05/08/2021 – The Fellas with Jason Martin and Matt Mosley - Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, what's happening? It
is the Fellas, it is Fox Sports Radio. It's not
Anthony Gargano this week. We'll keep the seat warm for him.
Glad to have you with us wherever you happen to
be across the nation here on Fox Sports Radio. My
name is Jason Martin. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee. Matt Mosley
is in Dallas, Texas. This morning. We're with you for

(00:21):
the next four hours to talk sports, to talk culture,
to talk who knows what else, and to talk bloodshot
eyes and no sleep for me is I'm a three
week old father basically doesn't mean that I'm three weeks old,
means that my daughter, Clara Graces she's my first child.
So this is a completely new universe for us, no
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what's going on? Brother, Good morning, top of the morning

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to you, and congratulations are in order. And that is uh,
that is awesome. That new dad, new mom feeling. Um,
you know you never these are these are precious times,
although there will be times when you feel like you
know what will this ever end? Well? This is it

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gonna be like this for for the next like ten
twenty years your life? In some ways the answer is yes,
these things just you sort of worry about different things,
uh as you get on into this. But that's uh, yeah,
what a great name, Clara Grace. That is uh, that
is an awesome time. And honestly, I would say having

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a newborn is a wonderful time to be doing radio
at whatever it is three in the morning or something
on the Pacific time you and I Central time. But
it works. It actually works because you're up constantly and
then in about I don't know, a few weeks, you
will actually have her on a schedule. And uh, I

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would recommend the book although I didn't read it, but
I think we use things from it baby wise. I
think it was man what you once you get on
that schedule, you actually will be shocked like it You'll
you'll move into a different world. But but yeah, I'm
very excited for you. So congrats. Yeah, baby wise has

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actually been suggested by a lot of people, and thanks
for the congrats. Yeah, it's Uh. Last night she did
a lot of grunting in her uh boppy or whatever.
She's not sleeping flat right now, so working on that,
but she was kind of up most of the night. Um.
We we take shifts because I'm doing the doing the
morning show five days a week, and now, of course
even earlier today for four hours with you, I go

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to sleep. We had a conversation you and I did
last night on the phone for a bit, and then
after that I tried to wind down, probably fell asleep
sometime around eleven fifteen. Uh. The wife kind of tags
in and she handles the overnights, which you know, I
means she's more sleep deprived. So I already know what
happens when I get home today. When I get home today,
I tag in, she's able to go sleep. Uh, there's

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a there's there's a lot happening. To say the least.
I'm looking forward to the schedule you're referring to. I've
heard a lot of people refer to the schedule. Well,
you have not gotten to that point yet, um. Right
now it's every two to three hours, sometimes even more
that she wants to feed. And so it's a completely
different universe. Everybody that's out there that that has kids
has has probably has many horror stories and many great

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stories as well. Like we wouldn't trade any of this,
but I do love sleep. And then sleep has now
become a concept, not a reality, and it'll continue to
be that way for a while. And now my little
girl's thirteen will turn fourteen in July. And as I said,
do you um, I mean, there there's some anxious moments

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along the way, but uh, and I was thinking, you know,
it made me think about it last night. I mean,
there are no everybody says, oh the Terrible twos or
this or that. I I don't remember any bad ages,
Like it's really really fun. I remember sort of like,
you know, interesting moments. But you will, you will love this,
and uh, you're doing it. I waited a little while,

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and so I was, now, I wasn't quite. I was
a little bit younger than you are now. But I think, uh,
I think you bring a little more maturity to the game.
So I don't, you know, we'll we'll see, we'll see
what you bring to the game. But uh, it sounds
like you have an incredible wife and it is Uh
that's key. And you have support, you have like family

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that lives fairly close. That that's huge. That's huge. I
I I cannot imagine like living on the other side
of the country from family members and all of that,
because you'll want to bring everybody in that you can, yes,
and it's it's just the time you want to lean
into the mother in law. Yeah, well, well I'm what
good news is my mother and father in law are awesome.

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Like I don't have the the old in law stand
up improv joke. Well, let me tell you about my
mother in law and all this other kind of stuff.
We don't have that on either side. We get along
with all four parents exceedingly will so that that helps
things out. Her being a pediatrician helps things out. Although
I think she's learned and gained a new respect for
for parents and and things of that nature. So there's

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a lot of there's just a lot of learning that's
going on right now. But it's also it's the reason.
It's the way you bond with a new child that's
very apparent, Like it's just like all the things that
I've never taken seriously just to look at this child
and you realize this child literally knows how to do nothing,
like it doesn't even understand the world that she sees.

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It's like every everything that I do is to protect her.
And that it really does kind of put a lot
of other stuff in perspective, including sports and everything else
that we talk about for a living. Yeah, and you'll
get right, although you need sports to pull you back
into some time, you know, from time to time, but
you'll get past that stage where you're when you're driving

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around you feel I'm like you've got precious cargo and
you're scared that everybody on the roads out to get
you and all that stuff. It'll it'll that happens when
you're driving home. I remember getting a new vehicle. Um
just too just for that, like, okay, okay, we gotta
be really safe. I have to have the safest you know,
suv possible at all, and it's ridiculous, but we all

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do it. It reminds me by the way I I
once interviewed a player years and years ago the Bill
Parcels Cowboys. I won't say his name, but it was
a receiver, and I got real excited because he told me.
You know, I thought, man, this is gonna be a
really fun little interview. I was doing those little I
think we called it like the two minute drill where
I just ask a bunch of, you know, fun little

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questions away from football and he and he says, he
starts it by saying, I'm like, what are you in off?
What are you into off of the you know, outside football?
He said, well, I want to be a pediatrician. And
I thought, wow, we got something here, we got something here.
I kind of got excited. His next line was because
I really love animals. Wow, So how do you respond?

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How do you, Matt? How you respond to that man? Like?
Do you correct the athlete? Or do you let that
one go? Do you laugh it off like it's a joke,
Like how do you how do you play that? You know?
I I chose I always chose to, you know, since
it was kind of a fun bit. I could have
mined that for some comedy, but I chose to kind
of let him kind of clean that up for him

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to a certain extent. And then realized, okay, we're talking
he wants to be a vet so I kind of
moved in that direction, but I'll never forget it. And uh,
it was a certain wide receiver who ended up that
year in two thousand three making a big play and
deciding to let a ball bounce out of bounds his

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biggest player play ever as the Dallas Cowboy was deciding
to let a kickoff bounce out of bounds. A few
minutes later, the Cowboys win a game against the New
York Football Giants. So you're giving me, you're giving me
information right now where I can potentially trying to find
this guy. Yeah, there's no way you come up with this.
There's somebody out there listening. There's a Cowboys fan out

(08:25):
there listening. Uh, and his name might start with a Z,
but that would know this one immediately. Are we doing
trivia today? We might as well. We got we got
four hours hereo on Fox Sports. All right? Uh, So
I actually want to talk about the team that you
you cover. One of the teams you cover, the Mavericks. Uh,

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they won last night and I was thinking about this.
We're gonna talk about Zion during this show. We're gonna
talk about plenty of NBA and tons of NFL. The
Aaron Rodgers story. Everything coming out of the draft starting
to look ahead at least we start we're starting to
see what most of these rosters are are going to
look like, and where the holes are and all that
kind of stuff. But the Mavericks intrigued me because Luca
is so awesome and I remember the year that he

(09:07):
came out. It was him and DeAndre Aden and I
was asked on Fox Sports Radio, you know who I
thought was gonna be the man in that draft. We
actually had kind of a bet going, and I said,
it's gonna be Luca. Like I've I've watched and looked
at some things overseas, I think that dude's gonna be
a superstar. And I got laughed off because there have
been many guys that have come from Europe where it
hasn't panned out. There have been something that have But

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I think I've proven to be right, even though Atan
is starting to come around. But here's my question. Are
the Dallas Mavericks a good enough team to take seriously
when you get to the postseason or are they a
one star team in a two to three star league
when it comes to really being able to compete for

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a championship. Probably the ladder. I think that occasionally, and
they looked, they'll they'll look really good against good team teams.
They're also capable of losing to the Rockets or getting
swept by like Sacramento for the season. I mean, that's
who they are, and and does that describe several NBA teams. Probably,

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But Luca, as great as he is, he might be
able to carry them to a first round win. I
don't see this team getting much past that. And part
of the thing is is that the Unicorn himself portsingis
it's hard to have a true number two superstar that's
out of the lineup as much as he is. Now.

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You look across the league and you would say, have
the Nets ever had their their their big three together? Well? Yeah,
six games the entire season, So we're gonna kind of
almost debut that group for the playoffs. Porzingis can be
great at times, but his you know, the you cannot

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keep him on the court, So Luca is gonna need
some help. He but he is um, he is fun.
I mean, you saw a forty eight point game last
night from bow Yon. Uh, you know, And I I
love the Jazz, I love that team and and and
and even though the Jazz and the Nuggets play, then
you've really got something because I think you've got some great,

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great offensive teams and you've got one of the up
and coming superstars in the league in Michael Porter Jr.
In Denver. But to stay on the MAVs, um, I
this is a this is a phenomenal player in in
Luca Um. And it's really been fun to kind of
have a front row view of that. Um, It's just no,

(11:38):
he can't you know where Lebron can just flat out
drag a team with him, even at age thirty six.
At times, I mean, I'm still people are and I'm
I'm the first to make fun of the Lakers. They
they are on the verge Jason of being in that
play in tournament, and I are. And I love how

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the MAVs anybody that ends up in that seven hole?
Have you noticed how they go? Was the dumbest concept ever,
the dumbest I hate this, This is the worst rule
they've ever come up with. Meanwhile, it's actually working out.
It's actually making everybody kind of in that realm that fit,
you know, the Blazers, the Mavericks, the Lakers. It's making

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some of those games. It gives it sort of a
new layer of excitement knowing what could happen to them.
And um uh and you know our friend uh, you
know Calherd the other day saying that Anthony Davis can't
do it on his own. Well, really, there's no superstar
out there that's truly you know, just by himself doing

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you know, even even right now, Um, the great Joker
in Denver, well he has help. I mean, Michael Porter Jr.
In the absence of Jamal Murray has gone crazy. Yeah.
I can't believe that. Man. I've been so impressed watching
him play because I thought they were done zo d
O and he's CEO. The second Murray went down, I
was just like, well, that's unfortunate because that's one of

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those fun teams in the West that I think the
best thing could happen in this league is one of
those teams actually cashes it in and beats either in
that's team or or or knocks the Lakers out or
something like that. We need to be able to believe
that a Jazz, A Nuggets, a Blazers, one of those
kind of teams. Even Phoenix on the outside, uh, one

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of those squads actually has a shot when you get
to the playoffs, because yeah, it's really fun to watch Dallas,
it's really fun to watch Luca. I don't see them
as any kind of a threat, and I hate that
because that that makes me not care as much in
the regular season, because it's it almost feels like I'm
watching stat padding when I'm not. I'm watching a decent
regular season team, but but a team that, as you
just said, you can't do it with one star. Lebron

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can't do it now. Uh, he's probably the closest that
you've seen. But even Kobe really never did it on
his own. Michael Jordan's to some degree, never really at
it on his own. Like that's the It's a league
of multiple stars, especially in the era of super teams.
And that's that's why I wonder how the Mavericks are
perceived in Dallas. Are they just kind of a fun
little story where, oh, it's so much fun to watch

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Luca play and will come out, especially when capacity limits
are set and you can actually go watch the games,
will come watch and play. But we also know that
once we get to the second round, we're probably gonna
be bounced out of the playoffs. And and then the
question is, well, what how do you fill that roster
out to become more of a contender in the playoffs. Yeah,

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I I they've tried it, and they have some interesting
pieces to that team, but I don't see I don't
see them going deep. I I feel like what the
playoffs has book have become are are like waiting to
see I mean, are we ever going? I mean the
regular season has just changed completely from what it used
to be. And I think that's why from an old

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school standpoint, I appreciate a guy like uh As Paul
I got like um the Joker uh Yo Kitchen in
Denver that are like answer the bell every single game.
You know when when when I was a kid, Oh
here we go back in the day. Yeah, when you're
you're how old are you? You know? Even younger than that?

(15:18):
Come on, let's not I thought you said you age
is just a state of mind. No, I am got
you by four, four or five years or something like that.
But but you you knew when you went to an
NBA game that if you're playing the Celtics, Bird when
I was a kid, bird was gonna be out there.
You know, there was no thought of ever arresting anybody.

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So it's fascinating to watch now as these teams are
going to all try to flip the switch and do
this in the playoffs. And the Lakers, we're gonna see
if they can suddenly be the Lakers again and be
the same team something close to what won the title,
because nothing in this irregular season is pointing to them

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winning a title other than the fact that we're not
seeing you know, we're not seeing the same thing with
the nets. Are they gonna be able to flip the
switch and be incredible? I mean, Harden when he's out
there is it is an unstoppable force. But but think
about that he's gonna enter. I mean are they are
they Golden State? Are they peak Golden State? Or are

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they sort of a compromise team. So that's what the
playoffs are gonna be um And I think that the
Utah thing will be fascinating because what we've seen is
Utah has stayed afloat with Mitchell out some And by
the way, that's my favorite player in the NBA. That
that right there is just greatness Spider. Yeah, that that

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there's just a and there's a guy coming out of
Waco Texas will get drafted about seventh or eight that
gets body wise and everything compared to him in Davian
Mitchell and they were in the same number and all
of that. But now you knew I'd get to my
alma Modcy didn't, didn't, you know? But I I think that, Um,
I think you're right, though, can those teams make a

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run at this or is the superpower still you know,
still gonna mean, because when is the last team that
made it all the way without a Lebron or a
Steph in Clay and k D You know, when's the
last non superpower team to do it all? And you
would say, well, Toronto, yes, sort of, sort of. I

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mean what Kauai did with Toronto was was absolutely fascinating
and and and he he dragged he came off you know,
like two years of us not knowing what happened to
him and what this injury and what this weirdness was
in San Antonio and he I mean, that's really the
last we we have to point to of one guy

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sort of dragging a team. Um, and yet he goes
and pairs up with greatness and what we think Paul
George uh is obviously an all star pretty at all
Star and he can't get it done. That team can't
you know, get past Denver up three one. So I
I I the NBA Playoffs are just the flat out best.

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I mean, I love it. I can't wait for it. Well,
I think that they need to show that one of
these teams can actually break through in order to really
I think, attract attention at the next level. So there's
there's more to mind there. So we're gonna take our
first break and we come back here on the fellows.
We'll keep talking about We'll keep talking about the NBA
and some of these teams, how easy it could be

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for uh, maybe this switch flipping, because it's a Nick
well Linda walking a tight rope across the Grand Canyon
kind of line to attempt to breach here. A lot
of teams can't flip that switch. But do we have
indicators that one of these, one of these super teams
that has not had all of the success in terms

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of staying healthy on the floor this season, if one
of them can actually flip that switch. So we we'll
mind that when we come back. It is Matt Mosley,
it is Jason Martin In for Anthony Gargana here on
The Fellows on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back to Fox
Sports Radio, The Fellas here starting your Saturday off right.
Anthony Gargano is out this week. That means it is

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it's Matt Moseley down in Dallas. I'm Jason Martin. I'm
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(19:38):
we might be rolling the Jason Martin Show playlist and
as we've got Christoph Fette spending the Dolls radio style
force out in Los Angeles doing a great job. Matt.
We were talking there in that first segment about the
team that that you cover very closely. As much as
you like the n b A, you being in the
Texas area, in the Dallas area, Uh, watching the Mavericks
up clubs and personal and watching Luca don Check. I
think there's two different sports right now. Have a similar issue.

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One of them is the n b A. The other
one is college football, in that these great kind of
fun story teams, the Jazz, the Nuggets, the Blazers year
after year, UH and certainly the Mavericks now with UH,
with Luca and and kind of his star power, there's
so much fun. And then you get into the playoffs

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and it's like, all right, well, now the adults have
arrived in the room, head back to the kids table.
Because no one has been able to actually crack through
that ceiling outside of a very, very select few. I
think there's a lack of parody in the minds of
fans that aren't die hard hoop heads that hurts the
ability of the NBA to pull in interest in the

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earlier playoff rounds. And I think the same thing is
true in college football, where look, if you look at
the top six right now, it's exactly who you think
it would be without even really having to look up.
You know, Okay, it's Alabama, it's Clemson, it's Ohio State,
it's Oklahoma. I'm not even looking at it. I'm sure
I'm right. It's Georgia. And I think Texas A and
M is slid in there so that Jimbo could make
his comment about Alabama a couple of days ago, and

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so they're talking about he spanning the playoffs. I love
college football. It's my favorite sport, college football in the NFL,
especially where I live here in Nashville and an SEC
territory and everything else. But even I have to admit
these semifinals, these college football playoffs have been laughers way
more often than the opposite. Both those sports, to me,

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have a similar issue, Matt in terms of making us
believe there's a chance, dumb and dumber style for somebody
outside of a Lebron James Anthony Davis led Lakers team
or the star Power and Golden State teams from a
couple of years ago, or in Alabama, or a Clemson
or one of those kind of juggernaut teams to win.

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That's why I think this postseason is really important, because
it feels like the best chance we've had in a
while for a more surprising result in terms of who
is carrying the Larry oh Brian Trophy at the end
of it. You know, I agree to a certain extent,
but I feel like we are conditioned to love these superpowers,

(22:08):
and we we say no, we want parody. Let's let's
let's do parody. But like in the NBA for generations,
whether it was the Celtics, Lakers, in recent years, it
became Golden State. Obviously the Bulls had their run that
I think that's how uh, we're conditioned to be now.
College basketball gives us we you know, obviously Gonzaga folks

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thought that was a superpower. Baylor takes them down. U C.
L A Almost took them down. That's a that's a
place where you do get to see the so called
little guy. I don't think it's fair to call Baylor
that since they've been such a good program for a
long time. Same with the Zags. But you do see
some differences over the years. I think from what I

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can tell right now, what maybe bothers people is that
the Stars have been able to sort of uh, these
things aren't like organic anymore. This is like Lebron saying, Okay,
I want that guy. This is Kauai saying I want
to go try to do it with this guy. And
so this this thought of a young team sort of

(23:13):
growing together. I mean, like I think probably there was
more respect out there for the Warriors when it felt
more organic. And when it was the Splash Brothers and
they were sort of doing it alone, and when you
bring in k D the superhero and put them together,
that feels a little more forced. It was it was

(23:34):
when it was Draymond and the Splash Brothers and all
of that. It it was um, you know, I think
you could argue in some ways it was more entertaining.
When you get the greatness of k D. It becomes
a guaranteed thing. It becomes let's get to the and
the only chance anybody has is when a player gets hurt,
and that, of course, is what happened to Kadi. Yeah,

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I don't disagree with that. I think it's more it's yeah,
I mean, dynasties in the NBA have always been there.
The very blue bloods being near the top have always
been there in the n b A. I think it's
more I need you to give me a reason to
care about the three six match up if it doesn't
have one of those teams in it, because it feels

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like I'm gonna watch, you know, Phoenix play against somebody
just for the right to go lose to the Golden
State Warriors three or four years ago or something. Like that.
I think it just we need to believe that one
of the teams that gets through an early round can
actually knock somebody off. Now I don't I'm not a
proponent of this happening often. I believe that our sports

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minds and our sports hearts lie to us and make
us want to see all these upsets early in the
n C Double A Tournament, not remembering that at the
end of the n C Double A Tournament, we're then
gonna have a bunch of teams we have no idea about.
We don't know anything about them. We don't they're they're
not programs that draw anything in. They don't move the needle.
I think the best thing that happens in the n

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C Double A Tournament is when a blue blood escapes.
Because you've gotten both things, your heart has kind of
gotten you. You're excited because here's Oral Roberts about to
knock off Arkansas. Ah. The three goes off in Arkansas advances.
Arkansas is the better basketball team, so they move on.
And I feel like there is something to that. There's
there needs to be a goliath so that you care

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about a David out there that that works in storytelling.
But we need to have a couple of examples in
the NBA where it happens. We need to have a
couple of times where it happens in college football, just
so there's at least some metric where we can remember
a time in which everybody feels like they have a shot.
And it's not just the cliche that once you get

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to the playoffs, everybody goes to zero to zero. Now
we start over. I think this is your year for that.
I mean, if you truly want that to happen. Um
and and and by the way, I like you getting
biblical early on David and Goliath. I think you have
that club and your bag. I certainly, uh, I certainly
have been raised that way that way as well. So

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I don't know, we we may we may launch off
into religion at something we probably we probably shouldn't. Um.
But I I like Phoenix with Chris Paul. That's different
than like and he is it has been a superstar
in the past, but like he lent some sort of
uh some major credibility to a franchise that was kind

(26:29):
of try and sort of on the edge, got a
great young player and booker and then boom and and
and while I don't buy into this, oh he should
be the m v P this year, I mean it is.
It is intriguing to see a team like that that
has at least a chance, like at least I would
say going into this NBA playoff because of the Lakers

(26:51):
have the injury situation, because we truly don't know if
Brooklyn can can can flip the switch. This is about
his wide open as it's been. I mean, as much
as I love the Utah Jazz, let's not act like
we anybody's sitting around giving them a chance, certainly without
Murray Denver. I would say with Murray and and with

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what Denver did against the Clippers last year, that the
way they were heading, with two superstars and a third
sort of on the verge star in Michael Porter Jr.
They were gonna be in the mix. I mean, that's
the team that you could get excited about. They're not
They're They're They're not. I mean, Michael Porter Jr. Is
going crazy right now. I mean over the past ten

(27:33):
fifteen games, whatever Jamal Murray has been out, I swear
he's averaging like twenty five twenty six a game. He's
he's unreal at times. And they've got a guy in
that faku uh composo that that is like a thirty
year old rookie that's been over there playing you know,
European ball and shows up on the scene and is
some kind of clever little guy who does all sorts

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of crazy things. We saw this in Dallas with a
guy named jj A Bereya years ago, and he played
for a lot of years for the Mavericks and and
it just kind of comes out of nowhere. And and
this composito is probably about six ft and it he
makes play. So I I don't know. I do think
there is some I think there's a chance somebody else

(28:18):
breaks through. I don't know who it is, but I
do think the greatest storyline in sports could become the
Los Angeles Lakers, the defending champs playing in a play
in tournament, like that's the great That's what we've got
to root for, is for them scraping around desperately trying

(28:38):
to get themselves in the playoffs, because I I think
the play in concept, while it just seemed hokey and
weird to me, now that it looks like the Lakers
could be in it, I think it may I think
the NBA may have stumbled on to one of the
greatest concepts ever. Ye, I mean it could it could work.
I mean it turns out to give you stakes earlier. Uh,

(28:59):
it gives you a reason to watch a few extra
games just to speak to your Murray point. Then we'll
get to Kevin figures out in l A and get
a look at what's going on. Nuggets are nine in
two since Murray's injury. Uh. That that's unbelievable. I did
not I don't think anybody saw that coming. But Porter Jr.
Averaging twenty five and six point six rebounds in thirty
six point one minutes per game, shooting fifty seven percent

(29:22):
from the field and from three, maybe the best thing
that possibly could have happened to the Nuggets. As it
sounds maccab, but watching Murray go down has enabled Michael
Porter Jr. To reach his final form. And at this point,
if he comes back and you've got those three guys,

(29:42):
then you've really got something. Now Porter has been able
to explode. And as long as everybody, as long as
there's enough basketball to go around, Denver all of a
sudden becomes a much bigger force. Because I don't know
that people, this is what this is the Porter junior
you expected in college that you didn't get because the
injury and everything else. And he bet on himself and
he said, look, I know how good I am. Now

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he's had the opportunity to show it. And a nine
and two Nuggets team without one of the two superstars
because you now have a lot of playing time and
are stepping in to fill that void, is massively, massively
impressive and should be pretty uplifting if you're a Nuggets fan.
Uh as well, let's get to Kevin Figures real quick
and find out what's going on more Molly Watton descriptors Kevin,

(30:27):
I'll see what I can do for you there. Well,
you guys are talking about the Nuggets and Michael Porter Jr.
Didn't disappoint on Friday night. He did have thirty one,
although it wasn't a losing effort to the Jazz outdone
by Bojan Bogdanovitch of all people, scoring your career high
forty eight points for Utah and once seven one twenty
victory over the Denver Nuggets. Matt brought up the Lakers
a second ago possible now underdogs they fall to the

(30:49):
seventh seed. The lost eight of their last ten games.
They fall to the Trail Blazers one oh six to
one oh one. Still awaiting the return of Lebron James.
What could happen as early as Tuesday of next week.
The Bucks had to hold on with the one three
victory over the Houston Rockets. The Phoenix Suns had to
come back against the New York Knicks. One oh five
was the final DeAndre eight and twenty six points, fifteen boards.

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There they outscored the Knicks thirty eight to seventeen in
the fourth quarter. Not quite a molly whopping, But I
had the seventies sixers with a one on nine to
one of the seven victory over the Pelicans, Joel and
Bead putting on the show. Thirty seven points, thirteen boards.
You know what, I'll thought this one in for you, Jason.
How about ninety nine the Bulls over the Boston Celtic.
Exactly molly walked him, That's what they did. Zach Lavine

(31:35):
back in the lineup twenty five points, Nick Vossovic eighteen points,
fourteen boards, ten assists. We had some history made in
Major League Baseball. Yet again, another no hitter. This time
the crafty lefty Wade Miler. Wade Miley, thirty four year
old veteran, striking out eight batters, he walked one for
the fourth no hitter of the young MLB season as
Cincinnati defeated Cleveland by the score of three to nothing.

(31:58):
Oakland star sham and I had a three had a
no hitter going into the eighth inning. He did end
up giving up a couple of hits. Oakland held on
for a two to one victory over the Rays, Mark
Trout and RBI triple as the Angels beat up the
Dodgers at nine to two, and Anaheim Giants getting a
home run from Buster Posey as they beat San Diego
five to four. Giants in first place in the n
L West. A surprise there the Boston Celtics. Speaking of surprises,

(32:20):
excuse me, Boston Red Sox with the best record in
all of Major League Baseball. They get themselves of victory
as well on Friday Night. Back to the guys, Jason
and Matt pretty such, talk to you a little bit.
This is the Fellows here on Fox Sports Radio. It's
Matt Mosley down in Dallas. I'm Jason Martin here in Nashville,
Tennessee at Matt Mosley at j MAR Radio if you

(32:41):
want to find us on Twitter. I fear if we
do anything more than go to a break, we're gonna
end up in a discussion that we're gonna have to
cut off in the middle. I kind of want to
talk about Jimbo Fisher trying to talk smack to Nick
Saban quote playfully unquote, and I'm doing that. I'm doing
air quotes on the radio. So that's why I gave
you that. I want to talk about that and jump

(33:01):
into the parody discussion a little bit more. With college football,
we're gonna talk plenty of NBA on this show. Well,
we we're definitely gonna talk a lot about this Zion
Williamson situation. We'll let you hear what David Griffin had
to say. Um with Zion now out for an indetermined
amount of time, and guess what, there's a quarterback in
Green Bay who might not be in Green Bay or
he might be in Green Bay. That story continuing to

(33:24):
just kind of dominate really the sports landscape. So there's
gonna be plenty of a RAJ talk and a lot
of draft talk as well. So stick with us. Uh,
it's gonna be fun. The Fellas rolling right along. We'll
come back and talk about Jimbo trying to talk wise
to Nick Saban. Next here on Fox Sports Radio, it's
the Fellas, So we gotta mix up the playlist a

(33:44):
little bit. Chris profets like, Hey, do you want to
roll the nineties alternative stuff that usually runs on the
Jason March Show. You're gonna roll kind of more than
Anthony Gargano. I was like, we roll some of the
Gargana stuff. I've done this show with him a couple
of times in the past, and I always like the vibe.
It's kind of a different set up on a on
a Saturday morning. Aunt is out this week, Jason Martin

(34:04):
and Matt Moseley or in. Matt is down in Dallas.
I'm here in Nashville. So Jimbo Fisher wants to be
Nick Saban. Everybody wants to be Nick Saban. Every team
and every college wants to find their Nick Saban, which
is why a lot of them jettison good head coaches
who win a lot of games because they're unable to
beat Nick Saban, who is a true unicorn in in

(34:26):
all of sports. Certainly in coaching, and so Jimbo said,
you know, we're gonna beat their bleat and it was
kind of tongue in cheek kind of, but I still
think it's probably gonna up in a bulletin board somewhere.
I think they're friends. A matter of fact, I know
they're friends. But Jimbo is oh and three with a
sixty nine point differential. He's never scored more than thirty
against Bama, and he tries to kind of back it

(34:49):
and say, well, it's a respectful thing. I respect everything
they do and how they do it, but we can
do it just as good and be just as good
or better. And we will. That's what Jimbo Fisher told
the Touchdown club down in Houston. That's what our goal
is and what I want. So we're going to get there.
And Nick Saban said, he says he's gonna beat me
and what golf? That was the joke, but the Jimbo
Fisher discussion, and he well, obviously he's coaching now in Texas.

(35:12):
Matt Um. I've always kind of thought Jimbo Fisher was
mildly overrated, not that he was some kind of a scrub,
didn't deserve a job, just that I didn't quite get
all the hype. I think Jimbo Fisher is a good
head coach, but I'm certainly not putting him in the
classification of the Sabans and the Debo Swinnies of the world.
Not yet. I'm gonna need to see a little bit

(35:32):
more than I've seen so far. I don't know that
the A and M experiment has been a slam dunk
as of yet. Well, I I would have agreed with you,
but what he's done there in a short time, and
they wanted to get out of U T Shadow. They
obviously left for the SEC They were very excited about that,
and then reality sets in and you gotta play Bama

(35:53):
every year and there's all that stuff that happens. But
I I I have to say that I think Jimbo
has entered a lot of the critics, and I think
the aggies, I mean, you know, everybody's like, how crazy
can you be poking the bear that is uh that
is Nick Saban, How how do you well, that's just
you know, they love that stuff. I mean, him him

(36:13):
up there just saying hey, we're not gonna back down
to anybody. What Jimbo needed to do and obviously had
a really nice run at Florida State. It was coming
apart there at the end. He didn't love the facilities.
Coaches never love. They're always wanting something new in a
and m he found a place that is willing to spend. Uh.
It's the perfect storm. They want to outspend the University

(36:34):
of Texas if they can. They want to have better facilities.
It's it's all a huge arms race. And I would
say that he's done some pretty good things there and
and now I'm anxious to see what he can do.
I thought Kellen mond was okay, I thought even pretty
decent college quarterback. He's now, you know, NFL taken in

(36:55):
the fourth, fifth round whatever it was. It was the
third round anyway, he's in the NFL now. But Kellen
Mahn was was it was. He was you know, inherited
by Jimbo uh and and then Jimbo kind of made
the best of it and they ended up having a
pretty good relationship those two. I'm really interested to see
him mold somebody from the start and see what he

(37:17):
could do kind of with his his homegrown chosen quarterback.
I mean that that was not really what Kellen Mond
was I thought they worked pretty well together. But uh,
I think it's I think it's very funny. I thought,
uh sabans response with what you're talking about golf, I
thought it was great. You could tell they do have
some respect for each other, all that kind of thing.

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And really, the only time A and M has gone
in there and done anything is when Johnny was being
Johnny and when the when Johnny Mania Manziel was, you know,
when all that was happening, and A and M went
in there and gotta win. I mean, they have you
the you know, conventional wisdom would say, keep your mouth
shut when you're tucket about the number one team in

(38:01):
the country, the big bully. The one thing I'll say
for Jimbo and A and M and this an old Jimbo.
This is whoever scheduling there. Man, you can't ever accuse
these guys. I mean, they had a home and home
with Clemson. You know, when Clemson was at the peak
of its powers. Now, they didn't know Clemson was gonna
be Clemson seven eight years ago when they made these schedules.

(38:22):
But the I I think A and M is um
on the verge. You know, a couple of years ago. Uh,
it was L s U and we didn't know that
Burrow was gonna become Burrow. So I'm anxious to find
out if A and M could be that next we
were wondering if L s U could become a superpower,

(38:42):
and then once they did, could they remain that way?
So far, it's not looking good for coach. Oh. I
think A and M. I think A and M has
the infrastructure, and I think Jimbo's the coach that could turn.
I mean, they're they've got the best shot right now,
uh to knock off the great Shaban in in the
in in the s C in that in that division. Yeah,

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certainly in the West, I would tend to agree with you.
I guess the one other thing about talking smack to
Saban in particular, you're probably gonna get your rear end
whipped anyway, so you might as well have fun with
it along the way. Like I will say that if
if if A and M goes and get smacked by Alabama,
this is going to come back up even as a joke,
and Saban will probably even bring it up because he's
a pretty savvy guy. He's a pretty clever, kind of

(39:26):
funny guy when he wants to be a witty guy,
and I think Jimbo has that in him too, and
maybe it is going to be a close match up.
I don't I'm not I'm not on the Jimbo train yet,
but I don't completely disagree in terms of the infrastructure
that they have. But yeah, you might as well say
stuff because even the people that are silent are still
getting truck by forty by Alabama. So at least you're

(39:46):
stepping out there and calling your shot. If you turn
out to be right, then it's like, well, look what
Jimbo said. He was ahead of the game, but he
was smart enough to hedge his bets by making it
seem very ingest and all that kind of stuff. I'll
tell you what's not a laughing matter. Aaron Rodgers and
the Green Bay Packers situation from Adam Schefter to Aaron

(40:06):
Rodgers camp, to the Kentucky Derby to where he could land,
to calling gouda Kunst. Jerry Krauss in text conversations, what
a soap opera that we still don't exactly know how
it's gonna end. I don't imagine anything happens until June one.
We're gonna dive deep into the Aaron Rodgers story and
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(40:54):
Matt Mosleys and Dallas and Jason Martin. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
We were at Fox Sports Radio. Everybody to here. Obviously,
we've got Bo Benson, We've got christ Perfett, We've got
Kevin Figgers. That's the trifect to spend in the dollars
radio style for us out in Los Angeles. We know
our team, We're familiar with our team. We like our team,
we like our ownership, Scott Shapiro and the crew. Obviously, Uh,

(41:17):
that can't necessarily be said about Aaron Rodgers, and that
is still the biggest story in Sports. It dwarfed the
first day of the draft, because when you have a
first ballot Hall of Famer and a guy with the
power of Aaron Rodgers in terms of just star power
and celebrity recognition in a league where you wear helmets
for a living, there's only a few guys that really

(41:40):
get that kind of treatment. Aaron Rodgers is certainly one
of them, who has all the money that he has,
who has the bona fides that he does outside of
multiple Super Bowls. And we've seen this movie before in
Green Bay, Matt. We saw this when Aaron Rodgers came
into the league, and we saw an aggrieved older quarterback
who was also a Hall of Famer in Breadth farv

(42:01):
and how it ended there. It seems to me that
Green Bay and quarterbacks, it's never gonna end. It's always
sandpaper when it's time. When it's getting near the end,
green Bay is ready to move on faster than these
quarterbacks think they should, and they get their feelings hurt,
even if it's perceived wrong on the side of the quarterback. Yeah,

(42:23):
it never I remember watching Donovan McNabb when they when
the Eagles took Kevin Cobb in the second round. There's
there's a round that is offensive to star quarterbacks, and
it's the first or second round. Even the third round
can make them a little twitchy, but the first round
it will drive them nuts, especially someone of this magnitude

(42:46):
and and this this guy is wired out way differently
than Brett Farve. It is interesting that the end of
Farv's time ended like it did, and he kind of
had to come out of retirement and they traded him.
And I remember, you know, everybody tracking the flights and
where he was landing, and I was covering a lot
of that as a writer for ESPN dot com and

(43:09):
was watching that all play out. That this is even
social media Twitter. Twitter was just kind of getting rolling
at that point. So it wasn't quite and I mean,
I feel like there was like dead Spin was a
big deal. Back doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
But that that's that was all happening. And so now
we've gone to a different level and Rogers is just

(43:34):
a different character. Although what's interesting is they're both sort
of capable of vanishing at times and just sort of
like dropping little nuggets, and they're both capable of of
leaving the other side just absolutely out to dry. And
I and I think, um, the timing on all this,

(43:55):
you know, every I love this now that that people
are getting after Schefter for Adam Schefter, for oh my gosh,
the timing of it. He waited till the draft. Are
people not dealing with reality? Do they not know that
these insiders wait till Sunday morning to announce stuff because
it drives bigger numbers. I don't I don't understand, like Wady,

(44:17):
why did he wait to report it until the draft?
Why did why did Aaron Rodgers decide to upstage the draft?
I my gosh, give me a break. I I just
think that, Uh, this Aaron Rodgers thing is we love it.
We love things like this. We love during the pandemic
when there are no games. And Tom Brady made the
decision he made to go to Tampa Bay. I mean

(44:39):
that gave us in sports radio, uh and in the
writing world that that was like, we desperately needed that.
We We don't exactly need this Aaron Rodgers thing right
now because there's a lot of other stuff going on.
But here you are, Jason as a you know, and
I have yet to figure out all your teams. I
mean you're you're from one place, kind of la teams

(45:00):
over here. You've got some North Carolina ties, You've got
Kentucky ties. And then oh, by the way, I love
the Denver Broncos, and I think that's the way you lean.
But I get it if you're the Broncos and you've
put together a nice defense and the only time you've
won big was when you had Alway, of course, and
then Elway brings in Manning at the end of his career. Well,

(45:23):
this is if you're sitting there in Denver, you're looking
at it Aaron Rodgers and you're going, this is a
more souped up Peyton. I mean that you've got the
same sort of legendary status, but you have a quarterback
who's still at the top of his game in some
weird sort of ways. You want a Super Bowl with
with Peyton Manning and went to a couple of Super

(45:45):
Bowls in spite of him. I mean, it was great
to have him, and I think he can't help but
rub off on a team and a roster. But in
in Rogers, if you bring him in, you have a
guy who probably could give you two or three more
years of greatness and even what's weird is he he
brings more to his game, uh than even Tom Brady

(46:08):
does with all the things that he could do in
all the armed talent. He just doesn't have the aura
that a Brady has with all those rings. Yeah, I
mean that's that's certainly true. I mean suped up Peyton
Mannings accurate in terms of when Peyton Manning joined the
Denver Broncos the Super Bowl that they lost to Seattle. Uh,
Peyton had a wonderful season that year. The season they won,

(46:29):
they won because of defense. I mean brock Ossawiler actually
played some key games for Denver that season. But you
look at the Broncos futility of the quarterback spot. They've
had exactly one good quarterback draft and it was John Elway.
Since then, the quarterbacks that have won for them are
ones that they've acquired. Even to Jake Plumber that had
success there, I mean he was in Arizona. All the

(46:51):
guys that they've drafted, the Paxiston Lynches of the world,
people like that, none of that has panned out. And
you thought maybe they would take ad Justin Fields at
nine this year. They didn't of doing it. But but
more to Aaron Rodgers and the story there. Um. The
schefter part of this is interesting because he went on
Dan Patrick and I'll read a little bit of about
what he said to DP said, you know, Dan, the
funny part about it is I heard people say, oh,

(47:13):
Aaron Rodgers wanted that out before the draft. I can
assure you Aaron Rodgers did not want that out before
the draft. I've had people say, oh, the Green Bay
Packers planted that. It was a very pro Packers story.
I can assure you the Green Bay Packers didn't plant that.
When people guess at where stories come from, more often
than not, they're usually wrong, and in this case they're wrong.
This was an accumulation all during the offseason of just

(47:35):
listening to people talk and observing. If we go back
to the title game green Bay lost at home, did
we not hear Aaron Rodgers after that game talk about
his level of unhappiness if you will uncertainty for the future.
Just go back and listen to that press conference. It
almost sounds like he's saying goodbye to Green Bay. And
so you're antenna's up. And then you find out later
on that you know, there was at least a report

(47:56):
that the forty Niners had called up and made a
draft offer, which he says they didn't make a draft
draft offer. They never made an offer. But but there's
all this stuff. So there's just a mess here. You
know what I like is that it that Adam and
I've known him for years, he sort of used that
report to say, in a sense, all this is about
to come out some If somebody's gonna put all this out,

(48:19):
it might as well be I should do it. But
but by the way, the initial report was wrong. So
it's like I'm gonna shoot down poor Paul Allen or
whoever put that out. But but here it is, and
and and that's it. There's there's some smoke there. And
then it was at some point it's like, you know what,
I can go ahead. And and absolutely it's as more

(48:40):
and schefter and rap report all these people are. They're
they're they're wired to put things out at a certain time. Absolutely,
you're sitting there on draft day and you're six hours
or whatever it was, or ten hours before the draft dropped,
the bomb drop it, you got you got seven you've
got six hours of additional programming, and then that thing

(49:02):
just upstages. In some sense, the whole draft, but the
thought that maybe he gets traded to Denver or wherever
even bring I mean, you're gonna get a huge audience
no matter what. But it even brings more eyes to
the table. So it made the draft more interesting too,
because yeah, as you said, yeah, upstaged did. But at
the same time, it made every pick more interesting because

(49:24):
you were wondering, are we about to get some kind
of a trade here when Denver takes Patrick's or ten
a second at number nine? Are they taking him to
then give him to Green Bay? What are the Raiders
gonna do here? Some of these other situations where maybe
Aaron Rodgers could fit one of the Niners gonna do
at three and then he up taking they end up
taking trade lands. A lot of that stuff is interesting.

(49:47):
The only thing I kind of rolled my eyes about
is Chefter saying there's not a source. This is accumulation
of information. All of this. It's like, no, I mean,
you knew what you were doing, Like you knew you
were gonna do this on Thursday afternoon, at like two
thirty five hours before the draft and more. And there's
nothing wrong with that. I've seen Jake Glazer do that
a million times. Uh, you've you've been doing this for

(50:08):
a very long time, and you say you know Adam
Schefter fairly well from your time at ESPN in particular. Um,
when you look at it from a journalist perspective as
somebody that wrote for ESPN dot com and and knows
that universe surrounding the NFL, how do you assess how
Schefter has played this since it's come out. Is it
possible based on kind of the way he's walking this

(50:30):
back that somebody in the packers organization or somebody's just
kind of like, hey man, this wasn't actually supposed to
get out. But Schefter was just like, look, if you've
got information that Aaron Rodgers doesn't want to be in
Green Bay, and it's buttoned up, and you understand that
it's truthful, then why in the world would Adam Schefter
not report that. That's his job to do that, even

(50:50):
if it ruffles the feathers, and it's information that uh
parties wouldn't have wanted to get out. And I don't
buy for a second, by the way, that Aaron Rodgers
didn't want that story out. You know, I, as far
as journalists go, I never I tried never to um question,
you know, another guy, his tactics or whatever. Bottom line

(51:11):
is this, Like any journalist, he thought he had a
what he thought was a pretty huge story, and and
he thought if he didn't go ahead and get it
out there, somebody was and you don't want to let
somebody else roll with that. And then there's safety in Schefter,
there's safety in numbers. Uh. Then Charles Robinson from Yahoo,

(51:31):
who's a friend of mine, comes out with a you know,
and kind of piggybacks a little bit on that. And
then of course then uh McGinn from UH who's covered
the Packers forever, Bob McGinn comes out and and he
builds on that last report. So there's safety when a
guy like Schefter, who's the you know, one of the
huge guys he and Glazer or that big eight hundred

(51:53):
pound guerilla of information men, when they go out there,
then everybody's like, Okay, I think we can come out
and and and report whatever. Um So, I don't really
have any thought on what he did other than the
timing was right in his mind and it caused a
huge stir and it's exactly what he wanted. And uh so, yeah,

(52:14):
I don't None of that surprises me at all. What
surprises me about insiders sometimes is that they'll go on
Dan Patrick and I think there's this urge to need
to say something. And it's always funny to me that
they'll cause a stir on like somebody else's show, when
they could cause their own stir on their own Twitter,
you know page. So it's it's that that part of

(52:35):
it kind of fascinates me sometimes. But I I, here's
what I think on this thing. I I don't understand
why Green Bay continues to They've got a quarterback who's
still at the top of his game. Why do you
almost purposely get in a battle with this guy a
battle of wills. First of all, you disrespect him with

(52:57):
a quarterback you bring in um that guy doesn't even
seem close to play, and yet talking about Jordan's love
and and it's kind of like they almost when they
know he love has like a pet cat sort of thing,
has some player he loves. It's almost like you know
they're gonna get rid of that guy. It's it's just

(53:17):
a weird relationship. What I thought had happened was Okay,
he got sick of McCarthy, that wasn't a really great
relationship get him on out of town? All right? They
did that. They bring in a younger guy closer to
his age, almost kind of looks like him in a
certain way. Or could these guys ride together? So he

(53:38):
strikes me as a guy, honestly who's probably never happy.
And you see guys like this as the NBA that
are never truly like, has lebron ever truly loved his
head coach? I mean, he might have enjoyed Mike Brown
at some point, and maybe they've ended up being good pals.
Maybe there are certain people he likes more than others.
But if we ever thought like like lebron On truly thought,

(54:01):
oh my gosh, I've got the greatest coach. No, it's
not how he's wired, and in some superstars are not
wired to ever like truly embrace anything. So um, you know,
I don't even know. Even though they won all those
titles together, were Belichick and Brady ever truly close. Maybe not,
maybe not. It's just a relationship that was unbelievable for

(54:24):
both of them. But I think Rogers is I think
both sides are making a complete mess of this and
look bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's bad optics all
the way around here. You can see it from both sides.
I can understand Aaron rodgers frustration. At the same time,
I also know what the backup quarterback situation was for

(54:45):
Green Bay. And then the story came out this week, Well,
we were gonna take Justin Jefferson, we were gonna take
Brandon Auk. Both of those guys went before we could
get to them. We were actually trying to move up
to get Jefferson. We didn't get there fast enough. Minnesota
and our division took him, and then of course the
Niners take Brandon Aiyuk. Problem there is okay, well how
do you go from that too, Well, we've got to

(55:05):
go take a backup quarterback in the first round. Like
I I'm not saying I don't believe them with that part.
But there were still a lot of very talented receivers
that were still A T. Higgins out there. There were
still some talented guys that went in the second round
instead of going to grab a player that was designed
to help Aaron Rodgers and maybe try to quell some
of the ill feelings that might have existed between the

(55:26):
front office and the star quarterback. They went the complete
opposite way and said, well, we're just gonna draft your understudy.
And and Aaron Rodgers, to me is somebody that sent
college and since sitting in that draft room for a
little bit too long, has had a gigantic chip on
his shoulder, and I think it's sometimes in some ways
feels inadequate. I think there's a level of insecurity in him.

(55:49):
But I think the comparison you make between Aaron Rodgers
and Lebron James is similar because I think both of
those guys have a hard time respecting coaches because they
believe themselves to be the smartest guy in every room.
And if you believe that you are smarter than the
head coaches that you play with, it's hard to respect
them as coaches. And I think that might be the

(56:09):
biggest thing. I think Mike Brown and Lebron get along.
I think Tyler and Lebron get along. I think maybe
even and Lebron get along. But that's I mean personally,
they serve him, they report to him. I mean, any
coach in the same way with Jordan's although Phil had
I mean there was a respect level there with Phil
Jackson that was sort of a different level type deal.

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But I mean super a lot of these superstars do
end up having that relationship with their coach and that
kind of thing, which is why it was always wild
that Brady had the ability. Now he did all his
T twelve or whatever it is, and I need to
do some of that myself, but he he he had
all that stuff on the side. But for the most part, man,

(56:55):
he he left his ego out of that thing and
and and bough into whatever the evil empire was of
the of the Patriots. Where where Rogers. That's an interesting point.
I mean, now we're almost like putting him on the couch. Uh,
But that's an interesting point. You said that there's some
kind of chip on his shoulder, and part of that,
maybe the part that you can't compare with Lebron is

(57:18):
he hasn't had that type of of success as far
as winning championships. Yes, that's right, that's absolutely yeah, that's
absolutely right. So I think there's I think we can
get deeper into that. Well, we'll keep Aaron Rodgers on
the psychiatrist couch. We'll come back and go into the
psyche of star athletes, and Rogers I think is a
prime example of this because Rogers has leverage. Everybody says

(57:40):
green Bay has all the leverage. I don't know how
you have leverage when a guy is willing to walk
away and has the money to say screw you. Will
be right back. And it's Jason Martin and Matt Moseley
in for Anthony Gargano here on The Fellows on Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome back on a Saturday. The weekend has arrived.
Hope it's gonna be good for you. Hey, let me

(58:01):
just go ahead and throw this out to you, fellas.
Tomorrow is Mother's Day. If you've forgotten that. Um, I
don't know what you can arrange, but you might want
to arrange something for my wife. It's her first Mother's
Day as a mother, So I probably don't want to
get that wrong. Um, and I'm not going to get
it wrong. But somebody had sent me a message. They

(58:21):
were like, do not underestimate how important this Mother's Day
is to Abbey. Uh, not somebody that knew her, but
somebody that knows the situation. So like, you better not
get this one wrong. Well, I I tend not to,
but um, I want to go all out. I want
to roll out the red carpet, to say the least,
it's a fellas here on Fox Sports Radio. Anthony Gargano
out today, Jason Martin, Matt Mosley in at Fox Sports Radio,

(58:43):
at Matt Mosley at j mart Radio, Uh, Matt, Mother's
Day weekend, first look. Three weeks ago, Clara Grace, our
first daughter was born, our first child for both of us. Uh.
We met kind of later in life and we spent
a year together. We got a dog, but we spent
a year together where we just kind of wanted, uh,
just to enjoy that first year marriage and then then

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it was time for the child. So now the child's
here three weeks old. Tomorrow is Mother's Day? How important
on a scale of preseason to championship around, whether it's
a final round to Augusta, whether it's the final, the
the NBA Finals, whether it's the Super Bowl. How important
is tomorrow for me as a husband? Well, I think

(59:29):
you're in such a whirlwind that I I think you're
it sounds a little bit like you're overthinking Mother's Day.
I I yes, you need to deliver and you need
to come through with something nice. But what you guys
are going through on those in these early stages. I don't.
I don't think you like what you're doing. And when

(59:50):
you say you tag in, and it seems to like
you're using all your you've you've had a past and
professional wrestling. Um, but when you tag in, I mean
that that's you're doing a lot right there. Now. I
would just get something really special, like one thing. This
is not a mother's day where you need to be
out trying to get like five things. This is go

(01:00:11):
get a like some beautiful necklace, this is some beautiful
ear rings whatever. I mean, I have a diamond. Maybe
you should be involved in this, but I would just
do one very very special thing. And I wouldn't. This
is not There'll be mother's days where you'll be running
around and your daughter will be old enough to be

(01:00:32):
helping you, and you'll be running around town trying to
find like a soap set or something you know that uh,
you know, just something whatever, a bath bomb that that
that'll be. That's what life becomes. But now you just
need one really nice thing and that's okay, that's that's it.
And just something kind of special and uh and and

(01:00:54):
and I think it you know, I mean, if like
you were in Texas you'd be looking for something, and
I know your background, you would be going to like
James Avery, and you would be finding some kind of
thing that commemorates what you guys have been through. All right,
So I feel like I'm doing commercials now. I don't
think James Avery is. Uh maybe maybe they're gonna give
you a call after the show if they have already,

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but uh, yeah, I get just one thing. Just don't
be running around. This is not the time to be
trying to buy a bunch of outfits and things like that.
Well I don't, I don't ever do the close thing.
I'll get her teachers from time to time. But she's
definitely somebody that would rather just tell me what she
actually wants in terms of clothing, so that I don't

(01:01:39):
just make a purchase that it's just not something she wants.
And and we're fine with that at our age, with
maybeing forty two her not quite forty, but just about
it's just kind of like, all right, at this point
in time, we kind of understand the gift thing. Might
as well get you something you actually want, as opposed to, hey,
I got you this outfit. Maybe it's good, Like I
can do that for the daughter, and I've already done

(01:02:00):
that for the daughter, and she's been happy with the purchases.
I may not my daughter and my wife, but when
it comes to the wife, she'll tell me the dress
or she'll even send me the link. Hey, I know,
it takes a lot some of the surprise out of it.
What I actually have gotten her, which I'm not gonna
announce just in case she happens to be listening, because
she's probably up with my daughter right now. Um is

(01:02:21):
something she definitely did not ask for her, and it
was a swing on my part. So I'm hoping that
it pays dividends tomorrow. I don't know if it's a
first round draft pick or not, but it's something I've
wanted to have for a while, so I went that route.
So I'm hoping that pay. I'm hoping that pans out.
I think you simply wishing her happy birthday on a
national Saturday morning radio show might do the trick. I

(01:02:45):
mean I would, at least I would at least put
that in the mix. Well, I mean, her birthday is
in November, but certainly, Happy Mother's Day to Abby Uh
in advance, and happy Mother's Day to all of the
mothers out there. But yeah, if you haven't done something yet, uh,
you might need to slip way for a couple of
hours today because I don't think you want to forget
and not have flowers or candy or something, at least

(01:03:06):
a reservation to a decent restaurant, something for the moms,
because it's a crazy year that we all just went through,
and mom's probably had a very unique and challenging circumstance
with the kids being at home more often and all
of that kind of thing. So, uh, just a little
bit of a diversion there. But Aaron Rodgers, as we
were talking about in that first segment, and then during
the break, I look over on ESPN and Jeremy Fowler,

(01:03:28):
who's a friend of my radio program in Nashville, has
a list of quarterbacks that the Packards are looking at
potentially to bring in at least to shore up the
backup room. And it's the obvious names. It's the Brian Hoyers,
it's the Nick Foles, it's the Gardner men shows. I
continue to believe Gardner Minshew is basically the new Ryan Fitzpatrick.
But there's a lot of guys out there that they're

(01:03:50):
starting to look at the indicators still to me lead
towards Aaron Rodgers not playing, and some people think that's nuts,
and oh, he's definitely gonna play. I heard A J.
Hawks say that yesterday I'm Sports Radio, and not to
disagree other than I mean, Hawk obviously knows Aaron Rodgers
more than me and understands that organization. But the Aaron
Rodgers that I have come to pay attention to as

(01:04:13):
a human being in the NFL and otherwise is a
kind of guy that is incredibly spiteful, and it is
incredibly narcissistic, at least in the in the impression that
he puts out. He may not be, but it certainly
comes across that way. I don't want to judge him,
but the behaviors and some of the ways, the passive
aggressive nature with with the kind of the way he

(01:04:35):
conducts himself, he comes across pretty narcissistic to me. He's
also a dude, Matt that's made two hundred and forty
million dollars already in his career and has state farm money.
This is a guy who ain't playing for a paycheck.
I mean, he's gonna make the money and he's gonna
be fine, and he wants to be highest paid. I
don't think it's as much because of the money as
it is just to be the highest pay I think

(01:04:57):
it's more a status. It's more he wants to be
recognized for this thing he wants to put it. He
he wants to be on that pedestal more than he
needs a paycheck. And now that Slene Woodley is there,
it's not like Sylene hasn't made money too. There's a
lot of money in that family. There's enough money to
walk home. He's not on a rookie contract where he
where He's actually still trying to provide for at least

(01:05:18):
his extended family. I mean, five generations of Rogers are
covered financially already. He could retire today he goes into
the Hall of Fame. He's technically got nothing left to prove.
He wants to win another Super Bowl, yes, because he
doesn't want to be a one super Bowl winning quarterback.
And there's a literat of those that are going to
the Hall of Fame, but they're not necessarily regarded in

(01:05:39):
the same way as maybe they would be if they
cashed in more than once. I think what you're what
you're really getting at is is true? He's sort of
he's a he's sort of a weirdo, uh in some ways.
And and I I love watching him and respect him
so much as a quarterback, but as a person. And

(01:06:00):
I've seen this in professional golf. Patrick Reid comes to
mind like Aaron Rodgers has stopped. And I you know,
you know, everybody knows the story, although we don't talk
about it in a whole lot. I don't think he's
talked to his parents in years. He's pretty much cut
them out of his life. So like his capacity for
holding grudges. And again I don't I don't pretend to

(01:06:23):
know what's going on there, but there's something strange afoot.
And and he's just he's a he's an odd character.
And while I think he loves the packers, I think
he loves the fans. I think he's come to be
defined by playing in that cold and embracing the advantage

(01:06:44):
in some ways that Lambeau gives them. Like his ability
to stick stick this thing out is you know, unparalleled
in some sense. Now he's also capable of in like
a month going on that show you mentioned with uh, Matt,

(01:07:05):
what's his name? McAfee or whatever, the McAfee yeah with
a jhawk and and going on with them, and and
and and like basically playing this off as some elaborate
prank or joke or something like that. Like that's there's
still that possibility. And that goes back to why Schefter

(01:07:28):
and others or a little bit reluctant I think to
get this story out there, because it's like, you don't
want to hammer this one hard and then look foolish
like a couple of days later. Now the thing has
gone on for enough time that even if he reversed
his course, I don't think really anybody looks too foolish

(01:07:49):
on this story, except for Rogers and expect and except
for their management, because they can't seem to get it right.
They they you know, how do you let this? How
do you just completely let a legendary great quarterback just
get away from you? How do you just lose the
relationship that much? You see it sometimes the NBA where

(01:08:11):
guys just up and they go, Okay, I want out
of here. Now, I'm demanding my way out hardened. Did
it just this past year? It really didn't happen that
often in the NFL. The only time the demands were made.
We're like with l A and uh like with Eli Manning,
demands were made to not play somewhere. You didn't have

(01:08:34):
guys asking out of of of of of of situations.
For the most part, you didn't have a lot of it.
Now in some were In some ways, the NFL is
becoming a little more like the n b A in
what we like to call UH player empowerment. And so
I think that's what you're seeing here. And I think
what you're seeing is a guy who's flexing his muscles

(01:08:56):
a little bit and saying, now Rogers has to watch
it here, Jason, because he he could lose, like at
some point the Packers fans, as much as they love
him and as much as he's accomplished, there are gonna
get sick of this. And and they probably already are.
And so they'll they'll they'll move on and go, Okay,

(01:09:18):
what's next? What are we looking at next? And all
I would say is be extremely careful with that, because
you've seen teams get get out there in the quarterback wilderness,
you like the Broncos. I mean, you've seen him the
Chicago Bears are excited about, you know, taking fields, and
they as well as they should be. How long have
the Bears been into the quarterback wilderness? Well, it goes

(01:09:40):
back for thirty thirty years, thirty four years, Jim McMahon,
and honestly, they rode that team. They rode the defense
in Walter Payton to a Super Bowl win. So it
goes back even further than that. So I I would
just say the Packers are to be extremely careful here
and listen. If if they had Mahomes, they this could

(01:10:04):
play out differently. They could kind of move on. You know.
The Chiefs brought in a great you know, an unbelievable
young quarterback what but we knew he was he needed
maybe a year and that there was the chance of greatness.
I don't what do we know of Jordan's love. I
don't like, has he advanced any during all this? Well,

(01:10:25):
like Packers said, the Packers say yes, the I mean
the reports where the Packers didn't even want a quarterback
in return because they they feel ready to hand it
to Jordan's love. But I say, well, that of course
that's what you're gonna say right now. Uh, you want
the leverage to be on your side, and you want
the narrative to be spun in your direction. I have
no idea, Like I don't think anybody does. We haven't

(01:10:46):
seen Jordan Love play football in the NFL. We have
no idea. If they're really high on him. Okay, uh,
that's fine. But I also think you want people to
believe you're really high on him in order to improve
your chances of getting the assets you want in return.
Speaking of assets, Kevin Figger giant asset for Fox Sports Radio.

(01:11:07):
Such an asset that I mispronounced his name. It's Kevin Figgers.
Kevin right ahead, brother, but appreciate it there, Jason. Let's
also start with some baseball here. Way Miley the latest
pitcher thrusting himself into the record books, the thirty four
year old lefty striking out eight batters. He did walk
one un route to pitching the fourth no hitter of
the young Major League baseball season. It would be five

(01:11:28):
if they would have counted medicine Bump Garner seven inning
no hitter, but that does not go down into the
record books as an official no hitter. Oakland starter Shamanah
had a no hitter going into the eighth inning. He
allowed two hits. Ultimately, the A's did hold on to
beat Tampa Bay two to one, Mike Trout and RBI
triple leading the Angels over the scuffling Dodgers nine to two.
The Dodgers rival Giants are in first place in the

(01:11:50):
National League West. They got a home run from Buster Posey.
They defeated San Diego five to four. You had victories
for the White Sox, Twins and the Phillies. Jack Flaherty
pitching seven shut out innings for St. Louis. He also
hit a home run as they shut out Colorado five nothing.
In the NBA, Damian Livitt score thirty eight points, leading
Portland to a one oh six to one on one
victory over the Lakers. The loss drops the Lakers to

(01:12:12):
the seventh seat in the Western Conference. You at victories
for the top two seats in the West, Utah and Phoenix.
They both vick one on Friday night. Phoenix with a
comeback win over the Knicks. Dallas be Cleveland. Joel and
beat thirty seven points as Philadelphia beat New Orleans. Speaking
of New Orleans, before their matchup, the Pelicans announced Zai
and Williamson will be out indefinitely after fracturing a finger

(01:12:33):
on his left hand back to the Fellows with Jason
Martin and Matt Mosley. Thank you, Kevin. We are in
the Fox Sports Radio studios. It is the Fellow's Anthony
Gargano out today. Jason Martin, Matt Moseley are in. You
can follow. We'll follow all of us at Fox Sports Radio.
You can follow at Matt Moseley at j mart Radio. Um,
do you feel like Matt and here in this couple

(01:12:54):
of minutes before we get to this break, do you
feel like the Green Bay Packers actually believe that they
can make this thing work? Or do you think they
have the guts or the spite on their own side
to say, you know what, We're not going to trade you,
because that's insane. Why would we trade Aaron Rodgers. He

(01:13:16):
doesn't have a no trade clause, he can't. He couldn't
stop us from sending him anywhere. But we're not sending
him anywhere. We're not sending away the reigning league m
v P and one of the greatest quarterbacks of all
time away because that's gonna put us in history books
for all the wrong reasons. You either play for us
or yeah, you get out of the league. Do you
think the Packers actually have that in them if it

(01:13:36):
comes down to brass tacks post June first, when the
dead cat money changes. No, I think he plays somewhere
this season in in what would win the day for
the Packers in terms of their decision to trade him
would be I mean you just have to look at
how crazy the Rams went for uh, for an aging

(01:14:01):
quarterback in Matthew Stafford. I mean you and there were
different reasons for it, but but they ended up paying
an enormous price. And so if you're a Denver I
mean as you wanted to be or whoever you're sitting
out there, and and if you offer enough, which is
like two or three first round picks, third round pick,

(01:14:23):
maybe a player in the deal, maybe a starting player.
I mean, if you offer enough, um, Green Bay is
gonna do the deal. And as as stubborn as this
guy is, I don't think he's capable of giving up
like year thirty seven or thirty eight, whatever he'll be.

(01:14:44):
I think he's thirty seven years old to give up
a And it sounds weird to say in his prime,
but to watch what Brady's done and to realize how
high a level that Aaron Rodgers is still playing. I
I don't think the is. I really think there's only
like a two two to three percent chance that he

(01:15:07):
sits out a season, or that green Bay even allows
that to happen, because I do think they would be
forced into a trade. Now he could try a retirement
and and pool sort of a FARV. He has that
blueprint out there, but uh, it is that part of it,
and you brought it up. Is fascinating that we were

(01:15:28):
here whatever it was eleven or twelve years ago with
FARV and now. Uh. The only difference is I don't
buy that love is ready. I think there I think
you could buy because Aaron Rodgers was at one point
rumored to be the best quarterback in that draft slips
all the way to twenty four, to the ends, there

(01:15:49):
was a true case to be made that he was ready.
And I don't think I've really heard nothing that makes
me totally believe Jordan's love is at that point. Yeah,
and if the organization saying and then it has to
be true, right, I mean, except for the fact that
it usually isn't when the organization is saying it, when
they benefit from the information when we come back. The

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one mistake I think the Packers have made is if
they don't think that they can work this thing out,
why wouldn't you trade him before the draft. I'll explain
a little bit when we come back. It's the Fellows.
Jason Martin, Matt Mosley in for Anthony Gargano here on
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. It's the Fellows here on
a Saturday morning on Fox Sports Radio. We're excited to

(01:16:32):
have you as a part of the program. By we,
I mean Matt Moseley down in Dallas, Jason Martin here
in Nashville with you. Crew was in l a trifect
to spend in the dollars radio style doing a fantastic job.
That's Christo Perfett, That's Kevin Figures, and that's Bob Benson.
Use their names, don't wear them out at Matt Moseley
at j mart Radio. So I teases for the Brakemann,

(01:16:54):
I want to get your thoughts on this. If you're
the Green Bay Packers and you since this is the end,
that there's gonna be a divorce here, or a conscious uncoupling,
as I think Gwyneth Paltrow called it years ago. If
there's gonna be a bill with Melinda Gates situation here,
the next phase in our lives, we're not going to

(01:17:14):
be fruitful together, so we're going to move on. You know,
all that kind of stuff. Wouldn't it have behooved you
to make this move prior to the draft, because let's
say you go to Denver and Denver's like, all right,
I'll give you three first round picks and maybe you
get certain out of this, and maybe that's what you want,
and and you're fine there, but you drafted a corner
in the first round on your own. Denver is not

(01:17:36):
gonna have the ninth pick. If they've got Aaron Rodgers
as a quarterback, they're gonna be late in the teams
at best or at worst. If you're if you're Denver, certainly,
or you're gonna be in the twenties somewhere. Because Aaron
Rodgers is gonna win you football games. You're not gonna
be one of the worst teams in the league. Even
if you have to give up a couple of talented
guys on rookie deals, whether it's a Bradley Chub or

(01:17:56):
whether it's a Jerry Judy or someone like that. Green
Bay holding onto him means wherever he goes. The draft
capital they get in return, it's probably not gonna be
anywhere near as good, because the best pick that you're
going to get is the one you get before you
send the all world deity at quarterback over to that
team to then go win games and ruin your draft position.

(01:18:19):
You you know, you figured out your own question there,
because really what it comes down to is something we
were just talking about. You you you make that move
if you've got the makings look like a young Mahomes
or something. The fact that they still don't really have
a great feel for what they have in this backup
quarterback or this rookie, this first round pick that they made.

(01:18:41):
I think, um, I think sort of uh looms in
the background of why they didn't do it. And plus
I just think they probably didn't get You know, we
don't know exactly what the offers. World will hear rumors.
We've already heard rumors of maybe what Denver was willing
to do, but I don't think you I don't think
it was anywhere near what they thought, what kind of
value they thought, And I still think and teams always

(01:19:03):
think that. Now. Of course the Texans are in just
I mean, this is just a ridiculous situation they're in
with Watson. But even before that, you know, they had
just lost him, they had everything had just fallen apart.
They went and hired a head coach with the thought
of maybe he'll like this guy. So somebody in that
organization thinks we can calm this down, and he gives

(01:19:28):
us the best chance to win for two or three
more years, so we're not gonna trade him. The problem
is there there GM. You said his name earlier. I like,
I like it when you say his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I like that. Um I that he clowns on this
guy so much that's hard to heal. Now they'll be fine,

(01:19:51):
But I mean this is he has embarrassed this man.
It really has, and and and and now they both
everybody looks bad here, but that guy ends up getting
fired over all this, he will be the first guy
thrown overboard, I promise you. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he
has definitely been emasculated and castrated basically, uh in public

(01:20:12):
over this situation. Yeah. Those are some bold, bold terms,
but also not inaccurate terms as it relates to this
Aaron Rodgers situation. So shockingly enough, I mean the Houston
story is I we don't have enough show to describe
how dysfunctional it actually is in Houston. But we're only

(01:20:33):
halfway home on The Fellas here this morning on Saturday,
still half of the show still to go. We certainly
will jump into the five quarterbacks selected in the NFL
Draft and look at that. Also, Tyler Dunne, my friend
at golong tv dot com, has written about Jordan's love.
This morning, we can talk some about that. The Fellas
returns in five Welcome back to the Fox Sports Radio

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thought a lot of Aaron Rodgers in that last hour.
One thing that we have not gotten to is Zion.
I want to talk about him here in just just
a second. But it's interesting watching these younger guys in

(01:21:40):
the n B a I I. One of the things
I said on the Jason Martin Show, which you can
hear Sundays from three to six am Eastern on many
of these same Fox Sports radio stations, is I felt
like John Morant would end up being the better player
in the NBA, having the better career at least than
Zion would. And as somebody that loves the NBA, I
wanted to get your thoughts on it before we talk

(01:22:01):
about the specific issue that's going on with Zion. I
think I felt like both of them had a chance
to be Hall of famers. But the thing I was
concerned about for Zion was his body type and the
way he plays. We're gonna be very conducive to injuries.
And the league has gone the way of the John
Morantz style. It's much more a guards league. It's much

(01:22:22):
more a three point shooting league. Zion was a little
bit limited as an offensive player. It made me wonder
about both this longevity and the fact that he's playing
the NBA game like it's twenty years ago to some degree,
but with athleticism that's that's outrageous, whereas John Morant seemed
more fit to play the game of Now. Yeah, I

(01:22:45):
and and you may end up being right in the end.
I love watching John Morant. I I don't know. I
mean it is I sometimes go and look at him
and Deer and Fox in my mind and go, Okay,
who's gonna have the better career? That they're both extremely
entertaining job maybe I mean, they're both crazy athletic. Morant

(01:23:09):
may even be a little more explosive than Deer and Fox.
Dear Fox is just fast. He's kind of what we
thought John Wall was early on, before John Wall had
the injuries and all that kind of stuff. So all
those things are interesting. But now, Zion I, I I
find the coverage of him interesting because we were obsessed
with this guy in some ways. We treated him like

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Lebron's entrance into the n B A and then and
then we all left him. And maybe it's because he's
with the Pelicans and we don't really care about them
that much. And he's playing with Ingram and it's just
not that not that Huger thing. They're not that great.
But I find that really weird that And ESPN does
that every once in a while. Uh, and Fox does
it to all these places, like he we we go

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crazy over somebody, and then all of a sudden it's like, uh,
let's let's focus on something else. Let's talk about something else.
And meanwhile, the guys scoring like twenty six or twenty
seven a game. He's going crazy. You know, we were
talking earlier about Michael Porter Jr. Emerging and and so
you say, okay, he has the game of ten years

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ago or something. But I would say he's talented enough
that he can kind of transcend any era. I mean,
like his explosiveness, in his power, in his size, talking
about Zion, I think it plays in any era. Now
we we now forget that Blake Griffin at one point
was insanely talented in crazy good I mean like he

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was he was, I mean, he was just it was
incredible and and and whatever it was with the seven
eight year run, the six year run he had, I mean,
he was unbelievable. We we sort of forget like that
Webber had that burst as well in the NBA, where
he was great for like a six or seven year stretch.
So I don't know, when you play that physical, are

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you bound to get like one of these injuries. I
don't know. This doesn't seem to me like something where
that's gonna like, oh my gosh, three or four years
from now, we're still talking about it, he'll be okay.
But I do find it fast. I like that his
the GM there and I know you're gonna set this
up and talk about it, but I I love that
he's gone after the officiating and said, hey, it's it's

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the way this guy is officiated. I listen, if you
watch the Pelicans, which I do a fair amount, how
many times does this guy go to the line of game.
I mean he's getting he's going to the line. He's
taking like ten free throws a game, he's getting to
the line. So I have a hard time just saying,
oh my gosh, it's life is unfair and they're not

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treating Zion uh Farell. I mean, it's it's part of
the game. If you're huge and you're a massive you're
a massive humanity, things are gonna happen. Like this. Yeah,
you know, I think that. I think at one point
David Griffin's trying to put a spotlight on his guy
so that the officials try to pay attention to it
a little bit more. But I think there's a deeper
conversation to have about Zion in this situation. But yes,

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let's hear from Pelicans Vice president David Griffin, uh and
how he tried to set this up for the future
perhaps for Zion. As Zion is now out for an
undisclosed amount of time indetermined amount of time after a
CT scan because of a finger injury, that Griffin seems

(01:26:34):
to believe the league has culpability and listen to the
Pelicans vice president, I'm really frustrated because this was avoidable. Um.
We told the NBA through every means available to us,
through sending in film, through speaking to everybody in the
officials department, everybody in basketball operations, that the way they
were officiating Zion was going to get him injured. Um.

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And quite frankly, he's injured now because of the open
season that there's been on Zion Williamson in the paint. Um,
he has been absolutely mauled in the paint on a
regular basis, to the point that other players have said
to him, I'm going to keep doing this to you
because they don't call it. So there's more violence encouraged

(01:27:20):
in the paint against Zion Williamson than any player I've
seen since Shack. Um. It was egregious and horrific then
and the same as true now. Um. I'm particularly disappointed
in myself and our organization. We did a very poor
job apparently of explaining in the proper sense of with
the proper sense of urgency, how severe this situation was

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from a league perspective. Um, that's my fault. Um. This
situation is very much something that should have been able
to be avoided if we were protecting our players in
the way that we should be uh in the league,
and this just was not done. So again I'm I'm
very disappointed that he's not going to be available um

(01:28:04):
here for the foreseeable future anyway. Um, but I'm more
disappointed in our in us quite frankly, that we weren't
able to bring the the appropriate sense of urgency to
the league conversation around the way he was officiated. So
Zions out with a fractured left ring finger and David
Griffin saying this was avoidable if the league was better

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at officiating, and maybe they were better at communicating to
the league how to officiate Zion. There are two examples.
The Shack example that Griffin mentions is certainly apt. It's
the first one that came to my mind. I think
lebron is also somewhat of an example. But Cam Newton
is another example. Cam screamed and yelled and whined and
said I'm getting killed back here. And I didn't think

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he was incorrect about that, And especially in that Super
Bowl with the Broncos, they were taking some shots at him.
A lot of guys were taking shots at him. I
think there's another side to this, and that is how
much of this is Zion's new league and he doesn't
necessarily get those superstar calls yet, And how much of

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this is Zion is so big that a lot of
things don't even look like fouls, or in your mind,
you're just like, he's big enough, he can handle that,
it's no big deal. And as a result, he does
get hacked. Blake Griffin got destroyed, and I think I
think people believe Blake was soft. I think people in
illegue believe Blake was soft or they wanted to turn

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him soft, They wanted to make him putty, so they
tried to bully him Zion. I don't think that strategy
is gonna work if that's what you're trying to accomplish
with Zion Williamson. But how much do you have to do,
Matt to Zion Williamson for him to really show, Hey,
I was fouled because me. You know, I didn't play

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in the NFL, I didn't play in the n b A.
I'm fairly strong now. But if you came, you could
push me five seconds, and you could push me five
steps back something like that, you would know that something
had happened to me, the contact was made, and something
would happen. But Zion, he's close to a superhero, Matt like,
people bounce off of that guy because of how strong
he is, how powerful he is, how explosive he is.

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And I think to some degree, not to defend the
NBA officials, but I do think it's hard to officiate
a player with those traits and those characteristics. Well, what
what they're doing now? And I agree with you, but
they're getting on the record, uh and saying, look what happened.
We didn't do enough. What Griffin is saying right now

(01:30:37):
is something like Mark Cuban and having paid very close
attention that over the years has been doing for years,
is Hey, we're gonna chart officials. We're gonna do this.
I mean, he stayed after the officials forever, to the
detriment of the organization at times, because he sat down
there and shouted at the officials and it probably did
not pay off in any sort of positive way at times,

(01:30:57):
but he did call people out and it ought attention
to it. That is exactly what Griffin's doing now. Um,
I think Griffin regret and and and he also you know,
talked about how Zion is not really wired to get technicals.
If you recall, although he's a funny, sort of seemingly
unflappable guy, Blake Griffin went through a period of time

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where he got all sorts of technicals and it was constant,
and he was fighting back and and and maybe in
some circles that got him a reputation as a whiner
or this and that he felt like, but he he
definitely fought back against that. It's but but I think
that's a good comparison and Shacks an interesting one. Shack

(01:31:42):
was so huge that everybody bounced off of him. I mean,
he just you know, it was still when you could
get away with being a guy playing down low and
throw it down low and be dominant. That NBA is gone. Now.
Zion is not that guy. Zion's finding driving pines. Where
Zion can help himself is to do something that obviously

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Ben Simmons probably will never be able to do, develop
a more consistent outside shot. He tries it. I mean
it's like you'll look at his you'll look at his
box score. He'll try a two or three. Three's a game.
You know, at some point if if like Lebron, he
can add that to his game, well that opens things up.
You can't, like, if you're out in the wide open

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after taking a three, when it's in the corner or
atop the key, you can't have a guy grabbing your
arm and getting away from it. So in some ways
his game has to evolve to get him past all this,
and and and he's a young player, and and maybe
he'll start to get superstar treatment or whatever, and maybe

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what Griffin saying is somewhat true. Maybe this player has
to you hate to encourage somebody to wine. Luca's wine
too much as a young player, and he's one technical
away from losing a game. Draymond was horrible about it
for years and years, and he got such a reputation

(01:33:08):
that he was always gonna get hit with it. Well,
Zion's the opposite. He probably doesn't do it enough because
he's not wired to go after the officials. Probably needs
to do it a little more. Yeah, to your point
about free throw attempts, Williamson second to Janice entering Friday
in total free throw attempts, behind only Onto Tacumbo, Joelan Bid,

(01:33:29):
and Trey Young per ESPN Stats and Info, and free
throw attempts per game this season, and Stan van Gundhi
is still saying, hey, he's still not shooting enough. He's
on the officials every game. He says that that's what
Van Gundi says about his his staff and everybody on
the sideline. He says, the guy gets hit all the time.
In my opinion, he should easily lead the league and
free throw attempts to swipe down to the guy on
both hands is just getting killed every night. The referees

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let it go to off and this is what you're
going to have so yes, David Griffin setting the stage.
I don't know that I buy that. Players are like,
I'm gonna keep doing this to you because they're not
calling it. That seems like, I mean, you can't ever
prove that that wasn't said, so why not say it?
Because it's kind of provocative to put it out there.
But I think that to your point, Zion needs a

(01:34:14):
little bit of soccer player in him. He needs a little,
not a lot. He needs a little bit of Marcus
Smart in him. I don't want to see Zion Williamson flopping,
but he needs to demonstrate that he's been fouled, especially
on things that are harder to see with his body. Somehow,
we have to be able to visualize the level of

(01:34:36):
physicality that's going on there. And with the physicality that
he plays with, it's going to encourage more swipe downs,
it's gonna encourage more strikes at the ball where his
hand gets hit like in this case that led to
the ring finger injury and all that. He has to
be more demonstrative. And I hate to and just like you, Matt,
I hate to. I hate to throw that out there

(01:34:57):
because I love that Zion is not that guy, because
the NBA is full of floppers and has been for
a long long time, and and a lot of guys
that argue every foul that gets called against them, Tim
Duncan being one of the guys that, as much as
I liked watching Tim Duncan blay, I don't think he
ever believed he committed a foul in his entire NBA career.
That's just always gonna be there. But Zion's got to
show us he was fouled. He's got to show the

(01:35:18):
officials that he was fouled because Cam Newton was right.
Because of Cam's size and because of his propensity to run,
he was not treated the way other quarterbacks were and
it wasn't for any characteristic other than his body makeup
and the fact that I still believe a lot of
NFL referees looked at him as running back slash quarterback

(01:35:42):
slash fullback hybrid as opposed to a Tom Brady style
or someone like that that was gonna get every call
because he was every bit the superstar that Tom Brady was,
but his body makeup changed it. And I think Zion
has that unique concern that Blake Griffin ad that Lebron
has had that Shakiel has had where they do get

(01:36:03):
destroyed and no one seems to ever see it well,
but they see it enough to get to the you
just part up the stats. They see it enough to
get him to the line. What do we want to do?
Double that? You gotta see him shoot twenty free throws
a night? Is that the next thing? I mean, I
I don't. I don't really know where the Maybe there's
a middle ground there. I like what they're doing, but

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I mean I I think some of this is gonna
be they're helping him, some of it's up to him.
I would hate for that to be the answer that
he has to kind of become more harden Esque and
and react to everything. And yeah, and Hardens, Hardens unbelievable
at it. I mean, he's just he's He's constantly reacting

(01:36:49):
to things. You nobly was great at it or horrible
at it, however you want to see it. But I
think Zion's gotta experience. You know who I think Zion
it's point needs to look at you know who evolved
with his game was Randall. I mean, look at Randall's
game right now. Now, He's not as big as I,
and he's not as athletic as I, and okay, but

(01:37:12):
he you know, it's not that far off from a
body type, from a height, weight standpoint, and that dude
just sort of remade himself into a basically like a
point forward. I mean, everything's gonna go through me. I'm
gonna hit the three, I'm gonna pass the ball, I'm
gonna rebound. I mean, that guy but suddenly is now

(01:37:33):
like a cornerstone for the New York Knicks. It's crazy
what he's going. So I love Zion as a player.
I'm not saying just completely go away, but he's gonna
have to change his game a little bit. And for
him to maximize who he is, he's gonna have to
make people respect his outside shot at some point, because

(01:37:54):
you're right, the game has changed enough where he can't
just bull over people like Blake did. Even Blake started
shooting threes at some point and expanded his game, and
only only it became not as much of a player
because of injuries and because of the knee and things
like that. And I hope that doesn't happen to Zion. Yeah,

(01:38:15):
I mean, if Zion's not taking threes at least he needs.
He needs a more consistent mid range game, and that
needs to be the next phase of development for him.
But I think the overall important point to mention about
the league and and Adam Silver knows this, and everybody
in the league knows this. They need their superstars playing,
they don't need them out of the line up. And
Zion is if there's gonna be a guy to take
the crown away from Lebron. I don't know if he

(01:38:37):
can do it in New Orleans, but it's Zion in
terms of star power, in terms of endorsement power, in
terms of those kinds of things. And I mean, you've
got the Steps, and you've got a lot of guys
in the league, but Zion has something different about him.
And you're he's so young that you have a lot
of time to be able to build the league potentially
around him, so you need him out there. So maybe

(01:38:58):
that's it's just maybe that's a situation that works if
you're David Griffin to say this, because Adam Silver has
a vested interest in Zion Williamson being out there as well,
So maybe it does pay dividends. Maybe the officials pay
more attention, and maybe the league's like, yeah, we need
to make sure that we're not getting this guy hurt.
And now you don't want somebody to be treated differently
in that way. But look, that's the way it is.

(01:39:20):
There are superstar calls. There are people that get into
the restaurant, are recognized and get put by the window.
And then there's some people that are put in the
booth in the center of the place, and there's guys
that are put next to the bathroom. Like there are
people that are more important than others. And Zion for
the future of the league, for the health of the league,
he's definitely one of them. What happens to you in Nashville,

(01:39:40):
like when you go out for hot chicken or by
the way, thanks for that. We've got like seventy hot
chicken restaurants in Dallas. Now the whole world woke up
one day and it's like, oh my gosh, we've got
to have what Nashville has. I mean, I I mean,
it seems like a weird thing to be known for.
But whatever we now have, we doubt have it dozen
hot chicken restaurants. But do you do you get pretty

(01:40:03):
good service? They know your face around town or maybe
maybe the radio they hurt that maybe someday I definitely
have a face for radio at least, and that's the
way I feel about it. But I'm working around athletes,
so if I'm with them sometimes that helps and maybe
maybe we'll grow into that role. I'm not a Nashville lifer,
so we'll we'll get there. I mean, I can wear

(01:40:24):
a Hattiebe's shirt from time to time and get decent service.
There's there's moments. There's moments, there's pockets of time where
where maybe you're getting a little bit better treatment. I guess.
But my wife's the star in my family, and I'm
praying that she's listening so that she heard that so
she can put that in the check column. We'll be
right back. We'll continue along these lines. I do want

(01:40:45):
to jump in and talk about the drafted quarterbacks. Indeed,
Mother's Day being tomorrow again, guys, we want to throw
that out to you. If you have not gotten it done, Uh,
Today's of the day to go ahead and get that
done because you don't want to be empty handed tomorrow
night dealing with that at nine pm, where it's like,
you know, I've been waiting all day and nothing happened.
So just remember tomorrow. His Mother's Day is a pretty

(01:41:07):
important day. Uh, and they deserve it, no question about that.
Will be right back here on the Fellaws on Fox
Sports Radio. It's a Fellows on this sports Saturday, Fox
Sports Radio. Wherever you happen to be, hope you're well
on this Mother's Day weekend. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee. My
partner in crime is down in Dallas, Texas. His name
is Matt Mosley. I'm Jason Martin hosted Jason Martin Show.

(01:41:29):
Here that on Sunday Mornings radio on Fox Sports Radio
three to six am Eastern Time. On Twitter at j
mar Radio. Crazy story. I saw our colleague Chris Plank
kind of put this out there, and I had missed this.
Last night the Mets Diamondbacks Game five four. The Mets
win the game. Francisco Lindoor hadn't been having a great
season so far, but he hits a two run homer

(01:41:50):
in the seventh and bottom of the seventh to tie
the game. Then apparently there's some kind of confrontation or
there's something that goes on in the tunnel. Uh. In
the Mets dugout, you see players rushed down to see
what's going on, and it turns out it looks like
Linda or and Jeff McNeil had some kind of an

(01:42:11):
issue in the tunnel for the Mets. And what has
come through this after the fact They say they were fighting,
but they say that they were fighting because they were trying.
They were in the midst of a debate Matt as
to whether or not there was a rat or a
raccoon in the tunnel, and that led them to come

(01:42:32):
to blows, to get into a fracas, and I was
just kind of like, wait what and then you even
then Marcus Stroman another picture with the Met says he
tweets this out last night. He said, still not sure
if that was a rat a raccoon. However, great great
win for the squad. So apparently two grown men making

(01:42:53):
a lot of money went at it because they couldn't
determine whether or not it was a rat or a
tray ash panda that was hanging out in the Mets dugout,
do we do we ever get to the bottom of
what did it actually? I mean, did anybody else take
a peek at it? Now? I don't know why that
would lead to a a fight. That seems very odd.

(01:43:15):
That just the you know, um, that's a that is
a strange story. In fact, I saw that headline, any
animal headline involved the sports, you know, if I see
it on Fox sports dot com, I am intrigued. If
you read about a lion or something in the in
the news. Every once in a while, a lion will

(01:43:36):
get loose somewhere and get after somebody. I mean, those
are very those are a great interest to me. But
I I'm just, uh, that's it. And by the way,
I don't think a raccoon. I've seen both, and I
think those are very easy to tell apart so that
this is a strange This is a very strange thing.

(01:43:57):
And I don't know if Nashville, uh you occasionally there
are parts of Nashville I would think, um, like East
Nashville where we're you know, when it rains a lot
and you get some flooding in some of those old
houses that I would think have some rat issues. Rats

(01:44:17):
rats do not have any Like they don't care what
part of town they end up in, Like we're gonna
avoid the wealthy area of Nashville. They don't. But I
just don't understand it all about why you would have
trouble telling the difference for those that's a strange, strange thing.
It depends on the shadowing in the dugout, Like maybe

(01:44:39):
it's dark. I mean, it's a it's a night game.
You're in the dugout. If you see it in the
and you're in the tunnel, maybe you just can't really tell.
What don't say they were Were they at City Field?
I think so? I think so. Okay, Now I'm just
kind of wondering, like I would expect those sorts of things. Rats,
I mean, r's are definitely things you will find in

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New York, no question about it. I'm talking about the
ones that tell you where Haffa is buried and the
other ones, the different ones. And raccoons. I don't know
how many raccoons you're finding in New York, but I
will say that two days ago, uh, my mother in
law apparently spotted a trash panda on our back on
our back deck, which led my wife to say, be
careful when you take the cover off the grill because

(01:45:23):
she thinks a raccoon might be living in the space
around our grill, even though we've got to cover on it.
I was just like well, I don't know if we
even have an empty deal back there. But now I'm
terrified to take the cover off the grill because I
don't want to run into a raccoon. Because even though
I like them as a child, as I've grown older,
I realized, uh, not particularly hygienic, also not particularly nice. Yeah,

(01:45:50):
it's a foul it's a foul animal. It's not something
you want as a pet. And um, it leads me
back to a time when I was a camp counselor
and uh, one of my fellow of attorney brothers played
a horrible joke on me in one evening. One evening,
I I was we were camping out out by the lake,

(01:46:12):
and I felt out there with the kids, we're all
under the stars at Campo's Arc, Mount Eyed, Arkansas, and
felt a nibbling on the ear, a nibbling on the year.
And I and I looked over, you know, and I
came and and I was eye to eye with a raccoon. Now, sadly, sadly,

(01:46:36):
it was not Yeah, it was a dead raccoon. And
so a buddy was was basically using the raccoon as
a puppet. Don't know this, animal rights people will not
like this story. Bo Benson right now is questioning my judgment,
my news judgment on telling that story. But now that's
a scary. That's a scary way to wake up when
you're camping out and you're staring face to face with

(01:46:59):
a raccoon. It's also scary that someone would turn a
raccoon into a puppet. But yes, that did happen many years. Wow. Yeah,
I just I was just like, are they trying to
mask what they were actually upset about or did Sometimes
things escalate like okay, it starts with raccoon versus rat,
but then maybe somebody's girlfriend got mixed into it, or

(01:47:22):
somebody's wife. It's like a raccoon or rat. Well, I
know what a raccoon looks like because I saw Bertha.
And then all of a sudden, Okay, now now we've
got to throw mitts because you just called out my wife.
My my wife's name is not Bertha, by the way.
But just like things escalate, Matt, that's the problem. Like
it can be the dumbest argument ever. And I see
Chris Blank, our friend here in Fox Sports Radio saying,

(01:47:43):
what's the most ridiculous argument you had or witness someone
have that nearly led to a fight. And I think
that's the overarching point here is any argument can become
way more than it has any right to be because
we do live in the dumbest timeline like our are.
The world in which we live is just stupid. There's

(01:48:04):
so many people that care about things that are totally meaningless,
which is why I've decided to now basically use social
media as nothing but a joke, just to have fun
with it and not treat it seriously. But people get
their feelings hurt over nothing. So Rat versus Raccoon in
I don't think Babe Ruth's throwing bows, you know, back

(01:48:24):
into twenties over that, but in yeah, rat versus Raccoon,
because I feel like people probably could come to blows
over Do you want to go to Wendy's or McDonald's tonight? Well,
I mean that's a pretty easy choice for me, but
I'm not gonna make it known because I don't know
what the sponsor lineup is on that front. But I
I would I wish in this, in this era, when

(01:48:47):
everybody has a phone with them, that we at least
had a picture, and I think we would quickly know
and if I had to guess in New York between
rat and raccoon, it was a rat. Yeah, I mean
it was all your rat. I don't I mean, I
don't know. I don't think a raccoon was down there
in the dugout or wherever wherever they found that. So anyway,
I I'm that's a that's a bizarre story. I'm on

(01:49:09):
team Rat. I'm I'm with you. I'm on team Rat.
Tui there, I'm full Pixar on this one. I don't know.
Maybe that maybe there was a trash panda there, but
Rat would be my first guests in New York City.
And that's not me slamming you if you're listening out there,
it's simply stating a fact we've grown up knowing about
sewer rats. I mean, teenage mutant ninja turtles took place

(01:49:33):
in New York City and their mentor was a rat
named Splinter. I just wanted to throw that out as
a pro tip to let's go to Kevin Figures out
in Los Angeles catch a look at the latest in
the world of sports. Kevin, I know that Swiss guys.
Jeffrey Neil also said it could have been a Possum
as well, so that we've got three Hannimals. And by
the way, Matt, thank you for confirming my belief. I

(01:49:56):
would never actually go camping based on your story, and
I wasn't gonna be there. I'm done. I wasn't gonna
go anyway. I'm definitely not going Nation moved on from
that quickly. Camping camping, I I don't understand why you camp.
I don't mind hiking, but I don't need to be
there overnight. Put me back in the hotel. After we
go to the mountains. I'm right there with you. I

(01:50:16):
go hiking, and once the substyles going down, I'm heading
back home. That's how it works for me. We had
no hitter on Friday night. Way Miley of the Reds
the latest pitcher tossing one at Cincinnati be Cleveland three nothing,
the fourth no hitter of the season. He struck out
eight in the victory. You have the Giants tour in
first place in the National League West. They increased their
lead in the division to two and a half games

(01:50:37):
after a five to four League or five to four
victory over San Diego. Boston has the best record in
all of baseball at twenty and thirteen, they beat Baltimore
six to two, Nationals all over the Yankees, Phillies over
the Brakes twelve to two. Angels got two RBI doubles
from Shoo Tani as they defeated the Dodgers and Basketball
the Blazers beating the Lakers one oh six to one
on one. They take over a sole possession of the

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sixth seed in the Western Ofference. As for the defending champs,
they have lost eight of the last ten and they
now find themselves in the seventh seed, which would be
in the play in Tournament seventies sixers, the top seed
in the Eastern Conference. Joel and Bead with the m
v P like a performance thirty seven points, leading them
over the shorthanded Pelicans, who were without Brandon Ingram was
an ankle injuries. Ian Williamson out indefinitely after suffering a

(01:51:21):
fractured left finger. Excuse me, boy by donatch with a
career high forty eight points, leading Utah over Denver, went
over Phoenix, Dallas and Milwaukee. Left index finger was what
I was trying to say about Zaiyah Williamson back to
you guys, think I was Yeah, I felt a nibble
on my ear for a second. Jump for a little
bit that story. Yeah, yeah, the camping story, just for

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I started thinking about camping, and I tune out immediately
because I'm like, gosh, I gotta make a tent. I've
got to make a fire. As soon as we had
to start camping. That's when I was out of the
Boy Scouts. I was rolling just finding Cub Scouts and
Tiger Cubs. I was good with the wee blows. We
get the Boy Scouts and there's merit badges. It's like, hey,
why don't you start a fire? Why don't you fish?
I'm like, why don't you? I'm going to the house.

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I'm done with I'm done with this. There's no no
point in me being outdoors at that point in time.
Now I love the outdoors, but overnight, I just feel
that's unnecessary as an adult to subject myself to whatever
is out there in nature that is ultimately at all
times Matt trying to kill me. Yeah. Yeah. And then

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add to it what's happening in out in l A
where the guys are out Malibu, where there were people
being shot out there. In addition to whatever animals and
what creatures might come up there in a mountain line
which has been making its way up and down the freeway. Uh,
you've got a lot to worry about. You got a
lot to worry about. But uh, I wonder if animal
rights people, like do they draw a line they don't

(01:52:52):
care about like rats and raccoons, like, think about it,
Like nobody defends the raccoon hat, the you know the
coon skin. Yeah, yeah, the classic Davy crocodat. That's an
old Dennis Leary bit. Actually, that's one of his old
stand up bits. Like when he first started in comedy.
One of the things he said his mostly original thing. Well,
and nothing's original anymore, Matt. You didn't hijack Dennis Leary.

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But his point was, you notice that we always save
the cute animals, and the idea being he's like, oh,
an otter, look at what he can do. He swims
on his back and and does cute things with his hands,
and you let him go. And then it's like, yeah,
I'm a cow, and it's like get on the truck.
We've got to cut you up and eat you. And
then he talks about a sea cow and a manatee
in the same way, and it's just like, well, I'm

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a manateee. I'm also in the sea like an otter.
It's like, no, you're a sea cow. Get out of here.
Like the whole bit is built around the fact that
we eat the ugly animals. We eat all the animals
that they're not esthetically pleasing just to have around. Nobody's
out here eating otter, And I think there's a point
to that. Possums all are repugnant. Like I rolled into

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a giant possum when I was walking my dog a
few months ago, and it's just kind of like, no, bro,
you're good, Like you're cool. That's your space over there.
I'm gonna stay over here. Please don't advance on us.
And we're gonna go to the house because the face
it's just terrifying. So possum is not a protected class.
Did your protecting classes of animals? Do you put the

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coyote in the same group as the possum, or does
the coyote dog enough, is it wolf related enough to
be in its own in its own group, or do
you put that with the with the pest which are rats, raccoons,
and and possums, which is spelling with a yeah weird, yeah, possum. Yeah,

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the coyote and the coyote, the wolf and all that
kind of stuff's kind of interesting. We have coyotes, uh
sometimes in the neighborhood and you can hear them, and
they're impacts and so they love dogs. So we have
to be careful when we're walking margot or whatever like
that and be sort of aware of it from time
to time. I don't think I've ever encountered a coyote,
so I don't really know how I would feel about

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it until I rolled up on one. Wolves are just gigantic,
and so that's a little bit different. I don't think
I don't think of coyotes the way I think of possums.
I think of possums as roadkill. I think of coyotes
as threats, and just in terms of the aggressive nature
that they take with domesticated animals. Yeah, I think I

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think they're scared of you for the most part. Conteresting
there's not a pack of coyotes. You might may encounter
two that's the most you'll ever see together, and unless
you just let your dog roam around the neighborhood, you're
gonna be okay there. Interesting. That is a very pliable animal.
Those animals do really well. They can they can come
into the city and then they kind of sneak back out.

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So the coyote is a is a scavenger that probably
should be treated as a rat or a raccoon. But
only the Mets could have two of their stars engage
in a fight over rat versus raccoon in the middle
of a game in the tunnel and their dugout. That's
so Mets. It hurts, and as a Braves fan, I

(01:56:10):
really want to laugh out loud about it. It is
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(01:56:31):
needs to be accomplished today accomplished to make sure tomorrow
is what it needs to be. I'm just letting the
vibe hit right now. I'm letting the Fellows vibe hit.
It's good stuff. Christoph Fetta in l A was like, Hey,

(01:56:51):
do you want to use the stuff with using on
your show? Do you want to use the Funk playlist?
And I'm like, hey, I'm not. I'm not opposed to
the Fellows playlist at all. Every time I I'm on
the show, I always enjoy listening to it. Maybe we
need to mix it more up into what I'm actually
doing there as well. Matt Mosley along with me Jason Martin,
we're in for Anthony Gargano, who, of course is all

(01:57:12):
about the Funk Playlist. We're gonna talk a good bit
about the NFL Draft to quarterbacks in the fourth hour.
We're gonna talk some some some Cowboys as well. But Matt,
what's the state of the Dallas fan base right now?
I mean, the Cowboys are America's team quote unquote, whether
some people would agree with that or not, But what
is the fan base feel like now with Dak back

(01:57:35):
in the fold and paid with what they just accomplished
in the draft. Just just curious what the sense of
the Cowboys is as we're, you know, still several months
away from the start of the season. Well, obviously this
will become as it is every year, this will become
like some sort of sexy pick to uh to have
a big playoff run and somebody will go as far

(01:57:59):
to pick them going to the Super Bowl. I would
say there's some uh there, the fact that this finally
got done. You know, this this hungover the Cowboys organization
for so long with Dak, and and the fact that
it finally got done, it's like wow, I I you know,
and you know how these things go. I mean, Russell Wilson,

(01:58:19):
it feels like it got done yesterday, and yet then
there were issues what a year or two later, so
and and he's unhappy and all that. Dak seems to
be wired differently in that he he is just not
someone whoever lets it known. He has one family member.
He has a brother that sometimes we'll get on uh

(01:58:41):
social media and make some statements, but by Dac is
really buttoned up. So I would say the fan base
is cautiously optimistic, and by the time it gets close
to training camp, the cautious part will will all fall
off and and it'll be just roll on super Bowl talk.
And one of the things that sort of enables this

(01:59:04):
fan base is the fact that they play in such
a horrible division and there's really no great quarterback other
than I mean, if you want to call Dak the
top five or six quarterback. I think you can make
that argument that he is, and then you have a
division where there's really nobody else to challenge. I mean,

(01:59:25):
you know who you who are you gonna say? I mean,
who's even close? Uh? You know, Danny Dimes, Fitzpatrick. I mean,
you look at Jalen Hurts. There's just there's really nobody
in his league. So I think, um, I think the
fan base is somewhat pleased right now. And I can

(01:59:46):
tell you more in the next hour if you like,
about like this draft class and about some of the
disagreement over where that is. But what they did is
they went out and tried to draft a defense. Can
you you actually in one draft fine four starters? And
that is what they attempted to do. And I think

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that's gonna be fascinating to see how it unfolds. Yeah,
we can talk a little bit about that draft class.
We can talk about the quarterbacks that were selected in
the next hour as well. But and also I wanna
just kind of pick your brain a bit about how
it's different to be the Dallas Cowboys quarterback in the
National Football League and how how unique that job is

(02:00:30):
even amongst the thirty two jobs to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL. Dallas hits different. There's something, there's
something larger about it that Doc is certainly looks like
he's proven. Certainly it's worth to the organization there. So
there's certainly a lot to a lot to dive into
when it comes to that. And if we need to
talk about the NFC East, we can. But I don't

(02:00:51):
want everyone throwing up their breakfast. I want them to
be able to enjoy things. In the NFC East. You
get into ugly territory. They're real fast. But we will
talk plenty of cowboys and plenty of NFL Draft. Fourth
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(02:01:55):
spend in the Dallas radio style for us as we
roll right along, and since are in Dallas, Matt, I
did want to spend some time talking about the Cowboys,
because a lot of people care about the Cowboys, whether
they're Cowboys fans or not. Some people over talk them,
I think, but I do think it's appropriate coming off
the season and the division that we just saw out there,

(02:02:17):
looks like Washington found the right coach and has a
lot of things that you like there. But but they
didn't have a quarterback, and it looks like they're they're
still kind of it's sort of holding pattern. Ryan Fitzpatrick's
a good holding pattern to have. He's even holding pattern.
They can maybe win a division. But the Giants went
out and had a pretty good draft. The Eagles are.

(02:02:37):
I don't know what Jalen Hurts is other than I
like to root for him because I think he's a
heck of a human being and somebody that's very easy
to be a fan of. Whether or not that translate
to winning football games, not as sure about. But Dallas
certainly needed to improve on the defensive side of the ball,
and Matt seems like that's where they spent almost all

(02:02:59):
of their equity in this draft. Yeah, And I don't
know if I would like want to rank best human
beings in this draft or the division. I uh, but
I like, I would like you sometime to give me
your best human beings top ten of the NFC East. Jason,
so be tabulating that, uh here here pretty quickly. Cowboys draft,

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You're right, I mean, first time since that they went
the first six picks on defense, and uh, I had
a chance the other day. Why don't you love it
when I do this. I had a chance to speak
with Daniel Jeremiah oh Man, but no great guy. And
and you know, it was interesting to be he seemed

(02:03:43):
to think that the Cowboys may have landed four starters
in this draft. That seems a little much to me.
I mean that that's uh if they did good for them. Uh,
you know, from a salary cap standpoint, they need they
would like all eleven to make the team. Now that
seems crazy. There's not eleven draft picks aren't gonna make
the team, But if seven or eight of them did,

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that would be pretty good. Now, this Micah Parsons I
maybe the best like pure defensive player in the whole draft.
So moving down and getting him and getting an extra
third round pick, it's it's it's kind of hard to argue.
I do think they threw it out the window as
far as like, oh, the right kind of guy. They

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had just said that they thought he was gonna be
Anybody that opted out of two thousand and twenty was
gonna be a compromise pick in their mind. And the
first guy they take is a guy who opted out
of two thousand and twenty, so Micah Parsons. But as
a prospect. Now, there's some other stuff involved that that
would be worrisome to me, but I'm not We don't

(02:04:47):
have to get into it deeply. But yeah, it's uh,
it's it's not it's not good, not good at all.
Some issues there, and and so I I you know
that would worry. I think this guy is extremely immature,
and so staying with the mature uh you know that storyline.
Second round Kelvin Joseph. Now, what the Cowboys love doing
more than any other franchise is getting first round talent.

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Everybody says, whole value, great value. Listen. L s U
is not in the business of losing great defensive backs,
like like just having them kicking them out of the program.
It rarely happens. Now, the Honey Badger years ago did
get booted out, and and years later, or a couple
of years later, he lands on his feet and he's

(02:05:32):
had a really nice NFL career. But generally, if you're
at L s U and you're a great defensive back,
they're gonna find a way to keep you in school
and keep you focused. This kid could not, and so
he plays, he sits out of here at Kentucky. He
plays one year at Kentucky. They couldn't get him on
the field for the last two games. He opted out,
which is fine. I mean, I know everybody's doing it now,

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so whatever. He put up great numbers in that time.
But I again, I don't know. I other people think
they had some kind of great draft. I I not
so much. In fact, I would give this if we're
doing the grades thing, I would say like a C
plus draft. They didn't get what they wanted, which was
a cornerback, and then they got this Michael Parsons, and

(02:06:16):
they get Kelvin Joseph, who they need to start day
one in a sense, Jason. They ended up having to
go try to replace another position where they had already
spent a first round draft pick, and I'm talking about
Laton Vanderish Vanderish and then j Jalen Smith, a linebacker.
This draft was sort of about replacing those guys. Well,

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in a perfect world, they would have left those positions
alone and gone out and made other positions really good,
like quarterback. So in the third round they did take
a cornerback and he's six four, and I I don't know, Jason, mean,
do you may know of this? I I get that
every year around doubt and now they have Dan Quinn
as the deepest coordinator. They're trying to turn it into

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a legion to boom. But are there a lot of
great six four cornerbacks walking this earth? Like It's not
like there's a lot of great x NFL. Like, Oh
my gosh, that guy was six four. He was incredible
there there they starting out there. Yeah, yeah, that that
that's a that's a size that you don't usually see

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with a corner Um I I would you tell me?
Because they took Michael Parsons, were they gonna take Michael
Parsons if the cornerbacks hadn't gone and they ended up
trading down? I mean, I feel like they would have
taken certain had he been there. And I was at
surprised that J. C. Horne went as fast as he did.
But I think once you got out of that, if
you look at the rest of the cornerbacks, they just

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didn't have them high on their boy. Caleb Farley is
who the Titans took at twenty two and he has
multiple back surgeries. And Mike Sander put a piece in
The Athletic yesterday, suggesting when GM said his medicals were terrible.
Greg Newsom at Northwestern, who I really liked. Uh, he
also had injury concerns, so there were things that you
could knock those guys is on. So I think that
the Cowboys traded down, didn't have the other corners nearly

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as high on their lists, and just went best available
defensive player, regardless of character concerns and all that. They
were like, who can play on our defense because we
were so bad and we have so many holes there,
and then the corners just didn't measure up when the
first two went off the board. Well, the good thing
is the Titans have never busted out in her first
round pick, right, Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, maybe the

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worst first round pick of all time last year? Yeah,
and is he even involved in the league? Where is he?
He went to Miami? Uh, traded in to Miami, and
three days after he went to Miami they released him
as a one year player. That literally, I've talked to
personnel people in the NFL and Uh, I've talked to
a lot of people and basically they said Isaiah Wilson's

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talent would have had him in the Pro Bowl as
a right tackle, like an All Pro right tackle, which
is not something you see very often. Most of that
flash goes to the left tackles. But he had that
level of talent to potentially be a game changing right tackle.
That dude had all world skill, but he was such

(02:09:10):
a bone head that he can't stay in the league
for a full season. He played four snaps with the
Tennessee Titans, and they could be the only four snaps
he plays in his entire NFL career, and it's incredibly sad. Yeah,
and and then there was another player in this draft who,
as you well know, Uh, it's almost kind of like
they got caught flat footed. Either they didn't know he'd

(02:09:31):
been arrested, or they knew and didn't think or something,
and and they didn't react well to that, and so
they looked bad. And and uh, I've I've followed some
of that, but uh, you know, in keeping it with
the Cowboys to your point on Michael Parsons, he's this guy.
He's like a one of those classic pin State long

(02:09:54):
fast can play the SAM linebacker boys fell like keeper
there can play the Sam. But but also, um, I
think he could line up on some downs, and and
it may be outside linebacker and and this this team
will be some four three some three four. Obviously with
the nickel, things changed constantly, so you don't stay in
the base that much. But Parsons seems like a guy

(02:10:17):
that you can line up wherever and he's gonna get
after the quarterback. And he also has the potential will
be pretty good in coverage. I mean, the problem is
at the point I was trying to make is that's
what they hoped Layton vander esh was. They thought they had.
You know, they took him in the twenties of one
of these recent drafts, and he didn't pan out. And

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then they got a guy in Jalen Smith, who is
an interesting story because he had the horrible injury at
Notre Dame and and he's come back from it and
so in some ways what he's done is remarkable, but
he's not that great like he's he's the guy. And
I'm sure you've had teams that you follow, you follow
the Broncos, I'm sure you've seen players like this, So

(02:10:59):
who is constantly celebrating tackles after giving up eight to
ten yard carries and he's out doing some kind of
bowling type celebration, the Bowl whatever you can they call that.
Uh So, in a sense, in this draft, the Cowboys
had to try to draft for the replacements, and they
brought in another guy, uh kian O'Neil dan Quinn basically

(02:11:21):
brings him with him from Atlanta. So in this draft
they got Jabril Cox from l s U. He had
transferred from North Dakota State, and and they drafted a
whole new and then through free agency they have a
whole new linebacking corps. Well that's okay, It's just it's
just kind of it's kind of seems ridiculous that you
you take all your premium picks from a couple of

(02:11:43):
years before, and you're having to use premium picks again
to try to replace those guys. So maybe I'll change
my tune if they in fact got four starters in
this draft. What happened with vander What happened with vander Esh?
Because it seems like a lot of people really liked
vander Esh. And I don't mean just like as he
came out of college and where he was selected, but

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people were singing his praises for a little while there,
and and it seems like the bloom fell off that
rose awfully quick. Yeah, and it happened because of injury.
And and but the problem with the Cowboys and they're
scouting and everything, they always think the best. Okay, we
think it's gonna be okay. Okay, our medical folks think
everything's gonna be okay here, So it's worth taking a

(02:12:25):
chance on him in the first round. He had spinal stenosis.
It was known about him coming into the league. So
when he starts having all sorts of neck issues and
misses games, none of this should have been a surprise.
And so the Cowboys always want to think that and
in sort of do business like like all the best

(02:12:46):
case scenarios. And Jerry only thinks of the old oils
he hit on. You know, he's an old oil wildcatter.
He has the oil and gas in his background. He
seems to only remember the ones that we're gushing, and
so he loves taking shots on people. Oh, we're getting
this guy at twenty or twenty seven in the draft

(02:13:08):
because he has final stenosis. Well, you may end up
not getting much out of this player because he has
final stenosis. And uh, and that has been the case.
And they did not do his fifth year deal. Uh,
they did not exercise this, so he is now playing
for a contract late. Vandersh. Yeah, well, I think that's
an interesting point. I also think there's something to the

(02:13:29):
idea that the draft is such a crap shoot that
it can be easier to take to look at it
and say, hey, man, best case scenario, this happens because
so many can't miss picks don't end up panning out.
So you go grab somebody in that situation. Or for example,
the Titans grab Caleb Farley. Well, two years ago, they
took Jeffrey Simmons and that worked out, and he was

(02:13:52):
coming off a torn a c L and problems off
the field that he had, you know, repenting for him,
was trying to overcome in his life and that has
paid big time dividends. And I mean, Isaiah didn't have
any kind of injury concerns at all. They looked past
the red flags, and the red flags bit them. Well,
Farley bite them. I don't know, when you take an
injured player, you're certainly taking a larger risk, but it

(02:14:15):
seems to me, especially in certain positions or at certain
positions on the field, the risk might not be that great.
Simply because the hit rate on a lot of draft
picks sticks. Matt, like, there's there's a lot of dudes
that are supposedly can't miss that miss badly. Yeah, but
look at some of these look at like the Saints

(02:14:36):
in two thousand and look at some of those classes recently.
They it doesn't feel like it's such a crapshoot for
some teams. I mean, some teams get it right. I mean,
look at the Ravens the last few years. I mean
you you see guys like through three, four or five
rounds where you get like big time starters. I mean,
if you start looking at the core of the Saints

(02:14:58):
roster right now, they were hitting on all these guys. So,
I mean, I I agree with you. I'm not saying
picks don't bust out, but man, some of these teams
are better than others at That's true. No that you
you're right about that. I just I guess I'm just
saying it. It's hard to be good at it now.
You're being paid millions of dollars if you're a general
manager in the NFL, You're getting paid a ton of

(02:15:20):
money to be good at it. There's not a whole
lot of those jobs and you hold one of them,
so you hold a large responsibility, and then then you're
held accountable for it publicly by everybody with a pencil,
everybody with a with a keyboard, everybody with a microphone.
You can't get fired in Dallas. I mean that's the thing.
All these other gms you're talking about, for the most part,

(02:15:42):
they can all be fired at some point. And at
some point if you have enough red flags, if you
have enough backfires. In Tennessee, uh you say Okay, you're out.
You'd say the GM's out. And in the one in
Dallas is always safe. Well, you'll always be safe. Well,
I mean you know, you know, and honestly, at some
point the slings and arrows that come from our keyboards

(02:16:04):
don't bother him. Yeah, he's definitely above it. I just
kinda so so you're that close to it, maybe the
question and we can kind of jump into in the
next segment. I do want to talk about Doc and
what the experience is like of being the Cowboys quarterback.
And this this plays into Aaron Rodgers and being a
quarterback on a very vaunted uh A team with so

(02:16:25):
much pageantry and so much history surrounding it, But the
question might be how you win a Super Bowl when
the structure in the front office is the way the
Cowboys structure is and maybe the way the Packer structure
is as well. So we'll jump into that when we
come back. It is Matt Mosley and Jason Martin. We're
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(02:17:09):
down in Dallas, at Matt Mosley, I'm at j MAR Radio.
I'm here in Nashville, Tennessee. Matt, what did you send
me during the break? You sent me Rudy Gobert versus
UH nicolea Yokich and my UH Saturday is better because
of having watched that video. Well, you know, I love
the jazz and I actually love Denver, especially Yokich in

(02:17:29):
in you know, there's been a lot of m v
P talk, and I just think that's so extremely rare.
You get, like the defensive player of the year over
the last few years, maybe the best defensive player against
the possible or probably the probable m v P this year,
and one of the greatest big men of our time,
probably the greatest passing big man of all time. And

(02:17:50):
I don't think there's a great argument against that. And
I just thought that was a really cool mono I
mono game on the line three point game last night,
and and Yokich goes with the the hook. I mean,
you know, you think that's for a seven ft one guy,
that's an unblockable shot. And Gobert challenges now, and I

(02:18:12):
think over a series, Yokich would just bully him to
death down there. He's he's he's almost he's virtually impossible
to stop, and he's great late in games. But I
thought that was just such a cool uh. Two of
the great players at their respective ends of the of
the of the court going at it at the end

(02:18:35):
of a game, and Gobert comes up the stifle tower
turns Yokich away. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool,
so I just definitely was I wanted to share that
with you. It was it was definitely worth the time.
I need to I actually need to uh retweet it myself.
So the most popular play on any NFL team a

(02:18:57):
lot of the time is the backup quarterback because he's
the unknown quantity that might be better than what you have. Now.
If you've got Patrick Mahomes, he's not as popular, but
there's a lot of quarterbacks that are on thinner ice
than that. You always kind of want to know what's
out there. The unknown quantity is always a little bit
more fun, especially if you're sitting at eight and eight.
If you've got like Tyrod Taylor as your quarterback or uh,

(02:19:19):
you know, they had Ryan Tannehill in Miami or something
like that, you always want to know what else is
out there. Playing quarterback can be a it can be
a It's a spot where much is given but much
as also required. It's the star players. The stars in
sports in America, our NFL quarterbacks, NBA superstars, and college

(02:19:40):
football coaches. Those are three most recognizable I think classifications
that you can find. I think you know more college
football coaches that have more power than NFL coaches. Even
if you know the Belichicks, I think there are less
of them, And I think the big time college football
named Matt are dudes that have power in the states
in which they reside, like Dabo in South Carolina, or

(02:20:03):
Nick Saban in the state of Alabama, or whether it's
Urban Meyer now increasingly Ryan Day in Ohio and or
when he was in Florida as well. You have a
lot of that kind of thing going. But there is
no more glitzy franchise in all of pro sports than
the Dallas Cowboys. It is a walking tabloid and led
by Jerry Jones and that situation. As somebody that's been

(02:20:26):
around that scenario as long as you have, I feel
like we have a chance to have a unique perspective
on why, how hard is it? How much is on
your shoulders, how much is on Dak shoulders, how much
was on Tony romo shoulders, all the guys through the years,
How difficult is it to be in that position for

(02:20:47):
that team in America? Considering everything that goes along with it,
well what goes along with it, I mean, it's pretty great.
It may have been awful for Romo at times. But
there is only one former quarterback making you know, seventeen
million dollars a year um uh broadcasting games right now,

(02:21:09):
and of course the lead analyst at Fox. I don't
think Troy's hurting on the money into that either, you know,
So you you have that to look forward to if
you can withstand that cauldron that and and maybe it's
like playing shortstop for the Yankees Jeter all those years,
and there's certain people that are wired to be able

(02:21:30):
to stand up to that. Now I don't think it's
what it used to be because I think with social
media and the way we cover these these teams, all
the other teams in a sense, uh have caught up
in a lot of ways. I mean, you know, there
are other markets that are gonna get huge. You know,
even in Jacksonville, which isn't considered like some enormous market

(02:21:53):
because it's the NFL. I mean that that's gonna be
you know, with that, with the with their new quarterback,
that's gonna be everything with urban Meyer out there, that
these teams that we usually maybe don't care about as
much are are vaulted into the spotlight. The Chicago Bears,
now we've always cared about the Bears, but with this quarterback,
it's it's it's gonna be, you know, the excitement level.

(02:22:16):
Same thing with with Baker going to Cleveland a few
years ago. Cleveland got exciting. So what I'm saying is,
I don't think the separation, and I've watched it over
the years, I think other franchises have caught up in
the terms of like the coverage. It's not quite as like, Okay,
you're on this pedestal that nobody's on. I don't think

(02:22:36):
that's the case anymore, but there is. You you know,
it's it is unique. I mean, I think to still
play quarterback for the Cowboys, you're automatically gonna be just
you know, the most polarizing player. Now, Troy was different.
You Troy and Tony are wired so differently, and and

(02:22:56):
of course Troy was number one overall. He was the
bonus baby, you know from the Star where Romo is
undrafted in so in some ways was such a well
it Dack's a lot like that. Dak was only drafted
in the fourth round. He was he wasn't expected to
get to this place, and it happened for him immediately.

(02:23:16):
With the Romo injury, he took over. He was great,
and he took Romo's starting position. So I I think
you have to be you have to have the right
wiring to be to stand up to all of this.
The good news for the Cowboys and Cowboys fans is
that that's kind of how Dac is wired. I don't
I don't think any of this overwhelms him for the

(02:23:38):
most part, and and he seems to have this sort
of unbelievable calm about him. So, um, I I don't
you know, I don't know if he's ever gonna live
up to what Cowboys fans hope he lives up to.
Will he ever live up to the contract? I don't know,
because nothing short of going to the Super Bowl will
help him live up to the contract. So and the Cowboys,

(02:23:59):
by the way, Romo, whoever you want to put in there,
they haven't been to the super Bowl and forever. I mean,
you gotta go back to the you gotta go back
to the ninety five season. This team doesn't go to
NFC title games anymore. They just don't. So I would
say this the bar is so low right now for
the Cowboys that getting to a title game at some

(02:24:22):
point in the in the in the DAK regime would
be an enormous breakthrough, you know how, Like for the
Packers since Aaron Rodgers has won a Super Bowl, that
getting to the NFC title game doesn't feel as big.
It's like, oh, he didn't break through. Oh he didn't
do it again. Well, if you did that with the
Cowboys right now, even though we think oh, America's team, Like,

(02:24:45):
if you even got to a title game, it would
change everything. Whereas I think Packers fans that doesn't do
it for them anymore. It would do it for the
Cowboys like they may lie to you, but most Cowboys
fans would. It would be like the end of the
world if they returned to an NFC title game. That's

(02:25:06):
really all he has to do. But but that's a lot.
Nobody's done that in a long time here. Well, that's interesting.
I mean the Packers have gone back to back thirteen
and three. Uh, they hosted that's the first time Aaron
Rodgers has ever hosted the NFC Championship game. He's one
and four in those games, but he's played in five
of them. The Packers have grown used to this FARV
got him close a lot, got him to the finish

(02:25:27):
line once. Aaron Rodgers get them close a lot, got
him to the finish line once. The Cowboys haven't sniffed
the finish line in a good while. They had the
season maybe three years ago or whatever it was when
they really seem to be rolling on the right track,
and then it kind of stagnated and they had some
injuries to hit them and different things of that nature.
But one thing you can say, he may not, he

(02:25:47):
may never perform to the level of his contract. But
Dak Prescott has already outperformed his draft position in a
very difficult thing to do. DA's proven out to be
much more deserving of a higher draft pick, and then
he was actually selected. Now he's coming back from a
pretty rough injury. Uh, one that was very hard to watch,
and you knew immediately it was bad. And I mentioned

(02:26:10):
that for a segue, an interesting radio segue, because as
I'm learning more about you, Matt, uh, you are returning
from an injury as well. You you told me in
a text message that you had a bike accident and
you're barely even able to walk and you're still kind
of on the recovery trail. Yeah. Now, I hope I

(02:26:33):
didn't like, overdo this. It was awful, And yeah, I
did go into ditch. Now I'm walking really well. At
this point, it was just what I was saying, what
I was trying to convey to you is I am like,
it's beyond a miracle that I am walking and and
I just have It's an unbelievable feeling to be able

(02:26:53):
to do that. What's crazy is I never lost that ability.
But what happened is, Uh, after I went down to
a ditch and Superman over my bike and I smashed
up half of my mouth, broke two bones my C
two C seven, and then two bones in my back. Uh,
they had to Jason, they had to. Uh. Three weeks later,

(02:27:15):
I was in a neck brace and they thought it
was gonna heal on its own, and my at the
base of my skull, the the C two started to fall.
And so that's scary in a spine, you know, that's
basically anything went wrong and I fell or whatever, if
I could, I could have paralysis at any point. So
they wouldn't let me leave the hospital. And they did

(02:27:37):
a C one and C two fusion, say, fused my
neck together. So uh, you know, as I as I
do the show, with you. I like some of these
you know, some of these players that have the neck collar.
I've got like a blanket around so I can relax
my Uh. But the fact I could even do a
four hour show now somewa debate whether I've been able

(02:27:57):
to pull that off or not. But I mean it
is pretty uh remarkable, And so yeah, I love man.
That was the greatest thing in the world, going around
the lake and I'd ride my bike I don't know,
ten eleven miles a day and I loved it, loved
everything about it. And I just had a freak thing happened.
And a lot of people, everybody that's ridden a bike

(02:28:18):
for a decent amount of time has had a bad accident.
This one just happened to be pretty awful and uh
and it's one of those things. I know, you're a
religious guy. Uh And And basically I went down in
that ditch and was there, and the first guy on
the scene happened to be an E R doc who
was out on his bike that day and took control

(02:28:39):
of the scene, got me stabilized and I and I
was able to like move a finger or two, and
so I knew right away I wasn't paralyzed, so that
was at least a tiny bit of relief. But uh, anyway,
it was it was incredible. Uh, it was crazy to
go through. But uh, yeah, I appreciate you even mentioned
in that. So, yes, I'm coming back, uh from an

(02:29:01):
injury and it was, uh, you know, I don't know
if you call it catastrophic. I think I've broken neck
and back are that could have been it could have
been uh way way worse and uh and and so anyway, yeah,
it's uh, it's it's I'm I'm back in uh doing
all the kind of uh uh you know, putting all
the physical therapy in and neuromuscular massage. It is an

(02:29:24):
excuse to once a week get a massage. So that's
been nice and uh and yeah it's been Um I'm
on the comeback trail, so uh, yes, I do. I
am coming back from something. But that's solid. I mean,
it's a little bit different than deck and you're gonna
be asked to do a little bit less physicality. But look, man,
what you broke and what you had to deal with,

(02:29:46):
I don't know, like the idea of having to have
something to make sure your neck is it feels right
during a four hour show talking into a microphone. Look,
I'm saying you're playing hurt. Like if I was a
GM of the if I was a GM of the
Pels right now, I would be suggesting that the officials
need to watch how you're being handled when you're down.
What's good? I know what's good. Yeah, I'm such an

(02:30:08):
injury risk right now. The Cowboys were destined to be
to take me early. Oh, there it is. They're gonna
overdraft you because they're gonna take the risk on Matt Moseley.
Let's go to Kevin Figures, never a risk going to him.
Let's find out what's going on, Kevin Morning, Jason Mann
actually Isaacs all Matta, glad you're okay, very glad you're okay. Sure, yeah,

(02:30:30):
and and much respect for playing hurt. I almost called
in sick today because of a hangnail. So various difference
in times bet microphone. In the NBA on Friday and
at the Portland Trailblazers got thirty eight from Damian Lillard
in a one oh six to one oh one victory
over the Los Angeles Lakers of Portland in sixth place
in the West. Lakers, who have lost eight of ten
dropped down to seventh place. Boy On Bogdanov at a

(02:30:52):
career high forty eight in Utah's one, seven to one
twenty victory over Denver. The Jazz at forty nine and
eighteen is the best record in the NBA on a
four game winning streaks, sixers on a seven game winning streak.
After a two point victory over New Orleans, Joel and
be thirty seven points thirteen rebounds. Sons improved to forty
eight and nineteen with a twenty three point victory over

(02:31:13):
the Knicks. In Major League Baseball, Friday night, Cincinnati Reds
pitcher Wade Miley was one out away from a no
hitter in Cleveland. The one one swing a week grounder
to short farmer in he has it to first and
that's it. A no hitter. Four wait Mightley the seven
no hitter in Rat's history. Call on w l W

(02:31:36):
four no hitter in the Major's already this year. The
second in three days Mets over the Diamondbacks and ten innings,
five to four game featured some sort of incident in
the tunnel between Mets teammates Francisco Lindor and Jeff McNeil.
After the game, Lindor said it wasn't a fight, but
rather a heated debate, with Lindor saying he saw a

(02:31:58):
rat in the tunnel and make neil claiming it was
a raccoon. And a related story, Fox Sports Radio obtained
exclusive audio of Lindore and McNeil having a beer in
the Mets clubhouse after the victory. Listen, it's less felling.
It tastes great less felling, taste, great less feeling. Two

(02:32:20):
can't agree about anything. Giants the Padres five to four.
Giants in first place in the West over the Padres
by a game and a half. In the Angels broke
a five game losing streak with a nine to two
victory over the Dodgers. Jason and Matt all yours all right,
appreciate it. That's Ilo, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's clever audio.
It's very true. Ford versus Chevy also would like to
have a word. It's just amazing that happens in a

(02:32:42):
It's amazing and also very fitting that happens in the
Mets dugout. Even when the Mets do right things, they
end up doing wrong things. Uh, they have some talented
guys and they still find a way to lose, and
it's a beautiful, beautiful thing. It's a great reality of
wake up as a Braves fan and see the futility
that manages to occur, even tripping over their own untied
shoelaces up at City Field with the Mets. So I'm

(02:33:06):
not not not horrifyingly upset by that. I just can't
believe that it But again, I told you this. Any
argument can escalate because it can become personal, like everything's
fine and then somebody says something about somebody's wife and
then there's a problem. On the hand. I've read more
on this, and I don't think there was a raccoon

(02:33:26):
or a rat involved. I mean this is all yeah,
I mean it, this was something happened there. And by
the way, these are the smoothest update folks. Oh my gosh,
going from Figures too. I mean, this is a really
good group here. I would like to do more early
morning radio. Well maybe you're gonna get that opportunity, you

(02:33:48):
never know. But yeah, I've ditten Figures in Ilo and
all these guys friendly and all of his adjectives and everything.
I'll be dealing with him, of course. And I say dealing,
I say it out of love, and I also say
it out of truth. I'll be dealing with him tomorrow.
Oh Matt. The quarterbacks that were drafted last week, we
talked about them so ad nauseum that I didn't spend
a lot of time we we we teached it, and
then we didn't really talk all that much about it.

(02:34:09):
But of the five, how many of them do you
think could or will bust It's such a negative question,
but it's but it's positive questions, just the negative. How
many do I think you're gonna bust out of the five?
I mean, that's here's what history will tell you. There

(02:34:33):
probably will only be they would be very very fortunate
for two of them to be like really really good.
Uh three, there will be like one or two that
are okay, and like two of them will probably bust
out okay, and then there'll be one It'll be there'll
be one that's great to kind of and then and

(02:34:56):
then a couple that bust out on you. Which ones
do you? It's really the way it is. Oh man,
I'm rooting for Fields. I mean, I think that's that's
that's an exciting deal. And and for them to come
rolling up the board like they did to get him
at eleven. I mean, I there's some there's an excitement
level over him. Wilson is the one that, I mean,

(02:35:17):
both Wilson and in Lance fascinate me so much because
Wilson out of b y U just had I mean,
he was a good quarterback there, but he had one
just crazy good year. And let's not act like, although
you know they played Coastal Carolina, that's a good team,
but they didn't play great competition. He went nuts. I mean,

(02:35:38):
I'm so I'm very excited to see what he can do.
But you have to factor in that it's the Jets,
and you always, you were joking a little while ago,
it's the Mets. We expect something crazy and horrible to happen. Well,
you you kind of expected around the Jets. And there
are still people who think, hey, Donald's good quarterback. He
just was infected with whatever the Jets due to people.
So can Wilson overcome that? I mean, Lawrence at least

(02:36:01):
has a coach who, at least at the college level,
is one of the greatest of all time. I mean,
they're Saban and you don't go too far before you
get to Meyer. And I could go on about maybe
some of the people, you know, some of the teams
he's had, and some of the character concerns and all that.
But the guy is an unbelievable coach. So Lawrence is
set up to succeed. I don't know that Wilson is

(02:36:24):
Lance is the biggest projection I mean almost we've ever had.
I mean it's it's like we we we kind of
thought we knew wins. We don't know. We really don't
know Lance. But the upside is incredible. And the fit
with that, with with that coach, and and from a
scheme wise, and what we think he's able to do

(02:36:45):
with quarterbacks, and if this guy has some greatness in him,
this coach should be able to bring it out in him.
So I I from a fit standpoint, I would say
I would I would just say Lawrence and Lance, Lance,
and Lance is definitely I mean Lance. I don't know
a higher draft pick that's walking into what we think
is a better situation than Trey Lance is walking to

(02:37:08):
in San Francisco right now. Like the list is incredibly
short the century, But who's walking into a better situation
than Matt Jones. Well, I mean, there's gonna be a
lot yeah, I guess that's true. I guess he doesn't
have to play automatically. So well, we'll carry this debate
over into the final segment of the show. We'll come
back here in just a bit. Here on Fox Sports Radio,

(02:37:28):
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So Matt, go ahead with your Matt Jones point where
we went to break there about the situation you think

(02:38:10):
he's walked into. Because I still believe that Lance has
walked into by far, the best spot. But I guess
that's just because I need to see what the Patriots
are gonna look like. They're certainly gonna look a lot
better than they did last year. Well, they're starting to
put some weapons together. And you know, I don't know
how much longer Belichick wants to do this, but if

(02:38:31):
you're gonna talk about the place that has one, I mean,
you know, one of those dominant franchises of the of
the salary cap era, I mean, they've just it's just
been unbelievable. Nobody else is even close. I mean, and
in into to do what they've accomplished. Now, of course
Tom going to Tampa Bay in winning one there, does

(02:38:53):
that take any luster off what the Patriots did? Maybe
a tiny bit, but but but the run that those
two had together, and Mac Jones being a guy that
at least on the on the surface has some similar
skills accuracy, delivers the ball on time, um, you know,
moves around fine, is not is obviously not that most

(02:39:14):
athletic quarterback. But I would say that that's an unbelievable
position to to walk into a place that has produced
that many Super Bowls, that many rings and and has
that kind of stability, um to know what they're doing
on both sides of the ball. And and then maybe
one year for Cam to do it and kind of

(02:39:37):
and kind of learn and and then bring him up
slowly CALLI. I mean you could make the argument that
that was by far the best situation to walk into, uh,
just based on history. But I am fascinated your trade
lancing is so you asked me though a very leading question,
which is okay, But basically, who's gonna be the bust

(02:39:59):
in this thing? And the boy could really be any
of them. I'm just saying, Uh, it's easier to bust
in bad organizations, and the Jets and and honestly Jacksonville
has to qualify as well for a bad organization. So
the best case scenario, if I'm gonna take the positive
spin on this, is your man Trey Lance, and then

(02:40:22):
um and then and then I think Fields that's the
That's the one that's just fascinating to me because from
a from a talent standpoint, everything, he could be the
best of all of them. I mean, he really could,
and there's really no reason in my mind he should
be down there at eleven. But Chicago, man, they've got
to be so excited. The mac Jones thing is interesting because, uh,

(02:40:47):
some people say, well, he's very similar to Tom Brady,
in some ways in terms of the body type and
all of that stuff. Well, the other thing is, you
hope he's not similar to a bunch of Alabama quarterbacks
that have gone to the pros, because generally that doesn't
work out. He's played with receivers that are at their
level so far above the people that are trying to
cover them that you find out that TWA doesn't have

(02:41:08):
those windows to throw in in Miami, and all of
a sudden he doesn't look quite the same Mac Jones
super accurate, but he's not gonna have the same advantages
that he had at Alabama. That becomes maybe the different concern.
Matt has been fun Man's first I've ever worked with you.
Hopefully won't be the last. It looks like, you know,
some of the listeners enjoyed it this morning. We appreciate
all the interaction on on Twitter. Thank you. Jason really

(02:41:30):
enjoyed it. Let's do it again, Yeah, let's do it.
Jason McIntyre's coming up next across most of these Fox
Sports radio stations, Jason Martin Show tomorrow morning. I'll see
you at three am.

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