Charlamagne Tha God On Truth, Accountability & Talking To Complicated People

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty twenty five is a year of the snake, because

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we're supposed to be shedding all our old bullshit. Yes,
like all our old bullshit, the bad energy, the negative energy,
you know, the things that have caused you guilt, the
things that you're insecure about. Like this is the year
that you're supposed to really, really, really let it all go.
And it's about new beginnings and transformation. And in twenty
twenty six is the year of the Horse, and you're
supposed to get off, get on that horse, and you know,

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ride into your destiny.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sold Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to
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of the infamous Breakfast Club, one of the most influential
and longest running radio shows in hip hop and pop
culture history. He's the founder of the Black Effect podcast network,

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the owner of Black Privileged Publishing, a New York Times
bestselling author, an advocate for mental health. He's helped shift
culture by telling the truth out loud. He's a father,
a husband, a friend.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Welcome God, Angie Martinez in real life podcast What's Happening?
Happy to be here. I'll be hearing that sometimes and
I'm like, who the fuck is she talking about? You
know what I'm saying, Like, who is that? What do
you mean? Like when I just hear all of that stuff,
I'd be like, who's that person?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Stop?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Sometimes I do you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Have great pride in what you've accomplished, and yes, as
you don't feel like connected to it deeply, like.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Connected to it deeply. So interesting when I was home
for Thanksgiving and I was staying in my mom's house
and I was staying in the room that I grew
up in, Like that's the moments that like those things
hit you because you know, you think about how I
was in here all of these years praying, you know,
to be in these be in these moments like this.
So when you are in the midst of your you know,
answered prayers, Yes, that's what it hits you.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
What are you praying for in that room?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Just to be you know what's so funny. I tell
this story all the time, But when I first started
doing radio, I used to always say I want to
be a super jock, Like I don't want to be
just the local jock doing time and temperature and you
know whatever. Market I was like, ye, And I used
to always say, if I want to do it, I
want to do it on the level of the Tom Joiners,
the Angie martinez Is, the Wendy Whims, the Howard Sterns.

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Like that was my mindset even back then. So that
was like what I That's literally what I was.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
But when you're a kid, you weren't thinking about radio, right.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh as a kid, that was well, see, I guess
when I say the answered prayers, I do think from
that time I was like nineteen to now, you know
what I mean, because yeah, because I was just praying
to stay out of jail. When I was a young
young kid, hoping that my mom didn't come home and
realize that I was. I was, you know, sitting at
home because I was suspended and didn't tell them. Like

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that's the type of stuff I was praying for back then.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
And then at some point radio happened.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Nineteen ninety eight, nineteen.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Ninety eight, young Charlsmagne on the radio.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Nineteen ninety eight. That's when I started off as an intern.
So I got on the air like nineteen ninety nine,
but I started off as an intern in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yo, your evolution is wildly inspiring to people. I think
not and radio, but just across the board and even
as a as a father, I mean, as a husband
and as a man. You've been very honest in the
books and stuff. It's funny because you come up in
the pod a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I had Cardi here, I saw Cardy.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh yeah, you came up in both those episodes.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's right because Carty was you know, went through what
she went through, and she had a very strong theory
about when you don't treat people well, even a spouse
or even a girl you're stringing along like that, karma
comes back to you. And then we were talking about
your theory about becoming this better husband and how your
life flourished after that.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Absolutely, And it's so crazy, right, Like I've always told
these stories and for whatever reason, people act like this
was yesterday. It's like, no, bro, I've been clean for
like nine years out here in these streets. No, Like, no,
not at all. But it's like, really, were you telling
the story back then?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
You weren't telling the story back then, story in the
past few years.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Probably probably in the past few years. Is I had
to make sure I really was what I said I was,
you know what I'm saying, Like when you make that commitment. Though,
like I always talk about the color and you know
where sei he pointed that fingers, and ain't no good
gonna come to you and tell you do right by me?
That is real? And so what happens when you actually
do right by the woman you love? What happens when
you actually do right, you know, by your wife. For me,

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my life has done nothing would go up, up, up,
up up. So I always say to myself, like, why
would I ever go backwards? Especially when I continue to
see men make those same rookie mistakes losing everything. You
see what just happened to the head coach of the
University of Michigan, like thirty nine years old, married with kids,
you know, playing around on the side, and like now

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his whole shit is fucked up. It's like, why would
I make those mistakes when I'm seeing what's happening to
other people? And even before that, like I saw what
was happening like to my pops and my uncles, and
my pops would always tell me the worst thing that
he ever did was do you know, wrong by my mother?
You know, even though he ended up you know, getting remarried,

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but he just that's just as a whole that you
know is in his life that he just regrets, you know,
even even to this day.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Did you know that at the time, or did you
know that after you had changed your life and saw
the you know, the effect of it, or did you
make that decision with the intention of like, my life
will be better if I do right by her both.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because like you know, it's like when you did, I
got to deal with anxiety, right, So it's just like,
why add extra stress to your life that you don't need.
And plus you just feel fake, You feel phony, like
you literally laying down with the person you claim to love,
this person that you got a whole life with what
you're lying to that person Like, I'm not one of
the MP I got. Yeah, I don't believe in that
whole keep it, you know, real with your homies. But

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then you know, lie to the woman that you claim
to love and you really made vows in front of God. Like,
to me, that's just fake. I can't live my life
in that way. I don't like to talk behind people's back.
If if I said something behind your back, eventually I
got to say it to your face. I've already said
it to your face, so now I'm talking about you.
I can't live my life like that. So it's just
like laying down with a person, like living a whole

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life with a person, but you're actually living a whole
lie with a person. No, that's not the way I
want to I want to you.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's funny that you said you waited to say that,
because one of the things I always wondered when I
would hear you tell that story is, you know, because
change doesn't happen in one second, no, you know, And
sometimes behaviors take a little while to kind of break,
And I wonder if any of that stuff ever still
showed up for you, the temptation, the bad habits, the.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Nope, because it's literally like it's like changing your diet,
like literally like changing your lifestyle. You know, when you
start working out and you start eating clean, it's like
you don't even really want the junk that you used
to eat anymore, like, and if you even do try
to indulge in it a little bit, then you'll probably
o D and go crazy. So it's just like, nah,
just leave it alone. I don't need it at all

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in any way, shape.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Or form, really, So no old behaviors even just feelings
like no old behaviors.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, feelings, I mean you feel meaning like you might
see somebody and be like, oh that person's attractive, but.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
No, no, not even not even other women, just like
you would have to change a lot about yourself to
make that big of a shift in your life, right,
And I think I don't. I think a lot of
not all the time. I'm sure sometimes change happens with
an idea.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I've always been a cold turkey type of person. Turkey
like literally, I've always been a stop there's no you know,
doing a little bit of the wrong thing. I've always
been like a stop person, like just it's over, it's done,
leave it alone. I'm not looking back. And I think
that's one of my one of the things I thank
God for that he gave me that type of mind
that I can easily just be like stop viting. Yeah,

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and then it's also a little I don't know what
the world would be, but I'm also like that with people,
which I don't know if that's good or not.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Cut people off.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
In a heartbeat, you know what I mean. That's how
it don't worry. It don't matter how long we known
each other, I might still have love for you, But
if you're doing anything that's detrimental to me or detrimental
to what I got going on, I feel like you
know you did me wrong in any way. It's like God, bless,
I wish you the best, but I'm on to the next.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Wow, what about vices? Never had any vices or anything
like that that you had to wean off of anything.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Like cocaine? Bull?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Why have I not heard about this journey? Random journey
you're discovering the uh.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think people pleasing can be a vice. I think
people pleasing can be a vice, you know what I mean,
doing uh things for people just because you just because
you don't want them to do a certain way about
you or dislike you. I don't know that. I don't
know if that could because you don't give oh no no.
I was a big people please that came when I

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can tell you exactly where it started from. Okay, not
to get dark, but when when I was eight years old,
I used to get you know, molested by a woman
that used to be in our family. And when I
made her stop, she used to always call me ugly, right,
and you know, tell me I got a big no's
and all this type of ship, and so I would
still let her do it just to you know, I
feel like, yes, so she wouldn't call me that. And

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so that led to me being a people pleaser in
my adulthood, which you know is basically you know, letting
people I don't want to say, kind of run over you,
but letting them get over on you, just because you
would rather avoid, you know, them having something negative to say.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's not a personality trade I would have imagined, because
you seem so free to say what you want and
you know your confrontational when needed.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I love confrontation. Yes, Why I don't know. I think
because my dad always told me that the fastest way
between two points is the straight line. And my dad
was a person who he did not like the bullshit,
even though he might have been one of the number
one bullshit is out there at least in my mom.
But I always saw him just confront things head on, right,
Like even when I used to watch him like my mom,

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arguing stuff, it was like very direct arguments, right, And
so I just always felt like I would rather just
talk to you face to face. I never understood the
whole you know, you got a problem with somebody but
you're telling everybody but the person like, things don't have
to be violent, right, Like you can get to it,
just get to it. Yeah, I always felt like you

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could smooth things over with the conversations, no matter how
heated the conversation got, or even if you know, when
you were young, y'all did have a little kerfuffle and
through a little bit of blows you would just get
back to being friends in moments. That's it. I always
felt like that. So I've never had a problem with
the confrontation at all, but to keep the peace. A
lot of times it's like, all right, let that person

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you know, get that way, even if it's you know,
detrimental to me. But not anymore.

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do you break the habit of people pleasing? Is it
a slow It's not a cold turkey thing, right, You
have to actually work on that.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You just got to make sure that the things you're doing,
you know, for somebody else is because you genuinely want
to do them, You genuinely want to help, and you're
not really losing anything in the process. Like that's not
an even exchange, right, Like if I do something for you,
but then I feel.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Like depleted exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know what I mean? Like, that's not an even
exchange of energy. Like I'm a poor into you. You're
gonna pour back into me in some way shape or
for me. I don't even mean, like you know, I
might provide you an opportunity. I just like being around
good people, like you know, you just like being around
good energy. Sometimes that person that makes you laugh, or
that person you know you can have a healthy debate with,
that person that makes you smile for no reason, that
person you like to talk to on the phone for

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no reason. To me, those are even exchanges of energy.
But if I do you know something for you because
you want it done, and I feel empty after the fact,
and you know you going on about your day, that's
not a fair exchange at all.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
That is people pleasing.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
That is one hundred percent people please, got it? And
I learned that in therapy. By the way, I love that.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I want to learn all about all the things you
learned in therapy. I want you to teach us all
the things today. Charlotte Mage. It's so funnycause I never
thought of myself, you know, from New York and from
the culture.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'm like, I never thought of myself as a people
pleaser until like recently, big this big age. I'm actually
confronting that fully made being feeling depleted by certain situations
and just testing the waters of like let me do
I want to do that. I don't so I'm not

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gonna and then consciously checking myself to not feel bad
about it. But it's like a that's why I say
I'm always curious about people's process because sometimes change doesn't
happen cold turkey like that. I'm not gonna shoot on
my wife anymore, and then you don't forever. Sometimes habits
things the things that shape us. It takes a little
while to kind of like unravel that.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, that's why you don't practice bad habits. And I
think that, you know, one thing I've learned, the older
I've gotten, I've definitely probably done more unlearning than learning.
Like that's the crazy thing about like when you first
start going to therapy, Like when I first started going
to therapy in twenty sixteen, by twenty eighteen, I probably
was the most confused I had ever been in my life.
Too much information, not even too much information. It's everything

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I thought I knew. I realized I didn't know right
as much as I thought I did. And I realized
that a lot of the things that I was using
for survival weren't going to allow me to get to
that next level of life that I wanted to get to,
whether personally, professionally, whatever it was. I knew I had
to let so many things go and that's a scary

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process too, right, because I think a lot of times
people hold on to a lot of those habits because
it's literally what they'd gotten there too. Those are the safe,
comfortable things that they can go to and always use
when they, you know, are just going through life. But
when you realize, like that stuff in that toolbox, man,
that's not gonna those keys, not gonna lock these these

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new doors I'm trying to get to, that's a scary.
That's a scary place to be at, especially when you
at what I was. I thirty six, thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Years old when you started doing therapy.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, I started going to therapy in twenty sixteen. Yep,
so I was like thirty seven, thirty eight. Because I
remember when I turned forty, I just was I just balled,
like I mean, just crying like a baby. I was
drunk too, but I was just crying like I was
crying like a baby when I turned forty, and it

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just felt but it felt like a release, like I
remember literally remember it. That night. It was like I
was I was, I was in Angula, like my favorite island,
and I was just my wife had made this, she
had got this video made for me and it was
like like all my friends, like, you know, wishing me
happy birthday, and I just cried, like what was it though?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
What was happening?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I don't know. It's like sometimes when you turn certain ages,
like if you really are doing this life thing correctly,
you can feel those new dimensions open up, you can
feel those new portals of life open up. And you know,
twenty sixteen October twenty sixteen is when I was like, yeah,
I'm not cheating my wife anymore. I'm gonna, you know,
really do the righteous thing. I'ma start going to therapy,

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doing the work on myself. And so twenty eighteen, I
was like, maybe what a year and a half, two
years into that, right, and it kind of just hit
me like, yeah, that old I'm not that person anymore.
Like to it was like one of those things that
God was showing me if you, if you really want to,
you know, be what I have destined you to be,
keep doing what you're doing. And it kind of just

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hit me like just watching everybody with happy all day, gratitude,
tears of joy, yeah, all of it, and it really
just felt like a release. And I was like, you
know what, I'm forty now, I act like I love that.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Do you have any like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It feels like the before or after right of Charlemagne,
before that moment in time and then after it kind
of it's like two different people. Do you ever look
back at things you did back then with guilt or remorse.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Or not guilt or remorse. I think you do cringe sometimes,
you know what I mean, because like all everything we
do has been documented, you know, especially in this on
air business, right, but so sometimes you do look at
things and you cringe. But it's only because like my kids,
I got a seventeen year old, a ten year old,
a seven year old, four year old, they asking questions,

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you know, of course, so it's like sometimes, but you know,
I've learned to accept every version of myself, every single
version of myself was the version that I needed to
be in that moment.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
And has there been any apologizing or any need no
need to Like.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I don't know all the time, I don't know why
the thing that comes up when I ask you that
question when you talk about on air. At first I
was talking about your personal life, your wife and stuff,
but like even on air, when you see that clip
of like little Mama crying in the chair.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Like does that do something to you? Or do you not?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Or a moment like that, or maybe you hurt somebody's
feelings or maybe you emotionally said something that.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I can't see him to think about the little Mama situation,
think about it, because that always comes. People act like
that was yesterday, like look at my faith, Look look
how good my skin looks Now my skin was terrible.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I think about the highlight reel of moments of
like shocking Charlemagne moments.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, it's bird man, it's little Mama.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
But even little Mama says she wasn't crying at me.
She was crying because we bought up well, her mother,
who had passed away, God blessed the dead, had came up.
So in that moment, that's what it was. She said
that herself. But also the night before when they asked
Little Mama to come on, it was like like it
was like, you know, Charlamagne got jokes. A little MoMA

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was like, I'm from Harlem. I got jokes too, So
I thought we was going to have a nice little
back and forth, which we did. If you go back
and wash it in full, she was throwing some jokes.
Mine was just a little better at the time, that's all.
That's all it was. But I have but but nothing
but much respect for little mommy. You know, little Mama's
dad ran down on him because of that ship. No,
because you know, I don't be outside, so he ran that,

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he ran he called him with the hammer and everything
like no. Yeah, and he told that story before.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I vaguely remember about that part.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, yikes. So you definitely don't want to cause those
kinds of issues and those kind of problems, you know
what I'm saying. But I got good.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
But is there any been You don't even have to
say what they are, But have there been moments where
you see where you're like.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Oh, absolutely, especially when I used to work with Wendy.
Wendy was the one. Because I got with Wendy, I
was really compromising myself for a position, like I was
really the pit bull, like purposely that was my job.
And she would be like, get get get them. I
want you to get that person.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know, she wasn't enough, she wasn't doing enough well.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
She was trying to make the transition. She was trying
to make a transition to television. Oh she was trying
to do good, absolutely, and it was just it would
be sometimes where like my conscience would be like why,
like and one I always remember is Kelly Rowling, Like
she was like get up, and I'm like Kelly Roling,
like why, Like what did Kelly Rolling to?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
What did you do?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I think I came up with this angle, like we
we both know how it feels to be sidekicks, so
I'm a side. I kicked the winning she decided to
kick the Beyonce this great, stupid, disrespectful shit for no reason.
And I remember when Kelly wanted to do breakfast Club,
La La hit me like, you know, yo, Kelly wants
to do breakfast club. But she was like when she
met you with one day, it was bullshit basically, So
immediately I apologize to her when before she even walked

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in the studio and when we got on air. And
I wrote about that story in my book because I
always tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position, Like
what the hell was I attacking Kelly Rolling for? Like
just because it's like.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
The nicest boy, She's just like the purest little soul, you.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
See what I'm saying. And I still don't even know
what the issue.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Was was she was she gracious to your apology?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I love Kelly. Me and Kelly like
we super locked in. Then yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 3 (21:48):
Not Kelly Rowland.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I forgot.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
You did tell that story. You've told every story.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well, I try. I try to. I try to be
an open book and just tell people because I want
people to learn from my mistakes, you know, I want
I want this next this next generation to know they
don't have to do that, Like, I'm watching this whole
new wave of whatever. I don't know if you call
them shock jocks and the yvery ridiculous. I'm like you
like that.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I saw a clip today of somebody I don't know
who they were.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
They were like a new I don't know, blog or
interviewing somebody was and it was just gross, and I
just was like, I feel bad for them. You know,
it's almost like I feel bad for them, but I
also feel gross about I don't know, I feel.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Bad for them because I know how hurt they really
are on the inside, because you have to be a
really hurt person to talk about certain individuals the way
that you talk about them, Like it's one thing to
have an opinion, have some critique, but these people be
like really vicious, evil, nasty, and I tell them like,
the other story I tell them is like, you know,

(22:46):
sitting with Wendy earlier this year, and Wendy literally said
to us at the table, I think I'm in the
position I'm in because of how I used to talk
about people. And I was glad that Lauren la Rosso
was with me at the time to hear that.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I know when you said that to me, me this.
I couldn't believe that she said that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
She absolutely said that, and I was like, what do
you mean like karma? And she was like, well, you
know God. I never heard when you mentioned God ever
in my life.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Don't you know that you've shared this story.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I don't know. I have no idea. I haven't spoke.
She called me on my birthday over the summer, but
I haven't spoken.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
You guys were talking pretty frequently.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I thought, yeah, she called me, she called me over
on my birthday, but I haven't spoken her.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Do you believe some of that, like about the karma about.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Like absolutely, I don't know. You know, the thing about karma,
Karma's funny, right, because I've seen some really bad things
happened to people that I thought was really good people,
and I still believe that they're good people. So I
don't believe in karma.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Like hapen to bad people.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, I do something and then you get that, you know,
type of equal opposite reaction back. I don't believe in
it in that way, but I do believe, like you know,
you can curate the energy around you, and I think
sometimes you know, if you put out put out a
lot a lot of negative energy, a lot of bad energy.
I think that you can find yourself while in that
and not even realizing it.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff?
Like you said you cut people off fast, right, But
like even in that moment, even in the moment with
Wendy and her saying get and you having apologized to
Kelly and just learning from that and she forgived you right, clearly, I.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Don't know, do you forgive yourself or do you forgive
other people?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Or do you just kind of cut people out like
I would even imagine with Wendy there had to be
some type of I don't know it is, but you know.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
The thing with Wendy is like like earlier this year,
you know, we were helping her right because she was
in a bad situation. But then you know, you see
some things that remind you of that old energy, and
you're like, I don't really want that in my life, No, lover,
wish you the best, you know, glad we was able to,

(24:53):
you know, connect her with certain people. Then when you
see even how she might have treated to certain people
you connected it with, you know, so it's just like, eh,
let me, you know, I wish you the best, No
want the best for her. But that was a season
in my life. And I always say people come into
your life for you know, reasons, seasons, and you know
sometimes lifetimes. Those lifetime was are very rare, but you

(25:14):
know you appreciate the seasons and you know, move on
to the next one.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
And it was influential to you, like it helped you.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Oh, man, I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be in
the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that.
And I don't even like to have those type of
hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position
I am because that was part of my journey coming
from South Carolina. I was in Columbia at the time.
I think Columbia's market number ninety three. To go from
market number ninety three to market number one. Being Wendy

(25:43):
Williams co host like you who gets that kind of
look like that's some stuff you see in a movie,
you know, you watch on a TV show and be like, Yo,
that's damn near impossible.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I was like, Yo, I did do damn anything you
told me to do? Like yes, yeah, I was. I
was her attack dog like not not only that, I
was living with her, like living with them, like they
were giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid.
I didn't get paid for like a year and a half.
But I do that though, And that's why I always
tell you the next generation recognize opportunity when it's not

(26:23):
a pay check attached to it, because you can't put
a price on that kind of opportunity. Like it's like, Yo,
you want you up here to be her calls, but
we can't pay you. All Right, I'm out. You know,
I gotta take I gotta figure it out. Take that,
take that first step. You know, if you don't see
the rest of the staircase.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
To go back to the thing about you change your
life and your wife, what do you think? Why do
you think she hung in there with you?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I have no idea that goes back to what you're
saying about the forgiveness, Like you don't always have to
forgive people, And if you do forgive them, you can
still forgive them and move on and realize like, nah,
this person, that energy isn't for me like that, that's
the blessing, right, The blessing is when somebody forgives you
but they decide to still be in your life in
some way, shape or form. Like when somebody forgives you

(27:08):
and they're like, yeah, but that energy, I don't want
that around me. That's that's when it's like, oh man,
but you know, we've been together since we was kids,
Like you know, we've been I think, on top of
everything else, were actually friends, and so she knows me
for real, for real, Like she knows my heart for real,
for real. She knows who I am for real, for real.

(27:28):
So she was able to say, Okay, you made some mistakes,
but let's see the best apology has changed behavior. Plus,
we was, I mean growing up together. It's not like
I was the only person, you know what I mean,
Like she was in college. Every girl goes to college
and goes through their whole phase and stuff like that.
So it's just like it works, it works both ways,

(27:49):
you know. So that's just but.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
We only know your story.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
We know you were a bad husband at the beginning
because you self proclaimed bad husband.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
But you know I was always a good boyfriend, right.
But then it's like, man, honestly, it was just living
this new hip hop radio lifestyle, famous I remember talking
to somebody one time and they told me that every

(28:17):
superhero is gonna try out their new superpowers, because there
was like, you've never been that version of yourself. And
the person I'm talking about is a superstar, right, so
like you've never been this version of yourself, so you're
going to try out your new superpowers. And I didn't
understand what he meant. It was actually Chris Rock, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

(28:39):
And I remember him saying. I remember him just saying that.
To me, was like every sounds like Chris. He was like,
every superhero's gonna try out their new superpowers because you've
never been this version of yourself, and there's gonna be
a lot of things that come at you that never
came at you before. And I remember, and I always
think about that, and I always think about this quote
from the Honorable Minutes to Lewis frare Count, Honor Minister
Louis fair Count said, when you see men fall, don't laugh.

(29:02):
Learn because the same things that tempted them on their
way up, that caused them to probably you know, have
these bad habits and vices, are the same temptations that
you are going to face as well. So It's like,
those are things that I constantly think about, Like you
see great men fall, you know, and I'm gonna laugh
a little bit sometimes.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
And you know what it is, and you're gonna call
them donkey of the day.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Listen, and rubbing another man's not on your nipples is
kind of funny, right, That's that's pretty that's kind that's
pretty hysterical. But so I'm gonna laugh a little bit.
But I'm also gonna learn from the situation.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
What that situation?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh my god, man, I watched that documentary. I watched that.
I watched that documentary on an amazing day.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
You watch all four parts of all four.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Part I watched this. This was whatever they were taping this.
It was last week. It was last week Friday.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I wasn't I wasn't expecting to talk about this today.
But we should talk about it. I haven't. I rarely
talk about it. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I'm so conflicted about the whole you lived it. I
know which and I never had the best relationship with him.
People don't really know that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And and so we've had these conversations privately about the well, yes,
about how you feel that darkness.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I feel darkness from him. Yes, I remember the clip too.
Were you telling him you felt the darkness? But I
did feel that darkness. And we never had the best relationship.
I tried sometimes just because of the proximity and because
of our worlds, and and you could not not be
inspired in terms of uh work, ethic and what he's created.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
You know, there was another side. So I tried, whether
the things you heard or things you felt, things you experienced,
combination of it.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
All, combination of it all. I just personally just never
had we just never had. We knew each other, but
I just always kind of me too.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I never wanted to go to the parties, and never.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I don't think I I don't think I've ever been
to a party.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I could I could totally be wrong, and somebody will
pull up a picture of me as some party that
was says I don't remember, but I have no recollection.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
But I feel the same way too, Like you know,
I saw a person trying to try at one point
he did see that. Oh yeah, there's a video. I
don't know where it's at, but somebody took a video.
This is the first Revolt Music conference, and you know,
me and Andre were super cool I love Andre like
and God blessed the death. And so I did the
first Revote Music conference because of Dre And so we
walked into the trailer and did he was sitting in

(31:23):
there and this was right after Kim pass and he
was just like super down. And I remember he just
said to me, he goes, man, I like all the
conversations you'd be having about mental health and therapy and stuff,
because you know, I realized I've never been happy. He
said that to me. It's like I realized I've never
been happy. Wow, Like he said, never been happy. And
so you know when I hear somebody doing that. And

(31:45):
I also remember being at I was at the Potterhouse
one one time. It was the weekend of Bishop Tdjake's
birthday party and he had a party that night and
then the next day we all went to church. I mean,
I love Potthhouse. I watched them online, you know, Pastor
Torrey robertson Bishop tdjas and Saturday Jakes Roberts and so
we in the church. And YO, when I say he

(32:06):
was I don't know what was going what he was
had going on, but he was going through it. I mean,
holy ghoes jumping up and down tears, and I just
remember looking at him like, but he's going through it,
so clearly he was trying right. So you know, I
give I give everybody the opportunity to evolve, but that

(32:27):
I'm not the universe, I'm not God. So it don't
matter what I think. You still got to deal with
whatever you was putting out there. And that's what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, it's funny to even talk about it because I
don't know. I just like somebody asked me the other day,
if I would interview Puff if he came out, would you.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I'd have to think about it.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It wouldn't be a younger me would say, of course,
it's my job. Absolutely yes. Now I'd have to say
what kind of offering would that be to the world?
Would it be worth it for me? Do I want
to put myself in that noise? Can I do something
really meaningful? You know, I'd have to ask myself some
questions like that. It's not just a yes, I'll do

(33:08):
it because because it'll be huge. I mean I say no,
the huge things all the time.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's what I love about you. I mean, you know,
it is so funny. Debbie Brown, who's a great friend
of mine. That's my good sister. She literally said. She
texted me like two days ago and was like, yo,
because she loves Tupac like I'm talking about she's the
person that haunted me exactly. She she loves two BOC.
She was like, yo, Angie really needs to put out
the TAC audio Debbie Brown. Maybe it's time then, And

(33:35):
I said to her, I said, well, you know, she
never wanted to put it out because you know, I
thought it would be inflammatory, right.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I know, there's a rumor on the internet that Puff
somehow paid me for those tapes, Like I like, I
held those tapes for all those years so that Puff
could pay me.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's absolutely there's zero truth to that but that but
you're right, that's why. That's why I never did it.
And then now I think, for what is the point now?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
There's nothing there that changes history or changes but I
know people are interested.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I think people want to break it down psychologically
because there's this.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Let's do it. You want to do it with me,
you want to do like.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh that'd be amazing, Let's do it because she you
know what it is. I think people we realized Pap
wasn't as crazy as people thought.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And also he was young.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
He was very young.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
He hadn't gone through the Imagine Pac after therapy healed.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
When you think that was it twenty four to twenty five?

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yes, twenty four, So his.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Full frontal cortex wasn't even fully.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Imagine him going through how the other side of Charlotte Bae,
Imagine the other side of Pac what that would have
been I would see. Then then I look at the
tapes and I go, well, now that has meaning. If
I release it in a way where it actually has
meaning and does something good for the world, I want
to just put it out so people could talk about
it and have it on the internet for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Question, because you actually have gotten to meet all of
these people that are mythical to us. Would Tupac have
evolved like Jay or would he evolve like fifty?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Like Jay? But different?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I see Tupac were having institutions, universities, programs, schools.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, I see him like a like. Well, Nipsey didn't
even get to become Nipsey the Nipsey that he would
have been.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
But in that kind of lane, I don't think he would.
He valued money from and I'm not speaking as somebody
who knew him the best. I had, you know, one
amazing day with him and some small interactions other than that.
But I've analyzed him just like everybody else has.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
But he knew you well enough to say I wanted.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
He didn't know me at all. He used to listen
to me when he was in jail.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's why so of the people that he would be
listening to, he'd say, Wow, you, I respect you on
the air. You never talked about me. You didn't say
I've never heard you say anything that was not true.
And I thought if somebody would listen to me, it
would be you. That's that was literally what he said
to me. And I was like shit in the middle
of this fuck But but you know it was the
young man.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I said, Okay, you had to do it.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I had to go do it. Yeah, So I did it.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
But that's always been your super super power though, making
people comfortable. Yeah, and being being such a great listener.
I used to always tell you that, I'm like, Yo,
that's a skill I want. I want to skill skill.
I think I've developed it now a little bit, like
like like actually making people comfortable. It's like you know.
I don't know if you've ever seen that. It's like
this folk tale about the wind and the sun, and

(36:21):
the wind and the sun had a battle about you
know who they could make take their jacket off, right,
and this guy, this guy walking with a jacket on.
And so the wind goes first and the wind is
blowing all crazy, trying to blow the guy's jacket off
with the guy grabbed the jacket tighter and he's holding
on to it because the wind is blowing. But then
the sun came out in the sun. It's all, you know,

(36:42):
high in the sky and it's radiating its beams and
it makes it making everything really hot. And the guy's like, oh,
the guy takes his coat off, nickting, you know, the
guy takes his shirt off. By the end of the story,
the guy's laying under the tree with like his boxes on,
like just sunbathing basically. So you know, I always like,
I'd rather be the sun, like you've always been the suns.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Like the nicest compliment ever. Thank you the truth, Thank
you man. Would you interview puff right now? To go
back to that question you ask me, I.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Think we'd be doing them a disservice. And the reason
I say that is because he just still seem like
he's on the oh shit, And I look at it
like it's a few things that make me feel that way.
When the Cassie accuzations first came out, he denied him,
and then the tape came out, so you can't deny that.
And then when you look at the documentary, you see

(37:32):
him still even trying to manipulate you know, the media
and people up until he's even about to be in jail.
And you know, I don't know if it's true that
he sent fifty those flowers, but if you did that,
it's like, yo, you're still thinking about all the wrong things,
and even watching the documentary, like he really cares about
being puff, like being that character puff, like having those trappings,

(37:56):
even more so than you know, accountability for what he did,
you know, going to jail. He just I care about
my image, and I think that if he comes out
and he's still on that we'd be doing a disservice
by putting cameras all back in his face.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
That's so funny you say that that I do operate
in that way too, like I think because I'm always
looking like you know, I'm looking for the truth in somebody,
even if the truth is ugly, even if the truth
is uncomfortable. I want to just get to know you
and know why your truth is like that. But if
I don't feel like somebody can do that, then why
are we doing this? I agree, you know what I'm saying,

(38:32):
Then why And that doesn't mean I won't talk to
bad people or people who've been through bad things, or
people who sometimes are trying to still figure it out.
I will because I think there's learning and all of that.
I think we can learn lessons from It's funny, oof
I should share this, but I just got a request
for Russell Simmons to do the pod.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think you should do that one you do, yes,
because I've always say Russell has a very interesting story.
And if Ussell is ever allowed to really talk freely
right like the way he talks behind the scenes, I
think it would bring a lot of clarity to I
thought he was living what you said earlier about them

(39:14):
being so young and having all that money and that
power and you know that access to things like I
think that could be a very teachable moment. And Russell
is a person who's really willing to teach, like Russell
can tell you where he was wrong at Russell can
tell you.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Where if that was the case, then that's absolutely something
I want to do. But that was that was But
that is the questioning that I asked myself when I
get that message, is like, will he be honest?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Is there something to learn here? Is there accountability here?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Because I don't want to sit across with somebody and
I feel like you should be taking some accountability and
they don't.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
That could be weird.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And also I feel like I would have to be
sensitive to other people's stories. You know, it's a sensitive
conversation which I'd be willing to have if I felt
like ultimately the world is a better place for the conversation.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I guess that's the bottom line, right.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I've always said that it needs to be a woman
who interviews somebody like Russell Simmons, and you'd be perfect
because you that was you know, part of your era
as well. And then just the fact that when you
hear his story, if he ever told like the story
like just I'm talking about everything from that whole era,
it is it's very teachable moments that you know would

(40:24):
be coming from him and not through somebody making a
documentary about it right now, because like I said, did
he Doctor was a teachable moment as well. But you know,
you don't know what selatious and what's not. But his
story from his mouth, I think a lot of people
could learn.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, I'm leaning towards yes on that for that reason,
for those reasons alone. But you know, it's complicated. The
world we're in as complicated right now. Sometimes you have
the best intentions and you could have a great conversation
that is very meaningful to a group of people, and
then it takes legs of a life of its own
once you serve it up on a platter to the cesspool.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Here's the thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
But you can't really operate out of fear to go.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
But I grew up in the era where Dona Hue
had the Grand Wizard of the KKK on like like
people were going to the jail to interview Charles Manson,
Jeffrey Jeffrey Dama eight people, and people were interviewing him.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Would you interview Jeffrey Dahma?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yes, I mean probably, yeah, yeah, I probably would. You know,
Gail King had all Kelly artists like like I never
understood when when when that line in journalism was like,
just we're not doing that anymore. But I didn't. I
didn't grow up that way. I grew up watching these
people interview these these folks, and you wanted to hear
from them. I have interviewed murderers, and that's what I'm saying,

(41:43):
all types of folks.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, for sure, don't.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I don't see I wouldn't see that. I don't see
the shuit with it.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah. Do you say no to things for those type
of reasons ever?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yes? Yeah, absolutely, because to your point, because of the
era that we live in now, and you know, sometimes
you don't you're not thinking about the person who's going
to be hurt. Yeah by this, I do.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
That's my problem.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I think about the person that gets hurt all the time.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
It's probably why I never you could tell Debbie, that's
probably why I never put the POC tapes out, because
I think about the people that are going to get
hurt from that, even the people that are talked about
on the tape.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
The hell that that lands. Wow, I do think about that.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Have you ever gone back and list of those tapes
and su Yes? But so you know clearly you know
what happened to everybody he talked about. I don't even
know who we talked about.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But yes, there's people who are no longer here.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Not just big I mean, there's people in the rap
world who passed and he's talking about him, and not
in a way that's helpful to the world. It's just
he was angry at the time. He was twenty four,
in the middle of a war, you know, an internal war,
like you know, so he's talking shit about everybody, this
one that is one, that's one of most.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
People are not even here some you know.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
So it's it's there's just some ugliness to it that
I don't even think would be representative of him at
this point. But it's not for me to say. I know,
people really want it, so we'll figure it out. You'll
help me figure out.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Absolutely. That was Debbie's point. Debbie was like, yo, he
was paranoid, angry people, all those people just trying to
kill him.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And also, if I'm being really honest, it's like not amazing.
I was twenty it was like my first No, listen,
it's not it's not a seasoned, devolved Angie Martinez on
the radio. It's a brand new Angie Martinez on the radio.
There's not a lot of follow up questions.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
How long is that?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's not me really, it's about an hour and forty
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Our forty of Tupac and Angie Martinez.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yes, but it's a baby Angie Martine.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
We'll see you'll say, I'm gonna let you listen to it,
and then we'll say.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Oh, yes, that's what I'm talking about. You've got that
on cameras. Let me listen to it. I'll let you
hear it.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
You're gonna have to find it. No, I have, I
know where it is. I have, I haven't digitized.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I've always asked about that interview. Like even people that
I know that you used to like go through your stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
We're talking about it because now all the comments of
this interview. Now, now the comments of our interview are
gonna say at.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Least but the people that people who work for you,
they love you so they hold you down like a vault,
they'd be like, I don't know, I don't know what's
on it. I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I also haven't told a lot of people or played
it for people. I really have kept it quiet.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I don't trust people, even people that I love. I
don't trust people to hold secrets ooh, because I think
everybody has a best friend. Everybody has a best friend.
Everybody has a small circle of people they confide in, even.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
If they mean well, even if I tell you something,
I pride myself on being a vault like. You could
tell me something and say it's really important to me
to not share this, and ninety nine point nine percent
of the time I really won't because I value that
so much. But I'm an idea. It's part of my like.
I deeply value that. I don't know that most people

(44:52):
operate through the world now.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I don't know how many people like that.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
My wife is like that, And so I think most
times when you tell people things, they mean well, oh
no I want tell nobody. Of course not, but you
got a small circle of trusted people.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
And then those people all also have a small trust
circle of trusted people. So I really keep a lot
of things very close to the chest because unless it's
something I'm comfortable knowing, which is a lot of things,
I don't hide a lot.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I don't have a lot of If.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I give you my word, I'm not gonna do it.
If I if you tell somebody, tell me something like
you don't tell nobody? All right, all right, you're good
at that. Yeah, because you if you actually tell me,
not that, I'm like, I'm right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I believe that. I feel like I've told you things
before and it didn't it didn't move.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah. But plus also, who am I gonna tell? Like,
like you know, we all know the gossip to share
with certain people, Like that's what Andy Martinez told me,
Like why why why do I care? Like you know
what I mean, what's going on in your life? Exactly exactly?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I kind of just committed to drop in the tapes.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No, yes you did?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Is that what just happens today?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
That wasn't my plan today. Fuck, we really had to
figure that out. Then let's talk about it later.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Our forty it might be like an eight part documentary nowadays. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
It makes me sad though in general, just because for
the culture like we I feel like all our pillars
are like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think about that all the time. That's why whenever
I see people like Hove, I always be like, yo, man,
you know, I salute you.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
So at every corner they try to chop them down.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
At every turn, But it don't matter. That plane is
still landing with the wheels out. Yeah, you know that plane,
And that's that's the point, Like you want your plane
to land with the wheels.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Out, right, do you feeling some of that what I
don't know, just that pressure to be a pillar in
that way, and well.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Honestly, you just got to do the right thing, like
that's like, that's what I was watching when I was
watching the doc last week. That's all I kept saying
to myself, Like how hard is it to do the
right thing like that? That that's either that's a choice.
Our humans are more like animals than we want to,
you know, realize, meaning that a scorpion is a scorpion regardless, Right,

(46:55):
it's going to sting you if you go into the jungle.
The lion isn't more delicious. He's in the jungle, so
it's going to eat you, and you ain't got no
business in the jungle. So sometimes I wonder about certain humans.
I'm like, that just gotta be in you, Like those
can't be conscious choices that you're making to be that way,

(47:16):
Like you just might be innately wired like that. I
know that I'm not innately wired, Like I ain't perfect,
but I ain't them niggas, you know, not touching. But
I'm just saying I'm not perfect, but I'm not that.
So I just think sometimes that just gotta be.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Like that in yours. It's like a ruthless.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, that gotta be in you, because I think the
easiest thing to do is do right by people, you
know what I mean, pay people with their old you know, hey,
maybe don't hang this guy out the window. Like there's
like there's certain ways that you, you know, you make choices.
I think those are just either poor either really poor
choices are just innately in people.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I think a lot of it too, uh not to
just not just puff, but like even just that time
and some of our leaders and moguls at that time,
they didn't have a lot, They didn't have the clarity
of therapy and healing and trauma.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Nobody there was.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Nobody was talking about trauma, Nobody was talking about any
of that.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
It wasn't never a conversation.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It's so common now as every podcast as an episode
about some version of that. You have made great strides
and having us open this conversation even more.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
But I wouldn't about that too, though, because when I
told my dad, when my dad started hearing me talk
about me going to therapy and my experiences with anxiety
and depression twenty eighteen, he told me he was like, yo,
I was going to therapy twenty three times a week,
and you know, so.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
You think some people were doing it and not saying that.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yes, my dad told me he tried to kill himself
back in the day. He was on tend He said
ten to twelve different medications with his various mental health issues,
and I'm like, I remember to tell her asking my mom, like, yo,
did you know Dad was going through all that? And
she was like, I just thought he was playing crazy
to get a check, but he was really going through
what he was going through, but he never shared that
with anybody. I wonder how many people, actually, you know,

(49:02):
we're doing the work and didn't know they had issues,
but just weren't telling.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Folks in hip hop culture, I don't definitely was not
a conversation, and I would be really surprised if the
majority of people were doing it.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I don't think people were doing work.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I think people were running around with new power, new money, unhealed, reckless,
fighting demons, with no kind of I'm not making excuses
for anybody or anything at all, but I'm just saying
it was a different time, and some people worked on
it and became better, and maybe some people didn't.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, I mean, listen, That's how I was. When I
was sitting back watching that doc last week. Man, all
I kept thinking to myself was I don't want to
be that, whatever that is. I don't even want that
nowhere near me, Like I don't even want to be
in that type of mix. But I don't put myself
in that type of mix. I've never been an industry
tutionalized person.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I like going home, but you're also on a journey
in a quest to be healthy. Absolutely, it's a different
that in itself separates you from that situations.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Absolutely. But I also was just thinking about when I
was even younger, I don't want to hurt I've never
wanted to hurt people. Have I unintentionally hurt people, of course,
but I've never intentionally been like I'm going to hurt
that person. Like that's never I've never had that in me,
Like I never was that guy who could just but you.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Weren't a place where you didn't care if you hurt somebody, Well, I.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I was in a place of survival.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And I always say you can't judge people for what
they're trying to do when they're in survival mode. Like
I was literally just trying to survive, you know. Like
when I first got back to New York, you gotta think, man,
I had just been fired four times from radio. I
just came off, you know, living with my mom at
thirty one, thirty two years old. My now wife was
back home living with her parents. You know, our daughter

(50:44):
was like one or two. I just collected my last
unemployment check the week I drove back up to New York,
you know, to start doing Breakfast Club. I was not
going back home. I was not trying to feel that
in any way, shape or form. So in that moment,
anybody could get it, like literally anybody could. Well, no,
this was after this is a breakfast club. Yes, but

(51:07):
Wendy was Wendy was. I love that because those are
different lessons from life, right that. What I learned from
Windy was don't compromise yourself for a position. What I
learned from Breakfast Club was don't judge anybody for what
they do while they're in survival mode because I was
just literally trying to survive.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
I mean, thank god you made it out pretty unscathed.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I guess you don't think.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, you're flourishing, your skin looks great, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, but that took work, you know. But but you know,
so that's such a that's such a great comment because
what people thought was success wasn't success to me, which
is also the mind fuck, right, because this is what
you said you wanted, right, Like you said you wanted
all of this, But if you are doing it, if
you get it and you're not happy, like I know,

(51:53):
I'm not doing right by you know, my wife, right,
I know that a lot of the anxiety comes from
this line. And I'm living like you know, like I said,
going home, laying next to her, acting like everything is
all good. But you know, another business trip this weekend,
even though it was actual business trip. But it's what
you do amongst the business. Our business is different, you know,
as you know. So it's just like you can have
all of that and not be happy internally. So is

(52:17):
it really success? No? Not to me. I don't care
what you know, you got in your pocket. And at
the time I was making more money than I ever
made in my life. Like you know, breakfast club is booming,
you know, great things are happening professionally, but personally, I'm like, yo,
who am I? And her being the person that knows
me better than anybody on this planet? Who are you

(52:40):
like that? Would I remember one moment in particular, getting
that phone call, you know, early in the morning when
you ain't you know, you in La she on these
coast times, so it's three to are but six something
over here, and you getting that call and that woman's intuition,
what are you doing? I'm sleeping? What are you doing?

(53:02):
I'm sleeping? No, what are you doing with your life?
Because you're about to lose everything? Motherfucker? Okay, starting with us.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Like, oh you believe that?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
That was like that God moment, Like oh yeah, like
you know you can get that God will show you
these signs, and sometimes those signs are very direct, right,
and you can choose to ignore them and think that
you can continue to fly close to the sun or
continue to think that you bigger than the program, and
you will be humbled, you know, very very very very quick.

(53:33):
So that was one of those moments.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
You must worship her forgetting.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
The worship the ground she walks on all the time.
I say, I say that to her in some way,
shape or form every day, like literally every day, because
I think that, you know what the Bible is right,
when a man finds a good wife, he finds a
great thing. And like that woman can be all things
to you in a matter of moments. And I literally

(53:58):
so I literally said this to her last night. It's
like I watched her in the kitchen and it was dinner.
Then I ate, and then I had like a cut
on my back and she's upstairs and she put the
ointment on and put the band aid on, and then
I was, you know, being funny with her, and I'm
just like, yo, you were this in the kitchen. You

(54:19):
were you know this when you put the ointment on,
and then if we wanted to, you could be the
freak right now. And I was just like, yo, the
women are so multi dimensional, it's amazing. I literally said
this to her last night, Like women can be so
multi dimensional that it's amazing, and like that is a
blessing for a man to have, and it's not something
that I take for granted in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
That's beautiful it's just the truth. Look at you. What
makes a good husband.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I'm still learning that. I'm still figuring that out. Like
I don't think that that's something that you. I don't
know if that's something you ever really truly figure out,
because I think every day of your life you gotta
wake up and set your intention and say, yo, I
want to be a great husband. And you know, every
day you're not gonna get it right. Same thing with fatherhood.
You're not gonna get fatherhood right. You know, every day
because there's no manual.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
We don't know you much as a father in the public,
like you've been very kind of I mean, you share
stories and lessons, but you've been very intentional about having
boundaries in that.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, just because I feel like, you know,
they didn't sign up for any of this, you know
what I mean, And I just I don't feel like them.
I don't want them to have to deal with any
of that type of scrutiny. Yeah, you know, but my
oldest is seventeen. Wow, she thinks I'm just a ridiculous person.
She don't take me seriously any way, shape or formed. Like,

(55:44):
she really does not take me serious. She tells me
every day. I'm not funny, Like literally every day. You're
not funny. You think you's so funny, but you're not funny.
Oh nah, she's a very I got a very humbling
seventeen year old because she's like very stoic. And she's
a cancer too, so I know she shows her emotions
in different ways. But you know, cancers have that hard

(56:06):
outside shell and then that soft interior like the crab,
and that's that's how she is.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yep, Charlotta made the Dad.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I love it. I don't think there's anything more more important.

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Speaker 1 (58:00):
Well, it's a mental health expo. The expo. Yeah, we
do the Mental Health Expo every every October around World
Mental Health Day. And you know, I have an organization
called the Mental Wealth Alliance and it's a nonprofit and
you know, our goal is to get ten million people
free therapy over the next you know, five years. And
you know, we want to increase the amount of black

(58:21):
and brown mental health professionals because I think, oh, yes,
black people only make up like four percent is that right, Yeah,
of all mental health professionals. So I want to get
it to at least reflect the population of black people
in this country. So we got we got like actual
goals and mission statements that we want to do. And
you know, dev is nuts. He's on the board of
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(58:42):
next year, Like I want to.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I love that you're doing that because I remember after
my car accident, right and you were one of the
I was looking for somebody to help me with some
PTSD and I called you because you had just you
had been doing so much work and advocate for therapy
and mental health.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
And I was like, hey, look for a PTS. Do
you remember this star call some PTSD work?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
And then I realized, Wow, if I'm calling him, everybody
must be calling you.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Oh man, like everybody must be like you. Probably like
rappers all music.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
COVID.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
During COVID, every rapper in the world was reaching out,
and it was It was funny to me because I
remember one rapper in particular reached out. He's like, man,
I'm just realizing I got angry ishoes and I'm like,
you you just realizing your house. I write the name down,
I write the name down, you like you are just

(59:40):
realizing that. And I was like, he was like, yeah,
I really want to.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
See Oh god, you don't even have to finish it.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
And he was like, I really want to sit down
and you know, just talk to somebody. But I was
just like but that was It was just mind boggling
to me because COVID was the time where all of
us had to be still and some of us were
really seeing each other for the first time, seeing ourselves
for the first time, and a lot of us didn't
like what we saw. But that during COVID, every I
promise you this felt like every rapper was reaching out,

(01:00:09):
looking to talk, wanting to talk to somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
And finally, the good therapist is really hard, very hard.
So coming to you, so people in their like vulnerable
state coming to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Must feel I don't know, not like a burden but responsibilities.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It honestly felt good because it felt good that I
was able to point people in the direction like, hey,
you should go talk to this person, right, this is
a good person that you that you should sit down
and talk to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
How many good therapists are that you can recommend, like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Know a lot. Yeah, because because of this conversation, the
conversations that I've was having around my own you know,
mental health issues, and you know the work that I've
been doing in the last decade in the space, I
know some really good ones, from doctor Rita Walker to
doctor Alfred Breeland, Noble, the guys like doctor j Barnett,
you know, Elliott Connie. Then there's people that they can
talk to like Jason Wilson, Like, there's so many fantastic,

(01:01:00):
you know people in this space.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
What is your number one advice for somebody who's never
done therapy and looking to start doing some work on themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Don't don't give up just because you go there, because
it's not like you go there and have one conversation
and then your everything's fixed, your heels. You know, healing
is a constant process, right, and you should, you know,
just take it. Takes a It takes a while to
really start unpacking. Like I know, I probably lied to
my first therapist a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Lying to the therapist is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
But I just know I probably was like because you're
kind of telling her like have truth, your version, your
your verse. Yes, your version. Hey, that's the perfect way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Because we lie to ourselves, so that's right. So you're
telling the therapists your version.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It takes time for them to that's right, and then
they be like slow walking you sometimes because they want
you to get to the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
So don't always tell you that annoys me about therapists.
I like a therapist to get to it. I'd be like,
tell me what you see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
And some people you just don't. You might not feel
super comfortable opening up to. You might just go to
the therapist and feel like, Okay, I know I'm supposed
to talk to this person, so let me talk. But
I'm not, you know, being completely completely honest about everything.
So what good is that really? You know? Doing you?
That's why I said when I when I did ayahuasca,
I had was that it was incredible. I did it

(01:02:17):
two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
No fear. I have fear because I feel like, could
it mess with your brain?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Like I had fear the first day? But the first
day and told me everything was gonna be fine. It
told you, oh yes, like that spirit mother ayah God,
I don't know what you call it, but it's really
talking to you, like it's really like I can't even
say voices in your head, like you're having full blown
conversations with this spirit, with this entity, and this spirit

(01:02:45):
is willing to show you whatever you're willing to look at,
and once you're there with it, it's not going to
let you look away. Like you know how sometimes you
have those glimpses of things, like you try to suppress
in your mind. It's like no, yes, look at this
look and you're gonna you're gonna have to deal with it.
And I remember I did. I did a three day,

(01:03:07):
three day retreat. So on the second day is when
it like really kicked my ass. And that's when I
came up with the whole concept of you know, stop
lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lives to other people.
And that's when the whole book get honest or get
honest or die lying. And that's when I was like,
you know, either you're going to be all the way
honest about these experiences and these things that you've gone through,

(01:03:29):
are you know, we're gonna have to figure something else out.
And it was it was it was that moment that
really was like, Okay, this this is the real eye opener,
Like this is you If I'm going to really live
in authentic life, it's gonna be from this point on.
That's why this year is very important because this is
this is the year of the snake. The lunar in

(01:03:50):
Chinese odiac wait a year the snake. Two twenty six
is a year of the horse, but twenty twenty five is
a year the snake, because we're supposed to be shedding
all all our old bullshit, like all our old bullshit,
the bad energy, the negative energy, you know, the things
that have caused you guilt, the things that you're insecure about.
Like this is the year that you're supposed to really, really,

(01:04:11):
really let it all go, and it's about new beginnings
and transformation. In twenty twenty six is the year of
the horse, and you're supposed to get off, get on
that horse, and you know, ride into your destiny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Sold sold, So I would like to buy that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
That's right. And it's a nine year, and nine is
the highest level of change. So if you feel like
things are changing right now, if you feel like there's
a shift going on with you right now, it's because
it actually is. It energetically, karmically is right now. And
then we got nineteen days to really shed and you know,
let all of those things from the past that may

(01:04:50):
have been holding you back, all those regrets, whatever it is.
You got nineteen days to let that all go and
ride off into the sunset in twenty twenty six on
your horse.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I might have to do ayahuasca before the end of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
The year I got there huh, Mexico. I did it
in Cali, Cali. I did it in Cali, and it
was an amazing experience and I recommend it. Yes, I
did it with a group of people. It was like,
are you fifteen of us? And well you knew I
didn't know everybody, but I knew the Whost family very well,
and my wife and my wife did it and my

(01:05:23):
wife did it with us, and yeah, it was it
was very I can't. I can't even if you're already
a spiritual person and you've already been doing the work
on yourself, it is one of the most incredible things
that you could ever do. I don't even know if
I would do it if I hadn't ha done, had
done so much work on myself. Like, you don't go

(01:05:44):
from zero to that, Yeah, you don't go from zero
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
So go Charlamagne. This is urt.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I just want to thank you for helping me understand
just how necessary and how essential I am in this world.
You know, when I first moved to New York City,
I was twenty one years old at the time, fresh
out of college, and things didn't go my way as
I plan at all. You know, I felt like a failure.
I was working at a small apartment gym in Manhattan

(01:06:28):
and looking back home, I was watching my friends get
into their corporate jobs and living their dreams, and I
felt embarrassed and lost. But when I heard your South
Carolina commencement speech, it changed my mindset. You said that
we are necessary because God designed us, and that reminded
me that my journey still has purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
So I repeat that to myself every night.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
So I want to thank you for helping me understand
my powers hard.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Oh did you know that story? Did you know that
about him?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Yeah? I knew to think about this a line of
commission speech because I remember seeing him tweet one day
that he a posts on Instagram somewhere He used to
always tag me, and he was like, I listen to
this speech every day, and then you know, nihilou he
knew Nihlage in somehow, some way, and nowledge like, I
really want you to meet this guy named art he
you know, really looks up to you and now art
works up one five to one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
So you're really good like that, like seeing the driving
people and the talent and people and supporting and putting
your arms around them, which I think is amazing. But
isn't that cool when you when you have a moment
that that line you said about God designed line.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, God, God You're necessary because God designs you to
be necessary. You just got to find that thing that
you're necessary at doing. Like that's the problem with the
world that we're in now. It's so many people trying
to do what everybody else is doing. So I'm like,
why be a second rate version of somebody else when
you could be a first rate version of yourself. Like
the analogy I like to use is is Christmas time?

(01:07:59):
And what it's Christmas time? Lord that mercy, it's Christmas time,
and so there's a big old Christmas tree. But everybody
in the world has a gift under that tree that
can absolutely change their life and change their circumstance. Your
gift is under there, it's there, but everybody in the
world is trying to get to their gift. So imagine

(01:08:21):
how frustrated you'll get your art saying how he saw
everybody else getting their corporate jobs. Some people get frustrated
about that and just quick they just be like, ah, man,
I ain't gonna never find you know what's mine. So
the only person that can literally stop you in that
situation is you. If you just be patient, if you
just keep working, if you just be consistent at trying
to find what it is that you know is going

(01:08:41):
to change your life, eventually you will find your gift.
And when you find that gift, everything else opens up
for you. But just imagine the frustration that could set
in when everybody in the world is competing with you
to try to find their gift. Under this tree. It's there.
It just takes some patience in some time. I'm defined
it right and not quit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
But it's one thing to have this idea of this
epiphany that you have right and then say it and
then go to a commencement speech and share it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I don't know, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Receiving it back when you see it actually doing its work.
It's actually you plant the scene and it actually lands
and it actually changes somebody's life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
That's God. That's why when you so when you pray
as when you're writing a speech, right, like when you're
writing a commisment speech. I wrote, I write like don't
I didn't have a team of writers. It wasn't no
GPT with I this commission speech. Like I wrote the
commission speech and it was from my mother's alma mater,
South Carolina State University. And then I ended up getting
an honorary degree from them as well. And so it's

(01:09:41):
just like when I wrote that, like those I pray,
I say, God, I want you to guide my words.
What is it that you want me to tell these
students in this moment. That's the download God gave me
to share to them, Share with them. Look at art,
Look at art, look at Hardt. All even appreciates you
know where he's at because I you know, you remember that,

(01:10:04):
you remember being a young board out working at the
radio station, you know. But now they these kids can
do other things as well, have their own podcasts and stuff.
While they're doing that. It's just fun to watch because
you just never know where people are going to end up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, it is really fun.

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Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
I don't know. All these questions aren't the same question.
If today were your last day on earth, what would
you be doing? Dying?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Dying?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Maybe your death is sudden, Maybe your death is sudden,
Why would you? Maybe you don't know. Maybe you have
a whole full day before you start dying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
If today was my last day on Earth, I would
be living.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I don't know why. My Joe Button death concept just
came to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
What's the Joe, butden death concept.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
I had Joe on the pod.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
He thinks that we all have. This was when I
was in my We're all Gonna die bag in the
beginning of the pod. But he has a theory that
there are signs that we all get, signs in our
life that will let us know how we're gonna leave,
like how we're gonna pass interesting. If you pay attention
to the details of your life, that it almost will

(01:12:02):
tell you how it's gonna end.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Interesting. I know you have to hear from me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Are you friendly with him or you guys you're like
good and bad. You're like front of me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
No, I haven't talked to him in a while. I
haven't talked to Joe in a while. I don't have
I don't have any problems with you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Actually, I feel like you should be friendly, the two
of you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
No, I actually got I got a lot of love
with Joe, Me and Joe. You know what it is,
Me and Joe when we are mad at each other,
we go bad on each other. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
But you're both involved now like you should be. You
should be in better space.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Like I don't know, I know you both.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I know I'll run into him somewhere and we will
pick up like we always have. I'm sure, but that's
all it is. When me and Joe go bad, we
go bad on each other. And like when I hear
why he he's upset with me, I'm like, oh, I
can understand why he why he felt that way, you
know what I'm saying like this, like this last one,

(01:12:58):
I'm like, all right, I get it. I didn't mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
It in the way that he received it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Received it, but I can understand why he felt that way.
That's when I think when he when he was going
through his, uh, his last situation with Spotify, and I
was on the radio and I said, I said, I
think Joe Budden understands Joe Budden knows his worth, he
just doesn't know how to negotiate it or something like
I think, I said. And I was just like, you know,
if if every time you're at a corporation and things

(01:13:25):
don't go the way you want them to, kind of
gotta blame you and you and your team. And then
we were saying it was a whole discussion around podcasts,
and I was like, you know, you can't compare yourself
to the Joe Rogan's and the Bill Simmons and all
of those guys, because Joe Rogan is an anomaly number one, Like, no,
don't nobody do numbers like Rogan period, black, white, It
don't matter. And you know the guys like Bill Simmons, them,
they have networks, so they get compensated a little bit

(01:13:47):
different for that. And so that was actually a conversation
I probably shouldn't have been having publicly publicly on air,
but you know, we on radio, we on these podcasts,
and we all do it. He he does it as well,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
So but I in that moment, what he was saying
was when somebody like Charlamagne says that these people are listening,
like meaning not regular listeners, the people that Spotify and
the people that these corporations. But it wasn't like I
wasn't saying he wasn't worth it. I was just just
speaking how I felt about the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
And in that moment, and you're both speaking to your audience,
to our audience, you are not speaking to each other exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
But you know the crazy part is we were. We
do speak to each other. So it's like, I'll go
from that on the radio to then watching him tweet,
and then we might be on the phone that afternoon
having the same discussion argument. But I don't think he
expressed me back then that he didn't like me saying
that on the air. It was just a debate about
the content of the situation. And then it was even

(01:14:49):
when he went bad on his podcast. We were on
the phone that Sunday, and then another time he got
mad because I didn't answer his call and it's stupid shit.
So's it's really nothing. But when we go bad on
each other, we go bad? What the hell on each other?
What is that? It's because you're probably both mad men.
I don't fucking you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
I was thinking something in that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
I just wonder if you guys were I enjoy you
both very much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
I would like to see you guys make NICEA sure
it will, I'm sure it will.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
All right? One more? Take one more? Or in real
life ball question?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Give me something? That last one was dark?

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
It was dark?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
What are some of your pet peeves?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Triggers?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Adult liars? I hate adult liars. Who are you afraid of?
What are you still lying for? At your big age?
I was born in nineteen hundred and seventy I'm forty seven.
There's no reason for adults to be lying to each other.
I can't stand it. It drives me crazy when adults

(01:15:56):
lie to each other like we're grown, because it feel
like you're lying to themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Usually it's because they lying to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
That's right, that's right. So most people that are still
lying to themselves have no problem lying to you. And
I don't understand how we advance as a society, or
forget society. I don't understand how this relationship can advance
if we're never dealing with reality. I'm dealing with reality,
but you're always lying. I can't have people. I cannot
have people like that around me, those pet those pet peeves,

(01:16:26):
those type of triggers. I don't want those people around me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
What are you most proud of about yourself through this
whole journey?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Man? What am I most proud of about myself? I've
never thought about that. What am I most proud of
about myself? I mean, honestly, probably probably the evolution of
of of being a husband and being being a father
like that. That's that's when I feel the most proud

(01:17:00):
that I've created like a stable environment for my kids,
like my kids have so many options and for the
rest of their life will have so many options, you know.
Like I always say, I wanted to just raise trauma
free children for the most part, and I think I've
been doing a pretty good job of that. Like you
can't protect them from life, of course, but you know

(01:17:22):
they live a good life, you know, like they got
the trauma from and they get the trauma from me exactly,
Like they live a good life. Like the fact that
you know, we are able to travel and I didn't
get on a plane until I was twenty one, twenty
two years old, flying in New York, like twenty one
twenty two years the person I even traveled, right, But
for them, they've been all around the world right like
like and you see how that shows up and just

(01:17:45):
their everyday vernacular, like you know, their their their intelligence,
like the way they're able to communicate with people. When
they're in school, they're you know, doing reports about their
reading about places they've actually been. Like that's cool. When
you watch your daughter, I have to do a report on,
you know, someplace like South Africa, but she's like, I
got pictures of me and South Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I'm gonna tell you about that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Exactly what you mean, Nelson Mandela I was at I
went to the jail that Nelson Mandela was in. Like
that stuff, you know, means a lot. So I think
that I'm most proud of being able to be in
a position to create that kind of environment for my
wife and kids to where they can live live a
pretty trauma free life. Well done, that's what makes me proud.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
I mean, that's pretty good. That's a great accomplishment. This
is my last question. This is my favorite one in
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
One more thing, Yes, And the opportunities I'm able to
provide by being in this position because I always say
I want to be the adult that I needed as
a child. And going back to you know, not not
the hard parted, but going back to the document documentary,
it's like, you know, just being able to do right
by people, you know what I'm saying, Like like, you know,

(01:18:56):
it's a great feeling to have somebody reach out and
be like, you know, this check is the biggest check
I've ever seen in my life. Like that type of
like I like stuff like that, you know what I mean,
Being able to put somebody in position to you know,
get a book deal, whatever it is, helping other people,
you know, make their dreams come alive. That is that?

(01:19:18):
That makes me proud too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
That's pretty great. Here's your last question.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
You picked it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I picked it out and it's my favorite one, so
I'm trying to make sure you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
That's my favorite question.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Jesus Christ, I me your glasses. If God were to
text you right now, what would it say. He would
say good job, That's what he would say.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Two words.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
He would say good job, maybe keep going. Probably might
say good job keeping You know what. I want him
to say, good job, keep going, because good job might
mean all right, come on home now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
You know what I'm saying, good job, keep going, good job,
comm keep going?

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
You know jobs, keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Charlamagnea god in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yes, indeed, this is charlamagnea god in real life. Hey guys,
thanks for watching.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
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