Drake, Kevin Durant, Raiders, and famous fans

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Chris Brussard and Kevin Durant yelling screaming at each other
and that's Joy Taylor. It's great to have joy in.

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Today we finally found the ratings are down fifty percent
for the Eastern Conference Finals. The good news we found
another star for the Toronto Milwaukee series. It's Drake, the
hip hop superstar. So he is an ambassador for the Raptors.
And one of the cool things about sports is that
when you pick a favorite sport, you're kind of picking

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a favorite culture. And Drake's up there and he's loud
and he's noisy, and the Milwaukee coach, Mike Budenholzer has
had enough of him hanging around touching coaches. I don't
know how much he's on the court. It sounds like
you guys are saying it's more than I realize. There's
certainly no place for fans and you know whatever, it

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is exactly that that Drake is for the Toronto Raptors.
You know, to be on the court. You know there's
there's boundaries and lines for a reason. Listen, this is
really an argument about culture. And I'm not going to
change anybody's opinion on this, nor am I trying to.
I'm gonna create I'll try in the next three minutes,

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four minutes to create clarity. Every sport in America has
a different culture. Golf two words quiet, please. NASCAR's very southern,
Soccer's very the opposite international. When you look at baseball,
you cannot look at your home run for more than

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a second. It's about tradition and respect. The NFL is
about the shield. It is very corporate. And the NBA
it's a soap opera. It's youthful, young, it's loud, it's fun.
I've seen Drake before. It's called Jack Nicholson, it's called
Spike Lee. It's the league where Steve Ballmer's screaming at

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people as an owner, where Mark Cuban is getting fined
by the commissioner for banging on the rafts. When you
choose a sport, you're actually choosing a culture. And I've
said this is why the NFL will always be king
in America. It's Italian food. It's lasagna, it's pizza. It
may not be your favorite. Everybody can kind of tolerate it.
The NBA. I grew up on the beach. I like seafood.

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It's more like sushi. You love it or you don't
love it at all. I remember the first time in college,
I went to McDonald's with a bunch of guys in
the car and I ordered a filet of fish and
they all freaked out gross fish. Ah. I was like,
I grew up on a dock. But I realized, if
you didn't grow up on a dock, half the people
in the country don't like the smell of fish, the

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taste of fish, the texture of fish. Joy grew up
in Pittsburgh, then Miami. She probably likes fish. I do
eat sushi. Yes, there you go. But that's the NBA.
It's not for everybody. The NFL, even my sister watches it.
So when it comes to baseball, tradition, golf, quiet, NASCAR,

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Southern soccer, International, the NBA, Drake's brand is the NBA's brand.
It's a little hip hop. It's a little youthful, it's
a little fun, it's a little loud, it's a little party,
it's a little Internet. It's a lot of all that stuff.
And I'm not going to change anybody's mind on this,

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but when you choose a sport, it generally says a
lot about your personality. Young, fun, social people like the NBA.
Older people who like tradition are baseball and golf fans, Southerners,
college football, NASCAR, people who've traveled the world appreciate new stuff.

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They love soccer. So I'm an NBA guy. I like it.
I always have. Keeps me young, and I'm not what
you would currently call super young. But I also like
the NF more than anything because it's corporate. My dad
was in the business. I like business. But I can't
convince anybody that is bothered by Drake that I'm okay

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with it. And it's okay because you probably don't like
fit understand the culture. All right. So my entire life,
I have watched this whole big brother little brother thing
in sports. And what I mean by that is like
Yankees are the big brother, the big brand in the city,

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and the Mets of the little brother. Michigan Football's the
big brother, you know, Michigan State's sort of the little brother.
And you see that all the time. Lakers are the
big brother and the little brothers, the Clippers, Dodgers, Angels,
you see it all the time. See it a lot
in college sports. The big state school, then the second school,

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University of Texas. He's got a lot of little brothers.
He's got Texas and AM's got Texas tag, It's got
you tap. So right now, there is a belief that
the little brother in Los Angeles, the Clippers, he's going
to overtake the big brother in Los Angeles, the Lakers.

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And I'm starting to hear this from everybody on Kevin Durant.
Now the rumor is he's thinking about going not to
the Lakers, but to the Clippers. Here's Kendrick Perkins. If
I'm Katie, I think I would really consider going to
the Clippers. I mean, you look at him in It's

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like their stability man in this It's like, yeah, this
is a franchise, and you can see Kevin Durant going
thus is in LA. He could flourish and be himself
and it would be his team. And I would love
to see Katie play for a coach like Doc Rivers,
the way Doc draws up plays in his play called
I could just imagine the plays he would draw for

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Kevin Durant. And that now is gaining momentum and gaining steam.
They're gonna take over the city. But let me ask you,
after six straight losing seasons, who did the lebron pick
the Lakers? Lakers have the losingest record in the NBA
six years, last six years. Who did Lebron pick best

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player in the world, face of the league. He picked
the Lakers. Who is Kevin Durant considering the next second
worst record in the NBA. Maybe Katie's considering the Clippers,
and maybe Katie's considering Brooklyn. But put me under I'll
believe it when I see it. I go to Clippers

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games every year, and I go to Laker games every year,
and there was no question the Clipper fans, the Clipper tickets,
they're given more away, they're a little less expensive, and
I think k D and Kawhi could change that. And
I do think the power pyramid, the structure, the flow
start for the Clippers is way better than the Lakers.
But every time the Little Brother has a little success,

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like the Mets over the Yankees, remember that in the
eighties eighty six or the Aids the money Ball Aids
briefly over the Giants, but the Giants eventually won three
World Series, and the Yankees eventually won more World Series,
and the Angels won in two thousand and two. But
it's the Dodgers that keep winning their division and the
Jets had Joe Namath and briefly Rex Ryan, but it's
the Giants that win Super Bowls. The little brother, Michigan

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State's pretty good. Then Jim Harbaugh gets hired at Michigan.
Now it's Michigan School and Michigan State, and Michigan's in
the bigger Games. And it was Auburn for a while,
and Alabama hires Nick Saban, and it's now Alabama winning
national championships and Auburn going to the Capital One Bowl. Listen.
Byron Scott said it yesterday. If you want to come

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to l I I'm a free agent, I'd say look
at the Clippers first. Kawhi Leonard. I'm Kawhi Leonard. I'm
getting pursued by both. I think I take a harder
look at the Clippers because of the stability what they have.
Kendrick Perkins, I'd look at the Clippers just I will
believe the little brother has surpassed the big brother. If

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Kevin Durant goes to Brooklyn and Kyrie follows him, and
so does Anthony Davis, and Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant
go to the Clippers. Because my entire life in sports,
I've seen the Little Brother Michigan State football, Auburn football.
I have you know North Carolina State basketball, Jim vall Vanno.

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But eventually North Carolina gets the right coach and they
build it up and they win the national championships. And
that's the way Adowa's works. Yes, the Mets were adorable.
Keith Hernandez got On Seinfeld and Lenny Deekstra and Wally
Bachman and who did a Rod go to? Who had Jeter?

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Who's proud of wild card titles? And who's really proud
of World Series titles. It'd be great if the Clippers
land KD and Kawhi I really do it's fun. Man.
Six years of losing for the Lakers did not dissuade
Lebron from coming there, and he may regret it today.

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If the Clippers had the worst record in the NBA
for six years, and there's probably six year structures they did,
Lebron wouldn't have chosen. Brands are powerful, and the big
brand when they get there, you know what, together usually
rise over the second brand, and they do it really

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really quickly. Rooting for the Clippers here'd be fun. Rooting
for Brooklyn here, it'd be fun. I'll believe it when
I see it. Okay, Kevin Durant and Chris Bruce are
what in God's name is happening? It is just crazy.
Chris Bruce Sart'll be on this hour. I will talk
about that whole mess coming up next. Be sure to

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catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern
Honey Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and
the iHeart Radio app. Oh, it's great to have you
back in today. Absolutely great to have you back in.
Kevin Durant and our Chris Brussard, who will join me
in ten minutes. Been fighting all week. It's crazy. You
have a lot of stuff back and forth. So Chris
was on the radio, and Chris was on you know

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TV here on FS one. He was talking about stuff about,
you know, what happens if the Warriors win a couple
of rings without Kevin Durant. Is it his worst nightmare?
And then Kevin Durant, who likes social media, was apparently
watching FS one, obviously he was, and he went to
Twitter and he goes slight exaggeration, buddy, in my worst nightmare.
And then, you know, Kevin Durant also pushed back when

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Chris Brussard talked about you know that they had talked
a lot texting on the phone, and then Kevin Durant
came out and said cap cap cap cap, which I'm
told means lie, lie, Lie, Lie, you don't have my number. Man.
Chris Brussard said, DM, Twitter, DM, texts all the same, dude,
don't act like I'm lying, all right. So my takeaway

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on this is, first of all, I don't care what
the device was. If you're texting, dming, facebooking, instagramming, snapchatting
anybody fifty times, that's a trusting relationship. Most of the
time people DM me. I can't get out of it
fast enough. I'm not into it, right, I'm just I don't.
I'm very few people I would trust texting or talking

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to fifty times. You never know if they're going to
take those words like this throw them back at you.
So I just stay off the phone as much as
I can in terms the DM and text even with friends.
I'm a yes, no guy, right and so, but this
is a technicality, this is oh, it's not my text,
it's my DM. If you if you are in a

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relationship with somebody fifty times, I don't care what the
device is. Okay, This is KD deflecting. This is like
when the girlfriend grabs the boyfriend's phone and goes, oh,
who's she and the boyfriend's like, why are you looking
at that my phone? He's deflecting. He didn't want to
talk about while he was talking to another girl on

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the phone. This is deflecting by k D. Obviously, Bruchard
and he have done a lot of talking here, and
Chris Bruchard actually answered this play the tape. Let me
start this off by saying, I like and respect Kevin
Durant and him not trying to continue a Twitter beef
with him. However, he did challenge my credibility and I
must respond to that. In my telephone, I have more

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than sixty direct messages from Kevin Durant on Twitter and
Instagram since February of twenty eighteen. These were conversations initiated
by KD himself. We talked about a lot of the
things I talked about undisputed, and some of these conversations
lasted more than five hours. If you want to argue
over the difference between a text and a DM in

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the year twenty nineteen, go right ahead. But to me,
it's all the same thing. For those of you want
me to publish these dms, it's not going to happen.
Out of respect for KAD, those texts will remain private. Finally,
after all of this, I will continue to love, respect,
and pray for Kevin Durant and objectively analyze him as

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a basketball player. So let me go back to this
with Kevin Durant. Actually, I feel jealous because I love
Kevin Durant. I talk about it though all the time,
and I said this year I thought he was better
than Lebron. I'm the only guy apparently he doesn't DM,
so I'm feeling kind of hurt on this. I would
like a little love from Kevin Durant. I moved to
your side about four months ago. I haven't had one
direct message sent to me. But here's the second thing.

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Katie's not playing basketball. Katie's not married, Katie doesn't have kids.
Katie has got a lot of time in his hands.
And I've even told people I work with marriage kids,
get you off the phone. You just got more responsibilities.
So single guys, no kid, guy, not playing guy. Some
of this is Kevin got more spare time on his hands. Okay,

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you know, he goes treatments to his phone, phone to
his treatments. But here's the thing about Kevin, and I
like him a lot. What Twitter really is, and a
psychologist will tell you this. It's just projecting and seeking validation.
That's what social media is. Look, my food is perfect,
my life is perfect, I'm beautiful. Nobody puts a bad
day on Twitter. Nobody puts a bad day on Instagram.

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Nobody puts a bad day. It's a seeking validation and
projecting tool. Now all of us do that. I've done it.
You've done it. It's not over time though healthy. And
this is my knock on KD. Is he going to
the Knicks potentially because they have much better management? No?
Is he going to the Knicks because they can pay
him more? No. I will always always support professional athletes

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if they feel they're underpaid, if they're seeking more money,
if they're seeking better bosses, if they're seeking better teammates.
I will support every pro athlete that's ever lived. But
if you're going somewhere that has less money and less players,
and less history and less ownership and less isn't that

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Twitter seeking validation like this is deflecting and projecting in validation.
And it's the stuff that worries me that k d
is gonna make a terrible choice and leave the smartest
basketball system in America. This would be like Duncan leaving
the Spurs when you are lucky enough to be around

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in basketball magic. Johnson inherited Kareem Smart and Jerry West
Smart and James Worthy and the Bus family and it
was just pat Riley and you don't leave that. And
Tim Duncan he inherits David Robinson and then Gregg Popovich
and then they get Tony Parker. You don't leave that. Man.

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When you join a family as smart as the Warriors,
with such good guys, it's so funny we think a
Draymond is the crazy guy. The more I watched the Warriors,
he's the glue of the family, and he's the crazy
guy in my old worry about Kevin Durant isn't this stuff.
It's that he'll seek validation. Don't seek bosses, seek teammates,

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seeks smart, seek some money. I get money, But Kevin,
please give leaving Golden State a second, third, fourth, and
fifth thought. The joy of the news. No, No, this
is the herd line news so John bee Line left

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Michigan earlier this month to take the head coaching job
with the Calves. The university has found his replacement. Yes,
Michigan has agreed to a five year deal with former
Miami Heat assistant coach Juwan Howard. Two people who are
very excited about this higher are Juan Howard's former teammates
with the Heat. Way to End Lebron James the Way tweeted,
talk to me nice, say it is so my guy

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deserves this opportunity. This will only be right. So then
Lebron responded to Wade's tweet with his own, saying, man,
what absolutely the right choice and I hope it becomes
a done deal asap. One of my favorite people I've
ever met at the age of sixteen and been around
since then. This is a really big deal for Michigan. Obviously,
Joan Howard was a part of Fab five and Michigan

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guy through and through, incredible NBA veteran, and he's been
put in years with a very solid organization in the
Miami Heat and within the Miami Heats had a very
important role in player relations to the coaching staff into
the front office. So this is this is a no
brainer higher from Michigan, especially replacing Bline who established a winning,

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an incredible culture there. So I love this and also
more importantly, you know, Win Wade and Lebron James have
young sons who will be heading off to college very soon.
So you know, I what I like about Joan Howard,
dude has put in the time. I got nothing against
Jason Kidd, but I'm a starting point guard. Tomorrow I'm

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a coach. It feels like you're kind of skipping a step.
Joan has put in step step step. I think it's great,
and I'm not anti player being coach, but when I
see guys retire in an hour or later, they're they're
in a playoff, like coaching is hard and he'll have
to figure out some recruiting stuff. But this is a
guy if you I called somebody last night, dude has

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put in the time. He's absolutely putting the time on
the coaching end of it. But the recruiting thing, to
me is not that that is very overblown. I think
the whole recruiting environment has evolved tremendously over the last
twenty years. This whole idea that you have to go
in there with your you know your suit on and
talk to the parents and tell him about a good

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education or whatever. The idea of recruiting is doesn't exist anymore.
I look at Penny Hardway. Penny Hardway has the number
one recruiting class in the country at Memphis. And everyone
thought that that higher was ridiculous. Penny Hardway, he has
proved everyone wrong. I mean, coaching is obviously a big
part of this, but recruiting is number one in college.
You have to get the kids there, and he's getting

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kids from all over the country to go to Memphis one.
Obviously because he's Penny Hardaway. But you have to be
able to relate to kids, and you have to have
a hand in the grassroots culture of basketball AU and
the grassroots circuit, and that is a big deal in
college basketball now. So hiring former players in this position
is a big deal. Chris Webber will join us top

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of next hour. So see web part of the amazing
Fab five. And if you didn't, if you're twenty years old,
you didn't see the Fab five. The only way I
can explain it it was, you know this past duke
team that had a bunch of guys, It was like that,
but they were culturally different than the Baggy Shorts. It
was the most talked about college basketball team maybe ever.

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I mean in my lifetime. I'm not saying the best,
I'm saying the most. No, they were games, they were
incredibly culture altering college basketball program five up five And
the relationships with all those guys in Michigan had been
spotty since then. Yes, but their reputation lives on and
they were incredibly important to the culture. So the NBA's
All Defensive teams were announced yesterday. Rudy Gobert, Paul George, Jannas, Marcus,

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Marcus Smart, and Eric Bledsoe were selected for the first team. Yeah,
but there was one very interesting player who received some votes.
James Harden got two votes and they were both for
first team. Was that Darryl Morey voting twice? I don't know.
This very's very interesting. Um when you look at the
list though, I mean, obviously Patrick Beverley makes sense to get,

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you know, several votes for first team All Defense. That's
a no brainer there, Daniel whom, Rudy Gobert, Paul George Jannas, Hansatakumpo,
Marcus Smart, and Eric Bledsoe. What about Kawai. I did
think it was interesting that Kawhi. Did Marcus Smart make it, Yeah,
Kawhi would be on my Kawhi was out for a
lot of games too, so maybe maybe voters held that

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against him or something. I thought that was interesting as well. Rudy,
I mean, most of those Gety Goberts just as good
as it gets. So most of those guys make total sense. No, No,
the first team makes sense, of course, but yeah, the
other votes are kind of interesting as well. Russell Westbrook
also got got some votes too. Russell's a better defender
than James Russell. Westbrook can defend when he wants to.
When Russell's into it, he can defend because he's physically

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Russell's strong. Yeah. If Russell gets up in yet, yeah
what Westbrook gets up in yea, he can defend. Drew
Holliday's another guy. I don't know if he made it.
Drew Holliday is another guy that physically, if he gets
up in ya, defensively, he can push your own. Yeah,
Drew Holliday is a good player. Yeah. Finally, Kyrie Irving
is a top three age of the summer, and there's
a strong sense that his days the Celtics are over,

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he does leave Boston, reunion with Lebron in LA seems
to still be on the table. Here's Brian Windhorst on
Kyrie's options in free agency. If you'd asked me six
months ago stage, i'd ha said the door was closed
and locked, that was not going to happen. But over
the last few months there has no doubt been a
thawing between Kyrie and Lebron, and Kyrie has become to
be more open to the to joining the Lakers and

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has done some research on the organization. That said, with
Magic leaving, that was a guy that he felt the
connection to, and with the great opportunities in Brooklyn and
in New York plus Boston trying to keep them. I
think the Lakers are lower on his list, but they're
on his list and that gives them a fighting chance. Yeah.
I don't see it happening, but I have said this
when Kyrie left Lebron. My takeaway was Kyrie's career pre

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Lebron and I was injured a lot and a little
bit of a diva. I thought they worked together great.
I did too, and I don't know, I could kind
of see this happening. I know that there's a lot
of options out there at that report that you know,
teams are kind of backing off of Kyrie. I don't
believe for a second Kyrie is a superstar. It's he
had a bad series. It wasn't working in Boston for

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lots of different reasons. But I listen, man, Kyrie's more
of a one b and I think with Lebron, listen,
it's Lebron overwhelms the room, and I get Kyrie at
the time was like, okay, but you can't tell me
these two on the floor or laden quarters, laden sets,
leaden games didn't work together well. If their if their

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relationship is fully repaired, because there were some things that
made him want to leave Lebron not just like him
not wanting to be number two. And I think that
what everything that happened in Boston could have been a
you know, a wake up call like, hey, we had
a good thing going here, that this worked, we played
off each other well and had success. I don't know,

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it's kind of interesting. I don't. I think that Kyrie
is is a smart guy, and every situation, while it
might be the opportunity to be the guy, might not
be the best situation to win championships as we know.
So I think this could be in play exciting joy
with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the herd lot. I mean, yeah, yesterday I
grabbed my phone and Chris Bruce Sard's trending. Let's bring

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out Chris Brusard, a voice of n v A and
This Network New York Times, former Cavs beat writer, or
the odd couple Chris Bruce Sard and Rob Parker. You
thought Rob Parker was the only guy you got in
fights with? Oh man, I was, I said on Undisputed
this morning. I said, you know the way KD is
on social media, this could be a topic every day
with me. Okay, So my my, my takeaway if you

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didn't hear it was, I don't I don't want to
get into what device it is. If I'm if I'm
communicating with somebody over hours and multiple texts or DMS,
it's a relationship because so to me, I don't care
what the device is. I don't care. It's like I'm
in radio, I'm also in podcasting. I'm on streaming, I'm
on radio, I'm on serious, I'm on TV. Do you

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know what we call all these audio I don't even
call it radio. I just have an audio platform which
is like seven different things, podcasts, streaming, XM, my filiates,
and then I do a TV simulcast. So to me,
it is all just kind of the same. You're talking.
You're talking why I'm fifty years old. I don't know
all those different intricacies between text and DM. What hey,
I had to ask my I didn't even know what

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cap cap CapMan. I'm like anybody. I thought that was
capa guy or something. I took it as bus cap
in your story, you know, but no, unless that's what
cap cap cap cap it means. He didn't deny what
I said. You just said you don't have my number.
I do have a cell phone number for him. He
gave me long ago. I'm sure as outdated. Players changed

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numbers all the time, But there's that. But he slid
into my DMS, all right. He's the one hitting me
on Instagram DM, Twitter, DM, and then we have these
long conversations. I actually underestimated it on Undisputed yesterday. I
said two to three hours. I looked it up yesterday
five hours, like not five hours straight, but pretty much

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like going back and forth. I remember what I was
doing those days, and it was like just constant texting
for it for four or five hours. So and look,
let me say this. K D has the right. We
talk about him being sensitive and all that. If if,
what if? Going back in the media, there's a part
of me, there's a part of me that's like, you
know what, we critique these guys if they want to

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come back. I know you've had guys come back at you.
That's there, right, that's fine. Hey, tylu called me at
my house. He was great, yelled at meybody was great.
I'm trying to think of somebody else at call Odell
Beckham Call. I was out skiing, Odell called me, called me.
We talked for twenty five minutes. It's great, right. It
didn't always loved me. I've always said, if you won't

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come on the couch, I'll give my number out to athletes.
And I've told what if Westbrook wants to scream at me,
I'm okay, and I'll never Odell told me a lot
of stuff that I will never say, just to protect
his butt, even though I can't say sometimes he's a
little needy. I think that's fair to say. But what
bothers me is is Kevin is trying to make it
sound like you just made crap up. And that's why

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I went back with the details of you know, I
don't want to release these screenshots of dms and audit.
I want to keep all that private out of respect
for him and other people's I communicate with around the NBA.
But yeah, I had to go with a little detail.
I got sixty plus dms from you in the last
year or so, and you know how long the conversations
wearing stuff and I and I said it on Undisputed

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and I say it right now, if somebody can prove
that I'm that I lied about that story, You really
think I'm gonna go on national TV and make up
a four minute rant with details that's just completely made up,
completely false to me, that's a firebull offense. If somebody
can prove I was lying about that, then fire me

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FS one, Foxworts Radio, fire me really, Yeah, that's how
much I'm putting in this. Fire me No. I think
you know it's funny and I can't go back and
forth on this. I think it's easy to look at
Kevin Durant and say you know Kevin is sensitive. You
want to know who else aready sensitive? Aaron Rodgers and

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you want to know something about Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Durant.
They're very thoughtful people. Is that a lot of people?
They'll stuff lands on them. I'm so numb from criticism.
You could say, I'm just like, it's concrete to me.
You're like Westbrook. I just don't care with that. But

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we have to be careful of ripping athletes because they're sensitive.
These are twenty year olds. Came, I'm fifty. I'm just
at this point. I've had so many slings and arrows.
But if I was a twenty year old and I
was on these shows all day, I'd be I think
I'd be on No. I get it. And I try

(29:28):
to put myself in people's other people's shoes to see
how I would want them to treat me, and I
get it. Like I understand with athletes. If if somebody
was on television or radio ripping me throughout the day
and then comes up to me and and acts like
everything's good, I get why they be upset. Or they
may say something you boogie cousins a year or two ago,

(29:51):
two years ago, say something to me in the locker room.
I had never met him, but I had talked about
him on the on TV and had talked about what
people were telling me in the King's Organization about him,
and he was like, you know, he challenged me, you know,
and but I respected that and we had a good
conversation and it was good. Like you said with Odell,
those guys that call you, I like that. So a

(30:13):
lot of me and Kd's communication has been he'll reach
out after he doesn't like something I wrote or I
said on TV. And then initially he'll reach out hardcore
like coming at me, but then we talk it out
and you know, we we we've talked about other things
that I've mentioned beyond basketball, so that comes into the
conversation and and then it ends up being all good.

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And I look, I don't know how this will end.
I hope I'm not gonna reach out to KD anytime soon. Yeah,
I don't expect him to with me, but at some
point down the line, I'll reach out and hopefully everything
can get cleared up. But I kind of like this
what's going on has played out in private with me
and him to some degree before I think it's a

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Kevin Durant, to his credit, does not deny he's watching
right everybody, and I give him like his attitude for
what I can gather is I'm gonna go back at you.
Like everybody else looks at it as a weakness. I
don't think he looks at it as a weakness. He
looks at it like you said this about me. I'm
calling you out. I don't care if you got fifteen
Twitter followers or you're national television so and one thing

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I will give kd Colin. It does not affect his play.
Oh no, you see athletes, as you know in New York,
the back page kills him. They can't perform in New York.
This guy, he plays great, no matter what's going on
with social media or Chris. Can I say one thing?
Can I look at the camera, Kevin Durant, you don't

(31:45):
DM me. I've called you the best player. I talk
about you all the time. I constantly give you advice
and support and love you. I'm now the only media
person in the world you don't call I'm the one
that said you're better than Lebron. You sound like the
people are on Twitter, like all we do is umble
at you. I am. I'm tired of not being acknowledged
by k D. Chris stick around. We got a lot

(32:08):
of stuff. We got a lot of stuff. The Drake things, fascinating,
the Kyrie rumors, Chris Bruce Hardmore. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Easter n
a Empacific. I was saying this to start the show today,
is that every sport has a culture. NASCAR is southern,
Soccer is international, football is corporate, Baseball is tradition. NBA

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is hip hop, fun music, loud, energy, youthful. I think
Drake fits the NBA's brand. It doesn't bother me, although
I think ideally I'd rather not have a fan piggy
backing a coach, although it was the Toronto coach who
knows Drake and who has a great sense of humor.
What is your kind of takeaway on the Drake thing?
Because and I said this, if if Drake makes you

(32:52):
uncomfortable and that moment, that's because you when you choose
a sport, you also choose a culture. Golf is quiet,
please you see is quiet? Pleased? I bang your head in.
So I choose I tend to be UFC, it's wild
or crazy or youthful. What are people saying about Drake
in the league? Well, Drake like it does make the
game more fun to watch, more entertaining. There's no question.

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It's reminiscent obviously of Spike Lee with the New York
Knicks when was that twenty something years ago? And Reggie Miller.
The only issue that I have with Drake is I
don't think you can be roaming fifteen feet, you know
what I mean, like, because one you're blocking other fans.
I definitely don't think you should be able to touch

(33:35):
a coach, even if it's your own coach. Uh Like,
So I Spike Lee would stay in front of his seat,
you know, and do all that. So I think you
hate to try to put somebody in a box, but
I think you've got to stay relatively close to your seats. Well,
the NBA has a rule as a player you can't
leave right your box, So that that part I get.

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But I do think, to me, what's in first thing
about his whole situation? Toronto's and Milwaukee's head. We gotta
remember this. Toronto's a month old veterans, Milwaukee's a bunch
of kids. It kind of feels like Toronto's a little
bit in Milwaukee's head in this series. Here's the deal.
I've said, if Milwaukee gets to the finals and wins it,

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some people think they're gonna win it. Jeff Van Gundi
and Mark Jackson were saying they're the prohibitive favorite to
beat Golden State when they were up one or two
oh over Toronto. If they were to win it, that
would be virtually unprecedented in the NBA, because, you know it,
Colin teams have always had to overcome some type of adversity. Yes,

(34:39):
it was, you know, the Detroit Pistons had to get
past Larry Bird and the Celtics. Michael Jordan had to
get past Detroit Pistons, and Isaiah Thomas Lebron had his
individual challenges. You know, Kobe and Shack had their their losses.
You have to go through those teams unless you already
have veterans like Magic. Johnson stepped right in to the

(35:00):
league with the MVP Kareem abdul Jabbak. So they want
it right away, but this would be unpresident So this
is their first bit of adversity. Yes, we're about to
see what Milwaukee's made of it could defeat them and
then they'd have to come back next year and probably
be stronger and maybe good to the finals next year,
or they could fight through it this year. We'll see,

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but they look they had never won a playoff series
before this year, so you want to go from that
to beating a dynas, right, So they need to go
through this. Maybe it's too soon, we'll find that out,
but I think they can overcome it. Okay, Kyrie, Lakers,
we're hearing different things now. You know, there's a lot
of talk about the Clippers and a lot of talk

(35:41):
about Brooklyn. But I said this, you're you're from Ohio.
You know there's Ohio State football, and then there's everybody else.
There's Texas football, and then there's Texas and Ama Texas Tech.
The bottom line is there's always a big brother and
a little brother, right, And I'm sorry, the Lakers are
big brother. Clippers are a little brother. And you can
tell me the Clippers of the hot team, but lebron
chose the Lakers after five years of Drek. I'll believe

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the Clippers are gonna land these guys. When they land
these guys, If I said to you, Kevin Durant, Kawhi,
both of the Clippers. You buy that if they don't
mind playing together, because I've there are people around the
league they'll say they don't want to play together, not
because they don't like each other anything like that, but
just the narrative or whatever. If they are fine playing together.

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I actually as much. Look as from a selfish standpoint,
I want to see Kevin Durant Kyrie ever and go
to New York. I think it'd be great for the league.
It'd be exciting to have the Knicks be good. I
think it'd be if Durant could win it there, it'd
be huge for his legacy. But just looking at it objectively,
if he and Kawhi want to play together, those two

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to the Clippers is probably the best move of all
these fits. Why, like Kawhi is better than Kyrie. It's
difficult to win in New York. You know, they wouldn't
have what would they put around them unless they got
Anthony Davis. With the Clippers, you already have built in
role players, you got a championship coach, the front office

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all the way up to Jerry West, the consultant is tremendous.
Kevin Durant like Steve Bomber. We know that from the
boardroom and all that. And I know this. When Kade
was interviewing teams before he went to Golden State, I
think he knew he was gonna go to Golden State
as long as there were no red flags there. But
his interview with the Clippers, the Clippers blew him and

(37:36):
his team away, really Steve Bomber blew them away, And
so all of that is in the back of KDE's mind.
So no, I think they'll get somebody. Here's what's interesting
with the Big Brother Little Brother team. When you've worked
in New York or you're from New York. In New York,
they feel like the Knicks or the Lakers. The Cowboys
are the Yankee like one of those national teams. Everybody

(37:58):
wants to play for the Knicks outside of New York. No.
I grew up in the Midwest. The Knicks were like
the thirteenth team I thought about when I thought about
the NBA. And so when we talk about well, Kadi
and Kyrie, of course they should go to New York
over Brooklyn. Nobody cares about the Nets in New York.
That's true in New York, but the rest of the country.

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If they went to Brooklyn and Brooklyn became a contender,
it would be almost as big as the Knicks. Like
you know, people wouldn't look at it as oh, that's
the little brother around the country. In New York they would,
but not around the country. Think about this. Fourteen of
the last twenty champions are from the West. Eighty to
eighty five of the stars in the NBA from the West.
Don't rule out this happening. Katie either stays or goes

(38:41):
to the Clippers. Kawhi goes to the Clippers. Jimmy Butler
and Kyrie come West. Zion just landed west. Last twenty years.
You find me all the free agents with options that
have chose the Eastern seaboard. This year, the Warriors are
gonna want it the fifteenth and a twenty one years west.

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We know almost all the stars are west. The only
one you can really say is Miami launch is different
than by the rest of the East coast awkwa water,
no state tax, pat Riley take Miami out, stars gravitate
west in this state. You're right, style weather, they just do.

(39:23):
The thing is this is so much tougher, and that's
what we know. So is the SEC. But ballers want
to play in the biggest stages in the in this Field, Stadium, God, Oho, State,
the buck Eye. Listen if you want to start, good
luck on the SEC. But all the great players keep
going to the SEC. I think there's a chance all
these guys just gravitate West, because that's what I've watched

(39:45):
for two decades. Chris Brussard, Chris Swebber around the Corners
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(40:06):
live in Los Angeles, iHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and
FS one Seeweb. Chris Webber, fifteen years in the NBA,
A five time All Star, was part of two of
the greatest college basketball teams I've ever seen. Five Slam
a Jamma and the Fab Five in my lifetime are
the most I'm not saying the best. They're the most
entertaining college basketball teams I've ever seen. Five Slam A

(40:29):
Jamma A team Clyde Drexler, Rob Young, Larry Mushoe in
the Fab five, you know, Jalen, Seaweb Howard, that's as
good as that was one. College basketball and I'm not
joking when I say this felt as big as the NBA.
I mean it literally did. You had these iconic college players,
Pat Ewing and Christian latter would stay like four years.

(40:51):
I always feel bad at twenty year olds. I'm like,
twenty year olds, you don't understand how big boxing was
thirty years ago. When I started this, boxing was massive.
Some of the biggest personalities in the world were in boxing.
And you don't understand how big college basketball was thirty
years ago. I mean, you had teams with five NBA
guys and they'd come all come back as sophomores. They

(41:13):
come back because juniors and seniors. I mean college basketball.
To me, I like college basketball as much as pro
twenty five thirty years ago. And then and then now
it's like you know it said, guys are in, they're out.
You can't keep track all the players. But Seeweb will
be joining us in just a couple of minutes. I
want to say this. One of the things I like
about Charles Barkley. He takes big swings. He doesn't sit

(41:34):
on the fence. He doesn't he's not captain's safetake. He's
not afraid to be wrong. It's one of the reasons
I love Barkley. He's funny. He has big opinions and
he's not you know, half the guy's doing this for
a living or petrified to get called out for a
wrong opinion. Barkley never is, you know. He said about
two weeks ago, like he's Steph Curry, Katie's gone, they
can't beat anybody. Well, Steph Curry's just elevated his game.

(41:55):
Draymond Green elevated his game. So Barkley came on yesterday,
was on PTI or something admitted du Kardeinser and Will
Ball and he's like, yeah, it's wrong on that whole
Steph Curry thing. First of all, I was one hundred
percent wrong. But kudos to the Golden State Warriors. Steph
Curry has put his name back into conversation. Tony. We

(42:15):
talk about the best players in the world. We talk
about Katie, Jannis, Kawhi, Lebron. Steph curR has proven us
he's a two time MVP. Can I just say this
about Steph Curry, and maybe his parents get credit for this,
I don't know. One of the things I really like
about him, I get the same guy every day at work.
That's why I love Duncan. That's why I love Brady.

(42:38):
Like when you work with people, there's all sorts of
talent in every business. It's hard to work with people.
And I'll say this, joy comes in every day, grinder
comes in. How you're doing breakfast? Do the show? I
like that Like in my life, you know, in my
life of broadcasting and radio and TV. I've been doing
it for thirty years. I like the same co workers

(43:01):
every day. What if I was coming in one day hungover,
one day mad, one day, goofy, one day funny, one
day joyful, It's hard. Steph Curry's the same guy every day.
I like that about it. I got that's nothing against Westbrook,
but man, I get a lot of different Westbrooks. And
but when you watch that Gotham Choper documentary on Steph Curry, dad,
same dad, every day, husband, same husband, every day, teammate,

(43:24):
same teammate every day, he is so his person. And
that's why, by the way, that is why, that's when
dynasty's lasts longer when your top player is the same
guy every day. Spurs Duncan, that dynasty lasted over ten years, Brady,
that dynasty's almost twenty years. Warriors Dynasty's five, it's got

(43:44):
another five in it. Like Shaq and Kobe should have
lasted a lot longer, but you got a different shack
Tuesday to Thursday. That thing should have lasted a lot longer.
And Steph Curry's personality is And that's nothing against ka
d get a little drama, nothing against Lebron, Get a
little drama, nothing against Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, m Bead, But man,

(44:06):
I get a different I get a different dude a lot.
And you watch that documentary on Steph Curry and it's
just he's like human elkas Sultzer. You know how you
have elkas Seltzer and you get too much salt in
your food and there's disruption down there in the boiler
and you're like, I don't feel good. You do elkas Seltzer.
It just fizzes up and like takes it away, and
you're like, like he's the human Alkas Sultzer. Steve Kerr

(44:26):
admitted he goes, you know, went Draymond and Kevin Durant
had their skirmish. Steph was hurt and wasn't around, and
so Steph in the room like soothes and sand papers,
all the rough edges. This is a current NBA dynasty.
Of course they have fights. Of course they have skirmishes.

(44:47):
This is about the time this stuff usually blow us up.
And you know what, it's not blowing. I mean, Kad
may leave, but he's not leaving Goody Gonna like everybody.
Katie's not. Katie may leave for validation and everything, but
he's not leaving Goody do like his teammates like Steph Curry.
And maybe his parents get credit for it, but I
just love the fact that you just get the same
step every day. Oh for eleven, same staff, twelve or

(45:11):
eighteen same staff, win loss. It's the same dude. And
I think dynasties tend to last longer when your star
has an even keel demeanor, temperament or personality. And you know,
a Shock could be angry, Shack could be joyful. Jack
could be funny, Shack could be give me the ball,

(45:33):
Shack could be a great teammate. And Shaq is all
that and more. But that it's hard to maintain nine
years together when you have inconsistent personalities driving the room.
And that's just one of the many things I love
about Steph Curry. And I love that. Charles Barkley admits, yeah,
kind I kind of whipped on that one a lot
of different things. Dan Gilbert, owner of the Calvs, was

(45:56):
doing all sorts of talking yesterday, and Dan Gilbert is
actually a fair He's a fairly remarkable businessman. He's from
Detroit and he buys Quicken loans as a company. He
goes creates the Calves and then he puts a ton
of money back in Michigan and Detroit and there's kind

(46:16):
of a renaissance. My wife's from there, kind of a
renaissance in Michigan and Detroit. Building that thing. Back up,
Dan Gilbert. There's times he wears me out and has
driven me crazy, and I've been very critical of him.
But as a businessman he's really really good. And you know,
he said something yesterday about Lebron and it was really
interesting he said with Lebron he was talking yesterday, there

(46:37):
was a limited shelf life in terms of age in
his contractual commitment. It was a win. Now at all
cost and you know, it all kind of revolves around
the sun, which is him, and whatever pressure comes with it.
It worked out. We want a title, and you know
he's right. But here's what's interesting is that I'm gonna
look back, and this is not a knock on Dan,

(46:58):
Gilbert or Lebron, but they were together eleven years and
we got one title out of it. Now, I know
it's Cleveland, so they'll take that title. But Russell had eleven,
Jordan's six, Kareem six, Magic five, Duncan five, Kobe five,
Shack four. Right now, Lebron's in his sixteenth year. We
got three titles, and I do not see one on

(47:20):
the horizon. I'll make an argument, and you can blame
Dan or Lebron, but that Lebron Cleveland thing, it didn't
give us nearly as many titles as it should. Eleven
years and one title. People complain that the time he
was with the Heat didn't give them enough titles. It
was four years. This is three times as long and

(47:41):
half the titles. Like I'll look back at this Lebron's
career and I will not ever criticize him for what
he is, which is remarkable. He's the Swiss Army Knife.
The NBA love him, but I'm gonna look back and go.
Russell got eleven MJ six, Kareem six, Magic five, Duncan five,
Kobe five, Shack four, and all those guys were a
shot or two away from another title. I don't know, Russell,

(48:02):
I didn't watch those, but eleven years, one city, one
title feels like they left a lot on the table. Well,
he played for a decade and a half. He was
a five time All NBA All Star, number one draft pick.
By way the way of the Magic and Chris Webber's
on the call tonight Milwaukee in Toronto. First of all,
see Webb, I gotta start with this. Joan Howard, your

(48:23):
friend gets the Michigan job. Did you call in his behalf?
Did you? Did you? Did you know the process was
going on here in the last two weeks. I don't
care about Michigan columnist Thas Barkley. I'm walking with see Webb,
I was watching Barkley. I'm just I'm the same guy
all the time. Brother. Where are you guys at? We're

(48:46):
walking to lunch. We got to go kiss the boss's ass.
Jelf Stucker. He gonna sit down with us for the
first time since he took over the job. So me
and Chris are going to lunch to kiss the ass
a little bit. But I was watching you earlier. I'm
the same guy all the time. Brother. I ain't gonna
take brother. By the way, I just spent five minutes
complimenting you. I just said, I said, thank you for

(49:09):
the cow words. I would watching hey, I just called
him kyn I'm walking for Sea having the last for
the cow words. I know you called for Sea. Well
the thanks for the kind words, brother, Charles Barkley. Thank
you very much. You know we love you. We talk
about you often, and we love all the guys on
T n T. Thank you and come on anytime you

(49:30):
want to come on. All right, boy here see Webb.
All right, see Webb. We'll tell you this. See Webb.
That's one of the great interview starts I've ever had
in my career. That's how you do. You get in
the love. You bring them in on me. I'm doing great,
so so give me the Jawn Howard thing. You obviously
knew this thing was happening. You guys are friends. Did
you call on his behalf? Um? I didn't call on

(49:51):
his behalf Colin. I I don't know if that would
have help. I don't know. Cannot be on his behalf,
you know, very honestly. So the fact that fraid you
know with him and you know, definitely supporting him, but
no I did. I had no idea that it was
going to happen. And um, you know that's why for me,
it was definitely tears of joy. And it was because

(50:14):
it's because I know he wanted this. I've talked to
him a long time about being the coach, talked him
a long time about his efforts in Miami, and talked
to him a long time about him working with players,
and the difference in coach is different in players. Things
that he had to prepare and humble himself to be
in that position in the NBA. And so I knew
that he wanted this, and so I'm just I'm just

(50:35):
so happy for him because a lot of people may think,
you know, hey, he's the NBA guy. He wants to
know he's the first dude to you know, graduate on
time outside him college when he when he went to
the league early his junior year. He's still graduating on time.
Michigan has been special with him. He recruited me there.
I know there's a lot of stories about us going
or who's the leader. This is about, you know, him

(50:56):
recruiting me there, and so I'm just happy from playing
with him a Michigan playing in Washington, actually making a
decision to go to one of the worst seats because
he was there. Not smart on my part basketball wise,
but definitely is a friendship and just to see his
growth and development. Man, I was so happy for them. No,
I can't take any credit. I wasn't part of it
besides being his personal cheering section. You know, it's interesting.

(51:19):
I was just saying before you came on the two
basketball teams in college that I remember and will forever
five slamm a Jamma in the Fab five. And it
does bum me out that the Michigan thing has never
been perfect and it doesn't all work together. Do you
think there's a possibility that Jewan now getting Michigan does

(51:40):
at least bring you guys all a little closer together
because the Fab five was a culture changing moment in
American sports. I like college as much as pro back. Then,
do you think Joan can mend some fences with all
this stuff? I think that one's about you know, and

(52:01):
so I'm gonna get to the question conor because it's
a great question, but I just want to keep reiterating
it's about him getting the job, and that if you know,
it's more important that he gets the job in the
Michigan wins then I was getting back together. Secondly, m juwan,
you know, he out very close, so he's he's been
a big proponent of that happening a lot, and I

(52:24):
definitely wanted to happen. I'm sure others wanted to happen,
but for me, it was um taking uh, you know, man,
I want to keep this about Juan, so it is
about him and a job. But I do think that
with this being the first step, I mean, it has
to be positive, right, It has to be some good

(52:44):
things happening and those type of things. So, um yeah,
I definitely see this as a great It couldn't be
a better first step in the world than this happening.
But I want to make sure that we take time
to honor him, let him get his feet wet and
all that things, because I don't want him to be
dragged down in the mud of the discussion that are
going to have to happen, for that to happen, and
so that's all I worry about. You know how it

(53:05):
is kind of you. You have crazy like terribles on
your show where you are, you're going ranting, and they
make sense. And so for me, it's more so like
I'm very happy to happen. I don't want anything to
jade the wonderful moment of him getting the job. It's
getting settled, getting his team together, and I'm sure, hopefully,
prayerfully everything else falls in line. But for any of

(53:29):
us to go around and talk about any of that
before celebrating this and letting this sink in, I don't think,
but I don't think it's just cool on our part.
But definitely, yes, I'm with you, brother, and you know
and all of this stuff. Yeah, all right, two questions,
and I'm allow you and Charles sit down and have lunch,
because I know Charles probably sitting there going come on web,
get off the phone with Calhert. All right. Two questions.

(53:49):
Number one, do you think Durrance made up his mind yet?
You bounced around this league? You know what guys are thinking.
Has he made his mind up? Do you believe? Or
is he still simmer on a bunch of teams. Okay,
so I don't know what he's doing, but I'm gonna
tell you what I think. I think that I think
the Clippers are gonna get two major free agents. I
think that do not sleep on draft pick Jerry. Jerry

(54:12):
West is one of the most influential guys in this league.
People trust him. He's with the Clippers, and I could
see two guys going there, and I could see him
being one. I know everybody talks about New York, but
I think everybody's sleeping on clipper Land and all the
mesters going on over in Laker Land right now isn't
helping it. And by the way, nobody wants to go
to the Lakers for them. I hate to say that.

(54:33):
It's not just I'm a Laker hater. I love the
Lakers grew up on him, but that's just honestly how
I still so, I would not be surprised if Durant
went to the Clippers. That It's just my opinion. I
wouldn't be surprised they got him in Kauai. I think
they're gonna get two free agents, and I think that
they've shown who they are. They're a good organization or
great owner and they have you know, great people in
that organization. You see that all they needed some guys

(54:55):
to bring him over the top. I think them getting
to the playoffs and not worrying about that draft. It
wasn't the end of the world, but it was pretty
smart at them to say, hey, we put winning first end.
Who was that draft pick? Anyway, you'll see later, but
it wasn't worth the risk. And so you know, I
don't know if he's gone, but if he is going,
I wouldn't be surprised. And finally, Lebron James and I

(55:17):
agree with you, I don't think they're going to land
a big free agent. Do you think this morning there's
a little bit of Lebron after Magic retired or quit,
that regrets coming to the Lakers or do you think
he's all good with it because of the business. Okay,
So with with Lebron, I don't think there's ever been
an athlete because he came in in this area of
the Twitter verse and social media that has had as

(55:40):
much pressure or as reached expectations as Lebron one hundred
million dollars before he stepped on the court. But in
saying that, if I'm him. I'm pissed. I'm not trying
to throw shots at anybody, but you're going to get
me the guy to coach Sacramento Kings last year and
you're happy that they got in the ninth place. I
got three years left in my career. This is you

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bring I know, first rounds draft picks that don't want
to play for a college coach that doesn't know the
coach with the league. And so I know Lebron has
won championships for all of his coaches that never won
one before. I get it. We've heard names because Lebron
has says a great coach, But why would you bring
in a guy like Lebron? Now we can talk about
all the issues with Lebron, but knowing those issues, why
would you bring him in and not bring the coach

(56:22):
that he wants. If you don't want to bring the
coach he want, don't bring him in. But he's earned
that right now with his championships. So for me to
have a guy like Frank Vogel, that's gonna be hard
to recruit anyway. You can't recruit the Indiana with a
guy like Frank Vogelson, So how the hell are you
going to do that with the greatest player in the league.
And so to me, I think that, yeah, I think

(56:43):
he regrets it or I won't stay regrets it. I
think that he's, you know, thinking like, damn, this is
this is what I came for. This is how you
guys are gonna do me. But also as a competitor,
I can't wait till this season because look, he's gonna
have the most rest he's had nine years. He's gonna
be ticked off, he's gonna have an incentives and I think,
you know, the basketball saying, I'm gonna get some of
the best of the front that we've gotten in all

(57:03):
of his career, and that's pretty incredible sixteen seasons in.
So I don't know if he regrets it, but I
know that I would believe that he damn sure doesn't
like what's going on, and he's like, y'all used to
call me the drama king. This is where I go too.
So I'm sure he's thinking about some tea. Okay, he's
on the call tonight Milwaukee Toronto TNT. NBA analysts have

(57:24):
him on a couple of times a year. Chris Webber,
I love you being honest by the way, last quick question,
who's picking up the tab? Oh? I know, well, you
know you just heard Chuck say. First of all, I
don't know anyone that's been any place ever with Chuck
and he's not picked up the tab. So even though
it should be on the corporate credit card, I could
be Chuck reaching over and paying for it. He does.
He does not believe in letting people pay to eat

(57:46):
or drink. So it'll probably be good talking to you, Chris,
Thanks a lot, Thank you all right. By the way,
Barkley does have a legendary reputation as the first guy.
He's got long arms. Charles always picks up the check.
And by the way, there are a lot of people,
including a former Charles teammate in Houston, who did not

(58:10):
tip and who not pick up the check. And I'll
just leave it at that, not even tip, you know,
no tipping, pippin An, it's out there. I like Scottie,
but Barkley is legendary for grabbing the check buying it

(58:31):
for everybody. It's one of the reasons I like him.
It is nice. It's it's tough to go to dinner
with somebody who doesn't want to pay or at least
it tough. I've broken up friendships over that. Well, yeah,
of course. I mean, if you all go out to
eat together, it shouldn't even be a conversation. Everyone should
at least want to pay, you'd think, all right? Great
stuff Charles Barkley initially and Chris Webber, Rob Parker, Rashmar Kazi.

(58:54):
We are just absolutely packed today. Listen, m oh coming
up next, somebody tell me what the Raiders plan is.
I mean, somebody tell me what the Raiders plan is.
They're now on their third plan and it doesn't make sense.
That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of
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(59:17):
By the way, great stuff from Charles Barkley and Chris Webber.
So there's a story John Gruden. Antonio Brown didn't show
up for camp yesterday. He did. John Gruden was asked
about it and he talked about you know this Antonio
Brown and the relationship they're building. And here's John Gruden.
Listen carefully, I'm not going to get into the relationship business.

(59:39):
You know. I think Brown is a great guy. I
love having them here. Derek's a great guy. You can't
rush your relationship. You just don't have a great relationship
in three weeks or they're two months. Something that you
gotta earn and you gotta really work at. And that's
why it's important that we spend time together. I'm a
little worn out with all the the relationships and all

(01:00:02):
the all the all the things that really don't matter
right now. He's already worn out. Okay, great, he's been
there a year. He's worn out. I could, I could
go after Antonio Brown here, but I have a question.
What's the Raiders plan because we're on the third one
in a year. Their first plan was we're not gonna
pay stars, We're gonna accumulate draft picks. That felt very

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New England to me. I was okay with that, Like
it was weird letting go with Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper.
But they did end up with three first round picks,
and I thought, okay, just don't get rid of Derek Carr.
Just keep your quarterback. So that was their first plan,
and although I didn't really get given up Khalil Mack,
they did keep a quarterback who I like, and they

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did accumulate unbelievable picks. So that was a first plan,
don't pay stars, and then at the end of the
season in free agency they did the opposite. It felt
like the Miami Dolphins, we're gonna overpay for everybody one. Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna We're gonna pay Trent Brown the most any
offensive lineman's ever made. Well, he's a left tackle. Now

(01:01:06):
we're gonna move them to right. What Antonio Brown noisy? Okay,
you bring him in and he's great, but man, it's
a lot of money. And then there's Terrell Williams, another
wide receiver, so they kind of feel like, Miami, give
me a little noise. I'm gonna pay a lot of money. Okay, okay, Okay.
That's the culture. So it's not no stars, it's paying
a lot of money for guys who I don't like

(01:01:26):
as much. And then Draft night they went to another plan.
Remember and Draft night they reached for guys who are
glue guys and chemistry guys and family guys and great
in that and they're gonna build it. So we're on
a third culture now. It was I don't want stars.
I'm gonna overpay for guys I don't even consider stars.

(01:01:46):
And then of their draft it's Gonama draft guys. They
are chemistry guys. I'm gonna reach for him a little bit.
But there they'll put the glue back together and we'll
get John pick A Lane. No, you're already worn out
for maybe. I mean, I can bang on AB, but
in the end, remember, what is the message a coach

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is sending to the locker room? No Stars, just kidding
glue guys, where's Ab? The message started like New England,
then it's Miami. Now it feels like kind of cults Philadelphia.
I'm lost and we're a year in worn out. I'm
worn out. I can't figure out what your messaging is.

(01:02:30):
Joy with the news. No, No, this is the herd
Line News. So Jake's been pretty vocal about his love
of the Raptors. He's a global ambassador for the team.
He's he's like paid with the team right like they
he's on the payroll. I don't understand how exactly how
the payment thing works, but he I mean, they did

(01:02:53):
get fined before for him for what he's having Kevin
Durant at a concert performance, so there's some some attachment there.
His name's also on the practice facility. Okay, Toronto fans okay.
And he was very visible for games three and four,
very enthusiastic on the sidelines. Um just sort of an
extension of the coach, if you will. And the Bucks coach,

(01:03:14):
Mike Budenholzer is not very happy with Drake's sideline antics.
He is not I don't know how much if he's
on the court. It sounds like you guys are saying
it's more than I realize. There's certainly no place for
fans and you know whatever, it is exactly that that
Drake is for the Toronto Raptors. You know, to be
on the court. You know there's there's boundaries and lines

(01:03:36):
for a reason. Well, Drake is responding to Budenholder's criticism,
which is not surprising, and he liked to comment on
Instagram that read sports media needs to accept the rule
the Miami Hurricanes signed into law back in the eighties.
If you don't want the opposing team to celebrate and dance,
prevent them from scoring, winning, or achieving their objective, get
over it and keep moving. It's right about that. You

(01:03:59):
did invent swat. I have no problem with what Drake's doing. Obviously,
I mean it's it's just it's a fun thing to watch.
First of all, anytime anyone loves something, very clearly, it's
it's fun to watch because there's just a there's a
natural like joy that comes through. He gives the story
really enjoying something. He gives a series a little juice. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

(01:04:23):
And I mean, I don't really know what the problem is.
It's not like he's harassing the Bucks coach, right right.
I think the only thing I worry about is the
NBA is has a history of creating boxes for players
and coaches to have to be in. Now he now,
I will say, though, because he is not a coach.
He is up a lot. And generally, if you're sitting courtside,

(01:04:43):
you usually sit, unless it's just one of those moments
where everyone in the entire arena is standing because people
behind you cannot see because you're all on the same level.
It's different than being up in the stands, where you
know you can see over the person in front of
you to some degree. So there is a little bit
of that. But nobody's telling Drake to sit down. I'm
gonna happen. So Toronto, I think Toronto's a little in

(01:05:04):
Milwaukee's head, just just a little memory. Toronto's the veteran
team here. This is a surge in Lowry and there's
a lot of veterans. Milwaukee's young. It feels like Toronto.
It's almost like they told Drake ratcheted up tonight, just
get in Milwaukee's head. I think it worked well. Yeah
it was a it was a blow out, but I

(01:05:25):
think that I think Toronto loved it. I think it
got into Milwaukee's young. Why would Toronto hate this, Like
it's it's your home court, it's your global ambassador who's
being enthusiastic. And he's not the first fan to do this,
Like this is not new, Spike Lee, Jack Nicholson, like
he said, like it's it's not new anyway. So, the
NFL has announced two new cities that have been selected
to host the draft in the coming years. Cleveland was

(01:05:46):
awarded the drafts in twenty twenty one, and Kansas City
will have the event in twenty twenty three. Las Vegas
has already been award of the twenty twenty draft year,
and the NFL is still deciding on twenty twenty two.
But I do love this that the draft is moving
from city to city. We're showing some video of Nashville.
It's amazing. Over six hundred thousand people attended the draft,
which is just, let me say, mind blowing to me.

(01:06:08):
Two things. The NFL took too long, but they finally
figured it out. Flexible scheduling on Sunday night, like why
lock yourself in, let's watch the better teams the last
ten weeks of the year, and that took forever, and
moving the draft. These have both been massive home runs.
Take it, Take it to Cleveland, candidate. You know how
many people in Cleveland are gonna show up for that thing.

(01:06:29):
You're gonna have a million people in Cleland. You think
Nashville had a big crowd, you wait until see what
Cleveland does. Yeah, no, absolutely, it's going to be. I mean,
this is a huge event. They did an amazing job
with it. The production was incredible. I mean, look look
at those streets. Since it's in the draft, that's when
the drafted. How much downtime it is just standing around.
I've been I've been in those streets in Nashville before.

(01:06:52):
That is a long, long and up that is like
a hundred yards. I mean, that is an incredible It's
really a scene, and it's not a scene that I
would particularly want to stand in, but I respect the
fandom and it looks like if that's something that you
liked doing, it's really fun. And Kansas City is going
to be crazy. They're putting it in the right cities too,

(01:07:13):
the cities that you know, like Tennessee. They want to
show you they matter, and Cleveland wants to show you
they matter. Everyone's gonna show out. Yeah, Vegas is going
to be It's gonna be insane too. I mean, Vegas
is an an event town, so it's it's really fun. Finally,
Dak Prescott is in the final year of his rookie
deal and has been working with the Cowboys on an extension.
At OTA's Wednesday, Dak admitted that both sides have traded

(01:07:34):
contract proposals, but he tries not to let the process
distract him. When you look at numbers, I think a
lot of it's about the market, so I don't really
pay attention to any of that. I'll come in and
I just proved myself each and every day to these other,
these other guys in this locker room. That's the only
thing that I have to worry about. And I know
if I'm if I'm doing that and getting better, good
things happen. So that's out of my focus. As I

(01:07:55):
said before, I've got a great team in place to
handle that and it'll get done event Well, apparently the
Cowboys are prioritizing Dac and Cooper's contracts over Zeko Elliott's
and the contract talks that's according to the NFL media
is tom um Pella Sero. So I think you know
they're looking to get a deal done for Zeki Elliott
as well. But I think they like a Marian Deck's dependability, right.

(01:08:18):
I think that the Cowboys are talent Zeke. You see
these guys. We like that. We get the kind of
the same guy in the building, everything insistency, and that's
import I think it's really big. They are going to
get this done though, and I don't think anyone should
freak out about the numbers because he deserves whatever they
are going to pay him. He's gonna he's gonna get
a lot of money. Yeah, they're gonna have to make choices,
but they'll he's gonna get his money. Joy with the news.

(01:08:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. Okay
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I was just Charles Barkley just came on the show
and Rob Parker said that when he was in between
jobs one time, one of the first people to call
him was Charles Barkley and left a great voicemail message

(01:09:23):
to me. He really he's just a great guy. So
I just heard that. That was great. Yeah, So I
said earlier, when you choose a sport, you're actually choosing
a culture that you're comfortable with. Golf. People who golf
like the culture of golf tradition, respectful, many are over fifty.

(01:09:46):
It's not just golf, but you initially felt comfortable with
the culture of it. The NBA culture and I feel
comfortable with it is young, brash, soap opera cloud music.
While not hip, but the hipness I like it in
my life. I think it's fun. I take my wife,
she loves going to NBA games. So the Drake situation,
I know a lot of people are just appalled by it,

(01:10:09):
and I'm like, I've seen this with Spike and Jack
and Diane Cannon, and I got Mark Cuban screaming at
officials and Steve Bomber's coming out of his suit. But
this bothers you, doesn't it. I just don't understand. Like, Okay,
I get it, he's a big Raptors fan, he's from Canada.
It all makes sense and there's nothing wrong. But now

(01:10:29):
you're going around squeezing the coach's shoulders. What's next college?
You're gonna be in the locker room popping towels after
the game. I mean, seriously, it's a little bit over
and I think the NBA should say something to him.
You cross the line. The game is going on. You
don't need to do all that kind of stay in
your seat or stay you know, around where your seat is.

(01:10:49):
And that's fine. We love the enthusiasm. We're not telling
you that you shouldn't be thrilled with what's going on.
We love you as an NBA fan, but that cane.
By the way, I do feel like Raptors loved it
because it got in Milwaukee's head. Toronto's a veteran team,
Milwaukee's a young team. I think Milwaukee got rattled. I

(01:11:11):
think Drake Romer rub All, I just think. I just
think they got rattled in that game. I don't think
Toronto's that talented after Kawhi, but I think they're full
of smart, veteran guys. And yes, I will agree with that,
and that they have even though they had playoff failure,
that those teams won a lot of games. Don't look

(01:11:31):
at the last couple of years before Kawai got there.
I Baca, Danny Green, Kawhi, Kyle. These are thirty three
year old men. Milwaukee's got a lot of twenty five
year old kids, and I do think I want to
see tonight. I do think Drake and I'm not a
big believer and give fans credit for wins, but I
think he got into Milwaukee's head. Okay, Warriors make it

(01:11:54):
to five finals. Nick, Come on, now, isn't it time
for you a little bit of a detractor to acknowledge
the greatness of this run. Is it the greatness of
the run or the weakness and watered down of the NBA.
And I'll give you the reason why it's not that impressive.
The last time it was done was nineteen sixty six

(01:12:16):
with the Celtics. Colin pop Quiz how many teams were
there in the NBA eight ten? Okay. So my point
is once you had a good team back then, you
stayed together. It was no free agency. So if you
want to go back in sports history, go look. The
Yankees made the World Series in the fifties eight out
of ten years. They had the best team. The Montreal

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Canadians won every year in hockey, the Green Bay Packers,
they had the best team, so they really dominated. For
a team to dominate and go to five straight NBA
finals in a league with thirty teams, it's because the
competition balance has been thrown off. This is what I
told you all the time about Lebron James ruining the NBA,

(01:13:00):
and I've said it before. Yes, he ruined the league
from this step right up in the ruins very ready.
So he started my space when he went down to
Miami with the Big Three, and they won up to them,
and they made facebook when they got Kevin Durant. That's
where the balance. That's why Lebron made it to eight
straight NBA Finals. This is a bad league with no balance,

(01:13:23):
and this year has been better. The Eastern Conference was
much better. I'll give you that with Lebron out of it. Yeah,
but here we are. Before the season started, everybody knew
the Warriors were going to the NBA Finals, didn't you know?
But I would argue this, don't we kind of know?
I mean, Alabama, Clemson market down there in the National Championship,
brooks Kepta is gonna start winning all the majors, Yukon

(01:13:45):
women's basketball, New England Patriots. I'm seeing all I'm seeing
now in sports. His dynasty, Serena, twelve years of domination, Federer, Djokovic.
That's the world we live in. Everybody's like one or
two empirical powers. They dominate. See, I don't see like that.
In Major League Baseball. You can talk about the Red
Sox win the World Series, Kansas City won in twenty fifteen.

(01:14:06):
The Cubs hadn't one in a hundred years. I'm just
saying this spread out of different of different teams where
you don't know for sure, you might have an idea,
but you know every year the Warriors are gonna be there.
I just think that's a bad league. I know everybody
can say, oh, the NBA and you saw the TV
ratings for the Eastern Conference or down say that part
of it as because of Canada being involved where they

(01:14:28):
don't count the ratings. Okay, can you at least acknowledge this?
I said this about Steph Curry. For a dynasty to
last a long time, Duncan Brady Staff, Duncan was not
a dynasty. They never won back to back championship. They
won five in fifteen years. Colin, that's not a dynasty.
You ready. The Parker definition of dynasty is you need

(01:14:51):
to win three in a row or four out of
or two in a row, three out of four or
three in a row, something like that. Will you have
at least two and then you say you lose one
year and you win again. Can Dallas Cowboys won three
out of four? That was a dynasty? Okay? Can you
at least acknowledge with Steph because you've been critical of
him that I'm watching this Gotham Choper documentary, Dad, teammate, father,

(01:15:17):
his personality, He's the elkas Seltzer of players. He just
brings all the disturbance down. This part of his greatness
is his DNA, his personality. He's so dependable. Draymond and
KD fought when he was hurt and not in the
locker room. Come on, give Steph some love. I give
Steph love on that. All of that. I just think

(01:15:40):
that he's approached a little bit higher than he really is.
And this NBA Finals will determine how you look at
Steph Curry. Okay, okay. If he loses without k D,
that would mean that he didn't He lost right without KAD.
He also is the author of the three one choke
job to the Cavaliers, and that year when they won

(01:16:02):
seventy three had not lost two games all year and
lost three straight, including two at home to choke that down.
And the one championship he did lead them was when
Kyrie and Kevin Love were hurt when they beat the Cavaliers.
So this is a huge one of you talking about
we got the numbers, we got all the three partners.
Sometimes I look out there, I'm not sure if I'm

(01:16:24):
watching the Harlem Globe try to play to watching the
Generals with the crazy threes. So I get that he's
a great player, he's a great shooter, but I think
the perach is way too high. He needs to win
this championship. You really don't believe his legacy is framed today. No,
not at all. If he loses, and even the championship

(01:16:45):
they won, he didn't even win the finals MVP. Look
how many finals MVPs. Where are all the other incredible,
high caliber superstar NBA players hiding. Are they not in
the league or something like? They're in the NBA finals.
They've won, They've beat James Harden, they beat Christian Portland.

(01:17:10):
To him, If Steph Curry retires, let's just say today
he twists his ankle it practice and he says it's broken,
I retire. You don't have Steph Curry is one of
the ten most important players in league history. I'm not
Kareem Lebron, Michael Magic. Some people try to put him
and say he's the best small guard. He's a shooter
in the history of the world. Here we go. I

(01:17:31):
will give you Isaiah Thomas. I'm talking about Zeke Isaiah righty,
Isaiah beat Magic. He'd beat Jordan and Bird during his prime,
and have not for a bad call against the Lakers,
that team would have won three straight championships instead of two.
And and think about this, he didn't have another top
fifty player on his roster. Steph Curry has four of them.

(01:17:55):
Come on, now, don't make me badmouth Isaiah Thomas. Badmouth
Isaiah Steph. I love Isah Thomas. You'll never get me.
Isah Thomas is, in my life, the best ball handler
in league history, the toughest little guy in league history. No, no,
you'll buy Ane Thomas is big time talent. Right. All

(01:18:16):
I'm saying is you have reduced Steph Curry to a crazy, flippy,
floppy harlem globtrotter half court shot. After after some of
those shots, I'm waiting for him to throw a bucket, bucket,
the confetti. I just don't know what's And he's still
playing against the Western in the Western Conference Finals. He's

(01:18:36):
playing against the best talent that there is. Did he
name a player that could score zero and a half
in thirty three in the second that was tremendous? But
with joy to answer you a question when you look
at that Houston team. None of those guys are winners
from the standpoint of winning, Big Mike D'Antoni. You remember
the teams he had in Phoenix. They could never Winferent Paul,

(01:19:00):
Chris Paul can't win, James Harden can't win. They can't win.
You've Rollen wasn't ready for what's the conference final? Steph Curry,
you you're basically he's a specialist. He's a great player.
You know, brain surgeons are specialist too. You're gonna need
a specialist someday when you're seventy in a hospital. Bob Parker,
his vitals aren't working. Let's bring in a specialist. You'll

(01:19:22):
like specialist then Rob Parker or Rashmark Kazy talking Lakers
and more and Clippers Durant Final hours coming up, Rob Parker,
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(01:19:44):
A Women's World Cup kicks off June seventh, and all
eyes will be on Alex Morgan, Carly Lloyd, Megan Rippino
and the US women's national team as the defending champion's
head of France looking to win a historic fourth World Cup.
All the matches will be live here on Fox and
FS one. You know, I absolutely love when the World
Cups men or women are in Europe because sometimes she
had like the British Open, there's just something clad. Europe

(01:20:07):
feels like our older, more sophisticated brother, sometimes little cranky
by the way. They party more than we do. France
hosting the World Cup is gonna feel so right and
so big and the number two team in the world.
We're number one, so like you can see these pass
with the USA women, the veteran powerhouse, and this young,

(01:20:29):
super talented French team in Europe the World Cup. Remember
the World Cup in BC? Did you ever see that? God?
It was great. One of the the first time I
came to this company. That was the day I decided
to come. I watched the Women's World Cup on FS one,
and I told my daughter I was sitting on a couch,
I'm like, look how much fun that company's having. I'm
going there. Uraschmarkas the La Time Sports columnists, formerly a
senior writer at ESPN and SI for the record, when

(01:20:51):
you come on this show and you are critical of
the Lakers, listen. Nobody likes to be criticized, you know,
and I know I run into some of these employees,
like her employees where I live. Do you get blowback
because you've been critical and you have to cover them?
You're a newspaper guy, You're you're a foot soldier. I'm not.
I'm up here in a TV studio. Do you find um?

(01:21:13):
What is with all? I've never seen a Lakers criticized
by local media in my life like this. How was
it sitting with them? It's not sitting well, but I
don't think they're paying attention to what we're talking about.
And to kind of give you a perspective. How tough
this is for me. I love Genie Buss. I teach
a class at USC Genie Buss. Her only public comments
have been to my class. She actually stopped by the

(01:21:34):
class and the kidsaster about Magic resigning and about and talked.
She talked to them. It was not on the records.
I won't say what she said. But it's hard for
me to be up here and say I don't agree
with what she's doing, just because I don't That does
not mean she's not a fantastic person. That does not
mean that she's been a great person to work with.

(01:21:55):
But I don't agree with what's happening with the team
right now. I think the biggest concern I would have
is this, And I've been doing this on the air,
and I've been showing the power structure. If I'm Jimmy Butler, Kawhi,
Leonard Anthony Davis Anthony of course in a free agent yet.
But if I'm a free agent, you fly in on
your private jet, you get picked up, and then you
go to the office, and you sit in a room

(01:22:16):
and you meet these people. They've got lunch, and you know,
whereas the Clippers can give you Balmer Jerry West, Doc Rivers,
that's a pretty impressive room of three dudes, And whereas
you know, a Golden State can give you Joe lacub
the billionaire, the venture capitalist, Steve kerb, Bob Myers, hell
Steph may stop by the meeting. That is a power lunch.

(01:22:37):
The Lakers right now, their power structure is just a
spider web gone wrong. And I guess my question is
who's gonna be in the room for the pitch? Because
you may not have loved Magic as a detail oriented CEO.
But if Lebron's in a room and Magic's in a room,
that's a power lunch. Who's may can the calls on this?

(01:23:01):
Lebron has to be there and I know he wasn't
there for the coaching meetings, but he has to be there.
He has to run these pitches now, because when you
talked about it and you looked at the power structure
and you just brought that up Steve Bomber, Jerry West,
Michael Winger, who, by the way, is a future star
and Genie Buss should probably call him and yeah, I

(01:23:21):
mean you talk about a coaching tree, his GM tree,
Sam Presty and Jerry West. So he's a future star. Doc.
But why are the Lakers the Lakers? Why are the
the signature team in town? You go back in the day,
it was Jerry Buss, Jerry West, pat Riley fast Forward,
Jerry Buss, Jerry West, Bill Jackson. That is a powerful,

(01:23:42):
powerful room. You're walking into that room right now and
it's Genie Buss, Linda Rambus, Kurt Rambus, Rob Polinka, Tim Harris,
Joey Buss, Jesse Buss and maybe a few other people
that that that is not a power structure. You leave
that wondering who's doing what? I hitching my wagon? No,
no, no no, listen, I listen. When I came over to

(01:24:03):
this company, I went to a power lunch with two
big shots and they looked me right in the eye
and the guy said, we can do this for you,
and the other guy said I can do this for you.
And I knew they were right because they were at
the top of the food chain. And so I think
more people in the room is not a good thing
or a remedy for closing a deal, whether it's Alabama football,
Duke basketball, or the Lakers. You have thrown this out

(01:24:27):
that you know we're talking about all this conjecture. Yeah,
there is a move that nobody is in thinking about
with Anthony Davis. Because remember to get Anthony Davis. For
those who are watching the uninitiated here, he's not a
free agent, so you have to trade stuff to get him.
Who's got the best trade pieces? You have a surprised
team here. Well, if you go back to the turning

(01:24:49):
point for the Lakers, it was they were supposed to
get Chris Paul from New Orleans that did not happen
the Clippers got him. Don't be surprised if the Clippers
are once again taking the superstar, our player from New Orleans.
And here's why. When you look at the trades that
they made when they traded Chris Paul and they traded
Blake Griffin, they got a lot of draft picks and
some good young players. They got a lot of draft picks. Yeah,

(01:25:12):
and so they could definitely package those picks, package those
young players. And I think, listen, if they want to
trade Davis, but they don't want to trade them to
the Lakers because of what's been said and what's happened,
don't be surprised if the Clippers would Jerry West pick
up that phone call and say, hey, listen, we can
offer you multiple first round picks some really good young players.

(01:25:35):
That that's a deal that could potentially happen. Yeah. Listen,
if you're the Pelicans for Anthony Davis, I got Zion
and Drew Holiday and you can give me draft picks
and Lou Williams in Montrese, Harold, and they got some
good contracts, good pieces, got good contracts like that, you
would not be thinking that you're taking on a bad
contract to make this deal when you look, when you

(01:25:57):
you know, it's a weird time that Kyrie the Lebron Lebron.
I didn't believe this initially, and I told Rich Paul VI,
Lebron's representative. I said, don't tell me. Lebron's not making
things happen. And Rich Paul kept saying, Colin, we're letting
the Lakers run it. I said, come on, Rich, come on,

(01:26:18):
and I gotta tell you today, Rich was being honest
with me. I think Lebron almost to a fault because
he was criticized for meddling, and you know he left
because pat Riley wouldn't give him whatever he wants. I
think Lebron listened to that and thought, you know what,
I'm good. I'm gonna let the Lakers run it. I

(01:26:39):
actually believe now that Lebron hasn't meddled and has really
let the Lakers make the calls. And I think it's
hurt Lebron. I now trust Lebron more than anybody else
in the room. Colin, you go back to the previous
two moves he made. When he went to the heat,
he knew exactly what was happening. He knew the players
that were coming with him. He knew the Powers structure,

(01:27:00):
he knew the coach, he knew where he was going
before he went back to Cleveland. He knew the picks,
the draft picks, we're gonna trade that for Kevin Love.
He knew the plan. I was always amazed, and no
one really talked about it. He never called Luke Walton,
he never called the Denny players. He chose the Lakers
because of Los Angeles. He chose the Lakers because they
are the signature team in town. If you want to

(01:27:22):
talk to Jack and Denzel and be in Hollywood, you're
with the Lakers. So he picked them for the only
reason Lebron would. It's not why Kawhi would. It's not
why Kid would. The Clippers are now the team that
if you want to win a championship, if you want
to be with a stable franchise with Steve Balmer and
Jerry West and Doc Rivers, you're going there. But to

(01:27:43):
your point, he didn't pick the Lakers because they're the Lakers.
He picked them because they're Hollywood and he was coming
to Los Angeles, So it wasn't about the team. And
he probably should meddle more because Tyler would be the
coach and he would be in charge of Can I
talk to Kyrie? Can I talk to some of these?
I was told to roshmar Kazi. I was told, now again,

(01:28:04):
this is a friend of a friend. But somebody I
trust that Lebron came here. And I was told this
after the fact that I didn't believe it. Initially. I
thought he said, get Rondo, get Lance. But Lebron complained
around the All Star break to somebody I trust that
somebody's in the league. Lebron complained, he said, listen, man,
you got me a bunch of crazy guys who can't shoot.

(01:28:26):
He's like, you know, you basically got me the opposite
of Miami, where I had all the stable guys that
could shoot, and guys I loved, Shane Battier, Ray Allen
has them, smart heady veterans, most could shoot. And he
complained to a friend of mine and just said, they
got me crazy people. And I just had a crazy
guy in j R. Smith. I left JR. Smith, you

(01:28:48):
got me crazy guys who can't shoot. I mean, look,
and I think Lebron in that moment there was a
I should have meddled more. I totally agree that he
feels that now, because I don't think he first saw
a scenario where Tyler was not going to be his coach. So,
by the way, kudos to him for showing up to
the Frank Vogel press conference. He didn't talk to us,

(01:29:08):
but I think him showing up showed some kind of support.
But they really messed up on that, tylu higher because
that's the coach that he wanted. That was the perfect
coach for this team. But for them to hire Frank
Vogel and pair him with Jason Kidd, it's gonna it's
gonna be exactly like the raw Polinka Magic Johnson's situation.
Two guys who have never worked together but want the

(01:29:29):
same job. Yeah. Last question, gut feeling, give me one
player you feel strongly about. The Lakers would land Jimmy Butler.
I think they could give him a max deal and
he would love to play here. The Clippers, from what
I've been told, do not want to sign him. They
Colin they think they're gonna have a big summer. So
when you I think you're you're, you're, You're gonna turn

(01:29:51):
a little bit of a corner here because I think
they're gonna get Kauai and I think they have a
real shot for kad and if they get those two,
my goodness. Wow. Jimmy Butler actually is in Los Angeles
a lot. He loves Craigs, he does. I'd seen Ras
Joy with the news. No turns, this is the herd
Line news. All right. Well, here's an organization that got

(01:30:14):
the higher right. John Howard is heading to Michigan. He
got five year deal from his school. John Beeline just
left for the Cavaliers and they had to find a
replacement for him. So he has been with the Miami
Heat for about six years now, I believe, And two
people who are excited about the Higher are his former
Heat teammates, Wade and Lebron De Wade tweeted, talk to
me nice sada is so my guy deserves this opportunity.

(01:30:36):
This will only be right. Then Lebron responded to Wade's
tweet with his own, saying, man, what absolutely the right
choice and I hope it becomes a done deal asap.
One of my favorite people I've ever met at the
age of sixteen and been around since then. He has
when the time. He has a great reputation on the league.
Obviously played for many years and was a part of
Fab five, which is one of the most legendary college

(01:30:59):
basketball teams of all time. And obviously he's going to
be headed back there. So I mean, they have an
unbelievable culture at Michigan with Michigan basketball anyway, so this
makes perfect sense. Bring in someone who was a part
of establishing that culture in the first place, someone who
who's coaching resume can't be questioned. I mean, he's put
in time with a very stable organization who loves him,

(01:31:22):
and he was a big part of being the bridge
between players and front office and management. It's interesting the
Fab five, there are five different guys. The three biggest
names were you know, Webber, Jalen and Jowan Howard. It's
interesting all their avenues were different. Webb was the star
player and went into broadcasting, you know, like like, and

(01:31:42):
he had some a little bit of controversy with him,
but he was he was the star player, like Seaweb.
When I think Seaweb, I think all star. Jalen went
was a good player, went into broadcasting, and Howard went
into coaching, and you know, they all ended up with
kind of different brands. Now Seawebs got into broadcasting now.
But Jewan was the guy you didn't hear a bunch about.
He was never a star in the league, but he's

(01:32:03):
one of those guys that puts all this time in
and when you go around the league or my sources
and I called there, everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's been
on his track for like a that kid, even when
he was playing, he was going to be a coach.
Joan never sought He never sought headlined, he never sought attention.
He was kind of a grinder of the Fab five.
And here all these years later he's rewarded with alma mater.

(01:32:27):
He's the coach dream job. It's a perfect situation because
it was in a situation where somebody you know, got fired.
There's some controversy, like Biline moved on to what I'm
sure it was his dream job to coach in the NBA.
It's it's a perfect situation, and it's it's nice to
see schools doing this. Obviously, Penny Hardaway is at Memphis
and has the number one recruiting class in the country.
So there there, and the recruiting thing is not that's

(01:32:51):
I mean, this is what Juwan is known for is
relating to players and having relationships. He's a relationship you
are involved with and have a hand in grassroots basketball.
That's the number one thing now. I mean, au and
the grassroots basketball circuit is huge. I mean we've heard
about Zion for years now because of it, and it's
just it's only growing. So if you have those relationships,
you can recruit from all over the country. I mean,

(01:33:13):
kids from southern California are going to Memphis now. So
it's all about relationships. So it's a good hire for Michigan.
Kyrie Irving stop free agent this summer. We were just
discussing that and this is strong since his days of
the Celtics are over. If he does leave Boston, maybe
he reunites with Lebron in La. Here is Brian Windhorse
on Kyrie's options in free agency. If you'd asked me

(01:33:35):
six months ago, Sage I have said the door was
closed and locked, that was not going to happen. But
over the last few months there has no doubt been
a thawing between Kyrie and Lebron, and Kyrie has become
to be more open to joining the Lakers and has
done some research on the organization. That's said with Magic leaving.
That was a guy that he felt the connection to
and with the great opportunities in Brooklyn and in New York,

(01:33:57):
plus Boston trying to keep him. I think the Lakers
are low. We're on this list, but they're on his list,
and that gives them a fighting chance. And this free agency,
it's going to be crazy crazy. We'll say this. He
and Lebron played well together for all their for all
their dramatic breakup. Lebron works with shooters, always, Corver Jr. Bosh.

(01:34:20):
You know, you could argue he and Wade really didn't fit.
They just made it work because they're just so great.
But I mean they kind of had I always thought
that team had the other pieces around that Wade and
Lebron weren't the exact perfect fit. I mean they had
the shooters there, they had Rayale, and they had mcmiller.
They had seen. There's never been a shooter Lebron's played
with that didn't work. He works and regardless of size,

(01:34:42):
Kevin love big shooter. Bosh like Kyrie is the one.
Because Jimmy Butler's not a pure shooter and Kawhi is
more mid range. Kyrie and Lebron fit. They absolutely worked,
and I mean, I argue this from the beginning. I
don't understand why if you're going to get Lebron in
LA you don't put all the pieces around him that
make Lebron successful, Ty Lou Shooters, someone like Kyrie. Now,

(01:35:07):
it's obviously up to Kyrie to come here or not,
but I mean the state that the Lakers are in
are because the Lakers did not build around Lebron James.
I mean, we were talking about the Cavaliers earlier. Obviously
they had all those years that weren't successful with Lebron.
It's kind of a disappointment to have Lebron and your
team for that long and only have one championship. But
eventually they got it right. Put the things around Lebron
that he needs to be successful. Lebron is the star,

(01:35:28):
He's the best player in the NBA. You should want
to do that. So hopefully they will try in that direction.
I think it would be interesting. I do think that
it's more of a possibility than some of the other
options out there for Kyrie. Finally, Kawhi Leonard will be
one of the biggest free agents this summer along with Kyrie,
and Toronto is desperate to try and keep him in
the North. The newest ploy. It's from the CEO of

(01:35:51):
condo store Realty, Simon Mass. He is offering Kawhi a
multimillion dollar penhouse in downtown Toronto. Excuse me, here are
some which I really like that. Yeah, it's beautiful. So
he would be able to pick from several lavish condos
at the Four Seasons, Saint Regis or Carlton Russ. So
they give it to him. Apparently they're giving it to him.

(01:36:12):
You can stay there for free. Now, I would say
that this is probably a deal you would want to
keep on the low because people generally don't want everyone
knowing where they live, especially when you're the biggest star.
So if I if I sign, if I stayed there
for eight years, I wonder, would they let me just
stay in it for free or would they give it
to me? I think they're probably it's probably a deal

(01:36:33):
where they just let you stay there for free. Because
I listen, man, Canada's got its taxes. I mean, it's
not a bad deal. Not that's a thirty thousand dollars
a month condo. I know it. You don't think it's much,
but you give me free living. Look at that thing.
It's it's very nice. That is definitely an incentive, although
again I do think you probably want to give him

(01:36:54):
one that's not listed on pictures all of the internet.
This week also, fans of started an incentive called Kawaine
and Dine. So it's an initiative for Kawai to eat
for free at Life for Life around restaurants in the
city if he signs in Toronto. So there's a fifty
participating restaurants already. This is brilliber Left of Our have

(01:37:16):
also signed up, as well as a recording studio, an
auto detail shop, and a law firm. So basically, Kawai
can live for free if he's in Toronto, is never
gonna have to pay for anything ever. Again and Dine,
it's got a little it's very smart. It's it's a
little desperate, but it's very smart. You gotta give people. Listen,

(01:37:36):
what Toronto was saying is we know we have some
maybe weather disadvantages to La, but we're gonna go all
in on this. And I think it's great. N I
don't think it's next word at all, Like it's he
is going to be legendary there no matter what he's
there for a year and they're in the Eastern Conference finals.
They very well may go to the finals. Why wouldn't

(01:37:56):
they want to keep do everything to keep him in Toronto.
And it's just shows that the fan base is very
passionate and they want to wrap their arms around and
make him their guy and we can basically just own Toronto.
It's very smart. That's great. Joy with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News.
I'm totally fine if someone wants to start a Joys

(01:38:19):
for Free yeah campaign or on the la listen to this.
The Warriors just announced Kevin Durant calf strain is unlikely
to return for the start of the finals, but they're
hopeful he returns at some point during the finals. He
has not been cleared yet for on court activities. So

(01:38:39):
I just got I'm not gonna throw this out there.
This is my theory on this. This is just I'm
not gonna throw this out that what is because they're winning,
they're winning all these games without k D. What's the
value of coming back until the Golden State Warriors trail.
There's no value if you come back game one and

(01:39:01):
you lose that's not great. If I'm Kevin Durant, I
just watched the finals, and then if Golden State is
down to one, I come in and I saved the day.
But if you don't think branding matters, I'm dead serious.
This sounds crazy. Now. I don't think it sounds crazy.
I don't think he's really hurt. I don't I don't

(01:39:21):
think he is good. I don't think he's coming back
to the finals at all. That's a long reci that's
a tough injury to recover from. You have to rest
forever man ten more days, and he's not going to
be ready for the start, all right, Okay, Coming up next,
Drake's on the sidelines. He's just one of those famous

(01:39:44):
people that we automatically connect to one team. We'll give
you a list. Pretty interesting that's coming up next. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in
noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS
one and the iHeart Radio app. Craziest thing is happening
in sports right now? So there's a Yankee named Labor Torres.
He's one of their young stars and it's just a

(01:40:06):
fascinating story. So he's a really good hitter, especially against Baltimore. Okay,
he's played them eleven games. He has ten home runs
against the Orioles in eleven games. By the way, he's
only got twelve on the season, so he hits all

(01:40:29):
his home runs against one team. He had his ninth
and tenth yesterday. Here's the Orioles announcer Gary Thorne describing
the last two Taurres pumps. That one in the air,
that's the left center field well, Gerson back. I don't know,
goodbye home run. I just you cannot imagine this happening.

(01:40:55):
And it's all home runs against the Orioles. In the
ad A right, yo, man, SENI going back on the
ball by Torres, way back up, handy, I don't even know.
Goodbye home run. I mean Torres continues to write this

(01:41:20):
unbelievable story against the Orioles. Ten home runs in eleven
games against Baltimore. He's just an I've never seen anything
like it, very very funny. Gary Thorne's a classic, all right,
best for last. We're talking about Drake a lot, right,
and Drake has become very synonymous. He's the ambassador of
the Raptors, and I think it's a paid role. Got
in a little trouble yesterday. Everybody's freaking out because he's

(01:41:42):
touching the coach. And I was thinking about my ten
celebrity sports fans that when I say them, you think
of a sports team. Let's start with number ten. Number
ten Matthew McConaughey. University of Texas graduated from there in
nineteen ninety three host the annual benefit from Mac Brown.
This year, he named himself the Minister of Culture for

(01:42:05):
their new basketball arena. I've been to two Texas games
where he has been on the sidelines. I mean he
is all in. He is all in on the University
of Texas lives and dies without team. How about number nine,
number nine, Ashley Judd University at Kentucky, which now she
comes from an incredibly famous family. Mom and sister are

(01:42:25):
singers Naomi Judd and Winona Judd, and she sits in
the student section at basketball and football games. She was
consoling players after their loss in the twenty fifteen Final four,
so she's not up in the luxury suites. She is
sitting with the fans. Ashley Judd Number nine, Billy Crystal.
For years and years when the Lakers were cool, Billy

(01:42:48):
Crystal was with the Clippers. Now the Clippers now it's
okay to be a Clipper fan, but when they were
awful and embarrassing. Now he also pulls double duty as
a Yankee fan. But he went to their games when
nobody was in to the Clippers, he once joked and
compared it to watching a minor league team. He commented
a game with Ralph Lawler this year, and so he

(01:43:09):
kind of a Yankee and he's centered with a Clipper. Yeah, yeah.
A Drake his number seven Toronto Raptors. He became the
team's global ambassador in twenty and thirteen. I think he's
on the paycheck somewhere. Toronto native hip hop superstar. The
team has an annual Drake Night. He's at number seven,
number six. Tom Brady once said he'd want Mark Wahlberg

(01:43:31):
to play him if there was a Tom Brady movie.
Mark Wahlberg with the New England Patriots, a Boston native,
reportedly placed a heavy bet on the Patriots to win
last season Super Bowl two months before the season started.
He also famously left the Patriots comeback Super Bowl fifty one.
He was so disgusted he left. Mark Wahlberg all in

(01:43:53):
on the Patriots. Number five, speaking of Boston, Ben Affleck
and Matt Damon with the Red Sox, so I mean,
that's kind of they were goodwill hunting and Red Sox
was my first introduction to both. They grew up in Cambridge.
Damon narrated their two thousand and seven DVD World Series
win there By the way, there was an Affleck curse

(01:44:17):
for years because on Ben Affleck's birthday. For years, the
Red Sox never won on his birthday, and finally did
it in twenty fifteen. Number four. Bill Murray and the Cubs.
He grew up locally in Evanston, outside of Chicago. He
was kind of the celebrity face of their two sixteen
World Series run. He named his son Homer in honor

(01:44:42):
of the Cubs legend. Ernie Banks filled in for Harry
Carry in the booth more than once the North Side.
Bill Murray Cubs Number three gotta give loved ice Cube
in the Raiders LA Raiders, both Oakland and Los Angeles Raiders.
He made the Raiders kind of cap sort of synonymous
with hip hop culture. He's considered the leader of the

(01:45:06):
Raider Nation, a very vocal group. Remember, he produced a
thirty for thirty about the Raiders when they were in
Los Angeles. He released a couple of tracks that he
called Raider Anthems ice Cube. All in sports fan comes
home to Spike Lee and the Knicks. Spike Lee was

(01:45:26):
whether it was taunting Reggie Miller or not. Spike Lee
was very symbolic of nineteen eighties NBA basketball. It was
the Hatfield and McCoy feud with Reggie Miller and Spike Lee.
He moved to Brooklyn, his parents moving to Brooklyn as
a kid. And by the way, Spike won an oscar
this year. Remember that, so he is the only person

(01:45:47):
in Madison Square Garden who actually has a trophy a
cheap shot. His famous moment was It's a very funny
moment in ninety five and he was doing the whole
choke thing to Reggie Miller, and Reggie Miller came out
and just boom boom boom three three three and did
the choke back to Spike Lee and number one number one.

(01:46:09):
Basically he invented the courtside fan was Jack Nicholson, and
Jack Nicholson at the time was the biggest star in Hollywood.
He was Hollywood's I mean, it was like you know,
you went from like James Dean rock Hudson, like Jack
Nicholson for about twenty five years was the biggest star
in Hollywood. And he was a He was a Lakers
season taken holder since the seventies and we saw him

(01:46:30):
age before our eyes. The showtime Lakers were all close
with him. He almost got ejected back in two thousand
and three there was a Spurs playoff game. He almost
got ejected. People get worked up over Drake Jack almost
got thrown out. Um, maybe that's because he was in
the film Anger Management. Maybe that's what spawned that movie.
So there you go. We left out some Larry King

(01:46:52):
the Dodgers up there. Yeah, you can see Larry King
like almost Mary Heart and Larry King. This is a
pretty good list though they are definitely Spoo's the actor
that's the Philadelphia Eagle fan, Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper. Bradley
Cooper is a big Eagle fan. Oh you know he
wasn't that. That's a great movie. By the way, have
you ever seen that movie Playbook Silver Linings Play That

(01:47:16):
is a great and that is a big Steelers fan. Well,
we could you know why we didn't have snoop on
it because he's a Laker fan. He's a huge Steeler
fan and he's a huge USC fan. So we couldn't
we almost we couldn't figure out what fan he was.
Moral now he swears about the Steelers all the time. Boy,
oh he is not always grounded in. Yeah, he's like

(01:47:40):
a passionate dude. He was on Disputed this morning. All right,
good stuff. I want to thank Chris Brussard see web
Chris Webber, Charles Barkley, Rob Parker and a rash mrcazi
for all stopping by on our show today, wild show
on a Thursday, all sorts of fun. I want to
thank everybody. Nice to have Sir Charles, don't get him
much on the show today. We'll see you tomorrow.

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