June 24, 2022 • 18 mins
George Noory and paranormal researcher Dan Baldwin explore his work using pendulum dowsing to contact the spirit world, assist in the search for missing children, and discover the truth behind a woman's continued abduction by aliens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George
nor with you our first guest. Dan Baldwin is with
us a pendulum dowser, using his skills to search for
missing persons, contact the spirit world, and most recently, exploring
the connection between you a full phenomenon and the spirit world. Now,
(00:20):
some of his books include Speaking with Spirits of the Southwest,
Conversations with Spirits of the Southwest, the Psychic Detective, and
he has a number of them, and also of course
the Pendulum Paranormal Pendulum three that he wrote with George Sewell. Dan,
welcome back to the show. How are you. I am
doing fine, still swinging the old walk on the string.
(00:42):
You sure are, explained to people who don't know what
pendulum dowsing is, what it is, Okay, most people are
probably familiar with, you know, with the old farmer with
the y shaped witch instake looking for water out in
the in the past or someplace. And that's exactly what
I do. With the difference is I use a weight
on a string and basically you hold a string with
(01:04):
the weight at the base and you ask a question.
If it swings to the right, that's a yes. It
swings to the to the left, that's a no. And
the way it works basically is, you know, your conscious
mind focuses on the on the weight itself. It's a
little bit like hypnotism that frees up your subconscious to
talk to your higher self or to higher spirit. In
(01:26):
our case, we've talked to you know, spirits of the
deceased and even extraterrestrials. Are some people better dowsers than others? Dan? Oh, Yeah,
and that's just a matter of some people are better
at the piano than other people. It's a skill that
anybody can develop, and some people will be better at
it than others. But there's there's nothing magical about it.
You can pick it up, you know, you pick it
(01:48):
up in a pick up the technique in an hour.
The practice actually takes a lot longer, obviously. I know.
In some cases you hold it lightly between your two fingers,
your index fingers and your other finger and you just
just let it go and let it flow right. Yeah,
And you know, it's there's nothing magical about that. Your
your muscles in your finger actually move the move the
(02:10):
weight around. But they move it at the direction of
your subconscious mind as opposed to your critical mind, and
that makes all the difference in the world. Now, how
does it work with spirit communication? Yeah, I think I
think it's a it's a real advantage for people who
are interested in speaking with the with the deceased, because
you know, if you go out with the normal, normal
(02:31):
run of the psychic investigation, you hope to get some
kind of response, maybe an e VP or maybe a
knock on the door or something like that, and you
take that home with you and said, hey, we made contact.
That was great. With a pendulum, you can actually have
extended conversations with the with the with the deceased. You
can just care, you can ask question after question after question,
and as long as the spirit is willing to talk
(02:53):
to you, you can continue the conversation. That's something and
I think it works better than some other techniques simply
because you're dealing with a higher self, so in a sense,
you're dealing on a spirit to spirit level, and I
think the communication is a lot easier that way. Now,
what advantage is there dependent on dalzing as opposed to
(03:14):
going to some medium or something like that. Well, we worked,
worked with mediums. In fact, we had we had two
mediums working with us as volunteers on this book. I
actually like working with the medium because that gives you,
you know, another avenue to explore. Sure. So yeah, how
did you get started in dowsing? Dan? It's one of
(03:35):
those strange stories. You know. I'm not a clear audience.
I don't hear voices. But about twenty five years ago,
I was out walking by myself late at night and
I clearly heard a voice that you know, cleary said,
you know, go find missing children. It was like a command,
and it was one of those things that once it
was implanted in my brain, it would not go away.
(03:57):
So after about three months of dodging the obvious, you know,
I did the obvious obvious thing and said, you know,
show me the door and I will walk through it.
And it occurred to me that I had always heard
there was a psychic ability on one side of my family,
and I said, well, why don't I give that a try,
you know, maybe that'll work. And I started hanging out
(04:17):
with some psychics and going to psychic bookstores, and one
day I saw a woman with a pendulum and I said, bang,
you know I can do that, And so I picked
up the pendulum and pretty much himself taught Now, how
did you find missing children? I mean, when did you
hold a pendulum over a map or something like that. Yeah,
there are several ways to do that. You can you
(04:38):
ask your basic questions. You know, is this person alive?
Is this person in California or yes or no? Arizona
yes or no? This is this person in the Phoenix yes?
And know is this person in North Phoenix? Yes or no?
And you can actually shrink down the area of research.
And if I'm looking for someone, say in the wilderness,
I will use topological map or Google Earth. And one
(05:02):
of the advantages of working with a pendulum and looking
for missing persons as you can actually, you know, when
everything is cooking, when everything is working right, you can
reduce the search area down to the size of a
football field. Was at a party once years ago and
we used the pendulum as part of this party and
people were taking turns doing it. We were asking them
(05:24):
questions based on the yes or nos. And a guy
was there and a couple of people asked them some
two revealing questions. I guess about his personal life, yeah,
and his answers popped up and his wife walked out. Yeah,
I don't. That's why I don't get involved in It's
like a light detector, isn't it. Yeah, exactly. And there's
(05:46):
some things you know, I don't want to know about
other people. Yeah. In fact, I was at a book
signing one time several years ago over in Texas, and
out of the blue, this guy comes running into the door,
runs up to the pushes people out of away, and
he's literally foaming at the mouth. You gotta help me
find my wife. I know she's running around on me.
Oh boy, I said, no, I can't do that. I don't.
(06:09):
I don't do that. It is. It is truly remarkable
how how it works and what you do is you
you know you yes is up and down? Noah's left
and right like you're like you would move your head
and you just try to hold the pendulum right over
the middle, and you just communicate to it to stop
to go. Do you test it by saying think yes?
(06:30):
And it starts swaying. And in some cases I've seen
these things sway Dan, I mean like twelve inches just
up and down, just huge spikes. Yeah. One time I
think we talked about this one time when I was
on a previous show. But one time we were actually
releasing a spirit who was trapped, you know, trapped on
(06:52):
the earth, self trapped. But you know my pendulum actually
you know I'm holding it up and down. It actually
swung up above my hand around in a circle and
then dropped out. You know. The energy was so powerful
that day. Truly remarkable, truly remarkable. Now, tell us about
Lindsay Higgins. Who's Lindsay Higgins. Okay, Lindsay Higgins. Uh, let
(07:14):
me give you the the classics illustrated very tip of
the Iceberg storyline, and then you can ask the questions. Okay,
but it gets rather complex. But yeah, you mentioned on
the last hour you were looking at you know, where's
the major case. I think maybe this is one ob
them for you because it involves so many phenomena. But
(07:36):
six thousand years ago, a very highly developed, i mean
very very highly developed spiritual person made an agreement with
the spirit of the woman who is now Lindsay Higgins
to reincarnate throughout the centuries in a long term process
to enhance human beings. Okay, basically at her last incarnation.
(07:57):
And we covered this a little bit in the last book.
Her last incarnation was of a family UH that lived
in the Streeport Bogier City, Louisiana area, back in the
nineteenth century. She is the reincarnation of a woman called
UH Sally Murth Woodworth. Her father was W. D. Woodworth,
and she had a sister named me Linda Woodworth. Now
(08:19):
the interesting thing here is that whole family has reincarnated
into this this century. Like Lindsay's reincarnated as Sally. W
D is reincarnated as Lindsay's father Joe. So they're still together.
They all they are all still together, and they reincarnated together. Uh.
We discovered through again through the thousand process that not
(08:42):
only is Lindsay an abductee, but the Woodworth family also
had contact with with the with the UFOs. So in
this in this incarnation, the focus primarily is on Lindsay.
And she's the typical abduct d. You know, she saw
the ship, she floated out through the wall, she went
and had the medical experience experiments, she has has high
(09:03):
bred children, she's got the strange marks on her body afterwards,
and that's that sort of thing. And is Lindsay the
most recent incarnation, She's the one who's here now. Yes,
she's still alive. She's Season three Port Louisiana. How old
is she roughly, oh, season forties, forties? Okay, yeah, she's
a young whipper snapper. Okay, she's probably listening. What this
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gets even even further out there. Because Lindsay was concerned
about these strange feelings she has, she wanted to know
if it was real, so she contacted my co author,
George Sewell, who at one time was very active in Lufon.
So she worked with George. George and I were working
on that other book, the Spirit Book, So George brought
me in to, you know, do my pendulum dowsing thing,
(09:47):
and George's the dows are also but involved in that.
We discovered that the putting the three of us together
was stage managed by a spirit of an American actors
named Kate Bateman. She was very famous in the nineteenth
century in America in England, and she has been working
with the original highly evolved spirit that started this whole
(10:09):
thing off and bringing all of us together to bring
out Lindsay's story. So you have reincarnation, you have UFOs,
you have abductees, you have spirit contact with the deceased,
and we also have spiritual contact, all going on in
the same story all at once. Now. Has Lindsay ever
undergone hypnotherapy? She has not. I'm trying to talk her,
(10:34):
you know, into seeing if she would be willing to
do that, but to my knowledge, she has not. She
has not. She's been to a lot of doctors. She's
had the typical medical problems that the doctors just say, well,
you got a problem, and we don't know what causes it,
but you definitely got it. Yeah. Yeah, So how how
through you seeing the pendulum, Dan, can you get this
information about some of these past lives and incarnations and
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everything else about her? Yeah? This is this is basically
the two books really involved about a three year process
of interviews, and we interviewed not only Lindsay but well
her father and her sister. We interviewed people that she knew.
We interviewed people who were involved with the land in
the history of the place the interviews. Are they aware
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of the Are they aware of their past lives with her? No?
Not so far. If they no, not at all? Okay,
not to my knowledge in the way that hasn't come out.
They believe it because of the obvious. I mean, she
knows so much, and so much has come out, and
so much of it has been documented. We would find out,
we would come up with some information, and we were
(11:44):
working with some historians, and the historians were looking at records,
and sure enough, you know, what we came up with
is documented in the newspapers. So you're pretty well convinced
that something has happened to lindsay an abduction case for example,
something that's happened something. And I think I think it
goes way way beyond the typical abductee story. I think
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there's something much, much bigger going on here, and that
involves again the UFO phenomena, but also you know, the
spirit world is involved in this somehow. Also, Now, how
do you use the pendulum to get these answers or
get these questions answered? Again? You sit down. You can
(12:25):
sit down at at a kitchen table, which we've done
a lot of time. Sometimes we go to to the
actual site of a of where someone had lived or
where some hadvent had had gone on. Must she be
there with you on some of us? She was, Yes,
she goes very good working with the pendulum. Okay, she's
not a dousar She's very good with asking the questions, okay,
(12:45):
and so basically you ask, uh, you know, would would
someone from the spirit world be willing to show up
and speak with us? And always someone shows up and
helps you or tries to help us, tries to mess
you up. We've always been helped, trumped. Tremendous help has
been given to us about the spirit world. What have
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you concluded about Lindsey Higgins based on the dowsing? Her
story is true? Absolutely absolutely, she is definitely an abductee
and I firmly did again this is my opinion, but
he's backed up on, you know, like I said, three
years of research with the pendulum dowsing. Now, is she
an abductee in this human life or a past life? Yeah, yeah,
definitely in this life. He had I don't know if
(13:26):
she was an abductee in the past life, which she
definitely had UFO experiences in the past life. But she's
definitely an abductee in this life. There's no doubt about
that whatsoever. And I do think that the spiritual contact,
the spirit contact and the spiritual contact, I pressurely believe
that is very real. And her experiences, though have been
horror horrifying for her, haven't they say that again? You
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broke up just a little bit. Her experiences have been horrifying,
haven't they They were? They were because they were extremely frightening.
She didn't know what was going on, and her medical
condition was extremely painful, so it was terribly frightening. An
interesting side, don't on that we had contacts with the
with the ets who had who were abducting her. They
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are unaware, at least the ones who would who are
abducting her were unaware of pain. They didn't, you know,
they're not. The pain that they caused was not intentionally
to cause pain. They were just it was a byproduct.
They didn't realize that they were hurting us so bad.
So we asked them, you know, if you're going to
continue the experience experimental Lensay that said yes, would you
(14:36):
please do it without pain? And they said yes, And
since then her pains have gone away. What did they
want with her? Damn? That is the boy. That's the
number one question. We think The overall thing is that
there's a long term program going on, not only with Lindsay,
but I think Lindsay is probably the the beacon at
(14:59):
the moment for this movement. But there's a movement involving
the ets and involving at least some of the ets,
and involving the spirit realm and the spiritual realm to
ramp up the human race to make us better people.
I think she is she's going to be one of
the one of the leaders of that movement. I think
that's probably why we all got together. But do you
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think then what's happening to her is a good thing
or a bad thing. I think it was a bad
thing when she didn't know what was going on and
when she was confused and terrified. Right now, it's a
very positive thing. And she will tell you this. You know,
since she has worked with George and then worked with
George and her attitude has completely changed. She now sees
(15:40):
it as something very positive. And she actually sees that
this is, you know, this is what I'm supposed to
be doing with my life now. I'm supposed to be
out there telling people this is really going on, this
is really happening. It's okay for you to talk about it.
Come on out. You have information that you can share
with the world that the world needs to know. So
come on out and tell people. Don't be afraid. So
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this is a big turnaround for her, big turn around,
one hundred eighty degrees, no doubt about it. Did that
surprise you? It surprised me that it was. It happened
so fast. Now when you say it happened so fast?
How quickly? Yeah, Well, she went through you know, she
went through in this incarnation. She's gone through a whole
(16:25):
lifetime of basic terror, you know, with with what was
going on to her. Oh absolutely, within yeah, within less
than three years, she has made one hundred eighty degree turnaround.
It now sees this as actually something good that's going
on in her life that will help her help other
people in their lives. What is she doing? What is
she what is she doing for a living? Now? Right now?
(16:48):
She has a job enough, I'm drawing a blank. She
has a full time job. She works for a company
and I forget with the name, but she has a
full time job. Does she have a mission though, to
do something with this ability? I mean she was obviously
abducted for a reason, right, absolutely, And what do you
think that reason was? Well, again, I think the reason
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is the long term process of improving the human the
human species is the long term goal. The short term
goal I think is to bring more people out to
not be afraid to tell them, tell the world that yes,
I have been inducted. I have met with extraterrestrials. They
are real. We need to do something about this. We
need to make contact with them. We don't need to
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necessarily be afraid of them. Is it real that's going on?
Is this the same Lindsay Higgins who was on a
Netflix series, Yeah, exactly. In fact, she and my co
author George Sewell appeared on the network I think It's
Got Haunted, and they were on for a full hour.
She truly went public with that. Yeah, she finally once she,
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like I said, the turnaround has been one hundred and
eighty degrees once she realized what was going on and
the good aspect of it around completely. And she wants
to get out there now and tell people know her
story and encourage other people to tell their stories. It's
a very very uplifting story. I mean, she came from
terror to now she's out there not confronting it but
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kind of leading the charge into awareness. And you believe
she is the six thousand year old reincarnations of past lives. Yeah.
I cannot prove that at all, but from my pendulum research,
and again this is a couple of years of work,
I firmly believe that. In my heart, I firmly believe
that's a true story. Wow. Listen to more Coast to
(18:34):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George
nor with you our first guest. Dan Baldwin is with
us a pendulum dowser, using his skills to search for
missing persons, contact the spirit world, and most recently, exploring
the connection between you a full phenomenon and the spirit world. Now,
(00:20):
some of his books include Speaking with Spirits of the Southwest,
Conversations with Spirits of the Southwest, the Psychic Detective, and
he has a number of them, and also of course
the Pendulum Paranormal Pendulum three that he wrote with George Sewell. Dan,
welcome back to the show. How are you. I am
doing fine, still swinging the old walk on the string.
(00:42):
You sure are, explained to people who don't know what
pendulum dowsing is, what it is, Okay, most people are
probably familiar with, you know, with the old farmer with
the y shaped witch instake looking for water out in
the in the past or someplace. And that's exactly what
I do. With the difference is I use a weight
on a string and basically you hold a string with
(01:04):
the weight at the base and you ask a question.
If it swings to the right, that's a yes. It
swings to the to the left, that's a no. And
the way it works basically is, you know, your conscious
mind focuses on the on the weight itself. It's a
little bit like hypnotism that frees up your subconscious to
talk to your higher self or to higher spirit. In
(01:26):
our case, we've talked to you know, spirits of the
deceased and even extraterrestrials. Are some people better dowsers than others? Dan? Oh, Yeah,
and that's just a matter of some people are better
at the piano than other people. It's a skill that
anybody can develop, and some people will be better at
it than others. But there's there's nothing magical about it.
You can pick it up, you know, you pick it
(01:48):
up in a pick up the technique in an hour.
The practice actually takes a lot longer, obviously. I know.
In some cases you hold it lightly between your two fingers,
your index fingers and your other finger and you just
just let it go and let it flow right. Yeah,
And you know, it's there's nothing magical about that. Your
your muscles in your finger actually move the move the
(02:10):
weight around. But they move it at the direction of
your subconscious mind as opposed to your critical mind, and
that makes all the difference in the world. Now, how
does it work with spirit communication? Yeah, I think I
think it's a it's a real advantage for people who
are interested in speaking with the with the deceased, because
you know, if you go out with the normal, normal
(02:31):
run of the psychic investigation, you hope to get some
kind of response, maybe an e VP or maybe a
knock on the door or something like that, and you
take that home with you and said, hey, we made contact.
That was great. With a pendulum, you can actually have
extended conversations with the with the with the deceased. You
can just care, you can ask question after question after question,
and as long as the spirit is willing to talk
(02:53):
to you, you can continue the conversation. That's something and
I think it works better than some other techniques simply
because you're dealing with a higher self, so in a sense,
you're dealing on a spirit to spirit level, and I
think the communication is a lot easier that way. Now,
what advantage is there dependent on dalzing as opposed to
(03:14):
going to some medium or something like that. Well, we worked,
worked with mediums. In fact, we had we had two
mediums working with us as volunteers on this book. I
actually like working with the medium because that gives you,
you know, another avenue to explore. Sure. So yeah, how
did you get started in dowsing? Dan? It's one of
(03:35):
those strange stories. You know. I'm not a clear audience.
I don't hear voices. But about twenty five years ago,
I was out walking by myself late at night and
I clearly heard a voice that you know, cleary said,
you know, go find missing children. It was like a command,
and it was one of those things that once it
was implanted in my brain, it would not go away.
(03:57):
So after about three months of dodging the obvious, you know,
I did the obvious obvious thing and said, you know,
show me the door and I will walk through it.
And it occurred to me that I had always heard
there was a psychic ability on one side of my family,
and I said, well, why don't I give that a try,
you know, maybe that'll work. And I started hanging out
(04:17):
with some psychics and going to psychic bookstores, and one
day I saw a woman with a pendulum and I said, bang,
you know I can do that, And so I picked
up the pendulum and pretty much himself taught Now, how
did you find missing children? I mean, when did you
hold a pendulum over a map or something like that. Yeah,
there are several ways to do that. You can you
(04:38):
ask your basic questions. You know, is this person alive?
Is this person in California or yes or no? Arizona
yes or no? This is this person in the Phoenix yes?
And know is this person in North Phoenix? Yes or no?
And you can actually shrink down the area of research.
And if I'm looking for someone, say in the wilderness,
I will use topological map or Google Earth. And one
(05:02):
of the advantages of working with a pendulum and looking
for missing persons as you can actually, you know, when
everything is cooking, when everything is working right, you can
reduce the search area down to the size of a
football field. Was at a party once years ago and
we used the pendulum as part of this party and
people were taking turns doing it. We were asking them
(05:24):
questions based on the yes or nos. And a guy
was there and a couple of people asked them some
two revealing questions. I guess about his personal life, yeah,
and his answers popped up and his wife walked out. Yeah,
I don't. That's why I don't get involved in It's
like a light detector, isn't it. Yeah, exactly. And there's
(05:46):
some things you know, I don't want to know about
other people. Yeah. In fact, I was at a book
signing one time several years ago over in Texas, and
out of the blue, this guy comes running into the door,
runs up to the pushes people out of away, and
he's literally foaming at the mouth. You gotta help me
find my wife. I know she's running around on me.
Oh boy, I said, no, I can't do that. I don't.
(06:09):
I don't do that. It is. It is truly remarkable
how how it works and what you do is you
you know you yes is up and down? Noah's left
and right like you're like you would move your head
and you just try to hold the pendulum right over
the middle, and you just communicate to it to stop
to go. Do you test it by saying think yes?
(06:30):
And it starts swaying. And in some cases I've seen
these things sway Dan, I mean like twelve inches just
up and down, just huge spikes. Yeah. One time I
think we talked about this one time when I was
on a previous show. But one time we were actually
releasing a spirit who was trapped, you know, trapped on
(06:52):
the earth, self trapped. But you know my pendulum actually
you know I'm holding it up and down. It actually
swung up above my hand around in a circle and
then dropped out. You know. The energy was so powerful
that day. Truly remarkable, truly remarkable. Now, tell us about
Lindsay Higgins. Who's Lindsay Higgins. Okay, Lindsay Higgins. Uh, let
(07:14):
me give you the the classics illustrated very tip of
the Iceberg storyline, and then you can ask the questions. Okay,
but it gets rather complex. But yeah, you mentioned on
the last hour you were looking at you know, where's
the major case. I think maybe this is one ob
them for you because it involves so many phenomena. But
(07:36):
six thousand years ago, a very highly developed, i mean
very very highly developed spiritual person made an agreement with
the spirit of the woman who is now Lindsay Higgins
to reincarnate throughout the centuries in a long term process
to enhance human beings. Okay, basically at her last incarnation.
(07:57):
And we covered this a little bit in the last book.
Her last incarnation was of a family UH that lived
in the Streeport Bogier City, Louisiana area, back in the
nineteenth century. She is the reincarnation of a woman called
UH Sally Murth Woodworth. Her father was W. D. Woodworth,
and she had a sister named me Linda Woodworth. Now
(08:19):
the interesting thing here is that whole family has reincarnated
into this this century. Like Lindsay's reincarnated as Sally. W
D is reincarnated as Lindsay's father Joe. So they're still together.
They all they are all still together, and they reincarnated together. Uh.
We discovered through again through the thousand process that not
(08:42):
only is Lindsay an abductee, but the Woodworth family also
had contact with with the with the UFOs. So in
this in this incarnation, the focus primarily is on Lindsay.
And she's the typical abduct d. You know, she saw
the ship, she floated out through the wall, she went
and had the medical experience experiments, she has has high
(09:03):
bred children, she's got the strange marks on her body afterwards,
and that's that sort of thing. And is Lindsay the
most recent incarnation, She's the one who's here now. Yes,
she's still alive. She's Season three Port Louisiana. How old
is she roughly, oh, season forties, forties? Okay, yeah, she's
a young whipper snapper. Okay, she's probably listening. What this
(09:24):
gets even even further out there. Because Lindsay was concerned
about these strange feelings she has, she wanted to know
if it was real, so she contacted my co author,
George Sewell, who at one time was very active in Lufon.
So she worked with George. George and I were working
on that other book, the Spirit Book, So George brought
me in to, you know, do my pendulum dowsing thing,
(09:47):
and George's the dows are also but involved in that.
We discovered that the putting the three of us together
was stage managed by a spirit of an American actors
named Kate Bateman. She was very famous in the nineteenth
century in America in England, and she has been working
with the original highly evolved spirit that started this whole
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thing off and bringing all of us together to bring
out Lindsay's story. So you have reincarnation, you have UFOs,
you have abductees, you have spirit contact with the deceased,
and we also have spiritual contact, all going on in
the same story all at once. Now. Has Lindsay ever
undergone hypnotherapy? She has not. I'm trying to talk her,
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you know, into seeing if she would be willing to
do that, but to my knowledge, she has not. She
has not. She's been to a lot of doctors. She's
had the typical medical problems that the doctors just say, well,
you got a problem, and we don't know what causes it,
but you definitely got it. Yeah. Yeah, So how how
through you seeing the pendulum, Dan, can you get this
information about some of these past lives and incarnations and
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everything else about her? Yeah? This is this is basically
the two books really involved about a three year process
of interviews, and we interviewed not only Lindsay but well
her father and her sister. We interviewed people that she knew.
We interviewed people who were involved with the land in
the history of the place the interviews. Are they aware
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of the Are they aware of their past lives with her? No?
Not so far. If they no, not at all? Okay,
not to my knowledge in the way that hasn't come out.
They believe it because of the obvious. I mean, she
knows so much, and so much has come out, and
so much of it has been documented. We would find out,
we would come up with some information, and we were
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working with some historians, and the historians were looking at records,
and sure enough, you know, what we came up with
is documented in the newspapers. So you're pretty well convinced
that something has happened to lindsay an abduction case for example,
something that's happened something. And I think I think it
goes way way beyond the typical abductee story. I think
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there's something much, much bigger going on here, and that
involves again the UFO phenomena, but also you know, the
spirit world is involved in this somehow. Also, Now, how
do you use the pendulum to get these answers or
get these questions answered? Again? You sit down. You can
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sit down at at a kitchen table, which we've done
a lot of time. Sometimes we go to to the
actual site of a of where someone had lived or
where some hadvent had had gone on. Must she be
there with you on some of us? She was, Yes,
she goes very good working with the pendulum. Okay, she's
not a dousar She's very good with asking the questions, okay,
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and so basically you ask, uh, you know, would would
someone from the spirit world be willing to show up
and speak with us? And always someone shows up and
helps you or tries to help us, tries to mess
you up. We've always been helped, trumped. Tremendous help has
been given to us about the spirit world. What have
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you concluded about Lindsey Higgins based on the dowsing? Her
story is true? Absolutely absolutely, she is definitely an abductee
and I firmly did again this is my opinion, but
he's backed up on, you know, like I said, three
years of research with the pendulum dowsing. Now, is she
an abductee in this human life or a past life? Yeah, yeah,
definitely in this life. He had I don't know if
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she was an abductee in the past life, which she
definitely had UFO experiences in the past life. But she's
definitely an abductee in this life. There's no doubt about
that whatsoever. And I do think that the spiritual contact,
the spirit contact and the spiritual contact, I pressurely believe
that is very real. And her experiences, though have been
horror horrifying for her, haven't they say that again? You
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broke up just a little bit. Her experiences have been horrifying,
haven't they They were? They were because they were extremely frightening.
She didn't know what was going on, and her medical
condition was extremely painful, so it was terribly frightening. An
interesting side, don't on that we had contacts with the
with the ets who had who were abducting her. They
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are unaware, at least the ones who would who are
abducting her were unaware of pain. They didn't, you know,
they're not. The pain that they caused was not intentionally
to cause pain. They were just it was a byproduct.
They didn't realize that they were hurting us so bad.
So we asked them, you know, if you're going to
continue the experience experimental Lensay that said yes, would you
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please do it without pain? And they said yes, And
since then her pains have gone away. What did they
want with her? Damn? That is the boy. That's the
number one question. We think The overall thing is that
there's a long term program going on, not only with Lindsay,
but I think Lindsay is probably the the beacon at
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the moment for this movement. But there's a movement involving
the ets and involving at least some of the ets,
and involving the spirit realm and the spiritual realm to
ramp up the human race to make us better people.
I think she is she's going to be one of
the one of the leaders of that movement. I think
that's probably why we all got together. But do you
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think then what's happening to her is a good thing
or a bad thing. I think it was a bad
thing when she didn't know what was going on and
when she was confused and terrified. Right now, it's a
very positive thing. And she will tell you this. You know,
since she has worked with George and then worked with
George and her attitude has completely changed. She now sees
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it as something very positive. And she actually sees that
this is, you know, this is what I'm supposed to
be doing with my life now. I'm supposed to be
out there telling people this is really going on, this
is really happening. It's okay for you to talk about it.
Come on out. You have information that you can share
with the world that the world needs to know. So
come on out and tell people. Don't be afraid. So
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this is a big turnaround for her, big turn around,
one hundred eighty degrees, no doubt about it. Did that
surprise you? It surprised me that it was. It happened
so fast. Now when you say it happened so fast?
How quickly? Yeah, Well, she went through you know, she
went through in this incarnation. She's gone through a whole
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lifetime of basic terror, you know, with with what was
going on to her. Oh absolutely, within yeah, within less
than three years, she has made one hundred eighty degree turnaround.
It now sees this as actually something good that's going
on in her life that will help her help other
people in their lives. What is she doing? What is
she what is she doing for a living? Now? Right now?
(16:48):
She has a job enough, I'm drawing a blank. She
has a full time job. She works for a company
and I forget with the name, but she has a
full time job. Does she have a mission though, to
do something with this ability? I mean she was obviously
abducted for a reason, right, absolutely, And what do you
think that reason was? Well, again, I think the reason
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is the long term process of improving the human the
human species is the long term goal. The short term
goal I think is to bring more people out to
not be afraid to tell them, tell the world that yes,
I have been inducted. I have met with extraterrestrials. They
are real. We need to do something about this. We
need to make contact with them. We don't need to
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necessarily be afraid of them. Is it real that's going on?
Is this the same Lindsay Higgins who was on a
Netflix series, Yeah, exactly. In fact, she and my co
author George Sewell appeared on the network I think It's
Got Haunted, and they were on for a full hour.
She truly went public with that. Yeah, she finally once she,
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like I said, the turnaround has been one hundred and
eighty degrees once she realized what was going on and
the good aspect of it around completely. And she wants
to get out there now and tell people know her
story and encourage other people to tell their stories. It's
a very very uplifting story. I mean, she came from
terror to now she's out there not confronting it but
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kind of leading the charge into awareness. And you believe
she is the six thousand year old reincarnations of past lives. Yeah.
I cannot prove that at all, but from my pendulum research,
and again this is a couple of years of work,
I firmly believe that. In my heart, I firmly believe
that's a true story. Wow. Listen to more Coast to
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