"Exposed: 33rd Degree Mason Reveals Freemasonry’s Darkest Secrets 🕯️🧿"

⛓️ Sworn to secrecy. Bound by blood. Until now.
In this jaw-dropping episode, a former 33rd Degree Freemason breaks the silence — spilling centuries of rituals, deception, and elite manipulation hidden behind the Masonic veil. From hidden symbols carved into your cities… to dark oaths spoken behind sealed temple doors… this is the truth they never wanted out. 🕯️ Who really runs the lodges?
🧿 Are Freemasons linked to global control?
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This is Operation Disclosure — where the light hits darkness first.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was like the youngest guy on the lodge by
twenty years. And this guy comes forward and he says,
we're going to leave you through this oath. But it's
this long, involved and ultimately blood curdling oath. But none
of these men understand is that deep down inside there's
this very dark evil energy. I would go up to
these guys that have been in the Scottish Rite forever

(00:22):
and I say, okay, I'm now a sublime prince of
the Royal Secret.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
So what's the Royal secret?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And again, this is something that probably only one of
a thousand Masons in America understands. Is it the Royal Secret?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello, and welcome back to the Almost False podcast. Right
into regular people with incredible stories. Today's guest is someone
who has explored the darkest levels the spirituality, one of
them being Freemasonry. He became a thirty third degree Mason,
was part of high level secret societies, and he is
not afraid to share what he's not supposed to talk about.
So I took this opportunity to ask him as much
as I could in the limited time that we had.

(01:00):
No matter how much you know or don't know about Freemasonry,
Economost guarantee you that you'll learn a lot from this interview,
as everything that is shared here is in some way
related to it. Get ready to have your mind blown
by mister billis Nevlin as he shares a dark journey
that him and his wife took and the unsettling things
that the uncovered along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
When I got to college, and again I wanted to
be a priest. I want This was a minor seminary college,
Wais College at the time. It was a minor seminary.
It isn't anymore. I had a priest in my theology
class who had a doctorate in theology, and he was
teaching a course in Christology, because again I was wanting

(01:38):
to be a priest. And he took me aside and
he said, if you want to be a priest in
the Catholic Church, it's taught, you know U Sasdotus asked
Altus Christus, the priest is another Christ. So if you
want to be like Christ? And he says to me,
do you want to be like Christ? And I says, well,

(01:59):
of course, doesn't every Christian want to be like Christ.
He said, well, if you want to be like Christ,
you need to do what Christ did. And again that
made sense, and again he you know, nowadays we've kind
of become suspicious about priests, but this was like nineteen
sixty eight, and a priest was like God, I mean,
whatever the priest said, that was it, you know. And

(02:22):
he said, well, if you want to be like Christ,
you need to do what he did. And he went
to the East and studying with the gurus in India,
he went and studied with the llamas in Tibet. He
went to Egypt and studied with the magicians there. That's
how he was able to do to raise the dead,
to walk on water, to do all these miracles. So

(02:44):
he says, what you need to do is you need
to start studying the occult. And this is a priest
telling me this, and so I thought, okay, now, mind
you you know, this is obviously decades before there was
an internet. I mean, there was a little bookstore town
and I went there and I found a few scattering

(03:05):
books unlike the Occult. And I found this book that
was called Diary of a Witch by Sybil Leek. And
she was one of the very first witches to tell
to speak, come out of the broom, closet. She was
a British woman and she was a medium. And anyhow

(03:26):
I read the book and she was asserting in the
book that witches were not evil, that this was an
ancient pagan mystery religion, among others things. She claimed that
Jesus was a witch and his twelve apostles were his
coven along with their wives.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
So I kind of bought into that, and I wrote
to I found out about this guy Alexanders, who was
the supposed king of the witches over in London. I
sent him a letter, This is around nineteen sixty eight
sixty nine, and his wife sent me back. I think, okay,
here's a coven in Rockford, Illinois, which is about ninety

(04:06):
minutes from Dubuke. I went there and I got initiated
as a witch, and then later on I hooked up
with an Alexandrian coven in Boston and I was made
a witch.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
High priest.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Started covens in first of all on Debut, where I was,
and then moved to Milwaukee because there was a fellow
there who had an occult bookstore, you know, because Milwaukee
is a huge city, and he said, I've got all
these people that want to become witches.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Can you come and teach them?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well, we're talking about like you being in a coven
and do you doing witchcraft? I just want to make
sure that we don't skip over that part, like what
kind of witchcraft are we talking about, because you know
there's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Was it was okay witchcraft originally, you know, the kind
of publicly available witchcraft was originally started by Gerald Gardner
and he came out at witchcraft became legal in England.
It was a crime until nineteen fifty one it was
made legal and he claimed all this is disputed, but

(05:13):
he claimed that he came in contact with the ancient
covenant witches in the New Forest region of England. They
initiated him and then made him a high priest, and
he went off and initiated other people. Then there's this
other bunch, this Alexanderstell. He also claims to have been
initiated by an ancient line of witches by his grandmother.

(05:35):
So those were the two main fountainheads of witchcraft in
the sixties. Both were from England, but both had spread
to America and it was white witchcraft. Both groups, their
rituals were virtually identical. But the Alexandrian group that I
was in was more into ceremonial magic, which is like

(05:59):
kind of if you know, and like Protestantism, they have
the distinction between high Church and low Church. Well, Alexandrian
is more high Church witchcraft. But we didn't believe in
the devil. We didn't think we were worshiping the devil.
We thought we were worshiping a goddess, a moon goddess,

(06:19):
and a foreign god. So it was like dietheism, if
you will, to two deities. And we didn't believe in demons.
We just believed that it was all this nature airy fairy,
you know, gathering herbs in the forest and dancing in
the nude and you know, it all sounds very innocent,

(06:42):
except there's, especially in the Alexandian right, there's also.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Some sex magic that's involved.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So does that kind of answer your question.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yes, yes, thank you for clarifying. I just wanted to
make sure that we got that coverage. Actually, let's go
back to the ocult bookstore that you were talking about
and let's pick up the story from there.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, so anyway, I mean, so we hooked up with
this spella in the basement of the store we had
hold these classes. They were packed because there were all
these people. And again this was kind of this is
nineteen seventy two, and you know, there was all these
people are kind of like quasi hippies, and they wanted
to get into the occult magic and blah blah blah.

(07:21):
The other thing that happened at the same time is
that we encountered this spell called Eli, who was a
grand Master Druid of North America. And druids are a
little bit different than witches. It's kind of like the
difference be being a Baptist and being a Methodist, you know.
And we were invited down to Arkansas, which is where

(07:42):
this spell lived. He had lived on top of a mountain.
He had kind of a what do you call it,
a organic farm there, and we went through the whole summer,
got all this occult training. We were, you know, high
priests in Druidism by the time we got done. At
one point, I understand this fellow that old me occult bookstore.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
He was kind of a.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Manipulative guy who was very he was older than me,
very cunning. He told me took me aside and he said,
you know, if you really want to understand magic, you
need to read this book. And he handed me the
Satanic Bible by Anton Lavay and I said, well, why
would I want to read the Satanic Bible, which is
don't believe in Satan? And he said, well, just read

(08:32):
the book. And his LaVey's contention was that magic is
really about Satan. But Satan is like.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
An art type.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
He said, there is no real Satan, but it's like
an energy ager gore, an art type that you can
draw upon. And it kind of made sense to me.
And again the devil was gradually pulling me in. Whole
thing about the camel getting its nose into the tent
before you know the camel's in there. So I wrote

(09:07):
the Church of Satan, which at that time was in
San Francisco. I became a member of first deree member,
and then later on I went through some exams and
studies and I became a warlock, which was a second
degree member of the Church of Satan. And at this
also I should say this because this is critical. This

(09:29):
Eli guy, the Grand Druid down in Arkansas, he gave
us two words of advice. First of all, he said,
if you really want to understand Luciferian energy, you need
to join the Free Masonic Order. And he himself was
a thirty third degree Mason. He showed me his little certificate.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Event.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
He also told me that if you ever felt like
we were in deep spiritual trouble, that I should join
the Mormon Church because it was a church to it
and started by witches for witches that we could hang
out in and pretend to be nice. You know that,
you know the image of the Warmon Church. They're straight, nice, wonderful,

(10:14):
all American people with happy families and white picket fences and.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You know all of that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
But secretly they believe almost the same doctrines of witches believe.
And we can get into that if you want. But
anyhow so he gave us that advice. Again, this was
in the early seventies. So I joined the Masonic lodge
became a Master Mason at the same time as I

(10:42):
was a Satanist and the witch and only our inner
circle of the witches that we've been this time, we've
initiated over one hundred witches, and only our inner circle
knew that we were also Satanists, and we were continuing

(11:03):
in this and I finally figured out that there was
a deeper level of Satanism, and I got in touch
with some of them. Again, there was no internet, we
had to do all this by mail and whatnot. And
there was a group in Michigan called the Order of
the Black Ram which was like more hardcore Satanic stuff.
There was another group in Chicago called the Brotherhood, and

(11:27):
I got involved with them because they were closer because
Milwaukee's just up the road, about ninety miles from Chicago,
and I got really I mean, I sold my soul
to the devil. That's how deep I got into this stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, Before we actually get to that part, I want
to make sure it takes some time to talk about freemasonry,
because Freemasonry it's very rare to actually talk about, to
talk to former Masons, because it's something that you're not
supposed to talk about. So it's kind of an opportunity
to all, I have you here to kind of for
me personally to learn, but also for the people to
kind of have a knowledge about what freemasonry is. You
said that you became an as Mason. Can you explain

(12:01):
how the degrees and the lodges are set up in
freemasony So people actually understand what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, they're okay. The basic thing is what's called the
Blue Lodge, and that consists of three degrees entered Apprentice,
fellow craft, and Master Mason. A lot of Masons never
go any further than that.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I did.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
But basically it's like an initiatory process. The requirements are
you have to at that time. Now mind you, this
was I think I joined in seventy five. You had
to be a man, freeborn, of good report and well recommended.

(12:43):
So they asked you if you believe in God? And
I said yes, I.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Did, and I didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
They didn't ask which God I believed in? They just
can do you believe in God? And I said yes.
I didn't tell them that God I believed in had horns.
So anyhow, I went through the there's this whole process.
You do a lot of memory work, they call it.
You memorize all of these ritual things. You have a

(13:09):
mentor who's called your poster, who's an older Mason. And
the guy that I had was a real very kind guy,
an executive and the power company I can't remember a company,
and he helped me memorize all this stuff, and then
you go to second degree and then they have a
whole bunch of stuff to memorize. And just let me

(13:31):
touch this briefly, because people ask me, well, at what
point does masonry start to look creepy? I mean, because
there's tons of Christians under masons, literally thousands of them,
and I just asked them, how can you do that?
I mean because when you start out as a Mason,

(13:52):
you come to the lodge, they make you take off
all your clothes except your undies. They put you in
this like jammys. They're like, well, like they're like pajamas.
They're like typically the one knee is bare and one
breast is bare. You're left breast and I think you're
right knee, and you're blindfolded. You have a cable around

(14:14):
your neck. It's like a velt. They call it a
cable toe. It's like a velvet blue rope. And you're
tied up and you're led to the door of the
lodge and you've got a guy leading you because of
course you're blindfold and he knocks on the door and
somebody on it. This is all ritualized, and the guy
on the other side says, who comes here, and your

(14:37):
guy who's guiding you, who's a lodge officer, he says,
mister Bill Sneblin, who has been long in darkness, excuse me,
and now seeks to be brought to light to receive
the rights and benefits of the worshipful Lodge erected to God,
as all members have done before. And I asked, mister Christian,

(14:59):
mister pastor, mister elder, because there's like it used to
be still is it used to be? Forty percent the
pastors in a Southern Baptist convention were Freemasons. And how
can you say that you're in darkness when you have
Jesus in your heart? You see what I'm saying. And
then that's not it. You go into the lodge, you're

(15:23):
let around, like they call it circumambulation. You walk around
the lodge. They have these officers, a junior warden, the
senior warden at the different you know things of the compass,
and in the east is the worshipful Master who's like
the big big cheese. Then you're made to kneel at
this alder again. You're still blindfolded, and you're you're made

(15:49):
to understand it. You're putting your hands on Its huge.
It's like a pulpit Bible, you know, big King James Bible.
And this guy comes forward, this worshipful master, and he says,
you know, we're going to lead you through this oath
and I'm not going to go through the hole. Its
going to take like five minutes. But it's this long,
involved and ultimately blood curdling oath. At the end you say,

(16:17):
you swear the essence of the alser you keep the
secrets of an edit apprentice Mason, which of course I'm
violating right now. And then at the end you swear
that if I should ever reveal the secrets of an
edit apprentice Mason, I swear that I will have my
throat cut across, my tongue, torn out by the roots,

(16:38):
and buried in the sands of the sea where the
tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours should
I ever knowingly violate this my enerny apprentice's obligation. So
help me God and keep me steadfast to the due performance.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Of the Saint.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Now, if you were a Christian pastor or whatever, wouldn't
that kind of raise the hair on the back of
your neck?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I think it was raised the head on the back
of the necks of pretty much most people, just to
hear that.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah. And then at that point the worship master says,
my brother, in your current situation, what.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you most desire?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And then the guy that's with you, that he's a
senior warden, says light, whispers it in your ear, and
I say light. And then they remove the blindfold and
you see before you this big open Bible with a
square and compass on it. And those are that represent
the three great lights of masonry, the Bible, the square,

(17:46):
and the compass. And then they are revealed by the
three lesser lights of masonry, which are three burning tapers
that are adjacent to the altar. Now that's the most
mild initiation. From there on they get more and more creepy.
So I don't know how deep you want to go

(18:07):
into this, but basically, masonry is an anti christ thing.
It claims it's not religious, but it is. You know,
they play around with them because they say, oh, well,
we're just religious, but we're not a religion. Because if
they were a religion, then if you were already a Christian,
you shouldn't join another religion. Most Christians would say that like,

(18:31):
if you're a Christian, you wouldn't become a Buddhist. Right, Well,
masonry is a religion. I mean it has all equalities.
That's what I tell people. If you look at Webster's dictionary,
there's three things that make something of religion. According to Webster.
Number one, sunny has a belief in some sort of deity.

(18:51):
Masonry has that. Number two, it that belief is expressed
in some sort of ritual, and masonry is full of ritual.
I mean that's pretty much all it is. And then
the third quality is it has a system of some
sort of ethics or morality, and masonry has that. So

(19:14):
masonry is a religion, and it's an Antichrist religion. And
the problem is is it basically if you drill down
into this deep enough and read the books, read the
books that are written by people like Albert Pike, like
Albert mackew these are two you know.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Or.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Arthur Edward Waite. These are three prominent scholars of nineteenth
century early twentieth century masonry, and all of them were occultist.
Arthreaded Waite. He wrote a book on black magic and pacts,
How to Sell Your Soul of the Devil. And in
my book Shameless Plug, this is an old edition, this

(20:00):
is the first edition. It looks different now, But in
my book, I document how almost every single leading occult
person of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century was
a Freemason.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
They just go together, like you know, love and marriage.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
If people want to go look at these books, I
just want you to like kind of give them an
idea because if they want to confirm that for themselves,
what books are you talking about? What people are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, there's Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. He was
like the greatest Masonic scholar in America the nineteenth century.
He was a sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite,
and he's buried in the Scottish Rite Temple thirteen blocks
from the White House.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So that's one.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
The other one is Albert Mackie's Encyclopedia Freemasonry. There's Arthur
Eddard Way who has a whole bunch of books on masonry.
And again all of these are footnoted in my book.
I mean the last of lots of pages of footnotes,
because I'm not just making this stuff up. The other

(21:15):
person who really you need to pay attention to it
all of this because he's more contemporary.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Have you ever heard of Manly P.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Hall, have you? Yeah, Well, he was one of the
most notable occultists in America in the twentieth century. You
passed away in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think he was.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
The head of the Philosophical Research Society. He was a
very high level ceremonial magician, and he was also a
thirty third degree Mason, and he wrote this book Lost
Keys of Freemason. In that book, among many things, he
says that when you become a master Mason, you are

(21:58):
like a warrior on the block, and that's kind of
a sonic code, and the seething energies of Lucifer are
yours to command.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So these are like the biggest free Masonic figures that
we know about today. And yet most Freemasons have no
idea about this.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, because they don't read the books. They just they
join the lodge for whatever reason. It might be for business.
Because see, it used to be that up until I
think the early nineties, lawyers and doctors were not allowed
to advertise. They couldn't put like an ad in the

(22:39):
telephone book. It was like an ethics thing. And so
the only way that lawyers and doctors could kind of
build up business was by Masonry. They joined the Masonic Lodge.
They send referrals to one another, you know, a good
old boys network. So that's why a lot of people

(23:01):
joined the lodge. Many people join it because they had
an uncle or a father or a brother who was
in it. And honestly, unless you really understand the occult,
it's boring. I mean, imagine the most boring church service
you've ever been in, And having spent five years in

(23:23):
the Mormon Church, I can relate to that. But it's just,
you know, guys were sitting there snoring during the Masonic
ritual when I was there, and you know, because it's
like watching pink dry and they go every week. And
when I was involved in this, I was like the

(23:44):
youngest guy in the lodge by twenty years. All these
guys were like fifty, sixty, seventy years old, you know,
And basically they were there because they were buddies. And
afterwards they'd you know, play poker and eat you know,
sandwiches or something. But what none of these men understand,

(24:06):
I don't think, is that deep down inside there's this
very dark evil energy which is very sexualized. We document
in the book how many men that have come to
us over the years for deliverance. They were in masonry,
and they began to be drawn into wickedness, into perversion,

(24:31):
and even in the pediph And it's dark, dangerous stuff
because it opens up unholy desires within the men. And
then because of the way the spiritual world works, that
in turn percolates down into their family, and it affects

(24:53):
the wife, who may or may not be involved, because
there's a women's order of Masonry call the Order of
the Eastern stuf Are, whose symbol is a Satanic Penegrian
by the way, So anyway, it affects your children. So
many men that were Masons at first it had been
a pretty problem, but when their children started hitting puberty,

(25:18):
they just started to go in various ways nuts because
of this trickle down influence of the Masonic lodge.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I actually interviewed a woman whose dad was a Freemason,
and something very similar to that happened to her. So
she was never involved in you know, the Eastern Stars,
and as far as I understand, her mom wasn't involved either,
But there was you know, an element of the children
thing that you talked about with their family being abused
her siblings. Sorry, and she also around puberty started developing

(25:48):
you know, some weird things. So it does does correlate
what we're you're talking about, But I want to make
sure that people understand. I want to go back to
the degrees of freemasonry. You talked about the Blue Lodge.
You also mentioned the Scottish write there so York right.
Can you explain how that set up so people actually
understand what it means to be a thirty third degree Mason,
because I think it's just there's a lot of confusion
around it.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, it's a little complicated that in America. English masonry
is different. But in America, after Blue Lodge it forks
off in two directions. You can either go to the
Scottish right or the York right. The York right has
seven degrees. The Scottish right has twenty nine degrees. When

(26:27):
I was when I was made a master Mason, I
was told because at that time, I believe it or not,
I was going to the seminary to become an old
Catholic priest. And some of my brother masons knew that
and said well, the York right is the Christian path,
so to speak, So why don't you go off that

(26:48):
thing first?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So I did.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And the top of the York right is what is
called the knights Templar degree. Now in the Scottish Rite
you have these twenty nine degrees that some of them
are really creepy, I mean seriously creepy. They have one
I think it's a nineteenth degree where they actually try
to call up the devil. And finally at the top

(27:16):
of the thirty second degree, which is the Sublime Prince
of the Royal Secret. And that's as high as most
people go. If you're some really important person, either in
industry or in politics or in entertainment, you might be

(27:37):
offered to become a thirty third degree Mason, which is
the highest degree in American masonry. And many people, you know, presidents, actors,
I mean people like you know, Roy Rogers, Harry Truman,
all kinds of celebrities, burtle eyes, they're thirty third or word,

(27:59):
they are all the seas now thirty third degree raising
its Geneau tree, many of these people.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So that's the structure of it.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
And there's nuances in the York right that are very creepy,
but the Scottish rite is much more creepy.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
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let's get back in the story. Okay. So to make
sure that everyone understands, you know, kind of what you
already said about, I'll try to summarize it. So there's

(28:57):
the Blue Lodge which everyone has to go through, which
is three degrees and then you have two choices, either
that you're right, which is seven, or the Scottish right,
which is twenty nine. So three plus twenty nine equals
thirty two. So thirty two degrees in honorary thirty third
degree for people that are deemed to be important. So
that's kind of how it worked. Only on the Scottish right,
that's where the thirty third degree happens.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
So you actually, okay, okay, let me just correct something.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, yes, please, if you're.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
If you're a tenth degree ninth templer, you can become
a story to degree mason even if you never went
through the Scottish.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Rite, okay, minor detailed.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Okay, thank you, thank you for clarifying. So all right,
now we talked about the thirty third degree mason. People
usually are like, that's the highest level of freemasonry that
there is. There's also a bunch of people that talk
about you know this, there's secrets in freemasonry that a
lot of people don't know about, and you have to,
you know, be deemed worthy to be told these secrets.
You became a thirty third degree mason, and you eventually
joined this secret grouper, secret order or whatever you want

(29:54):
to call it, Can you explain what that is?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Okay? Well, beyond okay, beyond.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
What we've just been talking about over in Europe is
what's called the right of Memphis Mitril, and that is
three hundred and sixty degrees.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Beyond what's you know, I've already discussed, and most nations
don't even know about that. Now I got up.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
To the.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
If memory serves ninety six degree, And because how I
did that is there was a group in Chicago where
they were involved with that thing, because Chicago was and
probably still is a major nexus of Satanism. Most people

(30:47):
don't know that. So this group brought me into Memphis misery.
And then ultimately there was a fellow that's over all
away from Paris who was the son of Papos. Now
you probably don't know that name, but Pappus was a
very prominent nineteenth century high level occultist and ceremonial magician,

(31:10):
and he wrote a book called The Taruro of the
Bohemians about Toureau cards, you know, And he came over
and he brought me into the ninety seventh degree. And
this is where you get into the really deep stuff.
The idea is behind sexual alchemy, how to supposedly live forever,
you know, all this creepy stuff. Anyway, I would go

(31:36):
up to these guys that had been in the Scottish
Rite forever, you know, older man that were in their sixties,
and I say, okay, I'm now a sublime Prince of
the Royal Secret, you know, playing they did this initiation
and I was a sublime Prince of the Royal Secrets?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
And so what's the Royal secret?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
And they go, OHT Now, whether they were just feigning
ignorant because at this time I was like in my
late twenties or what. I don't know, but I learned
eventually after getting into the right of Memphis mistry. And again,

(32:16):
this is something that probably only one in a thousand
Masons in America understands.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
The Royal secret is that you can live forever by
sexually vamporizing children, literally, And that's what these people believe. Now, again,
the vast majority of Masons have no understanding of any
of this. They just think it's this good old boys

(32:43):
club that teaches, you know, morality. And this is the
way with almost all of these groups, whether it's the
Mormons or the Masons or the witches or the Vatican,
they all have this vast number of reasonably good people,
in some cases very good people under them that are

(33:07):
that are sort of feeding them all of this energy.
Because let me back up, when I was into Satanism,
we understood and we're taught that Satan draws energy from
being worshiped. And when when these guys they don't even

(33:28):
if they don't understand it, every time, if Mason kneels
at the altar and swears at all, the devil gets
energy from that. And again, most Masons, if they heard this,
they would be scandalized. They said, this guy's a nut.
But the funny thing is, and like you say, you've
talked with people who to a greater degree or a

(33:49):
lesser degree and believing, We talked to dozens of people
over the years in ministry who came to us who were,
you know, like sodomized as children who were literally taken
into the Masonic lodge after hours laid on that very
same alter the Holy King James Bible laid on, and
they were ganged by a bunch of old men that

(34:12):
were all high level Masons until they were practically dead.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, that's pretty much the story that I heard without
you know, details, because it was it was an eyewitness account.
It was a secondhand witness, but similar to what I
heard before. So, okay, a lot of said about freemasonry,
and you kind of said, how you know freemasonry is
worshiping Lucifer, And I think that's made very clear in
the books that you talked about. If people want to
check the references, they can check your book, but they

(34:39):
can go directly to the references if they doubt anything,
because it's in there. I want to go back to
something that you said earlier, because we kind of did
a tangent on freemasonry because I thought it was very important.
But you talked about selling your soul. Let's get back
to that, because I definitely don't want to ignore that.
Can you explain the circumstances around it?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Well, again, this there was a this group in Chicago
and they were they were entwined with this Memphis midstriam right,
and they were also with this It was like two
things together, the Brotherhood which I mentioned earlier, and then
this meant Memphis Midstream thing. And I interacted with these

(35:20):
people and at a certain point they said, well, if
you want to go any further and become a Satanic priest.
You need to, you know, sell your soul to the devil.
And so they took me to this park in glenn Ellen, Illinois,
which is like a suburb of Chicago. I don't know

(35:41):
if it's still there or not, but it was a.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Very weird part.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It was a broad daylight, and they said, don't worry
about it, you know, the cops are all devil worshipers.
And in the center of the park there was this
like area where they had these weird egypt statues. There
was like there literally was an altar with horns, you know,

(36:05):
kind of like the pictures you see of the of
the altar in the Temple of Solomon, you know, that
kind of thing. And they brought out this black book
and there are all these names in it, and this
one supposed high level Satanist kind of officiated, and I

(36:26):
swore an oath to Satan, my allegiance to him, that
I would serve him for seven years and he would
give you everything I wanted, you know, wine, women's song, power,
occult power, whatever. And at the end of those seven
years he could kill me and take me to hell.

(36:47):
By that time, I had been told that Satanists believe
that Hell is like one long orgy of drug sex
and rock and roll, so to speak. You know, so
I didn't think going the Hell was a bad thing
at that time. So I had to sign my name
in blood in this black book. And supposedly this sounds funny,

(37:09):
but I was supposed to go out and find seven
people to sell their souls to the devil under me,
so to speak, sort of like multi level marketing but
for the devil.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
And I did.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I got seven And I feel so bad about this.
I've contacted as many of these people as I can
fine to try and talk them out of it, and
you know, repent and all that. But you know, and
still I didn't have the things I needed. I had.
You know, my life was not good even though I

(37:46):
was supposed to this high level warlocks, Satanic priests, blah
blah blah. I was working in a nothing job, you know.
I was a security guard, you know, a warehouse, barely
getting by. And then what happened is I had written

(38:08):
a check. Every year, I wrote a check to the
Church of Saintman. I think it was for ten dollars
to renew my subscription. They had a newsletter probably still do,
called the cloven Hoof. And when I got the check
back from the bank, because they used to do that,
someone had written on the check, some lady by the handwriting,

(38:31):
I'll be praying for you in Jesus' name, and I
just scoffed. And the funny thing is, let me just say,
I had not had any contact with Christians. Nobody ever
tried to witness to me. Nobody, you know, had ever
come to our door and try to, you know, give
us track to talk about Jesus. Even the Joel witnesses

(38:55):
never came to our door because they were scared of us,
you know, because people understood, you know, they'd see us
out in the backyard in the moonlight and black robes
dancing around, you know. So anyway, I got this check
and I just scoffed at it. And literally, within twenty

(39:18):
four hours it was like I was hit with a
freight train. I lost all my occult power and believe
the magical power is real, I.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Lost my job.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I got as sick as a dog, and I thought,
what the heck, you know, So we had an altar
up in the attic, the whole attic. We painted it black,
and we had a magic circle on the floor. I
had a big statue of pan you know, the horn God,
all kinds of creepy stuff. And I went up there
and I knelt and I prayed to Lucifer, and I said,

(39:53):
what's going on. I've done everything you've told me, and
my life is just increasingly gone well, gone to hell literally.
And the funny thing is, even though I was praying
to Lucifer, Jesus answered my prayer because the next day

(40:16):
we got a call from these two teenage Satanist girls
from Chicago. They wanted to come up and meet me
because they heard about I was this great Satanic priest,
and so they came up on the train. They said,
we had a gift for you, and I thought, well,
I could use a gift right now because I just
lost my job. I don't have hardy any money, you know.

(40:37):
And they show up at the door and they sit
adoringly at my feet and they give me these two
comic books from Chick Publication. Yeah, I assume you are
familiar with Chick Publications.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm not. I think I'm too young for that.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's a Christian publishing house. And he made these I
don't know how many they are now.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
At the time, they.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Were like fifteen or so full color comic books, but
they were about Christian themes and they were intended to
be soul winning tools. And in the back of them
there was, you know, a thing about okay, how do
you get born again? And the two that these kids
gave me, I say kids, because they were probably their
late teens. One was called Spellbound and one was called

(41:24):
Angel of Light.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And even look these up.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
They're probably available online, and they are about the dangers
of the occult and about how Lucifer is really the
god behind all false religions. And I just looked at
them at whatever, you know, and threw them in the
door in the.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Closet and forgot about the well. Anyway, the next day.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
There's a knock on the door and we open it
up and it's Mormon missionaries. Never had one come before,
and they always are in, you know, two of them,
two young men, and I remember what this guy said,
This Grandmaster drew it back in, you know, in nineteen
seventy three. We're now in nineteen eighty, and we joined

(42:10):
the Mormon Church because we thought that was where we
were supposed to be. This was a sign from Lucifer.
So I joined the Mormon Church. I tried to be
a good Mormon. I stopped doing dope, I stopped having orgies.
I was just monogamous. And the only thing we did
because we had been led to believe by this druid

(42:32):
guy that the Mormons were white witches, and so we
still did white witchcraft, but we didn't do Satanism anymore.
We got all of that out of our lives, went
to the temple in the Mormon Church, did all their
secret rituals, which are very Masonic.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Well, let's actually stopped there, because this is actually important.
What kind of role did you have in the Mormon Church?
Because we just talked about missionaries coming to your house
and you said you joined. Can you explain a little bit,
you know, the progression and what kind of role you
eventually got there.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, well, okay, you get baptized and then after a year,
if you you know, mind your p's and q's and
pay your tithing and all of that, you're made an elder.
And that's what I was. I was an elder, and
then later I was made an elder's quorum president. So

(43:27):
that's like an administrative role right under the bishop. Now
understand in a Mormon church, I don't know if it's still this.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Way that back then. This is in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
A bishop, like most people think of a bishop as
some really high level guy. You know, in the Mormon Church,
the bishop is the head of a local congregation. They
call it reward ward and an elder's quorum president is
kind of like right under the bishop and takes care
of administrative stuff. And you get I had gotten a

(43:59):
temple recommend which is like a card that allows you
to go to the temple, because you're not allowed to
go to the temple unless you're worthy. And at that time,
we went to Salt Lake City because that's like the
Cadillac of Mormon temples, the Salt Lake Temple, and we

(44:20):
went through the rituals and that, I'll tell you, that's
a whole story in itself.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Do you want to get into that? Of course? Yeah, okay,
well so we go.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Now, mind you, we had information from this Grandmaster Druid.
He said, give these words to the guy when you
go into the Mormon Temple. And they had a system
which was probably kind of ahead of its time. This
was let's say nineteen eighty one, where you had this

(44:53):
card and it had a code on it. Right nowadays,
everybody's familiar with it, some kind of magnetic coding. They'd
put it into the machine and that would indicate you're legit.
And then we were told to say these words. And
when we put these words into the computer after our card,
the whole system had crashed, the entire computer system, and

(45:20):
so they didn't know what to do about that. So
they got rid of the people that they could. They
took us through the ritual, which involves a whole I
mean it's hours long. It's kind of like the Masonic
ritual on steroids. I mean, you go downstairs, you get
all basically naked. They wash your body, and it's done

(45:44):
man to man, willing to woman. But they wash your body,
they anoint your body with oil. You're given this magical
temple garment which you ran may not have heard of.
And what's interesting is, just to back one step up,
a lot of people don't know Joseph Smith, who was
the founder of the Mormon Church. In eighteen forty four,

(46:08):
he was made a master mason in Nauvoo, Illinois, and
after he was made a master Mason. He kind of
stole most of the Masonic ritual and created this temple ceremony.
The whole thing is just bizarre, and I go into
great depth. I have a video called Mormonism's Temple of Doom,

(46:31):
a DVD that you can get that goes into all
this in detail. But anyway, this is where it gets
kind of odd because after this is all over, we
were invited to go meet with the president of the
Salt Lake Temple, which is kind of a big deal.
And he said, what can I do for you? And

(46:54):
I said, well, we've been told we didn't say by
a druid, but we've been told that we need to
talk to an apostle. Now, understanding the Mormon Church, there's
this hierarchy. There's a prophet who's called the president, and
then there's the first presidency, which is two advisors in

(47:14):
the prophet. Under them are twelve apostles. So he said, well,
I'll see what I can do. So he arranged for
us to go to the church office building and meet
with one of the twelve apostles. At that time, it
was Elder James Faust. Believe it or not, that was
his name, Faust, which is kind of weird, if you.

(47:35):
Faust is a very prominent name in the history of
the occult. So we went there up into the church
office building, and to make a long story short, he said, well,
what do you want to talk to us about. He said, well,
we had these dreams and this is true. And again,

(47:56):
back then, nobody knew what was going on in the
Mormon temples. The stuff had not been made public in
any way. A couple of years after this, a couple
Chuck Chuck and Dolly Sackett, put out a book called
What's going On in There. They were former temple workers,
and they revealed the whole thing. But at this time

(48:17):
there was no anybody. And I said, we saw this
ritual where there was this white altar with a satin covering,
just like what's in the celestial room of a Mormon temple,
and on it was this naked young girl and everybody
was around channing pale Lucifer and he said, this apostle guy,

(48:42):
he said, well, I can tell you are very extraordinary people,
and I bury you my solemn testimony. And this is
a big deal. If you ever talked to a Mormon,
if they start saying I bury you my solemn testimony.
This is like a big deal for them. What you
have said is true, And if you can come to

(49:03):
Salt Lake and live here, we will find a place
for you in the worship of the Temple.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
So I'm actually curious about one thing you talked about,
the druid telling you that lucifer and secrets were found
in Freemasonry and in the Mormon Church, right, and you
had been a Freemason at that point, you also went
to the temple in Salt Lake. Can you talk about
the similarities if there are some, and what are they

(49:30):
between Freemasonry and Mormonism.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Well, first of all, if you go to Temple Square,
you'll see Masonic handshakes, You'll see the all seeing eye,
you'll see the sun, the moon, and the stars. There's
no crosses on the Mormon Temple. There's nothing Christian on
the outside of the Mormon Temple. When you get inside

(49:53):
the temple, most of the similarities are the fact you
go through three three levels, and in each level you're
made to you you're taught hand signs and handshakes and
things that are all very similar to Masonic stuff. And

(50:15):
you are made to square an oath, and you in
the first level, which I think is I mean, it's
been ages.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Since I've gone through all of this.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
You put your hand to your throat and go like this,
the same as you're doing in the n apprentice degree
of the Masonic Lodge. In a third level, you are
taught another set of secret handshakes, and then you're instructed,
and this is where it gets really massignic. You're instructed

(50:46):
to go up and they have this veil, which they
say is like the veil in Solomon's temple. So you've
got Masonic markings. You have a square and a compass
on the two her two you know, you check. You
have another marking on your navel and another Masonic marketing
on your knee. Okay, these same markings are on the veil,

(51:09):
but they're stitch so they're holes. And there is a
guy on the other side of the veil that you
can't see who represents Heavenly Father. He represents God. And
you go up to this guy and you're instructed. You
put your hand through the veil, and this is called

(51:30):
the Five Points of Fellowship. And this is right out
of Masonry and white, right out of witchcraft. Gardenerian Alexander
and Witchcraft and Masonry and Mormonism all have these fight points,
and the five points of fellowship are foot to foot,
knee to knee, hand to back, breast to breast, and

(51:51):
mouth to ear. I think I got that right. And anyhow,
so you're embracing this unknown guy through this veil and
he whispers to you the secret name of the Celestial Kingdom, and.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You're ready for this.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I don't know. I think.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
It's health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength
in the loins and in the sinews, power in the priesthood,
be upon me and my posterity for all generations of
time and all eternity. Now that might sound reasonably benign,
except for the fact that it's almost word for word

(52:38):
out of the Satanic grimard. It's a Satanic incantation. The
only difference is that obscene words are used. And then
when you're done with that, this guy draws you through
the veil into what is called the Celestial Room, the
Celestial Kingdom. And basically it's like this beautifully appointed everything

(53:04):
is in white or light beige, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
As sofas.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
It's like being in a really fancy hotel lobby, and
people are invited to just sit and absorb the wonderfulness
of it. And they believe literally that God the Father,
who they believe to be a man in a body,
and they believe that he invisibly walks around this celest children.

(53:33):
And they and I don't know if you know this
or not, that they believe he has hundreds of goddess
wives and that he is constantly impregnating these wives who
give birth to spirit children who come down. And they
believe that every child that is born on earth is
first fathered in Heaven with heavenly Father and one of

(53:57):
his goddess wives.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I've heard about that, and I think a lot of
Mormons if they hear you talking there, so that's not true.
But if you actually go back to the history or
what Joseph Smith taught, like you'll see and if you
talk to some of the elders probably in the Mormon
Church that know about this stuff, they'll tell you about it.
But what I find in what you said is essentially
that you know the details of Mormonism and Freemasonry, Like
the details are different, but the structure is very very similar,

(54:19):
and you can see where it kind of Joseph Smith
took it from especially since he was a Freemason. So
that's super interesting. I want to go back to your
story though, because you joined the Mormon Church to try
to help your life, your life.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You were really.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Struggling at the time, and you're trying to, you know,
become a better person, have a better life and all
of that. What did your life look like inside of
the Mormon Church.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Well, it was better, but of course part of that
was because I was no longer actively worshiping the devil.
I mean, I thought I was worshiping the true God,
but I wasn't. And I eschewed all of my vices.
I mean, I was no longer doing cocaine or smoking
dope or I never was one for drinking alcohol. So

(55:05):
I mean it was better.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But as I.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Rose in the ranks, and this is kind of an
I'm glad you asked this question as I became an
Elder's Quorum president. And again I don't know how things
are now, but back in this and then this was
in the early eighties, the elder's Forum president was supposed
to see that all of these guys under him, these
elders would go out and visit every home in the

(55:29):
war in the local congregation to see how they were
doing and to bring them a message from the prophet
quote unquote. And I'll tell you one thing. The Mormons
get right. Like I tell people, even a broken clock
is twice a day, and they are very good at
taking care of their people. If you saw a neighbor

(55:50):
who was in trouble in some way, like they need
of their sidewalk, shovel or whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
You would go do that.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And the idea was you were going to go and
love bomb this neighbor and make them want to join
the Mormon Church. And that's pretty good, you know. I mean,
I don't fault that, but you know, you've got to realize.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
For me, let me just put this in perspective.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
At this time, I had a job working in a
retail store forty hours a week. In addition to that,
I literally had to spend another forty hours a week
working for the Mormon Church with no pay because none
of the people exaid at the very highest levels of
the Mormon Church get any salary. So again that's an
admirable thing. But I was just working myself to death,

(56:40):
and I oftentimes I would have to go and do
the home teaching because I can then find somebody else
to do it. And I would visit these people and
I would talk to these people. I'll tell you this
one story. There was this one guy. I won't say
his name, but he was as older fellow, as sweet
as can be, married, had a family, but he was

(57:02):
stuck at being a deacon. A deacon is a twelve.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Year old boy.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
If you've turned to the age of twelve years old,
the bishop lays hands on you and makes you a deacon.
So this guy was stuck at being a deacon because
he wasn't worthy. Why wasn't he worthy? He couldn't stop smoking.
And as you may know, there's the big no no's
in the Mormon churches. You can't smoke, of course, you

(57:29):
can't take any kind of illegal drugs, and you can't
drink coffee. So this guy was trying. You know, I
don't know if you've ever been a smoker, but it's
a hard thing to get off your back. And I
would give this guy priesthood blessings, I would pray with him,
I would fast with him, I'd do all this, and

(57:52):
he was stuck. He was going to end up being
like the Mormon church is only ninety year old deacon
because of a merciless quality of Mormonism and the fact
that it didn't really have any power to transform his life.
And there were numerous stories like that, and it began

(58:12):
to put a crack in my belief in Mormonism because
I thought, Okay, if this is the true Church, which
is what they teach, then why if I'm holding the priesthood.
You know, I was a Holy mal Keezidic priesthood elder,
and if I laid hands on a guy to be
set free from nicotine, why didn't that work? Especially when

(58:35):
I was doing it like every.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Week, Especially because you had been in the occult before
and you had some of the power of the occult,
and so it's like you understood that there was power
somewhere and that Lucifer could give you power, and that
you thought you were in the True Church, and you
found none of this power. So I understand, But what
did you do? Because you said it started to question
your whole world? Fore you like, how did that develop?
Over time?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Well? Yeah, and okay, leaving on that, I ended up
having to move out of Milwaukee because at that time,
my wife wanted to go to nursing school and there
was a nursing school.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
In Dubuque that was good.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
And so I was without a job, and I had
some time on my hands, and I was trying to
find work, and I was plugging into the local Mormon
church in Dubuque, the ward there. But of course I
was no longer an eller's former president. And I saw
this thing in the local penny advertiser, you know, that said, Oh,

(59:33):
there's going to be a prophecy seminar at this park.
Oh that's good. I thought, I can go to this
prophecy seminar because he didn't say what church it was,
and I can steal some sheep because I belong to
a church that's being run by a true prophet, you know,

(59:54):
woopie doo. And so I went to this thing, and
I had never been to a Protestant service, and there
was this evangelist up there and they were talking about
the Book of Revelation and this guy was presenting the
gospel in the context of explaining that their version of

(01:00:17):
what the Book of Revelation means. So anyway, he was
talking about how you're saved by grace through faith, you know,
the basic Christian gospel. And I kind of raised my
hand being, you know, this wise acre, because they didn't

(01:00:37):
know I was a Mormon, and they see Warren's teach
that basically there's only two choices for the true Church.
Either the Catholics, who claim, you know, to have this
Apostolic succession all the way back to Peter up to
the present day, or else Joseph Smith, who was supposedly

(01:01:03):
given this mandate in the year eighteen thirty by the
Angel Moroni and by John the Baptist and whatever. And
because they said that all the Protestant churches were split
off of the Catholic Church, and so therefore they had
no authority. And so either you've got to be a Catholic,

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you've got to be a Mormon. And so I raised
this point in this guy, and he says to me,
where do you get the idea that you need to
be baptized in order to be saved? It says in
Acts sixteen thirty one, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ
now shall be saved and by house. And that was
the Bible verse that hit me, because I already read

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the whole King James Bible, because the Mormons used the
King James Bible. I read the Bible through five times
as a Mormon, but I had never seen that verse,
like you know how Bible verses lead about it you
And this verse went through my magic morning underwear like
a bullet through.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
A sheeta wedge tissue paper.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
And I went home, and I was trembling, and I
prayed and I fasted, because that's what Mormons are supposed
to do if you run into a spiritual dilemma. It
says write in Doctrine Covenants, which is one of the
Mormon scriptures of the four they have four scriptures they
have of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine Covenants,

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and the Pearl of Great Prist And I prayed and
I fasted, and supposedly, if you do that, if what
you're thinking of is true, you get a burning in
your bosom, and if it's not true, the Holy Spirit
will send you as stupor of mind and you will
forget what you're even talking about. So I didn't get

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either one. And so I did bring to mind the
comic books that I had gotten five years earlier or
more by this time, and I went and dug them
out because I'm in the back. It was how to
be a Christian, and so I got down at the
foot of my bed, I knelt, I took off my

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magic morment underwear because I didn't want any static on
the line when I talked to God, and I prayed
the prayers in the back of that comic book, and
I got born again, and that was the beginning of
my journey as a true Christian. So I got saved
partly through the assemblies of God. But then I was

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going to study to be a minister, and there were
stipulations that if you were either you or your wife
were divorced, and my wife was a divorce a, you
can't be a minister at that time. That was the
rule in the assembly. So I went over to the
Force for a church, which is a symbol. I don't
know if you're familiar with charismatic churches, but it's another
charismatic church. And there the pastor and his wife did deliverance.

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I mean, I got set free with a whole legion
of demons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
S I I'm sure, especially with the things you were
involved in, a lot of which we didn't touch on
because they're quite graphic, and you know, for the sake
of time, we can't talk about everything that you've gone
through because you have so much. There's something that you
talked about. Obviously, we talked about you selling your soul.
Now you accepted Jesus. I remember you talking about how
the covenant or the deal that you made with the

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devil was for seven years. So what happened with that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Well, thankfully, okay, that was made in nineteen Let's see,
that was nineteen seventy nine, and I got saved in
nineteen eighty four. And when I got saved, that wiped
out that stupid covenant. It took the power of the
devil off of me because I became a child of God.

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And of course I renounced that covenant part of you know.
I mean, I know there's different ways that people do deliverance,
and I don't know how familiar we are with deliverance,
but you know, one of the things that we encourage
people to do. I was encouraged to do was like
I went through and I renounced all of my Masonic oaths.
I renounced all the olds and covenants I took in

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the war. In church, I renounced the baptismal vows of
the Catholic Church, and I renounced that old that I
took to the devil in that park of Glen Allen
and nailed it all of the cross.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So it was you became a Christian before the seven
years had actually passed, And who knows would have happened
if that didn't I guess we're never gonna know. But uh,
there's something else that I would not be a good
interview er if I didn't ask you, because Freemasonry is
kind of a secret thing. You can't talk about it.
You already mentioned that you're breaking these rules. How were

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you able to be so open against Freemasonry as a
former Mason? Do you have any repercussions? Did that ever
happen to you? Can you explain that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, you could say that. I have had so many
attempts on my life I can't even begin to tell you.
But what partially helped me was the fact and I'll
just insert this little tale since you say like stories.
When I moved to Dubuque, I wanted to go and

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reconnect with the Masonic Lodge and debut, and so I
went to the And this was right after, literally about
a week after I got born again. The Masonic Lodge
had they called it a hell a high twelve luncheon,
which was on Friday noon, and everybody was welcome. And
I went to this luncheon. It was like a free meal.

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And I got in there and it's down in the
basement of this big lodge thing downtown Dubuque. And as
I was eating, I could feel this darkness. For I've
been in Masonic lodges hundreds of times, but because now
I had the Holy Spirit within me, I could feel
something dark and evil in oppressing, just pushing down on me.

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And I, you know, ate the lunch, and I even
I felt like this voice in my head saying, my son,
yet out of here. So I even skipped dessert, which
for me was a big deal back then. And I
went outside and this is in June, you know, the
bright June sunshine, and I felt like this, this incredible

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weight was off me. So I went home and I
was led to go to Ezekiel. Chapter eight. Me let
me just read it, because it's amazing how this dovetailed
with the Masonic lodge. Okay, here we are, I'm not

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going to read. It's kind of long, but he says
he's digging through the wall and he says, you know,
and this is in verse thirteen. After eight, he said
to me that this angel or whatever turn thee yet again,
and now shall see greater abominations that they do, meaning
the elders of Israel. And he brought me to the

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gate of the Lord's house, which is toward the north,
and behold there sat women weeping for Tom moves. Now
Tom Moves is a false slain and risen God, who's
part of the Masonic panteing. Then said Uno him, I
stole seeing this o son of man, turned thee at again,
and now shall see the greater abominations in these. And

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he brought Now this is critical verse sixteen. And he
brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house,
and behold the door of the temple of the Lord.
Between the porch and the elder were about five and
twenty men with their backs towards the Temple of the Lord,
and their faces toward the east. And they worshiped the
Sun toward the east. Now why is that important? Well,

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Masonic temps are required to face eat. The Worshipful Master
is in the east, and he is a symbol of
the Sun, and all the devotions of the Masonic lodge
face east. That means theoretically they ever have the back
to the ark of the Covenant, they have their back

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to the truth. And there's a thing in Masonic ritual
when every they have a ritual you go through whenever
they open the lodge. You know, every week they open
the lodge and they go around. When they come to
the worship Master, it says, as the sun rises in

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the east to rule and govern the day, so also
rises the Worshipful Master in the east to rule and
govern the lodge. And then the Master stands up and
he knocks up the lodge, which means he wraps to
travel three times. And the symbolism the soul vivid. When

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I saw that scripture, because I had been immersed in
masonry for nine years, I knew it backwards and forwards,
and I realized this was an indictment of the Masonic Lodge.
And within a week I sent a letter of the
Masonic Lodge and asked to have my name taken off
the worlds.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
There's so much and for the sake of time, I
know you have to go, so we'll have to wrap
it up. It's unfortunate because there's so many things that
we could talk about, but you wrote books. You have
a bunch of stuff. If people want more detail, thinking
they can go there, they can find you. I'll put
all the links on the website. If you go in
the description of this episode, you'll be able to find
all of that. But to end, Bill, I want to
ask you and give you this opportunity to give a message.

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And usually I only ask people one, but for you,
I wanted to make it a little bit different because
you've been in so many different things. You know, you
were a Satanist, a Freemason, and a Mormon. So if
you had a message to give to each one of
these people that are listening today, what would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Well, I mean, let me start with the witches slash Satanist.
I mean those people are worshiping power. They they think
they are trying to become one with nature, but the
power they are trying to tap is the power of

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the devil. And I know a lot of these even
some Satanists will say, we don't believe in the devil
except as an arch type, as a symbol. But they're
whistling in the dark. They're making a grave mistake that
can cost them their souls. Because you know, it doesn't
matter what you think. You believe the truth with the

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capital T is out there and you show it is
the way, the truth, and the life. And if you
reject him, as most witches and Satanists do, then your
fate is not good. It's not that God is this
big meaning in the sky who's going to send you
to hell. It's at your decision to ignore Christ or

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to mock Christ, whatever you want to call it. That
is a decision. It's going to cost you an eternity
in a very dark place, and you don't want to
do that. And essentially that same I would share that
same message. I mean Masons again, a lot of Masons

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are Christians. But the problem is, you know, like Elijah
said to the prophets of Bail in One King's eighteen,
how long halt ye between two opinions. If Bail is God,
serve him, but that the Lord is God, serve him.

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The Mason, you know, I bee the nicest person you
might imagine. But he's got one He's knelt at the
altar of Veil. He may have one knee on the
altar of Christ and one knee on the altar of Bil,
and these two things are going to drift apart, and
in my experience, I've administering to Freemason since nineteen eighty eight,

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and it's very hard for a mate, for a Christian
Mason to keep his testimony strong. It's very because the
Masonic lives will suck all the spiritual fire off of you.
So you need to get out of it because the
devil is after you. And even though it might seem

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good at the time, you know there's a way to
seem Us right onto a man, but the end thereof
his death. And I'd say the same almost the same
thing to the Mormons, except the problem is with the Mormons,
you're totally worshiping a false God, You're totally worshiping a
false Jesus, You're following a plan of salvation which is

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absolutely false, and you're in a very dark I mean
Mormon is it is honestly darker than Mason in my
humble opinion. So if you're in the Mormon Church, you
probably don't feel that evil. But the men at the
top of the Mormon Church are devil worshipers, and that

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spiritual power is perpolating downward into you and into your
family because of the way headship authority works in the world.
So again, you need to get out of the Mormon Church.
You need to find a good Christian church that really
believes in the Bible, and you know, again, renounce it,

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renounce your baptism, and if you've been to the temple,
renounce your temple vowlence and then go and get baptized
by a Christian pastor, you know, and you'll be hopefully
on your way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
But yeah, all three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Of those pasts ultimately land of the same place, even
though the one seemed much darker than the other two.
But the devil disguises himself as an angel of light,
Paul tells us, so that he can deceive us. So
that's what I would say. Trust in Yashua, Jesus Christ,

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don't trust in Joseph Smith, don't trust in the false
christ Masonry who is called him Beef, and certainly don't
trust in Satan.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Almost False podcast. Unfortunately,
Bill is a very busy man and I only had
a couple of hours with him, which is woefully insufficient
to talk about everything that he's experienced. I'm trying to
get him on the show again. If that happens, I'll
leave a link in the description, but whether it happens
or not, I highly encourage you to go check out
his content if you want more in depth knowledge about
what he said than his books are the best place

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to go. You can find them by clicking the guest
in full link in the description of this episode. Thank
you again for listening. I hope you learned something. Have
a good one and stay of us.