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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio all the Drain once
again on a fabulous Sunday, Hartman and orn Berger here
in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Well, it is that
day final round of the Masters Golf Tournament, and we're
watching the leaderboard right now. If you're looking for anything

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early on John rom Bertie Eagle the starters round today,
so he's gotten to three under. Party still eight shots
back up Hedeki Matsa Yama. But if you're looking for
the possibility of some ridiculous early score, the new Dad
John rom Bertie Eagle on the first two holes to

(00:43):
get himself to three under. Part Rich, I know you
celebrated Easter last Sunday, missed you. Yeah, yeah, we uh
we had eggs to find the Easter Bunny treated the
kids pretty well this year round, so it was Yeah,
it was a busy, busy weekend. But I'm glad to
be back in this chair, especially for Masters Sunday. If
there's one thing I realized when I take my Sundays

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off from here and I'm I'm in full dad mode,
is there's there's no room for television watching. Every single
moment of the day. It's completely occupied with something other
than being able to sit down and watch golf. I
I can just imagine the belly aching if I was
trying to watch golf with children with me, it doesn't work.

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So I'm glad to be here with you because we
get to watch the Masters and we get to talk
about it. Well, when my boys were young, uh like
your boys are young, my boys were less than two
years apart. Say, we're almost like twins. I mean, I
remember that that moment or I realized, well, I'm really
in dad land when they announced the Academy Award nominations
and the only category I'd seen every movie was the

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animated seen every one of those movies. So yeah, I
mean it's a little taxing, but you're not gonna be
disturbed here today. Uh, the leaders are gonna be teen
off at about eleven forties. So that will be the
final pairing the decade. Mazzi Yama and Xander Shaffley will
be the final pairing of the day. Uh you know

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Matzi Yama. Obviously, that incredible finish yesterday was really bizarre.
After the weather delay, and we were on the air yesterday,
Jeff Schwartz and I during the weather delay, and they restarted.
It was just bizarre. I mean, like Justin Thomas when
when Belly up with that triple bogey Snowman on thirteen
with the eight uh, And meanwhile Mazzi Yama goes eagle Birdie.
Birdie had a clean card five birdies and the Eagles

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shoot the sixty five to take a fourth shot later.
And it's interesting because we were talking about the first
round with Justin Rohose, like where did that come from?
He hasn't been on the radar for a couple of
years and he shoots that opening sixty five, But really
that's been Mazzi Yama. Uh. He hasn't won a tournament
in four years. I mean, it's still a big name.
But back in he was ranked in the top five

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in the world and he felt like at that time
that guy's due for a major. He's like right on
that cuss and he sort of disappeared. But he has
re immer. So that's sixty five. And then on the
other side, Zander Schoffley, you have the potential of an
unbelievable weekend for the city of San Diego with the
first no hitter ever by Joe Musco on Friday night

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and the possibility of a San Diego steak Guy Shofflely
Donny the Green Jacket. That would be a pretty good
weekend as far as San Diego's concerned. Yeah, and Xander's
a heck of a golfer, been hanging around the top
ten in the world for most of his time in
the p G A. Another name to watch who's close
to the top of the leaderboard is Speed. Yes, so obviously,

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much like Maziama, there was a long drought no tournament
wins over thirteen hundred days. We're talking about years, folks,
especially after the way he looked in his early twenties.
I mean he stormed out the gates. He started the
season before the first tournament. This year he was down
to eight in the world. It's just it's but now
he's thirty eight because he's had a really good year.

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You're talking about a guy who almost hit the career
grand slam out out the gates of his career. He
want to you want the Masters US Open in and
then two years later when the Open Champions it was
just like that. It was it was Yeah, it was
just happening all at once for him. And then and
then on comes the slump. And re tinkering of his swing,
and all sorts of things have happened. In the meantime.

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He's been married since he won the Valero though that
broke the streak of this tournament drought. And onto the Masters,
where he's he's really played some great golf. Opening round
a little shaky, but since then really solid. Here here's
the thing about the Masters, and having watched it as
long as I have, even if it's a runaway at
the end, as opposed to maybe down to the last shot,

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when you watch the back nine of the Masters, whoever's
gonna don that green jacket, there's a story. There's always
a story behind why it was this guy's turn to
end up wearing that green jacket. It literally works that
way every single time. So we're gonna keep you updated
throughout the day. Um, what's happening with the Masters? And
again we're still about an hour and a half away

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until the final pairing. Well Tiapa, Like we said, things
can happen, and already John rom started the day at
even par birdie eagle on the first two holes to
get the three underpar. So maybe the new dad has
something in him. Uh and a big run on Sunday
out at the Masters. But Rich, we had a lot
of things to cover right now, and you know, I

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think our big focus today I want to get into
the NFL Draft, and I want to talk to you
early on about our dear friend LaVar Arrington making headlines
with his comments that Bill Belichick could be on the
hot seat, and of course you play for the Patriots
and Bill Belichick. I thought Jeff Schwartz said something yesterday
that was interesting. I want to get your reaction, uh,

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coming off the losing season, of course, only magnified by
the fact that Tom Brady goes to Tampa wins the
Super Bowl, and Jeff said, look, there's really two Bill Belichick's.
There's the coach and then there's the general manager. And
you do have that, let's hear it. Having the type
of season that they had last year can make you

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rethink a whole lot of things that you did in
the past. That that seat is warm for Bill Belichick.
This crazy for some people, but Bill Belichick has to
have he has to have a good season this year.
And you know why, because they are whispers. It was Tom.
It was always Tom. It couldn't have been anything else

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but Tom and Bill Belichick has to show before he
gets too far away from Tom Brady leaving that it
was not Tom Brady. It was, in fact and indeed
the system of what Bill Belichick built in New England.
So he has pressure on him for sure. So but
I don't think that it's realistic to think that he's

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going to get a quarterback of Justin Fields caliber at
number eleven. He would have to make a more aggressive
move in the draft, and that is I'm characteristic of
Bill Belichick, and I don't see that happening, all right.
So that was a var Arrington's comments and it became
a national story out there. But getting back what Jeff said,
that really are two stories here with Belichick the coach.

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Belichick the coach is never gonna get fired. You went
six Super Bowls, You're not gonna get fired. But Belichick
the general manager, with all the money they've invested this year.
This year, he has a pass. Last year because they
were paying the price, they had kicked the can down
the road. They were in salary cap hell, and they
had to cut guys, lose a lot of guys, sat
out the season, everything else. But this year they've invested

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like they never had in free agency and rich if
it doesn't pan out, if they have another losing season
because he just didn't sign the right guys, perhaps Belichick,
the general manager, may be relieved of his duties. Well,
you're only two years from being fired in the NFL.
I mean that. That's a blanket statement. It doesn't it

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doesn't matter who you are. Tom Brady, if he has
two bad years right now, he's going to be fired.
It's just the way this works. Nobody's nobody's gonna say, yeah, well,
maybe he'll turn it around at age forty six after
two years of poor play following the Super Bowl, they'll
find someone else to do the job. This happened with
Carson wins in Philadelphia. What was it? Too bad seasons?

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Two bad seasons, and everybody's like, Carson's the problem. We
got golf Jared Goff perfect example. You you have two
bad seasons in the NFL, everybody wants you out of
the door. And so what LaVar said isn't wrong. It's
it's not like he's on the hot seat, but the
seats certainly warming up. And and Bill knows that because
he knows football and he knows this league, NFL stands

(08:38):
for a National Football League. It also stands for not
for long, because we have a short term memory when
it comes to success. And I don't care if you've
only won one Super Bowl, uh, like Carson Wentz did
and part of the season that he played on m
v P pace before the Philadelphia Eagles won their first
franchise Super Bowl. I mean he's out the door. He
is pushed out the door to years later. The same

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will happen with Bill Belichick, who has six rings with
the Patriots. I promise you nobody cares. Nobody cares about
all the prestige that has uh that has led us
to this point in the NFL. They care about what
have you done for me lately? And if this team
doesn't recover in a significant way next year, yeah, I

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can promise you that is going to be a consideration. Now,
do I think the Patriots will fire Bill after just
two poor seasons? No, But doesn't mean he's on the
hot seat. Doesn't mean that Robert Kraft and and company
aren't going to take a close look as to whether
or not the magic was generated purely by Bill Belichick
or the tandem of Belichick Brady. If they didn't they'd

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be negligent owners. So one d percent support with LaVar
Ironton is saying, yeah, I I Don Shula is the
winningest coach of all time and a lot of people
feel the Belichick wants to hang around long enough to
become the winningest coach in the history of the National
Football League, and Sheila is at the top of the
mountain of all the things Sula did and he had
an undefeated season, back to back Super Bowl is the

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most remarkable stat to me about Don Shula is that
he coached that team for twenty two more years after
his last Super Bowl and still had a job. Imagine
coaching the same team for twenty two consecutive years without
winning a Super Bowl and still having a job. It
was only then that they were able to move him out,
and you know they brought in Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson

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finally was available and said yes, I'll do it. That's
when they finally said Don, enough, we gave you a
chance to be the winningest coach of all time. You're
out of here. But to imagine coaching a team in
this day and age twenty two consecutive years and not
win a Super Bowl the same team would never happen. No,
it won't happen again again. It's just and and maybe
we'll get back to that point where teams, I mean,

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it appears in some ways that teams are starting to
get comfortable with ideas of giving coaches longer contracts. Look
at John Lynch, the first first time general manager, and
Kyle Shanahan, first time had coach when they were signed
with the forty nine or six year contracts almost unheard
of at the time for brand new GM and head coaches.
Dan Campbell signed a six year contract with the Detroit Lions.

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He went from position coach, from tight end coach to
the corner office. With the Detroit Lions, they gave him
six years. John Gruden ten year contract with the Las
Vegas Raiders. So maybe we're getting to a point where
some of these coaches are going to get more latitude.
But I promise you, by and large, if you do
not perform all and it happens consistently consecutively, these owners

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are gonna take a hard look at whether or not
they want you back. All right, we have a lot
of things circulating out there. Let's get let's get some
of the controversy out of the way. Coming up on
the other side, Deshaun Watson situation is gone in a
whole new direction, and exactly what is the game plan
for the Houston Texas. We're gonna tell you coming up next.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, Steve Harbert, Red Hornburger. Yeah,
find a round of the Masters. We're gonna be following
it throughout the show today. They're out in the course
and the leaders will tee off in a little more
than an hour. All right, So we were talking a
little NFL. We're gonna talk plenty of NFL today. We're

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just a couple of weeks away from the NFL Draft,
and you're thinking to yourself, couldn't get any worse for
the Houston Texans. I mean it is. It is unreal
what has happened to the Houston Texans and the dilemma
they find themselves in right now. So we have the
falloff from Bill O'Brien, which was not good. They have

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Deshaun Watson having a career year, second highest passer Rady
in the NFL, led the league in passing yards, and
they were still four and twelve, and then Deshaun Watson
basically informs them that I had no intention of ever
playing in another game for the franchise. So rich you're
thinking about, all right, what are their options? Their options
are a you can call his bluff, see if he

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actually will sit out a season and forfeit more than
twenty million dollars, or you trade him for a boatload
of picks. And we were speculating about Miami or the Jets,
a lot of teams that had a lot of surplus,
a lot of draft capital that definitely could use a
Deshaun Watson going into the prime of his career. And
then we get this story. And the first story was

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a single woman, a masseuse, someone that had done a
massage of Deshaun Watson and he had acted in an
inappropriate way. One one woman. No, no one really took
notice o. And we hear this all the time, you know,
a woman puts out, makes a claim. We've seen this before.
And all of a sudden, one woman became more than
twenty women. And then to compound it, there were eight

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team more masseuses that said that they had given a massage.
It was out any incident at all, And you're like,
how many of thiss does he have and these are
all in one year. I mean you're thinking an NFL
quarterback having someone do a massage makes sense, right, He
a lot of aches and pains, but forty different women
and counting how many women did he bring in? So

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this gives to the point where you're you're sort of
the NFL sitting back like, what are we gonna do?
Nothing yet because no criminal charges have been brought up.
And then finally one does bring up a criminal charge,
but still prosecutors haven't developed he hasn't been officially charged.
He hasn't been charged with anything yet. And then he
hires Rusty Harden is his attorney, and that's a famous name,

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I mean he is. That's a big time attorney that
he has hired. And Hearty comes out with the first
public statement as his attorney to say, well, the reality is, yeah,
he had sexual encounters with several of these women, but
they were all consensual, and of course Muzby, the the

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attorney for the women, said no, there was nothing consensual
about them. So right now, if you're in the Houston,
Texas and remember they signed to Rod, don't call me
Tyrod Taylor in the off season as a free agent,
if there was ever a franchise that could use an
O N sixteen season right now, it's probably the Texas,
you know, thinking we're looking at a serious restart because

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at the very least the NFL future of Deshaun Watson
is precarious. Would you say, I would argue that's an
accurate statement. This is one of those situations where there's
no easy way out of it. There. This is going
to most likely be the better part of, or more
than a year of litigation civilly, legally, this could this

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could drag on for longer than that. It could be years.
We just don't know yet. Like you said, I think,
I think there's a lot of information floating out there
right now. None of it has really been formal, you know,
I mean other than lawsuits launched. Uh. This is the
gathering information phase. And I thought what was what was

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interesting is that a judge is going to allow for
all the names of all the accusers to uh TO
to to be known. And so as a result of that,
you know what the defense will be. It'll be character assassination.
It's the It's the way these cases go. You know,
if somebody accuses somebody of something, what they do is

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they say, all right, well, here are all the reasons
why that didn't happen, and here's all the reasons why
you shouldn't trust this accuser because look at her checkered past,
and look at her checkered past. So I guess what
I'm trying to say, and I'm being long winded, is
this is gonna get really, really really ugly, and it's
gonna get ugly for DeShawn and it's gonna get ugly

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unfortunately for these accusers, those who have uh, you know,
a true and honest uh case against Deshaun Watson. It's
gonna get ugly for them. It's gonna get ugly for
the Houston Texans franchise, it's gonna get ugly for the NFL.
There are no winner is here there? Do you think
if if this really goes south quickly, um where stories

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they have some semblance of credibility, even if we get
before it, could you see the Texans just flat out
releasing him like he's in violation. Remember they just gave
him this contract extension. So I don't know the verbiage
in that contract, but if they find an opening where
they could just cut it loose, would they even hesitate.

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I think it's everything is in the realm of possibility.
I think that is well within the realm of possibility.
If he's put on the Commissioner's exemple list. Uh, if
he has found um either either charged or guilty of
these acts. I don't know exactly when you can exercise
whatever out there is, but there's gonna be contretom I mean,

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if he's facing serious litigation, there's gotta be terms in
a standard NFL I would have to I I don't
let some off the hook. I don't know it off
the of my head, but I guarantee there's a language
built in if you're going to be unavailable because you're
being charged of of I'm trying to remember the Michael
Vick's situation, so when he went to prison the Falcons

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that I mean, I don't know if he was under
contract at the time, but I think he was some
way for them to say, look, I mean, you know,
we can't be held accountable, especially from It's amazing how
these NFL teams are. They're more concerned about cap space
and anything else dead money, like whatever we're on the
hook for here can what kind of cap realief can
we get and and and frankly and truthfully, well, well,

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I mean that is a very pragmatic and very business
way to look at a situation that involves so many
parties and certain people who may have really suffered for
a long time. I mean that how else should a
business react to this? I mean, the business exists to
to make money, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
there are people who run businesses, but the business goes

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away if you're not profitable. So if a business is threatened,
much like you know restaurants or or events centers during
the pandemic, you have to just find a way to
make do. Given the worst case scenario, you just find
a way to exist. And so in the case of
the Houston Texans, if they say, wow, jeez, yeah, I mean,

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this is one of the messiest and most awful situations
we've ever had to deal with. But we got to
put emotions and feelings aside and find a way to
continue doing business to the best of our profitability. All Right,
we were talking about the vic situation when he ended
up going to prison. Vince what what was he under
contracts still with the Falcons and he was he had

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signed in two thousand four a ten year, hundred thirty
million dollar contract and was suspended indefinitely without pay by
the NFL and lost a bunch of endorsement deals. All right,
but and the Falcons obviously we're able to get relief.
Well yeah, I mean, when you're suspended without paying, definitely,
I don't think that money is allowed to count against
your cap. I mean because you're not first of all,

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you're not paying that salary, you're not getting the services
tendered visa via the contract, So it wouldn't I guess
I'm guessing it would nullify the effect of the contract
on the books. I would imagine the Texans are just
sitting there right now, like, let's keep our eye on
this thing, and the NFL. NFL is going to take
their time on this. There's no doubt. And again, prosecutors

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are only can pursue this case if they think they
can win. I mean, that's the way it works, before
they go to a grand jury anything else. And the
prosecutors believe that they can prove without you know, the
shadow of doubt, that they can get a guilty verdict
on this, they will do so. But if they don't
think it's possible, They're not gonna proceed this is uh.
The NFL slow plays everything. Remember the pandemic occurred. The

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NFL never made any sweeping station statements like, oh, we
are for sure cutting our season, we're not having the draft.
I mean, they made the adjustments as they needed to. Okay,
not having a live draft in Las Vegas will do
it remotely, But when it came time for the regular season,
they said, we're making precautions and we're gonna play out

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this year and we're gonna see if we need to
make adjustments later. I think that is exactly the same
way they're gonna handle this crisis. They're going to just
allow the facts to start to trickle into place, they're
going to respond and react to those facts. And then again,
I I don't see a way that Deshaun Watson plays
much meaningful, if any football this season. But we're all

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just gonna have to see him, wait to see what unfolds.
All Right, we got a lot of news at the
top of the draft. We want to get to on
the other side. But first let's find out what's trending
right now. David gas Scott just getting knowing Richie. We're
gonna be back here today. Oh yes, yes, it's good
to have you back reunited, and it feels so good.
By the way, the chip I heard you couldn't find

(21:53):
the chip. I mean, there's a lot of theories that
you're afraid of that often chip. I'm not ducking anything.
So I promised if I lost my March Madness bet
with my co host in San Diego, John Shaffer, I
would eat the one Chip Challenge chip. And this thing
is like, I don't know, two million scovils. This thing

(22:15):
is gonna burn. You can't even put your fingers on
the chip like people wearing gloves. Uh okay, So this
is what happened. I reached out directly to the brand
that makes it. I spoke and emailed with a brand ambassador.
They are completely one sold out of the twenty one
Chip Challenge chips. However, a couple of listeners in San

(22:37):
Diego have reached out and they actually have the chip.
They have the chip, have the chip, So I am listening.
You are definitely gonna post this. You're doing the one
minute Starting next week, I am going to be venturing out,
me in the car, going and visiting listeners and seeing

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if they actually are going to good on the so again.
Once you swallowed it, the clock starts one minute. Yeah,
and then we talked about that. You you mentioned that
you don't want milk, you want ice cream. I think
ice cream sandwiches. Yeah, I think that that's because, I mean, like,
throwing ice on a fire doesn't sound like a smart idea,
but on like, I don't know, in the mouth, I

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think it's gonna take ice cream. I don't know. What
do you think, David? I think you should save one
for Iowa Sam. Oh yeah, man, walking it would be
really fun. I will Would you be into the one
chip chow? Yes? I want to be here with that too.
I really like to not suffer cardiac arrest stage at
thirty four, but I might be down for some day.

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I don't know. You never know, Yeah, I mean, I
guess you don't know to try and I can't wait.
You don't know. Poor s ob from Dumb and Dumber
ad a bunch of those hot peppers and he never
made it, but yeah, guess yea, and he also ingested
rat pois and so I digress. We need an update
on that big day to day David, Right, that's right,
Hideki matsu Yamas you had the TIAF will do so

(24:02):
in about seventy minutes from now. Uh, here's your leady.
He's at minus eleven justin Rose four strokes behind. Uh,
a bunch of guys that are obviously in pursuit of him.
Jordan's speed. He's at five hundred park. He'll tie off
in about forty minutes from now. But whether right now
it shows seventy three degrees, so not not an issue.
Like you mentioned, Steve, it was yesterday. Um. Major League

(24:23):
Baseball going on right now. You got the Rays and
the Yankees. It's in the bottom of the second inning already,
warnings to both the benches. So far Jordan Montgomery through
a pitch up and in and dotted Austin Meadows up
in the right shoulder. And so that was in the
first inning. So we'll see I anything transpires this game
right now, scoreless Tigers, one nothing over the Indians, Marlins

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and Mets and a delay. Same thing with the Angels
and Blue Jays. Angels do have some bad news as
Dexter Fowler didn't for the season with torn a c
l Anthony Rendon also he's got a groin injury. He
was there one shiny light yesterday they lost fifteen o one.
Randon hit his first time. Right now he's out, what
was it eleven one? That was that Bo Bichette had
five rb I through four to happenings or something like that.

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But when you're starting Pitcher starts the game by walking
two guys in runs. That's not a good start to
the day. And then Madden just gets himself thrown out
of the game in the third day and he goes,
I'm not gonna come out. I got to make the
walk of shame out there in left field. All right, David,
thanks so much. We'll check in with you a little

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bit later on Stephen Rich. We're here talking keeping you
up data obviously on the Masters. We're also getting a
jump start on the upcoming NFL Draft, because we know
the majority of you really only care about the NFL
and everything else is a side note, by the way,
you know, I picked Baylor to win the national championship.
That was I only the only reason I picked Baylor.

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I had a Baylor get Zaga championship. I figured everyone
was gonna take Zagas. I took Baylor and they made
me look good. I actually won it was good. Yeah,
that wasn't much of a game, especially after after the
heroics we saw in the the final four. Obviously Gonzaga
was gassed after that U c L A game. It
just I don't know what else to say. It was.

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It was what you'd expect after seeing such an incredible
final four round. Uh, you you would expect the National
Championship game to be They were the two best teams
really all season long. Question Zaga unfortunately didn't show up.
All right, I want to get back to the draft
for a moment here, and Rich you know how this
whole all works out, especially these in the last couple

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of weeks leading up to the draft. So all of
a sudden, you get these rumors flying, right. You know,
this team's interested in this guy. This team is not
interested in this guy. So this all leaks out. It's
not by accident, Okay. So one of the hot rumors
is so the forty Niners are City at number three.
They moved up to number three, and all of a sudden,
we're getting these rumors that either John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan,

(26:53):
one of the two of them, is totally enamored with
Mac Jokes And you know how the how this draft works,
Rich is it's not necessarily It's not just who you pick,
it's when you pick them. So let me ask you
a question. We got thirty two NFL teams and they
all have their draft boards. Okay, everyone's got there all

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covered up, it's all secret and everything else. But each
team has put together their entire draft boards. Every team
does this every single year. How many draft boards, legit
draft boards do you think have Mac Jones listed ahead
of both Justin Fields and Trey Lance? How many of
the thirty two draft boards when they all think, how

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many do you think have Mac Jones listed ahead of
both Justin Fields and Trey Lance. Boy, it's impossible to
say for sure, but I can promise you. I can
promise you it's a large number. I could promise you
it's a larger amount of guess would be zero. Well,
here's the difference, or here's the problem, I should say.

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When you're evaluating person out and this is for any job,
any position, it depends on a lot of different things.
You know, company a maybe looking at a certain candidate
and see all of the negatives because that candidate just
doesn't really fit their system at all. Whatever it is
that company does. But Company B looks at a candidate
and says, oh, my goodness, that is our guy, you

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know what I mean. And this happens all the time,
you know. And and it also could be pedigree, like
Mac Jones coming from a Nick Saban system, and and
maybe like a J. Mccaren did. Maybe the relationship that
Saban has with some of these personnel decision makers. I mean,
the all relationships matter, you know what I mean, All
of that stuff matters. And so I guarantee you it's

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a larger number than you think or you may be
comfortable with. And the truth of the matter is, we
won't know. We won't know until the real the real
pads are put on and the real balls start getting
thrown around the yard. Who actually pans out at the
next level. Mac Jones could be the next Tom Brady
for all we know. And and now there's a lot
of people who say he shouldn't even be in the

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first round. There's some some people say, if you have
Mac Jones, if Mac Jones and your guy, why would
you do that? I mean, why would you just keep
Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm when you say that he may be
high and everybody's board. Maybe, but I don't think so.
I mean I I The idea of my point again
is if you want mac Jones, if you're the forty Niners,

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there's no problem with that. But you're not moving up
to number three to get mac Jones. You get get
mac Jones at six, at nine, wherever you were. I
guarantee mac Jones is still gonna be on that board. Now,
look at if I'm the forty Niners right now, because
we're hearing the falcons at sitting at number four, are
wide open to anybody out there that wants to make
a deal, especially if you buy into the fact that

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mac Jones is going number three of the forty Niners,
Because then all of a sudden, you mean, Justin Fields
and Trey Lands are on the board. Atlanta's got the
picks saying hey he's here, mac Jones is going three.
We're sitting on possibly Justin Fields or Tray Atlants anybody interested.
It's like, yeah, a whole lot of seconds because we
thought the reason the forty Niners moved up to three

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was to either get Justin Fields or trade Lance. And
we had the whole story about you know, Justin fields.
Doesn't the last went in first to leave all those
wild rumors that are to walk back and everything else.
But I mean again, this is this is the gamesmanship
that goes on leading into the trap. And let me
give you something that actually laid out earlier this week.
If I were the San Francisco forty Niners, what would

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it hurt if everybody believed that we were taking mac Jones?
What it hurt anything? No, not at all. See, because
we didn't change this ideadynamic for Atlanta to Atlanta Falcons.
So this is my point is say Atlanta are or
people around Atlanta or sources connected to Atlanta were the
ones who wanted to get the news out that the
forty Niners were targeting mac Jones. Now, very easily the

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forty Niners could have came out and said something like, well,
you know, we have a lot of players were evaluating
at that spot, but neither confirming nor denying. And like
I said, I don't think they should or they shouldn't
because it doesn't really matter. We know what's gonna happen
in the draft. We know, uh that that the Jacksonville
Jaguars are most likely taking Lawrence. We know that the
Jets are most likely taking the B y U kid.

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So who's left on the board, Well, you have three
really high quality candidates, and if the Falcons want to
float that, well, certainly the forty Niners are looking at
mac Jones. It makes their pick more attractive. And the
forty Niners don't care because the smoke screen is set
by somebody else, so they neither confirm nor deny. It
helps proliferate a potential smoke screen, and the forty Niners

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very easily could take fields that very easily could take
lance it. It just doesn't matter to them because if
they're if they've traded up to three to pick a quarterback,
why do they need to tip their hand at all. Well,
so we talked during the week to someone close to
the Bay Area situation out there, and I asked this
writer about this whole idea that somehow Kyle Shanahan is

(32:01):
a namor with mac Jones because he sees Matt Ryan
in him, you know who obviously helped him go to
a Super Bowl when he was offensive corter there in Atlanta,
got him his head coaching gig. And this guy says,
where is this coming from? That is not the truth
at all. No, it's it's he's not enamored of mac Jones. Well,

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who is a name is John lynchon Namora mac Jones,
because maybe the idea is Shanahan. I want somebody that
can execute the offense I want and make the passes
that Jimmy Garoppolo can't make. And John Lynch is like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. Don't you see where we're going in
the league. We have two guys out there justin Fields
and Trey Lance, who have a different level of athleticism,

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a different skill set that is more versatile than a
guy like mac Jones. So you think, I mean, do
you believe that's what's going on behind the scenes of
the forty Niners? Could you believe that aspect of it?
I look, I don't think. I don't think the forty
Niners are tipping their hand too far. I I don't
think there's any sort of internal strife going on right now.

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I think they know who they want at three and
it could be mac Jones, but maybe it's not. But
they don't have to tell anybody. And the reason why
they shouldn't tell anybody is because they traded up to
get to number three in the first place. So imagine
if you're the Jets or you are the Jacksonville Jaguars,
and all of a sudden you're hearing, like with confirmed certainty,

(33:29):
that the forty Niners are hot after mac Jones. Well,
does it get you looking at him a little bit closer?
Do you say, are we missing something? Are we gonna
let the right guy fall to three? You know? So
I'm saying the forty Niners are in the cow bird seat.
You don't say anything. Maybe they are all in on
Fields and maybe this was floated by Atlanta to get

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people excited about the number fourth overall pick and get
somebody to trade with them. But the forty Niners months
the word baby. Let everybody else talk about who they
think we're selecting, and we'll get our guy. And like
I said, it could be mac Jones, it could be,
but it also could be Lance. It also could be Fields,
and who knows, maybe the Jets surprise us all at
number two and uh different quarterbacks available. It's just it's

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a wait and see proposition. I think the forty Niners
are playing it the right way by not saying much.
All right, you mentioned earlier in this League, not for long.
The NFL two bad years and nobody's safe. Well in
one instance, one year and you're not safe. We're going
to tell you about that coming up next. You're listening
to Fox Sports. I've been and Armburger. We're getting into

(34:36):
so many discussions. We've been talking about this chip, the
Coffin chip off air here and Vince, of course is
a expert on stream hot Apparently Vince is like a
competitive spicy eating champion. Have you ever tackled anything, Vince?
It was too hot? Uh. There was one wing place

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in Maryland that I used to go to all the time.
They actually up there when when uh their wing challenge,
It wasn't after me. It was like somebody else had
done it, and they just plowed through a whole boatload
of their wings and they upped it up. You actually
had to sign a waiver for it to be able
to eat it. I tried them. I got through about
six of them, and I was done. I was happy

(35:21):
with it. I was happy with my accomplishment. I think
you had to eat like twelve or twenty four or
something like that was the challenge. I got through six
of them. I was good to go after those sex.
I'm glad you brought up the waivers. So when when
I first got into this bet with my co host
about having to eat the spiciest chip, the one Chip challenge,
I started like dabbling with more spicy foods than I

(35:43):
was used to to maybe try to build up a tolerance.
That's the way I approach most things. I'm like, well,
the preparations everything, right. So I I got a bag
of super spicy tortilla chips and I was like, all right,
that's good. Start good, good, you know, platform to build
off of. And then I went to a like a
hot chicken place where they they they had a chicken

(36:05):
tender that you had to sign a waiver before you
ate it. And I was like, yeah, give me one
of those. And they're like are you sure. I'm like yeah,
yeah yeah, and they're like all right. And then like
moments later, some lady came out with a clipboard and
she hands it across the counter. I'm like, was this
like a waiting list? I was like, what's going on?
Like everybody has a waiting list for spicy food now?

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So I went through it and it was like any
medical emergencies derived from the blah, blah blah blah blah,
and I'm like, whoa, whoa. I had a check like
several boxes completely would indemnifying them from any legal issue,
and signed my life away and then got the chicken
tender and I housed the thing. I was pretty proud
of myself, like I put it down really fast. The

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problem was on the other side of it. Maybe it's
just me, but I started hiccupping like crazy, Like I
sounded like a drunk sailor at port. I was just like,
I'm sure every hiccup felt good, you know what. Honestly
they didn't know. I didn't. That was a reminder every
time you hiccup what you had just done to yourself.
All right, just very quickly, I want to I want

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to touch on the Carolina deal with the Jets to
acquire Sam Donald. You mentioned earlier Rich about we're talking
about Belichick and you know in this league you have
a couple of bad years. You're on the endangered species list.
Um Teddy Bridgewater a year A year ago, Carolina targeted
Teddy Bridgewater. Matt Rules, your new coach, Show Berry's your

(37:30):
new offensive coordinator. You got a new ownership there in Carolina,
new reset, and they're absolutely convinced that Teddy Bridgewater is
the answer. Off his run where he has substituted for
Drew Brees, ran out five or six wins, played well,
and it didn't work. Of course, you also lost Christian McCaffrey,
you start player for most of the year, So I

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don't know how accountable that was for Carolina's was offensively
that they have turned the page after one year and
they are bringing in Sam Darnald feeling like they can
resurrect this kid's career. And we were talking about Joe Barry.
Course was the offensive Gurwood l s u that elevated
Joe Burrow from a guy to the number one pick

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in the draft. And you're reminding me again that Sam
Donald is actually younger than Joe Burrow. That's how young
he's still. He's twenty three years old. He's a young guy.
So how much of what happened to Sam Donald in
the Jets was just being a Jet and all the
problems that franchise has, and how much was it on
Sam Donald and any kind of limitations that he has

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that would prevent him from being a franchise quarterback in
the NFL? Well, to be a franchise quarterback. It requires
a franchise Okay, that's a good I mean it, it's true.
I when when you were talking about classically, when you're
talking about a franchise quarterback, you're talking about a quarterback
who's played pretty well, who's been around a program for

(38:54):
a long time, because there's belief that as soon as
you just build the right pieces around him, he can elevate.
He can he can help bring this team to a championship,
which is the ultimate goal. UM. I didn't see at
any point in Sam Donald's career the franchise coming even
close to surrounding him with enough talent to elevate I. I.

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We got to seek glimpses of his potential greatness with it.
We got to see moments where he really seemed to
figure it out, but there were few and far between.
And some of that may have been Sam Donald, but
most of it was the fact that he was a
victim of his surroundings and there was just nothing really
good doing in New York through the young portion of

(39:36):
this guy's career and contract with the New York Jets.
So I think, I think that this is going to
be a good change of pace. For him, I think
that he's still a young enough and a moldible enough,
like the die is in cast with him yet that
he can't learn a new system. And I'm excited to
see how it works out with Matt Rule down there
in Carolina. Well again, he's gonna have to show some discipline.

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And when he was drafted, I kept saying, how do
you ignore the fact that this guy led the nation
in turnovers? He had more turnovers his sophomore season after
that phenomenal freshman season then half of the other team's
Indivision One football, I mean, And that just that's about judgment,
and so much of being a quarterback in the NFL
is understanding when do I do this, When do I

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do this? Who do I throw to? When do I
eat it? When do I throw it away? It's very
much a thinking process. So we'll see how it plays
out in Carolina, all right. Coming up on the other side,
Tiger Woods is not at the Masters this season. What
does that mean for Tiger? What does that mean for
the tournament? We're gonna tell you next. Fox Sports Radio
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(40:41):
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warmbering your hair rolling along on this final day of
the Masters Sunday, and we are keeping our eye on
that leader. Or we're about forty minutes away from the

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scheduled tee off of the final pairing as Hedeki matsu
Yama with a four shot lead Xander Chaffle one of
the four golfers sitting at minus seven and they are
due to tee off again at eleven Fortyes, so we
mentioned earlier about John Ram. He started Bertie Eagle in
the first two holes. He's part four straight holes since

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so he is still eight shots back. And normally when
you when you get to the final round of the Masters, Rich,
it's gonna come out of one of the last couple
of pairings. It's rare. For instance, I mean you're looking
at speed right now. He starts six shots back. He
would have to again think about it. He's six shots back.

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If he shoots sixty six just to tie Mazzi Yama,
mazziam would have to have an even part seventy two. Uh.
Mazzi Yama has been on a roll at the Masters.
I think he's got fourteen rounds now even par or better.
Oh you know, some people are thinking, well, Maziama could
blow up today anything, He's possible. Sure, I mean, could
he throw up a seventy eight today, Sure it's possible.

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It doesn't seem likely, though. Mazziama seems to have his
game pretty much under control right now. So if he's
gonna lose this, it's because somebody just shoots lights out
and beats him. Well, And when we're talking about golfers,
I like it when you talk about a golfer's success
or failures on the course they're playing as opposed to
at the major they're playing in, because a lot of

(42:29):
times you'll hear commentator has mentioned like, you know, and
at last year's US Open, or you know, at the
Open Championship two years ago, and it's like, well, everything
changes because you're talking about a completely different course. But
at the Masters, we're talking about the same course unless
it was last November. No, no, that it was not
the same. It's the same course. It played extraordinarily different

(42:52):
because there was a different season and Dustin Johnson twenty
under is not going to be matched under the conditions
are seen in this April cour They made sure of
it also. I think part of the goal here was
to make this you can see it. I mean, we're
watching the early whenever you've seen brown on those greens.
That's exactly what it was about. The comment on the
fact that these greens were cut so low, they're roasting

(43:15):
in the Georgia's sun. They got way less rain than
they were forecasted to get and so we're seeing brown
splotches of grass, which means that you're basically putting on
a glass coffee table when you get up there. So
the undulation, it's it's gonna be an amazing challenge today. Now,
one guy that is not there, obviously the Masters this
year is Tiger Woods. And for many people listening out there,

(43:39):
your interest in golf begins and ends with Tiger is
a lot of golf. The only interests you would have
any any fate interest in golf begins and ends with
Tiger Woods. Uh. One of the big stories this week
about Tiger were details, at least the details they wanted
to give us about what exactly happened in his accident,

(43:59):
and it really just sort of blew everybody away. Was
there one was an empty, unlabeled pill bottle found in
his backpack, but he immediately they dismissed it as completely irrelevant,
completely irrelevant. He in their backpack at the scene of
an accent, they find an unlabeled, empty pill bottle and

(44:23):
immediately they dismissed. And it had no relevance at all
to the accent, not zero, zim, So don't even go there.
It has zero relevance. Well, and everyone's like, how is
that possible that you couldn't even question perhaps what may
have been in that unlabeled pill bottle that is now
empty that's in his backpack. Well, look, I mean this

(44:47):
is this is where we we go. Our brains want
to connect incident to cause, right, you know, So it
is very hard for people to believe that professional act
who is still arguably, you know, in in somewhat of
his pride, if he took better care of his body,
if he wasn't so beaten down from that violent golf

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swing and all the surgeries, you could argue that he
was still in his prime. Maybe not though in Tiger's case,
but a professional athlete. Nonetheless, Uh, you know, Stone Sober
took his car off the road at some insane speed.
It's it's just a hard bridge to mentally cross. Right.
So the first and automatic assumption, especially with his past,

(45:31):
is well, was he impaired at all? And so, just
by the way, a very relevant question because he's already
been rested for impaired driving in the past, no question
about it. So I'm not I'm not making the argument
against those who speculate there's more to this story, because frankly,
there may be more to this story, but we'll never
know because the story is closed. It's over, like that's it.

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One thing we do know, and this is for sure,
he's got a checkered pass with driving. He's got a
checkered pass with the law involving in pair driving. And uh,
he's had multiple incidents with cars. If I were Tiger Woods,
and this is a billionaire we're talking about, I'd never
drive again. Everywhere I went, I'd have a professional driving

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me around. That's the lesson if you haven't learned it already.
With the Jupiter Naples, Florida incident where he was drooling
trying to tie his shoes on a cop cruiser completely
smashed on. You know, sleeping pills, pain killers, who's recovering
from a back surgery, four or five drugs that I
mean it was, it was a cocktail. Well and again
he could have hurt somebody. Unfortunately in this incident, this

(46:35):
latest incident, nobody got hurt. But at some point you
may not be so lucky. Well so so again, if
if he is so lucky that he can ever walk
up to a car door again and hop inside, my
man needs to stop driving because it just doesn't mix
with Tiger whatever it is. I mean, you are one
phone call away from having somebody in the car waiting
in your driveway every single day, every single time you

(46:58):
need to leave the house. I don't know understand why
he drives himself anywhere at all. Golf without Tiger Woods.
We've been down this path before, you know, rich two
years ago, on this very day, I was sitting here
with Coatino Mobley doing the show. We thought we were
going to be sort of like today where we're going
to hand it off, you know, because normally the round

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will let you know, three to four o'clock and we're
on the West coast and you know we're going to
be out the air too. And then it was announced
that morning that they had to move with the start
times up because it was impending bad weather, so instead
of pairings, they went through three simps and they moved
it up. And I'm trying to do a show and
I'm watching, you know, Francesco malin a right seemingly in

(47:42):
control that he puts in the water at twelve, and
all of a sudden, you see Tiger tied for the lead,
and we're seeing this thing unfold before us and he wins.
And you know, I was sitting here with Coatino Mobley
and we had Ralph Irvin who was a big golf
guy doing up eights that day, and I remember they
are the tournaments over and he goes to give his

(48:05):
mom a huge hug. You know, gave this son of
hug and everything else, but he gave his mom a hug.
Right as I'm about to throw to the update. You
could hear it in my voice, like I started to
choke a little bit. Um And I know you cried
for a week. You said it was a full week
of basically, but you were watching that tournament and it

(48:27):
just hits you like a ton of bricks. It was
an interesting day. I remember it vividly. Uh. We were
we were getting set to go to the beach, and
I was, you know, I mean the wagons packed, we
were gonna walk down to the water from our house.
And I was like, you know what, I don't want
to leave the television. I said, I think I think
something's happening here. And it was right just before they

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teed off on twelve, and so very similar situation you had.
I'm watching this in you know, awestruck disbelief, like he
could do this. And my son comes into the room
and he's sitting on my lap for a little bit
of it. He's getting bored, he's walking away, coming back
and come and my I'm fixated. I'm like, where, we
can't go anywhere. I gotta see how this ends. And

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he wins and sort of unexpectedly because I would consider
myself a Tiger fan, I mean, certainly my interest in
your of the generation where your awareness of golf was
triggered by Tiger Wood. When I I remember going to
my grandparents house most Sundays we'd go. They lived in
the same time we did. We'd have Sunday dinners over there,

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and a lot of those Sunday's dinners, I remember my
Grandpa would be watching whatever event was fiming. You were
eleven years old when he won that first Masters, and
I remember watching him my Grandpa's den and not really
understanding the impact and thinking later on like, oh wow,
like I got to watch one of the best ever
do it, do it so young and doing such commanding fashion.

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But anyways, fast forward to that Sunday two years ago.
Tears start coming down my face and my I can't
believe I'm crying. But the next day we're doing the
radio show and I had to basically hold you up.
We're just you kept talking about this, but what do
we just see yesterday talking about Master? I mean, it was.
It truly was the greatest comeback I've ever seen in sports.

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There's no doubt about it. To see what that man
had been through off the golf course. On the golf course,
the shame, the recovery, the surgeries, the rehabs, and then
to go out there and to prove all of the naysayers,
including yourself wrong. I mean, I remember for years I
battled you. I said, Tiger will compete again, and you're like,

(50:37):
never gonna will never way to fall into even in
the world right now. That was his ranking eleven Hunter
in the world. And then the year before memory, he
suddenly made a little noise at the Open Championship and
then he finished runner up to kept the p G A.
So he had the man when him going in to
the to the Masters. But in the aftermath of him

(50:59):
winning that turn of man. What I also remember is
so he's with the media afterwards and immediately everyone's writing
this story he's gonna catch Jack's eighteen now now he's back.
And the whole time he kept they weren't listening to him.
What he was saying is you do understand everything that
had to happen for me to win. I mean, I

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gotta have you know, he's got a fold. He's got
a fold. I gotta make this pot. There was so
many because he's been there, he knows the history of
the tournament, this is how the Master's plays. And also
he understands how improbable even that victory was, like so
improbably he look, I remember it never won a major
where he wasn't leading going in the final way until

(51:41):
that tournament. I remember that year he won the vel
Spar and I remember everybody was like, oh my gosh,
Tiger's back. And then they're also like what's vel spar?
What does that even mean? What's that word? Beat? And
it turns out it's a paint company, and and and
and it was this tournament in Florida, and it turned
everybody's antenna's up like Tigers back. And I remember there

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was a lot of doubt as to whether or not
he could compete in any of these majors, and he
was selective about what tournaments he played in. And getting
that win, really, I think it was sort of the
you know, one last tip of the cap to the
crowd out of the dugout, it isn't gonna happen again exactly.
I mean it was. I remember Pete Sampras and that

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was before the accident. But Pete Sampras won his last
Grand Slam was a US Open where he was like
suddenly like the seventeen seed and somehow he had one
more miracle running went to US up and he walked away.
He almost felt like Tiger in some respects did walk away.
He hasn't really been competitive in any of the major
since that time. So when we talked about one more comeback,

(52:44):
I certainly would never discount it. But remember he's forty
five years old and so a comeback is when next
year and we still do not know the extent of
the injuries. Yeah, I look, this is I'm skeptical about
a comeback and and and I mean it's a significant one.
Will we ever see him on tour playing golf again?

(53:04):
That I don't think I wanted, doubtfully and entirely until
we have an idea of what these injuries and how
severe they were. We know preliminarily what they were, but
we have no idea how the recovery is going so far.
A lot of golfers visited him before the Masters said
he's looking well, he's in good spirits, he was up
for conversation, but that doesn't really give you an idea

(53:25):
of where he's at in the rehabilitation process. Will you
ever golf again? Maybe? Will you ever compete again? Will
ever be at the top of a leaderboard again? That's
where I have significant doubt. This was a very controversial year,
obviously in the state of Georgia, and the Masters was
in the middle of all of it. Let's say that
Tiger has competed in his last Masters Golf Championship. How

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relevant is the most famous golf tournament in the world
post Tiger, We're gonna tell you coming up next you're
listening to box Sports Steve Ironman and Rich Orangeburger. We're
at a um crossroads in our country where we want

(54:14):
to examine our history and in some people's minds, history
can never be forgiven ever, and if it was something
that they deemed was wrong, then we should erase it.
So we're seeing it creep into uh movies, we see

(54:38):
it in books. Um. I mean in some ways a
very dangerous situation because you're talking about a certain censorship
without really putting into context when this happened and times
do change, and the Masters was sort of faced with
that this week. There was I mean one of the
things I laughed out loud was in the week And

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by the way, Stamp Farmer, our buddy with the l
A Times, who's there. He was at Augusta this week
and he was laughing about the fact that one of
the first questions when Fred Realley, the chairman of the
Augusta National, was gonna address the meet on Wednesday, is
when are you moving the tournament out of Augusta. I mean,
this was the idea that, Okay, because of the controversy

(55:23):
with the new voting laws in the state of Georgia
that the Masters is gonna have to move, and you're like, okay,
I for people that aren't educated, there is no Masters
without Augusta National. Okay, the Masters is Augustin National, Agustin nationals.
The Masters without Augusta National, there is no Masters. You
can't suddenly move it to some different course and the

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expect that it's still the Masters. That doesn't work. So
I was anxious. I was, I was. I had just
finished my radio show Wednesday morning when he started to talk,
and I actually normally i'm I got things to do,
but I wanted to hear how he was going to
open up Fred really And the first thing he did
immediately was addressed the subject matter of the voting laws,

(56:06):
and he said that he was not in some board
of them, nor was Augusta National, and so in some
way he was able to diffuse it. There were some
reporters that were pressing some of the golfers. I heard
one reporter asked Phil Mickelson, do you have a hard
time playing in the Masters knowing the history of this tournament?
And Phil, you know, understands how to handle media questions, said, look,

(56:30):
I grew up in California, you know, like any young golfer,
you know, when I realized this is my passion. You know,
you dream of playing in the Masters. But I don't
understand voting laws. And George, I know what they are
in California, and we're very much progressive, and that we
wanted to have fair voting laws for everybody out there.
He was able to deflect the question. But it really

(56:51):
comes down to this. So as Augustin National done enough,
we had the ceremonial first team, shot Jack and Gary
were there, and there was Lee Elder. He wasn't physically
able to teach, but he was there and very emotional
about that opportunity. Is the first black golfer to playing
the Masters, to be part of that ceremony. But do

(57:12):
you believe, because I know this is a passion of
years rich, that the Masters is doing enough. Augusta National
is doing enough in doing not to undo their past,
because they can't undo their pass but are they doing
enough to say that we understand what our past was,

(57:34):
We've learned from our mistakes and we're going in a
different direction. Well, I I boil disputes down to more
personal levels, so I understand them better. Right, you know,
when when I do wrong, uh, and I know I've
done wrong, the first thing that I should do, and
that I try to do is admit it, you know,

(57:57):
to say, hey, you know, I understand I did something
wrong here. The second part of it is trying to reconcile.
The second part is trying to do better. The second
part is trying to improve and learn and do all
the things that can change outcomes. And then on the
other side of that, my hope is in any relationship

(58:17):
where I'm having a dispute, for there to be forgiveness
like that is the goal of any dispute is to
find uh steady footing again on the other side of
that dispute, to have both sides come together again and
feel good about progress moving forward. And maybe we're not
quite there yet with Augusta National, in this tournament altogether,

(58:37):
with the Masters, but I certainly, I certainly feel like
they've admitted there have been problems of the past. I
certainly feel like they understand how disenfranchise certain people felt
as a result of their actions in the past. And
I do see some of what they're trying to accomplish
to achieve forgiveness. Now everybody's stressed old for forgiveness is different, right,

(59:02):
you know, And that is a very personal decision to make.
Whether or not you're tuning in for the Masters this
weekend based off of their reaction to the controversial voting
laws in Georgia or their checkered past, that's completely up
to you. But I I think what what happens in
our personal relationships just isn't reflected enough in society because

(59:22):
I'm pretty quick to forgive, uh in my life. Like
when I when I truly feel somebody understands what they
did wrong or how they wronged me and are making
efforts to change or improve, I feel I feel like
I can get to the point of moving forward faster
than a lot of times it feels like society can
on different disputes. And I understand that's we're talking about

(59:45):
a gigantic battleship to turn. We're talking about everybody. We're
not just talking about one person. So I I don't
I don't know if there's a clear answer to the question, right,
have they done enough for me personally? The answers I mean,
I'm liking what I'm seeing. My My answer is I
love the direction they're heading in. They're they're allowing women

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to be a part of the country club now the
past members, not as spouses. They're they're generating uh charitable
donations for neighborhood colleges that support minority races, huge money,
and they're doing a lot better in identifying some of

(01:00:26):
the places that they've really fallen down in the past
and making strides for improvement. We should acknowledge that it's
difficult for golfers in particular, though, And I go back
to what Phil Mickelson said about you know, growing up
as a kid and you find that early passion for
this sport, and once you become aware of golf, you're

(01:00:48):
drawn to the masters. It is the goal, the dream
of every golfer, as your golfer, to get that invitation
in the mail. Has you've been invited to play in
the asked a young football player, my the super Bowl, right,
you know what I mean? We're talking about the super
Bowl of golf. This is the pinnacle. You've arrived, you've

(01:01:09):
made it, and you get the invitation. It's still a
formal invitation. I means they any time they get that
first invitation, they frame it Obviously I mean, I got
I got invited. I'm in. You know, I was listening
to one of the U S Amateur champion. None of
the three amateurs played this year actually made the cut, um,
but he was talking about play sitting in the Crow's nest.

(01:01:32):
You know, they have this little room that hasn't chained
forever where amateurs only stay in their first trip to
Augusta and then all the traditions and everything else. Well,
I mean, we seem to be in a society now
where we're just dispelling traditions. And some traditions aren't good,
but there are some traditions that are good, and it's
it's hard to put in perspective unless you really talk

(01:01:54):
to these like I had this relationship with Billy Casper,
the Lake Grade Hall of Famer. I'll share on the
other shide because to me, it really gave me even
more perspective of what it is about this tournament, in
particular the Masters, that makes it stand out for these golfers.
But right now, let's find out what's trending. David Gas guy, Yes,

(01:02:14):
he's a man of tradition, no question. You've got some traditions, yeah,
do you? I mean where where does the Master's stand
with you, David? I mean, does it have any real
mighty significance on your sports calendar or where? Where does
it stand with you? It's a fringe thing for me.
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, it's I mean, it's like

(01:02:35):
the Derby's. So basically you would equate the Masters who
let's say the Kentucky Derby would Yeah, I mean, I
just take that as as golf in general, though with
the majors. I'm not a I'm not a huge golf fan.
I understand, and you're you're, you're, you got a lot
of people supporting what you're saying right now. Yeah, it

(01:02:56):
falls in line for the Kentucky Derby obviously there it's
magnified through the Triple Crown at Stake Um. But that's
how I approach it. I mean, and it's Major League Baseball,
the NBA, the NFL, college football in the National Hockey League,
and then of course you got tennis to write like tennis,
you get your majors to come up. Yeah, Australian Open,

(01:03:16):
the French, you know, the whole nine yards. So yeah,
but I mean, watching today compared to yesterday, it's it's
a drastically different scene, and so I hope we get
a dramatic finish right like that's obviously even without tagger
and contention. You want some drama. You don't want to
run away. There will be drama the way. Then back
nine unfolds because of the eagle opportunities at thirteen and

(01:03:39):
fifteen waters and play at twelve and sixteen. I mean,
they're the course is laid out, some facts and then
as you get that pressure, well on the other side,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little insight from
some of that actually wore a green jacket what it
actually means to golf. Now, if Finastech wins this thing,
an will Rich drop two knees and start crying for

(01:04:02):
another week, I mean, no hitter first. Later Pottery History
Friday Night, Xander Chofle Sandy Stake, guys, Sanders spell an
honor of the late grade, DMXX, gonna give it to you, Yes,
you're gonna give it. Rest in peace. Decki Matsiami talf
In about ten minutes from now, he's your leaders at
minus eleven four strokes in front of second place. Major

(01:04:22):
League Baseball going on right now, raising Yankees Tampa leads
for three. Seattle and Minnesota deadlocked. Right now, there's no
score Brewers or three runs on the top of the
first thing, still going three runs on four hits. In fact,
they lead at St. Louis three not things to score
and that one Red Sox five one over the Baltimore Orioles.
Keep in mind they start off slowly to begin this
season with J. D. Martinez with a home run. This

(01:04:44):
contest NBA, no Tree Young today for the Atlanta Hawks.
It doesn't matter so far the leading the horn And
then guys, how about this for college football news. Former
Testi Titans running back at E. George heard to him. Yeah,
he's the new head coach of Tennessee State. WHOA how
about that? It's like Neon d I don't understand Eddie
has become a prolific actor. I absolutly didn't know that either. No,

(01:05:07):
Eddie is like performed on Broadway and everything else, and
kidnt know he got fully on into acting on Broadaway,
off Broadway or Broadway or I mean, but Eddie was
very serious about his acting career. I'm gonna look up
his acting I've and um, I'm I'm a little surprised

(01:05:28):
that he's abandoned that for an opportunity to coach at
Tennessee State. So is it all theater worker? Is he
doing films? It was mainly theater work, but he was
very much I saw an interview with Eddie. I've met
Eddie a few times. Great guy by the way, super guy. Um.
I talked about my obsession with the Heisman. He was
upset he was obsessed with my obsession with the heist.
Would be in a former Heisman winner, but no, he

(01:05:49):
got he put blown into acting everything else, all right.
I pull him up on IMDb first, first and foremost
that says Eddie's a libra. Yes, there, but I guess
he was in the Disney movie The game Plane. But
he's done. I mean, I'm talking about like stage Ack,
you're really getting serious about being an actor? Tell you

(01:06:10):
what the I mean? He was born in seventy three,
so how old is he was? There was a sixteen
eight Yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah, so he would look at
this picture. I mean he still looks like a very
young man that has held up. No, he's a good
looking guy. He's a big guy though, but that's the

(01:06:30):
whole thing. Giant running giant running back back in the day.
All right, um, I we're talking a little bit about
the Masters again. We're waiting for Matzi Yama and Xander
Shockley to tee off the final pairing of the day
just minutes away. So I was always curious about why
it is that the Masters, even amongst the majors, and
they're all significant obviously, uh, the Open, the US Open,

(01:06:54):
and obviously the p G A. But what is it
about the Masters? And Billy Casper was a Hall of
Fame golfer. He passed away in twenty but he had
roots in San Diego. So I would run into Billy
every once in a while. I was a wonderful man.
It was great talk to him and we could sort
of reminisce and Billy want to US Opens, Uh, anyone
of Masters? And so I asked him, so, what's the difference.

(01:07:16):
I mean, you won the U s Open. Some people
might think the US Open the most challenging of the
majors because of what they do to those courses and
they make it difficult just to shoot. Are He said,
let me tell you something, winning the Masters is everything
to the golf. I said, well, why is that? He said,
because once you win the Masters, it's everything that comes

(01:07:39):
along with being a Master's Champion. Doesn't matter what point
of your life you are in, whether you're still a
competitive golfer, you're just you know, in retirement. When you
show up as a Master's Champion at Augusta National, you
are treated like royalty. And that's their history, the Champions Dinner,
everything about it. So the funny story about Billy Casper

(01:08:02):
was so, you know, you see these guys like Larry
miz is still out there. I think he shot eighty
four in the opening round at some point, you know,
Big Crenshaw's last when he was like eighty four at
some point that they don't put a limit on it,
but they almost did. They almost put an age limit
on it because of Billy Casper. An amazing story. So
in two thousand one, Billy was almost seventy and he

(01:08:25):
was still out there, you know, shooting a couple of
rounds in the eighties. He's not doing any harm, but
he finally decided that I'm done. So for the next
three years he's showing up at the Masters, he's at
the Champions Dinner, but he's he's not playing anymore. And
even some guys were carrying the next step where they
would maybe tee off for a couple of holes and
then the media would draw. Just you know, get a

(01:08:46):
couple of holes in and then just get out of there.
But four years after he played what everyone thought was
his last time, he was at the Champions dinner and
he said, you know, I started feel good, maybe I'll play.
I'm gonna go play, And again a lot of people
thought he would he played a couple of holes. He
doesn't play a couple of holes. He plays a full

(01:09:08):
eight team that day. Now you won't find this in
the official record books, but everyone that saw him knows
exactly what he shot that day. He shot a one
oh six. Whoa, he shot a one oh six, including
a fourteen on number sixteen. He had four in the
water at sixteen. Now, the reason it's on the record

(01:09:29):
books he never signed the car, so officially it goes
down as a w D withdraw. But he played a
full eight teen and he shot what is the highest
score ever ever and then I guess he shot a
one oh six, and there was so much backlash about it.
It's like, you've got you can't have these old guys
out there. But the Masters thought about it for a while,

(01:09:51):
maybe we should put an age restriction like sixty sixty
five at the tops. But then they decided, you know,
Arnold Palmer, he played in fifty Masters, exactly fifty. He
didn't make the cut, probably the last twenty five of those,
but his just walking around his place in the Master's history.
They decided to know, We're just we're gonna leave it
up to the golfers if they want to continue to play.

(01:10:13):
That stup to them if they don't feel competitive, like
Nick Faldo hasn't played in years, he could still probably play.
And you know, um, but those are the traditions that
they preserve at the Masters for those who play the
sport for a living. Why this tournament is just a
notch above the rest. Well, you know, and and and
here's the deal again, like certain traditions, like you said,

(01:10:36):
are good traditions. I actually happened to think that's a
really nice, quaint tradition that they should hang onto, regardless
of how high some of these old timers are scoring
on the course. I think it's fine. I mean, it's
not harming anybody. Some of the other traditions obviously, uh,
singling out a certain gender or race or what that stuff.

(01:10:58):
I mean obviously needed change, and I'm glad that they've
made efforts to change those things. Right again, like very similar.
I I think about societal issues and I boiled them
down to in my mind a personal like, I mean,
my own personal traditions, right, some of them. I'm sure
some people would look down upon my wife took my

(01:11:20):
last name. There are a lot of women who no
longer take their husband's last name. In fact, there are
certain husbands who hyphenate their last name because it's a union. Right,
things are changing, But my wife took my last name.
Now do we have a marriage set? By the way,
that's not an easy last name. No, that's attempting, you know,
how to actually spell the name? She did the first

(01:11:42):
time she actually wrote out. I think it's all because
when Anne Ornberger did, was it hard for her to
actually take out the name. It's the worst. It is
the worst last name to give to an elementary school
kid or somebody. The O h are that to me
is missing. It's not good. It's not good. But but
I mean, make your hand look different than you are.

(01:12:05):
You know what if I showed you mine? You do
a scribble. It's a scribble. It's you can tell there's
an it's an oh, and there are some loops in there.
But let's be honest. What it is never what's the
last time we actually wrote out, you know, handwriting the
full name, like maybe maybe on an admission form, like

(01:12:26):
you know what I mean, where you're writing block capital exactly.
But my point, my point is, you know, you know
your wife takes your last name, but obviously she's not
subservient to me, like that tradition is gone. We have
an egalitarian marriage. My point is, like certain traditions, her
son's carry on your name, and that's I think she
does it for that reason, and I and and whatever

(01:12:46):
our reasons are, we thought that was a good tradition
to hold onto. There are many from the past that
in our marriage we're not going to hang on to.
But again, this is the same thing with any private
business or any private enterprise. They're gonna have traditions that
rub some people the wrong way, that obviously are disagreeable
with some people, but certainly they're going to be some

(01:13:07):
that they're going to change as a result. So I
I I think, I think again, you know, we're concentrating
on society's impact in sport and sports impact on society,
and there's a lot of intermingling going on, especially now
this has been happening a lot. We saw the boycott's
in the NBA bubble, Uh, we see uh the MLB

(01:13:28):
All Star Game moving away from Georgia to be in
Denver this year for voting laws. Everybody is free to
make their own decisions, but certain certain private enterprises are
going to make their own decisions. Keep their own traditions
in check. And you could decide whether or not you
it's agreeable to you or not, but that's a personal decision,
all right. Check in later board. John rob got another

(01:13:50):
birdie at eight, so he's at the turn and he's
at minus four, but again still seven shots back, so
he would need to do a miracle at this point.
With Zala Trus just playing in his first Masters, there's
only been I mean, the first two Masters winners don't
really count, as you know, winning in their debut Fuzzy
z l nineteen nine and in legitimately the first guy

(01:14:13):
ever to play, and when the Masters, in his first attempt,
salat Taurus has just birdie the first hole, so he
is now four session of second places eight under three
shots back of Mazziama, who's about to tea off funny
story about Zala trus So. He has this kind of
scrawny blonde hair flowing out of the back of a
golf that was listed at six two one six. People

(01:14:36):
compared him when he was first starting out golfing to
um Billy Madison's caddy in the movie or not Billy Madison. Uh,
Happy Gilmore's caddy in the movie. And so it's stuck
and so much so that on his sixty degree wedge
he has it engraved with Mr Gilmore, I'm your caddy. Well,

(01:14:58):
I'll tell you what I mean. Don't count him out.
He tied for six in the US Open last year.
This is his first Masters. Uh and you know, you
would think all the nerves are gonna get to this kid.
You can't even find around the Masters. But at least
for the first hole he's looking good at he is
part Bertie the first hole. So he's now three shots back.
Vince what he got for us? So Adam Sandler actually

(01:15:18):
tweeted something that about that out. He says, have fun today,
young man. Mr Gilmore is watching you and very proud. Wow, wow, alright,
very good. All right. So we're talking some traditions right now.
I want to go to a different sport and a tradition,
uh and and holding up tradition whether it's imperative for
certain sport to do so, or is it time for

(01:15:40):
this sport to go in a whole different direction? What
is that sport you're gonna find out coming up next?
Don't listening to Fox Sports Steve Harman and Rich Hornburger.
I guess what will zalatorus? Just Bertie the second hole
so backed up Ac Bernies has brought him to nine

(01:16:02):
under par, and before Matzi Yama and Zander Shoffley te
off final pairing, which is in a matter of seconds,
Zala Taurus, the Master's rookie, is now just two shots
out of the lead. So we'll keep an eye on
what is going to be an interesting afternoon at the Masters.
We've been talking a little bit about tradition, and there's

(01:16:24):
one sport that really finds itself in a catch twenty
two and I'm talking about Major League Baseball. Major League Baseball.
When you when you hear the selling point about major
League baseball and how it survived a hundred and fifty
plus years. It's the idea of a tradition that's handed

(01:16:45):
down generation from generation, your great grandfather to your grandfather
to your father to the son, and and and this
is this has always been the selling point with baseball,
is about tradition and handed down from generation to generation.
And that's certainly from the era that I grew up in,
very much what baseball was. But I also recognized this

(01:17:07):
as I look at my sons their interests. My younger
son is more of a sports fan than my older son,
but there's no real passion for baseball, none at all,
and there's nothing I can do about it. As a father.
I can share stories, but unless they're interested in the stories.
And believe it or not, they actually are interested in
some stories I tell, but not related to baseball. Yeah,

(01:17:30):
that's understandable. Okay, so because you know, I love to
tell stories when no one's interested, like my Billy Casper
story probably, but that was actually very I just I
try to make it as interesting as I could anyway,
So baseball is really in a catch twenty two rich
because what they're trying to do is generate some kind
of interest from people that are not interested, namely a

(01:17:52):
much younger demographic without totally alienating their core audience that
is sold on base ball because there's no clock or
there's none of the restrictions of time that we see
in other sports. So one of the things that baseball
carried over from last year because they didn't carry over

(01:18:12):
the uh no d H in the National League at
least for one more year, or the expanded playoffs. But
this runner on second base to start the tenth Any
traditionalists hate this rule, but baseball is still trying to
figure out, how do we shorten these games right there?
Too long? Where do you stand on that in this sense?

(01:18:34):
Because I know you you you follow baseball, but you
don't live in breathe base No, no, no, no, I don't.
I will say this since moving to San Diego and
buying Padres stock extremely low. When I started watching the Padres,
it was back in s I'm talking about in earnests,
not really missing games all that much. And they were bad,

(01:18:56):
and they were real bad. They were really really bad,
and so I had to gut it out for a
couple of years, not nearly as long as a long
suffering fan base, but a couple of years until they
turn this thing around and built up a farm and
brought in some high paid free agents, and they're they're
chasing players that you have interested seen, absolutely Machado and
Fernando Tatis Jr. And many others. But getting back to

(01:19:18):
the point you were just making, Yeah, I I I
understand where you're heading with this, and I understand where
baseball is heading with this. There are traditionalists who are
going to hate any change, so you're gonna have to
find a way to appease them and keep them. But
there are also fans that you're missing out on keeping
all of these old aspects of the game in place.
It is a very slow paced game. I mean, we're

(01:19:41):
just talking about the Padres. You Darvis is a new picture.
That guy takes his time. You know you're in for it.
So here's here's something people may not know since not
just the last couple of years. Since there is a
clock on pitches in the minor leagues. There's a twenty
second clock and it works. Should they incorporate because in

(01:20:02):
other words, these young pictures, they're used to a clock
because that's what they've experienced at the minor league level.
Should that carry over and would that make a difference
at the major league level. Look even this runner on
second and start extras. I I like change to see
if it works. I'm not convinced that it's working, but
you know what, let's see where fewer, longer game two

(01:20:23):
years of data looks like. On the other side of
this decision, I think that the d H in the
National League worked last year. I would have loved to
see it this year with some more consistency, you know,
as opposed to maybe seeing it again next year. But
I like changes when you you have new data, and
sometimes that data works out where you say, oh, yeah,
that really did work, and sometimes you can say definitively
it did not. But so yeah, something like the pitch clock,

(01:20:46):
I say do it. I say do it. Incorporate it,
even if it's just for a season or two, just
so we have the data, just so we can see
if it works at the major league level, and then
make your decision. All right, we're watching mazzia are right
now on a on the first green. He's got a
long put and I'm not sure if this was for

(01:21:07):
par or if this is for a birdie. Either way,
he may Oh how the golfers live with this you know,
near inches all the time. All right, we'll update you
more on the Masters, and we're gonna get back to
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(01:21:29):
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s R to listen live. Well, for many of it's
Matsa Yama with that four shot lead thinging, oh man,
this could be a runaway final round of the Masters
that didn't happen. The lead is one and he's only
played one hole. So the idea that suddenly that leaderboards

(01:21:52):
looking a whole lot more interesting. Right now? This is
how the Masters operates, you know, you just the golf
gods have something about this place saying, yeah, well, we're
gonna give you. We're gonna give you some drama. You
need it because you don't have Tiger. You take Tiger
out of the equation. How are you going to get
eyeballs on this tournament? The only way that's gonna happen.
It's all of a sudden, you get to that back

(01:22:12):
nine and there's a bunch of guys, a bunch at
the top, all searching for that green jacket. Then he
gets some eyeballs on the yeah. Well, and and then
also just think about entering the day as a leader,
especially if you've never done that in the final round
out of Masters, even if you have a commanding lead. Maziyama,
I mean four strokes, five strokes is a nice lead.

(01:22:33):
It's not commanding. And it takes one slip up and
one excellent hole by one of these guys who are
just a tick down the leaderboard to make this more interesting.
And that's exactly what's happened. And right now you have
mazi Yama ten under, Zala Torus at nine under, and
then that's followed up by Xander Shofley at seven under

(01:22:55):
in third place, and he's playing with uh mazi Yama
in that final parings. So we'll continue update you on
the Masters. Were also getting an early jump on the
NFL draft, which is only, by the way, a couple
of weeks away here where we do our show in
Los Angeles. I was laughing when I when I drive

(01:23:17):
into l A and I see these billboards with Matthew
Stafford on the billboards, Stafford's here, and I'm thinking, how
does that resonate in l A. You know, it's not
like Lebron's just showed up. Basically, you're putting billboards up
of a guy who has a losing record as a
quarterback in his NFL career over a decade, and you're

(01:23:37):
trying to sell that to l A. Thinking, Stafford's here, Okay,
a guy that's never won a single playoff game, and
you're selling point is Stafford is here? I can tell
you right now in l A, Matthew Stafford has zero cash.

(01:23:58):
Now he may develop that, he may go out and
win a Super Bowl with the Rams. That might be
on the horizon. But to try to sell Stafford's here
in l A in a city like Lebron, come in
l A. You could sell that, Okay, that that's a
sell uh Stafford, it is not a selling point. Well,

(01:24:18):
let's put it this way. I mean, you gotta sell
what you have to to offer, right you know what
I mean. If you're a hot dog company trying to
promote yourself in a vegan or vegetarian defensive player in
the league in Aaron Donald, I mean, shouldn't he still
be your face? There? Look, there's no question, but there
is a certain level of excitement around the fact that

(01:24:40):
there's belief in certain circles, and I'm in one of them,
that this team got a lot better with the addition
of Matthew Stafford. I I honestly to me, let's see,
if you were talking to an l A audience trying
to givince everybody that Matthew Stafford is just gonna be
a major upgrade from a quarterback who, by the way,
did get you to a super Bowl in Jaried, Gov.

(01:25:03):
How do you sell it? Well, we're talking about two
different things in the l A market, and a lot
of people listening to us may or may not be
aware of this, but this is a difficult market to
penetrate from an NFL standpoint, and there's still there's still
a challenge you have. You have deep rooted interests in
the Dodgers and the Lakers, and that goes years back

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with with many postseason visits and championships and recent ones
by both of those teams, the NFL has been an
afterthought for twenty years while it's been away, and nobody,
by the way, being part of this market during that
entire run. You know, many calls I got from people saying, Hartman,
when are we gonna get the NFL back? That would
be zero right there. There is something about this market

(01:25:46):
where you definitely have interest in baseball, you definitely have
interest in basketball, but the NFL, it's it's divided. You know,
you're you're not. There's no allegiance to one team there.
It's such a transient audience also, but the Chargers are
the Rams for that matter, trying to win over this
market now saying like whatever variety of pitches, we are

(01:26:08):
l A's team, or you know, Stafford's here now, and
so it's all good. It's it's just not gonna resonate.
But what does resonate with me is the type of
player that Matthew Stafford is now. From a marketing standpoint,
player it doesn't do you a lot of good. But
from an on the field performance standpoint, Matthew Stafford's a
better quarterback than Jared Goff. But what do you always

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make of the stat about Matthew Stafford again, any plays
with arguably the most miserable organization in the NFL, the
Detroit Lions, that he has only one literally it's like
ten or eleven games. Ever, in he is twelve year
career as an NFL quarterback against teams that actually finished
that season in which he played them with a record

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of better than five. When when I look at Matthew,
when he was surrounded with some good talent offensively, with
the decent offensive and the best receiver in the league,
yeah he had success. And then even without those players,
he still had success. Now, individual success does not equate
team success. And also you could say, well, a lot

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of those yards and a lot of those touchdowns were
in games where they were out of it in the
defense they were playing against. We're in pre event, and
all those arguments are sound. Those are fine. But there
are a lot of quarterbacks who go into a shell.
There are a lot of quarterbacks who when their team's bad,
they're bad. There are a lot of quarterbacks who don't
elevate the team in any way regardless. And I this

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guy has a talented arm, this guy's got a great
brain as far as reading defenses and finding the right
place to go with the football. This guy also has
been completely victimized by the franchise he was drafted to.
They never built a winner around him. They never have
really attempted in any great way to find a to

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build a winner around. Think about it his Hall of
Fame receiver Calvin Johnson quick because basically, like Barry Sanders
before him, just I don't want to lose that. I'm tired.
I'm tired. I don't want to lose anymore. Now. Don't
get me wrong. They made it to the postseason, was
it once or twice while Megatron was on the team,
But even still they didn't even win outside the first round.

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But but again, getting back to the point, Matthew Stafford
is an upgrade from Jared Goffin. While that may not
resonate from a marketing standpoint in Los Angeles, I think
the position has been upgraded, and they're they're they're trying
to make what noise they can in the off season
about it. This is also an offensive league. As much
as we want to tout an interior defensive lineman as

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impressed as I am with Aaron Donald, and trust me,
I am as a former offensive lineman Aaron Donald. Thinking
about thinking about putting on my pads and going against
a guy like Aaron Donald gives me diarrhea. It makes
my stomach hurt like I would never want to do
that ever. Ever. Ever, the guy's far too talented. It
makes me miserable thinking about it. But do defensive tackles

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really resonate No, not really. Yeah. I mean if if
he was an outspoken guy like I don't know, and
Odell Beckham Jr. Or Connor McGregor or some other sports
stars who have kind of elevated themselves at different moments,
yeah maybe, But he's not. He's more of this this quiet, reserved,
just absolute fantastic baller on the football field type. And

(01:29:22):
that doesn't mark it. Well, so I get it. They're
they're they're pulling on the strings they think they have
to pull on from a marketing stamp. Well, again, it
brings back the the idea of what we talked about
the very start of the show when we were talking
about Belichick and a couple of bad years can change
the whole dynamic, And it's certainly changed the dynamic as
far as quarterbacks for the Rams. They just gave go
Off a huge contract extension after leading the team to

(01:29:45):
the Super Bowl. He had back to back really good
years and then he took a step backwards and that
was that. And not only think about what they did.
They gave him and two once to get Matthew Stafford,
the guy who was owen three all times. That's not
how it went down. They gave up him right that
which they or excuse me, they paid the Lions a

(01:30:08):
first rounder to get Matthew Stefford. But then they also
paid them another first rounder to unburden them of Jared
Goff's salary. But that's the whole point it was. In
other words, they were so desperate to get rid of
golf and what they were on the books for his salary,
that they paid a team to take him in draft picks,
not for eight quarterback who has a career losing record.

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Now again, don't get too caught I know you do,
and I know you like that stat attached to quarterbacks,
But don't get too caught up in wins and losses
on a quarterback. What else? I mean? You gotta be
well And do you know that I'm not saying it's unprecedented.
I saw what Jim pluggett Ye, Jim Pluckett resurrected his career.
He was a loser in New England. He was so

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bad with the forty niners. They gave up a boatload
to get him. They just released him. He was done.
He sat on the bench. And this happens more often
than you think. I'm more often than you're giving a
crap Carson Homer with Arizona Cardinals. I look, it happens.
It happens. You have a guy, you mean he has
good health and health of his team that we're going

(01:31:10):
to see a completely different Matthew Stafford in a Rams uniform.
I'm saying in terms of wins and loss, I'm saying
he's a better quarterback than Jared Goff. And the Rams
have a better chance of having success with Matthew Stafford
than they did with Golf. I support the decision to
move on from Golf. I think that the Rams. Here's
what I can say with some confidence. I think the

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Rams are going to be in the playoff picture this year.
I think they're going to be one of these simmering
backburner stories early in the season in the NFC. And
it's gonna get real come December. People are gonna be like,
oh wow, the Rams. The Rams could be a part
of this conversation. I really think they will. All Right,
I'm gonna I'm talking to a guy who has had
quarterbacks hands between your legs. Yes, okay, I mean, I

(01:31:55):
guess if you really want to distill it to the
bare elements that you have a certain of see with
quarterbacks that the normal person does not have. Is that
safe to say? You know what, more than any other person,
maybe including myself, I've had quarterbacks hands where the sun
don shot. So will you say that I mean, and
that there's a lot of trust. There's a lot of

(01:32:15):
trust that goes into that. Because the reason I bring
this up on the other side, I really want to
get to because this obsession with quarterbacks, as we head
to the NFL Draft, we have the potential this year, folks,
of something that happened that's never happened in the history
of the NFL Draft. Let's started in ninety six that
the first four picks in the draft could be quarterbacks.
We've had three, but never four. So ultimately, what is

(01:32:40):
the deciding factor from someone that knows intimately all about quarterbacks?
Will find out? Coming up next me, you're listening to
Fox Sports Steve Harman, Rich Hornburger. All right, we got
some action going on with the masters right now. So
after OGA in the first hole, hee, Ma'm a Birdie

(01:33:03):
the second. Everyone's Birdie in the second today. Xander Schaffl
playing with Mazzi, I'm also birdie the second, so he
has three shots back Zala Trus after going birdie, Birdie
went bogey at three. He just parted the fourth, so
he's an eight hunter. So Mazzi I'm a three shot
lead over Zalaturus and Shaffl. Like Corey Conners the Canadian

(01:33:25):
but a hole and one yesterday. Uh is at seven
under par so keeping her eye on what's going on
in the Masters. Today. We're also talking about the upcoming
NFL draft, and in particular what is always the main
focus of any NFL draft, and that is the quarterback position.
Richard couple of years ago we were talking about the

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combine and and by the way, no combine this year.
He got these pro days, and you know that's a
mixed bag. I mean, we I don't know how you
judge these guys because it's not an equal playing field. Um,
we've always be yeah, with the variety of forty times
we're seeing come in just absolutely blowing the doors off
of position, justin fields run of four four apparently, Um,

(01:34:11):
those those Ohio State forty times they're always really quick
over there, fast, Yeah, and I always I've I've said
the story before, the great Ricky Williams Heisman Trophy winner
out of Texas, and everyone knew he would go high
in the draft, and he was from the San Diego area,
so he had a pro day. Yeah, and every single
NFL scout was there knowing he's gonna be a top
five pick. So there's guys there that obviously have no

(01:34:34):
shot at drafting him, but they went because it was
San Diego, get away and get a little golf in
And it was a completely overcast day and I went
to it. All these guys are bitching a moaning, came
out the way out of here and and they're so
they're running, They're running Ricky on these forty times right now.
All I got their introvidual and then he'd run the

(01:34:55):
four What did you get? What did you get? What
you get? And I'm like, what is this? I mean,
this is this is some kind of joke listing about
the guy was just there for four years of Texas. Okay,
it's it's I think you've got enough tape to see
whether this guy could play at the next level. But
but That's the thing too, because you can look at
some of these college players and say, there is that's
a no brainer. That guy is gonna have a ten
year career, he's gonna win a Super Bowl, he's gonna

(01:35:17):
be you know, NFL MVP one day, and then somehow
they flame out at the next level. It is such
an inexact science. And so when we are evaluating talent
individually as as fans of the game, uh, watching a
college prospect go through his career and then projecting where
he might land or whether you have some you know,

(01:35:38):
quote unquote expertise in this. You're doing it for a
team as a scout, you're doing it as a member
of the media, and that is your your whole assignment
is evaluating draft prospects. Everybody gets it wrong. And the
reason why is because the game is as much mental
as it is physical, and at the college level, as

(01:35:59):
complex as things get from high school to college, there's
no doubt that there is a jump in how much
you need to know about what the defense is doing
to you, about what the offense is doing to you.
It is still more of a physical game than a
mental game. When you get to the pro game and
I'm telling you from experience, the game becomes so much

(01:36:19):
more mental. You need to know what's happening on every
single snap, and the moment you have just a mental error,
the moment that you have some sort of laps, it
just all falls down because you're counting on eleven people
on both sides of the ball do everything right on
every play. NFL Draft, we had our buddy Alex Marvez

(01:36:40):
on during the combine and the three quarterbacks that everyone
was talking about in that draft where Jared Goff, Carson Wentz,
and Paxton Lynch. That's right, So those are the three
main quarterbacks that we're all being projected as first round picks,
and of course Goff ended up going one, Wentz went
to Lynch. Of course you turned out to a complete

(01:37:00):
bust at number twenty six for the Broncos. So I
remember bringing Marvez on because he was at the combine
and I said, so are any of these quarterbacks speaking
of Golf or Wins or Lynch or any of these
guys blowing you away? He said, well, not exactly, and
and he's been around a long time. So I said,
you know, Alex, I know you. Do you see any

(01:37:23):
quarterback out there that you say may have the it factor,
that that's something that tells you this guy's got what
it takes. He goes, actually, there is a quarterback here,
and like, well, who is that is it? Is it
one of the three guys. It's not those guys. Who
is it? He goes, it's Dak Prescott, the Mississippi State quarterback.

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Because as a junior, remember they were ranked number one
for a while, but he sort of fell off the
radar senior year and I'm like, really, so what do
you see? He goes, He just looks like he belongs.
He has that certain presence about him. So, as it
turned out, Dak Prescott was the one player taken in
that draft and engineered what I still believe, even with

(01:38:08):
all the success Justin Herbert had, uh statistically, at least
at the time, was the greatest Orkie season ever by
a quarterback in the NFL. We know where Dak Prescott
is now, and it was a little bit of a
surprise similar to Justin Herbert him getting his start, because
if you remember, there are multiple injuries in front of him.
Tony Romo, the backup I forget his name, got hurt,
uh and so and enter Dak Prescott, and it started

(01:38:31):
his tenure as the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys
and they haven't looked back since. But he had the
in fact. And that's why I want to get with you,
because you you've played with the best ever Tom Brady.
You played with great quarterbacks like Philip Rivers. But you
you played with a lot of quarterbacks that are mere
footnotes in NFL history. So when we when we when

(01:38:52):
we keep getting with these NFL drafts and looking for
the quarterback that has that in fact that that will
translate into leading a franch eyes to the ultimate goal,
which is to win a championship. Is there any way
to detect that? Is there anything that you've seen in
the quarterbacks that have been successful you played with as
opposed to the also rans, Because we know they have
talent that we know they can all throw a football,

(01:39:13):
they've all been playing at a certain level for high
school college to get to the NFL. What separates them,
what separates them to me, is a deep understanding of
what's happening to them, like not so much what they
have to control that needs to be automatic, like being
able to throw deep out, being able to find the
steam route when it comes open. Being able to throw

(01:39:35):
a tight window football, having the arm strength to fit
into those tight windows, all those things that has to
be automatic. Having the fundamental mechanics to deliver the ball
quickly in the pocket. All of that stuff is the
stuff that we all see and where we admire for
a second because you play with two guys Brady and
Rivers that weren't the best athletes exactly, but they knew

(01:39:57):
how to navigate the pocket well. And here's the all
of that again that has to be automatic. Can't they
can't even think about that. The part of the game
that is unique about of Philip Rivers and a Tom
Brady and Drew Brees and a Painton Manning and and
Aaron Rodgers and all of the greats is they diagnose
what the defense is doing to them. That is the

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most important part of what a quarterback does is pre
snap diagnosis of what the defense is doing, how they're
going to roll coverage, whether they're gonna stay, and what
they're showing and presenting, who's blitzing, what safety is covering,
what linebacker or potentially what receiver is going to be
covered by what linebacker getting out of the boxes, pressure

(01:40:41):
coming from this side this side, and understanding how your
protection picks things up, who's the hot route. All that
stuff is a study of of cause and effect. Because
I saw this safety do this, I know that X,
Y or Z is happening. Because this man win in
motion and the defense adjusted this way, I know that X,

(01:41:01):
Y or Z is going to happen. It's all the
pre snap diagnosis. The players who had the best understanding
of the universe of football they were playing in were
the ones who had the most success. We talked about
the definition of a leader. A leader is someone who
inspires others to follow. That is the definition of a leader.
You can't just say you're a leader. You have to

(01:41:23):
whatever it is about you by example, by your demeanor,
whatever it is you have to to be a leader.
True leader inspire others to follow you. So when you're
a quarterback in the NFL, you're expected to be that leader,
and you can go about it different ways. You could
be the holler guy, you could be the kick the

(01:41:44):
button guy, or you could just be a guy who
plays with a conviction. I mean, Philip Rivers was that
kind of guy for you. His dedication, his absolute over
the top dedication to playing the game, playing the game right,
doing the homework, everything else. That kind of work ethic

(01:42:05):
was the inspiration that made him, in your eyes, a
great Later, I would imagine Brady was very much the
same way. Yeah, well, what you're talking about first and
formost again, if you're going to be a successful quarterback,
that leadership role has got to be part of the equation.
We'll look at any great CEO or company builder, right,
if there's one thing that's pretty much and I'm talking

(01:42:26):
about founders more than CEOs. Some guys are CEOs in
name only, right, they get hired by board of directors.
People are doing favors. But when you have a true
savant founder of a company who then leads it into
a bright future, it is this unbelievable personal sacrifice to
drive the business forward, Like every waking hour is committed

(01:42:50):
to that, that singular focus of bringing whatever this project,
product or project to market and making it the best
in its Brady when he went to Tampa, from the
day he signed with the Bread the Buccaneers, he made
it clear, we're gonna win a chance. All those players
saw a sacrifice. How much of his personal life that

(01:43:10):
he sets aside and creates this culture of sacrifice where
everybody wants to buy in as big as he did.
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(01:43:36):
dot Com. Alright, and the other side, we're gonna check
in with our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John Paul
mo Rosie. But right now, let's find out what's trending
and was Welcome back, Mr David Gascon And things are
getting interesting at the Masters. Feel good about it? Right? Yeah,
for a second there, Matsa Yama was down to one
shot late and he's got up to three again, your
your your voice went to that and flex your rate

(01:43:59):
of panic for a second. Golf golf. Yeah, it's like,
you know, maybe not here in l A, but in
other parts of the country, if you're in traffic, you're
you're obliged to speed up listening to how you're presenting that.
It's like he was on the on the edge. He
was I don't know, I just I I have to
I'm watching the mask. No, you're a little bit. We're

(01:44:21):
here doing a show, but I watched the mask. This
is this is as good as it gets right now,
be honest with its. Yeah. Right now he's got a
two stroke lead. And the guy that's come on strong
Jordan's speed right now, speed is at minus nine Matsi
Yama just two strokes in front of him as it stands.
So he is your leader, leader of the pack right now.
Still plenty of time ago and this thing though, fund

(01:44:42):
around action there at the Master's Atlanta Hawkston feed the
Hornets today one of five, one on one. Tree Young
did not play in this ball game, but they still
got the job done. Celtics and Nuggets in away from Denver.
Michael Porter Jr. Has got nine points in the first
quarter Denver by twelve. Already twenty five to thirteen. Major
League Baseball Red Sox. They are hammering the Oriels ten
four is accounting this ballgame. G D Martinez a home

(01:45:05):
run in the contest, raised fourth three, leader of the
New York Yankees. Nothing dune just yet between Kansas City
and the Chicago White Sox. Twins for nothing over the
Seattle Mariners, Your Padres and Rangers underway. There's no score
just yet, and right now Padres are being no hit.
It's only the third day, all right, right, let's site panic.
I'm just very very good. Um all, thank you very much.

(01:45:28):
Say well, we'll check in with you a little bit
later on. By the way, Iowa, Sam, could you get
that call out at the end of that pod raise
no hitter? Don our solo the one we played yesterday
doing that call because I would like to I would
like to bring on right now. Man that works a
number of jobs. He is our Fox Sports Radio MLB
Insider works with the MLB Network, where so the NHL Network.

(01:45:50):
John Paul Morossy JP is join us right now. You
got that sound bite right now? Keep finding that sound
by JP. How are you today? I'll stand and uh,
Happy first week of the baseball season to you and
certainly to any Padre fans listening. Happy no hitter day
for your native of the San Diego area, Joe Musco

(01:46:12):
of what an amazing story he is for the franchise.
And if you're looking for a sign, if you're a
Padre fan, looking for a sign that maybe you can
topple the mighty Dodgers this season, I would say a
no hitter from your native son would fit that description.
It took eight thousand, two hundred and six games for
this to happen. Trouble the short stop first get their

(01:46:37):
first hitter hit. The history of the franchise locks to
San Diego on Joe Mustro sending faithful dozing. That's such
a great call there by donn Arcillo. He captured the
moment right sending into a frenzy. I mean, I mean
that is that was really one of the remarkable stats ever.

(01:46:57):
You know, having you know, worked in and out of
the Sandy Go market for so much long, how is
it possible their franchise, who by the way, has been
no hit ten times, could have gone since nineteen sixty
nine without a no hitter. It just seemed crazy eventually, right,
But but this must and by the way, can I

(01:47:19):
just jump on Joe musgro because he is the pitcher
of the moment. His last four starts, his last two
starts with Pittsburgh last year and his first two starts
for the Padres this year, he hasn't allowed to run.
He had seven shutout innings in his last start in Pittsburgh.
The previous starts six shutout innings. He had a shutout
six innings and his first star as a padre, and

(01:47:41):
then he just threw a no hitter. Is this a
guy who suddenly we should have on the radar as
as an emerging pitching star in Major League Baseball? We
should He's an all star level player. He's always had,
guys and all star level arm velocity has always been
strong from the standpoint of the fast part. Think the
command and the quality of his secondary pitches has just

(01:48:04):
improved over time, and he's now flourishing as the picture
that he's always had the potential to be. I think
right now you obviously put him in the All Star conversation.
If he keeps this up for another month, all of
a sudden he's in those first half Cy Young conversations.
Corbyn Burns and Brandon woodwork there in Milwaukee part of
that mix as well. But I love I love his professionalism.

(01:48:27):
I think back, guys, years ago. I'm not sure if
I've ever told you the story before, but years ago,
he was with the Astros and they had just trained
for Justin Verlander, and I remember we had an MLBN
Fox game there late in the season, and I was
in Houston and so I'm there and watching as Justin
Verlander gets ready to go through his routine and have

(01:48:48):
his start. So I'm down in the in the camera well,
getting ready for for the game, and I all of
a sudden see Joe Musgrove come out instead in full uniform.
So it was not Musgrove's day to pitch, it was
Verlander's data pitch and Joe is out in full of uniform,
like forty five minutes before the game starts. I'm thinking
to myself, did something happen with Verlander? What's going on? Is?
Is Joe going to pitch? And Joe is a very

(01:49:09):
friendly guy, as as you probably already know. He just
walks over to me, Hey, John, how's it going? So
we just started talking. I was like, well, sorry, did
something happened to Justin? Are you gonna Are you gonna
pitch today? He said no, I just want to watch
what Justin does. I want to watch his routine. So
Joe left the clubhouse well before any other player would have,
and he came out there for the sole purpose of
studying with Justin ver Leonard did before the game, and

(01:49:31):
to watch every single thing Justin went through in his
pregame routine, and I've never forgotten that that was four
years ago. I have never forgotten watching Joe do that
as a true student of the game, and I remember
making a mental note back then to say, when you
got the stuff that he has got, and you have
the humility and the presence of mind to say that
you have a future Hall of Famer who has now
come to your team, and I'm going to literally shadow

(01:49:53):
him as he does everything in the bullpend before the
game and learn from the way he goes about it.
I've never forgotten watching Joe do that. Of course it's
two teams later, but he's really applying that knowledge that
he had from watching justin, from watching all those conversations,
all those games, to go along with the raw material
that he's had his arm. You're now seeing the result
of all those years of study, you know, and and
we all are all the composite of our prior experiences.

(01:50:17):
So hopefully it continues in that direction, because what we
saw obviously two nights ago was incredible. Um talking about
another All Star pitcher, Trevor Bauer is sort of the
face of this new point of emphasis for Major League
Baseball to crackdown on the use of foreign substances from
a pitching standpoint, A couple of balls are recovered from

(01:50:38):
his last start with the Dodgers, and they're being examined,
and he's being investigated, and he's been outspoken not only
about his innocence but also attacking members of the media. You,
being a member of the baseball media, what did you
think of all this? Well, there's a lot of leaders
to this, Rich and I'm glad you brought it up,

(01:50:59):
because number one, Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager, was correct
when he said that he wants to make sure that
that this is not a case of MLB specifically targeting
the Los Angeles Dodgers. And I think he's right. And
first of all, Dave Roberts was right to cover for
his player in that respect, and he's right in assessing
that this is a league wide initiative to basically gather

(01:51:23):
information as it relates to foreign substances on baseballs. This
is not a Dodgers thing. This is not a Trevor
Bauer thing. From what I was told, there are multiple
different UH teams and and pictures for whom the baseballs
of their outings were taken out of play and are
being examined, and this is not a case where MLB

(01:51:44):
is trying to have a gotcha moment for Trevor Bauer
and suspend them and make an example of him in
the first couple of weeks of the season. I don't
think that we will even see any sort of suspension
or disciplinary action unless they find something that is extraordinary
and egregious and well above any sort of normal range

(01:52:05):
of substances on Baseball's because I think we all realize
all of us have watched the game for a long time.
This is on some level a very commonplace incidents in
the currents in the game. But what baseball is trying
to figure out is how common is it, how excessive
is it, How much of the current uptick in velocity
and or spin rate and or movement on pitches can

(01:52:27):
be attributed to foreign substances, and how much is part
of the training of the game the way it is
right now that, of course, the the evolution of the
composition of the baseball. This is a scientific approach, an
experiment here by MLB. This is not an effort to
make Trevor Bauer look bad, I think ultimately, obviously, as
we know how I was spoken, how I was spoken.

(01:52:48):
Trevor is whenever he's in the middle of something, he's
going to talk about it, and so it's now becoming
a big topic of discussion around the game. I think
we are all all fans and reporters and pitchers and players.
Everybody's got to be I noticed now that this is
happening in terms of the overall awareness of the sport,
and I just think we haven't wait and see what
the results of the survey is. I'm using the words

(01:53:10):
survey and not investigation, not expose a and not a gotcha.
It is just an a survey. This is a scientific
approach and I think it's going to be treated that way.
And I would be stunned if there was any sort
of substantial punishment or discipline handed down to Trevor Bower
as a result of this. But I mean, this brings
up a bigger picture for me, and that is in

(01:53:33):
the aftermath of the p D era where walle was happening,
no one said anything about it, even though it was
clear something was going on. I mean it was, and
I mean I was in all those clubhouses at the time.
I was there and looking at Mark McGuire who had
seen since his rookie year, and suddenly he had arms
as big as legs. And it wasn't just some creatin

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or whatever he was taking. There was something going on um.
And then obviously we have the situation with the astros
and stealing signs, which by the way, has been going
on since the beginning of time. And now we have
talked about doctor in baseball, which also has been going
on since the beginning of time. In terms of baseball
is concerned and people are always wondering, well, what does
it do. Well, you know, you have a little stuff

(01:54:16):
on the ball. Uh, you want to have a little
stickiness on the balls. You have a tighter grip on
the ball, which increases the spin on the ball. But
all of this has been going on since the beginning
with baseball, So why now, why is it suddenly that
they're going out of their way to clamp down on this.
And from your perspective of someone that's fall as sport
as you have, John, is it necessary. Well, it's a

(01:54:40):
very fair question, and I think one of the reasons
is that the general direction of the sport for the
last several years, we have seen the emphasis on velocity,
the emphasis on the spin rate of pitches in terms
of the breaking action, and what it has all done
is as we have all seen, the end result is

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that has resulted in a lower percentage of balls and play,
higher number of strikeouts. The three trough outcomes homer, walks,
strikeout is becoming a higher and higher percentage of the
outcomes about bats and so as a result, we would all,
at least I think most of us would agree that
the aesthetic quality of the game is suffering without as

(01:55:25):
many balls and play, and so we're not going to
We've we have seen. The conversation has been out there
for years. I think the hope has been there from MLB. Hey,
can we find ways to incentivize more contact? Can we
find ways to create a more a more aesthetically pleasing
version of the game via some altruistic way of asking

(01:55:48):
teams today, Can we maybe build teams that are a
little more athletic, that put the ball and play more,
that run the base is more, that play better defense
is opposed to walk, strikeout, home run all the times.
Can we do this and literally by asking them, just
sort of out of the goodness of their hearts to
build the team that way. It hasn't worked. So the
only way to really change it is to is to

(01:56:10):
alter the incentives and alter the the the framework of
the sport. And that's why you're seeing at the minor
league level the elimination of ships being discussed this year.
Um and and that sort of thinking that if if
you have a more balanced overall defensive alignment, do you
see a more up the middle approach? Do you see
more balls that are hit through the normal three four

(01:56:31):
hole in the five six hole that are we've seen
for forever. That's one part of it. The other part
is if all of a sudden, you are you are
not able to go with the same extreme pitch behavior
and spin, does that put more balls in play? And
does that allow hitters to take a little bit less
of an all or nothing approach and result in more

(01:56:52):
doubles and triples and usual base hits as opposed to
the the sort of extreme shifting and extremeream power seeking
that is going on across the major leagues and across
all of pro baseball. It's a decision Steve and Rich
that I think has been made that that on the
MLB side that they are concerned about the product and

(01:57:15):
the way that it's trending is trending in a way
that it's out of their control unless they take some
very proactive steps to incentivize and sort of if if
you to make the analogy, put the bumpers back on
the on the bowling alley used to keep the ball
moving more towards the middle of the lane. Just keep
keep the outcomes of of of the sport more normative

(01:57:37):
as opposed to the skewing that we've seen the last
couple of years. It's gonna be a long season, but
this man right here, John Palmer Rossi, is gonna guide
us through the long Major League Baseball season. JP. We're
out of time already, but we always appreciate your joining us.
Are you gonna be watching Masters at all? Does that
register with you? Watch? I am much more right now, guys.

(01:58:00):
A baseball weekend plus NHL trade deadline coming up tomorrow
at the one two on my calendar. So a little
bit of that little bit of this weekend big win
for ROMA. So I'm I'm not watching a ton of
the Masters. I'll be honest, but you know me, I'll
talk any sport you guys want to talk I'll be ready,
and I'm telling you I'm all in now. On the

(01:58:20):
n L West Padres Dodgers that with Justin Turner said,
nineteen World Series games this year. Baby, it's coming up
right ahead. I can't wait. Yeah, that's sixteenth of April,
the Dodgers come to Sandy. You open up the first
of those nineteen games. JP. Have a great week. We'll
talk to you next week. Sounds great, guys, looking forward
to it, Thanks so much, all right, John Paul Morossi.
On the other side, we'll get you updated on the
Masters because there's there's one name moving up rapidly coming

(01:58:45):
up next. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, all right,
So we're watching the Masters right now. Matsy amass a
three shot laid over Zala Torus has put himself in
a birdie position at seven. Xander Shaffle. He's in trouble.
He's already dropped one stroke two par on this round

(01:59:07):
and he just had a punch out on the fifth hole,
so he's staring at a mighty birdie. But one guy
that's moved up today is John rom And this is
how the leaderboard. He started the day in twenty first place.
He's now fifth. Now he's well ahead of everybody else
and he just part of the fourteenth holes, so he's
just five hundre on the day. It's a clean card.

(01:59:28):
He has one eagle, three birdies, no bogies. But just
by playing a clean card, now he's still six shots back,
but at least now he has the fifteen which obviously
is a birdie, possibly an eagle hole if Ron can
finish strong and suddenly it's I mean, right now he's
on pace to shoot sixty seven. Let's say he shoots
sixty four and put some minus eight on the board,

(01:59:51):
and he's just sitting out there. You never know, you
never know, and that's the nature of this masternament. Some
champions are made while they're sitting in watching the rest
of the field come in. It's just incredible, especially what
this course does to certain golfers down the stretch. Some
guys can really have profound collapses and some can rise
to the moment. Right now, Matza Yama, Yeah, this is

(02:00:14):
Matza Yama's third shot on the par four and he's
rolling that one back to the flag. But that's a
long par putt right there, a long part butt and
that's straight down he's been a little up and down,
but I mean he's kept that that eleven under that
he started the day with. He lost it and got
it back. It's gonna be interesting to see how this

(02:00:36):
shakes out because there are a lot of good golfers
at the top of the board. That's that's what's fun.
I want to go back to our conversation earlier about
you were of that generation where essentially Tiger Woods hooked
you even to watch golf at all, and we were
talking about life after Tiger If he's never able to
come back from this latest car accident and play competitive

(02:00:57):
golf again, are you did he hook you enough into
the sport of golf for Oh? Yeah, you're watching what
we're watching right now. Not interesting? Oh, certainly. One of
the things. One of the things about watching golf is
how much I want to play it. You know, it's
it's it's an interesting sport because you know, it doesn't

(02:01:19):
matter your athletic ability, it doesn't matter what age you are.
You can still grab your clubs and go kind of
just hang around a course and have a good time
trying and it's just such a mental Yeah. So that's
that's the part of this that I like is that
it encourages me to act like I guarantee you, at
some point in the near future, I'll be at a
driving range reaffirming how bad I am at the sport.

(02:01:43):
But it only takes that one shot. Man. That's the
thing about golf. You can go out shoot a hundred
and twenty, right, you play eighteen oals, You're not gonna
remember shots, but you remember those two rolled in for
the bogey. Yeah, that was all that was. That was
dead center right there. So that is the nature of

(02:02:04):
the sport. All right. We got much more coming up,
including our update on the upcoming NFL Draft. Coming up
next golf. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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(02:02:24):
rolling along on this Sunday, we're into the baseball season
right now. We got the NFL Draft just a couple
of weeks away, and yeah, we got the final round
of the Masters. Not a whole lot of movement against
John Rom's the only guy that's made any move today
five through fourteen, and he's still shipped six shots back
of Hedeci Maza Yama with a three shot lead over

(02:02:45):
Will's Alla Torus uh Zander Sho Flee Marc Leishman two
shots further back. So not moving yet, but there's a
long way to go in this final round of the Masters.
By the way, I was just reminded and this point
you talk about how time fly rich this is mind
blowing to me. Speaking of Major League Baseball. As we
opened up the season, it is the anniversary anniversary of

(02:03:13):
the dawn of Fernando Mania, and I happened to be
so if people don't know the Fernando Valenz Whales story,
he had pitched ten games in relief the previous season.
He wasn't officially he was a late season call of
as a nineteen year old. He had appeared in ten

(02:03:33):
relief games. So Dodgers opened up the season opening day
and their opening day starter is scheduled b Jerry Royce,
who had been runner up of the Cy Young Award
the year before. Big left hander, had a lot of success,
but he was a late scratch. So Tommy Lot sorta decided,
what the heck, I'm gonna throw this Fernando kid out
there on opening day, and he throws a complete game shutout.

(02:03:59):
He's starts his rookie season and there's never been anything
like this. Rich his first eight starts in the major leagues,
he's eight no with five shutouts, throwing the screwball. I
was at Dodger Stadium that very first game. I was
in the left field pavilion, you know, expecting to see
Jerry Royce, and they could throw this guy, Fernando Valenzuela

(02:04:20):
out there against the Houston Astros and he throws a
complete game shut out. By the way, can you imagine
a rookie nowadays getting the chance to throw a complete
game shut out in their first start in the Major League. No,
I can't. Yeah, well that was old school Tommy Losordi.
He wasn't going to take the kid out of the
game as well as he was pitching. But you know,
those are one of those things about baseball where you
get something that just comes out of nowhere. It the

(02:04:41):
history of the game suddenly has these instant like phenomens
that just show up. I remember two years back, uh,
the much of the baseball world's attention shifted to Pete
Alonzo's hot star. Yes right, he was smashing the base
Remember Yai a couple of years ago. That first monthly

(02:05:02):
it's over and we're just I mean, jaw dropping stats
the highlight every single night that the guy is playing.
You know, you just have these moments. It's very rare
that those moments lead to seasons, or that those seasons
continue into multiple seasons. But in rare specific moments that

(02:05:23):
or I should say in rare specific cases, those moments
do extend beyond just a moment or just a game
or just a week or just a month or a year,
and and we can sort of come to depend on it.
And that's the reason why many eyes turned to golf
with Tiger Woods. It wasn't just a boy. You know,
he came out of the shoot hot and then he
fizzled out like a Jordan's speed for example. Who when

(02:05:47):
you know one handedly many times earlier, greatness is doing
it again and again and again and again. That's the
at skis, That's the federers. That's also the guys every
single year living up to you know, living up to expectations.

(02:06:09):
You know, sometimes it comes out of nowhere, but occasionally
you have a guy like Lebron James, who was touted
in high school. Is the next Jordan's and has all
but made good on that promise, you know, And and
so it's it's a rare mixture of personality, talent, and
consistency that leads to stars leading a league. And you know,

(02:06:30):
baseball has an interesting path that has to walk. They've
been sort of deprived of a charismatic star for a
while because, well, Mike Trout can still hit the leather
off the ball. He is just not an entertaining guy.
All right. I've been wanting to ask you this because
we haven't spoken in a couple of weeks about the
Fernando Tattoos junior situation with the Sandy O Padres. So

(02:06:53):
they got a problem right now, Yeah, because they have
a young superstar that they gave a three forty million
dollar extension to a guy that's not even being projected
as the face of the Padres but the face of
major League Baseball. And he's got a problem. He's got
a physical problem with his left shoulder. It first happened
where we were aware of in spring training, where he

(02:07:14):
goes deep in the hole, extends his arm and the
and the shoulder pops out, and well, how serious is this?
Well he was back in the lineup before spring training ended.
So okay, it can't be that serious if they still
have him out there in spring training games and then
we get into the regular season. He's pressing no, but
hang on. There was another incidents in the spring when
he returned sliding head first into home he came up,

(02:07:37):
but we didn't know that at the time. It wasn't
getting the publicity of that backhand play. All right. So
the season begins and it was obvious that he was
feeling it. Yeah, five airs in the first four games.
He had two hits in his first fifteen of bats.
Then he blasts us four sixty ft home running. You're like, okay,
he's calmed down a little bit. And then comes the
next game and he swings as he always does, really hard,

(02:08:00):
and the shoulder pops had again. So at that point,
I don't know what you guys were discussing, but we
were talking about, look, you you got thirteen years or
mainly on his contract, ain't not going anywhere. And we
had a doctor come on talking about whether surgery is necessary.
He goes, yeah, surgery is necessary. It's not a complicated surgery.
It's a very correctable situation. I've had two of these

(02:08:22):
exact surgeries. But if you if you're going to get
the surgery, that's it. You're shut down for five or
six months to heal up. But he'll be fine on
the other side at least five or six months. Okay,
But they have decided not to have surgery right now,
so they're rolling the dice and the odds of him
with this. Two major incidents of it popping out with

(02:08:42):
a seemingly routine either fielding player just swinging the bat,
that it's gonna happen again. Why are they doing this?
But the pressure on this organization and the fact that
the pressure on this young guy because he's a kid,
he's like, are you okay? I'm fine? Could put me
out there? That's a twenty two year old can write?
What do you do? I mean? I mean, so you've

(02:09:04):
had this this injury. Is this something that could get
progressively worse if they continue to throw them out there
or he reinjures it time and again trying to navigate
through the rest of the season before surgery. Well, reinjured.
It is an interesting comment because it's injured, you know
what I mean, But but progressively worse. It's not a coud.
It's it is it will you know the more. This

(02:09:28):
is a wear and tear injury, And so for anybody
who's sort of uninitiated with like orthopedic injuries two joints,
there's really no like coming back once once it's started,
and especially when you're in season. You know, if you
have a partial tear of a ligament, it either has
to heal and heal completely if it can on its
own and help of rehab, or it just doesn't heal,

(02:09:52):
it just gets worse. And in the case of the labor,
it doesn't heal on its own, it just gets worse. Well,
what do you do if you're swinging the past? See
my thing is a right. So we saw the paint
he was in when he swung the bat that day,
and he's got to be in the back of his
mind like can I swing that hard and not reinjure
that shoulder? Well, so here's what you're risking. You're definitely

(02:10:14):
risking continuing this injury and making it worse. Now, how
much worse can it get? Can you do diamonds to
other parts of the shoulder? Yeah? Yeah, But overall you're
not in too much jeopardy of doing that. I remember,
I played two seasons in the NFL with torn labor
ms in both of my shoulders, And after the first
season I was in, I knew that my right one

(02:10:34):
was bad, but the left one was worse. So I
got that one operated on. Then the next offseason I
got the other one operated on. And you know, you can.
You can get through a year. But again, football is
a completely different set of circumstances and skill sets. Like
I could play offensive line, keeping my elbows close to
my body and making sure my shoulder never really tracked

(02:10:57):
outside of my frame and in to the best my
ability at least, and and by and large, I could
keep the shoulder about where it was. But if you
have a stranger, they can flare up simply by swinging
the back. See that's the problem in baseball the position
he plays shortstop, where you're going to be extending for
her sharply hit balls to your position, when you're going

(02:11:20):
to be with a violent swing hard into your follow
through and potentially pulling that shoulder out of the socket. Again,
you've got some problems here inherent to the position. Would
you handle the situation for you the potters, would you
just say, look, let's call it a last season. We're
gonna get through that. You're not going anywhere you're under
Encourage that, but again that you can't force an athlete

(02:11:41):
to have surgery doesn't want to, of course not, you know,
so you have to have the conversation. I would encourage.
What do you do with a twenty two year old
kid that understands and one thing he's very aware of.
He's very self aware. He gets it, he understands what
he not only represents that the Potters, but really to
major League Baseball right now, they're hanging their hat on
this kid to be a guy that's gonna bring in

(02:12:02):
that new audience, bring that little excitement. When we talked
about these five areas in the first four games, it
was he was just trying to make routine play spectacular
and and and in baseball there's a lot of routine.
You have to appeal. This is a guy who talks
about the team a lot, right, He'll say we, he'll
say us. He won't talk about himself as much. So

(02:12:23):
if you're going to appeal to to him to get
him to do what you want him to do, which
ultimately probably is just to get the shoulder right and
to move on with it and stay on the field.
And to stay on the field, you gotta say to
him like, look, this is what's best for the team.
You may think you're doing us a favor by being
out there, but the truth is your performances sagged as

(02:12:46):
a result of this shoulder injury. And if it doesn't
get better sooner, how many of these games will we
want to have back when we're when we're two back
from the Dodgers, potentially late in the season. You can't
be a part of the problem. You have to be
a part of the solution. And sometimes in order to
be a part of the solution, you gotta go and
do the thing you don't want to do, which maybe
getting this shoulder fixed, getting right for next season, and

(02:13:09):
that's the way you help the ball club. Uh. Look,
it'll be a big loss to the Padres. Certainly it'll
be a huge loss to Major League Baseball because again,
charismatic star, they haven't had one in a long time,
and it would be great if they could have one
this season playing well, but that may not be uh
an availability this year alright. Um, on the other side,

(02:13:30):
we gotta get back, We've gotta get back to the
NFL Draft. There's a lot of movement going on right now,
almost as we speak, because there's a lot of teams
trying to figure the whole dynamic of who is available,
how high they can get in this draft. We also
have a possible destination for Teddy Bridgewater coming up next.
You're listening to Fox Sports alright, So looking right now

(02:13:54):
at the Master's Matziama has a two shot laate Aver
zalators burd the eighth hole. John Rom did Bertie fifteen rich,
so he's at six hunder. He's five shots back. He's
got three holes to play. You gotta feel like if
Rom's gonna have a chance here, he's gonna after Bertie
two of the last three and he just part sixteen,

(02:14:15):
so he's gonna have to go Bertie. He's got to
get to eight. Yeah, I don't think seven has a chance.
Eight might have a chance. I agree with you, But again,
zal Taurus just hit a great drive. I'm I'm I'm
definitely in this what holer he and Matyamanala Taurus is
on the ninth holl right now. Matsiyama is going to

(02:14:37):
the eighth. He's not in that grouping it's Schofwi who's
with with Maziama. Yeah, he just striped the fairways, so
he's playing good golf. But so Matsiami, he's hanging onto
that eleven under and that's been pretty steady today. Of
course he's got to survive Amen corner. Yeah, that's still
ahead of him. So keep all right. Continuing here on

(02:14:57):
the Masters, we're talking to NFL Draft because they're only
a couple of weeks away. And we talked earlier about
the dynamic in Carolina where they have made the deal
to get Sam Donald. By the way, they gave up
a sixth round pick this year and a second and
a fourth next year to get Donald from the Jets.

(02:15:19):
Is that more or less than you thought the Jets
would either get or Carolina would have to give up
to get Donald. That sounds about right, because also, whether
true or not, you'd assume the Jets would be able
to sweeten the deal a little bit by saying there
are multiple bidders out there. I just feel like somebody

(02:15:40):
was going to have to pay for Donald if they
wanted to move them. Uh, And and they found a suitor,
and so Carolina Panthers have a decision to make about
Teddy Bridgewater. You mentioned at the very top we were
talking about Belitech situation in New England. You have a
couple of bad years, you're under fire. Well, Johnny always
had more than a couple of bad years. They are
in search of a quarterback still. Uh we went in

(02:16:02):
the draft when he drafted Paxton Lynch in the first round.
That was a disaster. A couple of years ago they
draft Drew lock for a moment there they thought maybe,
but not after last year. So the Broncos are sitting
there with a ninth pick in the draft right now,
coming off a bad season, and you have two options

(02:16:23):
right now. You could either hope that maybe the quarterback
you're looking for will drop to nine or move up
in the draft to try to get the quarterback you won.
Or you could get Teddy Bridgewater on the cheap, because
it's obvious the Panthers have no need for Teddy bridge
writer right now. I mean you could probably get him
for a third third day draft pack at this point. Um,

(02:16:46):
if you're John Elway and boy, that last Super Bowl
win is rage in history, ancient history. Um, what do
you think the best move now is as far as
that quarterback position? Well, it's funny you mentioned the last
Super Bowl because oddly, Peyton Manning this offseason has been
working with Drew Lock. So what does that say about

(02:17:07):
the Denver Broncos commitment to Drew Lock? What does it
say about Drew Lock this upcoming season? I don't know,
but it's something. It's something, and I don't think Peyton
Manning would just work with a guy just because, Uh,
this sort of feels like something that may have been
set up by John Elway. He was bad. I mean
we're talking about a guy who led the league in interceptionsift.

(02:17:29):
I mean he showed promise. Remember he was four and
one in five starts as a rookie, but last year
four and night completely just fifty seven percent of his
passes fifteen interceptions led the league. I mean he was bad. Yeah,
he he had a rough season last year. The Denver
Broncos in general have been under performing for years now.

(02:17:51):
And you say under performing because you know that the
expectations are high after you win a Super Bowl and
they really fly woundered. Since it's it's been four straight
losing seasons. How long is el We're gonna be there?
How long is Fangio gonna be be there. There's there's
a lot on the line this year, and I actually

(02:18:11):
thought last year there was a lot on the line.
But clearly they're gonna kick the can down the road
and we're gonna see season with all parts intact, assuming
everybody survives offseason, what should they do? Look, you got
two choices, in my opinion, You either trade up and
you make sure you get yourself one of these top

(02:18:32):
five quarterbacks. Okay, So if Atlanta is looking to move
that fourth pick, maybe you go from nine to fourth
and see how much that costs you, and you just
go all in and you find one of these quarterbacks
and fall in love with him and try to try
to figure it out with that that next through the
through the through the door, and outside of that, I

(02:18:53):
say you trade down. Okay, you have the ninth overall pick.
Chances are you could still get some good value you
later in the first round at offensive line or receiver,
and you build around Drew Lock. You go all in
and maybe you trade for a Bridgewater. Like you said,
it's not gonna cost you a ton as an insurance policy,
but you gotta make a decision on Lock, and it

(02:19:14):
has to be before the draft. Are you gonna replace
Lock with one of these drafted quarterbacks or are you
gonna ride with him and then maybe find someone who
could be a viable backup, who could step in and
become a starter if all goes really really wrong with
Drew Lock. I gave me back to quarterbacks. I want
to go because you saw this guy play, and I'm
talking about Zack Wilson coming out of b y U.

(02:19:36):
Uh there's now a Twitter handle called uh Mormon Mahomes
calling the Mormon Mahomes all right, and it appears it's
all set and done. The Jets are gonna take him
second over after Trevor Lawrence goes to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Obviously the Jets have been in search of a quarterback since. So.
I don't know Joe Namath. Uh So you saw this kid?

(02:20:00):
Uh So you know the Zach Wilson game, the Mormon Mahomes.
Are we talking about that level of talent again? How
that translates on the field? Wait waits to be seen.
But are we talking about that kind of skill set
with Zack Wilson. I don't love the comp um just
because of what Patrick Mahomes has done in the NFL.

(02:20:22):
It sets expectations the bar way too high. Um. I
don't know if I have a comparison ready h to
to label him with, but I will say this, Wilson
can make all the throws, and I'm not just talking
about the ones that have been completed. I watched a
lot of his film over two years because San Diego
State I'm on the call as their color analysts, played

(02:20:43):
them in back to back seasons, uh last year in
this past football season, and I got to watch him
carve up defenses. Man, it was fun when you have
a guy who has a live arm, who can get
rid of the football super fast, like quick release and
then put that sucker on a rope to some of
the big boy NFL throws, the deep outs from opposite

(02:21:07):
hash stuff like that. He's he's fun to watch, but
also he's a good improviser. There are times where the
pockets breaking down and he's got someone yanking on his
collar and he's able to let one fly and it
lands flush and receiver's hands forty yards down field. He's capable.
He's very, very capable. I don't think the Jets really

(02:21:27):
can miss if they take him second overall, because I'm I.
I was shocked he wasn't being touted as much heading
into like the Heisman talk heading out of the college
football season. I was like, did people just not find
him yet? And I guess that was really truly what
was going on. There's a lot of tension obviously on

(02:21:48):
on these major conferences and a ton of attention being
The question with him during the season last year was
b YU was in a no win They're an independent,
so they were losing opponents left and right. They are
scrambling to put together a schedule when you're not a
part of a conference, and you got, you know, such
a wacky year. They they were just hard pressed to

(02:22:09):
get game opponents. Yeah, yeah, I know it's true. But
the opponents they played, that that's the other thing. In
an odd season, he stood out. He played really well.
I Mean, that wasn't an easy season for the Cougars
or really anybody in college football. So if you had
a standout season amid that year with all the protocols
and pandemic and miss games and long long you know,

(02:22:33):
I think they went a month stretch without playing a
game in the middle of the season. B why you
did so strange season? Still played well. And uh I
I think he's getting a lot of Patrick Mahomes. I'm
not making that comparison. But but is he a Mormon Mahomes?
But is he? But is he a great prospect? Yeah?
I can see that without question. Thomas he will be

(02:22:55):
in a Jetz uniform. Yes, we'll see how that goes.
Robert Salo though there. But he's a defensive guy, that's true.
So he better have somebody. So was Belichick. And Brady's
the best who's ever played that position. Well here and
by the way, here's a point I want to make.
And again we're skipping around, but I when we talk
about Belichick's inner influence on Tom Brady, well, I want

(02:23:18):
to get this on the other side. I want to
get this on the other side right now, because we
got our eyes on the masters right now. So does
the man we're bringing on right now, Let's find out
what's treading with David Gascon. It's a bad year for Denver.
That was tough. You know, Drew Lock was Drew Lock.
Drew Lock is Jake Cutler two point. Oh. People don't

(02:23:40):
talk about that enough, you know, And I mean he
makes bad decisions with the football and he relies on
the strength of his arm way too much. I mean,
I get what he did at Missouri, but that's Missouri exactly.
And two problems with Denver Jerry Judy for as touted
as he was him in and rugs at Alabama him

(02:24:00):
he was second the National Football League and drop passes,
so he caught less than than half the targets that
came his way last year, and they had no other
to support. I mean, keep in mind von Miller was
done for the year. All right, Well, I'll give you
three choices again, three choices for the Broncos with their quarterback.
You stay with Drew Lock, you take a quarterback in

(02:24:22):
the draft before you bringing Teddy Bridgewater. Those are your
three choices. Man, I'll take the chip. The problem, punt,
I mean, the problem is is that they were just
good enough to not get one of those picks. And
I feel like, if you can't get Trevor Lawrence or
Zach Wilson, then you should you should, punt. I mean,

(02:24:45):
you have to sit and you say, stay with Drew
Lock and find some of it. Now, I don't trade
down to get extra picks. I know this is kind
of outside the realm, but you know, with with the
talk that you guys had mentioned the top of the
show with LaVar Arrington and Bell Bell check, do you
think there's any kind of conceivable way that Belichick says,

(02:25:06):
f this a Panthers, let's talk about Donald No, no
conceivable way, No, no, especially because they just traded for him,
you know what I mean, like it would it would
take heaven and earth and then pry him out of Carolina. Well,
how much I must I must say that Josh McDaniels
had on the quarterback situation of the Patriots. He he

(02:25:28):
has input, but he doesn't have even close to finals
say that decision is made by the head ball. But okay,
but you bring back Cam Newton, who was, like, I guess,
okay for you last year, but he was banged up
and they used him run schemes. Remember he got COVID. Yeah,
but he ran the football a ton last year. Coming
back to the surgery. Yeah, but I mean, how often
do you want your quarterback being on design runs taking

(02:25:51):
a beating for sixteen seventeen games. Remember early in the season,
we were praising New England for changing their offense completely
to fit because we say this about the Patriots all
the time. Their success is based on to identifying talent
and then putting the players in a position to actually succeed. Yeah,
the game plan worked. I mean Cam Newton before he

(02:26:11):
got COVID and then he got banged up end of
the season. There's no doubt about it. But the problem is, though,
is that is that salvageable? Because whether people believe into
a tongue of a low in Miami or not, Buffalo
Bills are consistently on the come now as the lead
of the pack in that division. If too, it does
pan out, then you have Miami. You don't know what's
gonna happen with the Jets. So can New England stayed

(02:26:34):
on par with those other two teams in the a
f C East. And then, of course you have to
worry about Kansas City at the worry about the Chargers
out here, maybe at to worry about the Raiders of
course Indie and Tennessee. Why not flirt with that possibility
of training a couple of guys for Donald? How about this?
How about the other guy in Carolina? How about teddy
Be going to the Patriots and he's just broken. Yeah,

(02:26:56):
I think teddy Be was exposed. I mean, and he's
he's never going to be the quarterback he was before
that devastating and injury. Yeah, he's just not. It's unfortunate.
He's a pedestrian. Yeah. Um, you guys had mentioned the
Masters and Headeki mantze Yama still your leader. He's two
strokes in front of second place. Right now as it stands,
he's through seven and he is at eleven underpar. Major

(02:27:19):
League Baseball Red Sox fourteen seven over the Orioles. Right now,
tribe flows things out. They beat the Tigers by three,
Yankees and raised. Right now they're playing bonus baseball. They
have runners at the corners in the top of the
tent of the Yankees four fours a score. They have
runners at first and third with nobody out twin six
four over the Mariners and the Brewers seven three of

(02:27:40):
the Cardinals and the NBA Adrian norg Nawski report and
James Wissman of the Golden State Warriors tore meniscus he
could be done for the season. I don't remember rule
out the hoodie man, but I mean, what is what
is the negative? What would be the downfall of that
kind of conversation with England and Carolina, Like, what would

(02:28:02):
be the negative about that? Well, it's there's no negative
in any conversation. I just don't. I mean, again, if
you're Belichick right now, what do you have on that
roster as a quarterback on which right now I think
it's Stidham and Cam Newton's your start? Do you feel
good about that? No? No, no, no, I mean, given

(02:28:24):
what we saw last year when Newton went down, you
got nothing out of the quarterback position, out of either
of the backup so you're you're really stuck in a
rut if Newton isn't healthy enough to play well this
upcoming season, and behind a better and healthier offensive line too,
they really they had injuries up front led to even

(02:28:46):
worse play off of that offense, and and it amounted
to a poor season. I think the game changer for
Belichick guys was two years ago Brady's last season. Remember
they started the year, what were they seven oh eight? No,
And they were putting up historic deep of numbers, historic
like it never been done before. And then they ran
into the Ravens and Lamar Jackson and they got shredded

(02:29:08):
and Labar and suddenly that day it seemed like Belichick
became infatuated with Lamar Jackson or a quarterback with that
kind of skill set. Suddenly he had completely lost all
side of Tom Brady, who of course was victimized by
the fact that they had basically gutted all the skill
positions and he had nothing around him anymore. But he

(02:29:30):
seemed to be infatuated with this idea that we need
to get one of those guys. We need to get
a quarterback that can have a multiple skill set, that
can make the passes, would also create havoc with his legs.
We need to get one of those type of quarterbacks. Well,
I think when you have Tom Brady, it absolutely expands
some of the things you can do, but it limits

(02:29:52):
a lot of other things you can do. When when
you know, twenty years of Tom Brady means twenty years
of having an enough philetic quarterback. Now he is the best,
and he's certainly one of the best unathletic quarterbacks we've
ever seen. But that guy can't run out of site
in a week. I mean he is a slow poke,
but he can deliver the football wherever you want him

(02:30:13):
to see you make a maneuver in the pocket by
that extra second, and he's never gonna put you on
the wrong play. And you know, the mental game, everything
is other than the athleticism is perfect, So you build
an offense around him. I think Josh McDaniels has a
proclivity of wanting to have a more athletic quarterback man
his offenses. We saw that with the Tim Tebow experiment

(02:30:34):
in Denver, uh and we saw it last year with
Cam Newton and completely changed their offense. And I think
he likes that style, so it wouldn't It doesn't shock
me at all that they resigned Camp first and foremost.
I assume they would do that. I've been talking about
that down the stretch of last season, that that he'll
be back. But I do think it is smart to
have a capable, capable player behind Cam who's got starts

(02:30:57):
under his belt, who may still have some NFL potent
choll if working in the right system. And could that
be a guy like a Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe, But I
think I think they may look to the draft. I
may I think Belichick may shock us all and they
could be one of those teams who trades up and
grabs a QB. We we started the day. We're talking
about our our dear friend. LaVar Arrington made national headlines

(02:31:21):
by insisting that Bill Belichick is on the hot seat,
and a lot of its stems obviously from what was
the biggest storyline going into last year, along with the
COVID situation, was how's this gonna work with Tom Brady
and Belichick after twenty years being separated. Well, couldn't have
gone any better for Brady because he won a Super
Bowl and and in some ways it couldn't have gone

(02:31:43):
worse or Belichick because they had their first losing season
in twenty years. So you're like, wow, I guess that
decided that thing. It was definitely Brady who made Belichick.
But here's the reality of the influence Belichick had on
Brady early in his career with New England. The New
England Patriots of the early two thousand's when they started

(02:32:05):
won three Super Bowls out of four. The one thing
that really set them apart at that point was defensively,
and this was Belichick's genius. They never did the same
thing two weeks in a row. There was no way
to get ready for New England and and then covering
all those Super bowls early on, Ted Johnson was a
member of those early Super Bowl teams. He had roots
in San Diego. We knew Ted, and I said, well,

(02:32:27):
I mean, give us a clue. How does this work?
He goes every week is new, every week is new.
We do not know. As a as players week, I
could be playing one. He was a lineback, I could
be I would be one thing one week and completely
in a different position in the next week. So it
was the diversity of that defense laid out by Belichick

(02:32:49):
that really gave them the upper hand. But think about
if you have a young quarterback like Tom Brady. So
Brady is also the beneficiary because you have the head
coach in Belichick that can create defensive schemes that no
one even thinking about and I'm putting those out there
for my young quarterback. So Brady is learning how to

(02:33:12):
play the position with a coach, is being able to
create defensive schemes that other teams don't even have yet
and operating against them. So to belittle the impact of
Belichick on Brady is ridiculous because the fact was, even
though he's a defensive coach, he was able to tutor

(02:33:34):
his the development of his young quarterback by creating so
many different defensive schemes that eventually, at some point he
would see down the road, which is why Brady, despite
his limited athletic abilities, his vision of a football field
is unmatched. If you look at some of the there

(02:33:55):
was a two thousand nine NFL Films document series, or
maybe it was just one documentary piece that they did
on the Patriots. I was a year I was drafted.
There there were NFL Films cameras in our building. Not
every day, but there were a lot of days where
they were either filming a meeting or you know, filming practices,

(02:34:16):
and they they filmed some of the individual meetings that
Belichick had with Tom Brady and these At this point
two thousand nine is ten years into Tom Brady's NFL career,
He's won three super Bowls. But they sat down together
every single week of the regular season and the postseason
and they workshoped ideas against the defense they were gonna see.

(02:34:40):
There's a famous clip of them talking about Ed Read
and talking about all the ways you can attack this
Baltimore Ravens defense where still Ray lewis at Read, I mean,
really talented defense, difficult to prepare for, and you could
tell that they had this working relationship where they were
problem solvers and they saw things through the same lens,
And it's true, how do you do that? How do

(02:35:01):
you get to that platform you're taught? First, Belichick taught
Brady the NFL game. Brady didn't have the NFL game
before there was Belichick. So, yes, you're absolutely right. The
students in some cases can surpass the teacher. And maybe
I'm not even saying that definitively yet, maybe that's happening
with Brady and Belichick. But certainly there is no defaming

(02:35:26):
Bill Belichick in in the help he lent Brady on
his ascension, because that's critical. Without Bill, there is no Tom.
And maybe you could say that in the opposite order,
but Belichick built a playoff team in Cleveland before he
accepted the New England job. Belichick won Super Bowls with
the Giants as a defensive coordinator before he took over

(02:35:48):
the New England Patriots as a head coach and had
Tom Brady. So Bill has a track record before Brady.
By the way, even though they were seven and nine,
it might have been one of Belichick's best coaching years.
Think about it. You have a quarterback who had no
training camp, so you had to basically go on the
fly with Cam Newton with a completely different skill set.

(02:36:08):
You had more players bail out on the season than
any other team in the NFL because of COVID. Then
you lose your quarterback to COVID. Then you try to
put the pieces back together, and you were admittedly avoided
talent because you would kicked the can down the road
in an effort to, as it turned out, get to
four Super Bowls in five years, when three of them.
But now now I'm I'm so curious about the Patriots

(02:36:30):
this year because obviously made a big splash of a hunt,
thirty million dollars committed to a lot of free agents
out there. Does Belitich still have it? Can he prove that? Oh? Yeah,
I'm a great coach. I'm one of the greatest coaches
of all time, and I don't need Tom Brady to
prove it. We'll find that out, all right. We'll get
you on the other side and update on where we
stand with the Master's Golf Tournament. We're progressive. I'm almost

(02:36:54):
at the turn heading to Amen corner with the leaders
coming up next. You're listening to Fox Sports. I want
to thank you guys today, Iowa, Sam, we're trying to
figure out when we're gonna have our best next eating
feast around here soon soon, hich time. I'm still in recovery.

(02:37:19):
Um So, my daughter's birthday was last weekend and we
went out for a family dinner at this really upscale
Malibu eating establishment. Okay, sticker shock there, Yeah what what
what did you come out of pocket for? We're talking
about in the triple digits for everybody. How's that added

(02:37:41):
up food has since passed, but the sticker shock is
not exactly that. That still has to be Uh, it's
her birthday, right, I lost my last teenager. She turned
twenty last week. However, you need to make it sound
more special to justify the expending. You have no idea.
I mean you just said yea with those two little
guys that are not gonna be so little and they're

(02:38:02):
already big. Yeah, we're in deep trouble. You know, you've
seen my boys. I mean they've blown by me. So
you've got two giants on your hands. They're both six
two six three, you know models. But yeah, and so anyway, yeah,
that's that's that's on the horizon for you, So keep
working uh, David gas gone, David, Wow, I need I

(02:38:26):
need a combination of a five hour energy and a
red Bull right now because this masters is well, it's
not happening right now, because man, I'm sitting there with
a now a five shot lead. Maybe it's birdied eight
and nine. Yea, maybe it's stuck. The tears that Rich has,
I'll have tears of I guess yawning that are coming

(02:38:48):
from my eye. Yeah, So not too much drama. Alright, alright,
there's still damage that can be done though, on the
course as he heads to the back nine, you know that. Yeah,
we need to we need like a happy free or
four shots in the drink at twelve as possible we've been.
We need a Volkswagen out there. I believe this is
your ball. Vance of course, has been advising Rich on

(02:39:11):
his eventual munching on that chip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
already went over the gloves need to be worn. Yeah,
I appreciate that you got that. What ice cream flavor
you're gonna go? That's a really good question. So instead
of milk, you're going ice cream. And again, the second
you put anything like that, you need instant relief. So

(02:39:33):
I would think vanilla, Like right, vanilla. I'm gonna go
pretty simple here. I think I'm gonna go like either
it's gonna be a vanilla ice cream sandwich, you know,
like just like you know those long rectangles, or I'm
gonna go with like when I wanted to be handheld
this way, like if I if I need a gym,
woudn't be better to have like a vanilla shake? Or
is it two? But then but the problem is you

(02:39:56):
can get the brain freeze real quick. That's right. It's
because you're so your mouth, your body's on fire. There's
a lot to consider here. You got to do some
reading up. You gotta do some studying. But I like,
I like the suggestion of a milkshake or if you
get like a pint, but make it thin. You gotta
make it thin. It's gotta be. You can't be like
you know, because you'll be so dying to get something. Also,

(02:40:18):
go soft serve. Okay, it's not a bad not sauce,
it's not bad ice cream. Where you go a soft
ser yogurt, you go swirl. I don't know. I mean,
if I'm gonna like destroy my taste buds with a
spicy cherry yeah, I think I'm gonna go full on dairy.
You gotta have dairy because that's what that's what gets

(02:40:38):
rid of that heat is the dare. By the way,
you realize rich and I went through something the polar
opposite of that meaning polar is when I went in
for the deep freeze. That's right. Yeah, he lost a
bet and he had to go to a like a
cryotherapy appointment. And Steve, I mean I was an underwear
and sucks basically is that they had the normal sucks

(02:41:00):
because you're hundred and eight degrees below zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he took it like a chin. Three minutes, three minutes.
I was worried about, you know, the guy having some
sort of hard and difficulties with this. He went in
there to burn your feet his size, right, you have
these special things to protect your feet, but he was
outside of that. Your your whole body is exposed, and

(02:41:23):
three minutes taped the whole thing. I felt very dirty afterwards. Yeah,
but I made it. I made it. I'd survived that one. No, No,
you did well. And you know what, and to your credit,
I've seen you pay off multiple bets and for some reason,
most of them involved you taking all your clothes. I did.
I've done that as well. He doesn't have a problem.

(02:41:47):
Very disturbing thought. Indeed. All right, well, as we mentioned
as far as this Masters is a concern unless somebody
does something real drastic here Soonie Matza Yama is going
to become the first Japanese golfer the way any major
golf championship, much less the Masters. It's impressive, man, what
he's been able to do, especially over the weekend. And

(02:42:08):
he's sitting on this league now, anything can happen, Like
we're just talking in the back nine. But u but
so far, steady Eddie, and he added to his lead.
He's thirteen under right now. Yeah, he's two hunder on
the day through nine, so he's heading amen corner right now.
This will pretty much decide it whether or not to
a decade. Matsu Yama is gonna done that green jacket?
Are we ever gonna do this? And we're ever gonna

(02:42:29):
go to Augustinet. We talked about this. We have to
we have to, right. Yeah, Look, I mean I don't
have a lot, I don't have a bucket list, but
if there's a place I would like to see, it's
number one on my list. I'm gonna bring you there, Steve. Really,
I know your your wife's and his. Her family's a
golf family, so they're working. You know what. We're gonna
maybe maybe the two masters. Am I too loud for

(02:42:51):
the Masters? That's the problem. I think we'll put a muzzle.
I'm gonna have to bring it down a notch for
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