February 12, 2020 • 16 mins
George Noory and psychic medium Geoffrey Jowett explore his work dealing with the soul, how he gets messages from people who have already passed over, and ways that we can learn lessons in this life and the next through reincarnation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
What have you been up to though over the last year,
you know, teaching a lot of workshops, a lot of
new stuff. I've been helping people understand karma because I
think it's one of the most misunderstood laws. And empathic stuff.
So your previous guests were talking about empathic computer systems,
(00:23):
but I like to help people understand it, especially in
the healing arts, when they're dealing with other people's energy,
how they can learn to understand they don't need to
take that home with them. Now, that is so true,
so true. How did you get interested in this? Oh?
You know, my whole life so ever since as a
little boy, I was raised Catholic like you were, and
(00:47):
but I saw Jesus and Mary in a whole different light.
And I start talking to spirits at a young age.
And I was fortunate enough to grow up near lily Dale,
which is the national center for modern spiritualism in Western
New York. So while I was in high school, I
(01:07):
could go and talk to fellow mediums and so they
got me connected. And then when I moved to California
twelve years ago, I met James On Prague and he, oh,
great guys. Really encouraged me to step out of academia, says,
you know, you need to do this full time and
I'm like, nah, I don't know, man, but yeah, yeah,
he gave me that nice little push. So I've been
(01:29):
blessed with a lot of teachers along the way. But
it's a great life. I tell people I retired twelve
years ago and now I'm just joying my life. Man.
Prague's a super guy, isn't he. He is. He's very helpful. Yeah,
he really is. And I knew him from one the
show tool from Gaya, but I also have been to
(01:52):
a couple of his life presentations and he is so
good with the audience. Yeah he really is, Yeah, he
really does. He comes from a communications background, so yeah,
he knows what he's talking about. You have talked about
soul progression. What is that? So? Soul progression is a
term I've come up with and it's a different type
(02:13):
of reading. A lot of people are used to path
life progression. In a soul progression reading, I want to
help people understand what their life path is, and we
do that by looking at how their soul has progressed.
So a soul progression is taking a look at someone's
soul path where they came from, so they can understand
(02:33):
where they're at now and then perhaps that will give
them direction as to where to go from here. And
I like to use the archetypical patterns of the chakras
as stories that basically we follow on our life paths.
But it really is all about soul development, expansion of consciousness,
and there's a specific path toward enlightenment that your soul
(02:57):
is following according to the experience it has day to
day to day. It's a it's a progression, and that's
where I came up with a term and with soul progression,
this aspect of you know, the soul getting better and
better relative to growth and development of your soul. How
do you know that it's happening the Akashia records or
(03:19):
or or how do you know? So that's one way
to access it, but really, you know, you go back
to the Greeks, know thyself, and if you take self
reflection time and look at your own life path just
in this lifetime, you can see a natural progression um
as you as you reflect, So as a soul, you
(03:40):
come here with a soul agreement, and several people talk
about soul agreements, soul contracts. Um Louise Hay and Carolyn
Mace talk a lot about the soul agreements. But you
come here with a pre birth plan of ripe seed karma,
(04:01):
karma that you created in past life that you want
to overcome. And what I've been able to do since
I was a young boys, I can sense the color
of people's uric fields and I relate them to the chakras,
and that then relates to the archetypical patterns of the chakras,
and that held their story because your energy field around
you tells your whole story. Believe, your thoughts, your emotions,
(04:25):
your whole karma history is there, and so to be
aware of it and understand it so that you can,
you know, move forward and move out of it. We're
all explore our souls are explorers by nature, and you know,
the complacency is one of the great um things that
(04:46):
hold us back, and it's important that we don't get stuck.
That we're constantly searching outside. Your program is a great
example where you're constantly taking new ideas and new concepts,
and you know, throwing them out there for people to
really think about. And that's important because in order to
expand consciousness and the awareness of ourselves, you know, we
(05:10):
want to have an exposure to different ideas, different experiences.
While then there's no question it does make you think,
doesn't it. Oh, absolutely seeing, And for you you have
a lot of dark blue, like I saw you from
Afar at the contact in the desert last year, but
you have a lot of dark blue. So in your history,
(05:32):
what's important for you is getting rid of the analytical
mind and embracing the intuitive. It's third eye stuff and
the communication aspect of it. So if you look at
your life path and how you were as a young
child and then as a young man, you'll probably see
a natural progression that you've wanted to perpetuate truth and understanding.
(05:55):
And it's about trusting your own inner feelings while you're
doing that, and you would have picked arrants for example,
that probably come from a stronger traditional background. And then
part of that is to find your way out of
that so that you can find your own voice and
have the ability to create it. So you just look
at the relationships you have, because relationships are such great
(06:18):
ways That's why stories are all about relationships, because your
relationships aren't showing you, first of all, what where you
need to go and what you need to learn. And
you know just by how you feel toward other people,
because they're just showing you yourself. Absolutely, and you've talked
to you about your soul agreement, which is almost like
(06:39):
a soul contract, in an agreement between yourself. Right, yeah, absolutely,
And that's the key is you through your higher consciousness.
Your soul makes an agreement when it comes here that
I want to work on certain things. And then what
it does is it too. This is a costume, and
(07:01):
you can think of your body as a costume like Halloween.
Our halloween costumes have different personalities. Well, the body you
choose to wear has that personality that makes it more
likely for you to get involved in what that is
around that agreement. For example, if it's speaking your truth,
then you might pick a body personality that's very soft
(07:21):
spoken so that you can try to work through it.
And then you pick your parents, you pick specific relationships,
and then certain talents and skills. Rudolf Steiner has written
a lot of really great essays back in the day
about the talents and skills and knowledge that the spirit
brings with it to the earth plane to work with.
(07:45):
And then you, as you're here, you create new kara
seed karma. It's what you sow, you reap. And but yeah,
you definitely come with an agreement and see the agreements
with your higher self, and whether you get it or
not in this lifetime, there's no judgment. But when you
end this life and your spirit returns back to the
spirit plane, it brings it with it the wisdom and
(08:08):
knowledge of this life experience. But then it will process
and say, Okay, maybe i didn't get it this time,
so now I'm going to set up a different set
of circumstances. So we get to be like the producer,
the director, and the writer of our own little plays,
and we come down here have little dramas, and it's
through those dramas that we really get to know and
understand ourselves, because this truly is the emotional plane, and
(08:31):
that's why it's a spirit. Many times people ask me, like,
why why does a spirit even bother coming here? But
they can observe, and they do observe us. But to
actually come down, we're very brave to do that. But
to come here and take physical form and experience those emotions.
That's really important in our understanding and expansion of our
(08:52):
awareness and consciousness. Is there a difference between soul and
spirit or are they one and the same. Yeah, so
where it's a use anonymously many times, but I like
to clarify in my last book, I did this to
help people understand. See, I see soul as the all
inclusive I am presence. It's that aspect of yourself. It's
it's the source, the God, the divine, and it's a
(09:16):
holograph where all peace of God. And when you're when
you incarnate, a small part of your soul comes in
the form of spirit, and your spirit then comes and
it's the it's the little a pioneer that comes here
and has the adventure, and then it returns back to
the soul and brings back the wisdom and knowledge. And again,
(09:39):
analogy I like to use is if you think of
your soul as the ocean, and your spirit would be
like taking a glass of water out of that ocean.
It has all the aspects of the ocean, but just
a small piece of it's going to come and have
the experience. And then when we see it as death
of the physical body. That water then returns to the ocean,
but it comes with the energy and the vibrations of
(10:01):
that life experience. Interesting take on all of that. And
since you've been doing this, have you found that most
people are being able to pick up on this or
are they still a little distant from you know, the
great question, George, What I'm finding more and more often,
(10:21):
which it really truly surprises me because even very skeptical
people and very scientific people. I come from a science background,
but talking to friends in there, they do have these
um aha moments, these premonitions of oh, I knew, I know,
I've known that person before, Or they'll go to a
certain city and say, you know, I know I've been
(10:43):
here before, and there is a memory that comes with it.
And it just seems to become more and more prevalent.
And because programs like this and so many you know,
great journals out there now and television shows, people are
talking about it more. So we're putting more energy behind it,
so there's a greater awareness and people feel safer, you know,
(11:04):
explaining their their experiences. But I'm sure there's not a
listener out there that hasn't had a moment where they
know they have a knowing of you know, a person,
place or thing and that there's a there's a memory
with that spirit that comes from the soul. Well, there's
no question about that. And uh, you know when you
(11:27):
work with your clients, are you trying to make them
understand this a little bit better? What? What's what happens
with them? Yeah? So you know, I spent twenty years
as a college teacher, and I'm I'm passionate about teaching.
Now I get to pick the subject though, that I'm
really passionate about. And what greater way to help a
person understand than their life path? And it's not about
(11:50):
should I date this person or should I, you know,
work at this company versus that company. When I read
people and I and I present information and I'm getting
a lot of this type of information through my higher self,
I'm presenting ways and means to understand why are you here?
What was your sole agreement? And is the relationship or
(12:13):
the job can gruin with that? Is it going to
complement the agreement or does it go against it? And
we know when we're in resistance. Resistance is that that
place of anxiety, a worry of stress, it's easy to
sense when we're there. And what's important is, you know,
to get out of it. And that's that's why it's
(12:34):
so important to really take time to reflect daily on
the choices you're making, because if you're in the flow
of things, everything it's magical, and if you're resisting, it's
going to be heavy and suffering. Yeah, it really is,
(12:54):
and suffering in a big way too. It's more like
anxiety too, isn't it. Oh yeah, And when you think
about all the you know, now psychology has expanded so much,
but all the diseases of the mind they're coming up
with and diagnosing, and even like learning disabilities we're seeing
and so forth. I don't like the word disability because
(13:15):
I think, again, we all have unique ways to perceive
and understand ourselves and the world we're in, and if
it doesn't fit in the model, we see it as
being abnormal. But you know, people like me as a kid,
felt so abnormal because I saw colors around people and
I never understood why people couldn't see them, And when
(13:36):
I draw them or color them like people, my teachers
would be like, what are you doing? And yeah, So
it's it's that to me is the more interesting person
is how they're if they're perceiving, if they're communicating in
a different way. And there's just so many different levels
of intelligence. One of my favorite subjects to teach I
taught anatomy was about the brain and how intelligence work.
(13:59):
And I had the fortunate experience to work with at
an art and design school. So these students felt many
times inferior to the average college student because they didn't
have the same analytical ability, but their intelligence was amazing
as far as you know creativity, self expression, spatial expansion,
(14:20):
body awareness and movement and so forth. So there's there's
just so many different types of intelligence, and a sole
agreement helps a person understand so that they understand they
know they already know, like if that's what's beautiful, it's
holding a mirror to them, but getting them to understand
too when they're in things that are resisting their ability
(14:42):
to move forward. Again, the choice is always theirs. But
it's important that they find themselves. And that's really what
we do when we come here. As we find ourselves.
It's it's a game of height and seek with ourselves. Jeff,
where does reincarnation fit into this? So reincarnation is a
really important tool really or meta aism to allow us
to work through karma. So, you know the belief in
(15:05):
many cultures that many, many, many cultures for you know,
thousands of years have believed in different forms of reincarnation.
But the idea is is that after you have a
life experience and you create karma, you go back to
the spiritual realm and you have a life review. And
Michael Newton wrote a couple of really books, Destiny of
(15:26):
the Souls and so forth, where he did a lot
of self hypnosis and he looked at when people would
go to the other side and what I do mediumship readings,
and I'm talking to loved ones on the other side.
They'll often share in the reading what they've learned about
their lifetime and it's an opportunity to share it encouragement forgiveness. Again,
(15:50):
because they're from the same full family, they have very
relevant information for the person receiving the reading, so that
they can have a great understanding now that they're out
of body of that life. And then what they do
is they come up with a new plan. Okay, and
you know, in this past life, I wasn't able to
really stand up for myself, so let me create such
(16:11):
circumstances for a new life, so reincarnation. It's like we're
actors and actresses. We get to play a number of
different parts. But by playing those different parts, we get
to experience life from many perspectives. You know, different cultures,
different societies, different time periods, and it allows us to
(16:31):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
What have you been up to though over the last year,
you know, teaching a lot of workshops, a lot of
new stuff. I've been helping people understand karma because I
think it's one of the most misunderstood laws. And empathic stuff.
So your previous guests were talking about empathic computer systems,
(00:23):
but I like to help people understand it, especially in
the healing arts, when they're dealing with other people's energy,
how they can learn to understand they don't need to
take that home with them. Now, that is so true,
so true. How did you get interested in this? Oh?
You know, my whole life so ever since as a
little boy, I was raised Catholic like you were, and
(00:47):
but I saw Jesus and Mary in a whole different light.
And I start talking to spirits at a young age.
And I was fortunate enough to grow up near lily Dale,
which is the national center for modern spiritualism in Western
New York. So while I was in high school, I
(01:07):
could go and talk to fellow mediums and so they
got me connected. And then when I moved to California
twelve years ago, I met James On Prague and he, oh,
great guys. Really encouraged me to step out of academia, says,
you know, you need to do this full time and
I'm like, nah, I don't know, man, but yeah, yeah,
he gave me that nice little push. So I've been
(01:29):
blessed with a lot of teachers along the way. But
it's a great life. I tell people I retired twelve
years ago and now I'm just joying my life. Man.
Prague's a super guy, isn't he. He is. He's very helpful. Yeah,
he really is. And I knew him from one the
show tool from Gaya, but I also have been to
(01:52):
a couple of his life presentations and he is so
good with the audience. Yeah he really is, Yeah, he
really does. He comes from a communications background, so yeah,
he knows what he's talking about. You have talked about
soul progression. What is that? So? Soul progression is a
term I've come up with and it's a different type
(02:13):
of reading. A lot of people are used to path
life progression. In a soul progression reading, I want to
help people understand what their life path is, and we
do that by looking at how their soul has progressed.
So a soul progression is taking a look at someone's
soul path where they came from, so they can understand
(02:33):
where they're at now and then perhaps that will give
them direction as to where to go from here. And
I like to use the archetypical patterns of the chakras
as stories that basically we follow on our life paths.
But it really is all about soul development, expansion of consciousness,
and there's a specific path toward enlightenment that your soul
(02:57):
is following according to the experience it has day to
day to day. It's a it's a progression, and that's
where I came up with a term and with soul progression,
this aspect of you know, the soul getting better and
better relative to growth and development of your soul. How
do you know that it's happening the Akashia records or
(03:19):
or or how do you know? So that's one way
to access it, but really, you know, you go back
to the Greeks, know thyself, and if you take self
reflection time and look at your own life path just
in this lifetime, you can see a natural progression um
as you as you reflect, So as a soul, you
(03:40):
come here with a soul agreement, and several people talk
about soul agreements, soul contracts. Um Louise Hay and Carolyn
Mace talk a lot about the soul agreements. But you
come here with a pre birth plan of ripe seed karma,
(04:01):
karma that you created in past life that you want
to overcome. And what I've been able to do since
I was a young boys, I can sense the color
of people's uric fields and I relate them to the chakras,
and that then relates to the archetypical patterns of the chakras,
and that held their story because your energy field around
you tells your whole story. Believe, your thoughts, your emotions,
(04:25):
your whole karma history is there, and so to be
aware of it and understand it so that you can,
you know, move forward and move out of it. We're
all explore our souls are explorers by nature, and you know,
the complacency is one of the great um things that
(04:46):
hold us back, and it's important that we don't get stuck.
That we're constantly searching outside. Your program is a great
example where you're constantly taking new ideas and new concepts,
and you know, throwing them out there for people to
really think about. And that's important because in order to
expand consciousness and the awareness of ourselves, you know, we
(05:10):
want to have an exposure to different ideas, different experiences.
While then there's no question it does make you think,
doesn't it. Oh, absolutely seeing, And for you you have
a lot of dark blue, like I saw you from
Afar at the contact in the desert last year, but
you have a lot of dark blue. So in your history,
(05:32):
what's important for you is getting rid of the analytical
mind and embracing the intuitive. It's third eye stuff and
the communication aspect of it. So if you look at
your life path and how you were as a young
child and then as a young man, you'll probably see
a natural progression that you've wanted to perpetuate truth and understanding.
(05:55):
And it's about trusting your own inner feelings while you're
doing that, and you would have picked arrants for example,
that probably come from a stronger traditional background. And then
part of that is to find your way out of
that so that you can find your own voice and
have the ability to create it. So you just look
at the relationships you have, because relationships are such great
(06:18):
ways That's why stories are all about relationships, because your
relationships aren't showing you, first of all, what where you
need to go and what you need to learn. And
you know just by how you feel toward other people,
because they're just showing you yourself. Absolutely, and you've talked
to you about your soul agreement, which is almost like
(06:39):
a soul contract, in an agreement between yourself. Right, yeah, absolutely,
And that's the key is you through your higher consciousness.
Your soul makes an agreement when it comes here that
I want to work on certain things. And then what
it does is it too. This is a costume, and
(07:01):
you can think of your body as a costume like Halloween.
Our halloween costumes have different personalities. Well, the body you
choose to wear has that personality that makes it more
likely for you to get involved in what that is
around that agreement. For example, if it's speaking your truth,
then you might pick a body personality that's very soft
(07:21):
spoken so that you can try to work through it.
And then you pick your parents, you pick specific relationships,
and then certain talents and skills. Rudolf Steiner has written
a lot of really great essays back in the day
about the talents and skills and knowledge that the spirit
brings with it to the earth plane to work with.
(07:45):
And then you, as you're here, you create new kara
seed karma. It's what you sow, you reap. And but yeah,
you definitely come with an agreement and see the agreements
with your higher self, and whether you get it or
not in this lifetime, there's no judgment. But when you
end this life and your spirit returns back to the
spirit plane, it brings it with it the wisdom and
(08:08):
knowledge of this life experience. But then it will process
and say, Okay, maybe i didn't get it this time,
so now I'm going to set up a different set
of circumstances. So we get to be like the producer,
the director, and the writer of our own little plays,
and we come down here have little dramas, and it's
through those dramas that we really get to know and
understand ourselves, because this truly is the emotional plane, and
(08:31):
that's why it's a spirit. Many times people ask me, like,
why why does a spirit even bother coming here? But
they can observe, and they do observe us. But to
actually come down, we're very brave to do that. But
to come here and take physical form and experience those emotions.
That's really important in our understanding and expansion of our
(08:52):
awareness and consciousness. Is there a difference between soul and
spirit or are they one and the same. Yeah, so
where it's a use anonymously many times, but I like
to clarify in my last book, I did this to
help people understand. See, I see soul as the all
inclusive I am presence. It's that aspect of yourself. It's
it's the source, the God, the divine, and it's a
(09:16):
holograph where all peace of God. And when you're when
you incarnate, a small part of your soul comes in
the form of spirit, and your spirit then comes and
it's the it's the little a pioneer that comes here
and has the adventure, and then it returns back to
the soul and brings back the wisdom and knowledge. And again,
(09:39):
analogy I like to use is if you think of
your soul as the ocean, and your spirit would be
like taking a glass of water out of that ocean.
It has all the aspects of the ocean, but just
a small piece of it's going to come and have
the experience. And then when we see it as death
of the physical body. That water then returns to the ocean,
but it comes with the energy and the vibrations of
(10:01):
that life experience. Interesting take on all of that. And
since you've been doing this, have you found that most
people are being able to pick up on this or
are they still a little distant from you know, the
great question, George, What I'm finding more and more often,
(10:21):
which it really truly surprises me because even very skeptical
people and very scientific people. I come from a science background,
but talking to friends in there, they do have these
um aha moments, these premonitions of oh, I knew, I know,
I've known that person before, Or they'll go to a
certain city and say, you know, I know I've been
(10:43):
here before, and there is a memory that comes with it.
And it just seems to become more and more prevalent.
And because programs like this and so many you know,
great journals out there now and television shows, people are
talking about it more. So we're putting more energy behind it,
so there's a greater awareness and people feel safer, you know,
(11:04):
explaining their their experiences. But I'm sure there's not a
listener out there that hasn't had a moment where they
know they have a knowing of you know, a person,
place or thing and that there's a there's a memory
with that spirit that comes from the soul. Well, there's
no question about that. And uh, you know when you
(11:27):
work with your clients, are you trying to make them
understand this a little bit better? What? What's what happens
with them? Yeah? So you know, I spent twenty years
as a college teacher, and I'm I'm passionate about teaching.
Now I get to pick the subject though, that I'm
really passionate about. And what greater way to help a
person understand than their life path? And it's not about
(11:50):
should I date this person or should I, you know,
work at this company versus that company. When I read
people and I and I present information and I'm getting
a lot of this type of information through my higher self,
I'm presenting ways and means to understand why are you here?
What was your sole agreement? And is the relationship or
(12:13):
the job can gruin with that? Is it going to
complement the agreement or does it go against it? And
we know when we're in resistance. Resistance is that that
place of anxiety, a worry of stress, it's easy to
sense when we're there. And what's important is, you know,
to get out of it. And that's that's why it's
(12:34):
so important to really take time to reflect daily on
the choices you're making, because if you're in the flow
of things, everything it's magical, and if you're resisting, it's
going to be heavy and suffering. Yeah, it really is,
(12:54):
and suffering in a big way too. It's more like
anxiety too, isn't it. Oh yeah, And when you think
about all the you know, now psychology has expanded so much,
but all the diseases of the mind they're coming up
with and diagnosing, and even like learning disabilities we're seeing
and so forth. I don't like the word disability because
(13:15):
I think, again, we all have unique ways to perceive
and understand ourselves and the world we're in, and if
it doesn't fit in the model, we see it as
being abnormal. But you know, people like me as a kid,
felt so abnormal because I saw colors around people and
I never understood why people couldn't see them, And when
(13:36):
I draw them or color them like people, my teachers
would be like, what are you doing? And yeah, So
it's it's that to me is the more interesting person
is how they're if they're perceiving, if they're communicating in
a different way. And there's just so many different levels
of intelligence. One of my favorite subjects to teach I
taught anatomy was about the brain and how intelligence work.
(13:59):
And I had the fortunate experience to work with at
an art and design school. So these students felt many
times inferior to the average college student because they didn't
have the same analytical ability, but their intelligence was amazing
as far as you know creativity, self expression, spatial expansion,
(14:20):
body awareness and movement and so forth. So there's there's
just so many different types of intelligence, and a sole
agreement helps a person understand so that they understand they
know they already know, like if that's what's beautiful, it's
holding a mirror to them, but getting them to understand
too when they're in things that are resisting their ability
(14:42):
to move forward. Again, the choice is always theirs. But
it's important that they find themselves. And that's really what
we do when we come here. As we find ourselves.
It's it's a game of height and seek with ourselves. Jeff,
where does reincarnation fit into this? So reincarnation is a
really important tool really or meta aism to allow us
to work through karma. So, you know the belief in
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many cultures that many, many, many cultures for you know,
thousands of years have believed in different forms of reincarnation.
But the idea is is that after you have a
life experience and you create karma, you go back to
the spiritual realm and you have a life review. And
Michael Newton wrote a couple of really books, Destiny of
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the Souls and so forth, where he did a lot
of self hypnosis and he looked at when people would
go to the other side and what I do mediumship readings,
and I'm talking to loved ones on the other side.
They'll often share in the reading what they've learned about
their lifetime and it's an opportunity to share it encouragement forgiveness. Again,
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because they're from the same full family, they have very
relevant information for the person receiving the reading, so that
they can have a great understanding now that they're out
of body of that life. And then what they do
is they come up with a new plan. Okay, and
you know, in this past life, I wasn't able to
really stand up for myself, so let me create such
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circumstances for a new life, so reincarnation. It's like we're
actors and actresses. We get to play a number of
different parts. But by playing those different parts, we get
to experience life from many perspectives. You know, different cultures,
different societies, different time periods, and it allows us to
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