THE TNA IMPACT or AEW COLLISION (Wrestling Soup 8.14.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm dying to know, like, what did what has actually happened?
Because I'm trying to think. I think that some scattered
shit I've heard. I heard some wrestling interview today. I
don't know. Once again, I'm just hearing these small things,
and sometimes i feel like I'm really far behind because
I'm not one of these people. Like I said, every

(00:21):
four to six hours, I need to fucking be doing
a wrestling show. But I don't know. Dude, what all right?
You just tell me hugely, sir, something different tonight. Can
you please lead me to something that makes sense? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I thought I don't only leave the shows, but sure, Okay,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's all I'm being, dude, but backslash sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Fuck min, I'm being a snowflake.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
My bad, Oh Jude shop being a triggered snowflake. Wrestling
soup is intended for a mature audience.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
We like to use naughty.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Worse.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wrestling soup. I'm Anthony, he's Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
What's going on? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Man? Fucking day of the week. I'm I'm out of
here tomorrow. I'll be back tuesday. So I'm kind of
looking forward to that. I thought we might have gotten
a Frank and Gustin tonight, but I guess we will
hold that off, maybe for Tuesday or Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Or some shit. Wait, you're gonna be out it. You're
gonna be out of town starting tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
You say, yeah, yeah, I'm like out of the city
at five in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
So oh shit, Okay, I didn't know you were going
at early.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm gonna have Yeah, I'm pulling out late an all
nighter as I usually do. Edited up the shows. I
got a Garden of Thought with Jeff Lippman to put up.
He's got a couple of interviews. I think he gets
got to Vinny Pacific go on and or it's a
gar I'm not sure if it's a Gospel of Thomas
or a Gardener Thought, but either way, and I just
put up the LFG show, the recap Wrestling stew with

(01:54):
LuFisto and Jeff, and then I'll put up Wrestling Soup
tonight at some point point after editing and cleaning it
up and yeah, and then I'll just set everything up
for timers so it posts when I'm not around. That's
another fun thing too. I always get messages when the
shows go up, so people think that I'm still awake
at six in the morning, and it's like, nah, no,

(02:15):
that's called a schedule. That's called a timed post and
I'm fucking out of there.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, don't tell them how the sausage is made. I mean, yeah,
I've always been working all nice slave and in the
mines the editing minds. Yeah, dude, you're giving away all
the trade secrets. This is like WWE reality show on Netflix. Dude,
you don't want to give away all the trade secrets.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I just now to get the fuck out of the
city for a bit. We're celebrating her, my mother in law,
her mother's birthday, and her birthday too, because I you know,
her mother didn't get a chance to celebrate her birthday month.
So it's just a big vacation for for all four
of us to go out there at the Dells for
a little bit, and then we're probably gonna hit some
other air is past Wisconsin too, because there's a lot

(03:01):
of little antique shops that she likes that we can
go hit. And now she's got some some new things
that she's interested in. So yeah, it's gonna be a
weekend abroad. In Wisconsin and Upper Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So oh party, party city, right party states some.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Cool shit, man. I will say, as far as antique
stores go, Wisconsin and Ohio have kind of the best
places to find freaky shit. Ever since I found those
severed heads in Wisconsin, we've just kept going back. I
swear it's great. I don't even know how the fuck
they get it. They get some guy that goes to
China or Mongolia and just starts digging up graves and

(03:38):
takes them all back to Wisconsin. There's a place in Milwaukee,
and it's a giant fucking warehouse. It's like four stories, right,
and on the top floor they have these ceremonial funeral
masks that are like legit.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
They have like.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Pictures and certifications and shit of like all these bodies
that they uncover and they just take these masks, or
the village does it, and they just buy it off
of him. I don't know how it works, but then
they pass the savings onto you. So but I like
that is yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I like the idea of dying god knows how many
years ago and then your severed head ends up in Wisconsin, right, Yes,
I guess just by some way somehow, and and by
the way, that's why I'm gonna be I'm gonna be cremated.
I think that's the way to do it. Are you
a burried Are you a buried guy or a cremated guy?
Buried alive? That's fucking yeah. You want the metal ship

(04:35):
I want to be standing up. Yeah I got one
of those dudes. Yeah, No, cremated. You gotta get fucking cremated.
Tacking up a lot. That's a lot of space to
take up to have a fucking grave. I don't know,
that's just it. I always thought about that. I'm like,
you know, that's a lot of room that we could
put I don't know, like a Jersey mics or something.
We're just putting all these dead bodies head that nobody's

(04:57):
gonna visit. Don't really make sense? Is I'm haunted too?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I found the place because people were asking the show
what the fuck I'm talking about. It's called Antiques on
Pierce and it's three floors four floors technically of crazy
antiques and shit. And you go in there. The place
is huge and it's a mix of like they have
a floor where they have like personalized art, but there's
a floor where it's just nothing but Asian stuff that's
been dug out of graves. I swear it's crazy. Oh

(05:23):
that's that's lovely Wisconsin. More than meat and cheese and beer.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, grave robbery that everybody's.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
They have great wrestling magazines there though. I got most
of my old pwis and the ring issues from like
the fifties from there. So they have a real sordid
collection of things, you know, extra soided.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well wait a second, so they have all the old
wrestling magazine episodes or episodes, yes, epigon magazines, Yes, yes,
the old episodes. Well no, because I'm trying to think,
I'm like, you could find all the old Meltzer ones, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
No, Meltzer never actually made a real magazine Meltzer. Meltzer
typed with his little fucking typewriter from the eighties onto
a piece of paper and sold it for thirty dollars
a page or whatever the fuck it was.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, n Obomber manifestos.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
As many places as I've been, as much wrestling merch
that I've seen that I've purchased and have not purchased,
I have never not once seen somebody reselling old wrestling
observer newsletters.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Never Wow, they don't hold their value.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Shit. That was actually just like printed out on somebody's
home God, damn mac you know, not even MacBook, Macintosh
for some reason, that doesn't hold a lot of value.
It's crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I know we were
talking a little bit about that earlier, but I feel
like I've just started to recently catch up on some
of the stupid stray fucking Dave Meltzer idiocy of late.

(07:01):
He's out there mostly because I don't care about AW,
so that doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
You know, Well, what do you mean everybody cares about AW?
Haven't you heard no what happens?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, No, I'm just haven't you heard the news? They're
having lots of wrestling matches, So I have what, no way,
what's happening in those wrestling matches? They're taking lots of bumps.
Get out of here, dude.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Really, So, I mean, I guess you could start with this.
There is some AW news in contention at the moment
right now. It's being reported. I see it on No
DQ that. In July of twenty twenty five, Carlos Silva
discussed talking about TNA Wrestling seeking a new media rights
deal that would produce live TV every single week. I
think we've even talked about that, but the update on

(07:46):
those negotiations. John Albo of Sports Illustrated said, multiple independent
sources tell the Takedown on Sports Illustrated that there have
been discussions of TNA moving to a WWE associated network.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I know we talked a little bit about that, about
them possibly ending up on Peacock, But he says, He
goes on, he says, and the company is even open
to shifting from Thursday to Wednesday nights to go head
to head with AEW Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh man, Wow, well you know what, just another shot
WWE taking another shot. Yeah, get aw take that. The
war has started. It's like, no, guys, I think at
this point that we're just running out of nights. I
think we're just running out of nights of the week, right,
you know what I mean? At this point, it's like,

(08:37):
I think I'm gonna put my wrestling show on Tuesday,
The War with NXT. You're like, no, I think I
put can I put it on Friday? The War which
smacked out? It's like, yeah, there's only so many fucking days.
In the week. At this point, good.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gods, I just appreciate WWE moving TNA schedule for us.
I really do appreciate this. That's very nice of that.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
But that is pretty fucking that's kind that's actually very
kind of that.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'd rather report on TNA than Dynamite. Anyways. While it
was not directly indicated that the destination would be CW,
it was expressed to Sports Illustrated that the CW's interest
and the promotion is legit, and that some WWE stakeholders
would like TNA to be a part of the network,
of the WWE network of friends, the friendly network.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
But yeah, the friends and family everything. Dude, Like I said,
at this point, there's so much wrestling. It's on every
single night. There's a thousand companies. I don't see if
there's even the concept of an AW or any of
them being like they're coming for me, they're fucking with me.

(09:43):
I'm like, dude, there's just so many of them. The
other day, I sat down and watched the I don't
know if it was technically supposed to be a pay
per view or something, but I watched the MLW show
because I have a buddy that was on it and
I was like, oh yeah, let me check. And the
show was good. It was fine. It was weird seeing
some of these people that I hadn't thought of in

(10:04):
a decade, and I was like, oh, fuck, Like, like,
Austin Aries is their commentator. Did you know that I
did not. Yeah, Austin Ares is a commentator on that.
Dario Queto from Fucking Luca Underground does a big character
on the show. I had no idea, that's how much
wrestling there is that I put on an MLW show.
And I was like, I didn't even know that these

(10:26):
people were still wrestling at all, and there they are, right,
But this, yeah, well we're gonna put TNA on Wednesday night,
so that's AWS night. Dude. There's seventeen thousand fucking people
trying to produce wrestling shows right now. But it's all
we do.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's because everybody wants to defeat AW though, Joe. That's
that's the bottom of the said.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, it has nothing to do with, you know, placing
more TV on the network so everybody gets a chance
to watch WWE stuff. It's not about more promotions coming
up and trying to establish their own niche in the
wrestling fandom universe. It's really about just trying to take
AW down another peg. That's yeah what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Because they're in such a good place, you know what
I mean, there's they need, they need to feel the
burn of competition. Yeah. No, if TNA finds his way
onto being on the USA Network, it'll more than likely
end up becoming yet another show, another WWE type adjacent,
another wrestling show where the majority of people are going

(11:30):
to watch it none fast forward. Let's be real, do
you know what I mean? There's just so many of
these fucking shows that it would be like, Okay, well
what happened? It's like, oh, you know Moose and what's
his name? Mike Santana had a good match or something.
People be like, Okay, I'll tune in and watch that.
But I'm not sure if this is something that everybody's
gonna sit down and watch every Wednesday night. Ran I

(11:52):
could be wrong, but I don't know. What do you
fucking think? Do you think that's something that If AW
is getting six hundred thousand people every Wednesday roughly around that,
how many people do you think are gonna watch TNA
every week?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think TNA will have a better run. Honestly, Yeah, yeah,
I think it's more of a like minded product to
AW in some variants. Obviously, TNA is nowhere near as
bloody as AW is, but I mean as far as
that indie feel that little kind of throwback vibe, I
don't know. I think TNA going head to head with
AW could be fun and I don't see it as

(12:25):
a war, but I mean that would be a pleasant
alternative then watching AW.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I just I don't know how many people will tune in.
I don't know if there's gonna be like a big
surgeence of people that will start catching the shows, thinking
that they're gonna play off of each other like the
old WCW and wwfdays. I don't know if they would
do that. I don't know if Tony's capable of doing that.
As far as TNA goes, it would just be another attempt,

(12:52):
because it's not like people can't find TNA now right
they are. I will always say this about TNA. They've
been very resilience to death. They faced it many times
and many times have survived even in the face of
the odds of where we thought it was time for
them to wrap it up and go home. I swear
after Billy left and took two million dollars or whatever

(13:13):
the hell that was, you know, for I thought that
was going to finally cripple TNA, And then when they
lost Scott dea Moore, I was like, Ah, this is
gonna finally end the life and just choke out what's
left of TNA. But they still keep going ahead. They
still keep going forward, So good for them and the
new connections that they have with WWE. I mean, would
you be surprised if WWE starts lending some of their

(13:36):
interns over to TNA just to give them a little
bit more of an edge against aw's doing.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
You know, And this would be one of those moments where,
like I said, it does get silly to where it's
you know, that's that's my Saturday night. No, dude, it's
it's a Saturday in the summer. Doesn't belong to you.
But there is also something to if somebody was to say,
what you think WWE is going to use TNA to

(14:03):
fuck with AEW And in my brain it just immediately
goes back to, well, why wouldn't they right? Why why
wouldn't they This was the company five years ago saying
we're gonna put WWE into Crown. We're good to check
in two years or less or six months or whatever.

(14:24):
Our ratings are going to be higher than RAW. They
wanted this, No, we wanted this.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And now they got it. They got it with but
I think they wanted it against RAW. They wanted it
maybe against SmackDown, because that's why they had what was
it not collision rampage on after SmackDown for a while there.
I think there was a point where they thought that
AW was a main event contender with WWE, and that
was proven false for months, for.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Years, for years now, for years.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
So it's like that there should be you would think, right,
I mean, I guess I would assume instead of Tony
and AW fans looking at this as a negative, and
I'm sure Dave is going to if he hasn't already
lose his fucking shit over this, but you would think
they'd be like, oh, look, competition, direct competition, and it's

(15:14):
not WWE, it's TNA, but it's direct competition with a
company that they've worked with before, and it's an opportunity
to get both of them some exposure. I just but
I don't think fans see it that way. They're not
looking at it like, ah, this is good for everybody's business,
This is good for everybody's wallet. Because while you're talking
about look, there's you know, all these other promotions on

(15:35):
besides you know WWE and AW, you know MLW, you
got Triple A, you got WOW, you got all these
other programs on. This is something different because you're gonna
have to potentially to promotions on at the exact same time,
and I think fairly to evenly match promotions, and instead

(15:55):
of a generating buzz, it's going to generate butt hurt.
And I think that it's the wrong way to look
at this.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Look.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I know that AW is trying to restructure themselves. There's
a lot of good things that they've done lately. I
still think the fan base is a little wacky. But
I think playing in the smaller venues, while the people say, oh,
they're playing and fucking I forgot what they called it,
some Neptunes Castle or whatever the fuck it was. But
when they're playing at the Aragon Ballroom and shit, when

(16:22):
they're playing these smaller venues, I don't immediately think, oh
they've lost, They're finally dead, which is what unfortunately a
lot of WWE fans keep saying. It's like, no, they're
finally playing in the right environment to get a loud
enough crowd and to get that image what their company
needs to rebuild. They can't sell out Wembley Arenas every

(16:42):
fucking Wednesday. They just can't do it. And it's absurd
that these fan bases rally and gas like them so
hard that the company believes it, and it's like every
time you go there, all it is is just rows
and rows of tarps and blackout screens. So they're restructuring
the that they're presenting their show. The wrestlers and talent

(17:04):
haven't been as annoying online as they have been in
the past. It feels like social media wise, they've kind
of reeled it back in. Tony kind of keeps things
light now. Tony isn't losing his shit at random people
that post things on X So it's like, Okay, you've
done a facial reconstruction here. You're restructuring the way that

(17:24):
the company is putting on their shows on Wednesday. I
don't know if this is a financial decision considering Tony's past. Joe,
I don't think that he cares financially. He just wants
to have a good audience and a good show, which
is what you need. That's like, that should always be
the basis. Instead of wanting pats on the back in validation,

(17:46):
how about you give people a reason to give you
pats on the back and validation. So I'm not necessarily
against the idea of AW going through this metamorphosis. I
think the idea of TNA being competition directly for them
might be good for both, might help TNA too. I
just but I already see it. I already see the

(18:06):
SICKO fan base losing their minds over this. I can
already hear Dave Meltter going into a diatribe about how
WWE is terrified of AW, so they're sending their pawns
TNA after them, and it's just like, God, damn dude.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, you'll feel a lot better about wrestling when you
come to the conclusion. And I think it's not just wrestling,
but it works kind of across the board in a
lot of layers of life. But most people are full
of shit, and most people just will fucking completely betray
whatever the hell they said five minutes ago. If it
doesn't suit their interests. And it's not necessarily like I'm

(18:44):
saying most people are just bad people. It's that is
what the fuck it is? Yeah right, because two years
ago or less, I can't even put it on a
scale anymore. I feel like aw has Boll's been around
for five minutes in five thousand years. But man, just
enjoy wrestling? Remember, just enjoy wrestling? Do you remember that
that enjoy it? Dude?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Is that like when Google said do no Evil?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah? Right, dude, you don't remember to just enjoy wrestling time?
Whereas listen, man, we're all just trying to watch it
and and don't forget don't forget this either mission. The
more wrestling, the better, Yes, more of it is better.
For there's more choices, right like remember this, and these

(19:28):
were all talking points that have circled through.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You know the problem with that is all I know
you're going somewhere with that, but you know what the
real problem with that always was. I still agree with
that that methodology. I do agree that more choices is better,
But the problem is is the fan base now expects
you to watch everything you're supposed to read. The Choose
your Own Adventure book all the choices at the same time,

(19:54):
from front to back, Like that's the problem. If I
could just choose what I like, that'd be great. What
you're expected to watch everything and that's insanity. Go on,
I'm sorry, Oh no, but it is.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
And Matt kind of summed it up in the chat
room there, which is it's sort of the direction I
was gonna go, and it's it's always enjoy wrestling. But
but people mean by that is enjoy the wrestling. I enjoy.
That's what it. That's the direction that a lot of
people they pretend is though. He man, if there's more vie,
that just means there's like more choices, you know what
I mean? Yeah, and we all like listen, dude, like

(20:29):
if everybody is a shoeless hippie until it fucks with
their lunch, right, do you know what I mean? Hey
me in no, dude, it's good, Like, well, whoa, what's
going on over there? They're having a wrestling show too.
That's great, let's all get together and have a fucking
drum circle, you know what I mean. But then the
second it's not a blind praise or worship of whatever

(20:52):
the fuck it is, they like it's a problem, or
are they trying to play in the drum circle at
the same time. It's me, this is I drum circle.
I have drum circles on Wednesday night, not just not
this fucking guy over here. It's like, no, we have
really hit I mean no, even my god, I'm ten
years behind a point on this. We beyond hit a

(21:15):
saturation level on wrestling. So you need to be making
something that is really fucking interesting. Our stands above other
things for people to even remotely decide to choose to
watch yours over someone else's. And aw got a few
years where it's similar to like whatever it might be

(21:35):
a band or a rapper whoever, where they write three
songs and then they end up blowing up. We've all
heard that story a million times, right. The band are like, oh, well,
we've made a five song demo and then we got signed,
and then we're playing at stadiums and then they say, hey,
can you write more songs?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And we go not really the Islands Boys, yes, of course.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah. Or you know they say to you, okay, well
you're gonna write some songs. You go okay, and then
you write a second album. Well it's not so good,
and she fucking fails and you kind of fall out
of favor, but you've rebound and you become a band
like a third Eye Blind, where for the rest of
your life you can go and tour and play casinos

(22:17):
and draw six hundred people. And you're like, I'm having
fun with that, right, I'm living. I'm living pretty decent
on the free fucking buffet every night. I got a
hotel room, all right, sounds good to me.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's only for the people that don't have dreams, Joe,
they don't have career goals.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh I'm sorry if you want to be the.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Guy to hit one home run and then quit and
retire and be the guy that batted a thousand like
for you.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well no, But also at the same time, dude, you're
a tall man. You played sports, you know, if you
if you chose the basketball life, let's say, and you
got a chance and you played in the NBA for
a hot second, but then they were like, hey, we
don't got a spot for you, or you can't find

(23:02):
a team. But they're hey, man, you want to go
to fucking Portugal. What's the Nicolian doing on the basketball court?
I don't fucking know. D it's just.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But like if they said to you, hey, you want
to go to fucking Portugal and make you know, two
hundred thousand dollars a year, you go play some basketball,
see some beautiful places. I don't find that sad. Like
I think the way that some people see that happen
with athletes or bands or whomever, and oh man, that's
that's a fucking bummer, dude, that really sucks. And it's like,

(23:36):
not not really if you're still doing something you like
and you're making money doing it. Now, if you're depressed
as shit doing it the whole time, that's a completely
different story.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
But if if all these AW guys and girls are
supposedly these amazing artists that all they want to do
is wrestle, and they would do it in front of nobody,
then they should be glad that you're getting paid the
money they're getting even to wrestle in front of twelve
hundred excited people, and they shouldn't give a shit that
TNA's artists are doing the same thing. Right, So just art, dude, right.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Let me follow it up. So Dave Meltzer did make
a comment about the TNA potential with AW the crossover
the future battle that may or may not happen. Dave said,
they wwe really want TNA to become the other promotion
because they can control TNA, and it's a this is
a major full court press. They just want this guy,

(24:29):
Tony Kahan out of the box and they know that
if the numbers are good, that he's going to get
a renewal at a much bigger number, just like they did,
and a number that will make him increase. It's already
very profitable. The number will make him incredibly profitable and
they'll never get away from him, but you know, away
from him or anything like that. So they feel that

(24:50):
they need to make sure that this is the last contract.
And that was in reference to I believe with the
Brocklesner John seen the thing where obviously that's going to
be part of a pl that goes head to head
with All Out in Toronto. But that's that's the thing, though,
is Dave's already throwing peppering that in about the control
of TNA, and it's like it's a weird thing because

(25:13):
TNA has been its own entity for so long and
maybe I should look at it this way because once again,
I play the simpletons sometimes. But maybe I just don't
look at TNA as being a WWE property, maybe because
TNA still has their own independent owners and they aren't,
you know, stepping into Nick CON's office for a paycheck

(25:33):
every week. I still don't look at them as part
of the WWE long arm of discussion. But you know,
Dave Meltzer sees it differently. He sees TNA as a
pawn for WWE, and TNA is going to enact and
do the things that WWE don't want to waste the
talent and resources for.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So And don't get me wrong, I'm not the guy
that's cheering on I'm not like yay go mcdo Donalds,
I'm so proud of you, or like, Wow, Walmart's building
another store. That's fucking awesome. Right, But if the competition
we're talking about is fucking awful and we're not having
the conversation is not, it's not a fair based level decent.

(26:17):
You know, the comparison sucks at that point. You know, Oh,
I guess they're building another you know, Target in town.
These big companies moving and take over and it's like, well,
what else do you have? And they're like Bill's General
store and you're like, oh, it's Bill's General Store. Nice Now,
I mean it's no, it's actually pretty shitty in there, right, well,

(26:38):
well what a yeah, I mean it's overpriced and kind
of mold on the mold on the ceiling, and Bill's
kind of creepy. But you know, it's like, yeah, you're
not talking about a competition where we're going, oh, man,
really rooting for the little guy and they're putting on
this superior show and they're really knocking it out of
the park. It's like, no, all doing at this point

(27:01):
is arguing over a billionaire that's semi competent and one
that isn't.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, when Bill has a fire sale, he actually
just lights the store on fire. It's it's amazing, guys.
That's why I shop at Bill's.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I like I like going to Bill's because that's
where my grandfather used to go. Now, granted me, Now
granted him and my grandfather used to drink heavily together
and you know, just break stuff. But you know, no, dude,
it's it's insane. It's fucking insane, and it's it's meltzer.
Shit him going the numbers, the numbers are great, like

(27:37):
it sounds very fucking trump you and you know that
would make a lot of people's buttholes sore. But that's
what it is. Oh, the numbers are great, everything's great,
it's amazing. You're like, well, I don't know, man, we're
kind of looking at that. This isn't great and amazing.
It's like, what do you mean, Brian, like jesz Old,

(27:58):
crazy hunter, lazy lazy h As I call him, like,
it's just dude, we have eyes like, you can't you
can't fool us on this. The show is not as successful.
There's less people in the crowd. Less people are talking
about it, and you know what, they probably will get
another TV contract. It probably will. And do I sit

(28:19):
there and go, oh, man, that's indicative of the show
being better. No, you don't mean anything anymore. It really doesn't.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Speaking of billionaires, I guess it's got to be noted.
I don't know if he had a chance to see it,
but yesterday TMZ had their special tribute to the Real
Hulk Hogan and it was the first time that we
had a chance to see Vince McMahon in a obviously
in an interview in a long time, and there was
a couple of people that were add it. I watch

(28:47):
all of it. Actually it was it was okay for
what it was, and had Sylvester Stallone on there a lot.
I had Mark Henry and I got some clips from
Mark Henry and stuff too talking about it. Vince McMahon
was on there, Charlotte Flair was in there for a
hot minute, and it was it was a lot more
fair than I was expecting it to be. Because it's TMZ,

(29:08):
I'm not exactly expecting honest truth, and like you know
what I mean, I'm not usually expecting the depth of
things more than knee jerk reaction to stuff. But I
was kind of surprised as to how they they promoted it.
If you didn't get a chance to see, it's already
up on YouTube, because of course it is. But here's
here's one of the clips after talking about after being

(29:29):
asked about how he felt or how it was taken,
after Hulk Hogan dropped that it's infamous clip about I'd
rather she was going to blank blank blank, So.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
He had made some racist comments on a call to
Nick and jail.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I make that that means my best friend.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
It was unforgivable and I was like, I guess what
and when those things occurred, that's not like him. What
in God's name was going.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
On on the sex d if he actually said he
was a racist?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He said in his words that he was a racist.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
So why would I sit here and try to defend
somebody that tells you who they were?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
How did it affect you personally? Worst thing I've ever said?

Speaker 7 (30:19):
I told him then, And I told vinzick Man, I
was like, look, if y'all want this to go away,
I know how to fix it. And we should do
a Black college tour at More House and prayer Review
and hit the circuit and go and talk to him
and be honest with your apology. And he was like, well,
I've been advised not to talk about it no more.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
And I said, I think that's bad advice.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
You're clearly disappointed, not just in what he said, but
in the way he handled it afterward.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I mean, I thought, I remember when we were talking
about that God when it was first reported after hulkok
and said those words and said the phrases, and I
found it interesting. I was watching Steve and James earlier
too that I was kind of surprised that James forgot
about the prison house discussions because that's what I focused
on more because I thought that was more egregious than

(31:14):
him talking about his daughter. Like I guess that's weird
because when he was talking about his daughter, he was
being very flippant, right, Like it was gross what he said,
no matter which which conversation offended you or whatever, but
it was it was flippant, and it was Maybe it
was because it was so casual when he was talking
about his daughter, But when Nick was in the joint,

(31:35):
that was the real feeling, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
talking casually with people. I'm not saying that Hogan had
any right to say anything, but when he came forward
with telling how telling his boy how to survive in
prison and just dropping all that shit, it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Like, what's by the way, Like Hulk Hogan has the
answers to that too, or had them, I should say,
like he's like, let me tell you, brother, I was
in prison one type Like that's already fucking absurd enough.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
But Mark Henry Mark Henry went on to talk that
you know, look, there was a point where him and
I believe Titus was the other guy too, where they
had the idea that, look, let's embrace this, and well,
maybe not embrace, but let's be forward about this, let's
be open about this. Hulk Hogan made a mistake. We'll
go to these black colleges, we'll go to these black fairs,

(32:25):
and we'll put Hogan on display. And later on even
in the in this documentary too, he's like, I thought,
it could have been a learning experience, it could have
been a growing experience for not only Hulk Hogan but
for the fan base, and it could have potentially done
a lot for him in the future. And it really
did feel like, you know, Mark Henry believed this, and
I wonder in hindsight would it have fixed his image

(32:48):
if he had genuine other black individuals that were absolutely
respected by other wrestlers, by fans. I mean, clearly people
love Mark Henry, people love Titus O'Neil. Ambassadors for the
company was for years. But do you think that a
tour a public apology to maybe not even a public
apology tour, but I mean, obviously that would be a

(33:10):
part of it. But I guess there's like a there's
an idea in your head when you say public apology
that immediately goes to insincere bullshit, scripted bullshit. But if
he was out there actually discussing why he said those
things with people on an even playing field, do you
think that would have fixed his image and maybe even
made it better.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It wouldn't have heard it, do you know what I mean? Like,
there is this point where we have to accept the
fact where somebody would be well, they wouldn't accept it anyways,
so never mind, don't even do it. And I think
to myself, that's like somebody was attempting to be a
little bit healthier in life, and they're like, no, you're

(33:50):
already fucked up. Don't even try to eat a vegetable, right, No,
try it, try it, you know, No, you're fucked green beans.
Never again, Like, just go out there, see what happened.
And and this might sound insane to some people too,
because I know everybody is just like ready to die
on whatever hell that they fucking will plant a flag

(34:11):
on nowadays. But there could have been a slight possibility
that maybe, just maybe oh Holgan might have learned something right.
Imagine that, Imagine he could have had a moment in
his life as whatever fit.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Older man too went on even talking about a young guy.
I think that's where to me, I think that's where
the real story would have been. I mean, if a
young guy says something stupid, I think there's a lot
more leeway, you know what I mean. If a fucking
eighteen year old gets caught dropping gamer words, you're just like,
you're an idiot, you know. But when you're a sixty they're.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Trying to be agy, they're pushing, they're pushing barriers, they're
still trying to Yeah, yeah, all that, yes.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
But when you're see something you're old man. I think
it would have said a lot if he could see
how much his words hurt, if people could tell him
and embrace that moment and say, hey, look, you of
all people saying this is really detrimental. And even though
you've heard people online in social media tell you what
they think of you, let us explain to you the

(35:13):
reason why, like, let us let us help you understand
where this is wrong. And even if Hulk Hogan, and
this is the part that I would be confused about,
and this is why I asked you if you think
this would be a good idea or not. Hulk Hogan
is a political negotiator, he would he have learned, or

(35:33):
would he have just tap dance around and said and
smiled and done the things that?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Truthfully, probably more that mish okay, I mean more than likely.
I mean obviously rose colored glasses are to sit here
and to say maybe Hulk would have maybe Hulk would
have learned, Maybe he would have it would have helped him,
he would have been able to grow from an experience
like that. But when we're talking about an obvious, unchecked,

(36:00):
severely mentally ill, malignant narcissist in it's late fifties, there's
a that's a real hard nut to crack, dude, right,
And I'm not saying that that can't be changed. I'm
not saying that those people can't find a way around that. Dude.
Do you think that there aren't a shit ton of

(36:21):
people right now that are looking around at their lives
and they're going, you know, older people of course too,
and they're going, oh my god, fucking I did that
I talk like this twenty years ago, or like I
felt right way, or like, of course that that happens.
Do I expect everybody to be that introspective or some
everybody to even give a shit? No, of course not

(36:43):
I expect that from most people. But of course that
does happen. That is a thing to the effect of
if you're somebody that's even our age, right, and you're
you know you, hey, remember when you were twenties? Ah,
that was fucking dumb. Why would I ever say, why
would I think that, or why would I think that
was important? Or why would I feel this sort of

(37:04):
way about things? The point of life is you're supposed
to grow, You're supposed to get new information, You're supposed
to change your feelings and thoughts and opinions based off
of that new information and experiences.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yes, but it's also it also needs to be pointed
out at that age you're not expected to grow anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And I think that, Oh no, no, they're fine with Yeah,
most people are fine with not growing. You're right, that's
and that's unfortunate. I mean, I don't know if you've
had comparable experiences or.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, my grandpa was horrible. The ship that rolled out
of my grandfather's mouth. Holy shit. They they wouldn't have
found another way to cancel him other than killing him like.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
He was.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
He was brutal, man, he was fucking brutal.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
He would just be he would just be unleashing a
string of slurs while they pushed his face into the water.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
There were slurs that I still don't even know who
they targeted.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Like, you're like, I could have sworn I heard Hans solo.
He was to try to insult random puppets and the.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Star was Chewbacca Grandpa. Who the fuck are chewbaccas?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh my god, you know how those teeth sharpeners are, Like, what,
what the fuck is that? Dude?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
There's more though, they're talking about that infamous Hulk Hogan
coming out selling real American beer with Jimmy Hart wave
in the.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Flag a couple months before he died, he had his
final entrance into the ring and he was booed.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
We walk into a oh my god, we walked into
a firestorm. But boy, California didn't have any bit of
it that night.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well let me tell you something, brother, And so the
more boost we got, the more waving that flag was.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Left dar to him. Emotionally, yes, just devastating.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Im immensely that night because that was his base, those
were his fans, that was his home, poor guy, or really.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Did I was appalled by it?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Of course, someone who had.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
You oh, that was Goldberg.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
That was Goldberg. That was Goldberg. That's said that. Oh
fucking shut up, Goldberg, funk out of here. By the way,
I I just want to say, before you get back
that Goldberg thing him, I was disgusted with that. Okay, well,
what if there was a guy that said a whole
bunch of ship about Jewish people? Would you would would
you be happy about that?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Nobody said anything Jewish people?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, yes, good, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Everybody loves the Jews.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
To pac A Park there. Oh yeah, everybody loves them.
Fun out of here reacted to that. Well, it wasn't
set up.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
Probably, I'm sure he was probably despondent after that.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
How do you feel when you heard that? I was angry? Why?

Speaker 8 (40:10):
You know, we've known the Sugar for a lifetime professionally,
I in personally and setting up so to speaks Barge
in life superhero and you just let him walk out there.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
He deserves something very.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Very special and more than anyone they owe him.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
It was like, okay, and here comes hull Cover. I
kind of angry, but goes that's not the way that
I would have done it, and he deserved much more.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Fucking ghool he.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Thinks that, Yeah, Vince, Fince things said Hull Cogan wasn't
presented properly. And I do remember me and you even
talking about that too, that they did just kind of
throw him out there. You know, it happened just in
the middle for almost no reason. But I don't know
if I agree with the statement that the fans o
Hul Coke and I don't think the fans oh Hulk shit.

(40:59):
I don't think anybody owes Hulk shit. Hulk has made
plenty of money because of the fans. Vince has made
plenty of money because of Hulk Hogan and the fan base.
I don't know where that entitlement comes from with Vince
that he feels like the fan base should have been
nice because they all owe Hulk Hogan for the years

(41:19):
of entertainment that he's given them.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You know, by the way, does this fucking melty faced
Marionette freak fucking remember when what was it five ten
years ago when he did that interview on the Austin
Show and he are entitled millennials, Oh yeah, or they're
entitled or they're all showing titles. Guess what, Vince, These

(41:43):
people fucking there, they're not entitled or should I say,
Hogan's not entitled to a fucking cheer from them? Oh
titled to be nice to a guy who's a piece
of shit.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Let me let me throw this out here too, because
money is king and the chat also throws up an
alternative to what Vince said. Maybe he felt that the
company should have done it better, that the company owed
Hulk better than to just throw him out there in
the middle of it. Maybe, but I don't think the
company knew that the fan base was just going to
immediately boo him, you know what I mean? Like, I

(42:20):
what did the company do wrong by sending Hogan out there?
He had the big Titan tron behind him, Dude. They
hired little Jimmy Hart to come out there with the
flag like he was coming out there selling his product.
It was a commercial. It wasn't even a real promo.
It was supposed to be a commercial like when they're
selling like mascara and shit now or fucking chicken wings.

(42:42):
Like that's all it was. It was a product placement spot.
And he decided to do it live, and WWE wanted
him to do it live, and Real American Beer wanted
him to do it Live, So that's what happened. I
don't think it was leading. I don't think anybody believed
in the company or even in the fan base that
hul Cogan was coming out there to challenge somebody for

(43:04):
a match, like it had nothing to do with the show.
It was its own entity. So I don't know how
the company could have done better, Like it's Pollock placement.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
What the fuck do you expect? Yeah, he came out
to do an infomercial. Yeah I can, we can we stop?
And dude, by the way, once again, I have a
done about fucking had it with the boomer generation completely,
just done fucking had it with these people to where
they're just baffled. Yeah, baffled at the fact that they

(43:37):
can act like complete rotten pieces of shit, make no
effort to make any of it right with anybody ever,
and then they're like, oh, where's my respect? Oh why
aren't people nicer to me? Cause you don't fucking you
don't deserve it, you didn't earn shit. Oh, thirty years ago,

(44:00):
I was a pro wrestler for you guys. Do you
remember how important I was to you? No, I'm twenty five.
I only remember when you were being a fucking racist
piece of shit. So fuck you, boo, I paid my
five hundred dollars for the seat, boo, Like, it's such
fucking it's such bullshit.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
It's a sign of the times. Though, it's very accurate
that you say the boomer generation, because if you go
back to it, how did Hulkogan look at his dad
or his grandfather? Was there reverence? There was he respected
no matter what he was the elder of the Hogan household,
of the Bolea household like I'm I'm sure that the

(44:42):
way hul Cogan was treated or had to treat his
folks was very different than the way people are treated
today at his age. And the reason was is because
you just automatically took the elder's word at face value.
If they said do something, you said, how high right? Like?
It was just it was those idioms that came out.
And now with the world being way more connected, with

(45:05):
people being more connected because of social media and everything else,
I don't think that those same rules apply. I think
that there's a disconnect between the way that you know,
hul Hogan's generation was raised versus the way kids today
are raised. And I don't even necessarily think that it's
just strictly an age issue, but it's kind of the
way that society culturally, as a country, even or even globally,

(45:29):
we've just kind of evolved. Our opinions and the ways
that we've done things one hundred years ago don't necessarily
match the way things are done today.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I don't even think it's a matter of like what
the opinion is or any of this. It doesn't even
need to go that deep. I just think that if
you were routinely not a person who merits respect from
people and is patternly disrespectful to others, you don't get

(45:59):
to piss and moan when people aren't respectful to you.
That's it's just not that fucking hard to understand. And yeah,
maybe that's like a boomer once again, a boomer older
generation thing. It's like, I've been alive on this planet longer,
so you gotta be fucking nice to me. Suck a dick. No,

(46:20):
I don't fuck off who made these fucking rules they did.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's what I'm saying is they did major rules.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Mother. Yeah, it's like and now you're dead fuck off,
Like I don't. I'm just so confused by But then again,
Vince is an eighty year old with charges of shitting
on a fucking thirty year old girl's head with his scary,
lumpy face and his voice of death, and he's sitting there.
I can't believe. I can't believe anybody who Yeah, Vince,

(46:51):
I can't believe you were taking dumps on a woman's head.
Shut the fuck upright are you? Are you really in
a place to lecture people on respecting decency, Go fucking
rotten a hole, fuck off? Like I'm just I'm just
so sick of and disgusted by these fucking people and
a lot of what goes on with what you see

(47:12):
with these people in these older generations, and honest to God,
at this point, I'm a fucking middle aged guy. If
I'm a complete piece of shit and I'm an asshole
to people, If I had children and I treated them
poorly and I didn't try to communicate with them, and
everybody that knew me through whatever public thing I was
nasty and rotten and awful, I wouldn't be like, excuse me,

(47:33):
where's my applause? Right, where's my applause? Where's my where's
my love? Why? And I being loved?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
But their generation was taught that their generation was taught
that these these older people, these methodolahs, are pretty much
what everybody is supposed to listen to. They set the laws,
they set the morals, they set the the ethics of
their community. And whether the community is just a family tree,
or it's a neighborhood, or it's a whole fucking that's

(48:01):
what Hulk Hogan was expected. That's what Hulk Hogan expected.
He expected the world to kind of cow tau to
his will. I think that's why he ultimately told so
many tall tales too. I don't necessarily think it was
because he liked spinning lies, although maybe that was a
part of it too, But I think it was to
try and build this larger than life character that had

(48:23):
already been built up and keep it going, and just
keep it going, and just kind of involve himself in
every aspect of history. We had this discussion when we
were talking about it when Hulk Hogan first passed. I'm like, dude,
the first thing that's gonna happen is all the weirdest
stories that may or may not be true that Hulk

(48:44):
Hogan said will now become solidified in internet. Fact, people
will retell them as facts, even though the people that
know better knew that it was bullshit all along, and
his legacy is going to be nothing but lies. But
to the next generation and the generation after that, they're
gonna talk about the time that they listen to a
recording of fucking all Cocona Metallica. You know, It's just

(49:07):
it's it's one of those things where it's this built
up identity that now that I'm older, I am the
voice of all of these people that are underneath me.
And that doesn't play well in a world that can
fact check you. That doesn't play well in a world
that can that can have their morals and their ethics
judged by their peers. It just doesn't help it anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Oh, it's that anders also and let's not let's not
you know, kind of scape by this point too as well.
The people the older generation at this point, they haven't
exactly done a great fucking job of leaving a decent
world behind in their wake. Can we just be real
about that where there's this idea of so I earned

(49:52):
your respect, and I blaze the trail, and you're like,
blaze the trail for what Everything's Yeah, but here's the
thing with Dogan do anything, you know, Like I mean,
we've we've.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Felt that there was no wrestling. I forgot there was
somebody that came out and somebody can probably fill in
the blanks. But but basically, even I think even during
this documentary might have been said that there was no
wrestling without Hulkgan. Like that statement alone is insane and absurd,
you know, and it's like, well, I think Stephen Richards
and James were even talking about that too. The absurdity

(50:28):
of that. It's like, oh what, there was no Andre
the Giant, there was no Stan Hanson, there was no
Terry Funk, there was no like these people didn't exist
in the world of wrestling. If there was no Hull Cogan,
there would be no wrestling. But these are the kinds
of stories that people will tell and the next generation
will believe that shit. And that's where his his I
guess you want to say, belief of or entitlement to

(50:52):
people's respect comes from from people that say things like
that about hul Cogan.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Right, but there's still, like I said here that from Vince.
Once again, it just shows you, it just really goes
to fucking show you this the mindset of a group
or a generation of people almost And I don't want
to generalize because clearly, like I know people who are

(51:18):
you know some people that are decent in my family,
I know people who are older who aren't. This. Then again,
Hull Coogan and Vince McMahon are obviously extreme cases, but
there really is something too. A guy who right now
has completely lost his life's work because he's a fucking

(51:38):
disgusting deviant, like he didn't lose his This is not
some story of the old man who's living in the
house and the kids come in and throw them in
the nursing homes because so they can sell away his
fucking two family and move to Florida. You know what
I mean. That's not the story here. This guy has

(51:59):
more money than God, had everything set up for him,
could have done whatever he wanted, wherever he wanted for
the rest of his fucking life, and screwed up. And
in a way, don't kid yourself, Vince McMahon, when he's
saying that about Hulk, he's saying that about him. He
knows that he knows he's in that same exact boat

(52:19):
where if he walked out there, the people aren't going
to stand up and go, oh my god, Vince, thank you,
thank you, Vince for everything you did for wrestling. Vince, Oh,
thank you, You're a legend. You did so many wonderful,
amazing things. They would boo him too, And Vince knows
now at this point there's a very good chance that

(52:41):
he's going to go into the crownd fucking disgraced. And
what he saw with Hulk with a little he got
to look through the peepole of a life that could
be his if he even had the opportunity to do that.
There's yeah, does that make sense? No, of course absolutely.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Vince McMahon is facing the same demons that hull Cogan has.
He's facing the scrutiny of his actions, and he wants
people to forgive his actions based upon the legacy that
he's left behind for wrestling. And one hand does not
wash the other. It just doesn't. People can still respect
hul Cogan's body of work and at the same time

(53:21):
think he's an absolute piece of shit and be done
with him. People can respect what Vince McMahon did for
WWE and think he's an absolute piece of shit for
the way that he treated women. It's one hand does
not wash the other, it just doesn't. I kind of
wanted to move this over to there's a few other
topics I want to hit to. Carrying Cross did an
amazing I think like almost an hour with Ariel Hawane,

(53:43):
And there was a point where he was talking about
different things. He was talking about aw and he was
also talking about his infamous promo with Sam Roberts, the
one that pretty much got him in trouble, and he
was talking about how it went down, the execution of it,
how people enjoy and then he was talking about.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
The snag and I let everybody know, let's make sure
this is somewhat protected from the audience, but let everyone
know internally that this is a work, because not every
department is constantly in lockstep communication with one another. So
I told everybody that sure enough, not everybody knew.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
That that was a work.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
You think it backfired, Well, I can't say that it backfired,
but people were very upset with it because they thought
it was real.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
When you see people specifically.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Like higher ups I'll say higher ups, they.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Were offended or did they feel like you were too aggressive?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Like higher ups is code for triple H By the way, sorry.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
What could they have been upset.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
How do How would a wrestling lifeer see that and
be like, yeah, that's too far, or you cross the line, or.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Is this real or not.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
I don't want to speak on behalf of them, but
this is what I will say about it. So, a
lot of everything that you see goes through the creative process.
It goes through a team. I was under the impression
that we were doing something improvisationally and it was okay.
But like I said, sometimes the communication is not in
lockstep with each other. So no one told them that
this was a work. No one said I shook everybody's hands,

(55:04):
I gave make it a hug before I left. Like
so they were under the impression like a week goes
by that you know, I flipped out, So like I
one day, I waited for Hunter outside of the production meeting.
Once it was actually brought my attention that he was
not okay with it, and I explained everything to him.
No one told him anything, So as far as I know,
at that point, we were good. But everyone was under

(55:25):
the impression. A lot of people like I just lost
my mind. I was just trying to do my job.
That's my job that day was to make people believe
like any other day.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And yeah, so here we're in a situation where Cross
has an amazing promo that he did on the Sam
Roberts Show, and it was cutting edge, It was a
Brian Pillman esque. It was you know, it was it
was very Devil's Advocate ask. It was Joey Stiles losing
his mind. It was in the sampunk vein where Carrying

(55:54):
Cross dropped his own pipe bomb, and he said the
things that he did about you know, the company and
everything else. And he even stated even before this clip
that when it happened, everybody was given him high fives.
They're like, holy shit, dude, Like they completely enjoyed the
promo for what it was and they understood. And he
went on to say, as you heard that, you know, look,

(56:15):
I just wanted to make sure that everybody knows this
is part of the show. And Triple H never knew.
Triple H thought it was real. And now he doesn't
really go into that, but do you think that there's
a potential that and this is also on the heels
of you directly saying, look, Triple H is petty, Triple
H has petty ideas. Do you think that this might
be the reason why Cross is potentially not signed with

(56:39):
WWE right now, because I know we thought that, oh,
it's a chance to give him the break for the
book deal. He's doing the book tour and stuff, which
he's doing. He's doing a shit ton of podcasts Crosses
everywhere right now, and he's talking to everybody very candidly.
He's opening up about things. He's also very open about
the idea of returning to WWE. He's not closing the

(57:00):
door on WWE. Doesn't have any ill will or ill
feelings about the company. But when you hear stuff like this,
do you think this is what put the nail in
the coffin for why they didn't negotiate, why they didn't
correctly negotiate. I guess this is the best way to
say it, because they gave him like the twenty four
hour lead or whatever, and he didn't have a chance
to review the information, and then they just pulled the deal.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Honestly, I don't even know what play he's a big
part into any of this at all. I still ultimately
feel like we're going to see this dude come back
at the Rumble or some pay per view closer than that.
And a lot of this is to just drum up
interest and talk and hearsay. Yeah. That's more so my

(57:44):
guess of this entire thing, because truly, if that was
a promo where they were like, oh my god, Triple
H took that seriously, let's suppose he did. Then in
my mind, I'm going, so, this guy can't send one
fucking text, can't send one text like Triple H just
hear something like that. Yeah, I think this guy just

(58:04):
wants to blow up his entire fucking career for no reason.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
So you think it's Cross's fault that Cross should have
been the one oka, No, No.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I just think that like in that situation, if Triple
H was like, oh, he's serious right now, it's like,
I don't know what since send the guy a text
right in that moment, and we can't continue to play
this game too. To some extent, and I'm not blaming
this strictly on Cross, but I'm going to talk about
it as like systemically a thing in wrestling at this

(58:33):
point on television Earth. It's this whole idea of it
being like we're gonna just work. Shoot, I'm work shooting
with you, brother, working, and the shooting and the working
and the shooting and it's like that communication needs to
be there, yes, but the maturity also has to be
there by all of the people involved in the business
to not take any of the shit personally. That can't

(58:55):
be a thing if you want to be like, oh, yeah,
we're all playing this game where it's like I'm gonna
make fun of you and I'm gonna shit on you,
but I'm gonna talk about your wife, I'm gonna talk
about your family, I'm gonna talk like if you want
to play that game, then all of you need to
be mature enough to know that at any point that's
just not serious, do you know what I mean? Like,

(59:17):
it's it's just in the same way that friends and
adults can roast each other, they can pick on each other,
they can talk shit, they can say this kind of
stuff if they're in a place of trust and maturity
and know it doesn't hold weight. But if you're young
or sensitive to that type of shit, or you don't

(59:39):
know that person or you don't trust where they're coming
from with it, it's like that's on it's kind of
on you in that moment, And yeah, if this is
what wrestling wants to become, where they want to have
like this little return to this go oh, we're gonna
have this case. Okay, Well, then we're all gonna be
on board with the fact that sometimes someone might go

(01:00:00):
on a podcast, or somebody might go on a radio show,
or somebody might go to this place or that place
and say something and it might have no bearing on
the truth of that person's real feelings or not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You see what I'm saying, Like I do, and I agree,
it's basically, you know, don't shit where you eat, keep
everything separate. But I don't know how Triple H runs
things like. We know that Vince McMahon was almost seen
as cold in a lot of his decisions because he
kept things close to the vest, the things that were

(01:00:32):
personal to him versus the business that happened on the show.
But I don't know if Triple H is that same guy.
I mean, he can try and walk in Vince McMahon's footsteps,
but first off, is that really the steps you want
to follow, because it's not like Vince didn't make a
shit ton of mistakes along the way himself. And second off,
I mean, even looking at the Unreal documentary, and I

(01:00:55):
hate to keep referencing this, but the way that Triple
H conducts himself seems like he's trying to be very
emotionally connected with everyone. I mean, we saw it with
cm punk, we saw it with Jay Uso, we saw
it with Rhea Ripley. Like this guy comes straight forward
from the heart.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Oh you're the greatest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Sorry, that was my bread voice, Jesus, you know you're
the greatest thing. Like he just goes into these these
long necked, you know, heartfelt connections with these people. Like
Ria Ripley was doubting herself and Triple H came over
there and bolstered her opinion and made her feel like
a million dollars. And he's doing things on a level

(01:01:35):
that I don't think Vince McMahon ever fucking did. I
can't see Vince McMahon coming out there to ultimate warror
and go, what's wrong, buddy, you know, like it's just
it's it's not happening that way. And so when it
comes to this idea that Triple H may have been offended,
may have been offended by what Cross said, and you're right,
maybe Cross should have reached out, But maybe fucking Triple

(01:01:58):
H should have reached out if he's this big, personable guy.
Why didn't Triple H go, dude, what the fuck was that?
I thought we were boys? Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
And then if Cross turned around and said, no, dude,
it's just a bit. I was doing this for the show.
I'm surprised nobody told you. Look, I'm trying to generate interest,
blah blah blah. Like you're right, it's weird to me.
For a guy who seems so communicative when it comes
to this unreal documentary, Cross is telling the exact same

(01:02:28):
or the exact opposite story that there was no communication,
that he went by a week, and even to further
the point of Cross, Cross found out that even after
Triple H supposedly didn't like it, that they thought they
were still cool, so there was no clarification of what
went wrong either. It was literally a twofold mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I think I'm gonna just throw just a weird kind
of sure, you know, based on nothing, potential little conspiracy
out of my stupid little face right now. But is
there a possibility, assuming that there's any sort of reality
to this whatsoever, that maybe Triple H has just just

(01:03:09):
just a smidge of jealousy or envy towards a guy
like Cross. Oh god, have you seen scarlet? That's yeah,
that's what I'm saying, Like hot, go mommy. Yeah. And
there's people that would say, I mean, come on, the
guy's got a you know, a zillion dollars and blah
blah blah blah blah. I don't know, man. If you're

(01:03:31):
some guy you're into your fifties, you fucking you had
a heart attack. You can't do shit. You can't do
You think he wants to be in the back fucking
giving people hugs or would he rather be in the
ring beating the shit out of people finger quote beating
the shit out?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Oh of course. But I mean, look, the heart attack,
the heart issues, right, prevent that. And I think there
was even there was something that happened at one of
these shows that a raw or something like that, and
Triple H came out and the fans did the whole
one more match thing, right, and I think he responded
with something along the lines of, yeah, I could have
one more match, but it would be my last. And

(01:04:08):
it wasn't like, oh, it'd be my last match because
I'm retiring. No, it was more in the vein of
it'll be my last because I won't make it, and
it really kind of set the tone for understanding where
Triph's health is. So when you say something like would
he rather be out in the ring, of course he
fucking would. Of course he would. But it's a different

(01:04:28):
time and he's a different age, and he has different
kinds of responsibilities. Dude, he doesn't just have a wife.
He has a wife and three kiddos like he is.
He's got the full package and a whole company to
basically run. Like I mean, at some point you can
sit there and say, maybe he's jealous of Cross. Maybe
he's jealous of Cross his potential. Maybe he sees the

(01:04:49):
way that Cross carries himself and looks back on his
own career and which wishes that he could have done
or had the opportunities that Cross does. Maybe it's his wife.
I said that, you know, tongue in cheek is just
a fucking a silly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
That's a part of it, that it's possible, but it's
it's you're looking at a guy who's years younger than you.
He's got to shit together, you know what I mean.
He's getting some level of respect once again for people
he might I don't even want to say might, because
Triple H has always seemingly kind of had that thing

(01:05:24):
where he has, for lack of a better term, crushes
on other wrestlers. Yeah, am I wrong? No? Does he
not have his little crushes where he's like, like, this
person's so cool and I wish I was, And you know,
he's thinking like, oh if only, oh, man, if I
was younger and cool, maybe I could be like this guy.
I'd be choking people out too, kicking their ass and

(01:05:47):
getting babes like. That's probably a part of his mind
still where he's still got that in him. And yeah,
I guess I can see how you might get to that.
But like I said, this is just me pontificating. I
have zero I have zero fucking concept of if that's true.

(01:06:07):
But when it all no, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
You're taking the logic. You're taking the logic the middle
aged man going through changes physically and otherwise, who was
a very dominant, testosterone fueled individual back in his heyday
and probably sees guys like Cross who have a great physique,
has a gorgeous wife and has a great promo and
a great fucking match and all of these things and

(01:06:32):
probably does look at him, and I see Brian Wright
saying or not Brian right, the Brian right, the other
Brian right, the other white meat saying jealous of Cross?
Weren't he the one of Triple H's boys? And NXC sure, absolutely,
he probably looked at Cross and saw blue Chiper all
the way and rightfully.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
So it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It's one of those things that I think I agree
with Joey on this that yeah, I mean, you can't
take away the idea that he is a fifty year
old dude. He is that middle aged midlife crisis mode, right,
and he does have all these things that are holding him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Back in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
But he has a lot of responsibilities and a lot
of life that he's already lived. I think everybody goes
through it, and I think that's really what it is.
But when it comes to Triple H, when you have
that much responsibility, he can't do what Vince McMahon did.
We heard all about the womanizing that Vince did in
his fifties, so it's not like anybody's shocked when the

(01:07:28):
whole case comes around with him doing horrible shits women like.
He was always kind of known as a womanizer and
him and Linda had a horrible marriage because of things
like that. I don't think Triple A. I don't think
Stephanie would ever allow Triple H to be that, to
be that man, and I think, right, I don't think
that they have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
That she dropped him out the fucking window like Fred
Flinstone did to the fucking say yeah, tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
She should get one of those Caveman Wilma clubs and
just crack him over the back of the head. You
get one of those little cartoon lumps and some birdies
and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
You know, I don't know, and like, this is not
something that I can you know, I'm not a fucking psychologist.
I'm not a psychiatrist. I haven't studied this. But I
think to myself sometimes, you know, is it harder to
age as Okay, would it be harder to age in
life having at some point been Arnold Schwartz and anger?

(01:08:26):
Is that harder to age as an Arnold Schwarzenegger than
it is than Arnold the Mechanic Because Arnold the Mechanic
is just like part of his life, you know, Arnold
Swarzenger Still that made yeah, Oh that's yeah, Oh god,
that's I forgot about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
It, right, Like he's not innocent either, Like he had
a midlife crisis and that's how he dealt with it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So yeah, oh, I mean not even just the you know,
physical or sexual aspect of it, but just psychologically right,
like you, at one point you were this guy. You
were this fucking statue human. You know, you were this
Greek god and now you're just some older guy with
a dead dick. The people just kind of look at

(01:09:08):
and give the thumbs up to and you know, you
got you know, oh hey, may I want to bring
you a coffee? Like no, I have heartburn. Like it's
just now you're just there right, But at once, at
once you were a man flipping cars, as opposed to Arnold,
a mechanic who you were just fixing the cars. And
it's like I have my fucking hands, heart and fat whatever,

(01:09:29):
you know, Like it's just what mentally, you know, what
happens to you? What's going to be different with that?
And yeah, if you were Triplation at one point, your
entire life was based around you creating this image of
yourself that was completely self relating, with motorcycles and fire
and skulls and long hair and giant steroided muscles, and

(01:09:51):
everybody bouted the king. I'm a king, I'm the King
of all the kings, which, by the way, I'm not
even a religious person, but motherfucker's call himself Christ. You
know Christ. Now, all of a sudden, you're just some
fifty fucking sonn year old guy. Yeah, I know, I remember, right,
if you move too fast you might pass out, like

(01:10:14):
you're somebody that people are helping you get out of
a chair. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. It
doesn't do great for your brain. I can imagine that
can make you feel a certain kind of way at
some at some points, maybe not the best well, but
you know that's that's sometimes also why there's a difference
between Sometimes the most successful coaches are the guy that

(01:10:35):
never fucking made it as opposed to the guy that
was Michael Jordan. And now Michael Jordan's got to look
at a twenty two year old and be like, well,
he's not me, right, He'll never be me. You say
what I'm saying, like, yeah, he's not as good as
I am, right, I was like, no, No, there's no humility.
There's no humility in a guy like Triple Ah because

(01:10:56):
of that. I wonder if he'll ever be able to
achieve in a way that somebody that has that could well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Speaking of you know, the attachments there with Vince McMahon.
There's another piece of news too. Bubba was on on
Busted Open and he was talking a little bit about
John Cena's retirement match.

Speaker 10 (01:11:18):
Sena's last match will be in Boston, or his last
appearance will be in Boston. People are going to be
crying their eyes out for John's retirement. It's going to
be a very emotional night. People will be very very happy,
tears of joy, a little bit of sadness. And Vince
is the guy that gave John his opportunity. Stephanie is

(01:11:42):
the one who truly gave John his opportunity because she
heard him rapping in the back of the tour bus.
John and Vince have remained friends through everything. E Vince
were to come out in that moment to give John
his final farewell, I think the people would like to
see that, or would embrace it, because it's Vince McMahon's

(01:12:04):
WWE that John Cena was the face of for the
longest time. He was the face of ruthless aggression, the
biggest baby face in the company during Vince McMahon's time.
I think they could ride that wave.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
I think it's fucking idiotic. I mean, what is that play?
I mean, is that clear? I that's the That's fucking
the stupidest thing I've fucking ever heard. Come on, dude,
I mean, I I know I've had disagreels or disagreements,
a lot of fucking disagreels with that guy in the past,
and he's been a dil do and he's always come
off as a dildo when a lot of people would

(01:12:40):
call him a dildo. But that's just fucking dumb. What
a dumb do you really think in that moment, John Cena,
mister clean, squeaky fucking clean John Cena, is gonna walk
away from this company and go do whatever it is
random comedy movies and kids movies. Chrysler Commercials wants to

(01:13:02):
show up at the Boss at the fucking Boston Garden
for his last night of pro wrestling with head Shitter.
You think that's what he wants? Do you think that's
what people want? Is this guy for real? I mean, honestly,
but I'm assuming that the vast majority of people that
have heard this have called him a fucking idiot. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Bubba comes off like, look, I kind of agree with
him with about Stephanie, right. I think Stephanie and John's
relationship has always kind of been forthcoming. And Bubba's not
wrong when you classify it as John Cena and Vince
McMahon made a lot of money together. Of course they did.
But I'm kind of in your vein here. I think

(01:13:40):
the idea of putting somebody so controversial because there are
still a lot of people that defend Vince McMahon. They
defend him against the Janelle Grant stuff, and there's a
lot of weird back and forth, especially considering that this
case is still ongoing, that there are people that are
defending Vince and kind of victim blaming. Although, but when
it comes to Janelle Grant and so, you're going to

(01:14:03):
have this moment of purity, and that's really what it is.
It's going to be a big farewell. It's going to
be everybody in tears. I agree with Bubba on that.
I think there will be a lot of die hard
fans that will pay a lot of money to be
at the Boston Garden to see the last John Cena match.
His final farewell, and to have Stephanie out there doesn't

(01:14:23):
ruin that moment. I think it enhances it. I think
people know the relationship between the two, but trucking Vince
McMahon out there with those complicated feelings from the fans
would only tarnish that goodbye moment with John Cena. Even
if Bubba's right in every other aspect of it about
how close their relationship is, how financially they've depended on

(01:14:47):
each other, how much better both of their lives are
because they've been involved in it, the reality is is
Vince McMahon would tarnish that moment because people do not
agree on the way they feel about Vince McMahon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Now, let me see if I can make anything resembling
an apt comparison in this situation. Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle
has been a smoker for a real long time, right,
that's part of his gimmick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So let's
let's go with Chappelle, because I think I got this
an app comparison here. So Chappelle finds out, God forbid,
he's got something wrong with his throat, He's gonna end

(01:15:23):
up with one of those voicebox gimmicks, and he has
to say, well, I guess I'm gonna retire from stand
up right, you know. So before he goes in to
get the tree gyotomy, he has one last show and
he says, you know what I'm gonna do for this
last show, just to make sure I'm gonna bring out
a hero of mine, Bill Cosby. Come on out, pal,

(01:15:44):
come wave to the people, because I wouldn't be here
without you. Man, I can't do it anymore. But the people,
you know, they know me, and I couldn't have made
all this money without the inspiration of Bill Cosby. And
then well, hex, he turns out people are real pissed
about it. Gee, I wonder why. I mean, that's fucking

(01:16:07):
dumb like him saying that, Like I get it once again.
You do a lot of hours of talking about wrestling,
do a lot of hours of talking about anything. You're
gonna say some stupid shit. It's gonna happen. We've all
done it. We've all made fools of ourselves. We've all
had some sort of comment that we look back and
we could, you know, we wish we could take that
one back. But this guy thinking in his fucking head

(01:16:29):
for John Cena's last match, that they should bring out
fucking Bill Cosby to wave him off. What are you
out of here? What are you fucking high on? Crack?
The hell happened to you? Is he nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I think Bill, Bill? Sorry, I think Bubba's just too
close to the flame sometimes, Oh oh god, do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
You know what I mean? Like in this the flame
on a crack pipe, I oh fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I think he's looking at this from the half glass
full standpoint. And I do that a lot myself. But
I think in this scenario, you really have to weigh
out what's being pressed against Vince McMahon. If Vince McMahon
didn't have this pending case, if Vince McMahon, you know,
wasn't in a lawsuit for you know, what he did
to another human being, I think this would be a

(01:17:14):
completely different conversation. But you can't ignore that. You can't
ignore the way people view Vince McMahon. It's kind of
like you can't ignore the way that people looked at
Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
There was a lot of great things that hul Cogan did,
absolutely in and out of the ring. Especially out of
the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Did a lot of makeup wishes, did a lot of charities, absolutely,
but that moment defined how they viewed Hulk Hogan. And
by that moment, you know what I mean. But by
that moment, it defined the way people looked at Vince
McMahon too. And if you're going to take something like
the retirement of John Cena, who a lot of these
fans were raised with, he is there, Hull Hogan, and

(01:17:55):
you are going to mar that with a political figure,
and by political I mean you know, contra virtual and
have him in the ring regardless of their relationship, You're
not doing John Cena any favors. I would think that
more so than anybody else. John Cena would be the
one like, uh, maybe another time, maybe we can do
something together afterwards, you know, maybe I'll see you at

(01:18:15):
the after party. But to do it in that moment,
I don't know. I really don't. I don't think that's
the right way to go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
The Wiggles are breaking out, breaking up, you know what
I mean, Like I just they don't have to. They
don't have it in him anymore, the Wiggles, they can't
keep going on doing these songs. Let's bring out R Kelly.
Let's say that R Kelly come out, and you know,
send the Wiggles off in style. What are we doing here? Yeah?
For sure? What is what is the mindset in that
moment of bubba other than I think you're probably right

(01:18:46):
just being so deeply in some sort of WWE bubble
I guess you could call it that or whatever would be.
And somebody said it in the chat room. They were like,
this is propaganda, and I'm like, you know, maybe you're
Maybe somebody in the company was like, let's test these waters, right,
Let's see what happens. Let's see what people say to that.

(01:19:07):
And it's like, for you to think people are gonna
say anything other than what I'm saying, You're not wrong.
There are some people that are still barking up that
tree of being like, come on, Vince, No, he hasn't
been nothing now blah blah blah blah blah. But there
is an ikey, there is a true ikeyness to it
that it is really absurdly fucking delusional to think that

(01:19:30):
would go any way other than really poorly. Yeah, and
I mean just as like a caveat to it, talk
about overshadowing John Cena too.

Speaker 11 (01:19:39):
Oh yeah, absolutely, this is his moment. Yeah, that's his moment, dude, Right,
that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
But I think it's the controversy that would overshadow John Cena,
not even Vince McMahon. If we talked about Vince McMahon
at any other point, I think it would be an
important and it would be a nice moment. I think
if Stephanie goes out there, it'll be a nice moment
for John Cena. But Vince McMahon me, yes, with court
case and everything else. Yeah, No, it's you're right, it overshadows.
It'll be the people's opinion of seeing Vince McMahon out

(01:20:07):
there hugging John c and I assume, you know, maybe
even shedding tears. So no, I agree with you there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Have you ever seen the movie Big Fish? Did you
ever see that movie? Oh? It's a long time ago.
Do Yeah, Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies. I
love It's beautiful film the way there is this, right, yeah, guy, Yeah,
just a wonderful film where everybody, you know, he's the
end of his life and he's going in and he's
passing away and everybody's ever If that's the moment we
can create for John Cena, then that's fucking fantastic. Yeah.

(01:20:36):
But if he has a last match and outwalks this
fucking eighty year old sex predator ghoul to give him
a fucking hug at a high five. Why yeah, let
me out here too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
So real quick update. So earlier the week, one of
the things that Dave was talking about among other people
was at his retirement match for Boston could go head
to head with Aw's Worlds and pay per view, and
apparently the update right The update is is that after
asking around about the rumor dates for his last match,
NBC's preferred choice is Saturday night, December thirteenth instead December

(01:21:13):
twenty seventh remains an option, but unlikely because NBC already
has an NFL contractual obligation with an exclusive game on
Peacock that night, and they'd rather not compete with themselves
crazy thought. According to source Thoughts, While twelve twenty seven
does line up with the World's End pay per view,

(01:21:33):
something WWE could and apparently would like to counter, sources
doubt that I'll be chosen because of the NFL obligations
on NBC's part, which makes sense if NBC has the
opportunity to air Johnsena's retirement or a football game Let's
be honest. The football game is gonna win every fucking time.
It's sad, but it's true. The NBC is going to

(01:21:56):
make more money off the football game, even though I
would assume that Johnsona's retirement match is going to spike
the ratings as the fans like to say, so right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
But that's it is that what if this runs alongside
the aw World's Collide pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
That's why I said it's a Dave Meltzer thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I know, it's so fun. Just man, Just imagine anybody
sitting there going, oh man, what swerves Strickland and the
Cowboy and there's fifty seventh death match? Oh dude, Oh
I'm gonna have to choose between that and yeah, John

(01:22:39):
Cena's retirement. Oh dude, what's gonna happen? Kenny Omega and
a Japanese guy I've never seen before my life are
gonna hurt each other for forty five minutes? Ugh man?
Tough tough questions, tough questions. Yeah. No. If I was
Meltzer in that moment, I would be saying to Tony,
how about we don't do with that night?

Speaker 11 (01:23:00):
Yeah it do it the next night? So other night right, yeah,
but Tony doesn't look at things. I mean, it would
be nice if he took that advice, because it seems
like aw is trying to change their image. If WWE
wants to have it on the twenty seventh and they're like, a,
maybe we'll do it on the twenty eighth, do that,
nobody's going to be upset. But I don't know, man,

(01:23:23):
It's it's all weird politics when it comes to this
wweaw thing, and it's it's not even equal at this point.
I want to hit a couple more things before we
get ready to get out of here. A little bit
extra of a long show. So's the Stephanie McMahon podcast
What's Your Story? She was having on Naomi and the
Big geem Oose and it was about two hours I think, right, yeah,

(01:23:44):
two hours in a minute obviously a minute for Stephanie
to talk about surf Shark VPN code named steph for
four months of free VPN no reason, just a random sponsor.
Has nothing to do with all the streaming services that
WWE's going through right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
No, no, apparently we're on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
I know that's crazy. I think she even mentioned that
this week too, She's like, I don't know, guys, this
surf shark VPN nonsense was code named Stephanie might be
worth a code named Steph. Not even Stephanie. I made
the mistake last time. It's just Steph. There. She's casual
like that. It's not even Stephanie, just Steph.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
She's chill like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, yeah, she's chill with her pro pirrating software. See
what she puts on the ipatch. She's no longer Stephanie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
She just Steph. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
She had on Naomi and I first off, really good,
really good sit down interview. So it was different than
the the four hours that she did with John Cena
last week, which was real. It was it was an
emotional roller coaster. If you didn't get a chance to
see it was like three hours. But it really was
like a lot of real depth between John Cena and Stephanie.

(01:24:54):
I fucking loved it. If you ever wanted to know
how Stephanie really feels about things, I urge you to
go back and check it out. I'm really just plugging
the show this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
But they hit the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Home run again and Naomi and Jim come off the
exact same way that they did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Back during the total Diva stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
They are such a true blue, honest, loving couple. They
explain their humor. They talk about the fact, look, if
they're addressing you and they're mocking you and making fun
of you, that's because they love you. And I know
that's a weird like abusive parent line, but I kind
of believe where they're coming from. They just throw barbs
back and forth because that's their humor and that's the

(01:25:32):
way that their families are and stuff. They talk about
their backgrounds coming up and some of the shit and
one of the things that I wanted to highlight too,
and it was highlighted on Note to Que as well,
but they talked about, or Naomi talked about when she
finally got the fuck out of WWE and how it
actually helped her to leave the company.

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
We have been just going NonStop for years.

Speaker 12 (01:25:54):
Yeah, And I think when the walkout and all of
that happened, I think that was the first time, honestly
in my life where I had the chance to stop, rethink, redefined,
and figure out what I really wanted next, how I wanted,
you know, my life to move forward from this. And
I really like in the beginning struggled trying to process that.
I thought I didn't want to wrestle anymore. I thought

(01:26:15):
I was done. He was also in a different was
very busy, superasy too.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
He was in the thick of blood of bloods we
was cooking, and I was like, man, I mean, I
was getting burned on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Both sides and I can't, I ain't. I could go
home ill. I didn't know what to do.

Speaker 9 (01:26:31):
Fine, and he wasn't. He did such a great job.

Speaker 12 (01:26:34):
But also I had to go through a lot emotionally
and mentally on my own because he had his own
stuff going sure, and that was the first time where
I just had to do the work on myself, and
it was I think it was great.

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
It made me stronger, It relet a fire in me,
and I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Agree with that. And I thought that that was a
real important piece of information because when she left, she
left with Sasha, she did the walkout. There was a
lot of confusion there from the fan base. Obviously, she
did the circuit, ended up in TNA, doing well for
herself well. Obviously, first she ended up in Japan being
the only person that was cheering on Mercedes Monett and
asking her questions. But never mind, that she basically had

(01:27:12):
to fend for herself, and when Mercedes ended up in AW,
Naomi never ended up in AW. That was always a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Thing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
And I don't think anybody ever called it out, and
if they did, it was like probably brushed under the rug.
But Mercedes got all this fucking money, right. I think
we all remember that Tony was like courting her to
try and get her to come into AW for a
while there, especially when she was in Japan, And at
no point I always thought it was weird, And no
point did she throw Naomi a bone and say, hey,

(01:27:43):
bring my girl in with me. She left with me,
you know what I mean. She left the fucking gig
with you, Like I don't know, that's some Opie and
Anthony shit, Like that's some weird Everybody walked out, but
one guy who finally gets the contract doesn't give the
other person a contractor doesn't hire them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
She went out and she hired what was it, her
writers for a million dollars. You're telling me Naomi wouldn't
have worked for a million dollars? Yeah, you know, like
it's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
She's like, I know, here's somebody who's always stuck by
me Jen peppercorn dressing. Right, she's my real best friend
in the whole wide world. It's like, hmmm, wait what,
but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
What That's what really showed me Mercedes Monett's true colors too.
And I can't say everything was bad about it, because
when we went to the TNA show and saw Naomi
in the ring, when she made her debut there, Mercedes
was there. I mean from the visual you thought, oh,
this girl had her own spot at the Ciso Stadium,
like she was being protected by her bodyguards. Like it

(01:28:47):
was like, Okay, I get it. But at some point
you're thinking, oh, well, if you're here to cheer her on,
you're telling me you couldn't have gotten her hired. You're
telling me that Tony Cohm's like, ah, anything but that
Naomi girl working with us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yeah, No, we're too busy hiring six hundred useless fucking
guys off the end's right, you know what I mean?
Like I heard Will Osprey has a friend that we
have to give a quarter of a million dollars that
can't do anything. Yeah, Like, it is a very strange
fucking dynamic there. You can only assume to some extent,

(01:29:20):
that Naomi might have turned it down. That's all I
can think of. Like Tony Khan was like, oh, hey,
yeah you can, Yeah, you could come in too and
choose it. No, I don't really, I'm not really feeling
that that would be my.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah, but for the money too. You know, if she
was going to get a contract from Tony Kah, especially
coming in with Sasha Mercedes, that was gonna be a
money contract. And especially at the time, even if you
said after TNA, after her TNA run, after her run
with the main event, it's like, yeah, why wouldn't you
want this girl that just came from Japan with a

(01:29:54):
belt and Naomi that just came from TNA with a belt, Like,
why wouldn't you want that on your show? It it
felt bizarre to me, almost as if Mercedes was the
one saying, no, don't hire her, hire me, but don't
hire Naomi. And I don't know, speculative fucking shit right there,
but that is really weird to me. And the reason

(01:30:15):
I brought up the Opien Anthony stuff. It's kind of
like when Anthony got fired, right the first time they
all got fired together, they all came back together. It
was it was a unified family. That's what that show was.
And then the second time you found out later on
down the road that Opie's like, nah, just keep Anthony away.
I'll just go ahead and do this show with Jimmy.
And it's real scummy shit. It's real scummy political shit.

(01:30:38):
And as much as you've talked about politics and wrestling
over the years, and I've heard so many other wrestlers
talking about politics over the years and how you don't
really have friends in this business, it always felt to
me that Naomi was one of the victims of that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
You know, Yeah, well this is I think going back
to you know, All's well that ends. Well, I guess
when we stop and think about it, I can only assume.
I can only assume, like I said, that Naomi either
turned that down or there was a part of her
where And I haven't listened to this interview. I don't know.
Did you listen to the whole thing? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:31:14):
I did. Oh, Okay. I was thinking to myself, maybe
there's a point where she might have disclosed where she was,
even like, you know, my little happy year with the
TNA deal. I'm not out working all the time, you know,
I can hang it home a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Talkish flee about that, but it was I mean, this
was pretty much the section of the show. It's around
the beginning, it's around the ten minute mark where she
starts talking about it, but no, she really doesn't embrace
too much about outside of it. It was more talking
about a lot of their relationship, to which I fucking
think they're adorable together. But this was kind of like
it was her wake up call when she left, and

(01:31:47):
I think she was kind of putting it in perspective
if you're reading between the lines, that she had to
survive on her own, which tells me Mercedes Monette wasn't
there to be her rock. Mercedes Monete wasn't there to
be the person that pulled her up by the bootstraps
and said, fuck it, let's do this together. Because that's
the way they left, that's the relationship that they had.
You would think, you know, if one goes down, the

(01:32:09):
other one drags you through, Like that's what this level
of friendship should be, especially when you're turning down the
biggest company in their fucking career slash profession. So when
she was talking about reinventing herself and coming to terms
with herself and redefining herself. She just didn't mean outside
of WWE. I think she meant inside of WWE two.

(01:32:31):
Her latest run with the character proceed with caution. I
mean they made jokes about that too. Everybody thinks it's
campy basically by the way, but they they laugh with
it as to how cool it sounds now. And it
shows that Naomi, given the appropriate light, was able to
succeed under her own merit. So again, once again speculating

(01:32:52):
and reading in between the lines, that tells me that
there was a time that Naomi didn't have that courage,
didn't have that self confidence. Maybe she thought somebody like
a Mercedes Monet bolsted her self confidence and she could
only be Naomi with a Mercedes Monee around, which tells
you that she was going through some shit, which she
talked about later on about her family life and everything else.

(01:33:14):
So it's one of those things where it's like I
only can speculate what she actually means. But if you
look at things face value, that's what this says.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
You know. Well, like I said, I'm just glad that
I'm just glad this worked out for her, you know, Like, yeah,
because I remember at the time when that all went down,
I was like, but is she an idiot? Like I
remember thinking like, what a fucking dumbass she had a
follow this stupid fucking girl, Like she's I just remember

(01:33:46):
thinking to myself when that all went down, like of
the friends that we've all known, are the people that
we've all known, you know, the nice the nice girl
who had the friends who were just assholes and just
kind of sat there was Oh, no, you know, I
know that I know that Jen's an asshole to everybody,
but you know she's still my friend. You know she's

(01:34:09):
not that's not your friend, right and you And it's
one thing when you're doing that when you're in eleventh grade.
It's another thing when you're looking at a thirty year
old or a thirty something year old at that point
you're going, dude, what how, what is wrong? What is wrong?
Something's wrong? Right? Something happened to you? Or like, so
you really are just not thinking right about yourself if

(01:34:31):
you're if you're this age and you're still following these
other people off a fucking you know, if you if
all your friends were to jump off a bridge, would
you do it? And it's like if you're still having
that conversation at thirty something. I'm that's unfortunate. That's really
fucking unfortunate. But I'm glad she has. Like you said,
they're a nice couple.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Oh god, that's dude, Like, it's yeah, we've launched them
on that show. Right, it's not just a TV thing.
They're really this way. And the amount of times that
Jimmy makes everybody fucking laugh is great. He's a charismatic dude.
I know you said it before. I know we've talked
about it before. I dare say think that Jimmy comes

(01:35:12):
off better in the interviews too. He might he might
suffer from Dolph Ziggler disease. He might suffer from that
where he's just fantastic in interviews, but on the promos
it's like our Jomo. Jomo's another guy, fantastic in the
sit down, interviews, charismatic, funny, and then when it came
time to the promo, it's like, where's it missing? Where's

(01:35:32):
the disconnect? But anyways, besides that point, a swollen mustache
asks thoughts on Naomi missing Rob because she might be pregnant.
This was actually taped, I believe on July thirty first,
So that was the first thing that all of us
were looking for when we were watching this. When it
first dropped, I know I was. I was like, okay,
and they opened it. They opened it cold, which was

(01:35:55):
even more wild. So there was no like, hey, welcome
to Stephanie's podcast. It's me and my co oh, like,
none of that. They just opened it right up in
a conversation. I kind of like that even more. I
think Stephanie is the machine, is learning and getting better,
and it felt like you literally just walked in on
a conversation with four people having a good time. But

(01:36:17):
this was taking July thirty first, so this was before
Naomi didn't show up for RAW. I didn't in listening
to it, and there were points where I was kind
of half listening, to be fair. At no point did
the radar go off about her talking about being potentially
pregnant or anything else like that. So I don't know.
It's still unknown as to why she didn't show up

(01:36:39):
for RAW. That is still the current speculation from a
lot of people that she might be pregnant. And I mean, well,
we know that they were crying for a long time.
We talked about that on Tuesday. I think Joe, like
even back during Total Divas, they were talking about, you know,
if she can get pregnant back then, so this would
be a serious deal.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
I hate, I hate to do this, but you know,
well well well well well mish, what if it's all work?

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Yeah, but then what for the last minute switch on
Monday night?

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Raw?

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
First? Cause because maybe the pregnancy thing is a big
lie in the work.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Maybe, but they didn't tell anybody she's pregnant. People making
that maybe it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Is, so maybe it is like I hate this is
why I hate that ship? Yeah, because because now we
we catch to see people play this game with real ship.
It's serious ship, do you know what I mean? If
we like to play this game of constantly you know,
tickling the butthole of truth. Now we've got this point

(01:37:42):
where it's what it takes two weeks, you know. Oh
well listen, we all love Naomi and she's the champion.
We want the best for her, and we wanted to
do well and Jimmy's a great guy. We wanted to
be able to start a family. Yeah, but it's a
true is it a lie? Is it a big work?
Is she gonna them out in a month? And go, mmm,
I don't have a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Dan throws up a clip where apparently Naomi shared house.
Seeing women like Becky Lynch start families and then return
to wrestling completely change her perspective. She's quoted as saying
during the podcast, I always felt like this I had
his time crunch on me. But now women are showing
and I really feel like if I wanted to stop
and have a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
We could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
They're doing it so gracefully, so beautifully, and it's hard.
It's not easy. I see the lows, but they could
throw it through it and they're better for it, and
they're inspiring so many women. I think it's just incredible
because sixteen years ago you didn't feel like you could
do that. I felt like it was a wrap. You
have a baby and you're done. So yeah, she's not
talking about being currently pregnant, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
I mean, ay, wait, wait, miss, you think a thirty
seven year old woman wants to have a child, You
get worked? Brother? Yeah, what do you get? You get worked?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Well? They both come from pretty big families too, right, Like,
I would assume that the family bug has probably bitten
both of them at some point, right, it's just kind
of naturally it has. And if they were both kids,
if they were both solo kids, it might be a
different story. They might not have or not want that

(01:39:11):
family dynamic.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
But yeah, most most people, most people want a kid
like that's that's just the kind of the truth of it.
And it's like it's not even some sort of you know,
pearl clutchy super you know, wow, what a crazy thing. Yeah,
it's a thirty seven year old woman. Her greatest ambition

(01:39:33):
in life might not be to perfect her super kick crazy,
I know, right, and really at this point, and as
funny as it to say it this way, boy oh boy,
I almost wish Jimmy could carry the kid because I
want Nay or me on television. Can we pull it?
Can we pull a Junior World nurse? Maybe that's you know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
Yo pregnanty Yeah, y'all know what I mean. My nipples
is so I'm at seahorse oose yo, I'm I'm spraying
babies everywhere. Gee, no, like it's it's really, it's a
fucking god. It sounds so awful to say it this way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
I don't want to say it's a it's a shame
she's getting what she's wanted in her life. But no,
it's like unfortunate because this ship really clicks for her
right now. She's right now is what they probably.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
But that's the irony of it. If anything, it's like, oh, look,
Naomi has finally figured it out. She's she's garnering her
own fan base. People are chanting her phrases back at her.
She's genuinely one of the most interesting aspects on a
show that's turning dull real fast.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
And she's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Well, it's like she's gone, Yo, I got, I got
a uterus oose a euceress as usus.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Jesus Christ. My nipples are sensedive g yo, Big Jim
needs some pickles yo. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's I hope,
nothing but the best for these two. They both seem
like incredibly nice, fucking people. And she's she's having a kid.

(01:41:16):
Like I said, as a viewer and as a fan,
it stinks because she's fucking killing it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Yeah, but you know what, you know, she's in storyline
because she's keeping the bloodline going, sir, She's keeping the
bloodline going.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
That's a good point that so you just see what's
his name, dick head Bruce Pritchard walk up. He's like,
so how quickly can we get the baby on TV?
The baby in fc W can we get the baby Danny?
What's what's the babies they're going to be with Tala
smaller but Google Gola something like that, Google Gowas, Yes,

(01:41:52):
Google Gola. They're going to have him in one of
those little baby carrying cases. I should have him raising
the little one finger little yeah, the little tiny finger.

Speaker 10 (01:42:02):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
I'm a baby ooseh. He just throws them over the
top rope in the gate, all right, so no, good
for them, good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
A couple more pieces real quick one apparently nod Q
is told or Russell vote sorry, Russell Votes. Radio was
told that in a follow up of their news from
a few weeks ago, Omas is apparently again or his
name has once again come up in Triple A's decisions,
mentioning that he could appear at this weekend's Triple Mania. There,

(01:42:31):
they were told that WW remains intent on expanding his
reach beyond the traditional borders and believes that a stint
in Triple A could do wonders for him as a
bona fide special attraction. So you might be able to
expect Omas under a mask and then everybody's gonna go,
who's this big guy? No clue, who's that?

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Is that Grande America? Is that Laparka.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
I would love if he came out in a Grande
Americano mask and just everybody has to pretend that, oh, yeah,
now it's the same guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
That's the same guy, Corey Graves. I don't know what
you're talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Yes, him and JBL would be just solid a the
whole night.

Speaker 10 (01:43:14):
That's Grande Americano.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
I know what people are talking about season what's like?
Is it Nigerian coffee? Is that what it is? What's
the el grande Nigerian? That would be, honest to god,
that would be amusing. In the same way, I would
be like, this is his final four, Like he starts

(01:43:36):
out as a tiny white dude that's jacked, and then
he becomes an elongated German and then he becomes a
really giant Nigerian black dude. That would be That would
be perfect. Although, although I'm not sure if Omas could
pull off the singing in Spanish, I hope he could
come on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
That would be great. That would be I would love
to hear Omas sing in Espanol.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
What yeah, yes, I am the Nigerian that lover there
you put them with it's.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
Out there sposy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Oh yeah, there you go a little on drop. I
mean the International Players Club, that's what they could be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
So Shana Bazar also is on the Aeriel Hawani podcast
this week, she was filling in the second half the
show with Cross and she got in there. She talked
a little bit about working with Ronda Rowsey. She talked
about being handcuffed in some of her matches with WWE Creative.
She also talked about her exit from the company, where
she still had like two or three years under her contract.

(01:44:40):
I forgot the exact time and she got cut early.
But obviously she's not getting the three years contract. She's
only getting those ninety days. And so Ariel at one
point asked her about AW.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Would you like to go to AW?

Speaker 9 (01:44:51):
I would like to.

Speaker 13 (01:44:53):
I've said this, I said almost exactly this statement when
people were talking about UFC to WWE transition. I I
don't care as much the letters behind it. I just
want to practice my craft and if I can do
that alongside my friends, that's alwaysn't a great a great
place to be. So you know, I'm not gonna say
a hard no to any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
What do you think about shea Bailey has? She really
has my tyson voice, doesn't she. Yeah, Like she's just real,
you know, tough, gruff looking woman, right, and she's say
we can go get some.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
She sounds like the kid from Stranger Things in the baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Capsh I'm gonna get popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
This complaints of D and D that's like, all right, no,
but she is. She's an absolute badass. I fucking love
her in the brink. She has the allure she has.
I mean, we were talking about her earlier too when
I was on with LuFisto and Jeff, because we were
talking about Bailey needing some changes, Bailey Humphrey needing some
changes to the way she looks, that she should look

(01:45:58):
like more of a monster. And you know, we brought
up the idea like maybe some fucking mask. Like I
brought up the idea like bring back the Vader mask
and give it to a girl like Bailey, like that
would be interesting and stuff. But I also brought up
because Shana had that allure too. She always looked like
she was a psychopath. And Ronda kind of did it too.

(01:46:18):
But Ronda was supposed to be pretty, which didn't make
sense because Ronda had her own hairstylists and her own
makeup people like everybody else had to defend it for themselves.
But you know, Ronda, with fucking the Megabucks was able
to get everything custom for herself and that's why she
came out looking like a smeared tire. But Shada Basler
always looked like just a real gritty girl, like she

(01:46:41):
looked like the person that just fixes her own car.
She was that girl, you know, like I'll just rip
up the radiator pump fuck it, you know, And I
love that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Do you want to know why? This is why I'm
giving a note of Shana for this one reason alone.
She'd end up in that fucking Moxley group, wouldn't she.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
I would for her over fucking chauffeur.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
But but she would. That's what they would do with her.
It'd be like, oh, man, maybe she's gonna come in
and do something cool, and it's just like nah, nah,
she's just walking around with your box.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Don Reynolds brings up, what about m VP's group. I
could see that too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Oh oh, m VPS the guys that refused to lose Yeah,
I'm okay with that. I'm alright with that. I'm also
I'm also fine with that too. Yeah. I found that
whole thing funny where they were like m VP and
I think MVP can be a real tart at points,
but that's my you know whatever. And he's saying that
they won't lose to people, and I'm like, well, why

(01:47:41):
did you hire these two giant, super fucking athlete jacked guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
And they'd be like, he's bigger than half the roster.
That's what is the fucking manager. And he's bigger than
half the rosters. They had that one where Speedball flipped
them off. They're like, fuck you, Speedball, and it's or
you know, and it's like MVP's right next, so it's
people so tiny next to MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
It's like, oh god, guys, well this is that's it.
It's like, don't don't hire the wrong fucking people for
the job, right, you know, Like and by that, I
mean it's not like they're not incredibly fucking talented and
good at what they do. It's just if you want
to have a show that's a bunch of one hundred
and thirty pound guys jerking each other off and doing flips.

(01:48:28):
Don't hire two fucking jack serious athletes and then be like, well,
these two jack serious athletes don't want to lose to
one hundred and thirty pound jerk off guys. It's like, well, yeah,
of course they don't. That just seems seems obvious. I mean,
if we were basing this anywhere in the realm of shit,
that should make sense. But I know that once again,

(01:48:51):
why am I even talking about aw in the sense
of let's try to make sense. But I would have
been prepping fucking Bobby Lashley to go after Cowboy like
that would have been my my that would have been
my first fucking feud. In my mind. I would have
been like, Okay, well, I have Bobby Lashley, who's just legitimate, real, big,

(01:49:12):
fucking tough motherfucker who need not lose a match somebody
to go and he's a tough.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Yeah, but he's not willing to put a hypodermic needle
through his lips or take a cinder block to the
back of the head, you know, like these are things
that are needed in a Hangman page type match.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
Yeah, that's true, just like oh good cowboys, that's that's
what they all do. No, you're right, it's it's unfortunate
because that would probably be the thought process instead of saying, hey,
what if we tried to tell the story of Hangman.
Page finally tackles some mountain that is fucking you know, waterhead,
drunk Moxley, and he needs a real fucking challenger now,

(01:49:53):
and then you have the most grown ass, grown man
that's ever been in that company step up. It's like,
oh shit, that's a real that's a real fucking challenger. Yeah,
you know, you could do something with that. But instead,
I mean, I don't know who's I think he's wrestling
MJF or something, which it's like, you know, the steroid
guy with the fake hair on his head that fucking

(01:50:13):
wasn't happy Gilmore whatever. Yes, a fuck company's irrelevant, but no, like,
what were we even talking about before. It's Shana. Yeah.
I hope that Shana finds a gig somewhere, whether it
be T and A or even weirdly now, like I
was saying earlier, maybe she'll show up in like an
MLW and I'm fucking cool with that too. So yeah, no,

(01:50:33):
it's she'll find something if she wants to even do it.
Because she's in her forties now too. She might even
want to chill a little bit. You know, she seems
interested to get back in the ring. She looks healthier,
she looks so brighter. So good for her. But with
that said, let's get ready to wrap it up. Much
love to everybody listening live on the show, listening live
on the download or on the post download. Make sure
to follow Wrestling Soup on Twitter x at Wrestling Soup,

(01:50:56):
follow our YouTube channel, go to our Patreon Patreon dot com.
Calm Forward, Slash Wrestling Soup, No Frank and Gust tomorrow
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guest and You're gonna do a post show for triple
Mania or something like that. Or maybe I'm I'll fix
you something. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do something like that.
I'm thinking about it. What I might do is I
might have to I might get a Luta mask and

(01:51:18):
then I'll show up and I'll do the whole show
in Spanish.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Well i'd love that. I would love that. And we
also we have that YouTube translate now, so you could
really fuck with the translator.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
But imagine if imagine if I showed up somehow did
a whole show in Spanish without knowing how to speak Spanish,
and then we translated me speaking Spanish to English and
I didn't have a Boston accents. That would it'd be great,
that would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Wow, And make sure we'll check out the experience live
on the network with Drew Yari, and of course check
out Spitball Media. John Draper and the guys are going live.
They're probably already live right now, yeah they are, so
they're on YouTube right now. Of course check out who
You Talk Wrestling. Our friends over there live every other day,
it feels like sometimes, so you can always check them
out and their YouTube channel. And I much love that

(01:52:06):
Jeff Lippman and the Garden of Thought, and of course
LuFisto and Jeff Lippmann for doing the LFG show. Much
loved to White Chocolate, Who's a Cylinder Recovery? And yeah,
the future is still coming about the Evolve show, so
more stuff there too, and we'll be back next week
one way or the other. We'll be back next week
or this weekend. But I'm out of here till Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
So peace

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