October 16, 2024 • 47 mins
This week on X-Reads, we’re rolling out the diamond carpet for the incredible Martha Marion, the voice of Emma Frost in X-Men '97 and Fortnite! Together, we dissect the DRAMA (and we mean DRAMA) of New X-Men #139 — an issue where psychic warfare gets personal, fiery, and oh-so-deadly. Jean Grey isn’t just mad—she’s Phoenix-level furious, confronting Emma Frost for seducing her husband Scott Summers.
Tune in as we chat about Jean's fiery wrath, Emma's sultry complexities, and the murder mystery in the mansion. You won't want to miss Martha’s take on voicing the White Queen herself, plus all our wild reactions to this unforgettable issue from writer Grant Morrison and artist Phil Jimenez.
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Tune in as we chat about Jean's fiery wrath, Emma's sultry complexities, and the murder mystery in the mansion. You won't want to miss Martha’s take on voicing the White Queen herself, plus all our wild reactions to this unforgettable issue from writer Grant Morrison and artist Phil Jimenez.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody. This is Chandler, and this is.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Chris, and this is Martha Maria, and you're.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Listening to Extreat's the podcast, right, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome in for episode one point thirty one. We're back
from our little Uncanny hiatus. Chris and I ran the
Uncanny Experience, but we're back bringing you an amazing episode
with special guest Martha Marion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, Martha, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hello to you both. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes, Yes, Martha is the voice of Emma Frost in
X Men ninety seven and Emma in Fortnite, which is
really cool.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, and you've also done some other amazing projects like
Costume Quest, Star Wars, Battle Fried, you were in recently
in the Transformers Earth Spark cartoon series, and many more.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah. Part of many iconic universes, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah. With Fortnite, have you played your character yet?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
No, I haven't, but it was so fun. It was
so fun and wild to record because you had to
be like, you had to be fully Emma Frost, and
all of it was in an unwritten English. I mean,
it's basically Gibbers. There's no written version of it, so
but it has a soundscape, so like you really are
making it up as you go, but it's also has
(01:26):
to be incredibly specific. And the director of it, I
forget if it was like Rada or whatever, but he
was British and went to one of the like very
very prestigious British theater schools, and so we are having
like these very serious discussions about whether like it won't
ah makes more sense than like you know, you know,
like yeah, eplosive and the vout like it was wild.
(01:47):
And also it was the day It's kind of unrelated,
but it was the day that the uh the Donald
Trump uh felony verdict came down and we stopped the session.
The director was like, stop, stops up and we did
that for a while and then went back into session.
So it was a pretty wild experience. But I can't
wait to play it. But I have not yet, but
I've heard good things. Yeah, I've heard good things.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, it definitely looks very cool. I am all about it.
And you know, Chanlelan knows this very well about me.
Emma Frost is my favorite character of all time in
the X Men universe. So Martha, you are already a
goddess in my eyes. But I want to know a
little bit about your backstory of your first exposure to
the world of the X Men and the character Emma Frost.
(02:30):
What was your earliest memories.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I mean, this is where I'm going to really come
across like a real nube, because you know, the X Men, like,
you know, the characters have always been on my radar,
you know, since the since the eighties and nineties, but
it's it's never been a thing I've known a ton about, right,
It's like it's impossible to you know, eat food and
(02:52):
drink water in this country without like knowing about the
X Men. So it's like, but really it was it
was getting this job where I got to start diving
in and and that is when I started to actually
can we swear on this?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh yeah, fuck yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, this is one. It's when I actually started to
fucking get it. Like, when I really started diving into
the ethos of it, was like, oh, oh, now I
see what they're doing. Now I really see what they're doing.
And I know you guys have talked about this in
a couple of other episodes, but as a as a
queer person like it also it just added that extra
(03:29):
layer and then I and then I really fell in love.
But it really was getting this job that opened my
ass what was really going on the whole time?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, well, in your research and discovery of Emma, tell
me what is your favorite thing about the character?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I mean, oh, well, we'll get more into this when
we get into the issue that we're going to be
looking at. But I mean, I like, I really like
complicated characters, and I like that she's not a villain,
a villain, you know, she's she's complicated, she's not a villain.
She's not necessarily good and what does that even mean?
Almost nobody is all a villain or is all good?
(04:07):
You know, I really see, you really see like a
three dimensional person. And it's like when she's doing stuff
that you wouldn't necessarily consider moral or the right thing
to do, she has a reason for doing it and
it's not all necessarily you know, self interest. But I
like that she has layers and that she's often misunderstood. Also,
(04:29):
diamond powers are battles diamond for who doesn't want to
have a diamond for?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But yeah, I like that she's really complicated and she's
a badass bitch. But also you can't put her. You
can't put baby in a corner, and you can't put
Emma Frost in a clean little box. And that's my
favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
When you're a research of X Men and kind of
getting to know them through this show, is there a
certain character that really jumped out to you that you're like, Oh,
I really love this character.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I think one of my favorite new characters. I really
like Jubilee, and I really kind of I feel like
I have an affinity with Jubilee, who's sort of this
scrappy new kid on the block in this world of
all these established characters or you know, for her in
this world of her like heroes and mentors, but also
she's just cool and she's and wonderful and she like
(05:20):
this also feels like a generational thing too, Like it's
like from the beginning she stands fully in herself and
it's like this is like I'm going to be loud
about it and this is who I am, and it's
going to be bright and shiny and I'm not dimming
that light for anyone. I also really like Beast. Yeah
that may be. That may be uh uh, that may
(05:44):
be more than like a friendship thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh oh oh yeah, Well Okay, no, you know, I
can see it. I can see it. Well, you were
a participant in the watch parties that Chris was hosting
at Scum and Villainy, and I know you were at
the finale party as well.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So what was that like?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
How was it like watching the show live with the fans,
and how is the finale for you?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I mean it was It was truly incredible. You know.
When I went to the first watch party, I didn't
I didn't fully know what to expect. It was overwhelmingly
awesome and just all like all the fans and people,
you know, people had come from far and wide, and
I got to talk to so many people, and then
we all got to watch the show together, which was
really cool because you know here too, Foar, I'd been
(06:31):
watching it, you know, on my couch, which was also cool,
you know, having so many fans there and like the
costumes were incredible, and to just connect with so many people.
It even like went that next layer of deepening my
understanding of what this universe is like, not just what
it means to people. It means that to people because
that's what it actually is, like, It's an invented world
(06:53):
that now is a real world because of the people
that love it and make it great. So that was Yeah,
that was fun as hell. I think on the what
was it the was it at all of them or
just the finale where they had X Men themed cocktails?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, that was a finale alle Yeah, I may have.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I may have had one or two more of those
than I could otherwise have had.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did too. I ordered the Emma Frost drink because
it was so good.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I had it too. It was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yes, yeah, I had the one that had the logo
on the phone. I can't remember what that was called.
I think it was called the Uncanny Cocktail or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I loved it. That was such a fun experience. I'm
so glad that I could see a part of the finale,
and you know, big thanks to Christopher making that all happen.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Oh and then I also got to I also got
to talk to the creators of the of the original series.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes, Eric and Julia Lea.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, they and I kind of like, I really fan
girled out, like I really lost it because they were
so cool to talk to. And in addition to that,
I think they did like Rescue Rangers and Darkwing Duck,
which also like, we're big parts of my childhood, but
just I don't know, and just talking to them and
how they were so happy. They were like X Men
(08:14):
ninety seven. They really did it like what we imagined
it would be. You guys did it and that meant
so much to them, and so that meant so much
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Beautiful. Yes, I call them the architects of our childhoods.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
In the grocery store, nobody notices you the architects of
our childhood.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. Well, we have an amazing issue today. I was
scouring the Marvel Unlimited app, which I love to use. Definitely.
If you don't have Marvel Unlimited, check it out, y'all
that are listening, listen. This issue is by Grant Morrison.
The art is by Phil Jimenez, and it is a stunner,
(08:56):
like Grant Morrison, writes Emma Frost. So well, well, and
we get to cover this classic issue. We're gonna set
the era of when this came out. And this came
out it was published April sixteenth of two thousand and three,
so rewind do do do do do do. Let's go
back to April sixteenth, to the two thousand and three,
(09:17):
What was the top movie, Chandler?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
The top movie was Anger Management. Yeah, this is Wolverine's movie.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
There's a businessman who is wrongly sentenced to an anger
management program where he meets an aggressive instructor. And this
is what Jack Nicholson, Adam Sandler, and Marissa Tomay. Have
you seen this movie? Martha?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I thought I had until you said who was in it?
And now I realized that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think Adam Sandler movie it is. Oh, I thought
you said somebody else. Sorry, Oh well Jack Nicholson first, So.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler are in any same
movie together. Blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, I was that.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
What is the year? So in April of two thousand
and three, I was a month away from graduating from college.
Because I don't mind aging myself. I like my age.
But I was a month away from graduating from college,
so I was mostly just in an absolute existential crisis
about what my life was going to be like. I
don't remember seeing a lot of movies, but I'll not
check that one out.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, I'm just a year behind you. I graduated in
two thousand and four from college, so I did not
see this movie. This was not on my radar.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I'm having a Mendela effect? Was it not Jack Nicholson?
And it was somebody else? In this anger management movie
with Adam Sandler? Was there somebody else that popped into
your head?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
The first though I thought is Robert de Niro. But
Robert de Niro totally is it?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That was the one that popped into my head too?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ooh, I know we're in our new reality Mendela effect.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We were in the Sliding Doors universe where it's Robert
de Niro and Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, completely, yeah, all the top Oh yes, yes, Danny
V show the top song. This classic was called into
Club by fifty cent. So do you know a little
Tommy in a little bit? Come on, I I just
know how you find me in the club?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Bottles full of bub. Actually, let's look it up. I
want to look.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
They're a rubb adub dub in there.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I hope, so, I really hope. So let's get these
lyrics going on.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, but you have to dramatically say it like in Shakespeare.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh oh god, I got it all.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Right, preferably in a British accent.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yes, I want full Patrick Stewart here, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, let me get up to
the Okay, you can find me in the club, bottle
full of bub Look, mommy, I got the X. If
you into taking drugs.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm into having sex. I ate into making love. So
come give me a hug. If you into getting rubbed, you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Can find me in the club the bottle pulling bub Look, mommy,
I got the X off you into taking drugs.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I'm not having making less of Come on, give me
a hug. If you're inny getting red. Wow, that is
wrap perfect.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That is yeah. Honestly, that show ready. I think you
guys are ready.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We're ready, We're ready.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Also, Chandler, when you were saying at the beginning, I
was like, you're you're doing it like a M A
M s R AM SMR erotica.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was working the club.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
On a very quiet thing.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Crinkling of the bottle wrapper.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Exactly, getting rubbed exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You can hear the cork.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh that pee. People are gonna really SMR. People are
really going to like that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm going to start an ASMR channel and you're welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, and it's all fifty cent lyrics.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's all fifty cents. It's a winning TikTok channel already,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, all right, let's get into this fabulous issue. Everybody.
We are reading New X Men number one thirty nine.
The title is Murder at the Mansion, one of three Shattered.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's written by Grant Morrison, art by Phil Jimenez and
again it was published April sixteenth of two thousand and three.
And on the cover, yeah, the gorgeous ladies.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We have Emma Frost and the dark Phoenix sitting there
and power.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
My first feeling on the cover is hot, but also yeah,
in terms of the Ema specifically, it's like, it's so
interesting because where this issue goes that, Like her pose
on the cover is like I am invulnerable, like this
is my like this is my armor, but also like
this is my power. And then we find out she
(14:05):
might be a little bit vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
M Yes, which is what we love about Emma Frost
is that she's hard as a diamond.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But soft inside exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, And we've got them getting each other's side eye
for days. The side eyes are really on fire, literally,
and I want to I want to just call attention
to these little spikes underneath Phoenix's arm, so if you
in all they're draped, you know, they're sitting on to
the viewer who might not be seeing it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh right on the right.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, they're sitting on these platforms. And Emma's cape white
cape is draped over her platform, and Jean's dark phoenix
she's sitting on what's a chair, but it's draped with
a black cape with spikes, which I don't know if
that's her black Queen cape when she was Black Queen
of the hell Fire Club, But either way, I love
just the little attention to details because this is a
(14:58):
choice that the that the artists made.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Never have I ever have noticed that in all these
years you found a new Easter egg egging. I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's great, the very specific choice.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah. And also just in terms of like wardrobe, they
both have this very like you know, these like structural bodices,
but then these like flowing diaphanous robes. So it's like
again the heart and the soft which they both have.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, here we are on the title page. We have
our previously on New X Men. We have our cast.
We see that we have Cyclops, Emma Frost, Jean Gray,
Wolverine Beast and Zorn.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
As far as previous events of this story. We know that,
you know, Genosha exploded.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Janosha got destroyed by the Wild Sentinels due to Cassandra Nova. Yeah,
which is the parallel of X Men ninety seven, because
X ninety seven, of course Youoha gets destroyed by saying
the massacre.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah. Yeah. And in this particular comic rune is the
famous scene where Emma comes out of the rubble, which
we also see in X Men ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Which to play that was very fun.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, everybody was really looking forward to that
because once we realized as audience members were like, oh
my god, they're doing the new X men Genosha massacre
in X Men ninety seven era, like you know, because
you're creating your whole little world, and we're like, Emma's
on that island and she was in the comics, so
is she going to come out in diamond form?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And then you did, and everybody you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You personally came out in diamonds.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Personally, it was it hurts a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
More than okay, but have you seen all the memes
about why she's wearing lipstick in the in the scene,
It's just funny because if you turn your skin to diamond,
why are her lips red? And so they always there's
all these really funny bands like how did it happen? Yeah,
it's like her and the rubble being like, oh they're
coming Oh we put them.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The mechanics of the mechanics of it. Yeah. Yeah, Look
there's like guess I'm coming out of but never be
seen without your lipstick.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's insane, Rag, exactly exactly your face must be. Right.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Well, as we turn the page, we're going to discover
that there are more parallels from X Men ninety seven
to this Grant Morrison run, and one of them is
that in X Men ninety seven we see a similar
scene to this, but it happens with Madeline Pryor and
Jean Gray and Scott. But in this issue, in the
original source material back in two thousand and three, we
(17:28):
see this.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We see Emma wearing Jean's clothes as Gene comes in
and Scott and Gene is coming in essentially catching them
in what looks a bit compromising. But it's a little
more complicated in that, but it looks compromising.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Oh, there they are in a bit Yes. To note,
Cyclops is not wearing a shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
No shirt he is in a state of quasi undress.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And very in shock because he got caught. And then
Jane bursts through the door and she says, I knew
i'd find my husband here in your head, Emma, Jean,
it's not real, it's just thoughts, Scott. Shut up. You
you think this is funny.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well you have to agree. I look rather good in
these old rags of yours, Dear. Look, I can think
of myself into something a little more up to date,
if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And then Emma transforms into her gorgeous Emma Frost. Look
out of that dark phenus garb.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Hmm, gene.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's not what you think, It's exactly what I think
out And then she flicks her wrist and then sends
Scott into engulf flames and his eyeglasses are flying off
of his head. And then we are back in the mansion.
He is awake, he is out of his head.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yes, I guess he was just standing in the hallway
the whole time, having a mental affair with Emma.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, he's not in that room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, but I do love the cuckoos, yes, And the
cuckoos around him are all carrying breefcases.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You look dazed. Mister Summers, did Miss Frost throw you
out of us? She's like that, Jean, you're wasting your
time now. She won't speak to us either, missus Gray
Frost one bit. It looks like there's going to be trouble.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Slam and the door slams.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They walk out of the building. They say they're they're
they're out of school. It's summer and sometimes at school
you can learn just too much.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And then we are in Professor Xavier's office and I
must say, Chandler, who art department at the uncady experienced
Professor Xavier's office, you did quite a good job, because
I'm seeing it, I'm getting did a good job. R olation.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Actually, I was like, I think I want to get
some of these items and add them to Xavier's office.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well he has he senses something up and he says, Gene, oh,
what are you up to now? And we see Beast
who's also questioning. He's inside of his life, tinkering away
at stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
They can feel the psychic energy crackling through the mansion
and Scott Yells.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Opened this door. Jean and Jean and Emma are still
inside of this room, inside of their heads, and she
says to Emma, Scott shook off possession by an evil
spirit called en Saba Nour. Nothing like that have ever
happened to him before. Emma, You have no right to
exploit his confusion.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Now know what you're talking about, Jane. He came to
me in a state of utter desolation, possessed by nothing
more than the drab horror of his empty.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Marriage and inside of the construct in their mind. Emma
has a portrait on her wall. What is this mimicking
Andy Warhol?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This is Andy Warhol?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Oh? It very is. Yeah, it's kidding And among my
other achievements, I'm a qualified sex therapist.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Really, and then Jeane starts to get a fireball in
her fist. She's angry. You could see the grimace on
her face in the next panel, and she continues, you
just can't help ruining everything, can you? Your road to
Damascus moment, the big change of heart when you decided
to join the X Men had absolutely nothing to do
(21:16):
with altruism, did it. It was all about causing trouble
as usual, Just you and me. Emma turn around and
look at me.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
She uses her power to flip the chair around so
Emma's facing her. Emma scared, turns into her diamond form
for protection. And then we turn the page on a
big spolash page and we see gene aflamed in a firebird.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And she says, you and me and the Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Loves to use the Phoenix at any moment. She's just like, Oh,
me and Phoenix, we're really close. Oh you want me
to call Phoenix into this. Let me get Phoenix on
the phone.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, right, yeah, we took I'm not afraid to call her.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I'm not a big Geene fan.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And this is a great issue, and Morrison's ron is
a really great kind of reflection of her character.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Anyway, So we're back out in the hole.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What's your beef with Jeane?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
My beef with Jean is exactly what Emma says. That
she's a bit of a bully, she's a bit of
a I'm too good for everybody kind of vibe, and uh,
and I just don't.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Like her very much, and pretends like she's maybe a
little more goody two shoes than she is. Correct, Yeah,
like a little more of like a moral Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
No, she's the one that would say something right, super
shady to somebody and then turn around be.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Like, Professor, you wouldn't believe what just happened.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Like the person is just getting in trouble and she's
she's really the schoolyard bully, as Emma's about to say
in a couple of pages.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, well, outside of the door, we have Scott trying
to get in, and Zorn and Professor Xavier or they're
trying to assist as well, and you know he's not
having it. Cyclops is like, don't help me. I've already
been trying to help, by Emma, and look what happened,
and this is not good. And he's contemplating his thoughts
because it's just like, well, wait a minute, she's in
(23:06):
my head and this is all happening, so it's not real, right,
Like it's not really cheating because it was in my thoughts.
I can't help my thoughts thoughts, her thoughts, right, Oh yes,
And then I love how Professor's like, I will.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Say, I'm a little bit on his side on this one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, thoughts thoughts.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, in that and like you know, of what he
said just now, but then later it does seem to
get a little more complicated.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well yes, and no, actually I mean I we'll get
into it anyway. Professor is like, let's not anger the Phoenix, for.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The Peotix wants to destroy everything. Yeah, and I just
can we keep.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
It chill just a little bit around, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And I love how Scott's like, I don't care about
the fat eggs.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I've had enough of this, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
It's just like the drama is ramped up to eleven
in this issue Explosion.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But then we get back to the psychic battle between
Emma in Gene and it looks like they're in Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Jean to hear, be reasonable. You really don't know your
own strength, and you can be inclined to shocking violence.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I know exactly what I'm doing, Emma, Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
You have no right to come in here uninvited. Get
out of my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Oohoo.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yes, And we actually go further into her thoughts because
we see beautiful mansion located in Boston, which they are
entering into, and Jean says, I'm not in your thoughts anymore. Emma.
You're enfolded in mind. This is your memory of where
you grew up, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
What is it to you? Who do you think you
are to do this? To me.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm the wife of the man you've been seducing, Emma,
And to tell the truth, this memory means nothing to me,
but it seems pretty important to you. I wonder why you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Left me in a mental hospital the last time you
smashed your way into my thoughts. Also, this is the
first time it's getting physical.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh yeah, Emma is about to strike Jean, and Gene
is grabbing Emma's forearm.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Your pacifist posturing hides a playground bully, Jean Gray.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Shut up, Emma. I promise I won't throw big light
in bolts of psychic electricity at you this time. But
the fire of the Phoenix burns through lies. You understand,
The gaze of the phoenix is like an X ray
tearing through every self deception. So burn Emma.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Jean, listen to yourself. Don't do this. I've been having
a difficult time recently. Everything in my life has changed.
I'm trying to be honest with you. Oh and then
there's just a big disembodied head psychic screaming, don't hurt
me like this.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And I got chills in this moment because Emma is
such an unflappable badass. Ye ninety nine percent of the
time that I've seen her in comic books, in movies
and television anywhere. And in this moment, in this panel
with this disembodied head, you really see that she is
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in danger. She is in trouble.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, and she's trying everything she can to get this
to stop before it goes any further.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And where are we, Chandler, Well.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We're in the living room or the drawing room or
whatever you want to call it of the Boston manor
that I guess the Frost live in. And we see
Christian Frost at the piano. We see Missus Frost staring
at some flowers, and father, mister Frost, standing and addressing
his three daughters, who are seated on a love seat
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or a couch facing him in this kind of lush manner.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, and Emma and Jean are brought into the scene.
They're on the right side of this panel, and Emma continues,
so there's like.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, and there's so there's an Emma watching young Emma
on this couch. Yeah, yeah, don't bring me back here.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's your father.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I know I'm wasting my time with Christian over there.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
So let's see how the.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Remaining as to the throne, live up to my expectations,
says mister Frost. Which of you can I trust?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Which of you can I trust to steer out fortunes
safely into the future. Will it be you, Cordelia? Should
I pass my kingdom into your subtle, dark and devious hands?
Or should it be Adrianne, heartless, brilliant? Adrianne seems the
obvious choice. But then there's Emma, rebellious little Emma.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yes, it's true, I had cosmetic surgery. What's it to you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's not what I'm looking at. It's what's going on
beneath all this, And.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
What's happening is we're staring at Emma. She's a little
flat chested for Emma Frost, and I think she's implying
her nosed job that she famously has had in comics.
So I don't know if Emma's had a lot of
augmentation since this time in her life. But yes, we
have adult Emma and adult Gene veering in on them.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, and Gene is surveying the scene even more, and
she spots Emma's mother, who is fixing some flowers and
has a very glazed smiled look. Over her face, and
then Jene continues, your mother's barely conscious. I can fill
three different prescription tranquilizers. Addiction seems to run in the family,
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along with the fear of your father.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Brother. Christian didn't stay a user stop this.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, so he went insane. But what about you, Emma?
And then we cut from Christian at the piano looking
all happy with a beret and to Christian inside of
a mental institution with a straight jacket, and he is
banging his head on the wall.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
And this is basically when we're like, oh, Emma Frost
is experiencing a lot of intergenerational trauma in her current behavior.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, yeah, but what we learn is that he lands
on Emma, Emma rebellious little Emma. Yes, he lands on her.
He's chosen her to become the heir.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And Emma is heating on the table and now she
is just locked on her younger self.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I remember Adrian gasping suddenly as the horrible truth she
denied was revealed. Second best, poor daddy, After all those years,
he was finally telling me he cared, and the only
way he knew how, he was giving me a chance
to shine, an opportunity to prove my worth. So I
looked him in the eye and said, I think I'll
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make my own way.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yes, And they tell the story how she had four
hundred dollars in a savings account. She just started from
the bottom. This is all attribute to her character, which
I love, is that she could have had the silver
spoon and she said, no, I can do it myself.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And we cut to a scene and it looks like
they are in some sort of castle, medieval stairwell, ascending
the stairs and she wonders.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Why am I telling you all this?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You're not, It's just happening that way.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And then they're in the going up to the Hellfire Club.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I believe, yeah, and it looks like there is it's
like this American idle type of sort of situation where
there's auditions and you can see in the background a
different suit of cards which is very hell fire, and
it appears that she is doing her best rendition of
Julia Stiles in that one dance movie. Why what I'm
talking about Save the Dance or something like that. She
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had an audioship for Juilliard and it was just like,
just look it up by the internet. You guys, you're
gonna have fun Juliah Stiles dance movie auditioned. Trust Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And then basically Emma's talking us through how she she
climbed through the ranks of the hell Fire Club, starting
as a backup dancer all the way to the White
Queen and by manipulating everybody, and uh yeah, and she.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Tried to me and using her powers, but also just
really learning how each person was manipulable. What does this
specific person want me to be? And if I can
be that, then I've got them yes to which And
I became exactly what Sebastian wanted, the Ice Queen, the
dominatrix from Hell, and I watched how he did business.
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I learned how simple and predictable the desires of men
can be.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And then I love how she she reclaimed some power.
She's kind of you know, she's like, oh, yeah, I
did this, I built myself up. And so she tries
to carve a little bubble of psychic protection away from
the Phoenix. And I love the way that Philameniz draws
this is that she kind of shatters the thing that
the memory that they're in. She tries to build back
her room with her Andy Warhol print and everything her
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safe house, you know, or psychic safe house beautiful. Uh No,
Gene won't have it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
She won't have it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And then she carves the psychic space for herself. And
then she says this wonderful line, which is absolutely none
off your business.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, which is absolutely none of your business. Scott came
to me because he couldn't talk to you about his
feelings because the truth is, you don't know what ordinary
feelings are anymore. You're not human at all. Now, are you, Gene?
What's in there where you used to be? Ooh, a
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little bit of power?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yes, I love her. And then, Emma, you made me
take it.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Now it's time for me to dish it out.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, and Jan quickly continues, Emma, do you honestly think
you can protect yourself against this? You think you can
do what you like, But I know what haunts your
every waking hour, Emma Frost, stop hiding from me. Something
happened in Hong Kong. Show me what happened between you
and Scott in Hong Kong, now, Emma, or I'll make
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you relive the life of every single child you've allowed
to die. Ooh, And then what do we see on
the next day we get a huge yes, so yeah,
this is carnage.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, it's it's all of the dead Hellians and students
or people associated with Emma Frost that have died since
the beginning, and it is traumatic. And this, again is
another element of Jean Gray that I don't like, is
that she's she's wielding this when she's trying to get information.
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I understand she's angry, but this is a bit much.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, the punishment does not fit the crime. Like, I
want to know about you and my husband's mental affairs,
so I'm going to show you the dead bodies of
a bunch of people you loved.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She could just get the information of the Psycholopsis head,
which we're going to get into in a second, but
it's just like she's like really going after Emma in
a hard way.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
There are I think it also shows that Gene is
not is not in control, Like there's no moderation button.
It's yeah, right, Like it's like when you're like anybody
you know, when you have a rage that can't be
that's out of control.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I do want to point out Easter eggs because I'm
the Easter egg king in the far left bottom corner.
You see the tarot cards. I'm assuming the dead person
there is terrorists taro. Yeah, you see the death card there,
you know. But also what I really like to see
is there's graded papers. There's several of them in they're
a's and this signifies that Emma she viewed her students
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as perfect. That's just like her and in her memory,
in her eyes, even though like there's dead bodies there,
those graded papers say AA plus yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right over her right shoulder is a character Negasonic Teeny's warhead,
which is much different in the MCU, but this is
the character that died in her arms when Janosha was
getting destroyed and she couldn't protect the student. Even though
she was turning into diamond forms, she couldn't protect this girl.
So this girl really weighs heavy on her because she
couldn't save her.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
My students don't make me look.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Then we go into Hong Kong, which is a lovely
city by the way out of the trauma and into
the international delightful city of Hong Kong, which I've been to,
and we see Cyclops and Emma in Scott's bedroom. He
is in his boxer shorts and she's barging in on
him with a bottle of champagne in two glasses, and
he is trying to fend her off. He's saying, I'm
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saying celibate since gen died, know that I'm not drinking anymore.
Like he's really trying to keep her away. But this
is Emma's remembrance of it. And Jeane doesn't believe what
Emma's memories are saying. She thinks that she's manipulating her memories.
And we cut back, So why.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
She go through all this rigm world to get Emma
did to say it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I know believe her anyways, I know, I know. But
then we cut to reality. We smash cut to reality.
We see Emma actually on the floor, cowering from this experience,
and that's where we that's where we really feel that. Yeah,
she she has, you know, crumbled under the weight of
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
I have to go now. You have no right to
judge me, Jean. I loved those children. I wanted them
to be independent and strong.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And crashoom cyclops, nightclops. He takes off that visor or
he opens his eyes and lass through the door and
there's five in Jean's hair. Yeah, it's okay, she's Phoenix,
she could take it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yes, you're way out of line, Jane. If you want
to know what happened between Emma and me in Hong Kong,
read my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So now we go back into the inside of Scott's
mind in that beautiful hotel room and Emma looking all sexy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, and so we see Emma definitely throwing herself at him,
but Cyclops maintaining, you know, his it's Gene or nothing vibe.
And and that's how far we get. And and you know,
he's embarrassed that it even got that far, you know,
and that's why it wasn't truly a physical affair. But then,
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of course that happened, so it made his mind spin
into what was it what would it be like if
if it moved forward, you know, And that's kind of
where we were set, is that it didn't. It didn't happen,
but he fantasized about what if it did.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
And you can tell that Gene really is tormented around
like the fact that they were thinking about it, yeah,
is torturous to her. Yes, the fact that he was
thinking about it the whole time is tortuous.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yes, I'll give her a.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Point for that.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So anyway, this bad guy Enzabinur wound up worming his
way into my thoughts. Even when I threw him off,
I couldn't stop thinking all this awful stuff. I mean,
people like Jean and the Professor just shrug this kind
of thing off like it's some occupational hazard. It's hard
to talk to them.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And only you could use the words bad guy to
describe a murderous disembodied consciousness. Dear, So, all you're saying
is that some mind monster put a lot of dirty
thoughts in your head and you're embarrassed in case your
telepathic wife sees what you're really thinking about her.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Oh, Scott, how ordinary, Emma, I'm serious about this whole
celibacy thing. It's gene or nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Come on, why can't you just give up your place
on the Olympics suffering team and relax with some wine
an adultery.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes, And then in real life we see Scott storming
out of the room because he proved his point. And
that's when Jesus is like, they weren't thinking about it,
And I like.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
How Professor is like, but they weren't thinking about it.
They were thinking about it the whole time.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Okay, so can we like, can we take it down? One? Though?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, not only that, but the Professor has to be
like he's like getting these kind of bleeding thoughts from
the Phoenix. He's like, I'm hoping that this is only Joe, Like,
but the Phoenix has come to disinfect the planet, is
what I'm hearing out of your head right now? Like,
what is that?
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I don't need lectures, Charles the voice, Yeah, no, no, no,
we know, we know.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, we got it, we got it.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
We got that part.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
And I love how he's so mad he steals Wolverine's
bike again.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I feel like he's got Professor X is like, oh,
dear Lord, not search for cyclops again. I know, because
he's always starving off.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
This is when it gets the closest to like a
workplace sitcom where they're like, I can't love with these people.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, I know. And then I love how Wolverine went
into you know, you know Console Emma, and you know,
I'm a big fan of Wolverine. A lot of people
know this, and this is one of the reasons why
I love him, is that he knows how to talk
to people on all levels of like drama, and he's
just like, listen, don't get in between those two. I
know from experience, like like you know. And she realizes that,
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you know, we'll get into her dialogue, but that maybe
she should not have fallen for Scott to begin with. Emma, hey,
it's me you okay, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Fine, Logan, thank you. Jean had a little rummage around
in my mind and knocked a few things over. She
can do that. She's more than just a telepath. She
sees right through us and gets to decide whether we're
innocent or guilty, like a judge and jury. I hate
this awful place and these ugly repressed people.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Come on, Darling, it's not so bad. But you should
have known better than to get between Genie and Slim.
Trust me, still, nice, try.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I know. I know he lies beside her at night
without touching her. I know she sees what he's thinking
and despises him for his weakness. I know she's so
pure and their love is so special Logan. And I'm
so shallow and spiteful and manipulative. I know because she
saw right through me, she saw the truth, and I
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had no defense. And she knows too. Why did I
allow myself to become so stupid and vulnerable, Logan. Why
did I have to fall in love with Scott Bloody Summers.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, they've collapsed to the floor, Logan and Emma, and
he's giving her a hug and kind of consoling her. Again,
I love Wolverine.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, And we see that a shot of the mansion
and the leaves falling during daytime. But later it is
nighttime at the Xavier Institute and we have Beasts who
is singing a song and he is bringing what looks
like to be champagne and roses to Emma's room. Do
you want to be beasts?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yes? So he's singing looks like maybe Italian. I don't know,
some sort of opera. I'm sure that's great.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's the one, Emma, same wirl bet Emma, it's Henry.
Logan said, you were pretty down, so I brought that
book I was telling you about and oh my.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
He opens the door and he drops all the things
that he was holding. Because on the floor, what do
we see, Martha.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
We see a shattered Emma Frost in her diamond form.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yes, don don.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Absolutely shattered in pieces on the floor.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yes. And this is where we get the title of
the comic, they wait all the way to the last.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Page Murder in the Mansion, Yes.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
To be continued.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Wow, well that was super fun. Yeah, So tell us
what did you think of the issue? What was your
favorite part?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I mean, yeah, I love that issue. I mean I'm
a big like psychology nerd, so I'm always into back
like backstory, origin story where let me yeah, like also
her family is such like the roy family from Succession
with a little bit like King Lear thrown in, so
that part of me really loves that, like, please don't
take me back, you know, don't take me back to
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the place of my intergenerational trauma. But then also I
really love, you know, like the visual storytelling and again
that moment where Emma is this disembodied head in the
like primal scream of pain and when you know, Gene
is like this like absolutely rageful fire phoenix. Just those
moments where like like these two women just are absolutely
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at an eleven out of ten and the art is
so beautiful. But yeah, those moments where they're just like,
you know, I really like those moments absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Chris, what was your favorite part?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
My favorite part was in my head, it was two
drag queens battling it out, and it was even more
over the top than it was on the pages. And
this is probably one of the most epic issues between
Emma and Jean and Scott of all time.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
This could be a full like drag cabaret show.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yes, this issue, Yes, yes, I wanted universe. We're manifesting
this right now. This needs to happen. What about you,
channelor what was your favorite?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
There's a lot of favorite moments, but I think the
last page says it all. Beast shocked expression dropping a
full bottle of wine on the ground and the shattering
of her diamond form epic epic.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah all right, well, thank you very much for joining us.
This has been monumental. Like it's such an honor to
have you on the show, Like I said, Emma Frost,
like it has such a deep place in my heart.
So being able to do these lines with you is
come true.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yes, so so much fun and yeah, I just it
makes me again, as I said, like it, I really
do feel I do feel honored to be able to
play this character and to hope to do her justice
because of just how much she means to other people,
and to be allowed to like, take that on as
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an actor is just I feel humble and honored all
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
So well, huge fingers cross us that Emma returns for
season two.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We we They wouldn't have brought her back out of
the rubble if she did not have something to say
in season two, So I'm going to just plant that
I believe she will return, though I know it's not
public knowledge yet. Same wink.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
We are, we are, We all know truly nothing, and
we are in agreement.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Martha, where can people find you online if they want
to follow your career?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Yeah? So so full disclaimer. I am not so much
on the social media. I'm just not a huge presence.
I need I need to do better at that. But
if you do want to follow me on Instagram, it
is Mary and Martha, so just my name in reverse
and that's the best place to find me.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Fantastic, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining
us on x reads.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Thank you so much, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
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Thanks so much for listening. Bye.
Hi, everybody. This is Chandler, and this is.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Chris, and this is Martha Maria, and you're.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Listening to Extreat's the podcast, right, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome in for episode one point thirty one. We're back
from our little Uncanny hiatus. Chris and I ran the
Uncanny Experience, but we're back bringing you an amazing episode
with special guest Martha Marion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, Martha, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hello to you both. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes, Yes, Martha is the voice of Emma Frost in
X Men ninety seven and Emma in Fortnite, which is
really cool.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, and you've also done some other amazing projects like
Costume Quest, Star Wars, Battle Fried, you were in recently
in the Transformers Earth Spark cartoon series, and many more.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah. Part of many iconic universes, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah. With Fortnite, have you played your character yet?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
No, I haven't, but it was so fun. It was
so fun and wild to record because you had to
be like, you had to be fully Emma Frost, and
all of it was in an unwritten English. I mean,
it's basically Gibbers. There's no written version of it, so
but it has a soundscape, so like you really are
making it up as you go, but it's also has
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to be incredibly specific. And the director of it, I
forget if it was like Rada or whatever, but he
was British and went to one of the like very
very prestigious British theater schools, and so we are having
like these very serious discussions about whether like it won't
ah makes more sense than like you know, you know,
like yeah, eplosive and the vout like it was wild.
(01:47):
And also it was the day It's kind of unrelated,
but it was the day that the uh the Donald
Trump uh felony verdict came down and we stopped the session.
The director was like, stop, stops up and we did
that for a while and then went back into session.
So it was a pretty wild experience. But I can't
wait to play it. But I have not yet, but
I've heard good things. Yeah, I've heard good things.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, it definitely looks very cool. I am all about it.
And you know, Chanlelan knows this very well about me.
Emma Frost is my favorite character of all time in
the X Men universe. So Martha, you are already a
goddess in my eyes. But I want to know a
little bit about your backstory of your first exposure to
the world of the X Men and the character Emma Frost.
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What was your earliest memories.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I mean, this is where I'm going to really come
across like a real nube, because you know, the X Men, like,
you know, the characters have always been on my radar,
you know, since the since the eighties and nineties, but
it's it's never been a thing I've known a ton about, right,
It's like it's impossible to you know, eat food and
(02:52):
drink water in this country without like knowing about the
X Men. So it's like, but really it was it
was getting this job where I got to start diving
in and and that is when I started to actually
can we swear on this?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh yeah, fuck yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, this is one. It's when I actually started to
fucking get it. Like, when I really started diving into
the ethos of it, was like, oh, oh, now I
see what they're doing. Now I really see what they're doing.
And I know you guys have talked about this in
a couple of other episodes, but as a as a
queer person like it also it just added that extra
(03:29):
layer and then I and then I really fell in love.
But it really was getting this job that opened my
ass what was really going on the whole time?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, well, in your research and discovery of Emma, tell
me what is your favorite thing about the character?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I mean, oh, well, we'll get more into this when
we get into the issue that we're going to be
looking at. But I mean, I like, I really like
complicated characters, and I like that she's not a villain,
a villain, you know, she's she's complicated, she's not a villain.
She's not necessarily good and what does that even mean?
Almost nobody is all a villain or is all good?
(04:07):
You know, I really see, you really see like a
three dimensional person. And it's like when she's doing stuff
that you wouldn't necessarily consider moral or the right thing
to do, she has a reason for doing it and
it's not all necessarily you know, self interest. But I
like that she has layers and that she's often misunderstood. Also,
(04:29):
diamond powers are battles diamond for who doesn't want to
have a diamond for?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But yeah, I like that she's really complicated and she's
a badass bitch. But also you can't put her. You
can't put baby in a corner, and you can't put
Emma Frost in a clean little box. And that's my
favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
When you're a research of X Men and kind of
getting to know them through this show, is there a
certain character that really jumped out to you that you're like, Oh,
I really love this character.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I think one of my favorite new characters. I really
like Jubilee, and I really kind of I feel like
I have an affinity with Jubilee, who's sort of this
scrappy new kid on the block in this world of
all these established characters or you know, for her in
this world of her like heroes and mentors, but also
she's just cool and she's and wonderful and she like
(05:20):
this also feels like a generational thing too, Like it's
like from the beginning she stands fully in herself and
it's like this is like I'm going to be loud
about it and this is who I am, and it's
going to be bright and shiny and I'm not dimming
that light for anyone. I also really like Beast. Yeah
that may be. That may be uh uh, that may
(05:44):
be more than like a friendship thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh oh oh yeah, Well Okay, no, you know, I
can see it. I can see it. Well, you were
a participant in the watch parties that Chris was hosting
at Scum and Villainy, and I know you were at
the finale party as well.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So what was that like?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
How was it like watching the show live with the fans,
and how is the finale for you?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I mean it was It was truly incredible. You know.
When I went to the first watch party, I didn't
I didn't fully know what to expect. It was overwhelmingly
awesome and just all like all the fans and people,
you know, people had come from far and wide, and
I got to talk to so many people, and then
we all got to watch the show together, which was
really cool because you know here too, Foar, I'd been
(06:31):
watching it, you know, on my couch, which was also cool,
you know, having so many fans there and like the
costumes were incredible, and to just connect with so many people.
It even like went that next layer of deepening my
understanding of what this universe is like, not just what
it means to people. It means that to people because
that's what it actually is, like, It's an invented world
(06:53):
that now is a real world because of the people
that love it and make it great. So that was Yeah,
that was fun as hell. I think on the what
was it the was it at all of them or
just the finale where they had X Men themed cocktails?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, that was a finale alle Yeah, I may have.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I may have had one or two more of those
than I could otherwise have had.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did too. I ordered the Emma Frost drink because
it was so good.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I had it too. It was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yes, yeah, I had the one that had the logo
on the phone. I can't remember what that was called.
I think it was called the Uncanny Cocktail or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I loved it. That was such a fun experience. I'm
so glad that I could see a part of the finale,
and you know, big thanks to Christopher making that all happen.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Oh and then I also got to I also got
to talk to the creators of the of the original series.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes, Eric and Julia Lea.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, they and I kind of like, I really fan
girled out, like I really lost it because they were
so cool to talk to. And in addition to that,
I think they did like Rescue Rangers and Darkwing Duck,
which also like, we're big parts of my childhood, but
just I don't know, and just talking to them and
how they were so happy. They were like X Men
(08:14):
ninety seven. They really did it like what we imagined
it would be. You guys did it and that meant
so much to them, and so that meant so much
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Beautiful. Yes, I call them the architects of our childhoods.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
In the grocery store, nobody notices you the architects of
our childhood.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. Well, we have an amazing issue today. I was
scouring the Marvel Unlimited app, which I love to use. Definitely.
If you don't have Marvel Unlimited, check it out, y'all
that are listening, listen. This issue is by Grant Morrison.
The art is by Phil Jimenez, and it is a stunner,
(08:56):
like Grant Morrison, writes Emma Frost. So well, well, and
we get to cover this classic issue. We're gonna set
the era of when this came out. And this came
out it was published April sixteenth of two thousand and three,
so rewind do do do do do do. Let's go
back to April sixteenth, to the two thousand and three,
(09:17):
What was the top movie, Chandler?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
The top movie was Anger Management. Yeah, this is Wolverine's movie.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
There's a businessman who is wrongly sentenced to an anger
management program where he meets an aggressive instructor. And this
is what Jack Nicholson, Adam Sandler, and Marissa Tomay. Have
you seen this movie? Martha?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I thought I had until you said who was in it?
And now I realized that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think Adam Sandler movie it is. Oh, I thought
you said somebody else. Sorry, Oh well Jack Nicholson first, So.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler are in any same
movie together. Blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, I was that.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
What is the year? So in April of two thousand
and three, I was a month away from graduating from college.
Because I don't mind aging myself. I like my age.
But I was a month away from graduating from college,
so I was mostly just in an absolute existential crisis
about what my life was going to be like. I
don't remember seeing a lot of movies, but I'll not
check that one out.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, I'm just a year behind you. I graduated in
two thousand and four from college, so I did not
see this movie. This was not on my radar.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I'm having a Mendela effect? Was it not Jack Nicholson?
And it was somebody else? In this anger management movie
with Adam Sandler? Was there somebody else that popped into
your head?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
The first though I thought is Robert de Niro. But
Robert de Niro totally is it?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That was the one that popped into my head too?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ooh, I know we're in our new reality Mendela effect.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We were in the Sliding Doors universe where it's Robert
de Niro and Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, completely, yeah, all the top Oh yes, yes, Danny
V show the top song. This classic was called into
Club by fifty cent. So do you know a little
Tommy in a little bit? Come on, I I just
know how you find me in the club?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Bottles full of bub. Actually, let's look it up. I
want to look.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
They're a rubb adub dub in there.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I hope, so, I really hope. So let's get these
lyrics going on.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, but you have to dramatically say it like in Shakespeare.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh oh god, I got it all.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Right, preferably in a British accent.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yes, I want full Patrick Stewart here, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, let me get up to
the Okay, you can find me in the club, bottle
full of bub Look, mommy, I got the X. If
you into taking drugs.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm into having sex. I ate into making love. So
come give me a hug. If you into getting rubbed, you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Can find me in the club the bottle pulling bub Look, mommy,
I got the X off you into taking drugs.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I'm not having making less of Come on, give me
a hug. If you're inny getting red. Wow, that is
wrap perfect.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That is yeah. Honestly, that show ready. I think you
guys are ready.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We're ready, We're ready.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Also, Chandler, when you were saying at the beginning, I
was like, you're you're doing it like a M A
M s R AM SMR erotica.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was working the club.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
On a very quiet thing.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Crinkling of the bottle wrapper.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Exactly, getting rubbed exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You can hear the cork.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh that pee. People are gonna really SMR. People are
really going to like that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm going to start an ASMR channel and you're welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, and it's all fifty cent lyrics.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's all fifty cents. It's a winning TikTok channel already,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, all right, let's get into this fabulous issue. Everybody.
We are reading New X Men number one thirty nine.
The title is Murder at the Mansion, one of three Shattered.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's written by Grant Morrison, art by Phil Jimenez and
again it was published April sixteenth of two thousand and three.
And on the cover, yeah, the gorgeous ladies.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We have Emma Frost and the dark Phoenix sitting there
and power.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
My first feeling on the cover is hot, but also yeah,
in terms of the Ema specifically, it's like, it's so
interesting because where this issue goes that, Like her pose
on the cover is like I am invulnerable, like this
is my like this is my armor, but also like
this is my power. And then we find out she
(14:05):
might be a little bit vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
M Yes, which is what we love about Emma Frost
is that she's hard as a diamond.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But soft inside exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, And we've got them getting each other's side eye
for days. The side eyes are really on fire, literally,
and I want to I want to just call attention
to these little spikes underneath Phoenix's arm, so if you
in all they're draped, you know, they're sitting on to
the viewer who might not be seeing it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh right on the right.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, they're sitting on these platforms. And Emma's cape white
cape is draped over her platform, and Jean's dark phoenix
she's sitting on what's a chair, but it's draped with
a black cape with spikes, which I don't know if
that's her black Queen cape when she was Black Queen
of the hell Fire Club, But either way, I love
just the little attention to details because this is a
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choice that the that the artists made.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Never have I ever have noticed that in all these
years you found a new Easter egg egging. I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's great, the very specific choice.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah. And also just in terms of like wardrobe, they
both have this very like you know, these like structural bodices,
but then these like flowing diaphanous robes. So it's like
again the heart and the soft which they both have.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, here we are on the title page. We have
our previously on New X Men. We have our cast.
We see that we have Cyclops, Emma Frost, Jean Gray,
Wolverine Beast and Zorn.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
As far as previous events of this story. We know that,
you know, Genosha exploded.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Janosha got destroyed by the Wild Sentinels due to Cassandra Nova. Yeah,
which is the parallel of X Men ninety seven, because
X ninety seven, of course Youoha gets destroyed by saying
the massacre.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah. Yeah. And in this particular comic rune is the
famous scene where Emma comes out of the rubble, which
we also see in X Men ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Which to play that was very fun.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, everybody was really looking forward to that
because once we realized as audience members were like, oh
my god, they're doing the new X men Genosha massacre
in X Men ninety seven era, like you know, because
you're creating your whole little world, and we're like, Emma's
on that island and she was in the comics, so
is she going to come out in diamond form?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And then you did, and everybody you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You personally came out in diamonds.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Personally, it was it hurts a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
More than okay, but have you seen all the memes
about why she's wearing lipstick in the in the scene,
It's just funny because if you turn your skin to diamond,
why are her lips red? And so they always there's
all these really funny bands like how did it happen? Yeah,
it's like her and the rubble being like, oh they're
coming Oh we put them.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
The mechanics of the mechanics of it. Yeah. Yeah, Look
there's like guess I'm coming out of but never be
seen without your lipstick.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's insane, Rag, exactly exactly your face must be. Right.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Well, as we turn the page, we're going to discover
that there are more parallels from X Men ninety seven
to this Grant Morrison run, and one of them is
that in X Men ninety seven we see a similar
scene to this, but it happens with Madeline Pryor and
Jean Gray and Scott. But in this issue, in the
original source material back in two thousand and three, we
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see this.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We see Emma wearing Jean's clothes as Gene comes in
and Scott and Gene is coming in essentially catching them
in what looks a bit compromising. But it's a little
more complicated in that, but it looks compromising.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Oh, there they are in a bit Yes. To note,
Cyclops is not wearing a shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
No shirt he is in a state of quasi undress.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And very in shock because he got caught. And then
Jane bursts through the door and she says, I knew
i'd find my husband here in your head, Emma, Jean,
it's not real, it's just thoughts, Scott. Shut up. You
you think this is funny.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well you have to agree. I look rather good in
these old rags of yours, Dear. Look, I can think
of myself into something a little more up to date,
if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And then Emma transforms into her gorgeous Emma Frost. Look
out of that dark phenus garb.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Hmm, gene.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's not what you think, It's exactly what I think
out And then she flicks her wrist and then sends
Scott into engulf flames and his eyeglasses are flying off
of his head. And then we are back in the mansion.
He is awake, he is out of his head.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yes, I guess he was just standing in the hallway
the whole time, having a mental affair with Emma.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, he's not in that room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, but I do love the cuckoos, yes, And the
cuckoos around him are all carrying breefcases.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You look dazed. Mister Summers, did Miss Frost throw you
out of us? She's like that, Jean, you're wasting your
time now. She won't speak to us either, missus Gray
Frost one bit. It looks like there's going to be trouble.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Slam and the door slams.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They walk out of the building. They say they're they're
they're out of school. It's summer and sometimes at school
you can learn just too much.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And then we are in Professor Xavier's office and I
must say, Chandler, who art department at the uncady experienced
Professor Xavier's office, you did quite a good job, because
I'm seeing it, I'm getting did a good job. R olation.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Actually, I was like, I think I want to get
some of these items and add them to Xavier's office.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well he has he senses something up and he says, Gene, oh,
what are you up to now? And we see Beast
who's also questioning. He's inside of his life, tinkering away
at stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
They can feel the psychic energy crackling through the mansion
and Scott Yells.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Opened this door. Jean and Jean and Emma are still
inside of this room, inside of their heads, and she
says to Emma, Scott shook off possession by an evil
spirit called en Saba Nour. Nothing like that have ever
happened to him before. Emma, You have no right to
exploit his confusion.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Now know what you're talking about, Jane. He came to
me in a state of utter desolation, possessed by nothing
more than the drab horror of his empty.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Marriage and inside of the construct in their mind. Emma
has a portrait on her wall. What is this mimicking
Andy Warhol?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This is Andy Warhol?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Oh? It very is. Yeah, it's kidding And among my
other achievements, I'm a qualified sex therapist.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Really, and then Jeane starts to get a fireball in
her fist. She's angry. You could see the grimace on
her face in the next panel, and she continues, you
just can't help ruining everything, can you? Your road to
Damascus moment, the big change of heart when you decided
to join the X Men had absolutely nothing to do
(21:16):
with altruism, did it. It was all about causing trouble
as usual, Just you and me. Emma turn around and
look at me.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
She uses her power to flip the chair around so
Emma's facing her. Emma scared, turns into her diamond form
for protection. And then we turn the page on a
big spolash page and we see gene aflamed in a firebird.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And she says, you and me and the Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Loves to use the Phoenix at any moment. She's just like, Oh,
me and Phoenix, we're really close. Oh you want me
to call Phoenix into this. Let me get Phoenix on
the phone.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, right, yeah, we took I'm not afraid to call her.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I'm not a big Geene fan.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And this is a great issue, and Morrison's ron is
a really great kind of reflection of her character.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Anyway, So we're back out in the hole.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What's your beef with Jeane?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
My beef with Jean is exactly what Emma says. That
she's a bit of a bully, she's a bit of
a I'm too good for everybody kind of vibe, and uh,
and I just don't.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Like her very much, and pretends like she's maybe a
little more goody two shoes than she is. Correct, Yeah,
like a little more of like a moral Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
No, she's the one that would say something right, super
shady to somebody and then turn around be.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Like, Professor, you wouldn't believe what just happened.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Like the person is just getting in trouble and she's
she's really the schoolyard bully, as Emma's about to say
in a couple of pages.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, well, outside of the door, we have Scott trying
to get in, and Zorn and Professor Xavier or they're
trying to assist as well, and you know he's not
having it. Cyclops is like, don't help me. I've already
been trying to help, by Emma, and look what happened,
and this is not good. And he's contemplating his thoughts
because it's just like, well, wait a minute, she's in
(23:06):
my head and this is all happening, so it's not real, right,
Like it's not really cheating because it was in my thoughts.
I can't help my thoughts thoughts, her thoughts, right, Oh yes,
And then I love how Professor's like, I will.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Say, I'm a little bit on his side on this one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, thoughts thoughts.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, in that and like you know, of what he
said just now, but then later it does seem to
get a little more complicated.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well yes, and no, actually I mean I we'll get
into it anyway. Professor is like, let's not anger the Phoenix, for.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The Peotix wants to destroy everything. Yeah, and I just
can we keep.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
It chill just a little bit around, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And I love how Scott's like, I don't care about
the fat eggs.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I've had enough of this, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
It's just like the drama is ramped up to eleven
in this issue Explosion.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But then we get back to the psychic battle between
Emma in Gene and it looks like they're in Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Jean to hear, be reasonable. You really don't know your
own strength, and you can be inclined to shocking violence.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I know exactly what I'm doing, Emma, Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
You have no right to come in here uninvited. Get
out of my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Oohoo.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yes, And we actually go further into her thoughts because
we see beautiful mansion located in Boston, which they are
entering into, and Jean says, I'm not in your thoughts anymore. Emma.
You're enfolded in mind. This is your memory of where
you grew up, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
What is it to you? Who do you think you
are to do this? To me.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm the wife of the man you've been seducing, Emma,
And to tell the truth, this memory means nothing to me,
but it seems pretty important to you. I wonder why you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Left me in a mental hospital the last time you
smashed your way into my thoughts. Also, this is the
first time it's getting physical.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh yeah, Emma is about to strike Jean, and Gene
is grabbing Emma's forearm.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Your pacifist posturing hides a playground bully, Jean Gray.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Shut up, Emma. I promise I won't throw big light
in bolts of psychic electricity at you this time. But
the fire of the Phoenix burns through lies. You understand,
The gaze of the phoenix is like an X ray
tearing through every self deception. So burn Emma.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Jean, listen to yourself. Don't do this. I've been having
a difficult time recently. Everything in my life has changed.
I'm trying to be honest with you. Oh and then
there's just a big disembodied head psychic screaming, don't hurt
me like this.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And I got chills in this moment because Emma is
such an unflappable badass. Ye ninety nine percent of the
time that I've seen her in comic books, in movies
and television anywhere. And in this moment, in this panel
with this disembodied head, you really see that she is
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in danger. She is in trouble.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, and she's trying everything she can to get this
to stop before it goes any further.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And where are we, Chandler, Well.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We're in the living room or the drawing room or
whatever you want to call it of the Boston manor
that I guess the Frost live in. And we see
Christian Frost at the piano. We see Missus Frost staring
at some flowers, and father, mister Frost, standing and addressing
his three daughters, who are seated on a love seat
(26:56):
or a couch facing him in this kind of lush manner.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, and Emma and Jean are brought into the scene.
They're on the right side of this panel, and Emma continues,
so there's like.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, and there's so there's an Emma watching young Emma
on this couch. Yeah, yeah, don't bring me back here.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's your father.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I know I'm wasting my time with Christian over there.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
So let's see how the.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Remaining as to the throne, live up to my expectations,
says mister Frost. Which of you can I trust?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Which of you can I trust to steer out fortunes
safely into the future. Will it be you, Cordelia? Should
I pass my kingdom into your subtle, dark and devious hands?
Or should it be Adrianne, heartless, brilliant? Adrianne seems the
obvious choice. But then there's Emma, rebellious little Emma.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yes, it's true, I had cosmetic surgery. What's it to you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That's not what I'm looking at. It's what's going on
beneath all this, And.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
What's happening is we're staring at Emma. She's a little
flat chested for Emma Frost, and I think she's implying
her nosed job that she famously has had in comics.
So I don't know if Emma's had a lot of
augmentation since this time in her life. But yes, we
have adult Emma and adult Gene veering in on them.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, and Gene is surveying the scene even more, and
she spots Emma's mother, who is fixing some flowers and
has a very glazed smiled look. Over her face, and
then Jene continues, your mother's barely conscious. I can fill
three different prescription tranquilizers. Addiction seems to run in the family,
(28:51):
along with the fear of your father.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Brother. Christian didn't stay a user stop this.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, so he went insane. But what about you, Emma?
And then we cut from Christian at the piano looking
all happy with a beret and to Christian inside of
a mental institution with a straight jacket, and he is
banging his head on the wall.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
And this is basically when we're like, oh, Emma Frost
is experiencing a lot of intergenerational trauma in her current behavior.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, yeah, but what we learn is that he lands
on Emma, Emma rebellious little Emma. Yes, he lands on her.
He's chosen her to become the heir.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And Emma is heating on the table and now she
is just locked on her younger self.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I remember Adrian gasping suddenly as the horrible truth she
denied was revealed. Second best, poor daddy, After all those years,
he was finally telling me he cared, and the only
way he knew how, he was giving me a chance
to shine, an opportunity to prove my worth. So I
looked him in the eye and said, I think I'll
(30:04):
make my own way.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yes, And they tell the story how she had four
hundred dollars in a savings account. She just started from
the bottom. This is all attribute to her character, which
I love, is that she could have had the silver
spoon and she said, no, I can do it myself.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And we cut to a scene and it looks like
they are in some sort of castle, medieval stairwell, ascending
the stairs and she wonders.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Why am I telling you all this?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You're not, It's just happening that way.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And then they're in the going up to the Hellfire Club.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I believe, yeah, and it looks like there is it's
like this American idle type of sort of situation where
there's auditions and you can see in the background a
different suit of cards which is very hell fire, and
it appears that she is doing her best rendition of
Julia Stiles in that one dance movie. Why what I'm
talking about Save the Dance or something like that. She
(31:04):
had an audioship for Juilliard and it was just like,
just look it up by the internet. You guys, you're
gonna have fun Juliah Stiles dance movie auditioned. Trust Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And then basically Emma's talking us through how she she
climbed through the ranks of the hell Fire Club, starting
as a backup dancer all the way to the White
Queen and by manipulating everybody, and uh yeah, and she.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Tried to me and using her powers, but also just
really learning how each person was manipulable. What does this
specific person want me to be? And if I can
be that, then I've got them yes to which And
I became exactly what Sebastian wanted, the Ice Queen, the
dominatrix from Hell, and I watched how he did business.
(31:50):
I learned how simple and predictable the desires of men
can be.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And then I love how she she reclaimed some power.
She's kind of you know, she's like, oh, yeah, I
did this, I built myself up. And so she tries
to carve a little bubble of psychic protection away from
the Phoenix. And I love the way that Philameniz draws
this is that she kind of shatters the thing that
the memory that they're in. She tries to build back
her room with her Andy Warhol print and everything her
(32:17):
safe house, you know, or psychic safe house beautiful. Uh No,
Gene won't have it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
She won't have it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And then she carves the psychic space for herself. And
then she says this wonderful line, which is absolutely none
off your business.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, which is absolutely none of your business. Scott came
to me because he couldn't talk to you about his
feelings because the truth is, you don't know what ordinary
feelings are anymore. You're not human at all. Now, are you, Gene?
What's in there where you used to be? Ooh, a
(32:52):
little bit of power?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yes, I love her. And then, Emma, you made me
take it.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Now it's time for me to dish it out.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, and Jan quickly continues, Emma, do you honestly think
you can protect yourself against this? You think you can
do what you like, But I know what haunts your
every waking hour, Emma Frost, stop hiding from me. Something
happened in Hong Kong. Show me what happened between you
and Scott in Hong Kong, now, Emma, or I'll make
(33:21):
you relive the life of every single child you've allowed
to die. Ooh, And then what do we see on
the next day we get a huge yes, so yeah,
this is carnage.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, it's it's all of the dead Hellians and students
or people associated with Emma Frost that have died since
the beginning, and it is traumatic. And this, again is
another element of Jean Gray that I don't like, is
that she's she's wielding this when she's trying to get information.
(33:55):
I understand she's angry, but this is a bit much.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, the punishment does not fit the crime. Like, I
want to know about you and my husband's mental affairs,
so I'm going to show you the dead bodies of
a bunch of people you loved.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She could just get the information of the Psycholopsis head,
which we're going to get into in a second, but
it's just like she's like really going after Emma in
a hard way.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
There are I think it also shows that Gene is
not is not in control, Like there's no moderation button.
It's yeah, right, Like it's like when you're like anybody
you know, when you have a rage that can't be
that's out of control.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I do want to point out Easter eggs because I'm
the Easter egg king in the far left bottom corner.
You see the tarot cards. I'm assuming the dead person
there is terrorists taro. Yeah, you see the death card there,
you know. But also what I really like to see
is there's graded papers. There's several of them in they're
a's and this signifies that Emma she viewed her students
(34:55):
as perfect. That's just like her and in her memory,
in her eyes, even though like there's dead bodies there,
those graded papers say AA plus yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right over her right shoulder is a character Negasonic Teeny's warhead,
which is much different in the MCU, but this is
the character that died in her arms when Janosha was
getting destroyed and she couldn't protect the student. Even though
she was turning into diamond forms, she couldn't protect this girl.
So this girl really weighs heavy on her because she
couldn't save her.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
My students don't make me look.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Then we go into Hong Kong, which is a lovely
city by the way out of the trauma and into
the international delightful city of Hong Kong, which I've been to,
and we see Cyclops and Emma in Scott's bedroom. He
is in his boxer shorts and she's barging in on
him with a bottle of champagne in two glasses, and
he is trying to fend her off. He's saying, I'm
(35:57):
saying celibate since gen died, know that I'm not drinking anymore.
Like he's really trying to keep her away. But this
is Emma's remembrance of it. And Jeane doesn't believe what
Emma's memories are saying. She thinks that she's manipulating her memories.
And we cut back, So why.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
She go through all this rigm world to get Emma
did to say it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I know believe her anyways, I know, I know. But
then we cut to reality. We smash cut to reality.
We see Emma actually on the floor, cowering from this experience,
and that's where we that's where we really feel that. Yeah,
she she has, you know, crumbled under the weight of
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
I have to go now. You have no right to
judge me, Jean. I loved those children. I wanted them
to be independent and strong.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And crashoom cyclops, nightclops. He takes off that visor or
he opens his eyes and lass through the door and
there's five in Jean's hair. Yeah, it's okay, she's Phoenix,
she could take it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yes, you're way out of line, Jane. If you want
to know what happened between Emma and me in Hong Kong,
read my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So now we go back into the inside of Scott's
mind in that beautiful hotel room and Emma looking all sexy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, and so we see Emma definitely throwing herself at him,
but Cyclops maintaining, you know, his it's Gene or nothing vibe.
And and that's how far we get. And and you know,
he's embarrassed that it even got that far, you know,
and that's why it wasn't truly a physical affair. But then,
(37:42):
of course that happened, so it made his mind spin
into what was it what would it be like if
if it moved forward, you know, And that's kind of
where we were set, is that it didn't. It didn't happen,
but he fantasized about what if it did.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
And you can tell that Gene really is tormented around
like the fact that they were thinking about it, yeah,
is torturous to her. Yes, the fact that he was
thinking about it the whole time is tortuous.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yes, I'll give her a.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Point for that.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So anyway, this bad guy Enzabinur wound up worming his
way into my thoughts. Even when I threw him off,
I couldn't stop thinking all this awful stuff. I mean,
people like Jean and the Professor just shrug this kind
of thing off like it's some occupational hazard. It's hard
to talk to them.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And only you could use the words bad guy to
describe a murderous disembodied consciousness. Dear, So, all you're saying
is that some mind monster put a lot of dirty
thoughts in your head and you're embarrassed in case your
telepathic wife sees what you're really thinking about her.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Oh, Scott, how ordinary, Emma, I'm serious about this whole
celibacy thing. It's gene or nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Come on, why can't you just give up your place
on the Olympics suffering team and relax with some wine
an adultery.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes, And then in real life we see Scott storming
out of the room because he proved his point. And
that's when Jesus is like, they weren't thinking about it,
And I like.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
How Professor is like, but they weren't thinking about it.
They were thinking about it the whole time.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Okay, so can we like, can we take it down? One? Though?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, not only that, but the Professor has to be
like he's like getting these kind of bleeding thoughts from
the Phoenix. He's like, I'm hoping that this is only Joe, Like,
but the Phoenix has come to disinfect the planet, is
what I'm hearing out of your head right now? Like,
what is that?
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I don't need lectures, Charles the voice, Yeah, no, no, no,
we know, we know.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, we got it, we got it.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
We got that part.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
And I love how he's so mad he steals Wolverine's
bike again.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I feel like he's got Professor X is like, oh,
dear Lord, not search for cyclops again. I know, because
he's always starving off.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
This is when it gets the closest to like a
workplace sitcom where they're like, I can't love with these people.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, I know. And then I love how Wolverine went
into you know, you know Console Emma, and you know,
I'm a big fan of Wolverine. A lot of people
know this, and this is one of the reasons why
I love him, is that he knows how to talk
to people on all levels of like drama, and he's
just like, listen, don't get in between those two. I
know from experience, like like you know. And she realizes that,
(40:34):
you know, we'll get into her dialogue, but that maybe
she should not have fallen for Scott to begin with. Emma, hey,
it's me you okay, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Fine, Logan, thank you. Jean had a little rummage around
in my mind and knocked a few things over. She
can do that. She's more than just a telepath. She
sees right through us and gets to decide whether we're
innocent or guilty, like a judge and jury. I hate
this awful place and these ugly repressed people.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Come on, Darling, it's not so bad. But you should
have known better than to get between Genie and Slim.
Trust me, still, nice, try.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I know. I know he lies beside her at night
without touching her. I know she sees what he's thinking
and despises him for his weakness. I know she's so
pure and their love is so special Logan. And I'm
so shallow and spiteful and manipulative. I know because she
saw right through me, she saw the truth, and I
(41:42):
had no defense. And she knows too. Why did I
allow myself to become so stupid and vulnerable, Logan. Why
did I have to fall in love with Scott Bloody Summers.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, they've collapsed to the floor, Logan and Emma, and
he's giving her a hug and kind of consoling her. Again,
I love Wolverine.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, And we see that a shot of the mansion
and the leaves falling during daytime. But later it is
nighttime at the Xavier Institute and we have Beasts who
is singing a song and he is bringing what looks
like to be champagne and roses to Emma's room. Do
you want to be beasts?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yes? So he's singing looks like maybe Italian. I don't know,
some sort of opera. I'm sure that's great.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's the one, Emma, same wirl bet Emma, it's Henry.
Logan said, you were pretty down, so I brought that
book I was telling you about and oh my.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
He opens the door and he drops all the things
that he was holding. Because on the floor, what do
we see, Martha.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
We see a shattered Emma Frost in her diamond form.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yes, don don.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Absolutely shattered in pieces on the floor.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yes. And this is where we get the title of
the comic, they wait all the way to the last.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Page Murder in the Mansion, Yes.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
To be continued.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Wow, well that was super fun. Yeah, So tell us
what did you think of the issue? What was your
favorite part?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I mean, yeah, I love that issue. I mean I'm
a big like psychology nerd, so I'm always into back
like backstory, origin story where let me yeah, like also
her family is such like the roy family from Succession
with a little bit like King Lear thrown in, so
that part of me really loves that, like, please don't
take me back, you know, don't take me back to
(43:49):
the place of my intergenerational trauma. But then also I
really love, you know, like the visual storytelling and again
that moment where Emma is this disembodied head in the
like primal scream of pain and when you know, Gene
is like this like absolutely rageful fire phoenix. Just those
moments where like like these two women just are absolutely
(44:14):
at an eleven out of ten and the art is
so beautiful. But yeah, those moments where they're just like,
you know, I really like those moments absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Chris, what was your favorite part?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
My favorite part was in my head, it was two
drag queens battling it out, and it was even more
over the top than it was on the pages. And
this is probably one of the most epic issues between
Emma and Jean and Scott of all time.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
This could be a full like drag cabaret show.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yes, this issue, Yes, yes, I wanted universe. We're manifesting
this right now. This needs to happen. What about you,
channelor what was your favorite?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
There's a lot of favorite moments, but I think the
last page says it all. Beast shocked expression dropping a
full bottle of wine on the ground and the shattering
of her diamond form epic epic.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah all right, well, thank you very much for joining us.
This has been monumental. Like it's such an honor to
have you on the show, Like I said, Emma Frost,
like it has such a deep place in my heart.
So being able to do these lines with you is
come true.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yes, so so much fun and yeah, I just it
makes me again, as I said, like it, I really
do feel I do feel honored to be able to
play this character and to hope to do her justice
because of just how much she means to other people,
and to be allowed to like, take that on as
(45:53):
an actor is just I feel humble and honored all
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
So well, huge fingers cross us that Emma returns for
season two.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We we They wouldn't have brought her back out of
the rubble if she did not have something to say
in season two, So I'm going to just plant that
I believe she will return, though I know it's not
public knowledge yet. Same wink.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
We are, we are, We all know truly nothing, and
we are in agreement.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Martha, where can people find you online if they want
to follow your career?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Yeah? So so full disclaimer. I am not so much
on the social media. I'm just not a huge presence.
I need I need to do better at that. But
if you do want to follow me on Instagram, it
is Mary and Martha, so just my name in reverse
and that's the best place to find me.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Fantastic, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining
us on x reads.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Thank you so much, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
X Reads is recorded in the United States.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Our theme music is written by Austin Wintrey.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Please make sure to follow our podcast to be updated
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Speaker 1 (47:01):
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Speaker 2 (47:09):
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