RAW REVIEW or WHEN SUMMERSLAM JUST WONT END (Wrestling Soup 8.5.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Wrestling Soup for a mature audience.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wrestling Soup. I am Anthony Thomas joined along with Joseph E. Numbers.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yo, here we are Monday night. Rod. It's like we
didn't even leave, dude, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
As I like to call it to night four of
Summer Slam?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Maybe I know, right if you think about it, because
obviously I had to catch up on Night one. I
didn't see SmackDown. So yeah, to the people that are
watching all of this ship, that is the fourth night
in the.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Row, well four nights, four nights of Summer Slam.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know what, if you put it that way, I
feel a little less. I feel a little less like
a human. Oh oh yeah, well that I argue with
that day. But I feel a little less bad for
the crowd in the sense of I was sitting there
being like, what the hell's wrong with these people? Why

(01:08):
don't they They're not into this at all? And then
I realized there was probably some of them that went,
oh shit, ching, I'll get a ticket to Friday, Saturday,
Sunday and Monday, right, And they're just dragging ass and
into this arena and they're like, oh God again again,
why did I think this was a good idea. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, Yeah, it wasn't great, dude. Look, SummerSlam Night two
was tremendously better than Night one. You didn't get the
first reaction that obviously myself, Andrew Carlok and John Draper
did shout out to those boys for coming through. Night
two was infinitely better with myself, you and LuFisto covering it,
but it still wasn't great and the vibe overall with

(01:50):
SummerSlam was really interesting. According to the polls, there was
a predominant mix between the be average people that the
Thoughtsummerslam was not only worth rewatching, but was good enough
to talk about in a positive light. There was definitely
a handful of a people as well which thought that
SummerSlam was perfect. The two nights of SummerSlam were perfect,

(02:13):
but there was a lot of d's, a lot of
d's and a lot of f's that actually surprised me
pulling through that felt very like minded to the five
to six of us.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, I and I must say in that situation, the
people that are giving these shows a's and b's, I
like to think that's their new true blue audience. And
I'm not saying that like, as you know, as a pejorative.
I'm just assuming at this point that's what a good
portion of people that are left still watching WWE. They

(02:46):
just think this is what it is, and they're into
it and they're okay with it. That's the only assumption
I could have from that.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, we used to have a problem, Joe, back
in the early twenty tens to about the twenty fifteen
twenty sixteens, where we had to grade WWE based upon
how low the bar was set, and our grades, we
even felt back then were disingenuous because we saw the
attitude air alive. We were there for it. We were

(03:13):
there for the good times of WCW. We were there
for the good times of ECW. We saw ruthless aggression
at the top of its at the top of its grade.
We saw these great things happening while they were happening,
the good and the bad. But mostly we found ourselves
genuinely enthused to tune into the show every week. And
then when we started doing Wrestling Soup in twenty ten

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and in the early years, we found ourselves giving higher grades,
but it was always with the little asterisk the caveat
that none of this shit would have held up in
nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, we know what this is. That was the point,
like it would be something that we could make fun
of and give a hard time. But it was coming
from the direct place of we know that this isn't
as good as it was, right, you know, we're grading
it in the same way that you would a chip's
a hoy cookie rush is the best, the most just expensive,

(04:09):
you know, the best bakery in town. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
We're watching raw with special ed glasses on.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes, yes, yeah, we're giving it a We're giving it
as much a leeway, I guess as you can.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
The fastest kid on the short bus. That's where we're at. Yeah,
I mean it's like, no, it's that's a whole. But
if that's what it is, that's exactly what we're doing.
And so you're right when when you see these people
giving it a's and stuff, you have to think one
of three things. One, they just don't know what they
missed with the late nineties or even the eighties. They

(04:44):
just don't know what type of wrestling and the vibe
it is that they missed. So this is their era,
this is their version of the best wrestling in the
world because this is what they're subject to, or b
they really don't understand what makes these matches or these
talents better or live longer.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Or worth your time, or really have any sort of longevity.
I mean, I do have to once again give people credit.
And this isn't begin a dick. It's just if you
grew up and you watched the two down like when
we started this show, if you were a kid watching wrestling,
then I suppose if you're seeing what we are seeing now,

(05:29):
you would go, oh, yeah, this is clearly this is
clearly better in some respects, you know, like you.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Want to know something funny. I was doing the Tuny
Talk Wrestling show on Sunday. I was doing the watch
long with Marv and Awful and Apollo showed up too,
and there was a point where marvra asked me. He's like, well,
what was your favorite Summer Slam match? And Awful goes
into his he talks about Summer Slam ninety and stuff,
and I couldn't think of one. I could not think

(05:55):
of one. I literally sat there for three minutes completely
and I'm thinking to myself, well, it's a safe bet
to assume that I've seen at least fifteen summer slams,
considering we've covered fifteen summer slams on the show, right,
And even out of those fifteen summer slams, I couldn't
come up with one match that blew me away. And
I just I don't know. It's this weird stagnation for me.

(06:19):
And this is the third point that I was trying
to make, the third audience, where you've seen wrestling for
so long, it kind of blends into each other. Oh
and maybe the people that are giving it the high
grades are because they forgot, They forgot where they came from,
they forgot what it was like to have good and plenty.
They just don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Or you could just be the type of viewer that, like,
I don't remember specific dates or pay per views, or
like I'll have a moment where I'll say, oh, I
know that that happened at WrestleMania, because it happened at WrestleMania.
But if you're like, oh, man, do you remember at
Survivor Series twenty thirteen, I'd be like, you have? You

(07:05):
could fucking give me any matches and I'd be like, sure, Hey, Joe,
what was the card? People.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
What was the insurrection card in nineteen ninety nine?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is that the one where Jackie showed her tits?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh god, I missed that one that you.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Don't remember that well? She got her shirt ripped off
in England? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Oh.
I mean, come on, dude, I remember the important things.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah. See, I totally I do remember that incident, now
that you brought it up. Yeah, she was on whose
shoulders was she on? Was it Albert or test or
somebody's shoulders?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Good lucky them though, I mean Tim White it was?
Was it really Tim White? Oh man?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
That was silight moment?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Somebody was somebody backstage was like, let's get him in
trouble with his wife. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And then after that they booked him in a suicide
angle for what three months?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
That was great, that right, They're like, yeah, let's take
the village dumpy guy and haven't put a big old
pair of black movies on his shoulders and see what
happens when he gets on you know, Oh my god?
Now that was yeah. I don't remember this shit, dude.
I don't remember these specific you know, years and all that.
And I've always been transparent about that and I don't

(08:17):
think that anybody that sits there and goes well. In
the summer of nineteen ninety three, this happened, But that
doesn't make you a better fan or a better viewer
or any of that shit. It's just like you said,
I have literally watched, at this point, thousands Upove Allison's
of wrestling matches like there's no and many of them live.

(08:39):
Many I have been in the ring while it was occurring,
Like I can't remember fucking all of it, right, But yes,
there is this point though, where I'm watching whatever the
fuck WWE has been putting out and whatever has gone
on in this long weekend, and I'm going, Okay, I
get that this is for a specific arts. But then,

(09:00):
like I said on Monday, holy shit, these people were dead.
They did not care at all, dude.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
The life time they reacted was when Becky Lynch was
telling Nikki Bella about the john CNA connection, about how Johnson.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
That was the biggest thing to night they got up.
Everybody was doing the.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I'm like, oh, Brooklyn, but let me ask you, this
was that as big or bigger almost than even Roman
coming out and Punk showing up.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Oh, they didn't care. Yeah, that was, although Bronson did
get kind of a good ovation when he was doing
the fucking the splash on a Roman stuff, like when
the chaos started to happen. I think people like, look,
I saw a lot of comments about Bronson. Reda is boring,
the guy's not going anywhere, he's a waste, blah blah

(09:52):
blah blah. But it seems like they always cheer when
big boy gets up on that top rope and wants
to hurt people.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I liked that. A new gimmick is basically Tony
Atlas with this little fetish. I love the shoes. I
fucking he's just start sniffing him. I think that.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you're thinking Tony Atlas, I'm thinking that's that is
ghetto fabulous. No, no, stealing somebody's shoes. I hope he
goes out and steals see him punk starter jacket next.
I hope he just mugs him for a black Hawks
starter jacket and it doesn't even fit him. No, he
just starts stealing people's clothes and shit. I hope that's
what he does. Just drags a fucking duffel bag behind

(10:28):
him full of everybody's fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't I don't even want him to make it
serial killer esque, just weird. Just make it weird, because
that's more entertaining than whatever the fuck they're doing with this.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
But I was laughing too, because when aj Or Dominic
lost his shoe, I'm like, oh, Bronson's got you, bro, Yeah,
BRON'SI got come get it, got some shoes.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Dude. How did we know? By the way, how did
you and I in Blue predict the fact that this
raw was going to start out? What's a twenty five
minute long?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Says Prove said, I said it up on Saturday, Dude,
I knew exactly. And it's not just gonna be this Monday, guys,
It's going to be every Monday for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
M m. Yeah, we'll lock in because this is what
it's gonna be, and it's gonna besane.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Did he hit all the points? Did he say everything
that we brought up, how great he is? Yep? Did
he talk about how he knew all the the whole time? Yep,
that the only people that were in on it was
him and Paul and and even his wife didn't yep?
Like everything everything held.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
You ay and smart your dummy? Oh god? Which by
the way, I was hoping that the crowd was going
to pick up at one point. It's just because when
I first turned it on, I'm going, please please give
Seth nothing. I hope that this crowd. I hope the
New York crowd looks at him and is catching on

(11:48):
to the fact where they're like, this is redundant, this
guy's a chowed. This was actually just annoying, Like it was.
It wasn't like, oh you got me, or I'm so mad.
I don't even like the cash and a whole thing,
the lying, the going through the trouble of having this
whole thing that was just annoying and insulting. That's the problem, hoping,
that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know, that's kind of the problem.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So here's here's the two faced version of this truth
about Seth coming back. When everybody thought Seth was injured,
I think he was genuinely building up a little bit
of sympathy with the audience. They thought it was horrible
that he got injured randomly on a Saturday night's main event.
A lot of people bought into that. WWE obviously pushed

(12:33):
the idea talking about doctors and shit, and they talked
about it on TV with Paul Hayman doing the cover
up story that he's got nine months so whatever the
fuck it is to cash it in, so they covered
their asses. Story wise, they talked about it on The
Rich Eisen Show. Seth went on there to talk about
it and obviously talked about it again Monday about how

(12:53):
he fooled everyone. Fold you like the dude from Spaceball.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Oh, you're being in the under game. I played.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, now they're gonna have the liar liar pants on
Fire Show And Souff's like, that's a great idea, and
I'm like, fucking where is Pat Jesus H Christ get
Riches sucks, dude, he fucking sucks. I don't usually ship
on other people in the broadcasting field like this, but

(13:24):
holy fuck, listening to that dude show is like shoving
a hot poker into the tip of my penis. It
is awful. And he sits there and he just paddles
for Seth. Oh, Seth, You're so clever.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, ugh, he should stick to like baseball and basketball coverage.
Oh god, yeah, damn dude.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
But Pat, dude, they have just completely forgotten about Pat McAfee.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Like, like ever since he left.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Is like Pat, who oh yeah, and that kicker right,
that kicker guy.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, he was desper He's desperately needed for moments like that.
But at the same time, I don't I'm so uninterested
in this whole thing that I'm not even sure if
Pat could make that better, maybe he could make it
more palatable, but I just don't fucking care. Like I
think that's really what it is. It's like I have

(14:17):
to almost allow myself, for the sake of talking about
it on the show, to get a little bit annoyed
and frustrated, because otherwise I'm just completely indifferent towards anything.
And I don't blame you it's doing I don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
You should be Seth has done nothing and this last
potential of some sympathy. So here's the other side that
I was trying to get to, right, So the side
of him fooling us is think about it like this.
One of the biggest problems that you and I have
had among many people in the ITWC is the fact
that Seth is coming out there trying to be a heel,

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yet all these people are always cheering him singing a
song and dare say he fuels that for some stupid
fucking reason, but he does, and he fuels these baby
face reactions to him being a shit back. Right, is
the potential or the long thought process of fucking over
the fans with this injury angle a way for him

(15:11):
to try and solidify himself as a heel. But let
me throw this out there. But if that's the case,
then why is he still fueling people to sing his
song every week?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I yeah, it makes no sense because he's like, I
want your I want you fools to admire me. Like,
I'm like, what, I don't get any of this right,
It's foolish.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's like you want to heal great Honestly, the Swerve angle,
whether you loved it or hate it, I think that
there's a lot of reasons why people dislike it, especially
with how many serious injuries there have been in WWE.
But if you're just using that to finally get people
to hate you, then do that. Quit the music, get
rid of the music, come out there like old or

(15:53):
heal JOHNSENA no fucking music. Something you have to change
that people are on board with your music, you keep
micetrowing the fuck out of them every time you show
up stop that. You want people to take you seriously
as a heel. Stop doing babyface things. Stop heaving right.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah constantly, not even just like oh there's this little
element of him and still dude. I mean, I watched
this back and I said it to you guys, and
I said it to people in the chat room. I
didn't even watch this on Netflix. I acquired it through
other means. I told you, and it was yeah, And
it was because I didn't even want to give them

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the stream, right I own.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
You subscribe to Netflix. It's not like Joey doesn't subscribe
and he's just rooting around for somewhere else to watch it.
You subscribe to Netflix, and you still actively chose to sup.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yes, I chose to not watch it on Netflix because
I don't want Netflix to think that I that this
is succeeding in my eyes. I want him to be like,
oh wow, yeah, people are into this because it sucks.
I wouldn't have watched it if I wasn't doing a
show about it, because I was that just like it's
just redundant. They've found a way to make a show

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that last year you and I were like, yeah, this
is wow. They're really going in a good direction into
what I mean. I know we were talking about there's
people that probably don't remember this time, but I think
that for people that are over thirty something years old
to remember this, Triple H is booking this show currently
like when he used to book himself, and they used

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to book the shows in the early two thousands when
they were chasing millions of people away. That's how they're
booking the show. Constant fuck finishes. The heel always fucking
triumphs over the babyface no matter what goes out on top.
For some reason, the top heel still needs to feel
cool while all the babyfaces look like dickless losers. Right,

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I mean, even in this promo, which we barely even
have to talk about because we know exactly what it
was going to be fucking seventy two hours ago. But
Ellie Knight comes out and I go, why do I
have to share? For Early Knight? He's a fucking loser,
He's a dickless loser who's not gonna win shit. Why
do I care? No one cares.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh, he's almost bad too, because he was trying. He
was trying to connect the dots for people. Say, I'm
the last one that beats you when you were there
out there making with the fake injuries.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm the last one beat them. Fuck face, fucking just
told he's telling, which this is just. And I'm glad
that they attempted to least tie up those two loose angles,
because I don't remember if I said it on Sunday,
but I certainly thought it my stupid little brain, I'm going, well,
if I'm Ellie Knight, I'm like, well, fuck you, and
if I'm Adam Peerceon thinking oh, well fuck you. Right,

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So at least they did that. At least they had
the common sense to go, well, Ellie Knight should be
insulted and Adam Pierce should be looking and saying, which
he did, thank god, because apparently he has some self
respect in thinking of his Pierce is a.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Good directer, Pierce Pierce understand Pierce gets involved. I especially
liked Pierce all night Monday once again, a fucking highlight
from his interaction about you don't get to say no
to who gets the challenge for what. I love that
he came out there and immediately put the kabash on
the tired old I have the bellt and you want

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to fight for it? No, no, you can't do that
because I'm a champion. And then later on in the
evening when the chaos was going on, he was involved there,
him and Seth arguing while Bronson was just fisting Roman
reigns in the ring. Like there were different points where
Adam Pierce and then the Russev and Shane this shit

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going out all over the place. Like Adam Pierce is
a very good general manager, authority figure, whatever the hell
you want to classify him as, because he's involved, but
he's not the focal point. He's important, but you don't
need him every week.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
You know. But here's but here's the thing, any instance
of Seth and how this went down, Adam Pierce should
be a reoccurring character or somebody that's in this storyline
where like he even said on the show, he goes,
so you pulled this bullshit. You had your medical team,
which is already hilarious enough that we imagine that these
guys have their own medical teams, but your medical team

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lied to me for weeks, which I'm like, okay, Adam,
go fire his medical team, right, go fire them? Or hey,
Seth's because you pulled this shit and you played this
little game it's already enough that you got your butt
boys running around and I know they're interfering in matches.
How do I know that? Because I'm not blind, but
you have this happening, and then you pulled this whole

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thing where it's like, this is still a job. I
employ you, I'm your boss, and you have doctors lying
to me. I'm going to now every week tried to
do something to fuck with you, and somebody could say, oh, well,
that's a sympathetic thing to have the authority figure fuck
with him, and it's like, well, it is, but it
isn't because now you've put Seth in a position where

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it's it's like, well, what are we gonna do to
get heat on this guy? He's going to win every
single fucking week. The authority figure, I guess, will show
up once a month when convenient, and everything else is
just going to be Hayman and the butt boys.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's just it's going to become so fucking boring so fast.
I was already bored with the show. I was already you.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Know what, I'm not going to drag down the rest
of the show because of Seth rollins. There was some
fun out there. I will say, I mean, I guess
we can go a little bit out of order. Grays
and Waller with the New Day and Xavier Woods wearing
the largest hat known to man, loved it. It was
it was fucking hilarious. He was blocking out Grayson Waller

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when him and and Kofi were talking, and Waller comes
through and says, I'll fix this. I'll get us the match,
and he goes over there and he starts trying to
chew out Pierce and Peerce is talking to Penta, and
Penta and Piers start speaking in Latin ahead great Waller.
And it's funny too because every time Grayson Waller says pierced,

(22:04):
it sounds like you're saying, piss, hey, piss, piss, I
just piss up my yes, no piss. And it's it
popped me because I'm just thinking, I'm like, oh, it's
Joey Numbers sign off.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah there, I am right, Oh, let's me signing off.
The show has been hittingy, I get it. Yeah, no,
I dude. I love I don't even want to say
specifically that I love the New Day act. I love
what Xavier Woods is doing. I feel like KOFE is
dragging this down. Though I love Kofe, want Kofe to succeed,

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but it's just not in this. I almost feel like
it's time to cut Baint, give him space, take them
off TV, because I think Woods.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Together, they are what they are. I don't think Woods
is ever going to find that next level.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
No one's buy I not even the next level. But
I think he's a guy that could be entertaining on
television by himself for a series of months and be fine.
I mean, if we're just gonna do bullshit, you know,
fart out these aws ideas, we might as well take
the speed title, make it the cruiserweight belt, and then
have Penta an Xavier fight over it, and then you'll

(23:21):
have a good match every fucking week.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Just do that, because we could do that anyway. I
agree with you about the tag team stuff, but I
don't think you get rid of KOFE. I just don't.
I'm not on that band. You have him as a
manager because he's so you can have him in the back,
you can have him on the side. That's perfectly fine.
I still think that Kofee's best assets are actually in
the ring, as opposed to making him a comedy character.

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I think that that is he was absolutely number three
between the.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Thing he still has like middle aged dad energy and
just he's a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And it's just why that's why you have him in
the ring. You don't. You don't put him on the side.
You don't make him the highlight of the microphone. You
make Xavier Woods that guy. That's what I'm saying, is
like Kofe's way too talented. He's like a Dolf Ziggler
in that sense.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I like Koffe, but I think the personality is not there.
I think a lot of that, the youthful energy, if
you want to call it, that has been drained from him.
I think Xavier, you could do a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think they both were drained after Biggie was gone.
Let's be honest, Xavier isn't even Xavier from the days
when they were three, Like none of these guys, they've
all suffered big Ee. And as much as I love Bigie,
but every time I see him, he's no longer the
same level of boisterous guy that he used to be.
He's still intelligent, he's still funny. Maybe it's because I'm

(24:40):
growing up, maybe it's because they're growing up, or maybe
it's because since the act split up, because it had to,
they've all lost something by being together or been not
being together. I should say, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Was neat it there. Obviously, you know they're in act.
There's no other way to say that. They're meant they
are meant to be together and the same way. And
I'm not using this anology for you, you know, via
pigmentation or anything like that, but like it's like there's
a reason why none of the dudes and Boys to
Man had a solo act.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I still think it's absolutely stupid that they didn't make
Biggie their manager, right, I really do. Honestly, I think
the New Day would have their life back if Biggie
was their manager. And I know that's something he'd never
wanted to do for whatever reason, he didn't want to
be a manager because I think for the longest time too,
Biggie thought there was a chance he'd make a comeback. Hey, look,

(25:33):
Daniel Bryan came back from a detached head. Why can't
big Ee?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
You know, and Mish when that bumped happened and we
saw it, you were very hopefully up. You were very
optimistic about it. I loved it, but I remember it
on was the shit? Yeah, I was like, man, the
way that he fucking curled up. Oh that, I was like, yeah,
he's he's figgurrety. Fuck dude. If he's walking, that's considered
a miracle. But no, like like I said that, there's

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just certain groups together where you just look at them
and you go, yeah, there's a reason this is not
a solo act, you know. Like, I don't know, did
any of the new kids on the Block do okay
by themselves? Any of the Backstreet Mark Mark breakout? Yeah? Hey,
Marky Mark was a sole act from the start, get
it right. The reason why Mark Wehlberg had to be

(26:21):
the crackhead in sixth sense, he couldn't go out on
his own.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I just I don't think Connie, the idea of splitting
up the New Day, even at this point, would be silly.
I think, if anything, you repair it, you bring Biggie
back in a role. I don't know if you bring
Biggie back as the heels. I think if anything, you
have you kind of build a storyline where Biggie tries
to bring them back to what they were and kind
of pull Kofee and pull Xavier back from the dock.

(26:48):
Side and bring them back to being fucking the old
school New Day. I think there's more money in that storyline.
People love a redemption storyline, and people genuinely loved the
New And if you're gonna try and bring anybody back
from the brink, I think the New Day is worth it.
Now once again, it all goes into the point of
and this is all fantasy. Would Biggie change his mind

(27:11):
on being a manager would be he be fine with
being outside the ring and being the wacky guy. I
think he would do great. I just I can't. I
can't give up on the New Day, man. I know
it's so corny, but I just fucking can't. I can't
see Xavier Wood shaking off Kofi Kingston for a couple
months of a storyline that they're gonna forget a couple

(27:33):
months after that.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I think you could make something not Xavier. I really
think he could, because the personality is there, the looks there.
He knows how to dress himself, he knows how to
reinvent himself, he knows how to talk, he knows how
to get heat, and he knows how to work.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I just I'm not saying the dude's not talented. I
justine when he's going for the heavyweight championship or not.
I'm just saying, I know, but you're talking about like
w w' is gonna give a shit six months down
the road, right, Like everything you're saying, Joe, I can
see working. I can see WWE getting behind, you know,
Xavier one day going Koffe's the dead weight, and then

(28:09):
he turns on Kofe and Kofee drops out, and Xavier
takes it for himself and he goes wins the US
title or some shit, and he'll hold on to it
for three months, four months, he'll lose it to someone
like fucking I don't know, Dexter Loomis, and then we'll
forget about Xavier Woods. Xavier Woods, you.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Got I'm sorry. The best retort has already come. In
the chatroom, Cable, say Jack. Cable in the chatroom says,
Woods can't even fuck alone. He needs he needs a
tad team partner, even when he's fucking all right, fair enough,
you win, all right, all right? I can see you

(28:47):
in that point. I'm over here. I'm over here with
visions in my head of a right of a gem,
like you know what, Like I said, if we're gonna
make this WCW twenty five years ago, and aw Diarrhea asked, bullshit,
then give me my fucking Cruiserweights. Yeah, give me my
a quarter of a century ago, Xavier Wood's coming out

(29:09):
and suspenders fighting fucking Penta for twenty minutes. Give me
that then. But I don't know. You're right, he can't
even fuck alone, So that's that's true. I got a
good point.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, oh I got his. Gridhead says thank you very much.
Fucking hell. But so we have other stuff going on.
Jesus Christ, Seamus and Rusev, right, gotta talk about that, Honestly,
one of the highlights of the night. I love the
Seamus and Russev dynamic. I love that they had another
match and the match dissolved into psychosis and just brawling,

(29:41):
and then it just kept going. It was like the
little Energizer bunny on the screen. You're watching somebody talking
about great tacos, and then here comes the fucking fight
between Russev and Xavier Woods. They they interrupted Alexa Bliss
and Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh dude, that was actually funny because instead of fighting
by them, they like ran punchy it's like they're like,
you see like these two Tasmanian devil. It's like that
car tune.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Where all you see is just a cloud of smoking,
fists popping out and a foot popping out.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And then they did the same thing happen at the
fight at the bar. I'm like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
And then later on the same thing happened. Sammy's talking
about I really wanted to head up with the pipe,
but I didn't, not because I didn't want to, but
because I want to be a better bad and he's
going through that ship.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And then Ruth seven Seamus, like one of them sucker
punched him. It was this. There is my god, there
is nothing funnier to me than once again you know
that this is becoming a Triple Ah show. And it's
it's like, here's a babyface and he's like, believe me,

(30:59):
I thought about it. I thought about being a butt guy.
And then he just gets absolutely he just gets humiliated.
What is it with triplation humiliating the babyface that gets
his dick so hard that he has to do it
because he's all of the time, because he's the game.
I know, dude, if I'm if I'm Cody. If I'm Cody, Cody,

(31:20):
I know Cody just want the belt and ship cover. Yes, yeah,
if I'm if I'm Cody, I'm and I know he's
a He's a sensitive boy. Let's be real, like, I
know people will this is once again not an insult
to him, but he's a sensitive guy. You know. He's
the type of kid that would at the lunch table
when you were in school, would would cry when the

(31:41):
kids made fun of his, like, you know, like, oh,
your mom fucking didn't give you whatever. He'd be like like, guess, Cody,
that is Cody. But he's got to look at triplation
now and just say fucking no. He's got to develop
that no, because in a month or less, because he's
on his triple H is not his ship, he's gonna
be like, all right, so, uh, here's the plan. We're

(32:04):
gonna have heels come out and they're gonna just I
think they're gonna pull down your pants and then what
they're gonna do, Oh no, they're just gonna start each
putting their fingers in you. But don't worry. In three
years from now, you're gonna win, Cody.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I know, you've heard about Vince's Kiss My Ass club,
but Triple H has got to suck my dick club,
Triple Ah.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Triple H is gonna speaking of fun fetishes. He's just
gonna start having people suck on Seth's toes. Y' get
that all right, It's gonna.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Suck those shoes for everybody here in Manchester. I want
you to suck Seth's toes. Uh, get in there.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
He's definitely not my fucking Gundam.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Somewhere Vince is like, that's my boy.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Finally the show's making some shots that smile God. Yeah,
it's fucking god. Yeah, no, it's it's becoming that where
I tried to do the right thing. I tried to
be a good boy. Why didn't you just oh my god,

(33:25):
do you remember the pictures that people took of the
prisoners and uh when they were when they invaded Iraq
and they took all the pictures of the people that
there was like one where the women troops were like
pointing at the guy's dick and.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
They had a potato sack on his head. Yeah. No,
all time famous famous.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Triple Ah is just thinking, He's like, how can I
how can you pick off Sammy's pants in the middle
of the ring and make fun of his penis liten,
I know. The Killer Crust tucked me up and made
me stand on the bus and then pulled and then
pantsed me in in front of everybody, and then said ha, ha,

(34:02):
look at his little dick. And then his wife came
over and said, ha, he has a little dick. And
then he had the crowds. He said, hey, crowds, everybody pointing,
laugh He say, little dick, little dick. But I'm better
than that. I'm better than being upset that people all
pointing and laughing at my little dick.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
So I understood, Jamis.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Is coming to punch me in the face. It's embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I understood Sammy's promo, and he was trying to clarify
that he's not a babyfaced idiot, right, That's what he
was trying to do with this promo, And he wasn't
trying to say that the reason he didn't take it,
take the pipe and beat the shit out of Scarlet
and Cross, which I thought that was interesting too, that
he included both of them. So at some point, even

(34:44):
though Scarlet just rolled it over to him in Sammy's
mind at least at that moment, which is interesting. He's like, Oh,
I can beat the shit out of the sand or
Scarlet and Cross, and I'm like, I would have loved
to have seen you take a pipe to Scarlet. I
think that would have been insane. But he like, that's
because that's not the man who I am. It's the

(35:04):
man who I want to be. And I'm just.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
All right, Sammy, and I love dude, and I love
this is becoming an issue for me, is that I'm
constantly seeing people that I want to cheer for and
I like and I want to see do well. Once again,
it's the Triple Ah show, get absolutely fucking Spade and
or neutered weekly, where it's just they make them look

(35:30):
so dickless and soffeckless and just pathetic. And Sammy, I'm
gonna be the heavyweight champion. Meanwhile, it's like, not even
forty eight hours ago, you're showing dark Cody. Here comes
evil Cody. He has to go to an evil place
to beat fucking John Cena, because this is how you
got to be the champion. And Sammy once again like

(35:52):
won't even pose pants up after he gets fucking gets
pants right it's come on, who's buying this, who's believing this?
He should know better than that. He should personally, like,
we get to this point where you know, you have
these people that go through WWE's developmental system. Like, I'm
sure Grayson Waller doesn't even realize that he's basically being

(36:12):
completely cucked out. I don't even know if he puts
that together fully. He's just glad to be on television.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I'm sure I'm sure he does. I'm sure he's fine
with it. He seems like a kind of guy to
go along to get along kind of guy. He's just happy.
He's not awesome theory right now, right, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
But by the way, not you completely put this back
into that whole thing with New Day and him and everything.
Can somebody get that man some fucking trunks. Why is
he still wearing those boxing things? It looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think that's why I thought that the other day. Yeah,
he's supposed to look like he's out of place. He's
kind of a door, right, You're not supposed to take
him as the serious cool guy. Like half the time
he's coming out in Hawaiian shirts and shit, It's like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I'd almost have rather have him get in the ring
and a pair of long pants with the Hawaiian shirt
and then take the Hawaiian shirt off and fight because
he's coming out and like boxing, Yeah, are you a boxer?
Does anybody mention your.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, he's definitely not a wrestler, So.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I know, it's like, what is it? It's like, are
you supposed to be mine? You know what if you
want to be Mark Merrow so bad, put on the
dow rag do it? Yeah, do it? Put her on
a fucking do rag and just be Mark Merrow. You
fucking found.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's what he is right there, and he's Jeff, that's Margaritaville.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah Waller, Yeah, yes, I don't know, it's who cares.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like Yeah, I don't really but Penta and Grayson Waller
was fine. Yeah I laughed. I laughed at Penta getting
a hold of Xavier's hat, his giant hat and then
whipping it at.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I don't will following. Oh shit, that could take some
real flight there.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Penter. You might want to second guess that one.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I saw that and I meet just go, oh that's
a lob ball for Matthew Mortal Kombat. Oh easy, he's
probably he probably saw that and was like wow, he
just stood Yeah, he stood right up, went right to
the computer like, ah, right here I go. I know that,
I know what this is going to need to be.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
It is, But yeah, Henta is fucking great, dude. He's
They gave him a cold, fucking match out of nowhere
and people still went nuts for him. I fucking love it.
I love that Penta is so over too.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I'm glad at this point that for you know, at first,
I was still you know, hesitant about Penta and you know,
his longevity and his ability because what I seen for
so long was this you know Bland Sandwich that did
Canadian destroyers and flips that I almost forgot that this
guy had that timing and that humor and personality to

(38:49):
him that we saw in Looch Underground a decade ago.
But it's coming back. Yeah, and he does have that
in him. So yeah, this this was fine. This was fine.
It was one of the only things on the show
where I'm pretty sure then it just the finish was clean,
if I remember correctly, which is which was rare on.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Like the Dragon Lee and Dominic match, which had not one,
not two, but three El Grande americanos interfering.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, oh good, good, Look.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I didn't mind that match either. Dominic versus Dragon Lee
was fine. You know, AJ Styles came up to them,
so Dominic was walking down. They were having the judgment
day off where they each say their lines. The girls
went off by themselves, and then there was a point
where you know, Adam Pearce was there and Dragon Lee
was there and they made a match and then AJ

(39:36):
Styles walked up afterwards, and Finn's ready to kick his
ass and AJ clears everything up and says, no, no, no,
I'm not here for that. I just want to say, Dominic,
you were you were clever. That was some clever shit
last night. But I'm not done. I'm gonna still hunt
for your title. And I was like, okay, cool, and
they get to the match. The match was fine for

(39:57):
what it was, nothing wrong to say about it. Some
good I love the Dominic slipping on the top rope
and falling on his gunt and then fucking he goes
down across the inside of the ropes and Dragon Lee
just fucking like super Drop kicks him from the TI
or just steps on him from the top. That was great.
But yeah, the Elgrande Americanos came out El Grande Americano two,

(40:20):
and then three and four popped up, and eventually Dominic
got the win because of interference and that was great.
And then AJ came out and yeah it was. It
was a fun fucker rematch. But nobody wants to see
Dominic lose the title anyways, not this, No.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
But there's also this part of me too where I'm
looking at it. I'm going, Dominic doesn't need all this
to beat Dragon fucking Lee.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think it was more there to fuck with Dragon Lee.
Like the El Grande Americanos aren't there to help Judgment Day,
They're there to keep picking fights with the Lucas. I know, yeah,
I know what you mean, because they're like, why would
they help Dominic?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Right, But I don't. I just I'm fine with Dominic
getting some clean pins when he's now one of the
most over people on the show, like that, that's okay.
He can beat a guy that's barely on television who
can't cut a promo and will never sell you a
fucking single ticket, Like he can beat that person. That's fine.
We don't need to have like all this pomp and

(41:16):
circumstance for him to go over in that situation, but.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
You're forgetting about a whole show. So that pomp and
circumstances is to boost up Triple Mania coming up, which
WWE has a hand in as well. So now we're
we're not just booking for one promotion, We're booking for
multiple promotions.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, could what could go wrong? But barely book are
one we have right now. It's a fucking job, but
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
They want to make Dragon Lee looks strong, A grade
Americano's got to look like an extra heel. Now like
there's there's other puppet masters in play with this, so
I kind of get it. I have no problem with
Dominic winning dirty dirty. Dom wins by being dirty.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
There's just only one person in this entire story that
could make you a dollar in his DOMINIQ mystereo.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I disagree. I like El Grande Americano. I love Kaiser
as El Grande Americano, and I think that there's gonna
be some weight to that.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, maybe down the line, but I.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Just yeah, yeah, I don't mean, write this minute, it's.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Not gonna be He's not gonna be dumb. I mean,
it's not gonna be that level of success. He's one
of the most over people in the whole company. Now yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I'm not disagreeing with that, but I mean, dragon Lee
ain't gonna do it. Aj Styles is at the end
of it, and fucking thing two and thing three sure
is fuck aren't gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So do you know how funny it would be if
if next year Dragonly is a big star and I'm
just of horses petuit, like, for some reason, just Dragonly
gets it together and everyone's like, oh, remember remember when
you spoke ill of Dragonly? I just, oh, man, boy,
do I feel dumb? But not likely the first time?
All right, I'm fine, And and that to me is

(42:55):
like one of those things that I always like to
point out because I think it's it's important. I like
being wrong when I'm being negative about something or ether
just kind of being hesitant.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Everybody likes being right and only right and never wrong.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
What are you talking? But well, this is it. I
like when I'm sitting there and going, yeah, I don't know,
I feel like this thing could fucking fall apart, and
then it doesn't. It's like good. I want to show
to be good. I want people to make money and
I want to to draw and sell tickets and like
all those, but when you're giving me something that I
know looks like diarrhea and I have to be like,

(43:32):
oh no, no, it's fucking great. Then you just end
up like one of these fucking showcasts or one of
these influencers on Instagram that's sitting there being like, oh
we're here with Naya Sleigh, how great is everything you've
ever done? And they're like, all right, go you're pretty great.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, Well, speaking of Slay Queen, I guess we have
to get to the Becky Lynch and Nikki Bella promo.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Oh which was?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
It started off boring Becky coming out and talking about
she needs competition, blah blah blah, she needs to raise
things up, and Nicki Bella shows up to kind of
throw her weight around at first, praising Becky, saying, you know,
she left the division, Nicky left the division in good
hands initially she gave it to Becky and then eventually

(44:18):
went on to say that you haven't helped bolster the division.
Then you've handcuffed them, and Becky took offence and then
at some point.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Man Mish, I hate to say it, but some of
these women are so weak on the microphone now that
NICKI almost felt passable in this setting.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh it was because it was easy to pick on her, like,
here's the thing, right, So I guess let's draw parallels
Alexa Bliss and Charlotte coming out there running there step
by step Waltz Dance Disney program was absolutely awful.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
It was awful.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
They may as well have just written all the notes
on their wrist and just read it off for batim.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
That might be my first You deserve a chance, Thank you, Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
After Summer Slam.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
It feels amazing to be champion again.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
No, it feels amazing if you I think you mean
we are champions again. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
It does feel nice to do something as we as
a change instead of just me.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
And if you stop hitting me in the head, maybe
we could be you know, we could be.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Whatever, like whatever, like, let's not put a label on it.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
What we're you gonna say?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
You can say it.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I wasn't gonna say anything. Thank you're gonna say the
F word.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
You are such a pain in my A word.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
That's right, I am.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
As long as we have these titles.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
You are stuck with me, and you.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Know what, I think we're gonna have these forever because
I'm the now fourteenth time plus the two time tag
plus the two time NXT.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
How many how many times have you been champion? Are
you serious right now? No? Yeah, it's like flare math,
how many times you've been champion? So I've held the
raw SmackDown?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Actually, know what, it doesn't matter because.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
No one, no one doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
It was almost so well timed too, because they were
finishing each other's sentences. Were you gonna say the F word? No,
but you're a giant pagne in my A word And that's.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Because we're friends.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
And I'm like, oh my, is there a dance number like.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
This is? It was vaudeville level? And you said, hey,
what's what what you got on your You got something
on your shirt? There, buddy? What I got on my shirt?
Oh yeah? Hit me on the nose? Oh silly?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Who's on first?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah? What? No? What's on third? Who's on first? Shut up?
That is it? But like the ice cream man, right yeah,
whoever wrote that for them, shame on you, and shame
on both of them for agreeing to that. Well that

(47:43):
was fucking awful.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I am not one of those people that like Charlotte
Flair being face. I'm not. I'm not going to I'm sorry.
Charlotte Flair has been the epitome, the consummate heel woman
in w W E for a for for a decade
now right. Easily like any other role that she plays,
the one that comes natural is her being the queen bitch.

(48:08):
And even now with this weird front of me ship
that they have, it just feels completely scripted, and it's
weird when I see more and more people going, oh,
I like them together. Oh see, it took a Lexa
Bliss to get Charlotte Flair over. Really, that's what you think.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
The way that this felt to me, I mean, other
than the promo being terrible, but just the overall pairing
those two together. It feels like to me, when you
know somebody comes into work and you know they had
a rough couple of days, whatever it might have been,
work in life, whatever it might have been. You know,
you're talking to the guy, you're talking to the girl.
They're like, oh man, they're in a rough spot. They're

(48:47):
fucking you know, the kid got into a car accident
or the you know, their wife fucking is angry at them,
whatever it might be. So they're like, you know what,
like let's give them the lighter loade, you know, let's
give him by, but put them with his friend. Let
them work a shift with this buddy. Let's not give
him too hard of a time. Like it's like Charlotte
was fed such a shit sandwich with green as goose

(49:08):
shit Tiffany Stratton and they had that horrible fucking match
at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I think there's more to it than that, though. Then
this is one of those things that if Charlotte writes
another book, I think that there'll be a lot of
shit that comes out, because I think Chicago ruined her
when Charlotte first came out, before the Tiffany Stratton shit
was really set in stone right in the early days
when she came out, and Chicago really broke her down

(49:32):
when she was trying to be earnest and I don't
know why, but she wanted to be earnest in Chicago
of all fucking places, and she wanted to break her
sob story about how difficult life has been and how
the reason that she came back was she was inspired
to get back in the ring from all the nice
messages she got, and Chicago just booed her, fucking mercilessly,

(49:55):
just called her a piece of shit every other name
under the sun. Here she is actically in tears, trying
to at least spill her guts, to the point where
in the middle of that promo she stops and just
starts laughing. And it wasn't one of those laughs like,
oh she's in character, you got her. It was one
of those laughs like what the fuck am I even doing?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah? What am I doing with my life?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I guess once again going back to work. Like the
way that she the way that she acted in that moment,
is the exact way that somebody or yourself when you're
doing a job and you just have that that flash
where you just go, I'm done with this. Yeah, this
is something I am not doing anymore. It's like, you know, indeed,
dot Com, I am fucking over this.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, it's like doing a job for fucking sixteen years.
Sixteen years You've been doing the same job. And I
know there's other people out there that can attest to this.
You've been doing the same fucking thing for sixteen years.
And yes, you get your accolades. Yes, you get your
your respect, but maybe one day you want to actually
see it. Maybe one day you actually want to stand

(51:03):
out in front of people and say, hey, can you
just give me a night? And they say, go fuck
yourself after sixteen years. And that's what that laugh was.
It wasn't like I never got the instinct that, oh,
I'm just gonna quit the business, but it was a
weird thing where here is my actual side, these are
my feelings, here's my humanity, and none of you give

(51:25):
a flying fuck. See in that moment in my mind,
going back before the Tiffany Stratton, that's when she becomes
more heel than ever before. That's when they escalate her
character to a new level, to where she's not just
a bitch, she's not just wicked, she's actually fucking evil.
And she goes out and does things above and beyond

(51:48):
and forces people to hate her more than they ever
have before. But the difference was is Charlotte was genuinely
stuck on this. You gotta make me a phase kick
to keep me a baby face. I gotta be the
good guy. And so the Tiffany Stratton shit was awkward
and weird, and we stumbled through that, and by the
time you get to Alexa Bliss, Alexa Bliss is aimless,

(52:11):
has nowhere to go. But she has a doll that
sells money. She has a gimmick that worked seven years ago.
Like that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
People for some reason are still reacting to her. I mish,
I have this feeling, and I guess I should frame
this a little differently than you know. I'm done with
this job. I think that this act with her and
Alexa is Charlotte quiet quitting. I really think that's what
it is. To some extent. It's the quiet quit of

(52:39):
being like, all right, we just just cheer me, you
know what I mean, Like just cheer me passibly enough.
Let me have my matches. I'll get the belt. I'll
read these promos like I'm doing a fucking fifth grade
book report, you know what I mean. Like it's it's
giving that sort of vibe to it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
She needs a crowd, she needs like a New York
crowd or a Philly crowd to just chant at her.
Just be a heel, Just be a heel, Just be
a heel, because I think that maybe then Charlotte will
truly understand what she's great at People can love you
outside of your character. People can love Ashley. They don't

(53:18):
have to hate on her. Social media doesn't count. Like
in the real world. Is there a lot of people
that come up to Charlotte and go fuck you, you stupid
bitch and then run away? No, right of course not.
If anything, they're probably enamored with her and probably don't
even approach her.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
No, I just know. And that's the unfortunate thing is
that I think that in this situation with Charlotte, and
even though, once again, like you said, on the internet,
the most unpopular position is to acknowledge the fact that
Charlotte is maybe, if not the best, one of the
best women to ever be wrestling in WWA. But like
I know, that's a massively unpopular opinion amongst a lot

(53:56):
of people on the internet because they've decided she sucks
or whatever fucking reason. She always wins. She always wins.
Why is she always pushed?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Way?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Okay, turn around? Why do you fucking like Seth Rollinson?
You dumb hunts right, He's had the same fucking match
for fifteen years. He's been doing the rh austin Ere.
He's fucking special. Since Obama's first fucking administration, and you
losers still keep cheering for him. He's on Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Here's ma serense of it for them. Charlotte makes you
feel things, and I don't necessarily mean below the waist.
Charlotte can bring emotion from a match or a feud
that was almost dead. Charlotte has multiple times. Matter of fact, Still,
I know we're going on the Summer Slam note that
I was talking about earlier, But if you were telling

(54:44):
me one of my favorite matches at Survivor Series, it'll
still be Charlotte versus Ronda.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
And Ronda was a dead fucking dog. Yeah, No one
else got a single match out of her ever. Again,
that was worth a fucking played to piss right. Nobody
no about the Rock, not triple A each nobody, no one,
not a sword. And so when yeah, so when people
say to me, when they're like, oh, she's thicking sick,
she nick, I'm like, all right, you're just you're letting

(55:12):
the fact that you, for whatever reason, are annoyed with her.
You probably like, fucking h what's her face there? You're
probably a Sasha person, and therefore you just love Sasha
and think she's brilliant and she should have fifteen belts
and that's cool. She's not a pathetic mark for herself
or anything, and you get fixated on that as opposed
to who can have a match with anybody and make

(55:35):
them look good. Now, with that said, I'm willing to
think that that might be a part of why she's
also just like I'm going to quiet quit and do
this thing with Alexa and fuck it and we'll just
sell fucking T shirts for Alexa because she probably thought
to herself she couldn't get a good match out of Tiffany. Dude,
she couldn't drag a good match out of that girl.
And it probably.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Tiffany has stumbled ever since. I'll be honest, Tiffany is
not recovered and there's another person.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Just be hill, just be he yeah, just be here.
We're fun. Just just do that. And I get it
because she's like the other a side of the coin
where it's like Charlotte's so good at being a heel
because she's good at being nasty and obviously there's something
about it that people want to fucking boo. But they're like, oh, well,
we don't want to cheer, we don't want to boo

(56:22):
Tiffany because she's just like young, pretty blonde girl with
a tit smash together. But clearly her as a babyface
is not good. Clearly it's not working right, she ain't
ready for it.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
And well, and that's a weird problem is that there's
a lot of people that want to cheer the heels.
I think Charlotte is one of those people that as
a heel the most part besides the few most people
will boo and there's got to be respect for that position.
I don't know if this is a Charlotte move or
a WWE move, or maybe it's just a matter of,
you know, this last comeback for her after this this

(56:55):
leg injury. You know, maybe she really is changed on
the inside. She lost in I saw that post in
the chat. Maybe that fucked with her too. I'm not
sure something has clearly changed. However, the fact that people
want her as a heel and the best work she's
ever done is as a heel, and her namesake is
valued as a heel, don't push her as a face.

(57:17):
The only time people bought Rick Flair as a face
was when he was already seventy years old, and even then,
it's just.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Or he was fighting against a heel that was so
physically dominant, or yeah heart, yeah right, we can't attest
such monsters as double Jack. Yeah, but no, it's really
you're in this position where and this is what's going

(57:47):
on in WWE right now, And I think has always
at least quietly gone on in pro wrestling. But there
was a time when babyfaces actually knew how to get
over remain over perform as babyfaces and not like the
A four let me you know conversation we've had where
baby faces let themselves get looked like complete fucking whimps.
But yeah, dude, I don't know like what we're going

(58:10):
to see going forward. And I know we have to
bring her up because I think she's doing amazing work.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
We got to go back to the Becky and Nicky
thing because that's what we were trying to close the gap. Right,
So yes, yes, so Becky and Nikki promo continued on.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
Becky Lynch really is one of the greatest of all times,
the greatest, No, And I mean I am so proud
of all of your accomplishments. You know, I remember when
I first met you. You had such great potential and
it was supercars like Becky Lynch, where I knew it
was okay to take a step away because the women's

(58:46):
division was in such great hands.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
That means a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I've always respected you. Oh my, thank you.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
But you know what you turned out to be such
a disappointment.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, excuse me?

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Oh yeah, I mean the same hands that I left
the division and has stubbed everyone in the back. And
I mean, Becky, you're supposed to be here raising a generation.
You literally are handcuffing them. You know, I came back
here to test myself because this is the best the
division has ever been. Right, Yes, but you want to

(59:28):
know what I've been trying to figure out. Why did
you come back? I mean you could have stayed away.
I mean, were you really that jealous watching women like
Lyra kill it? Or let me guess, Hollywood just wasn't
what you thought it would be.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
No, no, no.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
No, no, no, don't do don't don't don't talk to
me about Hollywood. I am a featured player in the
hottest movie of the summer, Happy Gilmore Too, streaming on Netflix.
And wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, I
remember I remember seeing you on set there too. Weren't

(01:00:08):
you supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Be in it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Oh but your role got caught because there is only
room in that movie for one of us that it
wasn't gonna be you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
I am so sick of this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
I'm not buying this.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
The blah blah blah blah blah. You are liared just
like your husband. But but you want to know the difference.
We all bought testlies. No one buys your bs, no one.
You are that same insecure, little scared girl that came

(01:00:43):
into this division.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Oh okay, do not talk about me and my hot husband.
Me and my hot husband are the greatest wrestling couple
of all time. But wait a minute. At one point

(01:01:08):
that would have been you and your Oh wait, you
can't see him anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
And Becky, in a rare form, was genuinely cheered. This
was one of those moments that they were trying to
build up for the future fight. Now we're going to
have Becky versus Nicki in their first fight ever. Apparently
it's never happened before. I saw somebody say that they
were in a mixed tag at one point. Maybe that's
the case, but they've never had a singles match, So

(01:01:53):
who is looking forward to Becky versus NICKI. Look, the
promo itself was fine. It got people on their feet,
that's great. But I don't know if I'm ever going
to find myself in a position where I'm looking forward
to a Nikki Bella and Becky Lynch match.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
No, there's nothing to that that's going to that's that's
not going to make anybody go oohie. I better tune in.
And you know that's going to be in a pay
per view. It'll be at you know, whatever the Paris
Show or whatever they got coming up. And truthfully, Becky
and this character, I'm glad they're moving her away from

(01:02:31):
the Bird and Bailey. Please let that be a thing.
Let's move on from it. But just even Becky doing
the shit where she's now openly talking about and acknowledging
sess too, it's already bad enough. She's just my hot husband,
my hot husband, my hot husband, which, by the way,
like her being like my hot husband, and then a

(01:02:54):
third of the crowd cheers for it. I'm so fucking
over these crowds having no idea who to boo watch
the chair, having no actual feelings or opinions on everything.
They're just reacting to shit like out of sheer confusion.
It feels like it's a oh I just my hot husband.

(01:03:15):
And I'll say this once again, not to give Nikki
Bella too much credit, but at least she said, you
know what, you're a liar, just like your husband's a liar.
I was like, well, thank god, glad, that's the thing.
Glad we at least mentioned that, we pointed out the
fact that she's a liar, and she should probably then
say to her and say, and Becky, just like your husband,

(01:03:36):
you can't win a match without somebody interfering or cheating
or blah blah blah blah blah. Oh my hot husband,
my hot husband. Fucking weird, just weird. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
It was their way of also attaching on Becky's side
to Seth. Not that they had to do that. I
just thought it was an interesting move, like, does this
plant the seeds of Becky coming in and saving Seth
at some point? I know, I know, and I don't
want to go down that route too much. I definitely
want to talk with lou about it at some point
in the future, because Seth is still in the master

(01:04:09):
class of things that could have been Seth Rollins has
ruined multiple chances to not only get into my personal
good graces, but to arguably have had some of the
best storylines in the history of WWE, one of them.
Here we are, yeah, and this is well, this is
where we're left. But so the Becky Nicky thing is
the thing we're going to obviously you're talking also about

(01:04:31):
the Naomi promo with Stephanie Vecker coming in there, and
Nicky was basically saying she doesn't care if it's EO
or Ripley who they had a promo earlier in the night,
Osca dressing like a twenty year old version of herself Delicious.
But the three girls were standing around talking and asking
EO if she needed a backup or whatever, and Rio
shows up and says, can we talk? And Ria and

(01:04:53):
EO kind of give each other props for the match.
You know you weren't pin Champ blah blah blah, and
then EO basically saying that you'll never get a chance
to beat me and smiles at her, and they kind
of have their girl front of me thing going too, right,
like they clearly respect each other, but they're going to
give you a good They got the shamest Drew McIntyre
thing going right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
But you know what, though, dude, I am looking forward
to the time where there's a lull, they're not chasing
the title. Maybe they figure something out for some of
these women where they have some people that can carry
the belts. And we have these two together because they
clearly really love each other. Oh yeah, they clearly have

(01:05:36):
like a great chemistry as friends and they care about
each other, and you can just it's funny because you
say that shit sometimes about people that are you know,
tag teams, but very rarely. It feels like it's what
it happens so rarely now and r like the new days,
they're they're genuinely friends. Like if they win out, I

(01:05:58):
could see all three of them going out and seeing
the same movie together, like not on work hours, you know.
And that's where and that's where it used to that
used to be a thing where you would see people
and they would get along and it wasn't this you know,
forced wrestling friendship, you know what I mean. Like you
see it, you just go, oh god, these two really

(01:06:19):
really like each other and care about each other, like
Charlotte Alexa Bliss, Yeah, of course you can tell that's
not forced at all. We finished they even say goodbye es?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Do they say goodbye when they leave work?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Like I know, right? Do they even text each other
when the fucking when they're not dressing and talking about
their match? You know? It's but that's what it is.
It's it's crazy to be because I see those two
and I go, someday they're gonna put them as a
tag team, hopefully, and it's gonna fucking take off. And

(01:06:56):
I'm not saying that it's gonna be uh, you know
that that could be the hardy boys. There's nothing. It's
not going to be for twenty fucking years. But at
least when you have those two like, people will pop
for it. They'll love it. They'll drag good matches out
of girls that probably need to learn how to fucking
work and your dag matches, and that will be really fun.
But for now, it is what the fuck it is.
But it's so obvious how much those two like and

(01:07:19):
care about each other that now when they're having these
little things where it's like, well, you're gonna beat me,
I'm gonna beat you, I Mike, We've seen it before.
Just hug.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I mean honestly, back in the day, you know, it
was Charlotte and Becky before that whole meltdown shit happened.
They were hilarious together because you could tell they genuinely
liked each other. They were genuine friends at one point, right,
and that added to their matches, that added to their promos.
There's something about developing a real friendship with somebody that

(01:07:49):
there's a trust there. There's a basis of trust that
you know that the other person is there to elevate you,
to make you sound good, and to laugh with that
you could just riff off of and if if something
doesn't work, they either got your back or they're gonna
be the one point in laughing at you that you're
laughing yourself like. There's so many different levels of a
complex relationship versus just a work relationship. And that's the

(01:08:12):
problem is you're right, there's a lot of these teams
put together, a lot of these fake friendships put together
on screen that have absolutely no development in the real world.
So they fall flat by the time that they reach
the audience because the audience can smell that it's bullshit.
And as much as people love this, Alexa Bliss and
Charlotte thing. I think it's because they genuinely want them

(01:08:33):
to be friends. But seeing that promo on Monday, seeing
how that played out, Not to rehash what we were
just talking about, but you're literally talking about something so
heavily scripted to look like a fan friendship when it's not.
It's clearly not even that. So we got on the
flip side. We've got EO and Rhea, who have a
good relationship. I'd even like to throw in Stephanie Vecker

(01:08:55):
in there a little bit too, because I think Stephanie
worked really well with them. I think there's a It
was kind of funny because after that matchut, what was
it evolution when all four of the girls did the
high five, and and Nikki was the other one there,
and it was like, oh, well three of these things
are okay, and nick he's just kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It was just awful, but well, right, So Naomi basically
tells Stephanie that she's gonna take her horns off and
shove him up her ass until she walks with the limp,
and then proceeds to booty pop her way off the
screen to replicate the limp that Stephanie Veker is Gonna Have,
which was just prime fucking Naomi.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Where is this Naomi Ben? I'm telling you, I've them frustrating.
I'm getting frustrated because I'm like, where, Why hasn't she
been this funny all along? Why hasn't she been this
entertaining for years? For years, for years. I'm sitting there
and I'm thinking to myself, and I'm going, so this
girl had this much personality and could work and she
was being fucking Sasha's fucking rap dog. Why?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Oh right, Oh that's another thing too. Well, that's because
I think she wanted to be I genuinely think that
Naomi is truly a soft spoken, real nice kind of
like the Bianca Blair thing, right, Like Bianca Blair is
like I was a seamstress in college, and like she
she's I didn't go out drinking or partying or none
of that. I didn't do any of those things. It's like, really, Bianca,

(01:10:20):
you're kind of beautiful and I could see a lot
of dudes getting on you in college. You sure about that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I stayed at home. I loved my mom. We would
talk and it's just it was and we saw her
on the Stephanie podcast What's Your Story podcast? Tell her
life story, and it's like, wow, I didn't expect any
of this. I mean, I didn't expect her to be fucking,
you know, out there, like I don't anybody from the
ecw Alum days or not like two fisted. But at

(01:10:46):
the same time, I thought, oh, yeah, no, she went
out partying, she was probably the popular girl. No, I
was real quiet. I stayed away from the limelight. And
it's like, it's it's funny to me because I'm wondering
if Naomi's kind of like that in the real world too,
if Naomi would prefer the silence, would prefer just hanging
out at home and watching TV or something like that.

(01:11:07):
But this character is just that it's like something internal
inside of her that she is grasping at and pulling
out now and just shoving it out for the world
to see. Like it almost feels like Naomi was up
against the wall one day haha, no pun intended, and
she's like, well, let's either do something or die on
this fine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Right, right, I'm either done or I gotta figure something out.
And it just came out of her right and here we.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Are, And I would not doubt that it wasn't Jimmy
and Jay Montez and Bianca, maybe even Jay. I wouldn't
be surprised if, to me, if all these people played
in a role and said, hey, just fucking do it,
just fucking open that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
What are they gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Shit on it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You know, like they're gonna shit on everything anyways for
the most part, right and like we obviously for what
is worse, you know, we're a fucking part of that
world too. But to some extent, and I have a
feeling that, you know what, I'll attest or I'll attribute
her finding this new part of her personality to basically
everybody else in the family getting over and doing their.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Own feels desperate. It feels desperate to me. I don't
think it came from I don't think it came from
some natural, ingenious conversation that she had with somebody that said,
oh you should try this, and she's like, oh, yeah,
that'd be very good. I think it was complete desperation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
But I'd like to more attribute to how Jake Roberts
invented the DDT he just fell down, you know, I
like to think that was more hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Tomo was a lot more than falling down and making.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Them but like where they're all sitting around at a
table having drinks, fucking just shooting the ship. And then
Naomi started doing something like this and trying to keep
up with the fucking usos and there just silly shit
and them talking. And they looked at her and said,
why aren't you doing that on TV? Babe? Why aren't
you doing that? Because this shit's fucked. You're fucking awesome
like this. We love you well, I think the people

(01:13:03):
will love you too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
And she was like, all right, don't do that. Maybe
she got drunk. Maybe this is the character that comes
out like Bri mode, right, Ah, Like Brie is normal,
she's the nice, everyday mom. She's actually pretty calm and
collected normally. But when you get a couple of Moscow
mules into her in six months of pregnancy, man, she
gets wild. She goes wild. Maybe maybe Naomi had a

(01:13:27):
couple of Bremode nights and people went, you're fucking funny.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Oh no, that's what I'm saying. Man. They're sitting up probably,
you know, sitting around at the table. Everybody's laughing herba's
have a good time, and they're like, you should be
showing this person on television because she's fucking awesome, right,
She's funny, like Naomi's pacing and timing and the way
that she says stuff is legitimately funny. She's funny in
a way that if WWE was to go down the

(01:13:54):
path of deciding to do one of those ROAs again,
which they're probably not going to since the last hingecliff
one they tried to do, they thought like, let's charge
the fans fucking three zillion dollars and put it to
fifty miles from the arena in ten minutes or whatever.
The screw that up. But couldn't you see her on
stage doing a roast and being funny? Yeah? I could, Yeah,
I could totally fucking see her doing it, and like

(01:14:17):
I'm I'm loving what she is doing. But once again,
because there's so much shit with so many of these
wrestlers that's so boring and effective, they're gonna turn her
face by Survivor series. Dude, the crowd's going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
To ta I hope not. You got to keep her
in this mode for a while. She's been a face
for so long and it didn't work. Nobody wants that
glow stuff back. Not because she's not a good wrestler,
but let's be honest. If you're forcing her away from
this caution.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I well she could still do this, but people are
gonna cheer her. It's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
That's already happening. I see the caution tape everywhere in
the audience. Now it's kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Oh, I'm telling you it's gonna It's inevitable. It's inevitable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Let's get to the main event SETH. Rollins defended his
title against La Knight, and I mean the match was fine,
night was strong.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
I barely watched this. I fast forward it a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I know, you hit a burning Hammer and then obviously
you had seam Punk come out there and attack Rollins.
That led to the d Q, and then you had
Roman out there, you had the bron Boys out there,
Paul Hayman was out there. It got very cluster fucky,
and then well we knew.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
What this was gonna be. There's no once again we're
having a match. And like I said, it feels like
two thousand and four, Triple H is booking himself. Shit
where the babyface and never wins gets his match against
Triple H. And then everybody that's ever fucking been friends
with him runs out. We have a big clusterfuck, and

(01:15:42):
then the heels stands strong in the middle of the ring.
After force four straight days of wrestling action that involved
multiple fucking heels, we have to go off the Aaron
Raw with the heels up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Because, of course, isn't it funny day Bronson Reed and
bron Breaker don't have their voices again? Isn't it funny
how that immediately happened as soon as we said that
it would exactly happen that way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Now it's almost like as obvious, empathetically booked.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yes, yeah it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
It was raw. That was raw.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Like I said, the Becky Nikky promo was fine. It
was funny. Seamus and russev are still a highlight for me.
Penta and Grayson and Waller were great, Dominic and Dragon
Lee were great. Like, there was nothing wrong about this
except everything pretty much involving Side.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
And a quarter of the show revolved around him, if
not more.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
And the Charlotte and Alexa Bliss thing. But I don't
even blame them for that. You could literally see that
they were just walking through the motions that there was
it was rough. It was it was comically bad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
But the match itself people reacted to. They did react
to the match, I'll give them that because the pose
down at the beginning of the match got more of
a reaction than the preceding hour plus of the show.
They did. Like, the actual in ring work was fine.
Raquel is really starting to come into herself and she
was getting a reaction. She's doing the power moves and

(01:17:08):
people are listening to them. Yeah, it's it's almost like
Kevin Nashew what he was talking about. It's weird. And
the crowd was still giving Alexa and Charlotte a good reaction.
So the match itself was fine. It's just the promo
before felt like fucking like I said, it felt like
a fucking seventies pour. It was embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
But yeah, so that was your raw. There's a lot
of other things to talk about I got for Thursday,
Like Sophie Cunningham. You know who Sophie Cunningham is with
Newland Clark now, so she's part of the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Well the pretty blonde girl that yeah in Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah, so yeah. Genie Buss floated her an offer undisclosed
for more money than she's ever seen to become part
of Women of Wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I'm that serious. So there's a whole thing that's going
on with the RBS shirt. I don't know if people
or have been following this, but she keeps getting fined
even though she gets fouled, and the WNBA refs are awful,
and she's been very vocal about it. And the TLDR
version is is she flipped around their fines to her,
which is like five thousand, six thousand dollars or something
like that, and because she wore like the RB shirt,

(01:18:17):
Arby's just floated her a million dollars and said, yes,
b our queen, please be our queen. And so they
flipped her a shit ton of money. And now she's
laughing her ass off, going can't wait for the next fine,
you know. And that's when Genie Buss apparently made the
approach and said, hey, why don't you become an enforcer
in Women of Wrestling?

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
She'd be you know what, she would do fine in
that role and in that position.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Oh god, she would oh fuck. And not only that,
Genie Buss being you know, part owner of the La Lakers.
Oh yeah, I mean they're already trying who is it
what rappers? It is ice Cube that was trying to
float Caitlin like five million or a fifteen million dollar
deal or something.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Well, oh yeah, to get her to do in the
Big Three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
They want, they want everybody wants these girls out of
the WNBA. They think that you can. They want to
start an entire league away from the WNBA with these
girls because they have so much faith in them, and
the WNBA has been ridiculously atrocious to them, I mean,
from sponsorship, from payments to everything else. Meanwhile, you have

(01:19:23):
other people like Angel Reese that are demanding this money
and people like nobody gives a shit about you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yeah, without you having this heel role against these two
girls or against whatever the like whatever girl, then there's
really not much to her. Like, they're really not. And
I've watched enough of those games where I know people
like it. They make it about everything out you know,
they make it about race or whatever the fuck and

(01:19:49):
politics and all this other shit. But truthfully, it's that
the girl Caatelin Clark actually plays basketball well. Yeah, and
Angel Race, even in the context of that game, looks awful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
She's no, she's missing a lot like her numbers are
really poor, especially when you compare them to Caitlin Clark.
But people like Sophie Cunningham are basically what Dennis Rodman
to Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Right, I mean, and she's not like some superstar player
if I remember correctly, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Just she's okay, she's not bad. She gets her points.
But her thing is is she has Like isn't she
like a black belt in taekwon do and like all
this other shit, Like Sophie Cunningham is a legitimate badass,
So it's always funny when these girls try to flex
on her. It's like, you know, if you really hurt her,
she could fuck you up, right, Like you get that right,

(01:20:41):
Like none of these people seem to understand that that
this bitch can literally break some bones. And it's I
love the idea of Genie Beuss throwing her fucking and
it had to be pretty. It has to be a
pretty amount to where Arby's and shit like that. She's like, no, no,
I'll throw you real money. Look, they had aj Lee,
and they never got the chance to use aj Lee

(01:21:02):
in Wow in the Ring because that's not what aj
Lee wanted. And they had other people down the road
like Tessa Blanchard and others right that, you know, Jeanie
Buss builds a lot of the company around, but to
get somebody on the level of a Sophie Cunningham, which
has a lot of mainstream interest, and bring that over
to a production Likewow. And I say production more than
promotion because if you've ever watched Wow, even now, even

(01:21:26):
these past weeks, it is so well produced you would
think this show has been on the air for twenty years.
It is that the camera angles are tight, it's filmed
at Vegas, there's always a lively audience, there's a lot
of colors, there's a lot of like splashes, like everything
feels like it's up for twenty twenty five. And the

(01:21:46):
matches are what they are. There's a lot of campiness
in them. But it's like this is perfect to bring
in celebrities and have them have those silly matches. And
I think somebody like a Sophie Cunningham on nderneath the
pay thumb of Genie Buss would do Wonders for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yeah, well, I can tell you this too, And it's
funny because I guess speaking to what's her name, the
angel re check that gets all the heat. I remember
when Britney Griner came back from Russia with all that
whole thing that went on, and I was like, you
know what, let me watch her, let me see what
her deal is, and she's she was like Kevin Durant, dude,

(01:22:27):
like she's a I don't know, she's still a good player.
But like I remember watching that game, even like her
first game back in the States, and I was like, Oh,
if this if the w NBA was fucking successful in
any capacity, this was what four years ago now, yeah,
four years ago. I was like, Oh, if people really
paid attention to this, she would be a fucking star here.

(01:22:47):
But because nobody pays attention to it, it is what
the fuck it is. But no, like I remember seeing
you know, Britney Grinder and I was like, yeah, you
compare her to Angel Reese. I'm like, yeah, she's he's
so much better than her. I don't know if it's
the same now because I think that she's probably in
her mid thirties. I don't think she was even particularly

(01:23:08):
young when all that was going on. But no, like,
if Wow can find a way to do something like
that where they bring in some of the like WNBA
you fucking bring in Britney Grinder. Let Britney Grinder punch
someone in the fucking face or something like that. Why
not it. Yeah, that's at least a positive moving forward
into like, Okay, we're crossing over a little bit and

(01:23:30):
we're using women in sports like we're using the stars
of women in sports.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
My point is it's even more important for somebody like
Genie Buss to do it right. Like, as much as
people love WWE, if Sophie got in there, it would
probably just be one silly Gaga match or a shove
thing here and there, and that's it. Aw wouldn't know
what the fuck to do. They'd make it in some
weird crazy match where she gets to throw one punch
and then I don't know, Sasha Banks does a flip

(01:23:57):
or who knows what the fuck happens. Right, But in
a while she could genuinely be a focus there. And
once again, considering that Genie Buss is a part owner
of the Lakers, like, there's your correlation right there. I
don't know, they're just it feels like it would be
the right move, and they're in Vegas and there's a
lot of pomp and circumstance out there. I mean, how

(01:24:19):
many people would show up just because Sophie's in Vegas.
It's just that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I and you could always just do some sort of
mildly you know, cross promotion thing of the aces and
that night you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Oh yeah, easy, there you go, Yeah, during a basketball game.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Man. And I feel like we'll be able to talk
about this more in Frank and Gus. But I will
say that all of the stories of Vegas being completely dead.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Oh, she's no longer part owner of the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, she's sold. I think I remember
that she sold. Was it her? Both the Lakers done?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, both the Lakers and the Celtics had some sort
of ownership movement.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Because I was I think I was reading this on
I'm not sure it was the Post, but they actually
literally a few days ago, I think the Sophie thing broke,
like five days ago. We're still calling Genie Buss part
owner of the Lakers. So did this happen in the
last five days?

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
It must have been okay, relatively sort of that I
know that, Like, I remember the Celtics had a big movement,
and I think the Lakers did do. But yeah, either way.
I will say this though about Vegas. One, I see
why Vegas wants WrestleMania back, and more specifically, I see
why the Fountain Blue wold want them back. But when
we were there, it was so like where it was busy,

(01:25:36):
was so fucking segmented and so particular. Like we went
to the Fountain Blue where that was based out of
where WWE was doing WrestleMania right all then shit Mania
and the Rows all that other stuff. Dude, that place
was a ghost town. Ghost town. Oh yeah, And it
was beautiful, like beautiful, brand new, gigantic, amazing fucking resort.

(01:26:00):
But I'm also looking at it and I'm going this
resort and the same thing. I mean, I'll skip to
this one, the same thing with what's it called resort worlds.
These two places basically built hotels for a class of
people that in America are shrinking and barely exist right
where it's like, are you super wealthy? And when it
comes to this crazy, opulent, fancy casino and they're like,

(01:26:23):
I don't really have the resources for that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Well that was what I was seeing too. I was
looking up some of the Vegas stuff when you were
up there and seeing out at the current state of Vegas,
and that's pretty much what it is. If you have
the money, you can have a fantastic time in Vegas,
and that's literally what it is. But most of the
people going to Vegas now are people that are looking
to escape just to just go on vacation, not looking

(01:26:47):
to break the bank. And unfortunately, Vegas is no longer
the hotspot destination for those people. And so you have
a lot of these disenfranchised people that think that they're
going to go to Vegas and get great meals that
at great value price, and they're going to go there
and get great hotels and and like just all these
wonderful things and shows for cheap. And it's like, no, no,

(01:27:09):
you don't get any of those things anymore. Those days
of Vegas are done.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Everything is fine dining, high quality prices, and if you're
not willing to break out some serious zeros on your vacation,
Vegas is not going to be a play a pleasure
visit for you. And it's like, I know that you
were going up there, and I was trying not to
pooh pooh on it. I think I threw one video
up of a guy that lives in Vegas, and all
he does is just talk about how awful Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
And I know, and I've.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Seen a few videos of other people that are kind
of doing the same shtick, and I know because I
know Natalie wants to go to Vegas again. She wants
me to go with her to Vegas. And it's like, yeah,
I kind of want to, but I'm not a gambling man.
I'm not a man of those means. I don't take
my pennies. Like the Bible said, Joe, there was the
sun that lost the money, there was the sun that

(01:27:57):
doubled the money, and then there was the sun that
buried the money. I am, oh, I'm the one that
buried the money. But yeah, no, she wanted to go
to Vegas, and I just saw like a lot of
these things that I want to see, like the sphere.
The sphere seems amazing. I want to see some great
movies there or some great shows there. But once again,

(01:28:19):
the prices of what it could have been or used
to be are not reflective of how expensive everything is now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean you got to sort of know
a little bit too, Like we were the type where
we are breakfast people were early risers, anyways, and we
fucking were jet lagged as shit, so that helps too.
But we'd be the type to go out and get
like a really nice, fancy breakfast and then as the
day would go on, we'd snack or get like burgers. Yeah,

(01:28:47):
we went to like water Burger because we were like,
oh cool, we've never been there, and it's a Texas chain,
went to in and out a couple of times, which
you and I went there as fuck it, it's good.
It's still good shit. Yeah, but you can go eat
there for twenty as opposed to if you went into
one of the restaurants in a whole fucking one plate
is twenty five bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
And then they were asking me Lightning just to ask
in the chain, It's like, well, then where else would
you go besides Las Vegas. Well, other people were saying
pretty much, any Indian casino, any native casino you go
to are going to have those old school Las Vegas
vibes to them. Cheap buffets, cheap rooms, they want you
to stay as long as possible. Everything is camped like

(01:29:28):
that vibe still exists in those smaller elements, but you're
also dealing with smaller towns. I know that there's another town,
Joe in Nevada. Yeah, a Reno Reno, No, no, not Reno.
Another one where just the old folks go. And it's
an entire gambling oasis.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I forgot the name of it. But it's a small
town and it's technically the second hottest part in the US,
with number one being Death Valley. But it's right off
of a river. And yeah, apparently that's a good place
to go. So I'm sure somebody will correct me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Well they're saying, they're saying, I'll all the casinos basically
not on the strip are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
There, it is, Lobo said at Laflin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, that makes sense. I think
i'd heard of that before. But that's that's it. All
these other places that are off strip are doing better now.
But people are like, yeah, it's just it's too expensive,
and yeah, dude, if you're like, I'm paying three dollars
and fifty cents for fucking or four dollars for a
water bottle and it's one hundred and ten degrees outside,

(01:30:27):
it's like, come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Well, not even sure say that. The stuff that was
amazing me about Las Vegas was it was sixty five
dollars just to check in early. And that was per hour,
and oh yeah, that's fucking insane. So if you're checking
time is at four pm and your plane lands at ten,
you're telling me you're going to have to spend upwards
of almost what six hundred dollars four hundred dollars. Oh yeah,

(01:30:51):
it was to check in early.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
We dropped our bags and it was fucking it's free.
They'll just hold onto your bags and you can go,
you know, dillydally around and dick around and look at shit.
And that's not the worst. But yeah, god forbid, you
want to fucking throw your bags in a room. Yeah,
it's gonna cost you huge money. But dude, at this point,
every everything, every bit of traveling, everywhere you go, anything
you want to do this other than just sit to

(01:31:15):
get your fucking house is one hundred dollars. That's what
That's what I realized in the best like year or
it's just like, if you want to leave the house,
it's going to be like one hundred dollars, Like are
you seriously Yeah, yeah, that's about it. Like I'll go
to Trader Joe's and spend you know, one hundred and
fifty two hundred bucks on groceries, and I'm like, oh wow,
that's fucking stiff. But then I realized, like, if we

(01:31:37):
go out to eat twice, it's that And that's without
even drinking or being like hey we're burning dan and
getting the ampiquet whatever the fuck. Like that's quite literally
like two meals and fucking so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Oh no, you know, the prices to eat out are
ridiculous these days. Actually, it was kind of funny. I
was seeing a thing on that too about the debt
that DoorDash. DoorDash people are now putting door dash payments
on credit, oh, which I was is insane. So they're
using like what is it Claren to pay for door

(01:32:11):
dash And I'm like, what kind of insanity is this?
So you can't pay for your food right, or you
want dining service, you want delivery, but you can't pay
for it, so you're going to what Claren?

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
So there there's nothing there's nothing funnier today than at
this point when we're seeing any of this ship where
they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
It's not Claren.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
They're like, oh yeah, the economy is improving and these
numbers and blah blah blah blah blah, And I'm sitting there,
I'm going, you're telling gen Z people are leasing burger king.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Right, They're they're getting I don't even understand that. That
is insane to me. So you would rather pay interest
on your hamburger over six months than just pay for
the burger or not eat the burger? Like it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
But dude, like they're offering things where they're like four
payments off one dollar in ninety six cents. I've seen
this shit when I'm cashing out with like PayPal app
where it's like I'll get a fourteenth like it's like
fourteen dollars. I'll be like, I'm buying a couple whatever
little things to the house, a couple of bars of
soap or something, and they're like, would you like to
make three non interest payments of two dollars and ninety cents?

(01:33:25):
So I'm like, Jesus christ Worth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Would would you also like to donate the change to
some children's charity you've never heard of?

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Yes? Of course. Wait hey, where is that eight cents going?
Definitely not into our CEO's pocket, that's for sure. No,
definitely not, definitely not into a false donation by us.
So we can use it as a tax right off.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Can I was like, wait for WrestleMania this year coming
off everybody by twenty six WrestleMania Vegas Part two, be great, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
I'm telling people right now, if you want to do
something decent for yourself, if you're playing on go to Mania,
book a room for the link. It's centrally located. It's
fucking affordable, It's in a decent spot. I mean, I'll
tell you right now. The view, the view from our
room was in and out Burger. You know what can't
be upset about that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
You know, I'll probably go on the outskirts of the
strip and bring myself a blue tent and just join
everybody else out there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Oh man, we saw some amid. We saw some amazing time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
There was a point where we were at the fucking
Circus Circus Gimmick and they still have the old quarter slots.
We have dropped the quarter in. It's like one of
the only casinos that's left in the strip area that
does that. And a girl walked in. She looked like
Nikki Cross in the fucking Wyat six. She was. She
was covered in dirt and carrying shoes and just like

(01:34:48):
and walked by. Emily was like, dude, did you fucking
did you see that? And I was like, I don't
look like a ghost. It was a ghost like it
looked like she I don't know, she was out partying
in some you abducted her and left her in the
middle of the desert or something. But it was like that.
And then there was a point where we're also walking
through that crazy and people know this is like a crazy,
giant fancy mall in the Aria. It's like this beautiful

(01:35:11):
fucking every store is one thousand dollars for everything. And
some guy, some guy walked in with his pants rolled up,
with no shoes, with no shirt on, sunburnt salt tea,
and he's just going, well, those big nd words coming
to get me? What are these big nd words coming
to get me? And Emily and I just both go,

(01:35:32):
oh boy, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Was it neuropathy?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yes, I know, but I was just like and we
just and She's like, oh, it's stretched. I'm like, we're
walking in the direction away from the homeless, crazy, shirtless
dirty guy screaming the N word. We're walking in the
other direction from that. It doesn't matter where we're going.

(01:35:56):
We'll figure it out when we're away from this guy store.
But while we're moving, we look back at this, like
three security guards closing in on the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I'm like, yeah, this is you know, order have made
that funnier if you said he was a black guy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Like yeah, And honestly, if if it was even in
that moment where I'm sitting there, I'd be like, guys,
leave alone. That's his word. Yeah, I mean he's allowed,
he's allowed to roam in here. Shirt was covered in
his own face. He's screaming the N words like, I mean,
who am I to judge him? You know what, He's

(01:36:31):
just expressing himself. Guys, you don't understand his fucking art.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
All right, everyone, Much love for hanging out with us.
Much love listening on the download at home. Make sure
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one next week.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
They didn't have enough wrestling for us to watch it.
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
They didn't. I was actually surprised. I thought they were
gonna go ahead. To head with the Prustlemania, but they
decided better of it, So of course Thursday we'll have
regular Wrestling Soup and whatever else comes through the week.

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