September 2, 2020 • 17 mins
George Noory and tarot card reader Theresa Reed explore her longtime insights into the art of reading the cards, how to improve intuition when reading cards for others, and some of the most common misconceptions about the messages to cards can give.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori
with you our special guest tonight. Teresa Read, also known
as the Tarot Lady, has been a full time Tarot
card reader for close to thirty years. In addition to
doing private tarot readings, teaching tarot classes, and speaking at
(00:20):
tarot conferences when they had them, Teresa also runs a
very popular website called the Taro Lady dot com where
she gives out advice, inspiration, and tips for Tarot lovers
of all experienced levels. Teresa, Welcome to the program. Hi,
thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to
be here. I am fascinated by tarot cards. You must
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have been too. How'd you get into this? Well, I
actually got into taro quite by accident. I was a
typical teenager trying to figure out who I was back
in the seventies and eighties, and a girlfriend's mother actually
did astrology and she read my alogy charts. So suddenly
I got into it because it made so much sense
(01:04):
to me at the time. And on one of these
very rare outings to the mall I was in the
bookstore and I was looking for an astrology book and
I saw a tarot deck and I had seen them
in the movies like most people, and I thought, on
a whim, I'm going to take this home with me,
and I fell in love with them. And I've had
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a paro deck in my hands ever since then. And
that was forty years ago and it hasn't stopped since.
Says it. No. In fact, I have too many tarot
decks now. And the decks have how many cards in them? Generally?
Generally a traditional deck has seventy eight cards in them,
and there are newer decks where people might add extra cards,
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but a traditional deck is always seventy eight cards. And
your new book just came out right, It just came
out about twenty four hours ago. That's great timing. See
the Tarot cards said you were going to be on
my show. Yes, they predicted. It's difficult for you to
read tarot cards that somebody have to teach you. Well
(02:05):
back in the day. I remember this is way before
the Internet, and I grew up in a rural area,
so there was no there was nothing. I didn't have
a teacher, I didn't have access to like a lot
of books. There was really no way to study, so
I was pretty much on my own, and so learning
in the beginning was challenging because of the lack of
access and also the first Tarot deck I picked up,
(02:28):
which was the only deck in the store, was the
Marcia's deck, which is actually an incredibly difficult deck to
start with, so you have to really want to learn
if you are picking it up under those circumstances. The
second deck I got was the right Away Smith deck,
which is the deck is still used to this day.
But that one spoke to me a lot more clearly
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like it does for most people, because the pips are illustrated,
so it is an easier deck to read with. But
I started out the hardest way possible. And where did
you grow up? I grew up in Wisconsin. Oh yeah,
in a rural area. It's no longer very rural though
we have suburbs out there, so it's grown up quite
a bit from the time I was there as a child.
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How much of the Charol cards are your interpretation of
what you pull? Well, here's how I like to explain it.
When you're learning tarol, there are traditional meanings that anybody
who wants to learn it should know those traditional meanings
because they form the foundation, and they also they are
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like a springboard for your intuition, so they like a house,
it's a really good solid foundation. But your intuition is
what really creates like the decoration, it is what makes
the flow happen. So you kind of have to have
I would say fifty fifty. You have to have the knowledge,
you have to understand what those cards mean, and you
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also have to have the ability to kind of intuit, well,
how are these cards going together? What does it mean
for this particular person. For example, if you and I
both had Tarot readings and we both had the exact
same cards in the exact same positions, it's still going
to mean something very different for you than it does
for me, because we're not the same person, and the
reader has to be able to kind of determine what
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this might mean for you versus me. Could one be good,
one be bad? Same card? Yes, I want to say
the cards are actually kind of neutral. You know. Sometimes
people look at the cards. I'm like, oh my goodness,
I got the Sun, which, by the way, is my
favorite card because it's it's a very positive and optimistic.
But there's always a shadow side to the every card.
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So the shadow side of the Sun could be overly optimistic,
it could be having a Pollyanna attitude. Whereas some card
like the Tower, which nobody ever likes to see. You know,
it shows destruction, but the positive side of the tower
can indicate carrying something down that you've outgrown so you
can build something new. So you have to really be
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able to look a see what does this card again
mean to this particular situation and this particular person. And
sometimes the scary cards aren't really scary. They're actually a
good thing to see. They're a welcome ally in your life.
I was going to say, like the death card is
kind of freaky, isn't it. The death card gets a
very bad reputation that I blame it all on the
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popular media. You know, every movie they'll have like the
reader pulls out the death card and they speak very
ominously like oh my god, you know you're going to die,
mister Bond. And that's not what the death card is about.
The death card actually symbolizes a time where things in
your life are transforming. Some things are going by the wayside,
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there's something new on the horizon. It's a card that
signifies a massive and very important change in your life.
Now the death card exactly trying to refresh my memory, Theresa,
what does it look like in the traditional rider way
Smith deck? It has a figure, a skeleton figure actually
on a horse and it kind of looks like the
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skeletor figure from what does that show? I think it
was a he man whatever, And he's got a big
flag and he's riding a white horse, and there's a
sun rising in the background. And he's in armor too, right,
he's in armor. Yeah, he's wearing black armor. And there's
figures around him. There is a king that looks like
he's dead. There is a pope that is begging. There's
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a woman who's it looks like she's fainting, and there's
a little child offering flowers to the figure on the horse.
See now, who wouldn't find that freaky? Well, a terror reader, doesn't,
you know, we look at that very differently. We see
it as something is coming to an end, out with
the old, end with the new, but yet to somebody
who's new to terror, it could be a very fearsome image.
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Just like again, like the Tower card is a very
scary looking image. But once you know the meetings, and
again you have to look at what the story is
that the card is trying to tell. You might be
looking at that completely differently. When you're doing readings for
people face to face, who picks the cards? You or
the individual. First of all, I do not do cards
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reading face to face any longer at this climate. Nobody
does that because it's too because because of COVID. But
I stopped actually doing face to face readings a couple
of years ago. Do you do zoom and things like that?
I don't like zoom. I do it strictly of the phone,
kind of like the way you and I are talking.
And there's a reason why I do that. It's because
I don't have any distractions. I find zoom and actually
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in person readings to be quite distracting. When I used
to do readings in person, I would allow the other
person to shuffle the cards. But once they shuffle and
cut it, the deck is in my hands. I'm the
one laying off the cards and looking at that interesting?
Will you ever go back to win person readings ever? Never?
That's all No, no, no, no, no, no, it's just
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you know, not just because of the COVID. It's just
it's just not safe, and so I prefer I feel
safer doing it over the phone. And also again it's
less distracting. Sure there's not people running late to their appointment.
Actually doing it in person's kind of a hassle. But
you're not saying, as a Tarot reader, COVID's going to
be with us until the end of time. No, we'll
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be back to doing these readings, will get in person.
In fact, there's a lot of readers who are still
doing readings in person, but they have like some of
them have plexiglass between them and the client. Yeah, and
they have a face shield. And I'm sorry, but the
idea of doing a reading like that and sitting six
feet apart from somebody doesn't make sense. It's different, it
sure is. Do you know Art Rose and Garden. He
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is a colleague of mine. I do not know him
very much well, but I know of him of course,
a good guy. He's been a friend of ours for
twenty some years and he understands tarots. He's pretty marvelous,
that quite knowledgeable. Yeah, it is. If you had a
room of ten Tarot card readers. Theresa in a room.
Would they all come up with ten different readings if
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they pulled cards? They might, Yeah, because here's why people
are going to always have their own way of delivering information.
You know, they may still get they may still come
to the same conclusion or similar conclusions, or they might
see something that the other readers not seeing. So there's
definitely going to be some variation, you know. And I
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always say I always encourage readers when they're learning that
you've got to develop your own Taro voice. I mean,
if I'm doing a reading and trying to sound exactly
like art Rose Garden, for example, that's not going to
be really intuitive. It's not going to be me. It's
not like it's being channeled through me. Then it's me
being like a Taro automaton. And I don't I don't
think that's a good idea for anybody with students. I
(09:43):
always say, okay, listen, here's some meanings, but please look
at these cards. Tell me what you're seeing, look at
the story that's unfolding, and tell it in your own voice.
Are the readings also about events as opposed to an
individual you mean, like world events? Yes? Oh yeah. If
you want to hear something really interesting to Every time
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there's an election, it doesn't matter what side wins or loses,
there are always the other side. The losing side wants
a reading on the They're assuming that their life is
destroyed now and they want to know if they're going
to go on. Every single time, I always get these
readings after an election where, I mean, you wouldn't believe it.
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It's really kind of funny. Actually, it's like, no, your
life is going to go on. You're gonna be fine.
You're gonna have to maybe adjust a little bit, but
you'll be fine. Will Carol predict things? Carol can predict things,
But prediction isn't a perfect science. I like to say
that the cards, you know, always tell the truth, but
sometimes readers can be inaccurate in their delivery, like you
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might have misinterpreted something. But yes, they can, they can predict.
And I mean I've had many many instances in my
own life where I've you know, done readings for myself
where they predicted things, and it's been very helpful. Theresa,
would you say that you're psychic? People are funny about
the word psychic, le Let's just talk about that. As
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soon as you say psychic people have a misperception of it.
Sometimes Yeah, yeah, well you know the assume not on
this show, believe me. But yeah, your show is like
open to it. But a lot of people when you
say psychic, they're like, oh, well tell me, you know,
what's my middle name? And what color underwear am I wearing.
It's like, that's not how this works. You know. Whether
you call it psychic or intuition or whatever you want
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to call it, it's the ability to channel information without facts.
It's that feelings. So I would probably yeah, I'm psychic
or intuitive or whatever you want to call it, But
there's absolutely misconceptions about what that means. Intuitive sounds more scientific,
doesn't it. It sounds more scientific. But I think it
also is more palatable for people, because again, when they
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hear psychic, they have a misconception of it, and I
think most people can find the word intuitive to be
a little bit more acceptable. Have you ever used intuition
for yourself? Oh? My god, yes, all the time. I
met Well. One of my favorite stories about intuition, I
pay attention to my gut. You know. There's a book
called The Gift of Fear by Gavin Debecker. I think
his fame is, which is all about how your intuition
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is always trying to save your life. And in the
book they always talk about how a lot of people
ignore it because they want to be nice. Well, many
many years ago, when I was living in New York,
there was somebody who was flirting with me, and you know,
he was a really friendly guy, etcetera, etcetera. And for
some reason I got a bad feeling about. I wrote
about this in my book. I got a bad feeling about, like,
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you know, this guy's really funny and all that, but
something isn't right here. Did you know him, Well, yeah,
we were. We were people who would run into each
other all the time, okay, and so it was always
very friendly. He was always really sweet and you know,
not a bad looking champ either. But something was off.
So I'm like, no, no no, no, we're all going to
just be friends. We're going to be friends. And he
ended up doing um, a very very gruesome murder. No way.
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It was actually a very famous murder. And I can
remember you have been one of the victims had you
dated him. Who knows? Oh my god. It was just
a really freaky thing. But you know, if you don't
listen to your intuition. You can get into all kinds
of situations that's true, that are not good for you,
and oftentimes too, when you pay attention to your intuition,
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it can tell you when something is good for you,
when you should follow that hunch. And so I'm a
huge believer when I get a sign or an omen
or even sometimes I get dreams that are really pretty crazy,
but I pay attention to it. I don't ignore it.
I'm like, Okay, let's pay attention. Let's go with this.
There's a reason why I'm feeling this. How often, Theresa,
do you pull out the tarot cards for yourself? You know,
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I don't pull them out very often for myself. I
would say, maybe I also do a yearly birthday reading
for myself. I think it's the best time to do
a reading, by the way, to just kind of get
a feel for what the years about. But sometimes if
I'm having trouble sorting out a situation and like, let's say,
my emotions are getting in the way, I'll talss some
cards for myself to see, Okay, let's look at what's
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going on here. Let's see if I can reflect and
find the truth of the situation. So you know, I
actually did a reading for myself today. So everyone so
well to do that, but not I don't. I'm not
like going to those terror cards for myself every day,
like like, oh my god, I've got to you know,
get a hit of a tarot reading. I don't think
that's healthy. What do you think people come to you for? Generally?
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What do they want? Generally? People want to know what's ahead.
They want to know and what kind of things though,
like relationships, jobs, well, love is always the most important topic,
is it? Oh yes, and um but I actually work
with a lot of entrepreneurs who want to talk about
business and money and I love those types. That's smart.
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What about operations, medical operations and things like that. People
will sometimes come to a tarot reader or an astrologer
wanting to know about um, you know, health and as
a terror reader, you've got to be very mindful that
you're not a doctor, and you know, you can't be
giving diagnosis or people treating. I mean you can't and
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you can't say this right, They don't like that. No,
what I can do is I can look at the
energy around a situation or if people are going into
a surgery, maybe I might look at the astrology around
the date to see what they need to know around that,
but you can't, like you've got to be very careful
because you can get in allow of trouble or you
can send people down the wrong rabbit hole. I had
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a lady once years ago. She was always like kind
of a strange woman, and she asked really strange questions
and she seemed like like she was a little bit disturbed.
So I was always trying to tell her, you know,
you got to get grown, you got to take care
of yourself. Whatever. Well, one day she came for a reading.
This is many years ago, and she said, I stopped
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seeing my psychiatrist and I've stopped taking all my meds
because this terro reading is helping me better than any
I said, oh no, no no, no, no, no, no, don't stop,
and so I ended up I had to fire her
as a client. I said, you need to go back
to your therapist, you need to go back on your beds.
This is not a substitute for it. And that's the thing.
When you're a terror reader or strologer, you know, anyone
who's doing this type of work, you have to be
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very conscious that you are affecting people's lives well. And
you know it's not bad to go off your meds,
but one you need to do it with your doctor's support.
And two you got to do it like weaning. You
just don't stop. Yes, it's dangerous. And the other thing is,
you know it's not because of something I told her.
She just assumed that, oh, this is more like therapy
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for me, and it's like, no, no, no, this is
not therapy. You need a therapist, a licensed therapist for
what you need. And you know another reader might have,
you know, maybe not thought that was a big deal.
But I'm all about responsibility and you've got to be
very very mindful about when you're dealing with the public
that people might take things the wrong way, or get mad,
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori
with you our special guest tonight. Teresa Read, also known
as the Tarot Lady, has been a full time Tarot
card reader for close to thirty years. In addition to
doing private tarot readings, teaching tarot classes, and speaking at
(00:20):
tarot conferences when they had them, Teresa also runs a
very popular website called the Taro Lady dot com where
she gives out advice, inspiration, and tips for Tarot lovers
of all experienced levels. Teresa, Welcome to the program. Hi,
thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to
be here. I am fascinated by tarot cards. You must
(00:43):
have been too. How'd you get into this? Well, I
actually got into taro quite by accident. I was a
typical teenager trying to figure out who I was back
in the seventies and eighties, and a girlfriend's mother actually
did astrology and she read my alogy charts. So suddenly
I got into it because it made so much sense
(01:04):
to me at the time. And on one of these
very rare outings to the mall I was in the
bookstore and I was looking for an astrology book and
I saw a tarot deck and I had seen them
in the movies like most people, and I thought, on
a whim, I'm going to take this home with me,
and I fell in love with them. And I've had
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a paro deck in my hands ever since then. And
that was forty years ago and it hasn't stopped since.
Says it. No. In fact, I have too many tarot
decks now. And the decks have how many cards in them? Generally?
Generally a traditional deck has seventy eight cards in them,
and there are newer decks where people might add extra cards,
(01:45):
but a traditional deck is always seventy eight cards. And
your new book just came out right, It just came
out about twenty four hours ago. That's great timing. See
the Tarot cards said you were going to be on
my show. Yes, they predicted. It's difficult for you to
read tarot cards that somebody have to teach you. Well
(02:05):
back in the day. I remember this is way before
the Internet, and I grew up in a rural area,
so there was no there was nothing. I didn't have
a teacher, I didn't have access to like a lot
of books. There was really no way to study, so
I was pretty much on my own, and so learning
in the beginning was challenging because of the lack of
access and also the first Tarot deck I picked up,
(02:28):
which was the only deck in the store, was the
Marcia's deck, which is actually an incredibly difficult deck to
start with, so you have to really want to learn
if you are picking it up under those circumstances. The
second deck I got was the right Away Smith deck,
which is the deck is still used to this day.
But that one spoke to me a lot more clearly
(02:51):
like it does for most people, because the pips are illustrated,
so it is an easier deck to read with. But
I started out the hardest way possible. And where did
you grow up? I grew up in Wisconsin. Oh yeah,
in a rural area. It's no longer very rural though
we have suburbs out there, so it's grown up quite
a bit from the time I was there as a child.
(03:12):
How much of the Charol cards are your interpretation of
what you pull? Well, here's how I like to explain it.
When you're learning tarol, there are traditional meanings that anybody
who wants to learn it should know those traditional meanings
because they form the foundation, and they also they are
(03:33):
like a springboard for your intuition, so they like a house,
it's a really good solid foundation. But your intuition is
what really creates like the decoration, it is what makes
the flow happen. So you kind of have to have
I would say fifty fifty. You have to have the knowledge,
you have to understand what those cards mean, and you
(03:53):
also have to have the ability to kind of intuit, well,
how are these cards going together? What does it mean
for this particular person. For example, if you and I
both had Tarot readings and we both had the exact
same cards in the exact same positions, it's still going
to mean something very different for you than it does
for me, because we're not the same person, and the
reader has to be able to kind of determine what
(04:16):
this might mean for you versus me. Could one be good,
one be bad? Same card? Yes, I want to say
the cards are actually kind of neutral. You know. Sometimes
people look at the cards. I'm like, oh my goodness,
I got the Sun, which, by the way, is my
favorite card because it's it's a very positive and optimistic.
But there's always a shadow side to the every card.
(04:37):
So the shadow side of the Sun could be overly optimistic,
it could be having a Pollyanna attitude. Whereas some card
like the Tower, which nobody ever likes to see. You know,
it shows destruction, but the positive side of the tower
can indicate carrying something down that you've outgrown so you
can build something new. So you have to really be
(04:59):
able to look a see what does this card again
mean to this particular situation and this particular person. And
sometimes the scary cards aren't really scary. They're actually a
good thing to see. They're a welcome ally in your life.
I was going to say, like the death card is
kind of freaky, isn't it. The death card gets a
very bad reputation that I blame it all on the
(05:22):
popular media. You know, every movie they'll have like the
reader pulls out the death card and they speak very
ominously like oh my god, you know you're going to die,
mister Bond. And that's not what the death card is about.
The death card actually symbolizes a time where things in
your life are transforming. Some things are going by the wayside,
(05:43):
there's something new on the horizon. It's a card that
signifies a massive and very important change in your life.
Now the death card exactly trying to refresh my memory, Theresa,
what does it look like in the traditional rider way
Smith deck? It has a figure, a skeleton figure actually
on a horse and it kind of looks like the
(06:05):
skeletor figure from what does that show? I think it
was a he man whatever, And he's got a big
flag and he's riding a white horse, and there's a
sun rising in the background. And he's in armor too, right,
he's in armor. Yeah, he's wearing black armor. And there's
figures around him. There is a king that looks like
he's dead. There is a pope that is begging. There's
(06:29):
a woman who's it looks like she's fainting, and there's
a little child offering flowers to the figure on the horse.
See now, who wouldn't find that freaky? Well, a terror reader, doesn't,
you know, we look at that very differently. We see
it as something is coming to an end, out with
the old, end with the new, but yet to somebody
who's new to terror, it could be a very fearsome image.
(06:51):
Just like again, like the Tower card is a very
scary looking image. But once you know the meetings, and
again you have to look at what the story is
that the card is trying to tell. You might be
looking at that completely differently. When you're doing readings for
people face to face, who picks the cards? You or
the individual. First of all, I do not do cards
(07:13):
reading face to face any longer at this climate. Nobody
does that because it's too because because of COVID. But
I stopped actually doing face to face readings a couple
of years ago. Do you do zoom and things like that?
I don't like zoom. I do it strictly of the phone,
kind of like the way you and I are talking.
And there's a reason why I do that. It's because
I don't have any distractions. I find zoom and actually
(07:35):
in person readings to be quite distracting. When I used
to do readings in person, I would allow the other
person to shuffle the cards. But once they shuffle and
cut it, the deck is in my hands. I'm the
one laying off the cards and looking at that interesting?
Will you ever go back to win person readings ever? Never?
That's all No, no, no, no, no, no, it's just
(07:55):
you know, not just because of the COVID. It's just
it's just not safe, and so I prefer I feel
safer doing it over the phone. And also again it's
less distracting. Sure there's not people running late to their appointment.
Actually doing it in person's kind of a hassle. But
you're not saying, as a Tarot reader, COVID's going to
be with us until the end of time. No, we'll
(08:17):
be back to doing these readings, will get in person.
In fact, there's a lot of readers who are still
doing readings in person, but they have like some of
them have plexiglass between them and the client. Yeah, and
they have a face shield. And I'm sorry, but the
idea of doing a reading like that and sitting six
feet apart from somebody doesn't make sense. It's different, it
sure is. Do you know Art Rose and Garden. He
(08:38):
is a colleague of mine. I do not know him
very much well, but I know of him of course,
a good guy. He's been a friend of ours for
twenty some years and he understands tarots. He's pretty marvelous,
that quite knowledgeable. Yeah, it is. If you had a
room of ten Tarot card readers. Theresa in a room.
Would they all come up with ten different readings if
(09:01):
they pulled cards? They might, Yeah, because here's why people
are going to always have their own way of delivering information.
You know, they may still get they may still come
to the same conclusion or similar conclusions, or they might
see something that the other readers not seeing. So there's
definitely going to be some variation, you know. And I
(09:21):
always say I always encourage readers when they're learning that
you've got to develop your own Taro voice. I mean,
if I'm doing a reading and trying to sound exactly
like art Rose Garden, for example, that's not going to
be really intuitive. It's not going to be me. It's
not like it's being channeled through me. Then it's me
being like a Taro automaton. And I don't I don't
think that's a good idea for anybody with students. I
(09:43):
always say, okay, listen, here's some meanings, but please look
at these cards. Tell me what you're seeing, look at
the story that's unfolding, and tell it in your own voice.
Are the readings also about events as opposed to an
individual you mean, like world events? Yes? Oh yeah. If
you want to hear something really interesting to Every time
(10:04):
there's an election, it doesn't matter what side wins or loses,
there are always the other side. The losing side wants
a reading on the They're assuming that their life is
destroyed now and they want to know if they're going
to go on. Every single time, I always get these
readings after an election where, I mean, you wouldn't believe it.
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It's really kind of funny. Actually, it's like, no, your
life is going to go on. You're gonna be fine.
You're gonna have to maybe adjust a little bit, but
you'll be fine. Will Carol predict things? Carol can predict things,
But prediction isn't a perfect science. I like to say
that the cards, you know, always tell the truth, but
sometimes readers can be inaccurate in their delivery, like you
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might have misinterpreted something. But yes, they can, they can predict.
And I mean I've had many many instances in my
own life where I've you know, done readings for myself
where they predicted things, and it's been very helpful. Theresa,
would you say that you're psychic? People are funny about
the word psychic, le Let's just talk about that. As
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soon as you say psychic people have a misperception of it.
Sometimes Yeah, yeah, well you know the assume not on
this show, believe me. But yeah, your show is like
open to it. But a lot of people when you
say psychic, they're like, oh, well tell me, you know,
what's my middle name? And what color underwear am I wearing.
It's like, that's not how this works. You know. Whether
you call it psychic or intuition or whatever you want
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to call it, it's the ability to channel information without facts.
It's that feelings. So I would probably yeah, I'm psychic
or intuitive or whatever you want to call it, But
there's absolutely misconceptions about what that means. Intuitive sounds more scientific,
doesn't it. It sounds more scientific. But I think it
also is more palatable for people, because again, when they
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hear psychic, they have a misconception of it, and I
think most people can find the word intuitive to be
a little bit more acceptable. Have you ever used intuition
for yourself? Oh? My god, yes, all the time. I
met Well. One of my favorite stories about intuition, I
pay attention to my gut. You know. There's a book
called The Gift of Fear by Gavin Debecker. I think
his fame is, which is all about how your intuition
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is always trying to save your life. And in the
book they always talk about how a lot of people
ignore it because they want to be nice. Well, many
many years ago, when I was living in New York,
there was somebody who was flirting with me, and you know,
he was a really friendly guy, etcetera, etcetera. And for
some reason I got a bad feeling about. I wrote
about this in my book. I got a bad feeling about, like,
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you know, this guy's really funny and all that, but
something isn't right here. Did you know him, Well, yeah,
we were. We were people who would run into each
other all the time, okay, and so it was always
very friendly. He was always really sweet and you know,
not a bad looking champ either. But something was off.
So I'm like, no, no no, no, we're all going to
just be friends. We're going to be friends. And he
ended up doing um, a very very gruesome murder. No way.
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It was actually a very famous murder. And I can
remember you have been one of the victims had you
dated him. Who knows? Oh my god. It was just
a really freaky thing. But you know, if you don't
listen to your intuition. You can get into all kinds
of situations that's true, that are not good for you,
and oftentimes too, when you pay attention to your intuition,
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it can tell you when something is good for you,
when you should follow that hunch. And so I'm a
huge believer when I get a sign or an omen
or even sometimes I get dreams that are really pretty crazy,
but I pay attention to it. I don't ignore it.
I'm like, Okay, let's pay attention. Let's go with this.
There's a reason why I'm feeling this. How often, Theresa,
do you pull out the tarot cards for yourself? You know,
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I don't pull them out very often for myself. I
would say, maybe I also do a yearly birthday reading
for myself. I think it's the best time to do
a reading, by the way, to just kind of get
a feel for what the years about. But sometimes if
I'm having trouble sorting out a situation and like, let's say,
my emotions are getting in the way, I'll talss some
cards for myself to see, Okay, let's look at what's
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going on here. Let's see if I can reflect and
find the truth of the situation. So you know, I
actually did a reading for myself today. So everyone so
well to do that, but not I don't. I'm not
like going to those terror cards for myself every day,
like like, oh my god, I've got to you know,
get a hit of a tarot reading. I don't think
that's healthy. What do you think people come to you for? Generally?
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What do they want? Generally? People want to know what's ahead.
They want to know and what kind of things though,
like relationships, jobs, well, love is always the most important topic,
is it? Oh yes, and um but I actually work
with a lot of entrepreneurs who want to talk about
business and money and I love those types. That's smart.
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What about operations, medical operations and things like that. People
will sometimes come to a tarot reader or an astrologer
wanting to know about um, you know, health and as
a terror reader, you've got to be very mindful that
you're not a doctor, and you know, you can't be
giving diagnosis or people treating. I mean you can't and
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you can't say this right, They don't like that. No,
what I can do is I can look at the
energy around a situation or if people are going into
a surgery, maybe I might look at the astrology around
the date to see what they need to know around that,
but you can't, like you've got to be very careful
because you can get in allow of trouble or you
can send people down the wrong rabbit hole. I had
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a lady once years ago. She was always like kind
of a strange woman, and she asked really strange questions
and she seemed like like she was a little bit disturbed.
So I was always trying to tell her, you know,
you got to get grown, you got to take care
of yourself. Whatever. Well, one day she came for a reading.
This is many years ago, and she said, I stopped
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seeing my psychiatrist and I've stopped taking all my meds
because this terro reading is helping me better than any
I said, oh no, no no, no, no, no, no, don't stop,
and so I ended up I had to fire her
as a client. I said, you need to go back
to your therapist, you need to go back on your beds.
This is not a substitute for it. And that's the thing.
When you're a terror reader or strologer, you know, anyone
who's doing this type of work, you have to be
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very conscious that you are affecting people's lives well. And
you know it's not bad to go off your meds,
but one you need to do it with your doctor's support.
And two you got to do it like weaning. You
just don't stop. Yes, it's dangerous. And the other thing is,
you know it's not because of something I told her.
She just assumed that, oh, this is more like therapy
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for me, and it's like, no, no, no, this is
not therapy. You need a therapist, a licensed therapist for
what you need. And you know another reader might have,
you know, maybe not thought that was a big deal.
But I'm all about responsibility and you've got to be
very very mindful about when you're dealing with the public
that people might take things the wrong way, or get mad,
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