June 16, 2020 • 8 mins
George Noory and TV producer and screenwriter Bryce Zabel explore his push for UFO disclosure, the recent release of UFO videos by the Pentagon, and whether the public could handle the truth about the existence of aliens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeart Radio. So tell me about your take on disclosure
these days and this essay you just wrote, you know,
just to go back and set the table about it.
Wasn't a decade ago, maybe eight years ago, that Richard
Dolan and I wrote a book called A d After Disclosure.
(00:22):
You were on the program with me. I was, in fact,
I gotta tell you, you know, being on Coast, somebody
should really do a research paper on the kind of
rituals that Coast to Coast guests go through as they
prepare for a show, because I gotta tell you, it's
always fun to do this show and you always have
to figure it out. How am I going to be
awake to do it? Clear? But so Dolan and I
(00:44):
we had read five thousand books we thought about UFOs
trying to prove they were real, and we thought, well,
why don't we write a book that assumes they're real
and talks about what's going to happen after we all
admitted to ourselves. Right. So I've been on that path
for a while and it it's clear, I think to
anyone that studies this at all, and you obviously are
(01:05):
exposed to it on a nightly basis. But there's something changing.
There is some kind of situation that is pivoting where
we're starting to see the outlines that some kind of
acknowledgement that we're not alone is coming. We don't quite
see the contours of exactly how it's going to come,
(01:27):
but it is coming. And it just occurred to me
a couple of weeks ago. You know, we're in the
middle of some really tough times right now. We've got
the coronavirus going on and the number of people who
have passed is just horrific, and the economy is on
the precipice of cratering. And then we've got demands for
(01:50):
racial justice out there and the protests are continuing. And
even if we solved all those tomorrow, we still have
the challenges of climate disaster. There's extinction, poverty, and refugees
and nuclear bombs, and so the question is, well, how
can we really add aliens to this mix? You know,
that's just too much, it's you know, we're just too
(02:11):
unbalanced and chaotic. But it occurred to me that some
of the very things that Richard Dolan and I had
spoken about might happen in the aftermath of disclosure, some
of the more chaotic things are already happening right now.
So I just believe that we need to be prepared
(02:32):
for this thing to come down the pike anytime. And
if I was one of the managers of this secret,
and I don't know what else to call them there,
I don't know exactly who they are by name, but
there are obviously people who manage a secret that's been
kept for seventy years, and they've got to have been
making some decisions to inch closer on disclosure. And so
the question they must be asking themselves with all this chaos,
(02:56):
has the time passed? Do we need to wait? And
I'm not sure the time has passed. I think this
the title of the essay that you're talking about. It's
on medium right now, but you know it's called we
Can Handle the Truth? Why now is the perfect time
to end the UFO cover up? And even though I'm
not making a prediction, I'm simply saying it's not the
worst time to do it. Uh. There there never will
(03:17):
be a perfect time to do it, but there there
are times where, if you think about it, here's a
couple of positives that if we did it, um it
could be good because if it happened in a slow newsday,
then the chaos of disclosure would dominate the airwaves twenty
four to seven. Well, that won't happen if it were
(03:37):
to be disclosed in this year, because there's so much
else going on, it would have to fight for its
own space. And also might be good, to be honest
with you, if we could disclose that we're not alone. Uh,
and you know, these these protests we're having and the
grappling with how we're going to deal with race in
this country, we might start to at least get a
(03:58):
glimmer that we're more alike than different, and that that
wouldn't be a terrible thing if that was a byproduct
of disclosure. Absolutely. In the movie Few Good Men, Jack
Nicholson on the witness stand said, you can't handle the truth.
I think we can handle the truth. Well, that's what
you know. I wrote a probably twenty seven The medium
(04:22):
says it's the twenty seven minute reads. I guess I
had a lot to say on it, but I do
think we can handle the truth. And it's interesting you
pull up the Nicholson quote because I really think, and
this goes back to when I was producing Dark Skies.
We tried to make that television series kind of an
external debate on the disclosure issue. One of the characters
(04:42):
was the institutional military guy, the Frank Bach character, and
his attitude was Nicholson like, you can't handle the truth.
He felt like, you don't want to tell people they
don't need to know, they shouldn't they shouldn't know that
it'll just cause him grief. And then we had the
younger guy, John Loeingard character whose opinion was the opposite,
(05:03):
which is people have a right to know. And here's
what I always thought about that debate. The reason it
was so good and it kept our series running smoothly
is that they're both kind of right. You know, Yeah,
they're both a little bit right. And so at the
end of the day, it is true, we probably won't
handle the truth perfectly, but we can handle it and
(05:25):
we need to get on with it. And so I
think over the years, what's happened is that the people
who were the you can't handle it group, they've been predominant.
And I think that if you really take a look
at what's in the news and how we're talking about
this issue now and some of the players that have
been released into the issue, you sort of start to
(05:48):
see that the tide is turning, and it's it's getting
closer and closer to where people are just going to
shrug and say, you know, I don't care what the
truth is, but I want to know it. What do
you think of the have gone verifying that these videos
are truly unknown, at least they didn't say they were phony.
I think it's a game changer, George, I really, I
(06:09):
really do. I have a lot of questions. I mean,
we still don't know exactly why they were released or how,
and we also don't know why just short clips were
released when obviously, if a guy is running his gun
camera on an F eighteen and he encounters something, he's
not going to shut it off. Yeah, you're not going
to turn it off. So obviously there are longer tapes
(06:32):
that exist out there and probably in five KHD, and
I would assume certain senators and maybe even Trump has
seen the longer versions. But I think that they're a
game changer because what you know, we can only go
with what we know. What do we know? Well, we
know they got released even though it's unclear why it happened.
(06:52):
It does mean somebody who knew better, who knew if
you don't want to talk about UFOs, don't release them,
got them least anyway, all right, Which means that somebody
within the DoD thinks that it was a good idea
to get this conversation started, get the party going. And
the reason I'm hopeful about them and why I think
(07:12):
that they are a game changer that makes sense is
they do set a predicate for congressional hearings, given that
they've already spurred several high level briefings between senators and
some of these pilots, right, so people have started talking
about him in the halls of power. And the wedge
issue that may cause disclosure unless there's some kind of
(07:35):
mass sighting. But short of that, the wedge issue that's
going to cause disclosure is this military angle that somehow
the military is encountering these and for example, the carrier
group is a nuclear carrier group, and you know these
UAP or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, have
been seen in association with our military nuclear weapons. So
(07:58):
if there was ever of a national security reason to
start talking about it, that's what that's the way into it.
And then, of course, you know, I'm sure we all
would agree that you may start talking about national security,
but pretty soon you're going to want to know who
are they, what do they want? And are we safe?
And once we start asking those questions, you know, watch
(08:19):
out the cats out of the bag and it's it's
all on. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every
weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to
Coast am dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeart Radio. So tell me about your take on disclosure
these days and this essay you just wrote, you know,
just to go back and set the table about it.
Wasn't a decade ago, maybe eight years ago, that Richard
Dolan and I wrote a book called A d After Disclosure.
(00:22):
You were on the program with me. I was, in fact,
I gotta tell you, you know, being on Coast, somebody
should really do a research paper on the kind of
rituals that Coast to Coast guests go through as they
prepare for a show, because I gotta tell you, it's
always fun to do this show and you always have
to figure it out. How am I going to be
awake to do it? Clear? But so Dolan and I
(00:44):
we had read five thousand books we thought about UFOs
trying to prove they were real, and we thought, well,
why don't we write a book that assumes they're real
and talks about what's going to happen after we all
admitted to ourselves. Right. So I've been on that path
for a while and it it's clear, I think to
anyone that studies this at all, and you obviously are
(01:05):
exposed to it on a nightly basis. But there's something changing.
There is some kind of situation that is pivoting where
we're starting to see the outlines that some kind of
acknowledgement that we're not alone is coming. We don't quite
see the contours of exactly how it's going to come,
(01:27):
but it is coming. And it just occurred to me
a couple of weeks ago. You know, we're in the
middle of some really tough times right now. We've got
the coronavirus going on and the number of people who
have passed is just horrific, and the economy is on
the precipice of cratering. And then we've got demands for
(01:50):
racial justice out there and the protests are continuing. And
even if we solved all those tomorrow, we still have
the challenges of climate disaster. There's extinction, poverty, and refugees
and nuclear bombs, and so the question is, well, how
can we really add aliens to this mix? You know,
that's just too much, it's you know, we're just too
(02:11):
unbalanced and chaotic. But it occurred to me that some
of the very things that Richard Dolan and I had
spoken about might happen in the aftermath of disclosure, some
of the more chaotic things are already happening right now.
So I just believe that we need to be prepared
(02:32):
for this thing to come down the pike anytime. And
if I was one of the managers of this secret,
and I don't know what else to call them there,
I don't know exactly who they are by name, but
there are obviously people who manage a secret that's been
kept for seventy years, and they've got to have been
making some decisions to inch closer on disclosure. And so
the question they must be asking themselves with all this chaos,
(02:56):
has the time passed? Do we need to wait? And
I'm not sure the time has passed. I think this
the title of the essay that you're talking about. It's
on medium right now, but you know it's called we
Can Handle the Truth? Why now is the perfect time
to end the UFO cover up? And even though I'm
not making a prediction, I'm simply saying it's not the
worst time to do it. Uh. There there never will
(03:17):
be a perfect time to do it, but there there
are times where, if you think about it, here's a
couple of positives that if we did it, um it
could be good because if it happened in a slow newsday,
then the chaos of disclosure would dominate the airwaves twenty
four to seven. Well, that won't happen if it were
(03:37):
to be disclosed in this year, because there's so much
else going on, it would have to fight for its
own space. And also might be good, to be honest
with you, if we could disclose that we're not alone. Uh,
and you know, these these protests we're having and the
grappling with how we're going to deal with race in
this country, we might start to at least get a
(03:58):
glimmer that we're more alike than different, and that that
wouldn't be a terrible thing if that was a byproduct
of disclosure. Absolutely. In the movie Few Good Men, Jack
Nicholson on the witness stand said, you can't handle the truth.
I think we can handle the truth. Well, that's what
you know. I wrote a probably twenty seven The medium
(04:22):
says it's the twenty seven minute reads. I guess I
had a lot to say on it, but I do
think we can handle the truth. And it's interesting you
pull up the Nicholson quote because I really think, and
this goes back to when I was producing Dark Skies.
We tried to make that television series kind of an
external debate on the disclosure issue. One of the characters
(04:42):
was the institutional military guy, the Frank Bach character, and
his attitude was Nicholson like, you can't handle the truth.
He felt like, you don't want to tell people they
don't need to know, they shouldn't they shouldn't know that
it'll just cause him grief. And then we had the
younger guy, John Loeingard character whose opinion was the opposite,
(05:03):
which is people have a right to know. And here's
what I always thought about that debate. The reason it
was so good and it kept our series running smoothly
is that they're both kind of right. You know, Yeah,
they're both a little bit right. And so at the
end of the day, it is true, we probably won't
handle the truth perfectly, but we can handle it and
(05:25):
we need to get on with it. And so I
think over the years, what's happened is that the people
who were the you can't handle it group, they've been predominant.
And I think that if you really take a look
at what's in the news and how we're talking about
this issue now and some of the players that have
been released into the issue, you sort of start to
(05:48):
see that the tide is turning, and it's it's getting
closer and closer to where people are just going to
shrug and say, you know, I don't care what the
truth is, but I want to know it. What do
you think of the have gone verifying that these videos
are truly unknown, at least they didn't say they were phony.
I think it's a game changer, George, I really, I
(06:09):
really do. I have a lot of questions. I mean,
we still don't know exactly why they were released or how,
and we also don't know why just short clips were
released when obviously, if a guy is running his gun
camera on an F eighteen and he encounters something, he's
not going to shut it off. Yeah, you're not going
to turn it off. So obviously there are longer tapes
(06:32):
that exist out there and probably in five KHD, and
I would assume certain senators and maybe even Trump has
seen the longer versions. But I think that they're a
game changer because what you know, we can only go
with what we know. What do we know? Well, we
know they got released even though it's unclear why it happened.
(06:52):
It does mean somebody who knew better, who knew if
you don't want to talk about UFOs, don't release them,
got them least anyway, all right, Which means that somebody
within the DoD thinks that it was a good idea
to get this conversation started, get the party going. And
the reason I'm hopeful about them and why I think
(07:12):
that they are a game changer that makes sense is
they do set a predicate for congressional hearings, given that
they've already spurred several high level briefings between senators and
some of these pilots, right, so people have started talking
about him in the halls of power. And the wedge
issue that may cause disclosure unless there's some kind of
(07:35):
mass sighting. But short of that, the wedge issue that's
going to cause disclosure is this military angle that somehow
the military is encountering these and for example, the carrier
group is a nuclear carrier group, and you know these
UAP or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, have
been seen in association with our military nuclear weapons. So
(07:58):
if there was ever of a national security reason to
start talking about it, that's what that's the way into it.
And then, of course, you know, I'm sure we all
would agree that you may start talking about national security,
but pretty soon you're going to want to know who
are they, what do they want? And are we safe?
And once we start asking those questions, you know, watch
(08:19):
out the cats out of the bag and it's it's
all on. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every
weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to
Coast am dot com for more
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