THE SCARLET KISS or THE TIME KROSS STOLE THE SHOW (Wrestling Soup 7.22.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh boy, what a sad yet very expected thing to happen. Huh.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, I mean I know some people aren't big fans
of Ozzy, but you know, I don't know, dude, Like
I kind of was raised up to his music obviously,
I think you were too.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, how couldn't you be at least in this age group.
I mean you just there is no way around it.
If you liked heavy music at all at all, you
encountered Ozzy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I think the craziest thing is when you think about it,
whether people are like you know, around this age group
or whatever, you can even remove the reality show and
just even go right to once again if you like
heavy music. Just the platform of oz Fest for so
many fucking bands is crazy. Oh yeah, think about it now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I went to oz Fest back in fucking on ninety seven.
That was the first one I went to, and he goes,
Marilyn Manson was on there. I'm not sure if Typo
Neggatave was on there. I think Manson was on there.
Pantero was on there. It was like the first reuniting
of Black Sabbath in a long time with Tony and
I I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, that sounds about right, because that's what those shows
were like, at least the three years in the nineties.
Those shows were just fucking bananas, you know. Like the
people that love Tool, like Picture just they're just like, yeah,
Tool's gonna play like four point thirty in the afternoon
because this fucking card is so stacked, you know what

(01:39):
I mean, Like that's a band that people just crazy worship,
and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, they were just there.
They're just showing paid forty dollars and you know, you
saw fucking every insanely popular heavy band at the time.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourn, so he
was doing his own stuff and he was doing Black
Sabbath because he had Tony Dare. Marilyn Manson was the
second headliner Pantera Hypo Negative, which was I remember not
liking Typo Negative live. I thought their live show was.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
They're a really bad live band. I saw them ash you.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Saw them, yeah, like fucking amazing, amazing on album. Maybe
it's because they can produce things the right way. I
don't know what it was, but live, I remember it
was really tinty and I'm like, ah, I don't know.
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It was like, at the time, one of the most
boring bands I'd ever seen live, like just insanely painfully
just like slow and plotting, and I was like, eh,
And they were always playing cards with bands that were
high energy too, so it made it even worse.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, pants Hear and Maryland. It's don't exactly crowd killers
like the fuck dude.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah right, Like it's like you're sitting there and you know, okay, well,
who's coming out now to be like nineteen ninety seven Sepultuta,
whereas these crazy brazil million dudes with like long hair
playing instruments, you know, guitars with four strings because they
had no interest in playing anything other than hugs and wow.

(03:09):
Then out would come fucking Pete Steele. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I'm looking at the actual oz Fest ninety seven
poster that Ozzie's selling on his site, and they fucked
up the band's names.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh good, even better.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
So Fear Factory was on there. I saw them a
couple of times. I saw them a headline at their
House of Blues too. They are fucking high energy Machine.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Had really really good live band.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, fear Factory. He is into it. They
were fucking If you weren't jacked up by the end
of that show, I don't know, you must be dead, like.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Actually they were. They were like basically American sugar at
the time.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, yeah, they had that. They were like harder versions
of Pantera. Is how they vibed me a little bit
with a little industrial in there. Machine had power Man
five thousand, then down Set. I don't remember down Set,
but we had Local H. And Local H is a
Chicago group. I don't know if you know them or not.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
But down Set was a rap metal band from California
at the time.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I don't remember seeing them there. Neurosis. I remember Neurosis
having slow burn.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Neurosis is kind of slow too. They're more like a
doom well at the time, they were like a doom
metal ish kind of yes, like the slow slower.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't know, though, odd for that setting, Like they're
actually the oddest band so far. Weirdest one mentioned.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Local H was the weirdest one because Local H is
not metal at all, and at the time I think
there were copa set was there? Big was there? Big track?
Like they didn't come out with like hands on the
Bible and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
They were a rock band. They were just a recular
rock band. But they call them drain st A. I
remember that, and it's drain st H. It was, yeah,
I remember that Goofy band. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, it was the all female metal group basically it was. Yeah.
I actually liked Madri and SDH. I had their album
that was pretty good, and actually I think the one
that I saw too, they had EL seven on. So
I think one of these other bands wasn't on the
full tour either, because they also have Vision of Disorder.
I don't remember them.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'd go a band for New York. Yeah, so I
think they had until road Yeah, they got signed to
Roadrunner right around that time. That was like a yeah,
that was their big big commercial break year ninety seven
ninety eight, so that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, but I don't remember them being on the tour
that I saw. So clearly some of these bands were
switched out depending on what city they were in.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Second stage bands.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh, totally totally second stagers. Yeah yeah, no more fucking
Ozzie Man he punched out today. I don't think they
actually mentioned how I So we were talking before about
the suicide pod thing. I don't know if we mentioned
it on Franken Goss. I think that's where we talked
about it, was that he wanted to take one of
those suicide pods, and what I read earlier was that

(06:02):
supposedly he was too sick to even make the flight.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
So yeah, I mean, the guy had a hell of
a run. There's really no other way to put it,
you know, where it's like, yes, it is obviously very
incredibly fucking sad to lose the guy because you're looking
at it and you're like, all right, who's left? Alice Jagger.
I guess Alice Cooper is still around. Alice Cooper still kicking.

(06:28):
I just saw him last year with Rob Zombie Filter
and Ministry. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember you had that.
But like, man, I mean, well, Alice Cooper I don't
think generationally was as big as the way that Ozzie
was so and I think that's because of the reality
show and because of oz Fast. Obviously, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Alice is pretty big, man, Alice is pretty big. Like,
I'll be honest, Look, I know Rob Zombie was headlining
that show, but people were into Alice Cooper and Rob
Zombie even though he was a headliner, felt like the afterthought.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Rob Zombie was a flash in the pan.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I totally agree. I mean, if I had to rearrange
that card, Rob Zombie would have been the opener, then Filter,
then Ministry and then Alice Cooper.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
But yes, I don't know enough about I go a
Filter's fan base. I just remember Filter when days he
chain the fucking the version of Yeah the Photograph Picture song,
and shit, oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But there are Chicago group too, so is Ministry. Ministry's
obviously Chicago, and if you're playing in Chicago, that's how
I would have done it. But there's no way that
Rob Zombie was gonna punch out at five point thirty.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You know, you didn't want to play in the light.
That's probably what it was. Yeah, He's like, I can't
play what it's light out, and it's like, shut up,
Rob Zombie.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Freddy says Duff Leppard. Yeah they're still around, Rob Helfer
is still around. Yeah, Metallica is still around. I mean,
at this point, don't you five? Metallica is one of
the oldies.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I do, but I really I don't care about anymore.
I really don't. I mean they've really pissed away any
goodwill they've had. In my opinion, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Mega Death is still around, still pumping out.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh yeah, I heard noise behind me and it was
a fucking cat. Yeah. Oh that. I was like, what
the fuck is that? Does somebody coming in the door. Yes,
the cat throwing shit around.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Kiss is still around. Gene is still around. As long
as there's money that we made, Gene won't die.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah. The second they're like, hey, no one has bought
a Kiss item in six months, he's like, yeah, he's just.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Gonna turn it to dust like a vampire in sunlight.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
What are you currently right now? I think he's being
kept alive by the herpie syntax virus in his body.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It wants to live more than he does. And it's like, no.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Ria for sexual science. Herpes will keep you alive.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Kids, They're like, no, it's not. Most of it's really
it's not gonna kill you. It's not the best for you. Obviously,
it's not terrible for you either. But the version of
that gene Simmons hask that's like fifteen different strands together.
Oh yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's all
of them. I think he's got them all.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Like Pokemon.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I collected all of the fucking perfect syntax virus versions.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Jesus Christ Dude Wrestling too for a make Sure Audience
Wrestling Zoup. I'm Anthony Thomas. He is Joe Numbers. Yeah
and yeah, No, it's a it's a fucking hot Tuesday.

(10:00):
We've already got the warnings here. It's going to be
one hundred and fifteen degrees either tomorrow or Thursday in Chicago.
It's going to be gross. We have a seventy seven
hour heat wave watch.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
So so wait, so you guys got the heat wave
going on. Yah, and tomorrow night aw is still in
that same building.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, it's gonna be nice. And you know, the best
thing about the Aragon is it's never cool. It's never
cool in that building.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Ever, So, needless to say, it's gonna be a little
bit of a challenge for the people that do choose
to go to that show.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
At least for the janitors that have to clean up afterwards.
I'm just saying it can be a lot of a
lot of lifestyle cans in the garbage, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
You know, I was gonna say, even for those that
were anti mask at that point, you probably should just
for your own sake, right.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I would have gone. I really would have gone tomorrow.
I wasn't kidding when I was telling you about that
that the environment of the Aragon Ballroom, as much as
people want to like compare it to Casa Bonita from
South Park and shit, because of the way it looks,
it really is a nice venue. It's a great concert venue.
It's real close up. And I thought it was an
interesting idea for AW to finally step out of their

(11:12):
wheelhouse of pretending they're this huge WWE level competitor and
in those type of environments and kind of go back
to grassroots. And I love the idea of it, but
I am not going there in one hundred plus fucking
degree heat. You can fucking kiss my ass. I bet
you those tickets tomorrow will be going for a dollar
because I don't know, man, I don't know what kind

(11:34):
of crazy motherfucker either that, or you got a lot
of money to spend on beer that's the only way
to stay hydrated in that place, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, Or you just enjoy being uncomfortable, that would be it.
Like you're just like I love love sitting in my
own sweltering, fucking ass juice.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Oh yeah, Freddy's right, not the Aragon Ballroom, but the
Aragon Boil Room. Pretty much, Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
The fucking area is going to be gone from that
room in about a six month, not even six months
when am I talking about about six minutes probably in there?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I mean, honestly, everybody's gonna be dying at that thing
tomorrow too, because it's not like there's ventilation. It's like
they can open a window. There's no fucking windows in
the place. And I think that they do have windows,
and they boarded those up like decades ago. So they
boarded them, bricked them.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, dude, they were like, yeah, we had those windows,
but they were a liability. You're like, why, like, believe me,
they were a liability. You know. It must have been
somebody probably was watching that fucking Typo Negative band play
like we were talking about, and they were so fucking
bored they jumped out the window and they were like,
all right, we got to board these up.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah. Was it Peter that jumped out because I could
have seen that, you know, just I'm done with this bend.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, he just landed on his giant dog and floated
right back up.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
He was fine, magical New York Press. But speaking of
the York Penis, holy shit, did Cross have an amazing
night on Monday. I got done watching Raw and the
first thing I thought of was, this is the best
match that this guy's had since Finn Balor in NXT.
Sammy's daying on Monday was not just the best match

(13:18):
because he was able to be Cross, but because Scarlet
was involved. Scarlett reminded me of Scary Sherry. She was
so well involved with that match. It had an environment,
It had a vibe to it, especially towards the end
when his noses busted open and she just full on
goes kiss me. I want that blot all over my mouth.

(13:39):
She looked like one of those dogs that just got
done eating an elk and pulls their mouth back and
it's just the red all over the place. Like it was.
Great man, Sammy did a great job. Obviously going out
there injured. I know we're doing this out of sorts,
but I was really fucking hyped up, like the overall
vibe of the night. I don't know how you felt
about it. It was it was an average raw. I

(14:01):
want to say there was good as much as there
was bad, Like it kind of held its own. But
I really really enjoyed crossing Scarlet versus Sammy on Monday
last night. It was great.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah. At this point, I feel a little bit bad
for Sammy because he's being put in the position to
be the baby face to get this guy over as
a heel, and the people have already decided that they
don't want him as a heel. And like we've said before,
they've started to make Sammy seem so like stupid, and

(14:34):
I think that's really the problem here is It's like
cross comes off as creative and funny and likable to
all the people that are seeing him on the internet,
and then Sammy comes off as like this masochistic dope. Yep,
we're just oh, I know, I'm hurt, bro, I'm just
gonna have another metric gun just like why, because I'm

(14:58):
not gonna let that slide why.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I actually laughed because Jackie rolled her eyes at him
during the promo at the end of the promo and
he's like, yeah, and now I'm gonna go take him out,
and she's just like okay whatever, and I'm like, I
need to fucking freeze frame this because that was the
greatest shot of her just looking away from him and
rolling her eyes like the Rock did the whole oh brother. Like,
I was like, that's great, Jackie.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do you think at this point that that's going to
be What happens is they do the ill double turn
because Sammy does the thing where he's just like, oh
you people don't want a trip for me, you don't
like me anymore, and then Cross is like, yeah, I
already told you you're a bad guy. Yeah, you're an asshole.
I've been telling you to Basically, He's just going to
gaslight him and be shitty to him and bully him

(15:45):
until people all get behind Cross and are like, yeah,
we're with the bully for some reason.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, they were doing that in the match. I don't
know if you're listening in, but there was a couple
times where they had the let's go Samuye, let's go
Cross chance and I'm like, wow, I was not expecting
that Houston crowd to really turn on Sammy like that.
I mean, I would expect like maybe a smattering of
let's go Sammy's, but man, let's go Cross. People had

(16:11):
some serious balls in their voice. You could definitely tell
it was the male audience that was absolutely behind Cross,
and it sounded like the ladies and the kiddos behind Sammy.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So yeah, which is not the worst thing in the world,
but you know, three months ago it was everybody for Sammy. Yeah,
you know, or six months ago at this point. But no, like,
it was a very strange choice, I guess to continue
on with this Sammy Cross thing because it almost feels like, Okay,
now you can move Cross along, because if you do

(16:44):
want him to be a heel, he took Sammy out.
All right, Sammy's off TV for a little bit. We
can forget about it, we can move past it, which
we are apparently, you know, farted in that space, so
never mind. But they could have done that and moved
him on to some other sort of huge Cross that is,
and gave him something to do where maybe the people

(17:04):
would have been able to say, all right, we like
him more as a facer. Hey, we want to, you know,
continue to have him as a heel. But this thing,
you're just kind of you're just kind of doing dirt
to Sammy. This really is you're not helping.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So I think that the guy is so charismatic and
he's so fluid in his matches, he can easily win
his role back. If this is what they wanted to
do for now, I don't think it's a good idea.
I mean, I me and you both talked about this
multiple times with Sammy, that he just has these these
good guy blinders on that is absolutely hilariously bad. And yeah,

(17:38):
like you just said a couple seconds ago, it makes
him look like an idiot, makes him look like a dork.
And I think that once this plays its course, once
it runs its course, maybe we can get Sammy back
into a different environment. Cross my fingers too. When Kevin
Owens comes back, maybe they reunite those two guys together again.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, and roll with that. I don't know. It's it's
very weird. There were some choices made on this show
and on this card to where I was sitting there
and I'm going, I feel like Triple A should environmentally
know better than to book this match. And I think
when we get to it, you'll see why I feel

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that way. But yeah, no, the Cross and samything was good.
It's really funny because now all you do is you
watch Crosses try to count his back bumps. I'm still
doing that. I can't help myself, but it's like kias
and need to bump up on. She's a big fucking guy,
and now he's over so well he looks you know,
he was throwing Sammy around. He was absolutely you know,
working the psychology of Sammy's ribs. They made it very clear.

(18:41):
It was really well done, it was thought out. He
was hyper focused on it. Scarlett did a fantastic job
outside the ring. Look, we're used.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
To a lot of Max scenes in the arena, you know,
where they just stand around and look pretty. And Scarlett
really finally got out there. She handed fucking Cross the
pipe to take out Sammy. She tripped up Sammy on
the ropes, like she even kicked them in the in
the sight of the balls. Like at one point, like
Samy had the comeuppance, like he did the over the

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top move, fucking hit Cross. Cross was down through Cross
in the ring and then Samy was getting ready to
go up there and she just fucking schweaket the balls
with her high heels and I was like, that's great
because now she's slowed down the match by hurting the
baby face, and I'm like, oh my god, this is
I don't know, I really thought.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Letting her do something.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yes, I'm like, holy shit, now she's got personality again.
Thank you, thank you. Like we know she's capable of
so much more. And like I said at the very
start of this dietribe, I'm like, she showed me shades
of scary Sherry and I fucking loved it. I fucking
love it. And the fact that their husband and wife
too with that kiss afterwards. You couldn't do that with

(19:55):
a dominic and a live right, You couldn't have that
crazy kind of moment, But you can if it's your man's.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
And this is really the deal. Yeah, well dude, there
is also too with cross and scarlet, And I'm still
kind of thinking this must be the case. Is that
somebody backstage, wherever it is, the agents or whomever, they
must just not know that she's capable of doing stuff.
That's like, are they just figuring that out? You think now?

(20:26):
Where they're like, all right, I think we have a
good idea for the finish, or Sammy was like, you know, hey,
I have a good idea for a finish and they're like, oh,
what is it? Like, can you do that scarlet? Can
you figure it out? And it sounds really shitty.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
It does? It sounds like, but can you put the
square through the square hole? Yeah, you'd be surprised, Mash.
I mean there's so many people that like, like you said,
a Maxine right where if they said to Maxine, maybe
by now she's gotten a little bit more comfortable. I'm
not going to sit here and say she's you know,
completely clueless, but she's not exactly at the seasoned and aware.

(21:04):
But it's not like one of these things would be like, Okay,
what what's going to happen is you're gonna go through
You're gonna do an O'Connor roll and then you know,
pull his hands through the ropes and then that's going
to be the finish.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Like some people can do that, and a lot of
people in wrestling, especially like managers or pretty girls that
just are you know, along for the ride. Yeah, they'd
be like what what and then to who you're like,
all right, just just stand there to finish the fucking
power bomber, right, Like we can't trust her to do anything,
and like it sounds mean, but then again, like I said,

(21:36):
there's dudes that do. But let's be real, if you're
a male manager standing at ringside, there's a ninety percent
chance it's because you were a worker at some point
or you're actually like smartened up as opposed to where like,
you know, if Scarlett showed up in an independent wrestling
show with some guys she was dating, and they were like, hey,
can I walk her to the yes?

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right right?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Because she's charging Yeah, no, I got it. Yeah, No,
she has got she's got this nice dress. Yep, great, great,
she's gable. Her promos have been good, like her interactions
are fine. I think Scarlett is another one of those
stars waiting to happen. Look, it's it's it's taking Cross.
How many years before people have finally started getting on

(22:18):
board with Cross? And we've admitted that there was a
lot of booking troubles with Cross even when he first
came up from n XT to the main roster. There's
a lot of silliness that happened with the guy. But
Scarlett almost seemed like she was put in the background,
like they gave her a minute, they weren't impressed with
I don't know two minutes of her talking about TikTok
and then it's like they just had her shut up
for like a year or two, and now all of

(22:40):
a sudden, it feels like she's getting a chance again.
Like I said, Monday was really impressive for them. I
really enjoyed that a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I well, here's here's a question. Here's a good old
man question for you. Do you think that they're worried
about a Mayro not Miro Merrow and Sable type situation?
Not saying that crosses.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Like, yeah, if they break up or whatever. I don't know, man,
but they've been together, not even a breakup. Miss Just
look at this fucking girl. What if the crowd. What
if the crowd's like, yeah, we like her and you
know he's all right, or Dustin and fucking Terry Runnolds
or stone Cold and Deborah. But the other people made
it work and it was fine. I mean, you're right,

(23:25):
Marrow and Sable was a giant, huge explosion in the back,
of course. But I don't know. It's like different people
have different kinds of relationships, you know what I mean.
And we knew that even back then. With Marrow, I
suppose he was jealous. He almost had the macho man
kind of thing with Elizabeth where he was jealous all
the time. Right, So yeah, maybe Cross isn't one of

(23:47):
those guys who's jealous, and maybe that creates a different
environment for her to be in because he's not worried
about anybody else because he's fucking Cross and that's his wife,
you know what I.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Mean, Like, Oh, I'm not talking about anybody trying to
bang or I'm talking about the crowd choosing the crowd
saying yeah he's okay, you know, we think he's kind
of cool. But her all right? Like her?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I don't know at this point, why would you not
take any money that comes your way if you can
Cross and Scarlet? Why not if Scarlett gets her own
allure and people like Scarlet for her own reasons, like
why not? I don't know. I guess I don't understand

(24:32):
that side of the booking from back in the day,
where wrestlers would be worried about their girlfriends or their
wives getting over or creating their own character. When you've
kind of been embedded in this vibe of twenty twenty
five of kind of the locker room at least seemingly
equal in the eyes of TKO or in the eyes

(24:52):
of the parents of WWE. You know, because at the
end of the day, the things that they boost most
or the things that they talk about most, our social
media numbers, they're quarterlyes like these are the important goals
for WWE. It's it's no longer hey, we're trying to
make stone Cold the household name. It feels like more
it's Team WWE or nothing, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right, well, I mean it's people are going to always
be self serving and selfish. But I mean, okay, I
know Pat's in here. I wish Lou was in here too,
because this is an old wrestling saying. On the indies,
one of the things that they say to guys is
anytime you bring a girl in, it's going to be
a problem because she's going to more than likely end

(25:35):
up passing you. We're getting more attention than ye're blowing paths. Yea,
you know what I mean. A perfect example of that
is do you remember Velvet Sky's boyfriend when.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
She got into wrestling, Matt Hardy? No? Yeah, I mean neither.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I mean neither did and I'm at the kid
a dozen times.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh, because she was with Matt Hardy for a minute, right.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, But before the guy that got her in with
some any kid and fucking plether I remember them from
a million years ago. But like that's the kind of
shit that happens, is like these dudes bring their girlfriends
in to be managers or valets to come out with them,
and within two or three years it's like, I guess
she's what she doing? She's getting signed?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He and a sorry, yeah, goof corrected me. She was
with Shane Holmes, not the hardest, my bad, You're right, Yeah,
one of the old mega kids. Is that better? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
God, it's going to drive me nuts until I remember
it was some kid. His name was like a kid.
It was like one of those kid laser guys that
I wrote me out of, one of those guys, like
one of those goofs that you know, just like I said,
pleother shirt one hundred and fifty pounds, you know. But yeah,
that's it is like maybe that's the thought process to

(26:52):
some extent. But no, they're starting to gel with this
act and with Seth's being gone, we might be able
to see some people get something so fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, it was, like I said, it was a great
crust major match. They opened up the show with see
him Punk and his promo against gunther Man. This was
a you could fast forward this.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Seam Punk was out there and he was trying to
like gass up Gunther and say, oh, I'm not trying
to hear her talk shit about the Gunther. I think
you's a great mayam like, because that's how Seeampunk talks.
And Gunther came out and basically let the crowd run
him down the whole time. And that was an odd choice,
and he looked flustered, and again that was an odd choice,

(27:38):
cause I'm like, didn't you just murder the career of
Bill Goldberg? Like what fans say to you right now
shouldn't even fucking phase you at all. You just literally
killed a legend. And it was weird that he's letting
the crowd go. You tamped out, and it's like, why
why does Gunther care? I don't know. It was a

(28:00):
hot exchange between the two, but well, this is.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
One of those moments where you look at it and
you go, Okay, well it's a plug and play, it's
a filler. You know, well, we're gonna send a star
rout to open the show. Punk's a star, we know
this match is gonna happen with Gunther, so then we'll
send out Gunther and blah blah blah, aimless, kind of aimless.
And obviously, you know, you and I are you know,

(28:23):
we are enjoyers of the punk. We are enjoyers of
what punk does. But yeah, this was just hey guys,
everybody having a good night?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Oh right, right, I it's.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Starting to become just that. It's kind of it does
get a little redundant, you know, And Gunther did the
right things.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
He was trying to appeal to the other side of punk.
He's like, hey, we're both one and the same, which
is the villain thing to say, you know, but it's like, hey,
we're both one and the same. I'm here to make money,
you're here to make money and not friends. Like he
brought it back and see them Punk just kind of
wing Nah. Yeah, I just I don't know, it just
fell flat. And it's not because either guy did a

(29:04):
bad job at the promo. It's just there was really
nothing to say. They should have went in a completely
different direction, and I felt like Dunper was trying to
control it a little bit. But yeah, like you said,
Sampunk was out there just hitting the four corners. You know,
it's just tapping on the ropes. So I it was
what it was. Then we got to that point afterwards
where Naomi was doing the interview Finnivacor and Naomi. They

(29:27):
teased seeing them in France with Clash at Paris. What
do you think about this matchup, or at least the
idea of the matchup between Stephanie and Naomi.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I mean it'll be good. Yeah, they'll have a good match.
I mean that's really It's like at this point, they're
running so many shows that are you know pl E's right, Well,
look we're doing a special event, like I said, like
Bash and Bulgarian shit, like this is how they're doing
stuff now that if we're like, oh man, they're gonna

(30:01):
have a big marquee match, it's like, but is it though?
It kind of just is what it is. It's almost
a SmackDown some of these shows, you know what I mean,
where you just go cool, but that's it. Like Naomi
and Stephanie will have a good fucking match, and Naomi's
doing good work and Stephanie's getting over so you know,
sure we know that that's gonna be more than likely

(30:26):
as Stephanie loss. I don't know if that's gonna be
some sort of fuckery with Jade or whomever whatever. I'm
not so sure they want Stephanie to lose so quickly,
but it is. It is what the fuck it is
with these people.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Let's fast forward to that. Let's talk about that, because
Stephanie and EO had their match tonight, right, and that
was kind of like one of those last minute bookings.
I I really enjoyed the match, but it wasn't a
WWE match at all. It was not. It was very technical,
a lot of reverse souls, a lot of holes, a

(31:01):
lot of grappling. It was not a striker match. It
was not a high flying match. It wasn't a top
rope match. And don't get me wrong, there was a
little bit of everything else in there too. But I
was really surprised at the crowd in Houston ate it
up because there were points where it was dead quiet,

(31:22):
and I'm like, oh, this is horrible. Why is this
crowd not saying anything? And they're in the middle of
their lock up and then they would break the lock
or they'd separate or whatever, and then the crowd would
start cheering, and I'm like when did we go to Japan?
When the fuck did that happen? You know, it was
it was really wild to see that from a Houston audience.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
But people are now starting to be put into these
I guess you could call them weird positions, where five
years ago that's not what women's wrestling even look like.
Somebody could say, oh, well, you know, if you really
liked this one, you really liked Charlotte, you really like
Becky or what. But like you said, that wasn't still

(32:02):
like chain wrestling, right, They weren't rolling around other than
Matt and doing this shit. But hey, man, if it
still works and it gets a reaction, and you know,
obviously EO, there's no way, no way. I think that
either you or I could have predicted that EO was
going to be as popular as she's become. No, we
thought she was, you know, talented, gorgeous woman, but I

(32:27):
don't think we thought that this was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Puerto Rico smartened everybody up, honestly when it came to EO,
Like she had a fanfare and NXT, of course she did.
She had a fanfare from the Japanese fans, of course
she did. But when she was in Puerto Rico. I
think that's when a lot of people woke up to
how good Eo was. And ever since then, she's kind
of built herself up and she's endeared herself to the audience.

(32:52):
And you're now at this point where it's like, look,
I hate to say this, but Oscar feels like she's
getting a little bit passed by. There was that segment
that they had and I think it was before the match,
we're your Eel, Eero. Sorry. EO was trying to cheer
up Osca and Iri saying and kind of saying, oh yeah,
Oscar's gonna be the next tag team champion and they're

(33:15):
like yay, and Eel's gonna be the next world champion
and they're like yay. And I'm like, oh my god,
this is so Joshi stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
And I almost forgot about that. That was almost a
little too like I was like, all right, relax, relax.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's like we're all smelling our own farts here, guys,
got it, got it?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
You are my pretty friend. Yay. You're my pity friend too. Yay.
Oh girls, I love two out of three of you,
but you gotta stop. You are my friend. You are
pretty and cute.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh fucking I know, I'm stop.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I actually felt the goosebumps, the douche chills on my arm.
I'm like, come on, not you three, please stop.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I went the idea of of you watching it and
them doing it, and then they just being like, guys,
I have to I don't think I can defend this
some yay. They was like, what the fu who talks
like this? Girl? Stop?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I don't know, I don't know. It was so corny.
It was so fucking corny. But I mean, like, once again,
I'm sure the Joshi fans loved it, loved it. They
were squeezing the pillows extra tight at that moment, at
that segment.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Could you picture if they did the same exact segment
and they replace it with like, I I don't fucking know.
Not even the Judgment day guys, whomever just picked three
rares ronson.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, bron breaker and Halen Yah, you're.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Gonna win tonight, break her? Yeah? What's a prodi you pro?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Oh my god. But they're just so positive, just so positive,
and I'm just like, oh stop, nobody's a positive.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I hope the New Day next week does a joke
making fun of that.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I hope so New Day needs something so bad. But anyways,
before we get onto them though, too, we had the
Stephanie EO match which was interrupted the Secret Her Service
came down and interrupted the match, and then Chelsea got
involved and fucking shoved EO or no, no, that was
she got involved and she smacked THEO. But I think

(35:44):
it was later on when they got the up come up,
and so that's when Naomi popped up out of nowhere
and shoved EO and to Stephanie and got Stephanie outside
of the ring and they started to take control. And
Rio Ripley shows up looking like a complete badass again
she's just you and tells she's hyper focused in she
likes where she's at because she really comes out so

(36:05):
fucking dominant, Like we just had another case of the
women having an amazing match. You know this is this
is a repeat of the way I felt about the
Evolution card. And you got Rio Ripley coming out there
and honestly seeing Rio Ripley and EO standing there next
to Stephanie and I'm thinking, there's your female stable right there,

(36:29):
those three standing together. I'm like, man, I know that
they don't want another damage control. But if you're talking
about a fucking female powerhouse stable, there it is. You know.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well that was also that was a feeler moment. They
were like, all right, what do you think folks? Yeah,
that's what they were looking. They were, you know, sniffing
out a reaction. Okay, one of these things not like
the other, because I'm sure they know that, you know,
if the course really good, and they obviously trust her
to do a lot. The same time, it's like, okay, well,

(37:01):
who's the new meat in the situation. Do you guys
like to smell that? What do you think? You know?
But she'll be she'll be fine. And then yes, once again,
we ended up in another meeting between these two women
that was fucked up. So, I mean, it is what
it is. But this is also Tripoli Troub booking, so
you're gonna get what you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's just another teaser, like, Hey, did you guys really
like that? Actual rugbull rugbull.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Don't worry, We'll do it again in three weeks too.
Are you excited?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah? No, great, but yeah, no contest, I think didn't.
I'm up right, I did, Like, do you like the
fact that Chelsea is no longer an afterthought. They are
really trying to inject her into everything, which is the
right way to do this. And by the way, Elba fire,
I think real Ripley punched her in the face and
she went stiff legged and just fell like she didn't

(37:51):
look like she was protecting herself when she fell. She
just she kind of turned into an l and just
dropped stiff as a board. And I fucking laughed so
hard at that because it was it was comical. It
was like some world star shit, like when you knock
somebody out and they go stiff legged and the only
thing that's shaking is the left leg, like she was
doing that. I was like, oh, look at that all

(38:12):
the fire. Good for you. That looked great.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
You know she has good moments, but I mean that
that whole thing that the group with her and Chelsea,
it's like, I am the Piper. It's just it is
what it is. It's fucking it's goof troop.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, we got Shamus versus Miro versus Rusev. Sorry not Miro,
I got so calling him Russev again. Very different meat
on meat match. I enjoyed this. I thought it was fine.
I like the fact that you can tell that Seamus
and Russev are not afraid of each other. There was

(38:45):
a couple of shots there, suplexes and stuff that I
was like, oh, that was extra bouncy, hit a little harder,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, well that's it is, Like we now have forty
four to forty five year old shame As doing his
best work. Miro's got to be forty one around them,
I'm assuming, and he looks fucking ripped up. And I
have this feeling that they have these two guys and
they're going, all right, well, I mean, they're gonna have

(39:16):
good matches against each other for a while and you know,
we'll just but but they don't really have like a
what do we do after this? You know? All right,
so Miro and Seamous are gonna have these awesome fucking,
you know, knockdown, drag out brawls, All right, cool? Then
what are you gonna do when that's all we are
you gonna do with Seamus? Like little hat? We have

(39:38):
a hat for him?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You know, you're wrong. They've been building up this few though,
and I mean they were smart about this feud, talking
about their friendship when they opened it up and how
they were friends and when Russel was gone and when
Shamus was hurt, neither did shit for the other. Like,
it's pretty much a good friendship gone bad. That's what
the story is, right, So I can almost feel like

(40:02):
it's in the same vein of a Sammy and Kevin Owens.
I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of this
feud they become a tag team. Honestly, No, you're not wrong.
I could see them eventually doing that. But miss, I
wonder how much of that is because ah, that's what
we planned, or they're like, yeah, we don't know what
to do with these guys because they just don't have ideas.

(40:26):
I mean, some of these matches, you see some of
the shit they throw together, I'm going, you know, cool,
that's a fun match obviously, right, we want to see
these stupid guys beat the shit out of each other.
But what are we doing after that? There's no real
feeling of like, are you planting the seed of someone
else being involved? Right?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And somebody gonna chase a title is shameless? Now are
we supposed to just accept the fact that he's at
the point where he's the guy that comes in and
is kind of the you know, oh the Vet, the
brooding brawler guy that just kind of kicks people around,
but he's never gonna win any thing. Hmm. I don't know,
Like I don't expect everybody on the card to have

(41:07):
a perfect like it is perfectly laid out. We have
an exact plan for them, we know everything. But sometimes
I keep seeing the same guys have matches over and
over again. But what's next? What are we doing after this?
Where are these guys going?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That's why I said I think it's going to be
revolved around their friendship for a while. I think it
would actually be a smart move of putting Shamus in
a tag team with Russev for a bit. I think
they're a powerhouse tag team. I think you can have
fun with that and then eventually down the line, maybe
one of them splits, maybe Shamus goes after that US title. Like,
there's a lot of other choices that you can go

(41:42):
down the road, but I think you you lean into
the friendship stuff. I think that they should cut a
couple more promos talking about how they feel. Like the
other one was, you know they're they're vindictive, you know
they were a bad friend. I think that's the story
you tell. It's the one that's believable. We know that
they've been around in WWE forever, and even people that

(42:04):
didn't follow aw knew that Miro went there, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
So yeah, I have this feeling where and I don't
think that this is going to happen, but it would
be a nice idea to where obviously domin aj styles
are going to have that match of SummerSlam. Still ninety
eight percent sure that Dom's going to keep the belt
because yeah, right, well.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
That was fun too, Like I mean, moving on from
that match with Seamus Defeata Russev with that fucking bro
kick from hell and then stop the schallee use blah
blah blah.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Which I thought that that finish. Okay, it's funny you
mentioned that because it almost got past me. But that finish,
I thought they were going to pull a little fuckery
where Seamus beats him and pins him with the kick,
but then the referee looks over and sees the challee yeah,
and thinks Seamus hit him with it, and they go
from there because it was just sort of like the

(43:01):
placement of the gimmick where Seamus didn't like it didn't
fly out of the ring or nothing. You could still
see it. So I'm going, Oh, are they gonna go
with you? And then nah, kind of flat but hostly
you're speaking of the damp thing. I know we'll go
to the next thing. But I think that it would
be interesting to have you know, him fucking beat Aga

(43:22):
and SummerSlam Seamus then challenge him for it. It become
a three way, and then Russef pins Dom to take it.
So it's I go, Russef, this is the one thing
Seamus has wanted more than anything. Rusef fucking takes it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
That'd be great, and that also fuels the feud even further.
Like I said, they just have them friends, have them
as former friends and now enemies. I think that's the
storyline you can tell for a long time because everything
could be tied. And you're right, they could be a
tag team. They could win gold together. One of them
fucks up and loses the tag team goal because they
weren't there. They fucked up, and that causes friction. Or

(44:00):
like you said, Russev gets the belt and now Shamus
wants it because it's the one thing that he can't
get and Russo's like, fuck you, I got it before
you did. Like, I mean, there's there's a lot of
you're saying that there's no ideas, but I really think
there's no pun intended. A lot of meat on this bone.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I think, Oh, I think there is. I just I'm
not seeing them planting those seeds, so I'm hoping they do.
But it's not it's not showing. You know, we have
a good idea here, we have a big plane, and
it's just let's hope, let's hope they come up with something.
But yeah, No, the match itself was good. In the

(44:35):
finish was fine, just a little little wonky, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Adam Pierce was in rare form tonight on Monday Night Raw.
I thought he was once again. They were focused on him,
and he was loud and he was angry and he
was pissed off at Dominic all night. And it was
a lot of fun with the many faces of Aj
Styles continuing as the janitor, as the guy in the back,
like he's just constantly switching. It's it's funny. AJ Styles

(45:01):
is a great comedy character when he wants to be.
And Adam Piers is a great general manager. He really is.
He does a fantastic job. So I like him in
that role. But obviously the big story that they were
trying to tell was is dumb medically cleared? And so
Adam Pierce finally gave him the moment's notice. He said, look,
you either fight tonight or you lose the title we

(45:24):
strip you of it tonight, or you go and you
get your fucking balls jiggled by the medical you know,
practitioner over here, and we see if you're cleared or not.
And so he goes and he gets balls jiggled, and
the doctor comes out with some paperwork. He looked like
somebody Do I know him? Who was the medical guy?
He looks like I've seen him before.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, he did look familiar.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
He's obviously a wrestler, was he. That's not Chewy? That
was chewy? It was like two hundred pounds less. Oh okay,
all right, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, No, it was probably just somebody that they use
on the show before, likely some extra, you know. But
I kept looking at him. I'm like, who the fuck
is this guy?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I almost thought him like is he a TV guy,
like a TV doctor or something. I didn't know. But
he comes out and he's like, oh, he got paperwork
that's gotta get filled. Everybody sounds like that. In Houston,
He's like, we got paperwork, and and fucking AJ Styles
is pissed off. He's like, Jesus Christ, you gotta wait
even longer. And Adam Pearce is like, we'll get the
paperwork filled out, and Dominic's surprise attacks AJ from the

(46:29):
back and Adam Pierce tells me go go get the
fuck out of here, and Dominic's like, I'll see you
what SummerSlam, bitch? And yeah, that was great.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I gotta say though, the thing with AJ later on
in the night too, then pretending to be the doctor.
I'm just sitting there, I'm saying to myself and going, oh,
are we gonna make Aj Styles into our trus now?
Is that the plan?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, No, that's okay yo, that's not even payg y'all,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
The guys are gonna love it? Oh sorry?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh no, But like it is interesting to me how
you see that happen where WWE just has these archetypes.
And I said this years ago when they used to
have like the Randy Yorton to John Cena, they would
just have these people where they just plug and play
and they're like, I'm sorry, these are the five characters
we can write for and that's it. And it does

(47:25):
almost feel a little bit like that for Aj, but
I think it's because he's been a serious enough guy
for so long. Yeah, and Dom is such a goof.
They're like him, sort of messing with him and fucking
with him. You're getting the intended reaction instead of saying, oh,
Aj Siles, this is so embarrassing for you or something,

(47:45):
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So let me talk about this, or actually let me
let you talk about this. The Lyra of Valkyria Bailey
stuff and the Becky Lynch promo, so the Lyravlkeyria Bailey
stuff was Bailey kind of popped up out of nowhere

(48:10):
said hey, we're gonna go for the Tag Team Championships
like we were, you know, supposed to a WrestleMania, et cetera,
et cetera. And then Lyra was like, I just beat
your ass last week? What the fuck are you doing you?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Was such a weird line. Yeah, that was so weird.
The whole thing was odd, and I and I know
that the commentators kept saying.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
What's wrong with Bailey? She feels so different tonight, almost
like she's gonna go bad. And I'm like, I mean, thanks, Mike,
thank Horrer. It's just I got it, Like, but I
just didn't understand why out of nowhere, what did you think?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Seriously, I just don't. I don't get why this lyrasing continues,
just won't stop, it won't stop. The girl is not over,
she's boring. It's very very Bland and Bailey at this point,
because Becky, all right, I'll take him one at a time.

(49:11):
Bird girl, like I said, just there's no there's no
need for her to be on the show. I don't
get it. She's getting something resembling a reaction like she
did last week. She got a decent pop for that match,
but it was like, yeah, it was a long match
and it was good, but it's just this whole thing's
never gonna work with her. Bailey Bailey doing the weird

(49:35):
passive aggressive she was just doing what Finn Baylor does.
I'm like, what are we Who's it's just the same shit,
Like I'm like, we're just Dragon dropping ideas onto different
people on the same show, but did the same character.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I don't know, different brand, Like it's just the same brand,
within the same power.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
On the same out Yeah. Yeah, So she's just doing
the thing that Finn ballor does, but with Tigo Biddy's
is that the thing? Like it's like, oh it's Finn
Bala Jigo biddies. That's the only difference. I don't understand that.
And then Becky, Becky has these moments where she does
shit where I go, ah, okay, she's she's a lot

(50:21):
more attuned and a lot more plugged in and pays
attention obviously to what the Internet is saying about her
and what people are. You know, baby, you know Becky.
She came out last night in the red with the
yellow armband and I go, oh, Becky Hogan. Yeah, she's listening.
She's listening, you know, And she runs through her whole

(50:43):
spiel and I'm like, okay, like I want I want
to try to find a place with Becky where I
remember who she was five six years ago. And then
it just gets once again farted back onto because out
comes the bird girl, and I'm going, fuck, They're just
gonna give her the belt again, aren't they. That's what

(51:05):
they're gonna do. They're gonna have this long month on
month on months with Bailey and Becky and it's Bailey
gonna turn? Is bird Girl gonna turn? What's going on?
And it's gonna all end up with fucking bird Girl
getting the belt again and then more than likely Bailey
jumping or beating her up. And then we turned Bailey

(51:26):
heel and then it's Bailey and Pecky and it's just like, eugh,
all this to get over a girl that people don't
care about. It's so much work for I don't know
what the payoff is. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Want's the payoff? That's what they want. They want people
to get invested in Lyra. I think that's why her
promos have kind of ramped up. She's become more of
the aggressor. I don't understand what they're doing with Bailey.
I mean, you're right, it feels like she's just rehashing
Finn stuff. But I guess the end goal is to
try and make Lyra look better. And and Becky's supposed

(52:03):
to be the antagonist, but she hasn't been anything near
as much you know, of an antagonist as she was
years ago. I don't feel like this is going to
do anything but end up with Becky and Bailey with
egg on their face and Lyra being pushed into a
position that she can't hold for long. It's almost as

(52:24):
if they're so invested in Lyra becoming the next Ahmed
Johnson or something that's when she is man like sugo.
I really don't get they want Lyra to be a
six foot eight black man so badly, they really do.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I wish she was. I'd be more interested at this point.
I'd be like, oh cool, I understand why we're mercilessly
pushing this girl. I don't understand. I don't get how
we're on the show where you know, we started out
talking about Scarlet, right, and I get it. I'm sure

(53:05):
Scarlet in the ring is not as good as Lyra.
I'm just gonna guess because Lyra's competent. She's fine, she
does decent work. And Scarlet, I'm not sure she's wrestled
a match in this decade. I don't even know the
last time that she stepped in the ring and fucking
took a bump. Right, But like you see certain people
and you go, okay, I understand why we get we

(53:28):
get the machine behind them, you know, Like we love Jake,
we love Jay, Jay's got to get pushed forever. Yeah,
because if you send Jay to go sign autograph somewhere,
she stands up to shake somebody's hand and they go,
whoa fuck? You know you sent Bianca out to go
meet people? Whoa? Look at this woman. She's beautiful and strong,

(53:52):
and like I was saying, you send Lyra.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Hey, she's got nice wings. Guys, huh look at it.
Look at those wings.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
She's just we get like, we all understand why certain things.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Well, how about let's how about how about this? How
about we point out the fact that her big gimmick
when she first came out was she was Irish? Right, Like,
who thought that that was the greatest gimmick to give her?
I just and then I was like, oh, she's not
just irish. She's Irish and she's a bird.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Uh oh perfect, my favorite.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Right, Like it's the ideas behind it. I think she
needs to turn the valkyrie shit around a little bit.
I do. I think she should turn a little more sexual.
I mean there's there's people into what is it, cat women?
Cat girls? Right? Why not a bird girl? Right? I
don't know, like they need to do something because this

(54:54):
this consonance Ahmed Johnson meets Bob Beckland type character is
not really working for anyone.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Now percents anthrocon. We're just making all the wrestlers into
fucking furries. It's just can't get over your animal, that's
what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Not my favorite, She's not my favorite, and I just
look forward to the day when she kind of gets
pushed to the back or she would rediscovers herself. Look,
I'm not gonna paint that out of the wheelhouse either.
We've seen people like Live turn it around out of
fucking nowhere overnight and do a fantastic job and can
consistently learn from where she was. Maybe Lyra needs this.

(55:37):
Maybe Lyra needs to go out there and suck for
this long with the machine pushing her, so that when
the machine finally stops and she's left in the middle
of the ocean, she has to learn how to sink
or swim.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
You know, can we just call her what she really is,
Nicki Cross with less personality, That's what she is. It's like,
do you think they would push Nicki Cross mercilessly?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
For a year and a half did and they put
her in a superhero costume, and we all hated it.
It was awful.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Oh miss, she didn't get treated as good as Bird Girl.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
My god, they thought she was rosy and I was like,
well kind of.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, I'm more like super Eugene. No, dude, it was
really it was really just I'm watching this and I'm
going how many more months are we gonna do the
same fucking thing? How much longer is this gonna go
on for? And I don't know who backstage is just
madly in love with this girl, but it's never going

(56:38):
to work. I'm gonna I'm gonna put a stam Miss,
I'm gonna put a stamp down on this. And I
have no problem emitting when I'm wrong, but I will
say this is never going to work. Fair enough, She'll
never be a big star. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Well, speaking of things that aren't going to happen, the
lw O defeated the Creed brother in the New Day.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
The l w well, you know what, the l w
O got a good reaction. Now for some reason, it's
almost like they were in Texas. Odd you sure it wasn't. Yeah, Well,
they're like the l w O was a little.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Warm, Joe, I need a little ice in it. I
don't I don't know, man, I was just very warm
in Houston.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yet this match was also fine, that this this was
what it was. I think the Creed guys are also
in that same category as the bird girl. Where we go,
it would be nice, it'd be nice, wouldn't it. But
there's just like, what's the tall one's name, Austin or
number two, number two, number two, there's just chuck, this

(57:46):
chubby and then there's tall.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Skin, there's large, and then they're small. Right, So.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Julius, I'm sure a guy named Julius is going to
become a big star. Yeah, Julius, and he just once
again looks like a CPA. There's just nothing, there's nothing there.
I would put the LWO guys over because at least
they look like wrestlers and they're invested and involved. You know,
they're not winning anything, they're not going to go actually

(58:12):
win the fucking titles. But you have something more with
that than the American snoozy boys over there and the
New Day are just there to fucking lose, now, I
guess so. But the match itself was fine. I don't know,
what did you think?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I literally fast forward through it. I really didn't care.
I mean as far as paying attention to the show,
I paid attention, and when the fucking tag team match
came out, I could care less. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I don't blame me.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I have New Day would be my favorites to win this,
but the New Day haven't been the New Day since
Biggie's been gone. And I'm sorry. I know that's awful
to say, because it's not anybody's fault, but I know
Xavier Woods tries, and actually some of their backstage stuff
is pretty funny. It's just in the ring they're unexciting.
They're exciting, which is weird because KOFE was usually the

(59:03):
guy that really ramped up their matches together. So I
don't know what they lost as far as in the ring,
but in the ring I snoozed through their matches. Now
it's crazy. I still think Xavier Woods is a promo powerhouse.
His face is his reactions to thing things. It's hilarious.

(59:25):
He carries himself very well like he is. JA.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
They made a mistake not splitting them. Let's let's call
it what it is, but they made a mistake. I
don't think should as well as a single star that's
the problem in the ring.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I wouldn't believe them, like I'm almost at this point
that would he be better as a manager.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Austin I'm a coming of Austin Creed. Oh my god, No,
I mean yeah, now Kofe's God damn. I hate saying
this because coch once again. Yeah, I feel bad saying Kofe.
It's it's done, It's not kofee can. He's got to
move on right And I love Kofe and once again

(01:00:05):
Massachusetts guy, you know, a stand up for him to
the end, never been a problem, seems like a wonderful human.
But it's fucking done. And the Xavier Woods at least
has the personality I think he could do a little.
He could be a guy that loses in the fucking
second match. KOFE is like a perfect white meat babyface

(01:00:26):
that has now been white meat babyfacing for fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
And Xavier Woods. Did I call him Austin Creed? Did
I really?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I called him Austin Creed?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Oh okay, I don't know. I sorry my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Would Xavier Woods be a better manager at this point though, too,
because he's a good talker, He's got a good vibe
to him. I don't know else to put it. Like,
he's a talented guy, it's just out in the ring,
the flash. The flash guys between the team were always
Biggie and Kofe. Those are the guys that you wanted
to see the feud with the match with. I don't know.

(01:01:03):
It's a weird thing when you lose one of the
three gears, with one of the three elements that make
you a great tag team or a great stable. And
I don't think they've found themselves in all this time,
and I don't think they ever will, honestly, So I'm
sorry I didn't really pay the tag team match much ado,

(01:01:24):
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So now I think that this would be one of
those situations where and they're not gonna do it. They're
going to keep them together as an act because I'm
sure they still do what they need to. They're serviceable,
their matches are still good, they're not embarrassing themselves out there.
It's nothing like that. It's not meant to completely run
them down. But I would have KOFE to them, So

(01:01:45):
I would send Kofe to go do t and a
work work in NXT, do that kind of shit, and
I would say you know, to Woods should or get
off the pot, man, Like, you can be a guy here.
We can do something with you. You can work, you
can cut promos, you can be a sniveling shit will.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
He is fucking quick. That's why it's like, I don't
know why they can't get any rhythm going. It's just
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
It's it's a shame. But you know, And now it's
the lw O. The LWO is gonna have a little
little shot at it. I'm assuming that they're gonna probably
have Ray come out sure stand at ringside, even though
he's currently hurt, you know, but they'll do something with that.
But yeah, now, dude, it was fine. I'm not gonna
sit there and say, man, you missed out, you better
go back. But it was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
We also had that little moment on the show too
with Kaiser coming out as El Grande Americano and Dragon
Lee kind of starting ship with him. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Hey, he's got he has some good Spanish, aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You with a German accent? It is wild. He is
he is a talented guy. Because if he's doing that
on purpose and he can speak Latin in a Latin accent,
I would be impressed. But the fact that he sprinkles
in the from the German side, I was like, wow,
that is great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
What a reminder that we aren't taught shit huher Mexicans.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yes, Oki, he was speaking ger Mexican.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Oh, I like it. So that's like, just what that's
just a sausage. Sausage in Mexico. No, Mexicans got good charizo.
What ELSEO a beer, big giant? Just make the beer giant,
I guess giant coronas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
You gotta drink all the beers out of a boot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Giant giant beers. No, he he did good at this.
That was funny. Who said in the chad They were like, yeah,
Dragonly kind of came off like a dildo there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah, you are making fun of my people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah. It's like but he's kind of sitting there speaking
in Spanish and trying right, you know what I mean. Like,
it's not like he was sitting there being like, oh
see burrito taco. Like he wasn't really doing much shitty.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Dragonly is one of those guys escorting all the Americans
out of Mexico. That's what he is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
That was weird, But I don't know. Kai just getting
on TV so good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, no, for sure, and I love that they're keeping
it going. I just wanted to throw that out there.
It was a throwaway segment, but it was just kind
of like, hey, don't forget about El Grande Americano. And
I almost feel like the thing that we talked about
a couple weeks back about Chad Gable coming back as
a super baby face as El Grande Americano, it just

(01:04:29):
feels like it's starting to align up right because the
way Kaiser's treating the character's a complete villain right El
Grande Americano when Chad Gable was doing it, if you
look at the history of it, which is not very far,
but Chad Gable went to some prominent lucha libre who
taught him the ins and outs of how to be

(01:04:50):
a lucha libre star. And I think you can go
even deeper with that and almost have it like at
a point where Chad Gable learned to appreciate the Mexican
people and he learned to appreciate lucha libre style. And
even though El Grande Americana was kind of created as
a goof maybe he turned it around in his head
when he saw Kaiser ruining the good name of El Gronde,

(01:05:13):
you know what I mean. Like, I just I keep
seeing these shades in there, and I'm like, oh, this
is great. Kaiser's a punk, you know, Chad's gonna go
I have to go out there and straighten him out,
and I'm like, I want to see this. I want
to see this when he makes his return.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
So I wonder if they could try to plug in
some sort of story there, like, like you said, there's
some sort of Chad Chad redemption arc, Like it's like, well,
he's hurt, they want him to go and do something
for Triple A or something.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Well, they could get out Big Luca, Like how cool
would it be if it was fucking Conan behind the
scenes that was training Chad Gable to be a lucha
you know, or even crazier more of an arc if
it was Ray Mysterio doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Oh yeah, right right. Ray was like I'm just trying
to like raise such a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
He's helping the bad guys, he's helping their hudos.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yes, he's so nice to fucking he's pulling a Sammy's aim,
too nice for his own good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah, He's like, hello, I am an asshole, but I
want can you teach me something? And Ray's like, okay,
I guess I help you out. You're like, no, Ray,
don't help him out. He's a piece of ship. He's like, hey, no,
he's a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
He wants to learn our culture.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
He just wants to learn. That's all. You like, No, no,
Rays bad? Oh man? No? But yeah, somebody just put
up there too. Yeah, they're rolling with their doing the
Grande Americano thing in Mexico. He got octagon, yeah Jesus
all right. Good Yeah, good for Kaiser. A lot of
cross for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
A lot of crossover with w W. Lately. You had
that g C. Jane match against Masha a TNA Slammiversary,
which is good. The Indie Heartwell I was actually excited
for the Indie Heartwell and Tessa match. But Tessa's ready,
but I don't know what indy is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Andy's kind of got two left feet. Looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, she talks well too. I kind of enjoy your promo.
It's very down to earth girl kind of vibe, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
But she's got everything going for her. But the in
ring shit, it's rough, you know. That's a that's a
that is a tough hand to be dealt when you're
you know, ninety percent of the way there, except that
ten percent is actually being able to functionally perform the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
She almost feels like she's just too tall for her
own goods sometimes because it always feels like everything is
just out of reach for her. Something I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Know, but well, she's got well, miss, she's got long
arms and long legs, and she's less you know, wrestling
girls the size of Selina Vegel all the time. Yeah, no, shit, yeah, yeah,
she's trying to walk up with girls that are five
foot two and she's six feet tall.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
And then go, well, we got Bailey and Lyra versus
the judgment day obviously Bailey and Lyra now tagging up
for the shout out the championship with Dominic Mysterio by
behind Roxanne, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Match was fine, Okay, I like you know what I
will say as far as the characters go, Roxane and
Raquel are starting to grow on me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Raquel is starting to take her dominant physical role. Seriously,
we talked about it that Kevin Nash, you know, basically
said why she working like a little person when she's
a big woman. And Raquel seemed to take that to heart.
And I mean besides evolution and besides the last couple
of weeks, but more so even last night she was

(01:08:44):
performing in the ring as a big person, she carried
herself like more of a monster. So it wasn't just
being able to work in the ring as a big person.
Now she has that dominant attitude, She has that mean
streak that kind of comes with what you expect these
mammoth people to have. And I kind of liked that.
And Rock Sanne, on the other hand, is doing a

(01:09:05):
fantastic job of just seeming clueless and lost sometimes. And
she's always in pain. She's she is always in pain.
Rock is perpetually on fire, and not in a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Ow right, No, I would say right now, my biggest
gripe with Raquel is that she needs to be a
little bit more vocal in the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
That to me is like, cause if you notice the
best big men, I mean, I didn't watch enough of
the big women of like, you know, Japan in the
eighties and shit, but like the best big men that
I can remember, when they're doing shit, it's loud, oh yeah, vocal,
you know what I mean? Like you're throwing a punch,
like you're fucking laying it in, you're hitting somebody, you're yelling,

(01:09:56):
you're screaming, you're fucking you know, if you're giving someone
to power lambers, fuckers, get over here, you fuck her. Like,
she's still kind of very quiet, right because you can
tell she's thinking, she's thinking too much. She's still kind
of going through the motions, and she's getting a little
bit more comfortable. But that, I think is the point
when you see somebody when they've really are relaxed, and

(01:10:20):
especially when you're supposed to be playing a character where
you're a big, intimidating, tough person. Fucking get over here,
you fucking son of a bitch. It's funny because bron
Breaker does that, but he's still not fully good to her.
It's like he picked up on that part of it,
but you're like, oh, he's still kind of lost. It's

(01:10:40):
a shame because you're like, I don't want him to
lose that personality, but I also think he needs to
get a little bit better and a little bit more
comfortable before he lets that out. But Kel means a
little bit more of that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Well, if Rakel continues the way she's going By next month,
she's going to have that all down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Pat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I really think she's embracing this big man style, you know.
And it looked good. It looked good on Monday, and
I like, I like Roxanne come, you know, basically being
I'm hurt all the time person. I think that's great.
It works for her.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
How big of? And this is what I said earlier
in the show, This is where I thought this match
being booked in this way was a mistake. Bailey is
obviously a good baby face heel, maybe kind of sort
of bird girl. I don't need to explain that. Yeah, well,
dry chicken. And then you send out a hometown girl

(01:11:29):
another Tina and Dom and like the crowd's getting into them,
and I'm like, well, yeah, what did you think was
going to happen in the situation. You sent out rox Anne,
who's quite literally from Houston, if I remember correctly, she
trained at Bookerchi School, Raquel, a girl named Requel Rodriguez,
right and fucking Raymastereo's kid. And they're like, oh, well,

(01:11:52):
I mean I guess they're getting a positive yeah duh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Well they did make up for it in a weird way,
because obviously They had Becky come down there, which the
crowd liked, and she took out or didn't like, but
took out Liar and reacted to that. Obviously AJ fucking
her out Dominic they liked that too, so I mean
they kind of evened it out. I know what you're saying,
but people want AJ to beat the shit out Dominic,
even though everybody loves Dominic. I think Aj is one

(01:12:19):
of those guys that when he beats Dominic. If he
beats Dominic, you know it's gonna be one of those
fun matches that people will enjoy no matter what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
You know, Well that would I guess that would be
it if I had two things that I didn't like
about the match. Was, like I said, Riquel needs to
be a little bit more vocal. And secondly, it should
have gotten to where it went faster. Yea, because it
wasn't bad, but you put people in a position where
it's like, Okay, they's supposed to be this tension with
bird Girl and Bailey that should have been bubbling up quicker. Okay,

(01:12:51):
we got dom out there and he's getting a good
reaction as a babyface even though he's a heel and
he got a hometown girl and once again another Latina,
so obviously they're more into them than they are into
fucking boring Chicken Girl and fucking Bailey. They should have
rushed that along. It should have happened a little bit faster.
But other than that, yeah, I mean, the players involved

(01:13:11):
in it, at least on the judgment day side, are
doing a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Zane vision Chat says Roxy is from the other side
of Texas, but yeah, look, I think it was Corey
Graves that actually addressed that, and he made the comparison
to Canada, like how they're in Toronto. Oh, you're right,
Wrestlers from Calgary, you know, are still cheered as Canadians
even though they're from the other side of Canada. And

(01:13:35):
I'm like, oh, that's a great Once again Corey Graves
doing the job, connecting the dots for everyone and pretty
much painting it is it's Texas's fault for being Texas.
And I was like, oh, okay, I'm okay with that
up here in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
But didn't she she trained And yeah, I'm not saying
that I'm wrong, Like I'm not going to be like, oh,
I'm a Roxan historian, but I think she was screamed
with Booker there, Yeah she did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
But what I'm saying is I think that that was
him connecting the dots that the reason that they're getting
these positive cheers is because, oh, it's Texas, and everybody
from Texas is part of Texas as opposed to more
localized areas. Right, So I would assume that people from Buffalo,
New York don't automatically cheer the New York City Brooklyn
guy because he's from Brooklyn, you know what I mean.

(01:14:22):
But in Texas, I guess if you're from Houston or
Dallas or wherever, it doesn't matter because you're all a
Texan to them. And I think that was the story
he was trying to tell by saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Hey, we all know that John Sene is not really
from Boston. What we still share Beantown zone. Dude. It
is so funny, how not Boston he's from. Like it's
if you see his hometown. Like I was up there
the other day. What was I doing. Oh, I was
heading up to Maine to my buddy's house. And you

(01:14:55):
drive by John Ceen's hometown, You're like, it's hilarious the
thing that people, Oh yeah, he's just he's like one
of the Wildbergs. I'm like, yeah, and now he's like
a Wallburgers in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
But that's Massachusetts is pretty small. Yes, really, I mean
when you're saying that about Texas, you know what I mean? Nah,
it's sure.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, Well that's like even when people would say, remember
the Goofball, the guy from Stained Aaron Lewis and his
whole you know, peper frog shit we made about and everything,
people would be like, yeah, he's uh, he's from Boston.
I'd be like, Okay, no, no, he's he's closer to
upstate New York where he's actually from, and him pretending

(01:15:41):
like he's from the country is also embarrassing. But yes,
Massachusetts compared to like a lot of states is teeny tiny, right,
But still, like you do end up in this point where, yes,
I'm sure the Texans they would rather cheer for a
girl who is of Mexican descent that's from Texas than
bird girl from.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Fright of Hours. Of course, I was just I just
thought it was an interesting segue from Corey. But let's
get to the main event, I guess, which was the
Roman Reigns promo where Paul Hayman and bron Breaker and
Bronson Reed came out there and they were in the
ring and Paul started addressing the crowd, and the crowd
was all over him. They wouldn't let him really talk.

(01:16:24):
And then Roman shows up right when he was about
to get things off his chest, and so and Paul Man.
I fucking loved Paul Muddy. He was in rare form.
He was so snively, so full as shit. You could
not love Paul anymore. He went through all the motions

(01:16:44):
like he was talking about, Hey, you know we lost Seth,
why don't you come back and we'll start a new bloodline.
Except now you've got real wrestlers like Bronson Reed and
bron Breaker, and it's like and he's not saying a word,
he's not saying anything, and he's living him go through
his stick. And then Roman just kind of stops and
he's making the faces the weird Roman would you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
And that really is what Roman does, except you're adding
more to it because he's just it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Listen man. Roman is obviously the star of the Show's
there's no denying it. At this point. The reaction that
he got for him coming back I'm like, yeah, nobody's
fucking touching that. It is what it is, you know,
but that doesn't change the fact that the guy is
fucking muted.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Still corny, dude. His last line, and I'm not trying
to skip too far ahead, but the very last line
is like, oh, I do hear a thing that you said?
That trash here? Why didn't you use my mic? Yours
apparently doesn't work? And then he watches them and I'm like,
that was the most convoluted cornball shit. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
That was some big That was some big dog. Ah.
I'm like, oh, dude, I hope you're crutch for being
a babyface that you know is supposed to be big time.
Mister Over isn't knock knock joke level bullshit. It was
so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
But he gets a hold of the mic and you know,
he does the whole I haven't said this, Excuse me,
I gotta say something first. Uh, Houston acknowledge me, And
fucking Paul Haman is the first one to throw up
his finger, and I fucking loved it. Paul Hayman is hilarious.

(01:18:38):
He is fucking hilarious because even Roman.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Was like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Making the fucking faces of Paul for doing that, and
I'm like, this is great. Paul's pretending that they their
friendship is fine and what it was. And then they
had the back and forth where Roman was defending himself saying,
I'm not the one that broke up the bloodline. This
fucking ate it was, I mean, it was. It was
a good point. It was a good rebuttal from Roman
because he wasn't being cheesy or silly like he was

(01:19:07):
to punch bron Breaker. But and bron Breakers starts stepping up,
and this is where it was at this point that
I felt like the promo was kind of breaking down, right,
So Roman had his piece against Paul Hayman, called him
a fucking idiot, and then bron Breaker, you know, ran
to the skirt of Paul Hayman trying to defend him.
And then bron Breaker started talking about old old dog

(01:19:30):
Roman reigns yesterday's news Roman reigns, and it felt like
it was a paint by numbers promo I've heard a
hundred times before.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah, it was. That was not great. Also, they desperately
have to figure out something for bron with the hair.
The state police officer look is not good. It's just
not like and then if that's it in here me
being like, it's the most damning thing of you know,
he's going to never be able to but yesterday in

(01:20:01):
the ring just even to that extent to where as
someone who doesn't even really care for Roman for you know,
many many reasons. But I'm sitting there and I'm looking,
I'm going, all right, Hayman, Hayman's got the little shitty
fucking you know, crazy old man heel, you know, big
fat belly frog chin you got read over there, and

(01:20:24):
he's all damp and fucking looking all shiny and shit.
And you have Roman, who's mister big guy. And then,
like I said, you just look like an angry state
police officer. That's what he's just. He looks like a cop.
I thought that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
I thought that was intentional, honestly, Honestly, if they wanted
to turn bron Breaker into a fucking swat vest wearing top, honestly,
he would look better in the shield gear than any
of the other guys did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Maybe he's kind of big boss man, Maybe doesn't oh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Kind of part time big boss man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, somewhat, Yeah, sometimes part time big boss man of
portially retired motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I don't know, man, you're You're not wrong. He does
kind of have that, you know what, I may have
the connections in the FBI, just saying, just saying, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Can't tell with him sometimes, and it's something you gotta
figure out something with him, just because occasionally it's the
goof vibe. You get to, oh, he's silly and he
kind of reminds me of it's like his uncle of course.
And then other times I see, like I said, and
it's just like uptight asshole, you know, towny cop that

(01:21:44):
you see at the bar Thanksgiving and he's just been
a dick for fucking thirty years. Like it's just I
don't know. They got to figure out a little something
with him. But you're right in that moment where Roman,
who's not exactly known for his promos, really kind of
made him look I'm maturish, Yeah, in that moment, because
like you, I'm gonna be the next thing you were

(01:22:06):
the old hat. No one think Meanwhile, everybody there is like, man,
we just saw this guy come out get treated like
fucking Christ on the cross, right, you know it should
be more along the lines of yeah, right right now,
you could come in here, and you could be the
tribal chief and you could be the big dog, and

(01:22:28):
these dumb ass people in a place like Houston might
love you. But you know, it's not gonna be long
now until they're going to be barking from me and fucking,
you know, sticking their fingers in their fucking nose when
you come out or something. But whatever, you know. But yeah,
it was a little a little flat, but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
It was what it was. Roman handed him a microphone
to confuse him, then punched him and knocked them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Out, which also made him look stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
It's just way very dumb, very dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Why did he literally I could have been say, hey,
you got something on your shirt?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yeah? Why didn't he just turn around and go you
heard me? Just fine? That would and the whole Roman
We're like, no, no, really, there was something wrong with
the microphone. Hero, don't you want the microphone? Hold the
microphone for a second. That would have been great. That
it was God, that was literally the chance where bron
Breaker could have embarrassed Roman Reigns and literally taking the

(01:23:24):
reins of that promo away from Roman and made him
look foolish. And he just said.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Okay, I'll catch, I'll catch. Apparently my microphone's broken, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I didn't know that I couldn't hear myself in the arena.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
And by the way, that is another one of those
things where you look at it and you go, can
we all agree that if that was a if that
was somebody that the crowd at this moment was not
predisposed to, like, you know, let's call our Charlotte Flair,
they would say, Oh, you kind of hung him out
to dry there a little bit, didn't You kind of
made him look stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Yeah, but if that was a different vibe, you're you're right,
But I think you know what, save that Paul Hayman.
Paul Hayman say the whole fucking segment. Let's be honest,
Paul Hayman coming out there and getting everybody on their feet,
everybody cheering. You know, you're a sellout and asshole and
this and that, Like, Paul Hayman was the focus of this,
and as he should as the manager of these two guys,

(01:24:22):
as the guy who's molding Bronson Red and Brown Breaker.
It was good. It was good. It was Paul Paul
Hayman obviously knows what the fuck he's doing, knows how
to control the show. And I think even though bron
Breaker and Roman Reigns were not giving us their best
I still remember the Paul Hayman part of it. I
still remember Paul Hayman throwing up the ones and I

(01:24:42):
was like, that's what I'll remember about this. Yeah, yeah,
well that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Really was a great Hayman asked move for him to do. Yeah, sure,
I just fucked you over royally three months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
But you know, an we're family. Everybody at Olive Garden
his family, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Yeah, that's and that's truly was someone that's that big
of a fucking asshole would do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Right. Yeah, they just.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Go, oh man, yeah, it's so what feelings. Let's let
let feelings get in between something that helps me, right,
you know what I mean? Like he's he's so good
at playing that sniffy, shitty narcissist character.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Well, and then we get to the point where they
all started brawling and Bronson and bron took control of
Roman and started whooping his ass, and Ron Breaker gate
Roman Reigns the spear taught him a little lesson that
he's not the only one that has a spear, and
then Jay Husso's music hits, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
That's all Jay's got to do. Now, I guess that's
about it. That's who Jay, That's who jay Uso is,
which is which is both unfortunate and fine because I
think we're all sort of, you know, the people that
watch this show weekly. Now, we're all sort of knowing
what we're going to get out of a jay Uso match.

(01:26:01):
So it's not like we're sitting there being like, why
isn't Jay Usso wrestling every week? Dad, damn it, I
need to see a jay Uso match. But it's also
funny where now he's the guy that just comes out
and makes saves like he's fucking the biggest star on
the show. But I I guess to some respect he
has to be, because what is he competing with at

(01:26:25):
this moment other than Roman who Roman might not even
be here next week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yes, Seth Sentrance, I don't know. I don't know what
jay Uso is competing with, because you're right, he's just
he's on a different level because they put him up
too high. And I know that jay Uso made the
save of Roman reins, but it felt very weird. It
was fine when Roman Reigns made the save the prior

(01:26:50):
week and obviously helped up Jay didn't help up see
him Punk. That was a nice little nod throwback callback, right,
that was fun. But Jay Uso and I understand and
it's still family. Blah blah blah. We know the storyline.
I don't know, just felt weird that Jay Usa is
going to be the one to save Rowan rains as nickers,
ye know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I just well, it couldn't be Sammy. I guess that's
where he is. He's that guy on the show now,
he's the one doing the commercials for fucking Minute Made
and Slim Jim and all that other shit. And I'm
not going to sit here and say that that is
proof positive that he's going to be a massive, you know,

(01:27:31):
forever guy. He's going to be the next Da Da
Da Da Da. But when your show is what it
is right now, when Punk's opening your show, you're like, Okay, well,
then who's coming out in the main of heads. I
guess Jay, you know, because it has to be somebody
they haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
But I'm glad they didn't just wheel seth out in
the cast. Oh I'm still afraid of that. I'm still
afraid of of Seth needs the spotlight. So while he's injured,
they're gonna have him in a wheelchair or something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
I don't think they're above that. And I think that's
where it's scary, like you said, because I've seen people
say that too. Well, why when are they gonna have
him start coming out with it? Honestly, I think after
last night, the thing with Hayman saying that to Roman,
that's gotta be the nail in them saying Seth they're
gonna show up for a while, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Because he said that, I feel like Seth's gonna show
up next week. I feel like he's gonna show up
in the summer. Yes, Seth is gone for a really really,
really really long long time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
It's like, no, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Don't do that to me. I don't believe you, Paul,
damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
But then that also leads to this other problem that
you know, sometimes you see Heels do this type of
shit on a show, and then you go, well, what
would have happened if you know, like, what would have
happened if he looked at Roman and was like you
know what, Roman, you should and Roman was like, yeah,
it sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
That's what I was hoping for. I'm like, wow, there's
a change right there. There's your turn. Roman's like, yeah,
you know what, I will pick up where I left
off first people we're going after against his solo and
his boys.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, sounds good, let's get back together, Paul. Yeah. But
then if they were trying to tell the story of
Seth coming back in another week, it's like, oh ooopsie poopsie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Right, yeah, you get Amy back on board, you get
Jay back on board with Bronson, Bronson reed, bron Breakers,
Sammy's name Jay Usso, and Roman reigns. Oh jesus, Yeah,
time to kill the judgment day. Time to kill the
other blood line too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yeah. At that point, you might as well just bring
up all of the guys in NXT that are failing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Next is three point oho, You say, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Yeah, right, that's when you send up the Italians and
Andre Chase and whomever, and they just get the shit
kicked out of them for six months. I guess that
would be the only way that you could do that
without sacrificing a bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Of Seth would have to lead those guys in his wheelchair.
He could be like Charles Xavier and he just points
at them, go my NX team men.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
No, all right, god, that's you know what, don aw
any ideas?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Is that a mister Domas Mullen A shit? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
They're like, oh, you know, I'm sorry. They couldn't have
NXT men. What would they call them? Tony boy, the
Tony boys, not the X team man. I like the
NX team man instead of the X men NX team men.
All right, Oh he just said the n men. I'm like, dad,
let's not do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
That's not better.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
No, yeah, no, I don't think that would go over swimmingly.
I think that could. How about you, Stott your wrestling promotion,
give that a try.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Saleworce, what kind of taker do we need? No?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
No, no, no, no no, he's retired. He's retired tired,
which both of them, I'm sure. Stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Hey, what's with tornado up to? Oh? Stop? All right?
So that was pretty much raw raw overall. I like
I said it was. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great.
I think there were absolutely parts of it that were fantastic. Again,
I'm glazing the shit out of the semi and cross match.
I think Cross is finally coming into his own it's

(01:31:28):
wild to see the fans behind him, and it's great
to see Scarlett in a role where she is part
of the antagonist offense. I think that's so important to
their dynamic. And the crazy blood kiss at the end
where she looked like a vampire. I'm totally fine with
that too. A little bit of a throwback to the
NXT fan base. Somebody actually posted an article. I don't

(01:31:49):
know if it's real or not, but there was like
a whole interview that she did about why I kissed
him with the blood on his mouth because that's her
husband and she knows that blood cells. Like, what the fuck?
She she understood the assignment.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
You know, it's I like the idea of people being
married and it's just like, you know, they put each
other's genitals at their mouths, right, No, I know, she's
crazy to think about such a thing. And they're like
you he It's like, that's not even top three grossest things.
He's just I think lifted, Like, well, you're never taking

(01:32:27):
a ship right next to your spouse. Come on, they grew.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Up door open, door open. Yeah. No, Eel Sky and
Stephanie was absolutely fantastic to Oki. I really did enjoy
that once again. It was weird to see a match
that could have happened anywhere else in the world but
WWE and them having that kind of match. It was fun.
It was fun to see with face the promos of

(01:32:52):
the Knife, you know, to see them punk.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Oh no, no, no, the other girls, the girls, that
Japanese girls yell at that was the best friend. You're
going to be a champion.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Yay, yay, we are plans yay.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
That was great. They should do that every week. Yes,
for the next three years.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
I'm going to check out the rest of the Slammiversary though,
Like I said, I I just left off at Usha
and j C. Jane, so that's where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
But I don't know. I saw Top Dollar crotch himself
on a ladder and I was like, I feel like
I missed out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
I missed the pre show. I need to go back
and catch the pre show too, because there was like
fourteen matches on there too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
So apparently Enzo Enzo did some good work on it,
which is crazy to see.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
His re debut, his return, whatever the fuck they're calling it.
I've had a lot of people though, a lot of
people were upset with Slammiversary, and I think that's what
intrigues me. It's like, how can you be upset at Slammiversary.
AJ Styles was on the card too, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Well, I mean that just shows you that the TNA
is becoming more relevant again because people can muster up
the feelings to give a shit one way or the other,
you know what I mean? Like as usual, it's like
TNA had a pay per view, they'd be like they
did yeah right. It's almost better for them at this
point to be like dies your pointed. It's like you
had expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Sick Slam of ver Ins in chat says Slam of
Versary was great to be honest, but not a fan
of j C Double Champs. See, that's that's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
J C.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Jane should have all those filthy belts.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
All.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
I love how much you are supporting her. It isn't
it is a music to me love? Was it Becky
that was making the shot? I thought Becky? So there
was a part of Becky's promo. I guess we didn't
really talk about it when she was What was she
mocking the fact that Jace had you know, too many
belts or multiple belts or she was mocking the fact
that somebody was gonna have multiple belts and how horrible

(01:34:52):
it is to have multiple belts, And I'm like, is
this a shot at Sasha? Like I almost felt like
it was a veil shot, But I don't know. It
could it could just be nothing, It could just be highlighting. Well,
Becky is, like I said, she has these moments where
you go, well, she's she's doing good work, she's being smart,

(01:35:12):
she's got some good lines, she's got some good jabs,
and then she usually unravels and it's just because everything
else that surrounds it. It's not particularly great. Honestly, I
kind of hope down the line that Becky becomes somebody
that helps the girls write their promos, punch them up

(01:35:33):
whatever it might be. Yeah, because she does have a
knack for that, right, But other than that, yeah, not
particularly good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Well, but with that said, let's get ready to wrap
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(01:36:04):
with that said, we'll see you guys tomorrow. There should
be an LFG show, probably either tonight or tomorrow, depending
on Lou and Jeff's schedule, and then of course of
all this week will take place with Jeff and Marie Shadows,
so I'm looking forward to that, and of course we'll
be back for another Wrestling Soup before the Wrestling Soup
and then Friday Frank and Goss, etcetera, etcetera. So much love,

(01:36:26):
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