January 15, 2020 • 17 mins
George Noory and author Richard Lawrence discuss his research into UFO sightings by astronauts during space flights, and why many of them believe aliens are real while world governments deny they exist.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. He was
last with me about nine years ago. Richard Lawrence has
accumulated a very unique breadth of knowledge and experience and
all kinds of mind, body and spirit, including the area
of UFOs. Richard was Lord Kimberly's speechwriter doing the House
(00:21):
of Lord's UFO debate back in nineteen seventy nine. Was
the first to bring declassified CIA and Pentagon UFO files
to Britain back in nineteen eighty. He launched a very
successful campaign in the US for release of UFO data
from the FAA back in eighty seven, and the first
to reveal Soviet Union UFO papers in Britain in nineteen ninety.
(00:42):
His latest book is called The UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message. Richard,
welcome back. It's been too long. Oh, thank you, George. Yes,
thank you for inviting me again. It's good to have you.
What's new with you. Well, the most recent thing that
I've actually been working on was biography of doctor George King.
I think we spoke about him last time, and we
(01:04):
just completed that and published it last year. That's the
King who came to Earth, and it sort of describes,
I think, whatever one's view of him and the Etherist
Society which he founded, which I'm secretary, I think I
think it's a must for people who are interested in
UFOs to form their own conclusions know about him, because
he's such a key figure in the movement. How did
(01:25):
you get interested in studying and investigating your force, Richard?
You know, my sort of way, in funny enough, was
more of a spiritual thing. And that's why I'm so
pleased that the sort of, if you like, the nuts
and bolts school of uthology and the spiritual school of
euthology have come together, I feel, and you know, I
(01:47):
think both recognize the need for the other. But from
my point of view, I was at university, I was
looking into spvarious spiritual teachings. I came across the Etherist Society,
and then just shortly after that I had and I
think I believe I could be standing to be corrected
on this, but I think the Etheric Side is the
oldest international uf organization in the world. Now, yeah, I
(02:12):
mean there are some local ones that could be older.
I know one I think in Cleveland, but that's by
the bye. I had an amazing sighting at university in
the north of England at a place called Hull, which
I couldn't argue with at all. It was actually probably
not a million miles from what they now called the
tic tac type of object, but in those days they
(02:33):
called it the cigar shaped. You probably remember that George
used to be the flying saucer and the cigar shape.
And so it was oblong and it was moving slowly
in the sky. But it came at a moment of
great significance to me when I was looking into this
and making decisions about which path to go down, you
might say, and there sort the tie up between cosmic existence,
(02:57):
alien existence and spiritual reality was what really brought me
into the whole field. Why did these you have all
seen to have different shapes, Sir Richard, the oval shapes,
triangular shape, cigars shaped and tic tac shape. Now, all
these different shapes, I'll come, yeah, Well, I think that's
where we need to be really open minded and in
(03:19):
fact open minded about also the shapes of the intelligences
aboard them. I'm sure they are some of them anyway,
who come from outside this solar system, I believed could
be very, very different from us. But it doesn't mean
they're not intelligent life. In terms of the shapes of
the craft, I mean, I don't really know why they
would have a triangular one as opposed to around one.
(03:42):
But I myself had a sighting just a couple of
years ago, actually in Devon of a triangular object which
I'm sorry that was I'm sorry I say Devon. It
was in London, actually, that particular one, and it changed,
you know, in front of the My wife and I
were looking at it and it changed from triangular to
(04:02):
disc shape too. So they obviously have capacity, and I
think their biggest capacity, of course, is the ability to
blink out, you might say, to sort of the whole
concept of invisibility, which Helen Charman, as you mentioned earlier,
astronomer here, raised the possibility that they could be invisible
to us. They have a control over the dimensions of space.
(04:26):
I believe you might call them that. Helen Charman, who's
fifty six now and was Britain's first astronaut when she
was just twenty seven. He has been interviewed by the
Observer out there, which you were a former calumnist for
and she told us, Yeah, she talked about the existence
of aliens. Now was she talking about little microbes or
(04:48):
the real big ets we've all been known. It's interesting
because it was part of an interview, and it was
just one question in the interview, and it's the only
question that sort of got international cover exactly. It's strange though,
because when I wrote, as you write, so, I had
a column in that very magazine and it was a
mind and body column. I was always trying to get
(05:09):
it to be a mind, body and spirit column, and
they weren't willing to ever go that far. And if
I'd done a piece about, you know, invisible aliens in it,
it wouldn't have been published. They don't think. So it's
great to see it there. But I think she was
certain well. She was definitely talking about intelligent life. From
(05:31):
what I can tell. She said, will they be like
you and me, made up of carbon and nitrogen? Maybe not.
It's possible they're here right now and we simply can't
see them. And she talks about there must be all
sorts of different life forms. So I can't speak for her,
but it certainly opens up the question of intelligent life.
(05:53):
Not just you might say microbe life. There have been
three astronauts now who have talked the pretty strongly about UFOs,
Helen being one astronaut, the late Gordon Cooper. He claimed
that he saw several UFOs filmed them and that they
were confiscated the pick, the video was confiscated, the film
(06:15):
was confiscated from him. And then Edgar Mitchell, whom we knew,
the Apollo fourteen astronaut, who told me he'd never saw anything,
but that he was ninety percent convinced from the people
he knew within government that we were being visited. Yeah,
and lied to I think he really stuck his neck out,
didn't the Edgar Mitchell? Sure? Did you know? He didn't
(06:38):
mind what happened. He just said that the American government
and undoubtedly other governments are not telling us the truth.
Which you know, one thing I've noticed, and I'm sure
you must have noted more than me, George, But when
I was first speaking about this, you mentioned the House
of Lords Debaton. I was in my twenties then, and
some of the early papers that came over that I
(06:58):
brought here, and also so later I brought some papers
from Russia as well over here to York to Britain.
You know, if you'd gone out there and I used
to go out there and say, well, governments are lying
to us, you'd be regarded as a bit of a nutter,
a pretty eccentric sort of fringe person just for saying that.
Whereas now if you went out now and say, well, look,
(07:20):
governments are telling us the truth, we can trust them,
you'd be regarded as a complete nutter. Nobody believes them
at all anymore. But that's one massive shift I think.
I think opinion polls show that most people believe the
governments have lied to us on this topic. Whereas I
mean in never mind me, I mean doctor King did
a rally in a big square here called Trafalgar Square
(07:43):
in the west end of London in nineteen fifty eight
saying that governments were lying to us and then they
must tell us the truth about flying sources as it
was then. So I think there's been a massive shift.
And as you rightly say, people like Edgar Mitchell, Gordon
Cooper helped. I noticed the astronomer Chris Hadfield, who was
a former commander of the International Space Station, said I
(08:07):
don't know this is an exact quote I don't know
of any astronauts who think we're alone in the universe.
And that's quite a statement, really, because he must have
met quite a lot of astronauts. Absolutely, I mean they
have Sorry, no, you go ahead. I was going to say,
they must have access to information that we don't have,
(08:29):
and they, you know, astronaut after astronaut. Another one's Brian
O'Leary comes out, say, I mean Brian O'Leary, the late
Brian O'Leary, who was on a NASA mission in nineteen
sixty seven, said there's abundant evidence that were being contact.
Civilizations have been monitoring us for a very long time,
and that their appearance is bizarre from any type of
(08:50):
traditional materialistic Western point of view. They must know, I think,
another one being Michael Collins, Jeff Hoffman, one could go
on astronaut after astronaut has come back. Some of them
have had epiphanies in space, they say, a one kind
or another, sometimes religious ones. That's another interesting thing, I think, George,
(09:10):
is this a crossover between religion and science. Yes, and
you know that the sort of the science needing to
move towards the mystical in order to explain some of
its findings. Is it possible that governments are withholding information
(09:31):
because they are afraid that they will lose control over us?
I think it's I would be very confident that that
is a fact. I think that's one of their reasons. Now,
I was thinking about I often ask this, and I'm
sure you are, but when is a good day really
for a prime minister or a president to come out
(09:53):
and say to their people, Look, folks, we have lied
to you for decades, you know, decsions. Just aren't you
lying to do things like that? On any day? They'll
just keep lying with their views. No, because occasionally you'll
get a politician who believes in UFOs will say so
we'll stick their head above the parapet, but it doesn't
(10:14):
really go anywhere. And you know, several of promise to
release information. Sometimes it generally, if it comes out at all,
it comes out through the back door. I think, what
do you think of Louis Alazando, the former Pentagon official
who went public talking about UFOs and the things that
they could do. I love some of the things he said.
(10:35):
I think that one of the things he said, which
I really I latched onto, was that, in his view,
the I think he said that his whole experience showed
him that the UFOs that have been seen, tracked film,
whatever it is, there is nothing. I think his phrase
(10:56):
was in the US inventory which is capable of that
or any other inventory. I think that's very important, because
I've noticed a big change. I mean in the sort
of the eighties and the nineties, the sort of explanations
you'd get to debunk UFOs, sometimes by government officials, sometimes
by individuals. We're pretty ludicrous, you know. I remember one
(11:17):
being a flock of mutton birds coming inland to mate,
and you'd get these players from a Japanese squid fleet.
But the latest thing seems to be, you know that
there's some secret terrestrial aircraft which they're testing, and therefore
that's the sort of new way of lying about UFOs,
(11:37):
pretending they're actually some of our secret craft from military establishments.
So Louis Elizondo coming on saying that the capacity of
UFOs is way beyond anything that we've got in America
or anywhere else, I think is a key statement. Why
are you a believer, Richard? I'm a believer, as I
(11:59):
mentioned the beginning, primarily for spiritual reasons. I am was
a very close friend and follower. I'm pleased to say
of doctor King and George King. Right, that's doctor George King, Yeah,
who founded the Ethereous Society. And he proved himself to
me in numerous ways, and one of the main ones
(12:23):
being the content of the many communications he received from
beings from other planets over a forty three year period consistently.
And I think anyone. I mean, I don't sort of
ask people to take my word for any of this,
or even take doctor King's word for it. I mean,
look at you can look into it, you can form
your own conclusions. But having sort of become involved, I've
(12:45):
also come across so much information. I mean, I'll give
you an example that I came across just yesterday, and George,
I was looking to prepare for this interview today. I
say yesterday. Actually it's probably well, it's just yesterday your time,
But it was on Tuesday, and I was looking at
the current NASA website on dark matter and dark energy,
(13:06):
because we tend to think that scientists now think that
less than five percent of the matter in the universe
is visible, so they're really on our page, which they
didn't used to be. I mean, they are absolutely clear
that there is such a thing as invisible matter. In fact,
most of the universe is invisible matter. But one particular
(13:27):
paragraph on the NASA site really interested me, and I'll
just read a little bit of it if I may
appreciate another explanation for dark energy. It says is that
it is a new kind of dynamical energy, fluid or field,
something that fills all of space, but something whose effect
on the expansion of the universe is the opposite of
(13:48):
that of matter and normal energy. Some theorists have named
this quintessence after the fifth element of the Greek philosophers.
Now I mentioned that George is the fifth element of
the Greek philosophers is ether. In fact, our society is
named after that Greek word aete r or we're etherius.
(14:12):
That is really the basis of alchemy, It's the basis
even perhaps more importantly, of yoga philosophy, the concept of prana,
the concept of g and so even on a Nassa's site,
and I think this is wonderful thing. You have a
move or a suggestion anyway, of the need to move
towards these mystical or spiritual concepts in order to explain
(14:37):
matter in the universe and in terms of UFOs their
ability to disappear. The concept that Helen Sharman came up
of invisible aliens, that was pretty unity. It was interesting
and unique for her to say that, wasn't it. It
really was, and it really struck me. And it's absolutely
in line with certainly what Dot King was saying when
(14:58):
he started our organization in nineteen fifty five, and I
think was a coming together. I mean, even you can.
You can look at a more orthodox organization like the
Catholic Church and you'll find the late Cardinal I'm sorry,
Monsignor Balducci, who was very close. I'm sure you've covered
him before, but he looked at the possibility of beings
(15:23):
with less material substance than ourselves. Another key phrase from
a very different quarter. And you know, I know the
Pope has offered to baptize aliens. I don't think there's
a cue for fourth that, but in a way, it's
a good thing. They're opening up the door to this
possibility and everyone needs to move I think in that direction.
(15:44):
I don't think one can answer the great spiritual or
scientific questions now without addressing life on other planets. Since
all this has been going on, the media coverage is
still a little questionable with regards to UFOs, don't you
think I couldn't agree more? And may I give an
(16:06):
example of this. On Sunday that's just gone two days ago,
the biggest selling newspaper in Britain, and actually I once
wrote a front page about an encounter between the equity
of the of the Duke of Edinburgh, the husband of
the Queen, with an alien intelligence, which is on the
(16:30):
front page of this paper is called The Sun. But
I noticed on Sunday they had something like nine whole
pages about our Prince Harry and Meghan. Oh my god, yeah,
it was everywhere. I don't know whether she's hit the
news there or they has she's hid some of our
cable outlets and stuff like that. So I had to
(16:50):
go all the way through to page fourteen, having gone
through these whole pages about this, to find a tiny
little article just about three inches long, which actually revealed
the fact that the US Navy has admitted they've got
secret footage of a UFO encounter. And I think that
(17:11):
illustrates your very point, George. I mean, no, the media
still haven't caught up. Thank goodness for programs like well
your program I think is absolutely crucial in our world.
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. He was
last with me about nine years ago. Richard Lawrence has
accumulated a very unique breadth of knowledge and experience and
all kinds of mind, body and spirit, including the area
of UFOs. Richard was Lord Kimberly's speechwriter doing the House
(00:21):
of Lord's UFO debate back in nineteen seventy nine. Was
the first to bring declassified CIA and Pentagon UFO files
to Britain back in nineteen eighty. He launched a very
successful campaign in the US for release of UFO data
from the FAA back in eighty seven, and the first
to reveal Soviet Union UFO papers in Britain in nineteen ninety.
(00:42):
His latest book is called The UFOs and the Extraterrestrial Message. Richard,
welcome back. It's been too long. Oh, thank you, George. Yes,
thank you for inviting me again. It's good to have you.
What's new with you. Well, the most recent thing that
I've actually been working on was biography of doctor George King.
I think we spoke about him last time, and we
(01:04):
just completed that and published it last year. That's the
King who came to Earth, and it sort of describes,
I think, whatever one's view of him and the Etherist
Society which he founded, which I'm secretary, I think I
think it's a must for people who are interested in
UFOs to form their own conclusions know about him, because
he's such a key figure in the movement. How did
(01:25):
you get interested in studying and investigating your force, Richard?
You know, my sort of way, in funny enough, was
more of a spiritual thing. And that's why I'm so
pleased that the sort of, if you like, the nuts
and bolts school of uthology and the spiritual school of
euthology have come together, I feel, and you know, I
(01:47):
think both recognize the need for the other. But from
my point of view, I was at university, I was
looking into spvarious spiritual teachings. I came across the Etherist Society,
and then just shortly after that I had and I
think I believe I could be standing to be corrected
on this, but I think the Etheric Side is the
oldest international uf organization in the world. Now, yeah, I
(02:12):
mean there are some local ones that could be older.
I know one I think in Cleveland, but that's by
the bye. I had an amazing sighting at university in
the north of England at a place called Hull, which
I couldn't argue with at all. It was actually probably
not a million miles from what they now called the
tic tac type of object, but in those days they
(02:33):
called it the cigar shaped. You probably remember that George
used to be the flying saucer and the cigar shape.
And so it was oblong and it was moving slowly
in the sky. But it came at a moment of
great significance to me when I was looking into this
and making decisions about which path to go down, you
might say, and there sort the tie up between cosmic existence,
(02:57):
alien existence and spiritual reality was what really brought me
into the whole field. Why did these you have all
seen to have different shapes, Sir Richard, the oval shapes,
triangular shape, cigars shaped and tic tac shape. Now, all
these different shapes, I'll come, yeah, Well, I think that's
where we need to be really open minded and in
(03:19):
fact open minded about also the shapes of the intelligences
aboard them. I'm sure they are some of them anyway,
who come from outside this solar system, I believed could
be very, very different from us. But it doesn't mean
they're not intelligent life. In terms of the shapes of
the craft, I mean, I don't really know why they
would have a triangular one as opposed to around one.
(03:42):
But I myself had a sighting just a couple of
years ago, actually in Devon of a triangular object which
I'm sorry that was I'm sorry I say Devon. It
was in London, actually, that particular one, and it changed,
you know, in front of the My wife and I
were looking at it and it changed from triangular to
(04:02):
disc shape too. So they obviously have capacity, and I
think their biggest capacity, of course, is the ability to
blink out, you might say, to sort of the whole
concept of invisibility, which Helen Charman, as you mentioned earlier,
astronomer here, raised the possibility that they could be invisible
to us. They have a control over the dimensions of space.
(04:26):
I believe you might call them that. Helen Charman, who's
fifty six now and was Britain's first astronaut when she
was just twenty seven. He has been interviewed by the
Observer out there, which you were a former calumnist for
and she told us, Yeah, she talked about the existence
of aliens. Now was she talking about little microbes or
(04:48):
the real big ets we've all been known. It's interesting
because it was part of an interview, and it was
just one question in the interview, and it's the only
question that sort of got international cover exactly. It's strange though,
because when I wrote, as you write, so, I had
a column in that very magazine and it was a
mind and body column. I was always trying to get
(05:09):
it to be a mind, body and spirit column, and
they weren't willing to ever go that far. And if
I'd done a piece about, you know, invisible aliens in it,
it wouldn't have been published. They don't think. So it's
great to see it there. But I think she was
certain well. She was definitely talking about intelligent life. From
(05:31):
what I can tell. She said, will they be like
you and me, made up of carbon and nitrogen? Maybe not.
It's possible they're here right now and we simply can't
see them. And she talks about there must be all
sorts of different life forms. So I can't speak for her,
but it certainly opens up the question of intelligent life.
(05:53):
Not just you might say microbe life. There have been
three astronauts now who have talked the pretty strongly about UFOs,
Helen being one astronaut, the late Gordon Cooper. He claimed
that he saw several UFOs filmed them and that they
were confiscated the pick, the video was confiscated, the film
(06:15):
was confiscated from him. And then Edgar Mitchell, whom we knew,
the Apollo fourteen astronaut, who told me he'd never saw anything,
but that he was ninety percent convinced from the people
he knew within government that we were being visited. Yeah,
and lied to I think he really stuck his neck out,
didn't the Edgar Mitchell? Sure? Did you know? He didn't
(06:38):
mind what happened. He just said that the American government
and undoubtedly other governments are not telling us the truth.
Which you know, one thing I've noticed, and I'm sure
you must have noted more than me, George, But when
I was first speaking about this, you mentioned the House
of Lords Debaton. I was in my twenties then, and
some of the early papers that came over that I
(06:58):
brought here, and also so later I brought some papers
from Russia as well over here to York to Britain.
You know, if you'd gone out there and I used
to go out there and say, well, governments are lying
to us, you'd be regarded as a bit of a nutter,
a pretty eccentric sort of fringe person just for saying that.
Whereas now if you went out now and say, well, look,
(07:20):
governments are telling us the truth, we can trust them,
you'd be regarded as a complete nutter. Nobody believes them
at all anymore. But that's one massive shift I think.
I think opinion polls show that most people believe the
governments have lied to us on this topic. Whereas I
mean in never mind me, I mean doctor King did
a rally in a big square here called Trafalgar Square
(07:43):
in the west end of London in nineteen fifty eight
saying that governments were lying to us and then they
must tell us the truth about flying sources as it
was then. So I think there's been a massive shift.
And as you rightly say, people like Edgar Mitchell, Gordon
Cooper helped. I noticed the astronomer Chris Hadfield, who was
a former commander of the International Space Station, said I
(08:07):
don't know this is an exact quote I don't know
of any astronauts who think we're alone in the universe.
And that's quite a statement, really, because he must have
met quite a lot of astronauts. Absolutely, I mean they
have Sorry, no, you go ahead. I was going to say,
they must have access to information that we don't have,
(08:29):
and they, you know, astronaut after astronaut. Another one's Brian
O'Leary comes out, say, I mean Brian O'Leary, the late
Brian O'Leary, who was on a NASA mission in nineteen
sixty seven, said there's abundant evidence that were being contact.
Civilizations have been monitoring us for a very long time,
and that their appearance is bizarre from any type of
(08:50):
traditional materialistic Western point of view. They must know, I think,
another one being Michael Collins, Jeff Hoffman, one could go
on astronaut after astronaut has come back. Some of them
have had epiphanies in space, they say, a one kind
or another, sometimes religious ones. That's another interesting thing, I think, George,
(09:10):
is this a crossover between religion and science. Yes, and
you know that the sort of the science needing to
move towards the mystical in order to explain some of
its findings. Is it possible that governments are withholding information
(09:31):
because they are afraid that they will lose control over us?
I think it's I would be very confident that that
is a fact. I think that's one of their reasons. Now,
I was thinking about I often ask this, and I'm
sure you are, but when is a good day really
for a prime minister or a president to come out
(09:53):
and say to their people, Look, folks, we have lied
to you for decades, you know, decsions. Just aren't you
lying to do things like that? On any day? They'll
just keep lying with their views. No, because occasionally you'll
get a politician who believes in UFOs will say so
we'll stick their head above the parapet, but it doesn't
(10:14):
really go anywhere. And you know, several of promise to
release information. Sometimes it generally, if it comes out at all,
it comes out through the back door. I think, what
do you think of Louis Alazando, the former Pentagon official
who went public talking about UFOs and the things that
they could do. I love some of the things he said.
(10:35):
I think that one of the things he said, which
I really I latched onto, was that, in his view,
the I think he said that his whole experience showed
him that the UFOs that have been seen, tracked film,
whatever it is, there is nothing. I think his phrase
(10:56):
was in the US inventory which is capable of that
or any other inventory. I think that's very important, because
I've noticed a big change. I mean in the sort
of the eighties and the nineties, the sort of explanations
you'd get to debunk UFOs, sometimes by government officials, sometimes
by individuals. We're pretty ludicrous, you know. I remember one
(11:17):
being a flock of mutton birds coming inland to mate,
and you'd get these players from a Japanese squid fleet.
But the latest thing seems to be, you know that
there's some secret terrestrial aircraft which they're testing, and therefore
that's the sort of new way of lying about UFOs,
(11:37):
pretending they're actually some of our secret craft from military establishments.
So Louis Elizondo coming on saying that the capacity of
UFOs is way beyond anything that we've got in America
or anywhere else, I think is a key statement. Why
are you a believer, Richard? I'm a believer, as I
(11:59):
mentioned the beginning, primarily for spiritual reasons. I am was
a very close friend and follower. I'm pleased to say
of doctor King and George King. Right, that's doctor George King, Yeah,
who founded the Ethereous Society. And he proved himself to
me in numerous ways, and one of the main ones
(12:23):
being the content of the many communications he received from
beings from other planets over a forty three year period consistently.
And I think anyone. I mean, I don't sort of
ask people to take my word for any of this,
or even take doctor King's word for it. I mean,
look at you can look into it, you can form
your own conclusions. But having sort of become involved, I've
(12:45):
also come across so much information. I mean, I'll give
you an example that I came across just yesterday, and George,
I was looking to prepare for this interview today. I
say yesterday. Actually it's probably well, it's just yesterday your time,
But it was on Tuesday, and I was looking at
the current NASA website on dark matter and dark energy,
(13:06):
because we tend to think that scientists now think that
less than five percent of the matter in the universe
is visible, so they're really on our page, which they
didn't used to be. I mean, they are absolutely clear
that there is such a thing as invisible matter. In fact,
most of the universe is invisible matter. But one particular
(13:27):
paragraph on the NASA site really interested me, and I'll
just read a little bit of it if I may
appreciate another explanation for dark energy. It says is that
it is a new kind of dynamical energy, fluid or field,
something that fills all of space, but something whose effect
on the expansion of the universe is the opposite of
(13:48):
that of matter and normal energy. Some theorists have named
this quintessence after the fifth element of the Greek philosophers.
Now I mentioned that George is the fifth element of
the Greek philosophers is ether. In fact, our society is
named after that Greek word aete r or we're etherius.
(14:12):
That is really the basis of alchemy, It's the basis
even perhaps more importantly, of yoga philosophy, the concept of prana,
the concept of g and so even on a Nassa's site,
and I think this is wonderful thing. You have a
move or a suggestion anyway, of the need to move
towards these mystical or spiritual concepts in order to explain
(14:37):
matter in the universe and in terms of UFOs their
ability to disappear. The concept that Helen Sharman came up
of invisible aliens, that was pretty unity. It was interesting
and unique for her to say that, wasn't it. It
really was, and it really struck me. And it's absolutely
in line with certainly what Dot King was saying when
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he started our organization in nineteen fifty five, and I
think was a coming together. I mean, even you can.
You can look at a more orthodox organization like the
Catholic Church and you'll find the late Cardinal I'm sorry,
Monsignor Balducci, who was very close. I'm sure you've covered
him before, but he looked at the possibility of beings
(15:23):
with less material substance than ourselves. Another key phrase from
a very different quarter. And you know, I know the
Pope has offered to baptize aliens. I don't think there's
a cue for fourth that, but in a way, it's
a good thing. They're opening up the door to this
possibility and everyone needs to move I think in that direction.
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I don't think one can answer the great spiritual or
scientific questions now without addressing life on other planets. Since
all this has been going on, the media coverage is
still a little questionable with regards to UFOs, don't you
think I couldn't agree more? And may I give an
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example of this. On Sunday that's just gone two days ago,
the biggest selling newspaper in Britain, and actually I once
wrote a front page about an encounter between the equity
of the of the Duke of Edinburgh, the husband of
the Queen, with an alien intelligence, which is on the
(16:30):
front page of this paper is called The Sun. But
I noticed on Sunday they had something like nine whole
pages about our Prince Harry and Meghan. Oh my god, yeah,
it was everywhere. I don't know whether she's hit the
news there or they has she's hid some of our
cable outlets and stuff like that. So I had to
(16:50):
go all the way through to page fourteen, having gone
through these whole pages about this, to find a tiny
little article just about three inches long, which actually revealed
the fact that the US Navy has admitted they've got
secret footage of a UFO encounter. And I think that
(17:11):
illustrates your very point, George. I mean, no, the media
still haven't caught up. Thank goodness for programs like well
your program I think is absolutely crucial in our world.
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