is

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because it shows you a picture of w W E. Ross.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh okay, and the whole show is in English right
now that I'm just like laughing at the idea of
putting it on. And then it's just being like aj
Lee comes out to cut the promo and it's like.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh, swah yes, I recognize the Swahili dialects you have there.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It was, Oh, well, thank you. I've been I've been
practicing very good. Yeah, yeah, I've been using my what's that?
What's the app?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
That would be great, dude. I think I'd watch more raw,
I'd watch more wrestling if I could just change the
language and everything would be dubbed. Everything would be dubbed.
I would prefer it too. If I, like could switch
it over to India and instead of having Indian women
speaking the female roles, I want Indian men in high
pitched voices speaking for aj Lee. That's what I.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Really Oh, I thought you were gonna say you wouldn't.
You wouldn't try to switch it to an Indian language.
You just ask for in specific accents. You're like, I
just can you just give me Seth Rowlins promos? But
in an Indian guy accent.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh you mean the woe Man.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh, so there's the man and then there's the woe Man.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Can we is that what they're calling him?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
The woe means well, all the fans go whoa, Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Nothing would surprise me.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, that was no. I think they're working with that.
That might be the thing, the man and the woe Man.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
So fucking Christ, how about the go Go go man go.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Holy shit, See how gender progressive they are. The man
is actually a woman and the woe man is actually
a man.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Wow, they're really really making strides over there. WWE is
really doing that. They're doing the hard work.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know what I mean, doing something really Yeah, Monday
Night Raw was headed its ups and downs. But let's
talk about openly the aj Lee stuff, right. So aj
Lee came back.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
This was the most important thing of the show.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Obviously, she came back on Friday for SmackDown. I think
me and you had a different response to it. I
am happy that aj Lee is back. I think it's
great and we absolutely need her. However, I did not
like the presentation of it, and I'll get more into
that when we talk a little bit about you know,
this part of it so when so the segment happens, right,

(08:02):
aj Lee comes out there, the music hits, blah blah blah.
It gets to the ring and the fans all start
cheering the whole welcome back, which was nice, and her
initial reactions to everything are everything you expected her to
to be. You know, she's very emotional. You know you
can tell it on her face. Man, she is a
horrible poker player. You can just tell because you can

(08:23):
read every emotion this girl has directly, which is great
for acting and great for WWE, horrible for poker. Yeah,
the fans chanting welcome back may as well have been
them really saying, please help us, please help us, because
that was the vibe that I got on Milwa.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Please say they're trying to push Nikki Bella again.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh okay, well we'll get to her.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hey, we'll get to that too.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I really do like her positive affirmation gal Gimmick.
It's oddly nice to see because it's honest from her.
It's genuinely honest from her, and it's nice to hear
on TV once in a while. I don't know it
suits her, just like it would Withmorrow if he ever
decides to come back. But aj Lee is great facial

(09:08):
cues during the promo, you could understand her direction and
her feelings from across the room. But that's when the
Mayon comes out, the manon, and Becky comes out and
all over her own promo saying this has nothing to
do with your husband, when in fact, the prior promo
that she had even on SmackDown said it has everything
to do with seem punk and then went into a

(09:30):
ripple effect of how sampunk matches have ruined her in
Seth's lives. So just dumb writing, but whatever, Yeah, and
then the woe man comes out and the aj Lee
segment in the ring with Seth is interesting. I disliked
her initial debut right because they did the pomp and
circumstance first with the music and everything, and it sucked

(09:51):
the air out for me. I really didn't like that
if she was supposed to show it so cm punk
qualifying Becky on Friday instead of just basically calling her
just a woman as an insult. But by the way,
we remember this as a TV show, right, so Phil
won't get in any trouble if he's being a dick,
right or are we now too sensitive these days? But

(10:14):
it sucked out the air for me. However, on Raw
they altered the course and did what they should have
done on Friday, but in reverse. Joe AJ being cute
preventing Seth from getting the belt by stepping in his
way like Becky did with Punk was great, but they
didn't hit seeam Punk's music. They didn't have to. They
didn't announce oh my god, look who's here Cole or

(10:37):
Joe because they didn't have to, the audience started cheering
as soon as they saw him, and AJ got the
f out of the ring. Punk just put us or
tried to put Seth in the GTS, which he got
out of. But we're gonna have to pay to see
that happen again.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
But I love that.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Seth tried to sound all hard, saying Russell Palooza too,
can Yeah, we're gonna have a taking Poloosah. I mean,
can we get a can we get Great Balls of fireback?
I mean, if we're going to treat Wrestle Palooza as
a series event name Great Balls of Fire needs to
recount or actually, maybe Joe, we can come up with

(11:15):
some new wrestling event titles like Into Deep or six
Men on My Face or I said, your mom's a slut.
Let's fight about it. You know, like these are yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know I mean mish mish. Those are two creative
wrestle palooza. What a fucking okay? You know what was interesting,
I will say, and you did point out the obvious
what they were trying to the story they were trying
to tell. Here was the first time it was this way?
You know, it was one way around. Okay, here's Becky

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or you know, blah blah blah, and Becky touch her
promo and then pondc hast the same interaction, and then
Seth obviously has the inverse of it where Seth, you know,
stands up a half mile away. Well, if Becky slaps
Punk in the face and Seth's just like, eh, doesn't
fucking do anything. And then Punk, when he feels in

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any way, shape or form that his wife is being
talked down to as the baby face comes down, breaks
the thing up. You know, fuck you, motherfucker ain't gonna fly, right,
So they told that nice story. I will say this,
and I have to give them all the fucking credit
in the world for this. A j Lee is the end.

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She made note of it and It was kind of
funny because I'm sitting there, I'm thinking to myself, this
is self awareness, her being the millennial pixie dream girl. Fantastic.
She nails that role. She nails it, and that the promo,
I mean, is the promo sitting there, is it like
her husband where he's gonna, you know, four score and

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seven years ago and be absolutely you know, I'm coming
up with all these lines and singers. No, it's not that,
but she does a great job with it, Becky in
this situation. For what it's worth. Two, this was good
for Becky. Becky was actually great in this promo because
she did a good job as the heel, as the spoiler,

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being annoying in a way that was reactive and also
playing off of the shit that was said the prior
week or prior two weeks. So she did a very
good job with this. I liked everybody in this segment
Surprise Surprise, other than Seth, because I just feel like,
at this point, you've got AJ and Becky, which you've

(13:35):
got something interesting in there, and they're doing a good
job in their respective roles, and we're back to again
CM punk trying to keep fucking Seth rollins, afloat and
interesting outside of his entrance, and that's kind of all
he is. He's a fucking entrance, that's it. And Punk

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casts to carry his ass around too, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
We're no, no, you're you're right. And that's the problem
is Seth is supposed to be the most important figure
in all of this, but people are more excited to
see aj Lee and Becky go at it than see
them Punk and the Woe.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Mass and Seth because they've gotten it fifty times, all.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Right, right, No, of course that's what I'm saying. Next,
at that point where Cmpunk tried to gts Seth and
he got out of it, I'm just thinking to myself,
I'm like, oh, we're gonna have to pay to see that.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yay, yay, it would be and by the way, we've
already seen it, like they just right the element of
And it sounds crazy coming from me because I'm not
always the guy that's like, yay women's wrestling one hundred
percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It should always you know, we need to have ten
women's matches on a card or whatever. But in a way,
aj and Becky with them in the corners I'd almost
rather see that the husband's in the corners, that is,
than them to have like a mixed tag match, just
because I feel like I don't care about seeing Seth.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Feel like that's more to protect a j Lee. I
don't know, I guess what she's like in the ring.
I mean, we can we can talk a little bit
about people that make their returns after a long period
of absence, like a Nicki Bella perhaps versus Oscar.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Oh, don't you put that evil on this on sweet
as a Lee? But j Lee by accident will do
better than fine.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
No, I know, but that's got it. That's what it
feels like to me. It doesn't feel like Oh. I mean,
obviously the storyline reflects husband and wife versus husband and wife.
Storyline wise, it makes perfect sense, and I understand it.
But if I'm looking at this from a fan's point
of view perspectively, I'm thinking this is done here in
case anything, if aj feels out of place or doesn't

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wrestle correctly, or she this is a cute.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
And in case of emergency, break glass and drag out
to your husband. Yeah, I get it exactly. It does
make sense. But at the same time, the kid like, Okay,
the kid gloves were definitely needed for Nicki Bella, clearly, yeah, clearly.
But if Becky is this alleged fucking amazing war course

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that we're supposed to be seeing, she should be able
to drag a drag. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Have a match with aj Lee for ten to twelve
minutes where she gives her heat ninety percent of the match,
and then the end is spoiled by Seth doing something
to fuck up to finish and Becky pinzer or something
along those lines. And I'm sure they're working towards something

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like that, but I'm really starting to feel like, here's Sets.
He gets his butt boys, he gets his manager, The
manager disappears, the butt boys disappear. Now we tack the
wife onto it. Now we attack aj Lee. Now we
tax you our taxi and pun. I know, but like
how many toppings we got to put on this shit
Sunday before we realize it's like all about making Sets

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appear better than he is. You know, I.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Agree with that, but I'd rather have him and Becky
together than him holding Bronson and bron breaker back Monday.
You know, I know we were bouncing all over the place.
But I liked bron Breaker and Bronson together as a
tag team with the USOS. Obviously the La Night match
with Bronson that was great, but I like the idea

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of the USO's back together, Like there's a lot of
layers that happened on Monday, and it was obviously I
respective to a lot of things that happened on Friday,
which is good, even though Sposely Triple H wasn't even
around on Monday. But yeah, the aj Lee segment was great.
She's a great character, and I think that, you know,
maybe some people misremember her career and think that she

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was an average wrestler at best. I think she did
great with the tools that she was given. I can't
imagine how great aj Lee's matches might be with some
of the female talent that they have out there today.
I would expect that her matches would even get better
than they were ten years ago. Consider if if if

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she's in the mental capacity or the physical law. Obviously
physically she looks great. Jesus Christ, that girl didn't look
like she aged a day. I think she knows like
she got younger. I'm like, how does that happen. You're
younger than you were ten years ago. How how did
you pull that off? Genetics?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, the funny thing is this, and I mean this
was no shade to AJ, but if you look at
Nikki and you look at AJ, it's a tale of
two trophy wives, you know what I mean. Sure, And
I'm not sitting there trying to completely ride, you know,
run AJ down. I just I'm just saying, no, no, I know.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's because they've both had, you know, prospectively great lives
in the real world outside of wrestling, and I'm sure
they have. I mean, AJ was Actually that was an
interesting part of her promo to Joe, was her talking
about the therapy and stuff, and even the crowd in
Milwaukee was chanting for therapy, which I actually found kind

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of heartwarm and amusing at the same time. I'm like, Wow,
what other sports audience or entertainment audience would start chanting
for therapy by the thousands?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know? Well, well, you know what the funny thing
is this, they need it?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Just a bunch of fun loving drunks out there in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well that's probably why they needed to Yeah it, dude.
It was a fun segment and like I said, I
really think AJ did a good job here. She was her,
she was unique, Like she's not doing the same, it's
not just uh, way to't go. And she mentioned dreams.
She mentioned her dreams, and I go, oh boy, let's

(19:44):
not please, don't mention, don't go down that out. Yeah
I know, I'm right. And by the way, like I said,
trophy wife, and I think people took that in a
negative but like, let's you know, she's at home, she's
doing work and all that and whatnot. But I mean
her husband's a fucking millionaire television star.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah. No, no, I guess that's the way you have
to put it. Right, Like, if AJ Lead, she's.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Not wanting for much, that's the point.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I'm getting a J Lead chowse not to work for
the rest of her life, she'd probably be just fine.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, she's gonna be okay, Right, She's gonna be right.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's and that's what you meant as opposed to trying
to paint her as a Stepford wife. I think that's
what people's minds go to when you say trophy wife.
They're like, ah, she's not a Stepford. It's like, no,
she's not.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
And by the way. Let's also be clear too, that's
quite the trophy. She's funny, she's fucking gorgeous, like yeah,
that's uh hey man, she's gonna yeah, we gonna say
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh no, I was gonna say I loved her shots
against Becky in the book, like she was promoting Becky's book.
But she's like, yeah, you know, I just I don't
know about that, and then she does the little face
hand thing and I'm like, oh, that's cute.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
We remember we saw some of it. I saw the
little portions of Becky's book, and yeah, I'm gonna assume
that aj as much.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I still have it in the plastic. Drew Andrew Andrew
Carlark got it for me last Year's for my last
year birthday, I believe, and I still have it in
the plastic. I think I read like maybe a chapter
and I didn't get through it.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, there's also this point too, and I think with
WW talent and you know, obviously we're going back a
quarter of a century when we mentioned some of these guys,
like the earlier books obviously, like the Ghosts Written half
assed book by the Rock, Yeah Foley's book and shit
like yeah, it was very very good, but like, we
didn't know these people the way that you can know

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them now because WWE wants to do a biography on
you the second you're popular for ten minutes. So a
lot of the times now where they're like, yeah, so
and so wrote a book, and it's like, I feel
as though I know enough, dude.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
My book from cross is still not here yet. I
ordered it and I think the beginning of August, and
I'm still waiting for the book because my dumb ass
ordered it. I think I got it on eBay and
I got it from a Japanese seller because it was cheaper,
and so I'm like, oh yeah, I'll say five bucks,
I'll order it from here. I didn't look at the seller,

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and so I have to wait for this to go
through economy speed pack from Japan that's getting sent over
by their fastest snail. I don't know what it is,
but I'm still waiting for his for one book. It's
not like I ordered like a hundred things, right, I
ordered one book and I'm still waiting for an American

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book written by an American wrestler sent to Japan to
get sent back to me. And I don't know and
I still I have a tracking number, but I don't
know if you've ever used speed pack before. They really
don't you win, it's gonna arrive.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
They just yeah, yeah, they win it. Don't worry. They
got one of those paddle boats, like the ones where
like back in the early nineteen hundreds where you could
like like a bicycle.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well, it's on the way. They got sent back because
I had something else that I ordered from Japan and
they stopped it at customs and they sent it back
to the actual people and they hit me up. But
they're like, yeah, dude, sorry, uh, we tried to send
this to you, but customs kicked it back to us.
So we're going to resend it. We have to pay
the terriffs on it.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, they shouldn't have fucking put that pound of black
tar heroin. You asked for it.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Japanese black tar Heroin is the best, though, Joey, the best.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
You're like Mexican coke, Japanese black tar heroin. Everybody knows
the best ones. You know, you get it, You get
them where you can get them. Yeah, I don't know, dude.
Some of these people though, like the books. Like I said,
at this point, you know enough from the from I
can't even call them shoot interviews anymore, constant podcasting, constant

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exposure online, Like you gotta have something really really in
the in the fucking in the chamber to make an
interesting book at this point. But yeah, I don't know.
I would say that this was a major one segment
raw that was the main thing from this show. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I'll want up that because I think the big the
big turn of so obviously, you know, at the beginning
of the show, we had Bronson read yeah, and Jimmy
and Jay out there with Bronson bron Breaker, and then
there was the fisticuffs and La Night shows up and
starts clearing everybody out, and there was a point where
you know, Jimmy was gonna get thrown in the corner

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on top of Jay, and La Knight stops himself. He's like, well, brother,
you're okay, and Jay's like, just relaxed, dude, He's like, yeah, fine,
I'm fine. And then Bronson I think it was Bronze, right,
it wasn't Breaker. I think it was Bronson. It comes
running in and La Knight does the dip, gets out
of the way. Jay just absor orbs the ass whooping
in the corner, and obviously that sets it up for

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later on in the night, after the Brons and Reid,
you know, wins over La Night with interference. They continue
on with the segment and Jimmy and Jay and La
Knight and Bronson, Reid and bron Breaker are all out
there with fisticuffs and La Knight's got the chair and shit,
and eventually they clear the ring and then there's this
touching little moment where you had La Knight and Jimmy

(25:27):
kind of doing the shaking hands like you're good, dude,
and he's like, yeah, I'm great, I'm fine, blah blah blah.
Here's a fist bumping shit, and then Jay just super
kicks La Knight out of his trunks and it was
like and Jimmy's like, what the fuck? And it's like what,
Jay's just like what.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I got bad advice from Roman Rain said, now I'm evil.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
J I don't know if he's evil, I thought, I
don't know how to take it. I wonder if that's
kind of like a come up and for letting Jay
get his ass kicked earlier in the night, That's what
it felt like. I don't necessarily immediately take that and go,
Jay's a heel now and they flipped, you know, flipped
characters like Jimmy's now the baby face.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
It is important for La Knight to be constantly made
like he should be wearing a dress. That's important, I
do like you have. You have to constantly beat him
like a fucking rug. Otherwise how are we supposed to
know that he's so important?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Hey, if Bibido can't do it, La Night sure can, all.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right, So, I honestly, God, they gotta figure out some
way to give this man something. He's constantly losing. He
never actually wins the big one, nobody like like at
this point, I watch matches that he's in, Yeah, and
it's it's honestly a gift from the audience that they

(26:52):
even count his pinfalls. You know, he's not waning anything.
The last time he won a match was when Set's
fake to fuck faked real to fake the knee injury.
Last time this motherfucker wins anything, He's never gonna He's
never winning ever. No, so they keep putting him in
shit like they put him in the main event here.
And I'll give Bronson complete credit words too. He is

(27:15):
really falling into that role as like the big boss man,
you know, yeah guy, Yeah, the guy that fights the
guy that's supposed to be the main event talent. He's
gonna win six sixty percent of the time, give or
take depending on who he's fighting. Like, I guess he'll
beat in La Knight, right, but he's not gonna beat

(27:38):
a fucking Seene Cody, you know what I mean. Like
they're kind of putting him into that role, but the
La Knight, It's like, how do people keep buying into
this guy? He's gonna all those anything.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
All those Candace Candace's Husband squash matches have actually taught
him how to sell really well. I love Bronson read
out there. I really did.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He did good man well, and I think he's been
and honest to God at this point. I and this
is gonna be sacrilegious and I'm gonna be fucking I'm
gonna eat my balls on this from some people. But
unless he really really starts picking it up, I see
more in Bronson at the least in Ring than bron Breaker, right,

(28:21):
because bron Breaker his timing is awful. Dude, He's out
of place all the time, and his shit looks weird
and his bumps look weird, like he's he's a dude there,
And I keep beating this point over the head. But like,
if there were house shows, I'd fucking marry the guy

(28:43):
to AJ styles and be like, Okay, this is how
you have to learn your timing. You have to learn
how to fucking like bump and feed and saddle and
do all this shit because you can cut a great
promo and make an angry face and look like a
fucking steak cop that beats his wife, But like you
gotta do something, like your timing is fucking awful, right right?

(29:04):
But Bronson, like you said, Bronson, apparently finally the spirit
of Johnny Gargano has left him and he's starting to
look like the guy that works with the guys.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
And I'm glad he's don't the shoot the Shoe was awful,
so it's kind of like he's he's dusting all that off.
But him being a serious contender is believable to me.
I don't know if I'm ready to write off bron
Breaker just yet. I know what you're saying about, you know,
his timing, and the guy still feels like he's in
the learning phase sometimes and I see it. I see
it as a fan, and it's it's kind of disheartening

(29:37):
because I think bron Breaker at this point should be
much more crisp, Like there are things that he does.
His spears are still phenomenal, they really are. Like when
he hits you, it looks great. He looks like an
actual killer. But there is a clunkiness about him. There's
a clunkiness that you notice sometimes. And I mean, once

(29:58):
again not to compare any buddy Nicky Bella, but when
you think of clunkiness, you don't necessarily think of bron Breaker,
but you do think of somebody like a Nicky Bella
And uh yeah, so Nicky Bella had a match with.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I'm sorry, it just made me immediately think of Bronson
with the backwards right look, but you care touch stop
touching me?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Hey, wasn't it? Wasn't it the last event clash where
she said that everybody gave her a standing ovation when
she got to the back.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Isn't it a man? By the way, I presented that
piece of information to a couple of my buddies at
work and they were like, well, what are the people?
And it was so weird because I was not expecting
this reaction. They were like, well, what are the people
supposed to do? And I'm like, I don't know, man,
like fucking give her some soft critique even like we're like, hey,

(30:53):
that wasn't that wasn't your best work. You shouldn't be,
oh my god, another masterpiece, Like don't do that.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's a business. They should be able to tell her
what they think. Anyways, Look, I understand if it's another
wrestler trying to speak their mind or whatever, maybe that's
not the right person to do it. But isn't that
why you higher Road agents? Isn't that why you have
trainers and booking And I don't know, Paul, Like you know,
like aren't these people capable of telling you if you
did good or not?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know, how about you do a third of what
Bruce Pritchard does to Abyss? Yeah, just a third of that,
Like it doesn't even have to be Bruce Pritchard standing
over and basically like restling his nuts on his shoulder,
making the poor guy have a panic attack. But something
being like ah, not so fucking sure about that, Like
this wasn't this wasn't fantastic?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, I mean when when Osca doesn't look good in
a match. You know there's something wrong, right, Can we
just be honest about that? And I'm not saying that
Osca was looking poorly because she's a bad wrestler by
any means. This was clearly a no chemistry was had
kind of match, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
So it's amateur hour. I mean, this is NICKI was
very very dare I even say bordering on passable in
a time where women were expected to do way way less.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Look in the ring. I was called out on it
before too. The previous guy that we had talking to
us about Perth kind of blames me for that because
I think I was bringing up bringing back Nicki Bella
over Live Morgan at some point, and so this is
a long term hail Mary passed that. Maybe it's my
fault because I wish that evil upon us and now

(32:42):
I got it. But Nicki versus Oscar is awful. Nicky
looks worse than Jade Cargill out there. Please tell me
that everyone sees this. Nicki needs to be an attraction
for WWE, not a week to week player. Something is
missing if it was ever there, and Joe going to
end up with someone getting hurt in the future. Look

(33:03):
and I'm not saying that she has a history of
that or anything, but clearly Nikki is not where she
was even ten years ago. I don't think you can
teach an old dog new tricks. She's not aj styles.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And we're also at this point too, where it goes
back to once again, the people I know that are
trying to go to this rash show and it's what's
for four hundred, five hundred, three hundred. It's a shit
ton of money to go to these shows, right, you can't.
You can't pad your fucking shows with terrible performances. At
this point, do you know how over I feel like

(33:38):
in twenty twenty five you have to be to not
be even half decent in the ring, you have to
be so insanely over And I don't even know who's
at that point where they're that popular that you can
be that shitty Jade Cargiles mentioned early. Yes, well, say

(34:01):
Seth can be boring. And Seth has the same exact
matches he did in Rohi in twenty twelve, but like
he's passable. He looks like he's doing the thing, He
does the things correctly enough to where you go, all right, sure, great,
but Nikki Bella was bumping like fucking hacksaw Jim duggantt
in the early the early two thousands of late stage

(34:23):
of WCW. I'm like, guys, enough, get her out of there, right,
And I understand when you got a fucking a bird
girl having matches against Raquel, which was another thing on
this show where I'm looking at it and I'm going, uh,
do I have to be a little bit more gracious
to bird girl? Because bird Girl jobbing to Raquel is

(34:47):
still something better than watching Nicki Bella attempt wrestling again, right,
isn't that? Yeah? Isn't that?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I guess that's the one thing where you have to go,
all right, Well, you know, her getting her ass kicked
by Raquel still looks better than Nicky Bella attempting anything.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I've been tippid on the Raquel fan fan wagon for
a minute now, but Raquel has shaped herself into a
beast of a woman. Right. There was a point there
where before she left the first time, because she was
dealing with personal issues and injury and stuff, where she
had kind of lost herself. And when she came back,
she was she was I guess wrestling in a very

(35:29):
tepid kind of style of herself, but she's become kind
of a beast of a woman after Kevin Nash kind
of pulled it out, you know and made a very
public look, why you wrestling like you're five foot two?
Go out there and murder these bitches? And I love
her change, Joe, sign me up to her newsletters. The
Tahana bomb on Bird Girl was.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I love that finish. That's a good finish.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
That was satisfying. So yeah, yeah, Raquel. Raquel might be
another sleeper hit from the Judgment day. It seems like
whoever touches this eventually finds themselves in the right direction,
finds themselves in the right dress.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Well, I don't see Raquel becoming that like a big,
big star, but once again, like that's what she's and
once again she's a big boss. Man, She's a big Like,
that's fucking that's cool. That's not a bad spot to
be in.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Right, You're necessary, You're necessary to make the real stars
look great. But being necessary is good enough. It really is.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Taking up with Grande Americano at this point.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
That was fun too, man, I loved that match. That
was a nice back and forth. Uh, even when Dragon
Lee and shit got involved, but I want to see
more of that. I don't know, Well, what did you think?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well, Honestly, the more we're talking about this now, I'm like, Okay,
there was some decent shit on this R, but I
mean compared to the previous weeks that have been pretty
pretty goddamn rough. Uh. Yeah, the match with a J
and Ronde Americano AJ, like I said, I wish he
was they had him married to a fucking younger dude

(37:07):
on house shows, and like he needs to be teaching
these guys how to fucking work right, And like you said,
as I'm almost out of here, I'm going buy buys
in the car like he's hinting that, And somewhere in
my mind, I'm like, Okay, even if we're doing this
as a story where it's a AJ's pissed and he's

(37:29):
not gonna take it anymore and he's gonna kick some ass,
I'm like, okay, So find me a fucking spry babyface
and has a shit together. Oh my god, I'm an idiot.
That's what they're gonna do with Dom, isn't it. Wow?
Maybe they're gonna circle it back around with Dom where
AJ is gonna be the heel and Dom's gonna be
the baby. I hope, I hope that's the direction they're
going in, because that's what he should be doing. He

(37:52):
should be bringing somebody up to that level where he's like, Okay,
this is how you. You gotta match his intensity, you
gotta match his timing, you gotta fucking start to follow
a pace. And honestly, if a babyface Dom goes against
the heel AJ for five six months or something like that,
I'd be pretty goddamn god dude.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
There was a promo though that we didn't see that
Netflix viewers in the US did not see because of commercials,
but during it it was an off air promo on Raw,
and he said, for the first time in my career,
I've got no one watching my back. Gallows Anderson, they're
not here, Michin, she's on SmackDown. It's like someone orchestrated

(38:33):
away from me, not to win anymore, not to have help.
I'll let you make up your own conclusions. By the way, Uh,
we are here right now and all over the world.
But to the rest of everybody, it's a commercial break.
I'm telling you something that you're probably not supposed to hear,
but somebody doesn't want me here, what we're going to
do is you're going to beat the piss out of it. Okay,
and that's what he said. But what what you're going

(38:54):
to do is beat about a grande Americano tonight so
that the person that doesn't want me here anymore can
feel a little bit of his pain in mine also.
And it feels like it's totally a storyline, which is
really interesting that if this whole VPN thing is part
of advancing WWE storylines, it really is meta, do you
know what I mean? Like, Hey, you wanted to see

(39:14):
this storyline by Stephanie's surf Shark VPN code named Steph
in order to watch the storylines that you don't get
to see. And now it's this really weird surreal thing.
And that's why I kind of opened up the show
with it. It's this really weird surreal thing that Americans
are going to miss a storyline by following the rules.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well, you better make DLC for Americans. Everything needs to
be did you miss thirty seconds of a could you
not wait until Twitter fucking puts it up? Then you're
asked better fucking by this thing?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Smart it's smart. It is whether Netflix I mean everybody
gets paid. I mean, Jesus Christ, think about it like this.
The VPN works so well that everybody gets paid. So
the whole idea of getting behind Stephanie and Serf Shark
and getting the VPN, well, now you get to watch
the full uncut shows. Netflix Premium is now deciding the

(40:11):
show commercials, which pisses off some people. But if they
don't get a VPN, then Netflix gets paid by those
people that chose premium and still get commercials. Everybody makes
money on this. Everybody in every which way gets paid.
It is wild. It is a wild loophole. I did
not think of it. It is three D chess in

(40:32):
a two D checkers world. It's a great move. And
if they start doing this with other storylines, do you
remember and WWE kind of did this way back in
the day where they had their phone app, and if
you had the phone app, the WWE phone app, while
commercials were going on raw, you could look at your

(40:53):
phone and watch what was happening in the ring during
the match and you never really got much out of it,
but you to bypass the commercials. That's essentially what WWE
is redoing now, but using a VPN instead of a
phone app.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I think, I yeah, I remember that happening. Well, dude,
the AJ Styles thing, this to me is kind of
funny now that you mentioned it and the way that
they presented it at first, and I forgot to bring
this up, but it's almost as though we're leaning into
the AJ Styles as a conspiracy theory guy thing, almost
a little bit like somebody doesn't want me he or like.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
He's a great conspiracy guy too, because you know.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, right, who is it? AJ? Who'se they? Who are
the people that are alse to get you? Like? That
is almost what's the word there? It's it is apropos
It is a life imitating art, you know. But I
don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm it doesn't end up being the gay community, yeah right,
just just picture of it does get to that point
where there's like they just don't give a fuck at all,
and AJ souths just like I think it's the Homo
six RUPs that don't want me own the tav no.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
More like what what ag it's my large following in
the gay community that you see now I'm I'm old
and look I'm not as sexy to them.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
As I used to pay and she's like a j Well.
I mean, man, if there's anything that we know for
sure and would never happen, is that a deeply religious
person has hidden homosexual.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
We need aj Lee to go back to the Bailey haircut.
That's all we need, right when? Bob?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, yeah, I wait, wait did you say that? Did
you say that Bailey the Bailly haircut? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Don't you remember when you had the.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
The fuck are they doing a well? They make they're
making this bitch in to Mojo Rowley. How sad? Oh well,
it's sad man.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's not even just her Stephanie Vecker right, veck her?
Oh yes, she got taken off of raw. She was
supposed to be un raw, and they quietly just shushed
her off. So nice.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, she's incredibly attractive and talented and has good matches,
so you know, make sure get her out of that.
We got Nikki Bella to attend to God. That's important.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I think there might be something to that conspiracy though, too.
I saw people bringing that up. Why is why isn't
Stephanie vickay on vic heer on? I don't know, is
she on via the coortion thecursion. Yes, yeah, well do
you know what put her on?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And this is where I do somewhat get it, and
I take my tinfoil hat off, a J. Siles esque
tinfoil hat off for a moment. Maybe you don't put
her on Raw because you had just brought back Age Lee,
so you put her on SmackDown even, you know, like
I could almost see where you would say to yourself, hey,

(44:08):
we got this. Like ten years she hasn't been on television.
She's like a big fucking legend to a lot of people,
a lot of the fans that are in their thirties
and shit. And she's also a really good looking Latina woman.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
I still think it was very dumb about to split
her and Julia up so fast. I really thought her
and Julia coming up at the same time they were
going to be the two woman power trip kind of vibe.
And they said you're on SmackDown, You're on Raw, And
I was like, oh, well that was a fun week, you.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Know, yeah, like this makes too much sense quickly and
it ended as suit as humanly possible. Yeah, I in
a way, I guess now I look at it and
I go, maybe it was the Becky being like, nay, nay,
you're not going to fucking overshadow me. But now we're
getting to a point where we are taking this chick
and she is new, and you're going, Okay, you gotta

(45:01):
compete with Becky getting the fucking rocket put on her
because of Sena or see him punk and aj Lee
and all this other shit like that's gonna go on
and you're gonna be there too, and is asking a
lot of her I'd suppose, but yeah, put her in
SmackDown then, for God's sakes, why why? I don't know.
It's it's very funny to me that they put themselves

(45:24):
in these predicaments, and with the guys, they seemingly don't
give a shit what the man, it's like whatever, you know,
just just throw them on TV. Like I said, Hey,
La Knight's over. How about he wins one match every
six to eight months. That sounds good, right, But with
the women, it's like, we gotta play it. We gotta
play it because this is the one that we're pushing

(45:44):
right now where this one's returned. But yeah, man, I
don't know. At least she's not Bailey, let's put it
that way.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
The only other match that we really need to talk
about is russ versus Penta And.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I was good.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Think it was passable. Yeah, I mean it's not going
to be the explosive stuff we got from Russev and
Seamus out of Paris. But I mean maybe I was
expecting a bit more. But maybe it's just because it's
a little bump in the road. I love both guys,
but they passed the time with a good match, That's
what it was like. I don't know if there's going
to be a future between these two guys and Russev

(46:21):
is going to make Penta or whatever. But Rusev did
do a podcast talking about his future potential with John
Cena and.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Would you like to face him before he retires?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Oh, there will be absolutely, yes, sir. But I will
I heard him, yes, sir. Will I beat him, yes, sir.
So maybe I'm not going to be an appropriate opponent
for a farewell johnstona.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Tour because you're going to hurt him too much. That's
just what I do.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And who do you think will be a great final
opponent in his career besides me?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Besides you? You will be great of course with midsize.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
You well, I think he's gonna be a great passing
of the torch if I just get to beat him.
I mean, yeah, that would be a fantastic farewell for him,
you know, because he started my career now I can
end his, which is going to be very appropriate. And
karma always strikes back, you know at the end of
the day.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
So yeah, that was on Vox catch.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
But I like it.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I like the idea, and I think we brought that
up before, way back in the day when Johnsena first
started the retirement tour. How cool would it be to
see guys like Kevin Stein or Russev to be the
ones to be the final opponent or the final acts
in John seen his career. Now, you know, obviously the
Kevin Owens thing is on the back burner because we

(47:47):
don't even know. I mean, we know how he's recovering.
Supposedly it's better, but we don't ultimately don't know at
the end of the day, what's really going on with
Kevin Owens other than Kevin Owens and probably the WWE office.
But the idea of Rude being the guy to finalize
put the final nail in the John Cena coffin that
would kind of skyrocket his career a bit. I really

(48:08):
feel like it.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I don't see it happening, but I like Rusev giving
that as an as his answer. You. I'm glad that
he didn't go on there and be like he is
a legend, and he is, he's very cute, and I
was like to give him eskimocuses like a lot of
these fucking guys, would you know what I mean, He's
saying exactly what you should be as a monster, brute

(48:32):
guy that sits on people and breaks their back and
makes them humble, right, like he's he should say I want,
I want to fight Sena, but they're not going to
give me Sina because he knows that I would. You know,
he would never walk again, like good, good.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Right, Yeah, it hurts him too much, there will be
too much pain.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
All right, that's good, I mean, but by the way,
I can't help but feel that that's what Gunther would
say too, which is, yeah, this is what heels are
supposed to do. Yes, this is what a good heel does.
I mean, I know this takes a lot of explanation
to people. I mean, they don't have sing alongs and
macarena dances accompanying their fucking entrances. But that's what it's

(49:15):
supposed to be. And it's unfortunate now at this point
because I'm looking at it and it's like, Okay, Sina,
this whole run is winded down, and there really is
some shit for him to do, and his body definitely
is not holding up. He's not, Yeah, he's not. This

(49:36):
is I don't think this is going to be one
of those situations we're seen is gonna find the fucking
fountain of youth and show up and start doing cartwheels,
And I don't want it to become sad. That's I
don't want that for the guy. For all the shit
that we could have given Sena for fifteen years about
being supersena and pushed and all that stuff. At this point,
I like him so much as a person. I love

(49:59):
his I every movie he's done for the past like
three or four years. I've watched all of them for
the most part and thought they were really funny and
liked them. I love him on the Peacemaker. He seems
like a really fucking actualized, good human being. The last
thing I want to do is start seeing him have
wrestling matches where I'm going, oh, no.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I think he's past that. And it's a weird thing
to say that about John Cena since the guy was
the epitome of WWE wrestling for so long. It's not
even do I want to see John Cena and WWE
for the next ten years. I almost feel like he's
graduated wrestling. He's really done everything he could for the
business for himself, as far as his wrestling persona goes,

(50:42):
as far as a competitor goes, Like, what else could
possibly be there for John Cena other than maybe putting
over new talent and making other guys look good? But
how long are you expected to carry that mantle for?
You know? John Cena has become like you said, you
brought up his Hollywood stuff. Of his outside projects almost

(51:02):
demand as much, if not more, of him than WWE
does at this point.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And they're all enjoyable, like look good, like listen. He's
not winning a fucking Oscar anytime soon. But there's more
projects right now by Sina in the past few years
that I've liked more than anything The Rock ever did, truthfully,
I mean really, and I know I compare them a lot.
And then once again it pisses people off when I

(51:28):
do that, but we're talking about an asylum of star
and wrestling that transcend.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
They both graduated. Let's be honest. The Rock absolutely graduated.
But the thing is is there was a point where
Rock sold his soul. And that wasn't just a WWE
bit or an angle, but there was a point and
I think it was maybe Disney, maybe it was when
they had the Rock wear a two fairy dress or something,
but there was a point where he traded his badass

(51:53):
persona that he had for years, you know, as the
Scorpion King and as the Fast and.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
The Rock graduated, but he paid the really really smart
Asian kids to do his homework. Yeah, basically that's his
level of graduation, whereas Sena he did the work.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
But he was the quintessential action star and when they
started branching him out into other things. Don't get me wrong,
him and Kevin Hart were fine together, but when they
started branching the Rock out and other things, because The
Rock thought he was charismatic enough to hold comedy, it
really kind of backfired and it really dehumanized, or I
want to say, lessons the badass role that he built

(52:29):
up for years. So when you have John Cena, a
guy who's always been a little less than serious, playing
silly roles or being kind of a comedy character. And
I will do you like these these moments that John
Cena does. It works in the real world because you
can see that person in wrestling and on TV, do

(52:50):
you know what I mean? Like the conversation of John
Cena's in ring career and his in ring character are
not that far off from the movie roles, the TV roles.
Even the silly game shows that he's done like the
guy is a lateral move. So whatever you liked about
John Cena and WWE reflects the guy that you're going
to see in the movies. But with the Rock, for

(53:13):
a while there absolutely the guy that you saw on
TV in the WWF and reflect what he was doing
in movies. But not forever. Like as time went on,
the Rock started doing crazy thing like what is he
He just lost two hundred pounds of muscles, so he
becomes birdman? Is that what his new role is? He's
the bird he was.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He played in that movie that's about the MMA guy,
boxer guy or whatever that And I mean no, I'm
talking about now. Oh kay, Well he lost all that
weight because he put on all that fucking muscle to
play that role, right, wasn't that yet?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
No, he's losing the weight now, he's what is he
one hundred and seventy pounds and he's lost all the
weight to play a role called the Chicken Man. I'm
not kidding. And it's like, how am I?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
And it's like how am I as a fan? Right,
even as a younger fan? How am I supposed to
look at the Rock as being this big badass of
the Samoan bloodline, the head tribal chief, the boss, the
final boss. When the guy looks like his skinny high
school nerd in his in his nineties and playing the
role of the chicken Man, he's.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
The his giant roid head too.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's awful. And you know what if John Cena, maybe
the smartest thing that that man ever did was he
never took himself seriously. Where the Rock's hole persona was.
He was always serious. He was making fun of you
and he was cracking wise and it was hilarious. But
the character always took himself seriously. So now when you
see the Rock in these outside roles, it's hard for

(54:46):
fans to disassociate one with the other. And I think
that hurts his credibility in WWE. Obviously he doesn't do shit.
It doesn't hurt his credibility in Hollywood because Hollywood will
love to just prostitute out any name they possibly can
can for a flip of a coin. But John Cena
is the same guy in and out of the ring.
And I think that's like you were saying, that you

(55:07):
enjoy him more as a person now, I think that's
the growth and arguably, and I know we've had this
discussion before and people have called us crazy for it,
but I still stand in the camp that John Cena
is better seen than the rock John.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Oh yeah, at this point for sure. Right, But I
don't even think that's I don't even think that's debatable
by anybody that's being fucking honest with themselves.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, it's called lizard Oh I'm sorry, let me clarify.
The movie is called lizard Man. But he is playing
the role of chicken Man in the movie lizard Man.
There you go, there's the clarification and joy there you go.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, this is this in the the skibbitty toilet film universe.
Is that what this is?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I have no idea dude, I have.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Jesus fucking Christ. Oh my god. Jared Seena at this
point has so much goodwill from the multiple things that
he has done to make sure that he's not even
just necessarily perceived that way. But is that way? You
can't do a million fucking make a wishes to a

(56:13):
bunch of like really really fun funny movies and become
someone who's sort of omnipotent in all of these different
he does, ad reads and all this other shit without
also being like a complete suck ass blowhard who takes
himself too too seriously. Like you said, I don't know, man,
I just think that I'm you know, if it's Sina

(56:35):
walking away now is, unfortunately, for the people that are
watching this shit, the right move, because there is a
huge difference between the perception as a man in your
forties or in your fifties and what we're seeing with
the Rock, who I think is teetering on it or
even like a batista. Uh, it's a it's a it's

(56:55):
a different hump, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Especially this says another guy who sold sold his soul,
because he once again he changed, like there was a
point where he did the hospital movie. I forgot what
it was called off the top of my head. Obviously,
he was great in Guardians of the Galaxy. He had
other roles where he was playing the badass. He was
also in Doom. He was also was a blade runner.
Like I mean, the guy has some top tier movies

(57:19):
under his belt, but Batista as a person does not
reflect the character that he was. It doesn't reflect the
roles that he plays. And I think that's something is
hurt by him to the fan base as opposed to
once again Hollywood, who will prostitute out any name to
flip a coin. It's just it's a different type of
person where.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
And I know that, like like Keanu Reeves and John
Wick will prove me wrong in this situation. But he's
one of those people that's like the exception but also
not the rule.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
If you're a guy in your forties doing these kind
of action movies and tough guy roles, you're seen as griddle,
you know, like a grizzled tough guy. Sure, you know,
is like a weathered kind of badass. When you start
to do it in your fifties, people look at it
and go, yeah, I still don't get a twenty year
old guy would kick the shit out of you. Yeah,

(58:10):
you know, that's when it starts to cry, dude. The
same thing happens with like Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible
fifty five. It's like, dude, you're at sixty years old.
Nobody thinks you're jumping out of a fucking airplane. Stop please, right,
we don't need to do this anymore. But yeah, seen,
it was right to get out at this point, at
the time where he is early to mid forties. He'll

(58:31):
be okay, but it's still fucking as a bummer that
he's going. And now he's most likable I feel he's
ever been.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
And this is gonna sound weird too, but I think
as far as Batista and The Rock Go and even
Stone Cold when he was doing a little bit of
his movie, I think their size was very dependent on
their Hollywood fame, right, Like the fact that they were big, huge,
action looking stars was one of the reasons that Hollywood
stereotype them in those roles. John Cena, I could see

(59:04):
slimming down to like the Rock size right now, and
it wouldn't affect him in any way because even though
the guy's always been built and a big guy, his
charisma has always been first and foremost over anything that
his size was so and obviously when you and I
don't know if you actually saw the What's Your Story

(59:24):
with Stephanie and John Cena talking for three plus hours,
but you really get a sense of who he is
and how well adjusted and understanding and empathetic the guy
is as a person. And maybe that's because of all
those years of literally doing make a wish for thousands
of kids that are no longer around with us. I'm

(59:44):
sure that really adjusts your personality and puts a lot
of things into perspective. Or maybe it's just him learning
from the failures and the missteps of people before him
that did make it to Hollywood, that did make that
money outside of WWE. But I think, if any but
he has a chance of being a real success story
from WWE and doesn't have to live the Andrea the

(01:00:06):
Giant lifestyle at the end, it's gonna be John Cena,
because that's the most suppressing story to me still to
this day, is Andre the Giant in a hospital bed
watching the Prince's Bride over and over until it was
all the done. And I loved Andrea, but it's just
when you talk about horror stories. Literally, your body was
your own prison, and you just watching your last great

(01:00:29):
moments in the sun until it fucking fades.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
It's Seth Seth Rollins will go in his hospital bed
watching him in a Day to Remember music video, over
and over again. Yeah, yeah, I like that, Dame, just
a breakdown me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
His theme, just his theme song playing on lead here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
In the home, in the nursing home. It's just over
and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Say they can call up those violinists and just have
him play a song on violin for him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I like the idea of him place and they're just like,
is there a ghosts It's like, oh no, that's just
old man Colby right, remembering the days. Yeah, oh noces.
But by the way, is Notchamore heard or something? Where
the fuck did he go?

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
He's probably gone with the the next person I was
about to talk to. Uh oh boy man miss is
having a bad week because he doesn't get dirty feet
no more. Sarah Logan has been quietly moved to the
alumni section of WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I thought she was gone a while ago.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yeah, but it was an official and now she's with
the alumni, so we talked about it in June that
her contract wouldn't be renewed, but now it's official. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I love the idea of you being like, she's not
there's still a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yes, there was from you, and I was like, look,
they can they can change their minds there. They could
be like, you know what, WWE needs somebody with dirty
feet right now, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Now, And it's like, no, right, you know what man
that people say, you know, you're to sit on the bench,
right but if you're not there to sit on the bench,
you might never even get to call. You might not
even get the chance, like you said. They might be like, yeah,
we need someone to come in here and I don't know,
step on step on pies or something, fruits, maybe some

(01:02:22):
sort of fetish thing, and they're like, we have just
the goal and maybe it could have been her, but
you know you all right, Rose, Rose got a job
for at least the next six months.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, I mean long term, thinking Joe long term.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
He's good for the least until t KO realizes that
they're there and uh no, they're getting pushed again on television. Good.
I like the Viking guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
They could always rehire WWE could always rehire Riddle for
my dirty feet quota. I mean they could, they could, yes,
Riddle of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
His fucking pink pigtails showing up. Dude, he is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
He's getting blasted cross like Booker t put him in
his place. I think RVD even said something like Matt
Riddle is is really kind of becoming a gag too,
not just the fans, but he's just saying random. It's
like he has to bury everybody all over see him
Punk and aj Lee. It's like, dude, what are you?
What are you doing? Stop?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Well that was that was so weird when he said
he was like, yeah, she was like fucking a bunch
of people, and that's coming from me, who fucks a
bunch of people, And I'm thinking of myself. Well he's
saying that, I'm going, all right, Well, we all watched
AJ's storyline on television two anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
So even if you read her book, crazy is my Superpower.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Number One and she's like, yeah, she's fucking around with
all these people or whatever, and it's like a part
of me where I go, Yeah, they'll give you storylines
like that to fuck with you, obviously, of course, but
also at the same time as somebody that's like an
OnlyFans creator is supposed to be so sex positive and
all this shit. It's like, oh what, wait a second,

(01:04:10):
A really attractive woman in her early to mid twenties
around a bunch of good looking people was fucking what,
No way, I'd hope.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
So, but didn't they go to church on Tuesdays? Didn't
they all right, I'll take the sacraments and drink the
blood of Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
You've got all these people with fucking abs and big, fake,
fucking tits and like they're just like, you know what
they're doing all day? They're just playing pickleball and reading
the Bible. It's like, no, they're fucking they're fucking each other.
Mandy Rose did some interview a couple months ago or
She's talking about there being a HERP TODARP outbreak in
NXT and I'm sitting there looking at it and I'm going, well,

(01:04:52):
I almost hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, was clean it up in the ring because I
guess there was some HERP to DIRP left on the mat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, well, dude, you think they're not going to be
fucking like It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous to think how much
if somebody if somebody paid you on a dare. How
much would it take for you to lick the ring? Matt,
We'll flick the dirty spots. I mean, I've I've been
on enough. Really fucking That's what I'm saying. No, you

(01:05:24):
know what the answer is, no, just for the reason
of you don't want to get mersa dude, mersus real bad.
That's real bad. That'll fuck you up, like long term
I now, I mean if we start getting into like
people's specific clothing, then that's we can haggle on that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
No, but I mean I'm just thinking of new wrestling
angles that seth rollins can do, Like, oh, if you
lose this match, you have to lick the ring, you have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
To pup Punk's like, can I please wrestle someone else? Now?
When I And by the way, I know I'm that
a lot, but it's just I can't fuck it's so
transparently the exact shit triple eh juice to do where
it's just how many people can I get it? Are

(01:06:12):
better than me to pad my fucking show? How many deeps?

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
This one? I can't knock it Because for a while,
Becky was the only one that would make sense to us,
and it's finally here, and it's one of these cases
of look, you guys asked for it here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
It is so Becky's doing good. That's it. Once again,
it is like, I like Becky in this role. I
thought her interaction with AJ was awesome. I thought that
was really really well done, classic heel baby face work
done you know, meticulously, and the crowd loved it. That
was great. I'm just saying, yes, yes, yeah, I think

(01:06:52):
they did a great fucking job with that. But still
it all goes back to Seth and his boys there.
But yeah, I don't know, but this raw, like we've
just kind of picked and choose little things from it.
The more we go through it, I'm like, yeah, it
was okay. There was some good shit on this for sure.

(01:07:13):
What did we forget anything?

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah, there's probably a segment or two that we missed,
but I mean that's overall raw. It was. It was
a better raw than it's been in the prior weeks.
I thought, I know, you kind of walked into this
and it was mid, but I thought it was better
than mid. I thought there was some interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
The more I think about it, the uso'.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Is being back together on any level, Oh, thank you,
fucking thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you for putting them back together. I'm fine with
Jay turning on La Night. I'm fine with that. Just
keep them back together. Bronson, I love Bronson. Bronson getting
the win is great. I like him being the head role.
The aj Lee stuff, the presentation that they did this

(01:07:51):
week was much better than SmackDown. And the only reason
I really hated her debut in Chicago was because it
was done backwards. She shouldn't have been skipping around the
ring fourteen times before getting in there. They shouldn't have
played her music. Sampunk should have just backed out of
the ring, and aj Lee should just leveled Becky. And
then at the end, that's when you play her music

(01:08:14):
and everybody loses their mind for hearing it. It was
they did it so backwards because they're just so excited
to nut Wwe is just so excited to not the audience.
They they're awful at that. It's like, no, give us
the presentation. If your wife is being picked on in
front of you, you're going to do something about it
first before you wait for the audio guy to cue

(01:08:36):
up your music. It just ah, it's just stupid. It's
really dumb. And I'm glad Chicago had a great time
with their five hundred dollars nosebleed tickets for that Hugh
Rosemont by the way, But yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't.
I was looking at the last minute. Some of the
tickets I saw at last minute were five hundred dollars

(01:08:58):
for the tippy top nosebleed seats, and I'm like that noise.
I love aj Lee, I love ceampunk, but that's one
I just can't do one. I can't drop that. You
can't just five hundred dollars just because I want to
see it one moment. I'm like, but anyways, besides that,
besides the gouging, you know, the way that it was
presented on SmackDown, frustrated out of me. And I understand

(01:09:21):
they're like, oh, they're just trying to build up the character,
because I think it was you and Dan that were
talking about it in our private chat and stuff like that.
Dan obviously shout out to him, does all of our
YouTube images Bacha Mania apparently put up. Matthew put up
one of the screen grabs of his mister Iguana photo
in the newest batch of Mania thanks to LuFisto and
other people that cluded me in on that. That's great,

(01:09:42):
But you guys were kind of like on this, oh, well,
she's trying to build up the mystique of the moment.
She's she's trying to ramp it up. It's her getting
in somebody's head. I'm like, no, that's not how you
do that. You're your man is getting with you. Take
care of the problem immediately, and then you do the
psychological They did a great job on Monday when they

(01:10:03):
were talking when she was talking about having the IC
belt and I was just skipping around with it all
weekend and things got awkward in the morning when I
had it on and she gets cut off by Becky.
I'm like, that was really well played, and it's just
it was night and day from the smackdowns creative of
what to do with aj Lee's debut versus how she

(01:10:24):
should be presented on Monday. It was fantastic, And I
understand why people thought it was the aj Lee Show
on Monday, because that was the most important thing to watch.
But I wouldn't say that Ross suffered in any way.
I thought there was absolutely some big going on there.
I think really the Jimmy j dynamic being back together
is really a solid thing that you really have to

(01:10:46):
talk about. I guess the worst part of the show though,
it was going to be Nicky Bella. Nicki Bello also
did an interview and I didn't really get to it,
but she did an interview or she did her podcast
right what is it called sucks and still sucks? She
said she's talking about how she needs that WWE needs
to change your gimmick, right, And she says it's crazy

(01:11:07):
because at first when I was coming back, I didn't
know what to expect, that I knew what my first
direction was, and then all of that changed with Live Morgan.
But for me personally, one thing I want out of
this comeback and still do is to get back my
strong shape, my wrestling shape, and to get where I
used to be years ago. Physically, that's part of it,
but it's also about getting myself into a wrestling space
of this new era. How far can I push myself

(01:11:29):
beyond the comfort zone? How can I hang in this era?
Who am I as a wrestler?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Am I going to change that? I've always been known
as more of a powerhouse. Really, dude, stop, But that
changed a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Wait, anyway, we can't let that wha she sees herself
as more of a power Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
No, she's been known as more of a powerhouse. So
it's not even her saying it, like Becky says, it's
Sports Illustrated saying it. It's the Chicago Tribune. It's yeah, so,
but you said that changed a bit. When she came
back from her broken neck, she had to adjust her
move set and her craft. Now I know I'm going
to be doing that again. I want to evolve. In

(01:12:09):
the beginning, I wanted to keep Fearless Nikky as fearless
Nicky because to me, my comeback was more about nostalgia,
like here's this Hall of Famer, this legend, because it's
always a good it's always a good move to talk
about yourself as a legend.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I'm still trying to recover from her calling herself a powerhouse. Man.
I can't, I can't. Fucking I'm just I'm just thinking
of like Bribe Mark Henry, Yeah, yeah, and fucking like,
give me about the big I'm in Johnson, dude, Like
I'm thinking of it. Yeah, these wild beefcake motherfucker's just

(01:12:46):
beating the ship. Nicky be like, that's man, that's man.
I not that's who I have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Nicky Bella the brock lesnar of women's wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Dude, somebody's gotta tell uh. I don't know who the
fuck is some aging porn star. They're also they're a powerhouse.
Es gotta look out. You gotta look out for fucking
uh my god, Jenna Jamison wures you one hundred and
fifteen years old. Yes, uh it's fucking powerhouse. Lookout for
Alexis Texas. She's a powerhouse. Gianna Michael's powerhouse. Dude, you're

(01:13:26):
fucking her fucking gord, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
She goes on. She's like, but this hall of fame
or this legend, let's keep her the same. That was
my mindset, And you know me, I'm a marketing machine,
so I wanted to keep that as being marketable. Yeah humble, yes,
of course, very what people recognize me as. But now
that I'm in it, I actually want to change her
a little bit. I think it'd be a lot of fun.

(01:13:53):
I work with Creative every week, hands on. I love
being hands on. Everyone there is. It's very different than before.
Even with promos we used to just get handed something.
But now it's way different. It's cool. You just sit
and you talk about it and they give you the
basis of the idea. But everything can change the day
of It was never like this before, and I love it.
So now I'm excited to maybe push Fearless Nikki in

(01:14:15):
a different direction. Deep down, of course, I'd love to
go back heel. It's always fun to take on the
challenge of being a baby face in this new era,
which is so different, There's been something really excited for me.
I can't wait to see what's next. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
We're all enthralled.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Powerhouse, Nicky Bella, power, power, power, I'm the powerhouse. Nicky Bella.
Just start giving her testosterone to her voice drops. Hi, everybody,
this is Nicky Bella and you're watching WWE RAW Raw.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Should she start coming out with the scale I crash
Allie did.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, I'm a legend, fear me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I love the idea of just how fucking ridiculous wrestling
was at that time under Vince where he took he
took one hundred and twenty pounds, chick with fake tits,
put her in hot pants, gave her a backwards hat
and convinced her that she's a powerhouse legend, power more power.

(01:15:24):
Oh that matches you, kid? Oh? Good fucking god?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Well cat all right, somebody, Okay, maybe we're wrong, Joe.
Maybe we're making mistake here. What was the last big
power move that Nikki Bella did? Oh my god, somebody,
can somebody help us out in the chat here?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
That's my dell.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
The rackets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
She broke her own neck doing that move like a
true power our house does the world's flow strongest slam
breaks his own neck. Oh, Dan says, beat up her husband.
I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
You're not wrong, Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Clubbing forearms to the husbands some by good ask somebody,
I got the wags plot power, powerhouse. You know what,
it's not too late to put her with American Alphax,

(01:16:33):
hit the hit the road, Mexican. You're sucking out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
We gotta we have Ivy. Yeah, Ivy wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I'm sorry, I'm not American Alpha.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
What's the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Fucking otis? Intos? How? What what are they calling themselves now? Oh?
I don't know, Alpha Academy or something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Wait, waiting to get left? Let go? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah? What are they called? Don't don't pay? Up the phone.
Is that how that goes? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
We miss Otis, I miss Otis. I miss him. He needs,
he needs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
I got news for you. Otis is going to compete
for that powerhouse position.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Oh, Otina is gonna be O Tina. Oh like Harvey
Whippleman back in the day, Is it Otina?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Okay? Oh? Yeah? Do the worm? Yeah? Man, Yeah, she stinks,
she fucking stinks. But other than that, yeah, Rob was
pretty decent. I guess I I we both convinced each
other that this was a better show than it was.
So it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
It was fun, so much loved everybody. Thank you very
much for checking us out. New LFG show will be
happening this week. There's a new Jeff Lippman episode going
up on The Garden of Thought with a couple of
interviews on there that should be going up probably later
on this evening. I know I've been out of it
for a little bit, but yeah, I'm back so after
since since twenty thirteen. It's my first vacation for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
So well, I can tell you this, guys. When when
Love's back on for the show, or you know, when
she's she's hanging around in the shat room. Make sure
to ask her what she thinks about the powerhouse that
is Nicky Bella.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
I mean when I think of Jim Helwig, I naturally
think of Nicky Bella.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
So, but do you think do you think that Jordan
Gracie's that? And it's just like what am I? What
am I? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
No, She's like, you know what, I gotta get in
shape like Nicky Bella?

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Yeah, She's like, what am I? Then? Am I an
actual fucking like? Am I a centaur?

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Slamovich looks at Nicky Bella and goes, damn if I
was only as strong as she is, Yeah, she's not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
She's got to be more fearless, dude, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Bozilla has a giant poster of Nicky Bella on her wall.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
She's like, oh yeah, yeah, thanks, yeah, thanks for you back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Jazzy Gabbert calls up Nicky Bella for like, you know,
workout tips. It's like, yeah, I can keep going down
Big Jack's women all day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
You're like, I can keep going down him and on him?
You want?

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