TONY KHAN MAKING HIS FINAL ROUNDS (Wrestling Soup 11.20.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I should get the same we I should say that
missus has tried that multiple times to put costumes on
the cat. Never works. I'm always amazed when you see
pictures or little videos of cats that tolerate the Christmas
or the Easter bunny ears and shit like that. I'm like, Wow,
most cats just throw that shit off, don't even deal

(00:25):
with it.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's that's usually a cat of like an older cat.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
See look and here you go. Filthies put up a
couple right there. Look at that cat wearing the turkey
on his head. He's striking so wait, it's got PTSD.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Look his face is like, by the way, it's also
an orange, which shows are the dumbest fucking cats, so
he might not even realize that he's got that on
his head.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
To be honest, I think it's an actual Turkey's great.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, he's just he's just like why head have he.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Like alse, I'm throw up one. But you'll see a
lot of videos of cats just slinging that shit right off.
There's like my favorite one of the cat. Put somebody
put like boots on the cat and just every step
the cat takes it just slings a boot off across
the room.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, you have to think. It's like obviously every part
of their body is like hypersensory because they're they're fucking predator, right,
so like you know, they feel everything gets on their whiskers,
on their face and their feet on their head. So
if you're like all of a sudden saying to them
like why don't you put on a little vest, that's
like hell, that's like torture. And I was like, unless,

(01:40):
like I said, they're just kind of like lazy and old.
They're like, yeah, this is fine. Food.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Dogs are dogs are different though. Dogs you can you
can strap a sled on them and drag some four
hundred pound guy hundreds of miles in the snow, and
they're they're fine with it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, I like to I mean, I'm at the point
now where I not ironically I guess, but I just
I feel like, for my own sake, I like to
consider some things like reincarnation. Like I don't I don't
really think it's gonna happen, but I no, no, no, but
i'd like to think it does. It's one of those
things where it's like I don't think it's real, but
i'd like to think it's real.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's pretty big though, I mean spiritually speaking from our
conversations in the past, that's I mean, unless this is
a total bit, that's a pretty big reveal there, Joseph.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, no, no, not no, i'd'm saying I like it
to make myself. It's like a self soothing thing or
like as like a like here's a good example. Okay,
we're in line at the airport and I see the
dog that goes around and just like sniffing everything looking
for drugs and shit. In my mind, I'm like, I
know some people that when they died, they'd love that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean, that dog knows better.
That dog's not looking for drugs to stop anyone. That
dog's looking for drugs because he knows better.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well yeah, I mean, well that's like it's like maybe
the dog is like, hey man, I'm not gonna fucking
bust you. But like no, I mean, like you know
the people that are just like complete fucking busy bodies
where if they're like, yeah, you're gonna get reincarnated, they'd
be like, I need to have a job even as
an animal, Like yeah, yeah, where they're like, am I good?

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Did I did I ruin someone's life? Did I do
a good job? Like I know those people, they'd be
great to be one of those dogs, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Sure have you ever thought about reincarnating and something besides
a dog or an animal?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well? Yeah, I mean, of course, sometimes you see different
animals and you go, what kind of person would you
be in life that you would be born as? Whatever?
That would be like a you know, like a different
kind of cat, like this this cat that I have, karmit.
He loves water. So I think to myself, I go,
I don't know, maybe he's a fucking in the navy
or something. I don't know. It just makes me laugh,

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like I don't I don't really think that's happening. I
don't believes that reality. But it's like a it's like a.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
See yourself realizing that there's an entire culture of people
that will take what you just said and really believe
it that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Current was they but actually believe that like maybe I'm
let's let's put it this way. The people that sit
there and they're like, my cat likes to listen to
music with me, so maybe in her past life she
was a musician. That's that to me, is much better

(04:31):
than being like there's a spirit and it says that
if somebody, if dudes hold hands, I should kill you.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
See what I think? You know what I mean, Like
it's kind of the same thing. I've done that myself before.
But when I think of my cat Nutsie, right, I
think to myself, like, in a past life, she must
have been the slow child in class. So I mean
it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, well that's well, you know what, that would make
sense from a believable Like once again, I'm just toying
with what could be possible, like a carmatic sense. Right,
if you were like just a very sweet person that
was living your life with like special needs, right, wouldn't
it be perfect for you? Like it's like, next life
you get to be a kiddie. That's fucking that's a

(05:17):
good get, you know, sure, Like you're not like a
shitty feeder fish and a pet co It's like, yeah,
you fucked up. You fucked up real.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Bad to be Well, what determines Okay, then let's let's
have a little deeper what what determines what type of
human you'll become or what kind of animal you'll become?
If you were a good or a bad human?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, I mean what kind of a piece you see?
This is like I said, this is where I make
up of the imaginary thing in my head to amuse myself.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Is there Joey up in the sky on a cloud going,
oh oh, you're definitely a slug, you piece as shit?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, see, what I'd like to think is like, I
you know, like maybe maybe i'd be a spoiled corgie. Ah,
like I wouldn't mind that, just being of like.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh, do people only become dogs and cats? Or do
people become others?

Speaker 4 (06:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, I'm just like picking a one eyed pH.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, yeah, could someone actually become a one eyed p?
Could someone become a celery stock? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well no, no, no, no, I mean living things? Right?
Oh yeah, living thing right?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well this is this is like, you know, maybe you're
born an aunt or you an asshole. Maybe you're born
an ant and he gets you're born and you get
stepped on, right, and then you're reborn as an ant
again you get stepped on. It's like, wow, you must
have been a real piece of shit. You just keep
getting born as an ant that gets stepped on, you know, okay,
Or or or you're born as like a nice like

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I said, you're a very sweet woman with down syndrome
that worked at the grocery store and took good care
of people and packed the bags. And it's like, yeah,
then you get born as Misha's special needs cat.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
So if you're born as a cat, you carry nine lives.
Does that mean like, if you die as a cat,
no matter if you're good or evil, you come back
as another type of cat.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think that maybe he there's a preference.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Oh you get to choose. Oh well that's nice. Yeah,
you come back as a calico and leave as a
main coon.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
But well, by the way, this is all just bullshit,
just so you guys know, yeah, yeah, no, no, dead serious,
dead serious. I think that you guys should think this
is ridiculous, but also believe in angels and demons, right,
that makes way more sense to think that there's like
monsters that make you a jerk your deck or something like.

(07:33):
That's that's reasonable, but it's crazy for me to think
that energy could be transferred from a dead human to
a baby.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Oh. I know, it's been a hell of a week
and you know, think it, do it. I have to
give Mercedes Monaque credit. She internalized her future, her career goals,
and all of them came true because she is now
the ro Oh Women's Champion.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So oh well, then there you go.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Problem solved or not the women's champion? What belt does
she have? Not the women's belt? She has another belt,
all of them. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. She has all
the belts right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
They are all any any belt that a woman has,
she she has currently taken from.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
The TV Women's Thank You casuals.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
The TV Women's Okay, so this is what's funny to me.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Right, all of it.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I mean it's all, it's all, all of it. Yeah,
But like I have to say, maybe the thing that
amuses me the most about this are the people that
truly love all the shit that Sasha does, all the
Mercedes Monet went in the belts, right, these are all
the same exact people that you do something stupid on

(09:02):
the show, like, for example, during that Meden Cage bullshit match,
right where they stapled his hands fucking orange Cassidy's hands
into his pockets and then all of a sudden he
could never move his hands again because a little fucking
staple that we all know of, Like this dude didn't
receive the stigmata, all right. It was a little staple

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into his hand and he's like, I'm stuck now, I
can never remove them. And if you were to say, hey,
that's fucking ridiculous because he should be able to pull
his hands out of his pocket. It's just a little
ass staple. If anything, they probably barely even went into
his hands. People would look at you, that would be
very defensive of that and say, oh, so we're doing

(09:46):
the k fab thing now, Oh you know it's fucking fake, right,
Like why are you going to take it so seriously?
But then in the same exact breath, Mercedes Monet would
win fifteen titles from you know, Istanbul Championship Wrestling, right,
and you'd look at them and you go, none of

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those belts fucking mean anything. Nobody cares about them, no
one's ever heard of them. And they'd go, this is
a real accomplishment, Like, wait, is kfeble you it's weird.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, it goes back to moving the gold posts. We
know that type of fan that moves the direction of
the arguments in their favor, and that's really what's happening here.
It's just them protecting their fandom from the evil Joey Numbers,
who's calling it out?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, No, I mean I feel like that to me
is that's not even like a I'm real, I got you.
It's not even I gotcha moment. It's just how are
you not seeing how this is just your letter they do.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I don't believe that they're that stupid where they don't
know the difference, right. I believe it's an absolutely a
conscious choice that they make when they sit there and
they praise something like Mercedes Monet getting thirteen titles but
ignore things like Orange Cassidy's hands not actually being stapled
into his pockets. I think that this is a conscious decision.

(11:07):
It's actually it's totally harder for me to believe that
these people don't know the difference, you know what I mean,
Like it's like right, right, the level of just brain
damage of smooth brain that you must have to really
not understand why your arguments don't make sense in that

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scenario is just it's astronomical versus you're just trying to
get one over on us, right, Like you know what's
going on? Why are you being a dick?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Right? But this is also, like I said, in that
moment where it's like Okay. The cave Abe aspect of
it is just, hey, pretend that it's not you know,
are you pretending it's real? That's stupid or you to
pretend it's real, right, And it's like, okay, well, then
it's really stupid of you to get invested in this
girl winning fifteen titles when we know, oh for sure,

(12:00):
that this has nothing to do with you know, is
she going in there dominating and beating these people? It's like, no,
we just know she's a selfish, fucking mark for herself
and that's what she wants to do.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
But is this kind of like a cark before the
horse argument though, where people put this it's like, well,
it's all pro wrestling, so this is the way you're
supposed to just digest it. You're just supposed to take
what happens on the show as real. But at the
same time, any criticism, it's like, well, you know it's
not real, you know what I mean, Like it's arguing

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against oneself. That's why it's difficult for me to believe
that they just don't know better.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Joe, Right, Well, there's a willful ignorance that a lot
of people will have. I mean, I know shocking where
people will just ignore whatever it would be to just
get to wherever it is, whatever their point might be.
And I do think a lot of the time with
specifically that type of wrestler, the internet centric wrestler, right,

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whoever it is that they like, and if deemed to
be the next big thing or whatever the fuck, the
vast majority of the time they will be forgiven for
things that your regular and you know, non anointed WWE
fucking talent will knock. Yeah, it's it's sort of as

(13:21):
simple as that picture. If two years ago or three
years ago, I guess at this point when Roman Reigns
had the WWE championship for so fucking long, just forever, right,
imagine if they were like, all right, Roman's gonna start
going to all of the different Japanese federations, He's gonna

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go to Noah, He's gonna go to New Japan. He's
gonna start going and by the way, these are still
like bigger promotions than the shit that fucking Mercedes is
winning from and he's gonna mosey in there and just
take their heavyweight championships. Do you think all of those
people would be fucking you know, yippie skippy they be
happy about this or where they have been pissed?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I don't know. So let me let me ask you this,
right because clearly you're leading me with this question. Do
the indie promotion fans that Mercedes snatches these titles up?
Do they regret or are they upset that she's taken
their title? Or do they feel honored that she graced

(14:23):
their promotions? Well?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, well Mark's gonna Mark, so yes, they feel like
but that's.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
What I'm saying. I'm like, it's difficult because you're talking
about Roman Reigns, who's way bigger star, and we know
the following that he has. But if he went to
some random, shitty fucking Japanese promotion and highlighted this hustle wrestling,
if they right, well, yeah, hustle Mania with Roman Reigns. Like,

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but if he shows up for something like that and
he's wrestling hard gay and it's like, are they thinking
are the happen? These fans thinking like, holy shit, WWE
pays attention to us where we're gonna get huge and
we as the fans don't really fucking matter, But but
they feel like our hometown promotion is gonna get big,

(15:16):
We're gonna we're gonna be all over TV. Like I mean,
is thatll what it is? Or is it just a
bunch of people going, well, now we don't have a
fucking title.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, now we don't have a title.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Over another six months, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right right, whenever this guy decides to be on the
same continent as us, again, that over our meat. Yeah,
whenever he feels like showing up. But like, well, that's
it it once again. It goes back to this idea
of all, right, are we buying into the k fabe?
Are we not buying into k fabe? Are we just
being marks by just handing our fucking belt over to

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this girl? And also, by the way, like all of
these companies, you would think to yourself, right, the only
like reasonable logical culmination of her taking all these titles
would be these people, maybe not obviously for the long run,
but at least some of them showing up at aw

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and being like, bitch, I want my shit back, right,
don't you think, Like, don't you think that would be
the whole situation? But the reality is is Tony Kah's
too busy buying the licensing music for fucking young bucks
to buy a plane ticket for any of these girls
who are dropping belts on the other end of the planet.
So you'd think something like that could add some credence

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to the show or to whatever it is of the story,
as opposed to like you just slay a bunch of
dragons and then we never see those dragons and nobody
knows who they are and you're stuck. I guess imagining dragons.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Wrestling to for a mature audience.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yam the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Wrestling, sue. I'm Anthony Thomas jos of e E standing
for excellency numbers.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, yes, yes, and I'm over here imagining dragons in
this situation. But no, Well, but with the whole issue,
like I said, with having someone get all of these
belts and have all those titles, like I said, then
all of the people that oppose, like all of her
ex opponents, that all the people should beat him from,
they just they just disappear. I guess they just accept,

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right and go.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, no rematch unless it's like a year later or whatever.
Like even at that point, is is that supposed to
have built up? Like here here you right, there is
a right way to kind of do this, which Mercedes
Monet isn't doing but there is a right way to
do this. And if she's going to take the responsibility
of having all of these titles, she should make regular

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appearances at these promotions, do you know what I mean? Like,
I understand she can't be there for their monthly show, right,
I get that, But you can't do a phoner, can't
throw a video every month, you know what I mean,
you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, I'm saying also, these people should be shown, these
people should be showing up at AW well.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Then too, right, it should be a crossover thing as well,
but I mean at the same point, it should be
a two way street. Like AAW is the bigger promotion
in the yard, they should be the ones that are
helping the smaller promotions. Now, not just by stealing their title,
but maybe by you know, lending some people down there

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or having some you know what I mean, somebody, Well,
Mercedes Monee couldn't be here, but I'm going to fight
for her on her behalf blah blah. You know, like
there should be some kind of correlation with those smaller promotions.
And I understand that Mercedes can't be everywhere at once,
especially when you have thirteen titles. That's a lot of
wrestling for a wrestler to do. But at the same

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point they should make some kind of amends or some
kind of connection there. At this point, it's just it's
a weird ego party for Mercedes Monet. I don't really
understand what the endgame is. I mean, we make the jokes,
the chat makes the jokes. It does she want all
the titles? And I mean, at what point are people

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going to start looking at this and going just this
is absurd If people haven't already already done.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
So well, the endgame is apparently like just it doesn't
once again, going back to this is how marks think.
There is no story, miss, it's just things happen and cool,
that's how they perceive it. Well, I guess just although
we did it saying and it's cool the end you know, yeah, But.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Look, then, if you're an indie promoter and Mercedes like,
I want to wrestle your champion, aren't you like, fuck
you get out of here?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Go?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Are you gonna really draw me that many people? And
like that's a serious question. And I know this, but
once again, there's people that live on the internet that
never leave their fucking houses that don't go to wrestling shows.
That hear someone say that and they go, oh course
they do, right, And I'm like, Okay, who's they? Who
are you talking about? Because like, let's go look at

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some of the pictures of the buildings and some of
the places she's wrestled in. If there's four or five
hundred people there, Let's say for a regular respectable indie show,
where there's one guy at the main event that might
make four or five hundred dollars. That's an older indie
fucking whomever, maybe an old WWE name or you know whatnot. Okay,

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that's a pretty good, respectable house. It's a decent draw.
But if Mercedes is showing up at your fucking indie
and she's charging you twenty grand or even ten grand, right,
it's like you're not even breaking even. So what is
this for exposure? What do you mean exposure? Everybody's already
seen everybody's seen her. They're not watching her on television

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for free, so they're not paying for a ticket to
come see her. So what what the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So they're doing this for the Mark Max at this point, yes, right.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, it's just Mark shit, And like, like I said,
it does also go back to, Okay, well why don't
the women that she beats for these titles? Why don't
they show up in aw right? And if somebody was
to say, well, what are you gonna do? You're gonna
have them all show up on the show or blah
blah blah. So what good is having a championship from

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somebody who's not even good enough to show up on
your show? Right?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Does that make sense? You know what I mean? Like,
it's like if you have some guy and he's the
UFC welter weight champion or whatever, and he goes to
Bob's fucking backyard hillbilly brawl and cave some dude's fucking facing,
It's like, yeah, well that guy would God, we wouldn't
let that guy fight on a preliminary and wherever. Like,

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it doesn't even make sense. But you don't have the
luxury of, you know, that being a work. If this
is supposed to be a work, and you're, hey, I
won this belt from that person and then they just
fuck off and you never see him again, that makes
the belt even less valuable.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
This is funnier too, Casuals throws out He's like, maybe
they're trying to gain favor with Tony, but here's the
case with that. Clearly Tony doesn't give a shit, or
else he would have booked these matches in a w
you know what I mean, Like, if Tony cared about
any of these belts, then he would have had some
correlation on the mainstream shows.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Or had Like I said that once again, the girls
should show up and be like pissed about it, like
the wrestling, and.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
That would actually be a decent story. Wouldn't that be
a great that now she's got thirteen titles, and now
all these girls start picking up the phone and making
calls and now they want their fucking belts back. They
want her to right have them pop up out of
the audience right like they could be paying audience members.

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That's even better. And then they just run in alla
like Matt Hardy and Edge kind of shit. You know,
security hauls them away and then oh look there's another one.
Isn't that the I r c L A pg W
champion former champion?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Fuck? Well this well this is you know, it's funny.
On that show, they have a group and it's called
the Ops, right, the Ops and that's such a you know,
modern fucking drill music, hip hop reference, and it's done
by forty year old men and I think a twink
kid from New York or something. But you know the ops, Well,
if you know anything about you know hip hop lore,

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you know drill lore, or any of these fucking stories.
What happens when these guys have too many ops? They
can't move around, they can't live their life. Wherever they go,
someone's looking to kill them, someone's looking to take them
out of the game. Right, So now this girl's created
how many ops for herself, not just the people in

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the company. Everywhere she's moving in the world, she's fucking
fucked somebody over. She's taking a belt from somebody, whether
it was fair or not. So why is she just
really nearly moving around? La la la la la. Nobody's
ever gonna bother me ever again, It's like she should
be getting chased around.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
The reality is is Tony Kahan doesn't care Mercedes likes
the ego. That's what it is. I know, I know
they don't see a financial opportunity, they don't see a
growth opportunity. They don't even see a way to help
the people that they took the titles from they just
I don't know, Hey, shiny thing put shiny thing on
on money. Money likes shiny thing. Money like shiny thing.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
So she's so yeah, she's so happy just to have it.
And it's like, okay, well it doesn't mean anything though.
If people aren't trying to get the belt back, then
it doesn't mean anything. I know. It's like a hack
fucking thing to talk about, like a Western. I'm not
even sure if anybody under the age of fifty can
think in their head what a Western is. But if

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the guys come into your town, they fucking kill your
horse and shoot your best friend and steal your wife. Right,
If the guy's like, I guess my wife's gone, then
what's the value of the Why do you see what
I'm saying? Like it's like, okay, I guess the movie's over.
You know, Ah, well he shot my friend and you know,
you know, stole my kids. Well whatever, you know, them's

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the breaks. I'll just move on with my life.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Sounds like a short movie, right, And that's.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Why that's why a lot of this storyline and this
type of shit sucks, because it's a short movie and
it's all based around. What if the guy that came
in and killed the guy's horse and took the wife
and killed the kids, or ate the horse whatever. What
if they were just like, yeah, that's all I wanted
to do. Well, that's it, it's over now.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
On Brian alf Rose's show, he was actually discussing this
very thing, Joe, why.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Does Tony boat National Wrestling Company like it's an indie.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Show, because listen, it's his money and this is what
he likes.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I understand.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
It's just like this show, it's my show. Do whatever
I want. He doesn't care. He likes match problem. He
likes wrestling matches. That's his favorite thing, and so he
books wrestling matches. He thinks of a bunch of matches
he wants to see, so he books backwards to do
angles in matches. Well, sometimes set up other matches. He

(26:52):
just throws matches at. He likes matches, he likes wrestling,
and he likes belts. More power to the guy.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
If he's the.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Only one that cares about he's not gonna sell tickets.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
About that. He's imagines he wants to see.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
That's a business plan because here's the thing he is
booking for sickos like himself the rest of you.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Fuck you. I mean, I think bribed a little on
point on that one.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, which, but this is the This is the problem
then though, right if Alvarez knows this, and he's well
aware of this fact, then he shouldn't be covering these
shows like their serious. He should be shitting on these
shows in the same exact way I would, or you would,
or anybody that's clowned on this ship. The problem is

(27:41):
he knows all this and then feeds into the delusion,
you know, like it's like, oh, dude, I'm glad, I'm
glad that you you're aware of this fact. But when
push comes to shove, he will fucking shine the Tony
shoes too.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Brian walks a silly line to I think Brian is
a different person by himself as opposed to when he's
doing shows with Dave. I think there's a I don't
want to say kfe, but I think there's a little
bit of a laxed reality there with Brian. I think
Brian understands what AW is to its core, but he

(28:19):
chooses to be that other person for that other audience
because that's what that other audience demands.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Do you know, what I mean, Like he.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Is a Yeah, I believe he's an Yeah, he's an
expert code switcher. Yeah for sure, he's.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well aware of it. And Dave is just too autistic
to even feign being able to code twitch. Yeah, that's
what it is.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Dave is a different fucking monster. I don't know what
the how do you how do you regress? How do
you go backwards and start believing all this shit forty
years after you were like, ah, this is all shit?
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, no, I think that, you know, people like whoever
it might be, even a dutcher, you know Cornett obviously,
I think one of their major frustrations, even with a
guy like Dave, is I feel like they probably have thought.
And I'm sure Cornet has that. You know, I tried
to smarten this guy up. I feel like I put
a lot of work into trying to help him and

(29:15):
educate him and have him learn something, and he has wilfully,
like you said, regressed, right, he said, fuck all that.
I'm just I'm just gonna choose to be a fucking
ignorant moron and go in the opposite direction. It's like
I could see that why that would be so frustrating. Yeah,
you know, because these are both grown ups, you know

(29:36):
what I mean, It's not like where But.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Is it a wilful regression? Okay, I guess here here
comes the argument that is it a wilful regression because
of age and being out of touch or is it
a wilful regression because the zeros are just too nice?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's maybe it's both, And I feel like to some extent,
if that was the case with just the money, all
it would have taken was one fucking email to or
one text or one phone call to Cornet, and he
would have been like, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Dave, I
get it, you know you want to, But I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I don't know if he even likes Cornet, like even
before all this went down.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I don't we're friends. I mean they were friends. They
were friends.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Hey, you know once upon a time Vince Russo and
Jim Cornett were friends too, right.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess, I guess that's a way of putting it.
But no, like, I mean, unless something really did happen
to Dave, like Dave Dave Meltzer, I don't know Dave Meltzer.
It's like, did he have a TBI. Did he pull
like a John Fetterman and have a fucking stroke and
lose a shit like what happened to him? I don't,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's the money. It was such a dramatic it has
to be the money. I don't think Dave just willfully
became ignorant because he was getting older. Don't get me wrong.
You know, you lose your faculties and things are slowing
down for you when you get hired to that fifty age.
But at the same time, I think the dollar signs
are kind of like the cash cow. Maybe there weren't

(31:09):
as many Wrestling Observer live listeners at the time when
AW came around, and that makes perfect sense. The attitude
ERO was gone. He wasn't getting those nineties dirt letter
fucking subscribers like he was. So yeah, I think Tony
Kahan filled a financial niche that he needed and so
now because of that, he probably has some kind of

(31:30):
loyalty not just to the money, but for the thanks
of Tony Khan coming and bailing him out of his
you know, dwindling existence and entertainment values.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
So yeah, well yeah, I get it. It's it's like
in a horror movie, I guess, or something where some
sort of well like Stephen King's The Stand. Have you
seen that? Remember that? Yeah? Remember he saves the guy
from the devil, saves the guy from the jail cell.
It'd become as servant. Yeah, maybe that's maybe that's too

(32:03):
deep of a cut, but yeah, that's a kind of what.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I movie since it came out in what ninety eight, Like.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh, dude, try try like ninety two. It's old and
ship But I don't know, dude. By the way, interesting
observation about Dave Meltzer as well. I heard that fucking
that weirdo guy, Peter Teal talking recently, and he's clearly
as autistic as it comes. And him and Meltzer are

(32:31):
like spitting images in speech pattern and delay and confusion.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Or clones of Meltzer all over the place.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh yeah, but I mean it's just like it's so
obviously related to a disability, like it's it's tied into it.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's that they have Dave's autism transfer is it communicable?
Like like after years of reading the newsletter, do you
just start talking and writing like Dave Meltzer. I put he.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Put dilot on all the pages. If you touch the pages,
this dial it all the pages.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
The vaccinate, the newsletters. Now you know now you like
trains too much.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
You like trains at a w it's a real problem.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That's that's a good I like that. That's a very
good voice. I should keep doing that until I until
my that'll help. I'm sure people I'm hearing that in
their car.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
I came here to talk here from the bottom of
my heart because today I had to dinner with the
hardest things I've read to do. Oh my god, I
I want to tell you. I'm out here because I

(34:03):
had to do something I did not want to do today.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I'm very I'm very sorry to anybody.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
If we be the gout the.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Investigation independent of me.

Speaker 7 (34:17):
I have a disciplined commion AW that is independent and
it's a comprised majority of lawyers.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
And I also wanted.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Outside of labor council.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
I hired the independent lawyers to investigate this to make
our recommendation. The unanimous recommendation was the action that I took.
The action that I took came and I was going investigation.
But I have to say it stamp from an incident
Max Games last.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Weekend at AW only in London.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
But I've been going to rustling shows for over thirty
years as a fan, and I've been producing them on
CNT here for almost four years. And this was the
first time, this incident that I have ever speared from
my safety in wrestling show and I have a border
of my mind show the.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Other people, myself.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
I'm sorry, but they don't pump here, they don't up
here to be pretty dangerous, not the pal the worst.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Speaking of Dave Malterer and autism, Tony Kah had an
interview this week with Ariel Hawane and.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, that's not even a transition. That's like A It's perfect,
that's exactly that's like, Hey, speaking of you know A
plus B C. Is it next? Yeah? No, I know,
the fucking Tony Kahn interview, right boy.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, with Ariel Hawani. I saw, I saw JD from
New York. I saw John Draper, you know. And it
was funny that their takes are a little different than
a majority of the Internet. Majority of the Internet praised
the interview with Ariel Hawane. Famously, the very first time
they did an interview, it didn't go so well. In
Ariel Hawani pretty much put Tony Kahn in his play,

(36:18):
saying it's one of the worst interviews he's ever had,
and at this time it was going to be different
and it was very softball from what I saw. I
didn't get through the whole thing, but one of the
interesting things, and there's a couple points to it. But
Ariel does ask Tony about airing the cmpunk footage, the
backstage altercation with the Jack Perry stuff.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
It's been this awesome year. I'd be your misfued. Don't
ask you about the CM punk story. Do you have
any regrets about how that was all handled?

Speaker 9 (36:47):
Obviously he came on the show, there was that big
interview and then you guys played that footage.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
Looking back, Are you at peace with how it all
played out? Or do you wish things could have been
done differently? Well, there was so many things, so I
you know, it's like the playing the footage.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
Did you think that that was the best move in response,
because it felt like that was in response to the interview,
unless I'm to your interview, that's what it felt like.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
It's interesting because I do think that I didn't necessarily
agree with the description of how it all happened, So
that was your way of showing like no, not necessarily.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
And by the way, I really.

Speaker 10 (37:21):
Think you're a great interviewer, and I very much appreciate
because we've had a very we've had a very very
good interview, and I think I've been very good to
answer all the questions you have.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
And now I love that he's already like, you know,
the last time I was here, I tried, Oh, I
did a good job. I told myself I did a
good job, and you're good too. Thank you for being
so good to me.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And it's like I tried to do a couple more
media training classes and here I am back again trying
this Rob. I'm sorry, you've got me where.

Speaker 10 (37:50):
I'm enjoying talking to you so much. You've really got
me hooked in. So I want to answer your questions,
even the challenging ones. And I didn't necessarily agree with
everything that was said in that interview about how things happened.
But also it's a TV show and it did a
very strong number.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
And if you look, it was you talking about the
video response from you guys.

Speaker 10 (38:12):
Yes, so for many Yeah, I think that it made
sense and it was a thing that was advertised and
it got a lot of attention. That did a very
strong number. And also it's in the eye of the beholder,
just like.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Anything he said that you want.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
To It was just for TV guys, that whole thing
of hearing the CM punk footage. I was a feared
for my life. It was all to pop a rating, all.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Right, right and then and then that was literally you
could put a fucking pin in that they you could
watch the ratings and interest decline right from there.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So it was it was just it was just an idea.
It was just a TV show. It was a great idea, but.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
That but that episode, Oh Chef's Kiss, wonderful ratings now refute.

Speaker 10 (38:53):
I think the Cape spoke for itself, and I think
that I didn't agree with how it happened, and obviously
it was a major part of why things were no
longer able to continue with us, even though I would
have liked to have been able to. And it's clear
that I wanted to reconcile and do those things, and
you wish that.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
Maybe, like like by him leaving and then showing up
on WW like two months later, that was a huge boost, right,
I think really for us, we've had a great run
for six years, and if you look at the time
before Phil came to AW, we were having a great
run and we had some great times together. But we've
been on a great run and we're having this great

(39:31):
year right now with this.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
No, it's great.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Everything is great. Yes, so great.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Sounds like I'm just about done with this kind of
way of speaking about things, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I think he's just wrapping things up. He's probably gonna
get heavy into the the Jaguars soon, right or something
like football. I'm getting invested.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
So yeah, that's what this sounds like. We had a
great run, We're having a great year. This Ye sure
sounds good. Yeah, man, Yeah, wrap the shit up. That's
what it sounds like to me. Please answer my jake away.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So he really didn't answer too much about it, but
it was an opportunity to and like I said, people
were praising this, and obviously guys like John and JD
pointed out that this was a very softball interview. Tony
Kahn really didn't answer too much. When talking with Tony,
Ariel brought up about aw's weekly viewership numbers and Blood

(40:33):
and Guts twenty twenty five, and Tony said, I'm very
excited We're coming off of an awesome event this past
week and awesome ratings, which, by the way, somebody pointed
out the ratings are lower than last year, which were
lower than the year before that and the year before that,
and we had a great week where one of the
top shows on cable. I don't have all the numbers

(40:55):
on the of the DVR, and I don't know the
streaming numbers, but you got to remember that we have
a lot of fans who watch on HBO Max Now,
but on TBS it was six hundred thousand, and it
was our time slot and in that time slot one
of the top shows and are ranked somewhere in the
top ten on cable for the entire night, and in
its time slot, I think it was along with ESPN

(41:18):
and Fox News, TBS was one of the top three channels.
And it was also, OK.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
This is all meaningless, Like half the people, Jude, you
had ninety percent of your show fucking commits Sepeku, and
your ratings were beat by bron Stromann fucking eating hogies.
Like it's not good. It's not doing good. I know
he has to present it this way, but this is

(41:46):
also why I'm not gonna sit down and listen to
an interview with somebody that I know is just fucking
not telling the truth. Well, what's the point.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's not even that. When when your best description of
what happened in wrestling this week is going into the numbers,
you're not doing well. Wrestling is an emotional, story based,
fucking testosterone fueled show. When somebody asks you about your

(42:16):
wrestling program, you should be like, oh, fucking you believe
Orange Cassidy had his fingers stapled into his pockets me
he couldn't get him out and he was bleeding, and
there was anger, and like, this is what you should
be talking about. And then the fans were pissed. Did
you see all the millions of people online hashtagging free
Orange Cassidy from his own pockets? And it's like, there's

(42:39):
none of that. When Tony Kahan gets asked about his shows,
the only thing he cares about is the statistical numbers.
But this is again, and in a way, we go
back to the Brian Alvarez clip, the statistical numbers that
mean nothing to anyone because he doesn't book the shows
for fans. He doesn't book the shows for money. He

(43:02):
books the shows for himself. So it's this weird dichotomy
of when he's questioned during this interview or basically in
an interview as of wait, it's always going back to, well,
we're closer to SmackDown. We oh aw and SmackDown are
getting closer together, we're catching back up and we're doing

(43:25):
much better. It's like doing better than what Why don't
you talk about the actual fucking shows? Like I understand
that there is a contingent of fan out there that
probably gets real fucking sticky over the idea of, oh
my god, theyk got five thousand more people this week
than last week, and you know what, kudos to those
sickos out there that are really fucking invested in that.

(43:48):
But most people want to hear why should I watch
this show when the promoter only gives a fuck about
aw Dynamite being better than Fox News this week?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You know right, well, dude, there is there is an
obvious problem, like you said there where it's a you know,
people watch television shows or people enjoy entertainment. I know
this is crazy primarily for themselves and how they relate
to it and what it means to them, whether it's socially,

(44:23):
emotionally whatever it might be. You know, Oh dude, why
do you think a lot of people in Chicago are
still watching the Bears even though they've sucked balls for
thirty years because they watched it with their grandpa color. Yeah,
they're from Chicago. It means something to them. It's civic pride,

(44:43):
you know. Oh, me and dad used to go and
sit in the stands and get a fucking hot dog
like that is all.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
But don't you know what those fans aren't doing, Joe.
They're not like, oh man, there was six hundred thousand
more people in the stands this week or watching on
TV this week.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Do you know what I mean? Like at the ratings
on the Bears game though, I mean, that's really what.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
That is the fucking death knell of all this. He's
a promoter. He's a promoter that doesn't promote his own show.
His idea of promotion is, hey, guys, this week on Dynamite,
we got something really special.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Tune in ball, we got something really special. But is
it stuff?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
I like?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Oh yay, right, yay.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I mean you know what this reminds me of. It
is like when you go on a road trip and
only one person has the fucking Oxcord the whole time. Yeah,
you know, it's like eventually people are gonna be like, well,
you know what, I think that you got pretty good
taste in music, man, But enough, like I kind of
want to at some point, you got to consider somebody else, right,

(45:54):
At some point it isn't got to matter to anybody.
Somebody anybody.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
There's nobody creating enough. There's nobody creative enough in wrestling
that could ever take the reins from Tony Khan. Remember, Joe,
this is Tony Khan, the man who was inspired to
create aw from an ms DASS game back in the nineties.
This is Tony Khan, the man who single handedly wrote

(46:18):
a wrestling newsletter every week for him and his friend.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
This is for people, yeah, right, which, by the way,
isn't that telling When it's like I was a billionaire
son and I used to write. I used to write
an article every single week or a newsletter every week
for two people, myself being one of them.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It's like, god fucking damn it.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
It's funny too. I've gotten feedback off that too, and
I might have to do an actual reading like I
was joking about it before. Maybe I was going to
do something on Patreon, but after skimming some more of
the book and seeing some feedback, it is a delightful read.
It is, dare I say, even better than the Rye
Back Book as far as absurdity, Like, I never thought

(47:06):
Rye Back could ever be topped Rye Again. I always
thought that when it came to the mecca of great
wrestling books to read, Rye Back was at the top
of the list. But this, this book by Keg, this
aw history, this this foundation of what makes wrestling great,

(47:28):
might be the number one book of wrestling of all time.
And I might have to read more of it, Joe,
I might have to sit down and crack open the
spine of the book and probably my own and read
some more of this wonderful. Wonderful is just institution into
the mind of Tony Kahan and aw.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, well dude still And I saw somebody posted a
tweet from Disco and somebody feelers like, no, this is
a much better showing from him, Like this ship has
absolutely fucking sailed. I'm sorry anybody that's still sitting there
going you know, I don't know, man, Maybe we just
need to give him a seventy fifth chance. It's like,

(48:11):
what kind of battered wife asked, motherfucker are you at
this point? Really? I mean, that's what it sounds like
to me, where it's just, oh, don't worry, she said,
she said, she's gonna stop fucking my friends. It's like, what,
how fucking pathetic? You know he only hits me because
he likes me. What enough enough? The shit sucks. It

(48:34):
sucked for fucking not in six fucking years at this point.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
And if people could be honest with themselves and read
between the lines, they know that Tony Kahan thinks it
sucks now too.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Of course, of course, And it's like when you have
more money than you know what to do with it.
And most of this is just based around ego.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Honestly, the whole reason he did the aerial Hawani interview
Joe is just to say face. That's the only reason
he would have done this interview, right, Ariel Hawani that
first time around, buried buried Tony Kahan in the ground.
Tony looked like such an asshole after that, that that

(49:17):
consideration by Ariel Hawani to even fucking do the interview
with him, that the only reason it was even being
done now was Tony was trying to do damage control
for the people left that still believe that's it. I
don't think that that interview had anything to do with
anything but ego.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
But ego.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Tony's ego was hurt that somebody on the level like
Ariel Hawani as far as respected is dirt sheets or
however you want to look at him, MMA, journalists, et cetera,
but respected, and somebody like Ariel Hawani just really put
him in his fucking place.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, this is also why I mean, like I said,
I've only heard what you just played for me, but
I'm sure the tone of this is also different for
you know, Aria Hawane, because he now is approaching this
interview in a very different way, because he knows this
thing's irrelevant. He knows that it's not competition. He knows

(50:14):
that they're not even trying to be taken seriously anymore.
Whereas in the past, if he's having a conversation with
somebody and he's thinking to himself, this is an actual
businessman talking about a business, talking about something that's meant
to be taken seriously in the marketplace of not only ideas,
but of entertainment and blah blah, blah, filling the blanks

(50:35):
right now at this point, he's just having a fucking
fan on the show. Yeah, he might as well just
be having a conversation with a regular ass wrestling fan,
and so I'm sure the pressure is off of him
to actually try to like, all right, let me, let
me get some juice out of this, Whereas I'm sure
Tony also believes in his head though he's having a
real big boy interview. I'm sure he thinks this is

(50:57):
like I'm having I'm doing a good job. But it's
just like, no, dude, no one gives a fuck anymore.
So he doesn't have to talk to you in a
way where it's like I'm trying to find out what's
gonna happen. Now, it's just eh, you know, maybe I'll
get you know, thirty to fifty thousand views. I don't
have the video in front of me. How many views

(51:18):
does that happen?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
At this point, it's got four point nine thousand likes, okay,
and it's got one hundred and thirty eight thousand views.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Wow, I'm fucking shocked it even as probably for honestly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Well seriously, I'm making a joke. But the first time
he killed him. I mean, that's the whole reason I
would probably want to watch this one, right, you want
to see what well?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, like what well next?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
All right?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I want to see what happens when this guy gets
made in front of him again? Right that? No, you're right,
that's and to some extent, God, how did I not
even think of this beforehand? Like you said, it's internet drama. Shit. Yeah,
there's a lot of people who are going to watch
because they're like, ooh, yeah, he fucking yeah, he made
him look like a sucker last time, and it's like,

(52:06):
and now he doesn't even have to do that in
this one, because, like I said, the whole thing is irrelevant.
It doesn't fucking mean anything. So he can just give
him a baby talk you know, oh remember the good
old days kind of interview. He can do that with
him and it's fine.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
There was a point where they were talking about Chris
Jericho and Tony Kahan made it clear that he would
like Chris Jericho to retire in aw or have his
last match in AW and Ariel Hawani also asked, you
know about Chris Jericho's status and who has stated that
he reached out to Chris for his birthday, and he
cannot speak on whether he will be back with AW,

(52:43):
nor could he say if his contract is coming to
an end soon. But Tony did state that he would
like to have Jericho back, and AW will. We'll try
to make that happen and keep them involved in AW.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
So No, the answer to that is now Jericho was gone.
He's getting a red money. That's his point.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
He's drinking more bubbly bubble.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, that's his long term plan. By the way, I
see people putting in here where it's like, what if
I had to book me personally had to book a
show like this, Well, let me just point this out
first and foremost, because I have a good laugh whenever
I see people leave comments where they're like, what did
you even why would you even have a fucker thought

(53:23):
on how you would fall up on this? Well, for
those that haven't been around for a million years listening
to the show, there was a point where I was
working on a fucking television show, a regional wrestling show
that was well over. I think it was at least
six figure amount of households that followed directly after SmackDown,

(53:44):
and I helped, you know, produce the show. I did
commentary on it, I was a referee on it, So
I have plenty of experience. I have plenty of years
in and still, even with all of that said, I
don't think that I could sit down and make a
fucking weekly television wrestling show like onto this scale, right,
But with that also said, that's also why I look

(54:07):
at somebody like Jody Kuhnn who thought that he could
do it, and I go, what a fucking meat set.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Well, it's because you didn't play enough Adam Ryland games
back in the nineties show.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
That's that must have been the problem. Instead I was Instead,
I was just breaking down rings, setting them up, you know,
fucking talking to people that actually knew shit about wrestling,
and you know, that's what I was doing. I should
have been focused on fucking you know, message boards. Of course,
that would have been the whole point of it. Now
with it, with that said, I'm still the I'm gonna

(54:37):
give myself credit. I'm no fucking dummy. If you ask
me about whatever it's going to be in wrestling, I
am going to give you my opinion on it. I'm
going to give it to you in a way that
is very like this is what it is. This is
how I see it. And if people take that ass
like you, you know, y'all, you can get humid here.
I'm like, well, then listen to people that have no
fucking experience and no understanding of wrestling and are actual

(55:00):
just sock asses and fucking marks who've never touched her
ring and the way that they talk, and a lot
of the people don't have a problem with that. So,
you know, I don't know, eat a fat cutpeo.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Even look at what we were doing earlier. Look look
at what we were even talking about earlier. I think
that on the fly you came up with a great
idea to fix the Mercedes Monete belt thing. I think
the idea of bringing these women into aw or making
appearances down in the other promotions and having some kind
of correlation storyline with the ops and everything else like that,

(55:36):
I think that's a better way to treat these belts
and honestly navigate these smaller promotions, give them some actual
TV time or some actual relevance with Mercedes Monette as
opposed to just having go down there and collect jewelry.
It's and that was on the floor.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
How do you or how do you not have Okay
for the endie set, she wins these belts them like
you said, Okay, we're not gonna be able to send
every show. What fucking you know, average schmo girl do
we have on the roster. I'm sure there's a couple

(56:13):
of them that can, right, that can just be Mercedes
fucking Gunda. That's she just shows up there in a
Mercedes start and says, Mercedes, you know, he's not coming
back to your grown stass fucking city or country or
whatever again. So I'm here and blah blah blah blah blah,

(56:33):
and that's all it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's what I'm saying. Totally liked that idea. I think
that that's a great idea. It's simple as a fix,
and it also opens up the door to hey, who
the fuck is this? But what promotion is this. I'm
not saying that they're gonna become like overnight promotions and
be in the ratings talk or anything else like that,
but even opening up the door to people in the

(56:57):
area going.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Oh, I don't even know there was a promotion here something.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I don't know. There's got to be some kind of
correlation because doing absolutely nothing with the titles means absolutely
nothing to anyone.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, no, no one is getting anything out of it
other than this girl gets to come out with a
bunch of belts and pretend like did they fucking mean anything?
If nobody's chasing them, they're not important. If if nobody's
once again, if nobody's looking for them, that's a pretty
good sign that they're not worth looking for. So this
isn't rocket science.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I kind of breezed over it a second ago, but
I wanted to kind of highlight the clip or you know,
is audio where he said Tony Kahan feels that Dynamite
has really closed the gap with SmackDown in recent weeks.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
All that means is SmackDown is doing worse. It is nothing, right,
That's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I'm like, it would beat me to the punch on
this one. But it's like SmackDown and Raw have not
been great at all. And don't get me wrong, I think,
and we talked about it on Tuesday. I really didn't
enjoy this last week's SmackDown, but it has been just
a non sequitor as far as talking about anything that's
been going on in these shows. Survivor series has a

(58:11):
real lack of build up, or at least, you know,
I don't feel that it's been as good as prior
Survivor series. And I understand they're trying to make it
a big thing, but more people are focused around John Cena,
and this weird tournament really isn't the greatest idea, so
wwe isn't running on their best. But maybe they're just
saving it for Royal Rumble, you know, Like that's what

(58:32):
I'm thinking. It's like, maybe they're just saving the good
shit for later. And we always think that. I always
think that. But yes, SmackDown hasn't been doing good, and
it's like he said, so he says, I'm very excited.
We're coming off with an awesome Everything is awesome and
great and amazing. I really hate his valley girl vernacular.
It just fucking greats me right, Oh my god, so amazing.

(59:00):
Those have been tubular, this awesome event this past week,
and awesome ratings. We had a great week. We were
one of the top shows on cable, Like this is
all right, whatever. I don't have the exact numbers. Oh yeah,
we already talked about that. I was prepared for the
possibility that there could be some erosion or cannibalization of
the cable audience, which did not happen. It came out

(59:22):
the other way in quarter one, quarter two, and quarter three.
If you look, our shares went up and our total
audience went up.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
No one gives a fuck about this. But he really
is listening to this, going hooey, I'm fucking bumped.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
But this is his horrible This is what he sees
like when he's saying, oh my god, guys, Dynamite is
getting just as good as SmackDown. It's not because what
do you mean, like fucking Moxley's having the matches of
his career versus whatever. You know, they got solo doing.

(59:58):
It's not there. It's we had more shares, we had
more buyers in quarter one, quarter two, and quarter Like,
who cares about these stats? And I know, I know
he made a joke earlier the Stratians, But I don't know.
I don't understand why this is the reasonable context for

(01:00:18):
a guy who's trying to promote his product by bringing
up this avenue these stats as a reason to watch,
Like did you ever watch Let me ask you this,
have you ever watched a show? Not because it's popular
and people like, oh, gay with Thrones is great. You
gotta watch Game of Thrones. This girl gets fucking her
head cut off, Like nothing like that, right, But did

(01:00:40):
anybody say there's seven million people watching it, it's got
to be good, right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah? Well yeah, well you got to remember.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
It's like sometimes people run up to you, they go, dude,
you got to check out this new show. It's quarterly.
Our ratings are really improved, right, and I go, damn,
it's quarterly. Our ratings are improving. Like yeah, I'm like, fuck,
I better are that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
You want to know what? It doesn't matter? Here there's
a little picture in there that I got from our archive,
and it said Nicki Bella's appearance on Raw on the
Raw on Netflix debut was WWE's most viewed and liked
post from the event, with four point two million views
and sixty seven thousand likes as of press time. Nicki

(01:01:25):
Bella was the most popular thing that WWE ever tweeted out,
how much does that mean? How much does that mean? Right?
Does that mean that you're more invested in Nicki Bella
and Stephanie Vekar? Does that make their angle better? Does
that make their story better? Because once upon a time,

(01:01:46):
Nicki Bella made more post likes than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Once upon a time, Nicki Bella had a tweet that
people liked so or there was some sort of thing
that was related to her appear and so therefore where
that's the most Nah, dude, this is like I said,
this is the same.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
That's like not even normal. That is well, it goes
back to your autism theory, but that really is wild.
Like he's he's Tony Kobb's the guy, Like, yeah, I
like the Nikki and Stephanie because you know, ron Netflix debut,
she issues their top earner.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
What well, dude, Like I said, though, I mean, we
have to take into consideration the complete dip a SmackDown.
To me, that's the most important part of this. Where
even if we're sitting there pretending like, look at how
good of a job we've done, this is like I
don't know me being like yeah, man, Leonardo DiCaprio and
Ryan Reynolds both survived in acid attack this week, so

(01:02:46):
needless to say, I'm I'm almost as good looking as them. Now. Yeah,
It's like, yeah, all they had to do was be
burn victims, and I'm I'm catching up. I'm almost there,
I'm looking great next to these guys. It's like, yeah,
Smacked had to fucking start to fall off and had
to have the lowest rating it's ever had. And that's

(01:03:07):
when you decide to start comparing yourself. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
When she's supposed to say this, not to be outdone
by himself. Tony did do another interview with Adam's Apple.
Oh Yeah, It's very popular ust of lodcast, in which
on Adam's Apple he was asked about who he believes

(01:03:34):
could be the next MJF the same way that people
would ask the rock scene and something like that, and
Tony con reveals his next aw's breakout stars and he said,
Kyle Fletcher is a TNT. No, no way, not Kyle Fletcher.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
I haven't gathered. They've been wanting to push him for
fucking Christ, it's not working. These people are boring in genera. Motherfucker.
Get the clue, Kyle, Get the hint.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Kyle Fletcher is a TNT champion at a very young
age and is doing incredible things, amazing things, awesome things
people forget because timeless Tony Storm is somebody whose persona
has been around for many, many decades, but timeless Tony
Storm is still a very young woman herself. And you know,
there's great young wrestlers, and there are top people in

(01:04:25):
the profession right now, but there's a lot of great
young stars coming up in aw and Ring of Honor.
That's really impressive, really impressive young wrestlers at young ages.
But we've had some really great champions that have been
in their twenties, and Mjf's a great example of that.
Somebody came in and succeeded at the highest level and

(01:04:45):
continues to and MJFS in his twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Wow, hey, let me let me, let me tell you
who's going to be the next MJF in that company.
Nobody mj that is gonna be the next Yeah, mgf's
not even mj anymore in that company. It's it's it's
it's fucking cooked.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Dude, does he even know who he has on his roster? Like, dude,
just name somebody, Just name somebody that you pay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
He's like, there's a guy that there's the gig guys
that wraps. Oh, I know that's his partner.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
It's one thing when I don't remember who the fuck's
on their roster. It's another when you are paying them
and you don't know who the fuck they are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It's yeah, it's a fucking boss. It walks it and
calls people by the wrong name, like he's like, how
are the kids, Chuck, and he's like, I'm Fred. Yeah,
I'm Fred. I'm not even closed. But sure, Oh Denise,

(01:05:53):
how's that a hysterectomy?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I don't see gender. I'm sorry, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, well I yes, I'm just a very progressive bus.
You know what you need to go to HR? Go
to HR Denise. Very No, not that Denise. I don't
know anything about her, and I don't want to invoke
that fucking spirit. Dude. No, it's the thing is a

(01:06:20):
fucking dismal failure. It is falling the fuck apart. It's
been falling apart forever. It's propped up by this kid's money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Like one of those scenarios, right, Like it would have
been so simple for him to mention people that are
not readily on rampage or rampage sorry dynamite.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Oh yeah, remember that? Remember rampage? Oh shit, you know
who watched rampage? No bad, Well that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
It's like, you have people that work for you. That
aren't even on the shows that maybe get one Dynamite
a month, maybe like mention them. Oh my gosh, they're
so talented. We haven't seen enough of them, but I
have a feeling that they're coming up in the ranks
and you're gonna see more of them soon, Like get

(01:07:13):
people hyped again. You're a promoter. This is somebody Adam's
Apple asking you about who are the people? I don't
fucking know. But he's asking Tony Kahan, Dude, who am
I supposed to get hyped for? Who am I supposed
to start jangling my wallet for to buy their merch
to get tickets to go see them? And he's like, ah,

(01:07:38):
Kyle Flatcher.

Speaker 11 (01:07:40):
Well it's the guy we've already been pushing that has
no personality and me to give him a manager so
he could actually have something resembling it talking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, dude, the thing is fucking it's completely fucking dead.
It's completely fucking of it. And I guess in this situation,
and it's funny because you know, we're in fun of
the guy being named Adam's Apple or whatever the fuck.
But you're right, he's trying to feed him, right, He's just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
She's doing a good job. He's just that's what you're
supposed to do as an interviewer. It's like, Hey, what
are we supposed to get jacked up for? I know
Tony Storm has been doing the gimmick for decades. Wayne, Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It's like, oh, hey, we gotta whatever it would be.
You know, Oh, I heard you're opening a new restaurant.
What what can we expect at the new restaurant? It's
like sustenance the Colorican Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
You'll leave full.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Forks and knives.

Speaker 11 (01:08:38):
We're gonna have forks and knives and have a nice china,
not that chairs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
We're gonna have chairs. We're gonna be able to accept money,
So keep a lookout for that. Like he's got nothing,
He's got nothing to fucking tell you, and he knows it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I would like to go and see his old Eat
You Are and TEW games. I would love to see those.
Look for the dorks that play that shit just like
I did. I would love to see his promotion, his
AEW promotion in these games and how well they did,
because chances are they're probably doing as well as Dynamite
is right about now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Wouldn't it be funny if we saw those and they
were actually real good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh like he just lost anything along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he lost his fucking fastball. Doug, you
were better at this when you were like in high school.
How did that fucking appen?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Like this makes those sense?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Christ He's like, I went to college to learn how
to write and then somehow we just got way fucking shittier.
Mm hmm, just by some sort of magical failure fucking button. Yeah,
I don't know, dude. Like I said, I don't know
why anybody is still fucking bothering And I know ZOM

(01:09:57):
and say, well, why why would you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Because there's alternative right like TNA is trying. I think
they've they've integrated into the WWE system. Fine, I think
there's more that TNA should be doing. I think even
more so, not just n XT, but maybe more mainstream.
But we got Royal Rumble coming around. We know what
that's going to be. I think there needs to be

(01:10:19):
more of that in order to help bolster that. But
there really is no alternative. I mean, they're doing stuff
with Mexico right now that people are on board with,
and that's fine, but there's really no alternative. Aw is
the only alternative we have and it's awful. It's we.

(01:10:41):
I try so hard not to even bring up aw
these days. I really don't. I try not to watch
the shows if I can help it. Like it's it's
it's a communicable disease on my Internet that every once
in a while aaw gets thrown in my face. I'm like, ah, fine,
I'll watch the two minute clip. But it's just that

(01:11:02):
it's not a good show and there's nothing really to
respect from it. And for the most part, it's either
the place where your favorites go after they get fired
from WWE, or it's the place where here's a bunch
of really talented people that will end up going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Right here are your options, like you said, there, it's
where WWE careers go to die. It's people that you
look at and you go, man, they're just wasting they're
just wasting time. Or it's your Daniel Garcia Wheeler, you'da
fucking I don't know, jungle boy type guys hook where

(01:11:39):
you're looking at, You're just going these guys fucking suck.
They are so fucking bad. And now they've been on
TV for half a decade, and the fact that nobody.
Nobody is putting together the fact that this is bad,
This is bad television. These are boring, bad performers that
people aren't interested in and you need to move on

(01:12:02):
from them, and they just refuse to fucking do it
because these are these are his friends. I signed Daniel Garcia.
Somebody sent me something where it was somebody on a
message board where they were like triple I sure fumbled
Daniel Garcia. And I'm like, this is real, this is

(01:12:22):
a real thought by a person. They really feel as
though what a huge mistake they made not getting old
boys regular. They believe that in their heart of hearts, like,
oh my god, imagine if WWE SmackDown got Daniel Garcia,
it would be be game over for them. They would
be ten times better out. And I'm like, oh, fucking good,

(01:12:46):
googly fucking moguli. Yeah. But here's what's funny too. I
gotta say when he's like, yeah, Kyle Fletcher is like
MJF or whatever the fuck right, if you took MJF
off AW television and even had him on there as
a commentator or had him as a manager, because once again,
if he wrestled, he would be smaller than JD McDonough

(01:13:09):
it would look weird as fuck. Even if you had
him do that, he could add to the show, He
could be different. He has the personality, he can act, right,
What the fuck is Kyle Fletcher? If you put him
on WWE television? What is he? He's just another a
white guy with a weird shaped head with a fucking
whiffle haircut, and he's that's it. But that's it. There's

(01:13:31):
not There is quite literally no defining characteristic. Daniel Garcia
zero defining characteristics, Kyle Fletcher zero defining characteristics. So you
can't sit there and go, this is the best that
we have and it's a plane bagels. The best thing
we got on the menu is a plane bagel. Wow. Cool,

(01:13:52):
I'm not interested. I won't. I'm not buying it. You know, Beig,
You're right, like bringing up aw is a fucking waste.

Speaker 9 (01:13:59):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
They passed Hogan Andre. So the last number I saw
was uh in the seventy eight thousands. You know, I think,
I don't think it's at seventy nine yet it was
uh seventy eight thousand, uh and like uh one hundred

(01:14:25):
and fifty ish uh yesterday, So you know, yeah, we're
in the seventy eight thous where we're in that range,
so if we're six hundred to get there, so so
so that's about another maybe a week, maybe a little

(01:14:46):
less than a week. So that one will took, that
one will fall, and then the big one, which is
the wrestle Mania thirty two and the Londos record, that
would be probably.

Speaker 9 (01:14:59):
U uh, you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Know, maybe they'll maybe I don't know, you know, maybe
the last week, but those records are all going down.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
They will they will break those records.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
So, speaking of interesting, on the Nicky and Bree show,
Brie Bella.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
As you can tell, we're ripe with news today, he said,
so I found I found a quarter the other day
on the ground. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
It was like, well, because because the rumor was for
a while there that Brie was going to do a
w we saw Nicki show up at w W E
and everybody's like, oh, it's going to be Nicky and
Brie and w W again. But obviously Daniel Brian is
still attached a w and so the the worry or
the idea became that Bri was going to show up

(01:16:02):
in aw and so they were bringing up the wrestling
side of things, and Brie said, what I hope to
come next year? For my personal life, I think there's
definitely a last run in me. I'm at an age
where I'm strong, and I think it's because I'm working
out so hard and I'm feeling good. I feel like
there's that for sure, there's a last run in me.

(01:16:23):
But I'm like, wherever it may take me, wherever it
may be, I hope it's with you, Nikki. Wherever it's at,
who knows, whether it's for one night or two hundred nights,
We'll see and I feel good.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
I definitely had a goal I wanted to hit with
weight and just like how I wanted to feel by
forty two, and I've definitely hit those goals. So I'm
really proud of myself because I'll met like, I had
some goals I wanted to hit at forty and I
totally didn't. I was like, well, I'm.

Speaker 12 (01:16:53):
In Lake Como instead eating and drinking.

Speaker 8 (01:16:55):
But so I'm like really proud of myself. And also
I have found.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I don't like all niggers marks.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Like, let's be honest, everyone knew like, oh there's the
hippie girl, there's like the boho. But I feel like
I've dived more into my passions and I think that's
blossomed me a lot. Like you know, hey, it's not spring.
Flowers aren't the only flowers of that bloom. You can
bloom in any season.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Oh christ Oh, are you trying to convince us or yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
They're called marks fish? Yeah, man, Maya Angelou is rolling
in her fucking dradd nice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Yeah no, I forty five year old women are just
as capable wrestlers as twenty two year old women.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Honestually, at this point, I feel almost mean saying anything
bad about that, because it's like almost it's like a
Stella got her groove back thing. You know, I don't
want to make.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Let's be honest, jo this Stella, this Bella never had
a groove, you know what I mean. I mean, when
Nikki Bella is wrestling circles around you, chances are you're
the weaker Bella. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, you think that would be a problem. Fuck No,
But like like I said, it feels like to some extent,
you know, it's it's your friend that's older, that's just
like they just want to do the thing to feel
young again and I get it. And by the way,
the fact that she's the same exact age as me,

(01:18:40):
Like I'm like, oh, she's forty two, Like oh Jesus,
and I just want to get in there and I
want to wrestle again or whatever the fuck it is, Jude,
I don't want to fucking go anywhere near wrestling room.
You're kidding me, Like fuck yet quite quite literally, it
was like, hey, man, you want to get to do this,
I'd be like maybe if a good friend of mine

(01:19:01):
asked me to do it, so reformce or whatever the
fuck ringing ounds, I don't know, right, but I'm like,
I know, I don't even fucking why. It's you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Because you don't have that that type of ego, right,
Like I mean, even later on in the podcast, there
was a point where Nikki was talking about thirst traps
that she she needs a little confidence boost, so she'll
purposely put out thirst traps just to get fucking attention.
And she's like, but it's okay because I'm admitting it,

(01:19:33):
And I'm like, oh, I mean, I but I don't
know how to. Yeah, Age is not going to treat
these bellots very well. They're not ready for It's going
to be real hard.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
No, you're right, it's going to be real hard for
them to start to accept the reality of their life
and situation. You know, Well, that's that's it. It's like
you play that game. Like I was talking earlier about
the reincarnation. Man, you know, what are you going to
be in your next life? What could you possibly be?
And it's like, well, you already live many lives within

(01:20:09):
your life, yes, And a perfect example of that is
you spend two decades as some girl who gets paid
to exist because you're pretty, and that's not saying you're
not pretty anymore. And it's a fucking shame that. You
know in Hollywood, right, they're like, oh, well, the women
they wipe their ass with them or they hit a
certain age, and that's not right, you know, especially if

(01:20:31):
they're talented and can act. But there is a point
where you go from being the cute, fun girl at
the bar doing shots. Waw, so you're just another middle
aged fucking person. That's it. And I and by the way,
people could be like, well it's me and I'm like
I'm accepting that. As a man, I'm realizing, like there's

(01:20:52):
some shit now where it's like dude, you got to
turn your baseball hat around. You look like a fucking dickhead.
Your middle aged like, you got it. There's some shit
that changes in your life. You have to grow with it.
And I guess if you're a regular person that's lived
a maybe a regular life, it never really had the
experience of people constantly smooking your asshole. That's a little

(01:21:14):
bit easier to deal with. But it's over lady, Like
you said, I'm going to go down there and post
their straps or whatever, and it's like, you know what,
if that makes you feel good about yourself, I guess, sure, cool,
neat whatever. But it's also weird to once again be
somebody's middle aged mom and you're like, look at my ass.

(01:21:35):
Let's know right now, let's not let's not do that.
And by the way, it's no point shit. You kind
of converted me on this a little bit here too,
because I was in the same camp, but you brought
up something and now I'm thinking about her wrestling career.
Nikki Bella and Brie Bella weren't brought into wrestling because
they were seen as these great female athletes and talents.

(01:22:00):
They were brought in to be thirst traps. They were
brought into brit to be the twin fantasy. They happen
to end up with a butterfly belt. But yeah, you
don't look at them and put them in synonymous with
like a jazz or a Molly Holly or an ivory
or well no, I mean you actually hit upon this
perfectly where it's like your success in your life and

(01:22:24):
you know, dude, take every dollar you can for it.
It is what the fuck it is. But once again,
as a person, now you're a middle aged person, you're
in your forties, you're realizing that a huge part of
your career and life revolved around some nineties guys fantasies.
If it's like you menagine fucking twins right, yep, yep,

(01:22:47):
and they're doing the fucking hand canhand whoa imagine fucking
dude two cheek. Second, you're hug and your twins. Bro,
it's like that's your whole life. Yeah, it's your whole life,
and now you're trying to figure out who the actual
fuck you are. Like I said that it's dark, it's
and it's kind of sad, and it's a fucking bummer.

(01:23:09):
But that's not on everybody else I guess that's what
therapy's for.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Right well, speaking of aging out, one more story we
want to hit before we get ready to round the
ship up. So after a photo of him training with
Brian Idol went viral, Nick Hogan added fuel to the
fire during a brief chat with CMZ Sports.

Speaker 13 (01:23:30):
You're in the ring with the legend training, so people
want to know, is there a wrestling career budding here?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
You never know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
You never know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
You know, it's it's in the blood, So you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Is that something that you always liked your blood?

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I always love the business and you know, just obviously
it makes me feel so much closer to the dad
being around the business and being kind of in that environment.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
So you know, I have a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Lot of love for it. And I said, it's in
the blood, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Never know, wanting you want to, yeah, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
It's it's I've always been in touch with everybody, and
you know, I always try to stay in touch with everybody,
and I like to be close to those guys, in
close to the environment in the company, and you know,
like I said, it's a family.

Speaker 13 (01:24:13):
So what does it feel like being in there? Trade
like getting how are you are you, all right, So
basically whatever, I a couple of minutes, but it seems
like there might be some premise to the idea that
Nick Hogan might step into a wrestling ring.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yeah, I heard. His finish is going to be the
brain buster. Fucking get out of here. Dude, isn't he
thirty years old at this point too?

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Would it be caddle mutilation?

Speaker 11 (01:24:42):
No, it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Enjoy it, dude. Enjoy your dad's money. Nobody wants to
see it, Nobody wants to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
I'm actually kind of surprised. I was joking earlier, and
I'm like, I'm really surprised that this didn't end up
leaking sooner. Being being Hulk Hogan's child, I for whatever reason,
thought he would have capitalized on this immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, you'd think you think he would have done it
before the guy died, But he all right. I mean,
I hate kicking a guy when he's down because I
know his father passed away somewhat recently and whatever, the fuck,
But it's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
It's business, it's not it's I'm not making a personal
assessment of his.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's a piece of shit,
Like that's not ourselves, I'm sure, but listen, there are
two wolves in me at all times. All right. I
don't know if I'm if I'm being nice or me,
but like, yeah, I'm sure he's a fucking dildo. But
like it is, like you said, it's almost kind of convenient.

(01:25:49):
You know, man, you could have gotten into the wrestling
ring when you were twenty two. Oh no, you wanted
to just party, right, it's it. You want to party
and use dad's money and be a reality television show.
And now you're thirty five, and now all of a sudden,
like I said, like Nikki Bella, you grow up your
whole life and everything around you when your career is

(01:26:11):
predicated on like, eh, what if their sisters in your
kissing woo? Look at you? You got sisters catching each
other woa, And that's your whole fucking life. And now
you're forty two, and you know, like, I don't know,
should I take up pottery? I think?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Are you trying to say that there's a wrestling fan
out there that wants Nick and brook Hogan to be
slobbing on their knob.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Ooh well, Brooks, Brooks smart enough to get the fuck
out of there, dude, Jesus, No, I know, I'm just
she's the most commendable as of this moment, with the
exception of kids that were former or their parents were
former wrestlers that they went on to become pretty decent
in the ring. Brook Hogan's the most commendable at this yes,

(01:26:55):
being like, she's just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
But she dodged both bullets in the family. She don't
want nothing to do with that, you know, I'm not
going to do with mom. I imagine she probably doesn't
talk to Nick very much either, but who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I wonder why, right, But no, I'm like I said,
and now I'm looking at this and he's thirty five
years old by the way, somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, No, he's definitely not a spring chicken.
And that's why I was kind of bringing up the
age thing too and the correlation there. It's like, just
starting your wrestling career at thirty five, that's that's a
difficult road. Yeah, I mean, when you think of older
guys that have started and had a successful career in wrestling, DDP,
anybody else, Like we got DDP.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
And then DUI. I guess that could be right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
But everybody says DDP, like, okay, great, who else I
can't yeh. At the end, Fatista kinda yes, Batista, he
did start a as Leviathan in what ye know, probably
his mid thirties as Leviathan. The Leviathan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Well, this motherfucker is not Leviathan. All right, let's let's
get that clear. Yeah, but dude, like this is where,
like I said, I look at this and you know,
you know, it's the midlife crisis. It can it can
hit people like a fucking like a goddamn title wave.
Is that maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
All right? Don Cina threw up Rico, That's right. Rico
Constantino was an older gentleman, lived a full life as
a police officer, and then went on to a successful
multi year career with WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Yeah, it's basically a wrestling manager, which is not bad.
But once again, it's like if you're showing up somewhere
and I don't know, this ship has sailed. If you
wanted to be Hal Cogan son in the wrestling business,
you probably should have done it in your early twenties. Now,
like I said, you're thirty five, you're looking around, you're going,
what the fuck have I done with my life? Jack shit,

(01:28:44):
absolutely nothing. What can I do? I can glom onto
what my dad did. Who's dad? And half the people
they fucking used to love them hate him? If not
more so, do you think there to go?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Do you think that that controversy alone is enough that
a company like ww WE would bring him in? And
the only reason I say that is because really looking
at what they did with like Knoxville and looking what
they've done with Logan Paul, do you think and especially
a Logan Paul, Because I mean you can go back
to John Cena and fucking Brittany's husband, But when you
look at somebody like a Nick Hogan, because he draws

(01:29:18):
that much ire, not only because of his own personal
choices in life, but because of daddy's do you think
because he's a controversial figure like that, WWE would bring
him in just to feed the wolves no pun intended.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Well, I tell you what I would have done with him,
like probably years ago at this point, but maybe even
more so now. I think would wear good right, Well,
I mean, we do need people to set up the catering,
but what I would probably have him do at this
point is just apologize every time and just have him

(01:29:56):
hold the microphone, so I'm sorry, and that would be it,
and then he just stand there and people booed I'm sorry,
and just have him do that. I don't know what
else to say to you people, Just as disingenuous as
humanly fucking possible, and that would be his whole thing. Listen,

(01:30:20):
I'm trying to connect with you all on a very
human level. I don't know why you're not. You're not
open to hearing from me, and just going with that
general direction because the father would never never have done
something like that, And had he tried, had Hogan got
in the ring and tried that, how do you think
people would have reacted? Oh, they would have accepted it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Oh, you probably would have been like many really they
really hate you, Jenny, and I don't like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Yeah right, well, they would have been like, yeah, fuck
you Ogan. It would have been like, fuck you, you're
a piece of shit and you're disingenuous and we don't
believe you. So why wouldn't you take the son and
let him have that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Right, I mean that's the only thing he could really do.
What them we're gonna do? I'm going there fucking do
the leg drop like his dad, and shit, people would
be like, just what the fuck is this bullshit? Fuck
out of here? But that's what he'd want.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
But WWE is so Hollywood centric now they really I
don't know. I just have this this feeling, especially with
the way that the price prices are increasing. I saw
somebody posted earlier my god, and I actually had it
back and forth with them. I'm sorry if I forgot,
but I guess the tickets the next pay per view,
like the ground seats are fifty eight hundred right now,

(01:31:32):
and it's like I know that the Elimination Chambers coming
to Chicago and the Nosebleed tickets are four hundred out
of the gate, that's before resale value. And I know
that they had the code them punk. It's like, yeah,
oh boy, Chicago, so the presale code is CM punk.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
No way, Ugh, I love I just love that. It's like, yeah, guys,
nobody can afford anything, so we're gonna sextuple the prices
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
But they're by the way, make up for that. That's when.
But that's the correlation with people like Nick Cogan. I'm
not saying that this is why they would bring him in,
but that seems to be the big thing. I mean,
look at the way that they have Survivor series playing out.
They're dragging everybody. They can't every single name that they
can find in order to just, I don't know, make
such a top heavy show this John's seen the thing

(01:32:19):
better pay off for w W E or else everybody's cooked.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
That's yeah, they well the eggs always go and see
this basket. Oh dude. By the way, I just got
a message from somebody Apparently jis laying. Maxwell's niece is
training with Chasin Rants, so maybe she can make an
appearance too, Yes, I mean, but yeah, well, I mean

(01:32:44):
what was there?

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
What? What?

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
What? What could she's a television someone?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
What could go wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
I don't know, if you want to finish that one
go wrong? I mean, I mean the notoriety. I mean,
like I said, what was their name again? What was
her name again? I think your name was Lorentz.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Never trained with this, don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
By the way, I love that the fucking automatic thing
puts up a thing about that fucking chasing RADSK guy.
By the way, I was really really contemplating in my
head to I go geeesh, do I go do? I
go with Epstein's nephew, I do I go with jess
Lane's niece. I mean, boy, I mean, none of these
are really great options, but you know, choose your own adventure. Guys,

(01:33:33):
up with that one. I'll put that one on your
conscious real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Going to try to for the people that are listening
on the free you probably notice, I'm going to make
it an attempt to try to go back to the
original way we used to do things back in the
day with the breaks, try and at least hemorrhage some
of the ad breaks that are automatically placed. Again, just
trying to let this out there. I think a lot
of people are upset at me personally because of the

(01:33:59):
ad break. I really I have no control over Spotify
breaks at all. Zero, there's no placement options for me.
Spotify places their own and the ones on Spreaker that
we do through iHeartRadio because we're an iHeartRadio partner and
have been for many years, is pretty much just randomly
placed in during supposedly like the dry spots, but that

(01:34:22):
doesn't really happen because it just makes up its own
time when to place breaks. So we're going to try
and do it manually. See what happens, see if it
gets accepted, and you'll probably know by the end of
this episode whether the breaks were replaced better or not.
With that said, make sure to follow the Patreon if
you don't want any of the fucking commercials. Patreon dot
com Forward Slash Wrestling Soup Show, Some love to Tony

(01:34:45):
Talk Wrestling Show, Some love to the RCWR show celebrating
fourteen years with Lee, So he'll be doing that on Friday.
That'll be a lot of fun. And of course Jeff
Lipman Evil Doose as his shows up Garden Thought, and
of course John Draper in the guys over there at
Spitball Media. Much love to Drew YARDI and the experience,
and yeah, I think that pretty much covers everybody. We'll

(01:35:07):
be back tomorrow with Frank and Gus. A lot of
a lot of creepy stockery woman stories this week, Joe,
a lot of them, another more of Yeah, there's three
of them. There's three of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Them, so three Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Yeah, and you know what, I think one of them
will spark a lot of the because I kind of
wanted to bring up the AJ thing today, but I'm like,
it's going to talk about AI and I know we'll
get deep into that a little bit tomorrow. But hey,
thanks for following us on online on Twitter and stuff
like that. Are on Facebook pages, and much love to
Nash Corey. He's got a new animation up and yeah,

(01:35:43):
it's more of me and Joe being assholes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
So I saw that. I'm gonna watch it right after
the show.

Speaker 12 (01:35:50):
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