WWE RAW or JUST STRANGER THINGS (Wrestling Soup 1.6.26)

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh sorry, I was just making a jade cargole house show.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Ah, well you know I had to.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Drop a jade cargole real quick. Yeah right over there.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. It's it's uh, just
reading up on some news that I was missing. It's all. Yeah,
there's a lot of fucking injuries or fake injuries or whatever.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jesus Christ, I was gonna say, I understand if if
last night took it out of you. I totally understand
that's the case.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
What do you mean it wasn't a great show?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Uh. I have a feeling that yesterday I was I
had some really I was a little bit combative about
a lot of things yesterday from a you know, from
a comedic standpoint. I was trying to be silly. But
today I almost have like this disappointed uncle vibe right

(01:11):
now how I feel about the show that happened last night,
Like I'm I'm like let down in a way where
I'm looking at it and I'm going, all right, could
have been shittier, I guess. But also at the same time,
I think we were pretty dead on yesterday as far

(01:32):
as saying they need somebody that has one idea of
how to how to write these shows, because what the
fuck was that, dude?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was It was awful. It was awful through and through.
I'm glad that you see or saw raw with rose
tinted glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh no, no, no, no, let's get let's we I'm
not saying it was good as a show, all right,
we gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, wrestling Soup. I am Anthony Thomas, he is Joseph E.
Numbers and uh yeah, it's time to cover raw as
in going in raw, as in rubbed fucking raw, as
in being raw dogged over and over again every week
lately watching this show.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
By Satan's Big red Dingling.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
God, it was not good.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was rough. It was rough, but honest to God,
the way that I would describe this show is that
there was a lot of a lot of matches and
a lot of segments that happened in a vacuum that
if you put him in the right time, in the
right place on a different show, we'd be having a

(02:47):
completely different conversation. But the fact that this was like
a two and a half almost three hour long show. Yes,
and this is what someone wrote this down on paper
like this nailed it, fucking nailed it. You go, who
who's writing this fucking card down and saying to themselves

(03:11):
this is perfect in one fell swoop. If we took
all the matches that happened on this show and spread
them out and added some different segments at different times
of the of the night, and this one's leading into
a pay per view all the sure. Fine, it's not
like an individual problem that I have with the majority

(03:34):
of the talent that was on the show, and it matches.
It's just picture. You're a fan in Brooklyn. You spend
a couple hundred bucks at least to show up to
Monday Night Raw, and the vast majority of your show
is incoherent strung together. It was, honest to god, it
was a women's wrestling show. That's that's what it was.

(03:57):
And I know you're a women's wrestling fan and you
don't seem too pleased about it. So who was this for, dude?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I mean, obviously, there was three big title matches that happened, right,
Let's weigh in on the good stuff before we get
inside the dirt. There was three title matches on the card.
We had Punk versus bron We had the Kabuki Warriors
versus Ria Neo Sky, and then we had Becky versus Maxine.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Out of those three matches by far, in my opinion,
the best match was the first match the Kabuki Warriors
versus Rio and Eosky. They consistently put on great fucking spectacles.
And I actually kind of laughed at Michael Cole kind
of revealing the curtain and saying, man, these matches get

(04:49):
really good and intense when Oscar's in the ring. It's like, yeah, Cole,
because Kyrie fucking sucks. Kyrie is awful.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And also, yes, we all know that about Oscar for
a decade.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, all surprised Oscar has good matches?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No way?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Right, am shit?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
What what else are you going to tell us next?
That people like Rhea, that Eo is a good wrestler, Like.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, that Ria and Io both know what they're doing
in the ring too. It's almost like you have three
out of four people that know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And wait a second, charismatic and pretty no way, right,
no way, we didn't know this about these girls.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
As far as a team match goes, it was great.
I had good spots in there, like and again Osca
has to carry her team, you know, and she ramps
it up and her and EO actually were Usually it's
real Ripley for me anyways. Usually it's real Ripley and
Osca that are going balls to the wall at each other.

(05:54):
But for some reason on Monday, EO was fucking really
throwing it in and I'm like, oh, okay, switch pace,
no problem there. It was almost like Eel was tired
of lowering yourself down to Kyrie's level and decided to
wrestle on oscars. So yeah, that was a fine match.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, this whole thing with Kyrie too. To some extent,
I'm not like I say this every show, not actively
watching SmackDown well enough to know this, But did did
Julius say something to Michelle McCool or something like why
is she.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
She just got so I know, leaving Julia That just
I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
But on this on SmackDown is now basically officially the
B show, and the sad thing is ross the A show,
and it's this fucking discombobulated.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Honestly, the way I see people comment, dude, SmackDown is
the C show next to NXT. I see more commentary
about NXT than I do smack Down these days, and
I still think that that Friday Night is a death slot.
It's always been a death slot, but now it's really
starting to reveal the worm in the corpse because it's
like WWE isn't doing great right now at all. So

(07:05):
the problems are going to get amplified. And one of
the biggest problems is how little and how small SmackDown feels.
At least with that XT you're looking at the people
getting groomed for tomorrow for a better choice of words. Uh,
but I mean you're at least watching people that are
going to come up soon, probably after WrestleMania and might

(07:28):
make bigger debuts, you know, like oh, I mean they
did kind of mention that Javon Evans was on Raw
he couldn't be there, but they definitely.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, no, no that. Yeah, but we didn't need Javonne
Evans on this show.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
No, you know, no room, no room. They had all
that time that they had to eat up with Stephanie
va Kerr getting her asspy for forty minutes.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, for almost virtually no reason, Like this was Nor
showed up during the commercial break. Oh that's awesome, yippie.
All right, Let me, let me, I gotta rail myself
back in here. The tag match in a Vacuum was

(08:13):
very good. This this could have been the main event
of a raw very easily, because I really want while
I'm going through this show to make sure that people
aren't thinking of being like, man, what's with all the James? Eh,
what's with all these broads everyone in the show? No? No, no,
but like, you need to have an actual mixture of

(08:36):
talent men and women on the show, and they have
to look different and there has to be a reasoning
behind them being on the show, right, And yeah, this
was very good, and yeah, okay, it's your opener. That's
an interesting choice. You put the baby Face Women's tag

(08:57):
team over. This could have been, like I said, the
main event of a raw down the line, and instead
it's the opener on the show. I don't get it.
I don't understand the choice here, right, Well, it is there.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, it's kind of like when they put brock lesnar
versus somebody else first on the show. I think that
they're just kind of assuming that they really have to
top load or front load the show because they really
didn't have much else. I mean, and before we get
too much further with the tag team stuff. I did
kind of want to bring this up about Osca because
we kind of we went right past it yesterday because

(09:34):
we kind of did a makeup show for last week yesterday.
But there was a little exchange that happened. I don't
know if you caught it, but Shana Basler did Chris
Van Vliet the other day or maybe about a week ago,
and she brought up a story when she was talking
about badasses and CBV was talking about like injuries and such,

(09:54):
and they came to this roundabout discussion where Shane had
talked about the time that she kicked Osca in the mouth,
busted her teeth out, and by the time she got
in the back, you know, Osca had her hand over
her mouth. She was covering herself and she's like, oh,
it doesn't hurt. I don't feel a thing. I don't
know why I should be in a lot of pain,
but I don't feel a thing. And Shana was kind

(10:15):
of not saying this in a mocking fashion. She was
kind of laughing, but it was mostly or at least
to me, the way that it came off in that
interview was she was laughing in a way like that
bitch is impressive. Like, I don't know anybody that wouldn't
have dropped to their knees and started crying if they
lost their front teeth, you know. And that's kind of

(10:36):
the way it came off, even during the interview. But
cultural differences led Osca to take a very rare l
on her response. She went on Twitter and she said,
you know, my tooth was fractured due to a mistake
by Sheena Beseler. At the time, I told her I
was okay because I didn't want her to carry the guilt,
but I ended up needing surgery, and of course I

(10:58):
wasn't okay. Didn't want her to feel responsible, knowing that
these things happen in our line of work. Yet she
now mocks me by imitating my reaction from that moment,
turning it into a joke. Is that what passes for
common sense? Those who laugh along with her are just
as cruel. I still like her, but I've realized that

(11:19):
that's just the kind of person she is. But that's
just the way the world. I've always known that I
blame no one. I don't wish misfortune on those who
lack kindness while they spend their time laughing at me.
My ideal life is already nearing its completion. Now, this
was this was captured by Vince Russo's guy, like he
took the screenshot of this because she apparently edited it

(11:40):
later on and kind of took out some of the
sharp tone to it. But this was her initial reaction
to that. And you're right, I heard your reaction. You're like, oh,
that's kind of unfortunate, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, there's a loss in the sauce kind of right conversation.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's what I feel like that reaction was. I
don't think Oscar truly understood that Shana wasn't laughing to
belittle her. If anything, it was this maybe it's an americanism.
It's an American colloquialism where we just kind of laugh
at things that are horribly cruel, right, the gallows humor
kind of thing. But at the same time, I felt

(12:15):
like she was and Shana was being very earnest, she
was very forthcoming with how she felt about Oscar, and
none of it felt like it was coming from a
place of like mockery.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
But no, she was trying to obviously say, yeah, this
fucking moment's tough. She's tough shit, and this is.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Coming from an MMA girl too, So I mean, like
it's just kind of like, I guess there's layers to
it that must have been missed because it's like Oscar,
it's one thing if another wrestler tells you your tough,
but you're talking about a girl who's gotten in there
and gotten her fucking bell rung a few times too,
for real, on purpose. You know. It's just I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, that's that's just one of those lost and yeah,
lost in translation kind of moments. But I don't know. Man, Still,
Oscar's fucking great, Oh he.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Is, She's amazing. That's why I had to fucking mention
this because it's it's such an odd thing to say, hey,
Oscar said something really weird and stupid online.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
What Oscar she avoids the internet for obvious reasons. Well yeah, yeah,
so that's that's a shame that that got under her
skin in that way, and nobody was around to kind of,
you know, relate to her, to be like, oh no, no, no,
she's saying that like she's a fucking tough, intimidating woman.
She's not trying to say like, ha ha, her teeth

(13:33):
were broken. Ha ha, that's not I'm not who she
was going for. Yeah, I have dishonored you, like, that's
not right, so what she was going for? But no, man, Like,
there are so many fucking people that were not featured
last night on this show that I guess, Like, like

(13:57):
I said, when we're going, well, they they had Oscar. Uh,
they had Ria. That's fucking cool. These are the women
that are over. It's like, yeah, but where the fuck
is everybody else? Where are all these people? Wwe has
so many people under contract and I don't want to
hear any of this, Like, well that Joshmackdown person, giuse
a fuck, giuse a fuck. It's supposed to be the

(14:19):
Raw Anniversary show and you got stranger things on there, which,
by the way, I guess we can just address this
out right. Uh So the stranger things thing was a
van that was the whole show. Yeah, they said, look
we got a van and that's the music in a vein.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh boy did they They played? That music is almost
as much as the Ossie clip.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I swear, dude, talk about a go fuck yourself moment. Huh.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Now the audience, not one actor from the show, not
one actress from the show, not a writer or a producer.
Nobody there representing Stranger Things, not even in Netflix execut
to come out there and go, oh, Stranger Things is
the biggest phenomenon in the whole world. Nobody just, uh,
why are you doing Stranger Things because we're contractually obligated

(15:12):
to talk about it. Oh, it's an upside down raw Wookie.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
But by the way, this is similar to if they
were you know, hey, we're doing a Ninja Turtles movie,
all right, Like, oh, it's the Ninja Turtles. And by
the way, the Ninja Turtles are.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Not well, they at least showed up in the ring
on Saturday Night. It's main events back in the day, Joe,
I remember, do.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You remember the Turtles?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I remember the Turtles. No, But like, the funny fucking
thing in the situation is just like, okay, yeah, we're
promoting the new Ninja Turtles movie. And then they were like,
there's the Turtle van. Yeah. Yeah. You can't even get
a guy in a fucking Michelangelo costume to show.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
What I would think, So do you think that's even
the same van that they used in the show or
do you think that's like technically.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Probably something from a car So there's probably somebody that
does car shows and travels around and made a replica
of it. And by the way, God bless them, because
if you can make money off that, that's kind of
that's smart. You know how many Dick had owned, you know,
owned a phony batmobile and drove it around to car
shows for thirty years and we're like, sick, I'm making

(16:23):
money off this, you know, that's it's its own it
is what the fuck it is, right, But there's like
forty people on that show, on that Stranger Thing show.
They couldn't find one of them.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Nope, they couldn't have even had an actor or actresses
play Oh, what's the main bad guy? Not the demo gorgon,
what's the other one? Yes, they could have. They couldn't
have gotten somebody to play the role of Vecna. Like,
it's just.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's so once again lazy, cheaping out, not putting forth
the effort. Just I know, I know that they've essentially
been bought by private equity, So it's just what the
fuck can we ring out of you for money and
give you as little back as possible? But good God,
can we get somebody that's working on this show with

(17:17):
any sort of actual creative passion at all at all, Because,
like I said, yeah, you have this first match, Yeah,
it'd be a great main event on some random rock mats.
You open your throat out there, have the title change. Well,
you're really setting up the rest of the girls the
next two matches up for success. Huh. They actually kind
of just sticking a thumb in there fucking eye. I

(17:39):
don't get it. I really don't get it.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
It's it was lackluster through and through. I mean, we'll
get to everything else in a minute, but I mean overall.
When they opened it up, Corey Graves popping out wearing
the Stranger Things shirt or the hell Fire Club shirt
and shit and making fun of the fact that Cole
doesn't know Stranger Things. Why would he.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
He's like the old man.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, he's like a sixty five year old man. What
the fuck does he have anything to do with Corey.
You're out of your fucking league on that one. You're
too old for Stranger Things.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Unless he has kids. Well, I mean he has kids
that are around the age that will watch it, so
I guess maybe that's just out like if he was
if he was like, yeah, my my kids that I
had with my wife before I cheated on her with
Carmela's like they're all they're all old enough to watch
the show.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I mean, I'm sure, yeah he was. He was in
a rare form too, because I think he was making
uh who was it that he was. He was kind
of licking his lips over Oh god, he's the show
is somebody.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
He's such a he's doing so much better, but also
at the same time, it's such an odd, so fucking odd.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Like we're just playing to forget that he's married and
now he's just leering over these other women. It's like,
I mean, I guess the character makes sense, but uh.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
And Michael Cole makes no reference to it either, but
almost makes it more strange, Like you think that Michael
Cole in that moment would be like, hey, you know,
I know your wife man, Like just even to have
that sort of organic interaction, how's Carmelo du So Corey

(19:19):
Kid's birthday is this weekend? Like just even giving him
ship on that kind of way, as opposed to like,
you know, like if you were sitting next to some
guy and by the way it's broadcast to the world.
It's not like some dude you work with and he's like, hey,
look at that fucking girl and she ought or whatever.
It's like, dude, everyone can hear you. You know that, right?
You know?

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Maybe it's maybe Michael Cole has a lot worse that, uh,
that Corey knows about. Maybe maybe Corey knows about where
the skeletons Michael Cole's closet are buried. Huh. Michael Cole
is just a big old pimp.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Just what's wrong Cole? You don't know about strangers things.
I'll tell you something strange autoerotic exphyxiation. And he's like, whoa, well, Jesus, Michael,
leave a little bit for the rest of us, you
know good? Yeah, No, this is a god that that's

(20:18):
that's the opening to the show. Like anybody in Brooklyn
truly gives a platiff piss about these guys, about these announcers,
which like, shit, Corey Graves, Corey Grave's gonna say hi
to us. They think somebody's coming out from the TV
show and it's Michael Cole and Corey Graves. I mean,

(20:41):
my god, Like this crowd was deader than a Blincoln
as Yeah, it's there. They had one hundred percent reason
to be like we got fucking screwed over.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, that nothing. I mean to finish off the part
about the tag team match. Obviously, it was the first
title change that we had on the night. Ripley in
Sky are now the Tag Team Champions, which is fine,
that makes sense. It's the culmination of this. It almost
feels like they're going to try and move everybody to

(21:17):
different aspects. I'm hoping that the Kabuki Warriors break up
and Oscar kind of goes back on her own again
because Osca is direly needed in the singles division. She
really is. And with Stephanie now being taken off of
TV because of injury, and I don't even know how
long do you think that's gonna be, They're gonna take

(21:38):
her off to the Royal Rumbles, Like that doesn't even
make sense either. So 're Kel goes out there, right,
this is We're just gonna bounce around a little bit.
Rare Kel beats the shit out of Stephanie in the
ring and then continues to beat the shit out of
her in the back and now she's done. She's got
an ankle injury. Wink wink, and she's gonna be off TV.
It's the same shit that they pulled with La Night.
It's like, oh, people like them, get them off TV?

(22:01):
What the fuck? Right?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Quick, quick, get him out, Get him out. By the way,
the the corese thing, they didn't need to They didn't
need to explain this all right, and they could have
done it like you said, you know, maybe the next
week or something like this just did not need to
be rushed out on television. It was yet another segment

(22:25):
where something happened and it's like, oh, well, hey guys,
you all into this girl? Yeah, we else. She's gone now.
Don't worry though. We're going to replace her with Raquel,
which Raquel is doing good, but not that good.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, Raquel is the foil. They're going to replace her
with Maxine Duprie. Maxine dupri is the new hot baby
face of the women's division.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
God help us, by the way. That was the second match, right,
was the Becky and uh am i am i out
of order on this The four matches that happened on.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
The show, well yeah, let me take a look now.
Next up, we had the gun through promo.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh okay, which which which is just anti climactic.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's just yet way Maxine and Becky.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Which was yeah, but let's let's get this clear about
the Gunster thing too. They keep going to the they
got a good reaction week one, and they have no
comprehension of the idea of diminishing returns, no fucking idea
of what diminishing returns means. It's like, yeah, but what
if he does it a month in a row.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
But they did do something else that we once again
we pointed out that wwe made a mistake with with
the gun Through thing. It matter affect me and you
had that debate about it too. Adam Pierce and a
couple other people have been openly saying the reason that
everybody hates Gunthers the disrespect he's shown John Cena, Corey Graves,
even when on a little tie rating. The man's not

(23:58):
even with the company anymore. And I'm like, that's good.
You guys are finally filling in the gaps as to
why we're supposed to boo gunther That's a start. But
going out there and standing across from AJ Styles and
letting AJ Styles smack the piss out of you and
doing nothing that was a choice. Look, I get AJ

(24:18):
Styles is the veteran right and people absolutely love him,
But Gunther is a fucking conquering champion. He's literally on
the high of retiring the biggest wrestler in WWE over
the last twenty five years. And you're telling me that
he's just going to let little AJ Styles smack the

(24:38):
shit out of him. And then when Gunther goes in
the back to report to teacher, AJ Styles punks him
out again. What the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It is once again a matter of no real vision
and I know that it's a or the vision. Well,
they need to get some new fucking up the prescription
because this is not it. That is not the way
to get this guy over, like you said. Then he
goes to the big Yeah, I'm gonna fight AJ. He's

(25:11):
bagging me. How the fuck doesn't he wrap his arms
around that guy's throat? How? How is that not what happens?
How doesn't he smack him? And Gunther look at him
and be like, that's that's all you got? And AJ
is like, you know what, everybody, He goes to walk
away and he chokes him out and let's unless the

(25:33):
plan is for next week Gunther to handcuff him, beat
him with a belt, and shave his head. What are
we doing?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I I agree there was absolutely no reason for Gunther
to look like a beach possy on this fuck exchange.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Why they make me look like beach pussy? I'm not
the beach pussy. It's so I called all those beach pussy.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, we're trying to get AJ Styles that that
baby face love, and in order to do that, you
have Gunther walk a hole through his ass.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know, No, you're trying to get AJ Styles this
like I'm a I'm a one legged pony on my
last fucking trip around the around the old dirt trail,
and then he punks out this guy twice twice? Huh,
I don't know. Why? What are we Who's who are
we pushing? Who are we trying to get over? Is it?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well? Yeah, let me ask you this. I guess that
maybe really comes down to you. You bring up a
great question. Does wwe think that gun there is a
bigger star than AJ Styles?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Fuck if I know, I don't think they know. I
really don't think they know what is going on at
this point, I'm really confused and like earlier today when
I was messaging you and Dan like, I'm like, I
want to approach this show with a level of calm
that it's not usual for me because I see what

(27:01):
they're doing, and there's things on the show. Like I said,
if you put it elsewhere on some other card, these
are not bad performances. These aren't terrible matches. Even Maxine
who it's like, Yeah, the girl's green as goose shit
and probably shouldn't be featured as much as she is
on television. That's fine as your popcorn match on a

(27:23):
fucking Raw where it's sandwiched between guy like big guys
fighting at a strong main event, that's perfectly fine, But
it's not supposed to be a featured match and a
card with four fucking ugh. It's just so poorly done.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's so bod It feels like with the amounts of
women's wrestling that's been on WWE, specifically Raw too, with
the amount of women's wrestling that's been on the shows,
I wonder if WWE or WWE in Netflix or whoever
it may be, are trying to retrain the audience. So
obviously back in the day you see be men's heavy

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as far as a card goes and then you would
get one or two women's matches, and half the time,
especially during the Vince era Vince era, one or two
of those matches probably involved putting or jello shots or
something like that. So yeah, fast forward now to twenty
twenty six, and it almost feels like half of the show,

(28:23):
and sometimes more than half of the show is dedicated
to the female talent, which in my mind, and I
know this is probably a no no A lot of
people would absolutely disagree with me. In my mind, I
feel like that could be a good direction if the
women were capable of putting on matches as entertaining as
the men. And I'm not saying that the women's matches

(28:46):
aren't entertaining. I'm saying that the talent discrepancy between the
women that they choose to focus on television versus the
men's discrepancy of the men that they don't even feature
on fucking television is a huge, huge gap. Why couldn't
we have seen and I know that they set it
up for next week, but I'm just using this as

(29:07):
an example. We had Gunn there and aj out there.
Why couldn't they have had a match or a tag match?
You had Penta and Rey out there. Whoh double tag
match between the guys, you know, like, why couldn't you
have done something like that as opposed to giving us
Maxine and Becky for what was it three three in
a row, three and one.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
And that match was it was long, all right, They
gave that match a lot of time. That's not what
you're supposed to do. And bet Becky is fine in
this role. Becky is just Vagina Seth with more charisma
at this point. That's how I would like me and you.

(29:48):
We've made that joke a million times at this point
that Becky is that girl that becomes her boyfriend and
for a woman who's now I guess she's married, so okay,
I guess, But she dresses like him, she does the
grading shit like him, not degrading, but grading, and it's like, okay,
But Becky is talented enough that she can help a

(30:11):
girl like Maxine have some good matches, cool, I think, so.
I think she's able to do it, but not for
fifteen minutes on a card where there's four matches and
three of them are women's matches. But that's, like I said,
this is your popcorn match on a show on a
raw that has some heavy hitters in it, and this

(30:32):
is the women's match that you put on the card.
That's what you do. Well, you say, hey, listen, Rio's
Ria's on vacation. You know, EO's got nobody to fight like.
We're not gonna do the We're gonna do a little
bit of character work. We're gonna do some storytelling character work.
And Becky's good for that, and Maxine gets a good

(30:53):
babyface reaction. But they're going to fuck that up by
having to go out and have they already I.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Know they already blew any goodwill that Maxine had, at
least in my opinion, as far as the storyline that
she built up in Natalia. I know in Natalia just
did Stephanie McMahon's podcast too, and I still have to
go back and check that out. But yeah, No, the
Maxine experiment is ultimately already seems seems like a giant failure.
She doesn't even know how to lock in an ankle lock.
There was more than a few times that it looked

(31:20):
like she was trying not to hurt Becky or anyone.
I don't understand it, but.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
No ron Breaker gets to be in our main event.
I guess we get to have Maxine in our popcorn match? Yes?
Did I say that out loud?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Ooh, I didn't do well last night either.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, I can't believe that once again, like I got it.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
But CM Punk was was off though too. CM Punk
was stumbling through his words. It's the second week in
the row that he sounded like a drunk man out
there cutting a promo. I don't I have no idea
what's going on with pok oh.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
God, Like I said, we're jumping around, but also like
that that punk promo, I was fucking die. I was
laughing my ass off. I was like, yas queen, give
us nothing, like that's what the fucking fucking He's like, Yo,

(32:17):
when I walk in there, go to sleep, and you're
gonna go to sleep a matter of it, is you
Kathy Kelly or whatever fuck your name is or bron Breaker.
I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Why is he saying nothing for forty five seconds? Like
cause you've got yourself that that Hayman group is not good.
It's not good, it's not interesting. Nobody in that group
is ready to be a fucking main eventor period. I
don't want to hear it from people who are right
under up stairs. We are None of them are ready.

(32:52):
They're not supposed to be in that position. I can
hate Seth Rawlins with every fucking fiber of my being,
but at least he suth Ronald's has been presented as
a fucking main eventor on this show for ten years.
So even if I don't like it, he's out there
and he's with a group of people, and we go, oh,
that's the top guy. Paul Hayman is supposed to carry

(33:12):
all these dudes, all of them, all of them. That's
why a month ago or two months ago, when we're
sitting there saying, I guess you could put Drew in there,
Drew's at least something.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Drew was a bright spot. Drew was a hopeful. I
was really really on board with the idea of Paul
Hayman doing more with Drew McIntyre. With the vision. I
thought that Drew McIntyre being the heater now that Seth
was gone, would have made so much fucking sense. But
instead they decided to lean into Austin theory.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I'm just like, sure, why, oh, and then that promo,
but this is it, like this was promos and four
fucking discombobulated, just disjointed matches where Logan Paul and Austin serious,
which Logan Polsy sounded so off, where he's just like, Yeah,

(34:05):
I'm a cool guy. I like being cool. Do you
guys like being cool? If I had to live in
Brooklyn that would suck too. And I'm like, oh my,
he's trying to be a nineteen eighties heel, is what
it is.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I always feel like Logan Paul is trying to be
the twenty twenty sixth version of Rick Rude, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Man, oh my god, You're not even there right.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like that's not happening. But let me finish this off.
The Becky Lynch now retains or She won the Internet
Continental title after Maxine put her in an ankle lock,
to which she kind of reversed into a pin. Maxine
just didn't have the foresight to let go of the
ankle lock and lost the fucking belt. It's just.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So Maxine could go on her honeymoon too, which is
just like anybody that has the Internet knows this is happening.
What are we doing? What is this? I mean, we're
acting is though, and Ro's acting as though, and well
they're on Smuckdown. Who gives a shit? You have you
have Randy Orton, you have Cody Rhodes, you have Drew McIntyre,

(35:14):
you have motherfucking Shamus. Even get some goddamn talent on
this show. What are you fucking doing? You well, good thing.
We got to have the title switch with Becky and
uh fucking Maxine so she could go on her honeymoon.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I think they're trying to load up a reason to
watch SmackDown. They want people to stay at home on Friday.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
No one's gonna do it, though, Man, no one's doing that.
And by the way, like this is if Dom's out,
I'm sorry. Oki was like where the fuck is Domb?
And it's like, yeah, Dom's out again too, dude. Who
else got injured? Mission got injured? BFAB got injured? Yeah,
by Jade Cargle, which she's another one that was ready

(35:57):
for television.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Somebody else got injured too. Somebody else got injured the
other day too. Like, man, they are just piling them
the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, well, by the way, it's like okay, yeah, all right,
Jamus is injured. Wasn't aware of that, but sure, I dude,
even if Dominic was backstage in an arm brace being
fed chicken nuggets by lives being like, ah, I can't
so much pain. At least that's a thing.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
They need to give him a break though he can't
carry the whole fucking show. He can't. We can't just
make Gunther and Dominic the only bright spots on this
fucking raw because that's what it feels like. Look and
I love them punk. I'll always be a cmpunk guy,
but he is not doing well lately, and I'm sure
it has a lot to do with what he's being fed.

(36:51):
And as much as I like the vision and I
really do hope that bron Breaker is the future, even
though he says he's the now, I hope in the
future bron Breaker can be the monster Heel that all
of us want him to be, or even the monster
baby Face. Either way, I'd like him to retain and
kind of grow some of that Steiner genetics in his

(37:11):
body and become the man that we know he can be.
Bronson read another one like there's a lot of hopefuls
that I have, but as far as my day to day,
my operations watching RAW, I look forward to seeing Dominic.
I look forward to seeing Ria Ripley and EO and Osca.
I look forward to seeing Gunther and maybe the occasional

(37:34):
art truth here and there, but there's not much else.
There's not much else. I'm looking forward to it and
not taking away and saying that these people aren't talented,
but they're not bringing anything creatively to the screen. And
I know we talked about this yesterday about all the
random people that are in charge of creative before Triple
H even gets a hold of the script. But it
just seems like these are a bunch of people that

(37:56):
are running around hamster wheels trying to figure it out.
And it's like you're trying to figure this out on
a million dollar show, you your shoe string.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Charging ship tons of money for go to like that.
That to me is like I'm thinking to myself, imagine
you're a fan, and you're a New York City wrestling fan,
all right, which you've seen a lot of good ship
and I know the whole Well, you're a smart wrestling fan. Whatever,
you can use whatever the fuck you want to call it, right,
But I would sit there and go I didn't know

(38:28):
I spent two hundred dollars to come to a woman's
indie wrestling show. I'm sorry, Like, I still not running
down all of the girls individually, not running them down
as people. But where are my stars? Where are my
fucking like I paid to see WWE? Where is w
W punk punk supposed to carry this whole fucking show

(38:51):
as the big w W E star.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's drinking too. Yeah, well, let's think about it. Asked
a really big star that WWE tried to make. I'll
tell you who jay Usso I was. I knew, yeah, yeah, yeah,
how did he do? On Monday?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
They stand at the buggy. You don't playing my song?
Playing my song?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Oh my god, can you play another song?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's just what the oh gun they had gun to
tap out to this fuck yea to this fucking goofy goober,
this is who he had Like for what.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
They tried, they did everything they could for fuck dude.
They brought in musicians for jay Uso rap stars like
they they did everything they could to make ja Uso
a household name, and they came close. And then people
just watched him and went, yeah, he's not it.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, this is not good. This guy is not good, which,
by the way, they're gonna do the same thing with Steak.
I'm telling you that gott to fucking play this right, yeah,
because that kid is not ready. And I hate to
be a fucking flip flop on the guy because I
tried to be positive when he first showed up on

(40:13):
the main roster. If you remember correctly where when he
was in NXT, I had a lot of people who
water sealed their buttholes when I said, yeah, I'll be
all right in like three to five years, three to
five years for bron Breaker. In no way he's going
to be the next all right, but it'll be okay
in three to five years.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
It's not a characterization of how he did from NXT
to WWE or to the main roster. It's more along
the lines of a lot of bad creative decisions. I
think story wise, character wise, he is thin. He is
eggshell thin. They have not done a good job of
building him up. I don't know why, for the life

(40:55):
of me, they don't lean more into the Steiner stuff. Look,
WWE loves putting out reduction packages, and shit, why are
they not building up his backstory? Why are they not
making him the force that they want us to believe
he is. You have clearly interns talented enough to put
together like TikTok videos and shit, why can't you have

(41:16):
somebody put together videos and build up these people the
right way as opposed to these weird recap videos of
last week. Oh it's seeing punk to a music video. Yeah,
It's like, no, we don't need to seeing punk built up.
We need people to build up these guys that are
supposed to be laying the foundation of the future. There

(41:38):
should be hype videos, not this random recap stuff every week.
And I know that WWE loves recapping shit, they'll tell
you what happened in the first match four times by
the end of the show. But it's just it. It
feels like it's a misappropriation of creativity and people like
bron Breaker, who are absolutely talented, are suffering. And I

(41:58):
think that obviously there's there's probably a trickle down effect, right.
I assume he's been shaken up by the internet before.
Was was it last week's promo or the week before
that where he was talking about the trolls on the
internet during during fucking Raw, It's like, what are you doing?
Shut up, don't talk about that ship?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
You know, this this guy desperately, like you said, give
him the dad's ship, give him the uncle's ship, because
he's got nothing.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And did But did they learn Did he learn nothing
from Michael Mgilla Cuddy?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, I learned nothing that this is it? But like
it's funny because that's where my mind was headed to
where I'm going. So when you've got absolutely nothing for
somebody and they have some sort of lineage, give give it,
give him that, give it to him who cares, who can? Well,
I want to be my own man and come up

(42:58):
with my own ship. Oh, because you don't have it.
You don't have ideas. If you came in and you
had ideas, then fantastic. But you don't. You don't have ideas.
Like we didn't need bray Wyatt to come in as
irs because he had ideas. Right do they all work
out wonderfully? That's up to your interpretation. But he had ideas.

(43:20):
You don't have any. You have a single it spear.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
God, they would kill bray Wyatt right now.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh jeezus, please but no, but miss even this right
like this is going to be one of the few
times you hear me praise someone like Goldberg, and it's
not so much Goldberg as it is the people that
were booking Goldberg. He gave Goldberg short matches because Goldberg
couldn't fucking hold up his weight and have twenty five

(43:48):
minute long matches. This kid can't either give them ten
minutes tops. Let him go out there, do power slams,
run the rope real fast, fucking break down the straps
on the single, it hit the big fucking dog whatever,
bullshit fucking running power slam all this. Have him do that.

(44:11):
He doesn't need to have twenty five minute long matches
where you can see he's got happy feet and he's
confused or he's lost, and you can just fucking tell.
By the way last night, I once again jumping around,
but I can't help myself. Last night, when Hayman got hit,
how much would you bet that that spot was not
supposed to happen, That Punk wasn't supposed to hit Hayman,

(44:33):
that that was supposed to be Either Bron runs in
hits Punk knocks Hayman off the apron, or Punk winds
up to hit him, Bron grabs and turns him around
and fucking hits him with something. I just Bron just
missed his time I just.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Thought that Paul Hayman wanted a vacation like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Phil, I want to go home.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, I have a shoulder injury. Uh, Paul, I need
to go.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Home, Phil, Phil, it's too cold out. Yeah, I need
to go home. Can you just punch me off the apron?
Thank you? No? But like, I'm watching this and I'm
going that's a fuck up. That's a fuck up, that's
a fuck up, that's off time, this is a mess.

(45:20):
Why are you exposing this kid like this? And I
get it, there's probably a lot of people and this
is not me putting a pinky up where there's a
lot of people probably watching it that aren't picking these
things up. And I have to remind myself of that.
But there's also this point where if you're supposed to
be the main event guy and you're supposed to be
ready to fucking get the belt tomorrow, it shouldn't be

(45:42):
this glaringly fucking sloppy and obvious. You just can't let
that be there. The days of gender mahal are over.
We can't let that happen. We can't let a Jack
Swagger be the fucking champion anymore. You need to actually
know what the fuck you're doing, especially when you have

(46:04):
half a dozen guys who are fifteen minutes away from
retirement that you could put the belt on. Well, this
kid figures it out. I I'm glad that it ended
the way that it did. I'm glad that he lost
the match, but did it really need to take a
half an hour and the.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Crowd finish too? I swear to got it looked like, yeah,
Punk missed everything and bron was just out of place.
It was just really sloppy, especially twelfth they finish.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna completely wash my hands
and be like, oh, well Punk has no But I
also see how he gets to this place where they're like,
all right, here's this greenest goose shit guy. You just
had a two and a half hour long show. The
crowd's dead as shit. You're following three women's wrestling matches
that most of them got at best waning to not

(46:55):
giving a fuck reactions, and uh, you know we can't
find out there Champ right right. I'm not saying he
should go out there with like booboo face and be
a bit about it, but I could see why the
spark starts to die in you twenty minutes into a
half an hour long match in front of a dead
crowd with a sandbagging wrestler, Like, I get it, I

(47:16):
get it. I can see why he's sitting there going fuck,
can I just bring this the fuck home? God? Still?
Oh wait, what are we gonna do? Oh? We gotta
do it again? All right, I guess we're doing it again.
Oh we're still doing this. And by the way, the
kid almost killed himself again. You saw that right.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Well the outside when he was stumbling up to the
top rope to to jump to the announcer's table.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Well no, well not even just that, And that was.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Kind of scary too. I don't like him being on
the top stop that. He doesn't need to.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Do that, there's no need for that, and him doing it, dude,
he went up to do the Frankensteiner thing. And oh
he killed himself on his neck again again, Like what
we're going to whether you like him or you don't
like him, or paint his fucking guts, which I don't.
I'm just pointing this out. You're gonna you're gonna hurt

(48:07):
the kid before.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
He's Maybe maybe he was just you know what, maybe
he was just saying fuck you to William Regal. Maybe
that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, right, that's what he's like. I've had I've had
it with these guys telling me how to have my matches.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Stop telling me not to get hurt. I'll get hurt
when I want to get hurt.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, we Kyle Fletcher like a motherfucker. That's what he said.
Shout out to kf my homebook, right, shout out to
my Kevin Proposao bitch.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
But Dirty Bird was bringing up how much we need
Bird Girl on the show. And of course we did
have Live Live Morgan and Lyra Valkyria to a match
of crickets. Nobody cared. Look, I've come to the conclusion
that Live Morgan excels when she has someone to excel

(48:58):
with the fact that Live Morgan was completely nothing in
this match with Lyra says more about Lyra than it
does Live Morgan.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
And it says about the placement and the booking and
the structure of this show Live and the right environment
with the way that the card is set up is over.
She is a person on the show that the people
like to see. Now, and I'll just call it what
it is if I have Lived Morgan in a return

(49:30):
match after she's been off television for seven months. She's
gonna be the only pair of cheeks that the fucking
audience sees on that show. That's it. She is coming out.
I don't care if she wrestles a ham sandwich, that
she's the only pair of fucking cheeks that you're seeing
on that show. The same exact way that if I
had Batista off television for seven months that he was injured,

(49:52):
I'm not putting every beefcake on the roster in the
undercard and going, hey, look at all these Jack guys
and then sending out another Jack guy. Why she is
an over women's wrestler in that company. She could be
a featured talent for them. I'm not saying she's even
at the level of Rhea, but she's sniffing. She's right
underneath it. That should be once again, similarly to the

(50:15):
Becky popcorn match that you want to call it, it will
you sandwich her between a bunch of matches, tag matches
with dudes and whatever, and then outcomes live and she's
the only girl that you see on the show aside
from her opponent, and everybody's happy to see her again
because they haven't gotten her. But when you have a

(50:36):
thirty minute long i'll be a good women's tag match
with a bunch of women that are over, then you
send out Becky to do a fuck finish with a
green girl wrestler, and then you send out Live with
Bird Girl. You're not setting her up for success. No,
you're setting her up to fucking fail. That is on WWE.
I'm not saying that you know Live. I don't know

(50:58):
what Lift could have done, honestly to made that work mission.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
They should have switched out with Bailey. Honestly, it should
have been Lived versus Bailey in that return match. That
would have been more of a high profile match, and
at least we know that Bailey would have been able
to cover any kind of mistakes that were happening in
the ring and garnered a lot more attention because of
her darker version of her character that's going on right now.
I think there's more interest there with Bailey. Well, clearly

(51:23):
there's more interest for Bailey than there is Bird Girl,
so Jesus, yeah, I don't know. I think that they
kind of threw Live to the wolves on this one.
They gave her a nothing burger of a match, because again,
WWE wants us to believe that Lyra Valkyria is the
STA of the future. And if it wasn't for the
fact that they're really pushing Maxine to pre down everyone's throats,

(51:45):
even though, as you said earlier, she's going on her honeymoon,
I think that she would have blown past by far
Lyra Valkyria in the dust.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, I mean live if they were gonna, if they
were going to insist on this card being what the
fuck it should have been the lie of opening the show.
She's returning after.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Month, Yeah, having her and yeah, then having a match
right there. For sure, she's a New York, New Jersey girl,
you know what I mean, or even crazy enough to
have her in the main event and put bron in
fucking punk at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Oh, I mean that that would be pushing it for
New York. That would be pushing it for New York.
But then again, maybe it's not miss because apparently, like
I said, we're watching a fucking Shimmer show.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Maybe she could have come out in the thong Joe.
Maybe that would have made New York happy.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
You know which, By the way, if it did it,
then we'd really know that we.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Live more than is gonna come out naked and have
a match with Lyra Valkyria. Can you guys stay till
the main event, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I got to catch the fucking blue line. Let me
catch the train home. My favorite halal place closes at ten.
I gotta get out of here. I'll look the naked
live on the edge.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
They're killing Live Morgan Live. Morgan has absolutely worked her
ass off, and that's a funny thing to say, but
she's worked her ass off to get people reinvested in
her character after many years of failed versions of her character,
the Ronda Rousey stuff days, you know, but the Dominic stuff,

(53:24):
and obviously coming back after what was it six months
they said, five months? Six months? Seven seven months? Yeah,
seven months being out like, yeah, I'm sorry, you're your
focus creatively should be on refreshing who Live Morgan is right,
And I know that she's been around for a couple
of weeks. We've talked about it, but she's been doing
the raw Rath speech shit, which is not really her thing.

(53:48):
Her doing that for Dominic was because there was an
underlying factor of her controlling Dominic, but now she's doing
it for the whole Judgment Day. She's kind of the
pseudo leader. I don't know. I don't know what's going
on with her. It almost feels like the Judgment Day
in itself is kind of petering out and falling apart,

(54:10):
and it's like, Wow, this is a horrible thing to
do because they have nothing else going on other than
each other. If Finn Balor wasn't with Judgment Day, what
would he be doing?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh my god, Legos, If.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Forehead wasn't with Judgment Day, what would he be doing?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
And that's oh, and I think he's I think that
kid's got a lot of fucking lot of good aspects
to him, a lot of potential, but he'd be doing absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Roxy would get lost in the shuffle. Raquel might stand
on her own only now because of the way that
they pulled her aside. But I mean, you're talking about
at least four people out of a group of six
that'd be completely lost. The only ones that people had
faith in would have been Living Dominic, and they kind
of revolve around each other because of the storyline. I
just it feels creatively like WWE is falling apart a

(54:57):
little bit. I don't know if they need to come
back to it. Obviously, have their show in Berlin for SmackDown,
and they're starting to do the international well, they're continuing
to do the international tours. Royal Rumble again is right
around the corner. I mean, is that what we're hoping for?
Are we hoping for Royal Rumble to make the storylines
for Russell?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I have no faith in the Rumble again. I mean,
it's it's really a fucking shame because two years ago
we were all sitting here going all right, seems like
they're figuring it out now. I'm like, I have no
fucking faith in these people. Zero. I have no fucking
faith in them figuring this out, because even like I

(55:37):
like go into the live thing, I guess to some
extent going back to that, I mean I'd have had
it even Ben. Why if you're not going to have
lived with Dom which that's that's the act, that's the act.
Let's call it what it is, like, that's how it works.
How do you not have Live Morgan even record a

(55:57):
little interview? Ever? Say and say Live Morgan is back
home nursing her man to health, giving him shoulder rubs, right, yeah,
and then when he comes back, she's alongside him and
they're holding hands and he's still kind of selling the
shoulder and then you have the match instead of whatever
the fuck this was with Bird.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Girls, just no connection either, right, Like there's still supposed
whatever happened to the fact that Roxy was was schmoozing
up to Dominic too, Like we saw that they were
painting that. We've made jokes about how Roxy was bringing
him chicken nugs while Live was out. Like they've broken
so many storylines that could have been successful or at

(56:40):
least more interesting for the characters for absolutely no reason.
There should there should be animosity between Live Morgan and
Roxy never explained, just kind of accepted.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, it just happens, and then just it just happens,
and then it goes away, right you know I I
it's just so fucking lazy and poorly written with no direction.
It's not going anywhere. Yeah, it's a polyN I fucking laughed.
Fucking damn Judgment Day is a polycule. Judgment Day swings always. Yeah,

(57:17):
it's like Judgment Day the first pen faction at all
of pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah. No, and then they had that weird look on
a side note, and I guess more segue. They had
that the Paul Haymon thing talking about the new season
of Unreal, and then they show like the promo of
Unreal where Seth talks about you know, somebody else was
talking about too, about how proud they were faking Seth's injury.

(57:44):
It's like people fucking hated that.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah they were. They were, and not in like a ooh,
good he sort of way. They were like in a
fuck you sort of way. Yeah, to the point where
then when you really got hurt, I don't I keep
thinking to myself of they're gonna bring him back as
an avenging babyface and she'll be like yeah, big baby
bes and it's gonna be like, how does nobody even

(58:09):
then just look at him and go, oh, so that
was the real injury, Seth. Oh, that's the real one.
Oh so you got hurt after faking one like a
piece of shit, and that we don't see that as
and then.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
The angle with bron Breaker was the real injury.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, they wink, yeah, like we're not supposed to. I
don't know what they're like. I'm saying this over and
over again because it's just not a well written show.
It's very hard to watch, but it's funny because you're
not even wrong. It is not a well written show,
but they're so proud of themselves for it. They're so

(58:50):
of making a cus know, it's like what yeah, And
there's like even going back to the Strangers Things ship
where you're sitting there and you're going, oh, was this
like another ploy that like a marketing thing that they
had in their minds where they're like, yeah, Stranger Things raw.
And then even if you're going, oh, maybe we'll get

(59:13):
some eyes on it. This is what you want people
to see. This, This was your selling point. Like who
do you think is tuning into this that you're going, well,
what if some new people tuning.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Because Strangers fans? Yes? Oh mind? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Is this? But I guess this? Could this go back
to another I hate to think maybe they know something.
I don't know where in their minds are like yeah,
maybe they want to watch the big hot tattoos Goths girl,
and maybe they'll think that, uh, you know, Becky is cool.
I don't know what the fuck is the thought that

(59:51):
they're having here. I would think to myself, all right,
if there's no thought, there's no thought clearly where it's okay,
going back, I guess to Dom again because we have
to keep putting shit on his shoulders. But in my mind,
I'm going, hey, if I got a show and I'm
advertising it as a Stranger Things thing, first of all,
not having a single Stranger Things person on there, that's

(01:00:12):
already a slap in the face of the people tuning
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, but there was not even any angles. There was
nothing related to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
The fake episode names, which is also once again like
what the what? What is that? A cute guard? A
cute guard in a van.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It was very difficult. Yes, yes, yeah, just beyond chapter
three Becky versus right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, it's it's such a fucking slap in the face.
But also then I would be saying to myself, all right, well,
at least the first hour and a half of my show,
I wanted to be youthful, attractive, a mix of characters,
different kinds of people that might appeal to a younger audience,
because I'm trying to lure them in with the Stranger

(01:00:58):
Things shit, right, like why I and instead it's all right,
I have no idea where they're going, I have no
idea what they're sinking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Honestly missed opportunity for Oscar and Kyrie because they could
have easily dressed up to reflect that stranger thing stuff.
And a lot of the girls like doing the fucking
costplay stuff too. It's just yeah, they didn't. They didn't
have makeup or wardrobe reflecting stranger things stuff like they
could have gone back to the eighties D and D
shit even there was just so many missed opportunities. And

(01:01:30):
the funniest thing is the biggest nerds on the show
were regulated to I think they were regulated to a
commercial break, right, weren't wasn't the New Day on a
commercial break?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Like? I think? Oh yeah, yeah, I think right, But
do you know what's funny to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Me now that that oh New Day was not there? Okay,
I'm I'm sorry, my apologies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yeah, they couldn't get those big guys. They couldn't get
those shows.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I mean, why would you get you know, two guys,
maybe maybe three. I don't know about walls personal habits,
but two guys that are very familiar with gaming and
synonymous with like entertainment like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
You just I don't know, seems like what are they
what are they under contract or something? No, but there's
see if I can get this right, Okay, Like you said,
the girls, they love to they want to do the cosplay,
they want to dress up, they want to do the
ship like that. Rhea Ripley comes out on a paint
per view dressed like the smut fucking horror porn clown.

(01:02:32):
That's we can do that, but we can't figure out
how to make a stranger things tie in, even with
their gear. When all these girls and some and a
lot of the guys too, let's be real, are all
obsessed with Look, I'm fucking I'm this video game fucking character.

(01:02:52):
Look I'm you know, anime mcfucky McGee guy. Like they
all can do that until it's called up for them to.
It's just so fucking uninspired.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
It just felt contractually obligated, Joe. That's what this raw was.
It was contractually obligated.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
So but don't worry though too. And I saw Robbie
in there saying, hey, look that you know, they fucked
the British fans over for years by you know, giving
us this stupid shit. But here's the good news, guys,
And here's the good news to the international fans. This
is the show that people get in Brooklyn, New York.
But in fucking Germany they get gun through versus AJ styles.

(01:03:32):
Nanny yay, that's crazy, Yeah right, Like how lucky you
are as a New York City wrestling fan and a
WWEWWFWWWF and that's what they'll give you. But in Germany
they'll give you gun through verse AJ styles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I think they're just done with us. I think America
is just they're just gonna save their best for everywhere,
but here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
They're pulling of mister bast Is that what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Saudi Arabia needs a new WWE headquarters. I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I liked that. They were like, listen, we're doing raw
in America for the next three weeks. Just write anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I mean, would you put a surprised if they built
if Saudi Arabia built a WWE headquarters in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Oh no, of course not. I wouldn't be shocked at all.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Weren't they already
talking about doing a performance center over there to begin with?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, yeah, Which if they were to do that, and
they were to say, hey, listen, we're going to bring
all the different talent in from this part of the world,
and blah blah blah. I don't whatever, they're already in
bed with them. I don't even see that to be
its own issue, But I do find it funny and
talk about opening a fucking can of worms to where

(01:04:54):
the Saudis who, Oh my god, what was the kid's
name from the models that they had that was Saudi Arabian?
Got Mansor? Was that it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Mansor? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah? Where man? They had Mansur and they had the
one guy right who Mansur wasn't bad. I'm not saying
he's bad, but like, imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
If general is no, not general disease, the general Yeah,
I forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
No, no general disease was I think he was an
Indian dude, right, Yeah? That was their failed Indian guy, right,
fucking five Indian dudes that all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Fail their giant baby hewey looking dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I kind of liked him for a minute. I'm like, oh,
that's general. These guy could do something and he did nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
So isn't that you know what I wonder? I need
somebody that is smarter than me to come up with
a what do you call the era of WWE where
they hired five Indian guys and they all failed. What
do they call that, there's shanky shaky, Yeah, shanky, that's right.

(01:05:57):
They had all and all of them they were like, yeah, no,
we got nothing. We got nothing with all of these guys.
But no, I guess going back to if they had
a Saudi Arabia fucking performance center, you know that they
wouldn't let those guys look bad on television, a single
one of them. Oh no, if they were trained, if

(01:06:18):
they were Saudi Arabian guys trained in Saudi Arabia and
they controlled the checkbook, they'd be wiping their ass. With
the American guys, they'd be like, yeah, no, this guy's
never why would he lose a match. He's a Saudi son,
he was trained into the greatest before he was trained
in the greatest wrestling school on the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
The Prince.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yes, of course, they would immediately be like, oh, so
this is this is our new Cody Rhads. I guess,
huh God, the Saudi Arabian Sun, Yeah, that's what it
would be versus the American Nightmare. I wonder who wins

(01:07:00):
now this show is it's rough.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I mean that pretty much wraps it up after that
we have the Brown Breaker and see them punk debacle
and that was your Monday Night Raw. That was the
the ups and the downs or the downs, so many
downs of it. And yeah we go in next week
see AJ and Gunther go at it and whatever other
shenanigans they have planned for us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Joe, Now, what time does RAW happen next week? Like
in the afternoons?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Oh, if only, It'll probably be played at our time,
normal time, but it's uh, it'll probably be recorded on
Netflix earlier. Right then, how they do it? They have
it on Netflix at two, but then they have like
a live viewing with I don't know, can we talk
about the commercials for a second, because I know we

(01:07:48):
kind of bypassed that, but I kind of saw that
being reiterated everywhere that Raw is getting crazy crazy with
commercial breaks. And I just feel a little little vindicated
here that the idea of entertainment being saturated with fucking

(01:08:08):
commercials isn't just a podcast thing. It's everywhere. It's everywhere.
Everything you watch, everything you listen to is going to
get so many more commercials in twenty twenty six. If
you thought having three commercials every ten minutes was bad,
wha twenty twenty six is like, hold my fucking beer.

(01:08:31):
It is going to be as bad as FM radio, Joe.
I'm telling you it's going to be. Hey, you guys,
get fifteen minutes a show and ten minutes of commercials.
Enjoy yourselves because that's what's going to be, and that's
what you're looking forward to. And Netflix is all in
on fucking commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
So and that's like, now at this point last night,
you're not wrong where it'd be like eight ads eight eight,
like they put up that they'd let you know, Hey,
you're gonna watch eight ads.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yep, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Well here's the funny thing too, is I I VPN right,
so I'll watch Raw through a VPN, and I will
say that the nice thing is is they continue this
show without the ads, so before like I know you
remember before, it's like stay tuned, we'll be right back.
Like you would get that when you're watching the VPN,

(01:09:28):
because they don't have any commercials for whatever country you're
vpning from. But now in the post Raw, when you're
watching on Netflix, like let's say hours later or a
day later, they'll just show you the show just NonStop.
This is what would have happened if you didn't have
eighteen commercials for this break and it's kind of nice.
So it's almost as if it's, uh, it's better for

(01:09:51):
you to watch this on your computer than it is
your television. And it's absolutely much better if you watch
it through a VPN, because other than that, you're going
to be stuck there watching shit tons of commercials and
just becoming irritated because it's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
But watch it the next day, and that's what you're
going to have to do to avoid this. Or Netflix
they just tune in forty five minutes after it started.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Rich, Oh, that's a good How much is how much
is Netflix without ads? Here's the kicker. Even if you
get Netflix without ads, wwe still has baked in ads.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Sorry, you're still yeah, you're still getting it. And by
the way, it's like, I'm not one of those people
where it's like no, I want none, No, I can't
handle any, but not fucking twenty of them, and I
think maybe one of the most.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yeah, only throw this on there one more. I'm sorry
on more thing? Ohky saying that enjoy them now. Many countries,
including the US, are considering banning VPNs. Netflix has banned
certain countries. So before I was using the Ukraine. I
don't know why. I just chose Ukraine because I'm like,
I can watch WWE through the Ukraine, and it was
working for a while. And now Netflix recognizes that I'm

(01:11:12):
using a VPN and they just don't allow me to
access WWE. I just can't access it. It shows it
up on the page, but I just can't access it.
Certain countries that I use on my VPN, Netflix recognizes.
They're like, now you're not a real citizen. You are
using a VPN, sir, go fuck yourself. So Netflix is

(01:11:33):
on top of the technology too, but I think there's
certain countries that what they do is and I don't
know if you've used it. So during the commercial breaks
in other countries, Joe, you can't fast forward, you can't
fast forward, you can't pause it, you can't do anything.
You're forced to sit there and watch the wrestling. But
it's still a lot better than watching the commercials, you

(01:11:55):
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Well, well, we'll have to see. The good news is
if Roz at one or two o'clock in the afternoon
next week, is that we can fast forward through those
ads when it's time for us to watch for sure.
That's a good thing. All right, good news, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Let's get ready to wrap it up. Much love. We'll
see everybody here on Thursday. Thank you very much for
tuning in downloading the show live on the free feed
as well as on the Patreon Patreon dot com forward
slash Wrestling Soup. We will see you guys all on Thursday,
hopefully with some better news. Good luck to aw though
they scored their lowest ratings in the history of the
company on New Year's Eve or whatever, and go for

(01:12:34):
how how.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Dare you know this? This is the only way, by
the way, www, being this piss poor is the best
fucking shot that they have at people still talking about them.
So that's the good news for them. I guess is
that if WWE keeps putting out this fucking puddle of poo,
then at least by comparison, they could almost be palladable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I'm just surprised nobody's talking about Mercedes Mona anymore. It
really hurts me, Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I couldn't have seen that coming. Wink wink. All right,
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