N.O.R.E. On Faithfulness In Marriage & Family + Running NYC Marathon

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
God comes up to me because he sees people taking
pictures of me. He's like, who are you? And I
don't want to.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Be like, yo, I'm a rapper or my podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
I don't want to say all that, so I had
to run thing on. I was like, all run, that's
what you said.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
I'm a runner.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
He goes, really, so what do you do? So I
go places and I run and I collect medals and
I'm like, you go, so how much do you get?
And then I was like, oh, get nothing. In fact,
I paid to get in the race. And he's like,
so do they fly you out here? I was like, no,
I flew myself out here, and I realize how stupid
I sound. I was like, yo to this guy. He's like,

(00:36):
this guy is out here. So I don't really promote
it to people who don't run. No more like I
just understand.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
This episode of RL podcast is powered by boost Mobile. Okay,
from left Rock City right to platinum plaques to being
a pioneer of the podcasts era, Today's guest has lived.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
In many chapters of hip hop.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
He is an artist, a mogul, a husband, now a grandfather.
From a drink chap to a run chap please walk up, happy.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
To be here. You know, first time here, right, the
first time here all your other shows, I.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Mean you many times over the years, but this is
a different era.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
The thing about us is that we've seen and been
and experience you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know, this era is like the instant era.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Like you know, you know, remember back in the days,
used to do like a source cover or like and
and and that interview went and dropped with three months.
The one thing that you gave me always, because you
gave me that instant gratification because you let me work
the hot onety seven phone line.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, people might not know this story.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
When I worked seven phone line whatever, I said that
people had called up and they gave me that. So
it was like a version of Instagram back then, but
it was. It was.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I always say that. I always say radio was like
the first social media.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah. Radio is a first analog analog as opposed to
this this is digital. Yeah, but here we are.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
What season of your life is this story?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, this is a very different season for me because
you know, I look at you and DJ College and
all of you guys, like you know, you guys have
this hobby of playing golf and you want me like
I want to be down, but it just didn't call me.
And then you know, have you tried it? I have
so such such bad influence friends that when I go

(02:40):
to golf, someone just gives me a beer and I'm like,
what are you doing? And then you'll see young Jez
and young.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Jez Jesus golfing t I is golfing.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
So I've influenced a bad way when I when I
went golfing my friend Ike, But so I wanted to
do that, and so what I what I wanted to
do is kind of like have a hobby like some
Then that made me uh happy, like you know that
that money really came buy So I checked into this
this race, there was a five k race. I didn't
let nobody know. I didn't even I don't even think

(03:11):
I told my wife. I think my wife tied me
up and I told her, like chill, just stay in
the bed, and like, I just wanted to know if
I could do it.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
He don't want the pressure.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Probably I didn't. I didn't know. So ironically my friend
studied DBT, who does not run at all. He came
out and he smoked my weed for the first time
and and then he drank and we and as I
was running, and then and and and It's funny as
hell because the race that I was entering and I
was dead, I had to be like number one hundred,

(03:43):
and people used to call me left rap. So the
announcer kept saying and left Rackers in the league, and
I was like, I was like, why is this guy
playing with me?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm clearly like one hundred and seventy.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
How is it? Well, come to find out, the person
that owns Left Back City was a marathon jogga and
was was running in that race.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
So wait, so running is like your golf, golf, golf
you I'm not gonna lie to you. When you pulled
up today and you got your friends, you got your
run Champ shirts on, you have like even I'm looking
at your skin, you just look I don't know, like
invigorated and like you are you have found something. Yeah,
that's a great thing. I was like, when you find

(04:24):
things and I think we don't. We came up in
the era where it's like everybody we were.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Trying to make something out of nothing. We were trying
to hunt and then hus the hustler spirit was what
we were raised on.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
So all we knew how to do was work, work, work,
and the harder you work, the more important you were.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
And we just valued work all the time. But at some.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Point, ship, like, at some point when do we get
to just.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Like go golf or go run without you without like.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I see y'all so happy, like and I was just like,
and it was it was something I was doing. I
was in the middle of it, and I was just like.
And then I went to Hawaii. It was it was something.
It was something like I got this weird story. I'll
tell it well after I ran that race. I didn't
want to be quiet about it, right, I had posted
it on my story. A little duval for some reason,

(05:15):
he pulled my fucking story. Like you know how you
put something on your story because you wanted to disappear
and you don't expect somebody to actually like pull that record.
So I want to me crossing the finish line. It
was two things I posted. I posted me running across
the finish line, and then I posted me actually a picture.
And for some reason, little Duvault, I don't know how,

(05:35):
he screamshot and this ship. It was like seven o'clock
in the morning up I guess he got his nerves.
Who just works for so anyway, so he sent me
this picture and he's making fun of me though he's like,
look how fast he's going, Like he's making fun of me.
He was having a little wall. But it reminded me
and Deny and I sign up for another race. I
forget where a race it was. And then I go
to Hawaii and I checked into this hotel is Honolulu.

(06:00):
I remember, we're right where I was at. As soon
as I took it to the hotel, we were drinking habiki.
We all everyone goes to sleep, and then I just
hear these horns and I'm like, what the hell is that? Like,
you know, I'm used to New York City noise. So
I go on my balcony and these guys are having
a half marathon right in front of my face. And

(06:20):
I was like, if God is not playing with me,
Like God is like, yo, I had nothing to do
with you. I had nothing to do with me at all.
But I was like I was, I was chasing these
races and I was being quiet about it. And then
I went on vacation and there and then and there
it is, and I literally woke up. I looked at
you know, my wife. I called my boy's room, I
called my other friend's room. All of them asleep, and
I just went and I just watched the whole marathon

(06:42):
from my balcony. It was just like is that was
something to me and my father used to do. So
now I have to come back and I have to
conquer this. I have to go back to Honolulu. I
have to run that race.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
You have to do it.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I'm running.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I already ran in Puerto Rico, but that was that
was the It was called run for a Beer.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
It was kind of like the way you mixed the
two year It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
But they have another thing called the Lola Challenge, and
it's it's like a like it's like this Puerto Rican tradition.
And you know, I just went to the Bad Buddy
Carcert feeling very Puerto Rican. So yeah, I feeling. So
I'm like, you know what, I always put this off
to next year, and this year has actually been my
You know how you always say I'm gonna do it

(07:22):
next year, I'll do it next year. Well, this year
has been my next year. I've done everything I've done
as far as vacation wise. The thing that I didn't
do was completing all the runs. Wise, So after the
New York City Marathon on November second.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
You are running it.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I am running it.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Second I got my congratulations?

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Is this? Are you announcing this?

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Now?

Speaker 4 (07:40):
This is the first time.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You're selling said it? But I said it. But this
is the first time I actually got the actual email
from the next to say congratulations sir, We'll see you there.
And they tell me that I'm gonna be in the
VIP section with Coco Choby. I don't know if you
know what Coco Choby is. He's a Michael Jordan of running.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
This is amazing, Number one, This is amazing. Congratulations.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
You deserve to have something that is not work related
that you put effort in, you commit yourself too, because
it really, like I don't know, it fills you up
right in a different type of way, and it makes
you better in your work.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
You're gonna kill this, by the way, I hope. So
now what as so long as.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You run so far, I've ran twenty miles, so you
got this.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
So I don't know that I'm the person to tell
you this, because you're gonna be in way better shape
than I was because you. We already done way more
running than when I did it. But the one thing
that I will say that from running, that that.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I'm so happy that I had.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Maybe you could take it or whatever, somebody else take
it for something else in life. The one thing I
woke up with the understanding because I thought I was
not gonna be able to do it because I was
in so much pain. I had hurt myself on the
long run before, and I convinced myself.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I need a mantra.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
I need something that something that I'm going to tell
myself that still, no matter what happens, you have to finish,
like you know, I need I need that. So the
thing I told myself and this like the night before,
it came to me and I woke up like that's
what I'm gonna just tell myself the whole race. I
was like, okay, First of all, I had raised over

(09:12):
one hundred thousand dollars for charity for Pitch for CC's
and Amber's Pitching Foundation, so I had to run for
the money. But I was like, okay, I'm gonna think
about this race like having a baby when you're nine
months pregnant.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
You don't know this because you've never been you've never
been pregnant, but you've witnessed it. Cloth, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
So when you have a baby and your belly, you're
nine months pregnant, you know the shit.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Is gonna hurt. You know that shit is gonna hurt,
you know, but but you can't. It has. The baby
has to come out. The baby has to come out,
no matter if you're scared, no matter if you're tired,
no matter if there's pain. The baby has to come out.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
So for me, what I thought, I was like, the
baby has to come out. But I'm saying for me,
I knew that that was the thing, and I literally
told myself the whole time I was running, I was like,
the baby has to come out.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
You can't.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
I can't lay down, I can't stop, I can't sit down.
You have to finish the race. The baby gotta come out,
Like I just so, what I'm saying is whatever your
thing is, it is very helpful in those moments. Because
they say around miles seventeen is that when you hit Queens,
you can.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Get invigorated in Queens because you're from Queens.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
But they say when you get to Queens is when
people like they say it's hard.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
And Kevin Hart he's like, dude, He's like when it
comes to working out, Kevin Hart is like the meanest
guy to me. Like I was like one time I
was in the gym and Kevin Hart walks in the
gym and he's just like you got to pick up
well wait, and I'm like, he's like this tall, crazy
seven feet tall and this guy just trained with him.
But anyway, so I posted posts and I'm saying like, hey,

(10:46):
I'm thinking about running for the New York City Marathon.
And he he hits me and he goes, well, you're
going to watch out for mile twenty two?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Like no inspiration, no, like.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yo, good luck, Like you know what I mean, looking
to great, watch out for mile twenty two. So that's
what peop even wanted me about that eighteen miles Queensborough Bridge. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 5 (11:42):
You might be invigorated on the Queens Queens and you
know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I said it earlier, but my father, you should take
me to do two things once a year and one
which would be the Puerto rican A Parade. And this
is back in the days where you can sit on
the coolers and me being eight years old, I can
sell beers like people didn't really care. And my father, Yeah,
my father and we used to sell beers and at

(12:08):
the marathon, the Queensboro.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Bread You sold beers at the marathon.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yes, well, my father at eight years old, this is when,
this is when?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
How does this work? You go down there with your dad?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yep, And he was he was a hustler, so he
would like he would have like a cooler and he
would tell my mom, you're going to look at the
race and we're going to going to participate in the
Poti weekon they parade. But we would sit down. I'll
sit on the cooler and he'd be like Papa right there, man,
Like yep.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
They didn't care back then.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Back then you can go to You could be eight
years old and go get your mother a pack of
cigarettes from the store.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
They knew your.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Mother, now I knew.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I used to go for my grandmother.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Sometimes I would go with the money that the government
would give her for food and they would let us
get the cigarettes and the bull.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
They would let us do the things. But wait, so
is that where you get is your dad?

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Where you get that like hustler spirit, that like work,
hard hustler spirit.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Absolutely, my father was a people's person to this day.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
If you go to Left Frack City, as famous as
I am, as much things that I have, I don't
have a mural in Left Frack City. My father has
a mural.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
He had a mirror when he was alive. You know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (13:10):
What was the mirror for?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It was because he was a boxer. Everything that my
father loved when he was alive, I hated when he
was alive, and as he passed away, I.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Endure all of them like from.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Wrestling like I used to be. I used to look
at him like, why are you watching wrestling? These men
and tights and like you know, and then boxing, and
then as he passed away, wrestling became one of my
favorite things. Boxing became my one thing, and then jogging
became up. I remember he's like even jogged with like
other people. And I used to be like that was
like so corny to me, and now I'm in a
run club, Like.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
It always happens to become your parents.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
You came in health, so that was that.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
That was the way was he always around? Did you
grow up?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't know how you grew up both of my parents.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I always kind of like, wow, you know, I might
have been, you know, financially poor, but I always felt,
you know, loved rich, you know what I'm saying, because.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, like I grew up with my father, I
grew up with my mother.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
My mother was a social worker, so like I kind
of had both parents and and it was it was
dope because I grew up black in Puerto Rican. Like
it's not a rumor. So I knew all the Puerto
Rican jokes and I knew all the black jokes, like
I knew.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Him who was black and who was perto Rican.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Mother was my mother's black. My father is Puerto Rican.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
When I tell you, my father's Puerto Rican, he's the
Puerto Rican with the new ports under his his thing.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
He got, he got, he got, he got air rings.
He has a tail. My father, my father passed away
with a tail.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
He never cut his tail, and he had he has
a hundred tattoos.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
He always wears tank tops and he had always a
chain on.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like and he was the he was the real, real,
real Puerto Rican of the Puerto Ricans.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
And that's why my neighborhood loved him.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
And so you lived in left Rack about the whole time, right, yes,
And they were together, were they were they're a happy.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Couple, you know, you know, you know it was dope.
I didn't realize. I said that to my my my
my wife the other day. I was like, ain't know what.
My father was a man's man. I've never seen him
flirt with another woman like I've seen him look of course,
like if someone walk by, you know, you just you know,

(15:14):
but I've never seen him go. And my father had
green eyes, like you know what I'm saying, Like I
used to see girls be like, oh, have a baby
with you because it's just goods you his green eyes,
you know what I'm saying. And so I said that,
and then my son said, I've never seen my father
do that neither.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
I like, oh, I was like, hold on, I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
And you know that's kind of dope for me because
hip hop we don't see that ship like, we don't
see that, and and they don't promote it. Fuck, I
don't even promote it. I don't promote Hey, I'm gloyal
a couple of home every night by any way you should.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I just don't know how to.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I don't know that market, you know what I'm saying. Like,
let's just you gotta know who you're selling to and
shit like.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't know that market.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
But the truth about you in your life, First of all,
you're married twenty five years, twenty five, you've been together twenty.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Five yeah, and we've been married yeah seven seventeen Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
You've you've been together twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Something like that, yep, yeah, twenty.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Married seventeen years, seventeen years. You got to be doing.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Something right, yeah, I mean I believe that. And a
loyal husband, yes, Yes, there's never been no roomors about me.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
You've never heard no in the streets.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, I don't like to be in the streets like like,
I ain't gonna lie like it's it's crazy, like even
some certain rappers like I hang out with. And I
do judge you if you're not loyal to your to
your cheer lady. And it's not about like me knowing
her and you introducing me to her. It's about you

(16:54):
actually because you're not actually cheating on her, you're cheating
on yourself. Like you know what I'm saying. I don't
know trying to like preach to this on you man,
Like I'm just saying, this is how I live. Because
if you if you can lay down and you can
disrespect a lady that you lay down with, who fees
your kids, and you know what I mean, who wakes
you up in the morning, and then what you're gonna
do this? You're gonna cheat me that ship? Yeah, what

(17:16):
the how the fucking I be? You know, you know
worth something to you if the person that's worth the
closest to you you have no respect for. So I
do judge people by that, you know what I mean?
All the time, is there's some people who you know
they work. There's good people, yeah, yeah, yeah, and also

(17:36):
you don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Also, you don't always know what goes on in other
people's relationships. Sometimes she could be cheating on him.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Sometimes they could have an agreement that you don't even
know about. I think everybody's relationship is different. Yeah, but
but you're right, it is not promoted enough. The idea
of Charlomagne talked about it a lot. We were talking
about that in the last episode, I think with Cardi,
because Carti has been through a bunch of shit, and
Charlottage was saying that once he be because he wasn't loyal,

(18:03):
once he became like honest with his wife, the blessings
started like.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Coming crazy, going crazy. But you don't hear that a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I believe. I believe that.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I believe I just heard this one, but I believe,
like it's karma like and you do right by people
and that comes back and it's just like I've read
something the other day and it was like you can
you can you can buy a watch, you can buy whatever,
but you can't buy being in shape, right.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
So it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's like you can't buy being lawyer, Like you know
what I'm saying, you can't like a person sees that.
You know, I'm gonna wanna. I'm gonna say I can
see the world different. Like when I was younger, I
would see a woman, I'm like, oh, and she's pretty
and that's all I can see, right, And you're like,
oh man, she's pretty right boom. But then when you're like, yo,

(18:52):
I don't want that. I don't want her, you take
the power away. So much like when a woman, like
a woman who's used to, you know, manipulating her beauty,
sees you and she can't Like I find it. I
find it like the most enthusiastic thing, the most vigorating
things for me to go to a strip club and
be like, don't touch me, but I'm gonna pay. I'm

(19:14):
gonna make it rain, Like just stay right there, I'm
gonna look. I don't want to be touched and I
don't want no no, no lap ask, no sitting on me, nothing,
but I'm going to make it pain. I'm going and
I'm gonna look. You know, that's it. And I find
it because it's like this power has nothing over me,
Like you know what I'm saying, and it's not and
it's not the strippers is not that. It's just that

(19:35):
I'm in control of my own life and as opposed
to me when I was a young boy, I can't
say no to nothing, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I guess you know I met my wife at the
white time because I got all that ship up out
of me. But yeah, being a rappers hard, it's hard.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Was there a shift in your life that's something that
something happened or did you decide that you wanted to
be in a you wanted to have this relation with
the relationship just happened.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know. Me seeing this is a this is definitely
a mess of bands, but me seeing other people in
relationship fell I was like, man, I think I can
make let me make my shit work because I would
see how like I would see how terrible other people
relationship And this is my my girlfriends too, like my
platonic girlfriends as well. Like you know, I would see
them wanting one hundred percent out of there, man, and

(20:24):
then they're they're going out and doing crazy shit and
then coming home and be like arguing, and I'm just like,
if you're not giving it one hundred percent and he's
not giving one hundred percent. None of this will work.
And I just realized I had somebody that was giving
me one hundred percent. Like you know, my wife was
was helping me raise my kids, and I was just like,
this is something I did and I made a partner.

(20:45):
Like you know, we went through COVID and we couldn't
order nothing, like we wanted to be healthy, and she
was like, yo, man, open up a juice bar, like
cause we had to go all the way to towns
over to get a juice to get a set of

(21:05):
because you know, they was telling you to do. So
my wife invested in that and now we have two
juice bars. We love that the original juice ball. Yeah,
now we have one on the beach.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
So so you got love, right, what is the what
is the best part of that?

Speaker 4 (21:21):
What is the like what have you learned about yourself?

Speaker 5 (21:23):
But what is something that you just really appreciate about
having a long term marriage.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's just happened somebody that got your back, you know
what I'm saying, Like, like, the one thing I wasn't
doing this year was saying no right every year, I said,
you know, next year, I'm gonna do this next year.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I'm gonna go to Portugu. Next year, I'm gonna go
to uh Spain.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Next year, I'm going to Meeking those and then I
swear to god, it was just like whoever invited me
anywhere this year?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I was just like, yeah, so and.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
So that's that's probably the best part is because you
know our kids have grown now. You know, they got girlfriends,
and they got beards, and they got their own barbers.
You know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know what,
we did a good job. They all in school.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
So now you're enjoying life, yes, and now we're enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And the one thing about her, I tell you this
is the best part. You asked me the best part.
The best part was I met her. I was miserable.
Winning sounds horrible, right, I was winning, but I was
miserable because I was used to traveling around the world

(22:30):
and I got I got like, I got like, oh whatever,
going back to Paris?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who cares like going to Dubai?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And when I got with her, she was like, who
the fuck complains about going to Paris? And I was like,
I didn't realize how I sound like because I've been
there like seventeen times prior to that. And then we're
going to London, We're going to Germany, and I'm traveling
all over world.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
But she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Realize I have to be here, so I have to
be have to pay the if I don't take these
these tours. They come a time in every artist's life
where America is just not messing with you. But if
you go to Europe you can still live like a king.
So I figured that out. And what I was doing, Andrews,
I was miserable. I was checking to the hotel. I
would watch Jerry Springer or Maury Povie or something like that,

(23:18):
and they'll be in their language, and I just figure
it out because I saw every episode anyway. And then
I was I'll sit there and then and she would
be like when I finally like, you know, we got
together and she came to me to Paris.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
She woke me up and was like, we're going to
the Eiffel.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Tower, all all the ship that you think you think
is corny, Like you know, we don't go to the
fucking Statue of Liberty.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I've never been to the Statue of Liberty.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I know now. She made me do all that. She
made me go to the restaurants, she made me try,
she made me try a duck, and then I just
started and then I started to love this ship. And
then I realized that, you know, but I realized I
was frequent these places and some of these people that

(24:01):
I met wearing groupies, some of these people were real allies.
And I realized, I have to come to Germany seven
times a year. So I formed the crew in Germany.
Dudes who dog in Germany. I formed the crew in Berlin,
formed the core at Frankfurt, and they were all represented
by crew. So when people will come to the how
the fucking crew in Germany? Because I would be there
seven to eight times a year. Wow, I figured out

(24:21):
how to make it living. So the best thing that
it's hers. She she made me live. She didn't make
me just work like you know what I mean. She
didn't be a part of me just working. She was like, yo, listen,
we're gonna go to Paris and you got work there,
but we're gonna enjoy ourselves, run around and we're gonna
eat with some ship craps, craps whatever, crap crapy yeah, crape, Yeah,

(24:45):
we're gonna eat the Chocolate King and the cheesecrd.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I don't even know they had that ship.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
You deserve it, man, you deserve it. What about parenting
and now grandparenting? What does that taught you?

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Because it was it's probably very different from when you
first became a father.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes, you're a different human. How about is your oldest
I believe he's thirty. He believes well, but my grandson.
It's terrible because I'm saying this on camera. He's going
to be the most spoilous kid. Yeah, he has my
face like he actually like I can pick him up

(25:28):
and I can tell like like he wants my cell
phone or something, and I'll hold him and.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Then he'll just give me that look like let me
get thirty seconds. And then he'll take.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
My phone and he'll slob on it and I'm like, oh,
and I'll wipe it down and I look around.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I just give it to him again, like I'm just
he's not. He's not. I didn't realize that, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know, one, I never never pictured myself as a
as a grandfather, and I actually wanted to have another baby.
And then me seeing him, I was like, this is
even better. I can see you what I want. But yeah,
it's it's a spiritus, it's a spirence that I'm enjoying, Like,
uh yeah, I'm enjoying it, and uh your mush, Yeah yeah.

(26:13):
I love that he's coming to see me and and
I'm telling his parents, uh to go vacation and they're chilled.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know, He's gonna just be with me.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Even my wife is like, I was like, you know what,
I need to reiterate how to learn how to change patterns.
So I'm gonna do it, and he's gonna scream and
it's gonna be It's.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's gonna be great. So I'm looking forward to being
throw up on and peed on.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I don't even what is he gonna call you? Well, Papa, okay,
you going with that?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And he's like halfway calling and ship so it's like
it's dope.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Grandfather is crazy.

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You know, it's funny because we talk I have a
lot of women guests on the show, and we talk
about how women deal with like getting older and aging.

(28:35):
We don't talk to men about that a lot. And
what happens to you guys, because for women there's older shit.
It's like how we look? Are we sexy? Are we this?
Do we can we get? Like some of them are actresses,
can they get the same type of roles? Like how
society makes you feel as a woman who's getting older,
I wonder for a man, what does that experience like?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I love it. I love it as long as shape
like right, getting older and not having it together, but
getting older and being aware of your environment. You know.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
There's people who there's people who don't get older.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Right. They have a friend, he's been some other drugs
his whole life. He has nothing. So maybe he's fifty five,
but in his heart he's never left fifteen. He has
no aspiration. Here has no inspiration, He has no motivation.
So when you have to answer your question, getting older

(29:37):
is something dope? Like if you ever ever see that
guy that you know what I'm saying that ask that
gray beard on and he's coming down and he got
this tight ass shirt on and he's he's getting in
his Lamborghini and shit like, this guy's happy. Man.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know why, he's been through life.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
He saw a life so and he didn't short change life. So,
you know, getting older I believe.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I believe it's dope.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I believe it's dope as long as you like, you know,
keep it together, you know what I'm saying, because and
you know, don't try to be like the youngest I
get I get that. They say hip hop is a
young age. Four tour four album is probably one of
the best albums ever and Jay made it. What it's
forty eight years old or years old? I mean, cater

(30:23):
to your audience. I love what NAS is doing. Like
NAS is not talking to the eighteen year old in Queens.
Where's He's talking to the forty four year old that
works at ups Now. He's talking to the you know,
the guy who has a career who grew up with him.
This is allmatic and I believe that we can grow
with our fans and we can grow like that in life.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like who the thought.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm forty eight years old and this is the this
is the time I want to run a marathon. Yes,
this is the time. Come on, bro, like you.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I don't believe you have to this.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
By the way, I don't work for this guy at all.
I don't this guy named Brian Johnson, right, just look
him up, right, he's he's a white guy.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
He sold his company for like a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Right. So I was on YouTube one day and I
just scrolled across his his I was watching David Goggins.
I don't know how David Gogin is related to this guy, right,
And then Brian Johnson comes on and he says, hey,
I think we could live to one hundred.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
This is something that I wanted to hear, like you're
interested here here.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You don't hear nobody say yo, I think he would
live to one hundred. So I start following this guy.
I bore all of his his his products. And why
wouldn't I listen to somebody like that? Why wouldn't I?
How old is he? He's he's not a hundred. No,
he's not a hundred, but he does. I'm gonna be
honest with you.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
He doesn't look no age.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I can't even tell you.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
You know what I.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sobows is it Bob Johnson or Brian Just I forget?
But he he sold his company and he runs this thing.
It's called Longevity Mix, Right. I took it. I love it.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
But what I'm saying is I think I know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, in fall short right of wanting to live one
hundred forever and you fall short at eighty nine. It's
pretty It's something pretty dope, like there's there's there's there's
things that happened, and that's not what we learned in
the hood. You know what I mean? Like, I read
a book called uh, how to Eat to Live Biologic Muhammad,

(32:17):
and I've read that twenty twenty five years ago, and
that's that's number one diet right now. It's a minutely
fast he said this in twenty five years ago. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
It all comes back, It all.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Comes back or ozimpic. That's it, you understand, that's it.
It goes about ozimpic people.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
You know you're talking.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
About before running for beers and stuff and people always
trying to give you. How does because you've created this
whole brand around drinking, Yes, so do people expect you
to drink all the time? How does that align with
how you're trying to live this new life?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
The worst it's the worst thing in the world of
me walking through the airport and it's like and it's
like I related to like what what right?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
When I had this song?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
What what?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
People comeing to me?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
What what?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
What? I'm like, you know, I'm having a coffee, like
I'm having a muffing, Like I'm with my kids, teacher,
we're here, we're discussing and people what what what?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But that's that's my life.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
But if you had to like even personally like regulate that,
because yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Because right now I'm not drinking at all. Even on
on the podcast, we just had the Eulyssa's brothers and
they God blessed them.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
This is a classic episode. They got so drunk.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Then you weren't drinking. They didn't even notice I wasn't drinking.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
So why are you not? Because you're training?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
No, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold it down,
uh until the quoit release.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Quite Nas has a restaurant in Las Vegas, uh called.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Well, he has one in Miami and he has one
in New York, but they opened it in one of
in Vegas and they invited me to that, and I
told you, I'm not saying nothing that no to nothing.
So I'm going out there. I love that. That's why,
you know, I don't know if you notice you called me.
He's like, yo, so we're trying to do that.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, I know. I was like, yeah, I'm in Miami.
I know we were trying to do the podcast.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
He said, yeah, I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I was like, oh, okay, I didn't even tell you
where or when.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
If you ever seen Jim Carrey movie.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes Man, I'm a yes man.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh yeah, what is that?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
What is that about?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh you never seen?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yes I have, But like, what is your reason for
being yes?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, because I've always been like I'm a virgo, so
like I'm like I overthink everything.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
So I've been doing that for years, for years, like
somebody will say, and I'm having my birthday at tex
and Kikos, and you give me an ampler amount of
time for me to prepare, and then I forget and
then I'm like, oh okay, and then I don't. I
wound up not going. And I've missed so much things
in my life because of that, because me not being

(34:44):
on point and me saying, you know what, I'll do
it next year.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'll do it next year. And this was finally this
year it was just.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Like, you know what, So I've done I've really pretty
much done everything, including Bad Bunny.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
What I said, I'm on everything, including Bad Buddy.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Let me hold on going to see Bad Bike.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Didn't going to see Bad Bunny.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
When I look at reggae Throe, reggae throne is something
that I kind of like risted my life for, right,
you know, one of my best friends, not just my
rapper best friend, but one of my best friends is
Fat Joe, and Fat Joe actually had a meeting with me,
Like he sat me down and was like, I don't
want you to do reggaeto man. The fen is also
one of my best friends. The friend had the same
meeting with me. Fado had be in New York.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Friend had it with me.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
They didn't see reggae throw right, they didn't see when
it was going. But they also wasn't traveling to Puerto
Rico frequently like me. Like I was going there seeing
my aunts. I was going there seeing my brother. My
brother had a house out there at the time, and
I was seeing and I was also seeing this beautiful
dance scene when you see a latina dancing and you
know it's very sexual, but it's just like it's something

(35:51):
about this that you know, there's no fight's gonna happen tonight.
And I was used to bang banging gon Y and
everyone that gets in the head of the bottle of
my wet it's like this, if if they don't fight,
I don't feel like I did the show, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So and then I go to reggae Throe.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
And so my point of bringing this up is I
definitely doesn't have anything to do with the invention of
reggae throng. But when it comes to reggae thro invading America,
I was the forefront of that. People you know, including
my own friends, was telling me not to do it.
And the first time you ever heard of reggae throne
record on Hot ninety seven is me.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
The first time of reggae throne record was.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Then the first time ever was added to a power
one on five station K two U station in America
and in full rotation, I had one hundred and ninety
three million in audience. I was beating Mariah Carey. Yes,
this is the truth. We can stand up to this.
The first time a reggae don't added to MTV and
regular rotation me, first time there is BT regular rotation me,

(36:56):
first time the award show at BT ME Like I've
done that. I've sacrificed so much. And no, I don't
know bad Bunny, but in some way.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I got something to do with you.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I got something to do with your success. And I
say that playing around, but I don't say it playing
around me. You feel connected to anything that comes and
and and again. One of the one of the best
feelings in the world was when Joe had the second
meeting with me, and you know, this is my friend,
Like it didn't matter if he disagrees with me. I
disagree with certain things he does. But he sat down

(37:31):
and he was like, I'm sorry, and I was like,
I should have met the world to me. He's like, yo,
I'm sorry, I should I should have rolled with you.
I should have I should have seen how how you
saw And then he offended the same thing. They was like, Yo,
I'm sorry, bro, And I was like, you know, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
I love that you have those friendships too, that you
can have those type of conversations and they could be
sorries after you always seemed to have really good relationships
in your career, like and not just business relationships, like
even that you and Nas are still friends to a
point where you're gonna go to Vegas to support him.
And I know you and Joe's friendship obviously. I just

(38:07):
because male friendship is interesting today because not everybody Sometimes
guys don't girls always like you know, they're known to have,
like we can be emotional and vulnerable. I always wonder
about male friendships, how much you guys actually share with
each other.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
What makes a good friendship?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Like you seem to have managed him for a long time,
but what do you think makes a good friendship?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know, see it's different, right, Rapper friendship is something different, right,
tell me And this is this is gonna sound really crazy,
but it's gonna be. My rapper friendship taught me more
than my street friendship and my people that like, I

(38:54):
just know, you're in real life, your real life friendship
if you if you have, and you're gonna notice, But
I'm gonna say this to the audience. You can hang
with a rapper for five days straight, y'all getting along everything,
and then this guy will just disappear. You might have
never speak to this guy again. This guy done changed
his number. He got a number one. Here he's duggie

(39:18):
now like he's clapping his hands. And these guys will
change on you. And and this this this period of
time that you guys spent is he rased and you
have to actually adapt to that as opposed to the
streets where you have like oh, I don't want to
say the streets, but like you know, non rap where
you have a friend y'all hit it off and nothing

(39:39):
really kind of gets in between that. Like, that's why
I love my relationship with bust of Rhymes. Like Bustin Rhymes,
I don't have to speak to bust of Rhymes six months.
I can see bust A Brons somewhere. You gone, and
I know he's gone. He's gonna hug the shit out
of me. He's going. I gotta shut up, like I
can't be like you hugging me to No, this is

(40:00):
this is my friend, He's not my rat friend. Buster
has been there for me and that's that's that's a
that's a great relationship. But then there's other people like
you know, like one thing about being in this game
twenty five years, you see people go up and you
see people go down. I've never prayed on people go down,
but I've seen that attitude of when they go up,

(40:21):
and I'm like, yo, kid, you haven't many You have
no idea how many other people in your same position,
and they were asshole and when they came down, no
one gave him a parachute.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
No one gave him a parachute.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Like, oh my god, there's so many of those like
there's people sometimes and I'm like, why is that person?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
That person had.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Significant impact when they were popping, Why is there Why
did their legacy not sustained through assholes? Because people don't
want to shout your name or remind people of your
contributions when you.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Were not good to people.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
And so that really is a testament to like, how
you treat people, it will, you know, affect how you are.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I remembered, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Wish I learned, Well, you said something earlier, right, and
he said, it's will go out relationships. The thing about
it was when I was on the streets, I never
had the best product. I never had, you know, But
what I had was I had had to talk. I
wouldn't make them feel like crackheads. I would make them
feel like, you know what I mean, Like I'm hanging

(41:26):
with them, like hey, what's up man. I remembers like,
you know, their their their their girlfriend's birthday and its
like that, and they would be like, all right, cool.
Even though I ain't have the best ship, they would
want to come and hang with me or say or
just just do. And I've transferred that into the music business.
I always knew, you know, I'm never going to be
uh that that maybe that a lister right like that,

(41:47):
like you know the Top, the jay Z, the Kanye West,
that Byanna's the Nazis. But you know what I'm gonna
be not minus. I'm okay with that, you know what
I'm saying. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Sometimes a B plus sometimes sometimes it be minus.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's okay. I'm right there. I go to the same restaurants,
I have the same watches, I have the same cars,
but I'm just a step behind. I'm good with that.
I have to You have to know who you are,
to know where you're going. And I just enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm just enjoying this ship, like like.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
This is ship, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (42:19):
I do I get that. So I heard that you're
writing a book.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, I am Simon.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I love this for you.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Yes, I think everybody should write a memoir at some
point in their life, whether you put it out or
you don't put it out.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's such a therapeutic, dope experience. Have you started?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
He started?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Oh, it's done.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I'm holding out until after the marathon.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
You know what I mean. You have to include it,
have to include it because I'm including the training right now,
and the guy's flying out Friday, and so we're gonna
sit down because obviously the audiobook too, so I got
to go over that part too. But I can't close
it without this marathon thing because on one on one hand,
I believe the marathon is the ending of a chat.

(43:00):
But on the other thing, I feel like this marathon
thing is a beginning whole new thing, you know what
I'm saying. Because, like, let's just face it, I got
a show called drink Caps. If you listen to you know,
all my albums, I'm not representing the healthiest guy in
the world. So for me to go from that, I realized,
I'm an extremists. I realize I'm either extreme this way

(43:21):
or I'm extreme this way. I don't have it, and
so I have to include that. I have to include
you know. You know, this is the hardest thing I've
ever did in my life. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I can hire a trainer, I can hire people to
run with me, but no one can't run for me,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So that's the reason why I like and I've had doubts.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Listen, I woke up when I did the twenty miles
and now you know, you gotta love Instagram and I
was like, yo, I'm scared and there was just nothing
but people just sitting me. Fuck fuck you're scared of
And I'm like, like, Yo, you can't be scared.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
To run twenty miles.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Can't you have me, the toughest guy in the world
out of here?

Speaker 4 (44:07):
The holiday season is upon us.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I know it came so fast, right.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
So one thing I am working on in my home
is trying to make my home feel festive. And also
I have a lot of people over for the holiday,
so sometimes that means any extra chairs and things. And
I started thinking about my grandmother, my grandmother. I come
from a family where my grandmother would host every year
with second cousins, third cousins, and she had a very
small home, but she hosted a big party and everything

(44:34):
in the house would be dripping in holiday things. I
mean everything for the toilet had like a Santa Claus
on the toilet. The napkins in the house were Christmas napkins.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
I mean, if there was an inch of her.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
House, it was dripped in holiday And I don't want
to do that, but I do like the idea of
recreating that much joy and that much festiveness in my home.
And there's so many things at Wayfair that you can
get for that, and they don't have to be like
the Santa Claus on the toilet, whether it's candles or

(45:07):
tablecloths or just extra seating because I do have extra
people come in the house. Folding chairs. You can get
great folding chairs at Wayfair. And the good thing too
is you can order that stuff and it comes right
to your house without having to pay for delivery, which
is super helpful or out lugging it having to run
to the store and get all that stuff and packing
the car and then packing out it.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Know who wants to deal with that.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
So for the holidays, really it is a great It
is my go to place for just like judging up
the house to feel festive around the holiday season and
also setting up to host to invite people over and
the more people that are normally in my house and
to accommodate for that, which usually means extra chairs. Maybe
you wanted to get some new you know, plates or tableware,

(45:48):
and of course Wayfair.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Has all that great stuff and all the things to
make you feel really festive. So I'm gonna be spending
a lot of time with Wayfair over the next month
getting my home ready for there, so you can take
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was the what was the hardest part of the book

(46:23):
to revisit?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I talk about my father has down. Yeah, talking about
my father and talking about Pun because I didn't realize
one how young me and Pun was at the time.
You know, you feel like you're grown. You're platinum. He's platinum,
and he got the big TS chain on and he

(46:45):
you know, we were running around, We're going everywhere like
like uh, like I told you, it's one of the
best stories of my life is me going to get
him in the fat farm and him making me go
get him fried chicken and COR's light and tell him me,
uh the skin off, like and like, I didn't realize

(47:08):
how much of a great person poet was and I
didn't realize how much of him missing.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Changed the whole trajectory of life after.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
That for you, Like, I mean, for you, what did
I watch the other day and I fucking got emotional?

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Are you an emao guy? What was the last time
you cried?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Ah? When I actually booked my room for the New
York City Marathon, it's because real, yeah, because it's real
to me now, Like it's real, Like I got the
congratulations email and it's like, I want to do this.
I know my father is looking at from heaven. I
know my mother. My mother is worried about me. She

(47:48):
cannot stop being my mother because of her birthday is
on my fourth, so I'm running it on the second.
So I want to celebrate her birthday the day before
and I want to take her out to the city.
And she's like, but you're going to need rest, baby,
and like your son is a superhuman. Don't worry about it.
Just come outside and come get some food and celebraid
and get some balloons and flowers and you know what

(48:10):
I mean. But yeah, that's amazing. Tears, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Because again I don't this is crazy. I don't promote
running to people who don't run. Right. I know that
sounds crazy, right because he sounds stupid. What do you

(48:31):
mean I would this? This is a perfect example. If
you're not a runner, I'm not gonna actually get in
a conversation with you about running. I'm just I'm just
so sorry because I realized I sound stupid.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
I realized, like, that's like me with golf.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I mean talking to people. People are looking at me like,
you know what, you're not gonna relates. God comes up
to me because he sees people taking pictures of me,
so obviously with I mean, he wants to me, He's look,
who are you? And I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Be like, yo, I'm a rapper or my podcast.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I don't want to say all that, so I have
to run thing on. I was like, all run, that's
what you said.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I'm a runner.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
He goes, really, so what do you do? So I
go places and I run and I collect medals. He goes,
what do you get? So I get the medals? Sir,
I'm like, you go, so, how much do you get?
And then I was like, I'll get nothing. In fact,
I paid to get in the race, and he's like,
so do they fly you out? Here. I was like, no,
I put myself out here. And he's like, do they

(49:35):
vide a car service? And I was like no, And
I realize how stupid I sound. I was like, yo
to this guy. He's like, this.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Guy is out here, so it's whole life. And so
I don't really.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Promote it to the people who don't run no more
like I just understand it's okay, I get it, I
get it.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
But I do think it's important for people to find
whatever their thing is.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
And as a generation, I don't think we spend enough
time look for those like I wish to god I
would have found golf so much earlier number when I'd
be way better at it.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Y'all, watch, it's not too lay for you. You can
come out all right.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
I'm gonna put you in my in real life balls
or in real life questions.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
What I do anyone?

Speaker 4 (50:14):
One? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Coolick one?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Watuning cookie?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Okay, fortun cookie question.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
This is a financial decision you're proud of, and one
you learned the hard way. Oh what I learned the
hard way is.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Lending money. Lending money. I'd rather just them acts.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Can I get because when you use that word lend
and I got you on Tuesday. It's just just wait
till Tuesday then, right, and then you'll have it. You
have yourself, right, you can always say that. But lending
money is a terrible thing and it changes the relationship.
You got to really really trust this person or really

(50:58):
really trust the situation.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
So that's the worst thing I did.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Some of the best things I did was, you know,
going to have coffee with these watch people and just
sitting down and buying a watch for seventy five thousand
that winds up being five hundred thousand, you know what
I'm saying, Like, and you can actually enjoy your art, Like,
you know, you could buy a boss gyat right now,
but who how many people are going to invite to
your house? Like, you know, you you could buy an

(51:24):
Andy Warhole, but like, how many people who's coming to
your house a year? Like it's it's probably only like
five to ten people you trust, right, like like really
really trust, like and they don't give a fuck a
bunch your boss yt I can have. So you invest
in watches, Yeah, I invest in watches. I invest in
other things. I don't want to, you know, blow up everything.

(51:47):
But yeah, that's that's one of the things that I
invested and I enjoy in and I can actually write
off if you if you do it the right way,
you know what I mean. But it's something I'm very
very very very interested in and I did can get
into it watch collecting to make money at all. I
got into it because I love it, and it's something
like again, you know, we need hobbies, man like we

(52:10):
need like and I love my three I'm not flassing.
My three watch consultants is Jay Z, Kevin Hart, and
Mark Warburg. Okay, Mark Warburg always hits me back, whether
he doesn't like to watch or not.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
How does this go?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Heart hurts my feelings.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Kevin Hart will give me the thumbs down so fast,
and I'm like, you know how you about the wire?
And Kevin Hart he'll take like an hour or something like,
he won't hit me right back, and then he'll hit
me the thumbs down. I'm like a hold up. And
then Jay, if he doesn't like the watch, he's such
a respectful guy, he just ignores me and I take it.

(52:54):
I get the answer.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I'd be like, all right, cool.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
But then if he likes to watch, he'll say something
like get that bitch, and I'm like, how I'll read it.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I don't know if he's saying it that way, but yeah,
probably get that. And yeah, so I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
And like like I like, I have whole conversations with
Mark Warburg. We have never spoke about a movie or podcast. Nothing,
will just be speaking hours about watches. And it's just
like it's another hobby of mine and I fully enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Okay, rich hobby.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
That's a that's a rich rich because I just want
to omeg us watch and I got so many compliments
from this. I got two of them too, and and
everyone thinks it's like ten thousand, that's a three hundred
dollars watch.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
That's what I don't have the heart to tell them.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Okay, but yesterday, but generally watch. It's a rich fan sport,
all right. Another one?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Where is your regret? What is one regret?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
You have? My one regret? I have? Well, I have two.
The Nettunes at one point came to me we did Superdug.
Super Dog was number one at the time. People were
still getting beasts from them, but I was like their

(54:11):
best salesman, Like I was like because because I was
like the first person even though there's other people that
worked with Neptunes prior to that, I was. I was
the one promoting them, like I actually put their name
in the record in ep TU and esked the way
they used to be like one of the best. I
remember me asking for Real to actually go in the video.
He's like, no, I'm a behind the scenes guys, like, no,
you're not something about she was behind the scenes, sir,

(54:35):
like you're good there, and Chad did it and they
actually they basically came to me and was like sign me.
And I was so young in the game. I was like,
I'm gonna sign you the Tommy Boy, I'm going to
bring you to jay Z, I'm going to bring up
I brung them to everybody but myself.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I could have and I'm not saying I could have
pulled that deal off.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
What I'm saying this, at least I had that opportunity,
and I was so young and so dumb that I
couldn't even They were like, hello, like Uniferson, that can
help me because I was ill. And my second regret
is the same exact thing. Daddy Yankee is same thing
Daddy Yankee. He again, I don't know if I could

(55:16):
have pulled this deal off. But he was basically saying, yo, bro,
you introduced me to the Americans, want me to do
to America? And Dame, I'm not talking about you. I'm
just saying about this is the situation, this situation. I
don't want no smoke, we don't need no Dame. But
but it hurt me. I brung him the Dame dash

(55:38):
and Dame looked at him up and down and was like,
give him some rocket wear gear. M I was crushed
because I'm like, that was the worst response this guy.
Did you know what he wound him getting like twelve
million dollars and Dame, he would have he would have
probably took a million.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
He probably took five hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
He just wanted to be He's wanted the this is
reggaeto and.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
It was like Dame two weighted. He said it in
his face.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
I'm going to push you a little bit because I
think those are work regrets.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Okay, work regrets you my life.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
I'm talking about in real life, like real life regrets,
like do you have any things that you've done or
ways you treated someone I don't know, just anything, ways
you've managed situations or I don't know any.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Real life regrets. I know it's a harder question, right,
A lot.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Of life regrets.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Really.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, well, my friends, it's crazy because we spoke about
bust and rhymes earlier, my friend's steph, before we heard
of mental.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Health and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Like I knew what mental health was, and he was
like my he's like my friend. We grew up and
he went to jail and he came home and I
could tell he was a step like, you know, like
a step behind, and instead of me trying to get
help for him, I just hung hung with him and
I acted like I ignored it. And that's another regret too,

(57:15):
is with Pun. Pun showed me signs that he was sick.
I ignored it, like that sleep happening airy thing, Like
I would talk to him and he would fall asleep on.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Me, and I would think I was boring. I would
think it was.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Me, so like, let me step by game up when
he when he wake up, they'll wake up. And I
would do that. And those are the two regrets. Is
because maybe I should have said something. I don't know
if I could have helped, Like I remember flex rest
and peace flex as well me sitting at Pun's casket, yeah,
terror car flex resting piece, and he rubbed it on

(57:53):
my shoulder because you remember, like everyone had like.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Two minutes or five minutes, and I was just kind
of like numb.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I stood there in my my knees kind of like buckled,
and I was just sitting there because like Pum was
really like my friend, and I'm just sitting there. And
I remember Flex rubbing my shoulder like, yo, he's in
a better place now, he's not suffering. And I remember
me looking at Flex like what you mean suffering? And
I understand how naive I was. Like when I was

(58:20):
seeing it, I related it to everything else but what
it was. And I don't know if I was naive
or if I was just ignoring it or if I
was we were just having so much fun at the time.
It was just like I don't want to deal with reality.
I don't know what's three of it, or maybe it
was all three. But that's something I regret him, like
every time I jog and every time I feel like

(58:42):
my skin is melting off of me, and you know,
I'm trying to reverse my ageism and I'm trying to
live forever.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
That's the first thing I think about, is Punt. Really
it's the first thing I think about.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
What would you have done? Though? What could you have done?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know? You know I was very influential on Punt
and Plumb was very influential on me ignoring not ignoring
the signs, but not like being proactive and a person
life that I could have helped, you know what I'm saying.
And but but that wasn't like financial or nothing like that.
But my friend Steph I could have helped out financially.

(59:19):
I knew there was something wrong, but you know, in
the hood, like we're so tough people like. It was
a hard conversation with me to say, like, yo, you
want to go see somebody like you want to like
And the night we interviewed Busta Robs, they told me
my friend Steph had killed herself but he did it
like o Dan. And it was crazy because the next

(59:40):
day Buster Robbins calls me and goes, there's something wrong
about you. And that's how much me and him is
like friends too, like because you know, I'm a tough
guy too.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I'm trying to be a tough guy.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
So and that's the one and only time we've never
used to drink champs every other time.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I don't care if the person throws up, don't.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
What do you mean to use it?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
We didn't use it.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I was. I look back at the footage and I
could just see myself dozing off. I can see myself
like I was in a zone like because and then
I had that guilty conscious of damn, you knew that
with pun. How could you let this slip with him?
You know what I'm saying. So I'm dealing with that.
And then and and Buster like the friend that he is,

(01:00:19):
Like I said, he called me the next day and
he's like, there's something wrong about you. There was something off,
And I was, and I went I looked at the
footage and I was like, oh shit, I was like, we.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Can what could you have done there? Though?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Either also maybe offered help or but I mean, really
you can't. You can't. Sometimes you can't. It's you know
what I mean, I don't know what you could have done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I guess it's just the human side of me, Like yeah,
like I don't know, it's just the human side. You
always feel like you could have did more, you know
what I'm saying. You always feel like you know, you
could have been a better friend. And that's that's just
how I felt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Do you do you believe in therapy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Like do you you actually do believe in therapy?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Do you like it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I like it? I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I've done it in marriage boot camp.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I've done it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Actually, I grew up in my mother is a social work,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
So we had like family therapy and that I believe.
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
You know, not holding this this end like you know
what I'm saying, Like you you like this life is crazy,
like you know what I'm saying. So like you have
to talk talk to somebody, and sometimes talking to a
stranger is kind of easy, you know what I'm saying,
Because like I talked to mister Lee right now, right
and I said, I'll throw some some deep shit on them, right,

(01:01:40):
like some deep shit on them. You don't never know
five years from now we be arguing, like man, you remember, man,
you you know how to tell your shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Since you was sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You know what y'all told you that in a confidence
you know, like like it can happen like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
You know that therapist will never do that, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But yeah, I believe I believe that people from the hood,
we just we it's meant for us to release and
to talk. Yeah. Yeah, that must have.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Been interesting for you to be because I'm if I'm
thinking of you as a kid doing therapy and left right,
I'm sure not all your friends were doing the same.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
No, no, but but you know what is crazy, Like
I said, my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Was a social worker, so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
You know, birth control pills and all that. Girls us
to come to my career and getting for my moms.
You know what I'm saying. My moms used to be
like like hold them down, help them get pregnancy tests
and things like that, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
So they were kind of used.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
So when we were going to therapy, I guess we
was going to a family therapy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
So with your parents, what a beautiful way to set
your kids up to them know how to have a
seventeen year marriage later in life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
What is something that stayed with you from family therapy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I don't know if I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Learned this from family therapy or this is my father
is instilling this from family. It was like, yo, if
one of y'all fight, y'all all fight, Like, what do
you mean my brother, Like yeah, and like we just
we stuck together.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Like, you know, I feel like that was probably your father,
I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Like saying in front of the therapist, Yes, yes, but
I just what I really learned is family come.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
First, you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Like I've been that kid that grew up having thanksgivings
all the time, Like you know what I mean, Like
I didn't miss no thanksgivings. And I had grandparents too,
so it wasn't just like I had. You know. Fortunately, Uh,
both of my grandparents was probably a racist. My black grandfather.
He had the worst Puerto Rican jokes. You know. We

(01:03:43):
used to say to me, my black grandfather, No Joseph side.
I used to walk into the things. He's be like,
oh my god, they here, how the silverware? You know,
I didn't know. I didn't know how racist that was
back then.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
So in real life questions, you ready, Uh, in real life,
what do you pray for most?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
That's a great question in real life, But I played
for most. And I know it's gonna sound cliche, but
I really pay pray for peace, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I believe we live in a we're living in a
bad time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
I believe a lot of people are not sincere, a
lot of people are using people. And I like, so
I pray for like peace, like pray for peace in
my in my circumference because like again, I can't really
I can't really change people unless I changed my own environment.

(01:04:44):
Like like right now, I'm you know, like I said earlier,
I'm forty eight years old, I don't I don't like
to use the word the N word, right, it's me right,
like you know, rode in the elevator and I've seen
one of my friends just saying nigga. And I've seen
this old black lady. He couldn't differentiate really was he

(01:05:08):
was he being racist? Or was he'd be on that?
So like I just wanted to be away from that stipe.
So I'm different now, you know what I mean? And
mm hmm, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
That's a shift.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I'm totally different now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
So moves the crush. I'm sorry. I pray for most
so so yeah, so I pray for that. So like
I did a retreat, and in the retreat, I counted
how many of my boys said the N word, and
we made them do burpies every fifteen time, and we

(01:05:49):
all left not saying the N word. So it's just
like I love that so sore. I really what I
pray for is peace because I sorry, this sounds so crazy.
That's why I believe like like like Runnings kind of
like saved my life, is like or like it gave
me a hobby. It gave me something that I needed

(01:06:10):
because you can start to finish line with a billionaire
right here. And this guy works at Costcos right here.
This guy shoots water guns for a living. This guy
opens up fire hydrants, this guy works at conn Edison,
this guy works at Florida whatever. This guy owns the
jet companies. But guess what, everybody's on the same level

(01:06:31):
with that starting line. Everybody's and so and it's all
at piece like that euphoria of a mania. Are you
wanting with a maniac?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I hope she doesn't get you mad at me. But
I always thought these run clubs were like like Corney.
So one day I just went and it was this
girl there, and I called it a Tasmanian devil. I'm
so sorry, Like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
She kept making her mouth and then turning around and
getting everybody and she and you know, for lack of
a better term, this is probably somebody I've never speak
to in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Oh yeah, like that after we say cut, I would
probably never speak. But during the run, she was like,
let's go, guys, you who got this? And I was
just like, I do got this? That to me is peace,
like you know what I mean, where you can get
together with all walks of life. And the only other

(01:07:34):
thing that I like better than running was when I
did the Food Show. I remember being stuck in Russia
and that's when I knew that music and food is
a universal language. I'm just stuck in Russia in the
VIP and this is this Russian guy and he can't
speak English, and obviously I don't speak Russian. And he's

(01:07:56):
going like this to me, pointing at the food, and
I'm going and then he going yeah, And then were
taking shots of vaka and we stood there for six hours.
Of course, he did sign language. We didn't even attempt
to move our mouth. We knew that. I love that,

(01:08:16):
but that and that was a sign up piece like
that's what I pray for, you know what I mean.
I pray for that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
That's a good prayer. So who are you running in
the marathon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
With I'm running well, my son Naka is picipaying my
two run chance partners Mitch and Lowe's. We also got
too d Z from uh Philadelphia, amazing else who got Henry?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
We got a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Your son is eighteen, he's eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I'm the oldest. One other person that's older than me
and this guy, mister lead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
That's it. Twenty two people out of all seventeen of us. Well, yeah,
I'm the oldest. Uh so you have all boys, right, Yeah?
I got I got a daughter though, too.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get well. She jogs a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
How are you guys with a girl like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, that's that's that's I called her mother, Uh the mother. Yeah,
She's like she's like my mother. Yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah,
I'm definitely yeah. I don't say no neither.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
I was who was I talking to about all Carti?

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
I was asking Cardi in the last episode about watch
the advice because you know, as a woman raising a son,
sometimes it's like you want your son to learn certain things.
It's like, what do you teach your sons? And she
was saying one of the most important things teach your sons.
Is that when a girl says no, even the slightest
hint of a no, hits a fucking no. Like that
was one of Carti's hard things.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
What about you? What is the thing that you had
to teach your sons?

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
And it's important for your daughter to know whoa as
a parent, as a father.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Uh is to have respect, you know, it's to have
respect for for other people, Like you know, obviously I'm
a cool dad. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I might we might be opening up Christmas presents and
I might fart, know my bad guys, you know what
I'm saying, But you can't do that in front of
other people, you know what I'm saying. And I won't
do that in front of other people. And that's what

(01:10:17):
I really want them to know, Like you know, when
we're having you know, are like, I want them to
respect other people because people are gonna judge them anyway,
i mente. They find out that they're that they're are
you know of uh, you know a famous person's kids.
They hold them to different standards. So I don't want

(01:10:37):
them to have a feel like they're better than anybody,
Like you know what I mean or I want them
to be decent children. So that's that's that's what, that's
what I like. I embarrassed my son the other day.
I went to UH because I said to myself, I
get under two hundred pounds, I'm gonna get a convertible.

(01:10:59):
So I went convertible and I didn't realize that we
had to go get him because we didn't drop our
other car. And I pulled up in front of him,
and all of my son's friends are sitting there like ship,
look at that car. And then my son looked at me,
goes because he's trying to be normal as much as can.
And then here I go picking him up and look,

(01:11:20):
god damn drop tipping out. He's like dad, and like
from the way he said Dad, I was like, fucked up? Right?
He's like yeah, kind of like I want to be
like normal, and like, how can up? How can I
go back to normal? Everyone's gonna ask me about and
I want them to be yeah, decent, decent people, because

(01:11:42):
that's how I got in life is his relationships and
you know, treat people with respect, you know, coming on
time to places and doing things and not wasting people,
you know time and never thinking I'm better than anybody,
you know what I mean, And so that's what I
wish for them.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
How often in real life do you think about your
legacy music, legacy, No, just your legacy life.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I want to answer it like how Mike Tyson as
they remember then the little girl asked, Mike Tyson was
like football legacy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, yeah, like bike away from the girl.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Get It's not something like because I feel like I'm
living in real time. I feel like I got more
to do, I got more to accomplish, So I don't
think about it as much as I do, like you know,
every now and then, you know, I'll be around somebody
and they'll be like, hey, yo, you made the war report,

(01:12:40):
you did this, you did that, and it's like it's cool,
but I'm not done yet, you know what I mean.
So I'm not here to celebrate something that. So I
think about the legacy, but it's something that I want
to keep, continue to build, and I want to you know,
keep just going. I want, you know, I want more,
So I don't really think about past like that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
What do you like most about yourself in real life?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Is that I keep it real with myself.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
What I mean, like like if I'm falling off if
I'm doing something bad, like I dis myself, like I'm
like hey, yay hey, I'm like, hey, hey, yo, you
didn't you didn't do this, this and that. Said. One
thing is I'm my worst first critic. Like if I
say to myself, all right, cool, you know you're two

(01:13:29):
hundred and five pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I want you to wake up and be one ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I want you to do ten piles ten miles an
hour and then going to sauna, put on a sauna soup. No,
don't drink water till five years. I really will get
dedicated just like that. That's what I like about myself.
Discipline is when I want to be Yeah, but I
could also be disciplined in the worst way. I can

(01:13:55):
also say, hey, I want to I'm gonna have fun
for three days straight.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
And I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
So but that's what I like the most is like
when it's comes time to like to like knock it out,
I'll get focused.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
No one could get in my way, like not even
my wife.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
My wife admires that about me because like when I
say I'm not drinking for thirty days or I'm not
doing you know nothing, and then I encourage my wife.
I'm like, hey, I pour her glass of wine and
she's like, no, it's okay. I'm like, no, no, I
need I don't need you to change. I need me
to change. I need me to get back and the focus.

(01:14:31):
And so that's that's what I like about myself the most.
That's super dope.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Okay, in real life, what are you no longer available for?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I am no longer cigarettes. Yeah, yes, I'm ten years
but I'm not even available like my friend Sonny, he's
my friend. And I started smoking American spirits. I stopped
spoking ten years ago, but I stopped smoking American spirits

(01:15:01):
because Americans. I started smoking American spirits because they like
call it water cigarettes. They quote unquote say it's organic cigarettes.
But this is the cigarette that you're supposed to be
on to get off. Him and Dave Chappelle smoked this
cigarette and they are not playing it on getting off.
So but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
It doesn't bother me as much as it used.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
To, like I used to like crave it still. And
I mean I went to see Dave Chappelle three nights
in a row in the hard Rock and when I
tell you, he smoked every five minutes. Yeah, No, he
smokes a lot, and I mean he was smoking with
a smoke like he was like I'm looking at him

(01:15:46):
like damn. And I used to be like that. So
I'm looking like the old version of myself. I remember
hogh ninety seven. We used to smoke in the bathroom
like yo, downstairs, go downstairs, like yo, what Yeah, that's
what I'm not here for. Like that. The cigarettes, that ship,
that that that was something that part of my life.

(01:16:07):
I even had a Newport chain I was. I remember
that control man like ya. I used to think I had.
My cigarette habbit was so bad right that I couldn't
fly straight from New York to LA I would have
to connect in Houston. And that's how bad my cigarette
habit was. I had never took a straight flight until
ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Because you needed to stop for a cigarette.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Oh I needed to stop for a cigarette. Wow. And
now that I look at people, I'm looking at I
kicked that ship.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Now I'm glad you kicked that happy that you can't
be twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
You can't run. There's no way you're run the marathon
smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
It's like, I'm not even a lot of you. You
was one of the reasons too. We was at the
station one day and I was like, you got a cigarette.
I was like, that was so ten years ago. I
was like, like, damn man. I was like, oh shit,
but it was sudden, so slimmer like that. I was like,
she's right, yo, I've been doing this too. Yeahs like when.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
That was probably that was probably in two thousands. I
said that to you in twenty ten. I probably said that,
what do you think in real life your parents, because
you talk about lot about your growing up and the
fact that you had this household, and what do you
think they're most proud of about you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Have they ever told you that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Well, my mother, my mother, My mother has to be
most proud of me from my relentless things like like
she she knows, she knows when I snapped onto like focusedness,
she knows that, and obviously she likes that version of
me better.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
But I believe that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
It's like that they love that, and they love that,
you know, my family camaraderie. Like you know, like every
year I do a family trip, and I do it
mainly most of the time on my birthday, So I
don't even celebrate my Birthday, Like I brung them to
turch and Keikos, the Prince House. I brought them to

(01:17:56):
Puerto Rico and El Dorado and like, you know, just
just maybe the I don't want to see the foods
of my labor, but maybe you know, the same house
that can guard Dashian rents and you know they hang
out with with with with their family. I do the
same exact thing, you know what I'm saying, But I
hang out with people that's not famous. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I hang out with my aunts, and

(01:18:17):
you know, so I think that's what your family loves
the most. Is like like right now, I want to
spend Thanksgiving together. I want everybody. I want my whole
family spend Thanksgiving together. But then that's a dilemma itself, right,
because how the hell I'm gonna hire a chef on
Thanksgiving When you got all these strong black women, they're
not gonna let a chef. They're not gonna But then

(01:18:38):
I don't want them to work on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Well that's part of the joy, you know, Okay, put
them in a nice kitchen in a nice, a nice place.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
I know my mother she's gonna see, like somebody like
you know, cooking sweeper Tata pie with marshmallows in there,
and she's goes, whoa does that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Does that collar? Greens have turkey in there?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Oh no, you gotta hamming it all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Take that out, like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Like, yeah, so I can see that, So I gotta
I don't know how to navigate that, but to answer
a question thoroughly is my neck? Yeah, And I think
that the more that I, you know, uh, grew up,
I realized how much more family is worth, you know
what I'm saying, like like just sitting around and like
like I even like me and I even enjoy arguing

(01:19:22):
with my sister like like like it's like something that
we did as kids. So like every like you know,
six months to a year, like we'll have like a
blowout argument and then the next day we like it
didn't happen, and you like that. Yeah, I mean comes balance,
it's kind of balance. Like I need her to always
tell me I ain't a piece. I'm a piece of ship.
And I'm always her little brother, and I'm like, you

(01:19:43):
know what I am. I will never grow up being
your little brother. And I guess what, Sometimes I do
need to hear that. I don't need to hear that
I was. I was a bad kid and she helped
me down. Fuck it. I act like I don't like
it at the time, and the next day we just
act like it's nothing happened. We just go to eat
corn bread together. It's okay. Oh that's family. What about

(01:20:06):
your dad? What do you think your dad is most
proud of My dad is most proud of me holding
out my mother. That was something that he told me.
He was like he wanted I'm not sure if my
father knew that he was sick or this was just
something that he was saying, but he was like, yo,
I wanted you to protect your mother, you know what
I mean. I got all calls and I don't know

(01:20:28):
if he meant that physically or I don't know if he
meant that financially. I don't know if he's meant it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
But he always tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, he told me that as a child, and he
told me that like when I came home. When I
came home my father, my father thought I was lying,
you mean, because because he didn't know what a rapper was,
and I kept saying I'm a rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I got a whole album about it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
He was like what he's looking at me like like
he thought I was saying at the fool of my mother.
And then I remember when Superdug came out and we
were in Seattle in Washington and it was the BET
I believe it was, and it was on BT. Is
not like I like clicked on BT and it was
just on BT. And then my father sees the video.
He goes, he goes, come here, and I'm like, what's up?

(01:21:18):
And he just grabbed me. It's probably like the first time,
like like he really like and he was like, I'm
so sorry. Man. I was like, what what are you
sorry for? Because he had never told me, but he
was like I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Thought he was lying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Man. He's like, I thought this is something you was
telling moms and I just phoning it with it because
I thought you was you gonna be a piece of shit,
like me saying you gonna be a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I was just like, no, pops, no really, I'm really
doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
This is the number one record, And that's amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Was it? He got to see the super Dog one
time and then like uh, two months later he passed away.
Oh wow?

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Was it was sudden? Or did you know what's gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Because we was on tour, and this is where really,
really really thank Chris Lighty. I fell apart. You know, obviously,
you know I grew up with my father, but I
was on a world tour. I just went number one
Super Doug the album, and you know, so Chris had

(01:22:17):
to come see me. Chris said, Chris is managing at
the time. Chris managed me ship to me. Right now,
he's still managing me, but he came to see me.
He's like, yo, you know he met my father and
he's like, one thing that he knew about my father
was my father wouldn't want me to quit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
So I had to complete this tour.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
But then I had to pay for like the funeral,
So I didn't know how to pay for a funeral.
I didn't want to do that. And then you know,
obviously he had staff Claudine and Joseph Lorie Dublin's and
they all like stepped up and like did that for me.
But I remember me going to the to the even
to the funeral, and me being so numb because I
actually had to go to the the burial whatever it is.

(01:22:57):
The day before that, I had to go to the
fruit and then I had to catch a flight that night,
you know what I'm saying, Like, and it was like
I had never grieved. I had never grieved, And and
then right after that punt, it was like, it's like,
this is the best, worst year of my life, nineteen
ninety eight, go platinum. I do everything that I want

(01:23:18):
to do, and I finally get to meet an industry
friend and we become so close, Like when we become
so close that we actually called Joe the fun Police
like we used to be like yo, Like Joe hates
this story, but he knows it's true. Like he wanted
us to get money, and so I lost him and

(01:23:40):
I lost my father. And then I was supposed to
go in and make this album that gave me all
this money. So that's the reason why I say, but
mether Flint dropped my whole colasso stop. I can't believe
I fucked up and made a half fast album. My
excuse is my pops just died, and I ain't want
to make music. My pops just die. So that's pretty
much what it was. And so I never really grieved

(01:24:02):
at ah. Yeah, so did you ever? Oh no, I
noticed it sounds crazy because it's it's an industry friend.
But I don't think I'll ever get over pun, like
like like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
I've anything said about Pun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I watch it like even if it's bad, like well,
even if it's like somebody opposed to Joe, you know
what I mean, Because you know, it's a room or
that by the way, I wrote with the rumor, but
it's the room that Normale just listens to everything that
Joe says. And I can see how that looks. I
can see how it looks because I wrote with everything
Joe says. But if Joe was wrong, I would tell him.

(01:24:42):
I'm not gonna tell him, and probably I was like
I can do that to him, but but yeah, I
pardon was the first person that made me realize that
this is a family, like you can have a family
outside of your family, you know what I mean. And
and my father, I'll never get over it because I

(01:25:05):
wanted him to see the fruits of my label. I
wanted him like he got to see the video, but
he didn't get to fill the video. He didn't get
to feel the success. He didn't get to feel turks
and kgos, he didn't get to feel like you know,
us just having fun and like, you know, the Santiago
family being something proud of, like you know, Santiago family
and for all though, like well, you know what my

(01:25:27):
uncle was was the mayor. My uncle's a crack ad,
now you know what I'm saying. He's on the street,
on the street, hey man, I like him. Oh my god.
Every time I go see him, he's yeah yeah, yeah,
like I mean he does. He doesn't feel sorry for usself.
But that's what I'm saying. Like our family name in

(01:25:49):
Puerto Rico at that time was like kind of like
fucked up, and I like it's like I reinstalled our
family name, like the Santiago is something to be proud of,
you know what I mean? You know, so yeah, that's
what I would want my father to see. See that. Yeah,
and sorry to keep taking around, but I would want
Pun to see this era.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Man, your podcast, your pun would have yo.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
First of all, I would have wanted Pun on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Pun on Twitter would have been crazy. He'd have got
canceled a few times though, just for glad you'd have
got canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I ain't gonna lie. I think Twitter would have loved him,
But I think Twitter would be like your pun just
say it this way, because fun is just hilarious. Him
on Twitter, him on Instagram would have been crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
I never realized how much loss you had because you
had those two things happen. And then and then Chris
was a heartbreak into everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Yeah, and then Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
You know Chris's story. U sorry, like take a little
wide turn, but Chris's story I never believed, like him
killing herself, like you know, whether it was whatever type
of problems that he had. He's either a great actor,
which which is quite possibly, but I didn't see. I
didn't see none of that. And you know me and
fifty you know, obviously I was one of the like fifties,

(01:27:03):
very f these very two features in the industry was
with me, and you know, we spoke about it at
Chris Well, No, I spoke about that, but it was
something about funny about chris wedding and me and him
exchanged words. And then when Chris passed away, I asked him.
I was like, do you think Chris took his own life?

(01:27:23):
And he was like, no, if they said that, and
I was like, I didn't think that neither. But I
know it's a touchy situation because it's kind of like
when you say that, you're kind of like blaming other people,
you know what I mean. So it's a touch of situation.
But yeah, I didn't believe that, like and like so
instead of grieving his.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
His death, I'm always thinking like was there foul play?

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Was there? Like and you know, the police didn't find nothing.
So but yeah, there's really no resolve for you if
you don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah, yeah, but normally how do you go through all
that and not have any and not grieve any of
those losses?

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I grieve it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I just don't agree with it in public, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Okay, don't you do?

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I do, of course, but you know, you know and
like yeah, I just I just grieve in private, which
which doesn't help sometimes too, because you need to grieve
to somebody, like you know what I'm saying, You need
to like like even this this, like I love this
because it's therapy for me, you know what I'm saying.
Like you asked me questions, I don't be asked, you
know what I'm saying. Like for me, it's like sometimes

(01:28:22):
you just have to And yeah, with that situation, I
know it's a lot of DMX Okay, yeah, and DMX.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Know honestly a lot of anybody who came up in
our time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
There's so many people that we knew came up with.
It's like and to have lost so many and all
the stories that went with it, all the emotion that
goes with it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Know how many funerals I have spoken at in the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Past two years and Clark kNs.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
In mister c fat Man's school, Serve Gotti, I've spoke
at all four of those funerals.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Well, let me tell you about DMX. You know, we're
DMX just on the road. We did everything. This is
like the last four weeks of his life. So he
calls me, He's like, can I come to the crib?
So I'm making the DMX impression.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
That's actually not best.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
It's not terrible the cribs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I'm like, all right, cool, no problem. Last night he
came in my crib.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
He cooked crab legs and beer, and I didn't. I
forgot to tum he cooked them. Yeah, and if I
got to tell my wife, my wife just walks in
the house. It's just sees DMX cooking crab legs, and
I'm like, damn babe, I forgot to text you. Like
She's like, you're not gonna text me that DMX is
in our house cooking krab legs and fucking beer. And
I'm like all right, cool. So then he's like, I'm

(01:29:35):
coming to the crib, like exit, this is a different crib.
I don't I don't live in that one, So come
over here. So he's like, you got games, and I
took offense to it. I was like, coase, I got
PlayStation two, I got Xbox, I got everything. He's like,
the fuck like Monopoly. I'm like, yeah, you knowing a
goddamn Monopoly. I'm like sending my kids to the store

(01:29:56):
coat Monopoly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
He comes over with Janger and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
I realized all the success in the world that he had,
what made him happy was doing normal ship like him
getting on the grill, him cooking burgers, him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
He was so at peace, and I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
It was a day he challenged j He challenged him
and them, and then Swiss called me because Swiss school.
I posted and Swiss called me and was like he
was a dog and I'm like yeah, and I put
it on and then we hit Jay by mistake, like
I pocketed out of them, and Jay text me back.
I guess he's gonna go fast. He must have heard

(01:30:43):
the dog in the background was like, hey, like, tell
my brother, I don't want to be in competition. Will
I remember how humble Jay made hisself. He was like, yo,
tell him, he's my brother. I don't want to be
in competition with him. And then he and they asked
me on a film. He's like, tell him come off.

(01:31:04):
We're like, yo, he's waving a white flag. Leave it
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Well, for the last four weeks of ex life, he
was with.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Me every day. I didn't know that, yeah, because he
wanted to start a podcast. And oh my god, yo, yes, right,
he wanted to start a podcast. So I was meeting
him every day and I was telling him, your podcast
should be a prayer. Oh like, it should be like
at least start and ended with that, you know, and
say the truth. Dog, I don't even want you to

(01:31:31):
talk to nobody and yourself. Like I was like, oh,
that ship, and so we was putting it together and
and I remember this is all on film as well.
X said, Yo, I'm going to Atlanta. He didn't tell
me he was going to New York. He said he
was going to because I was. I can't say I
would have forbidd him from going to New York, but

(01:31:53):
I would have been like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
It was, he was so focused, he was so much
into the zone.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
He was getting big, and like you know how when
people get big sometimes that's a bad thing, right, But
if you were like, you know, on these these substances
and you're getting big, that means that means this is
out your system. So the fact that you're getting big
is actually a good sign in this case. And he
didn't he did not want to go to New York.
I knew that, but he didn't tell me about the

(01:32:19):
New York part. He facetied me in Atlanta, and then
when he went to New York, I can't say that
I knew it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
You think he was like he was still battling.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Yeah, it's part Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
You can meet the guy at dunkin Donuts, right, and
a guy dunking Donuts can offer you a glazed donut,
and you love glazed donuts. But you don't know this
guy dunking Donuts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
You say, you listen, guy, I'm gonna just take my
coffee and I'm gonna leave right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
But now this guy this this person that he was
in fifth grade school with, this person that you used
to double dutch with actually for that same glaze donut.
And they come up with the Christmy Kreme and they're
saying and and he was saying, damn man, I was
the seventh grade with this motherfucker. All right, I take
it to Christian clean glow. You can't say no to
certain people. And that's the reason why we are so
in danger in our hometown. So many rappers are in

(01:33:08):
danger in their hometown. And it's not even because like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It's danger. It's because you're in a place that you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Don't belong no more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
You have outrownness.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I remember me coming to my hood one time and
the god name is fat Wise, and I would park
my bends every single day and I would go to
the hood. And he pulled me to the side one
day and he was like, do you know you don't
sleep here? And I was like, he was like, yo,
you give them hope. You come in here, you pull
up with the bins. They see there, and it's the

(01:33:38):
minute you're out they fight with each other. He's like, man,
if you go come around here, park your fucking bends
around the corner and ride a fucking pedal bike. And
I did that, and I was like that made me
even more normal. And I would park my bens at
the White Guards and I would come around and I'll
be known. And that's what X was. That's what X embodied,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Like, well, he X never needed security, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Like he was he was ill, so like every day,
like we was doing a podcast, and when he went
to New York, I just knew something was wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Yeah, God, bless, What do you think happens? I always
I struggle with that sometimes because we lose all these
people recently, and it's like, how does it affect you?
What do you think happens when you're gone? Do you
still feel like you hear from these folks? Do you
still feel at present in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
I'll tell you like this, I don't know about everybody,
but I know DMX was ordained by God. Dm X
had a did what it's called. And I called one
of the pastors that I knew in Jamaica queens because

(01:34:45):
it happened to him in Jamaica queens. Excuse me, let
me give my sister a props called my sister to
call a pastor, that our pastor, and I remember him
going to see X in the hospital and him just
coming back and and giving me the update. He's like
that man is with God, not like he passed on

(01:35:06):
to God, but like like he he went and prayed
with X. And when X heard the word of God,
he woke up. And I remember that's what the pastor
telling me, Like, Yo, he's like God is with him?
Like what like I came in worried, And so I
say that to say, when you say, what do you

(01:35:27):
think happens? If this is a happening that exist, DMX
is there, He's there. He's there. He might be rolling
blunts with Timson like, but he's there. But he's there
for sure, for sure he's there. All right.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
This is what we asked everybody on the pot in
the bowl, you pickets, I'm gonna ask it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
If God would have text you right now, what would
it say?

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Good y'all keep going and got a lot more to do.
And it's gonna sound very very low, but you know,
I go to restaurants like Sardelli's and I see people
in there and they be like, you know, I'll come

(01:36:10):
here for you. I go to restaurants like Carbone, people say,
I've never heard of Carbones, heard of you. I go
to liquor stores and people say, yo, you know what. Uh?
I drink abiki because I see you drinking and bikie.
I go and I drink saki and the people so
I'm in fluent you and a lot of things that
is negative and I don't realize that, right, I just

(01:36:33):
this is just ship that I like. Right. If I
keep you know, come over with this Cuban coffee from
from one throwing them, then some people are gonna come
over here to cor Gables and corporate way they're gonna
be looking for. So my goal is to have that
same influence or something positive, you know what I'm saying,

(01:36:56):
like like like again I said to you, like, I'm
not going to promote it to people who who are
not runners, but that's cool. But for the people who's running, oh,
I'm going to talk their head off. I'm gonna put it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Down because that's what I want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
I want to be known as much as I can
be known for you know, fatty foods and you know,
great alcohol. I want to be I want to I
want to show some positive too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Well, I will offer you this as somebody who's seen
your whole career.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Yes, that's right, your entire career for the exception.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
And also from our conversation today, I think, Okay, maybe,
you know, maybe you've influence on some not not the
most positive things, but your influence goes beyond that. Your influence,
I'm sure has inspired people to want to get out
the hood, to want to pivot in their careers and
not be afraid to take chances and do different things.
To be a good friend, to be a good family man,

(01:37:49):
to be a good husband, like that is all stuff
that is super positive. And I'm sure you have had
great influence in people's lives.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
So yeah, so you should take I want to keep going.
Like you know again, you know, we started the Drink
Champs network. I know we got to get out of here.
So I'm okay, we started the Drink Champs network. We're
trying to finalize or deal with Angela Simon's interview. Oh yeah,
let's get THEAE time I got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You know, I'm such a man. I can't I can't
ask a girl about.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
The relationship, like like I'm like, I'm like that old
school I got to get out of that. But like,
I was like, because we interviewed her right after you, right,
and I was it was for the run Champ show
and I was jogging with her and I was like,
I was so happy that she asked me that, and
she goes, she goes why, I was like, I just

(01:38:40):
as a man, I just I wouldn't have been able
because I'm cool with him too. Yeah, yeah, I kind
of don't want to know the story. Yeah, I kind
of like cool, but we've got to drink. Champs Network.
We got a grumpy old man. We got smoke Champ. Wait,
what's gonna be old man? Two grumpy old men talking
about grumpy old man ship? It's very grump is it
out already? Yeah? Yeah, I see that one. Well to

(01:39:02):
gruffo men, grumios right, gruffio g. We got smoke Champs
where young really Mike Booth and ching bing, we got
uh myth Bleak is doing phenomenal out there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Please do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
I love him as a podcast and I ain't gonna
lie to you, and we are listen, we do not
We meet check in with the Big Hommie to make
sure because we don't want no prop of course, not no, no,
who else we got. I think he does a.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Great job of sharing but not violating.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
But I like to think that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Obviously I didn't, but I made podcasts kind of cool,
you know what I'm saying, Like where people like you know,
can smoke weed and drink. And you know, I'm looking
at Joe and Jada's podcast right now, and you know,
Jada's drinking Ace of Spade and then just looking and
it's like, you know, back then, nobody wanted to do that.
You see the influence, you see your and they both
they're both they're both under me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Jada and Joe, they're both under me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
I created that show. Jada's been on Drink Chants eight times,
Joe's been on the Drink Chants eight times.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
By God, jolly g they finally got it together. I
salute them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I commend them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I think it's is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Fun. I think the fact that I Cam and Mace,
oh yeah, the karate they're showing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
I think that we're showing that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
You can age gracefully and you don't got to put
all your your eggs in one basket. I love this
podcast space. I love what we're doing. I love with
even even if you don't agree with me and I
don't agree with you. It's not every podcast I like.
In fact, I like true true crime podcasts. Yes, I'm

(01:40:46):
that dude, Like I'm that dude. But I'm glad that
hip hop has made you know the space where where
it's just like this, this is different from your radio show,
right from your radio show.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
So that was the whole thing for me.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
It's like, I I wanted to have different conversations a
little bit broader than the stuff I was talking.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
I still love the culture and hip hop.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
And all that and that, and I have that with
my radio show, but as I had different life experiences,
I really wanted a platform to be able to have
those type of conversations. Yeah, well I just say, fuck
that shit hurt my feelings, ship, fuck this was hard
as hell, I'm going through this, or just real life
conversations about real life things and and so. But it's

(01:41:27):
always been a little bit kind of my brand, even
when I was talking to even if were talking hip hop,
I still was always interested in the human being behind
this is behind the story. So it's just an elevated
version of that for me, I think, yeah, right, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
So like again everybody that's podcasts and I know, I
like took a shot and I was like, my podcast
is the only one that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
That was a moment, like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
You know what I mean, like like like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
We're talking shit, It's okay, what is the what is
the key?

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
The key?

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
Let's let's and with this because because as in your
seat on your throne, on your podcast throne, with your
podcast empire, what is take away all that, the accomplishments, whatever,
but just the actual connection to people, what people are
drawn to. Like, what do you think is the key
to being a fucking good podcaster?

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Well, I would say that the key for me is
my show. Our show is about giving people they flowers.
I want people to be appreciated. Now, this is one
of the best complements I've got. And I'm not going
to name these groups, but I was in a party
one day and I seen somebody who had absolutely nothing
going on. It's about absolutely nothing going on, and I

(01:42:41):
wanted to see my power and I was like, yo,
what are you doing on Saturday? And the guy was like,
I ain't doing shit? And I was like, can you
make it to Miami? The guy said yeah, So he
made it to Miami. We interviewed him and he called me.
He called me crying, and I was like, you know
what's going on. He's like, yo, I'm getting my quota back.

(01:43:04):
You know, you get to like a certain extent, twenty
five thousand, fifty thousand, fifteen thousand, ten thousand, twelve thousand,
and then you fall off. They offer you twenty five hundred,
but you want to pay the real the rent, you
want to pay the mortgage, you want to pay the whatever.
So you take these numbers and then what I was doing,
this is the biggest compliment. And me and FN say
all the time, we don't really brag about it, but

(01:43:26):
when we put these people on our platform, they numbers
go back up to what they was. You know, I
give you one example, because they're rich. Okay, I give
you one example. Eric Sherman. Eric Sherman called me and
was like, yo.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Yo, the fact that you still say Sherman and his
name is Sermon.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
Yeah, yeah, if you have known you have been jacking
that Pan's no name decade, yeah, cat, who is your friend?

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
But Eric Sherman hit me on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
My bad. He said, send me your bank account and
I was like, what do you mean? He was like
eat pm D. We we got like so many shows,
and it's like yo, and I was like, that's the
exact opposite of what I want to happen. It's like
I'm not taking nothing because then that's that's something I
did that out of you know. And when I tell you, like,

(01:44:16):
that's like our biggest compliment is like people calling us
and saying, yo, man, they're paying me for shows again,
and so that's that's that's that's that's my favorite. Like, yeah,
I get that well, especially like like I said, I
want to see this guy's name so bad, Well, I
don't want to. I want him to feel like that's
what he thought I thought about him, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
But like it's been times.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I kid you, not like I just I'll just see
somebody that I'm like that you like, can you because
the best thing is for them to come to Miami, Right,
There's something about letting your guard down when you're in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
New York is one of the best places in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Is the best city in the world. But you're a
point in New York, You're looking around, somebody trying to
pickpocket you. Somebody's playing three card Marley, somebody's offering you
a fucking metro card. Someone's you know, it's it's so
much shit going on in New York, But in Miami,
you look, there's a beautiful person right there, there's cars
over there, and you go like this, and then that's

(01:45:16):
why I come in and I get you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
So that is the kid. Wait till they're vulnerable and their.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Guards are down, and then get them, get them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
But I thoroughly like closing up this. I thoroughly thank
hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
You know what I mean, I thank you. I think
hip hop because I know you notice. But I'm gonna
say something. When I really fell in love with the
family of hip hop was that hot night in Jamaica
when it was all of us in a in a
bus and it didn't matter who was who at that time,
we was just riding.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
I'm gonna try to find footage of this. This is
a trip. This is a trip. We're all babies, we're
all young twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Yep, he's got a pop.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
His song rules just popping.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
One twelve, one twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
I think Jay was there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
It was Jay, not It's birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
It was Jay's birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
We're all in our young twenties and the radio station
does an event in Jamaica.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Hot Jamaica, and we didn't we had we weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
Really like world travel that I had a picture of
me and you Actually I had a fun T shirt on.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
I have a picture of me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
I got a rest right in my hand.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
But I also have a video a lot of video.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
For that I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
And but that was the first time we're hip hop
for like a fraternity to be right, say that right
like you know, like it felt like like we were one,
you know what I mean. Like, and I didn't feel
like that before. Before I felt like an industry. And
that was like the first thing that like these benture
capital corporate companies right now, they're not gonna understand that,

(01:46:50):
you know what I'm saying, and not gonna understand like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
A difference between business and culture.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Yes, So at that time I felt like that was
business and culture. I felt like I felt like that
trip in itself was like yo, I felt I was
always in love with hip hop. I was always in
love with the business. I was always in love with
the music. But that's would let me fall in love
with the people, you know what I'm saying, Because I
was like, damn you know, I was always told, fuck

(01:47:14):
these people in the industry, they're not real people. And
it's like, okay, all right, so keep your distance. Then
we went to Jamaica. We played volleyball and basketball and
playing spades, and we was drinking and it was like
everybody is normal.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Like everybody it was you know, it was community.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
It was community. Like I missed that, like you know
what I mean, I missed that. I missed like And
then I started to go into like gaping conventions and
impact advices, and then Reno and I started to realize that,
you know what, it's crazy when you see other people
in the industry, you stop, y'all have a drink to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
y'all kick it and we live we live in a

(01:47:55):
messed up industry. But I'm gonna tell you something. It's
way more good than bad. Is way more good than bad.
And but that was the first time I realized that
this is a lot easier. My career would be a
lot easier if I get along with everybody, you know
what I mean. And you've been doing it ever since, Yes,
I've been doing it, But I want to end it

(01:48:16):
with this. This, This is the funniest shit about it was.
I remember, it's the only time to reason why he
hates me. I tell the story and he says I didn't,
but it's the only time I beat jay Z on stage.
I stood of gods because I've never got this and
I'm taking this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I remember he landed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
It was his birthday, and I remember him ordering crystal.
It's like, you give me like sixteen dollars of crystal.
And I remember the Jamaican guys They're just looking at
him so scared because they didn't have the heart to
tell him we don't have no crystal service, and he
was just sitting there and they just stood there. And
now I remember him drinking red stripe. And I remember

(01:48:57):
Findy was my hype man. Findy who is FABS manager.
Findy was my hype man. Findy was like just just
uh uh, just just just do the records. He had
rehearsed with the DJ and he was just like just
performing the records. And Findy was doing all that ship
clean in the house and people like, yo, it's Quezy

(01:49:19):
and the house. So I mean, I'm just what what
what what I'm doing all these records and Findy is
just going as the first time I felt like I
beat him, Jermaine Duprix, everybody on stage. I felt like
I won that one that one years one we do
with jay Z and j D. That's well, you've managed
pretty good for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yes, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
How happy are you on the scale of one to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
On a one to ten, I would say I'm a
seven because.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
That that last three has a lot to do with
me challenging myself for this, this marathon, and me doing
things that I'm uncomfortable it comfortably, you know what I'm saying.
It's a lot of things, uh, that I have to accomplish.
It's a lot of things that I have to go through,
and it's this different there's different steps in my life

(01:50:13):
that I have to go back and complete.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
So I would say a happiness is like a seven
and a half. Seven and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
But like we're already make this about the marathon.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
No, No, it's okay. Really, it is a marathon.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Really something that you know that's been embedded in me,
and it's it's it's I've never had an easy run.
I've never went outside like I did twenty miles supposed
to do the next day. You never have an easy run.
And the thing about being a runner is it's like
a cold girlfriend. Like if you dissed this girl, she

(01:50:45):
would diss you back hard, hard. And I'm telling you
that you can run for seven days straight, you fall
off for three days. It's like you saw it all over.
It's like, yo, you saw it all over, Like you
know how you like you guys got the third base.
But then they gotta start all over. You got to
go on a date again. You gotta start again. He
gotta go right back to the movies.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
What are you gonna be when you cross that finish line?

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Where am I going to be?

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
That I'll probably be a stereough fifteen twenty because one,
I like the fact that the people that's putting together
looked like me. Big up to my guy. His instagram
is named Heck's Dad. He's from Washington Heights, but he
ran six marathons. He's Dominican and he ran six marathons.

(01:51:32):
And you know, he he's not famous, but he's famous
in the in the running world. And like I'm a
fan of him, you know what I'm saying, Like, like,
you know, not a fan because he's famous. I'm a
fan because of the work that he put in, And
so where I'm going to be, I'm going to be
very very high h euphorically, and I'm gonna be happy.

(01:51:55):
Me me running makes me happy. I don't know why
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
That for you, it's stupid, like it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Stop saying that it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Because it's like, yo, how does hurting yourself make you
feel good? It doesn't make sense that a person who
doesn't do it. But now I'm into recovery. I'm in
the ice baths, I do all that. I'm in the
songs amazing, I'm in the infrared sarnas, I'm into all
that ses Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
And let's leave it on this. This is a good
way to go out because we did it some times today.

Speaker 5 (01:52:28):
But whenever I do this pot I always try to
think about where it lands in people's real lives, because
not everybody's a rapper or a podcast or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
It's like the lessons of our life, how do they
impact people in their regular lives? And so what do
you say to somebody who is has a dream like
that to run a marathon, or to create a pod
network or to start something new that maybe doesn't even
make sense to them. What do you say to somebody
like that, who's I don't know, scared or reluctant.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
I love that. I know this as a saying that says,
you know, don't live beyond your means. I don't believe
in that ship. I believe you have to take risks.
I believe you have to be uncomfortable to be comfortable,

(01:53:18):
and sometimes it's not gonna feel like the right thing.
Like again, when I did Reggae Thrown, it didn't feel
like the right thing, and two of my closest friends
told me I'm crazy, but I went with my heart.
So in deep down inside your heart is going to
tell you exactly what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
It's on you to ignore it. And then your brain
is a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Tricky god too, because your brain likes to fuck with you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Your brain will tell you man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
But so I just feel like, just be genuine and
you know, follow your heart. I believe that just follow
your heart. Your heart is going to tell you what
to do and be thorough with it, and most importantly,
do something that makes you happy. You know what I'm saying,
But like you know, you do do something that makes
you happy, and do something that money can buy. Because

(01:54:08):
if if money can only make you happy, you ain't
happy at all. You know what I'm saying. You ain't
happy at all if money, if money is the only
thing that can make it happy. Nah, you're happy at all.
Love the thrill, love the journey.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
Whoa, that's how you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Yes, yes, yes, thank you, thank you. You ended a stroll.
You know how to close out?

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Hey, Hank Sangria and this is Norman in real life.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Hey guys, thanks for watching.

Speaker 5 (01:54:34):
Make sure you subscribe, like comments, and check out all
of the other episodes we have on Edge.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
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