March 21, 2017 • 13 mins
George Noory and guest Heidi Hollis discuss her research into the mysterious Slenderman and shadow people attacks and paranormal entities.
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here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on I
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Heart Radio tonight. We're going to talk about the hat Man,
slender Man, shadow people. But I need you to tell
people about these individuals, these entities, and let's go through
each one. Let's start with the hat Man. What is
the hat Man? You know, I had made the mistake
(01:24):
early on. I'd introduced the shadow people topic on your
show many years ago, and I thought that the hat
man was another form that shadow people took, because shadow
people can come in any shape or form really, and
it could become a cloud of rodent um, somewhat of
a person looking thing. And it was myself in college
(01:45):
roommate who were experiencing these different beings. There was nothing
out there on the topic, and we put it up
online and there was one image that I put up there,
and it was of this man in a suit. I
personally had not experienced him at the time. It was
my college roommate who did. And I essentially rescued her
(02:08):
from the incident without knowing it. She was screaming in
the middle of the night. I ran through her room.
I thought literally that someone had broken and was attacking her,
and she was crouched in the corner. Just id never
you know, until you've seen somebody who felt like their
very life was that risk, you just don't know what
that feels like. I mean, she was horrified and the
(02:31):
way she kept, you know, pointing and shaking, saying the man,
the man. I'm like, oh, no, somebody's broken in. I'm
looking around checking doors, windows, and and she's like no,
you know, it was their first gasp. But she could
get was he disappeared when you opened the door. And
I'm like, well, you know, what did this guy look like?
And she was like blackness itself, but she could, you know,
(02:54):
distinguish different characteristics a suit, a trench coat, and a
flat gaucho type of hat. She even noticed he had
a goatee. And they all have hats, don't they, not
always George oddly enough, not always. Yeah, and you know
he changes a suit up. That's another. And sometimes I
(03:16):
think of these Abe Lincoln type top hats. Do they
have they have some of those? Right? Yes? Yes? And
you know this is a this is an interesting link
with the top hat form. I don't know that he
likes to change up, you know, his outfits, but he
seems to match the top hat more with a cape.
(03:36):
Do you think it's just one entity or many? That
is the newer element that I'm coming across as of late.
You know, every once in a while, i'd get it.
I have thousands of reports. By the way, you could
write ninety books based on just the reports. It's it's
(03:57):
through the roof, George, it's exploding. And that's the very,
very scary element of this is that it's not slowing down,
it's getting worse. Has anybody ever been physically hurt by
the hatman? Oh? Yeah, yeah, sadly enough, I've had many
people write to me about being picked up, thrown, and
(04:20):
this other element that's showing up as a not just
that he's choking people, because you know, the physical element
of him putting his hands around somebody's throat is one thing.
But now he's kind of he's kind of taken a
step back and he's appearing and people will feel a choke.
But see he's standing there with his hands to his side,
(04:42):
and I'm like, well, a different amount of respect of fear.
I don't I don't understand why that is. I mean,
he's uh, he's changing things up, and it's it's quite disturbing.
But another thing to mention. I've had several people write
me up on him not always being in black. Now
(05:03):
he's changing, hish his outfit. He really is a very
dark brown pinstriped pants. I mean, I thought, well, we'll
get the shadow people. But so the hat Man has
image to him. You can see things, right, it's not
just shadowy. He's not always shadowy. He can be and uh,
(05:27):
but you know, people can see his skin. And if
they see his skin, usually they'll see that it's either
solid black's not his either glowing red. He is the
hat Man the same as the shadow people. He's not
the same. He's not. Okay, that was that was a
mistake that I put early on and I called him
the hat man shadow. Yes, people still oh so I
(05:51):
saw the shadow man, you know, or the shadow person,
and then they'll describe the hat Man. I'm like, he's
a whole other ball game, you know, and wait, see
you you see what shadow people are in comparison. Thanks
for listening to the best of Coast to Coast podcast
become a Coast Insider to hear all of this fascinating conversation,
as well as recent shows about using genetics to slow
(06:13):
down the aging process Edgar Casey and the incredible Power
of the Mind and the legendary Phoenix Lights UFO incident.
Head out over to Coast to Coast a m dot
com and sign up for Coast Insider to start listening.
Now we're going to come back to all these I
want you to describe for us Slenderman, and Slenderman was
(06:34):
in the news some time ago for a tragedy. But
tell us who is slender Man. Well, slender Man is
actually a meme that was created by Eric Knutson June
test two thousand and nine. He was doing a photoshop
contest and where you had to manipulate a regular picture
(06:54):
to be as creepy as possible. And uh, he put
a caption that said, we didn't want to go we
didn't want to kill them. But it's persistent silence and
outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time.
So this guy is essentially he has no hair, he
does not wear a hat, but he's extremely tall, and
(07:17):
he wears a suit, and he's always seen as a
sort of guardian around children. But he's uh, he's been
very popular on the website called Creepy pasta who sees
him you're young children, young children, not adults, you know adults.
You know people that like sci fi fantasy horror stuff. Yeah,
(07:40):
they're they're into it. But this is really really popular
among preteens, especially like a cult thing. I think, you know,
I think that people like to be scared from the start.
I mean, I don't know about you, but Nancy Drew,
you know, hardy boys, uh, you know, goose bumps. Kids
like to be scared. And everybody's online and they're checking
(08:03):
things out, and I think this is just another form
of horror loving entertaining. Yeah, but it but it took
a serious tone in Wisconsin, didn't it did what happened? Yes?
And uh, this is this is really really disturbing to me.
So when I was finishing up my book on the
hat Man called The hat Man Um, I published that
(08:26):
book May twelve of the the attack of these two
twelve year olds, Anisa Weird and Morgan Geyser, attacked their
best friend, who was also twelve years old. I grew
up about twenty five minute drive from where this happened.
(08:49):
It was a stabbing case. It was at the stabbed
as poor girl, I believe nineteen times and she survived
a really really tough little kid. Uh. It what was
very disturbing to me just before I put this book
out and made himself known to me. Okay, so all
these years, he's never come at me. So wait a minute,
(09:12):
you're searching slender Man, You're putting out information in a
book about slender Man, and then the hat Man shows up.
I was putting a book together on the hat Man,
on the hat Man, and you know I have again,
I have thousands of reports of him over the years.
My emails turned from und percent shadow people. When I
(09:34):
put his image up it's like hat Man. Now, Uh,
this change is is actually I started off with alien
encounters and it's incredible the evolution of the emails and
the experience is going on out there. But yeah, this
this guy, this hat Man, he's in the ears of children,
(09:59):
and so as slender Man in this you know, made
up fantasy world that there. Would you say, Heidi, that
they're both evil entities or not? Oh? I sure would.
And you know, I can't help but to think that
the creator of slender Man may have actually experienced the
real guys Man and when he was a kid, when
(10:22):
he was a kid, maybe I believe so and you
know the interesting part about the slender man stabbing case
in Wisconsin. Uh with with Anissa. Anissa was interested in
the topic of creepy pasta in the website, and she
introduced Morgan, her friend who did the actual stabbing. Excuse me,
(10:42):
to the topic of slender Man. And when when Morgan
saw the image of slender Man, she said, oh my god,
I saw him when I was five years old, and
that she would see him in her dreams. Now, mind you,
Morgan has been diagnosed now as being schizophrenic. But it's
(11:04):
a I can't help but to think that some people
who have mental illness have indeed experienced more of the
paranormal world than a lot of people like to let on.
So yeah, So she said that she felt she was
being stalked by a slender man. I think she didn't know,
you know, about the real phenomena called the hat Man.
(11:24):
But she described very very similar accounts to what it
is that I get in the thousands and lumps and
emails of him telling her that she needed to kill
the hat Man will whisper into children's ears, tell him
that they need to kill, that they need to kill themselves,
(11:45):
or he's going to do it for them. Well, let's
see that that is pure evil, pure evils to go
to children of all things. You know, I'm an occupational
therapist and I had a student therapist underneath me, and uh,
she was only there for a brief amount of time,
and you know, everybody wants everyone so well asked me, hey,
(12:05):
what is it that you do? You write books on what?
And and I briefly told her about the hat man.
The look of horror on her face, She's like, I
saw him when I was a kid. I'm like, we
do tell And just so I was, I was probably
three years old. I saw a fork on the floor.
I knew I'm not supposed to play with forks. And
(12:26):
there was an outlet and I'm looking at the outlet.
I'm looking at the fork. I'm looking back and forth,
and she goes when all of a sudden, this very
tall man stands all the way down to her face
within an inch and looks at the fork and looks
at the outlet and says, go ahead, stick it in.
I mean to encourage a three year old to electric
(12:48):
to herself, a three year old, that's how low this
guy will go. And for people to think that you
know this may be a fantasy, just like the Menium Act.
You know, I say, if it's not, Will Smith, don't
open the door. Listen to more Coast to Coast a m.
Every weeknight at one a m. Eastern and go to
Coast to Coast am dot com for more
I've got Sleep Number beds in Los Angeles and St. Louis,
and I wish I could take one with me to hotels.
And did you know that getting quality sleep is as
important to a healthy lifestyle as a balanced diet and
regular exercise. And if you're not sleeping your best, it's
probably time to replace your mattress. At a Sleep number store,
you can see and feel how a Sleep number mattress
adjust to you for just the right comfort every night,
(00:22):
and with optional sleep i Q technology inside attracts your
sleep and gives you personal insights. You see how your
life affects your sleep and how your sleep affects your life.
My sleep number setting is ninety. My sleep i Q
score last night was a D two. So come into
a Sleep Number store to see and feel the difference.
Say four hundred dollars on their most popular P five
(00:43):
Queen mattress, and you'll only find sleep number at any
of the five hundred Sleep Number stores nationwide. Find one
nearest you by calling one eight hundred three nine zero hundred.
That's one eight hundred three nine zero nine hundred, and
be sure to tell them George Nori sent you. Now
here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on I
(01:03):
Heart Radio tonight. We're going to talk about the hat Man,
slender Man, shadow people. But I need you to tell
people about these individuals, these entities, and let's go through
each one. Let's start with the hat Man. What is
the hat Man? You know, I had made the mistake
(01:24):
early on. I'd introduced the shadow people topic on your
show many years ago, and I thought that the hat
man was another form that shadow people took, because shadow
people can come in any shape or form really, and
it could become a cloud of rodent um, somewhat of
a person looking thing. And it was myself in college
(01:45):
roommate who were experiencing these different beings. There was nothing
out there on the topic, and we put it up
online and there was one image that I put up there,
and it was of this man in a suit. I
personally had not experienced him at the time. It was
my college roommate who did. And I essentially rescued her
(02:08):
from the incident without knowing it. She was screaming in
the middle of the night. I ran through her room.
I thought literally that someone had broken and was attacking her,
and she was crouched in the corner. Just id never
you know, until you've seen somebody who felt like their
very life was that risk, you just don't know what
that feels like. I mean, she was horrified and the
(02:31):
way she kept, you know, pointing and shaking, saying the man,
the man. I'm like, oh, no, somebody's broken in. I'm
looking around checking doors, windows, and and she's like no,
you know, it was their first gasp. But she could
get was he disappeared when you opened the door. And
I'm like, well, you know, what did this guy look like?
And she was like blackness itself, but she could, you know,
(02:54):
distinguish different characteristics a suit, a trench coat, and a
flat gaucho type of hat. She even noticed he had
a goatee. And they all have hats, don't they, not
always George oddly enough, not always. Yeah, and you know
he changes a suit up. That's another. And sometimes I
(03:16):
think of these Abe Lincoln type top hats. Do they
have they have some of those? Right? Yes? Yes? And
you know this is a this is an interesting link
with the top hat form. I don't know that he
likes to change up, you know, his outfits, but he
seems to match the top hat more with a cape.
(03:36):
Do you think it's just one entity or many? That
is the newer element that I'm coming across as of late.
You know, every once in a while, i'd get it.
I have thousands of reports. By the way, you could
write ninety books based on just the reports. It's it's
(03:57):
through the roof, George, it's exploding. And that's the very,
very scary element of this is that it's not slowing down,
it's getting worse. Has anybody ever been physically hurt by
the hatman? Oh? Yeah, yeah, sadly enough, I've had many
people write to me about being picked up, thrown, and
(04:20):
this other element that's showing up as a not just
that he's choking people, because you know, the physical element
of him putting his hands around somebody's throat is one thing.
But now he's kind of he's kind of taken a
step back and he's appearing and people will feel a choke.
But see he's standing there with his hands to his side,
(04:42):
and I'm like, well, a different amount of respect of fear.
I don't I don't understand why that is. I mean,
he's uh, he's changing things up, and it's it's quite disturbing.
But another thing to mention. I've had several people write
me up on him not always being in black. Now
(05:03):
he's changing, hish his outfit. He really is a very
dark brown pinstriped pants. I mean, I thought, well, we'll
get the shadow people. But so the hat Man has
image to him. You can see things, right, it's not
just shadowy. He's not always shadowy. He can be and uh,
(05:27):
but you know, people can see his skin. And if
they see his skin, usually they'll see that it's either
solid black's not his either glowing red. He is the
hat Man the same as the shadow people. He's not
the same. He's not. Okay, that was that was a
mistake that I put early on and I called him
the hat man shadow. Yes, people still oh so I
(05:51):
saw the shadow man, you know, or the shadow person,
and then they'll describe the hat Man. I'm like, he's
a whole other ball game, you know, and wait, see
you you see what shadow people are in comparison. Thanks
for listening to the best of Coast to Coast podcast
become a Coast Insider to hear all of this fascinating conversation,
as well as recent shows about using genetics to slow
(06:13):
down the aging process Edgar Casey and the incredible Power
of the Mind and the legendary Phoenix Lights UFO incident.
Head out over to Coast to Coast a m dot
com and sign up for Coast Insider to start listening.
Now we're going to come back to all these I
want you to describe for us Slenderman, and Slenderman was
(06:34):
in the news some time ago for a tragedy. But
tell us who is slender Man. Well, slender Man is
actually a meme that was created by Eric Knutson June
test two thousand and nine. He was doing a photoshop
contest and where you had to manipulate a regular picture
(06:54):
to be as creepy as possible. And uh, he put
a caption that said, we didn't want to go we
didn't want to kill them. But it's persistent silence and
outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time.
So this guy is essentially he has no hair, he
does not wear a hat, but he's extremely tall, and
(07:17):
he wears a suit, and he's always seen as a
sort of guardian around children. But he's uh, he's been
very popular on the website called Creepy pasta who sees
him you're young children, young children, not adults, you know adults.
You know people that like sci fi fantasy horror stuff. Yeah,
(07:40):
they're they're into it. But this is really really popular
among preteens, especially like a cult thing. I think, you know,
I think that people like to be scared from the start.
I mean, I don't know about you, but Nancy Drew,
you know, hardy boys, uh, you know, goose bumps. Kids
like to be scared. And everybody's online and they're checking
(08:03):
things out, and I think this is just another form
of horror loving entertaining. Yeah, but it but it took
a serious tone in Wisconsin, didn't it did what happened? Yes?
And uh, this is this is really really disturbing to me.
So when I was finishing up my book on the
hat Man called The hat Man Um, I published that
(08:26):
book May twelve of the the attack of these two
twelve year olds, Anisa Weird and Morgan Geyser, attacked their
best friend, who was also twelve years old. I grew
up about twenty five minute drive from where this happened.
(08:49):
It was a stabbing case. It was at the stabbed
as poor girl, I believe nineteen times and she survived
a really really tough little kid. Uh. It what was
very disturbing to me just before I put this book
out and made himself known to me. Okay, so all
these years, he's never come at me. So wait a minute,
(09:12):
you're searching slender Man, You're putting out information in a
book about slender Man, and then the hat Man shows up.
I was putting a book together on the hat Man,
on the hat Man, and you know I have again,
I have thousands of reports of him over the years.
My emails turned from und percent shadow people. When I
(09:34):
put his image up it's like hat Man. Now, Uh,
this change is is actually I started off with alien
encounters and it's incredible the evolution of the emails and
the experience is going on out there. But yeah, this
this guy, this hat Man, he's in the ears of children,
(09:59):
and so as slender Man in this you know, made
up fantasy world that there. Would you say, Heidi, that
they're both evil entities or not? Oh? I sure would.
And you know, I can't help but to think that
the creator of slender Man may have actually experienced the
real guys Man and when he was a kid, when
(10:22):
he was a kid, maybe I believe so and you
know the interesting part about the slender man stabbing case
in Wisconsin. Uh with with Anissa. Anissa was interested in
the topic of creepy pasta in the website, and she
introduced Morgan, her friend who did the actual stabbing. Excuse me,
(10:42):
to the topic of slender Man. And when when Morgan
saw the image of slender Man, she said, oh my god,
I saw him when I was five years old, and
that she would see him in her dreams. Now, mind you,
Morgan has been diagnosed now as being schizophrenic. But it's
(11:04):
a I can't help but to think that some people
who have mental illness have indeed experienced more of the
paranormal world than a lot of people like to let on.
So yeah, So she said that she felt she was
being stalked by a slender man. I think she didn't know,
you know, about the real phenomena called the hat Man.
(11:24):
But she described very very similar accounts to what it
is that I get in the thousands and lumps and
emails of him telling her that she needed to kill
the hat Man will whisper into children's ears, tell him
that they need to kill, that they need to kill themselves,
(11:45):
or he's going to do it for them. Well, let's
see that that is pure evil, pure evils to go
to children of all things. You know, I'm an occupational
therapist and I had a student therapist underneath me, and uh,
she was only there for a brief amount of time,
and you know, everybody wants everyone so well asked me, hey,
(12:05):
what is it that you do? You write books on what?
And and I briefly told her about the hat man.
The look of horror on her face, She's like, I
saw him when I was a kid. I'm like, we
do tell And just so I was, I was probably
three years old. I saw a fork on the floor.
I knew I'm not supposed to play with forks. And
(12:26):
there was an outlet and I'm looking at the outlet.
I'm looking at the fork. I'm looking back and forth,
and she goes when all of a sudden, this very
tall man stands all the way down to her face
within an inch and looks at the fork and looks
at the outlet and says, go ahead, stick it in.
I mean to encourage a three year old to electric
(12:48):
to herself, a three year old, that's how low this
guy will go. And for people to think that you
know this may be a fantasy, just like the Menium Act.
You know, I say, if it's not, Will Smith, don't
open the door. Listen to more Coast to Coast a m.
Every weeknight at one a m. Eastern and go to
Coast to Coast am dot com for more
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