WRESTLEMANIAS WALLET WIPEOUT or SKY BLUE SHOWS HEART (Wrestling Soup 5.15.25)

In this episode of the Wrestling Soup Podcast, the hosts tackle a wide array of topics, beginning with discussions about serious health issues among wrestlers. They then delve into professional wrestling controversies, including Hulk Hogan addressing his haters and Ricochet’s contentious social media activity. The podcast also explores the high ticket prices for WWE events, including SmackDown in Dublin and WrestleMania in New Orleans. Additionally, they touch upon broader themes like corporate greed, with a particular focus on Netflix and Apple’s recent business practices. Personal updates about SmackDown's Andrew's car accident and Don Tony’s sick father round off the episode, making it a blend of industry news, personal anecdotes, and deep discussions.
00:36 Jim Ross's Cancer Battle
03:45 Wrestling Soup Introduction
06:05 Sky Blue's Injury details
19:10 WWE Ticket Pricing Controversy
30:33 Netflix and WWE Partnership
35:21 The Rise and Fall of WWE Storylines
36:58 WWE's Pricing Strategy and Fan Impact
55:46 Hulk Hogan's Controversial Legacy
01:05:32 Ricochet's Social Media Drama
01:13:24 Closing Remarks and Community Updates


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
So maybe what's going on with him is if they're
going to do the surgeries and they're going to go
through the process, it might not be as invasive. But
I mean either way, it's not like I'm like trying
to put a fucking bright spin on this.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
But so back in November of twenty one, didn't he
have that skin cancer? Well, that's yea, And they found
multiple was its spots on them, so they treated one
bout of skin cancer and then he had to go
back in and that's when he took time from AW.
You took time away from them because they had to
take care of that too.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
God, anything to get away from that company. Huh.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's just man, what a horrible string of luck. Huh.
I don't And then he had to go back to AW.
It was awful.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I don't like. God, this is terrible. What in human?
It's really disgusting how we treat our elderly in this country,
you know what I mean. They have to go through
all these horrible medical treatments and then go have to
commentate bad wrestling matches. It's really it's a terrible thing
that we do to our old people. Well no, I

(01:05):
mean still like with all that said, I mean, hopefully
this gets handled. Hopefully the guy ends up being able
to God, I'm saying it like he's gonna fuck it.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Fah, He'll be fine. He'll be fine, don't Yeah, I
wouldn't freak out about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Just yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Obviously, he's gonna have access to the best doctors.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
He has money. It's not like he's gonna be a
fucking county trying to get this fixed. I'm not saying
that that's good for him anyways. I mean, it's awful
that he has it. But he's how old is he
at this point? Late seventies, right, Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I think so seventy three. Oh okay, thank you, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, so he's not that old.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
But I mean, let's also love the past. Yeah, past
that point.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I I there's usually my cutoff is this. I think
this is very fair. If you make it to seventy five,
particularly as a man, it's just bonus. I'm after that,
that's true bonus time as a man. Yeah, do you
know what I mean? You think about all of the

(02:10):
shit that can happen to you as a man between
the ages of forty and seventy five. If none of
them get you. Yeah, you're playing with house Ladi. At
that point he.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Had a little off mish.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
He was a barbecue sauce salesman.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well now he's a cannabis salesman.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So yeah, he sells weed and barbecue sauce and bad wrestling.
I mean, the fact that this man is making it
into his seventies to begin with that, unto itself is
an amazing feat. Yeah, you know what I mean. And
once again, this dude could live another five to ten
years or even longer. Who knows, but still best wishes

(02:51):
to JR. Nobody wants to see this fucking guy have
a hard to go. It's just about anything. Also, I
kind of hope that this gives him time for his
ADW on track, the runout, so he can go do
something with w w W before before he gets stored
over the top rope.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Wrestling soup wrestling soup. I am Anthony Thomas, he is
Joseph E. Numbers, Oh nah, ninety degrees and tornado warnings.

(03:33):
It's yeah fun.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't think it.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I don't think anything's gonna happen. It looks like the
dimness has already left and there wasn't much raining. But yeah,
it's it's already ninety degrees here. Man, it's gross.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I really would hate the idea. And I see why
you want out of there. You're like, this place has
crime and tornadoes. Ye kind of bullshits, and and what
you got snowstorms? You've got everything.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, our winters are colder than most because
of the Lake effect and the wind chill.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
And then and at least if you live somewhere in
the south and there's bad crime and you can get
hit with hurricanes and shit, you're like, well, at least
it's nice out most of the time.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Right, Well, I'm not going to get that either. I mean,
I'm moving to fucking Phoenix. Yesterday it was one hundred
and something degrees.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
So ah, yes, but the heat is dry, sir?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh Is that that the key?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah? I like it. I like it. When I was
talking to this, I'm talking about this with the wife yesterday.
She doesn't like heat in general. She's not a big
heat person. And I'm like, in the desert, I'm like, damn,
I'm fine with this. I don't mind this shit. I
think this is okay. I don't hate it. It's not
the worst. It's better than sweat and nuts all day and.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
You're gonna sweat nuts and a hundred degrees. What are
you talking about. It's a different type of nutswell. I
almost said, I almost said a different flavor. But apparently
people on YouTube. Now I got an accusation of being
gay this week.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I don't oh, I saw that. I did.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I know that's surprising people on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I was more surprised that it was three in the
morning and you were responding. I'm like, what the fuck
is Joey doing up?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
We got a shit sometimes? Well that that was the
day after Fogo to chat Way.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
But.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
So there I am blowing things out my ass, being
accused of blowing things into my ass, and I'm thinking
to myself, I got to wake up in two and
a half hours. I'm not happy about this, right, you
know what, This is not a day to make jokes
about this after talking about Jim Ross, everybody, Yeah, take
care of that shit pipe, you guys, you'd be good
to it, all right.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Taking care of things. Sky Blue did an interview today speaking.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
About a shitter yesterday.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, she opens up about her terrifying ankle injury that
happened back in July of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
On July twentieth, it was a collision. I was the
only when there. Kyle was home and I was all
the way and Arlington's.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Terrifying, sitting on the couch watching live. Worst experience of
my life.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Yeah, And I was catching a dive and I've caught
dives before, so I didn't think anything of it. And
it was as she jumped I could tell that there
was like something off with it, and it was either
her head was hitting the floor or I was gonna
dive and catch her. And I dove and caught her.
And the second I felt it, I had rolled over
to get up because I had to crawl to where

(06:28):
I was going. I felt my foot dangling from my leg.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was literally I could feel it detached. It was the.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
Grossest feeling I've ever felt. And before I even told
the ref, I was like, hey, my ankle is messed up.
There was already a doctor in front of me. Because
the doctor her name's Eva, I love her to death.
She was like, you're done, Like.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're not getting up.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
I was like, no, no, let me finish the match.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
So I brought this up case in point for a
couple of reasons, because we did talk before about why
in the hell is sky Blew not back from injury?
And we looked it up. We saw that the regular time,
even at the worst, was about six months. And this
is already happening almost a year ago at this point,
where we're getting close to a year, what eleven months,

(07:12):
nine months off? Nine to yeah, right, so it's already
been longer than the time that we allotted or that
is usual for an ankle injury or an ankle break.
And I said it didn't look like her leg fell off. Well,
apparently I was wrong. Her her leg fell off. But
the one thing I found even more interesting than this

(07:34):
was sky Blue, a relative newcomer, like she's that's fair,
How would you Okay, so a newcomer wrestler, right, had
the wherewithal and understanding to protect her opponents dive.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Meanwhile, I see where this is going.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Meanwhile, you have veterans stepping out of the way on
that TNA program. You have been dudes stepping out of
the way and trying to catch somebody with half an arm,
half a hand.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Oh, I don't know what we're saying. Is sky Blue
greater than Moose? Yes, that's that's telling you something.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Blue has girl balls, girl balls.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
She's got bigger balls than Moose. I mean, I don't
have to say the top dollar. That's already. I mean
we all kind of well. I love that Dan in
there he said, yeah, cool down, lady, top dollar almost
torus bic almost.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
But that was crazy to hear it out of her
own mouth. She's like, I was just dangling there. I'm like, oh, so,
then the worst possible thing that could have happened to
your leg happened to your fucking leg. Okay, well or not?
That explains it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
By the way, now that you explain that, now I
feel bad making fun of her voice. She does have
a very moopy voice. It's a very Chicago girl voice.
Is that a Chicago girl voice?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh man, that.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Is an administrative assistant, a second administrative assistant voice.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Absolutely scream she goes, sit down, You're done. I was like, okay,
and I was terrified because I just wanted to finish
the match and I had never felt anything like this.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
This is the her rs never Yeah. Yeah, that's Chicago
girl voice.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's very Chicago.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Oh. Oh, here comes the rain. Oh that's what that
Oh yeah, did you hear a zapp oh ship?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh damn, dude, just getting spooky out now.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
It just shook, It just shook the apartment.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Dude. That's you know what that is. That's actually a
warning from a fucking top dollar. You got to say
anything bad about him.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
God says, do not do not speak ill of the
top dollar or actually would it be speak erol of
the top dollar?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Zeus? Is that you are you telling us that we
need to speak kindly?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Sky has little girl balls, unlike Moose, who has moose
sized balles.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't know about that, Zeus. I think he's afraid.
I think he was a scared I sea. Oh all right,
all right, damn, damn, damn, Zeus, tell me something about
tid Okay, So, yeah, that's really fucking absurd if you
think about it that way, where it's like Skyblue, twenty

(10:42):
three year old girl probably around that age two steps
above basically having Rakishi's fucking asked shorts on had a
better sense of where she should be and protecting her
opponents than all those fucking goofballs. Do you say? Good?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Now, let me ask you this too, because I guess
this really gets into an interesting debate or conversation on things.
Would most of the wrestling talent look at Skyblue like
an idiot for doing that? Or does she actually get
kind of the praise for putting her body on the
line to protect her opponent or I'll protective the talent.

(11:22):
Does that really matter?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, I don't think it was Nya Jacks, so okay.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well I say that simply because in that situation it's okay.
Was she stepping up and being a vet, which is hilarious,
or was this an instance of somebody being purposefully sloppy,
do you know what I mean? Or was it an
honest the goodness mistake, Like if this was Britt Baker,
I'd be like butterfall, butterfall, because you're making a mistake.

(11:52):
This is somebody that thinks they're king shit and then
is fucking up and hurting themselves. It's like, yeah, I'm
not getting hurt for your dumb ass fuck, you know
what I mean. There's a very different thing between that, Hey,
I'm just trying my best and I'm learning the ropes
literally and figuratively and blah blah blah. It's okay. Well,
let's try to make sure this kid's safe and then

(12:12):
someone who's a pomp as fucking assholes.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, I eat ground, it goes on. She said. I
was terrified because I just wanted to finish the match.
I never felt anything like this. It was the first.
It was my first major injury. I snapped my fibula.
There are now two long screws, one on each side
and one on the other side, and a plate with
six screws. That's probably the scariest thing ever. When they

(12:36):
asked her about is this the end of her wrestling career,
she didn't hold back. She said that definitely crossed through
my head a bunch of times, especially at night when
I couldn't sleep. I'd be like it would be four
in the morning, and there were times I would have
to lay with my legs straight because if I moved it,
I was in pain. It was a difficult period. Kyle
was the best because he could be like, tell those
voices to shut up. You're going to wrestle. You're not

(12:59):
just going to sew on this couch and mope.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, because she's with what's his face, the kid Fletcher?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Right, yeah, Kyle Fletcher.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh oh yeah, Well, I mean that makes it less cool.
But just thinking out loud. Yeah no, I mean truthfully,
if she'd have been like, yeah, that's enough playtime for me,
I could understand that at some point. Because if you're
a twenty five year old woman and you just is
not already.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Washing around with Frankenstein's ankle, yeah maybe yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And you have other ambitions in life, I'm like, what
do you want to do? You want to be a
thirty year old woman walking around fucking terry funk right,
nobody should be hoping for that. That shouldn't be the goal.
But also, at the same time, this is what the
fucking aw style lens too. It's just kind of unfortunate
when you think about it, because how many guys on

(13:51):
a daily basis on these shows do shit that's ten
times more stupid and they get up and they're like, oh,
we right, I'm fine. But still, I mean that's another
part of it too, when people get all up in
arms about it, and then people get pissed. It's like, yeah, well,
you know what, one hundred and twenty pounds. Girls aren't
supposed to do the same thing at one hundred and

(14:13):
eighty pounds, like muscular manner supposed.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
There you go, you can actually see the bolts and
the scars right along her her ankle. It's huge, man,
it's got to be at least what about six inches
five inches. It's two separate ones too. Yeah, it looks
it looks normal. Yeah, that's right, it looks Yeah. No
more feet picks.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I know. She's like, I thought about rehiring, and then
I realized, can't be selling these little piggies on the
free market. Yeah, damn it. Yeah, no, dude, if whatever,
I mean, I think that she's a decent enough wrestler,
and I hope she if she wants to do it,
she wants to go back and do it. Great, she
wants to fucking ride out her Tony Khan free money

(14:58):
contract and then go do something else. What they're life
also fantastic. But that's it is. It is very funny
when you put it into that perspective where you have
this person who, like I said, she could just run.
This girl doesn't have to do to do shit. Oh yeah,
she could have gone in the ring and fucking phoned

(15:18):
it in backwards. Hat little outfit sold t shirts, head
fucking simps, fucking sniffed the fucking mad after she was
done wrestling.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
But and this is her arts. They teach you that
in aw wrestling is art.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Okay, now you just made it on cooling.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Okay, shit, yeah sorry.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
That never mind. Today, I'm a fucking artist, dude.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah no, I know she wrestled last night, dancie. I
think I saw that too. I'm just showing this because
this literally came up that Yeah. No, this was like
a couple of days ago. She did this interview. Was
it on Q one on one? It might have been
on radio on TRESTLLL.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I'll tell you what if I'm if I'm wrestling this chick,
I'm going fucking straight for that ankle, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I mean either that or she could adopt like a
Lex Lugar ankle gimmick.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Right, Oh yeah, like she wears a fucking metal boot.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, she just takes or rolls down the boot. Oh
what's this a boot? And then she just kicks you
right in the ribs and you crumble over.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Do you know what? Though, I think now that if
she has a bionic leg, she's got to change the name. Yeah,
she's gotta change the name. I always thought the name
kind of sucks.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
What about club foot? And she can come out wearing
like nail Me's dance gear and shit clubfoot.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Peg, Peggy leg, you go that something something catchy like that. No,
I always thought the name kind of sucks, to be
honest with you. Yeah, sky Blue. It's like some guy
who's like, I'm gonna wrestle. It's like, what's your name?
Forest Green?

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Like that big robs his collar, old iron ankles.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, all right, let's let's try to think what we call.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
He says dost Boot. Oh all right.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well you guys, what you guys got, Well, she's not
what she's hispanic, I believe right.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Sure, you know what. Gorgeous women don't have a colored joe.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Come on now, Oh that's a good, good answer, good answers.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
You.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Troop's kind of like that one. All right, you guys
made fun of velveteen dream, but you get points for
that one. I am putting another jelly bean in your
jar mish. Good job.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
You did good. No, but I have no frecking idea.
That's why I'm thinking to myself, I'm like doss Boot.
Maybe she could be a maybe a German gimmick. I
don't believe she looks looks.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
It doesn't matter. I mean a boot is fucking Canadian,
as Allen, I still think that's.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Oh so Canadian, Canadian, Sky Canada Chicago.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
It's a big Canadian contingent here in Chicago, all thirteen
of them.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
So well, what is it? She could join with Jericho
now and be Sky Vodka.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
That's what wow?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I wish that on no one. By the way, as
somebody that has not watched AW in fucking a while. Now,
is Jericho still on the show? Please?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, I thought you're gonna say, is Jericho still drunk?
And I would say yes, yes, yeah, is.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
He more than likely at least buzzed right now? For
the answers? Is he boofing somewhere in Florida at the moment?

Speaker 4 (18:46):
So I was talking a little bit earlier about we
were talking a little bit about the ticket prices. Are
guys Steve and the Alleged Wrestling podcast. They're trying to
make it to Doublin to go for SmackDown tickets, and
I believe the ticket price is that they're paying is
around seven hundred and fifty euros, which is like nine
hundred dollars in American money, in real money, And they

(19:09):
didn't even have front row tickets. They're not even ground level.
I was looking at where they were placing the seats
and they're mid level. They're like the upper mid level,
which is fine. I mean, I haven't seen the actual
arena haul or anything, but the placement is the section
behind the front row section back behind that, and I'm like, okay,

(19:32):
well that's insane. So they're paying basically four hundred and
fifty dollars a ticket for I believe those two tickets.
Was it one ticket or was it two ticket? Well,
you see, you know what though, yes, first time taping ever,
first live taping in Ireland ever, right, I was going to.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Say, you know what, I had an icky face for
them saying that. But if it is the very first
time they've ever fucking been in a country, I could
see them being like, hey, this is a big event
or whatever it is. It's a SmackDown, but they're they'll
probably put a little something special on it.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Something it's nine hundred dollars. For me, it's it's still
a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I think that's absolutely insane because I didn't know about
how much power Ticketmaster holds in Ireland, but yeah, apparently
the same shit that happens here with ticketmasters is the
same shit that happens over there, and so basically they're
getting these crazy tickets. And it was funny because when
we were discussing this earlier before the show, there was
also another point that TKO kind of came forward and

(20:34):
said that there is a tremendous upside with our new
WWE ticket pricing for them.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
For them, I mean, let me tell you, we've really
loved this new gas program. It's been going swimmingly for us.
Let us tell you the positives. We make more money,
We make more money, and we make more money. It's great.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Speaking at the JP Morgan Annual Global Technology, Media and
Communications Conference, that's catchy. Tkoco. Mark Shapiro commented on WWE's
live event business quote, we cut those house shows down
to where now doing two hundred events a year, we

(21:18):
cut them seventy five percent the number of house shows
that we do. We feel that's a good place to
be and will continue to prune as we go through.
WWE has a tremendous upside on global partnerships, tremendous upside
on new ticket pricing, tremendous upside on site fees, dynamic

(21:41):
pricing and yield management all areas we are really focusing
and pushing in. Oh yeah, you're pushing in a rather
pushing in on as it's related to live events. As
you saw on our first quarter, our margins significantly expanded

(22:01):
as it relates to WWE live events.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
If you guys are confused by our new pricing project,
please do yourself a favor and watch the seventies classic
film by Wes Craven I spit on your grave. Oh yeah,
oh no, but dude, let's let's kind of call this
all right. I have two important things that pop into
my mind when I see this, okay. First, Firstly, the

(22:26):
day that somebody says to me, this wrestling show is
four hundred and fifty dollars, and they're all four hundred
and fifty dollars going forward, I'll say I've seen enough
wrestling for the rest of my life life. I'm okay
right that that will be my first reaction.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, i'd pay for fifty if it was front row.
I pay four to fifty in a heartbeat.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I wouldn't pay four fifty if it came with a
steak dinner and a fucking handy. You aren't enough shit. Yeah. No,
I mean, dude, I've seen enough. I've seen enough to
wear Someone says four hundred and fifty, man, there's some
good hand. I well, okay, that's fair enough, all right, dude.
I saw William Regal wrestle Chris Benoi in a fucking

(23:09):
dark match at a house show in two thousand and
one or two thousand and two for twenty seven dollars.
I don't need to spend four hundred and fifty dollars
to see Otis do the worm. God love them, but like,
I'm not spending half a fucking mortgage payment to see
the ship. Just totally understand it's absurd. But here's the

(23:29):
thing with that said, though, this is where I will
come to the rescue ever so slightly, and I will
kind of play Devil's advocate. If you were ever a
person or ever a fan that was sitting there going,
oh my god, they're beating the shit out of these
wrestlers and they're just working these house shows and their
bodies are getting destroyed, and the house shows are so bad,

(23:51):
and there's term and I just say them, yeah, dude,
that's why the shows are now fucking three hundred and
fifty to four hundred dollars to walk in the door,
because when at least they had the house shows, they
could price the tickets at fifty sixty seventy five bucks
or even less at points because there was more shows,
more options, and you were able to go and see them.

(24:11):
Like I said, I mean, we're kind of weighing it
out here. It's yeah, you know what, it's not a
great thing to beat the shit out of these here's
where girls.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Here's where I have to throw it in addendum. Right,
So yeah, on that scenario, you're right, it gives them
that option. But we're not at a point where WWE
post WrestleMania are giving us stories, are giving us reasons
to go to an event for nine hundred dollars. No, no, God, No,

(24:39):
that's the problem. If these were top of the line
stories and the fans were into these stories at a
fever pitch, if there was a reason to go to
these shows, that you actually have to debate if this
is a good decision or not. That's good for business.
And I was saying that earlier. The supply and demand,
the cause and effect. You you have great fucking cards,

(25:01):
you have stone cold versus Vince McMahon. Yeah, somebody's gonna
pay nine hundred dollars for a couple of middle of
the road seats to see something like that and feel
good about it. Because I'm wondering if the recourse for this,
especially down the road, if Triple H and the creative
team can't come up with compelling reasons to get fans

(25:23):
to want to spend that money, are you just putting
that out there and burning out the fans? Because if
those fans in Dublin, Ireland get a lousy piece of
shit show, If if and when WWE goes back after
they're done fleecing them this first time, they might not

(25:44):
want to go the second time. They might be you
know what, I'm gonna watch it at home. It's a
lot cheaper, right.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's it's one thing to get twenty dollars out of
somebody and they walk away going eh, right, But if
somebody spends five hundred dollars and it's Ivy Nile versus
Bird Girl, they're gonna be kind of fucking pissed, and
rightfully so, do you know what I mean? Like you can't.
This is where that whole thing comes into play. A

(26:11):
price point where if you go and stay at a
red roof in and it's seventy five dollars a night,
and you go in there and it's relatively clean, and
you don't get bed bugs and none of your shit
gets stolen and your car doesn't get broken into. You're like,
all right, fair enough, But if you spend five hundred
dollars to stay in a hotel room, you're like, where
the this place better looks fucking nice, right, do you

(26:33):
know what I mean? You're like, okay, the bed better
because the bed better massage my back, my ass cheeks
when I get into this fucking thing because I'm spending
this much money. And maybe they don't see it that
way because you're talking about billion dollar, huge rich people
companies where they're just like, oh no, people will just
allow us to piss in their mouths. They're fine with that,

(26:54):
and you're not. Wrestling fans are not like other fucking fans.
They're not like sports.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
They're also very fickle and very emotional. And when you're
talking about the fact that worldwide right now, nobody has
this expenditure of money unless you apparently work for TKO,
where you have this money to burn, and if you're
giving these people this event, and this event comes up
short and dramatically, So how do you hemorrhage that bleeding? Look?

(27:23):
WWE is expanding into new markets all over the place.
Obviously there's the Triple A deal up. Japan is on
the list, like they're opening up the doors to a
new pseudo territorial system which we haven't seen in forty
fucking years. And at that same point, if you're doing
this just to just to frack every goddamn country you

(27:44):
come into contact with, you might not have anything left
to go back.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
To, right right, And that's it. It's like we're now
starting to deal with the ideas and the business model
of the company. It's like the fucking War acts, dude.
It's like you would you chop down all the fucking true? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
What right?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
You don't? Motherfucker Well, can we come back and six
munch and get trees? People like no, we can't afford it, dude.
The trees are all gone. You fucking took it all. Shit,
And you're like, are you sure we can't get more
money out of you? Yeah, no, there isn't any to
be had.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
I will say, I'm looking at the actual tickets. Steve
threw them up. So the tickets were seven hundred and
twelve euros total, right, it was three hundred and fifty
six euros per ticket. Their service fee is fifteen ninety
the Ticketmaster service fees in the US or what three

(28:40):
hundred dollars. It's literally six trillion bunds. It's almost as
expensive as the tickets. So they have a fifteen euro
ticket fee, and I'm just like, oh, that's that's gorgeous.
So basically, in reality, if you had American rules playing
in Dublin right now, those tickets would easily be fourteen

(29:01):
hundred or fifteen hundred euros for two tickets.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, by the way, this is just also a reminder
of how much Americans quietly accept just getting fingered constantly
by big companies, where like over there they're like, hey,
British people, we're gonna raise it three dollars. They're like, fuck,
you will literally never use you or go to your
shit ever again, and they're like, okay, never mind, we'll
take their In America, we're just like, oh nope, nope,

(29:25):
dig deeper, please deeper, thank you, thank you, we'll take more.
And then you go, hey, should we be angry? Should
we be angry about this and it's a shut up commie,
what are you a fucking what are you pinko? And
it's just well, no, I'm just sick of these big
companies fucking me overs. Oh meanwhile, they're also poor. It's

(29:47):
what an amazing job people have done at getting fucking
brainwashed here where they just suck off companies while simultaneously
hating their guts. Well, it's the weirdest shit.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Speaking of sucking off companies, I wanted to throw this
out here too. I talked about this a little bit
excuse me earlier. Netflix is doing really well, guys, They
are doing really well. The WWE RAW has been their
tester system for live events and commercializing those live events,
and they are beyond pleased with how much they've been

(30:21):
able to utilize their partnership with WWE, their pseudo control
of WWE on a streaming platform, and it has brought
the eyes of new and bigger sponsors, more sponsors than
they were expecting. So Netflix is now at the point
where they're going to grow RAW. They are going to

(30:42):
include many new sponsors within watching RAW every week. And
the flip side is this also allows them the ability
to raise their subscription, their subprice, their subscription price by
good ten dollars for people that want to watch these
live events. So on one hand, you're going to either

(31:04):
be faced with watch all these new commercials every week
on Raw or pay extra money for their streaming platform,
for their live streaming platform, ten dollars fee on top
of what you're already paying for your Netflix. So this
is working really well for WWE. It's working exceptionally for Netflix.

(31:27):
And WWE has been a good job. They've they've been
a good trooper and open.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
The consumer can each shit and die.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, pretty much, Yes, that's great.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Good job guys. There is this point there's definitely going
to hit some sort of wall. And I'm only saying
this because I look at this and think to myself,
once again, these are wrestling fans. They're not like other
fans of different things. Just because you could get a

(31:57):
wrestle Mania crowd, which they didn't even fill out. They
didn't fill out Philly, right, they didn't fill out Vegas.
The buildings look full, but they weren't fucking jam packed.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
They also, to be fair, to be fair, Monday Night
Raw is the main catalyst for this, but they do
also credit the Mike Tyson and Jake Paul fight, and
they also credit the hot dog eating contest that they
had on Netflix as well. So whoa there, that's how
many millions of people were watching the hot dog eating

(32:28):
contest on Netflix?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Cause and why are you screwing us over but getting more? Yeah,
you assholes, Big hot Dog needs to pull their weight, thanks, big,
big hot big. Of course, the big francaceutical industry coming
in here, ruin it for the rest of us, you know,

(32:52):
how fucking No, dude, this is where things are just
so absurd and acidine to where at some point, like
I said, people are gonna just flip the fuck out
and stop paying for the shit because oh wow, you
guys seem to be enjoying this, and they're like, yeah,
we're having a good time. Well, dude, great news. We're
gonna make it eight times as expensive. Isn't that good

(33:13):
news for you? Aren't you happy to hear this? No?
What the fuck, dude. Taylor Swift fans are a good
example of just a fan base that's so fanatical and
a lot of them they'll go see her whatever once
a year when she goes around. She's a traveling church
let's call it what it is. And women, and let's
be real, predominantly women that are fans of her. They're like,

(33:36):
I'll spend a fucking thousand dollars to see her from
a fucking quarter of a mile away. They don't care. Right,
that's not the same fan base for Cody fucking Roads, right,
like Cody Roads and even Roman Reigns. However, you want
to try to like, oh, these guys are big, and

(33:59):
there's something to the wrestling fans, the audience, even Sina
where we say, oh, Sina was such an important part
of these people as that they don't have still the
emotional connection of somebody like that, where it's like a
musician or a sports team where somebody's I used to
go with my grandpa to go to these games. This
means more than anything to me. If you look at

(34:21):
somebody and say, hey, the price of a used car
for you to go see some fucking disposable wrestlers that
might not even mean shit to you, book ended by
a couple guys that you'd like and think are kind
of entertaining. Eventually people are just gonna stop paying. There's
no way that this is going to be sustainable. Wrestling

(34:42):
fans are used to paying very very little, and that's
not saying they're not going to ever pay, but they're
certainly not going to pay that premium.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, that's the thing though, too. You don't see it happening.
I think there was absolutely a giant bull not in
the level of the Attitude era. There was not much aftermath,
but there was a giant boom where the Cody stuff
really caught people's attention. They really fell in love with
the story. They knew what was going on with WWE.
The first initial inclusion of the bloodline with Roman and

(35:17):
then the Super Avengers versus the fucking Thunderbolts type action
that was happening. People were digging it and it was
fun and it was a lot of fun, and I
told the story and then you had people like see
them Punk come back. Even the Rocks involvement helped John
Cena coming back. There were all these little things to
bite into that I think overall the fan base was

(35:37):
overjoyed at. But now we're at the point where everything
has either been played out or it has kind of
jumped the shark as far as stories go. Look, we
made our comments about Jeff Copp not being the guy
to reinvigorate the bloodline two point zero storyline. We get
that Paul Hayman joining up with Seth Rollins doesn't do

(35:58):
anyone any favors, especially when Seth takes the microphone and
puts Paul in the back for some odd reason. Like
there's nothing really setting the world on fire at this point.
The johnsenor retirement Tour, even though it's probably the best
thing that WWE has going on right now, it's still
marred in all this confusion because of The Rock being

(36:18):
an old fuddy duddy that can't let go and is
fucking with the storylines. And now they're supposedly like the
TKO involvement and the creative process because the Rock and
Triple H still don't like each other on some point,
and this is all just conjecture because we don't know
the whole story. But besides that, it's this weird paramount

(36:39):
that we're at where instead of having this fan base
grow and get bigger, the balloon is already feeling like
it's popped. And I don't know if once again, Triple
H and the creative team, I'm reiterating myself here, but
I don't know if Triple H and the creative team
have what it takes in order to catch these story

(37:00):
lines before they just completely shit the bed because we're
not there yet. I think that everything that WWE has
right now is salvagable, but it is going down fast.
I really think the way that Rustlemania ended unanimously turned
people off. It really did. And I think right now
that we got past backlash that was a courtesy. There

(37:23):
is almost no buzz going into money in the bank,
and I know that they have the qualifiers and stuff,
but I don't feel like the fan base was even
as strong as it was last year.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's not. It's really not. And I think that that's
you can't. You can't simultaneously get lazier, get less impressive,
and then triple the fucking price of your show.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Right, And that's where I agree with you. Yeah, it
almost feels like it's a fire sale on the part
of TKO them raising the prices right once again. I'm
one of those people that can continued to give them
the benefit of the doubt. I kept thinking, Okay, well,
this is WWE dealing with Ticketmaster, Ticketmasters one raising their prices.

(38:09):
There's a reason that there's all these fucking court cases
against Ticketmaster in the way that they're doing things with
their things, with their service fees, et cetera. So it
wasn't even like I was putting all the blame on WWE.
I figured it's a mutual blame between them and the
other conglomerate that wants to rule the world. Well, now
we're at a point where WWE doesn't have to fleece

(38:29):
people like that. Clearly, in Dublin, Ireland, their service fees
are fifteen euros, basically what twenty thirty bucks in American money.
It's like Ticketmaster doesn't have that kind of power over there.
So the reason those ticket prices are so expensive is
because WWE wants those ticket prices so expensive. And there

(38:50):
was another thing I was reading too, which was kind
of gross and once again rumor conjecture, not sure, but
they were so happy with the sales in Las Vegas
is that they want to raise the prices for New Orleans.
And my whole thought was that's gonna be insane because
people in New Orleans aren't gonna be able to fucking

(39:11):
deal with that. They're just not And I mean, we
made the jokes during WrestleMania that Oh, I'm sure WWE
is just hoping a bunch of people win at the casinos,
which very well may may have been the case. A
lot of people going in there with fifty bucks, get lucky,
walk out with five thousand, buy some nice seats. You
never know. But when you're talking about New Orleans, that's

(39:31):
a different part of the country, that's a different culture,
a different environment entirely. And you're telling me that WWE
sees dollar signs in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Ah, dude, and this is where it's going to be
completely predicated off air travel and people coming from other
parts of the country. Because this is not even me
trying to be fresh, not talking out a fucking court here.
I'm not saying anything that people don't already know. Louisiana
has some pot gets of money, but it's predominantly a
very fucking broke state. It is not a wealthy state.

(40:08):
Well I mean Louisiana as a fucking hole, right, it
is not a particularly wealthy state. So even if it's oh,
we'll drive over from this other part, no, there's not
a shit ton of money. If you, dude, you're talking
about a place where somebody they got you think.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Let me let me ask you this, because you're bringing
up something I'm kind of curious about. Do you think
strategically that's what WWE wants And I know strategically that
might be what New Orleans wants in Louisiana wants that
there's nobody from New Orleans at the WrestleMania. It's just
all money from everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I know.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Right, Hey, guys, good news. You can come to We're
coming to your city, but you're not coming to worship.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, you're not gonna be able to see the show,
but you're gonna get paid over time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh dude, So how much is the average rent in
New Orleans? Fourteen hundred dollars a month, which is pretty
fucking cheap for the way that people are paying for
stuff now, right, right, all right, So let's see how
much is the Let's see how much is the minimum wage?

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Oh yeah, they're one of the lowest. They're one of
the lowest in the US.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I guarantee you it's fucking ten dollars or less. Let's
say in Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Minimum wage seven.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I dude, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even pull back
my foreskin to piss for seven to twenty five an hour.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go one step further.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
That's humiliating to pay an until pay anybody that in
the year twenty twenty five, that's gross.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
In order to get nine hundred dollars mid mid level
New Orleans WrestleMania tickets, you would have to work one
hundred and twenty five hours before taxes. Oh that's it, yes, yeah,
so after tax after taxes, that goes up to two

(42:07):
hundred and ten, you'd have to work two hundred and
ten hours after taxes for one fucking ticket in Louisiana
to fucking WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Sow and ten. So that's what a month a month
at the Mickey D's. And by the way, this isn't
even like when people talk about minimum wage.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
A month a month and basically two weeks.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, six or six weeks.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
You have to work six weeks straight, not pay any
of your bills for six weeks straight to buy a
ticket to mid seats at WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
And by the way, what are you walking there? Yes,
of course when you get whether you get in there,
what are you gonna do? Just eat the garbage? You
know what trash?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
You fast for six weeks. You're not eating nothing, buddy,
not eating that month or that month and a half.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
WWE percents eat from a dumpster.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
What was the Ethiopian kid's name from South Park?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, Starvin Marvin. WWE percent sell your plasma. Oh my god,
WWE presents. Who needs teeth?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
It's messed up. But they were very happy with Las Vegas.
I don't doubt it. And once again, this feels like
a fire sale kind of thing that they're going to charge.
They are going to bleed everybody dry as much as
they can and then just I don't know, pop bust
watch people no longer show up to shows. Here's the

(43:46):
long term thinking. They're so proud right now, Mark Shapiro
is so proud that they're getting rid of house shows.
It's going to be funny when they fleece the wrestling
fans so badly with mid tier story lines and exceptionally
high pricing that they have to go back and rely
on house shows again.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I was gonna have it. Yeah, they're gonna end
up at that point, right, And do you know, do
you know how fucking funny it is to me that
they're going, oh yeah, we're doing. Yeah, we're so happy
with charging you this more money, like we're just so
we're so pleased, well, not having any sort of sense

(44:28):
of awareness of the fact. Like I said, seven twenty
five an hour is the minimum wage.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
You want to hear something crazier about that too, That
is a federal mandated minimum wage. Louisiana itself does not
have a minimum wage. So there are people technically that
are getting paid even less than seven to twenty five
an hour to work in Louisima.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
That's fucking horror, horrible, horrible twenty five This is twenty
twenty five stats.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, by the way, just so you know, when people
brag about or have these attitudes about some of these
fucking dumb, dumb states and they shit on places like
big cities and they're like, well, you're a moron for live.
Uh it's yeah, dude, I'm sorry. I can't listen. Where
where they pay me four dollars an hour?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
That's oh four? Wow, I'm a big old dummy. I
should move somewhere where they pay me six seventy five
or seven twenty five an hour. That sounds like a
good idea, Like it's still though to some extent. These
people probably should be holding their lawmakers accountable and fucking
tell you know what, embarrassing, but they won't do that.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Has this has a lot about the Louisiana restaurant business,
because right, poor impovished people make the best food out
of shit that shouldn't taste as good as it does.
Don't get me wrong. We're not grabbing grasshoppers off the
ground in shoushing or nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Not to thatdics, right, not not yet, not yet.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
But Louisiana probably some primo food. Man, I've never I've
never had Louisiana in Louisiana, Right, I'm amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh I'm sure that they're like, thank you for that
three finish.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah, come for WrestleMania, stay for the gumbo. That's right.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, They're like, they're like, come to WrestleMania. Please give
these people your money. Right, because because they live in
a place that there there lawmakers are still saying, so wait, wait, wait,
we can't pay them five dollars an hour.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
They can, It's up to them, technically, Joe. Since they
have no minimum, there could very well be a job
in Louisiana that pays a literal dollar an hour.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, you know what, that's what freedom sounds like. I
like that. That to me, that's a what of world?
Who doesn't want to live like that? You guys don't
want to live like By the way, everybody, aren't you jealous?
Aren't you so jealous of those Irish people? Don't you
wish you lived like this?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Why are companies leaving the country when they could just
go to Louisiana?

Speaker 7 (47:15):
Serious?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Right, right? Just get them on there, put them on
a thing, put them on a float, play some play
some jazz. Be like, hey, we're gonna go there. Pay
you three dollars and twenty two cents an hour, and
they're like, that's a twenty two cents an hour. Raise.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Dan asks if I've ever had alligator knuckles. No, man,
I've never had alligator knuckles. I've eaten alligator before, though.
I was in Florida in the Everglades and they were
serving that up and it was delicious.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Have you had moose knuckle?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Yeah? Too many times? I have it every other night.
Joel Jesus Christ R R r R sounds just like
that too, My goodness, what are you in my head?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
By by the way, should moose now? Should move? Since
he was such a fucking chicken shit and ran away
from catching that guy. Should he start calling himself moose sknuckle?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, he should. He should.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
He starts calling himself moose knuckle and he comes out
to Melissa answerages. I want to come over. I'm not
the only one.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
But the Netflix thing is is kind of bothersome what
a joke. There's gonna be so many more commercials now
because it's been so successful. I know we've talked before
about the ring banners and stuff. How you feel about
the commercials and inside the ring of the branding and stuff.
I think I'm in the middle. I think that the
branding is fine, but it shouldn't be these stand out,

(48:41):
colorful brandings. They should be almost the same color as
the mat. So if the mat is blue as it is,
then maybe make the brandings like a navy blue something
that's not so jump in your face every time you
see these guys fighting in the ring. So if you can,
you could still have the branding in there. Shit doesn't
bother me. I don't know why people are bothered by it.

(49:03):
It's been in boxing for years and CMLL for years,
like it's always been a part of the thing, I think,
but you can design it in a way that it's
just not such a fucking eyesore, you know, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Look so low rent and cheesy. Yeah, right, But there's
so many different things right now that they're doing that,
like you said, are just so obviously a cash grab
to the point where it's okay once it starts to
like you said, affect the product to make it less interesting.
If they're not putting the level of care and quality

(49:36):
into this shit, then yeah, people are going to push back.
And I know, and I know everybody thinks, no matter what,
you're gonna have x amount of slobs that this is
there everything. They only care about wrestling, it's the most
important thing in the world. But at some point somebody's
gonna look at it and just go I fold. Even

(49:58):
the person that, even the person that is the most
addicted to fucking gambling at some point goes eye fold, right,
even somebody that I mean, you know this, for years
when they raised the prices of cigarettes, right, there was
always that thing where, well, people are addicted, they're not
going to quit. I'm like, you're telling me that there's
at least not some.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh are you kidding me? Most people determined how they
would quit or when they would quit, based upon how
much they were getting charged. In Chicago when I when
I started smoking, I think it was a buck fifty
a pack, and that was Yeah, that was a while.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
And it's only gone up twenty times.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Or fifteen times. No, now it's sixteen fifty a pack
in proper Chicago, but if you go up to O'Hare,
it's like twenty five thirty a pack. So boy, yeah,
it's fun. That's why I don't get my cigarettes in
Chicago anymore. It's it's really bad. But I mean, that's
how a lot of my friends quit over the years,
was I'll stop smoking when it hits two fifty a pack.

(51:00):
And then two fifty a pack comes around, they're like, oh,
hold off. And then it hits three seventy five, and
then it hits four point fifty, and then it hits five,
and it just keeps going up enough. But at some
point everybody stops. And it's never they stop, because all
of a sudden they quit fucking enjoying the cigarettes. And dude,
even the health conscious people didn't even stop smoking. There

(51:20):
were plenty of people jogging around the fucking cigare the city,
the city with a cigarette in their fucking hand. I've
seen it. I've literally seen it. So it wasn't even
it was that. It was always about the money, because
when you start looking at it and you're like, how
much am I spending a month on cigarettes? Well, five
dollars a day times thirty that's what you're spending it on.
You're spending that. How much is that a year? Like

(51:43):
you start weighing all these things out and you're like,
it's not fucking worth it. And that's where people are at.
And now it's sixteen fifty a pack. It's not worth it.
It's not worth it to anyone. So and and by
the way, people.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Aren't chemically and physiologically addicted to professional wrestling, right you know.
Especially by the way, now imagine if you could watch
cigarettes for free. Yeah, they have that and guess the
same almost the same level of enjoyment.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Well, that's called the puffins. The Puffins is like the
new one I think it's called it might be called
something else, but it's basically an air cigarette. So it's
a little wood thing that I think Germans came up
with it because of course engineering and it's like there's tobacco.
There's a tobacco cartridge in there, and you suck on

(52:34):
it and you get a nicotine fix. But there's no tar,
there's no fire, there's no smoke, there's no smell, and
that that's what you do. So you you suck on
this cartridge, you get an air hit of nicotine and
none of the other shit.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So yeah, but unfortunately, the biggest marketing flaw they have
is if you hit it too hard, it plays Kanye
West's new song.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Oh we did that earlier, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Because it's Germany.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Great.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, but by the way, the fact that that song
is out, it's like it's just prooved to me at
this point, and it's unfortunate that like their lives and
deaths don't align.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
What was the song called.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I think it's called Yay Everyone? Huh. I think it's
called Everybody, Let's Be Pals? Isn't that the name?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Is that what it was? I don't know. I don't
think that was.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, you know what, I think that's the You just
don't understand the things that he says on Twitter. Mish.
That's I'll tell you. I heard that song and I
heard some of those lines, and I just go, oh,
my fucking God. First of all, First of all, the
spirit of Wesley willis his final form is clearly that

(53:49):
of Kanye West. But also secondly, now this is where
we all need to stop and think and look around
and say to ourselves. There are people that have so
much fun money that they're allowed to be absolutely insane
and nobody does shit about it. Because if if he
was just a regular dude working at a machine shop,

(54:10):
his family would have had him institutionalized. Oh yeah, there's
no there's no fucking way around this. If this was
a guy that worked in an office, like somebody would
be like, listen, he's got to go, he's got to go,
he's gotta be fucking taken care of. But instead it's
he's got all the money in the world, so clearly

(54:31):
he's got a vision, he's got an idea. Yeah, I
mean not saying that. I blew. My cousin song was
also not a hit, but good fucking God, can somebody
please get to get to span some help. Can somebody
put him in a fucking he means to be institutionalized.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
He's a little insane.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Joead Yeah, just we.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
The music video was pretty rough too, Oh yeah, dude,
all the dancers, all the all the ebony dancers singing.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
That the choreography. All right, so what do we sing?
So we're singing along to the song. Okay, so what's
the what's the chorus? N word Heyle Hitler, which, by
the way, right there unto itself such irony.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Well you know what Joe's speaking of? N word Hyle Hitler.
Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I was gonna say, how are you transitioning that? And seamless?

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Hulk Hogan addresses his haters that still have a problem
with him.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I wrote that song before Kanye Diet. He stole that
song from me in Metallica. Actually Metallica wrote that song
and Hulk Hogan was on bass.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
So he was on er roped it and I said, well,
they're still nipping at my heels. I can go out
there and get booed. That's just the last time I
was in LA, I was Hollywood Hogan with a black
beard and doing the bad guy thing. I can go
out there and get booed in LA, or the rock
can get booed in LA, or John Cena gets booed

(56:08):
in LA. But when I get booed, that's a whole
different reaction media wise for some reason, for.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Some reason, no, no, no reason, no reason, I'm clueless.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
For some reason. I believe that type of groundwork that
people are still interested in what I'm doing. Eh. And
so for those that are on the team and are
riding with a train to the station, that's great. For
those that are the haters and still have a problem

(56:44):
with me, there's nothing I can do to fix that
except just keep proving by my actions that I'm still
in the game. I'm still pushing hard. I took a
lot of time off because I had twenty five surgeries
and I was down for a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
If he had twenty five surgeries, he would be a
blob of scar tissues.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yes, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
He would look like the cheese monster from Spaceballs if
he had fucking But by the way, I think we
figured it out. So the original version that Hogan wrote
off the new Kanye sogn he goes, brother how Hogan,
That's what it was. Yes, that's the They don't understand
the things that I said on that video, brother.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Highly Wood Hogan. Yes, I've watched Gonna do. I've always
loved the hunt. I've always loved to get back in
the game. But it's always been that way with me
because my whole career I had that top spot. Brother
no matter what it was. Even through the eighties, I

(57:46):
was the it was the fastest draw. During the nineties,
it was just a situation where everybody was knocking me.
Everybody was trying to knock me off that top spot.
I'll trade that for not being on the bottom of
the card, if you know what I'm saying, or being
on the bottom of the pile of life. So for me,
it's just part of the territory. I mean, it's like

(58:07):
when you get booed and then you get three point
two billion engagements and all of a sudden and then
you rock that whole world in LA and with how
much interaction there was on the Internet, I'll take it.
There are certain people that boo the character. There are
certain WWE superstars that have an opinion and they had

(58:29):
advice for me, Becky Lynch. But I would like to
ask those same guys when I go to New York
or Chicago and the people cheer on the rooftop, on
the rooftops, on the rooftops, I would like to know
what their advice is then, and what their opinion is.
So it's a double edged sword with me, brother, And

(58:50):
it's always been at the least part of the character.
It's part of my personality, it's part of my professional life,
it's part of my personal life. It's all of the above.
And at the end of the day, I'm just an old,
scarred up seal with a bunch of scars on me.
What are you fucking? Jesse Ventura? And I'm really and
I'm really relatable to most normal people because a lot

(59:15):
of normal people have been through stuff and I have professionally,
a lot of people have made the same not the
same mistakes, but personally made mistakes. And I'm still relatable
to so many normal people. If they boom me, fine,
if they're on the team lead, that's great too. So

(59:36):
not hate on anybody, brother, I'm still here, I'm still
moving forward.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Oh yeah, let's call it that.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I like that the people that are maybe upset with
hell Cogan are somehow abnormal.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, they're rare's Yeah. Listen, listen, brother, listen, brother, heaven
we all fucked our best friend's wife on film and
then called called o daughter's boyfriends the end word multiple
times and said we hated them We've all normal people,
normal people stuff, brother normal brother brother stuff. Can he

(01:00:11):
just you know what, I this is why we need
to have the NFL draft sound clip on on call.
That's something we got to add to the repertoire permanently.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
You could do it on yours too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I mean, oh, hey, right, I don't have it just yet,
so I'll just bam bam bam bam. Houlk Hogan has
been drafted to Hell and returned for saboo bam bam,
bamm bam. That's fair, right, Jesus, I say that's okay.
I mean, fucking this is just embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
It's horrible that he's he's even still trying to defend this,
that he felt some need to go out there and
address these haters like Hogan. You know why people are
upset with you? You fucking know why? What are you
going to do make them forget you said it? Your
apologies don't work. You've apologized a lot. People either don't

(01:01:08):
believe you or don't fucking care. They don't like you.
Stop trying to win them back. As soon as you
accept that and stop bringing them up every twenty seconds,
You're just gonna have to deal with that. As long
as you're in the limelight, stop being in the limelight.
Why are you in the lawn? Why are you starting
a whole new company? You have enough money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
At some point, at some point when you look at
the way that this dude is still moving around in
the world, you have to say, is this is he
just so out of his fucking mind in such an
egomaniac that he's almost getting off on this humiliation. As
long as there's some reverence, as long as there is some.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Static, Joe, what a horrible thing to that you need
to prop you up. I don't I wouldn't understand. I
have no concept or reasoning or understandability of why you
would lean into that just to keep in the limelight.
That's weird, man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Well. Picture going out in front of a crowd and
your your whole intent is to get them to be
happy and cheer for you and excited to see you.
And you look around in anywhere from sixty to eighty
percent of the crowd is fucking booing you, and you
have tunnel vision and see the three people and yeah,

(01:02:31):
I love you, and you're like, yeah, those are the
normal people, brother, right, The thousands of people who are
pissed here. They're weird bro right, those are the weirdo spros.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Those are the sis.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yeah, yeah, those sick.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
It's just it's just dumb. It's you know, he knows why. Look,
I've seen him apologize a couple of times. I don't know.
People are still saying that maybe never apologize for the
racial slurs. I I'm not sure, right, I'm not even
going out on a limb there, but to try and
fiend ignorance. Why you don't know people when you don't
know the reason why they're booing you, that you think

(01:03:09):
that they're booing you because of the wcw angle back
in LA thirty years ago. Yeah, when they think that
they're booing you because of the match you had up
against the Rock is what? Dude? That was two thousand
and two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Jesus Christ, do you do you have any idea? And
this is once again like he's just fucking old and
doesn't put this together, like he doesn't understand that they're huge.
Like the world continues on, we age, we become more
and more irrelevant as time goes on and on, whether
we want to realize it or not, or accept it

(01:03:45):
or not. So him being like, yeah, yeah, bro, they're
all remembering with something that happened in the year two thousand.
It's no, they're not terry, right, No they're not. Because
there's because there's a lot of people that are in
that crowd that were fucking two years old when that happened.
All right, they don't remember. This wasn't their first memory?

(01:04:06):
Was you? Motherfucker?

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Do you think that he's slipping? Like mentally do you
think that? But I'm saying, do you think that's where
he doesn't know? Here's me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
You're combining a lot of shit. There a lot of problems.
You're combining CTE, you're combining obviously having severe fucking narcissism,
You're combining drugs, alcohol. I'm sure you're also combining years
and decades of steroid usage. So it's yeah, I mean,
my god, if this guy truthfully was even somewhat mentally

(01:04:42):
in a good place, it would almost be more surprising, right,
And that's not an excuse. That's a reason. If you
look at the way that this guy has lived and
the level of fucked up he has been for as
long as he is, you're talking to a fucking a
bowl of sausage gravy. It's basically what you're getting from
this guy. At this point, his brain should be mush

(01:05:05):
it should be fucking tappyest.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Well, speaking of mush mushy brains, ricochetst what did he
he did something else in he's addressing the negative reactions
to his post on social media very much the way
that you say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
They don't understand the things he says on Twitter. They
don't let me see my kids, some Ricochet. I don't
have kids, but they won't let me see them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
He used the C word at some point. He was
on the Battleground Podcast and he addressed the negative reactions
to a social media activity, obviously bringing up the stuff
between him and Javon Evans, and even some more stuff
happens earlier today where YouTube got back to Samantha Irvin
and said, see see you guys called me a liar,
but even YouTube said there was a problem with the video.

(01:06:01):
It's okay, dude, whatever, but no one cares. Nobody cares,
he said on the Battleground Podcast. A lot of people
seemed upset about it. A lot of people were upset.
I think what I'm doing is just live in my life.
Everybody is out to get me. But I'm finally just
living my own life and everyone is getting a chance

(01:06:23):
to see it. If I'm being able to creatively, let
me flow and be myself, being able to show the
world myself my character. AW has allowed that. They've allowed
me to go out there and try things I want
to do. Whether it works or doesn't work. They let

(01:06:46):
me go out there and open up creatively, which is
honestly the reason we got into it. The creativeness. That's
that's why he was arguing with Javon Evans everybody. The creativeness.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, it's just create it's creativity.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
It's an art form that we live for. I've lived
my whole life basically doing this, being able to be meself.
It's awesome. It's been great to agitate.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
So he thinks trolling on the internet is art.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Yes, wow, Yes, And the reason he's attacking everybody but
AW is it's AAW's form of allowing him to be creative.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
My god, they're allowing me to be creative by trolling
people on the internet, which is about the least creative
thing that anybody could do in this day and age.
If you let me tell you, just give it a
quick look around at the world right now and seeing
how things are going, if you really wanted to do

(01:07:50):
something creative, make people care, engaged, interested, feel a fucking feeling,
because I'm constantly inundated with just looking into me, Like,
are there songs anymore? Is there music to people universally enjoy?
Are there movies that everybody's we're all going to see
this movie? Are there TV shows even where five ten

(01:08:12):
years ago everybody watches Walking Dead, breaking, bad, fucking Game
of Thrones. It's just like, we're so culturally void of
something that makes people excited and feel fucking feelings. But
you think you're being creative because you're going on the
internet and acting like a fucking cunt to people half
your age.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Well, here, you want me to you that's creative to you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Cool?

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
You want me throwing the monkey wrench on that too?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Remember he was upset that Dominic took his gimmick. Oh
this is all his version of what the Dominic mysterial
character would have been had it been Ricochet's time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Oh boy, we missed out on all that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
We yes?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
He said this in another interview Sino a while ago.
I think it was like maybe about a while ago,
maybe a month maybe a month and a half ago,
when he was talking about Dominic mysterious character. He was
the one bringing up that he wanted to be a
troll type character in WWE, that these were his options,
these ideas, and they didn't go for it. They were like, yeah,

(01:09:16):
we got Dominic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
We already got one of them. We already got one
of these dudes that does it much better, right, which, which,
by the way, this is where you also end up
in this position of wrestling k fabe. And by the way,
anytime we talk about this, there's always comments it's fake, bro,
it's what are you fucking stupid? And blah blah blah
or whatever the fuck and it's okay, Well, then you
got to make a decision. Are you in k fabe

(01:09:39):
or you a character? Are you telling the truth or
you're bullshitting Because.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Now we're move the goalposts. It doesn't just yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Keeps scooting around, scooting around. But we're at this point
where you are going to try to present yourself in
any different way. You can't look, Oh, I'm a fucking asshole,
No just kidding. Oh no, I'm a nice guy, but
I'm playing a ca character as an asshole. No, but
this is the real mee okay, Well then what you're
gonna get because your message isn't on point and because

(01:10:08):
you're not clear and what you're saying in your intention
is people being equally as shitty back to you. Drew
McIntyre was on the internet doing this trolling thing, right,
he's fucking with people, but it was very targeted. It
was very specific. It was the people that he was
and it was shit.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
With tele It was cheeky the way that Drew carried
himself online as a troll. It never felt like it
was venomous. It didn't feel egregious in any way. When
Drew was being a troll, it was like, oh, we're
kind of laughing with you like that. That was sharp,
but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I'm wrestling seem punk. Here's a picture of me with
Jungle Bull.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
It wasn't fuck you kid, You're only wrestling in front
of two thousand people. Mark, it's fun. How is that trolling?
That's just saying something shitty O.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Be annoying, but that's it is. I think he thinks
big annoying is the is the move. And also when
he was to say, oh maybe dominic I just like
that was mine do not only yeah, not only is
he so above anything this fucking guy's doing. But when
you think about it, you go, okay, well, then what

(01:11:14):
are you doing in your matches that was reflective of
this character? Because I'm pretty sure you're still doing flippity
do fu. I know what he does, shooting stars and bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
I know what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Oh oh cool, it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
So that's his contribution.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I I gotta tell you there must be a point
with people in w W E and like it. They're not.
I spent an hour shitting on them about them ripping
people off. So let's let's call it fair, let's eaven
it out. But I'm sure there's people in creative that
are seeing the ship that he does, the ship that
Sasha Banks fucking Goofball does that a lot of these

(01:11:57):
people are showing up to aw and doing and going,
oh my god, dodsha fucking bullet God, thank god, we're
rid of these idiots, you know what I mean? Like now,
of course, with that said, I'm sure they're sitting there
and seeing even like a Tony storm and going, why
did you bring that fucking gimmick to us? Y asshole.
We could have done something with that. You go and

(01:12:18):
do this on the clown Show. We could have made
money with that with you. But by that same point,
like I said, they're going, oh, that's the best ricochet
I had as a guy that's been wrestling, yes for
twenty years. Thank god, we get rid of that moron,
or we let that guy walk out the door. You
know what I mean. There's nothing behind these fucking people.

(01:12:40):
They think that creativity is doing something that's redundant, that's annoying,
and they're like, that's gonna that's gonna draw money, that's
gonna make people excited. No it's not. No one's going
to give a shit. Nope, it's not going to make
aw a dollar. But once again, that never was their
business model anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
With that said, much love everybody, Thank you for listening
to the show. Make sure to catch the show on Patreon,
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wait wait.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
So I saw that? So Apple? They lost their little suit?
Is that what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
They lost They lost everything, They lost every single one.
They are forced now to give people an alternative to
forcing their app down people's throats. So the whole thing
was is if you use Patreon or coffee Cup or
any other outside platform on Apple, they would charge you
a fee depending on how much you were paying for
that app. And they lost that. So now people have

(01:13:43):
to or Apple has to allow people an alternative to
buying their apps, and they're not allowed to charge for it.
And they were also holding all of our money for
seventy five days, so anybody that purchased Apple or purchased
Atrian or anything like that through Apple, we wouldn't have

(01:14:03):
seen payment for another two or three months. Two months.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Oh wow, that's great. But then then they make sure
they get all their money once again. Correct, once again.
But don't don't ever let yourselves be fucking fooled at
these companies give any shit about the consumer, right, not
the littlest flick a third. By the way, Apple will
also lost another lawsuit with their charging port too, right,
isn't that that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Yeah, they're losing everything across the fucking board, man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
So yeah, you got you, God damn greedy. Hint hint
tko hindt hint.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Let's get out of here, much love, We will see
you guys tomorrow for Frank and Gusts. Make sure to
check out the new Alleged Wrestling podcast. Support the boys
over there. Make sure you check out the Don Reynolds
and White Chocolate Show. They do some saboo thoughts. Much
love to them, The Evolved Show coming up with White
Chocolate and Jeff Flipman, The RCWR Show with Lee Sanders,
and to show a little love obviously Don Toni's dad

(01:14:57):
is very ill in the hospital. And our very own
Andrew Carluk from SmackDown and obviously very well from Rustling Soup,
was in a horrible car accident yesterday and he's okay,
but you could definitely see he's got burns all over
his head from the air bags. And basically what had happened,

(01:15:17):
I mean, long story short, he was driving, it was raining,
and the guy in front of him had no headlights on,
it was dark and just stopped in the middle of
the road. They weren't even at a cross section or nothing,
just just stopped in the dark at night, in in
a in West Virginia where there are no lights on
the on the interstates. And yeah, I fucking wrecked him,

(01:15:40):
hit him in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
And so yeah, send send him, send him your love,
and also remind him that Top Dollar almost tore his bicyx.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Yeah, so Moose almost lost a knuckle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Moose. Yeah, I know, Moose almost had somebody graze his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
But I did talk with him a little bit on text,
and we'll probably see him on Friday night for post
SmackDown as well. So much love for hanging out with us.
We'll talk to you soon, Peace miss. Follow wrestling on
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