October 16, 2025 • 55 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Unveiled, where all conversations are safe, revealing, and uncuffed.
Tonight's show has partnered with Christ's Dishes, Stage and Soil,
Jin Chaffez Photography and sponsored by WSB I l C,
your resource for success podcasts. And we got some cool
guests today as a part of our new special host.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But we'll go back to our regular host first.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I got Karmene over here to left the men, Chris
and Jin, and of course we have some wonderful special
people in the house and not on Louise. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So what are we revealing tonight? What do we tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are revealing tonight? Guess Who's coming home for dinner?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Ready?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
People get your popcorn buckle in their hands in the
tram cars.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Probably the only dinner where I've had to show up
and I didn't have to cook.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Oh wow, So do you want to get the background
of it?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So you know, like as kind of we talked a
little earlier, it's really been interested in wanting to communicate
about Guess Who's coming home for dinner? And for those
who are listening and for those who know the movie,
Guess who's coming home for dinner. Then you'll understand the background.
So of course, the background is initially about how two
people come together.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
One happens to be black, when happens to be white.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The girl, the daughter, comes home and introduces the fiance,
and the parents are flabbergasting. They're trying to understand what happened,
How did this work, because it's not the world that
they're used to, right, So I thought it would be
really great to have this conversation because in our relationships,
we all have something that we can chime off an
(02:02):
experience on that by right, What year was that movie?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I can't because there was two wow, nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That was the First Life, and there was another one
that was made recent.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'd say eight years ago, two.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thousand and five, so close.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Twenty years ago, so close, but yees, my age time's
al and it snows.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, okay, okay, I just needed like contacts.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Okay, So nineteen sixties, yes, we're still dealing with the
stupid shit stuff in the world. Absolutely, And look now
we're twenty twenty five and we're still dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
I wasn't born yet, but I'll try to figure out
what was going on.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh you know, I was later part of this Still sixties.
That show came out so or that movie. Now this
one right here. He could tell us all about.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It was on listen you have fire where you live.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
It just got introduced two sticks along with me, Mack Nice.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Probably the oldest one at this table.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, you are bare and you only when.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
It was when Sidney Potier was doing this thing, right, Yeah, son,
learn from over here.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was ten. I'm gonna learn for the experts, this
is very odd.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
What did you do yesterday?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
My weird so derailed? No sex for you. So that's
why we went. We went from thirteen to rate it
r real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
See what I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
I guess I'll be.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I guess I'll be the don't worry father. She will
forget in about ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's okay. So in the movie, Sydney Partier is the
dad or.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, he's the one who's engaged with the daughter that
the parents are like shocked this fact that she literally
has brought home a black man.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That was not what they were expecting. So obvious for
those who can't see us. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So I think that's very interesting because we each of
us as couples have something different between us that maybe
our family is triggered in on or honed in on.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like for Chris and it's religion.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, he came from a Roman Catholic upbringing and
I came from a religious Jewish upbringing. I will let
each of you, you know, but it doesn't just transcend race.
There are so many points that people latch onto and
focus on the difference as opposed to that which makes
us so much similar similar, And honestly, I think it
(04:58):
almost makes us better as a couple because we're more
well rounded, we're more well versed, we can speak to
things through different lens right.
Speaker 10 (05:04):
And awareness of the differences. And I think for my
husband and.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
I, you know, I'm African Americans with Caribbean background, so
one hundred Caribbean.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Blood family's from Antigua, and my husband is from.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
My parents from Elsa, blor And.
Speaker 11 (05:24):
Yeah, yes, but I think it is because the different
cultures I think make us special and help us to
like get along but then also.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Appreciate each other's differences too. But I think on the
outside people will normally see the difference, but we see
the commonalities, you know, and I think that's what we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
About each other.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
There's so many different type of cultures out there, but
people don't see people. People see color. And that's the
zel Washington said that his on his podcasts. You got
to see people, you guys not seeing where you're phoned
through black white. It doesn't make a difference because honest, yeah,
people need to get.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
To know like who you are and what you're about.
Because if people just continuously look at like, hey, you're white,
you're black, you're brown, whatever you want to call it,
it's you're never getting to know the person. Like when
I met my wife, I didn't even know she was Jewish.
I was, And the only time I ever knew anything
about a Jewish person or somebody who practiced Judaism is
(06:31):
like I maybe had like one or two soldiers that
were into it, but they weren't really into it. If
and when I and I let me caveat when I
say into it, like there was one time we went
to New York to visit her family and we rolled
up on a Saturday, And if anybody knows anything about
the jew the Jewish culture on Saturday, you're doing nothing.
(06:56):
Like there there is no nothing going on, Like people
don't even thrive. We roll up and I got a
tank top on, shorts, and she had like shorts and
a T shirt on. And these kids are outside playing basketball.
And you have thought we were about to get our
butts kicked by these kids because they're out there, they're kakis,
bouncing their ball, their white button down shirt and didn't
(07:18):
even stop to look at they just stared us down.
I was like, were about to get after it here,
We're about to get it Borough Park.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
So that was I grew up with that, right, So
it's like we had a melting pot on our block
of you know, all different racist creeds, religions, whatever you
want to call. But but right, the boundaries were there.
So the Spanish people were in Sunset Park, right, we
were in a little bit of a melting pop because
(07:51):
it was a Norwegian neighborhood when first started.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
And uh then you've got like the Guineas excuse my French,
I'm guinea you know in.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Bay Ridge and Dyker Heights, a lot of them were
mob related and stuff like that. So Brooklyn was a
pure melting pot of people. But everybody kept into.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
Their own space.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
So Jewish people and the Jewish religion was nothing to me.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
It wasn't like but I didn't have Jewish friends because
they went we went to Catholic strength. So there's the
difference is too, they had their own schools. We had
our own schools. There was public for everybody else that
couldn't afford the Catholic schools and who wasn't Jewish to
get into the Jewish school So it was segregated. But
(08:40):
the neighborhood was not something that when I was growing up,
there wasn't like, you know, I've.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
Turned my nose down to the Jewish friends or Jewish
so it's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
A little different.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
The only thing that was really different was that there
weren't a lot of black people other than when I
went to high school, and and that that that didn't
change anything because to me, it was whether they were
Norwegian or Italian or Spanish or whatever, it didn't matter
to me. So but with that said, you know, I've
(09:15):
never crossed the border. I didn't stick your toes into
I didn't in the world to check the temperature because
there wasn't an opportunity there right exactly. And that's what's
what's the great thing about what I'll say what America was.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Is that, uh.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You you didn't get chastised for for for that different
you know. Now it's you know, we're trying to go
back to a time where it was, you know, fifties
and sixties right separated.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So for the two of you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So for those who don't know, if you had already
figured out, yes, she's a lot even though there's a
lot of mixture in my family, you know, it doesn't
(10:12):
matter this in the world that we live in, it's
all about well, if you look a certain way, you're
just one thing, and we you know, and our family
definitely it's not like that. But I don't have time
to argue those points, to worry about what other people
think or what they see.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I've been mistaken for a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I still hold true to the fact that your Cherokee
comes through.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, because we have Indian and we definitely have we
have Asian in our family.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So I mean we've been mistaken French.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I've been mistaken for many times. People think I'm from
I'm Hispanic. They're actually looking like no, And if there
is I don't know anything about it at this point.
But yeah, I mean it's just our experience, you know,
dealing with our people. I know, I'm not gonna say friends,
just the just the automatic look of oh, you two
(11:06):
are actually together, you know. I think we had a
couple of experiences, just even going to the store and
we get up to the register and then La it's like,
oh are you Are you next her? I'm like, we're together, right, yeah,
And the looks on their faces like oh, you know,
it's like that's the problem, that's the world we live in.
(11:27):
And like you were saying earlier in Louis, it's just
about what people see. It's not about the fact that, oh,
they could just be this wonderful couple. They're together, they're
great together, and we're standing there talking the whole time.
But she just automatically assumed that we were two separate entities.
You know, it happened to be standing in the same place, right.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I want to launch from there because you touched on
it earlier. Did your parents have an issue with him
being white?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
At first, I don't know if it was so much
an issue.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It was just a surprise, okay, because I have never
dated and never been in a relationship up outside of
my race. Because I was always told it was the
wrong thing to do. Right. As women of color, we're
always boxed in. We're always told what we can and
cannot do. It's okay for the male to do it,
but it's never been okay for really absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Was your brother encouraged, not encouraged, permitted? I'll use the
word permitted. It was never a conversation to date a
white girl. Yeah, it's never a conversation ever. So I
find that interesting because growing up my parents, you know,
we're older when they had me, and we were always
brought up you have to marry Jewish guy, you have
(12:38):
to not I could you have to marry a Jewish
guy because look what happened in the Holocaust and all,
Like my sole duty in life was to generate six
million kids to you.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Know, make amends for the six million Jews that were killed.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I say that somewhat facetiously, but the fact was, like,
you have to marry somebody Jewish. You have to keep
our religion going. And my Roman Catholic husband, who could
care what religion, what race, what anything?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
As long as you're not a douchebag.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Don't be don't be stupid. And that's that's that's the
best model.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I always think it's so interesting when people talk through
a myopic lens. Right, So you said she assumed he
was not with you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Why would somebody do?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Do you have that also?
Speaker 10 (13:28):
Do you have those experiences too?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
But you know, sometimes I tell my husband, I'm like,
I forget like we're in an interracial relationship until someone
points it out and I'm like, it's just an.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
Netta and Luis. That's who we are. We're just having fun.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And then all of a sudden you'll go out and
you'll see people looking and I'm like, what are they
looking at?
Speaker 11 (13:46):
Now?
Speaker 10 (13:46):
My husband likes the stairs and the attention.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I'm kind of like likes to enter a room and
like announce hey, weird.
Speaker 10 (13:58):
It feels like.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yes with this black queen, right and Mayan.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
I take a little bit different, to be honest. Since
I was a kid, I always have always been shy.
I mean there's a completely different style of the way
it used to be. But since I got married, even
before when I got involved with people outside not being
Hispanic or Latina whatever people called it, now I always
(14:28):
so it's something open for me. I never had a limit,
you know, if it's black, if it's Hispanic, if it's Jewish,
or if it's whatever the cases. I really don't don't care.
When we go out, Yes we have the issue, but
I don't say it is an issue. I say it's
people being hated. They still want to be stuck in
the past. When we walk the way I see, it's
(14:51):
like we walk strong together.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
And when people, even females are Tinas or Hispanic, they're
like they look at us, and I tell a look,
they looking at me, white mind with work that I
don't care how what people think, what they're gonna assume
with this, Probably don't care at the end of the day.
Look you were saying, sometimes our parents, not my parents,
(15:17):
my parents are like that, we don't care. That's when
somebody that's gonna perspect your care of you and treat
you the right, white period, I don't care they're browns
out that they don't care. But sometimes parents trying to
put that in their kids. What I realized and that
probably their own culture is not the right person for
them right right.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And I think a lot of times when I think
about my family.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, once we just had that, just two seconds
of conversation with him, and and I realize, I understand,
I don't blame them.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's just because that's what they.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Grew up around and what they have experienced, right, And
that was the key. We all have experienced something so different.
And I can understand by looking through the lens of
my father's eyes that to him, white men are not
the greatest right because that's what he's had to deal
with all his life. But at the same token, I've
also seen him evolve and change and understand that we're
(16:08):
just all We're all people, and I think the biggest
part of what we're seeing is that it's just like
you were saying earlier about communicating, just sit down and
talk to somebody, and you start to realize how much
more you have in common versus what you don't have
in common. And like you're saying, Louis, when I'm with him,
I'm a carament I see is my husband. I don't
have time to worry about I know what you look
(16:29):
like when I seen you. Okay, it's not an issue
for me right now. You know each other, You know
for such a long time that it was never about,
oh my god, I'm marrying a white man.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I didn't care.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
All I have here and I see in front of
me was that I have a loving man, you know,
a husband who truly cares about who I am, and
we care about each other, and when we're with each other,
we are the life of the party for each other. Right,
It's not about what everybody else think. And I think
that's been the biggest, biggest thing.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Yeah, So you started this way saying how how the
reaction was.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I was probably.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Very nervous because I didn't know what.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
The back and forth questions were going to be, and
there was a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Uh but uh, I.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Tell I need to know.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I need like sir, so I would like to just
hear give me a second so I can get my candy.
What did you do to car Mine?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I want to know, Well.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
You know when we go up, Yeah, it's a great
the next week, right, So we'll have a conversation about
that before the podcast.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
You know, it's it's gets.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Out about what was happening on the other end of
the telephone, because we had a US who's.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Going to know first?
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Right?
Speaker 9 (18:02):
And were they second or third?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You better be careful, Joe.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
First they were second, right, and then they were second.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, because then your family was, then my son was,
your sister was third, and then your son last.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Because we met him, and did you guys write this out?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We literally talked about how we wanted to have because
we did not want we didn't we wanted to tell
everybody in our own way.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And was in the hard part.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Abouts during the holidays, right, and we weren't all together,
so you know, we knew my son was coming down.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So he had remembered k because he had met him.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Before.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
But my daddy, that's a topic and that was part
two discussion would be about.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
But it was it was.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
It wasn't uncomfortable as much as this was well what's
the right thing to say and have say and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I didn't know, you know, I met him once, Yeah,
my son.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Right and and and and he remembered me, right, I
remembered of him, but he remembered me in a way
that hit him. Oh yeah, carlmin. He was a cool guy, right,
So so I don't know what he said to you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So that had been years ago.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
One down, three more to go, right, that's gonna be easy.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Now he was sitting there, I was sitting here, and
I was over there and you were over there, and
we had.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Three eight in between, y'all.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
We had her parents on the line on the phone,
and it was it was told to him, and it's
like it was like that that game show World.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Questions start happening.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It's like, oh ship, and I turned, you know, at
one point I turned to Joe.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
It's his Joe, can you help.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
A brother.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
There too?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
No, you're on your own as well.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Thanks a lot, But it was it wasn't like a
I guess I should have expected that it was going
to be a little difficult because this is new for them, right,
So I just you know, I spoke from my heart
(20:32):
as I spoke from you know, my years of experience,
because basically, here's a third husband, right so right right,
And it's like he's not black, he's older, he's Italian,
and he's bald.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And if I may as one to another, you're from
the northeast. You're a New Yorker that brings from.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
The Midwest, right, So it's like so it's like everything
was against me, but at the end, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think it was your charm.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Wait hold on, let's let's flip this script here. So
the first interaction my parents had. This one was what
phenomenal because we were in South Carolina and we were
with a group of friends hanging out, and I invited
my parents to come have dinner with us at a
(21:27):
local restaurant because they were only like twenty thirty minutes away.
This is the first interaction that my wife has had
now that had with my mother. My mother can be
very eccentric.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
You guys were just dating it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, we were barely even dating. Yeah, barely even dating.
My mom shows up. We in a public in a
public restaurant.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
After everything said and.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Done, everybody had dinner, we all engaged, had fun, blah
blah blah blah. But my dad stands up.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
And walks out.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I was like, well, this is really weird. And I
was like, where the hell is dad going. He's getting dessert.
I was like, oh my god, you've got to be
freaking kidding me. So my mom made dessert, brought it
to the restaurant.
Speaker 13 (22:16):
Oh okay, and had the servers bring plates and napkins
in cilvilware. My mom cut dessert and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
My god, he was under the table. Is this something
you guys do down here?
Speaker 13 (22:33):
My mom waited the whole night and right in front
of all of our friends.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
She's literally like, so explain to me how this Jewish
thing works. I was like, mind you, let me tell you.
My mom, God bless her heart. She is, you know, Italian.
She was raised in an Italian family, so that's really
all you know. And like my like with her, my dad,
(23:01):
her husband, there was no love loss. Like my grandmother
hated my father for a very long time because he
was a Spanish descent, was an Italian.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Came over, yeah, not Italian.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When she said that, I was like, oh my lord,
but I think everything kind of like balanced out when
my mom realized, like, oh, this is not what I
thought it was with her being Jewish.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I wasn't running off to go and have the man circumstances.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No, because I have I have the I have the
Jewish have boundaries. I have the woman who likes to
have a Christmas tree in every freaking corner of the house,
you know, and celebrates hankah. Yeah, oh yeah, I love them,
yeah honka tree yeah whatever. So yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It's interesting because you yeah, one question, yeah, please, what
was this dessert?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Do you remember what was gluten free?
Speaker 10 (24:01):
Pumpkin roll.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That's right, And that was my second question, wasn't gluten free?
He left an important piece out there.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
No, yea, your mom, yep, made gluten free and she
made a pumpkin roll.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And she does it and she does it. She's done
it every single year. Like they'll come up for the
holidays because my brother lives over in Chantilly, but she
will like, Okay, here's your here's one pumpkin roll for today,
and it's another one for you to have until next year.
It's like, can you tell her to make Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
She'll bring them up.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I promise.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Do you want to gluten free?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I just thought it was like, here's a woman who
doesn't know me, and she's got questions, right, and I
get it. Age does play a factor in you know,
when you're going to be getting married and the parental inquisition?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Uh what was that?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You brothers?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And because Mario freak does he listen to this?
Speaker 8 (25:20):
It will be after.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Is he?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I don't know, Just just text him back.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You continue to know. I want to know what roll
up in my business?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Sorry? What else is new? Have we met?
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I just want I just wanted to say that even
though I had the he comes to my my my things,
one of my things that goes through Kimberly.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Okay, am I on this list? I mean when you should,
I would be I can't remember who I put on.
I can't remember either, but you carry on. So my
point is like, your families are going to have opinions,
but I think the degree to which they make their
inquiries also has a lot to do with what it
is that the difference is, Like maybe your parents had
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questions about you being Hispanic, and does religion play a
factor in that. For my mother in law, it was
explained to me what being Jewish is because if you're
not around it, you're not gonna know. And because I
came from a religious family. And when I say religious,
I mean there were times in my life where it
was very religious. We had a Kosher kitten and everything
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was separate, and I appreciated her inquiry the delivery it
was different, but there was an appreciation because it was
a vested interest. And I think that's where a lot
of our difference of what we experience comes in.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Like you were saying, people are watching you, They're.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Looking at you like Latino women, What is it that
this beautiful man, this handsome man is doing, and that
is what you're picking up on. You're like, I don't
not even have mine.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
I don't see it as much.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
But you know, it all comes from that person's perspective,
and so it's I don't think it's as much as
the culture, but how that person thinks, you know. So
if they're already in the mindset of comparing or negative,
then they're gonna see it in that way. And then
you have other people who are like, go, girl, okay,
I see that's awesome, But I think that comes from
their perspective too. But then you may see some other
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men that may judge or think like, oh, why aren't
you with a black man, or you know, you couldn't
find someone in your own culture, And I'm like, been there,
done that. Hello, got the T shirt?
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Don't want it?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You O shirt? Don't make that make.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
But I think for my family, I think by the time,
and you know, being a little bit older, you know,
past forty, because you know, people get married twenties and thirties,
and got married in my late thirties, but by that
time my family was kind of like, well, you found someone. Congratulations,
you know, because I've brought different type of race, updated
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white and African, and so when Hispanic came along, they're like, oh,
you know.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
Okay, is this gonna last? That was the question is
this gonna last?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
And then my husband like, I'm gonna be here the
next year and the year after that, and here we are,
And so I think it was more about like is
it gonna work out?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Versus who he is?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So I think we have a day between our anniversaries. Right,
you're the twenty first first twenty first and we're the
twenty second. And I was looking at the picture of
the two of you at your wedding and it was
so beautiful to me. You have this care free like
I have found the man I love. Look in your
face and your back is arched and you can just
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you feel the love coming off of you and to you,
and it was just so moving. So I had to
interject and just tell you I love that picture, and
I hope you haven't blown up.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Like that somewhere.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I think we actually do have that one when yes, yes,
but yeah, that was a joy occasion and just happy
to get to that that finish line of like, yeah,
so you found that person you love and you want
to spend the rest of your life, and they were
you were there, you weren't around.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
He went coming out, man coming around.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
At that time, they were we hadn't even even not
even close to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That process of being together.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
So yeah, but we remember when we met him. Yeah,
that was our friends. It was a friend.
Speaker 14 (29:25):
I mean, it wasn't because the sixty in two point
five seconds, I was a friend, and then all of
a sudden, I was engaged.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, but some day that you guys actually came. He
literally just came that day as well, that that afternoon.
Remember you just got back into town, so they were
coming in when you came home from New Jersey. You
came over to the house the first time.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, to speak anyway, So we were friends.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We literally just started talking about what's going on on here?
I mean because we are texting each other, calling each other.
Because I was up in Baltimore see my son. He
was up see his sister and family. So I already
came back. He literally came back home. He rushed back home.
I was like, damn, what you do? Fly?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And he drove.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I swear that four hours seemed like two hours. And
he's like, you know, come over and like, okay, y'all
sit down and talk. I'm sitting over and across on
one chair and I was out over. No, no, no,
we didn't. I will say this man is probably the
most gracious and understanding. It took him several weeks to
even ask me if he could kiss me. So none
of that, we didn't do, none of that. There was
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no hanky panky. He was a gentleman all the way,
unlike this morning, unlike the forty.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right when you say uncomfed, that's not what we're.
Speaker 14 (30:48):
Talking about, what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
So yeah, I mean, you know, it's just it's just
so cool to see the dynamic in my experience. But
you know, most people don't understand that we've known each
other for a long time and we but through working,
but we never had communicated outside of our jobs. We
happened to get together a couple of times and then
that was like we had this instant understanding that there
was something there that we really truly enjoyed, you know,
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being with each other outside of the work.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I'm not going to disagree with that as somebody who
was in that environment with you all. Yes, it was
not a healthy place for a relationship to be fostered.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
However, it's not a healthy place to work mold.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
However, it's I think it's great that you found something
beautiful in a place where it wasn't expected, and now
look at you. And so, just to come back to
so we don't get too far off topic, you know,
did anybody ever come out right and.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Be like, why are you with him? He's white?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Not your family?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
No, no, no, anybody like So, even the way it was, there.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Were people that were surprised because, like I won't mention
the name, but I.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Get a text from co workers.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Saying, hey, you know, and it's just this is like
this year, right, just a couple of months ago, Hey.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Are you married to Kimberly?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
And now how can I fuck with this guy?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
No?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
What makes you think that I wanted to do that?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But no, it was it was a sincere question, right.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
It's like, so I called him.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
And it's like this is im And then I called
them and.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It's like, oh, he wasn't putting two to two together
because it was Mackalamore Pesci now and it's like I
want to say, why why are.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
You hitting on my wife? Right.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But but it's like even then, it was the people
weren't putting the two of us together.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean, I'm not even gonna lie when you told us.
I'll remember told her she's like Chris car getting married.
I was like, they're messing with you there, it's a joke.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
You know how he is.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
He likes to mess around.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
So obviously for a few times you've engaged, I'm a
little animated. I get excited over the very little things
because I just want everything to be celebrated. And when
they called me on teams to tell me this and
she's doing the.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I couldn't see it because it's a team thing.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
And I muted them after I was done screaming and
yelled downstairs to him, and he's like, she's messing with you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They're totally with you. Come on, no, like they're really great.
Speaker 13 (33:42):
I really thought it was a joke. And I was like, oh,
I was like, this is a really good joke, and
we're getting married.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We're a joke.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
We're gonna have a wedding on this.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm like, they're taking this ship a little.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Too far here.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
So the first one that was really observant about that
was see me, yes, right, because we were in Manhattan
and she had a famous pick, the famous picture of
you eating that hot hot dog.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I love that picture. Also, you should put that up.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
And it was like, yeah, it was there and I
didn't even know it was just there.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
And it's like she saw the rings like, oh her observe.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I hadn't told anybody at that point.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So but even listen, and let's go back to my girlfriend.
See me boy, you're talking.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
About two hours of sitting down giving him the riot action.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
So yeah, I forgot all about that.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I got all about that at the clubhouse here. She
wanted to beat him.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
And you know, if you've.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Met Senior, it's she's never really smiling, like she's like.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
It's like it was like that was the first going
look that.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
I had to go through.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Actually, yeah, it was the same reaction you guys had
always just a friend, because she kept saying, who is
this friend? You keep going out exactly us At that time,
that's when we kind of started, Okay, you know, he
would come up, he was meet me for dinner, I
be you know, he'd picked me up. It's like I'm
going out and have lunch, you know, it's like I
need to know who this friend is. So I had
to bring him to the clubhouse and they sat down. Literally,
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I was just sitting at the table and I'm just like,
oh okay. Literally she drilled him for two hours.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What's funny? Okay, so funny thing about that? Like with
with us, I mean, you guys, visual representation of differences, right,
ours is not. But when it comes to the religion thing,
I will give you my religious background. I have none,
but like like if you were to see my brother
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and I and I love my brother, I love his wife,
loved the love my uh nephews and nieces. But they're
very like Sunday go Sunday go, say, very like very
very into it, right, But when they found out, they're like, show, okay,
this is different. And we invited them over for Rashana
(36:05):
and Russianiana is a very big deal in the Jewish
culture where it's like it's a few days long for
into a week and it's like, yeah, few days, but
I mean there's aspects to it. So we invite them
over one time to do it and they're just like.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
We really don't know what to do with ourselves.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But it took the it took the little kids to
be like, so why do we do this? What are
we doing this for it? But whenever we do like
holidays now, even if it's celebrating Christmas or whatever, or
the youngest niece she's like, can we can we play
with the draid o. I'm like, this is funny, this
is great. Oh yeah, she thinks it's the coolest thing
to play.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
So that's something that we were fortunate with is our
families have questions. My family, yes, I grew up with
Catholic and Christian and every Pentecostal, every.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Religion was represented where I grew up in.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
What they were more shocked about were all the tattoos.
And if you ask, if you were to ask me today,
what is something that people identify to Because again, like
Chris had, nobody visually is gonna look at us and
see that there's a religious difference. What they see are
our tattoos. And even in society today where you can
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spin and somebody wh's got a tattoo, they do question it.
Why are you tattooed? Why are you both tattooed? Why
do you have so many tattoos?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
And we were well, I think what you're trying to
like say is like for people who practice Judaism, like
full force, tattoos.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Are not a thing, right, we don't get tattooed.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
So like the one time when I showed up and
I had a tank top and shorts on, They're like.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
What yeah, Because so I didn't get my first tattoo
until I was forty two, and it's the last words
my father said to me. And I had them tattooed
on my ribs. But I did it somewhere that was
important to me. Nobody has to see it. It was
for me, It wasn't for anyone else. And she met me,
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but my family was like, hey, so the soldier boy here,
which was other things, he's got all these tattoos, Like
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Like is he gonna convert?
Speaker 11 (38:18):
Now?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
For the audience who cannot visually see, I will let
you know I am not like one of the artists
where I'm completely like everything's filled in, But I am
front to back, head to toe, well head to neck
filled in. If you will not, you know not where
people have like the whole arm that's black, Where were
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we going to put the turtle?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
But I find it so interesting that somebody would even
ask you if you're married to Kim. Yeah, whatever their
intentions and maybe people you work with you the same.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
No, friends, I do, but I don't. I don't pay
attention to nonsense. You is my wife? Move on? You know?
Because I remember when I met Carmen.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Another gauntlet.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, yes, he had to go big daddy, and I'm.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Gonna and I want to bring this because of the
level of respect I have towards Kimberly sure and the
relationship that they have with my wife. So the first
well when we left your house that they were like
white he's staying.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
Back there, Yes, because we got there kind.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Of me, I said, I said to my wife, what
is ess doing back there?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Like I elevated to.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
And she's like their friends and we were like.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Friends.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
Yes, their friends. So he's still here.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
We met for dinner here in Freddicksburg and I had
to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
You had to talk to me.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
I had to talk to him. Let's go to the power.
Speaker 15 (40:02):
And I guess it's not to intimidate the other person,
but just to the other person to know that if
you touch her, potentially you may not walk tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
It happens, it's because it's because I didn't feel threatened
or anything.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You know, now that you know.
Speaker 16 (40:25):
A Latina tongue to Italian, we understand each other. And
when we talked, it was a good talk. It was
a good talk.
Speaker 8 (40:35):
It was a lover of respect towards each other and
towards Kimberly. It's because we have talked. I have heard
some of her background, and I didn't want a person
to come in and come and disrespect her because she
has a team that's going to support her and anything
that will happen to her, I would jump just just
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for that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know what, There's not a lot.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Of that anymore.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, there's not a lot of like the little community
that you have, like Okay, you screwed up. Guess what,
We're gonna go out to the woods and you know,
one of us ain't gonna come back.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Like the last time I had that, it was like
in the army and it's like, okay, we knew how
that goes with a protection thing, but like it's nice
to know that there's still people that do that right now.
Like my version was was with Kim. I was like
this is a joke.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I don't know, I think this is very funny how
this is going.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And now it's like, no, it gets weird that you like, really.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Truly do care about each other, love each.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Other, and it doesn't matter who thinks what because you
guys found love. You guys care about each other, and
you probably want to beat him on a daily basis.
I mean, I get, I mean, I really, I really
admire what you're saying and how you approach it. And
I don't think I've ever had anybody to do that
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with us, but you know I did that with him.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
Yes she did.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Oh yes, yes, she.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Handled it too because we were a.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Class.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Yeah, and we didn't know he was going to show
up that day because we were like, oh, we're gonna come,
and he said, oh, I might come, and then you know,
Kim and I were out dancing and then he shows
up and then she had words for him. It was
basically like, don't don't mess up, don't hurt my friend.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
But it was r rated, Yes, it was, Yes, yeah,
it was rat And in the same way he, you know,
feels about me, I felt about her and I'm still
feeling and I know what she's been through and I
did not want somebody walking into her life just just
to be there to show you know, your cute, you're handsome,
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you know, you may have it going on to.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
A certain degree.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But it was truly about how I felt about her
because we have a journey. We understand that we've been
through our journey, and she had been by herself for many,
many years.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I've been by myself, am.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So when you start to think about people who are
coming into your life, you're giving up. You're giving yourself
up again that you want to be able to trust
these individuals, right, And so I've wanted him to realize
you can mess up if you want to, but I
tell you can answer to me if you do.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I made it very clear.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that there was candor,
that there was honesty. We sugarcoat things as a society
because we don't want to hurt your feelings or make
somebody uncomfortable. But if you truly care about your community,
about the people who are important to you at any
level of importance, I think you owe it to the
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person coming into your community to, like you said, just
let it be known like you're not going to be disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You are expected to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Hold the door open, be courteous, beau dispussed because and
I think we see this a lot in you know,
where we go and some of the people that we
know they don't have it anymore. There is this disrespect
toward each other as a couple.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
That I will just say without saying so.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Not so long ago, we weren't out and as we
were engaging in conversation with another couple, the wife was being,
in my two cents, just not kind to her husband,
almost crapping on him for everything.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And I found it bothersome to me.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
And we left our time with the couple and we
got in the car and Chrys looks and he goes what.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
We know and it's like she made she she had
like like it might be yes, it tells or things
that I was crazy. It's just like when she does,
she has her like.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I do know that I am there there.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
For this conversation right now.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I find it disturbing if a husband to wife wife
husband can't support each other and promote that person. You
will never in a thousand years, regardless as to what
I think about something he's doing, hear me put him
down publicly.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
That will not happen.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
And to bear witness to somebody doing that, whether meant
to ingest, which I do not believe that was the intention,
But it's like, if you can treat your significant other
like that, how do you expect somebody who's on the
outside coming in to accept your spouse To.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
That point, if you were to bring up the fact.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Now I'm going to pick on you, Krim, because I
love you like stupid white boy, Like, how do you
expect somebody else to not pick that up and do
the same thing?
Speaker 14 (45:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:47):
You want to be treated and you want others to
treat and respect you the way you treat each other,
So for you to set the groundwork with him. Not
only did that speak volumes to your care for Kim,
it spoke volumes in my mind about or care for
your wife.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
These women are important to me. These women hold a.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Place in my heart, regardless as to what you might
see coming in. And I think that's so beautiful and inspiring.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Really, I want to be able to add to that.
I don't know you guys that well, but a couple
of times we have reacted, I could see the guys
on the same page. A lot of people they say
they want to get married. They we don't know the
definition been married. I want to be a wife, I
want to be a husband. I'm gonna quote this from
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tdj's he's a pastor. He has helped me a lot
of the videos that have listened to, they say, he
pretty much talks about how are you gonna how are
you gonna come in and ask to be a wife
or a husband if you're not acting as a future
husband or as a future wife. But a lot of
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people in this type with days, they don't. They don't.
I was talking to her a couple of days ago,
even with my father before this old school. A lot
of people, females with respect, they do not understand the
definition of being sexy and being beautiful. They think as
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being exposing a lot from their body. It makes them beautiful, No,
it makes them what's the right word.
Speaker 10 (47:30):
Object?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Object? Exactly?
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Thank you for exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I am not saying, but truthful.
Speaker 8 (47:39):
Beautiful, sexy, attractive. It comes if we go back to
the movies down in fifty sixties, the females that way
used to dress. There's a sexiness in this. This is
an attraction. There's there's something in there that a lot
of people has forgotten that exposing your body to certain degree.
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In their mind, they don't realize you're just a meet
and when you put yourself out there like that, they
come back to say, I can't find a great man
or a good man, or a man who loves me,
but look at yourself first if you want. And this
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goes to a man too, because when we started dating,
one of the things is, in fact, I told Carmine too,
you got to be consistent the way you are from
the beginning. You have to be until the last day.
Pretty much, it's just the beginning. I open the door
for my wife absolutely. I always make sure that I
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help her in what she needs. I'm not perfect, nobody's perfect,
but we both keep ourselves to the highest level at
all calls. When we're out with the same person, in
house with the same person. Kimberly knows this and nobody
knows about this right now. Is because when she having
a crappy day, I try to do my best. Well,
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how can I lift her up? One of the things
that we have learned that we read books to help
us to grow, is how can we empower other people
and take her off our eyes of our own self
and put in somebody else. Because people are hurting across
the bar with everything that's happening, not just with politic yes,
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with everything, how can you say hello to somebody and
say hey, I love you brother, or I love you sister.
People don't realize that just saying hello or giving a
smile to somebody it makes it different. But to make
that difference is you have to look at yourself and
(49:49):
make that different in your own and in you to
put it out there, because if you always look at
the negative, that's always going to be negative. If I
tell you my whole background in hours, you see this
right here. It's some type of polish. But I have
gone through a line. She knows that.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Somebody knows that.
Speaker 8 (50:10):
But when we have so much going on, it's so
negative and we put it to the world, you're not
helping that home.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
But I mean, I think you hit the nail on
the head. And I think with the topic that we
started with and that we that we're talking about, the
one thing is is that people need to realize, like
we like we said in the beginning of this podcast,
it doesn't matter what anyone looks like. You're looking at
(50:39):
the color of the skin and just to say hello,
how are you are you doing?
Speaker 7 (50:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (50:43):
People forget it's about being decent. It's about being kind
to your fellow person, to your wife, to your significant other,
which whatever whatever it is. Like I have a huh,
I have an after army mentor.
Speaker 9 (51:01):
And I would say he is somebody I.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Go to for advice with business and we yes all
the time. And the dude's white and he's gay and
his husband's black and he's gay, tallest black tude I've
ever met in my life. But it's like I never
have been like, Okay, yeah, you're gay, that's really weird.
But when he told me I had a black husband,
(51:26):
I was like, Okay, now it's kind of weird and now,
but no matter what, you still love the person. You
still engage with the person. And I met his husband
and they're great people. And I think that's what we
deal with as a society today is too many people
look at the outside, the outside or even like, oh
my god, you don't you're a different religion. I was like,
(51:48):
who cares.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Let the person be that person, like the status of
that right instead of as human beings.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
And collectively it's the label that becomes the problem. Absolutely,
And you you said about paying somebody a compliment. We
went to dinner last night and the woman was just
so sweet. The hostess just like, you have such a
pretty outfit on. I just wanted you to know that
you look very pretty.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Wow, you feel so good.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I was like, that is just.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
So genuine and so kind and it cost me nothing,
and yet it put me in a great mood. We
had a great dinner. We were not with the other
people and that whole thing, but it was just so
important to be able to say that, get you know,
bring it all together. Like here we have differences. Here
(52:41):
we are able to come as around a table and
say the differences between our race, our ethnicity, our religion,
or even our belief systems, whatever they might be, it
doesn't matter. Because if I can be kind to you
and you can be kind to me, and we collectively
can be kind to each other, how much more good
(53:03):
does that put out in the world compared to all
the negative? To your point, and there are plenty of
people out there that are going to be hateful, and
there are plenty of people that will judge, and it's rampant.
It is, it's rampant, right, So what can we do
to counterbalance that, and I.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
Think it might be just exactly the topic, bringing people
to dinner, you know, and just showing who people are,
because unless you sit down and talk and have a conversation,
as my husband will say, let's talk and have some tacos,
you know the problem.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
He's like, we'll sit down and have some tacos.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
But you know, if you sit down have a conversation,
then you get to learn who that person is instead
of just looking at the stereotype or the religion or
the politics, you get to know that person. And I
think that's how people connect, right, And maybe it is,
you know, having some dinner, all right, So at that point,
you know, I think what we're gonna do because this
(54:05):
conversation obviously is definitely a longer conversation.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
So we're gonna call this part one.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I guess you're coming home to dinner, and we will
move on to part two in five minutes. So for
those who are listening, we will be taking a break.
And I do want to remind you all though, before
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(54:32):
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C and five good night,
Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Unveiled, where all conversations are safe, revealing, and uncuffed.
Tonight's show has partnered with Christ's Dishes, Stage and Soil,
Jin Chaffez Photography and sponsored by WSB I l C,
your resource for success podcasts. And we got some cool
guests today as a part of our new special host.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But we'll go back to our regular host first.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I got Karmene over here to left the men, Chris
and Jin, and of course we have some wonderful special
people in the house and not on Louise. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So what are we revealing tonight? What do we tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are revealing tonight? Guess Who's coming home for dinner?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Ready?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
People get your popcorn buckle in their hands in the
tram cars.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Probably the only dinner where I've had to show up
and I didn't have to cook.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Oh wow, So do you want to get the background
of it?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So you know, like as kind of we talked a
little earlier, it's really been interested in wanting to communicate
about Guess Who's coming home for dinner? And for those
who are listening and for those who know the movie,
Guess who's coming home for dinner. Then you'll understand the background.
So of course, the background is initially about how two
people come together.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
One happens to be black, when happens to be white.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The girl, the daughter, comes home and introduces the fiance,
and the parents are flabbergasting. They're trying to understand what happened,
How did this work, because it's not the world that
they're used to, right, So I thought it would be
really great to have this conversation because in our relationships,
we all have something that we can chime off an
(02:02):
experience on that by right, What year was that movie?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I can't because there was two wow, nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That was the First Life, and there was another one
that was made recent.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'd say eight years ago, two.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thousand and five, so close.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Twenty years ago, so close, but yees, my age time's
al and it snows.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, okay, okay, I just needed like contacts.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Okay, So nineteen sixties, yes, we're still dealing with the
stupid shit stuff in the world. Absolutely, And look now
we're twenty twenty five and we're still dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
I wasn't born yet, but I'll try to figure out
what was going on.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh you know, I was later part of this Still sixties.
That show came out so or that movie. Now this
one right here. He could tell us all about.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It was on listen you have fire where you live.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
It just got introduced two sticks along with me, Mack Nice.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Probably the oldest one at this table.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, you are bare and you only when.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
It was when Sidney Potier was doing this thing, right, Yeah, son,
learn from over here.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was ten. I'm gonna learn for the experts, this
is very odd.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
What did you do yesterday?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
My weird so derailed? No sex for you. So that's
why we went. We went from thirteen to rate it
r real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
See what I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
I guess I'll be.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I guess I'll be the don't worry father. She will
forget in about ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's okay. So in the movie, Sydney Partier is the
dad or.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, he's the one who's engaged with the daughter that
the parents are like shocked this fact that she literally
has brought home a black man.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That was not what they were expecting. So obvious for
those who can't see us. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So I think that's very interesting because we each of
us as couples have something different between us that maybe
our family is triggered in on or honed in on.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like for Chris and it's religion.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, he came from a Roman Catholic upbringing and
I came from a religious Jewish upbringing. I will let
each of you, you know, but it doesn't just transcend race.
There are so many points that people latch onto and
focus on the difference as opposed to that which makes
us so much similar similar, And honestly, I think it
(04:58):
almost makes us better as a couple because we're more
well rounded, we're more well versed, we can speak to
things through different lens right.
Speaker 10 (05:04):
And awareness of the differences. And I think for my
husband and.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
I, you know, I'm African Americans with Caribbean background, so
one hundred Caribbean.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Blood family's from Antigua, and my husband is from.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
My parents from Elsa, blor And.
Speaker 11 (05:24):
Yeah, yes, but I think it is because the different
cultures I think make us special and help us to
like get along but then also.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Appreciate each other's differences too. But I think on the
outside people will normally see the difference, but we see
the commonalities, you know, and I think that's what we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
About each other.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
There's so many different type of cultures out there, but
people don't see people. People see color. And that's the
zel Washington said that his on his podcasts. You got
to see people, you guys not seeing where you're phoned
through black white. It doesn't make a difference because honest, yeah,
people need to get.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
To know like who you are and what you're about.
Because if people just continuously look at like, hey, you're white,
you're black, you're brown, whatever you want to call it,
it's you're never getting to know the person. Like when
I met my wife, I didn't even know she was Jewish.
I was, And the only time I ever knew anything
about a Jewish person or somebody who practiced Judaism is
(06:31):
like I maybe had like one or two soldiers that
were into it, but they weren't really into it. If
and when I and I let me caveat when I
say into it, like there was one time we went
to New York to visit her family and we rolled
up on a Saturday, And if anybody knows anything about
the jew the Jewish culture on Saturday, you're doing nothing.
(06:56):
Like there there is no nothing going on, Like people
don't even thrive. We roll up and I got a
tank top on, shorts, and she had like shorts and
a T shirt on. And these kids are outside playing basketball.
And you have thought we were about to get our
butts kicked by these kids because they're out there, they're kakis,
bouncing their ball, their white button down shirt and didn't
(07:18):
even stop to look at they just stared us down.
I was like, were about to get after it here,
We're about to get it Borough Park.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
So that was I grew up with that, right, So
it's like we had a melting pot on our block
of you know, all different racist creeds, religions, whatever you
want to call. But but right, the boundaries were there.
So the Spanish people were in Sunset Park, right, we
were in a little bit of a melting pop because
(07:51):
it was a Norwegian neighborhood when first started.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
And uh then you've got like the Guineas excuse my French,
I'm guinea you know in.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Bay Ridge and Dyker Heights, a lot of them were
mob related and stuff like that. So Brooklyn was a
pure melting pot of people. But everybody kept into.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
Their own space.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
So Jewish people and the Jewish religion was nothing to me.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
It wasn't like but I didn't have Jewish friends because
they went we went to Catholic strength. So there's the
difference is too, they had their own schools. We had
our own schools. There was public for everybody else that
couldn't afford the Catholic schools and who wasn't Jewish to
get into the Jewish school So it was segregated. But
(08:40):
the neighborhood was not something that when I was growing up,
there wasn't like, you know, I've.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
Turned my nose down to the Jewish friends or Jewish
so it's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
A little different.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
The only thing that was really different was that there
weren't a lot of black people other than when I
went to high school, and and that that that didn't
change anything because to me, it was whether they were
Norwegian or Italian or Spanish or whatever, it didn't matter
to me. So but with that said, you know, I've
(09:15):
never crossed the border. I didn't stick your toes into
I didn't in the world to check the temperature because
there wasn't an opportunity there right exactly. And that's what's
what's the great thing about what I'll say what America was.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Is that, uh.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You you didn't get chastised for for for that different
you know. Now it's you know, we're trying to go
back to a time where it was, you know, fifties
and sixties right separated.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So for the two of you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So for those who don't know, if you had already
figured out, yes, she's a lot even though there's a
lot of mixture in my family, you know, it doesn't
(10:12):
matter this in the world that we live in, it's
all about well, if you look a certain way, you're
just one thing, and we you know, and our family
definitely it's not like that. But I don't have time
to argue those points, to worry about what other people
think or what they see.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I've been mistaken for a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I still hold true to the fact that your Cherokee
comes through.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, because we have Indian and we definitely have we
have Asian in our family.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So I mean we've been mistaken French.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I've been mistaken for many times. People think I'm from
I'm Hispanic. They're actually looking like no, And if there
is I don't know anything about it at this point.
But yeah, I mean it's just our experience, you know,
dealing with our people. I know, I'm not gonna say friends,
just the just the automatic look of oh, you two
(11:06):
are actually together, you know. I think we had a
couple of experiences, just even going to the store and
we get up to the register and then La it's like,
oh are you Are you next her? I'm like, we're together, right, yeah,
And the looks on their faces like oh, you know,
it's like that's the problem, that's the world we live in.
(11:27):
And like you were saying earlier in Louis, it's just
about what people see. It's not about the fact that, oh,
they could just be this wonderful couple. They're together, they're
great together, and we're standing there talking the whole time.
But she just automatically assumed that we were two separate entities.
You know, it happened to be standing in the same place, right.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I want to launch from there because you touched on
it earlier. Did your parents have an issue with him
being white?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
At first, I don't know if it was so much
an issue.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It was just a surprise, okay, because I have never
dated and never been in a relationship up outside of
my race. Because I was always told it was the
wrong thing to do. Right. As women of color, we're
always boxed in. We're always told what we can and
cannot do. It's okay for the male to do it,
but it's never been okay for really absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Was your brother encouraged, not encouraged, permitted? I'll use the
word permitted. It was never a conversation to date a
white girl. Yeah, it's never a conversation ever. So I
find that interesting because growing up my parents, you know,
we're older when they had me, and we were always
brought up you have to marry Jewish guy, you have
(12:38):
to not I could you have to marry a Jewish
guy because look what happened in the Holocaust and all,
Like my sole duty in life was to generate six
million kids to you.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Know, make amends for the six million Jews that were killed.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I say that somewhat facetiously, but the fact was, like,
you have to marry somebody Jewish. You have to keep
our religion going. And my Roman Catholic husband, who could
care what religion, what race, what anything?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
As long as you're not a douchebag.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Don't be don't be stupid. And that's that's that's the
best model.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I always think it's so interesting when people talk through
a myopic lens. Right, So you said she assumed he
was not with you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Why would somebody do?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Do you have that also?
Speaker 10 (13:28):
Do you have those experiences too?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
But you know, sometimes I tell my husband, I'm like,
I forget like we're in an interracial relationship until someone
points it out and I'm like, it's just an.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
Netta and Luis. That's who we are. We're just having fun.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And then all of a sudden you'll go out and
you'll see people looking and I'm like, what are they
looking at?
Speaker 11 (13:46):
Now?
Speaker 10 (13:46):
My husband likes the stairs and the attention.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I'm kind of like likes to enter a room and
like announce hey, weird.
Speaker 10 (13:58):
It feels like.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yes with this black queen, right and Mayan.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
I take a little bit different, to be honest. Since
I was a kid, I always have always been shy.
I mean there's a completely different style of the way
it used to be. But since I got married, even
before when I got involved with people outside not being
Hispanic or Latina whatever people called it, now I always
(14:28):
so it's something open for me. I never had a limit,
you know, if it's black, if it's Hispanic, if it's Jewish,
or if it's whatever the cases. I really don't don't care.
When we go out, Yes we have the issue, but
I don't say it is an issue. I say it's
people being hated. They still want to be stuck in
the past. When we walk the way I see, it's
(14:51):
like we walk strong together.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
And when people, even females are Tinas or Hispanic, they're
like they look at us, and I tell a look,
they looking at me, white mind with work that I
don't care how what people think, what they're gonna assume
with this, Probably don't care at the end of the day.
Look you were saying, sometimes our parents, not my parents,
(15:17):
my parents are like that, we don't care. That's when
somebody that's gonna perspect your care of you and treat
you the right, white period, I don't care they're browns
out that they don't care. But sometimes parents trying to
put that in their kids. What I realized and that
probably their own culture is not the right person for
them right right.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And I think a lot of times when I think
about my family.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, once we just had that, just two seconds
of conversation with him, and and I realize, I understand,
I don't blame them.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's just because that's what they.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Grew up around and what they have experienced, right, And
that was the key. We all have experienced something so different.
And I can understand by looking through the lens of
my father's eyes that to him, white men are not
the greatest right because that's what he's had to deal
with all his life. But at the same token, I've
also seen him evolve and change and understand that we're
(16:08):
just all We're all people, and I think the biggest
part of what we're seeing is that it's just like
you were saying earlier about communicating, just sit down and
talk to somebody, and you start to realize how much
more you have in common versus what you don't have
in common. And like you're saying, Louis, when I'm with him,
I'm a carament I see is my husband. I don't
have time to worry about I know what you look
(16:29):
like when I seen you. Okay, it's not an issue
for me right now. You know each other, You know
for such a long time that it was never about,
oh my god, I'm marrying a white man.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I didn't care.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
All I have here and I see in front of
me was that I have a loving man, you know,
a husband who truly cares about who I am, and
we care about each other, and when we're with each other,
we are the life of the party for each other. Right,
It's not about what everybody else think. And I think
that's been the biggest, biggest thing.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Yeah, So you started this way saying how how the
reaction was.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I was probably.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Very nervous because I didn't know what.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
The back and forth questions were going to be, and
there was a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Uh but uh, I.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Tell I need to know.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I need like sir, so I would like to just
hear give me a second so I can get my candy.
What did you do to car Mine?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I want to know, Well.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
You know when we go up, Yeah, it's a great
the next week, right, So we'll have a conversation about
that before the podcast.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
You know, it's it's gets.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Out about what was happening on the other end of
the telephone, because we had a US who's.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Going to know first?
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Right?
Speaker 9 (18:02):
And were they second or third?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You better be careful, Joe.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
First they were second, right, and then they were second.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, because then your family was, then my son was,
your sister was third, and then your son last.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Because we met him, and did you guys write this out?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We literally talked about how we wanted to have because
we did not want we didn't we wanted to tell
everybody in our own way.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And was in the hard part.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Abouts during the holidays, right, and we weren't all together,
so you know, we knew my son was coming down.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So he had remembered k because he had met him.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Before.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
But my daddy, that's a topic and that was part
two discussion would be about.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
But it was it was.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
It wasn't uncomfortable as much as this was well what's
the right thing to say and have say and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I didn't know, you know, I met him once, Yeah,
my son.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Right and and and and he remembered me, right, I
remembered of him, but he remembered me in a way
that hit him. Oh yeah, carlmin. He was a cool guy, right,
So so I don't know what he said to you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So that had been years ago.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
One down, three more to go, right, that's gonna be easy.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Now he was sitting there, I was sitting here, and
I was over there and you were over there, and
we had.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Three eight in between, y'all.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
We had her parents on the line on the phone,
and it was it was told to him, and it's
like it was like that that game show World.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Questions start happening.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It's like, oh ship, and I turned, you know, at
one point I turned to Joe.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
It's his Joe, can you help.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
A brother.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
There too?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
No, you're on your own as well.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Thanks a lot, But it was it wasn't like a
I guess I should have expected that it was going
to be a little difficult because this is new for them, right,
So I just you know, I spoke from my heart
(20:32):
as I spoke from you know, my years of experience,
because basically, here's a third husband, right so right right,
And it's like he's not black, he's older, he's Italian,
and he's bald.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And if I may as one to another, you're from
the northeast. You're a New Yorker that brings from.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
The Midwest, right, So it's like so it's like everything
was against me, but at the end, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think it was your charm.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Wait hold on, let's let's flip this script here. So
the first interaction my parents had. This one was what
phenomenal because we were in South Carolina and we were
with a group of friends hanging out, and I invited
my parents to come have dinner with us at a
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local restaurant because they were only like twenty thirty minutes away.
This is the first interaction that my wife has had
now that had with my mother. My mother can be
very eccentric.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
You guys were just dating it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, we were barely even dating. Yeah, barely even dating.
My mom shows up. We in a public in a
public restaurant.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
After everything said and.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Done, everybody had dinner, we all engaged, had fun, blah
blah blah blah. But my dad stands up.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
And walks out.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I was like, well, this is really weird. And I
was like, where the hell is dad going. He's getting dessert.
I was like, oh my god, you've got to be
freaking kidding me. So my mom made dessert, brought it
to the restaurant.
Speaker 13 (22:16):
Oh okay, and had the servers bring plates and napkins
in cilvilware. My mom cut dessert and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
My god, he was under the table. Is this something
you guys do down here?
Speaker 13 (22:33):
My mom waited the whole night and right in front
of all of our friends.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
She's literally like, so explain to me how this Jewish
thing works. I was like, mind you, let me tell you.
My mom, God bless her heart. She is, you know, Italian.
She was raised in an Italian family, so that's really
all you know. And like my like with her, my dad,
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her husband, there was no love loss. Like my grandmother
hated my father for a very long time because he
was a Spanish descent, was an Italian.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Came over, yeah, not Italian.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
When she said that, I was like, oh my lord,
but I think everything kind of like balanced out when
my mom realized, like, oh, this is not what I
thought it was with her being Jewish.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I wasn't running off to go and have the man circumstances.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No, because I have I have the I have the
Jewish have boundaries. I have the woman who likes to
have a Christmas tree in every freaking corner of the house,
you know, and celebrates hankah. Yeah, oh yeah, I love them,
yeah honka tree yeah whatever. So yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It's interesting because you yeah, one question, yeah, please, what
was this dessert?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Do you remember what was gluten free?
Speaker 10 (24:01):
Pumpkin roll.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That's right, And that was my second question, wasn't gluten free?
He left an important piece out there.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
No, yea, your mom, yep, made gluten free and she
made a pumpkin roll.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And she does it and she does it. She's done
it every single year. Like they'll come up for the
holidays because my brother lives over in Chantilly, but she
will like, Okay, here's your here's one pumpkin roll for today,
and it's another one for you to have until next year.
It's like, can you tell her to make Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
She'll bring them up.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I promise.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Do you want to gluten free?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I just thought it was like, here's a woman who
doesn't know me, and she's got questions, right, and I
get it. Age does play a factor in you know,
when you're going to be getting married and the parental inquisition?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Uh what was that?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You brothers?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And because Mario freak does he listen to this?
Speaker 8 (25:20):
It will be after.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Is he?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I don't know, Just just text him back.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You continue to know. I want to know what roll
up in my business?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Sorry? What else is new? Have we met?
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I just want I just wanted to say that even
though I had the he comes to my my my things,
one of my things that goes through Kimberly.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Okay, am I on this list? I mean when you should,
I would be I can't remember who I put on.
I can't remember either, but you carry on. So my
point is like, your families are going to have opinions,
but I think the degree to which they make their
inquiries also has a lot to do with what it
is that the difference is, Like maybe your parents had
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questions about you being Hispanic, and does religion play a
factor in that. For my mother in law, it was
explained to me what being Jewish is because if you're
not around it, you're not gonna know. And because I
came from a religious family. And when I say religious,
I mean there were times in my life where it
was very religious. We had a Kosher kitten and everything
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was separate, and I appreciated her inquiry the delivery it
was different, but there was an appreciation because it was
a vested interest. And I think that's where a lot
of our difference of what we experience comes in.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Like you were saying, people are watching you, They're.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Looking at you like Latino women, What is it that
this beautiful man, this handsome man is doing, and that
is what you're picking up on. You're like, I don't
not even have mine.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
I don't see it as much.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
But you know, it all comes from that person's perspective,
and so it's I don't think it's as much as
the culture, but how that person thinks, you know. So
if they're already in the mindset of comparing or negative,
then they're gonna see it in that way. And then
you have other people who are like, go, girl, okay,
I see that's awesome, But I think that comes from
their perspective too. But then you may see some other
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men that may judge or think like, oh, why aren't
you with a black man, or you know, you couldn't
find someone in your own culture, And I'm like, been there,
done that. Hello, got the T shirt?
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Don't want it?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You O shirt? Don't make that make.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
But I think for my family, I think by the time,
and you know, being a little bit older, you know,
past forty, because you know, people get married twenties and thirties,
and got married in my late thirties, but by that
time my family was kind of like, well, you found someone. Congratulations,
you know, because I've brought different type of race, updated
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white and African, and so when Hispanic came along, they're like, oh,
you know.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
Okay, is this gonna last? That was the question is
this gonna last?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
And then my husband like, I'm gonna be here the
next year and the year after that, and here we are,
And so I think it was more about like is
it gonna work out?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Versus who he is?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So I think we have a day between our anniversaries. Right,
you're the twenty first first twenty first and we're the
twenty second. And I was looking at the picture of
the two of you at your wedding and it was
so beautiful to me. You have this care free like
I have found the man I love. Look in your
face and your back is arched and you can just
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you feel the love coming off of you and to you,
and it was just so moving. So I had to
interject and just tell you I love that picture, and
I hope you haven't blown up.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Like that somewhere.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I think we actually do have that one when yes, yes,
but yeah, that was a joy occasion and just happy
to get to that that finish line of like, yeah,
so you found that person you love and you want
to spend the rest of your life, and they were
you were there, you weren't around.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
He went coming out, man coming around.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
At that time, they were we hadn't even even not
even close to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That process of being together.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
So yeah, but we remember when we met him. Yeah,
that was our friends. It was a friend.
Speaker 14 (29:25):
I mean, it wasn't because the sixty in two point
five seconds, I was a friend, and then all of
a sudden, I was engaged.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, but some day that you guys actually came. He
literally just came that day as well, that that afternoon.
Remember you just got back into town, so they were
coming in when you came home from New Jersey. You
came over to the house the first time.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, to speak anyway, So we were friends.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We literally just started talking about what's going on on here?
I mean because we are texting each other, calling each other.
Because I was up in Baltimore see my son. He
was up see his sister and family. So I already
came back. He literally came back home. He rushed back home.
I was like, damn, what you do? Fly?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And he drove.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I swear that four hours seemed like two hours. And
he's like, you know, come over and like, okay, y'all
sit down and talk. I'm sitting over and across on
one chair and I was out over. No, no, no,
we didn't. I will say this man is probably the
most gracious and understanding. It took him several weeks to
even ask me if he could kiss me. So none
of that, we didn't do, none of that. There was
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no hanky panky. He was a gentleman all the way,
unlike this morning, unlike the forty.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right when you say uncomfed, that's not what we're.
Speaker 14 (30:48):
Talking about, what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
So yeah, I mean, you know, it's just it's just
so cool to see the dynamic in my experience. But
you know, most people don't understand that we've known each
other for a long time and we but through working,
but we never had communicated outside of our jobs. We
happened to get together a couple of times and then
that was like we had this instant understanding that there
was something there that we really truly enjoyed, you know,
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being with each other outside of the work.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I'm not going to disagree with that as somebody who
was in that environment with you all. Yes, it was
not a healthy place for a relationship to be fostered.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
However, it's not a healthy place to work mold.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
However, it's I think it's great that you found something
beautiful in a place where it wasn't expected, and now
look at you. And so, just to come back to
so we don't get too far off topic, you know,
did anybody ever come out right and.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Be like, why are you with him? He's white?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Not your family?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
No, no, no, anybody like So, even the way it was, there.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
Were people that were surprised because, like I won't mention
the name, but I.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Get a text from co workers.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Saying, hey, you know, and it's just this is like
this year, right, just a couple of months ago, Hey.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Are you married to Kimberly?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
And now how can I fuck with this guy?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
No?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
What makes you think that I wanted to do that?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But no, it was it was a sincere question, right.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
It's like, so I called him.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
And it's like this is im And then I called
them and.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It's like, oh, he wasn't putting two to two together
because it was Mackalamore Pesci now and it's like I
want to say, why why are.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
You hitting on my wife? Right.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But but it's like even then, it was the people
weren't putting the two of us together.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean, I'm not even gonna lie when you told us.
I'll remember told her she's like Chris car getting married.
I was like, they're messing with you there, it's a joke.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
You know how he is.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
He likes to mess around.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
So obviously for a few times you've engaged, I'm a
little animated. I get excited over the very little things
because I just want everything to be celebrated. And when
they called me on teams to tell me this and
she's doing the.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I couldn't see it because it's a team thing.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
And I muted them after I was done screaming and
yelled downstairs to him, and he's like, she's messing with you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They're totally with you. Come on, no, like they're really great.
Speaker 13 (33:42):
I really thought it was a joke. And I was like, oh,
I was like, this is a really good joke, and
we're getting married.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We're a joke.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
We're gonna have a wedding on this.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm like, they're taking this ship a little.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Too far here.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
So the first one that was really observant about that
was see me, yes, right, because we were in Manhattan
and she had a famous pick, the famous picture of
you eating that hot hot dog.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I love that picture. Also, you should put that up.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
And it was like, yeah, it was there and I
didn't even know it was just there.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
And it's like she saw the rings like, oh her observe.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I hadn't told anybody at that point.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So but even listen, and let's go back to my girlfriend.
See me boy, you're talking.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
About two hours of sitting down giving him the riot action.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
So yeah, I forgot all about that.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I got all about that at the clubhouse here. She
wanted to beat him.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
And you know, if you've.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Met Senior, it's she's never really smiling, like she's like.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
It's like it was like that was the first going
look that.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
I had to go through.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Actually, yeah, it was the same reaction you guys had
always just a friend, because she kept saying, who is
this friend? You keep going out exactly us At that time,
that's when we kind of started, Okay, you know, he
would come up, he was meet me for dinner, I
be you know, he'd picked me up. It's like I'm
going out and have lunch, you know, it's like I
need to know who this friend is. So I had
to bring him to the clubhouse and they sat down. Literally,
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I was just sitting at the table and I'm just like,
oh okay. Literally she drilled him for two hours.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What's funny? Okay, so funny thing about that? Like with
with us, I mean, you guys, visual representation of differences, right,
ours is not. But when it comes to the religion thing,
I will give you my religious background. I have none,
but like like if you were to see my brother
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and I and I love my brother, I love his wife,
loved the love my uh nephews and nieces. But they're
very like Sunday go Sunday go, say, very like very
very into it, right, But when they found out, they're like, show, okay,
this is different. And we invited them over for Rashana
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and Russianiana is a very big deal in the Jewish
culture where it's like it's a few days long for
into a week and it's like, yeah, few days, but
I mean there's aspects to it. So we invite them
over one time to do it and they're just like.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
We really don't know what to do with ourselves.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But it took the it took the little kids to
be like, so why do we do this? What are
we doing this for it? But whenever we do like
holidays now, even if it's celebrating Christmas or whatever, or
the youngest niece she's like, can we can we play
with the draid o. I'm like, this is funny, this
is great. Oh yeah, she thinks it's the coolest thing
to play.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
So that's something that we were fortunate with is our
families have questions. My family, yes, I grew up with
Catholic and Christian and every Pentecostal, every.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Religion was represented where I grew up in.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
What they were more shocked about were all the tattoos.
And if you ask, if you were to ask me today,
what is something that people identify to Because again, like
Chris had, nobody visually is gonna look at us and
see that there's a religious difference. What they see are
our tattoos. And even in society today where you can
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spin and somebody wh's got a tattoo, they do question it.
Why are you tattooed? Why are you both tattooed? Why
do you have so many tattoos?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
And we were well, I think what you're trying to
like say is like for people who practice Judaism, like
full force, tattoos.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Are not a thing, right, we don't get tattooed.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
So like the one time when I showed up and
I had a tank top and shorts on, They're like.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
What yeah, Because so I didn't get my first tattoo
until I was forty two, and it's the last words
my father said to me. And I had them tattooed
on my ribs. But I did it somewhere that was
important to me. Nobody has to see it. It was
for me, It wasn't for anyone else. And she met me,
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but my family was like, hey, so the soldier boy here,
which was other things, he's got all these tattoos, Like
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Like is he gonna convert?
Speaker 11 (38:18):
Now?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
For the audience who cannot visually see, I will let
you know I am not like one of the artists
where I'm completely like everything's filled in, But I am
front to back, head to toe, well head to neck
filled in. If you will not, you know not where
people have like the whole arm that's black, Where were
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we going to put the turtle?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
But I find it so interesting that somebody would even
ask you if you're married to Kim. Yeah, whatever their
intentions and maybe people you work with you the same.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
No, friends, I do, but I don't. I don't pay
attention to nonsense. You is my wife? Move on? You know?
Because I remember when I met Carmen.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Another gauntlet.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, yes, he had to go big daddy, and I'm.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Gonna and I want to bring this because of the
level of respect I have towards Kimberly sure and the
relationship that they have with my wife. So the first
well when we left your house that they were like
white he's staying.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
Back there, Yes, because we got there kind.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Of me, I said, I said to my wife, what
is ess doing back there?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Like I elevated to.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
And she's like their friends and we were like.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Friends.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
Yes, their friends. So he's still here.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
We met for dinner here in Freddicksburg and I had
to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
You had to talk to me.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
I had to talk to him. Let's go to the power.
Speaker 15 (40:02):
And I guess it's not to intimidate the other person,
but just to the other person to know that if
you touch her, potentially you may not walk tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
It happens, it's because it's because I didn't feel threatened
or anything.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You know, now that you know.
Speaker 16 (40:25):
A Latina tongue to Italian, we understand each other. And
when we talked, it was a good talk. It was
a good talk.
Speaker 8 (40:35):
It was a lover of respect towards each other and
towards Kimberly. It's because we have talked. I have heard
some of her background, and I didn't want a person
to come in and come and disrespect her because she
has a team that's going to support her and anything
that will happen to her, I would jump just just
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for that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know what, There's not a lot.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Of that anymore.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, there's not a lot of like the little community
that you have, like Okay, you screwed up. Guess what,
We're gonna go out to the woods and you know,
one of us ain't gonna come back.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Like the last time I had that, it was like
in the army and it's like, okay, we knew how
that goes with a protection thing, but like it's nice
to know that there's still people that do that right now.
Like my version was was with Kim. I was like
this is a joke.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I don't know, I think this is very funny how
this is going.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And now it's like, no, it gets weird that you like, really.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Truly do care about each other, love each.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Other, and it doesn't matter who thinks what because you
guys found love. You guys care about each other, and
you probably want to beat him on a daily basis.
I mean, I get, I mean, I really, I really
admire what you're saying and how you approach it. And
I don't think I've ever had anybody to do that
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with us, but you know I did that with him.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
Yes she did.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Oh yes, yes, she.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Handled it too because we were a.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Class.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Yeah, and we didn't know he was going to show
up that day because we were like, oh, we're gonna come,
and he said, oh, I might come, and then you know,
Kim and I were out dancing and then he shows
up and then she had words for him. It was
basically like, don't don't mess up, don't hurt my friend.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
But it was r rated, Yes, it was, Yes, yeah,
it was rat And in the same way he, you know,
feels about me, I felt about her and I'm still
feeling and I know what she's been through and I
did not want somebody walking into her life just just
to be there to show you know, your cute, you're handsome,
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you know, you may have it going on to.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
A certain degree.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But it was truly about how I felt about her
because we have a journey. We understand that we've been
through our journey, and she had been by herself for many,
many years.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I've been by myself, am.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So when you start to think about people who are
coming into your life, you're giving up. You're giving yourself
up again that you want to be able to trust
these individuals, right, And so I've wanted him to realize
you can mess up if you want to, but I
tell you can answer to me if you do.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I made it very clear.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that there was candor,
that there was honesty. We sugarcoat things as a society
because we don't want to hurt your feelings or make
somebody uncomfortable. But if you truly care about your community,
about the people who are important to you at any
level of importance, I think you owe it to the
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person coming into your community to, like you said, just
let it be known like you're not going to be disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You are expected to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Hold the door open, be courteous, beau dispussed because and
I think we see this a lot in you know,
where we go and some of the people that we
know they don't have it anymore. There is this disrespect
toward each other as a couple.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
That I will just say without saying so.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Not so long ago, we weren't out and as we
were engaging in conversation with another couple, the wife was being,
in my two cents, just not kind to her husband,
almost crapping on him for everything.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And I found it bothersome to me.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
And we left our time with the couple and we
got in the car and Chrys looks and he goes what.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
We know and it's like she made she she had
like like it might be yes, it tells or things
that I was crazy. It's just like when she does,
she has her like.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I do know that I am there there.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
For this conversation right now.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I find it disturbing if a husband to wife wife
husband can't support each other and promote that person. You
will never in a thousand years, regardless as to what
I think about something he's doing, hear me put him
down publicly.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
That will not happen.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
And to bear witness to somebody doing that, whether meant
to ingest, which I do not believe that was the intention,
But it's like, if you can treat your significant other
like that, how do you expect somebody who's on the
outside coming in to accept your spouse To.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
That point, if you were to bring up the fact.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Now I'm going to pick on you, Krim, because I
love you like stupid white boy, Like, how do you
expect somebody else to not pick that up and do
the same thing?
Speaker 14 (45:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:47):
You want to be treated and you want others to
treat and respect you the way you treat each other,
So for you to set the groundwork with him. Not
only did that speak volumes to your care for Kim,
it spoke volumes in my mind about or care for
your wife.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
These women are important to me. These women hold a.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Place in my heart, regardless as to what you might
see coming in. And I think that's so beautiful and inspiring.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Really, I want to be able to add to that.
I don't know you guys that well, but a couple
of times we have reacted, I could see the guys
on the same page. A lot of people they say
they want to get married. They we don't know the
definition been married. I want to be a wife, I
want to be a husband. I'm gonna quote this from
(46:36):
tdj's he's a pastor. He has helped me a lot
of the videos that have listened to, they say, he
pretty much talks about how are you gonna how are
you gonna come in and ask to be a wife
or a husband if you're not acting as a future
husband or as a future wife. But a lot of
(46:59):
people in this type with days, they don't. They don't.
I was talking to her a couple of days ago,
even with my father before this old school. A lot
of people, females with respect, they do not understand the
definition of being sexy and being beautiful. They think as
(47:19):
being exposing a lot from their body. It makes them beautiful, No,
it makes them what's the right word.
Speaker 10 (47:30):
Object?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Object? Exactly?
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Thank you for exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I am not saying, but truthful.
Speaker 8 (47:39):
Beautiful, sexy, attractive. It comes if we go back to
the movies down in fifty sixties, the females that way
used to dress. There's a sexiness in this. This is
an attraction. There's there's something in there that a lot
of people has forgotten that exposing your body to certain degree.
(48:01):
In their mind, they don't realize you're just a meet
and when you put yourself out there like that, they
come back to say, I can't find a great man
or a good man, or a man who loves me,
but look at yourself first if you want. And this
(48:23):
goes to a man too, because when we started dating,
one of the things is, in fact, I told Carmine too,
you got to be consistent the way you are from
the beginning. You have to be until the last day.
Pretty much, it's just the beginning. I open the door
for my wife absolutely. I always make sure that I
(48:45):
help her in what she needs. I'm not perfect, nobody's perfect,
but we both keep ourselves to the highest level at
all calls. When we're out with the same person, in
house with the same person. Kimberly knows this and nobody
knows about this right now. Is because when she having
a crappy day, I try to do my best. Well,
(49:06):
how can I lift her up? One of the things
that we have learned that we read books to help
us to grow, is how can we empower other people
and take her off our eyes of our own self
and put in somebody else. Because people are hurting across
the bar with everything that's happening, not just with politic yes,
(49:27):
with everything, how can you say hello to somebody and
say hey, I love you brother, or I love you sister.
People don't realize that just saying hello or giving a
smile to somebody it makes it different. But to make
that difference is you have to look at yourself and
(49:49):
make that different in your own and in you to
put it out there, because if you always look at
the negative, that's always going to be negative. If I
tell you my whole background in hours, you see this
right here. It's some type of polish. But I have
gone through a line. She knows that.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Somebody knows that.
Speaker 8 (50:10):
But when we have so much going on, it's so
negative and we put it to the world, you're not
helping that home.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
But I mean, I think you hit the nail on
the head. And I think with the topic that we
started with and that we that we're talking about, the
one thing is is that people need to realize, like
we like we said in the beginning of this podcast,
it doesn't matter what anyone looks like. You're looking at
(50:39):
the color of the skin and just to say hello,
how are you are you doing?
Speaker 7 (50:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (50:43):
People forget it's about being decent. It's about being kind
to your fellow person, to your wife, to your significant other,
which whatever whatever it is. Like I have a huh,
I have an after army mentor.
Speaker 9 (51:01):
And I would say he is somebody I.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Go to for advice with business and we yes all
the time. And the dude's white and he's gay and
his husband's black and he's gay, tallest black tude I've
ever met in my life. But it's like I never
have been like, Okay, yeah, you're gay, that's really weird.
But when he told me I had a black husband,
(51:26):
I was like, Okay, now it's kind of weird and now,
but no matter what, you still love the person. You
still engage with the person. And I met his husband
and they're great people. And I think that's what we
deal with as a society today is too many people
look at the outside, the outside or even like, oh
my god, you don't you're a different religion. I was like,
(51:48):
who cares.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Let the person be that person, like the status of
that right instead of as human beings.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
And collectively it's the label that becomes the problem. Absolutely,
And you you said about paying somebody a compliment. We
went to dinner last night and the woman was just
so sweet. The hostess just like, you have such a
pretty outfit on. I just wanted you to know that
you look very pretty.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Wow, you feel so good.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I was like, that is just.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
So genuine and so kind and it cost me nothing,
and yet it put me in a great mood. We
had a great dinner. We were not with the other
people and that whole thing, but it was just so
important to be able to say that, get you know,
bring it all together. Like here we have differences. Here
(52:41):
we are able to come as around a table and
say the differences between our race, our ethnicity, our religion,
or even our belief systems, whatever they might be, it
doesn't matter. Because if I can be kind to you
and you can be kind to me, and we collectively
can be kind to each other, how much more good
(53:03):
does that put out in the world compared to all
the negative? To your point, and there are plenty of
people out there that are going to be hateful, and
there are plenty of people that will judge, and it's rampant.
It is, it's rampant, right, So what can we do
to counterbalance that, and I.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
Think it might be just exactly the topic, bringing people
to dinner, you know, and just showing who people are,
because unless you sit down and talk and have a conversation,
as my husband will say, let's talk and have some tacos,
you know the problem.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
He's like, we'll sit down and have some tacos.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
But you know, if you sit down have a conversation,
then you get to learn who that person is instead
of just looking at the stereotype or the religion or
the politics, you get to know that person. And I
think that's how people connect, right, And maybe it is,
you know, having some dinner, all right, So at that point,
you know, I think what we're gonna do because this
(54:05):
conversation obviously is definitely a longer conversation.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
So we're gonna call this part one.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I guess you're coming home to dinner, and we will
move on to part two in five minutes. So for
those who are listening, we will be taking a break.
And I do want to remind you all though, before
we stop and go on to part two. If you're listening,
I want to remind you all that we really appreciate
you all for coming on. We also want to make
(54:32):
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