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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Podcast Show with your host Caesar.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Is you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And welcome back to another episode of You Can Overcome
Anything Podcast Show. It is your host Caesar spin On
and today I have a special guest. He is the
CEO of try Seo, a blog writing agency that helps
online business drive high Internet organic travel through bottom of
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the funnel content. Before try Seo, you co own a
portfolio of forty blocks, manage four hundred articles monthly, and
scale a to seven figures in annual revenue with his
two partners. Today, try Seo creates high intent content that
aims to convert browsers into buyers their team managers everything
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from strategy and outlines to writing and publishing, even offering
tips and tricks to enhance user experience UX and convention.
That is my pleasure to introduce to you, Steven Awardie, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hey, Caesar, nice to meet you. Excited to be here,
thanks man.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Awesome man. Well, definitely, that's exciting to know and I'm
always interested in knowing how you know, people can scale
their business and beyond that, what drives them to do that. Yet,
before we dive into that, though, tell them a bit
more about you. Where are you original from and how
is your upbringing?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, I'm from Washington State. I'm on the west coast
of the US, born and raised here my entire life. Yeah,
I went to college up north, about fifteen minutes from
the Canadian border to Western Washington University. And yeah, while
I was up there studying finance, didn't really have a
plan except for get the degree and sell my soul
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to corporate and do what's next in life. And thankfully
that wasn't the case. A good friend of mine in
college introduced me to SEO, and at that time he
was building affiliate sites through the Amazon affiliate kind of
wild West era, and yeah, he was already making upwards
of like ten to fifteen grand a month doing this
college and I was just shell shocked. I couldn't believe
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it and just couldn't even fathom that someone was making
that much money, let alone doing it in college. And
so I quickly abandoned all ideas around getting my finance
degree and so got it. But it wasn't going to
be a corporate you know, slave for the rest of
my life, right, And long story short, Yeah, I learned
SEO under him. We went into business with his partner,
and yeah, we kind of just fast tracked it to
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forty sites, a bunch of content seven figures. And that
was many moons ago. So now I get to take
all those learnings and help clients at Trio SEO. It's
been fun.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, lend me ask these two things with that one
of the things that we are faced with, I believe nowadays,
and now that I'm not getting inking, you know, by
any means yet, I think it was important to mention
what you said. You know, you actually could have taken
the route of you know, getting your education and being
slaved to corporate America essentially, that's what it is. So
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I it's a life sentence. What what is your advice
when he comes on too? You know people that say, hey,
you know, I got to pursue an education kind of
go through through, through through through that journey of going
through them versus maybe if you have an idea or
you have something that you know you can probably do
and kind of learn the untraditional way and not going
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to traditional school and diving into that and risking it
all in that end, Like, what is your advice in
terms of it?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, it's hard. I mean I'm definitely on both sides
of the fence. I have my degree, my wife's you know,
has her doctorate, families in academia. So I mean, I'm
definitely for college. I'm not against. I disagree with the
price of colleges, at least in the US. I feel
like it's it's robbery. It has pros and cons. But
I think that you know, nowadays, we are seeing a
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shift where this kind of next generation below me is
able to be entrepreneurs without going to college. I think
the college is great for networking. I think it's great
to meet people. For example, I wouldn't have met my
friend and kicked it off and you know, kind of
had that same journey, but play Devil's advocate. I'm not
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in finance, you know, I got so I didn't study
those classes to get that degree and use that. So
it is really how you use it. But I don't
think that that college is a I think college is
a conduit, I would say at the end of the day.
So I think it really depends on the avenues you're
exploring and who you're choosing to hang out with and meet,
and also the ability to act on certain relationships and endeavors. Yeah,
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I think it's very situational. It's hard to say. I
think it really depends on how ambitious you are too,
because entrepreneurship is hard, and if you don't have that
dry phy succeed, maybe it's better to kind of go
that path of college and you know, do your nine
to five and kind of have that structure. It's it
definitely depends on the personality.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, definitely, I guess the only the only big, big
downside to that is statistically many people that do go
to college and do get a degree, they end up
not working in their field of study. Right, and that's
probably the biggest, the biggest thing of all. I know,
how long did it take you to to scale your
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business with your two partners? Like, how how long was
that journey? Because you know, you always hear this overnight success, right,
and the idea of oh man, you got a lucky
kind of thing, right, tell me more about that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, we did it overnight. It's easy, which is nothing, no, no, no,
So they so they had I got lucky. I mean,
I fully lean into my biases, you know, they they
had it all mapped out and I wrote the coattails.
But we worked hard, and I won't neglect that. My
one of my partners, the mentor, who I had going
into he had been building websites since like early twenty ten.
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It was twenty seventeen at this point, so he had
almost a decade of experience going into this. They had
two websites at that time that were already making like
fifteen twenty k each upon those websites, So I mean
we kind of used those as the cash cows to
kind of help support the business cash flow. It obviously
keep it healthy. To get post graduation to seven figures
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and forty websites. It took us about three years, and
we we obsessed over it. We did nothing but eat, sleep,
and breathe. We had a team of thirty. It was
a full round the clock thing. I mean I was
even as waken up at three am to work before class,
and then I'd go to class and I'd work all
through class on my websites, and then I'd come home.
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I'd work until my wife told me not to work
at like six or seven o'clock. So, I mean it
was everything I could do and to not get a
real job quote unquote after graduation, right, and that's what
way to do?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, did you ever imagine you know, obviously you graduated,
you had your degree, like I guess, besides, what was
I guess the leading factor? I means you met these
two partners. I said, what was that that drive or
the moment of deciding, you know what, I can either
go and tried to get you know, in nine to
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five in my field of study, right in what I graduated,
or I'm going to take the sleep of faith. I
mean you obviously there was a deciding factor. What was
the deciding factor for you that drove you to take
the decision?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Was it was instantaneous, as soon as I as soon
as he showed me his Amazon account, like his actual like,
because I mean, he is a he's a good friend
of mine, still is today, Like I see him every
week and we golf, and he's married to my childhood
best friend and so we through circles. But I just
never knew that he had this kind of secret business
on the side and he was successful. So I kind
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of like one I was able to kind of see
that it was within reach. It's not like you see
a YouTube guru and he's on the you know, million
dollar life stelling You're like, that's so out of reach.
I'm never going to be able to achieve that. It
was like, no, this is a guy that I know,
he went to a high school five minutes away from me,
Like it's not like he's a you know, shining star
of rocket science. And then the other side of it
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was that there was a legit process that wasn't complex
like I had to do calculus every single day. It
was like write articles, upload to website, wait for traffic.
It was a very easy to try to be patient.
And so as soon as I saw how much money
he was making, I was like, yeah, there's no way
that I'm going to continue on like getting my three
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percent race per year and playing the corporate ladder like
he's making more than these guys in college, a little
one having to do it on the side. So yeah,
I just immediately bought it in. It became a sponge.
It just anything I could learn as quickly as possible,
and I scrapt it was. It was kind of a
do or dimontality, Like I just didn't give myself a
second option. I was like, Okay, I'll graduate and get
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the degree, but like it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah. You know, that's interesting how the human mind works
and when you actually apply yourself to certain things. And
in your case, you know, when you think of that
right there, the fact that it was instantaneous and you
just looked at that, is that saying that that a
mentor of mine mention and said reality is created by validation, right,
And so once you found that validation through somebody that
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you actually know, then your reality became instantaneous. And you're like,
you know what you said, I'm going to become a
spice ponge and I'm going to go with that, right,
And so I think that that's that's huge when we
look at that from from that perspective in terms of
the blocks and the things that you were writing. What
kind of blocks were you doing? Like what was the content?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, so I mean content ranged. I always like to
joke I'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
I can pretty much talk about any any niche that
you have in mind. I have some Kua research that
I've done. But yeah, we would buy, own or build
micro niche sites. So like, for example, we would own
like a barbecue or Smeeat smoker website and it would
be every article you can imagine a bround smoking meat,
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cooking meat, prepping meat, blah blah blah blah blah. And
then we would write these round up articles, if be
like the top ten best smokers under two hundred dollars,
and we would link those to Amazon and then wait
for the organic traffic to come. The beauty of it
is that or organically, as you get more traffic, you
send into poor traffic to Amazon. But with Amazon's cookie,
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regardless of whether you make a sale on that product,
that you were promoting anything that the user buyas within
twenty four hours. So it could be toilet paper it
could be a sweatshirt. You get a commission on anything
in twenty four hours. So you can imagine that. It's
the numbers game. It's a volume game, and it's extremely
lucrative at least it what's back in the day to
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where if you had gobs of traffic, you know you
can you can do the math.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, so that's interesting. So then you you're building website,
you create blogs, and then that direct redrict that to
Amazon and I just get paid on that. Did you accept?
Would you at one point exit out of that website
and sell the website with those blogs or you know
too awesome? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, so each of those, each of the So
the kind of the name of the game back in
the day was the the cash flow of the website,
which could be anywhere from like a thousand to you
like at our peak we had like a fifty thousand
dollars per month website. So I mean that's like that's
like a unicorn. I mean average is like five K
if you're doing pretty good. And then like real estate,
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you can or any other business, you can sell it
for lump sum, which would be anywhere from thirty to
forty five K. The mrr of that. So you know,
if your average is five k per month, you could
sell it for one hundred and fifty two hundred grand
and then kind of like play this flipping process on
top of that. So yeah, it got to the point
where we were sending like mass hold emails across just
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like kind of like those postcards where it's like ever
considered selling your house. We would do that for websites
that were kind of like stagnant or people who just
had like a blog from the nineties and hadn't touched
it and didn't know about it, and we would send
them an email and be like, hey, you want to
sell your website for two grand? And they're like sure,
like I haven't touched this thing in ten years. And
to us that was like a gold mine because we
already knew how to build it, how to scale it,
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how to flip it, and it would just be this
like kickoff point for us. So it was pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Wow. Nice, So talk about Trio sco. What are you
guys doing now? Like said the same concept or how
does that? What do you guys do now?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, so it was a pretty kind of serendipitous fit.
I'll kind of talk about like the where we started
kind of where we're going. But yeah, so I met
my two partners, Connor Gillivan and Nathan Hirsch just randomly
through LinkedIn networking. And this is after I left my
first company. I was looking for something new to know
what I wanted to do, and just started like posting
content on LinkedIn. It just kind of felt like the
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right move, and through networking, kind of hit it off
with those guys, and yeah, I realized that there was
an opportunity there, and we decided to explore the idea
of creating an SEO agency. They're pretty pretty deep in
the SEO game too, so it made a good fit.
But yeah, the model was exactly the same from back
in the day. And it's kind of like why we
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were able to kind of kick start our success at
Trio with such a good system for our clients was
because I'd already helped to build it previously with my
other partners, And so, yeah, similar to what we do now,
it's you know, writing high quality content for traffic that
is intended to lead to conversions, not just like meaningless
organic top of funnel traffic, and then you just create
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blogs and other landing pages and whatnot and just drive
a ton of like high relevant traffic. So same exact process,
but instead of linking to Amazon, now we're linking to
people's lead magnets and their CTAs and all that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So yeah, and is it an I'm assuming any industry,
whether there's coaching, real estate, or really anything, or there's
specific interest in niche that you focus on.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, we try to steer away from local SEO. That's
a whole different can of worms, but we do offer
a lot of support in service areas B to B
SaaS software. Yeah, it more depends on the niche and
making sure that there's an opportunity and to get fit
between a the content that's available and b if that
content is within reach for the client. Because every website
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has like a different authority or domain rating, and that
is kind of like your basis for how competitive the
space is and if you have a chance to compete.
So we take a look at all that stuff and
kind of say like if it's a good fit or not.
And you know, we're pretty upfront up with clients making
sure that it's like hey, like it's just not gonna
be a good fit because like you need to go
work on links for the next six months before you
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even think about content.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So right, Yeah, so somebody that comes to you, they
already have to have a lead magnet or funnel already
built and created or you guess help them move that
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, not a must. Definitely helps a lot, just because
you know, we can kind of hit the ground running
and inject that into our content. But that's definitely part
of our processes. Like we can come and say like, hey,
we think there's an opportunity to go after this keyword
usually like a PDF or a checklist sort of thing,
and then try to create content that is generated around
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that kind of intent. So but yeah, it's definitely it
varies clients and client.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Where got you got you? And in terms of that,
you know, like let's you know, I want to work
with you or you know, somebody that's listening to to
this podcast, you know, we want to work with you guys, right,
how like what is their their requirements or or even
do you do it on a monthly basis, orderly basis,
yearly basis? How does how does that work? Like if
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I wanted to work with you for me to get
a better understanding and be able to walk away and say, Okay,
I'll get back to you with an answer. How does
that conversation work.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, So we always start with the discovery audit, and
that's kind of like us vetting and doing our due
diligence make sure it's a good fit, and that's pretty routine.
We run through kind of like an oil change of stuff,
making sure that like content opportunities, what's some low hanging
through for your side, just general stuff, if everything was
good from there, what we do is we try to
only work with people who have like a long term mindset,
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so at least six to twelve months. We don't lock
people in the contracts. It's just more or less mentally like, yes,
I know SEO is along term play, and yes, I'm
invested in this long term. And then in order to
kind of like ease that mental barrier, we work in
ninety day sprints and we work together on strategy making
sure that our content roadmap is really dialed in over
a three month period, and then we meet every quarter
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to go over strategy, go over quarterly analytics. And aside
from that, it's pretty hands off at least from their part.
We you know, we send that weekly emails talking about
growth and content production and all that sort of stuff.
But it's just more or less like an out of site,
out of mind thing for their end so that they
can focus on the business and we can kind of
focus on their SEO.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Got it? What is your the average the average I
guess return on investment right for me to get some
some qualifying leads that I can probably convert to a customer.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, I wish I could answer that clearly, but it's
one of those things where every every answer varies because
it's a It really depends on how well the client
can leverage our traffic. So we're not a conversion rate
optimization agency, we're not a email market an agency. We're
not to insert the blank here. We're really really good
at bringing leads through traffic. And what that means is that,
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like we can bring you all the best traffic in
the world, but if your team is not going to
levers that traffic, then it really depends on that. But
I mean, for example, like we have a couple of
case studies coming out that you know, we've generated upwards
of like fifty leads per month, And when I mean leads,
it could be each client has a different lead metric,
So it could be news letter sign ups as a lead,
it could be lead magnet downloads are leads. So those
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clients who are most successful from our work are the
people who can take the traffic and put it into
like a nurture sequence and then work with the traffic
for six eight weeks from there, and then you'll just
see kind of a scaling effect of people who convert
from organic traffic into paying customers.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Got it, Got it? That's awesome. So what's what's next
for you guys? Like, what is the next six to
twelve months for you guys?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
We're just going to get really good at kind of
rinse and repeat the same process. I mean, we have
it really dialed in. We're really good at staying on
focus and not you know, biding out more than we
can chew or shining optic syndrome and trying to tackle
on extra revenue streams, all that sort of stuff. So
we firmly believe that systems are the way of scale,
and if you can do that and get it right,
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then everything else kind of takes care of itself. So yeah,
we're just gonna we just went through another growth phase.
We sold out September October, we added like I want
to say, upwards of like almost ten new clients. So
now we're kind of in this process of refining, letting
the dust settle, kind of finding our footing, and then
Q one is kind of we're going to playing the
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scale again. So it'll be a good kind of way
to kind of incrementally go up and just make sure
the clients are prioritized and make sure that we're not
putting ourselves first, because I think that it's easy to
scale and forget the clients and processes crumble, and you know,
we don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So yeah, yeah, definitely. And I'm assuming that the true
seos all over the world or you're specifically in the US.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Or yeah, so just me and my partners and I
are in the US, so I live in Seattle and
there in Denver, and then yeah, we have team all
over the world. We have about almost ten full time
employees and about fifteen writers. I think right now everything
is one hundred percent human written and edited no AI,
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So it's it's been fun to kind of grow the team.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Or last year, Yeah, you know, that's interesting talking about
AI and you know where we're going with all of
the technology. Do you see that being part of your business,
you know, to help with those blogs and or creating content.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It is as a tool, it's not a replacement. We
use AI in our tech stack. There's don't to dine
in how helpful that is. But when it comes to
AI really shouldn't be a replacement for content. I mean
it's so clear when people use AI, whether it's social
media or blogs, it's like no one talks in the
digital AI each of marketing revolution. It's like, come on,
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like that's written by a pod and we don't want
to jeopardize our clients se O At the end of
the day, especially with how long SEO takes to work,
cutting corners to save a couple of weeks isn't worth
it when you look over a two to three five
year plus timeline.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right, Well, definitely. So if people, you know, somebody wants
to connect with you, learn more about what you guys do,
or maybe see if they can actually utilize you. How
do they know a contact?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, you can just google Trio s e O, t
r Io se O or Trio s O. Stephen. I
always show that we're an SEO agency. So if we
don't show up, we're doing something wrong. I'm pretty active
on LinkedIn though too. I post daily and so do
our partners. So find the same way you can just
google us or find us on LinkedIn. Always reach out.
I'm always happy to talk se o or help you out.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, I love that. So there's one thing that that
you mentioned here that I really enjoy and I want
you to elaborate a little bit more. You know, as
people are trying to level up or do something in
their life, and hence why I credit this podcast is
always good to understand you know, how you got into
the place that you're in, right, And so I love
what you mentioned. You said, conflict leads to change, push
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through those downtimes and think long term. So tell me
more about that, you know. The big meaning of that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, conflict leads to change is something that partner Connor
kind of sprinkled onto my my thought process when we
started working together. Because I anybody who's an entrepreneur or
just living through life, I mean there's ups and downs,
but how you deal with that is what changes the
next step of that process. And I think that it's easy,
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especially in entrepreneurship, to say, oh, this isn't working, I'm
going to give up, or this didn't go as planned,
so I might as well just pivot and restart when really,
you know, anybody who gets in the business and same
thing with SEO isn't thinking in days and weeks like
you should hopefully be thinking in months and years. And
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if you do, zoom out over kind of a long
and timeline and be like, am I still on track
to meet my goal in the next year, over the
next five years, the answer is probably still yes. One
bad date is not, you know, derail you. It's kind
of like dieting or exercise like have the cupcake. It's
not going to make you gain twenty pounds overnight, like
get back on track, you know, so kind of the
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same thing. It's just making sure that you're being realistic
and not kind of like, you know, getting shook every
time that you get off course. It's just like, yeah,
stuff happens, just fix it, move on, learn from it,
and that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, And I think that's the big one too, though,
that you actually learn from that in that stay down
right and just realize that, because then at the end
of the day then you're going to lose that. Let
me ask you this, do you have any daily habits,
anything that you do on a day to day basis
kind of keep you up and running, either in your
business or personal life.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah. So I split my day up where I work
the first four hours of the day or just super
hyper focused. A lot of my meetings dre in the
morning too, just based on time zones. And then I
split up my day and take a two hour block
where I take lunch and I go to the gym
and I kind of like cool off, and then I
come back and I worked the last four hours. And
that's usually like project stuff or anything that's more like
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me time where I have to like get something done
for a client. But yeah, having that break in between.
I used to work non stop back in college when
during the first company it was like fifteen sixteen hour
days just straight through, and it's just de burnout. So
I've learned to adjust. And yeah, you got gotta feed
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the brain some healthy activities every now and then to
keep it sustainable.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, I like that. I think that's crucial to be
able to have kind of like you know, whether it's
a day routine or more so a discipline and structured date, right.
I mean, I think it's more than than just a
daily routine, because you can have a late see daily routine, right.
It's more of being structured properly and being able to
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have a discipline day that is going to give you
the most out out of that day. Right. As they say,
we will have the same amount of time as how
we use it, and so that that's huge. My last
question for you is for the people that are watching
us and or listening to us, if they're going through
any challenge, whatever challenge that might be, what is one
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or a few things you can say to them to
start overcoming that challenge.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The first thing that comes to mind is to write
it down. I think that that's always helped me. I
think that when we toss around ideas and thoughts in
our head, it's very easy to blow them out of proportion,
or to let one overtake the other, or to get
really hung up on one that maybe isn't really moving
the needle for the process. I always like to break
things down right, to do lists and kind of visualize
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the sequence of events, and that just helps me kind
of like one get out of my head so that
it's not just like something I'm chewing on all day,
and two kind of reallocate importance of it and make
sure that I'm actually doing the best thing possible first
in order to make a big dent in that process.
And I think that aside from that, should just be
realistic with like the timeline of it. So going back
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to like the other thing I was saying, you know,
if this you have this massive challenge you're trying to overtake,
is it a daily thing, is it a weekly thing,
or like should it actually be taken in thirty to
sixty days. It's like, once you kind of give yourself
that appropriate time to think in that set of intervals,
I think it kind of changes your expectations of how
you go about it. So it's always helpful for me.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I love that. I love that, man, Stephen. I really
appreciate the time and everything you have to share here
or anything else you want to say before I let
you go.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, I don't think so. I mean this has been
really fun. If anybody has any questions about entrepreneurship or
life for SEO, I'm always down to talk. I love networking.
Don't be hesitant to reach out. And yeah, I hope
everyone listening has a good day.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Awesome. Well, I definitely enjoy that and enjoy the conversation,
so thank you for that and for the reps. So
you guys do me please make sure that you shared
this message because definitely somebodyho insecured and I'll definitely see
you guys at the next show of this podcast. Again.
Thank you, Stephen, and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Caesar.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Hi, I'm Caesar Espino, real estate investor, business coach and
consultant and author of the book You Can Overcome Anything
even when the World says No. My number is four
two four five zero one six zero four to six.
In my book, I talk about making the necessary changes
to shift your mind for prosperity and certainty. Pick up
your copy at Amazon. I also love helping families with
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all cash. Follow me on Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn. My
number is four two four five zero one six zero
four six.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Thank you for having me today. I am so glad
you've tuned into this podcast. You can find me at
your favorite podcast platform where you can like, subscribe, comment,
and share until more about myself my services. You can
find me at www dot Caesararspino dot com or you
can also find me at your social media. Thanks for
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joining me and I am looking forward to having you
at the next episode. And no, you truly can overcome anything.