June 18, 2020 • 17 mins
George Noory and psychic Hollister Rand explore her work as a medium talking to the spirits of the deceased, her theories on what the after life is like, and whether there is a heaven or hell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast Hollister
ran back with us. An internationally renowned medium, author and speaker.
She provides specific messages from loved ones and spirit and
feeling heart and grace. She'll be doing that for you
next hour when we take calls, if you so call wanted.
(00:21):
Hollister can see and hear spirits as well as get
a sense of their personalities and emotions. During the last
twenty five plus years, her unique abilities have provided comfort
in healing to tens of thousands of people worldwide. Hollister,
welcome back. I can't think of a better time to
have you well. Thank you And who knew that releasing
a book about the afterlife in the middle of a
(00:43):
pandemic would be helpful to so many people? Oh, it
really is. To be sure, how long have you been
doing this? I mean, was this a little girl thing
that started for you? Yeah? It was. I saw spirits
in my room at night, spirits I recognized, and then
also began to see spirits I didn't recognize. So there
was kind of a stranger danger thing. And then did
(01:05):
my best to shut it down for a number of years.
So when I finally woke up again and began to
invite spirits into my life in a helpful way, then
everything changed. A lot of people, of course, have had
loved ones die and they are not there for whatever reason.
They live out of town or something happens. That happened
(01:27):
with me when my father passed several years ago. He
had taken a fall and went pretty quickly, and by
the time I was able to regroup, he was gone.
What does that mean if you're not able to say
goodbye to a loved one. Well, the good news is
that it doesn't mean often what we think it does.
(01:48):
It doesn't mean that the person chose to go, like
didn't hang on till you could get there. It also
doesn't mean the person died alone, that there wasn't anyone else.
There's a great fear we have, especially now with covid A,
many people are passing without their loved ones with them
by their bedside. But those in spirit, loved ones in
(02:11):
spirit who have gone before are with those people. So
just so you know, they're well taken care of. And
then it's my job as a medium to put people
like you in touch with their loved ones. Interesting, now,
since this has been happening for you, was there that
one episode Hollister that changed your whole life? I would
(02:33):
say it was a series of things, not necessarily one thing,
so evidence after evidence after evidence. But what I would
say is what has affected me personally are the deaths
of those I love. And the one that probably is
the most important to me personally is my cousin Tommy
(02:54):
killing himself when he was nineteen years old. That I
think really changed my life. And then I had another friend.
I had a friend who died of AIDS related illness
alone in his apartment, and I thought to myself, I
have to be there for the spirits, and I have
to be there for people left behind. Oh that's pretty good.
(03:18):
And you have helped so many people? Oh my gosh,
how many would you say? By now? Well? I wrote
in my book something like, well, you know, I've spoken
to millions of spirits. And the editor came back and said,
are you sure that that could possibly be accurate? And
I started sitting in my head sort of Okay, well,
I've done this many events last year and I spoke
(03:39):
to this many, you know, And I started adding up.
I really do think it's you know, millions, George, at
this point, millions of spirits, not necessarily people here. That's
still a lot of spirits, a lot of spirits. Yeah,
because everybody I see comes with an entourage. You know,
none of us is alone. And when people meet me
(04:03):
and you come to an event, or speak with me
on the phone or do a zoom thing, they come
with a network of their spirits, their ancestors, those they
know and those they don't. The afterlife, of course, has
been something that has puzzled all of us. A lot
of people ask me, George, do you believe in an afterlife?
(04:23):
And I said, yeah, I do. Well, what's it like?
I said, well, first of all, when you die, you'll
find out. And then they say, but what if there
isn't an afterlife? And I said, well, then you don't
have to worry about it. You won't you're done. How
do you describe the afterlife to people? Homish? Well, I
have to laugh because you just asked the first couple
of questions in the book. The first question in the
(04:45):
book is is there really an afterlife? And that was
asked on a cruise with a bunch of metaphysical people
doing workshops, so I figured they had settled that question
for themselves, but apparently not. And then once we talk
about afterlife, the next question is what is it like?
And I say, it depends to whom you're speaking. Each
(05:08):
spirit will give me a different slavor of the afterlife. Now,
there are some things that remain the same. It's a
place of instantaneous creation with thought. There's tremendous life. There
are different frequencies. We can be with those that we love.
We don't have to worry about missing our loved ones.
So there are a lot of similarities, but the flavors
(05:30):
are different. I've spoken with people who are barbecuing, playing cards,
meeting up with lost loves so and with their pets.
By the way, So you know, it depends with whom
you're speaking. Knowledgeer does now is there a hell? Well?
I would say that if you gather up everybody who
wished other people ill, or killed people or were mass murderers,
(05:55):
and you put them all in a space and hung
a sign which said hello, writ well, maybe that's hell.
Maybe it is. Then does that mean the may or
may not be a devil? That? I don't know for sure,
but I used to be very involved with Christianity, and
(06:15):
I was a Christian singer, and I came in contact
with a lot of darker forces. So I didn't see
an entity with a forked tail and horns, but I
certainly saw a lot of evil. What's I'd like to
be a Christian singer? What kind of songs did you sing? Well?
(06:35):
One of the last songs that because I used to
write the music as well, And one of the last
songs the chorus was this, you are the God of
the unexpected, the daily miracle kind, forgive me for trying
to contain you within the confines of my mind. And
(06:58):
I think that was one of the last Christian songs
as I wrote primarily because I was understanding that God
is much bigger than we can really imagine. Yeah, well,
you know there's a link between creativity and music and spirits,
and I discovered that. So here I am a Christian
musing a musician, singing in a church with a band
(07:20):
called Evidence Ministries, and I look out and I start
seeing people's spirits next to them. Whoa yeah, So that
was a bit of a surprise for me. They were
they dancing with the next next to them? Or what
were they doing well. They were appearing and disappearing, and
there wasn't a lot of dancing. The music that I
was doing was very meditatives at that point, and I was,
(07:43):
you know, just sort of going with the flow. And
afterwards I stepped up to a young woman and I said,
you know, um, your your grandmother knows about your rape
and m and she needs you to know that that
you're okay, that this isn't because of anything you have done.
(08:07):
And she looked at me and she said, how do
you know that I haven't told anybody? The Wow? Was
she angry and yes, and a horror in her face.
And I realized, oh, wait a minute, maybe not everybody
is open to this. And I would say it was
soon thereafter that I packed my bags and moved to California.
Really yeah, yeah, which I thought might be a little
(08:32):
bit more open to this idea of the spirits. And
I wasn't wrong, by the way. How do you communicate
with the spirit world? I mean, did they come to you?
Do you go to them? I mean, who who opens
up the door first? Well, it's a cooperative thing. We
both opened the door and I've set very clear boundaries
(08:53):
around the work. I am very present in my body
when I do the work. That's how the spirits find me.
You know, I don't fly around trying to meet them somewhere.
They know where to find me, and the only reason
that they find me is because they want to communicate
with their loved ones who have contacted me. You know,
this doesn't happen because I want it to. In fact,
(09:15):
it doesn't even happen because the people who call me
want it to. It happens because the spirits want to
make the connection. So it is important for them to
let those they love well and to correct the record.
In some cases, we will often believe something in error
around someone's life or death, especially in cases of suicide,
(09:36):
and they want to correct the record. Are you a
walk in or a channeler? I mean, do the spirits
sometimes take over your body to communicate with people. Well,
that indeed has happened, but under very very controlled circumstances.
I like to drive my own car, you know, I
like and I'm a little bit of a control freak.
If the truth be known, no, not you What's And
(10:00):
maybe maybe that's because I'm not willing to be a
full trance medium. So when I've done it, it's been
the last time I did it was in England, as
a matter of fact, with some English mediums who were
very well schooled, you know, knew how to do all
of this, and I felt very safe and protected. But
for the most part, I am connecting at the mental
(10:23):
and the heart level with the spirits. I can see them,
and I communicate with them in the ways that they
choose to show themselves. That's an interesting way. I mean,
in the fact that you're able to do this, can
you do it at will? Yes? Well, I wouldn't say
it's will. I would say it's willingness, A willingness to
(10:47):
be of service, That's what I would say. And being
open and available without judgment. And that's really important. So
I don't come with preconceived notions as to how things
are going to go. I allow the spirits to speak
for themselves. How would you describe the spirit world? What
(11:09):
do you think it is? I think it is. And
when I spoke with the spirits about is there really
an afterlife? As I said this was asked in the
middle of a metaphysical group of people, I thought, boy,
this is really kind of strange. But as I looked
out and saw all of their loved one standing next
(11:33):
to them. I paused and I wanted to listen. I
wanted to hear what did they say about an afterlife?
Is there really an afterlife? And the answer they gave
me was simply this. There isn't an afterlife. There is
only life. So what I would say is what is
(11:55):
the afterlife? It is life. It's an extension of life.
It is a way of being and living and connecting
without a physical body. But our essence is the same.
We remember who we love and we remember who we are.
(12:16):
Good point. Do the spirits have emotion? Yes, but it's
not quite what we think. Now. This is where I'd
like to differentiate between ghosts and spirits. I make that differentiation.
A lot of people do not, But I think of
ghosts as spirits with a bad attitude. And so when
(12:40):
I meet a ghost and I used to do some ghostbusting,
they often had an axe to grind. We're irritated, angry,
there was an injustice. There was there was They just
had a bone to pick with creation, and so there
was often a lot of anger and that kind of
low were emotion. But when I'm speaking with spirits in love,
(13:05):
it goes beyond the emotions that come and go every day,
you know, feelings, you know that kind of thing. It
goes beyond that into a space of frequency, vibration, oneness,
So it moves less into emotions that separate us and
more into vibrations and frequencies that bind us together. Where
(13:29):
with the Hollister Rand we're talking about, the spirit world
will take calls with her next hour. Do spirits hear us? Absolutely?
They do, absolutely, and you don't have to shout at them,
so you don't have to stand I remember I had
a client come to me and her husband repeated back
(13:53):
to her what she had been saying to him, and
she had been shouting at him to take care of
their son who was dealing with had trouble with drugs,
and she was screaming it. She thought that her neighbors
might think she was crazy, because she seemed to think
the louder she yelled, the more he would hear her.
(14:14):
The truth is, you can just think about a loved
one in spirit. You can think I love you, and
they hear you. And that's a good thing. I would assume,
yes it is. And it also helps the neighbors not
to think you're nuts. That's true. Well, sometimes I see
people talking to themselves only to realize they've got a
(14:37):
little ear plug in and there you got their smartphone. Yeah. Well,
I'm used to talking with people I can't see, and
I'm also used to people thinking I'm crazy in anything
but normal. So there you have it. People are not
in a rush to get to the other side. But
is it a place of bliss? It can be. I
don't think that's the case for everyone. When we pass,
(15:00):
we have an opportunity to experience our lives from the
viewpoint of all of those we've loved and all of
those we've wounded. So it isn't this lovely little highlight
reel of all the wonderful moments in life. It also
includes the times we slighted people hurt other people, maybe
(15:23):
without even realizing it, and coming to terms with that.
Thank goodness, you can do that at the frequency of love,
because otherwise it would be a very painful experience. And
since you've been doing this, Hollister, you've been doing it
for a number of years. There are a lot of
mediums out there, and they all have different techniques to
(15:43):
reach the other side. But why are there some that
just can't do it. It just doesn't work for them. Well,
sometimes it doesn't work, and that can be for a
number of reasons. Fortunately it happens more often than not.
But there are rules that run all of this business.
(16:07):
We can't make it happen. So there are three cooperative
components here. The medium who does the best they can
and schools and trains themselves. The sitter, who can be
open and ready and willing and able and not necessarily
expecting things to show up in a certain way. I
(16:28):
want my father's license plate number, said a man who
came to me. Well, I asked him if he could
give me his license plate number, and he couldn't, And
I said, okay, So you expect your father to remember
his license plate number and you don't know your own.
So people can come with expectations that would be difficult
to meet. And then there's also the spirit who may
(16:50):
choose to communicate in a certain way, or maybe it's
just not the right time. Listen to more Coast to
Coast am every weeknight at one am Eastern To go
to Coast to coastam dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast Hollister
ran back with us. An internationally renowned medium, author and speaker.
She provides specific messages from loved ones and spirit and
feeling heart and grace. She'll be doing that for you
next hour when we take calls, if you so call wanted.
(00:21):
Hollister can see and hear spirits as well as get
a sense of their personalities and emotions. During the last
twenty five plus years, her unique abilities have provided comfort
in healing to tens of thousands of people worldwide. Hollister,
welcome back. I can't think of a better time to
have you well. Thank you And who knew that releasing
a book about the afterlife in the middle of a
(00:43):
pandemic would be helpful to so many people? Oh, it
really is. To be sure, how long have you been
doing this? I mean, was this a little girl thing
that started for you? Yeah? It was. I saw spirits
in my room at night, spirits I recognized, and then
also began to see spirits I didn't recognize. So there
was kind of a stranger danger thing. And then did
(01:05):
my best to shut it down for a number of years.
So when I finally woke up again and began to
invite spirits into my life in a helpful way, then
everything changed. A lot of people, of course, have had
loved ones die and they are not there for whatever reason.
They live out of town or something happens. That happened
(01:27):
with me when my father passed several years ago. He
had taken a fall and went pretty quickly, and by
the time I was able to regroup, he was gone.
What does that mean if you're not able to say
goodbye to a loved one. Well, the good news is
that it doesn't mean often what we think it does.
(01:48):
It doesn't mean that the person chose to go, like
didn't hang on till you could get there. It also
doesn't mean the person died alone, that there wasn't anyone else.
There's a great fear we have, especially now with covid A,
many people are passing without their loved ones with them
by their bedside. But those in spirit, loved ones in
(02:11):
spirit who have gone before are with those people. So
just so you know, they're well taken care of. And
then it's my job as a medium to put people
like you in touch with their loved ones. Interesting, now,
since this has been happening for you, was there that
one episode Hollister that changed your whole life? I would
(02:33):
say it was a series of things, not necessarily one thing,
so evidence after evidence after evidence. But what I would
say is what has affected me personally are the deaths
of those I love. And the one that probably is
the most important to me personally is my cousin Tommy
(02:54):
killing himself when he was nineteen years old. That I
think really changed my life. And then I had another friend.
I had a friend who died of AIDS related illness
alone in his apartment, and I thought to myself, I
have to be there for the spirits, and I have
to be there for people left behind. Oh that's pretty good.
(03:18):
And you have helped so many people? Oh my gosh,
how many would you say? By now? Well? I wrote
in my book something like, well, you know, I've spoken
to millions of spirits. And the editor came back and said,
are you sure that that could possibly be accurate? And
I started sitting in my head sort of Okay, well,
I've done this many events last year and I spoke
(03:39):
to this many, you know, And I started adding up.
I really do think it's you know, millions, George, at
this point, millions of spirits, not necessarily people here. That's
still a lot of spirits, a lot of spirits. Yeah,
because everybody I see comes with an entourage. You know,
none of us is alone. And when people meet me
(04:03):
and you come to an event, or speak with me
on the phone or do a zoom thing, they come
with a network of their spirits, their ancestors, those they
know and those they don't. The afterlife, of course, has
been something that has puzzled all of us. A lot
of people ask me, George, do you believe in an afterlife?
(04:23):
And I said, yeah, I do. Well, what's it like?
I said, well, first of all, when you die, you'll
find out. And then they say, but what if there
isn't an afterlife? And I said, well, then you don't
have to worry about it. You won't you're done. How
do you describe the afterlife to people? Homish? Well, I
have to laugh because you just asked the first couple
of questions in the book. The first question in the
(04:45):
book is is there really an afterlife? And that was
asked on a cruise with a bunch of metaphysical people
doing workshops, so I figured they had settled that question
for themselves, but apparently not. And then once we talk
about afterlife, the next question is what is it like?
And I say, it depends to whom you're speaking. Each
(05:08):
spirit will give me a different slavor of the afterlife. Now,
there are some things that remain the same. It's a
place of instantaneous creation with thought. There's tremendous life. There
are different frequencies. We can be with those that we love.
We don't have to worry about missing our loved ones.
So there are a lot of similarities, but the flavors
(05:30):
are different. I've spoken with people who are barbecuing, playing cards,
meeting up with lost loves so and with their pets.
By the way, So you know, it depends with whom
you're speaking. Knowledgeer does now is there a hell? Well?
I would say that if you gather up everybody who
wished other people ill, or killed people or were mass murderers,
(05:55):
and you put them all in a space and hung
a sign which said hello, writ well, maybe that's hell.
Maybe it is. Then does that mean the may or
may not be a devil? That? I don't know for sure,
but I used to be very involved with Christianity, and
(06:15):
I was a Christian singer, and I came in contact
with a lot of darker forces. So I didn't see
an entity with a forked tail and horns, but I
certainly saw a lot of evil. What's I'd like to
be a Christian singer? What kind of songs did you sing? Well?
(06:35):
One of the last songs that because I used to
write the music as well, And one of the last
songs the chorus was this, you are the God of
the unexpected, the daily miracle kind, forgive me for trying
to contain you within the confines of my mind. And
(06:58):
I think that was one of the last Christian songs
as I wrote primarily because I was understanding that God
is much bigger than we can really imagine. Yeah, well,
you know there's a link between creativity and music and spirits,
and I discovered that. So here I am a Christian
musing a musician, singing in a church with a band
(07:20):
called Evidence Ministries, and I look out and I start
seeing people's spirits next to them. Whoa yeah, So that
was a bit of a surprise for me. They were
they dancing with the next next to them? Or what
were they doing well. They were appearing and disappearing, and
there wasn't a lot of dancing. The music that I
was doing was very meditatives at that point, and I was,
(07:43):
you know, just sort of going with the flow. And
afterwards I stepped up to a young woman and I said,
you know, um, your your grandmother knows about your rape
and m and she needs you to know that that
you're okay, that this isn't because of anything you have done.
(08:07):
And she looked at me and she said, how do
you know that I haven't told anybody? The Wow? Was
she angry and yes, and a horror in her face.
And I realized, oh, wait a minute, maybe not everybody
is open to this. And I would say it was
soon thereafter that I packed my bags and moved to California.
Really yeah, yeah, which I thought might be a little
(08:32):
bit more open to this idea of the spirits. And
I wasn't wrong, by the way. How do you communicate
with the spirit world? I mean, did they come to you?
Do you go to them? I mean, who who opens
up the door first? Well, it's a cooperative thing. We
both opened the door and I've set very clear boundaries
(08:53):
around the work. I am very present in my body
when I do the work. That's how the spirits find me.
You know, I don't fly around trying to meet them somewhere.
They know where to find me, and the only reason
that they find me is because they want to communicate
with their loved ones who have contacted me. You know,
this doesn't happen because I want it to. In fact,
(09:15):
it doesn't even happen because the people who call me
want it to. It happens because the spirits want to
make the connection. So it is important for them to
let those they love well and to correct the record.
In some cases, we will often believe something in error
around someone's life or death, especially in cases of suicide,
(09:36):
and they want to correct the record. Are you a
walk in or a channeler? I mean, do the spirits
sometimes take over your body to communicate with people. Well,
that indeed has happened, but under very very controlled circumstances.
I like to drive my own car, you know, I
like and I'm a little bit of a control freak.
If the truth be known, no, not you What's And
(10:00):
maybe maybe that's because I'm not willing to be a
full trance medium. So when I've done it, it's been
the last time I did it was in England, as
a matter of fact, with some English mediums who were
very well schooled, you know, knew how to do all
of this, and I felt very safe and protected. But
for the most part, I am connecting at the mental
(10:23):
and the heart level with the spirits. I can see them,
and I communicate with them in the ways that they
choose to show themselves. That's an interesting way. I mean,
in the fact that you're able to do this, can
you do it at will? Yes? Well, I wouldn't say
it's will. I would say it's willingness, A willingness to
(10:47):
be of service, That's what I would say. And being
open and available without judgment. And that's really important. So
I don't come with preconceived notions as to how things
are going to go. I allow the spirits to speak
for themselves. How would you describe the spirit world? What
(11:09):
do you think it is? I think it is. And
when I spoke with the spirits about is there really
an afterlife? As I said this was asked in the
middle of a metaphysical group of people, I thought, boy,
this is really kind of strange. But as I looked
out and saw all of their loved one standing next
(11:33):
to them. I paused and I wanted to listen. I
wanted to hear what did they say about an afterlife?
Is there really an afterlife? And the answer they gave
me was simply this. There isn't an afterlife. There is
only life. So what I would say is what is
(11:55):
the afterlife? It is life. It's an extension of life.
It is a way of being and living and connecting
without a physical body. But our essence is the same.
We remember who we love and we remember who we are.
(12:16):
Good point. Do the spirits have emotion? Yes, but it's
not quite what we think. Now. This is where I'd
like to differentiate between ghosts and spirits. I make that differentiation.
A lot of people do not, But I think of
ghosts as spirits with a bad attitude. And so when
(12:40):
I meet a ghost and I used to do some ghostbusting,
they often had an axe to grind. We're irritated, angry,
there was an injustice. There was there was They just
had a bone to pick with creation, and so there
was often a lot of anger and that kind of
low were emotion. But when I'm speaking with spirits in love,
(13:05):
it goes beyond the emotions that come and go every day,
you know, feelings, you know that kind of thing. It
goes beyond that into a space of frequency, vibration, oneness,
So it moves less into emotions that separate us and
more into vibrations and frequencies that bind us together. Where
(13:29):
with the Hollister Rand we're talking about, the spirit world
will take calls with her next hour. Do spirits hear us? Absolutely?
They do, absolutely, and you don't have to shout at them,
so you don't have to stand I remember I had
a client come to me and her husband repeated back
(13:53):
to her what she had been saying to him, and
she had been shouting at him to take care of
their son who was dealing with had trouble with drugs,
and she was screaming it. She thought that her neighbors
might think she was crazy, because she seemed to think
the louder she yelled, the more he would hear her.
(14:14):
The truth is, you can just think about a loved
one in spirit. You can think I love you, and
they hear you. And that's a good thing. I would assume,
yes it is. And it also helps the neighbors not
to think you're nuts. That's true. Well, sometimes I see
people talking to themselves only to realize they've got a
(14:37):
little ear plug in and there you got their smartphone. Yeah. Well,
I'm used to talking with people I can't see, and
I'm also used to people thinking I'm crazy in anything
but normal. So there you have it. People are not
in a rush to get to the other side. But
is it a place of bliss? It can be. I
don't think that's the case for everyone. When we pass,
(15:00):
we have an opportunity to experience our lives from the
viewpoint of all of those we've loved and all of
those we've wounded. So it isn't this lovely little highlight
reel of all the wonderful moments in life. It also
includes the times we slighted people hurt other people, maybe
(15:23):
without even realizing it, and coming to terms with that.
Thank goodness, you can do that at the frequency of love,
because otherwise it would be a very painful experience. And
since you've been doing this, Hollister, you've been doing it
for a number of years. There are a lot of
mediums out there, and they all have different techniques to
(15:43):
reach the other side. But why are there some that
just can't do it. It just doesn't work for them. Well,
sometimes it doesn't work, and that can be for a
number of reasons. Fortunately it happens more often than not.
But there are rules that run all of this business.
(16:07):
We can't make it happen. So there are three cooperative
components here. The medium who does the best they can
and schools and trains themselves. The sitter, who can be
open and ready and willing and able and not necessarily
expecting things to show up in a certain way. I
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want my father's license plate number, said a man who
came to me. Well, I asked him if he could
give me his license plate number, and he couldn't, And
I said, okay, So you expect your father to remember
his license plate number and you don't know your own.
So people can come with expectations that would be difficult
to meet. And then there's also the spirit who may
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choose to communicate in a certain way, or maybe it's
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