THAT DON'T WORK FOR ME BROTHER (Wrestling Soup 8.21.25) w/ @julianexcalibur

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Quick shout out to Drew Yari's show. If you guys
haven't had a chance to check out the experience, give
him a like and a subscribe and a follow. He's
at one hundred and sixty right now. He's ranked one
hundred and sixty on the on the the the podcast
charts on the Apple Charts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Out of how many though, three bajillions, So that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I mean, how many wrestling podcasts are there. Yeah, that's
not a bad thing, not a bad number at all.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
No, not really when you think about it, although I
will say this, this is where it gets a little
bit crazy for me. Yeah, because say Drew gets I
don't know, five hundred, say five hundred listeners a week.
All right, If you're one hundred and sixty and getting
five hundred well like just weekly downloads or whatever the

(00:53):
fuck you want to call it, then wow, that's really
not great as far as like, okay, well, what is
podcast number three hundred and fifty and then too two
downloads's three? Like that's well, I mean at this point
it sounds like I'm being a dick to the kid,
but we're just so much wildly et saturation point that

(01:14):
now if it's like, oh that person. You know, there's
like a thousand streams on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I'm just gonna move you high up the list out
of thousands and thousands and thousands of shows because there's
just too goddamn many of them. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I just got them listening to Phil and Hughesy and
they had on bidden them in and Jeff from Vince
Russo's podcast, and they were talking about there's been a
lot of drama this week. I don't know if you've
been following the the online podcast Drama Joe, but there's
been a shit ton of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And oh, what's the saying the girls are at it again?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Is that what's going on? I mean I did throw
them a little chat and I said, man, what is
everybody on their rag this week? Like, so, Vince Russo
is mad at Disco, Inferno and Conan because some fan
basically went after, you know, Vince Russo and the Commons
said that he's no longer a part of them because

(02:16):
it's something that Vince Russo said three years ago, and
you know, Conan and Disco took it at face value,
and so they were kind of going back and forth
over that shit, and that was random, right, So like
that's one thing that happened, But it was a good show,
So check it out with hughsy.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, combined age about one and seventy five years to
two hundred between these three guys.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
But yeah's weird how salty people get on some of
the show. I mean, I guess I say that, And
it's not like I haven't been involved in the drama before,
but still.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, No, we've been about we've been about about it.
But there's also something strange to me when it's sixty
year old men. Who gives a fuck? Really, dude, I'm
if I'm sixty years old, being like one made fun
of what I said, Like, I'm just dude, I'm just
trying to make it through the fucking day.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, no, it was more like they were challenging each
other's libido. Is more like, Yeah, it wasn't really like
you made fun of me. It wasn't even like that list.
That's not the way it felt like when they were
discussing it. It felt more like people just clashing libidos.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
But well, I was gonna say, if I had to
take a wager ass to who could fuck longer. I'm
going with this, going for and out. I mean, I
should stand up for Evinual.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Garrett threw it up, all right, Garrett, Yeah, all right,
you know I'll read it. I'll read it, and we'll
move past it. Vince Russo said, Hey, jackass, the Braves
one hundred and one games three years ago, so I
guess that means that they're a great team. Three years later,
they were I think they were arguing about I'm sorry,
and I know I'm kind of like phasing out on this.
They were arguing about whether or not Netflix gives a

(03:51):
flying fuck about their numbers or not, like, ultimately does
wwe care about the numbers with Netflix because they are
got their bag. And I think me and you kind
of agreed with that statement in a lot of ways,
not saying that they wanted to tank Netflix. And you know,
Ben raised up a good point too. He said, yeah,
but you can always do better. Just because they're failing

(04:13):
upwards and they're making all this money doesn't mean that
they don't want the opportunity down the road to make
even more money. And I agree with them. He's right, Obviously,
you should always strive for your best. However, we're also
looking at a company that has been failing upward for
so long, right, you know what I mean? And I
don't think it's a good thing. I don't think it's

(04:33):
a good thing for WW at all. But you have
to wonder at this point if that's really the big contention.
WWE needs to be taught a lesson which they're not
going to be taught unless somebody takes away their money.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So right, Yeah, that's not going to Yeah, they're not
going to change that much at this point unless it's
in a way that is initiated by TKO to make
more money.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Duh.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Right, that's all That's all that is.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But that's where it happened. That's where Jeff and Vince
Russo and Bin we're all right, because they're right, WWE
should strive as a company to always be more successful
than they were the last month. And maybe in WWE's mind,
because they keep making money and they keep profiting more
and more and more, they look at even their failures
as being successes because the money is still rolling in.

(05:25):
It's this weird dichotomy, I guess where it's almost as
if how do you measure success? Do you measure success
based upon the finances you get, because I mean, if
that's the case, then well WWE is completely successful no
matter what they do. Or do you measure success based
upon your previous successes? So in this instance, you'll never

(05:47):
get back to the days of the Attitude era. But
should WWE be striving to have that kind of a
rabid fan base? Should they be disappointed with some of
the numbers that they're supposedly getting on Raw And I'll
get to Dave Melterer in a minute, because he said
some stupid fucking shit again, But should they be disappointed
with the numbers that they're doing on Netflix even though

(06:09):
they're making money hand over fist because they're not drawing
in the eight million that they had in nineteen ninety nine.
You know, it's it's a weird thing. It's like, it
really comes down to your your philosophy. How do you
measure success? Do you just measure based on money? Because
if that's the case, then Conan and Disco right, But

(06:31):
if you base success on the amount of people that
follow you, the amount of people that pay for your tickets,
the amount of potential growth you have, well, then Vince
Russo and Jeff and Bin were right, you.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Know, well it is exactly what you value, whether it
be as a person or as a company in that moment,
So yes, if so. Wait, so Russo is trying to
make the claim that they should be getting more viewers basically, right, yes, yeah,
what he's going whir aren't they getting more viewers? And
Disco and Conan are just like, well, they're making a

(07:04):
lot of money, so they don't give a fuck anyways, right.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Right, And this was all started by a guy who
fucking sent in an email talking about how he's quitting
Russo's thing for something that he said three years ago.
So it's like a it's a mess of real feelings,
it's a mess of bravado. And then it's just I
don't know if the dude was a troll or legit
or whatever, but it's like, dude, if you're holding on

(07:28):
something for three years and then coming out with it
on another person's show, that's just I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well, this is when you're dealing with two different types
of people, and the way that they interacted with this
business or if we got this business with a job,
let's call it the way that they interacted with this job,
do you know what I mean? So, with Conan and
with Disco Inferno, you have two men who interacted with

(07:56):
this profession physically, with their bodies, with their time, with
their mind, with their physical well being. Right. So, to them,
if you just got enough money and you keep going
and you're working along and that money equals not having
to fucking throw yourself on your neck and head, they
see that as a win. Right. I completely understand that.

(08:21):
But how did Vince Russo have his introduction into the
job a biz? The job? His whole thing was, I
got the praise of coming up with ideas. I was
an idea guy, I was funny or people wanted to watch.

(08:41):
So many people watched my show. So to him, that's
what the value is. To him, the value is how
many people are watching and saying, oh, you're so smart.
Isn't that great? And the money comes with it after that.
But for the other guys, like one of which has
had a zillion fucking hell problems in his mind, he's like,

(09:01):
you know what, I would rather have had a fucking
ten million dollars instead of a fucking five star matches
from Dave Meltzer and then people coming up to me
at conventions and going wow, I.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Wouldn't even throw Dave Meltzer into that level of the mix,
only because Da Meltz.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh no, no, I'm just talking about those dudes. I'm
not talking about I got fuck Dave Meltzer and Master
cares fucking gives a shit about that guy. It's ridiculous
at this point. He's just a lowcow. But uh no,
that I see where their perspective is on the business differ.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
But I think both philosophies are right, I honestly, I mean,
all depends on what you want. I mean, in a
perfect world, they would be doing eight eight million, you know,
a show and making money hand over fist. I think
that would be the best variation.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
But yeah, and in a perfect world, you know, I
don't know, everything would be fantastic and swell and everybody
would get everything. No, that's just not really how it works.
And even if we want to break it down to
the smallest you know, once again, job just a job.
What do you value in your job? There are a

(10:09):
lot of people right now who are not a billion,
but enough people maybe not in this economy, they might
be locked into some job they hate. But there were
people where it was. You know, I was a lawyer
and I fucking.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Hated it, right, So I got out, I took the
money I had, and now I work at a fucking
Starbucks or I work at a fucking motorcycle shop whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know what I mean? Like, what do you value?
Do you value working seventy five hours a week and
making a shit ton of money but being so stressed
that you can't enjoy it? Or do you want to
be somebody that works forty hours a week at the
Costco meat department make enough money to live and you're like, hey, guys,
you want.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
To, But in this scenario, it's different. You're actually kind
of being unfair because it wouldn't be about working seventy
hours a week and being stressed out. It would be
working seventy hours a week and helping people that direly
need your help. Well there, yeah, you see what I mean.
Like you have to give the positive side to it,
because both sides or both arguments have their positives. So yeah,

(11:17):
you're right, maybe you are stressed out working seventy hours
a week, but you've just saved twenty families from the acts. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's I and I have friends and you know, I've
been in that position myself, but like I've had friends
that like that's quite literally their fucking careers, and at
some point you do have to look at them and
go like, man, you gotta slow.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Down because you know you're burning men.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Help them? Yeah, you can't help them if you're not
good for yourself, right, you know what I mean, Like
if you can't there's a reason when the fucking airplane
goes down, they say, put the mask on yourself first,
because you can't help anybody if you fucking you know,
your longest cave did. So that's where we're at. And
I think that you know, that little back and forth,

(12:03):
these guys kind of pissed him mount and at each other.
It's just a different perspective and philosophy in life.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
And it was just a small important I mean, there
was a couple of the things I wanted to bring
up before we even got to the start of the show. Obviously,
later on tonight we're going to have on Julian Cannon,
who was live at the Summer Slam. He was working
in the Associated Press when they shut everything down, and
I know he has a couple of stories that really
haven't come out about what happened with Triple H and
w W and Summer Slam. But I also wanted to

(12:31):
talk about the other podcast issues that were going on too,
because myself and Andrew did a show last week and
we kind of went down the rabbit hole of different podcasts.
And I don't normally talk about like rankings and shit
like that. I tried not to. It's it's kind of
like just odd, but I was. There's just so many
new outlets of podcasts, and so we kind of went

(12:53):
down the list and we talked about ones that we
liked and ones that we didn't like, ones that are
still peering up on these lists, which are surprising, Like
Stone Colts podcast still does very well, and it really
hasn't done much in years, so there hasn't been a
new episode in a long time. So it's it's interesting
to see how many people still go back to the

(13:14):
wells that they really truly enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And well, that's also something like that. Miss It's if
it's an interview or something, it ages differently for people, right,
you know, like they're like, oh, Stone Cold, Steve Austin's
talking to brock Lesner It's not like somebody sees that
and goes, ah, that's old news. It's still they.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Can revisit it.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
You know, well, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I talked about Stephen Richards podcast, and I think me
and you kind of talked about a tongue in cheek
on a Frank and Gus maybe two weeks ago. But
I felt like there was a point that he was
becoming very performative. And I don't know if you've noticed,
but fucking as of this last week, he's completely changed
his format back. It's not clickbait titles. It's just right

(13:54):
in your face, what are you talking about this week?
Chris Jericho's most likely going to ww WEE, here's why.
And it's just simple like that. And I really appreciate
that because I really like Stephen Richards. I don't want
Stephen Richards to be a performative guy. And I'm not
saying that my voice mattered, but I would assume that
there was a lot of other people that felt the

(14:14):
same way I did about that weird little bump in
the road that he had there where he was trying
to do the clickbait stuff. So I kind of like
the fact that he's reeled it back in his shows
are continuing to be great. And somebody else that I
talked about being performative was Maven And I listened to
mavin shows here and there, again not thinking my voice

(14:35):
means anything, but I'm sure there was a lot of
other people that are like minded that felt that there
was a lot of performance coming from some of Maven's
shows and the performance level. Like, the most performative podcaster
I've ever really listened to is Kenny Bowlin, Like I
put him at the top. Yeah, but it's true though,

(14:56):
Like if you've ever watched or listen to a Kenny
Bowlan podcast, and I'm not saying that the dude is
always disingenuous or anything else like that, but he is
very performative. It is you are watching a show, you know,
This is not two guys sitting around hanging out. You know.
And obviously Stephanie McMahon's name came up for performance to
in certain ways, but I think she has a lot

(15:18):
of you know, purity about her when it comes to
certain like situations, Like I genuinely feel she wasn't bullshitting
the world when she was excited to talk to Naomi
and Jim about the baby. That is one of those moments.
It's like, of course she's happy, she has three kids,
you know, you know what I mean, Like there are
just certain areas and ma even on this week he

(15:39):
had on Undertaker's co host or his former co host,
and obviously Undertaker now does the show the New Show
with his wife with Michelle McCool and this week they
had on Bubba Dudley and it wasn't bad with him
and Bubba were fine. They were fine. They were talking
a little bit about LFG. There were some moments where,

(16:01):
you know, Bubba brought up like how I'm surprised you
even do LFG considering it pulls back a lot of
you know, what happens in the trade further than you
would like. An Undertaker openly felt uncomfortable. He's like, yeah,
you know, almost like it's a paycheck. Dude, Like, yeah,

(16:21):
you're right, I mean because because obviously, you know, lu
Fisto and Jeff Lipman do the LFG show wrestling stew
and there are actual criticisms, there's actual coaching that happens
with these kids. It's not all just TV performative. But anyways,
getting back to you know, Maven's interview. I thought he
did a really good job and again reeled it back in,

(16:44):
had a nice relaxing conversation. There was even a point
where Maven was saying, He's like, look, you have to
understand I talk to my boys differently than I do
when I talk with my significant other. And it's like, yeah,
I guess that makes sense. So he's performative when he's
on camera at times and completely different obviously in the

(17:05):
real world, and that's fine. I'm not saying that that's
bad in any way. But there was a couple of feedbacks.
There was a video that was floating around I'm not
sure if Garet threw it up or see m goo
for somebody threw it up of one of these YouTube
reaction channels that was very pissed off at how Undertaker
handled the situation and what had happened was basically he

(17:31):
was kind of pushed out when Undertaker went to WWE
to produce his podcast, and there was no ill will,
there was no bad feelings at least that's not the
way it sounded. And this is a scenario too where
Undertaker gets to work with his wife, so it's obviously
more money for them, but I guess these fans are

(17:52):
This fan anyways took it in a personal way and
thought that Undertaker was a complete scumbag for doing it.
It's a weird notion, and you don't know the details
of it. You don't know if Undertaker gave him a
severance package. You don't know if there was anything else
that came of it. But it's just one of these
weird things where if the podcast breaks up, everything does change.

(18:18):
It's not the same Undertaker and Michelle McCool as. Even
Maven was saying, you don't talk to your spouse the
same way you talk to your boys, it's going to
be a different show, and you can immediately tell the difference.
The difference is that when Undertaker's sitting there with Michelle,
it feels like a family environment. It's like you're walking

(18:39):
into somebody's home and you're about to break bread. It
doesn't feel like a podcast.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So she's talking to a church dance mom.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like that, That's what it comes down to. It's like,
I don't even think it needs like that deep of
an explanation. He was talking to a dude and talking
shit and shooting a shit about wrestling. Now he's sitting
there talking to like your mini van fucking white rich
Lady's that's what it is. Like, that's a completely different

(19:10):
po But we're supposed.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
To respect her as a WWE Hall of Famer now too.
I know, I know, I know, still I'm reading the
glass half full, but I'm trying to look at it
from the casual perspective. Right. So, the way that this
podcast is going to be marketed is it isn't going
to be soccer mom and you know, former old wrestling

(19:34):
guy talks to you about things. It's going to be
two WWE Hall of Fame legends discuss wrestling on the
week and some of the road stories and life stories
they've learned along the way. Like, you know, this is
how it's presented. You know, this is the banner that
WWE is going to waive when promoting this show because

(19:55):
they're not going to look at it from the smart perspective.
They're not going to look at it for the ITWC perspective,
even though they should since they're probably a majority of
the viewers slash listeners. They're going to look at it
from the sponsor's point of view. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if this is impressive to surf Shark VPN and code

(20:15):
name Steph, then yeah, that's what they're going to do.
They don't give a shit about the actual demographic of
listeners and viewers, Like they don't care if they're from
Ireland or Bulgaria or Pakistan as long as they tick
that box, as long as they get the YouTube numbers.
This is what they present to their sponsors. So in

(20:38):
the sponsor's mind, oh wow, not just one Hall of Famer,
but two and they're married, Take my money please, And
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You know, right, we're gonna get such a unique show.
And you're like, no, not really, but yeah, man, it
is very amusing to me that all of that that's
going down. But you also have to remember this too,
and you know, pick a pick a name, any name, right,

(21:08):
some musician whoever might be. He's bringing a backing band
with him, and that's kind of who you are and
where you're going to be in the realm of like
what's your level of importance? You know, like there's a
pick any big dumb country guy like Morgan Wallen, Morgan

(21:28):
Wallin's fucking bass guitar player doesn't command any sort of anything.
So if somebody was to say to him, hey, listen,
you going out on tour and you have this bassis
for that's more popular, this guitarist that's from this other
band that wants to play with you, more than likely
you're just getting fucking chit canned and you should kind

(21:51):
of see that coming. Sure, you know, yeah, like that's
that's just my blanket perspective on it. And also yeah,
if you want to look at it from the perspective
of just somebody that's watching it or listening to it
and you're pissed because you like that guy, I don't know.
I didn't listen to enough of the show to.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh no, it's fine. It really isn't about the weight
of it. I think I think Maven did a good
sit down interview and the I don't even want to
say issues because it's not like that. I have personal
tastes in what I like in my podcasts. Right, sometimes
I do feel performative. I used to listen to Kenny
Bolan's podcast all the time, was regularly a part of
his chat, and was amused by the circus of people

(22:34):
that were in his chat and on his show, and
I mean, you want to go back to wrestling Soup
twenty ten, twenty eleven. I mean, there were absolutely some
similarities there with some of the clientele.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But well you also have to remember too, is like
I think this is an important part of doing shows
and doing them long term, and you know, doing them
multiple times a week. Yeah, you're not the same person
every fucking day. Like I'm not. I'm not saying you're
gonna wake up one day and be like, you know,
let's fucking you know, let's set the world on fire

(23:09):
and the next day you're like shiny, happy people. But
like you need to you need to understand, like you're
gonna be different.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Like that's just no Michael Stipe references here, guys. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's uh well, I mean I was gonna get dark
with it, but I didn't want to insult my uh
my three Israeli.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Listeners that we have.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
So it's just I was especially superass the right to exist, yes,
of course, yeah, we have the right to defend ourselves.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
How many how many listeners are we going to lose
when the fifty five million people are sent back home.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
From where from? Uh it's from Israel. No, they're not
sending them home there. They have another way of something them.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
But yeah, no, I thought I thought May even did
a good interview. I just kind of wanted to, like,
you know, track that because I think that there was
a I got a couple of pms about it, and
I even had to I even had to clarify my
point at Stephen Richards. It's like, no, man, I don't
dislike Stephen Richards at all. I love the dude. I
used to follow his tech podcasts and everything. To be fair,
I never really followed his fitness podcast. Maybe I'd be

(24:15):
in a better position in my life maybe yeah, yeah,
it's one of those maybe I should have like a
dumb ass. But I've never had anything but love for
Stephen Richards. That's why it was such a weird switch
for me when all of a sudden, I was like, whoa,
it's zany Stephen Richards. I mean he comes from that
life too. I mean, if you want to go back
to his E c W stuff, even it was silly,

(24:37):
but I don't know, It's just I'm so used to
him being a straight laced guy that him all of
a sudden putting on the wacky hat and the goggles.
I'm just like, I don't know if I like this.
So anyways, everything's fixed, Everything is good. What was the
other the other thing that just went on?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Something something happened with the old old man Dave.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
You said, oh Dave two. Oh well, Jim, Jim got
into a with his uh his former artists. That was
another solo podcast or stuff, Travis or whatever. I might
be wrong on his name, I'm blanking on his name.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
But basically Travis, Yeah, yeah, I think I was on
Tony Talk Wrestling with him once and it was fun.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
He was he seemed like a nice guy, but basically
he's a far far right maga individual and obviously Jim Cornett.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Is not h Yeah, he doesn't jive with that right
And it.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Was a weird thing. And I kind of think everybody's
a little wrong in this, and I know me and
you kind of talked about it in passing too. But
I mean the fact that he was using his name
with the show, associated with the show, the account that
was associated with the show, in order to say some
of these crazy fucking right wing things about Biden and
everything else like that, that's his fault. I'm sorry. There's

(25:54):
no business in the world that's going to allow you
to work under their banner and then just starts spouting
off crazy political shit, no matter even if they agree,
even if they agree with you, I wouldn't be surprised
if there's companies that go, shut the fuck up, what
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right? Right? They don't want any well, dude, especially where
we're at now. I mean, this is not We're not
living in a world like we were twenty years ago,
where it's like, I'll tell you what I like Romney's
policies on trade, like that's not what we're talking about anymore.
It's sad, and I almost, I almost.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I do miss it. I miss people being able to
just really rail in their political beliefs.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, no, for sure about about but in like a normal,
healthy way, not in a you know, this is a
thing that I'm into, And now I have found myself
going down some internet fucking rabbit hole about lizard people
and shit, and it's.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Got no but you're right, it was just too much,
was just too fucking much. And it's like, and Jim's
side was Jim is a shoot first, ask questions kind
of guy later, you know what I mean? And I'm
not saying that in this scenario of being the boss.
Obviously its name, it's his name. He can feel however

(27:17):
he wants to about it. But if this guy was
a friend for ten years and he on his show,
he made it very much sound like him and Travis
were friends and he had no clue about his right
leaning proclivities. But if you're that friendly with somebody and
you've been working with them for ten years, like there
should have been some manner of communication, especially about something

(27:41):
about as serious as this, you know what I mean,
Like it's I guess, I guess that's the part where
I just kind of look at Jim and go, man,
couldn't there have been another way?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Honest Honestly, after listening to that whole thing, hmm, I
thought it was pretty measured of him to just say, hey, listen,
just don't just don't do it anymore. He said, basically,
don't get rid of it. He's not saying you must
delete everything and you may never feel a feeling ever again,
which is this is how the Internet interprets things, because

(28:13):
everybody now has been raised to believe like they're the
fucking the problem person, the fucking what's the word. I'm like,
the antagonist done a reality show, right instead of a
human fucking being. But that's what it was, like, I guess,
Jim Head basically that.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Was my fault. You're right, I forgot the piece of
the story which people are clarifying now where Travis just
kind of said is it was like a Twitter thing,
you know, thank you for the memories kind of deal
and gotta go. And I don't know if that's right.
On the show supposedly tried to reach out and there
was no communication there, but that was already after everything
was already done. It wasn't like they were trying to

(28:50):
communicate before Travis got to this point. It's very it's
a very weird situation that, honestly, everything screams to me.
You guys don't communicate like at all, you know what
I mean, like at all? Yeah, Well, it sounds like
I'm not saying that it wouldn't have ended up this way.
It might have very well ended up the same fucking way,
but at least the communication would have been there, so

(29:13):
people aren't scratching their heads going, why isn't he picking
up his phone?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Man? I think that it's still what it kind of
comes to when I heard this is I'm you're walking
away from a job that I'm sure is paying you
good money to do very little. Oh yeah, at home,
because you so desperately need to tweet about Jewish space lasers.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The political that's.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
The most important thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like there are people that attach their hearts to that, though, Joe,
you know what I mean, Like, I understand you're mocking
the silliness of it, and his beliefs are silly to you,
and I get that, But to Travis they're probably very real.
Well that's that's nice. But that's all I'm saying is
like I can make up a buffoon out of the
guy by painting everything that he believes as being silly

(30:07):
and stupid. But to Travis, in that moment especially, he
felt strongly enough about it to not give a fuck
about working for Jim anymore. He felt strongly enough about
it to stand behind the scruples of what he was
posting and believed in over working a fucking like you said,
an amazing job with very little work and tons of fanfare.

(30:29):
So he must have been happy in that moment, right
he made the decision.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
He's the one that left no, it's sad and honest
to God, I say that, and there's no sarcasm to
this whatsoever. So once again, don't take what my voice
is saying, Cake, please listen to my words in this moment.
It is sad what we have seen happen with people
over the last ten years, with families, with friends, with

(30:55):
whatever it might be, whatever relationship they had sure completely
fucked can disintegrate because people have a hole in their
heart that can seemingly owly be filled by the musings
of a slumlord pedophile. And if they they don't have

(31:15):
the admiration and the blind fucking dedication, then they don't
know what to do with themselves, right, And it's sad.
Like I'm once again not trying to be a fucking asshole,
but that is really what we're seeing. We're seeing people
who are just like, I'm not gonna interact with my
family anymore because they had bad words to say about

(31:38):
my favorite slumbord pedophile. It doesn't matter to me. I
will lose every I'll lose thousands of dollars all that's
fucking it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
It is. I agree with you there. When people are
ditching their friends and their family over politics. I think
that's a little bit looney. But that doesn't mean to
those people that they don't feel that's wrongly enough about it,
that these things aren't worth it. And I don't understand that,
And I'm fine with not understanding that. I don't want
to understand that.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I really am glad I don't understand, right, because it
would make me deeply sad if there was a point
in my life where, you know, everybody looks back and goes,
I wish I did this, or I did what. This
was bad timing or whatever it might be.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Sure, but I.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Really hope there's not a point in my life where
I look back and I go I scared people away,
I missed out on opportunities. I didn't get to do
everything I wanted to do because I was too obsessed
with this one fucking thing, right, And I was willing
to fucking piss everything away, or piss a lot of
things in my life away for this one fucking thing, which,

(32:46):
by the way, is not like there's real value to this.
This isn't like someone that's like, oh, bros over hose Man,
like you're gonna do You're gonna just piss it away.
For your wife and children. We're going fishing. Like no,
this is quite literally once again for a fucking slum
word pedophile. Right, just throw my whole fucking everything away.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know. It's very fucking.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Strange and still the only word I can use for
this sad, because I do think that that dude is
fucking clearly very creative.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Wrestling sep for a mature audience.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Wrestling Soup. I am Anthony, he is Joe. I know
we're gonna have Juliana in a few minutes.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
That stuff's all. That stuff's all got to go in though, Massa.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I want to make white people no, no, nobody cares
about that ship.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'll make sure they all know about that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I know what I've been doing. I don't know if
you caught the actual podcast on the free feed versus
the pro feed the Patreon feed, But a lot of
the times on the Patreon feed, I'll just pretty much
cap the whole front of the show and just let
it ride. But on the free feed, I'll just take
out some of it and put it in there, or
I'll take out none of it and just start it
at Wrestling Soup but either way, it's always available, it's

(34:24):
always uploaded. You know, I don't really hide anything other
than this week's faux pas. On Tuesday, I still got
to upload that. But yeah, pro feed, Sorry, I've met
Patreon feed. I should never call myself a pro thank you.
But yeah, No, it's been an interesting week. You know.
I guess a lot of people are talking about the

(34:45):
ESPN deal. You know, the WWE is pretty much foreclosing
on aw space. Dave Meltzer has some crazy takes on
the actual numbers that WWE is doing on Netflix, and
then the Hulk Hogan stuff has really kind of broken
damn a little bit too, with Bubba and now TMZ
and a lot of other places that are trying to

(35:07):
say that Hulk Hogan might not have died if it
wasn't for you know, medical malpractice.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
And somebody's covering up and somebody killed Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
That's what you're saying my opinion.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Now, mind you let me prequalify my opinion by saying,
I was absolutely denounced as a nut job, as a
fat ass loud mouth has been shop job, as a
guy who had a personal acts to gain.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
With wooy club feet and likes to watch bald orange
man plow his wife.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
He went fatass? Second, h that shall I accuse somebody
of male practice and murder? And they were like, listen,
you're a liar. You're a big, chubby chub job who
eats cookies all day. Like, wait a second, why is
that man?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
How big of a liar is he? If he's if
he's only a big tubby tub tub Second, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Dude, you need to step your lie game up.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I de no, either that or stuff the fat game up?
Come on, catch up to the lies. Yeah. More more,
a's a game, man. More. I like that.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I You'll be like, listen, man, it takes a lot
of effort to lie constantly. But chicken wings right y, yeah,
those all the time?

Speaker 6 (36:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Like, don't it little munchkins looking eat up? Yeah? No, okay,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. Abubb of the Love Sponge.
I'm sure he has some great evidence.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Sure, yeah, let's let's go back to a little bit
of Bubba's spots.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I was absolutely denounced as a nut job, as a
fat ass loud mouth has been shop jop. I got
a guy who had a personal act to gain with Terry.
When I was the only person that was giving you
the information that Terry was not doing well and that

(37:12):
he might die. I said that, Seth will tell you
the day June eighteenth.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I said that, I said Terry wasn't doing well.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Ooh, ooh, ooh. I told you he was almost dead.
He he oh. Man, Yeah, what a great fucking news
guy you are.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
That's that's awesome. So Brooke Hogan was also told that
bodycam video would change the narrative about Hulk's death. TMZ
reported Hulk Hogan's death may have been caused by medical malpractice.
According to the police report, which is on lockdown, a
therapist who was at the house when Hogan passed told
responding officers Hulk was the victim of medical malpractice. The

(37:58):
therapist says, during a recent operation, it's unclear if it
was the surgery to repair his heart or a neck procedure,
the surgeon severed his frontic nerve. The nerve stimulates the diaphragm,
which controls breathing. TMZ sources say Hulp's wife, Sky sounded
the alarm when he stopped breathing, and then that's when

(38:20):
the nine to one one call was made. There was
also reportedly conversations among the officers at the scene where
they talked about what the therapist had told them. And this
is all on bodycam, and it's a fair assumption that
the conversation between the occupational therapists and the officers is
also on the body cam. So I don't I mean,

(38:44):
it's a it's a weird scenario to think that it
could be medical malpractice that took out Hulkokin.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Wow, imagine all that. Imagine him living that whole fucking
life and he gets taken out by someone not wanting
to do their job. I mean, God, Jesus, I'm not
going to do the job you had it like, all right,

(39:15):
shows over see you later, I thought.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Jesus, thanks for showing, Julian.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Now make sure to share that with other people though,
really think you're doing classy work.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh my god, man, I don't die.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Of natural causes.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Brother, I'm kicking out a two jack.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I gotta say, it is crazy levels of cope to
me at this point, where, dude, how could Holkogan have
died of natural causes? He was only a thousand years old,
filled with eight and had a thousand fucking surgeries and
did steroids for seven thousand years. What how could that
ever lead to a heart attack.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
This has reminded me a lot of Michael Jackson in
two thousand and nine with the doctor fucking up all
the practices.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, but that doctor was Michael Jackson was very clearly
addicted to drugs because he'd had complex trauma that happened
his entire fucking life, you know. So that's that's one
thing to be like, ho Hogan had a heart attack.
It's like, oh, maybe the gallons of fucking trenbuterol and
the non stop fucking beaten the ship out of your body.

(40:33):
And I'm sure absolutely no cocaine whatsoever. I'm sure none
of these things. It must have just been that rotten
doctor that did it to him. You know, he can't
even this. This is oh my god, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
There is something to be said about a doctor that's,
you know, called on the scene, fucks up and then
covers it up. I mean, look, it would have been
one thing, all right, let me ask you, oh shit,
let me ask you both. Do you think it would
have come off better if there was a doctor that said, hey,
I fucked up, and then he had to deal with

(41:06):
the fallout of that versus the police now have supposedly
covered it up, the doctor supposedly covered it up, and
now when they're asking for the autopsy report, nobody can
get a straight answer. Like this feels more like a
conspiracy at this point.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
If he would have came out and said that he
fucked up, I think what happened to his career. If
he did, he would have been either blacklisted or not
get a job anywhere. So he tried to cover up
his checks, only for him not to get out it.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, well, I mean he's already a doctor in Florida.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Oh that's right, Florida.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So that's telling you already that, like he's probably there
because any place that's respectable was you know, no thanks.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Did he live Rosie O'Donnell's island down there?

Speaker 6 (41:54):
Moved out the country already, Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
She had an island down there for a while, like
right off of Miami or whatever was where it was
just pretty much her and no I call it. I
only call it that because when we went by we
did one of those tours when I was down in
Miami or when we were trial traveling down to Florida
and they were trying to sell us that, oh, we
can't go to this island because that's where Rosy O'Donnell

(42:17):
and all the big wigs live. And it's like, uh,
I don't fucking care.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I like the idea of her being there, Like she's
like a mythical center, right, you know, like it's you
can't go there, be there be o'donnald's.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
They will emerge from the wood. And just she got
top billing too. I'm just like, ah, that's that's all right.
I can miss this episode.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
I can imagine what those conversations would be like down there.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I mean, this is
a wild thing. I I don't know what happens in
this scenario. Obviously they're going to try and push for
some kind of investigation, right, that would be the only
logical conclusion from this.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's cope. I mean I really think that to the
highest level. This is just once again you're dealing with
people who are narcissist, ego fucking maniacs. And yeah, maybe
there's a video the guy. I have no idea. Maybe
there's a video of the fucking doctor and Hogan's sitting
there going brother I'm dying and he's like blowing a
fucking key bomb or something like, I don't know, it's

(43:23):
once again, it's Florida. It's a shithole. It's a fucking joke.
It's a fake fucking state in a diarrhea fucking laid
in part of the country. But that's it. It's like,
I don't know if that's what it's gonna be, but
to me, it just sounds like more much chese mo.
I'm part of the cult bullshit, Like Holk Hogan was

(43:43):
so important to the movement that they had to take
him out. It's like, no, he's a dollhood Yeah he was. No, No, dude,
he was important to the movement, you know, like he
was a mouthpiece and you know, like maybe it was
the sea. It's a shot to fuck up. He's an
old fucking wrestler, right, It's a miracle he lived as

(44:06):
long as he did. That's not even being a fucking
edgy dickhead. It is quite literally a fucking miracle. He
was alive as long as he was. Goddamn Randy Savage
was dead what ten years ago?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Who do you think?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Who do you think lived?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah? Jesus who do you think lived a fucking wilder
life truths.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Free well Warrior.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Alright, so janetics relative, but that's who just baseline. Who
do you think probably went harder in the world Randy Savage?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Oh, hul Cogan, because I think Randy, I mean, I
don't know, but I would just assume a lot of
his was uh recreational for the majority of it, whereas
hul Cogan went equally hard with recreational and everything else
and just even try to recover too, So never mind
all the surgeries and what the pacemaker he had to.

(45:05):
So I don't know, we're back. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I'm not buying into the immediate concept at Hulk.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, if it's all about sabotage, I'm looking at like this,
it's not so crazy to imagine that there's a fuck
up that's a doctor in Florida. That seems like that
could be an easy layup to.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
So those are some very followable bread crumise in this
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think that's the most difficult thing is that it
all seems plausible. Was there a fuck up doctor could be?
Did Hulk diye on his own could be like everything
works better?

Speaker 6 (45:43):
Be both of y'all better befo or else the YouTube
algorithm would come up with a lot of conspiracy theory
videos about the whole I know.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That's that's I feel like we could throw together the
most bullshit nonsense, like just completely made up thing about
how cogain and it would probably get one hundred and
fifty thousand.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Problems probably and will also automatically be subscribed to Bubble
the Love Sponge too. You never know, so jez my god.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
You know of all the I know you guys already
said it, but I'm saying now because I haven't done
a show about it yet, all the people I never
would have thought that came out right at first at
this situation. Him of all the fucking people.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
This guy or once again, I guess going back to
and I should make this a little bit clear to
the people that don't know, I did live in Florida
at a point in my life, in my childhood. So
this is one of the reasons why I also speak
with such certainty about what a dump it is. But
thirty years ago now, when I was in elementary school, yes,
people were like, Bubba the Lost Sponge is a fucking loser.

(46:48):
This was He's been made fun of forever as a
fucking goofball, as like a Howard Stern ripoff at the time,
and just a fucking fat shode. So in twenty twenty
five for him to be doing saying anything HAULK Hogan's
pretty much his last lifeline to anything that could be

(47:09):
considered somewhat I don't know, mainstream or mildly relevant to it.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Ask this, so, do you think Bubba threw his name
in the hat now that Howard's gone?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh? Boy?

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Oh no, I mean, how many people know Bubba more
than they know Howard.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh no, I don't even think that. I don't even
think that's the issue. I think that now with Howard gone,
there's clearly a vacuum on satellite. Right. Do you think
Bubba said, you know what, I'll do it for one
hundred times less than you were paying Howard.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
No, because they'll get someone with the right wing agenda
to replace him.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what's Yeah, it's going to
have to be that, because you know, you can't have
these you can't have these people in the media saying
bad things about who the president? Right, Come on, what
are we what are we a fucking country where we're
not a fucking tim pot dictatorship. Come on to be reasonable. Yeah, no,

(48:08):
it's it's fucking hilarious to me that he's even talking
about this ship. Still still like remembering that his biggest
relation to hell Cogan is it he is a cuck.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
That's a pretty much well you remember they did work
together in TNA Joel.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Oh, yes, that that was Remember that.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
That's that trade wick of trade wreck of a four
weeks until Awesome Kong bitched him out.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yes, could you could you?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Can you picture somebody who's like they he goes on
some fucking news show or he's on some sort of
real thing, like new shows even are real anymore, But
like he goes on some sort of interview or wherever,
and it's him talking about his hell Cogan conspiracy theory,
and then underneath it just says let him fuck his wife,

(49:02):
Like he just says that on the butt, like that's
his qualification, Like it just says radio DJ slash let
him fuck his wife. You're like, no, that's a pretty
that's a pretty good qualification he's got there.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
Yeah, I'll give you rogue, any ideas please.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Oh mom, dude, hear fuck you're letting fuck your wife mom.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Satellite Satellite would fucking hold a public sacrifice to get
Joe Rogan to fill that slot at this point, they
really would. But Julian, I'm glad to have you on
the show man. I know that it's been a few
weeks since we touched base. Obviously I was on vac
last week, and but you were there at SummerSlam and
you got to take part or kind of take part

(49:42):
in the very last media scrum, the very last one,
or not take part because it canceled it on you.
I guess right, yes they did.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
And for the listeners who are hearing me for the
first time, even though I've been out here many times before,
I'm Julian Cannond. My primary well not primary offenders or
you know what I mean. My primary career is all
about writing. I love to write, love to read, do
all that shit. So I go to these events, cover it,
take photos, videos, come up with the story after the words.

(50:16):
And yeah, other than that, I'm on Twitter x or
whatever Elon Musk wants to call it now Angelia X caliber,
So throw away your questions at me.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I got a lot to answer, So I know you
were talking before about some of the things that were
going on backstage with WWE that people weren't even reporting.
What were some of those things? Man, Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Know as soon as I got there. Usually we go
there pick up our credentials, myself by senior editor who
went to his very first WWE event ever, right, and
I had to smarten him up.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
On a lot of things. But more on that later.

Speaker 6 (50:54):
So it's myself, him and about maybe twenty five others.
The say dirt seed landscape I'm not.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
In was was what's her name there, Chessey mcchesterson, Yes, no, Conrad, Yeah, Conrad,
she's pretty both know we're not there.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
None of the Conrad and the fightful people weren't there.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Un Seawn Ross. I don't think he was there. Probably
someone else was, but I I didn't care he was.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
He was somewhere beating somebody up. Yeah, No, I didn't
see him because he was fighting. He was fighting somebody
somewhere to the cause. Didn't see him.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
What cause? I don't know what the cause.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
I asked him on X if he was going, and
he told me he wasn't, So someone else probably did.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Oh so, man, you miss out. You could have.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
You could have had a conversation with him.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
You could have asked him about any future fights he's
got coming up, you know what I mean. See how
he's doing. He's doing his training, you know, stretching, doing
the ice bass like but your row, good mind, Maybe
that's what he needs to focus on.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
So I was he's all picking up our credentials. Then
next thing, you know, one of the I believe that
the vps of our communications that was coming down the elevator,
they told us not to speak to anyone of all
the w events I'd covered previously, this is the first
time they actually said that to all of us. I'm
looking around to see what the hell's going on. Everybody

(52:35):
is looking confused. So they take us up. Once we
go up to the area where the press box is,
I was looking around room and I was like, oh shit,
all most of the agents and the talent is here
right next to the press box.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Wow, that's probably rather than want you to talk. You
know what The funny thing is in that moment, when
you said they told me not to talk to anybody,
I was gonna be like, I tell them to go
fuck themselves and leave. But and when I then when
I realized that they probably had, like you said, a
bunch of fucking wrestlers in there. Yeah, they know what

(53:12):
they'd be dealing with with a lot of people, which
would be these people just being complete, annoying, fucking dorks
to them. So that makes sense, you know.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
And a bit so I get up. I see Becky
Lynch talking to one of the agents. I also see
carry across the Sammisan going over that match with Abyss,
and they was practicing a few motion heads here and
there or whatever, and the area where catering was. I
saw Charles Robinson walking around with a boot, an injury boot.

(53:44):
I also saw Michael P. S Hayes walking up and down.
He didn't know me, and I did say, Hi, I
did not get in trouble for that. Becky Lynch wave
to all of us. We all said hide. Obviously, I
was not gonna going around take pictures of the taler us.
I'll be a fucking dork during that. I'll get my
credentials removed or revoked or blacklisted. So I saw all

(54:10):
of that. Let's see who else did I see.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Saw?

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Let's see. I won't say I saw CARDI B but
I saw a lot of her freaking bodyguards in the area,
like giant dudes. Man, I'm telling you, they would probably
make puff daddy wow, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
So what was the atmosphere like, I mean, I would
assume that they just really paid you know mine for
the most part, other than being cordial. But it's kind
of it sounds a little different than normal AP meet
and greets, right because most AP meet and greets are
on WWE stage. You're usually not walking around the back
all aimless and stuff.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Right, Yeah, I think the I think everyone besides besides
the fact that they looked at us and say hi, whatnot,
I think everybody was in their zone because just like
when the football player gets ready before the match begins,
they was all in their zone. They did not want

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to seem like they want to be disturbed at all. Okay,
but it wasn't really bad. But I just realized everybody
was completely in their zone. Ever getting ready, they did
not want to be and the motive being distracted by
aka dirt sheet journalists. Okay, one person was about to
one person was about to get his phone out. I
looked back and another person told him put his shit away,

(55:30):
and I just shook my head and told my editor,
let's get our fucking food and sit down.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Okay, so this was just rushing you to your seats
at this point, right, So what were your seats?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
What did they give you?

Speaker 6 (55:42):
We was inside the media box, it was. It was
also within the window, so I couldn't really hear a
lot of the fan reaction besides the one I was
leveled up. But it was. It was great seats.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I could say, good, good, And so, like the show
goes on, do they give you any enemities or anything
like that? You guys get like water and bread or anything.
Did they expect you.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
To pill water? Dude? They had two sections for catering,
one for the talent and the other for the media.
And for the media. They had a lot of ship there,
pasta dessert, salad, sandwiches. What else did they have over there?

Speaker 7 (56:22):
Vigorant off the zins, prime energy, Oh yeah, forget that.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
How did they get that?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Who knows?

Speaker 6 (56:36):
I didn't drink any of the prime stuff because I
heard it is disgusting, but I heard had a lot
of the other drinks. But the food that they had
there was really really great. Equal to the amount of
the stuff they gave to the wrestlers at catering.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Oh okay, so you got to eat your leftovers. That
that's good, I mean, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Of left Wait a second, you are you're telling me
that you and Carrying Cross cut a piece from the
same as on yet.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
No, we did it.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Oh yeah, you technically everything was fresh. I mean you
technically could have had a last meal with Carrying Cross
because he was pretty much gone after that, right, so.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Technically that could be true.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Cross was back there throwing pieces of a cow zone
into a tupperware container. He's like, fuck it, I'm not
coming back here.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Scarlett's just stuffing sandwiches in her purse.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
He's taking old diaby, He's taking diapepsy cans and throwing
them in the backpack. He's like, yeah, fuck these people.
Then for the ride, you.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Know, so I imagine you enjoyed yourself at Summer Slam.
You know, you get to the point of uh, past
the catering and stuff, anything kind of wacky that happens
during the show.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Let's see, when I saw the fish of the Cross
of the Sammy's Aame match, I realized what they were
talking about was the finish of the match besides one person.
I was about to take his phone out and have
a picture of Becky Letch. Nothing too crazy because all
of the entire area was really guarded, though I did

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by the time I was maybe an hour in, I
did see Brett the Hitman Heart come in and sit
down at the Oh no, this was after I found
out that they didn't even have a fucking seat for
him on the ground level.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh that's awesome. That's so good. By the way, By
the way, you should have gone to Brett Hard and
been like, do you want Somesagnia would have been Brett
would have liked that.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
He really got that was funny.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, uh, dude, I don't know if I want to
have any of that. You know, you guys got Garfield
up in Canada. You don't have that.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
This must have been minutes after he told Gotha to
his face that he did not like chops Us.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So he was in a he was in a particularly
wonderful movie that I assume, right, I would believe. So, yeah, okay,
all right, that's fantastic. Nice to know that Brett Hart
had a good time even though we couldn't find a
seat to sit.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So, you know, you know, happiest when he's blatantly disrespected.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
You know who else didn't get a seat, Nolly Foley.
She also showed up at the press box and sat there.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Oh to be to be fair, why I.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Trying to court her? Is she still being courted for
the company? I didn't even know she was even interested.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
She's had like a she had a whole bunch of
concussion problems when she tried to train to wrestle, and
then she was like, yeah, now I'm like constantly fucked
up and have all these you know, health issues related
to concussions. So I don't think she's showing up to
WWE as a performer or anything anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
But wait, wait, was this in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Right? That was where SummerSlam happened.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
This was three weeks ago, so yeah, it was that
on Netlife Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, so she was in where the fuck do the
folies even live at this point? So she flew up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I thought they were down Florida. Oh they're in Long Isle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Oh okay, okay, so that makes way more sense. All right,
never mind, I'm not gonna be a dick about that.
I'm like, what did she do get on an airplane
and go to the fucking event.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
She just sewed up there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, she's like, yeah, just so you know, I'm like
my dad twenty five years ago, and it's just like, lady, don't.
But I guess if it's down the street, that's a
little bit more acceptable. But yeah, So here's the kicker.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Usually about five ten minutes before the main event finishes,
they have their head of VP comes to us and
escort us to the area where the press conference has
taken place. That did not fucking happen. About an hour
before the show finished, I asked him if he's going
to come up. He told there's gonna be no press

(01:01:01):
conference going forward. And I told that to everybody in
the press box and they they all though confused the
ship as I did, because these things usually happened, and
they and we found out right there that happened going forward,
and now looking back at it, we know why more
so than Triplet's being at the White House. But brock

(01:01:22):
Lester came back, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And that's when you pulled out your tupple ware and
they went over it like fun, Damn, I'm out of here.
That's what I would have.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
Done, well, yeah. I literally I literally left right after
right after they found we found out there's gonna be
no press conference.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, well dude, you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
And everybody else stayed really well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yes, that's a weird thing too, because a lot of
these AP you know, the box events, usually you don't
even get to see the whole show. They'll usually, like
even for sports games like baseball games and ship they'll
they'll take you in around the fourth or fifth inning.
And I'm not saying all AP, but when you already
of VP, you only get to see like half the
game from the press box, you know, besides the major

(01:02:06):
you know, uh sports or news organizations that are a
part of that. So it was kind of interesting that
they literally sit throughout the whole show if you wanted to. So,
I mean, I guess that was kind of nice. But
did they are they just blaming it or did they
just kind of blame it on brock Lesner or did
they give you, like any kind of substance answer to say, hey,
this is why we're cutting it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
No, they did not, even after myself and others asked.
Does figured it out right after Lesnar made his answer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
But it still doesn't make sense because now you just
popped this huge moment of a returning brock Lesner, and
you would think that they would want people to discuss
that in person. Where they I guess is the uh,
the idea that WWE was afraid of people asking about
the Janelle Grant suit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You knew that was going to come up, which, by
the way, if you think about it, and that's just
in that situation. It's not as though that they could
be honest with Julian in that moment either, like you said, yeah,
we can't do it anymore. Could Brox there and he
got some video of chick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
P and Oh, they'll prep you, Joe. No, no, no, they'll
straight up prep you. They'll straight up tell you, hey,
we don't want you asking these questions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
And if you do, you know what I'm saying, like
they're not much.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
That would have been fine because that sometimes happens when
I interview celebrities. Sometimes the PR person give me somethings
they don't want to talk about or I cannot ask.
But this time, what you said, miss that that's something
they should have done. But that's something that's unavoidable because
they know people are going to ask.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah. But I mean if if you care about your
professional career and you want to be invited back. You're
not going to piss off WWE by asking the question
that they don't want you to ask, you know what
I mean? Like, it's it's not even just WWE, it's
any single time I've ever seen the AP and how
the AP goes, and even from back in my day
working with radio. If they tell you not to do something,

(01:03:58):
just don't fucking do it. Like I don't understand why
they had to cancel the whole event. That's just wild.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Well, you're a better man than me for not breaking
something or stealing something. That's because that's like now now
I'm never coming back? Are you kidding me? Like that's
like I.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Mean, I did. I did took a lot of I
try to take a lot of food home with me,
but by the time I got back to the caterie,
all that shit was empty, all of it. Like everybody
actually took food here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes came with a couple of hiploc bags,
I think, and took it off.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
I thought it was gonna be Conrad taking it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You just see, Michael, He's not gonna take it he's
just gonna eat it right there. Guys. Come on, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
He's gonna bring his his his pale, his feed pale
and uh scoop it all into.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
That fucking sucks for you, Julian. I'm sorry to hear that, man,
because that's I think. It was kind of one of
the things I know, me and Joe would would occasionally
watch and talk about, you know, what happens at the
media scrums, and it seems like, you know, especially over
the last year, WWE kind of really invested some time
in it. You know, never mind the rock stuff and
the John Cena stuff, but there was a lot of

(01:05:12):
interaction between Triple H and you know, the media base,
and they had an opportunity to talk to Paul at
some points and he would get well, you would get
straight answers or at least approved answers from the company.
I liked it. I like the idea of the media scrums,
But I mean, if they're done with them, and they
kind of told you that they're just done with them, period.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Oh yeah, period. Man, unless something happens in the next
maybe year or so in some way they can monetize it.
It's not happening, No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
More right, it's not making them money, mesh, that's why
they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Of course, it is on YouTube and everything else and
all the weird sponsors that they have. I mean, just
have a Prime bottle at every microphone, that's all, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Jesus, Well, this dude, I'm not particularly surprised that they've
decided to not bother in their minds with doing those
press conferences because it goes back to what we were
talking about earlier, where if it's not something that they
see an immediate financial gain from, they're not super interested.

(01:06:19):
It's not going to even be priority number ten. And
funny enough, I mean when you were looking back and
you're going, okay, so WWE with good reason does hate
a lot of these fucking dirtsheet writers, right, I mean,
with good reason they hate a lot of these people.
So you would think to yourself, you'd be a little

(01:06:40):
bit more interested in actual journalists if you want to
say that way, like showing up and covering you, because
then all you have left is those goobers. Do you
know what I mean? Like, if the only people you
have left reporting on you are these fucking dinks, not well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Let me ask you this, do you think that now
with the potential of well, obviously ESPN now running the
show when it comes to WWE in a lot of ways,
do you think ESPN is going to be the ones
that you have to go through now in order to
do like a media scrum? Like is it just no
more opportunities to talk to WWE on a press conference level?

(01:07:20):
Or is this going to be just another hat for
obviously ESPN or a different network to wear instead of
it being WWEPR.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
No, I believe it's still all the same because I'm
not sure many people know this, but WWE's PR contact
lists or for you to apply for the credentials. They
have an entire new portal that they launched earlier this year,
so you have to sign up for it to get.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Oh wow, okay. Elis One has a question the chat
for you, Julian. He says, can you go on record,
as you've been to enough of these scrums, how does
it make you feel hearing some of your peers if
you want to call it that, ask Markey questions.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
I fucking hate it. I'm sorry because whenever I'm going
to on a press conference, whether it's at WWE or
for TV shows that I cover, I want to make
sure I have enough questions so that I can make
a story out of it. If these people are going
to go in and ask about Taylor Swift or whatever
stupid question they have, they just wasted ship for other

(01:08:26):
people to ask, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
But I think, yeah, it's one of those scenarios too
that when you think about it like that, a lot
of these people are doing the same thing for their
fan base. So if there's Denise asking silly markey questions,
it's because that's what her fan base wants to hear,
not necessarily what we need to hear or what needs
to be asked, you know what I mean. Like, sometimes
you wear the hat for the station, and if the

(01:08:51):
station wants you to ask stupid questions, then you ask
the stupid questions because that's what they're paying you for.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
So yeah, and it goes back to when I was
at the conference for Bad Blood last year. The question
I asked Trip Letch was about how they're going to
handle the Netflix and Wrong when it comes to the
production flow, because at the time Netflix has never done
a live so every single week, and I thought at
that time that was going to be a huge task.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, yeah, you should ask them how big Batissa's dick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Was, Oh yeah, totally seriously, you made a huge mistake, Pal,
and you should have looked them in the eyes and
licked your lips at the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
I would have. I was with my freaking I was
with my editor achieved so that it was not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I like if you, I'd like if you started it
as like a serious Netflix question, you know, really so
we noticed you guys Netflix, you know Netflix for the
next ten years, has you guys were Monday Night Raw
and really looking at you know, the development of the
program and your changes as far as you know, the
retirement of Kevin Dunn and now you're trying to move

(01:09:58):
new people into these roles. All I can really, you know,
think to myself at this point is how big is
Patissa's cock?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Oh yeah, no, yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
That would have webb. That shit would have web viral.
But I would have been blacklisted if I would have
said that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
But guys, guys, considering the amount of numbers that Dave
Meltzer talks about with WWE that they do on Netflix,
I believe he was reporting it that WWE only does
one hundred and ninety seven thousand live viewers for rap anybody.
Many more viewers would there have been if Batista's dick
was on the program.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Like, that's a good point, that's a good question.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Where did Melts even get those numbers from? Because well
he's got netflixes where you know sources.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
He said, all right, so there was a guy that
asked him about that. There was a guy online, Nico, right,
and he he hits up Dave and he says, like,
you're using up sub assumptions in your calculations. I listened
to you and the people that you work with all
the time. No one has given you the exact concrete
numbers and PCTs. This is very disappointing. And Dave Meltzer responds,

(01:11:02):
He's like, the only assumption, which is an educated one,
is that Raw is doing one hundred and seventy nine
thousand views worldwide last week is clearly too low. So
he thinks that raw is doing what five times less
than aw Dynamite right now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Good, heavens four times last Yeah, So on.

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
Wherever Melts a guy has caused degree fund what he
got college degree at. I think the college needs to
get a refund.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, they should take it back. They just give us
that back. Does he really have a degree?

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I don't know, man, I mean, I'm not even trying
to sound all high and mighty as I point at
my master's on the wall, But does he really have
a fucking degree?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Was it because journalism?

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
How?

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
He can't write?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
He can't write a fucking paragraph, even he has a
degree in journalism.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
He has a degree in journalism. But yeah, all this
paragraphs have a shit ton of run in sentences.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And always have. That's the crazy thing. A lot of
spelling mistakes. I remember, even back in the day, when
once upon a time I was subscribed to the Wrestling
Observer newsletter for the early days of wrestling Soup, I
remember laughing at seeing the white out. He would wide
out the original script or the original news thing, and

(01:12:29):
then he would type over it, and then they would
xerox copy the original copy, but they'd never remove the whiteout,
so you would see these little weird crinkles where you
can see the difference between the original type and the
Dave Meltzer corrections. And it was the funniest fucking thing
from back in the day. And even now I don't
even know what his newsletter looks like. Now. But God,

(01:12:51):
please tell me that that man has discovered chat GPT
in order to fix a lot of his problems.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Oh my god, you'd hope, But I don't think he does,
do you. You know what? I think we just we
might have just, you know, unfurled a conspiracy of our
own here. Yeah. May maybe the reason why they won't
release the Epstein files just because Dave Meltzer wrote them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
They're unintelligible anyways, you know what I mean, Like they
just don't make sense.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
There's a fit field somewhere in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yeah, there's planes and you know, people get on them
and they go places and sometimes the things happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Tokyo, do't yeh Stee from Alleged Wrestling podcast. He says,
you know, Dave trusts the silly five hundred thousand max
number thing but fights with egg accounts about Netflix numbers.
No bias there, absolutely the guy's bias.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Dude, Netflix or not even Netflix. But like just the
existence of ADW to Dave Meltzer is his version of
like no Arc, where it's like he just likes the
nice story, like it doesn't make any sense. Where it's
just like, wait, they put a bunch of animals on
a boat and you're just like, yeah, no, that really happened.
Like he just he wants to just believe in whatever

(01:14:14):
the fuck it is that aw produces that it's some
sort of smashing success and it doesn't matter when he
is faced with any sort of information outside of it.
But no, no, Julie, you could have said something totally
off color to Triple H because obviously nobody would have
seen it. Right, nobody's watching it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
You know, the guy who the guy who will even
ask that question. Back in Bad Blood, I asked him
what he was going to ask. He told me exactly
that he kept his word he was he asked that question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Wow, you know, let me let me ask you a
side question about Dave Melter though, you know, especially for
you being ap and such, does Dave's silliness and folliness
make you as ap guy and not maybe just you,
but even your peers? Does it make you guys stronger?
Do you feel better about yourselves every time Dave goes

(01:15:07):
out there and says something really crack ass old man Boomeery?

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Honestly, yes, because not only I don't have to deal
with that shit, but I also realize he needs an editor, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Oh boy, desperately. And I think that's a big part
of why whenever anybody talks.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
About oh sorry, I was going to also add something else.
That's another thing that's a problem in the industry right now.
A lot of people want to create websites and self published,
but they don't have no editorial oversight. They don't have
no one coming to them with feedback to say, hey,
let's remove this, let's remove that, let's add in this.
Everybody just wants to print out bullshit, especially now with

(01:15:49):
artificial intelligence. Everybody would spit out crap that no one's
going to read.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Well, there's already an abundance of any of us, Like
I just wrestling news in general. You just see this
stuff pop out all over the place. And that's where,
like I said, like WWE, you would think to some
extent they would want people that are associated with actual
press outlets to cover them because there is so much

(01:16:17):
of this complete nonsense, do you know what I mean?
And I'm not sitting here saying like tripa Ah should
have his five favorite you know, I'm looking into the
journals because it's the year twenty twenty five and people
can't wait to sit down and read the newspaper. But
let me somebody, you know, like he shaid, know some
people right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Well, WrestleMania. I did not cover it this year, but
I've heard for the pr guy about six hundred people
applied for it and had to deny about three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
I'm surprised they even got three hundred people president so.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
Many people that passes then against fucking Vegas, I'll put
that in perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I know that's floating around. I want to cover
this one more thing about Dave and then we'll talk
a little bit more about Vegas, especially the prices that
are being leaked out right now. You Yeah, So Dave
is saying that the Netflix numbers were provided by Netflix,
the aw Max numbers were provided by some nobody's that's
also your friend, no offense, Dave, but the former's fake

(01:17:17):
with but the latter's not genuinely asking Dave, how does
that even compute for you? And Dave's response was, if
the Netflix numbers were real for the last week, it
would mean that less than three hundred thousand views worldwide.
We're live, so collision numbers. Do the math? How can
you get five point five million hours and two point
seven million views win live and until they stop airon

(01:17:37):
commercials is two hours and thirty nine minutes two point
six five hours, and the version up the next day
is the one hour fifty nine minutes one point nine
to eight hours. Use basic math and make those add up,
and keep in mind the two point sixty five numbers
the time that they're doing the change, which is usually Tuesday.
The math isn't hard. Was he wearing his true when

(01:18:00):
he came up with this, Yes he was. He was
looking at his sunglasses, looking at his grandma Funny, Jesus,
what is this fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
By the way, what is this fucking bullshit?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Too?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Oh? Well, the live hours in the battle, but who
gives his ship people watching it live.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I still don't think that the Netflix numbers are concrete though,
because I don't think they want to give us the
concrete numbers. That's why they dance around with the five
point five million hours and stuff like that. And also
that doesn't even account because he's measuring this. And here's
here's the fatal flaw in his silly math. Right, he
believes that the five point five million hours were one

(01:18:41):
person watching fucking raw from beginning to end the whole
thing with no breaks. How many people watch for a
half hour and go, fuck this shit, I'm out? How
many people?

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Okay, let me, let me get in here. Sure, yeah, yeah, okay,
So you know Netflix has different tears. Yes, people could
be watching that shit with the ads or without the ads,
And next thing you know, he's over here saying people
could just watch without even looking at it. I mean,
I'm just paraphrasing for what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
Where where's Milton even getting this shit from? Because unless
it's like a reputter outlet like Deadline or Vanity Fair
or some of the others are reporting numbers like they
usually do, don't believe a single thing he's I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
I think what he's doing, honestly, Julian, is that he's
comparing the numbers of the shows that are above and
below WWE and just assuming and just guessing what WWE
is doing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Yeah, it's fucking stupid. Whatever. Whenever I see the press
releases from other TV shows that gets either the number
one on streaming or on cable, they show the numbers
right from the from the platforms themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yeah, they used to have the Nielsen numbers that would
come out. And I mean, obviously Nielson is doing streaming now,
but they're not applying that to nothing Flix. It's not
on that level yet. I don't know, dude. I honestly
think that Dave Meltzer just pulls a lot of his
shit out of his ass, and even his own logic
doesn't make sense because once again, even if he's pulling
it out to get that three hundred thousand or that

(01:20:15):
one hundred and seventy nine thousand viewers, he has to
believe that every single person that turned on Netflix that
day watched Raw from beginning to fucking end. And it's like, no, man,
it ain't like that no more. We live in a
world where you can fucking hit pause, turn off the
TV and go fuck off for like ten hours, come
back and finish it. But he doesn't. He doesn't understand

(01:20:37):
that that doesn't apply to him. It's like, oh, I
have ras on, you have to watch it from beginning
to end. What kind of world don't we live in?
Or people don't watch Raw from beginning to end?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
It reminds me a few years back when Meltz has
said that aw's target audience is highly educated or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Yard rich people.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
Yeah, rich people and I and you look in the
crowds and you see it's quite different than what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Yeah. Oh no, no, dude, what are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
I'm seeing all sorts of monocles and people people with
pat with owls on their shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
The parking lots are just full of Tesla's guys, just
full of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Yeah, yeah, full of Yeah, dude. It's real hard when
you go to an AW show because you want to
get in there, but it's just a cavalcade of fucking limousines.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Yeah, they're wearing those shit stains in their jeans. Ironically,
it's ironically.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Oh my god, you don't see them punk on AW
four years ago today.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Oh congratulations, see I'm punk. Glad you got the fuck
out of there.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
Nobody going into the dumpster from ice cream bars anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah no, no, no, no, dude, that didn't happen. They
were all getting back to their helipads because they're so
rich and power wealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
I can't believe I was there. I should post the
videos of me being there again. Oh that was great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
How did how were you allowed in amongst all those
blue bloods.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Dude, Oh I was. I was a little bit fatter
back then, So I just slid right out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, as you put on an eyesway
shut mask to get in there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
So no, I just wore blue jeans and a black
shirt and they're like, oh, he's one of us, and
it's like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
Gooble gobble, they thought you were a security guard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Dude, there's no It is just fucking so silly at
this point to even have these conversations about like they
sat down and watched it live, did they spend this
many times doing it? Was this, But we're at this
point where, you know, five years ago or even less,
where people would go ratings don't matter, and it was like, well,

(01:22:41):
they do kind of matter because it lets us know
how many.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
They do matter, or else advertisers will not spend their
marketing Donalds on them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Right right, absolutely, But that's what it matters to it. It
doesn't matter to the fan, but it absolutely matters to
the sponsors and the networks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yes, yeah, but we're also talking about now at this
point where where the guaranteed money era of what wrestling
is seeing a lot of So yes, I could understand
where you know, you're talking about the thing earlier with
Russo and you know Codhin and you should be having
eight million people watching it, and it's like, well, you

(01:23:16):
do remove the incentive when they look at you and say,
we have a ten year contract and you're going to
get a trillion dollars one way of the other. Right,
But I don't see. It always comes back to now
with Meltzer obviously, is it's always a matter of him
getting a certain level of attention and respect from this

(01:23:39):
other company and none from WWE. So he's just gonna
grind that axe until he's in the fucking ground. That's
just what it's gonna be, which is why when you
even see the fucking response to that, which, like I said,
I mean, my god, could you be more fucking spurgery
where it's a you know, thirty nine million, and then
you divide that by the number of people that were

(01:24:00):
wearing green hats, and then it's just like Dave, the
show's more successful than any w fucking get over it.
You can't get over it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
He has to spend it. He has to spend it.
That ww are the underdogs to the greatness of aaw
But I did want to talk about this, especially with
you two. Julian Russellmania Vegas part dueh April eighteenth April nineteenth,
twenty twenty six at Allegiance. The first leak on prices
is Ringside Row one package for both nights of Wressellmania

(01:24:31):
forty two is currently costing over seventy thousand dollars per
person early salary, Yeah per person. Rose two and three
are moderately priced at an easy thirty five thousand and
fifty thousand dollars per person. Get the funk out of here.
Oh this is what missed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
This is why I'm saving my money and just going
to Wrestle Polouza.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah, well see I was smart. I made sure that
I reposted this Joe, and I said please don't to
the Patreon So yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
I mish. I do love the idea of their being people.
They would be like, I will spend seventy thousand dollars
to go to a wrestling show and then you're like
five dollars for Patreon and they're like, fuck you gumb.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
I'm not sure if you YouTube saw it, but there's
videos going around since last year of these people going
to either Mania or Summer slamboarder and some of the others.
By spending up to fifty thousand dollars, they upload their
whole experience on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that too. Yeah, that's a
big fucking deal now, because people don't get the opportunity
to see what actually, you know, a seventy thousand dollars
ticket pays for. So you're damn right, I'm tee. I
would have two phones on me recording it all fucking times,
just everywhere I go. Hey, guys, YouTube shorts clip here,

(01:25:56):
I'm going to the bathroom. You're gonna come along with.
This is what a seventy thousand dollars bathroom break looks like.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
This this does put the movie hostile into perspective, though, thinks,
because it's like, you got all that kind of money,
you know, like, what are you gonna do go buy
a WrestleMania ticket? I guess you just gotta go saw
some head off, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Can I read that's that's somehow last pathetic and sick
and fucked up if you think about it in a way.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Can I read off some of the perks that comes
with these expensive AST tickets?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Oh? Of course, please do helicopter hand job.

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
Maybe somewhere in Vegas, but not that Mania.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Foot job by the Vision.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Oh no, no, please please, I need to know what
some of these giant parks are that they're offered.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
All right, this one's marked as TBD but exclusive invitation only,
elite events.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
The biggest dick.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
I guess you're going to meet the young bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Oh at ww's WrestleMania. Jesus, Well it's a weak tear.
So yeah, ah, yes, behind the magic. I don't know
what this means when it's listed there. That's the tier
behind the magic. Oh you can already tell that Disney

(01:27:23):
is infecting this fucking company already, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Behind the magic. Yeah, the magic trick of making your
fucking bank account.

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
Oh thanks for the money, bitch, you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Know, like, fuck could you, dude?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I will never be able to understand these like insane
trust fund DuPont type motherfuckers. But picture having you know,
all that money somebody left it to you. Yeah, man,
go live your best life. And you're like, yeah, I
spent seventy thousand dollars to go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Some nana just died and she wanted me to see
WrestleMania forty two as her dying wish.

Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
Fucking it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I worked my whole life and I left this money
for you. Get yourself a house, send a little billy
to college.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
It's like fuck that, I'm going Resmania buying your Dollins
T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I see Roman Reigns. Put one finger in there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Lovell sho Love Fallahe Love Falla.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Is Becky Wait wait, Becky Lynch and bird.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Girl are gonna be there?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Oh wow, what was it? One hundred? That's seventy thousand
fucking steel Hell, I'm sorry. What are the other perk
aside from obviously the magic show that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
They haven't show Watch your Money Disappear?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
Uh, let's see here Culture King's Limited Release Drop and
Shopping Experience. That's a local store in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
What is that the one where they actually come up
to you and they just sell you the ship like personally,
so like they they drape the T shirts over their
arm and the like. This is a signs Excel's shirts, sir,
is for your for the finer gentleman. It's like one
of those where they have your personal shopper.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
I would think. So it's a local place in Vegas. Okay,
h a superstar walkout experience or in this case, at
the entrance ramp see a five day WWE World vi ip,
you gotta you gotta slow down.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
I don't know what the fuck that? What is a
superstar walkout experience at the entrance ramp?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Come on, miss you get to do your own entrance?

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
Yeah you do?

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
I thought you get to walk out with them at WrestleMania.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
I'm like, imagine you walk out there for wrestling soup signs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Oh man, I'm like, for seventy thousand, I might fucking
look at that. That's that's a moment.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
It's Cody Row, Cody Roads, joined by.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Ron, joined by Joe Numbers see him put joined by
Anthony Thomas. Oh no, all right, sorry, go on, let's
be here.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
A SmackDown and Raw ticket and a backstage tour at
both Raw.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
And SmackDown, okay, dude, or a press pass?

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Go ahead, Joe, what you're going to say?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I just I can't imagine like this is. But by
the way, this is perfect for Vegas, and I will
I'll break it down as easy as this. I probably
when's the last time you went to Vegas, Julian, I know,
missus never been.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
One time I went there was in twenty twenty three
for an F one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Okay, so you haven't been there in a bit. I
was there this summer and I went and I saw
the Fountain Blue and Resorts World, and they're both just
they're on the ropes. They're not doing great, and it's
mostly because you go into these casinos and it's set
up with this level of opulence and in this sort

(01:30:57):
of way where they're trying to who appeals to a
class of person that I'm not even sure exists in
this country anymore, and this level of abundance to where
they can keep themselves out going. Does that make sense?
Like that's what their target audiences.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
I'm saying, just open Fine Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Last year though, Yeah, and it was it was a
fucking ghost downd dude, we went into it. It was
the nicest it was. It was the nicest dead mall
I've ever been in.

Speaker 6 (01:31:23):
But oh that sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
It was a billion dollar dead mall. But in my mind,
I'm going, okay, so WWE is very clearly like they're
doing the Vegas thing here. They're like, yeah, seventy thousand
dollars tickets say, it's like you're selling this to a
fan and a class of person that, once again I'm
not sure even exists in that level of abundance and
gives a fuck about your show, like you're trying to

(01:31:51):
you're selling magic beans to people.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, but you're also selling that the people that are
looking at that have seventy thousand dollars to blow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I know, but mesh, how many of those people are.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot.
I think there is a lot because some of the
videos I've watched of those people spending up to fifty
thousand dollars going to resume it earlier this year had
about maybe twenty or twenty five people on those lines
waiting to get a picture in a ring.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
I think, honestly, I think the days of the little
family scraping their nickels together to go see WrestleMania. Yeah,
that's that's over. I don't think. I don't think people
like that exist anymore. This has become such a celebrity status.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
So backstage tour at SmackDown or Raw and I don't
know what this tour would consist of. You also get
a private hospitality section at resume DA of forty two
SmackDown Raw and Undertaker Paul Hayman and Steiners confirmed a
year out. Uh, sure, a year out. They're already confirmed.

(01:32:57):
If you don't know what's going to happen to any
of these men within the next boy, let's see here
m ring photo on stage, photo post show winner, meet
and greet on one day.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
You know what's you know, what's really bothering me about
all of this? You're paying?

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
Oh it's not if not even over yet though, I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Know, but like the prizes are getting worse, right, so
you're paying seventy thousand dollars for bare minimum effort. Hey,
would you like to take a picture? That'll be about
five thousand dollars. Would you like to take a picture
on the ramp? That'll be another two thousand dollars. Hey,

(01:33:39):
would you like to meet Damien Priest? Yeah, he'll be
walking by at three thirty five pm. That'll also be
about five thousand dollars. Why you know, you know what
would have been.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
A good picture a picture of Sampunk before he whoops
that ass on the bucks in Omega, right, all right,
seconds before?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
No, you're dude, are you breaking it down to that
specific monetary pricing on those things really shows you how
insane it is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
It's not even like, oh, dude, we're giving you. Remember
the days when they would give you like the hand
painted WrestleMania chair that everybody signed, Like remember those days
no happened so fucking long ago, and they would give
you like special WrestleMania or special WWE gear and merch
that you couldn't get anywhere else that you only got

(01:34:29):
because you bought these crazy tickets. That's that's not around
anymore either, Or or the days when they would give
you actual wrestlers shit like John Cena would just take
off all of his clothes and just hand it out
to all the people in the front row, Like WWE
used to give you shit that was like no one
else can get this, no one else is privy to this.

Speaker 6 (01:34:49):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
I was even on board when they did that stupid
fucking NFT thing where you got a picture of the
undertiker for twenty thousand dollars, because at least it was
something that nobbody else had, you know what I mean.
And now you're at a point where WWE and TKO
are so stingy, so stingy, it would be one thing

(01:35:09):
like Hey, for seventy thousand dollars, tell you what, You're
going to travel the whole weekend with Cody Rhoads and
hang out and drink with them and hang with Brandy
and the dog and you know what I mean, Like
they would give you a fucking lifetime experience. Now you're
getting a ticket. You're getting a ticket to SmackDown. You're
not even getting a ticket to the Hall of Fame,

(01:35:30):
or maybe you are. I don't know if you got
to that. But you're getting a ticket to SmackDown. You're
getting a ticket to WrestleMania. And it's some walk buys
like it is.

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
Oh, these next perks are about to phrase some eyebrows,
all right, we get to that. This I believe it
is new social media predictions and tagging.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
What and what.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
So I believe if you make if you make a
video with your predictions of WrestleMania, they would literally tag
you and it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
And low effort shit, Julian, this is so fucking low effort.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
I know Triple H doesn't even have to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
They have some fucking intern retweeting you get the fuck
out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
They don't I get they don't want to give people
cough for free. They want people to pay for it
seventy thousand dollars. Man speaking of Triple H a fifteen
minute backstage group meeting with Triple H. Oh, boy, wonder

(01:36:37):
what he's gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Oh my god, dude, if you're having a fifteen minute
conversation with him and it's all this fucking money, I'd
be looking at and going, what are you doing with
my money?

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
What are you doing with it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Hey? Can I be a guest on Undertaker's podcasts?

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Oh, like that would be worth. That would be worth
part of.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
That would be worth.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah, dude, Oh I get to be on Cody's podcast. Oh,
that'd be fucking great. Why wouldn't Cody Cody go, you
know what, we have a special person here on my podcast.
We don't usually do this, but now that it's WrestleMania,
I want to introduce the one person that paid seventy
thousand dollars for his ticket. Welcome to the program such

(01:37:19):
and such name, Like, that's a fucking.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
Experience, you know, and you know for show. Now'll edit
that shit down because it's the ww show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Even still, dude, even if it was a half hour
podcast that you got to sit there and Cody asks
you questions like, what's your favorite wrestler, Oh, it's you,
Cody Roads. What's your favorite match?

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Well with will you when you beat up theft Hollind Like,
even if it's all that shit for that person that's
paying seventy fucking grant, that's putting a down payment on
a WWE house, that might be worth it to them.

Speaker 6 (01:37:51):
You know, I don't give them any fucking ideas they
might add a few boy zeros for that feature.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I mean, Julian, I can think of a thousand things
they could do with that seventy thousand dollars that somebody
goes home with memories and it wouldn't break their bank. Dude,
even if they gave you an entire sleeve of fucking
plastic wristbands, it sounds like you go home with more.

Speaker 7 (01:38:14):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
They don't even give you fucking tickets to Rustlemania anymore.
You can't even put a ticket on the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Oh like, oh wow, yeah, that that is fucking crazy
to think about.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Yeah, you don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Get a paper ticket. Yeah I have it paperkiki piece. Yeah,
that'll be twenty seven hundred dollars. It's so depressing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Like I get it. WWE is going to make a
killing at Las Vegas Part two. They absolutely are, but
it's just like these are the incentives, like I other
than the super rich yet. Okay, all right, go on,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
Let's see at an announcer walk out on one day,
a replica bout a custom.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Way Wait, what's an announcer walkout? You get to walk
out with the announouncers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
The announcer announces you announ assume, Yeah, that's what it is? Well,
is it Samantha de bomb will? She announces?

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
I wish uh. Let's see here. A replica belt, a
custom one of a kind gets okay, oh you know what? Okay,
wait wait wait wait wait replica belt?

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Good? Yeah, I like that replica belt is something. Yeah,
that's five hundred bucks. I know they got like fifty
of them in a fucking storage unit. Now, but so they.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Bought wholesale for three dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Yeah, I will give them that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Go on, wrestum any for the ones who paid for
that crazy amount of money, they did get custom side
plates with the entire package. I think they will go
all out their way for the belt. Okay, let's see
here resumeating forty two. Gift bag resumeating forty two shopping
bag dedicated entrance private transportation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Is it wait? Wait, is the gift bag and the
shopping bag filled with anything? Or is it just bags
that you can buy their ship just empty bags. They're
like fucking Aldie bags.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
They're like, you can put all your ship in this
when you get kicked out of your house from spending
seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Let's see here the VIP chairs along with free shipping
for it and a ring mat.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Oh, they do give you the chairs. Okay, all right,
I'm cool that they give you the chairs. And you said,
what plaque like Big Show's teeth or something, or oh no.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
A plack of the ring mats?

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Okay, I gotta say all of these things combined in
the way that you described them, I'm still saying five
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Oh yeah, Well, how much does a ring mat go for?
A thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Maybe? What did you say a ring mat?

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Yeah? He said it's a plaque of a ring mat.
So it's like a little square, a little tiny yeah. Yeah,
that's Jesus Christ. Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I mean, either way, This isn't just a fucking bamboo
sol to really.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Yeah. Other than the replica belt with the fashionable side
plates and maybe the chair, there is nothing of real
fucking substance that makes me not want to get the
thirty five thousand dollars row two tickets instead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
You know, yeah, I know you said the thing about
the girl the other day, the streamer girl that was
saying eat the rich or whatever. But I think we
should eat these people. If you're spending seventy thousand dollars on,
I think we should be allowed to air fry you
just put you all?

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Oh is it the toy? Oh wait a minute, Robin,
the chat is showing me the replica belt. Oh please,
dear God, don't tell me it's the fucking kid's toy replica.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
What's the kid's belt? Oh? So fuck? All right? All right,
so ready, let's let's try to glass. Let's glass half
full of this. All right, take the let's take the
price tag and try to make it somewhat reasonable. And
this is where I would say that it would be
somewhat you know, fair. I think that for seventy thousand dollars,

(01:42:15):
if you got a plane ticket and a decent not
front row, but a decent seat to every pl for
a year. If you're somebody that's really into that shit,
I would take that as somewhat reasonable. I wouldn't say
it's it's a fucking steal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
With that said, let's get ready to wrap it up.
Much loves everybody loving the discord. Much love to people
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(01:42:58):
We'll see you, Sue.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
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Dateline NBC