You Can Overcome Anything: Ep 308 - Overcoming Life Challenges & Discovering Forgiveness – Hanna Kok - You Can Overcome Anything! Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you looking for more out of your life? Do
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are sharing their challenges, their stories, their habits and the
mind shifts they had to overcome to become who they
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I present to you our great speakers at you Can

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Overcome Anything Podcast Show with your host Caesar.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Is you know.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Elder and welcome back to another episode of You Can
over Coming in podcast show. It is their host Caesar
Espino and today I have a special guest. She is
originally from the Netherlands moved to a rural village in
less until in nineteen eighty four. This is when her
personal development journey began. By nineteen ninety four she had

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qualified as an education kinesiologist and it later expanded into
allergy work and medical intuition. She guides people to improve
self esteem, health and relationships, using forgiveness as a key
for lasting change. After the death of her first husband
in nineteen ninety six, she decided to stop making a

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living and started making a live by turning her coaching
side hustle into her main profession. She also developed a revolutionary,
thrived web app. It is my pleasure to introduce to you, Hannah.
How are you, Hannah.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm very well, Caesar, thank you so much for this opportunity.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Really, yeah, definitely, So why don't you tell me a
little bit more about that? I think you know. Tell
me about your upbringing and how all of that was
for you.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, I am number five out of six children. I
grew up in the Netherlands, and you know, when you're
one of six, it's difficult to be noticed, and you
always have all their siblings telling you what to do.
And at some stage I thought, you know what, it's
time for an adventure. And then I went to a
little country called Lusutu, and that is a little mountain

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kingdom inside South Africa. If you look at the map
on South Africa, there's always like a little pimple in there,
and it's a mountain kingdom where I then went. But
growing up my upbringing was all right, but we all
have traumatic events. I had my own of being hospitalized
as a young baby, and that has a huge impact.

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But later I use my mess as a message. I
discovered how I can assist others because I've experienced the
impact of that type of you know, that separation so
so young.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, you know that's that's a very interesting thing. You know.
There's somebody said something about sometimes from pain, a purpose
is born, right, and and you're going through you went
through something and you kind of said, hey, you know,
maybe I can turn this around. As you said, you
decided to start living your life too at one point
and said, hey, you know, let me make a shifter.

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Tell me a little bit about that, because I believe
that's a huge message overall. When you're taking something where
you're like, you know, I myself did this too a
while back, where I was going through NLP certified and
I wanted to do that too, can I help myself?
And then I realized, hey, this is doing something for me. However,
I can kind of turn around and I'll do this

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for other people. Right, So you took all of that
stuff and said to say, hey, you know what, let
me make a profession out of coaching and helping other people.
So tell me about more about it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, as I mentioned, as you wrote read in the bio,
I lost my first husband and it was not a
natural cause, let's put it like that. So I had
to apply forgiveness, a lot of forgiveness the people that
were involved. But I also had to forgive myself because

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everything that happens to us, we play a role in
it just by being there. We play a role, and
we need to forgive ourselves for our role in the
difficult situation that we created. And I was very fortunate
that before this tragedy happened that resulted in his death,

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that I already had learned a lot about forgiveness. I
was studying spiritual development, and the teacher had said, it's
really important to we forgive for ourselves, not for the
other people. Forgiveness is not about condoning what people have done.
It's all about releasing and moving on. And because I

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knew that I could forgive what happened, I could see
the people around me that struggled with it, how sick
they became. And then I also now realize, as I'm coaching,
how often forgiveness comes up, and I can say, well,
if I can forgive this, what's stopping you from forgiving
what you're dealing with? And you're doing it for you

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and not for the other people?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right, And and talking about forgiveness, I mean, that's that's
a huge word by itself, and more than just the
word is the action. In your case, your husband was
murder right, and so that's a huge thing to kind
of overcome and really forgive someone that would do, even
at that extreme, that type of act right or action

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towards another human being. So people will say, why hand,
why would you even think about forgiving somebody that murdered
your husband? Right? And so with that tell me a
lot about because you obviously we're going through a lot
of ups and downs, right, and I'm sure you see
your clients too. Where As you said, it keeps coming up, Right,
how do you help somebody break through and understand that

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that is the way out, you know, forgiving somebody even
to an extreme where hey, maybe you lost a family
member to a murderer or something. Right.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, Well, there were so many coincidences around that whole incident.
First of all, before it happened, I witnessed a woman
who she was a friend of the family, and she
had lost a daughter, and three years later she was

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still depressed, asking why why did that happen? Because in
this case, the daughter got a viral infection and by
Saturday she had the infection and forty eight hours later
she was dead. So this mother three years later, still stuck.
So I thought, oh that I mustn't have that happen

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to me. And I realized when we start asking the
question why, we will never get a satisfactory answer. Yeah,
she died because she had a viral infecting. Yeah, but
why why did I have to lose it? Why wasn't
my daughter? We don't know. We have to move on,
so I learned already before it happened. The questions to

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ask is how can I move forward? What can I
learn from it? There was another thing that that happened
was really miraculous. A week after he passed, a book
arrived in the post. Now, I want to give you
an idea year of how remote I the place was.

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Where I lived. We did not have a telephone, We
did not have running water unless we organized it ourselves.
Electricity came either from solar panels or from a generator.
We did not have sewage, we did not have refuge
pick up that. And then our so called car park

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because we ran a trading station and the people that
came to our shop came on horses and donkeys. So
our car park was filled with horses and donkeys and
an occasional car. That's how remote it was. So for
things to arrive in the postbox, they don't arrive your house.

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You have to go to the post office. Picked it up.
And this book arrived a week after he died. On
Death and Dying, And this was a friend of mine
that oritten it and she posted it like two three
weeks before, so she posted while he was still And
in the book she wrote that on a soul level,

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you make a decision to die three days before your
actual death. And I'm sure you've heard many stories of
how people somehow knew they were going and they got
their house in order and they set their goodbyes. It
was and not that they had an illness or anything,
they just somehow knew. My husband had written in his

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diary three days before he died, I'm so stuck. It's
time to move on. Wow. So if he decided to
die three days before he was murdered and I'm doing
it like that. Maybe it was part of his journey,
it was his choice. I know some of the listeners

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will go like, Okay, now you're really cuckoo. It's okay,
you don't have to take what I'm saying. But it
helped me to not be angry with the people because
they knew who did it. Nobody was ever arrested, so
I had to find a way to make peace with it.
I had a young son. My son was sixteen months

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old when it happened, and I knew that if I
would get caught in a grudge and bitterness, my son
would have lost both parents that night. I had to
choose for me and my son, and whatever I did
to move forward, that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, you know what Wan too. Things that come to
mind that as you're sharing that. Number one is you
have to ask the right questions right instead of asking why,
as you said, ask the right questions how or what
can I do? Or it's time to move on? Right,
So being able to be conscious enough to ask the

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right question and so that you seek better answers right.
And then the second thing is you have to uh
more or less with yourself. You have to be content
and you have to to find peace within you right
to say, okay, you know again what took place, whatever
that might be, is not the best of the greatest.

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As you said, I have to do this for myself,
you know, if I have kids, if I have whatever right,
I got to do that to be able to move forward.
And and and again, I know that that's sometimes very
challenging for people to be able to do because they
get so hung up on and that whatever that might
be right. And I know that in some cases, you know,

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again it could probably be forgiven somebody that that that
that kidnapped you or raped you or or whatever. Different
cases have you come across where people, unfortunately before they
find you, have gotten themselves into a mess where maybe
they turn into drugs addictions as a result of not

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being able to get out of their own head.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
That definitely has happened. And also what happens is people
get ill, and that is something totally overlooked. We totally
underestimate the health price we pay when we don't forgive.
And absolutely when people are addicted, then there is an

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unresolved trauma and they can only get out of that
addiction and without relapsing, if they resolve that trauma, if
they make peace with it. And there forgiveness plays a
huge role. Again. They have to forgive whatever happened. They
have to forgive themselves for their role in it in

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order to move forward. And I explain to people, I mean,
if you look at illnesses like cancer, illness is like cancer.
It is about what is eating you. What grudge are
you holding that you allow to eat away at your
life force, And the antidote is finding a way to

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make peace with it. And and forgiveness is not about like,
oh well I'm so good and what you've done is
so bad. Let me be the right person and forgive.
It's not about that. It's about accepting what happened and
finding a way to move forward and then focusing on

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the growth. Every difficult situation there is an opportunity for growth.
And in my situation, we were running a trading station.
We had been talking about how can we make a living,
how can we stop making a living and start making
a life. And when he died, I said, now is

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the time to make a life and do that in
honor of his death. Yeah, And when I have to
speak to people who have been raped or other things happened.
You can use that as a turning point, a growth point,
as we spoke about earlier. You can make that mess

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into a message. It can become your life purpose. And
if you're willing to look at like that, forgiveness becomes
a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah. I like what you said here, and this is
a very good message that hold on to forgiveness toward
other people poisons our bodies and our lives. We forgive
for our own sake and it makes us overcoming an
obstacle so much easier, and so can you. You've kind

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of touched on that, elaborate on that message more because
I believe that that's huge. It's a powerful message. And
again it's just as you said, forgiven is a word,
but it's beyond that. As you said, it's really for
your own sake and also making sure that you don't
get ailed and you know yet peace with yourself.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Right absolutely, Because there is a science behind the power
of forgiveness. You can actually explain it if we look
at the amount of energy that we have, say, to
just make it easier for me to explain, you have
ten units of energy every day and you'll use about

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four of those units for running your life, for going
to work, for play time, family time, hobbies for units.
Six units are needed approximately for running the body, for
the digestive system, for the immune system, for the repair,

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restore and rejuvenate system, the whole keeping this body together
takes up a lot of energy. Now, I'm sure you've
noticed when you're upset with something about something with somebody,
it knows in your heads, it goes round and round,

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and so a lot of your physical and mental energy
is now taken up by this traumatic, difficult event that
you're dealing with. What happens is your body goes into
stress mode. Now it puts stress hormones on top of it.

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The brain can now not function anymore properly because your
higher wisdom is out the window your left brain, depending
if your left or right brain, one of those lobe
switches off. So basically you've got like a quarter of
a brain left, and you have to deal with life.
So those four units that you have for your life

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will all be around work because it takes so much
more effort because you only got like quarter of a
brain left to simplify it, and so it's only work,
it's work, work, work, no play, no family time. And
then on top of it, you've got now the stress

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hormones running through the body, and instead of having six
units for repair, restore, rejuvenate, and running the body, you
maybe have only three units left because the other three
are just dealing with the stress and letting these things
mulling your head. What happens. You can look at a

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bit as like a building. If you've got to build
a building, if you have all the building material there
to do the restoration, if you don't have the workers there,
you're going to fall behind and eventually that building is
going to fall apart. And that is what happens in

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our body as well. We don't have the energy. And
then we can take people think I must take my supplements,
I must eat right, Let's keep making sure you have
the right building blocks. But if you don't have the
builders there or you don't have the energy, you're going
to have a mess.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, what are some of the things that or walking
me through? If somebody comes to you and say, hey,
I need help, you know, obviously there's people or things
that I have to forgive and is really drain me down.
And I know every person is different. Do you have
any suggestions as how somebody can start stepping away from

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from that pain, from that and start forgiving. Are there
certain things that people can start doing, Like the listeners
that are listening to us right now, if they're facing something,
what can they start doing?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, there's a few things we can do. First of all,
if we're angry, it's important that we admit we angry.
We don't have to be positive and pretend everything is fine.
You know what fine stands for, right up, insecure, neurotic,

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and emotional. So we pretending everything is okay, everything is fine,
but in the meantime, we are angry, and that anger
is now going inside attacking us, causing havoc in the body.
So one of the things that I do when I'm
upset about anything, there's two points on our forehead. Now,

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in your case it is the middle of the fore No,
not the middle of the forehead, the middle of the eyes.
There's like that rich you know, when you frown, you've
got those frowning lines because for women it's halfway between
the eyebrows and the hairline. But in your case, we'll
do the frowning lines. It's also the same. And you

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hold these points and these are eco pressure points. They
are called the emotional stress release points. And I don't
know if you can think of a situation that is
upsetting for you. You do not have to share with me
what it is, but maybe you can share the emotion
you're feeling. Is it anger or is it frustrations frustration?

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So you hold those points, you just hold them gently,
you don't even have to massage them, and you just
say to yourself, you know what, it's okay that I'm frustrated.
I give myself permission to feel my frustration for now,
and you just breathe, and you allow yourself to feel
the frustration. You don't go into the story of what's

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making you frustrated. You just feel the feeling. And then
you can even say, I forgive myself feeling so frustrated.
I can forgive myself feeling so powerless that I consolve it.
It's okay, I forgive myself for not having it all together.

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What happens to your frustration.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
It disappears as yours, like not instant there.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right exactly, And then you can even go with a
step further from there, and you say, how do you
want to feel? How do you want to feel instead
of frustrated, How would you like to feel instead.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Of frustration, relieve? Happy?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
You want to feel happy, You want to feel relieved.
So just connect with that happy feeling and you just say, okay,
you know what, I'm happy just because I'm deciding to
be happy. I'm happy just because and feel that happiness.

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And you can sit a bit longer like that until
you really feel happy, be just because okay, and then
when you're ready, you can let go of that wow.
And doing that, there's a whole lot of things that
happen in the body. You've reduced to stress levels, the
stress hormones can switch off, you relaxed, You've stimulated the

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prefrontal cortex. Now you can get the whole brain working again.
Now you have your wisdom back, you can put things
into perspective. You say, okay, you know what, it's okay
or it's all right that I'm frustrated because whatever reason,
you can see it much better. You can see solutions.
You can now ask yourself, how can I move forward

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from here? What can I learn from this? Look for
the gold in It becomes easier to forgive.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I like that. That exercise and a lot of
people undermine or under estimate, estimate the power power of
something as simple as that. And even some still people
like sometimes even when you get up, it's nice for
you to talk to yourself in the mirror, right and
tell yourself good things about yourself or what you're looking

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forward to accomplish the day to day. Except that's the challenge.
That's the challenge. People are so afraid to speak to themselves,
like in this case here or this exercise, you're also
you know, having that conversation with yourself, right, And I
think people have that challenge. One they believe, hey am
I crazy? Am I going crazy by talent to myself?

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And then number two, I think that people do not
believe that something like that can actually help them. What
do you tell people that might have one or the
other or like, hey, why am I talking to myself?
Or I don't think it's going to work.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, if they don't want to talk to themselves, they
can do it just silently. You don't have to talk
to yourself outline loud. You can think the thoughts out loud.
I mean, that's right. I was going to say, well,
you only have to worry when you start answering yourself.
When you talk to yourself, you know, do it in
a way that works for you. You do not have to
talk out loud, but sit with the feeling. Now, one

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of the reasons why a lot of people don't want
to talk in the mirror is because they told to
tell themselves how beautiful they are or how great they are.
But then we have this backchat going like yep, who
are you kidding? You're beautiful or you great? Bullshit right,
and then we just feel worse. So instead of telling

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ourselves we great, there's I came across something really wonderful.
They called love affirmations, and it goes like this, they say,
you say, then, I love feeling good about myself. I
love feeling great. I love feeling wealthy or healthy or
But just by putting the words I love in front

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of it, I'm not lying anymore because it's true. I
love feeling healthy, even if I'm sick as a dog
right now. I love feeling healthy.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But first start with releasing that negative or that feeling
that makes you feel bad, that makes you that draining feeling.
Let that diffuse, because if we don't diffuse it, it
will keep popping up, keep popping up, and then before

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we know it, we lash out at other people, and
then that hurt spreads worse like wildfire, and it's more
toxic than any viral epidemic. That's how dangerous that hurt is.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, for sure. Tell me how how do your programs
work or how when people find you? How is it
a specific type of coaching program that you do with
your clients? Is a person specific or reserve? Essentially?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Now it's a person specific We can just sign up
for three months, you know, you do a bit of
coaching depending on where they are at. If they come
with health problems, we deal with health problems. Are they're
dealing with relationship problems, we deal with that. I do
specialize also in hormonal imbalances because hormonal imbalances, our whole

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hormonal system is the first thing that goes out of
balance when we hold grudges, and forgiveness puts the hormones
back into balance. So that's one of the subjects. But
I coach. If people want any other subjects they need
help with, and they know they're struggling with forgiveness and
finding closure with something, then we do the coaching and

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three months is often enough. I also have an eye
Thrive app where people can they're these audio programs super
affordable and they can just listen to them. No, they
don't even have to listen to them. You can just
play them softly in the background, and it releases a
lot of your anger and frustration and your bitterness and

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your sense of betrayal, and it puts other beliefs in
there to replace it. So those are the things that
I offer, and I've got a great gift for your
your audience. Yes, I'm sure they would like that. It's
a meditation that gold release and relax, and it's all

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about releasing the tension, releasing the guilt from the body,
because guilt and resentment those are very poisonous emotions. And
they can just put it on as a gentle pick
me upper and they can go to my name Hannah
ko Hannah. You can play spell with the age or

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without the age at the end, but the surname is
Kokay Hannahcock dot com and you'll find that meditation there.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Got is that how people can connect with you and
find out more about with your services through your website.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, this website will take them to my just to
that gift, there are other websites, but as soon as
they're on there, they'll get my email address. Then from
there they have all my details basically awesome.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So that's the best way for people to connect with
you and find out more about what do you have
going on?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, just to sign up for the free gift and
then they will get more information from there what I
have to offer.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Awesome, So tell me a bit more about besides you know,
doing that and helping people, what else do you do.
I know that you marry, you have three grown boys,
and you're now your grandmother too, which is so tell
me about that life.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, you know, the one thing about South Africa. The
sad part about South Africa is that your children move
away because there's not enough work for them here. So
I am from the Netherlands originally. So one of the
children has gone back to the Netherlands, so I've got

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a good excuse to go and visit because all my
family is there, so I can go and visit them
there and of course enjoy the little grandson. The other
boys are also working overseas, so you don't see them
as much as people do. But then you learn to
make a life for yourself anyway, you've got to live
your own life. You can't live it through your children.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So, but I remarried twenty five years ago, and so
I inherited two step children. I was very fortunate. I
got three men for the price of wine. Yeah, and
that was not always easy, and I really had to

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do a lot of forgiveness work and apply my own
methods to manage that. Fortunately, we were both widowed, so
we did not have access floating around that can now
cause all sorts of problems. And then I did have
that the children accepted me. I got them as five

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and ten years old, and we had that journey together. Really,
as I said, I have had to apply what I
was preaching, failed many times, had to forgive myself many times,
and still there are times that I have to forgive myself.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, that's huge. Yeah, No, and and you're right. I
mean I think it just like anything right like that.
You always tell people when you're you're never stop growing.
The men that you stop growing is when you start
you stop doing right. It's the same thing with a think.
With forgiveness, you may show up in multiple different times
and intervals and faces. Except thinking. You got to go

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back to practicing what you're doing, and and and definitely
forgiving yourself for whatever's happening to you.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah. And and the thing is, maybe you run out
of people to forgive in your direct environment. You've got
a great life. But then start looking at politicians and
you know, so like in our country, for example, Uh,

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there's amazing how many people are in government with a
criminal record. Wow, just right? Yeah, and even the prime
minister or what is it the president? Yeah, Okay, I
don't even want to say what he's accused of. And
now I need to find a way to forgive them.

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And then going like, how can I forgive that? It's
unforgivable to rob the people to enrich yourself.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But then there's another technique that I use is say, okay,
the mirror time, I look at them and see what
do I see in them? Okay, I'm looking at them,
at those corrupt officials, and I see they're over focused
on money, they are not focused on the greater good
for the country. And now I've got to And then

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I think, pretend I'm going to give them advice, because
they're not going to. They don't know me, they're never
going to listen to me. So then my advice to
them is start shifting your attention away from money and
focus on being happy and bringing happiness to the people
around you. And then I look at how can I
apply my own advice. Then I realized I was also

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too much focused on money and not enough focused on
my own happiness and the happiness of the people around me.
Then I can say thank you so much, corrupt officials,
even though I don't approve of what you're doing, I've

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I want to thank you for giving me that awareness
about myself, and I forgive you for being my perfect mirror.
I don't condone it, but I forgive you for being
my mirror. And then I have to forgive myself for
needing them in my life to show me where I
need to change. So those horrible corrupt officials have given

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me a tremendous gift. And since then I can say
to myself, I am happy just because I'm now choosing
to be happy even if not everything is perfect, because
we tend to outsource our happiness, making it depend on
if I just get that job or that car or

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this promotion or whatever it is. And see, you know what,
I'm happy just because I'm choosing to be happy.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of an African proverb that says,
when there's no enemy within, there's no enemy outside that
can do you no harm. And because it comes back
again to the idea of how are you internally right?
Health with thoughts, how are you? And then everything else

(34:30):
is really secondary, right, because it really comes down to you.
You know, you canna change the way that you can
change politics. There's certain things you have no control. You
do have control yourself, though, right, And so I love
that because it really puts it all together.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, and then it becomes like that outside world is
my mirror. Maybe it's I don't even know how real
it is, because if you think of it, everything is energy.
So there's this big vibrations soup around me that I'm interpreting.
Now my subconscious my conscious mind is processing forty pieces

(35:10):
of information per second of this vibrational soup. You know
how much your subconscious mind is processing in that same second,
anything from eleven to forty million pieces? Wow? Right, To

(35:30):
give those numbers a bit of perspective, my subconscious mind
processes a book of five hundred pages per minute per second.
Sorry of yeah, five hundred pages. And you know how

(35:52):
many words I get conscious of in that same second,
just a few one word, one word.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So somehow my brain, just like the Internet, has all
that information out there and has to now decide what
it's going to show you on your mobile device. Yeah,
my brain has to filter those eleven million pieces of
information down to forty pieces of information. So how real

(36:26):
is that world that I'm perceiving? It's my interpretation and
it's filtered down based on what my beliefs are, what
I'm expecting, what I'm focusing on. So how real is
that world around me?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
It is that.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Reflection of what is going on inside of me, and
that external feedback will give me great insight of my
blind spots, what my next level, what my next point
for development can be. It's amazing. Yeah, if we're willing
to do the inner work and forgiveness.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Part of that, yeah, that's huge. Well, Hannah, I got
to tell you this is I really love this conversation
and uh, you know the idea of forgiving, and that's huge.
I think that's something that throughout we have to come
to terms and recognize and realize what we need to
do to be able to forgive whatever it is, people
or things, so we can move forward. So I really

(37:29):
love that any last minute things you want to share
before I let.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
You go, I want to say to your listeners, if
you want to be happy, stop outsourcing your happiness. Don't
look outside for your happiness and trying to change the external.
Go inside. Make peace with who you are, forgive yourself,

(37:56):
learn to love yourself. Words and all. We are a
plan and it's full of messy, imperfect human beings. We're
just one of those messy ones. You might as well
accept it.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, I love that. I love that. Thank you so
much again for being here, and we'll definitely make sure
that the listeners get your free gifts. So thank you
for that free gift too, and looking forward for people
connecting with you and doing more things with you. All right,
thank you again for being here.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Thank you again, and thank you for the audience for
listening all this time for this podcast. I value your time.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Thank you again. And for the rest of you guys,
I mean, please make sure that you guys share this
message because somebody definitely needs to hear it. And I
will see you in the next episode or you can
overcome anything podcash on. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
I'm Caesar Espino, real estate investor, business coach and consultant
and author of the book You Can Overcome Anything, Even
when the World says No. My number is four two
four five zero one six zero four to six. In
my book, I talk about making the necessary changes to
shift your mind for prosperity and certainty. Pick up your
copy at Amazon. I also love helping families with their
real estate and can purchase your house fast and all cash.

(39:06):
Follow me on Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn. My number is
four two four five zero one six zero four six.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Thank you for having me today. I am so glad
you've tuned into this podcast.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
You can find me at your favorite podcast platform where
you can like, subscribe, comment and share, and to learn
more about myself my services. You can find me at
www dot caesararspinot dot com, or you can also find
me at your social media. Thanks for joining me and
I am looking forward to having you at the next
episode and know you truly can overcome anything.

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