THE RISE OF SETH ROLLINS? or EVERYONE LOVES WRESTLING... EXCEPT THE FANS (Wrestling Soup 9.23.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yeah, wrestling soup. Yes, that's another one of Bunny's great lines.
We'd hate for people to have interests that could be
a problem other than wrestling. Of course.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
That's well, that'll be safe, Joe. I was just talking
about that the other day. I'm like, for as much
shit is going on internationally, wrestling will be safe because
because the Trump likes the wrestling.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, the Saudi's like the wrestling too, that's huge. Yeah,
everybody gonna.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Everybody likes the wrestling except the fans.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
You know. Other business people love taking the fans money. Sure,
but the fans are probably unhappy. That's usually how that.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Have you seen that the first leak of those prices yet.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I saw the group rates are Dan posted where it's
like if you can get twenty five people or something
to show up. I'm like, all right, I guess if
you're doing some sort of but that's no grit shit, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, no, no, no, they actually have the price rates for
forty two right. So PW insider Mike Johnson posted it
for section A one on the floor eighty nine hundred
and ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well that's it for.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Section B on the floor three thousand, eight hundred and
sixty eight section R one oh one. So you get
that you're no longer AARB. Now you're back in the
RS two thousand, two hundred dollars and seventy five cents.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
The one hundred level so the first here fourteen ninety five,
thirteen oh three and eleven seventy four eighty respectively, The
two hundred level thirteen oh three to eleven seventy four respectively,
the three hundred level eleven seventy four, and the four

(02:05):
hundred level the bleediest to the nose bleediest of bleedy,
eight hundred and fifty four dollars and fifteen cents.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
They're they're gonna fucking be in for a rude awakening.
Those prices. The same thing happened last.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Year, though, Yeah, but this is even higher than last
year and we're not even there yet. We're not even
in Vegas time yet.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
No, no, Well, what's gonna be really funny is is
like everybody is going to see these prices, and don't
get me wrong, it's disgusting that it's even at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh Jesus you what, Neino's just posted no two tickets
row A one, row two, So not even first row
sixty four thousand, one hundred and sixty six dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I still don't. I don't see how this happens. Like
I saw somebody post on one of our shows where
they were like, of course you wouldn't pay for tickets
to go jump. Everybody even want to pay twenty dollars
for the HBO And I'm like, yeah, I think you're
almost getting it, you know, like I know.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
But they were insinuating we were just those poor folk,
those poor kids that can't afford sixty four thousand dollars
for me in a loved one to sit second row
at Rustlemania.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Dude, I don't know what I would do as somebody
I like, I don't even have to propose this as
an idea of where like if Emily was to say, oh,
I got his ticket to it, because one that would
jeever just never do that, And two I would feel
like do you know the people in the car commercials,
like the Christmas car commercials where somebody goes outside and

(03:41):
they're like, look, honey, I bought you one hundred thousand
dollars truck.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right, but it's got a giant bowl. It's got a
huge bowl.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh, that's a nice that's a nice investment you made
without considering me. I think, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was really like, can we just take five hundred dollars,
get a nice metal and buy another house instead?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah? Shit right, you're like, fuck no, that's what I think. Like,
my god, I don't know who these people. I get it.
I don't know every person alive.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, but there. But it's more audacious to think that
that guy believes he's the norm, and where all the freaks.
Where the freaks that refuse to pay sixty four thousand
dollars for two tickets because he's the norm. You have
to be either completely delusional or so filthy fucking rich
that you can look at those prices and just go, yeah,

(04:36):
that's manageable.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like it's not.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's fucking not. It has told me an entire row
of russell Mania tickets with sixty four thousand dollars, I
would still plots.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's insane. Yeah. Is this the same price or pricier
than the super Bowl at this point? Yeah, it's it's yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
They got those weird boxes though. What are VIP boxes
at the super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Jesus? Oh, they gotta be Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, here's here's a house, guys, just fucking cash it.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
In, right, But you know the people that are the
people that are in those I mean it's like fucking
Taylor Swift and jay Z and shit like those are
people with hundreds of millions of dollars. But at the
same exact time, it's like, is that is that who
we think is sharing an audience? Like we think that
that's the audience that's shared, you know, like Taylor Swift

(05:28):
and jay Z and fucking I don't even know Papa, and.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Those are first row people. Joe, we were talking about
second row tickets.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh oh the real Yeah, the fucking bums and early.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
These are first row tickets. These are second row tickets.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Guys. I feel like at this point where like you
and I had mentioned going and doing anything live in
Vegas before that, if we were to say to people
were doing a live show and to afford the venue,
we're charging fifty dollars, people would feel like we were
fucking asking them for a nickel. Conversely, you know what
I mean, like like just based off of that where

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it's just like hey, Bee, like we're just trying to
fucking pay for the venue, they'd be like, I paid
six thousand dollars for a fucking let me ask you
that to wrestling, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I know we did the New York WrestleMania, like we
did the bounce around and stuff for that, But on average,
for people that actually go to the WrestleMania Week quite regularly,
I'm curious besides the tickets for WW week, because we
already know that, for the most part, people that are
going to WrestleMania Week are primarily going for WrestleMania. Besides that,

(06:41):
what do you think a healthy amount of money to
take is? Like do you set it aside or do
you rush and roue let that shit till your your
bank calls you and says is your card stolen?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think this is one of those situations where you
just get you just bring your credit card and fucking
prey that's all you gotta do. Yeah, but that's so
there's probably dangerous, that's I know, I know, But miss,
you're not dealing with people that are used to making
good financial decisions at this point. Yeah, do you know

(07:15):
what I mean? Like, it's either trust fun kids, like
you've said before, somebody who makes one hundred thousand dollars
a month off of Twitch or some shit, a one
hundred thousand dollars. What a peasant, What a little fucking peon.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I had to save a whole three weeks for this ticket.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Guys. Oh yeah, what a what a bummer. Yeah, I'm
gonna have to fly commercial to this thing.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Can you believe Middle Isle? It's crazy what I sacrifice?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well no, no, no, it's first class. But I mean, like
fu Slee's bag, like a piece of garbage. I'm gonna
have to fly an adult adult? What is this delta?
Who is this guy?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's his guy blue Ah Wrestling Soup for a mature audience.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Here come the Smash Demolition walking disasters.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
The main instruction is our middle name.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Rond no place to hide.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
The demolition will get you. The main instruction is a
middle name demolition. I better say you're actor contrition.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Wrestling Soup. I am Anthony Thomas. He is Joseph Numbers,
the excellency, but our excellency. Yeah but yeah, no raw
her Now, last night, you know, I'm a bit torn.
There was actually some really good ideas that happened on RAW.
It's nice when you see something creative happen and I
don't know if they realize it was creative or not.

(09:06):
That's the only worry for me. Right, so accidental art,
I guess I want to talk about. The thing that's
impressive to me is let me ask you a question, Joe,
what if WWEE was able to ret con someone, not
just retcon them, but retcon their whole career in WWE

(09:29):
with a storyline.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
What if I feel as though they would do that
immediately if they.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Could, Right, what if WWE may have accidentally or maybe
even on purpose, not sure, depending on who the creative
mind is behind this stumbled on a way to make
Seth bearable. Oh come on, now, let me explain.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
During the second half of the show, or second and
a quarter half of the show, there was a scene
where after and we'll get into the Cody Rhodes promo
and everything else like that, because that was decent, But
there was a point where Seth is sitting on the
couch and he's fumbling with Cody's watch, the watch that

(10:13):
Cody gave to him in his hand, and he's rolling
and across his fingers, and behind him is Becky Lynch
literally talking shit and running down everything. Things that apply
to her, things that don't apply to her, things that
apply to Seth, really kind of making it scene like

(10:35):
she's the monster behind the madness And in a weird way,
would it be so far fetched that this entire time,
the irritating outfits, the irritating promos, even the CM punk
stuff are all just machinations of Becky Lynch.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
So you think that that's a possibility that they decide
to go down on that.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
That seems far fetched. I don't know. The Paul Hayman stuff,
the incredibly fucking joking.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I would love that, I really would. I think it's
it's probably the first time I've ever looked at Seth
and went, wow, that explains everything. You just do what
your wife tells you to do or else.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes, yeah, which I get it. But also at the
same time, then there's all these instances where Seth was
with her, where he wasn't being this current guy.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, but we don't know about that. That could be
Seth when he was mellow, right, but when he comes
out with the Mario boots, right, the plunger boots and shit,
when he comes out and he does the horrible laugh
and stuff, his wife somewhere at some point said that's funny.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
I like your laugh.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You have a beautiful laugh, husband, beautiful laugh laugh more.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah. Hey, so she was convincing him to suck this bad.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I like, is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You're ret conning his entire career. Hell go all the
way back to Tyler Black oh joy.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean he hasn't grown much since then, so
that's that's reasonable. Yeah. I don't know man in this situation,
like watching him have the you know, the last month
with see him punk. Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm abbreviating this,
this forever feud that seemingly happened until we need to
make money overseas and then they move on to something else.

(12:30):
But don't worry, he'll be back to that. It just
feels like Seth without somebody who is ten times better
or more interesting or valuable. Yes, is real. Rough? Is
real fucking rough. Like even though the interaction that he
had with Cody, well it was good for Seth.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I'm only speaking on behalf of storyline Seth, not what
he performs in the ring at that level, not not
so much his ability, but as far as the storyline goes,
You could really trace everything back to Becky Lynch if
wwe wanted to, they could spider web this whole fucking thing.

(13:13):
They could spider web Paul Hayman. They could spider web
the vision. Oh, the vision.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh that was her idea. She can't go.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like all of this you can kind of put on
Becky's shoulders, and Becky seems to handle that pretty well.
I think Becky Acky.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is a better heel than he is. I mean, from
the point of actually getting the right kind of heat right,
she is better at that than he, and.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Her reactions are great. Her reactions to getting flustered, her
going back and forth like a bipolar maniac in the
back while he sits on the couch brooding was perfect.
I literally watched that scene twice because I was like, Wow,
I'm I'm impressed. Seth didn't say a fucking word. Look
how great this is. And it made sense because because

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everything that Seth could have said, Becky was behind him, pacing,
literally chewing it out. It was I don't know, man,
I really liked it. I don't know if it was
a real deep creative connection or if it was just
something that they threw together at the last minute and
happened to say something interesting without saying a word. I'm

(14:23):
not sure, because WWE is really confusing to me, sometimes
not because of the depth or but more along the
lines of its awareness.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right, you don't know what they're doing on purpose or
by accident. I don't know, man, I like I said,
I think Becky is better at this type of role
than Seth is. I know, people, there's a lot of
people now that Seth's been around so long that he
is just like kind of accidentally one of their guys,

(14:52):
so they think his matches are great. I find them
to be, Okay. I think that the definition of over
sure he is, like I said, he is good, or
he can rise above when he's given people that are
much much, much much better to work with than he is.

(15:13):
I mean, if you run through some of his real
fucking stinkers. And I know this is going to sound
harsh because it sounds like I'm like speaking ill of
the guy and he's passed years ago now, But like
when he was doing this shit with Bray, it fucking
sucked because Bray's character was supposed to be multi dimensional

(15:33):
let's call it that, of course, and and it ended
up being one dimensional and then every time we added
a dimension to it, the dimension was shit.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. So but that's the fault of Seth the person
more than the character. The character that was designed was
designed poorly. Like it's isn't isn't that the kind of
rule that WWE has as we hand you shit and
you're supposed to make chicken salad.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, and that's what people have done with Zeth. That's
what Punk did was say, that's what Cody's gonna do
with Seth. And that's the problem is is like the
the Brass has convinced themselves that Seth is the chicken sandwich.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, well instead of.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
We know that, right, Yeah, he's just he's his Gundam.
We know that. That's I mean, if you haven't put
that together by now, I don't know what the fuck
to tell you. Because even him doing the promo last
night with the fucking watch that's Triple H shit.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, yeah that is. I had
Rick Flair flashbacks on that one. Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh yeah, I mean he's like new metal, metal core
Triple H. That's what he is. Like, it's it's exactly that,
and it's still not fantastic to me. But like I said,
if you give him really higher tier guys to work with,
then he's gonna have a decent but.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Not even just higher your guys. His wife. His His
wife makes him look better.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes, yeah, I mean at this point I'd like to
be sardonic and give Becky a hard time because you know,
she's done some real fucking duds of stories in the
past year or two. But she is actually making Seth
a character on the TV show that is insufferable in
the right way.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well that's where that's where the genius comes along, because
here you have the potential of having Becky not just
one up everybody as far as elevating Seth, but literally
taking away all of his negative mechanations as her own.
Everything was Becky's fault at beck Becky is the wife

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and the bad influence. Of course she's gonna do what
she says. She's the mother of his kid.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's just there are so many ways to play this off.
And I'm not saying you turn Seth into a good guy,
dear God, No, no, this role, but this role of
being behind the scenes, the subservient husband, no matter what
whether he agrees with it or the fact that he
allows her to gaslight him. I I don't hate it,

(18:09):
Joe Man.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
The problem with Seth Rollins, one of his many problems
that he's had as a character for the years, is
don't believe what you see with your eyes.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
They've really tried throughout the years with the last and
a look to him to try to make you think
he's a tough guy.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Oh, I know, but they has tried to do that.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
For years, at least with Roman, the forever push of Roman.
There's a part of you that goes, well, Roman looks
like he fucking played football. He looks like he can
kick some asks if need be. But you look at
Seth and you cross with Kobe, like you're like, yeah,
he's probably like a really fucking tough guy in your
cycling group, you know what I mean. Like he's probably

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like one of the like a orky guy you went
to high school with that got into fitness in his
early thirties and he said, probably he's all right, dude,
But like you're not thinking he's gonna go kick some ass.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well, you know, I don't know what they're going to
do with this, honestly, but if they if they do
decide to run the route of making Seth the smaller
between him and Becky. I'm all for it. And not
only that, I kind of like the idea of, you know,
Becky retains that silly name that she used to have
as the man because now she can apply it to Seth.

(19:34):
And it's just, you know what I mean, like, there's
layers to this that kind of work. Once again, I
don't know if it's on purpose.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
If I'm looking at things with rose colored glasses, I
tend to do that, but I also see that there's
potential in this to really kind of run with it,
and it's just I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, once again, if this was people that had there
has ever been a self awareness when it comes to Seth.
There's never been a sense of self awareness as far
as how they've booked him, how they've presented him. I
even said, going back to the Shield, you remember seeing
those old interviews back when you know Ambrose wasn't a
fucking a bloated corpse, and you know, he had his

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hair and he's like James Dean kind of charmed to
him and Romans sitting there looking all aquaman and he's
talking in their two interviews, and there's Dean Ambrose and
he's got his little vocal fry and then Roman comes in,
which is Almo bit Dog, and set was behind him
going yeah, me too, hack like that was always them,
that was always him. But at the same time, we

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put the tactical vest on him and we come out
to the heavy metal and wear a fucking tough guy
and just like I said, ignore every instinct to you
that looks at him and doesn't see fucking any of that.
You're right.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
And that's why I'm saying it's not Seth, You're You're
absolutely one thousand percent right. And this is the reason
why we've both really detested his character evolutionary over the
years is because it's been the same thing, no matter.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm the architect, now I'm the visionary, now I'm in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Like, no, it's
the same fucking guy, no matter what, I'm the cross dresser.
Nobody cares Seth. But now if you give it a platform,
now you sit there and say, well, the reason that
Seth was this way, the reason why he did all
of these things, was because his wife was behind him

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telling him things. And it's not a secret that Becky
has understood her character and been cerebral much much more
than Seth ever has in his career, to the point
where they were telling off color jokes back when her
and Charlotte were still friendly, Like there was a lot
of innuendo that Becky was very good at telling. And
I think that's why she understands her character when she

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decides to play the role. But she understands her character
far better than Seth ever did. And it's like this
role of him being the toad, him being the the fucking,
the knuck dragging mouth breather for for sec for Becky's
beck and call is fitting and makes sense because Seth

(22:09):
didn't win the world title for him. Becky told him
to win it. Becky told him to have gold or else.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You need. You need these guys with you, You need
Paul Hayman, you need these tough guys to make your
life better or whatever it might be. I believe me,
I'm following, and I like it a lot. I think
there's a great fucking story to tell there with making
Seth the whipped guy, I think because that's what he
does look like.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
And also well, even when he was doing the authority ship.
Even when he was the leader of the authority, he
was still yes, yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
He was always kind of a coward. But they're always
leaning back into the but im.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
And that nobody ever believes. But even in the characters,
nobody believes them.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're a punk, you know, like, but the problem is
somncious guys will say like even Cody did, if Cody
did this last night, they still stand eye to eye
with him and kind of do a golpye face. I'm like,
are you really selling that you think this guy's intimidating Cody? Cody,
which is dor fucking voice, and like, baby face, come on,
all right.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, let's talk about the Cody side of things real quick, right,
So we got the Seth's side that was the breakdown.
A little bit later on, Cody comes out and Seth
joins him and they have a little tet to tet
and during this Seth asks him if he remembers why
he gave him the watch, and Cody, you know, he
asks him, was it real? Did you give me the

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watch for reals's? And Cody explains He's like, yes, you know,
I absolutely gave you the watch, and Seth's like.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Why didn't you think of me? What do you think
of me?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Tell me the truth? And I'm just like, all right, hell,
you're a fucking true tough guy. Yes, of course, of
course this is what that But that's their insecurity is
showing there, Seth Rolin. But but Cody goes on and
he explains he did give him the watch, and he
thinks these highly things of him, and then he corrects
the audience. He's like, I know we're supposed to be
playing characters here, but I really mean this, and and

(24:12):
I think that's where Cody starts to unravel for me.
It's this weird you know, we're all playing a role
here on the WWE but PSA message, PSA message kids
don't do drugs, look both ways before crossing, and stop
texting while driving.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And it's like, I.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Get it, man, I fucking get it already. We know
that this is a show. Nobody needs fucking Tyrian Lanister
to pop out of the screen during Game of Thrones
going it's not real, nobody's dying here, like, and that's
what Cody does a lot of the time. It's this
weird playcating to the dumbest people in the fucking audience.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Right right, cod Well Cody, And I've said this before.
I like Cody the wrestler. I do not like Cody
the actor right now. I've never been a fan of
Cody the act tour. All right, well, what's my motivation?
We're all in on this, Like, okay, guys, seeing everybody
getting to your places like he has these moments. Like

(25:13):
you said, there of just complete weakness. There's nothing to
call it other than that. Yeah, complete weakness. And in
a way, similarly to Seth, Cody doesn't give the tough
guy vibe. But Cody at this point has done enough
shit and put himself in enough positions to where, if
you're a viewer, where you go, all right, I believe

(25:35):
he's got some balls.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Honestly, you know who gave Cody the tough guy vibe
was fucking Seth Rollins.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, by fighting him, by beating him with one tit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Was honestly, literally, the only guy I can think of
that really made Cody look like a fucking badass was
Seth Rollins.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
And the sad thing is that in that moment it
still goes back to because of Cody and because of
Set's odd win loss records, not based off of the
fact he's actually tough, right, just based off of or
in character stuff. Maybe Seth Rowlands. Seth Rowlands, I think
would probably throw a punch better than fucking Dean Ambrose
at this point, but that's another story.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to number two soon.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh yeah, number two, all right, he's number two. But yeah, man,
it's Cody's. They got to figure out something with him.
The Sena fourth wall shit, Sena could do it because
he was Sena, and I understand that the idea now
is Cody's going to be the new Sena. But nobody

(26:37):
wants another fifteen years of a Sena type character because
it took till how many years until the whole audience
accepted him truly, not just the kids and girls and
the people that you know, you know where I'm going
with those, Yeah, but not even just that.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Look how many years people hated Sina for that exact
same reason I'm saying, Yeah, nobody, you're right, nobody wants
to repeat of that, and especially point by point, I
understand that Cody is very humble about the fact that
he's got another run in WWE. I'm sure he's very

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humble for the fans that want him to be the champion.
I believe all that. Like that all makes sense to me, right,
It's just we don't need to be reminded of it
in order for you to jockey your position as the
fucking leader of this match. I don't need you to
try and pull out the dwelling of tears in order

(27:36):
for us to believe you're really a good guy. Sometimes
other people are such shit bags that you can just
push them around and people will join up behind you
anyways because they want to see Seth get his ass kicked.
But Cody needs to put himself on a cross every
god damn time he gets that microphone. It's like, dude,

(27:57):
I get it. You had some hard shit. Daddy had
some hardships. There's some shit going on in your life
and in your past that is that is rough to
deal with. And it's a blessing that you're so far
ahead in the wrestling world, in your career and your
family's legacy that all of this matters.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I don't need to be reminded every goddamn promo.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yes, And there's also like you said something to the
fact that if the heels are actually over, he shouldn't
have to do this all the time.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, well, that's the easy the whole point of wrestling.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, well, dude, I think that this is also an
important thing too, and it comes down to, once again,
the pricing of these shows and with Cody being on top.
And by the way, I hope this isn't like people
reading at least from what I'm saying here, And I
don't think you either were were like Cody fucking sucks,
He's the word. It's like not at all.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I just think that what we're heading towards with him
doing the same type of promo, the fourth wall break
ye fay, swipe meat, blah blah blah. Do you think
that the people in the early eighties and wow, let
me really piss off some of the some of the
fucking aw young fans, but whatever, do you think those

(29:12):
people would have paid fucking eight hundred dollars of the
equivalent of it you have seen Bob Backlan Wressell in
nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, of course not.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, they don't because they don't want to pay to
see just I'm here for the sportsmanship.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Not unless that money is like slots, tickets or something
like that. There's no way, it's no fucking and that's it.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's like Cody is he's a serious danger of becoming
the guy that's like, I'm just here for the I'm
here for the have a good game. I just want
everyone to have fun.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
And like, bro, do you think you gotta do you
think he feels it's his responsibility to keep going after
this lowest common denominator Right when John Cena did it,
it's because he was literally raising children. He was raising
your kids for twenty years, right like that. Yeah, that
was John Cena's job. He was the part time babysitter

(30:05):
from seven o'clock at night to ten o'clock at night
every Monday and sometimes Friday. But do you think that
Cody is being told or being directed to be this
type of babysitter for the next generation of ww fans
And that's why he's always placating to us.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'd suppose because in their minds still they want to
have something on the show that's gonna make the kids go, mommy, mommy, daddy, daddy,
I need to go to the wrestling show. But it
still comes down to once again, man if you had
a niece or a nephew or a son or whatmever,
even Jesus Christ, somebody like your friend's kid or whoever

(30:49):
said to you, like, I want to go see John Cena.
You could be the hero of the day for twenty
five bucks, right, and be like, yeah, we're gonna go
to the Yeah, we'll take them, We'll go to the
fucking ever and see him at a house show and
they see John Cena, Oh my god, I got to
see John c Now, if you got a kid that
like Cody Roads, it's like, sorry, we're gonna have to
get a fucking second mortgage, yeah, cause you're a big

(31:11):
fan of Cody Roads. And I think people think I'm
being a once again, like we're being like these fucking
stinge lords by being like, don't spend anybody on these people,
But like, no.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
We just read off those ticket prices. I mean, the
most bleediest of tickets are already starting at eight hundred
bucks and we have how many months till April those
god yeah, I mean seven? How much are those tickets
going to go through other resellers who tack on another
couple one hundred dollars?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
God forbid?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Tack on an extra zero, Like I don't know what
those tickets are going to be, Like come around in April,
and I really doubt there's gonna be any last minute
I'll just buy for fifty bucks kind of tickets, man,
I just.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
They'll be they'll get to I think they'll get down
to a couple hundred bucks online, probably closer to the
probably closer to the event. It's getting bought up in
that area. It's getting bought up by scalpers, is getting
bought up by chicket brokers on the fucking strip. It's
getting brought up by people probably that do you know,
different corporate shit throughout the city. I'm sure that's happening.

(32:16):
But at the same time, yeah, you're not going to
get people where it was in the past. And yes,
WrestleMania is obviously different than a fucking house show, of course,
but Cody has to come to the realization where it's like, yes,
it's I'm glad I want kids to go to wrestling, Like,
please let that be known. Like when I see this shit,

(32:36):
I can't tell you the number of times where I've
been at shows and I'm like, this is a fucking
shame that it's all guys our age here, right, Why
why is it just us like this should be something that,
like you just should be an experience for you. Like
the first wrestling show I went to, I think I
was like fourteen or fifteen.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Because dona We priced out the idea of a dad
taking his kid.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You want to be grossly honest about it.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And it's not even.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Like, oh, dad's just a selfish, selfish.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Pieces as shit.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
WWE has priced out families if dad wants to take
his kids or kid even he's not looking at an
eight hundred and fifty dollars nose bleed ticket now, he's
looking at sixteen. Now he's looking at twenty four hundred
dollars for just him and two people, never mind parking,

(33:32):
never mind hotel and airfare and all the other shit
that comes with. And that's what just one night. So
you're looking at forty eight hundred dollars if a dad
has two kids that want to go see WrestleMania with him,
and the worst tickets in the house.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Right, what's Oh my god, I'm blanket on the name
of It's like Moose Bear, I'm such an idiot because
this is such a popular thing. But the indoor water parks,
I know you have a fucking ton of them over
near the are you live in. But like, there's like
a popular chain I can't think of right now. I
can't think of the name of it. No, see it's different.
It's an East Coast one U Great Wolf thank you, Yeah,

(34:12):
Great Wolf Lodge. So the Great Wolf Lodge is like
something like that. It's an indoor water park for people.
If they didn't catch what I said earlier, it's you know,
for families for sure. They don't price that shit cheap.
Of course, it's not forty dollars, not fucking the cost
of saying that red roof. But it's also not six
thousand fucking dollars, right, you know, So you're not putting

(34:37):
yourself in a position where you're like, hey, everybody, you
want to come in to fucking ride the slides and
go into the Lazy River. And it's like yeah, and
it's sorry, kids, you we're gonna have to take your
braces off if we want to take you to the
fucking the White Flag. Yeah right, sorry, tiny Tim, It's okay,

(35:01):
I understand. I want the other children to enjoy the
log Flume Ride.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I didn't like talking as much as the other kids anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know, all this, all this hopping around was making
me peckish. It's okay, yeah, like, no, dude, that's the
point though, What the fuck if you're selling something that's
specifically supposed to be for kids and families, it's like, hey,
you have to Disney. Disney can be a ripoff, but
Disney can't be too much of a ripoff.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Do you think that this is and this will be
the last thing I say about this before we kind
of move this along a little bit, But do you
think this is ultimately and obviously including even the scenario
of what Seth might be becoming. But do you think
that this is one of those creative changes where they
don't want the kids so much anymore. I know that
they're showing the kids in shock that brock Lesnar just

(35:52):
absolutely decimated John Cena Russell Palooza. But do you think
that this is almost a band aid to rip off
that when John Cena finally retires, we're not gonna make
kids contents anymore, not necessarily turn it into GCAE dub
or nothing like that. But maybe in the sense of, look,
we're gonna start running with more adult storylines because there

(36:12):
was a time, and I know me and you talked
about this years ago too, that what made the Attitude
Era so popular was the fact that it was taboo
for kids to watch it. We remember back in the
day when primetime wrestling was that thing and kids could
watch it if they could stay up that late, etc.
But by the time the Attitude Era came around, it
was only cool because it was made for adults. You

(36:33):
had like half naked women, you had vicious matches, you
had a lot of swerves and satanic and rock metal
and fucking innuendos like It was absolutely geared towards more
edge styled content in an edgier audience, which in turn
made adults go and it made it cool for kids
to watch because they were doing things that they knew

(36:54):
they weren't supposed to. Ultimately, do you think that TKO
in its own branding or re branding of WWE. I
know they're working with Disney and ESPN, which is silly too,
and we'll get to that. Do you think that this
is ultimately their way of trying to force evolve the
product and the creativity into a new direction.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think that they can just think that whatever they
fucking charge people, they'll pay it. I don't even I'm
not even sure if they're thinking on that level for
the creative ent. Okay, I think they really just truly
think that Vince McMahon was letting the consumer get away
with bloody murder for too long? Do you believe these

(37:36):
people getting in for these prices? Like, that's how it
it reads to me.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
But you know how crazy that is to say that Joe,
that Tko Shapiro, all of these guys believe that all
of the fans were pulling the wool over Vince's eyes.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, what a sucker. Yeah, And you think you're likable
for saying this. Do you think people are gonna take that? Well?
I mean, yes, I get it that there's a lot
of people that are just tuning in having a good time.
They got the Netflix subscription, because most people do at
this point. They're not completely fucking horny for every little

(38:15):
drip and drab of wrestling news that exists. They might
not know who this guy is, they might not know
he's ever said that, But the reality is that people talk,
and if you are spreading around the word that, hey,
the people that bought wwe are openly like saying, hey,
we're just gonna keep doubling and tripling the prices of shit. Well,

(38:37):
the economy is fucking belly up. Well, people are sitting
around going, I don't know if I can afford my
fucking car. I don't know if I can live in
my fucking house, right, And they're like, oh no, well,
Vince was really letting you guys get off easy with
those fifty sixty dollars tickets, whether people realize it or not.
And this is it. It all goes back to you

(38:59):
know what you believe, oh, what's red on the internet,
or how people really are. People don't have to scream
fuck you. They don't have to a regular person live
in their life. They don't have to be fucking guys
like you and I where we do shows and we're
duckshit and this that and the other thing. You'll just
real quietly say fuck you, right, and they'll move on
with their life. They'll go to something.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Else, watch Monday night football, I'll watch the Ravens play.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
You'll take your kid gets sit there and go I
really love John Cena and you're like, well, John Cena
retired sign to pick up another cheap hobby. Brother, Let's
find something good for you to do. Hey, you want
to get an RC car, Let's fucking do that. There's
a two hundred bucks that's still a fourth of a
price of one ticket to go to Monday Night Row. Yeah,
you know, so there's a I.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Always try to think that these billionaire executives are trying
to evolve their money, because the one thing that we
can count on with billionaires is they just don't have enough, Joe,
They just don't have enough. So what I think a
billionaire I don't think of people that just let it ride. No,
I'm thinking of people that are investing in other people

(40:07):
to make them more money.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
You know. Yeah, nothing is done out of the kindness
of their hearts, like anybody like I think that was
Like one of the things that has fucking annoyed me
the most out of the past year is watching people
be like, yeah, but these are the nice, insanely rich people.
I'm like, do you think people accumulate wealth by fucking
feeding puppies and being a sweetie pie? Like? No, they

(40:32):
get it by being pretty fucking ruthless, and they get
it by buying up companies and liquid hating them and
crushing people's dreams and destroying small businesses. Somebody's listening to
this and they're going, what are you fucking coming? No,
I'm just not a mongoloid. I've read a book, I've
looked at life. I know that there's a lot of

(40:54):
people that think, like, I don't know. The TV told
me that just because somebody has a billion dollars, they're
smart and good person. But a lot of the money
that they be you acquire wealth so are a lot
of sketchy fucking means. For example, buying a wrestling company
in sex tuppling the price of a fucking nosebleed ticket, Right,
that's how they got rich. They didn't get that rich

(41:17):
by going, oh, we got the wrestling company, why don't
we let the kiddos in for free?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That's see, that's the part where I'm still confused, right, Like,
I know that there would be people that would call
me naive, but I don't think it's naivete. I think
it's more along the lines of I'd like to believe
that these billionaires that are investing in wwe have looked
at the expansive audience, the global audience that they've had.

(41:43):
Look at the legacy that this company has built, and
instead of thinking of something that's going to get flipped
in a couple of years, they just go ahead and
try to invest and evolve the money that they have
in order to make more. It's kind of like getting
an oil well or something right, like, sure, you can
invest in the oil well and put on the cheapest

(42:04):
drill and make two billion dollars or two trillion dollars
and then just bolt And then I know there's a
lot of billionaires that do this. And then they'll sell
it to another company that will drill the rest of
the oil, and then they'll sell it to a third
company that will literally scrape the bones at the bottom
of the well in order to get whatever shekels they

(42:24):
can get out of it. But sometimes these companies invest
because there's so much oil to be made and so
much money to be made that they will stick around
and keep drilling and keep drilling and keep drilling. And
so when you look at them raising the prices, you
would think that, look, the investment is coming back tenfold.
Maybe we shouldn't abandon this in two years. Maybe we

(42:46):
should invest on making it bigger and bigger, so we
can get bigger and bigger returns. And the difference between
an oil well and the audience, which suffice to say,
should be you know, understandable by everybody, is that audience.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Just received as the same by a lot of these true.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
But the audience, if you're good to them, will constantly
renew itself with children, with other family members, with other friends.
So the unlike in oil well, which is a finite source,
WWE has tapped into a wrestling market which is technically
an infinite source, at least comparative to today's standards to

(43:24):
what it was even during the Attitude era. Not saying
that they can ever do that again, but shouldn't that
kind of be the goal. Shouldn't they all kind of
look at Attitude era and go, fuck, they really had
it good. Look how much money could have been made.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
But that's a lot of worksh.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I mean, they're not doing it, you know what they're doing.
They're hiring other people to do the work.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I mean, And what if I just make other people
do it and then just sell it and make all
the fuck of money and go do it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Else like I I really I don't know. I guess
that's the difference is is is it an oil? Are
they looking at it as just a finite source of
money and once they hit their their the temperature gauge,
once they peak, they're done and they bolt. Or do
they look at it as this is renewable income, this
is something that I can carry on and carry on.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I'm I'm assuming just due to the way that they've
been behaving as a company, it's a pump and dump, Okay,
it's a get everything you can. I don't know, man,
I don't think anything has really kind of like surmised
or summarized what's changed in our perspective of wealth accumulation

(44:34):
and the way that we make money and the way
that we want to do things. Then, like a perfect
example I feel is like a cryptocurrency. Right where are
there people probably have the cryptocurrency where they go, I'm
gonna put a couple of books and I'm gonna sieve
and blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Depends the reality depends on which crypto, right, Like I
think what like the ethereum and bitcoin are still the
solid ones that people stick with, but you know, all things.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Like what aren't most people miss think in their mind,
I can if I can put a thousand dollars on
this thing, the second it hits fucking five grand, I'm
just gonna sell it.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Oh yeah, they're gonna fin up it with fucking blowjob girl.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Absolutely. They just they just want to like, And I
think that's the mindset of people. Now. It's not necessarily
like what if I put my seven thousand dollars in
a row diary and let it grow for thirty years?
They're like, no, I want to make a fucking scam
mean coin and sell it and move to fucking Las
Vegas with enough money that I can buy seventy two

(45:31):
thousand dollars fucking ringside seats to a boxing match.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I think both were I think both work. Obviously they
do because if all the fucking crypto coins, as for
your example, were what is it like not inflatable, and
if they were all designed to go away, then nobody
would keep their crypto coins at all, Nobody would invest
in it. Nobody would you know, check whether it's going

(45:55):
up or down, et cetera, et cetera. Like there's something
to be said about making a solid investment. You don't
just throw those away that's what the word means is
invest time, invest money. But the short term investments work too,
so I understand it from both aspects. I just think
that WWE has been around long enough. It's like getting

(46:16):
a McDonald's stock. You know, you're not worried about your McDonald's.
McDonald's going bankrupt next year because it's been around for
so long, because it makes so much money.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But we're thinking in this moment, you're also thinking, and
I am, I am guilty of this are some points
too thinking like an adult that was raised in the
nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, where the mindset, like I said,
of you put the money in the bank, you get
a nice high interest yield, and you shit on it
and you'll be a good boy and you don't waste
all your money on bullshit. People, especially younger people, are

(46:51):
learning from the big business model of what's the scam? Right,
what's the scam? What's the thing that I can sell
and make a fuck ton of money and be done
and I can get rid of this fucking thing as
soon as possible. And in some respects I don't blame
them because that's what they see constantly, and that's the
perception of it. What am I gonna be a fucking

(47:14):
idiot and save my money for thirty years? Like, why
would I do that when I can come up with
some sort of a bullshit invention idea tech thing and
sell it for ten million dollars to Google or whatever
the fuck and then I don't have to work anymore. Right,
That's a lot of what people's goals seemingly are more
now than ever. And I don't know, man, I'm hoping

(47:37):
that a lot of this shit changes in the next
three to five years in wrestling for the positive as
far from the business end, but I'm not optimistic. I know, surprise, surprise,
but no.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
No, but you have every reason not to be. That's
why I'm saying. You're absolutely valid with what you're saying,
but there could be another side to this coin. I'm
just not really sure yet what TKO's plans are. It
feels like they're trying to be dominant in corner.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Of the market.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Obviously having UFC and WWE kind of exemplifies that. But
at the same time, volatile was the word I was
looking more Jesu Christ, sorry.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
And yeah, but like dude, if somebody was coming to
buy a house from you say you owned a nice
two family that you inherited from a family member who
passed away. If they were gonna say to you, hey,
I want to buy this, and they're putting in bids
and they're writing letters, they're not gonna look at you
and say, yeah, man, I want to get this so
I can fucking flip it and sell it make three

(48:30):
hundred grand. Fuck you. You want the nice letter that says,
you know what, I'm moving it. It depends on what
part of the city it's in, I guess, but what
I'm saying, it's like, which if you get two letters,
one says that, hey, listen, I'm gonna fucking flip this
thing and make a few hundred grand and go, you know,
fuck hookers in Columbia. Or you get some guy give
you a letter and it's like, hey, I'm gonna move

(48:52):
my grandmam my mom in here, and you know, we
want to fucking make a better life for ourselves, and
I want to fix this up and I want to
have my kids something. Most people that have anything resembling
a soul are gonna take that second letter. Sure. The
problem is is the people that the first the first
group now they're gonna write a letter like the second

(49:12):
group and offer thirty five thousand dollars more. So you're
you're going, oh, I'll be well, let me help them.
I'm helping these people out. In the meanwhile, they're just
fingering your ass and stealing money and heading to the
aforementioned Colombian whorehouses.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Right, No, No, I get it. I like I said,
I think it's just it really depends. We'll see what
happens over the next year or so. I think I
think will really have a better understanding of where TKO
and WWE stand after Saudy Mania, I really do. I
think Saudy Mania depending on how everything goes. If it

(49:50):
is as egregious and disgusting and they're just digging corpses
up to put them in the ring for a nickel,
I think I'll totally agree with you. They're just trying
to flip this at the maximum that they possibly can.
But if they try to do things like develop new
storylines and start developing talent in different ways, I don't know.

(50:10):
I mean, if you know that your company is going
to burn tomorrow, why are you wasting time with LFG?
Why are you wasting time with evolved. Why are you
wasting time with the nil programs or even NXT. Maybe
NXT makes its own money so that can stand on
its own.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I'm showing to my future seller slash investor that I
am investing in my future. That's what I'm showing to that.
I mean, I can make a prediction that I feel
like is bold but also really not at the same time,
Saudi Mania, there is a good possibility that there will
be an announcement that now Prince Turkey is a minority

(50:51):
at least shareholder within TKO. Right, that announcement will be made.
He'll shake hands in the middle of the ring with Tripleah,
Nick con.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
And Tom Brady, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And Tom Brady. Yes, some reason, he'll be there. Jesus Christ.
Peyton Manning will be there. He'll wear one of those headdresses.
It'll be the most flattering thing you've ever fucking worn. Sure, yeah, no, dude,
it's it is what it's going to fucking be. But
you're right, probably around the Saudi Mania. Well, actually have

(51:23):
an idea of where it's going, but you just got
to kind of wear your rose colored glasses because you
know we're all on this piss water slide, just put
your hands up, or you know, you try to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
We had Penta and the war Raiders versus New Day
and Grace and Waller. It was okay, man. You know,
it just really goes to show how head and shoulders
Penta is above everybody involved. And it's weird to say
that about New Day over everyone, because i mean, New
Day was a staple in WWE on all.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Of these just fresh too, man, Like you got the
New Day. The New Day is a three day old
bag at this point. Man, We've been seeing them fucking forever.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So but they got that new music with Yeah right, yes, so.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Never mind, Yeah, no, I'm not it's yeah, yeah, no.
I mean pent is the guy that you're hoping walks
out of this as the stars, the guy that sells
your mats and T shirts and all that, and he
doesn't seem like he's gonna fuck up, and he's an
old enough man and he's an adult that we're probably
not gonna hear anything too screwy. So yeah, he's he's

(52:28):
the star. He's the star that's going to merge out
of this grouping, if you will.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, Penta, Penta pinned Waller. There was also a point
where Dominic Mysterio, Now this is where the creative staleness starts,
and I don't know who started it, but you're gonna
start hearing the same storyline with different names. So Dominic
Mysterio is worried about Russev and he talks with Finn

(52:54):
Baller and Phinn Ballad is like, oh, you got this
pal right, like you don't need us, blah blah blah,
you know, hinting to what was happening last time. And
then he finally gets JD McDonough to help with Rock
Sane kind of going in there going it's all for
the new or sorry the Judgment Day, New Day, Judgment Day. Sorry,
it's all for one and one for all, and JD

(53:15):
is like, well, fuck you, Dominic, I'm gonna do it
for the for the group, but you're a piece of shit.
And he's like, I'll go talk to Adam Pierce and
Dominic's like, I already took care of that. You got
to match with him next, you know. And so that was,
you know, just another point of dirty Dominic splitting up
the group and kind of going his own way. And
then we had the weird Valkyria, the bird girl stuff

(53:39):
with Bailey where she's in the back and she's all
nervous and gun shy, and Bailey comes up to her
and Bailey's crazy now and now she's a good guy
and oh, you're silly. I didn't ever tell you to
go fuck yourself, you know which, later on she tells
Valcaria to go fuck herself again.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
So it's a cuckoo Bailey. Yes, she's which, by the way,
and I will give credit where this dude. Bailey is
actually a good enough performer to some extent that she
turned it up a little bit in the ring and
was a little bit more aggressive and the people did
on it. I'm I'm I'm bummed out that it's tied

(54:20):
to arm hair and for instant in my head, I'm
a cool, cool lady instead of it just being like, hey,
she gets to be tough. But at the same time,
she's doing her old school gimmick, right, She's doing the
big Bear hub, she's doing the wave. It's almost like
this was supposed to be the natural, real evolution of
that character without all the schizophrenic undertones attached.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, I mean for bipolar imagine that, dear lord.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's it's a bummer because, like I said, you know,
you look at it and you go, oh, yeah, you
could have had you know, I'm just a whittle girl, Bailey,
and she could have evolved into a tougher, older aged
woman who could fucking kick some ass. But we don't
need all this right bullshit. You know, I don't know,
but you know, bird Girl's back on TV, so blessed

(55:07):
be to us.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, I'm I'm not a fan of this, and I
understand what they're trying to do. They're going to use
bird Girl in order to validate Bailey a little more,
even though Bailey really doesn't need it. She just needs
a solid storyline. But yeah, bird Girl, they're going to
try and make her the fan favorite by making her
the whipping girl, and Bailey's going to basically abuse the
shit out of her for the next few weeks until

(55:30):
we all feel bad enough that we want bird Girl
to win one match against Bailey or some shit.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
In Australia for some reason. At eight o'clock in the morning,
Oh my god, dude, you ready for fucking eight am?
Wwepoe is you ready for the seven am for you? Dude?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, dude, I can't wait. It's like, do you remember
wwe am raw.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean that was a clip show.
They weren't doing that doing And.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It was only an hour too. It's not going to
be three four hours. It was only an hour.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
So it's funny because my buddy that will come over,
you know, pretty often to watch some of the pl
east with me. I'm like, what say to it, may man,
you want to bring some fucking bagels over? Stop at
the stop at dunks or something, get some donuts, like
what do you? Yeah? Boy? They really removed that interpersonal
element of these pay per views by putting them at
a time like that, I suppose, But you know, maybe

(56:23):
it's just like Christmas.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Maybe they're trying to teach us a lesson for always
blaming them for being too late. It's like, all right, motherfuckers,
it's like that, it's w W is just never gray. Guy,
it's always either black or white. It's always one extreme
to the other. Oh well fine, you guys hate it
at ten o'clock at night, eight o'clock in the morning,
it is.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
No no, how about that. Yeah. It's like it's like
when somebody speaks too loud, so they're like, really good people.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
People in California are turning it on at five in
the morning.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Come on, man, that's that's hilarious. I mean they're not
there's no way, no, no, they're just like, there's no
fucking bowling over.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm getting up at five am on Saturday
to watch WWE.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Are you Broah, don't worry. I'm sure Dave Meltzer will.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Of course he will. It's just a bit about it.
But then we had Stephanie Va Kerr kind of came
out there. They came out there and talked about how
happy she was. She was out there with Adam Pierce,
and she that she loves I.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Love the WWE universe, favor support and promises for a
long rain blah blah blah. Nice.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
She thinks they're dead. You know what, though, I gotta
take that back.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's that is honest to God. Really, And the dad
looks like real life set.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, no, it's weird to it's weird to see something
wholesome happen on the show.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Well let's let's also point this out too. It's weird
to see the women do something like that, right, you know,
And like, I don't mean that in a way of
I mean that in a way of how many times
have we seen unless, of course the dad was also
a fucking wrestler. I suppose that's about you know, like
Charlotte might have her dad.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, usually it's the company that does something wholesome, the
company has a charity, WWE's supporting armed troops or you
know what I mean, Like it's always WWE. It was
nice to see that they gave Stephanie a moment to
sit there and say, look, you know, I've been learning
English and I'm happy to have his title and my
dad is my inspiration. And I'm like, that's nice, and

(58:27):
you're right, like you were just saying, it's usually a
guy like Cody Rhodes that comes out there. But overall
I always feel like it's the company first and then
maybe a Cody Rhodes. But the fact that they let
Stephanie do it, yeah, I was pretty impressed.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
It was nice. It was very it's humanizing. It's nice
to say. And also at the same time I have
to say to that man, good job, Jesus Christ, good job.
What a fucking babe. And not only is she gorgeous,
but like fucking seems like a real nice normal human too,
and that's where that's why she's getting it. Let's let's
also not gonna twist it. It's not just because she's

(59:03):
really good looking and a good wrestler. She's getting over
because the crowd can sent she's also a nice person. Sure, right.
I will always go back to that is that I
don't think that crowds are that fucking stupid today. Maybe
thirty five years ago, people didn't put together the fact
that like Ultimate Warrior was like a dickhead on cocaine

(59:23):
and definitely not a gay male prostitute at any point.
But like, they didn't put that together in nineteen ninety two.
But now they have enough exposure where somebody goes out
there and goes, I'm nice, They're like, no, you're not, bitch.
We can tell you're an asshole. You know they can.
They can smell it enough unless they're ADEW fans the
Sasha Banks.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Oh, they can definitely smell it if you're an AW fan.
But we'll get there, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
That's why they got to put out press releases to
get some goddamn dove on them pits.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And that's not even the first time that happened. I
think it's so funny. So many people are reacting to
that letter that came out about those those two fans
ahead to smell the rest of the audience, And I'm like,
I don't believe that's the first time. I don't even
think it's the second time we've seen that. But nine
digre it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Which, by the way, real quick, let's make us make
a point of this. I am very pro that they
should be able to kick you out of a building
if you smell that shitty. I am very and I
think the same thing on a fucking airplane too, if
you're in an experience, especially now the motherfucker's paying a
thousand bucks to be there. If I'm paying a thousand

(01:00:28):
bucks to sit at a fucking show, the guy next
to me better not smell like he should his pants Shoh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
But there's a problem. What if they can't pinpoint the smell.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Oh, that's what we that's why we bring dogs, get
dogs the arena.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Just look for the dogs that are puking. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Well, you know what. That's how you know too, Like
it's like, if you believe in reincarnation, you get reincarnated
as the shit smelling dog. It's stinky wrestling fans at
WWWE and aw man, Oh my god, dude, I love
too heart. You know I thought I lived a good life.
Oh I came back as a dog. Yeah, you're the
shit smelling dog. Got to smell poof This dog eats

(01:01:07):
out of the trash and you still made a gag,
you know what I mean? Like this dog eats its
own faces and you are too much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So following up with the Lyra Valkyria stuff and obviously
the match there was some Oscar Kyrie saying Rio Ripley
and interaction that happened for their match, but we go
on to Bailey versus Roxanne and that's where we get
the the loss in the sauce Lyra of Valkyria and
Bailey flipping out at the end, you know, kind of

(01:01:35):
doing the whole think you can hug me? Do you
know who I am? Stay out of it yelling at her.
That was not great. Yeah, that was actually kind of funny.
I laughed because I will say this, and I think
we've said this before. Lyra has good facials, she really does.
She's a much better visual than she is a talker.

(01:01:56):
She looks like a scared bunny so when Bailey's over here,
flipped out on her and she looks like a scared bunny.
It works, It does. It works for me. I believe
that if she was in a real situation, she would
look that terrified.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Well, Irish people know how to show fear on their
friends because they usually I know you were gonna say
something about it. I'm like, come on, you know, you
know the deal. They usually they're struck. They're often struck
as children, so they know how to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Know, Oh, I don't know anything about that. Japanese kids
get hit and don't make a fucking sound.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
They just shut up. I like the idea you'd be like,
well we're quiet about it. Yah boom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
If you said anything, you lost the grade, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Fuck Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Well, anyway, good beatings. He's got to see this week.
Oh it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
See why why you only get B and beatings B
for beatings.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
For Roxanne? Prize is fucking coming along though. I really
enjoy your matches.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
She's I don't think anybody should be surprised. Well, in the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Beginning, she was a little too small, almost ineffective, Like
I remember us talking about some of the early tag
matches she had even before Raquel became big strong house,
you know, where rock Sam felt a little light, like
she wasn't doing any damage. And her match with Bailey,
and to be fair, obviously Bailey is beyond a veteran

(01:03:26):
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
It looked good. It looked good. There was some solid
strikes there. It was fine. I had no problem with it. Yeah, well,
the sh'll get there too. It. Roxanne will eventually be
a babyface and she'll get fucking way over. Yeah, that's
my prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I don't know, but we I think that was also
when we had the Jimmy j interaction and then Jimmy
talked to Cody afterwards, where Jay is basically going through
some kind of existential crisis where he's just pissed off
at the world and now he thinks that Jimmy's kind
of like not being a part of the family, and
Jimmy talks to Cody Rhodes and Jimmy's asking Cody Rhodes

(01:04:04):
to like go talk to Jay and he's like, what
the fuck am I supposed to do? And he's like, oh, well,
you know, you're Cody Rhodes and he's like, oh, okay,
I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You're the camp counselor here. Yeah, pretty much, you're the
teachers sport. He turns the fucking chair around. Sitsn't it
his hat with it? He turns his hat around. What's
what's wrong? Funky fresh g we're all homies here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Then we go to Russev versus j D McDonough, which
was just an absolute, absolute beating, highlighting the fact that
Dominic mysterio was on the outside when he could have
saved it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I was afraid of Rusev, which was good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
That yeah, fits right into Dominic's run, like I like Dominic,
Dominic understands this. But if you've noticed, it's kind of
the same deal that we just saw with fucking Jimmy
and jay Usso it's like, oh, well, one of them's
not on board with the team. Now we have two
separate teams that have problems with one of their members

(01:05:00):
at the exist.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Except one's clearly a heel and the other one's still
supposed to be a babyface.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
That one's wearing white shoes and the other one's wearing
black shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Like, oh oh, that's a completely different thing, then my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
That's part of the WWE creativity that bothers me, it's like, look,
can we stick to like one tag team heel turn
at a time. Maybe, Like I would almost be okay
if they would have like piggyback this right after Dominic's
run with the Judgment Day stuff like that would have
made sense to me. But having multiple at the same
time is weird unless it's gonna be some kind of

(01:05:38):
thing where Dominic Mysterio turns on the rest of Judgment
Day and now he joins up with Jimmy Usso and
is now the new USO's with Dominic and Jimmy Usso
and Jay Lusso becomes part of the Judgment Day Like
that would be a mind blowing moment, but that's never
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, that's not the deal. Well, I mean, at least
they finally put the trigger with the Kyrie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Saying and ah, yes, that was the main event stuff.
So yeah, RUSSEV defeated JD by submission, and then we
go to the Kyrie Saying stuff where that imploded when
she was talking to Osca and EO wants to be
friends with Rio Ripley, and then there's a segment where
Ria Ripley kind of pisses EO off by saying, you know,

(01:06:22):
sometimes family's wrong, and she's stumbling through her words, she's
not really conveying because and I loved this, I really
fucking love this. They let the language barrier be the
reason why what Rhea said made sense to all of
us but didn't communicate directly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Through to EO.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
It's perfectly logical because real Ripley is coming from an
actual humane place of caring about her opponent, about caring
about EO Sky. But the way she words it comes
off differently to a multilingual woman, And I'm like, that
is way too intelligent for this fucking show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Sometimes, you know, well, that's it. It has these flashes
of overly, overly thought out intelligence, which is not a
bad thing. I'm not like, keep it simple, fucking assholes,
But you're right, like they have these moments where you go,
oh that was that was really good. That was well done.
But you gotta look at I mean, you got to
look at the players in this right now. And it's

(01:07:25):
really crazy to me because you know, five, even maybe
ten years ago, for sure, would anybody have been able
to convince at least mate, I'm sure you would have
been an easier self, because you've enjoyed women's wrestling more.
There'd be like, yeah, some of the best characters on
the show by far, the women, and some of the
best wrestlers on the show, or the women. I wouldn't

(01:07:46):
have fucking I would have looked at you and been like,
that's cute. You know, oh yeah, I'm sure sounds great,
But at this point, yeah, like Rhea Ripley, Like would
you rather watch Rhea Ripley, or like New Day and
christ Sinned Waller, It's like, give me a fucking break, right,
not even a competition.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Well, I think, I God, we'd have to go back
fifteen years. But I remember, even back during the beginning
of the show, you you always kind of found it
odd that I liked women's wrestling, and I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
A lot of it was insufferably bad, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
You know that WWE was absolutely insufferable. But there were moments,
and I think one of my favorite that I brought
up at the time was when I saw Christy hem
with or hemy with what was it road Dog and
Billy Gunn, and Billy Gunn just pretty much fucking face
palmed her and threw her down to the ground and
called her a fucking whore and she got up on

(01:08:43):
her feet and she I forgot the exact retort, but
it was one of those rare moments where a woman
stood up to a man and it didn't feel unbelievable.
It actually made a lot of sense. And it was
leading to this thing where Christy Hemmy got a bunch
of guys to try and beat up on the new
old age outlaws. And it was and it was fine.

(01:09:04):
But they're like these little moments where I think women
are able to easily surpass men as far as the
depth of what fans feel because of implied male chauvinism. Right, So,
implied male chauvinism is basically saying that, well, what is
the exact term. I know that there's some kind of

(01:09:26):
buzzword for it, but basically, if you open up a
door for a woman, chances are you're a chauvinist.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I don't believe any of this, but I'm just I'm
using this as an example. You know, if you lay
your coats down in the puddle so she could walk
across it, that's implied male chauvinism that women are weak,
therefore men have to go out of their way in
order to protect them. That's not true at all. And
I think that's what makes some of these women's storylines

(01:09:54):
so good and so deep, because you can take that
implied male chauvinism and you can flipping on its ass
by giving storylines to women that make sense. Obviously, shit
storylines are shit storylines where they stand up for themselves
and it shocks the audience. There are moments in wrestling.
There are women in wrestling that shock the audience with

(01:10:18):
their depth. There are different types of stories that WW
is told over the years and other companies too, not
even just WW, just independent promotions over the years that
have really brought about a different face of women where
you can't just look at them and go, oh, implied
mal chauvinism. These women are strong, and I think that
that's why it's so refreshing when you're saying something now

(01:10:39):
like could you have believed fifteen years ago that we
would have been saying, Wow, the women characters are the
greatest unraw that they've ever been.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, yeah, I can believe, yes, but you have to
understand this why And necessarily I'm going to get real
almost needlessly cerebral in this moment, but it kind of
falls into place when you think about it. Right, the
majority of people when they're raised or whoever it might be, right,
at least in this country, I don't know how it
is in other parts of the world, the majority of

(01:11:08):
their rearing and educating and you know, young life, they
are surrounded by women, yes, predominantly right them others the teachers, auntie,
grandma writer. Which is why when a lot of the
time men are watching a show or listening to a podcast,

(01:11:32):
let's call it the Joe Rogan experience.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah, a lot of women on that show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Joe Great. No, I'm just saying, you're a lot easier
to get fooled by them, because there's just almost that
part of you where it's like you haven't had a
level of emotional exposure to or you haven't been to
the point where you're just like, oh, this guy's just cool, right,

(01:11:57):
like romans, fucking jacks. He's cool, right, right, He's got muscles,
and he does a cock arm and fucking has a
chili pepper necklace. It's cool. It's tough, right. It's a
lot of people that will buy into that. But if
you've spent the majority of your life, especially your young life,
raised up by women, you can kind of tell like
I said earlier, Oh this is not a nice person

(01:12:21):
like a Nicky Bella. Right, Sure, there were people that
Nicky Bella got over. Now, do I think Nicky Bella
is some evil, nasty, horrible mean No, I don't think
she's that. But I think that people can look at
her and go fucking phony. Yeah. Oh of course a lot, yeah,
a lot easier, a lot easier than they probably could

(01:12:42):
have in past years with certain male wrestlers, where they
go that fucking guy is a cornball, that guy's full
of shit, that guy sucks, because their instincts are different, because,
like I said, they're instinctively whether you know it's a
wrestling fan, daddy issue, whatever, fucking kind of thing. But
I'm talking about the story act. Yeah no, no, no, but

(01:13:04):
that's where it's leading. Because if you start having storylines
with those people that tickle that part of you. Sounds
gross to say it that way, but you know where
I'm going. That's like, Oh, that's that's mom, that's the
that's the people that raise me. I know, a good person,
like I just said earlier with Stephanie Vacoor, Oh she's
a fucking nice woman. And there's her dad. He's a

(01:13:25):
nice guy. Like, I want to see her do well.
I want to see her fucking win man. I want
to see her fucking kick ass.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
There's information added to that, right, Like, I don't know
would you would you have felt the same if you
didn't know what she went through down in Mexico?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Would you say? I don't even think that's the thing.
I really feel as though, because that miss whole crowd
isn't sitting around on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Look, no, no, no, I understand that, but that whole
crowd isn't looking as deeply as we are either. Some
I guarantee you A lot of those people clap and
we're like, look at her cheeks, bro, she's got creature.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Yeah right, well I mean that and hurt. It's too
many people that are like, oh and by the way,
I mean, boy, are you going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
With us analyzing her? Is it deeper? Because we have
more information about her, because we haven't following her dono next,
because we have heard stories about her, because we have
seen interviews with her with Bubba and other people that
a lot of people find detestable. A lot of people
find Bubba Dudley detestable.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
And the fact that she made him she made yeah, right.
But that's once again that speaks to the monkey brain,
that part of us. It's just like she nice, we
like her, she's sweet. Like it's like, there's, dude, there's
a reason why little kids would fucking they hear that

(01:14:42):
woman Miss Rachel's voice. Yeah. Have you ever seen a
little kid here, Miss Rachel? No? But I oh yeah.
Anybody who's listened to this, Yeah, if they listening to this,
if they've got a kid and they like Miss Rachel,
like you, Hi, you'll see a kid's ears up like
a cat when you fucking drop a treat on the ground,

(01:15:03):
like the pay thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
There's a teacher's pacing and you have it sometimes too,
But there's a teacher's pacing with their words and she
and this is what my children told me this week.
And then it's like there's a weird pacing that forces
you to pay attention. There's a kindness to Oh absolutely,
there's a kindness in her voice. So there's a timber
in her voice. It's very kind, but there's a pacing

(01:15:26):
that forces you to listen because she has something important
to say, Like it's very psychological, like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
What and Ria has that too? Like, that's what I'm saying. Like,
the women that are getting EO has that you EO EO,
Stephanie Vacoor don't even speak English as a first language.
In the English audience consense that they're nice, kind people
trying their best. Remember when you were like, EO needs
to be an evil. Here I go. These motherfuckers aren't

(01:15:53):
gonna buy that, mesh because they can sense that she's
a fucking sweetheart and they like her as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Agree, And I think that that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
That's easier on some level to access for a crowd,
for for women than for men, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
No, absolutely, And I think that there's that was another
part of it too, which I didn't even dive into,
But there's an emotional range that women are capable of
that comes off a lot more fake and plastic for men.
You know, men crying comes off silly on wrestling programs,
it even if it's a real moment, Even if it's
a real moment for the guy, if he's crying, it

(01:16:34):
almost becomes detestable to the testosterone portion of your audience.
But if a woman is crying, it garners sympathy, whether
it's real or perceived. Just because of that alone, there
is a much deeper emotional range that women can not
only project but tap into. That to me means that

(01:16:55):
they're capable of much, much deeper and much better storytelling.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Well, this is why a lot of the times there's
you know, now, I mean, at this point, he's like
a fucking seven year old man. But you know, a
guy like Tom Hanks would have a tear as an actor, right,
he do five Green Mile, Forrest Gump, You do all
these movies in a row, and we go, that's a
fucking amazing actor. But at the meantime, there's three or

(01:17:22):
four women actresses that are fucking killers, right, that are
making movies like almost alongside him. But because he is
that guy, is that good at tapping into that emotion
like at Danield those guys? You know, Yeah, But at
the same time, we almost expect women to be better
at all of those things. We expect them to be
better at, like you said, getting into the emotions.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
But there's limitations both of those ranges too. It's a
lot more difficult, and especially in the world of pro wrestling,
for men to believe women as a man beating badass.
It is a much much bigger hurdle for a woman
to come on off as a woman that can defeat
men and believably do so, not saying that it doesn't exist.

(01:18:06):
Our very own Lofisto is proof of that. But on
a level, I don't think all women are capable of
that type of range, or at least not believable, So
in that sense, they also have limitations as well. It's
a weird mix of things. As a fan looking at it,
it's more impressive to me to find a woman that

(01:18:27):
can come off that strong that you believe that her fire,
that her ability and the story that she's telling in
the way that she carries herself is so good that
she could beat the shit out of whatever guy's in
the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
With her, you know, And that's why Aria is so effective. Yeah,
because she hits all those bass. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I'm so sorry for getting so deep on this, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I just said, no, no, but this, but this is
like an interesting thing to me and hopefully to other people.
Hopefully hopefully other people don't hear this and they go,
are you really trying to break down the real Ripley
eo sky oscar fucking fight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
The el sky real Ripley communication thing was a great segment,
Becky Lynch running rough shot over what Seth was going
to do next, and the way that Becky felt about
it was a strong female segment, like, look, I think
the days of it's a guy's sport, bro like women

(01:19:28):
are just tits and ass like those Vince Russo days
are long gone long.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Well, they're also getting real real athletes. I mean these women,
like even though they're little like Stephanie vecor is no
giant compared to obviously like a Ria or an EO
who's like a small woman, but they're fucking athletic and
they know what they're doing. Do I still think and
like I guess, like let me circle back to unfortunately

(01:19:55):
to a place where it's gonna sound kind of shitty.
Do I think Ria can sell tickets? Yes? Do I
think Ria can sell merch? Yes? Do I think anybody
under that level of truly believable, intense, tough, fucking, you know,
ass kicking while also still being like an attractive borderline
borderline fetish, do I think that they'll be able to

(01:20:16):
do that as well as an over fucking Cody Rhoades,
Steve Ostain.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Oh see, you picked the wrong name. I was gonna
throw a Dominic mysterio.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Dom if Ria Ripley.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Visited dom at the main event of a WrestleMania. Would
it sell?

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Yeah, you don't think so. Well, I'll tell you where
it ain't happening. I tell you we're that fucking main
elevator going ah, yeah, that might happen at the fucking
Great Balls of Fire too, electric fucking Boogaloo. That shit
ain't happening at wrestle Badia in Saudi Arabia. Although that

(01:20:54):
would be hilarious if they did that, I think there's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Still a little bit more story to tell there. I
think when Live comes back, I think it would Live
and Dominic break up. I think you sprinkle a little
Ripley in there, even just as an I told you so,
to live, you have to have something. Even if liv
is the one that gets cheated on and he's the
one that turns out to have been fucking with Roxy

(01:21:17):
this whole time and not calling her at home and shit,
and Live comes back pissed off and ready to murder Dominic,
you just have real Ripley in the background, just in
one of those segments. Maybe even set it up for
a match where She's just smiling and shaking her fucking head.
That's all you need. She doesn't even have to say
shit because it would be implied and the audience would

(01:21:38):
absolutely understand.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
You know, I feel like this coming out of my
face is the craziest fucking thing that I could have
said in the past three to five years. And somebody
somewhere is probably going to turn this show off and rage,
probably because they have issues with ladies, but that's its
own thing. Yeah, it's totally believable to me at this
pint point that you could have Live Morgan co headline

(01:22:05):
of WrestleMania. Wow, one of the nice it's believable. Ria
duh Yeah, uh like Ria duh. Like obviously she could
have a big match built up with it, but lives
at that level. I'm not saying that she's saying, Hey,
fucking you know, Cody hit the fucking showers lives daddy

(01:22:27):
you is the main event? You like? That ain't fucking happened?
But like, could she co headline it? Could she be
fucking third to the last. Could she'd be high on
a card on a WrestleMania at this point? Yeah, seems
bananas to say no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
No, we've praised her, we've we've given her her lumps,
and we've praised her as well. She's done a great
job of turning the ship around, and amazingly so in
a way that neither me, nor you, nor a lot
of even our podcasting friends and associates have ever expected.
How to live Morgan. I'm sure there's somebody out there going,
I believe didn't live all along?

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Well yeah, well if you did, congratulations. Daddio is not
gonna hate event Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Right, Yeah, somebody wanted to live fired.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Who was that? Sean?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
So we go on to La Night versus jay Uso
and the match was fine, obviously explosive for what it was.
Towards the end, obviously there was interference from the vision.
The vision and yeah they got involved.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I don't care about Salty j. I really, it's not.
It's not in the cards for me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I'm not there trying they're trying to. It's weird that
he still gets the fanfare from the audience. I'm getting
flashes of bad Seth with jay Uso, which.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
But it's like the crowd wants him to stay a babyface,
but he's trying to develop a character. I cannot fault
him for trying to make this dead dog alive again.
And if he can do that on the back of
God damn making La Knight a bigger star, making La
Knight another viable star.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Please do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Please take whatever heat Jay Usso had and give it
to La Knight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
I am fine with that, and Jimmy looks good too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I like Arguably, I like the storyline with the Ussos
disagreeing a lot more. The Ussos are great when they're
disagreeing with each other, I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I like them to at this point. At this point,
I'm having like opposite New Day feels, where it's like
I want them to just beat together because it's just
much better than them apart.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
I agree, But I like the disagreements because it's like
I want to see them well. First off, I want
to see them try and fix that awful WrestleMania match
that nobody ever talks about or to bring up. No,
I want them to beat each other and fix it
and then go back to being buddies again. I don't
understand try to remake that match.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Mish is like when people sit there, sit around and
go let's try another Fantastic four movie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
He's never gonna get it, Okay. I think maybe you're
misunderstanding me. In Before the Chat Ruins Me, I think
of it more like in the Hands of the Way Daniel,
Brian and Cain had that tumultuous relationship. They were clearly
great tag team. They were a great tag team together
because they were so opposite. Jimmy and Jay Uso are brothers.

(01:25:19):
They're identical twins, right. You're supposed to look at them
and think that they're on the same page at all times,
but they're not because they're brothers and they have their
own ideas about shit. I mean, hell, Jimmy's you know,
Naomi is off and she'll be back eventually. Like I
like the complications of their relationship because it shows that
they're human. The real character depth with the Usos comes

(01:25:43):
from the scenario of two people that are always on
the same page statistically and blood wise, all of a
sudden not being on the same page. Jimmy doesn't see
La Knight as being this egregious person, but on the
flip side, Jay's like he's a piece of shit. Fuck
that guy. I hope he fucking eyes no fire and
not yeah, and I love that because it's believable. Who

(01:26:06):
doesn't believe that two brothers fight?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Well, you know what this is. This is just in
my own yeah atama set of and I was, let
me tell you what's making this happen? Ata centamunta, how
about it? It's hot? I know right, I'm practicing my

(01:26:30):
Jamaican wraps. I saw that Ginger guy do it, and
I'm like, I could do it better. What the fuck?
Oh yeah, Jimmy and Jail that ship. I this is
what I'd like in my thought bubble for them to
just completely wreckcon this and recast Jay's fucking character as
Montese Ford and then we just pretend like you so
it's never broke up. Oh yeah, I know. I know

(01:26:52):
because I see the whole I see the whole Jay character,
and I go I could drag and drop that onto
Montese Ford and make fucking fifty zillion dollars. And Jay
Uso is just like, yeah, gee, I'm a little bit securio.
I get nervous when it gets too loud b and
it's like, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Sucks, man, Like perfect example of what we were talking
about earlier with guys showing feelings. Jay Uso showing feelings
from week to week didn't sit right with me. I
know some people love that shit, but it felt corny
a lot of the time, and we talked about it.
I give them points for trying, and maybe it did
come from a real place, but it just felt unnatural

(01:27:33):
to see Jay Uso all of a sudden cry.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Well. It's also Jay Usso doesn't come off his emotion
doesn't come off as natural. It comes off as the
guy that's had too many fucking drinks at the bar
and Applebee's oohow. I mean, I know that seems.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Like Joe is brutal my friend, jeez, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Did I say that out loud? I mean, is that
not the feeling you get the tears of an alcoholic.
It's like, man, I could have I would have better.
Fuck a great running back, man, coach shouldn't play me enough? Yo,
Like that's him. That's the feeling I get. You know,
he's like, fuck that ell my fucking knee, man, if

(01:28:18):
my fucking need didn't give out, yo, friend, it's poignant,
but on a bench, some gee, that's how he sounds.
It doesn't sound like a guy being heartfelt. There's only
a guy coming from a place that it should be
coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Well, Jay tells Jimmy and to fuck that guy, and
Jimmy goes running down with the chair and he he
makes sure that the vision doesn't really come in the
ring and finish the job on l A Night.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
L A.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Knight starts getting groggy, and Paul Hayman and and all
his silliness and creativity, they all do the ones to
Jim Hose, who's looking at him like, come on, man,
what are you doing? Like I just I laughed at
his action because at first it was like he's angry,
and then he's like, man, fuck y'all. It's it's little

(01:29:07):
things like that that really show how charismatic jim really is.
But yeah, and so obviously defeated La Nivia the pinfall. Afterwards,
what do we have? Yeah, more of the real Ripley
EO Sky stuff. We talked about that, and then we
go to real Ripley and Oscar. Yeah, there was the
Becky Lynch Rollinson. We already talked about that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Ripley.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
What can you say other than fantastic pl E level
match anytime you throw these two together.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
And we for sure obviously covered all of the actual
aspects of the PSYCHOLOGI.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yeah, no, I mean obviously, the big moment was EO
fucking blasted Real Ripley in the face with the mist
and then they turned on Eo Sky because EO was conflicted,
and then they fucking Osca and Kyrie just beat the
everloving shit out of Eyo Sky and both of them
were laid out. So now we're in this weird development

(01:30:03):
between Ryo Ripley and EO. Now, I don't know where
you want this to go, but I hope that EO
doesn't forgive anyone. I hope EO still thinks that Rio
Ripley was being a bitch, and I hope that she's
stuck in this weird character development where she doesn't know
if she did the right or wrong thing with Ryo
Ripley and goes and tries to seek forgiveness from Osca

(01:30:25):
and Kyrie, and Oska and Kyrie kind of tell her
to fucking hit the bricks, and Rheo Ripley tries to
maybe once again because she showed, she showed emotion where
she felt bad about coming off badly to Eo Sky.
Rheo Ripley still tries to go and apologize to EO
and clarify things. And that's just broken too. And now

(01:30:48):
you have this weird dramatic web where all these different
angles and possibilities are going on and it's a lot
of chaos, and we developed the storyline from there well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
As little as I liked you always imply the storyline
telling of like when you were a little kid and
your mom was like, I have a friend and he
has a son that's around your age, so you should
be friends. I really feel like this is a moment
to where you could interject Julia and do something with her,
because she's gonna die a thousand deaths if you leave

(01:31:21):
her ass on. SmackDown, dude, get her the fuck off
that dead ass show. Get her out of there. And
it's another one where it's like she can work. She's
fucking gorgeous, Like cut it out, cut it out. Why
the fuck is she over there? Scooter ass over to raw.
Interject her into this story, have her be like, hey, Oscar,

(01:31:44):
I fucking remember you know, like you think you're fucking
bad bitch, Well you left Japan, you know clearly she's not.
She should say it with this exact tone too. I
think she'd be created that hey fulking asca your fulk
a bitch? No, Like, I think she kind of sets
that like, hey, listen, what you you were in Japan?
You were over there killing it? EO. You were over
in Japan, you were killing it. And she can sided

(01:32:06):
with the O of course, but be like, hey, I
took the fucking mantle up after you went and I
killed it. Now I'm fucking here, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
So that was pretty much raw. I guess the only
other thing that would be funny, Dan, I only just
throw this out there, Dan says, And it all ends
with real learning Japanese to communicate with EO and a
dual lingo ring Apron. I would actually laugh if she
used one of those translators and the translator because all
the translates. Dude, even Google is awful at it. You

(01:32:35):
just you say one thing, but it translates it into
Kanji incorrectly says something completely wrong in japanese'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
But I like the idea of this, of the end
of this storyline being the same as the end of
the movie Love. Actually, oh, I don't remember that. How'd
that go? Do you remember that? Where it's like the
guy he finds out that his wife is fucking her brother.
Fucking his brother, not her brother. That would make a
hell of a story.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
I think I've seen that video once or twice.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
They didn't put that movie in theaters. Fucking Rick from
The Walking Dead was not in that film. But yeah,
so he catches his wife or girlfriend fucking his brother.
So then he goes overseas to get away from me.
He's a writer or some shit like that, some job
you used to be able to have twenty five years
ago before the economy collapse. Yeah, and he had a
maid who was living there, and I think she spoke

(01:33:27):
I don't know, fucking some language. Yeah, and they fell
in love without words. And then she went back to
her country and he learns her language, and then he
went to go get her, and unbeknownst to him, she
was learning English too. Well, very romantic. That sounds very romantic.
But let's get ready to now that. But you plug

(01:33:48):
Rhea Ripley and heos guy in there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
You know, that was pretty much it for our raw review.
Let's get ready to wrap it up. I know we
were making plans to do YouTube after this, but my
daughter's here, so I got, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Yes, well, what do you want to do go ahead
out with your children.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I know, ridiculous, horrible, what an awful person, But you have.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
You have shitty fucking wrestling lists to make fun of.
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Do you have time Wednesday? Or do you want to
do it later on tonight? Like I don't know deep
later on tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Oh no, I'll be are you kidding me? Dog, I'll
be fucking sleeping two and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Okay, because if we have the PWI five hundred, the
whole five hundred, so h O l E man. Oh
all right, and number five hundred is awesome. I'm just
saying number five hundred. I don't know who he is,
but he has found his number one fan.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Oh my god, I'm a little concerned. I'm not even
I'm not gonna look at it. Nobody fucking don't look
at it. Try your best to not spoil it for me. Folks,
share it amongst you, shared amongst each other. Don't move
it for me, share you di sdain, just don't let
me see it. Yeah, we'll figure out how about how's
about this? We can try to plan on some time

(01:34:56):
for tomorrow. If not, let's have a graphic ready and
we can fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
We can do a deep Thursday too, if you want that.
We can do a real sexual Thursday, just an all
night banger.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Well, nothing's gonna happen substantially in news in the next
forty eight hours. Watch this, dis jesus, I'd be like, yeah,
we got fucking nothing. You know, we'll be fine for Thursday.
And then it's just like rip Vince, Yeah the Undertaker.
The Undertaker didn't call him his excellency and they got
into a knife fight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
That's right, right, Let's get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Much love to all the shows supporting us, Much love
to Tuny, Talk Right Wrestling, Spitball Media, and much love
to Jeff and Lou Fisto who are finishing up the
I think it's going to be the last episode of
the season of LFG. If you haven't had a check,
chance to check out that series, all of it live
on our feed. Make sure to join our Patreon Wrestling
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(01:35:52):
with our YouTube. New Shit coming and we'll be doing
the pw I five hundred on on youtubes this time,
so we'll have it on the audio as well, but
we'll be doing a live so everybody can play along
at home. But I'm out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
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is so sweet. Now the ring camps grown. It's under
her feet gravy prematch snacks while the body joggles rummer
chins to a crack. She was once Bailey a hug
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