05/09/2021 - FOX Sports Sunday with Mike Harmon and LaVar Arrington - Fox Sports Radio

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We're back for another fun and exciting Sunday morning run
with you. Maybe twenty six point two to go here
on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports Sunday. We'll see what
our stamina is, no question about it. Mike Carmen alongside
the great three time pro bowler, the All American himself.
It's our guy, LaVar Arrington. Everybody, how are you? You

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know I live up to that name every once in
a while. Good morning. It's legacy play man, right, That's
what we're talking about. And a lot of stories that
are going around and swirling in the sporting world is
legacy plays, and certainly legacy today as it is Mother's Day. Yeah,
let's start with legacy day with every every single legacy

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play in sports had to start with a legacy play
of being brought here by someone who was a part
of the legacy of good women, hopefully good women. Hopefully. Yeah,
you know, as Kevin Durant said famously years ago, you're
the real M v P, the you that kind of thing.
And I know, look, everybody's relationship with their families are different,
but it doesn't change the fact that someone had to

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bring into this world. So at least if you just
give a nod for that, then give an odd for that.
Beyond that, As my uncle, my late uncle used to say, LaVar,
everybody's a mother sometime, and I think you know what
he was trying to say. Yeah, I think I'm putting
that on a shirt too, but because it makes a
lot of sense. But yeah, big day out if you're

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out having a little brunch, maybe out for a walk,
having you know the mom breakfast in bed, you know
where you can still get the kids to start getting
on board that you trust them at the stove, have
at it. You know, opportunity knocks, but we're happy to
be here and uh knowing not and raise of my
oversized cup of coffee. And in respect to all the

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out there to play that role in in a young
person's life. Absolutely, I'm gonna try a interesting recipe today.
Might and you know, trishta doesn't She might not like it,
but I'm going to try it anyway. There's always pizza
like like it. Yeah, there's always no but I mean,

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like if it goes horribly wrong and for some reason,
you you end up with something's inedible. And this is
just general life advice, folks. The the number of the
pizza place or your nearest fast food uh, opportunity has
never been easier, easier. You don't even have to use
a number anymore. That's to wrap um. So I'm going

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to use a piece of bacon, a strip of bacon,
and I'm going to put the pancake batter over the bacon.
About that, and I'm going to cook a bacon pancake. Yeah,
let that one sink in everyone out there and somebody hurt. Man,

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they're gonna go try it now. Well, I've done the
chopped up bits in there, and it can get it
can get a little dicey. I mean part of it.
What what type of bacon did you choose? I mean,
we've done the bacon roses, We've We've used bacon in
so many ways. Yeah, I'm going to cook it a
little bit before I put put because it'll take a

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little longer for the meat the cook rather than the
the pancake itself. So I'll cook the bacon a little
bit before I do it. But it's thicker cut bacon.
And and I gotta like, you know, Truce has gotta
skill it never since we've got no real skillet. It's

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like it really does make a difference to cook with
a with an iron skill. I would just tell you this,
always be aware of where that iron skillet is though,
mm hmmm, because it's heavy, right, Just saying, you know
it can cause a considerable damage. Yeah, so you know
what we're We're about giving advice in all forms, be

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game picks, life advice, coaching advice, and in so many ways,
and and one of those is just always be cognizant
of where frying pans are. Like. This comes from stories
told to me by my mother of incidents in her
house growing up where things would start flying temper tempers

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flaring as it were, which leads us directly into and
you'll be able to follow, uh LaVar's exploits no doubt
at King of the Mammals on Instagram. Uh, find me
over at Swollen Dome. Another day of soccer ahead for me,
a doubleheader from Adeline as they get towards State Cup.
At some point She's just gonna be one big bruise

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at this point because I had a strategy that look,
I never fall to good strategy. I just want, uh,
I want everybody to be cognizant of what's going on here.
They played a team yesterday and LaVar that essentially played
soccer like they were in the low post of a
basketball game. So it was dirty. They got me in there. Well,

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it's it's just The idea to me, and it goes
all the way back to Shaquille O'Neil and some of
the big men banging in the low post is why
is it different if I run you over versus I
use my large posterior to bang you off the ball.
But if I create if I'm trying to create an

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advantage that way, like take it to soccer instead of
basketball for a second, right, where you've now knocked yourself
off the ball, why is it a fall on the defender?
That makes no sense to me. We had several of
those called and I'm still trying to get an explanation
from the official. It's just a theory theoretical thing because

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if you know, back in the day, Shaquille O'Neal, with
his what can we say, three under thirty pound frame
with just smash guys backwards but create space for himself
to then get a shot off, should that not be
a fall to Well, Shaquille O'Neil had to do it
because they were hacking him. Yeah, I know that the

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hacker shacks a separate issue from the the like. Yes, obviously,
the evolution that was the evolution of of Shaquille O'Neil
was to get the ball bang you bang, you spin,
turn jam down, and that he's created an advantage, which
in theory, you know you're supposed to be able to

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play d on him. But if if he's going to
be able to throw his mass fully at you to
knock you off the play, isn't that creating the advantage
thereby a fall? And he was called for a lot
of charge. I mean, I'm like, look, I'm not gonna
fall to good strategy again, you know, but if you
and I will, there you go. Okay, took the words
out of my mind. You gotta use what you have.

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I mean, if Shaquille O'Neill doesn't use that that rare
size and in quickness and agility to his advantage, then
he doesn't become Shaquille O'Neil. Yeah, it was just a
curiosity kind of watching it be deployed. I'm just all
about I'm all about adapting and adjusting. So if they're

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doing a tactic, then you have to come up with
a counter tactic. Like that's kind of like for me,
like if I get a guy who you know, he's
out there and he's getting held during the game, and
it's like, what are you what am I going to do? Coach,
What I'm gonna do? You got to show them what
what the what the tactic is to neutralize that, you know,

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what's being used against you. I mean in this case,
it would have just been flopping and then allowing them
what they want. Maybe not flopping, but you put that
if they're backing into you with that type of you know,
with that type of like force, then they can't possibly
have the balance. Like if you think about Shaquille O'Neil,

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that's a professional. So if you if you push him
pool on him, you might not get the result you're
looking or because he's going to have great balance. But
if you're doing it at like the you know, high
school level, you know, maybe even college level at times,
if if somebody's throwing their weight back on you that

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much and you have your hand on them, then you
push him pool. It's a pushing pool so insteady you
flop and they flop. Yeah, I mean the other becomes
just as soon as they go to that tactic. As
a defender, you have to start to cheat a bit.
Would have been my tactic because the ball's coming free
and then it's just you know forced The official to
make a call, one call that didn't have to be

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made last night in front of seventy three thousand, one
d twenty six people, LaVar Canelo Alvarez, the suspected broken
orbital bone is what ended the fight. And for any
of you that have ever broken a bone and then
been able to watch it, watch your body start to

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swell and mutate, that wasn't pretty because you saw it
immediately right that the cheeks started to blow up a bit. Uh.
And you know I broke my leg going back to
high school basketball and was scooting off the court and
just watching it grow to it a grotesque, bloated size,
going oh my, this is this is bad news here.

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But Alvarez in the eighth round now holds three of
the four belts in the hundred sixty eight pound division.
Was leading on all the cards as you would expect.
But yeah, this was a spectacle of spectacles. The ring entrance,
you want to talk about it, getting after it at
a T and T stadium, all sorts of superstars and attendants. Uh.

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And Jerry Jones in his box smiling based on the
number of folks there. Uh. Billy Joe Saunders had a
couple of rounds right in the middle of the fight,
put up put up some some blows. Some people thought
he was winning the fight at some point in time. YEA,
six rounds at least made it to where it's like,
all right now, now we're back to even you know,

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the first round was a phill out round, and they
were saying, you know, the experts were saying how they
had had Canelo down after the first round, and and
then he came on a little bit, and then it
became even like it got a little interesting a little bit,
and towards the center of the like you know, like

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the fourth, fifth, sixth round, it got pretty interesting. But
if you heard the interviews going into the fight, Canelo
said it would be a difficult fight for him and
and that it would take till the seventh, eighth or
so round for the fight to develop, which is funny
because there was someone who said one of his trainers said,

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he's not gonna make any predictions, but you know that
that the whole lead up to the fight was so offensive,
with with the trash talk that they were saying eighth
round was going to be a knockout, which was kind
of crazy that he didn't knock him out in the round,
but he t k Odine coming out of it. So
it was pretty that was I thought that was pretty interesting. Yeah,

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you get to sit down and after a quick investigation
of what's transpiring, UH that that was the end of it. Uh.
And Alvarez, to his part, I knew that would be
the final outcome. I knew it. I think I broke
his cheek and knew he wasn't coming out of that corner.
I told Eddie Herne, his training staff, he wasn't coming
out because I broke his cheek. I knew it was

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and shots out to Canelo man, like I've met him
early on in his career. I actually was at the
Mayweather Canelo Alvarez fight and he never spoke English. And
and you know what he did. He did part of
his interview in English. He did one part of one
of his promos in English. And he has such a

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tremendous um Mexican following. I mean, he's so beloved um
obviously Mexico's uh pride. But for him to be fighting
in Dallas, Texas, and to be fighting in America and
training in America, and to actually start to do some
of the interviews in in English. It just it just

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further confirms that great ones always seemed to adapt into
adjust well and then recognizing, you know, you want to
get over on a whole other level. I thought it
was pretty cool, man. I thought it was pretty freaking
cool that, you know what, that speaking speaking English to
his American fan base, UM was important enough to him

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to to put in the time and the effort to
not only be able to speak it, but to be
able to understand it, you know. And he had he
had his translator there. They had a translator there, and
he did the post interview, most of it in Spanish,
but there were times where he would would try to
do it, you know, speaking English. And you know, I

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just there's little things that matter to me, Mike, And
the fact that you know, you're fighting in America, you
you have FI in America, UM, and you're trying to
learn how to communicate in in English to English speaking Americans.
It just says that you care a little bit more

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than what maybe some other people would care in terms
of being able to communicate and connect to to the
fan base. So I thought that was really cool, man.
I thought it was worth worth uh like highlighting. Oh absolutely,
I mean, look, it's it's one thing to refine your
skills in the ring, and everybody's gonna respect it. Right,
What is he fifty five one in two or something

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like that, Yeah, thirty eight KOs at this point, uh,
Saunders falls to thirty and one uh with loss. But
you look at the opportunity to continue to grow and
people bemoan the heavy weight lass and that's all finding
good boxing is healthy. Right. We'll get into the Mayweather
Paul world a little bit later on in the show,

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because all the handwringing and and crying about that is
is really lost on me. It's entertainment. People turn the
channel watch something else if you don't like it. Everybody's
trying to get their bag. And to that point, I
think for Alvarez and his team, they recognize that being
able to speak speak beyond you know, to your Hispanic audience, right,

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and and the translation and trying to work into English
a bit. And it's why English is compulsory in a
lot of foreign countries, you know, when you're doing business
and and it helps to bridge things, right, You're all
we're all trying to find some sort of common language
in US, you know, doing sports, we have you know,
the euphemisms, the the analogies, all of that that play

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out time and time again here. You know, you're trying
to say, all right, we've got we've got our base.
How do we expand our base? How do we get
a bigger bag? Uh? And being able to draw seventy
three thousand people, largest crowd since the COVID pandemic began, Uh, yeah,
it's a beautiful sign. You know. We had fifty thousand
or there about at Churchill Downs a week ago for

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the Oaks and Kentucky Derby. We've got seventy thousand here,
growing stronger, all those restrictions loosening all of those things. Uh.
I hope to be able to raise a beer at
a sporting event with you and our team here soon
in the bar. Uh it's common, baby, It's would would
be nice. And and seeing all those people in there

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watching that I thought was pretty awesome. I mean a
lot of people thought that it might have been an
upset coming, an upset growing a lot of people. You know,
the Gypsy King himself was there. Uh. Tyson Fury was
was in attendance and and a part of the opposition
of of Canelo and thought that you know, Canelo might
take taken nail that night. So to see all those

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people there, I thought that was pretty cool. Man hyping
it up right. He saw Zeke his his his head
was maybe like seven or eight pounds, appearingly overweight. So
about to wait and so we're now we're reading into
the stills of of a guy's body. I love it. Yeah.

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Immediately when they when they shouted out Errol Spence and
I was like, is that PM Wait, wait, that's that's Zeke?
That Zeke? You know it wasn't uh you and duh
tell you I love you like now, It wasn't hell. Look,
we given got some songs out of He's got a

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Welcome in everybody, my garment alongside the great LaVar Arrington. No,
no thumbs up was because you guys one on the penel.

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No no, no, no, we we lost on what was
a foul called up play. Well, it's it's more just
from a filling I can't fall to good strategy. Hey,
they they ended up with a free kick that that
ended up being a being a winner. But it was
just more the alright, just raise my hand to the
good folks and look, I understand defensive strategies. I appreciate
all the the coaches out there. I understand how to

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make adjustments. That was not the point. That was not
the point, was not the point at all. It was.
But that's okay. I appreciate the input. I appreciate you
all out there listening wherever you are at Swollen Home
on Twitter and Instagram, find LaVar on Twitter at LaVar
Arrington at King of the Mammals on Instagram, and and
of course hear him while you see him during the

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week on FS one. He's a man of many trades,
you know, and and and working to expand uh that
yelling platform and then obviously and speaking wisdom. And then
on Saturday up on game here on Fox Sports Radio
ten am to new and you you hear LaVar alongside
t J. Hugh, Schvenzada, Plaxco Burris with you each and

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every Saturday morning here West Coast time. Now, the Los
Angeles Lakers have become the the curiosity down the stretch
here a week from today, right we today, Yeah, it's
the ninth. Uh, we have the final games of the
NBA regular season, and we've had the commentary. Couple of

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weeks ago, it was Dallas complaining about the play in tournament.
Most recently Lebron James calling for the job of someone
now that they're in danger of being in the play
and game. Everybody likes the playing game, and Lebron loved
it when he didn't have to worry about it when
they were a number one seed, but suddenly precariously close
to having to play in that tournament, and well, right

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now they are. They're a game behind the Portland Trailblazers
at thirty seven and thirty So now you're you're looking
at you get home court advantage and all of those things,
and you'd have to lose twice from that seed. But
it's still the just the idea, the indignity of having
to fall down to that level two and eight in
their last ten. We've seen some glimpses of Anthony Davis,

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but we've been hearing a lot of if related to
the Lakers. Uh, and it's frankly nauseating. Uh, if they're healthy. Yeah,
we do that with a lot of teams, right, you
could do that at the beginning of the season when
you're doing speculation when guys are actually hurt coming down
the stretch. That that doesn't really hold a lot of

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a lot of weight from where I sit. So we've
got we've got a couple of cuts from Frank Vogel
that I that I wanted to bring to your LaVar.
Number one, talking about the play in and where we're
at health and fighting down the stretch. I can't worry
about that games as we can and wherever we land,
we're confident. You know, obviously we want to be you

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want to finish in the top six. We still have
five games to make up some rout if that's possible,
and uh, you know, we'll continue to try to win
as many of those games as we can. But you know,
we're in adjustment phase like they've been in all year.
You know, we don't have our either of our two
primary quarterbacks and even tailing so um, the authors tacked
against us in a situation like this, and very proud

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of how our guys competed and you know, had an
opportunity to you know, pull off a very difficult win.
So so proud of that compete, compete like we did tonight. Um,
you know against Phoenix. You know, I feel confident we're
gonna win that game. And that's all we can control,
all right, control what you can write. A lot of
a lot of sound there for the coach speak of

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you know, we just have to play our best basketball. Okay,
that's fine, but you know, and I know you guys
had it a little bit on up on game and
certainly during the week. You know, everybody just keeps saying
when if you know, all of that, Lebron James and
Anthony Davis, that's all fine and good. Now, James out
with his ankle injury, did not attend the Lakers win
over the Nuggets on one day or the loss to

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the Clippers on Thursday. And then for Frank Vogel, Lebron
wasn't going to travel with the team to Portland for
the game Friday night against the Blazers either, And I
wanted to highlight this exchange, UH, and being asked, well,
where is he at? A lot of the games you
played with Lebron, Lebron was was on the bench. Is
there of medical reason why Lebron hasn't joined the team

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the last few games? He's just not here. He's with us,
He's he's with us. I shoot around this morning. Um,
he's not gonna be on this trip to Portland and
he'll we join the team after that. So in the response, UH,
for the video component of it, you know, as we
are all now amateur body language experts, LaVar Vogel vote

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didn't seem like he wanted that question or any part
of it. Now they're saying excused absences. This comes out
later saying you know that they wanted him to quote
stay off the ankle mhm. But at the time it
was very terse and kind of shifting in the chair
and looking around with the no, he's just not here,

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but he's going through shoot arounds and you know, and
and was there, not not participating, but physically in the building.
So leads to a little more speculation of what the
hell is going on? Well, he should have been prepared
for that to be one of the top questions that
he received. I mean, to get uncomfortable and not be
prepared for that one, Mike would be you know, to

(26:31):
me nonsensible to think that you would be unprepared for
that question. As you mentioned, we know that this Lakers
you know, coverage and fan base is all based around qualify.
I call Brussard and and Buker, uh, the great qualifier
and the great deflector. Um. Brussard is a qualifier and

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am Buker deflects and and they do it really well.
And you know what, that's what the Lakers fan base does.
They qualify and deflect. And it's like, well, deflect the
fact that we know we're facing the inevitable of getting
to the playoffs and not knowing what the health of

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this team is especially the major pieces to the team. Now,
the qualifier is if they were to somehow some way
get healthy enough by playoff time, whether it's the playoff
play in, whether they were to make it into the
playoffs altogether, they believe that they have as good a

(27:38):
chance to come out of the West and win it
as anybody else. And I don't think anyone is disagreeing
with that, Mike, right, nobody is healthy and shrewder and
obviously yeah, listen, I think I think everybody would agree
with Lakers fans that that's correct. But the qualifier is

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if they are all healthy at the same point in
time and can stay healthy. So you know, they're probably
going to like extreme lengths and measures to get all
of these guys back healthy um as quickly as they
possibly can. And that's probably where Lebron was at. I mean,

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you know, one of the things that I learned later
on in my career, Mike, I didn't know it earlier
because I was always like really just trying to make
sure that my rules of engagement with media was really
really um, don't break certain rules where the media finds
themselves looking at you as an adversary. But then once

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I got a little older and a little wiser in
the game and started to really understand how to do
interviews and how media truly truly worked, then you just
say what it is that you need to say, and
know what it is you need to say going in.
If I lost a game, I knew what I needed
to say. I thought about those things before the media

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even got to the locker room. So you say it
and then you be done with it. You don't have
to keep answering it to justify it for the person
that asked you the question or the perceived response to
the answer that you gave. You just gave it, and
that's what it was. Yeah, in this case, it was
pretty simple. If later on you're gonna then say stay

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out the ankle, well that's still medically, that's still a
medical issue. That's my problem right now. But that's the
thing that leads me to, are you fighting behind the
scenes about what the roster looks like if he's not there?
Is that where this now gets to because he's not
playing in there two and eight in their last ten
and look, obviously injuries have piled up. Uh th HD

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Taylor Horton, Tucker Cash, strain, he's been unavailable. You've got
it's the walk wounded Kyle Kuzma probably not going to
play tonight against the Sons. Obviously we've been watching Anthony Davis. Uh,
and you see glimpses right starting around himself into shape
or so it would seem truely you mentioned he's out,

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but they'll get him back in a few days. Uh,
it would appear. And then you've got Gassol and KCP
both on the and and Alex Caruso on the injured
list as well. So by saying it's not medically related,
you lead to speculations like, all right, are you fighting
with the GM because of the team that got put together?

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What we were thinking like why can't you just say
what it is like? And you don't have to say
exactly what it is, just say what you you you
you know prepared as the right statement to make and
keep it moving. You know, that's you don't have to
be Bill Bill BELICHICKI and on how you do it,

(31:00):
you know, but you can do it in a way
where you answer the question and you answer the question correctly.
You know, as listen, he's still dealing with medical issues
where we're addressing them, and we thought it would be
best for him to stay put where he's at done. Like,
how can the media have a problem with that? Yeah,

(31:22):
I think i'd they ask you again, you answer it
the same exact way, and you I'm here so I
don't get fined is essentially what you start doing. But yeah,
when when it came to this, because obviously in the backdrop,
how many National games have you seen when Lebron was
out the first time that he was on the underneath

(31:43):
the basket and he'd pop out during time outs to
coach guys up right and given some instruction, given some
you know, encouragement and all those things. And then for him,
as you're in a stretcher and trying to stay out
of the plane to not be there, obviously it was
going to come up from one of these guys. They're otherwise,
they're not doing their job. I just thought it was

(32:03):
funny when when Lebron said, then this playing whoever came
up with this bleep, they need to be fired. And
then now all of a sudden we're seeing, Okay, the
Lakers are heading for the play in, and there are
some dangerous teams that are going to be in this
play in playoffs. So if you thought that that was

(32:25):
just a random statement from Lebron James, I think we
all knew Lebron James was bracing for where this Laker
team is hitting, and it was that play in So
as we see it sitting there right now, Lakers and
seven the Warriors stuff with a ridiculous night. We'll talk
about him a little bit later. Memphis at five hundred,

(32:48):
John Morant and those young guns, Uh, they can come
to play and get up on you on any given night.
And then right now you've got the Spurs at thirty
two and thirty four. Are they going to beat you
in a seven game? But Popovich for one night, two nights?
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(33:29):
word I live by starting in the NBA Michael and LaVar,
where Russell Westbrook is simply historic thanks to what he
did on Saturday night, thirty three points, nineteen rebounds, fifteen
assists in an overtime win at Indiana, tying Oscar Robertson's
all time NBA record with the one hundred and eighty
first triple double of his career. That's over two full

(33:52):
seasons worth of triple doubles, by the way. Bradley Beale
scored fifty points in this game for the Wizards before
leaving with an injury in the worth quarter. The Brooklyn
Nets rattling from a twenty one point deficit to what
at Denver one five to one nineteen, breaking a four
game losing streaks, the Utah Jazz becoming the first NBA
team to fifty wins as they defeated the Houston Rockets

(34:13):
one to one sixteen. Steph Curry forty nine points in
just twenty nine minutes in Golden States thirty nine point
victory over Oklahoma's City, and the Philadelphia seventy six Ers
defeating the Pistons what eighteen to what oh four. Philly
now on an eight game winning streak in Major League Baseball.
On Saturday night, Dodgers held off the Angels fourteen to

(34:34):
eleven in a wild game in Anaheim. The Dodgers led
after five innings thirteen to nothing. The Angels outscored them
eleven to one over the next two innings, but could
get no closer. Mookie Bets of the Dodgers had four
urbi and the Atlanta Braves scored four in the bottom
of the twelfth thinning to beat the Phillies eight to seven.

(34:54):
The Braves also rallied from a three one deficit in
the ninth inning and a four three defice it in
the eleventh inning. Back to Michael and La Bacon, Bacon
and nice, that's what you'll be known as after breakfast today, baby,
the bacon, the bacon eight. No, actually that's already trademark. Sorry,
scratch that. Yeah, so you know the Bacon. I dig that.

(35:21):
We'll have to see if you can make that part
of your official run of nicknames at Isaac Loowan crowd
where you find him on Twitter. Hey, coming up next,
we're gonna take a dive into the Aaron Rodgers conversation
and something. Maybe I'm the only guy raising my hand
to try to have an explanation of why, Well, there's
a little bit of love on the packers roster. That's

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Mother's Day out there, all you who served that role
man woman child. All right, we're all helping in each other.
It takes a village, as they say, LaVar Mike Carman,
LaVar Arrington with you here on Fox Sports Radio. Having

(36:49):
some fun on the highways and by ways. It's getting
crowded out there again. Just mind your surroundings. Uh, too many.
I was driving to the soccer tournament that I was
talking about yesterday, all right, talking about earlier. It was
yesterday afternoon and what should it was at Norco alright,
so it's it's a nice hefty drive. Saw some some

(37:11):
teams practicing some football. It was cool watching guys work out.
They had the sound system from the big clubhouse blaring.
I think I heard poison at least twice during the
time we were there, which is great. But just seeing
the number of accidents and not one or two cars
now it's like, here's four cars together off on the

(37:32):
side of the road. Just pay attention to what you're doing,
because folks are back out there. Uh. This public service
announcement brought to you by me. Uh, just be smart
about it, folks. Uh. As we get through this NFL
offseason right now that we're into the next part of
the phase. Right, we got uh fights over whether you

(37:52):
should show up in person or not. And we'll get
into that a little bit next hour, LaVar. But this
Aaron Rodgers saga, there's so much to it, and he
said nothing directly at this point except to Mike Tarico
in the Kentucky Derby coverage of I'm just sorry I
got out. It's like, well, nobody's buying that you and
your agent and and your team aren't leaking some of

(38:15):
this and the number of ex packers that have talked
I wanted to start going through every roster and just
start reaching out for comment to back up offensive lineman
from the last couple of years. But one of the
things and an angle, maybe maybe I'm the guy raising
my hand and becoming the problem child and all this
is as related to Jordan's love and that being such

(38:38):
a a horrible thing that the Packers did. And you
can say, hey, maybe you should have gotten a courtesy call.
Maybe yeah, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr. Looked like they're
going to be players, right, Guys that were drafted at
the top of the second round. So you can raise
your hand and say, hey, we should have gone and
gotten you another wide receiver. But I'd like to raise
this issue, uh in make this one night seven points

(39:03):
in the Aaron Rodgers saga, remember what happened in LaVar
with the Green Bay Packers off to a four and
one start, Aaron Rodgers sixteen touchdowns out the jump, and
then gets his collarbone busted Week six against Minnesota, thus
entering the Brent Hudley experiment. Now, Hundley came in the offense, right,

(39:31):
but the offense just died. That was it. And we
go back and you look at that school, well there's yeah,
well that that's true too. But for the Packers, a
team that had some promise, Jamal Williams, Aaron Jones, a
little bit of Taie Montgomery at the running back position,
you had Randall Cobb alongside Davante Adams putting up numbers,

(39:55):
and then it just stopped. And that isn't to say
that Jordan's love should something have befallen, Aaron Rodgers wouldn't
have suffered the same fate. But at least you're looking
at a roster that was ready to compete and bringing
in a veteran backup that would have been ready to
take snaps wouldn't that have cheese? Aaron Rodgers off more

(40:15):
as opposed to the guy that's gonna be ready in
a couple of years. You know, Aaron Rodgers has has
always had a problem. That's even going back to draft
night when he talked about the decision. He's always had
a problem. I look at the Aaron Rodgers situation and

(40:38):
there's a lot of different angles that you can take
on it. But the one angle that people really maybe
don't live in too much or talk about too much
is that the packers can do what they want to do.
Like like, let me reintroduce this to you. The packers

(40:58):
are the employer. The packers are the company. The packers
are the one who are signing the paychecks. So I
hear all of these examples, Well, imagine being the employee
of the week all year. Imagine being the employee of
the month all year. Imagine doing all of these things

(41:21):
and you're the best at what you do all the time,
and you're not appreciated by your employer. What do you
do well? But it's also I guess your perception of
what being appreciated is, well, here's the thing, Mike, here's
what you do. You Hey, you either keep working because

(41:45):
you're apparently very good at what you do and you
take pride in it, and you keep working until something
you know shows up, Like there, are you doing a
job that has more of a a ceiling or are
you doing a job that you have more of an
opportunity for growth? And the skills that you are applying

(42:09):
that are getting you all of these awards and accolades,
are they transferable to a different profession. Most people have
to take their skill sets and they have to seek
different employment in different places in order to be able
to achieve and accomplish the next level of success that
they're looking for. Or sometimes it just takes a whole

(42:33):
lot of time for you to be able to achieve,
uh a level of climbing the corporate ladder and in
the occupation. But Mike, you're a quarterback and and you're
not climbing an occupational ladder so to speak. You're in
your position. This is your position. You can get compensated

(42:55):
more money, and that's fine. So just focusing on the
things that you control as as the person that is
an employee. I just think that's some of this whole
thing of all the justification needed for Aaron Rodgers in
this scenario is getting a tad bit out of hand.
I'm not saying shut up and throw the ball. I

(43:15):
mean it's not that type. Look at that. Yeah, I'm
not doing that. I want to make sure I cleared
that up. But I am saying that at some point,
So what if if green Bay said this? So what
if green Bay did that? So what if if green
Bay wants to use a different quarterback or doesn't want
to bring in a receiver. So what Mike, go out
and do your job right? He saw, well, we saw

(43:37):
the numbers go back to a ridiculous form. He wins
the m v P right learning, learning curve of a
new offense and and understanding a new coach and all
of those things, goes out and puts up forty eight
touchdowns and your team is on look you want to
have There's so many issues, right, coaching decisions, the field goal,

(43:58):
we saw it mocked on Jeopardy, all of those things.
I mean, it's certainly there and recognizing there are a
hundred things at play. The other is it's at some
point to to your point is you're under contract, you
got one more year, you want to leave after next
have at it. Jordan Love may or may not be ready,
but from all reports, the teams also offered him ridiculous

(44:21):
contracts as well to try to make things right. Uh so,
we've got drama in Green Bay while we're also looking
over in Pittsburgh. They've got everything else, but will they
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(44:42):
listen live. Let's go our two of the program here
Fox Sports or Radio Mike Carmen alongside the all American
the King of the Mammals himself. It's our guy, LaVar Arrington,
our two on a Mother's Day. So Happy Mother's Day
to everybody out there, To all the nice moms, Happy

(45:04):
Mother's Day. Well you know we we all play. Get
to the main moms too, well, you know what, they
need some love to Everybody needs a little bit of
love and support because you know, there's always another day
to maybe be a better mom. Better, don't you don't
you know you could just be nicer, that's all not better.
You're you're super you know, super dope. Moms are super

(45:26):
dope moms. They come in all different shapes, size, and
you know, you know, packages and all that stuff. Some
are nicer than others. Some are sweet, some are mean,
some are super super just superman, and but they're still
good moms. They're just not nice. There should be a
nicer mom, that's all. Positivity is what we're trying to
be positive. So whatever whoever you are that helps fill

(45:50):
that role in in a young person's life, or even
you know, old folk like me, uh, thank you. You know,
mom's aunties, grandma's, grandpa us, uncles, like everybody. Everybody's got
their role Dad's you know, I know you've got another
day in June. But let's face it, those usually get
kind of blown out because now you're in summer mode

(46:10):
and and it gets lost in the translation and there's
not as much marketing there. Uh but you know it's
from when you get into the Hallmark and the dollars
and cents of it all. But either way, you're going
to cook a bacon laden breakfast going on, I will
probably end up eating beef sandwiches and hot dogs in
a parking lot with my kids as we normally do,

(46:32):
which is just fine by me. A couple of soccer
games on the pitch, uh, today a little slower action
for us on a Sunday morning. Normally it's a television
barrage here in the Fox Sports radio studios replete with
European soccer. But you know what those seasons are all ending,
So it's you know, kind of handwringing for me, going
what do I what do I watch? What do I

(46:54):
bring back up? So? I watched some more lights from uh, yeah,
Canelo Alvarez. We'll have das box yeah, and boxing highlights
and and getting ready for another day of Major League
Baseball and NBA action. Uh, certainly plenty of sports. And
wherever you are, I mean, take a look. See Minor
league Baseball's back as well as of this week. So

(47:15):
you know, find some tickets, get back out to the
ball yard, get some fresh air, and get some sunshine,
all of those things. Uh. And a guy looking for daylight,
trying to figure out the the long road here and
and certainly well the short of it. Kevin Colbert of
the Steelers quote none of us know, and he's relating
that to Ben Roethlisberger. Is this going to be the

(47:37):
final year? Ben Roethlisberger's career and physically not the same
guy that used to shake off would be tacklers right,
two three guys coming at him and be like when
you were playing with your kids when they're little, and
they're like, yeah, I'm gonna tackle you, and then they're
just hanging onto your leg as you walk forward and
everybody laughs and you move forward. Uh. Ben Roethlisberger used

(47:59):
to be that guy. He's not the guy anymore. And
certainly last year, Uh, the downfield passing game sputtered right
a lot, a lot of reliance on scheming and yak.
And that's not a terrible thing. Just it's the evolution
of a quarterback as they get older and the injuries
pile up and the ability to put the ball down

(48:20):
field with regularity kind of goes away. We talked about
it with Drew Brees this year, not that he took
a ton of deep shots, but certainly they were fewer
and further between. This year. We watched in New England
with Cam Newton that throwing motion is just odd. Uh,
and you know the question of whether he can get right.
But they still, even with all of their trials and tribulation,

(48:42):
got to us seven and nine season for the Steelers.
Roethlisberger comes back. You've got a lot of skill position
guys there, Juju Smith, Schuster's back, Clay Claypool became a
red zone monster. Deonte Johnson seemingly is the apple of
Ben Roethlisberger's I uh e Brons there, Friar Muth that
they bring in, uh Naji Harris uh now becomes your

(49:03):
lead running back and you you circle him as a
first round pick with James Conner gone, but the offensive
line missing Pouncey, right, so that's a big spot to replace.
Remember how emotional Roethlisberger was in their final throws together,
and some were wondering if he'd follow his his teammate,
longtime teammate out the door, but coming back for one

(49:26):
more run. What do you think he has left in
the tank? I don't know. We're gonna find out. And
and again, it's so funny because we picking, we have
to pick and choose, but we pick and choose the
guys we look at and wonder if they're gonna sputter.
And it's like Tom Brady is way older than cam

(49:48):
cam Newton. Tom Brady is older than Bim Roethlisberger. But
but just depending on where certain players are in their career,
it leads to the question of how to do they
have left? It's so crazy, how much does he have left?
It's it's impossible for anyone to know how much these
guys have left, how much Ben has left. Ben was

(50:12):
coming off of a serious injury. Heck so was Cam.
And then they come into a season it's a pandemic season,
and so there there are elements, and there are conditions
and circumstances and factors that played a part in anyone's
successes or shortcomings. And last season, now a winner is

(50:35):
going to be a winner. And it's kind of ironic
that the winner of winners won the Super Bowl in
the pandemic year. But with that being said, when I
look at guys like Ben Roethlisberger or even Cam Newton,
I say to myself, this will be the year that
you know, if they're trending, you know, as an older
quarterback that can do it in the league, or if

(50:56):
they're trending as a player that can't do it in
the league anymore in our hitting heading out of the game.
So right now, I'm not I'm not really when I
look at his contract, situation and how he took a
pay cut to stay with Pittsburgh. You know, for me,
I look at it as that's a smart move for
him to stay where he's at at this point in

(51:18):
his career and see if you can have success with
a team and a franchise that you're beloved and you'll
be a Hall of Famer and and and you have
you know, comfort, you have stability. So to me, I
don't look at him taking a pay cut as he
his skills have diminished so much that he has to

(51:40):
do whatever it takes to stay on the team. I
think this is a guy who knows at this point
he's made the money he's gonna make playing football, and
that at this point, if you're going to continue to play,
you can continue to play for the love of the
game and the love of the place of where you're playing,
and and and I think that that's what it comes

(52:01):
down to for Ben Roethlisberger. So I'm not really at
liberty to say that, you know, he doesn't have anything
left and we'll have to see what Dwayne Haskins does
or anybody else that that they decided to put in there.
If Ben can't do it, I just look at it
as this will be a tell tell year for for
Ben Roethlisberger at the quarterbacks position and for Cam at that. Yeah,

(52:26):
it's just funny with with Roethlisberger, the the eye test
didn't have it, but you look at the final numbers,
thirty three touchdowns, ten interceptions, passing yards record, But what if,
what if somebody were to tell you those those statistics,
statistical categories are skewed by the fact that they had

(52:46):
and and in that running attack. So once you saw
they they started off undefeated. But the more he had
to throw in, the less they knew they had to
play against the run, the harder it became for him
to be able to throw the ball. So the meltdown,
the fall off was not just Ben Roethlisberger's stat line,

(53:07):
It was the team's ability to win because other teams
figured out, all you gotta do is do this, We're
gonna stay and pass on. And if you know that that,
if you're in a past past um mindset, Mike, your
defensive front plays dramatically different than what they would if
they have to respect a legitimate run attack. So it

(53:33):
just we you know, if you know the game, we
all know that that alters your stability, it alters your
your your amount of time to throw the ball. It's
called pinning your ears back. Right. If you if you
don't have to worry about the run, It's like, oh,
we could stop the run with the guys up front
and pass rush at the same time. So now guys
are pinning their ears back and they're not worrying about

(53:56):
play action fakes. They're not worrying about if the running
back can get out of the back feel with the ball.
They're just worrying about making sure that Ben Roethlisberger can't
beat them with the past. So, adding Naja Davenport, um,
if this offensive line is able to Harris not, he's

(54:17):
famous for some other things. You can look that up
on your own time. People out of the you um anyway, Yeah,
not Naji Harris, my bad um no No, but that
brought folks a little glimpse into the way back machine,
wasn't he? Naja Davenport was in Pittsburgh, though I do
believe he didn't play there. Yeah, I think he did
play there anyways. Naji Harris, Uh, yeah, I think that that.

(54:41):
I mean knowing that they took him back that high.
Plexico was talking about the other week, like they're going
to take Naji Harris and they don't take running backs
at that that pick, So they don't take them that early,
and they're going to have to take a running back
because everything that happens in Pittsburgh is predicated off of

(55:03):
having a potent, legit running attack and a legit blitzing defense.
That's the DNA of Pittsburgh. One was missing. In fact,
if we want to go a step further, both were missing.
You lose, but dupre you lose Bush. You you lost
some serious key pieces to your defense last year as well.

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So this was a banged up team. And so to me,
I'm not going to pass a judgment on Ben just yet. Now.
If he looks like he's in quicksand this year, and
it looks like his awkward style of delivering the ball
isn't gonna work this year, well then that's when we
cross that bridge. Yeah, And going through the data, just uh,

(55:45):
I have one data point that was through the first
thirteen games that they played, he threw the ball twenty
downfield twenty yards or further, uh, fifty three times in
those first games and a lot to that. Also, you
know you're trying to uh pick up the big pass
interference calls as well, and and and work the the

(56:08):
officials as you can and set up other players. But yes,
the passing game started to make up for the run.
And I'm glad you circled back because I had the defense.
Uh as two guys. Look, when we were doing our
previews last fall, how often did we talk about Devin
Bush and the the beasts that the running, that those
guys were in the back seven. So, uh, look, we

(56:30):
got some breaking news starting to come down. This goes
back to last week. All I know is this, They're
not taking my money. But let's get an update for
ilo breaking news from Fox Sports. We have bizarre, breaking
news from horse racing and this is going on as
we speak. Legendary trainer Bob Baffort has just revealed the

(56:53):
Kentucky Derby winner, Medina Spirit, tested positive for a band
substance after winning the Kentucky Derby in a post race test. Now,
the reason we're just finding out about this now is
that the test takes several days to process. Medina Spirit
was found to have twenty one pico grams of a
substance called beta methadzone. The legal limit is ten pico grams,

(57:19):
and Bafford says that Medinas Spirit was never treated for
beta metha zone. So he said, it's a mystery why
Medina Spirit had it in his system. Now here's the
bottom line. Medina Spirit could wind up being disqualified from
the Kentucky Derby and having the victory taken away retroactively

(57:40):
by the Kentucky horse Race and Commission. That is still
pending further sample testing. And of course Medina's Spirit scheduled
to compete a week from now in the Preakness. But
this throws the Triple Crown into total chaos. And among
other things, Fellas and Michael just alluded to it. What
if you want money betting on Adena Spirit and what

(58:01):
if you lost money betting on the second place horse.
My understanding is they won't reverse it, but I suspect
in this age, we've seen in a number of times
where there have been some quote controversial endings that the
books have paid out. Now this would be a long
shot that was in the two hole. Uh so this

(58:21):
could be it would be a major payout, but too
encourage repeat business. We've seen some creativity with the books
going speaking well, it's money into their accounts, so let's uh,
you know, pay off because they'll bet it back. Speaking
of creativity, let's see if we can bring in beting
a spirit for a comment straight from the horse's mouth.

(58:44):
He didn't now do Mr Ed because Mr Ed spoke
words legend, no question about it. So yeah, it's a
quarter cortico steroid injected into the joints to reduce pain
and swelling. Uh. And it was a substance found in
uh one of Bafforge horse last year after the Kentucky Oaks,

(59:04):
which is the card the day before the Kentucky Derby.
We'll keep tracking this one as we go. Thanks Hilo.
We'll hear from Ilo in about a half hour's time
as we go off the rails at Isaac Low and
Crown where you find him on Twitter. I'm certainly curious
about this because it was a great story of a horse, uh,
you know, bought for a thousand dollars. You know, obviously
some issues for the owners that forced that sale, but

(59:28):
as you go through it became the lore. And now
for trying to market and merchandise and all that stuff.
LaVar when the triple Crown doesn't exist really uh in
in all of that speech. That's usually a negative. But
you know, folks are are thirsty for their live on
track action, so I don't know that it will take

(59:49):
away too much. But we'll follow this one as the
morning develops. Craziness. See, we did never a dull Sunday morning.
Last week about this time got our first reports that
people were storming the pitch overseas, so madness ensues. Apparently
they felt they needed more horsepower. Boom, there's a walkoff

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(01:01:06):
Plenty of stories going on. We'll keep following the horse
racing uh inquiry here of Medina's spirit and all the
fallout and class action lawsuits are already being threatened. LaVar,
We're already getting there and seeing some precedent, you'd be
a little bit salty. I think I will want my winnings. Well.

(01:01:27):
The curiosity though, that that comes out of this is
number one. Why is Baffort giving the press conference and
not somebody with an official title? That's curious to me? Right,
wouldn't you get in front of it? Oh at Lanta?
Wait up here, Isaac may actually have an answer for me.
Hihilo hi. The governing body involved is called the Kentucky

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Horse Racing Commission, and basically the tests take a long
time to process. The test was administered after the race,
but the results take nearly a week to process. So
the rumors actually started spreading last night. So the Kentucky
Horse Racing Commission hasn't said anything publicly and made any announcement.

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So Bafford broke the news on his own this morning
at the track, accompanied by his attorney. By the way,
and what we could basically see as in order for
the horse to be disqualified Medina spirit, an additional sample
would have to be confirmed as a positive for the
band substance. So that might be why the Kentucky Horse

(01:02:29):
Racing Commission has not made an official announcement yet. My
question is if you're paying out that money the way
that you gotta pay off that money knowing that you're
gonna have to do it once somebody wins the race,
So so how would that How would that happen? Like
when Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis right and and it

(01:02:52):
came back that he had tested positive. How do you
handle the bets? I just think the bets are because
you're not you're going back into people's accounts because most
people have already withdrawn those and most of them, uh
well a lot of them are anonymous folks that either
bet track side. I guess you can go into their
online accounts, but I don't know that that's a precedent

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you want to get into. I I feel like that
puts a bookie in in danger. Well there there's that's
a whole other because to me, if I'm I mean,
this is just I'm not a gambler that way. But
if I had somebody keeping the books and they're like,
you know, we need the money, da da data, that's
done and the other In the minute I hear this,
I'm calling the bookie like I need my money. No,

(01:03:35):
But that's just it. It pays out, you know, as
soon as the results were official, that's it, right, money
got credited to your online accounts. If you're you're wagering
and going through the paramutual wagering online, if you were
track side, you can get back in line and walk
off with your your cash for your wins, your quinnilla,
your trifecta, whatever else. Immediately. See, if I'm the winner,

(01:03:57):
I'm happy as hell. If I'm the user, I'm mad
as hell. Well, no, that that becomes the curiosity of
one of the remedies. You're not going to take the
bets back, you know, but do you but you know
what I mean? Like like think about that, Like is
it enough to just say, well, the bets are in,

(01:04:17):
the bets were turned in, The bets were you know,
solidified that adapt but if you if you lost when
you really should have won, there's just something that doesn't
seem right about that. Well, now we get into the legality,
we'll see about the second test. As Ilo alluded to, Uh,
I'd still think if I'm the commission, I want it

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coming from my mouth of what's going on, and not
the trainer in question. I think the optics of that
are just foolish. Whatever whatever your reason for hiding, but
I think that's the reality. That's the reality. I think
for the trainer to get out there and say it
and kind of downplay it the way that that he did, um,

(01:04:58):
I think that's pretty smart. No smart on their behalf, absolutely,
But just the commission opening up the door to allow
that to happen, it seems like you get in front
of it. That's that's just me. Uh, It's it's you know,
ownership of all of these things. I mean a lot
of times big bodies wait for all of the information
to come in. But you know, if you felt as

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though it was significant enough where you needed to get
out in front of it, I get it. What was
this significant enough with the size and scope of this
race and what the Kentucky Derby means yeah, but what
if the next test comes out and it's negative. Well,
but you're gonna have to answer to that anyway, So

(01:05:42):
why not at least say, hey, there's an inquiry, but
this is the first test. If if it comes out
that the test was inaccurate, and after due process takes place,
I would assume if if it comes back that the
horse was fine and it's not a disqualifiable offense, then

(01:06:04):
you move on from it. No, you're gonna have a
whole other set of questions that you're gonna have to
answer as a commission because what happened? What in the
handling of a test? How did you get something where
it's point to one against a point one threshold? As
a commission, you're still gonna have to answer that on
the back end. You can't just says our fault, our

(01:06:25):
bad clap your hands and move on. That's not That's not.
All I would say is whatever the due processes is
going to be the due process. So they'll have that
answer in the due process. Like just listen, just thinking
back to some of the things that I've watched take
place in you know, just legal situations and sport it's

(01:06:47):
it's going to be due process. Like I give you
a great example, the whole Deshaun Watson thing, like whether
people want to give us a credit or not, we
are the only outlet and and up on Game was
is the only show thus far that has gotten a
quote a reaction of some sort from a ranking official

(01:07:11):
at the National Football League. They don't see they don't
see it fit to address it until the due process
of it runs through. So if at any point in time,
there are questions like what you're saying, any type of
questions where it's like, well, how do you go from
twenty one to this, like one is way more than

(01:07:32):
than to two points something or whatever. The difference between
the amount of what's legal and not legal and that horse,
I mean, the amount of women that came out against
Deshaun is a whole lot larger of a number, And
you still don't hear the commissioner or the league really
addressing it. Well, the only thing that they can do

(01:07:52):
is a we're aware of these and we're monitoring and
we'll render a decision in do time. But at the
commission that they haven't that That's what I'm saying. So
so I'm just giving trying to give an example of
they're going to wait for the due process to take place.
So whatever the whatever the findings is, because the Commission
isn't going to have like they're not the ones that

(01:08:14):
are going to do the investigation to have the names
and numbers and all that stuff. They're gonna wait for it.
So once they get it and it's like here's the report,
here's the people that are educated that are doing it,
then they'll they'll present the information to the public. That's
what I would assume is the proper the proper protocol
that they've come up with. Yeah, it just seems to

(01:08:35):
me if you're the Commission, there's an opportunity to educate
people on what the process of this is and you
doing that in retroactively. But do they really care? Are
they going to do it retroactively? I don't think no.
But that's just it. It may just be a blanket
statement and move on. But you know, when it comes
off the biggest race of your year, your Super Bowl

(01:08:55):
as it were, I think a bit of ownership is
in order. Like the Deshaun Watson's uh, I think a
different matter one because you don't have to act right
now right, there's nothing pressing in terms of games. Disagree
with that, but I understand where you're coming fight. But
in all serious it's like like if a team wanted
to trade for them, they still could have right like

(01:09:18):
buy or beware, right of what maybe on the other side.
As more facts come to light and this comes to
a resolution, but he didn't stop the process. Big decision
making bodies will want to wait to to to address
so that they don't have to keep coming back to address,
whether it be inaccuracies that they came up with because

(01:09:41):
it wasn't completely done or whatever it may be. And
I don't know. I guess if you tomato or potato,
if you like it either one way or together, I don't.
I don't know. Um do you address it before do
you wait until after? I don't know if one is
better than the other. And this scenario, it's like do
you justify one over together? Yeah? And I think in

(01:10:04):
some ways just waiting until it's done is especially like
if it comes out the other way right and it's found, Hey,
this was an error and testing on our part. Uh,
it raises more questions about transparency. That's all I'm trying
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please just let us go home. We we just want
to see people. We'll get into that momentarily, but first

(01:10:46):
it's Ilo. He's he may have some updates on this story,
my islan Var. We're about to hear the first words
from Bob Bafford himself. That's coming up in just moments,
all related to the major news that is breaking right now.
Bob Backford, the legendary horse racing trainer, revealing this morning
the Kentucky Derby winner, Medina Spirit, tested positive for a

(01:11:08):
band substance in post race testing last week and Medino
Spirit YEP could be retroactively disqualified pending further testing. I'll
say Medina Spirit found to have twenty one pico grams
of beta methisone. The legal limit is ten grams, so
Medinas Spirit could be retroactively disqualified as the Kentucky Derby

(01:11:33):
winner by the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission pending further sample testing.
Now you're about to hear from Bob Bafford himself. There's
just moments ago at Churchill Downs speaking with reporters. This
audio courtesy of a horse racing website called the Pollock Report,
and he starts by describing how he found out about

(01:11:54):
the positive test from his assistant yesterday. These are the
words of Bob Bafford, the trainer of Medina Spirit. Your
day I was. I got a call from Jimmy Barnes
and head to the airport and uh, I got some
horrible news. He said, he had some horrible news for
me that he had just been been served by the
Kentucky Race Commission that Medina Spirit, our Derby horse, had

(01:12:19):
been UH tested positive for twenty one peeko grams of
beta methodzone. And all I can tell you is that
um beta method zone, even though it's an allowed drug
therapeutic medication, UH, we did not give it. I my

(01:12:41):
veterinarian nobody here. That matter of fact, Medina Spirit has
never been treated with beta metho zone, so I cannot
believe that I'm here. Um before you guys, I've never
thought i'd be here. Um, yesterday I got the biggest
gut punch racing for something that I didn't do. Again

(01:13:06):
those the words of Bob Bafford just moments ago at
Churchill Downs. One footnote, it's something like this has only
happened once before in Kentucky Derby history. The original winner,
Dancers Image tested positive for a band substance after the
race was subsequently disqualified in the second place horse Forward
Pass one the Kentucky Derby. So that's where we are

(01:13:27):
on this developing story here, Michael and LaVar back to you.
How about that horse not officially d QT until the
split sample result comes in. Isaac Lowankron on the update
desk at Isaac Low and Crown. We'll hear from him
going off the rails in about ten minutes from now.
Thanks Ilo, Uh, just so much curiosity rolling through there.
My Carmen LaVar Arrington with you here. It's Fox Sports Sunday.

(01:13:50):
We're chaos ensues seemingly on a weekly basis, live in
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about walking the dog, having a cup of coffee, Uh,
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(01:14:11):
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And we appreciate your participation uh and being part of
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(01:14:32):
been playing in Tampa this whole time throughout the season.
So whenever there's been at least a little whisper of
why did they why has it gone so poorly? Well,
a number of injuries and protocols and all of those
kind of things. But twenty seven and forty the record
on the year, you look at what was a stocked roster,

(01:14:53):
So it seemed in these last couple of years obviously
the title victory Siaka meant growing into his own is
averaging one a game. Van Vleete at nineteen six, Norman
Powell at nineteen six, and Kyle Lowry still at seventeen two,
you've got eight guys averaging double figures, but they don't
play lick defense. Uh. And it's been a tough road

(01:15:15):
staying in Tampa. Right, everybody else has gotten to go home,
whether they were playing in front of fans or not.
And with Portland having a small home crowd on Friday night,
we've now got every team at least has some fan
representation within the arenas. Yet the Raptors are playing in
Tampa and the product has been lackluster at best, to

(01:15:37):
the point where the people of Tampa are booing them
in home games. That's how bad it's gotten. So as
much as we always talk about all right, uh, and
they do it on inside the NBA on t n
T of hey gone fishing. Once we get to the playoffs,
this is a team that's ready to actually just go
do that. Ah man. What a tough slog. Yeah man,

(01:16:00):
I mean, listen, when I'm looking at the NBA right
now and and and looking at how it's it's kind
of unfolding heading into the whole playoffs thing. I think
it's exciting because you can look at the teams that
are good and and are surging in the right right direction,

(01:16:21):
trending in the right direction, even if they're not, you know,
the top team, um that is out there. And I
think it's going to be a competitive playoff, Mike, I
really think I do. I think this is gonna be
a super cool playoff because to me, it's like we
think we have it figured out on the East, and

(01:16:43):
we love to put the quotation mark if quotation mark
on the West. And so it's kind of like when
you're looking at the ifs and and all of those
things connected to the West, Like I look at the
West and I'm like, you know, nobody wants to respect Utah, Utah, Utah.
Bruce Hard makes fun of me all the time because

(01:17:06):
I championed Utah, and it's like, all right, well, Utah
is the first team the fifty wins. Utah has been
number one for much of of the season from what
I could gather, um, and and then you look at Okay,
no team can stand up to the Lake the Lakers.

(01:17:26):
If right, then we look at the you know, then
you look at the um you know what's the other No, No,
the l A, the Clippers, the Clippers, well no, and
and the Clippers are one that I wanted to bring
up because you got the like when we get to
the West, the Clippers and the East, we'll talk about

(01:17:47):
them a little bit more next hour. The Bucks are
just kind of playing quietly, and I think part of
it is that people have seen they're surging quietly, you know, uh,
Joannice is surge gen quietly? Did you say Milwaukee? Or
who did you Milwaukee? But like, they're there teams that
are right. We've seen them, We've seen them get to

(01:18:07):
the playoffs, and we've seen them fail. So I think
we're not talking about them because it's like, all right,
we hyped them in the past and they let us down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think I'm pretty certain. That's all I know is
is that whoever you want to hype this year, you can.
But I just don't know that we have any idea,
Like you could say, oh, well, you know, Brooklyn just

(01:18:30):
snapped there. They're losing streak and this could be it,
this could be the start of it. You don't know.
You know, there's a lot of question marks surrounding what
Brooklyn will be able to do under the circumstances. Then
you look at the Sixers, you don't know what what
they may or may not do the Celtics. You don't know.

(01:18:50):
You know you you mentioned Toronto, you know, or or
the Blazers or or the Nuggets. You just don't East West,
you don't know. You just don't. That's good for businessess,
Well think about your Utah Jazz. Donovan Mitchell hasn't been
on the court since six of April. About that. Uh,

(01:19:10):
last note, I want to just give you this number
based on Isaac's reporting and what we have from the
Kentucky Derby. Well, we're talking about the Pico grams. Uh.
It's one to the negative twelve power so one with
twelve zeros after it. That's how many pico grams are
in a gram. Just to show you how small we're talking, uh,

(01:19:31):
in terms of positive positivity here all right, Mike Harmon,
LaVar Arrington with you. It's Fox Sports Sunday. Appreciate you
being alongside us at King of the Mammals on Instagram.
Find me over at Swollen Dome. Coming up next, we're
gonna go off the rails with Ilo and as appropriate.
I just have a big blank space because I have
no idea what he's gonna say. We'll find out next.

(01:19:53):
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(01:20:15):
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of the Detroit Lions. Along the way. We got our
executive producer, Vince Close, who's all things d C Sports,
maybe DC comics too. I'm not sure which way he
goes in the Marvel DC debate, but I do know this, LaVar.

(01:20:35):
We've got Isaac Loencron, who has a story and he's
warming up in the bullpen, and I have no idea
where it's gonna go. We all do. Double Takes its
curious headlines, but it takes a keen eye to make
sense of them. Here's our man reporting on the theater
of the absurd. It's Isaac Loenkron, and this is Off

(01:20:58):
the Rails, Off the Rails today. It's graduation season, Michael
and LaVar. Throughout the land, and especially with the three
of us devoting our life's work to broadcasting. We have
an education. Absolutely, yes, we have a well, at least

(01:21:18):
you and Lavard. I don't know about myself. You know,
we have a healthy trepidation and respect for public speaking
and realize that when you're speaking in front of a
live microphone, mistakes, missteps, malapropisms, they happen to even the

(01:21:38):
best of us. They happen to the best of us,
except for Vince Scully. By the way, we take you
now to Friday evening, and we take you to Williams
Bryce Stadium, the home of the South Carolina Game, Cox
of college football, and a commencement ceremony for this School

(01:22:00):
of Business, the School of Public Health, and the School
of Music. So universities they have a big old graduation
for everybody, and then each individual school with their major,
they have these satellite graduations. So the speaker is none
of the Then the president of the University of South Carolina,
Robert Castlan, and he's up there on the podium and

(01:22:22):
he refers to the university that he is, you know,
the president of and has been for a couple of years,
not as the University of South Carolina, but as the
University of California. So we're gonna play this audio. And
the great part about this audio is it was taken
by someone on a video from the audience, so you

(01:22:45):
can hear him call the university that he's the president
of the University of California, and then you can hear
the reactions live by the fans and the audience who
absolutely cannot believe what they're listening to. Here, myronulations of California,

(01:23:06):
congratulations completely, and then instead of correcting it as the
University of South Carolina, he just says, up Carolina. I
mean there's a South Carolina, North Carolina, Clemson a duke,
and NC state, South Carolina State. It's not just Carolina.

(01:23:30):
So there's a little there's a little bit of a
further backstory to this. This university president is actually not
very popular. He wasn't even popular to begin with at
the university going into this, and it's actually created quite
a firestorm there as an embarrassment to the university, all
the alumni or embarrassed. His spokesperson said, and I quote

(01:23:52):
the president speaks at fifteen separate ceremonies all across the
state during spring commencement season. It's a joyous time our graduates.
The president apologizes for accidentally saying California instead of Carolina
at the end of last night's ceremony and regrets any
attention it may have drawn from the accomplishments of our graduates. Unquote.

(01:24:14):
Like I said, you know, the three of us know
how difficult this business is. I make it seem more
difficult than others, and we know that mistakes happen. But
it's quite a quite a difference to go from the
University of South Carolina to the University of California, especially
when you've been in that job for a couple of years.
I'm just saying, well, I went through his CV. He

(01:24:38):
was the superintendent president at West Point and he retired
from the Army in eighteen was a senior counsel at
to the president at Central Florida and interim chief financial officer.
Uh So, nothing in his CV to get him back
to California. So I kind of dig this though. Make

(01:25:00):
sure you're paying attention to your your speakers, and thankfully
you and Lavarre your university presidents. That graduation didn't say
congratulations new graduates from Michigan or something like that. I
dropped out of school. My kids don't don't believe I
have a diploma. They think I printed it. Off the
Internet and they gave me one. Anyway, there you go,

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(01:25:42):
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tasty stories out there. Got this developing Kentucky Derby uh

(01:26:08):
controversy uh. And a positive test for a steroid that
needs to be investigated in another sample taken. People are
trying to get me to commit to knowing a percent
what happens with lost bets. I don't know. I don't
know because as of now, the horse m Medina spirit
has not yet been disqualified. So it's jumping you know that.

(01:26:32):
Next turtle and something Eventually that will need to be addressed,
but for the moment, just hang tight and enjoy your
mother's day. Yeah, man, listen, there's gonna be questions that
persist about that bet. I mean, that's just that's it.
That's just I think that that's like something you want
to know. You want to have an answer to it,
because I mean, I think if you're on the winning

(01:26:56):
side of it, where it's like I bet on this
horse and I won, Yeah, you ain't to in my bag,
LaVar ain't taking it. But if you took my money
and I actually bet on the right horse, like, that's
not my that's not my fault. If if the the
drug testing doesn't come out until X amount of days

(01:27:17):
after the race, it's I bet on the horse that
I felt would win, and if that horse was going
to win and and it didn't win because of cheating,
then technically there should be some type of action in
favor of me betting correctly and choosing correctly. Yeah, it'll

(01:27:40):
be a curiosity to see. Uh. I think from the
online side of things. Uh. Talking with our executive producer,
Vince uh just you know, you might do a little
bit of a make good because we've certainly seen that
in some scenarios where it's like, oh, this ending was controversial,
so here's what we're gonna do, and they credit your
account or something to that level. If in why we
get there, maybe that's the case. Either way, you're talking

(01:28:02):
about a lot of bets that was a long shot
in the that finished second. Uh So the exposure there
is big. You're also changing the daily doubles and and
all of those things. But no, h if you have
the victory, I can I can pretty much guarantee you
they're not taking your money back at this point because
I'm sure, Look, you're gonna look at precedent in boxing,

(01:28:23):
in the UFC and other combat sports. I mean, we
certainly had this right where drug tests come back days later.
Or if you you brought up the Olympics, which I
think is pretty cool degeneracy of betting the Olympics. Good
for you. I dig that. Hey, anything that's a competition,
even if a couple of guys are shooting dice on

(01:28:44):
the corner, it becomes an event, right that Carl Lewis, Oh,
there's no question, There's no question about it. But back
back then, I think you had to go find the
guy that was hanging out in the back of the bar.
We didn't have all the online mechanics you do. Now
you're either in the vata or you're in the back room.
Totally agree. I just I don't know, Mike. I just

(01:29:07):
think that that's one of those those sticky wikies of
of a situation. But you should have you should have
there should be protocols, easy protocols in place that you
know how to handle those those situations. I mean, I'm
sure it's happened before. I'm just curious as to what
the explanation is, because I would want explanation and I

(01:29:29):
would want to be paid. Like if I if I
bet the horse, I don't know what the odds are
that was on the horse that should have won. But
if this horse gets hot disqualified and the horse that
should have won that was in second place, which can
I take it a step further? Keep going? How about this, Mike,

(01:29:51):
How about if the race itself was ran differently because
of the amount of drugs that was in the horse
that one and it changed the pace of the race. Now,
if I bet on the third horse, or if I
bet on the fourth horse, maybe that horse wins. If
they don't have to go out as fast or if

(01:30:13):
they ran a different race, I can can I to me,
I can honestly sit here and say to myself, being
a former athlete, that would bro if I ran against
somebody in the two hundred meters like the hundred meters,
I don't care. But if I ran again somebody I
used to run the two hundred, if I ran to
get somebody into two hundred meters, I am using my kick.

(01:30:36):
I'm not using my start mike. So, knowing how I
used to run, I might be sitting there. I've come
in fifth or sixth place, knowing that if I could
have ran my race the way I wanted to run
my race, I might have won the race. Right, So
when I came out a couple of times and some invitationals,

(01:30:59):
and the lead do and this is the funniest thing, right,
the dude pushed the pace, and he pushed it very
fast and very quick, and I didn't want to lose pace,
so I I went faster than what I should have.
This dude dies out right. He forced the pace, but
he died out. In the end. I didn't trust it

(01:31:21):
enough to just run my race. I went out a
little faster too, because I didn't want him to be
too far away if he had a kick. So if
I'm looking at the horse race, and I'm saying, if
I'm looking at it from the same perspective, I might
feel as though the horse that came in fifth or
sixth place could have possibly ran and ran a better

(01:31:42):
race and won the race. Maybe it doesn't win the race.
Maybe I bet on the horse. You know, you do
that three horses there you go, right, you know a
super factor where you're trying to you messed up. Basically,
if you get popped for drugs and you wanted to ray,
you messed up the race you have, you messed up
everybody's You messed up everybody. It's not just who won

(01:32:06):
the race that you messed up. You messed up everybody
because it would throw off the you know a lot
of different ways of looking at how the race would
would have finished. So I think it's a bigger conversation.
But that's just me thinking out loud. Yeah, for folks unaware,
and maybe you missed ILOs update or didn't quite get
the full of it. Uh. Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit

(01:32:29):
failed a post race drug test. UH and it found
to have twenty one pco grams, which we found was
one to the negative twelve power, so one with twelve zeros. Yeah,
that's a it's a really small number, but twenty one
pico grams of the steroid beta metha zone UH, double
the legal threshold in Kentucky racing. So this also was

(01:32:52):
in the system of a Baffort trained horse finishing third
in the Kentucky Oaks last September. Bafford denied the wrong doing.
You heard clips of the press conference that he's given.
As of now, the Kentucky Commission has not come forward
with any statement on this. There will be another test done,
UH seeing to test the veracity of this, and but

(01:33:15):
as of now it's it's all just what Baffort has
given us and saying that the horse had been never
been treated with this and his trainer doesn't. UH. Again,
the UH precedent of another horse of his having this
in the system has people raising their arms and and
and we'll have a big discussion. But to your point,

(01:33:37):
it would change potentially a lot of things, UH and
payouts right the UH. The second horse in the Kentucky
Derby went off at one that's Mandaloon hot Rod Charlie
one of the favorites at five to one, essential quality,
five to two finished fourth and Ohbasos, remember to get mom,

(01:34:01):
grandma hug and a kiss, maybe an auntie, um, you know,
maybe take one for yourself for the work you do
with your kids on a Mother's Day. But uh, seventh
Kentucky Derby win for Bob Baffort. So a lot and
you know the history of it all all week long
in the tail of this horse and its rise, uh,
making for a great storyline for the rest of the

(01:34:21):
Triple Crown series. And now on a Sunday morning, a
lot of handwringing and all right, what happens next? So yeah,
if you have your tickets, I hope you kept them
and didn't throw them out. If you had physical tickets
that you bought got at the local betting parlor or
if you were at Churchill Downs online, well they know
your history, uh, and you know that very well based

(01:34:43):
on the ads that are served. They know where you've been.
But when it comes down to the wagering effect, we'll
see how this plays out, what that second test returns,
and then see the fallout from there. But to your point, yes,
the race would have run differently. Why because Uh, this
guy ran wire to wire, so it's it's a different
race altogether. Very curious. So he led the entire time,

(01:35:09):
So I mean, come on, you gotta like And that's
what I just said, right Like, I didn't see the race,
but I mean think about it if you let like
if in my mind, I'm sitting there and I'm running,
I'm like, man, I gotta keep up with this dude,
because I don't know if I could, if if he's
got a kick or not. So if if he led
the entire race, somebody might be sitting there like, man,

(01:35:31):
I gotta stay close because I don't know if I
can OutKick this horse. Oh mean, so I don't know, man,
And because it opens up and just so so many
other things splint her office. So yeah, so this you know,
my my brother's follow this U more closely. I'm I'm
the fringe guy in the group. Uh, I'm not even friends.

(01:35:53):
I'm just I'm just talking about it. I face value,
So I wouldn't I would love to hear what your
brother's feedback is. Well, the expectation, UH is based on precedent.
Bets never get corrected at this point, they haven't, But
I do have something that hold on. I did find
something that um was posted in the Twitter verse was

(01:36:16):
the link to an article of a guy who did
take a lawsuit over a doping scandal in a race
and was awarded some twenty dollars of a payout. So
what my brother advised also could be a class action
suit by those that lost against Baffort, his stables, etcetera.

(01:36:38):
What I was gonna ask is is that policy written down,
like you know, you have all these rules. You gotta
have these rules and and and guidelines or whatever to betting.
So I would wonder if because this probably has happened
obviously you're stating one one situation in particular is listen,

(01:36:59):
there are certain elements like that's like you could almost
say in the betting world, if you're covering the bet,
that's like an act of God, you know, in a
in a sense, because they didn't have anything to do
with the doping of the horse or the athlete or
whatever happened. So in a in a in a way,
the outcome was altered based upon somebody's actions that you

(01:37:24):
had nothing to do with, which, in a way is
like an act of God almost Like I mean, people
might be sitting there like a tree falling or lightning
or you know, volcano erupting or earthquake. That's an act
of God, not somebody doping a horse. But if you
really take a step back and really think about it
from the betters, from the people who are covering the

(01:37:47):
bet that really is truly like I mean, we're from God.
I mean it's if you're like subscribed to the whole
act of God thing. Right, So if you didn't have
anything to do with it, you had no way of knowing.
So it has to be considered an act of guy, right,
or is there another way to Is there another way

(01:38:08):
to categorize it? Because I don't know if I'm covering bets,
I'm sitting there saying I did not know that they
were going to dope the horse. Yeah, no, you have
no knowledge, and you declared the results official, like what's
the statute of limitations? Like in five years from now,
Baffort retires and writes a book saying I got over
on all of you. And for those that are just

(01:38:31):
tuning in, that's not what's happening here, but just theoretically,
or you know, a guy plays against you and your
tenure in in the NFL. A guy you had particular
problems with that was an offensive lineman. And then he
retires and says, you know, I was juiced the whole time.
No one's going, sure, I've I've dealt with that, but
you know what I'm saying, Like, nobody's going back and saying,
you know what, you owe us money because you you

(01:38:52):
perpetrated a fraud and you know what, for what it's worth.
I wouldn't want anything back from it anyway, Like you
have to live with that. No, but that, but that's it, right,
So the race is official. And then if you find
out a week later, six months later, whenever else something
comes to bear, like what what's what's your statute here?
But aspetition? But but hit to hit direct competition is

(01:39:16):
one thing. If I'm betting on it, I'm betting on
something that I you know, whether it was for fun,
whether it was based off of of understanding of what
I'm betting on, it doesn't even matter, right If I
placed a bet and my bet was messed up because
of cheating or something something like that, I just think

(01:39:39):
I feel differently than if it was hit to hit
competition and somebody was cheating. See that. That's where we
now get as we do in America as you drive
the four oh five or I five here the highway,
wherever you are, if it's not for hair restoration or
some other part of your you know, human nature being augmented. Hello,

(01:40:00):
worked live from Los Angeles. Uh, there's probably a billboard
staring you in the face from a lawyer. So there
are plenty of them out there that would love to
sink their teeth into this, and they may just very
much do that for you. But as of now, that's it.
And if you try coming from my bag, expect to fight.
That's all I can say. He's Lavarton on my car.
But this is Fox Sports Sunday. Uh, this will become

(01:40:23):
the story of the day. I suspect as we flow. Uh.
Coming up next, we're gonna talk about the NFL p
A on a conference call. There was a visit by
a very special player. What were his motivations? Let's talk
about that next on Fox you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hey,

(01:40:43):
welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. It's Fox Sports Sunday.
Efforting to find one of our Vegas experts, raising our
hand to say all right, come in and explain some
of this for me. Explain it to me like I'm
a five year old for the gambling part, because everybody's
suddenly got itchy fingers, and seemingly everybody has now uh

(01:41:04):
holding a bet or may have had a bet on
the second place horse from the Kentucky Derby, LaVar, there's
a reason he was to one people. You all couldn't
have bet him anyway. I'll just leave it there for
the moment, but uh, certainly if it raises the stakes
for others, Hey, it's it's a fun thing. But we'll
we'll see about the particulars they're Just know that lawsuits

(01:41:28):
have been filed in the past and and maybe there
will be again. So that's a developing story out of
the Kentucky Derby from last week. Mike Carmen alongside LaVar
Arrington having fun with you here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's get back into the world of the National Football
League and and obviously a lot of fighting LaVar about
offseason workouts in the post COVID world, about attending not attending,

(01:41:52):
can you force folks in and those type of situations. Now,
we had the unfortunate occurrence for Juwan James of the
Denver Broncos achilles injury training away from team facility, which
unless you're under the guidance of your strength and conditioning coach,

(01:42:14):
right now you're out. You're outside of the the the game,
you're outside of the business, and now you're ten million
isn't covered, right, So uh. The NFL p A had
a call with their membership on Friday, and Tom Brady
dialed up and told players to quote have a very

(01:42:34):
intense negotiation with their teams about modifying off season work
quote overly competitive drills in the off season, and that
last year showed there's a better way to prepare no
blank in pro baseball player that's throwing ninety in mid December,
Brady said, And we know he'd missed voluntary workouts the

(01:42:55):
final couple of years of the Patriots, and again it
was a well oiled machine. He'd earned it, and you
could argue that it was probably better to get other
people reps. Owing back to a conversation we had a
bit earlier in terms of what you have on your
roster behind a star Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, etcetera. For
the Whole Show podcast will be up an hour and

(01:43:15):
a half or so from now on Apple Podcast, Google Play,
wherever you get your audio. Go to Fox Sports Weekends
look for Fox Sports Sunday Arrington in Harmon or up
on game with t J. Houshman Zada, Blacks, Go Burris
and our our body here LaVar Arrington. Yesterday you had
Michael Parsons on talking about the arrival to Dallas and

(01:43:37):
the King's welcome that he got there. Uh so had
that conversation, amongst other things, a lot of fun and
a lot of ifs and butts about the Lakers from
t J. As I recall a lot of we talk
from t J that got a little that got a
little weird. But hey, you know, fandom knows no balance,
even those that you know lined up that's to Now,

(01:44:05):
that's what gets us into sports and certainly into sports
media's And when anybody says I'm not a fan of
any team, they're a liar. They may just not disclose
so publicly. Uh, there's a reason you got into sports
media unless it was literally just a this is this
is what I decided I wanted to be good at
and I wanted to go make some money because I'm
sure there's a few of those guys, just like there
isn't every profession of all right, I just quote happened

(01:44:27):
to be good at it. Now for this, it's interesting
for me that Brady's on the call making this push
for a couple of reasons. His circumstances in New England
were unique, right again, the longevity, same coach, same player,
front office, not a lot of turnover, right and and
you've got a pretty well oiled machine. So it's just hey,

(01:44:49):
when you're ready to plug back in, you plug back in,
make sure you're right, body, mind, spirit, all that, and
away you go. Most teams are not to that level,
right between coaching changes, coordinary changes, position coach changes and
just your player personnel. But maybe it wasn't on that
level in New England, Mike. Maybe that's the point of

(01:45:09):
why Tom Brady was speaking out on it. Well, see
I am Another theory here is that if you want
a competitive advantage at age forty three, you can raise
the hand and tell everybody not to go to work
and go work out on your own and go work
out in little pods elsewhere and just say well it worked, no, no,

(01:45:31):
it worked for you, guys. And remember Tom Brady was
the guy trying to meet up with everybody at the park.
Tom Brady was the guy going to Byron left which
his house to get his playbook when he was supposed
to be at home, right, all of those things. So
he and we have no idea how much he worked
out with his receivers. But normally with that kind of offseason,
no matter how brilliant you are, and even if you

(01:45:52):
are the goat, you would have expected some more hiccups
along the way. And it doesn't mean that they didn't
have some of that. Famously the Bears game and forget
in what down it was and things of that nature,
But that's not from offseason workouts. That's just you know,
having a moment that suddenly was just not in line
with your other other efforts. But for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

(01:46:15):
right they bring back all twenty two, they're a team
that's ready to go. Uh So you can argue to
some degree everybody at least has the same thrust and
has coming off a Super Bowl win that perhaps not
getting all together, they're not going to be impacted as much.
So I think this is, you know, as much as
this is a raw RAI union thing. This is also

(01:46:37):
a yeah, you guys keep worried about that because we're
we're doing okay here in Tampa. Yeah. I think I
think when it comes down to Union type of things,
maybe right now more so than any other time in
the history that I can think of, is it's more
sensible to have the conversation just based off of still

(01:46:58):
pressing how issues that that need to be resolved, um,
but overall overarching idea of how the Union handles things
from my perspective, is all about gaining more and more
options or gaining more and more leverage and and meaning

(01:47:20):
in this circumstance for somebody like Tom Brady to say,
you know, you can work out where you need to
work out and it doesn't have to necessarily be monitored
or guided by the franchise and the scheduling and the structure.
I would say there have always been those players, whether

(01:47:40):
young or old, that have not wanted to do off
seasons with the with the team, and and and it
really just comes down to a few guys that really
just want to have the freedom to say I'm going
to be at my beach house in Fort Lauderdale. I'm
I'm gonna be traveling and I'll work out wherever it

(01:48:02):
is that I'm going to be traveling. I don't even
think it's necessarily even with Tom Brady, I don't think
it's necessarily based off of age per se. Like I'm
old as hell, I don't want to do this data dat.
I can get in shape the way I get in shape,
and I'll figure it out. I just think that people
have lives, and if you figured out a a schedule

(01:48:24):
that works, that that fits into what your contribution is
to the team, then they don't want to be managed
or or governed or forced beyond what it is that
they're doing. If I can work out, and I just
did a run around the Eiffel Tower, but I was
supposed to be at team team workouts and official workouts,

(01:48:48):
you know, where my my team is. You know, some
people look at it as there was more value in
running around the Eiffel Tower, you know, rather than you know,
I wanted to hike, uh, you know, to see the
Mount rushmore, you know, but I saw more value in
that than I did being you know, at the facility
this day. But again, I think it comes back to

(01:49:11):
the idea of having options and not being you know, mandatorially, um,
you know, committed to having to be at at the
facility at certain times during the off season. Yeah. I
think it comes back to a question of any profession,
right Obviously the last year you can hang a star
on a bunch of it, because if you had, you

(01:49:32):
had to make changes out of necessity. But what do
we always know rules for star players? And now it's
just maybe making it a lowercased s uh in that regard.
But you know there's guys that, certainly as you go
from the collegiate to the pro ranks, takes some time
to find their sea legs right. And then it's a
question of you know, within an individual team, and how

(01:49:55):
do you put it into a C B A as
to you know, what's earned or do you just say,
all right, it's it's all bets are off and optional
and and everything means optional. And those roster bonuses and
everything else you know and workout bonuses get get shuffled
out of out of contracts and stuff, or they don't.
They don't get shuffled out, they just become more meaningful.

(01:50:17):
Like it's funny, Like I'll give you a great story.
When I first came into the league, I didn't even
really understand it all like that with the workout bonuses
were I didn't even understand it like that, Mike. So
I was I was actually in town and was working
out with the team, but I missed. I missed enough

(01:50:40):
workouts to not get the bonuses. But I'm there, I'm
not on vacation, I'm not working out somewhere else. I'm
working out there. I just didn't work out there over
nine of the time. They might have been like eight, five,
seventy nine, seventy eight, but it wasn't nine percent, right,

(01:51:04):
So it's like, man, well, what's you can't miss too
many for? Just look at it that way. So so
once I got a little older, Mike, like, I got
to that second third contract and I'm looking at like, man,
like that's four hundred thousand. I'm looking at my first contract.

(01:51:25):
I'm like you, like you're tom dude. Like I'm in
the mirror looking at myself, like what are you doing
your five percentage points away seven percentage points away from
getting half a million dollars like six hundred thousand to
two hundred thousand, hit like three fifty, Like what are

(01:51:47):
you doing? I never missed. I never missed another one. Well,
that's just it, right. Sometimes in our lives we need
that punch in the face, uh, monetarily or wherever to
recognize what we're doing needs to be modified. You know
what that give that make make a workout bonus at
this point, No, no, kid, I mean you've got your

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you know, not buy trading cards or an extra sandwich
he's LaVar Arrington. I'm Mike Carmon. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
Let's get it over to Isaac loancd see what the
latest chap there is in Derby Gate. Indeed, Michael and
LaVar great name for it already. The scandal erupting this
morning just a short time ago, when legendary horse racing
trainer Bob Baffort revealed the Kentucky Derby winner, Medina Spirit,

(01:53:15):
failed a post race drug test. Medinas Spirit could retroactively
be disqualified as the Kentucky Derby champion pending further testing,
but the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission has yet to address
this situation publicly. Bafford says Medina Spirit was found to
have twenty one pico grams of beta metha zone in

(01:53:35):
his system. The legal limit is ten peco grams. This
morning at Churchill Downs, Bafford contended he never gave his
horse any beta method zone. This audio you're about to
hear courtesy of w h a S Television, and you
are going to hear this correctly. Bafford is going to say,
I'm not a conspiracy therapist. Yeah, listen, it's a complete

(01:53:58):
injustice I'm gonna fight at tooth and nails, and and
I'm not a conspiracy therapist. I know, you know, everybody's
not out to get me, but there's definitely something wrong.
Why did it happening, you know to me? You know
there's problems in racing, but it's not about Baffory. Let's
find out if Medina Spirit himself has a comment that

(01:54:20):
translates to I thought it was flaxied oil. Oh. In
the NBA on Saturday night, Russell Westbrook tied Oscar Robertson's
NBA record with the one hundred and eighty first triple
double of his career. That's over two full seasons worth
of triple doubles coming. In Washington's overtime victory at Indiana,

(01:54:41):
same game, Bradley Beale scored fifty points before he had
to leave with an injury in the fourth quarter. Now
back to two guys who are definitely not conspiracy therapists,
Michael and LaVar. That's actually one of the subtitles of
the show. Do you not know? Because there's a lot
of folks with conspiracy theories ranging on anything from sports

(01:55:01):
to well as we well know, the rest of the world.
I love Uh so they need us, uh to to
fight that battle here and to help massage their egos,
saying to yeah he did, Mike, But you know what,
just like the guy who said California instead of Carolina.
I mean, people, it's okay to mess up when you're speaking. Hey, guys,

(01:55:25):
I apologize. I just want to cut in really quickly.
This news just coming down from Tim Sullivan of the
Louisville Courier Journal. He reports too. He reports in response
to Kentucky derby winner Medinas spirit positive drug test, Churchill
Downs is suspending trainer Bob Bafford immediately from entering any
horses at the track. Uh so that's notable. But again

(01:55:48):
that I don't believe falls under the purview of the
Kentucky Horse Racing Commission or right now the results of
the derby himself. But that's a development that just came
down which hurts his ability to make money. Correct, because
that's the biggest race. Well, that's the biggest biggest race.
I mean, Churchill Downs being a historic track. But obviously

(01:56:12):
the second and third legs of the triple crowd will
be raised elsewhere. So uh as of now doesn't stop that.
But your most popular one though, Right, it's the biggest. Yeah,
it's it's it's like NASCAR, you know, starting as as
they do at Daytona. Right, it's the pageantry, the parade

(01:56:32):
that you have there. Uh doesn't take away from the
rest of the season, but you know they kick it
off with the big, the big shebang there uh in February.
I love the Preakness being a d C guy, um
and and I've enjoyed going to the Preakness, but I've
done Churchill downs. Um, you know, I just I think

(01:56:53):
that the Kentucky Derby from from the ones that I've
gone to, Um, the Kentucky Derby is most definitely seemingly
the biggest, the biggest spectacle. Oh it is the Crown Jewel. Yeah,
there's no question about it. Not to mention all the
jaunty hats that get worn that one time. And I
want to know what happens to some of those hats

(01:57:14):
after the Derby fades, I'll tell you that. But that's
but that's the whole thing, right, Hey guys. Trapping and flexing, Yeah,
I just have some more Churchill down just coming out
with a statement. The connections of Medina Spirit have the
right to request a test of a split sample, and
we understand they intend to do so to be clear.

(01:57:36):
If the findings are upheld, Medina Spirits results in the
Kentucky Derby will be invalidated and Mandaloon will be declared
the winner. That just announced by Churchill. Downs guys, Yeah,
that's that still doesn't answer the betting side of it.
But so Mandaloon would go in as a potential Triple
Crown contender. I guess so you're still from a marketing

(01:57:57):
and merchandizing uh, standpoint. He becomes the next story. And
now we start talking about the horse that was one,
and then what if the horse does win the triple Crown.
Now there's an asterisk because they didn't really win the
one race. No, no, no, I see, because here's the thing,
you know in the end, uh we we don't like

(01:58:17):
asterisks in any of this. Right, you know, we have
all these speculation with all of that. Right, if you
don't fail the test, uh you you stuff gets upheld
and this is gonna be curious to see what the
split sample does. I'm glad that there's finally an official
statement from governing bodies as opposed to the trainer being
out there trying to get you know, do the cell job.

(01:58:39):
And and I don't know if he's you know, trying
to just get out ahead and get some sympathetic ears
out there, or if if there's something bigger here. We'll
we'll find out soon enough. But uh, yeah, they've We've
got our statement, and now the rest of it flows
will continue to effort, you know again for all of
you that's suddenly marah aculously or holding those twenty six

(01:59:02):
to one tickets as you're claiming to um. And obviously
there's so much else that goes into there when you're
talking about Quinnella's and Trifectas, SuperFect As, daily doubles and
everything else. Yeah, there's a lot of money and wagering
pools that folks are raising their hand going what about
me again? You may end up having to find your
friends online and create the class action. I'll just wait

(01:59:25):
till the end of the show. And well there's that too.
We're definitely gonna find a few. Uh. And one does
come from a graduation ceremony, which I thought Isaac was
going to use. He did not, So I will use
it because it celebrates our love of the Big ten. Uh,
That's what you call a tease. But coming up next,
we've got the Mammals of the Week. LaVar is ready

(01:59:47):
we get into that next year. On Fox Sports Radio,
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(02:00:12):
et cetera reach their destination. Uh, wherever you are, thanks
for hanging out with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh.
The Kentucky Derby conundrum is certainly gotten everybody up in
arms this morning, LaVar. A lot of theories going around,
and I just want to before we get to the
Mammals of the Week, I just want to raise my

(02:00:33):
hand because we do this all the time when it
comes to players where there's an allegation, right and and
team executives and everything else saying we don't know the
full story and presumption of innocence. Everybody here is just
saying throw the book at Bob Bafford, give me my bag,
as opposed to how about we go through the due
process of what they've got in place here before we

(02:00:55):
come to some grand conclusion. That's just me. It's always presumed.
It should always be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I
mean that just you know, it's simple, but it should.
Should I be able to, you know, go and train
in Colorado where you know my body now is more
efficient handling oxygen. Isn't that a competitive advantage you want

(02:01:19):
to go down that road? It's it's impossible to not
presume somebody innocent before it's being being proven that they're guilty.
It's impossible. But as it applies to finding things that
you could say, give competitive edges and different things like that, Mike,
I've always felt as though there are all kinds of

(02:01:43):
slippery slopes. I mean, I've never seen a steroid hit
a hundred mile an hour pitched. Now I've seen it
help a person be able to hit the ball further
warning track power versus you know, runs second basement right
versus in the in the water outside of the stadium. Like,

(02:02:04):
I get that, um. The ability to heal from injuries quicker,
I get that, UM. But again, when I look at
the world of competition, I do not have any type
of envy for the people who have to make the
rules and govern them, because there are so many ways

(02:02:26):
things can be interpreted at different times. Um, there's so
many rules that could be very, very conflicting, conflicting. Um,
So I listen, I like to debate it. I love media.
You talked about why people go into media. Well, one
of the reasons why I love going into media is
I love talking about the gray areas. No, and that's

(02:02:47):
just a good thing for me. Well, but think about
when the NFL instituted the player conduct policy. You can't
account for every circumstance that's going to go onto the desk.
You can't, right, And you know it's Mother's day. You
know who's to say. You know, someone may need the loving, carrying,
doting mom. Someone else needed you know, spare the rod
and spoil the child kind of uh. You know, different

(02:03:09):
roads to the same end. Just like this week, as
we get to your mammals of the week, it takes
an apex predator to properly assess situations and spot potential
greatness no matter how big or small. LaVar Arrington puts
the spotlight on them all. These are his mammals of

(02:03:32):
the Week. Mammals. Yeah, let's start. Let's start with unification
of mammals, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, when
that sparked a unification. That's Canelo Alvarez beating Billie Joe Saunders.
Uh t ko. How about that in front of a
record setting crowd. Se Wow, only two others I believe

(02:03:57):
have have had more. Uh So in the eighth round
a T and T Stadium Saturday night, the Mexican champion.
You know, he was pumped up. He he was. He
was putting his arms up to the crowd, telling the
crowd to get with and get with him. They got loud.
He was punching. He did some more punching, I mean.
And then Billy Joe Saunders could not handle the amount

(02:04:20):
of the pressure that Canello put on him and he
won by t k oh because well, he wasn't able
to finish the fight, Billy Joe Saunders, that is. And
with that victory, Alvarez holds three of the four belts
at the one sixty eight pound division. He is all
mammal going into Washington, the nation's capital, Bradley Bill even
though he went out with some soreness in his hamstring,

(02:04:43):
and believe the ankle didn't play in the extra minutes,
he ran up fifty points and and you know what,
he gave them the opportunity to be able to outlast
the Indiana Pacers by one point, so they overtake the Pacers.
Was at the number nine spot in the Eastern Conference.
Could be very dangerous team in the Eastern Conference playoff

(02:05:06):
in the new playoffs, get into the playoffs. Bradley Bill
all mammal and the last one. You thought it was
all about competing on and on you know, the field,
and and and on the basketball courts. Well, you know what.
Former NFL defensive end Brandon Bear. He saved the man
from a fiery train crash. Former defensive end Brandon Bear

(02:05:27):
saved the man from a flaming semitruck that was hit
by a train. Yeah, that was hit by a train.
He caught nine one one and then jumped into action
after hearing the voice of a person screaming from the truck,
which heck caught on fire following the crash. What a hero, Mike,
and what a mammal. Those are my mammals of the weekend.
Guys stepping in in big circumstances. Look, a lot of

(02:05:50):
people shy away he ran to it. Uh so celebration
there He's Lamar Arrington. He is the King of the
Mammals on Instagram. That's right. Find me over at Swollen
Dome for happy fun with you here on Fox Sports Sunday,
one more hour for us to go. Coming up next,
We've got hype trains, hype men, and what's really the
truth of the matter. We get into it on Fox.

(02:06:12):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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search f s R to listen live. Greetings, Welcome in
the final hour of the program on a Sunday Fox
Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen alongside the great three time pro
bow Or the All American take of the Mammals himself,

(02:06:36):
my guy, LaVar Arrington. Happy Mother's Day to all of
you out there that fulfill that role. Make sure you
fight tooth and nails to be able to make today
the greatest Mother's Day ever. I like that. Whatever that means, however,
you want to apply that to your individual lives. Lots

(02:06:59):
of folks fill the mom mother kind of nurturing mode,
you know, nurturing usually where we we get down in
one of the first terms of moms. But you know what,
whoever it is in your life, everybody, you know, the
it takes a village theory I think kind of works. Uh.
You know, you may have some teachers, you may have
you know, someone down the street that you know, get

(02:07:21):
you back into the house, get off you're too loud.
I certainly had that growing up, you know, helping my
mom out three boys that were loud, uh and running
them up. So you know mom's, grandma's, aunts and whomever
that in your lives, that that helps in that process. Cheers.
Hopefully it's a beautiful day wherever you are, get out

(02:07:42):
and about breathe some fresh air, get some sunshine, and
and maybe enjoy some of the great sporting activities that
are happening in your neck of the woods. And then
certainly nationally, we've got plenty of action on the board
today major League Baseball, as well as a late of
NBA games. We got the Knicks and the Clippers coming

(02:08:05):
up a little later here this afternoon. The Knicks, because
we've been talking about the Knicks, you and I a
little bit, and Julius Randall long ago much maligned guy
one of those young Lakers who quote just didn't get it,
who went on to other great things. They got the
right guys, they just didn't perform as Lakers. Well some

(02:08:25):
people may have felt as though, um they were stifled
growth absolutely versus it being them not getting it. But
that's all about nurturing. See, it comes back to the
you know, you might have the raw talent, but you
need someone to help push it along. So that's one
of the many games on the board. Miami Boston should

(02:08:46):
be to second year guy who's found the stroke. The
three point percentages up certainly given them a great lift.
And then of course later on tonight we await with
bated breath the Phoenix Suns, my Phoenix Suns from going
to back to the beginning of the season against the

(02:09:06):
banged up Los Angeles Lakers, still trying to find their way,
and a lot of if ands and excuses here, certainly
in Los Angeles and for all Lebron James is apologists
the right word, like everybody keeps trying to carry the water.
I think that's kind of where we have there. There
are a lot of um words that could be used

(02:09:28):
for the people who support Lebron, support stand all of
those kind of things, because we certainly have that. I mean,
like Steph Curry had another Monster game yesterday, so you
certainly have a bunch of folks that would love to
see him not only be in these playoff games, which

(02:09:49):
looks like they're destined to right here, obviously a Lakers
Warriors matchup could be fun. I was gonna have the
guys cut up the audio from Steph Curry from last night,
but he didn't really say a whole lot. He kind
of went meme worthy when asked about a potential matchup
with the Lakers and just kind of shrugged with a
big grin on his face and sat there and there

(02:10:09):
was about ten seconds of awkward silence before he went
well yeah, and that that was really the end of
the cut. But you know, it's it's fascinating times final
week of the season. The regular season will end next Sunday,
so we're we're waiting for that. But one story we
keep following LaVar in the the world of the National

(02:10:29):
Football League is the saga of Aaron Rodgers. It feels
like a Coen Brothers movie will eventually be produced based
on all of this and all the random stories that
come out. Hey, he only comes back if the GM
gets fired. They've reportedly offered him a ton of money
and he said, no, that's not enough. Uh he reportedly

(02:10:51):
like all of this, not none of it actually coming
from him, but telling free agents not to go to
Green Bay during the process and everything else. Now we've
word coming out that this is even better. You've You've
now got all the hype men starting to round up
around Jordan's love, and this this headline about I think

(02:11:11):
about sums it up perfectly. Quote Jordan's loves people hyping
him up with Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, comparisons m H
Steve loves Private QB coach Steve Calhoun. There's a level
of the former Aggias game that has been untouched quite
similar to that of chief Star Patrick Mahomes or even
Rogers himself. Quote there definitely is. There definitely is. But

(02:11:33):
Patrick Mahomes is one of one. Aaron Rodgers is one
of one. Jordan's wants to be Jordan's love. Of course,
I mean that that's good hype, but you you need
a good hype man because right now, in addition to
the propping up of Aaron Rodgers and all this process, right,
because we talk about goats, and there's some that will
never including some on our network, Hi, Rob our buddy

(02:11:56):
Rob Parker, like they're never gonna give the the credit
to Tom Brady that he you know, for the accomplishments.
There's always gonna be something to pull it apart. And look,
that's the the the beauty and the bad of sports
talk radio. Sometimes you gotta just admit you're wrong. Uh,
And a lot of guys can't do that. But when
it comes to Jordan's love, truly, only the Packers really

(02:12:18):
know what they've got, right. It's not like we watched
a bunch of training camp practices and the normal workouts
that we would get to see. Uh. And even then
you're you're still just guessing because he's not getting first
team reps. Right, So any of that speculation, as you
and I had talked a couple of weeks before the draft,
as this was really swirling around with Aaron Rodgers and

(02:12:40):
really starting to build, and once again right because it
was out there and then it kind of went away
and then it came back, just like the ocean, the
ebb and flow of the tide. Uh, as we got
towards draft week and then finally that Adam Schefter report
non report, the amalgam of everything that's out there. The
the idea for me, You and I talked about this

(02:13:01):
a little bit, was well, what's the value of a
Jordan's love compared to the rest of this draft class?
Like if you were to have ranked him with the
five guys that got chosen in the first where was
he and did you offer him for trade? Because wouldn't
that kind of rectify some of this Look Aaron at
your team again, Retrospect is always really like for me,

(02:13:25):
especially being where I was drafted at, retrospect is kind
of like, this is that one time where I say, Okay,
we talked about the betting situation earlier, I want my
money back if if I saw that something didn't pan
out the right way, you know, based upon you know,
information after the fact. Now, when I look at draft picks,

(02:13:49):
once you're drafted, you've already solidified what you accomplished in
college and that led to you getting that draft pick.
It has nothing to do with the their math of it. Now,
the aftermath of what the career represents is always going
to be measured in Wade off of the success moving forward.

(02:14:11):
So it's kind of like it's like, what side of
a draft pick do you want to debate? I went
number two in the draft. Brian Urlacker did not. In fact,
I think there was maybe there wasn't. Yeah, there was
a linebacker. I think Julian Peterson. I don't even think
er Lacker was the second or third. Maybe it was

(02:14:32):
the third linebacker taken in our draft. And he's a
Hall of Famer, you know what I mean. So it's
kind of like, looking back on I saw somebody write
an article not too long ago. We could go back
to the two thousand drugs, we would took Brian or
Lacker number two. Screw you, well, yeah, you know what
I mean. Lacker was second, and then Peterson came off

(02:14:53):
at sixty. But either way, however, however you want to
look at it, he wasn't. He wasn't before me right
point down distance, and you can't. You can't do it.
It's just difficult to say, go go back retrospect now
and say, okay, what's Jordan's love even the guy to

(02:15:15):
be picked and chosen by the Green Baby packers. The
answer is yes, because they chose him like we look
back on this draft. No one can say it for
certain yet about this this class of draft. You know,
everybody's like, oh, we thought that mac Jones was going
to go to to the New York Jets, mac Jones,

(02:15:36):
mac Jones. Now everybody said trade Lance, Trede Lance was
the most NFL ready, I mean, of course outside of
Trevor Lawrence. Like everybody's talking like they know what they know,
and you don't know anything. You can know how good
somebody played and how well they played, you can know
attributes about what what they did, but you can't measure

(02:15:58):
all of the given variables that are going to go
into each one of those guys performances and their careers
as pros well. And that's just it, right, I mean,
how often you know, we're talking about it a little
bit earlier in the show, when you're talking about knowing
a system, knowing a coaching staff. Look, what happens in
Pittsburgh is rare. What happens in New England rarer. Still right,

(02:16:22):
Pittsburgh doesn't change coaches. Mike Tomlin is going to be
a seventy five year old man, still looking like he's forty,
running up and down the Steelers sideline. That's just the
way they do things. Pittsburgh doesn't change a lot of things.
Once Pittsburgh locks in, they lock in, They lock into
their quarterbacks. You know, there haven't been a ton of
quarterbacks in Pittsburgh, right, Stay healthy and you get your

(02:16:43):
longevity and so and with New England, we obviously celebrate
the longevity of the Belichick Brady relationship. Most other organizations
are not so stable. Uh. The point for me for
Jordan's love wasn't retroactively going back to it was all right,
if part of Rogers is getting that he's chapped, go

(02:17:05):
figure out what the market is for Jordan's love in draft,
and go extra assets that will make you know, at
least appeas Rogers. Okay, Jordan's love the guy in waiting
isn't there, By the way, they still need to feel
the quarterback. I saw the story this week of hey,
they're gonna invite guys as camp ups. They always invite
guys with camp arms. That's true too, Like that's that

(02:17:27):
that was a non story if there ever was one,
because it wasn't like, hey, they're gonna find some guy,
you know, Uncle Ricos hanging out there that can suddenly
come throw the football over a mountain. But I think
I think the point of of the story is because
they're they're bracing for Aaron Rodgers not showing up, so

(02:17:48):
he's gonna be the next guy to not show up
for offseason workouts. Yeah, but there's certain guys. If they
don't show up, that's bad. That's bad. If you don't
see Aaron Rodgers show up, that is bad. And and
we just had a segment where we were just talking
about don't you want to get out ahead of it? Well,
I would think this is getting out ahead about seeing

(02:18:09):
Aaron Rodgers there. Yeah, but it's still a you know,
from a perspective, like these guys aren't coming in to
take that job right there, they're looking at Camp Arms. Okay,
but what if Aaron Rodgers really follows through and says
I'm never going to play for if if that came out,
it came out speculation wise that he's done. If that

(02:18:32):
is true, then one of them Camp Arms is going
to get an opportunity and may even have a chance
because based off of what we may or may not
be seeing out of Jordan's love as we move forward
with him, they may have an opportunity to unsee down. Well,
the crazier things have happened in this course, there's no
question about it. Just exactly as Kurt Warner Hall of

(02:18:59):
Fame career for a water and an XFL title fromatics
but in grocery store. Yeah. No, it's it's just the
idea of when it when it comes to Jordan's Love
is if part of it is that he was really
just that upset and his presence is such a problem.
Number one, it spurred him on partially too, then then

(02:19:20):
we got to give some attribution to the performance that
you had that led to an m v P season, right, Like,
we can't do one without the other. I think it's
disingenuous to like, if it really ticked him off that much,
then it actually helped his performance. But going forward, you know,
if you've already looked at Jordan's Love and he's still
in developmental mode, right he was the number three quarterback

(02:19:42):
not even active uh pretty much this year, that if
that's part of the roster shake up that needs to
happen to appease him, and you can could have gotten
assets by which to maybe go draft another wide receiver
or whatever was going to in theory make him happier.
Then in theory you just say, all right, we blew

(02:20:03):
that because wouldn't you rather have And again, we don't
know where the end is and and that's the cautionary
tale and all this. We don't know when these quarterbacks
careers are gonna end. Any player right coming off an
m v P year, maybe he goes off a cliff.
I don't know. Yeah, you've had a couple of injuries,
and you had a couple of mid twenty touchdown seasons
which were out of character. So yes, as an organization,

(02:20:26):
you're thinking, he's going to be thirty seven what he's
gonna be thirty eight years old? Uh? Tom Brady thus
far has been the outlier. And I guess you go
back to Warren Moon, who was throwing football's until he
was you know, but beyond that, you know, and Brett
Farve before his body started to fall apart. But you
don't have very many guys. Those are the outliers, so

(02:20:48):
you've got to be ready. So all of the angst
over Jordan's love, fine, But if that's the thing that's
that makes this salvageable, then see, yeah he's gone. I'll
take my shot that Aaron Rodgers can give me two
or three more years, because either way, my team is
going to be at a crossroads when he's gone. Anyway,
he just won the m v P, So yeah, he

(02:21:10):
didn't get the super Bowl, but he was one game
away from it two times in a row. And I
think there's more to the conversation based upon other other factors,
such as winning m VP. Having all these things take place,
but you're still like, let alone using Tom Brady as

(02:21:31):
the winner. He's the outlier and his age. But really,
you win the m v P, you get one game
away from the super Bowl, and you're still not being
looked at as the best quarterback in the National Football League.
I still believe that's what you get. You get Jordan's
love into the equation he's drafted to replace you disrespect.

(02:21:54):
You're winning m v P and you're almost to the
super Bowl but can't quite get there, and you're looking
not a old head and Tom Brady disrespect. He wins it,
but then you're also looking at Pat Mahomes as being
the best quarterback in the game today. Disrespect all in
in the line of Aaron Rodgers feeling disrespected, I think

(02:22:14):
more so that's what driving him to want to go
to one of these teams because he wants to prove
to the world that he is the best football player
quarterback in the game, and he wants to do it
by beating Patrick Mahomes. Now, let's continue talking about this,
uh in terms of greatness and switching sports as well.
With a guy who's getting to be great and his

(02:22:37):
team took up for him. I want to, you know,
pick your brain on your extensive history here with the
National Football League and collegiate sports. He's LaVar Arrington. I'm
Mike Harmon. This is Fox Sports Sunday having some fun
with you. Thanks for being part of the family here
on Fox Sports Radio. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
I am the Mothership Connection. Well, that could be one

(02:22:59):
of your many nicknames, the King of the Mammals. That's
far Arrington, the voice you hear on Fox Sports Radio.
My boy and Mike Carmen. My hey, Mike, Yes, sir,
if you hear any knows, it's just me and my boy.
We're gonna gi it to you as long as I
gotta get baseline underneath there. Oh man, that is a

(02:23:23):
funky song right there. That's what you call funk right there.
Happy Mother's Day out there wherever you may be raised.
What is I think my sixth cup of coffee to you? Uh?
And what they did you get? Yeah? To help the
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(02:24:06):
of new fun and exciting information. Uh, and efforts going up.
We're getting back into the audio and video. Why because
it's the long slog that becomes fantasy draft season coming
out of the draft. So, uh, the NFL Draft just
a week ago, all the newly minted stars for your
respective teams. You had Michael Parsons on Penn State now

(02:24:28):
one of the Dallas Cowboys, shiny new toys. Uh. And
well a guy that's gonna get a lot of run
defensive play at rookie of the year favorite. Uh to
the oddsmakers thus far. Uh, you had him on up
on game ten am till noon. You want to give
folks just a little snippet of what they can get
from that that clip. Sure, No, no, no, I meant

(02:24:52):
I meant you know you No, no, no, just you
you're summarizing. Sorry, just trying to give you a lab up.
If there was any particular insight he gave you to
the draft process or or the first meeting with Jerry Jones. Um, well,
we didn't talk about Jerry Jones, but we did talk
about poach draft and and he's just really you know,

(02:25:14):
he's been in contact with vanderish and and Jalen Uh,
Jalen Smith as well the other backers there, and he's
just really excited to get in there and learn from them,
those veterans, and and learn what it's like to to
be a pro and what it takes to be one.
He's he's an ultra competitive dude. You can hear that

(02:25:36):
um shine through in his his conversation, and you know,
it's just good listening to him. And that's that's actually
the first extended conversation I've even had with him since
getting drafted, so everybody got an opportunity to kind of
catch up with my catching up with him. Um during
the course of that interview, cool I got another thirty
two questions for him. But here's a little snippet of

(02:25:56):
Micael from tern Berry. Increases my hunger a lot. You know,
it makes me hungry, are much more. It makes me
very excited and you know, really hungry just to prove
myself and you know, trying to be the new face
of the franchise and things like that. So very excited,
like the face of the franchise. That's that's that's a
guy that's embracing. That's one that I'm sure he's gonna

(02:26:18):
play in Dallas a lot this coming week. Let me
tell you so up on game. He has those type
of capabilities to become the face of that franchise. Now
keep that in mind with they just gave a record
setting contract on the other side of the ball and

(02:26:39):
a great contract on the other side of the ball
the year prior to this, so you have that. Yeah,
I think part of it is just you make that
defense become serviceable and you're the face of it. Yeah,
you're gonna get it because we know what that star
um brand certainly means global value. Yeah, we we He's

(02:27:02):
got a lot of folks. I'm sure trying to pitch
him some products. I'll have several by the end of
the week. Uh. But we were talking about the Packer
situation and we got some feedback on Twitter, and I
agree with some of their assessments when it comes to
draft stability. You know, Green Bay has been a place
like that as well, being from Chicago and and still
flying my Bears flags. Uh, dealing with Farv and then

(02:27:25):
Rogers for the better part of my life at this point. Yeah. Uh,
if you got the quarterback, the rest of it kind
of falls into place. Doesn't mean that maybe there weren't
some moves that could have appeased him. But you've got
arguably the best receiver in the game. And Davante Adams,
Aaron Jones is a beast. You brought in a j. Dillon,
So now you've got a second guy, so you can,

(02:27:47):
you know, smash mouth a little bit more. And yes,
would you like some more sexy names in the wide
receiver position, I guess, But guys have been serviceable, guys
have been elevated and and Rogers has certainly been able
to you that defensively play calling some of those others. Yeah,
you raise your hand and say, all right, here's some
missed opportunities. But we're talking about it. You know, it's

(02:28:08):
still the lad path of least resistance as best I
can tell, though, LaVar right, when you were talking about
going after Mahomes or whatever some of those motivations would be,
isn't And then the push still to all right, where's
my path towards the Super Bowl? I would argue through
the NFC North is going to be easier than if
you went to play with some of these presumed destinations

(02:28:29):
in the a f C West. That's the point. You
just made the point like, if you think about it,
who are you like just that we we had this conversation,
is it justin fields? Like justin fields? To me, may
have the best opportunity to to be that Pat Mahomes

(02:28:51):
like talent and the NFC North that can give Aaron
Rodgers that adversary that he eats, because otherwise there is
no one. No, it's not gonna be it, Kirk Cousins,
isn't it. It's not going It's not gonna turn out
that way, So why not go where the level of competition.

(02:29:13):
If you feel like you're the best, you're gonna want
to beat the best to prove that you're the best.
I think that's the whole point of Like you just
made the whole point of why he would want to go. Yeah,
I think it just comes down to the all right,
you might win some individual stat awards that way, Are
you winning? Like, I mean truly are you? Are you

(02:29:35):
winning with the squad? And maybe and maybe you do. Right,
Denver's got weapons. We've talked about it and we certainly
will as we get it in advance of the preseason
and break things down. Right, Courtland Sutton coming back, who's
an absolute monster and people forgot about him last last
year in Denver. You look at the Raiders with Waller
and now Edwards and Rugs on the outside, Jacobs in

(02:29:57):
the back field, like there's there's talent, but it's still
the all right, what's my path towards playing in l
A for a Super Bowl this year? It still seems
to me that that path is going to be a
little less um paved terribly through the through the North.
So you know, what's the motivation at this point? You know,

(02:30:18):
what are you trying to prove Is it just because
you've done it individually? You've done it winning a Super Bowl,
but you cannot seem to shake getting the like think
about it, you're being disrespected perceivably even by the team
you're playing for. Well, but you can always find slights

(02:30:41):
with the people you work for and with and and
and every organization. Right Tom Brady felt slighted. Okay, well,
if you said precedent by continuing to take less money
to be here, why am I suddenly going to give
you a giant bag at the end. I think I
think Aaron Rodgers situation is very unique to Aaron Rodgers
in this case because he has shown outright he is

(02:31:05):
the guy for for Green Bay and is being put
in a situation and his his estimation where he's not
being being valued properly by the organization. Now where people
will say that's every quarterback, that is Tom Brady. The
reason why I say it's unique is because he is

(02:31:27):
as good like I think Aaron Rodgers is a better
quarterback overall than Tom Brady as a quarterback, but people
will argue and say, no, he's not. And the reason
being is is because obviously the success that tom Brady
has had. Now, I'm not going to be the one
to sit there and battle tooth and nail instead of

(02:31:48):
nails plural. Otherwise I would have to make tooth teeth
teeth and nail nails. But now you're biting, and that's
a whole other problem. Not to do that at a
young age. I mean, look, as you're a you're adults.
You do what you're gonna do. But for the purposes
of this, now we'll leave it out, Okay, all right, um,
And so when I look at at where Aaron Rodgers

(02:32:09):
is right now, I just say, you haven't won enough
to be be able to overlook anything else, like like
Tom Brady has, which is an outlier as you mentioned before,
because nobody has won as a rapid clip as Tom
Brady in terms of the Super Bowl discussion. So now

(02:32:30):
then it's like, okay, well he's not the best winner.
All right, he's not the best winner. Tom Brady is
the best winner. But is he the best quarterback? Well,
he got an m v P this year, so do
we want to say he's the best quarterback in the league.
Most people will debate he won the MVP League Award
because he was considered to be the most valuable player
because he did the most with less in Green Bay.

(02:32:53):
But you're not going to definitively say that he is
the best quarterback. You're going to argue that Pat Mahomes
is easily, hands down, in far and away the best
quarterback in the league and is perceivably the future and
the current face of the National Football League. Aaron Rodgers
is in a much different position than any other quarterback

(02:33:17):
in the National Football League because he's actually good enough
to be in the rare air conversations versus anything else
that's going on. So to me, that is that is
the confrontation that he's dealing with personally. I don't even
think it's just limited to Green Bay. It's like Green Bay,

(02:33:38):
can you guys help me be the greatest ever? But look,
unless you're gonna rattle off five super Bowls, you're Look,
you're not passing Montana. Okay. So, but I think he
needs a friend to be honest with him. That's what
I think is missing in this conversation. And you know what,
Aaron Rodgers, I met you once at a Super Bowl party.

(02:33:58):
We both had probably had had one too many twelve hours,
but um, I could be that friend to you. Mm hmm.
Actually that that that's that's a line from a movie
that I didn't necessarily want to run. Uh, I didn't
catch it. It's okay, well let it go, Okay, alright, alright,
I'll tell you later, right, okay. But so anyway, but

(02:34:21):
if you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm thinking, well, you provide me
with the players to win more of those Super Bowls,
you know what I mean, Like a winner is always
gonna uh. Overachiever is always going to look at it
from the perspective of how can you help me? And
how can I help the situation? And if I'm given
everything that I have to the situation, then you could

(02:34:44):
at least do the same. It's probably how Aaron Rodgers
is looking at it. Perception is always a beautiful thing,
so it could be the person's reality. No, And that's
just it, right, Going all the way back to being
slighted back in the two thousand five draft, Uh, there's
always that chip on the shoulder. Uh, and definitely a
different cat. We know that he's lavartin on Mike Karmen.

(02:35:06):
Uh coming out next. We've got rats, raccoons and and
maybe more. But First, it's Isaac Lowen crawl with what's trending,
Michael and LaVar. Legendary horse racing trainer Bob Bafford revealed
this morning that Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit failed a
post race drug test last Saturday. Churchill down Set in
a statement that if the failed drug test is confirmed

(02:35:29):
via testing of a second sample, then Medina Spirit will
be disqualified and second place finisher Mandaloon will be declared
the Kentucky Derby winner. Here was Bafford earlier this morning
at Churchill Downs and this audio courtesy of w h
a S Television. It's complete injustice. I'm gonna fight it

(02:35:49):
tooth and nails, and and I'm not a conspiracy therapist.
I know, you know, everybody's not out to get me,
but there's definitely something wrong. Why is it happening, you
know to me? You know there's problems in racing, but
it's not about Badford. So reassuring to learn that Bafford
is not a conspiracy therapist. Well, you know, you gotta

(02:36:10):
sometimes talk it through, I guess. Badford went on to
say that Medinas Spirit failed the drug test because he
was found to have twenty one pico grams of a
substance called beta metha zone in his system. The legal
limit is ten pico grams, but Badford claimed this morning
that he never gave medina spirit any beta meta zone.

(02:36:32):
You know what, I don't have. I'm not gonna speculate.
I have no idea where it came from. We don't know.
We can't believe it's in there. The process has to start.
We're gonna investigated verily. I immediately I demanded that the
state pull hair from him to make sure if he's
ever had meth zone in his system, which he shouldn't,

(02:36:54):
DNA testing, make sure that's the right test. We had
to jump through a lot of loops to get to
the derby's they do out of competition testing. He had
that done on the eighteen um. That's sample. So we're
gonna have him look at that again. I mean, there's
a lot of things, just a lot of things we're
gonna be doing. So we're gonna show them everything, and
they're they're gonna they're not gonna see beating method zone.

(02:37:16):
And that's the way we roll, and we're going to
continue to roll that way again. There you have It
sounds as though he needs testing. That's the way we're
gonna roll. Okay, that's the way we roll. Not a
phrase you normally hear uttered by horse racing trainers, but
there you have it, straight from the embattled trainer himself,
Bob Bafford. In this story that erupted today and continues

(02:37:39):
to develop, Michael and LaVar, we'll keep an eye on
it at Isaac Lowan Groan where you find him on Twitter.
Thanks hailo you inpciate it today. All right. A story
that came up the other night Mike Carmen alongside LaVar Arrington.
Friday night, Francisco Lindor and Jeff McNeil had a disturbance
in the tunnel, right, something going on a little miscommunication

(02:38:00):
during a defect, couple of plays, a defense where they
just looked like they weren't in sync. And then after
this incident, cameras are down there and everybody's trying to
figure out what's going on. Francisco Lindor took to the
podium to say this what exactly happened in the in
the tunnel there. It was funny because I told him,

(02:38:22):
I was like, hey, I've never seen a New York
rat so we weren't down sprinting I want to go
see a New U rat and he got mad at me.
He's like, no, it's not a rat, it's a raccoon.
I'm like, hell no, man, it's a damn rat. Is
a New York rat? Man? I was just crazy because
we were going back up Ford debating it was a
rat with raccoon? Crazy man? Insane? Who was he? Who

(02:38:43):
are you debating that with? We? Jeff We? Jeff I
was like, bro, you gotta you gotta check this out.
I was like, this is a ne U r. It's like, no, man,
I've been here longer than you. Now that that audio
is an extended part of find your wins for the day.
You ever have to go in front of a microphone
and I about fighting with the teammate on the field.

(02:39:03):
Uh yeah, because because that that's where I'm getting to this,
you know, a rat versus raccoon? And look the Mets
leaned into it. Uh. They played it on the JumboTron
with facts, is this about a rat or a raccoon?
So they had some fun with it, but having to
answer this question after a little bit of a back
and forth in the tunnel, I'm not buying it. And

(02:39:25):
because Lindore hasn't been in New York a ton as
a player for the match yet. Right, He's only been
there a month, but he's visited enough and been around
the game enough. You know what a New York rat
looks like at this point. Don't tell me he hasn't
been in nightlife in New York City when he's been
there on road trips in the past. So I gave
that about a point oh five. Actually, no, you know

(02:39:47):
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to a Pico
Graham of truth to the rat versus raccoon tail. How
you like that? I'll tie it back to the Kentucky Derby.
I like the creativity of his response, but as I
wasn't sure if he was being figurative and cryptic like
it seemingly you seem to think he's being or he
was really being genuine and what he was saying like, So,

(02:40:10):
regardless of if it was egregiously disingenuous, I still kind
of like the way he did it. Well, you gotta work. Yeah, no,
I'll give him a good cell job. Are you kidding me?
That's that's fantastic. Uh. But Yeah, raccoons in the city,
and we've certainly seen him out here, and I know
you've got them in your area. Uh there, LaVar with

(02:40:31):
properly said possum. If he would have said possum, then
we can debate it because there are some rats that
are as big as a possum, if you can believe that. Well,
and you've got some raccoons that look like small bears. Yeah,
they like if they've got an endless food supply, they'll
just keep eating. We used to have him in our backyard.
We had a plum tree that the owner of the

(02:40:52):
property had and it was like there was about two
months where it was just there were so many plums
on the tree that the raccoons kept coming out in
night and every once in a while you'd look out
and they'd be like three of them, looking like little bears,
laying down on the roof of the garage. Yeah, I
can see that. That's pretty crazy. So yeah, but anyway,
it was one of the great stories of Friday Night.

(02:41:13):
I just wanted to check that box and I got
you to laugh, So that's always a win. Uh yeah, exactly.
At LaVar Arrington on Twitter at King of the mammals
on Instagram. Uh. Coming up next, we're gonna find some wins.
Find me over at Swollen Dome. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio. Mike Harmon alongside LaVar Arrington.

(02:41:35):
This is Fox Sports Sunday. Thanks for hanging out with us.
We truly do appreciate you being part of our extended family.
Coming up in about ten minutes from now, Steve Hartman,
Rich Hornburger with you here on the network. We're having
a blast. It's really been a fun show. We've gotten
into a lot of things with great depth, as you
would expect. Uh. Talked a lot of horse racing because

(02:41:58):
everybody suddenly has a twenty six to one winner at
the ready, LaVar, they're waiting take them down, they yelled, Look,
they're not taking their money back. Okay. Now it's just
a question of lawsuits and Bob Bafford do you believe
in what he's saying? Do you not? What did the
next tests say? And and to that point, it goes
into the long process of getting into these high stake

(02:42:20):
race races of what you need to prove and and
all the testing and everything that's done before the race,
and how close to the race. Is that done so
that you can possibly have the most accurate results and
not wait another week to where now there's a controversy,
but all of that will play out in due time.

(02:42:40):
Uh So now it's time LaVar, as we do each
and every week, let's find some wins. Flocker room squabbles,
struggling teams, cheaters and no account owners. There's so much
negativity in sports that it can ruin your day. But
not Mike hard That piece here to shine a light
on the gooded sports with a simple mantra finds all right,

(02:43:03):
let's start in the world of memorabilia, because you know
I love this stuff. Uh And every week it seems
we have a new record setting sale. How about an
eight two eighty three championship season game war in jersey
from Michael Jordan's at the University of North Carolina, not
South Carolina like we had more California as it were.

(02:43:25):
Uh No, from a u n C. Jersey sold for
one point three eight million dollars. Previous record had been
set in October when a Jordan's jersey from eight seven
had gone for four hundred eighty thousand. There you go,
most expensive Jordan's Jersey. Ever, Yeah, I've kind of gotten

(02:43:46):
into a little of these things. There's a couple of
websites and they don't pay me, so I'm not going
to talk about him, uh specifically, but where you can
own have fractional ownership of some of the great things
in sports and literature and science and whatever. Uh. You know,
we we bought partial shares of a a first edition

(02:44:06):
Wizard of Oz book. We we have as a group
the show during the week, we have partial ownership of
Andre the Giant Jockstrap. So it's kind of cool. You
know what, do you got your portfolio, some stocks and bonds,
the jock strap, and eventually a bunch of LaVar Arrington's
personal collection. That would be a huge win for all involved.

(02:44:30):
Now Major League Baseball folks have bemoaned the rise of
the three outcome world, but you know what it does
every once in a while, lav our, It gives us
some fantastic moments, some fantastic family moments along the way.
And we've already had four no hitters five if you
go back and give one to Madison Bumgarner for the

(02:44:52):
seven inning game, and we can debate that that were
blue in the face. Why not just put it in
with an asterisk. But Wade Miley was the latest to
throw one fourth no hitter of the year, officially the
second against the Cleveland Indians, and he gave a little
bit of credit to his kid. I gotta give a
little shout out. My son made me wear this Hulk

(02:45:12):
tattoo on my form. I might have to get the
real Hulk tattoo now, I don't know, but thank you,
jib Yeah, I think you're pot committed. You gotta get
that tattooed termamently crush. There you have it. Uh, congrats
to Russell Westbrook. Right, he's got his all time triple
double record, passing the Big Oh. Or did he tie him? Yes,

(02:45:36):
you know he tied him, so he's got white. Well,
look he'll pass him tomorrow, so we'll celebrate him again.
But either way, the one two victory. And for his part,
Big Oh is saying, hey, you know, records made to
be broken, blah blah blah, to not honor, to have
my name in and all of those fun things, which
is good. We had the Canelo Alvarez fight seventy three

(02:45:58):
thousand in attendance. You know, I celebrate big crowds and
and any sense of normalcy. So let's raise raise a
glass there, because we've got another big push, the eight
eighth round, uh, the big shot on Billy Joe Saunders. Uh.
The orbital bone will get more medical reports, I'm sure
as it goes. And finally, of course, I have to

(02:46:19):
say Happy Mother's Day, doll of the all you mother's
out there, and you can take that and interpret that
however you need to. Uh. You know, everybody's a mother sometime,
is what my uncle used to say, and I think
he meant it for the good and for the uh
well the obvious other inference uh in terms of attitude

(02:46:40):
uh and treatment of folks. So do your best. Give
Bob a call if you can, Grandma, whomever else that's
been important to your life. Show him a little bit
of love like we have for four hours, LaVar a
lot of love, a veritable love fest between you and
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