FOX Football Saturday with Arnie Spanier and Aaron Torres: 01/11/2020

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could reach us at Aaron Underscore Tours. I'm stinking genius one.
How you do it tonight? Torres? Wow? What a good night?
I am doing well better than Lamar Jackson. And I
gotta ask, are we the Tennessee Titans good luck charm?
Do they dare take the field without us on the air?
I mean they had never played a game when we

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were on air, Arnie, all of a sudden they're unbeatable.
I don't even know where to start. Is this one
of the biggest chokes we've ever seen from like a
number one seed? Is this like the biggest one of
the biggest upsets we're gonna see in playoff or playoff history?
Did anybody see this coming? So much to get to
I could just watch Twitter all night and read what
Pete for are sitting again. We're getting a lot of them.
Keep it coming. Even before the show started, people started

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to get ahold of us on Twitter, So Aaron underscore, Torres,
I'm instinking genius one. We left a lot of times
to take your thoughts, your comments, even if you want
to call in um. But right off the bat, Well
put the Minnesota San Francisco game on the back burner
because right now, uh, we're close to it. I've said,
Titans lead the Ravens twenty eight to twelve, a little

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over seven minutes left in the game, Titans with the
ball trying to kill that clock. Did you see this
one coming? Torres? I can't say I saw it coming.
What I can say is you and I were on air,
as I just referenced last week when the Patriots, of
course fell to the Titans, and we talked about can
they go to Baltimore they being the Titans and get
a win. And the game had to play out the

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way that it did for Tennessee, which is, get a
big lead, give the ball to Derrick Henry, put the
pressure on Lamar Jackson to make plays. That's exactly what's happened,
and here we are with potentially an upset about eight
nine minutes away. I didn't have the Titans winning, but
I did have the game going into overtime. Who it was?
I But I didn't even have the sky at twenty

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or something to that effect. Um, going in overtime. I
did have a couple of questions Lamar of course making
his first playoff appear, well, not first, but um, you know,
not being seasoned playoff veteran out there obviously, and I
was wondering what the time off and of course it's
been three weeks since they were playing. Um, the Titans
have certainly been on a roll. You gotta wonder, um,

(02:31):
if there was an upset brewing. But again, nobody really
called it. Nobody really said, hey, watch for the Titans,
except for maybe Clay Travis, who's enjoying this right now. Absolutely,
And I think what would happen? And it's kind of interesting.
Is the exact opposite your reference the forty Niners winning convincingly.
I think they needed the time off to get healthy,

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the forty Niners, whereas I think the Ravens were on
such a role they would have liked to keep playing.
And so as you referenced, Arnie, the bottom line is
This is a team that's that's had a few weeks off.
They obviously rested their guys in week seventeen, and they
just came out flat. I don't think they were ready
for the physicality up front with Derrick Henry. They fall
behind big play touchdown right after they they can't convert

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a couple of key fourth downs that those were key,
Both of them were key. And here we are with,
as I said, again, a potential upset right on our hands. Now,
should we be picking on Lamar Jackson? If you looked
at the statty two two D sixty two yards, but
he did have the two interceptions. They also were over
two on the fourth down. Lamar Jackson running for over

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a hundred yards a hundred and sixteen on eighteen carries.
But he hasn't looked good at all. And the first
criticism I'm gonna start is with this one. When they
fell behind. Um what was the score half time? Fourteen
to six? His body language was awful. Even before they
hit halftime. He was moping on the sideline. He had

(03:57):
that bad attitude. He was dropping. You could read his lip.
Somebody was saying out there, um he he just kind
of I'm not gonna say fell apart, but his whole
body language wasn't that of a leader saying it's okay, guys,
we're gonna come back, We're gonna get this back, we're
gonna win this game. He was just falling into the
trap of like, oh my goodness, what's going to happen now? People,

(04:20):
his teammates turned to him for leadership, and he was falling.
Apart of my reading too much into this, no, I
don't think so. And I think even on the first
possession of the game, you know, he uh the rate
the Titans, excuse me, we're driving, and you could see
on the sideline it was a long drive. It was
eight plays, it was it took time off the clock,

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and he was just kind of sitting there with his
little jacket on and all that stuff. And I'm not
you know, listen where I'm not here to pick apart
every piece of body language. But there's been a couple
of times where when the offense is struggling, you'd like
to see him on the sidelines, either rallying the guys,
talking to the coaching staff. And part of it is
on the coaching staff. I'm not putting hundred percent on
Lamar Jackson. No, but but he's just kind of sitting

(05:03):
there and and he's kind of twiddling his fingers waiting
to get back on the field. I understand he's frustrated
with some things, but I agree, Arnie, there was a
couple of times where even and I'm thinking back till
last week with Tom Brady, even when things weren't going well,
he was on the sidelines, he had the iPad in
his hands, he's talking to Josh McDaniels. I haven't seen
that from Lamar Jackson tonight now, Aaron, I blame him
for the fumball. Also, the reason I bring that up

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is he dodged one of the players um and then
he just stood in the pocket thinking, well, that guy's
not gonna come back after him, which is exactly what happened.
And he was just careless with the football, standing there
like he was holding a wolf of bread. They were
able to strip him and recover the ball. Uh. That
is also another big play right now in this game
also well, and that came in a crucial time too,

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because they had just given up the Derrick Henry jump pass.
And yes, you heard that correctly. Derrick Henry now has
a touchdown pass in this game to go along with
everything that he's done and so, uh, you know, it
wasn't just that play individually in terms of no, but
I do blame him for that because you should have known,

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he should have felt there was presence because of the guy.
He had dodged, the guy who would grab him by
the jersey, but that guy had not gone far. And
he's standing there going, okay, I'm gonna wind it up
and give it a throw down field and you knew
somebody was going to strip it from behind. But not
only that, but like you said, when the ball was
on the ground, he kind of you know, he kind
of hesitated whatever. And it was at such a crucial
point in the game where the Titans had just taken

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the momentum. As you said, it was fourteen six coming
out a halftime. Uh, Derrick Henry with a jump pass
for a touchdown. You can feel the air go out
of the stadium. You can feel the energy on the
Titans sideline. And listen, I know we're putting a lot
of burden on a second year quarterback, but you were
also the league m v P and in those moments,
that is why you are the m v P. That

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is why you have had so much success this year.
Your team needs you. And not only do you have
the fumble, but as you said already, kind of a
to get away from you afterwards too. Why are the
Titans winning this game? And don't give me this because
if Derrick Henry, because Derrick Kenny has been on the
team all year long, yet they barely made the playoffs.
So how did they slow down Lamar Jackson? He still
has the stats out there, but the turnovers were the killer.

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And Baltimore has been able to go ahead and stay
from the stay away from the turnovers for most of
the year. Today the turnovers caught up with them. The
two interceptions, the fumble, and that's going to do you
in so um. Not only the turnovers, but the Titans
great defensive plan. I don't know if they kept up
a spy on him every play, which takes away a

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little bit, but they weren't gonna let Lamar Jackson beat him.
He has over on your yards Russia, but they did
a great job about bottling him up well. And that's
what I was gonna say too, is this is gonna
be one of the things that gets uh doesn't get
discussed enough. When when we recap it and everybody comes
on Tomorrow and then Monday, when the regular you know,
Monday through Friday guys come in. We're gonna talk about
Lamar struggling. We're gonna talk about the interceptions. We're gonna

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talk about Derek Ken, We're gonna talk about Ryan Tannehill.
What we're not going to talk about is the Titans
front seven. Early in the game, you could see there
was three, four, five times that Lamar Jackson was waiting
for that crease to open, waiting for uh, you know,
the ability to do what he does so well, which
is frankly, make people look stupid in the open field.

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And to the credit of the Tennessee Titans, he outside,
I think one big run. He really hasn't had those creases.
He really hasn't been able to make those plays in
the open field that he has in the past, one
of many reasons why the Titans are closing in on
a monumental upset. All right, Look, we know Lamar Jackson's
the m v P. I'm not saying takeaway or that,
and we know it's a regular season thing. But my

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question is this, because what are you going to say, well, no,
I was gonna jump in because I was just gonna
say I do find it interesting, um, and this is
probably too early to have this conversation, But in the
n b A, how many times have we heard, well,
James Harden, he won the m v P in the
regular season, but why don't we give out the m
v P before the playoffs are over? So I was

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just kind of thinking about that. I didn't mean to
cut you off, and I agree Lamar Jackson was by
far the most dynamic, fun best player, and he is
deserving of the award as it's constituted. But I do
kind of find it kind of interesting. In college football
we say we should save the Heisman till after the playoffs.
In the NBA, we say we should save the m
v P till after the playoffs. I'm just surprised nobody's
really making that argument in the NFL right now. If

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you were voting for Lamar Jackson before the playoffs started,
and if it was including the playoffs, we just still
vote for him. If they lost this game, well, it's
hard to know. I mean, if Patrick Mahomes throws for
you know, goes doesn't really make a difference. What Mahomes
does if don't you have to take the whole regular
season and the playoffs. I mean, isn't just one playoff game?
So that's one one, so he would have three more

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playoff games by the end of the Well, no, because
I'm yeah, and I'm thinking, like you know, in the
NBA when we have these conversations, it was a lot
of the years where Lebron maybe you know, didn't have
a great regular season and then he would turn it
on in the playoffs, or Kevin Durant would dominate the
final and we'd say, why did we give the game?
Why did we give the m v P to the

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guy that that lost in the second round of the
playoffs or whatever. So it's just an interesting conversation. There's
many bigger topics to discuss today. I'm not saying that
as its constituted, Lamar does not deserve the m v
P because he does. It was just something I was
thinking about. Were pressing. Let me ask you this. If
you think Lamar is a ninety nine out of a hundred,
if we're talking Madden rating, if you think he's a
nine out of a ten, if you thought he was
an A plus UM before today's game. Do you change

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your mind after today's game? Because it was one I'm
not even gonna say bad game, below average, two interceptions
in the fumble is a bad game. But do you
consider do you think of him any different, any less
because of what happened today? You know, I honestly don't.
And maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm That's what I'm trying
to figure out if I should because everybody has bad games.

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But obviously, look, you know what the reason uh we
talked about Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
It's not because he beat the Miami Dolphins in Week seven,
you know, in two thousand and twelve. It's because he's
won all those Super Bowls. And so listen, it's early
with Lamar. He did not have his best games tonight.

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Tonight the show is tonight, and listen, I think it's
fair to talk in the bigger picture with Lamar is
now that teams have an offseason and game plan for him,
are we sure that this is something What he did
in the regular season is repetitive and you know, is
he's able to replicate it going forward? So I think
it's fair to have questions right now. Today the show

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is tonight. This does not affect how I feel about
Lamar Jackson. I still think he's one of the most
dynamic guys in the league and will be for many
years to come. But maybe the Titans did something that
people can take in the next year. Do you still
need to have a running quarterback? I mean Tannehill, Um,
you know only has fifteen yards rushing. They have come
at some one came at a critical time. But um,

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you you still need a running quarterback like Lmar Lamar
Jackson is going to give you over a hundred yards. Well,
as we speak, Lamar Jackson just ripped off about a
forty yard run to to get into the to the
red zone. So twelve Titans with what is about four
minutes to go, Arnie, do you think they can lead
him back fifty three? You think they can? For we
might have all spoken too soon because they are in

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the red zone. As I said, twenty eight to twelve
with four fifty three left, they get a touchdown here,
you know they obviously have to go for two, but
it could be a one possession game. But to answer
your question, I think I think going forward, you gotta
have a quarterback that can make plays with his legs.
He doesn't have to be Lamar Jackson, but Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Dak Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray. All these young guys their
dual threat at least have the ability to make plays
with their feet. I do think it's something you'll need
going for. Will the Titans pull off the upset? Well,
let you know when we get back. Of course he's
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Baltimore twelve to twenty five. Left Baltimore with the ball.

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It's gonna take a miracle. You need two touchdowns and
to two point conversions. By the way, I saw this
on Twitter. There's a lot of interesting stuff on Twitter
right now. The Titans Ryan tanney Hill is making over
twenty million dollars this year. Torres. Sounds like any spaniing.
The Titans are paying one point eight five million, the

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Miami Dolphins eighteen point five million of that salary. How
about that believable? Wow, Dolphins best player. Talk about a bargain,
Talk about a bargain For the Titans. There was no
doubt Tannehill was gonna be a backup somebody starting this year.
That's the type of bargain you want. Well, I'll say this,
Lamar Jackson's probably making like a million or two as well.

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He's on that rookie contract in the back end of
the first round rookie contracts. So yeah, um, you know,
I was thinking, had they've been able to pick up
that fourth down or even kick the field goal, but
then I'm saying, no, you gotta go for it. They
would have been criticized down by sixteen points if they
kicked the field goal. But they're still in, you know,

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desperate situation here two touchdowns and to two point conversions.
By the way, is this the new NFL where Ryan
Tannehill is gonna go back to back games on their
hundred yards a passing and they're gonna win the game
That happened back with the Dolphins in the seventies, and
and I believe the Pittsburgh Steelers, but not something we
see quite often. Well, it is interesting, and this was
something that was kind of discussed throughout the week, and

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you know, through some of the coaching hires that were made,
and your buddy Dave Gettleman brought up this point the
GM of the Giants, But that for all the talk
about the high, high powered passing attacks and all that stuff,
the Rams, the Cowboys not in the playoffs. The four
top rushing teams, which include the forty Niners, the Ravens,
the tight ends are in. And so it is incredible

(15:32):
because we talked about we love these new quarterbacks, but
defense and run games seems to be winning in this
one and obviously in last week as well, I I
was gonna ask you if you had a chance of
any of the four young quarterbacks, so Mark Jackson, Patrick Mahomes,
Jimmy g or Deshaun Watson. Um, and you were starting

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next year game one, who would you want your quarterback
to be? I take Patrick Mahomes. I didn't even have
to think about one. Huh yeah, I one in. And
it's because you told me that Lamar Jackson's the m
v P. Yeah of course. Yeah. Just because you did
a great show back in nineteen doesn't mean you're the
best guy on radio. Uh No, you know, I'm kidding. No,

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I mean listen, I think it was kind of amazing
to me. And I will say this is that, Um,
we do this in sports all the time. And you know,
this is one of my big complaints, Arnie, is that
we're always in such a rush to move on to
the next big thing, and sometimes we just don't appreciate
what we have when we have it. And Patrick Mahomes
when he got a little banged up this year and

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Lamar went on his run, it was like instead of
just saying, hey, we got two great quarterbacks here, it
was we gotta barry Patrick Mahomes and elevate Lamar Jackson.
We do it in the NBA all the time. It
was it was you know, I heard for a whole
offseason Ben Simmons was about to take over the NBA
and then he didn't. Donovan Mitchell had a good playoff
game War two, and he was supposed to take over
the NBA. He didn't. Jayson Tatum whatever. Now it's Lucas

(16:58):
Zion exactly. And so I bring all this up, Arnie,
because everyone wants to tear somebody down to elevate somebody up.
But you look at Patrick Mahomes again, incredible stats again,
a by again, a first round again, a home field
advantage in the playoffs at least for one round. Who
pump the breaks? He never would have gotten that first
round probably had the Dolphins beat the Patriots. We talked

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about this last week, Arnie. You can't play that game again.
But well, first of all, he was hurt for half
the year. They win their last four or excuse me,
they win their Yeah they what was it their last?
No doubt about that. Yeah, they win their last six
excuse me, including at New England, break a twenty whatever

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game win streak. He gets back and he gets healthy
and let's not to say that I'm guaranteeing a win
tomorrow or whatever. But the guy was banged up, the
team was banged up, their red hot going into the playoffs.
And again, it's not to tear down Lamar Jackson. It's
not to say that, um, you know that that Lamar
Jackson isn't going to be a great quarterback. It would

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be no different than arguing Tom Brady or Payton Manning
ten years ago. It's not to say that you need
that only one is good in the other can't be.
But if I had to choose one, I would. In fact,
Patrick Mahomes, would you believe that the two winning quarterbacks
today Jimmy Garoppolo through for all d and thirty one
yards and Ryan Attending Hill for eight between both of them, Um,
they don't come two hund yards a little over twinter yards.

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That's like halftime for Patrick Mahomes or something like that. Well,
and it goes back to what I said a minute ago,
is that it's easy to get so wrapped up in
the passing attack and Sean McVeigh and Jared Goff there
is still value to running the ball playing defense, and
that's exactly what the Titans have done. That is exactly
what has led to these two massive upsets. I guess

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the Ravens isn't technically officially yet, but it basically is.
There's there, there's a listen already. Back in your day,
they used to say, what when you throw the football?
Only three things can happen, and two of them are bad.
And I'm not saying that we're regressing back there, but
I do think it's interesting that the team that has
controlled the line of scrimmage in both games, the Tennessee Titans,

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pulled off two massive upsets, both on the road. Is
the season now a complete waste for the Ravens? I mean, um,
not only the season for the Ravens as a team,
but personally for Lamar Jackson. Even if he wins the
m v p UM, I gotta assume that the season
has been a disappointment. Is that the right word? I
will guard? Did they still have a good year and
they're proud of what they accomplished? Well, listen, I think tonight,

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in this moment, they're gonna be pissed and they're gonna
feel like they lost an opportunity to win the Super Bowl.
I mean, listen, one they were the favorites going into
the playoffs two. They had home field advantaged straight through Miami.
But at the same time, we also have to go
back to the beginning of the season and we were
It's easy to forget now, we were pretty enamored with
Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns. We were pretty enamored

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with the Pittsburgh Steelers. No Antonio Brown what does it mean?
And this was the team that won that division. This
was the team with the best record in the NF.
Let's give them credit. I know they're disappointing. I know
it's disappointing as a fan, but they had an incredible season.
But yeah, I think they feel like they let this
one get away, all right, Mike Rabel, though he's not
part of the Belichick tree, correct, Well, we can't put

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him in the Belichick coaching tree. He played for Belichick
but never coached with Belichick. So the Belichick can get
credit for this, right, I don't think so? Is he
friends with Sean McVeigh to show mcvegan partial credit for this?
What do you what do you used to make fun
of that? Dude? We still have to hire young guys
um with rough looking beards and good looking guys. Um.
I don't know if Rabels is a good looking as him,

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but I think he's just done a phenomenal job with
the Titans. Oh, I think so too, and what I
like about them. And we talked about this last week
as Derrick Henry just towers over everybody else in the
postgame celebration. As this game is in fact now final
um for that stadium cleared out pretty quick. They must
have left early. Yeah, it was. It was done twelve.

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It is official. The Ravens are done out of the playoffs.
Can't lie. I kind of for out what the question was, Arnie?
I'm so fired up about this right now? What was
the question that you asked me? I don't even remember
when I asked you. Now, that's just so many It's okay.
I mean, where are you at? I mean, do you
do you feel like it's a disappointment? Do you feel
like Lamar Jackson's now getting a reputation. I just think
it's one of those things where he had a bad night.

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The time off hurt the whole team. Their rhythm, not
having mark ingram at a percent hurt them. Kind Of
where do you stand? I think the season is just
short of a waste. Obviously, they did have some good
accomplishments and I had a good year, But when you
lose like this in the first game, um, especially when
you're a big favorite that does more than just staying,

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that's something that could stick with you. Um, you know,
especially for somebody like Lamar Jackson the following year, in
the year after now, it's gonna start piling up. This
is how it starts to get to is this guy
a postseason quarterback? When you lose a game like this,
then we'll say, Okay, remember what happened last year, what's
he gonna do this year? And then you're gonna start
building that up. No, and listen, this is part of

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the conversation. And this is why we value the playoffs
so much, and this is why Peyton Manning isn't on
the level with Tom Brady. And I know it's way
too early to have these conversations about Lamar Jackson, but
if you're the m v P. I know it's the
second year. I know he was the thirty second pick.
Every team in the league passed on him. But if
you're the m v P of the league, you need

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a better showing than what he had tonight, which included
three turnovers, two interceptions in a fumble. And it does
bother me the demeanor. Um, the you know, usually in
a situation like that, the team that's losing well mount
some type of comeback if they have a poised quarterback.
Lamar Jackson never got to go and never never really
poised enough. Um. It was either interceptions, fumble, was one

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turnover after another right now it was and in like
I said, the first drive, even as the Titans were
driving early in the game, UM, it just felt like
to me, um, you know, Lamar, for people who didn't
see the game, game in the Ravens first full drive,
he threw an interception early in the game, and then

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the um, excuse me, the Titans went on this big,
long drive and like I said, to lead the show,
even at that time, he was, um kind of sulking
on the sideline. And it was it was zero zero
at this point, to be perfectly clear. And like I said,
I'm not saying everybody's gonna beat Tom Brady, and Tom
Brady is perfect, but I I vividly remember being on
air with you last week, Arnie, and Tom Brady is

(23:28):
looking at the iPad. He's talking to Josh McDaniels. He's
talking to his wide receivers. I'm with you. The body
language wasn't right from the beginning. I get it. He's young,
he'll be better, he'll learn from this. But you're also
the leader of the team. You also want to be
the m v P. You want that responsibility on your shoulders.
You have to kind of take the good with the bend.
He's air and tours. You could reach him an aeron

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underscore tours. I'm at stinking genius one more on one
of the biggest upsets in playoff history, but first our
first checking with the sager to see what's trending, what's
going on, to say, hello, gentlemen, at minimum one of
the big upsets in the last decade in the postseason
twelve Tennessee wins at top seed in Baltimore. Then the

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number one seeds had been nineteen and six against the
six seeds going into tonight, but nine straight playoff wins.
So you'd have to go back almost a decade since
you saw. And it happened twice in the same weekend,
a one seed lose to a six. The Jets upset
New England on the road season. That same weekend, the

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Packers as a six seed dominated at top seeded Atlanta,
and that was the year the Packers as a six
seed won the Super Bowl beat Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl.
So you'd have to go back almost a decade for
what we saw tonight. And keep in mind, this wasn't
just a one seed. This Baltimore team had won twelve
straight games until tonight. They had beaten Seattle, San Francisco,

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New England, Buffalo, Houston. They were the biggest favorite of
any of the playoff games these first two weekends, and
they got pounded at home. They were down fourteen nothing
early second quarter after Ryan Tannehill had two touchdown passes.
Tannehill with a one yard td ron late third quarter.
So by the time Lamar Jackson throws a touchdown pass

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early fourth, they had already been down six before that,
and they missed the two point try. So twelve Titans
the final and this was a battle between two of
the best rushing teams in the NFL this year. The Titans,
led by Derrick Henry as a team, had two thousand,
two hundred yards rushing, the Ravens three thousand three hundred

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yards rushing and NFL record for one season. Of course,
when you've got your quarterback running as he did, and
I know Lamar Jackson did have twenty carries a hundred
forty three yards, but no one's going to regard this
as a good game for him. He turned it over
three times, while Ryan Tannehill had three touchdowns and Derrick
Henry we saw this guy's last night. The Titans had

(25:56):
the upset win at New England and Henry ran loose
on the Gan tonight. It was Derrick Henry thirty carries
hundred ninety five yards, while the starback for Baltimore, mark
Ingram with the calf injury, had only six carries and
only one reception in this game. So yes, a huge
upset and Tennessee advances to play well either at Houston

(26:18):
or Kansas City for the a f C Championship game
next weekend. Wow. Meanwhile, the top seeded NFC team looked
the part San Francisco rolled over Minnesota. You could tell
after two and a half quarters, not necessarily that this
one's over, but that we clearly can see who's better here. Eventually,
the final, the Niners beat the Vikings, holding Minnesota only

(26:40):
seven first downs on their eleven drives. Today, this is
how dominant they were. They beat him at the line
of scrimmage, getting six sacks of Kirk Cousins, and they
allowed the Vikings, one of the best rushing teams in
the NFC, allowed him twenty one yards rushing as a
club since the merger, and that goes back about fifty years.

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The only other playoff team to have at least six
sacks and hold your opponent under twenty five rushing yards
the Fame Bears when they walloped New England in the
Super Bowl that year, and by the way, the next year,
remember Walter Payton's Bears were upset at home in the
divisional round. If you're going to see a list of
playoff upsets in NFL history of the last thirty years,

(27:22):
maybe tonight's on it. Certainly that Bears loss would be
on it. It is amazing what the Titans have done
after essentially doing nothing the first month and a half
of the season, then getting hot enough to be in contention,
and despite a couple of losses in December being the
last team in at least they got in at nine
and seven, and guess what they're now eleven and seven
and they're in the a f C Title Game. Crazy

(27:44):
in the late NBA game, the Milwaukee Bucks trying to
go to thirty five and six on the season, Milwaukee's
leading mid third quarter at Portland's seventy sixty six. The
Lakers tonight did not have Lebron James due to illness,
did not have Anthony Davis due to a bruise tailbone,
did not have started Danny Green due to a hip injury,
and the Lakers still won their eighth straight pretty easily
at Oklahoma City to one ten Kyle Kuzma thirty six points.

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He's Aaron Torres, a Marni Spaniard. You want to get
ahold of us Aaron underscore Torres, I'm at stinking genius one.
Just a few notes on the first game, which we
were tweeting a text of each other, kind of board
the hell out of me. Um. At least in the
second half. It was still fourteen ten at halftime, so
it was anybody's game at that point. But San Francisco
dominated in every fashion. They were better offensively, defensively, time

(28:53):
of possession. Uh. They didn't let Minnesota run the balls.
The Sager said, Cousins couldn't really throw the ball even
there was nine so I listened to three yards passing.
San Francisco's defense was big. I gotta give him credit.
They dominated this game from start to finish for the
most part ent. I think the Sager just nailed it
when he said that. Um. Basically, when he said that

(29:15):
that it was very clear by the middle of the
second half that we knew who the better team was.
I still think the story of the day, the story
maybe of the entire season, Arny, I mean, what we
just witnessed. One of the biggest upsets is to say
you're just alluded to in recent NFL his I mean,
if I had told you a couple of hours ago.
The Titans are not only gonna win, but completely dominate.

(29:39):
I mean, what would you have said to me if
I had said that, I would have said, well, I
think they could if they played their best game, it
could be close. I don't know if they're gonna pull
pull the upset. I would say probably. Baltimore wins its
game nine out of ten times, but today it was
the tenth time. I'm guessing there. Huh. So I was
thinking about this during the Sager's update. Do you think
there's anything to be said about the fact that they

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hadn't lost in a while. We always talk about adversity
and how adversity builds character, all that stuff. I know,
I sound like a freaking coach when I say stuff
like that, but I just looked it up. The Ravens
had not lost before tonight since September. Arnie September. We're
in twenty that was four months ago, three and a
half technically. But you know what you're gonna tell me.

(30:23):
You're you, I know, but you're asking what you're You're
thinking like a college basketball guy, who would you rather
lose before you get into the tournament? I think there's
something to it. They haven't lost, They haven't tasted their
own blood. They haven't had uh you know, you know,
they haven't had that long plane ride home or that
long kind of quiet night in the locker room. I

(30:44):
think that's a real thing. I listen. I think it's great.
You want to win, You want to win every time
you take the field. But I do think there's something
to be said about when you haven't lost in four months,
you start to kind of think you're invincible, don't you.
You think they were reading their own press clippings that
they were gonna win this game today easely, and they
weren't really taking the Titans seriously after they after that
Patriot came, how could you not take them seriously? Plus

(31:06):
with that running attack. Well, I think the counter to
that would be that they're sitting there thinking, well, they
just played last week, We've had two weeks off, where
as healthy as we've probably been since week one of
the season, we could just and we're at home. We
haven't lost at home, and forever we got this. I
I do think, Listen, I'm not saying they should have
lost or they wanted to lose, but when you factor
in they had to buy last week they rested a

(31:28):
lot of their guys in week seventeen, and they haven't
lost a single game, Arnie since September. I think it's
one of those things where if they had taken a
loss somewhere along the way in November early December, I
don't think that would have been the worst thing for him. Well,
I don't. I still don't know if that would have
made a difference in today's game. If they had a

(31:49):
loss in November or December. You don't think they You
think they did every victory to be the number one seed,
did they? Not? One more loss would have dropped them
to two seed? I believe well. And but you were
talking about Lamar Jackson's body language earlier in the show.
He looked like a guy that couldn't believe that his
team was struggling the way that it was. I just
think there could be something to you know. Listen, Bill

(32:11):
Belichick said he would have loved to go nineteen and
know that year, but it wouldn't have been the worst
thing if they had lost the games somewhere along the way.
I wonder if if if just losing somewhere, I mean,
they had so many big wins they they dominate the
Rams at the l A Coliseum, they beat the Patriots,
they beat the forty Niners, they win in Buffalo. I

(32:33):
just wonder if somewhere along the way, if one of
the bounces had gone against him and they had lost
the game, if it wouldn't have been the worst thing
for him. All Right, you want to get in Aaron
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stinking Jenus contract, like the Vikings need to get out
of Cousins contract. Both overpaid stiffs for underperforming. Um. I'm

(32:56):
not blaming the whole loss on Cousins today. I think
that's a that's a team lose for them, Cousins. Um.
I mean, he did the best decam, but they couldn't
get the running game. Going defense was okay, but let's
face at San Francisco had a little too many weapons
today and they ran the ball. Well, it wasn't Cousins fault.
They lost Dalvin Cook nine carries for eighteen yards, muffed

(33:16):
punt led to basically the what put away the game.
Let's stop with the Kirk Cousins bashing and a little
insult to you. Kal says, shut up, Torres, get give
the Titans a little love. Listen, I do, and we
got two and a half more hours to talk about.
But he's right, Listen, they have gone on the road.
They potentially ended the New England Patriots dynasty. They ended
Lamar Jackson's MVP season. We probably do need to give

(33:39):
them a little bit more love. Could you imagine if
it's the Titans in the Texans in the a f
C Championship. Uh, Fox TV can't be too happy about
that one. If if that's what it's gonna come down
between the two to go to the Super Bowl. I
think the Texans are a little intriguing. J. J. Watt
with one arm, Deshaun Watson, I think the tight Texans

(34:02):
are okay. I think the Titans would should be a
better story though, would they not? Or what they would
be a pretty good story. And let's be honest, people
are gonna watch the Super Bowl no matter who plays,
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(34:49):
a victory by the Titans. Unbelievable? Uh they knock off
the Ravens. A lot of people just scratching their heads
on this one. Could you imagine I was talking to
Vick Roberts about this. He got mad at me because
he's a Bills fan. Could you bage if the Bills won,
they'd be one game away from hosting a chance to
go to the Super Ball. But that place would have

(35:10):
been like see then then the TV ratings would have
shut up. That's a good storyline. It would have been
a good storyline, But I don't think it would have happened.
I think they would have probably lost to k C
tomorrow and Uh yeah, I mean among the many things
that are by products of today. I mean, first of all,
how great do you have to feel if you're a
k C fan. I know you can't get too far

(35:31):
ahead of yourself, but why why do you have to
feel good? But you say there can't be two upsets?
Is that what you're saying? Or I'd be going if
it happened once the Baltimore it could happen Toss. Well,
there have already been two upsets, and uh yeah, no, no, no, listen,
I'm just saying the path is now open for you
to again host another a f C championship game. You
were a play or two away from going to the

(35:52):
Super Bowl last year. I gotta take care of business tomorrow, obviously,
But it's just when you see a game like this,
who does it help more? The Texans who are the
underdog Garden look at that they could do what we
can do it? Or does it wait Kansas City up going?
We better wake up. I don't care for playing a
junior high school team. Anybody can win on playoff Sunday.
So who does it help the more? Does it does

(36:13):
it get the Texans inspired? Or does it put Kansas
City on on the warning. Well, I don't think that that.
I would think in theory that the Chiefs can't possibly
be overlooking the Texas. Why you told me Baltimore was
kind of overlooking the type. That's what I'm saying. If
if you've seen in back to back weeks the two
teams that you thought you would potentially have to go
through to get to the Super Bowl have both lost

(36:36):
in a matter of weeks to the Tennessee Titans, who
barely got into the playoffs. I don't think if you're
in the the Houston Texas or the Kansas City Chiefs that
you can be looking ahead of anybody tomorrow. You can't
look ahead of anybody, is for sure. After what you
saw today. Let's give a little love, uh for Derrick Henry.
Why is this guy so so tough to bring on down? Yeah,
he's got speed and he has a big back, But man,

(36:58):
there's not a better running back right now. Forget about
Ezekiel Elliott and Chubbing all those guys. This guy is
the number one back. He led the league in rushing,
but he's the number one back in the NFL. Well,
you asked, why why is he so tough to take down.
I got to two numbers for you, six three pounds.
Larry Zanko was not six three, but he was a

(37:19):
pretty big boy too, And I guess they just let
him run by and catch him from behind. They used
to say, but ah, alright, hey, how did you say?
Are you? Are you the guy that's gonna run into
the hole and take that guy head on? No, you
have to. You certainly have to gang tackle him. There's
no doubt about that. Um, then if that's true, they
should have started Ryan Tannehill from day one because with

(37:39):
this team in Marcus Mariota, what does that say about
Mariota that it was what two and three or two
and four with this team, it means that he's gonna
either be holding a clipboard in Tennessee or very likely
not be in Tennessee at this time next year. So
I don't even know if he'll be in the NFL
at this time. Yeah, that's that feels a little aggressive.
But now, I mean listen, I will say this story

(38:02):
is unbelievable for that exact reason. Ryan Tannehill off the bench,
you know, run out of the out of out of
Miami with the New York Jets or with Adam Gays,
who's now with the New York Jets. He gets a
second chance. The Titans pull off these two unbelievable. I mean,
this is really kind of an incredible story. What do
you really think about it? You know? I also look
at the other ramifications from this. When you see Ryan

(38:25):
Tannehill have so much success, um, I think that maybe
the Patriots say, well, tande Hills no better than uh,
Tom Brady, we should bring Tom Brady back. Do we
really need an elite quarterback? Tan Hill is not an
elite quarterback, but he's a serviceable one. That's that's played real.
Wilson's getting the starting position. I totally agree, And I
think this is a testament to what we talked about

(38:47):
earlier in the show, which is we spend so much
time getting so excited about all these fancy offenses and
gimmicks and all that stuff. The best passing offenses, I
believe it was the top four passing offenses in the NFL.
None of them had the playoffs. The Rams's misleading, you
go ahead, But the top four rushing offenses, the Titans, this,

(39:08):
forty Niners, the Vikings, they all made the playoffs. The
only point I was gonna get too, Arnie, was that
there is still value in being able to run the
ball and control the clock. When you get a leaked
misleading because the four teams that didn't make the playoffs
because they were losing a lot, they had the throw
to try to come back and win a game or
win a bunch of games. So the stats gotta get

(39:30):
piled up on that. You don't that, which it is
true though, And and the teams with the four good
rushing ones are because they're so far ahead they want
to kill them. The Titans were so far ahead of
everybody that they played. Oh maybe not the title, not
the Titans, but they had the league's leading rusher. You
understand that though. So the Dallas Cowboys who were so

(39:50):
far behind in all these games, were they really or
was it just bad coaching that led to them passing
the ball away more than they should have? Same with
the Rams. The point I'm trying to make there's still
value to being able to run the ball and control
the clock like the forty Niners have done all season long,
like the Vikings did frankly up until today, and certainly
like the Titans did today. So if you had enough

(40:11):
as you told me you were if you were taking
a quarterback. You're telling me you're taking Patrick Mahomes. That's
not helping the running game. That's strictly passing. You know that,
don't you. I don't know. I look at you see
I want Patrick Mahomes too, But um, don't overvalue the
running game, right, Look, we got a lot to look
I gotta an hour one. We can't just keep laughing
like this our one in the books. Give us a

(40:32):
chance to catch your breath. Reset, you want to be
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We'll talk a little bit about that Minnesota San Francisco
game that did kind of bore me the tears in
the second half. More about the biggest upset, or one
of the big upsets in football playoff the last ten years,
Titans over Baltimore. We'll get to that also, all coming

(40:54):
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(41:19):
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one torres Um. All right, Look, we'll get to Minnesota
San Francisco in a little bit. First thoughts though, Titans Baltimore,
you're just initial reactions now that the game is final,
on the on that big upset, completely dominant performance by

(41:43):
the tight Ends. You want to give them credit. They
executed their game plan, got ahead, gave the ball to
Derrick Henry. But you can't only talk about the Titans.
You also have to talk about Lamar Jackson League MVP
three turnovers, two interceptions, one or really which seemed to
set the tone for the whole game. So I don't
want to discredit the Titans for another incredible win, dominant win,

(42:07):
huge upset. But part of this is on Lamar two,
who really really struggle tonight? Is it? Is it just
simple enough saying that Baltimore the turnover war founally caught
up to them, becau they had the two interceptions in
the one fumble. Is it really that simple, or can
we say, well, that's what happens when you try to
make Lamar Jackson toil the ball fifty nine times. You're
not supposed to do that. But then Agetti did rush

(42:28):
for a hundred and forty three yards, So you know,
is the way to beat Baltimore just by outscoring them
or I don't I still don't know how they always
held the twelve points. Well, I think it's actually the
exact opposite. I think it's you got to control the
clock and keep Lamar Jackson off the field. And you
think about the fact that he did have over five
hundred yards the total offense in the limited time that
they had the ball. It was thirty twenty seven or

(42:52):
eight uh in favor of the type excuse me of
Baltimore with time of possessions. So they had the time
of possession. But they scored a couple of quick touchdowns.
You know, they scored the first playoff of whatever it was.
They they got a fourth down stop and hit a
quick one play touchdown pass. And then also they scored

(43:12):
right after the fumble recovery. So but listen, I think
the best bet to beat Lamar Jackson is to keep
him off the field. I think the Titans, although the
time of possession numbers may tell you otherwise, they did that.
And I think the other thing too. I don't listen.
I don't claim to be a football expert, and I
know how, but early in the game they contain Lamar

(43:33):
Jackson running the ball. Don't let the stats fool you.
He picked up a couple of big runs. Late they
contained him when they had to until they got the
comfortable What did Mike Tyson say, Yeah, everybody thinks they're
gonna win until you get punched in the face, right, Um,
maybe Baltimore got punched in the face early and they
never rebounded. And to me, shame on them because it

(43:53):
was only fourteen six at the half. They were driving
the ball to start the second half. This was still
a very winnable game. Um, until they gave up the
two touchdowns in the third fourteen six with the ball,
there was no reason for them to get blown out.
I know the turnover certainly cost them, but Lamar Jackson
look big numbers, no doubt about that. But the two

(44:17):
interceptions on what fumbles what sticks out and cost him
the game because he had pretty big numbers out there
and I think they panicked. I think Baltimore paddocked. I
think Lamar Jackson paddock, I think his his teammates panicked,
and they didn't know how to react to being down
fourteen six six six. They didn't know how to come
back from something like that. Well, and why didn't they

(44:37):
It's because of what I talked about earlier in the show.
I don't think they faced a real adversity since September.
And I listen, you want to win every game if
you're an athlete. We get it, we all played sports.
But there is value to losing a game, to learning,
to realizing what mistakes you've made, or just tasting that defeat.
And I do think that Baltimore got on such a

(44:59):
role at various points late in the season that it
was like, we're invincible, we can't lose, and all of
a sudden, like you said, Annie, they fall they fell behind,
their down seven nothing, and they're act it was zero
zero and they're acting like they're down fourteen nothing. And
so that was the big takeaway to me. For whatever reason,
You're right, the body language wasn't there from the whole team,

(45:21):
and I really think a loss sometime in October and
November December would have helped them before tonight. You said,
you don't think any different or any less excuse me
of Lamar Jackson. I'm not gonna think any less of
his talent, that's for sure, but I am thinking less
of his leadership ability. Um, yes, he's young, and yes
I'll have to learn and grow from this. But did

(45:42):
not like what I saw out there when they got behind.
I didn't feel like they were going to come back.
I never thought they were gonna mouth to come back
or put up a couple of touchdowns on the board.
I'm not sure why. It just didn't feel like they
were gonna go and put that up. And I'm thinking
the body language was some of the reasons out there
is the teammates certainly must have looked him and said, hey,
you gotta put it together, but nobody ever talked to him.

(46:02):
I agree, and I I'm with you in the sense
that when I was watching that game, it never felt like, Okay,
the Bravens are one play away, and every time it
was almost the opposite was every time they needed a
big play, something bad happened. Uh, you know, you get
the fourth down, A couple of fourth down stops. Lamar
has the the fumble right after a touchdown where you're

(46:25):
sitting there and they're down at that point one to
six and your twenty one yeah I think it was six,
and you're still like, okay, there's there's plenty of time left.
It's the middle of the third quarter. Let's go to
be the m v P. And so that I'm a
hundred percent with you? Is is it almost felt like
the opposite where you have, uh, this transcendent talent and
you're waiting for him to make a play. But it

(46:47):
was actually the exact opposite. Every time they needed him
to make a play ended up doing something bad again.
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I'm a stinking genius one, Sean says, stinking genius. How
are you going to say that the forty Niner game
board you to death? What was exciting to watch the
Titans beat up of the Ravens. Both games were blowouts.
At least the Niners did what they were supposed to do,
dominate all facets of the game. Um, but the other

(47:10):
one was a big upset you know that we haven't
had in about a decade. So that's why it didn't
bore me to tear Arnie. I don't know if he
saw Sean is wearing a San Francisco forty Niners hat
in his Twitter bios. So no, I didn't see that.
Didn't see that. I think I think maybe he's just
taking a little personal he's a little upset. We're not
talking about Listen. He dominated the game. Congratulations, he kicked
the you know, you kick Kirk Cousins while he was down.

(47:32):
Move on, watch the game tomorrow. You beat both teams
that are playing tomorrow. Enjoy this tonight. The story, listen,
you like to say, Arnie, we do the show tonight.
The story right now at midnight Eastern is that the
Baltimore Ravens, the best team in the NFL, who beat
Shawn's forty Niners earlier this year. By the way, uh,
that team just lost. You know, we gotta talk about

(47:55):
what matters. Dylan says, Titans beat the Patriots and now
the Ravens. It's time to start considering the Titans legitimate
title Contender's question mark, Hey, when you're one of two
teams left in the a f C, you gotta be
a legitimate contender. I don't care if you're number one
seed or your number you know last sie, You're you're
a contender. And here's the other thing too, is keep

(48:17):
in mind that that you know they are potentially they
the tight ends. They've already slowed down to transcendent quarterbacks.
I know Tom Brady's old or whatever, but they have
a game plan, they know how they like to play.
They like to run the ball. And there's a chance,
by the way, Arnie, they go to k C next week. Well,
guess what, it's nineteen degrees, it might be snow in

(48:38):
tomorrow in k C. Who does that sound like it benefits.
I'd say the team that doesn't pass the ball and
runs the ball and play defense, wouldn't you? That is true? Um,
I forget the Kansas City game that had a big snowstorm,
uh like week fifteen or something like that. They struggled
to move the ball. Um a couple of other ones

(48:58):
on Twitter stinking genius. So Tannehill with his two career
postseason wins, is an adequate substitute for Brady with thirty
wins and six titles. Let's give the guy a chance
to revert back the form next week before we enshrine
him in Kenton Tanny is riding his team like Flacco,
Dilfer or Brad Johnson. Uh yeah, and he would have

(49:18):
sent the exact same tweet last week. And then Tannehill
just went to Baltimore and gotta win. We're doing the
show tonight, Arntie. Let's give the guy credit that just
pulled the massive upset over the best team in the
NFL this year. Yeah, we're not gushing over him. We're
saying he had a good game. He still had under
the hundred yards passing as well as he did last week.
Also hundred yards passing. He did what he was asked
to do, which was play mistake free football, and that's

(49:42):
exactly what he did. Uh. It wasn't pretty. Eighty eight yards,
two touchdown passes but no interceptions. He only took one sack. Listen,
you don't have to throw for six hundred yards to
you know, you don't have to be Joe Burrow seven
touchdowns to have a good game. If you're a quarterback,
sometimes it's knowing what you're capable of, what you need
to do, sticking to the game plan, and the game
plan was give the ball to Derrick Henry. That's what

(50:04):
they did. And that's what allowed them to get this one.
They're coming out of the woodworks. Kurt says. The major
success for Tennessee in the playoffs is on third down.
I think they only had two or three third downs
all game against the Patriots and didn't have many tonight
and converted almost all until late. Keep that up and
you're gonna see Vrabel lift the Lombardi Trophy. Who let's
get be careful here. By the way, you know, there's

(50:26):
something at stake for Mike Vrabel if they if they
win the Super Bowl? Right? Uh? Oh, yes, he said
he would cut off his You know what he did?
Is that what you're talking about? That's exactly what I'm
talking about. In the preseason, he said, you're not gonna
hold him to that, are you. I mean, he's a
man of his word. I'm not gonna say the exact

(50:46):
must watch TV oh my god, no, when I don't
think I could watch. But he said, basically, he said,
he's been married twenty years, he won't need it. So
that's why he would trade the Super Bowl for for
that thing that he's willing to cut off. First, he's
two wins away. I'm just saying, By the way left.
He says that was weeks sixteen versus Denver was the snowstorm,

(51:07):
And yeah, they got a couple of touchdowns, but it
wasn't like they're a big offensive output like we've seen
in a while. Are we gonna give a little credit
to Rabel He's done a should I say a phenomenal job?
I think no, it isn't fair because remember, and I
don't have to schedule in front of me. But weren't
they two and four when they made the trade the
trade when they made the move to Tanney Hill, and

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then they almost lost to the Chargers, which would have
dropped into two and five, I believe, and out of
any playoff contention, they got lucky to beat the Charges.
Remember the Charges had a first and goal on the
one yard line and they couldn't get in four times.
It might have been more than four because there might
have been a penalty um and a matter of fact,
they had the review twice to see if they got
it and they didn't get in. And then they lost

(51:50):
Jarge John fourth down or it was a fumble or
something like that that that would have put them out
of the playoffs. But they're in the playoffs and They're
in the a f C Championship game, Arenie and Doug says,
I would want to read you what Doug says. He's
a stinking genius. The Ravens were doomed to lose eventually. Anyway,
A gimmick offense will never win a Super Bowl. A
gimmick play can certainly win a game, but not full

(52:12):
of blown gimmick up. Not a full blown gimmick offense.
Is this a gimmick offense because the quarterback runs or what?
I don't think so, why is it a gimmick offense?
The guy the guy through for about a billion yards
this year. Well, it's not a traditional offense. Let's be honest.
It's not traditional offense. Well, I just think the quarterback
runs a little bit more than most other quarterbacks do.

(52:33):
But I mean it's it's it's a traditional offense in
the sense that the quarterback drops back. If there's nothing there,
then he runs the ball. But I mean, listen, they
were one of the top rushing teams in the league,
not just because of Lamar Jackson, but because of mark Ingram.
I don't know, man, this does not I've seen some
gimmicky offenses in my day. This does not feel like
a gimmicky offense. Not It's not like we're saying that

(52:54):
running the wildcat, Rob says, Mahomes do for three and
forty yards and two touchdowns and the snow against denverdif
corrected that they didn't have a tough time scoring. So
is that gonna help the running team or the passing team?
That Tori as if there's gonna be snow out there.
I think it's gonna help the running team if there's snow.
And we're not saying there there will be snow. Who
knows what the weather will be like. But I'm just

(53:14):
saying is like, I do feel like, you know, I
I just feel like I don't think that. Listen. We
were on air after the Titans beat the Patriots, and
I feel like it's more likely right now that they
go to Casey and beat uh, you know, beat whoever
wins tomorrow. I think that's more likely than I felt

(53:35):
that they would beat the Ravens tonight, if that makes sense,
and I don't know if it does. Who has a
better future the Titans with Rabel Baltimore. Who knows how
long you know, hardbo is gonna be around, But they
do have Lamar Jackson, Kansas City with Mahomes, San Francisco
with Jimmy g the Texas with the Shawn Watson. Who
has the best future? You know, who has the best future?
Us guys that get to sit on the couch and

(53:56):
watch these guys come on, now, give me an answer
on that. I'm here for all of them. Why do
I gotta choose one? It's tough to pick one, isn't
it It is? That's and listen, and you know what's
great about it? Think about how many guys have missed.
Sam Donald was supposed to be in this conversation, Daniel Jones,
maybe Dwayne Haskins. We don't think it's gonna be very good.
So I'm just happy that we got three or four

(54:18):
that are gonna hopefully be here the next eight, ten,
twelve years, whatever it is? All right? You want to
get in aeron underscore, Torres, I've had stinking genius one.
Do you think any less of Lamar Jackson? And if
the m v P voting extended to the playoffs, would
he still be getting the m v P. We'll discuss
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um Torres. One big part of the game fourteen three

(55:21):
Baltimore with the ball, they completed a long pass down
to the four yard line with eleven seconds left. They
called time out. At this point they have no timeouts
left there at the four yard line. It's fourteen the
three Glamar Jackson goes back to pass from the shotgun.
If he throws the ball early, he gets at least
two plays off and then they can kick a field goal,

(55:42):
he scrambles. By the time the play has done, there's
only three seconds left. They chew up eight seconds. They
have to kick a field goal they gave. They blew
themselves a chance to get an extra play or two
at the touchdown. They score there and then it's fourteen
Attendant's a whole another story, and they're starting the ball
off the second half with momentum. There was just listen,

(56:03):
there was a ton of mistakes from Baltimore in every
aspect of the game, clock, management, turnovers, They can't get
big first downs. I don't know if you can pin
this on one play or one moment. It was. It
was almost Arnie a worst case Everything that could go
wrong did and that's how you get an upset like this.

(56:24):
But listen, I'm not gonna sit here and say it
was one sequence or one this or one that. Well, whope,
I was supposed to blame this loss on I mean,
Lamar Jackson had the two interceptions in the fumble, yet
he threw for over three hundred fifty yards of und
forty three. I don't know if I could pin the
lass on this kid. You can't blame any of it
on him. Is that what you're saying no, I'm not
saying I can't. I can blame a little bit on him.

(56:45):
I mean, first of all, the two interceptions, was it
the second one that was the big either one on
the sideline there? Yeah, because that was really the The
fumble was really what cost him because it was when
he fumble. I blame him. I told you I had
said this earlier hour number one. I'm started jumping there.
But the fumble was totally his fault. The guy I
forget who it was that created the fumble had grabbed

(57:05):
him by the jersey, but he shrugged them off, and
then he stood in the pocket cranking up the ball
like he was gonna throw it deep. He should have
realized somebody was behind them. And and so that was
the big one because that was basically the one that
you're like, oh, this just is not this kid's night. Um.
But but you know, to me, the one that really

(57:26):
stood out was really the um. It was the uh,
it was the fumble. It was the fumble, but it
was also the interception. It was there was so much
going on, and what stood out to me was just
like I said, it was not his day one, six
year down, and that is when he had the chance
to make the run and then the fumble happens. It
was just a disaster for that team. Um, I'm not

(57:49):
so sure Vegas is doing real well now. I could
assume a lot of money came in on Baltimore. They
seemed like the popular pick, even laying the big lumber
and laying the points in this one. I was looking
on social media today. I didn't see everybody's picks, but
it seemed pretty universal. Baltimore minus nine was the play

(58:09):
that basically everybody was on. And listen, I get it.
I get the argument that Baltimore was gonna have a
letdown or they weren't gonna be able to keep up.
You play New England, you have this huge emotional win,
you gotta fly back to Tennessee, you got a couple
of days of prep, then you gotta leave early. You
play the Saturday game. I can see where the argument was,
but you know, we'll have to ask Bernie Fratto. But

(58:30):
it felt like all the guys that I follow in
the media, it seemed to be pretty universal. Um, it
seemed to be pretty universal that everybody was on Baltimore.
Do you think the three weeks was too much? Time
off for Baltimore. They rested their guys in the final
week they had the bye week, and now this one.
I mean, rest is good. I don't know if I
could blame them for resting their players too much, no listen,

(58:53):
but I do think it was a factor. I mean,
I don't blame John Harbaugh for resting the guys when
he chose to rest the guys. What. I also think
that when you've been on a roll for two and
a half months like the Ravens were, they hadn't lost
since September, Arnie that having an extra week off, having
the bye to follow week seventeen, I do think it

(59:14):
got them out of their rhythm a little bit. And
I also think that once they fell down, they looked
like a team that they with eight minutes left in
the first quarter. They had the face of a team
that was down by three touchdowns with three minutes to go.
And so I think all of it added up to
the result that we got on the field today. By
the way, in Ravens history, in Baltimore history, um, they've

(59:35):
never lost when they've been a double digit favorite, except
for today. I think they were thirty six. And oh,
I I thought I saw the stat out there, but um,
whatever it is, it certainly wasn't good until what happened today.
Titans pull off the upset Tannehill not over a hundred
yards passing for the second week in a row. If
you would have told me that, I'd say, there's no
chance the Titans would have won last week, get alone

(59:57):
this week if you didn't have over a hundred yards
passing era well weeks, specifically because last week, and we
talked about it with the Patriots for the last two
or three or four weeks of the regular season. But
with the Patriots, the question was always could they score
enough when it mattered most in the playoffs. That was
never the question with the Baltimore Ravens. And so to

(01:00:17):
me that was the surprising part. If he had told
me Ryan Daniel throws for eight eight yards, I'd say,
I don't care how good Derrick Henry is. They are
not going to be able to compete with the Baltimore Ravens.
Only it was the exact opposite. Is this just one
bad game or team is going to be able to
look at this tape and say this is how you
beat the Baltimore Ravens. I don't know, if you could
be lucky enough to get two interceptions in the fumble

(01:00:39):
and to bottle them in for some of the night,
He's still had a lot of yards rushing. I don't
know if you could rely on two interceptions in a
fumble to go ahead and win. If this is the
game plan to beat the Baltimore Ravens, It's so interesting.
I think that's the big question, right, because that was
the big conversation throughout the regular season is how do
you prepare for Lamar Jackson? We haven't seen anything like him,

(01:01:00):
even remotely like him since Michael Vick? And how do
you do it in a week? Right? How do you
come off a game against whoever and then seven days
later you gotta go against Lamar Jackson? And nobody really
had an answer during the regular season, And so the
question was with an off season, can you figure out
a game plan to beat him? I tell you this
all come up with told Lamar Jackson was gonna throw?

(01:01:26):
Why is that crap too? Why is that because all
the stats came in meaningless, crunched meaningless you know later
in the yeah, like like you watched the first half, Arny.
I mean, there were so many times where Lamar Jackson
was looking for that scene, looking for that crease to
make that big run, and it just never happened. They
had a big play or two through the first three

(01:01:47):
three and a half quarters, but they never and they
never had those those big, just explosive touchdown plays that
they had throughout the regular season. So you think his
stats are misleading to three forty three yards rushing um
because some of that came also in the fourth quarter
to and you know, listen, I think they're very misleading,

(01:02:10):
and I see this on Twitter, now, well, how can
you criticize him? He had five yards of total offen. Yeah,
he also had three turnovers and most of those yards
a disproportional amount. And we'll see if we can get
some actual totals. Uh, you know at some point throughout
the show of what happened late when they were down
because they were down twenty eight to six, aren't and
they had two or three possessions late to pad those

(01:02:33):
stats and so listen, whatever, it was a historic night
in terms of UH stats for Lamar Jackson, but he
didn't look like the Lamar Jackson we saw throughout the season.
Right more on Twitter, Stinking Genius come on arn'tie the
Chiefs will boat race the Texas ten point favorite of
the defense that is dramatically better will handle one dimensional Titans.

(01:02:55):
When the Titans won the earlier game, the defense was
new and they had a lot of injuries and looting. Mahomes, Yeah,
I mean, I think after we just saw a nine
point underdog win by whatever it was, twenty four points
or what it was at eight, sixteen points, I don't
think we're in position to say anything. Is you know

(01:03:16):
a tomorrow and Curtis says, think of you. Just keep
in mind that Gus probably said the blueprint last season
in the playoffs says the way to beat Lamar and
the Ravens. The Titans replicated it, and one people really
failed to give the Charges credit for finding a way
to shut down the offense down hashtag bolt up. I'm
not so sure. Again, I know you said their meaningless stats.

(01:03:36):
I'm not so sure that you know. I want to say,
not so sure that Lamar Jackson had that bad of
a game. But again, the two interceptions of the fumble,
I can't overlook that that just sticks out like a
sore thumb. It was twenty eight to six going into
the fourth quarter only. I don't know how you can
argue anything other than that he had a bad game.
And one more, Dixon says, most junk fans that love

(01:03:56):
the way Lamar Jackson plays quarterback. Also known, Uh no
about Mike Vick. But the godfather was Randall Cunningham. If
you're ever board or think Philip Rivers is a Hall
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I know Randall Cunningham. Maybe Torres doesn't tech mobile. He
was great. Who could forget tech mobile? Uh you want

(01:04:16):
to get in aird onund the score tours, I've been
stinking genius one. Let's check back in see what's trending
with our buddy Steve to say or what's going on
to say? More on those stats which are gaudy from
Baltimore in a double digit loss, Yes, the Ravens are
out of the playoffs. Tennessee beat him twenty eight to twelve.
Just by comparison, the Baltimore offense averaged about sixty six

(01:04:38):
plays per game. Tennessee under sixty plays per game. Baltimore's
offense nine two plays, ninety two plays, and they only
punted once and five thirty yards and almost thirty first downs,
but a lot of yards included the last three drives
when they're already down twenty eight to six. And by
the way, also Hawes, this happen and you still lose

(01:05:01):
so badly. Remember Baltimore was stopped on a fourth and
one in the first half, and remember the opening drive.
At the second half, they were stopped on a fourth
and one, and late they were going forward a couple
of times, and we're stopped on fourth down. So the Ravens,
the best team in the a f C easily this year,
stopped on fourth down four times and losing a home

(01:05:21):
playoff game a club that had won twelve and they
only got twelve points in this game Tennessee twelve. The
final Derrick Henry thirty carries a hundred ninety five yards
and he threw a touchdown pass. As for the blueprint
to beat the Baltimore Ravens, yes, pressure on a young
quarterback certainly helps. But we had everything you needed on
tape twelve months ago when Lamar Jackson at quarterback in

(01:05:45):
a home playoff game at Baltimore was down twenty three
three in the fourth quarter to the Chargers, and it
would have been worse, but the Chargers had five field goals.
It really would have been a blowout. The first half
of that game, Lamar Jackson had a quarterback rating of zero.
He had he had seventeen yards passing at a pick.
They kept hitting him a lot of fumbles, he lost

(01:06:06):
one and this he had what three turnovers. Eventually in
the end in twelve Titans. Yeah, that was a It
was an eventual twenty three seventeen Charger win at Baltimore
a year ago. So maybe people don't remember it, but
Lamar Jackson was getting booed at home in the second
half of that playoff game. There is no mistaking that
they didn't change quarterbacks. He got a couple of late

(01:06:28):
t d passes, but they were down twenty three three
at home in a playoff game in the fourth quarter.
Twelve months ago, the Ravens, the top seeds are out
San Francisco, top seed in the NFC, looked great, dominating
Minnesota twenty seven to ten. The Vikings had only seven
first downs on eleven drives today under a hundred fifty
total yards, and Kirk Cousins was sax six times. Tomorrow,

(01:06:51):
three pm Eastern time, Houston's at Kansas City. Temperature in
the thirties and windy. The winner will be hosting the
a f C Championship next week and against the City
Exceed Titans Sunday on Fox TV. Seattle at Green Bay
six thirty pm Eastern Time. Temperature in Green Bay at
game time around twenty two degrees Snow is not due
to return until after the game tomorrow night. At least

(01:07:12):
that's today's forecast. Seattle guard Mikey Potty is doubtful. Tackle
Dwayne Brown is questionable. He did return to limited practice
for Seattle yesterday. Green Bay defensive tackle Kenny Clark questionable
with the bad back. Everything final in the NBA, Milwaukee
has won again. The Bucks are thirty five and six.
They want at Portland one oh one. The Lakers record

(01:07:32):
thirty two and seven. They didn't have Lebron James or
Anthony Davis tonight, and one easily at Oklahoma City one ten.
Lakers have won eighth straight. Boston ended a three game
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college hoops number four, Baylor wins at number three Kansas
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(01:07:53):
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Thank you the Sager you left that the most important
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Looked out? Up? I want those shots on goal? Next,
next update? Would you please? Actually I don't apologize. Wow,
I wonder he didn't give you the night off tonight
to say hey, he doesn't have the power. And Aaron
reminds me to write an email to the boss. Is
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All right, thank you? You have their email. No they

(01:08:36):
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier
getting a lot on Twitter. I want to get to
a couple of them. Um. Eric says, So you guys

(01:08:58):
think that Jackson had a good game tonight, you're audio,
I don't. I don't. Let's let's let's establish that right now.
I think he patted his stats late, so I I
don't want to be involved in this one. Eric says,
Rabel shut them down today, perfect game plan, offense and defense.
You know, Aaron, Look, I know you say patted the stats,
but there's no way you're gonna convince me that if
before the game I told you that Baltimore would beat

(01:09:20):
them to the one on first downs it was twenty
nine to fifteen, that the total yards was five thirty
to three hundred, time and possession in favor of Baltimore,
Um that you thought Baltimore we get clober tonight. There's
there's there's no way if I gave you that stats,
if Antannie Hill less than a hundred yards, you would
have said, okay, it's at worst it was gonna be
a close game. But you never would have anticipated this

(01:09:42):
based on the statistics. Of course not. But that's why
they say there's lies. There's damn lies and their statistics. Arnie,
you cannot, seriously, you can't sit there and tell me
that just because the Lamar Jackson filled up the box
score late that he had a good game. I'm not
saying it was good. I'm just I'm trying to say,
maybe it's not as bad as well make get it
out to be. Because if I get to sit here
and just you don't get on this guy for fifty

(01:10:05):
yards passing, get a hundred almost a hundred fifty yards rushing. Listen,
it's it's tough because we're doing this show live in
real time. The game just went final. Somebody's gonna have
the stats by tomorrow morning or or Monday morning of
how many of these stats came When he was down
twenty eight to six in the just the eye test,
it test tells me he was terrible. What do you mean?

(01:10:27):
The eye test tells me he was terrible. He was
he had to funs, He had two interceptions, one fumble
when his team needed him, they fall down twenty one
to six. He gets the ball back, he fumbles. The
eye test tells me he was terrible. All right, let
me ask you this then, does the maybe it already has?
When does the doubt from the Raven fans start or
fans just in general start to creep in about Lamar

(01:10:50):
Jackson In the playoffs, or we'll creep in. Next year
when we get to the playofs, we'll go too though. Well,
I uh, the Saker just told us that they booed
him in Baltimore last last year. Okay, yeah, because I
was gonna say, we're in studio and I didn't know,
Well it was yeah, it was yeah, and so you know,
so anyway, I listen. I think it's too early. Everyone

(01:11:11):
has a bad game here or there. Let's not forget
that Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time, his
season and maybe his career ended on a pick six
last week. So I'm not here to say that, um
that Lamar Jackson had a great game, because he didn't.
But I'm also not here to use one game to
completely tear down everything that he accomplished this year. I

(01:11:31):
do think we should give some credit to Mike Rabel's
credit to the Titans because they kept him in check
when they had to. I don't care if he put
up stats late when the Titans need to make plays
against that guy, they did, all right. Devin, obviously a
smart guy, says I vote for Arnie Sports Guy of
the Year, thank you, But I don't think that this
is the formula for beating the Ravens. Just a great
single game performance by Tennessee. Baltimore will be back next year.

(01:11:52):
Does that have something a ring of truth to it?
Maybe it was just one game, Um that Tennessee kind
of got lucky, the three turnovers and everything just played
in their into their favor, the too long touchdowns and
they get the victory. Well did they get lucky last
week against New England too? Oh? It was fourteen thirteen
and New England had the ball. Wasn't like they dominated

(01:12:12):
that game? Also, Yeah, I would argue that there was
more luck to get out with a win last week
than there was this week against the Ravens. Listen, I
think you can just say that the Titans had the
better game plan, They were better prepared, they were better coached,
they executed better. I don't I don't think that that
we have to tear down everything that Lamar Jackson did

(01:12:32):
for the last four months. But I also think we
have to be realistic. He was not very good. The
Ravens as a team were not very good. They didn't
make the plays that they needed to, and so I
think that this is more on the Titans just executing
the game plan than it is anything to do with
the Ravens. Jonathan agreeing with the saga, saying, is this
the game plan to beat the Ravens? Did you forget
what happened in last year's playoff game against the Chargers,

(01:12:55):
same thing. Charges went up big in the Ravens tried
to make it close. Jackson at two turnovers. How soon
you forget? I was thinking about last year. Last year's
playoff loss didn't even occur to be coming into this season.
But now that he has two losses will occur to
be coming into the next season, that's for sure. Yeah.
I mean if you think back to last year, though,
I mean, the Chargers were arguably like the if you remember,

(01:13:17):
and it's easy to forget now with everything that's happened,
but the Charges were like the hottest team in the
league at that point, and so I don't think anybody
really blamed Lamar Jackson. This was completely different. They were
the number one seed, home field advantage first round, by
had for home field advantage throughout the playoffs. They had
everything was on a silver pladder. The Patriots were out
of the way. They were gonna get either the Texans

(01:13:39):
or the Chiefs at home. Next week. So, um, I
get it. I get that we want to make this
like a you know, a career thing where Lamar Jackson
can't get it done. I just know tonight he was
not the Lamar Jackson that we watched for sixteen weeks
during the NFL season. Eric says, hey, he could generate
all the garbage time stats he wants, but in the end,
performances based on more than just numbers. I agree, yeah,

(01:14:04):
but the turnovers was the big number. The three, the
three five yards passing, the hundred and forty plush yards rushing,
those are some damn good numbers. It's the three. If
he has two turnovers, it's gonna be a different game
than than when it came out today. Potentially, Yeah, I
mean I would have to go back and look it up,
but I'm pretty sure the the Titans scored off all
three of those turnovers as well. So I'm with the

(01:14:27):
guy that just chimed in. I don't care about what
Lamar Jackson's final stats were. I don't think you can
sit there and say that that was the same guy
all season long that we saw because he wasn't. And
I two things can be true. You can say, look
he wasn't very good tonight. He was incredible during the
regular season, but he was not himself tonight. All right,

(01:14:47):
let me check in with the SEGA. What's going on
to Okay? I found one of the stats you had
asked about. We can thank stats. By the way, you
just mentioned all the Yes, they are impressive on paper,
Lamar Jackson stats. How about this for impressive. No one
in the history of the NFL has had three fifty
yards passing and a hundred yards rushing in any game playoffs.
Otherwise there they were down until those last three drives,

(01:15:14):
the last three drives where they got six points, and
you were asking about, my goodness a quarterback just one
back to back playoff starts, even though he threw for
fewer than a hundred yards in each of the two games.
That hadn't happened since the Tophins in the Pittsburgh Steelers
Terry brad four. Of course, granted they didn't throw as

(01:15:35):
much back then, but is stane Hill even throwing much
these days? So you get those kind of numbers. But
seventy four season Bradshaw did it in winning the a
f C Championship at Oakland and then in winning the
Super Bowl sixteen to six over Minnesota. Granted they had
Frank o' harris, but it was a hundred under hundred
yards passing in each of those games, back to back

(01:15:55):
and both wins. So you're saying Ryan tan Hills a
future Hall of Famer and that's get conclusion. Yes, all right,
you know we'll check in with the Sager coming up next.
He has more stats, late news and notes, late scores. Well,
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in with the Segar get all the late news and notes,
scores and all that fun stuff. What's going on to
se we mentioned how little the Titans are passing with

(01:16:38):
what they have on the ground with Derrick Henry Ryan
Tannehill so far this postseason, haven't He hasn't even thrown
thirty passes total in the two games. His leading receiver,
his leading receiver tonight had two catches, two catches twelve
yards Johnny Smith. But that that included the touchdown. Now,
if you go by receiving yards, there was that one

(01:16:58):
catch for Kalie Raymond that was a forty five yeard
That was his only look, that his only target in
this game. So they are killing him on the ground
at New England last Saturday night. At Baltimore. Tonight and
the Tennessee Titans, a six seed, a team that started
two and four this year. And you're right. If it
wasn't for that crazy, crazy ending at the goal line
to somehow win at home against the Chargers in October,

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they wouldn't have been making the postseason. But you know what,
this is not sustainable. You You you can't tell me
in the regular season if your quarterbacks are gonna throw yards,
you're gonna be successful during that. It's not gonna But
the good news is this guy is capable of throwing
for almost four hundred yards, as he has done in
a game this year. You remember how that month, over
a month, he was sensational and people were forgetting quickly

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about Marcus Mariota in Tennessee. Is it potentially there. Yeah,
they're just not throwing the ball because they're just not
needing to throw the ball. Derrick Henry even threw a
touchdown pass tim Tebow like jump past to the back
of the end zone, first playoff touchdown pass from a
running back in over thirty years. But Henry, now, this
is back to back Saturday nights in a playoff game

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with over a hundred seventy five yards rushing back to
back weekends, for crying out, never been done over. I
think the stat tonight was over sixty of the time
tonight they were stacking the bucks and still the holes
were being blown through, or more likely ten in there,
get eleven in there, hell, run twelve and thirteen on

(01:18:26):
the field that they don't catch us stop him. He
has also set the record most rushing yards in your
first four playoff games career. It had been five fifteen.
He has five sixty one and only his first four
career postseason games. But this is the Derrick Henry stat.
Imagine this in his not just the last two games,
this is going back a couple of months. In just

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the last eight games, how many rushing yards one thousand
to seventy three and eleven rushing easily. This is almost
hundred yards in his last eight games. Nobody in the
Super Bowl era that's fifty years plus has ever had
twelve fifty on the ground and at least ten rushing

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touchdowns in any eight game span in their career. And
he's done it in the last eight games. Almost look
like in three years from now, when he continues to
carry a load like that wearing a ring, I don't
think they will care. He's probably gonna look six four
to eighty and still be running over dudes just like well,
I mean, Terrell Davis is one of the guys whose

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record he brokes with all the yardage in your first
four playoff games. Terrell Davis didn't exactly have a long
career six years. The guy is a Hall of Famer now,
so I meanwhile, NFL research, I mean, we're just dealing
with facts here. It's not really piling on, but my goodness,
it is new to it news. It's like a man
bites dog kind of thing, Like, really, this is true.
But Lamar Jackson, remember this is a Heisman winner and

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probably an m v P in the NFL. This year.
But in his five playoff or bowl games, ten touched oounds,
ten giveaways, and Lamar Jackson has a record of one
and four in either bowl games or playoff games. How
many ball games are we talking about? So three ball
games to playoff games? Yeah? This this would only be
too right. When they got crunched for most of the

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day by the Chargers a year ago and rushed for
most of the night by Tennessee, I won language the
whole knife. You know, this is a historic season, This
is an m v P season. It wasn't just a
thousand yards rushing by a quarterback. That might be enough,
but he's the first ever with a thousand yards rushing
and three thousand yards passing. And so you're saying you

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don't want a running quarterback, you just want a mobile quarterback. Well,
the turnovers, for crying out loud, this is ridiculous. I mean,
I know the Vikings today, for example, didn't move the
ball and they kept getting sacked. The story with Tennessee
at Baltimore tonight is Tennessee wasn't moving the ball a
ton Remember when they were up fourteen nothing, The yardage
really wasn't there yet. But Lamar Jackson with three turnovers eventually,

(01:20:58):
and then the late yard and a cute excuse which
you've brought about in conversation earlier this hour. That kind
of excuse things. People will look back on this game
and say, really they were in ninety two plays and
maybe they didn't come close to winning. They only punted
one fit over five d yards almost again, that will
not if the only way they have ninety two plays

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and loose. Again, that's not happening. I mean, in a
losing effort, it guys throws for three fifty and runs
for a hundred. I mean, this has never happened before
in NFL history. Alright, the seer and get the stats
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(01:22:23):
s U and Clemson. You want to be part of
the show, Aaron under score Tours, I'm at stinking genius one. Um,
let's start. Let's wrap up the Minnesota game against San
Francisco because it wasn't like Jimmy g also threw a
lot of passes. He was eleven and nineteen hundred thirty
one yards, but San Francisco still dominated the game. They

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stopped Minnesota from running the ball. They didn't give Cousins
more than two hundred yards the pass. Defensively, San Francisco
stepped up big. They ran the ball Um. It was
close at halftime. Did the San Francisco win, um prove
anything to you was just to win you thought they
were gonna get or did it show that they're real
Super Bowl contender? Erin, Yeah, I think it's the latter

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to me, Arnie Um. And it's funny because I think
we led the show at this But I think the
time off hurt the Baltimore Ravens and I think it
helped the San Francisco forty Niners. They talked about it
a lot during the game about being able to get healthy,
get all their guys back, and you look at that team,
just a totally dominant display on both sides of the ball.
By the way, I started laughing. Remember when Nick Bosa

(01:23:27):
went down with he grabbed his stomach for people didn't
see it. He goes down, he grabs his stomach, He's
laying on the ground and everyone's and this was when
the game was over, Like it was done. It was like, oh, no,
is this guy hurt? Is he out for the playoffs?
And then he jumps up like a professional wrestler and
he starts firing up the crowd. It was one of

(01:23:47):
the funniest things I've seen You know, sometimes I wonder
how San Francisco wins when Jimmy Garoppolo passes for a
hundred and thirty yards. Yeah, Coleman had over hundred yards rushing,
but it wasn't like he's Derrick Henry out there or
anything like that. Yes, they have a good defense, but
you know, how are they continuing the dominant like just
to have a thirteen and three record. I'm I'm not
just so sure their record or they're as good as

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their record shows right now. Did you just say they
have a good defense? Yeah, seven first down the entire
game for the Minnesota Vikings. How about this twenty one
yards rushing the entire game. So they are just so physical,
so dominant upfront. Um, and yeah, Jimmy g it's kind

(01:24:30):
of the same thing we're talking about with the Titans.
Is when you run the ball, when you control the clock,
when you play defense, you don't have to have Patrick
Mahomes or Jared Goff or whoever at quarterback. And right
now it is the year of the teams that can
run the ball. Is both the Titans and San Francisco
win convincingly to advance the championship weekend, you heard what

(01:24:51):
the say, excuse you heard with Torres said you don't
need the blue blood quarterback. So when I ask you
this question again, who would you rather have Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahome, Jimmy jere Deshaun Watson, your answer would be
Patrick Mahomes. But you don't need the blue blood. You
told me to go ahead. They just need a serviceable quarterback.
You you don't need one, but should like one. And

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by the way, just because Patrick Mahomes can throw the
ball out of the football stadium literally, why does that
mean you can't have a good run game too. I
mean like they Kareem Hunt was leading the NFL and
rushing before he got suspended last year. No, no, I
thought you meant Mahomes running the ball. I see what
you're saying. So they have there on running game though
you're right about that obviously, Um do you have a

(01:25:31):
good running game to go with that? Pass the game
and they'll use the pass to set up the run
and that. But Lamar Jackson now oh for two in
the playoffs, when do people start to question about if
this guy is really the next level quarterback, if this
is the way that team should emulate, and if this
guy really is a playoff type quarterback or is it
just again another bad game. You can disagree with me,

(01:25:52):
and if you do, I won't blame you. I need
to see one more year where he doesn't live up
to it. I think last year we can. We can
lump last year and this year together. But last year
the team was built on defense, it was built on
him not making mistakes, and they ran into a good
Chargers team at home in the playoffs. This year, everything
was built around him. He was the NFL, he will

(01:26:13):
be the NFL m v P, and he had a
bad night. If it happens next year, it's to me
it's a trend. I'm not ready to go there just yet.
You know, at first I was gonna ask you this question.
I'm gonna say, well, this sounds like a stupid question
with an easy answer, But I'm not so sure it's stupid.
I'm not so sure it's an easy answer. What would
happen if Tennessee at a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes was it?
Would that mean there would be like one of the

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best teams of all time with his passing game and
with Derrick Henry's running game, or would that take away
from somebody in the passing game or the running game.
It's a great question. I mean, listen, you can always
use more dynamic players at the most important positions. But
he's gonna want to you know, you know, Patrick Homes
gonna say, I want to air it out. I'm not
running the ball like that though, exactly. And that's what

(01:26:55):
I was gonna say, is I do think eventually, and
it's it's it's the thing too write where you know,
you get the new toy, you want to use it,
and um, you have Patrick Mahomes, a guy of his talent,
you want to let him rip. And so I think
it would take a little bit away from the fact
that you have Derrick Henry, the most dominant running back,
the most dominant running game in the league. Uh So, listen,

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I think this team is built to win this way.
I think you'd like to see a little bit more
out of your quarterback. But let's be honest, I don't
know that it was Ryan Tannehill didn't do a lot
tonight as much as that he just wasn't asked to
do a lot tonight. So b Alex brings up a
good point, and I think I'm gonna take his side
on this stick of genius? How was it garbage time?

(01:27:37):
Stat padding? At one point in the fourth quarter of
the Ravens had the ball in Titans territory with a
chance to cut the lead to eight. Absolutely, and so
is that Well, but is that garbage that time when
it's a one score game, it's about to go from
a two score game down to a one score game?
Is that garbage time or what it's not garbage time? Well,
it is garbage time and the Titans are obviously going

(01:27:58):
to prevent defense. Listen, we he can have a great
season while having had a bad game. This is this
is what drives me crazy, especially about social media, is
that you know, whenever, whenever everyone's in agreement on something,
somebody has to come in and say yeah. But I
always call them the yeah but guy on Twitter. I
could say the sky is blue and they'd be like yeah,

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But if there's a rainstorm, then it's gray. And it's like, dude,
shut up, it's blue. We all know it's blue. Lamar
Jackson had a bad game. There's nothing wrong with saying
he had a bad game. We're not criticizing the totality
of his twenty nineteen season. But he had a bad
game tonight. I'm just gonna there's a lot of quarterbacks
out there that wouldn't mind take it three yards pass,

(01:28:40):
three yards rushing. Sure, And there's a lot more quarterbacks
that would take the win that Ryan Tannehill got tonight.
What what am I gonna say about that? But that's
my point though, is why why does it have to
be like we have to defend Lamar Jackson to the
end of the earth, no matter what. He did not
play well today when they needed him, he didn't not
come through. It doesn't make him a bad quarterback. It

(01:29:02):
doesn't make him a bad person. It doesn't mean he
shouldn't be m VP, it doesn't mean he won't win
future MVPs. But tonight, when they needed him, when they
needed him to make plays, he had a big fumble,
he had two interceptions, and he got most of his
stats when the game was already well out of hand.
All right again, Aaron underscore Torres if you want to
get into the show on Twitter, I'm at stinking Genius one.

(01:29:23):
Tomorrow's games Texas and Kansas City. Any chance we get
a Titans type upset with the Texans at Kansas City?
Or is that gonna be too much. As Texans, I
didn't think look good against the Bills, but they did
pull out that victory. Um, any chance we get another
upsders that too much. As for Torres, I think the
big thing to me, and I'm sure you'd probably agree
with this, Arnie, the Texans have made this cute little

(01:29:46):
habit of falling behind everybody. Yeah, yeah, that's not gonna
cut it in the playoffs. But go I have a
sooner water that will catch up to you. It's not
gonna cut it in the playoffs, especially against Patrick Mahomes,
because Patrick Mahomes can put his foot on your throat
and turn a seven nothing game or fourteen nothing game
into thirty one nothing really quick. And so even when
these two teams played early in the season, that Houston

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Texans fell down seventeen to three after the first quarter,
I don't think they can risk it. For whatever it is.
I don't know if it's the players, if it's the coaches, whatever,
they cannot afford to do that they are not gonna
win in casey if they fall behind early. All right,
look this up for me. Are we assure DeShawn Watson
is an elite quarterback. I'm just kind of wondering. I

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don't know, look on their elite quarterbacks to see if
it's pictures and there because we look at it. Look
at U real quick because everybody keeps shoving that down
my throat. Now, I think he's a really good quarterback,
but I'm not ready to put him in my top
five and get him walking him down the street through
the Hall of Fame. Very inconsistent and look, you to
get the win last week, sooner or later, that's gonna
come back and bite you when you're not consistent like that. Yeah,

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I'll tell you this. I googled elite quarterbacks. His picture
wasn't in their first three pictures. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Patrick Mahomes the other three quarterbacks that are playing tomorrow.
How do you like that? I love it so now
I listen to kid is special. I love him. He
makes The thing I love about Deshaun Watson too, is
he makes clutch plays. But he's very inconsistent though Aaron,

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I think what he does and this is something he's
gotta I think he relies too much on his own
talent in terms of he makes a lot of throws
he shouldn't make. He runs balls that he shouldn't run,
but he wins games. I mean, listen, he won the
division again. He's got him. In the second round of
the playoffs, they beat the Bills. So I don't know
what is the game plan for the Texans to beat

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Kansas City. I mean, do you just say, okay, you
run the ball if you want, But we're gonna make
sure Mahomes isn't gonna beat us. We're gonna blitz Someone're
gonna put some extra rush on him, and we're gonna
be in passing defense. We don't deal with the run
right now, because you'll clab us if we worry about that. Well,
it's really funny because in the first game they completely

(01:31:53):
control time of possession. How do you like this, Thirty
out of sixty minutes they had the ball and Carlos
Hyde rushed for a hundred sixteen yards. And so that's
what it is. It's the same thing that Titans did
today with Lamar Jackson. The um the Houston Texas have
to do with Patrick Mahomes, which just keep him off
the field first and foremost, and of course the big

(01:32:13):
game we haven't even mentioned yet. The Seahawks go in
the Green Bay. You know, I was listening to R. J.
Bell one week. Um, this was about four or five
weeks ago, and they were explaining how the Seahawks are
like one of the luckiest teams of all time in
the NFL. And I don't mean by lucky by the
word lucky, lucky by their record did not match up
to their point plus minus ratio. And he went into

(01:32:36):
the whole thing, Um, is this Seattle team lucky? Um?
And what happens when they go to Green Baby as
I really like the Packers, even though I think it's
gonna be a close game. I love the Packers in
this one. Uh, you know I do too, And I
think the thing with Seattle is Listen, they beat up
a banged up Eagles team with a backup quarterback who,

(01:32:56):
as we found out, had a hamstring injury on top
of everything. Geez, and I look at the last month,
month and a half. If you look at the Seahawks
in the last five games dating back to the regular season,
there two and three their wins were against the Panthers.
Don't know if you heard fired their coach. Uh, don't

(01:33:17):
have a quarterback that we know of. Just yet. And
the Eagles game last week where they were playing against
Josh m Josh McCown on one hamstring, so I get
the excitement. I get it's hard to bet against Russell Wilson,
but at Lambeau cold Weather, I kind of like the
Packers here. How much pressure on Aaron Rodgers right now?

(01:33:38):
Probably more pressure on him than any other quarterback still left,
I think so, And I thought it was interesting that
he even talked about it this week, Aaron Rodgers about
like this idea of like, I know that the clock
is ticking. I think about it every day. I certainly
think that, I would say the most pressures on him.
Do you think there's some on Patrick Mahomes too, though,
I mean more so maybe the Chiefs organization, Andy and

(01:34:02):
definitely Andy Reid. But I would say the Chief's organization,
especially for those home games that they continue to lose
their playoffs, sooner or later, um, they've got to have
the breakthrough. This might be there a year, though it
certainly looking like it's signing up to be I'll tell
you you know, I was talking to the guys in
the back. I really I know we're not supposed to
root for people in the NFL. I'm kind of rooting

(01:34:23):
for Andy Reid. Yeah, you know, obviously he had the
personal situation with his kid and he was so he
was on the doorstep for so many years in Philly,
and I thought, you know, listen, it was time. More
than four times in a row they went to the
NFC Championship game, I believe exactly, and it was it
time for him to go, probably, But it doesn't mean
that he's not a good coach. I hope he gets this, uh,

(01:34:44):
the opportunity to go to another super I mean, you
could actually make this better rooting it just for the coaches.
I mean Pete Carroll, uh not so much. Green Bagel
coach with the floor. He's brand new for the most
Mike Brabels got a lot on the line, we found out, Yeah,
no doubt about that. Bill O'Brien, Uh, certainly there. And
you mentioned Andy Reid, so that's a pretty good storyline also.

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But I would think that Andy Reid's kind of like
the sentimental favorite he is. He missed my point. I'm
Mike rabe will having a lot on the line, by
the way, but what I what I missed? You know,
he's got he's you know he made some promises if
they win the Super Bowl. That's I see what you
just saying? Are you huh? Listen? He said it publicly. Yeah,
if I said something like that on air, you would
you would hold me to it, even though I would

(01:35:26):
hold you to it. Yes, yeah, yeah, even though you've
threatened to quit this job about seven times. I believe
it was if the Rockets win the championship was the
first one. There's been quite a few. So all right,
you want to get in Aaron Underscore tour as I've
been sticking Genius one. When we get back, we go
out to Vegas. Bertie Faddle stops on by what is
Vegas saying about the games today? Which way is the
line moving for the games tomorrow and the championship game

(01:35:48):
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a Marty Span You're gett into the show. Aaron Underscore Tours.
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he comes up after us tonight in about forty minutes
of the show with Steve Physick. It's our buddy, Bernie
Fraddles straight out of Vegas. Bernie, I'll give you something.
October the Titans four hundred to one to win the

(01:36:52):
Super Bowl, not one single bet according to Caesar's I
thought you put a thousand dollars on them for me
back then. What's going on here? Bernie? What's up? I
did n't. I'm just sitting by. I'll trade you your
serve for the ticket, though, I I that's about the
only thing that I would give that wonderful thirup You
set me up for But I gotta tell you look out.
I mean, the last time a number six seed beat

(01:37:13):
the number one seed was two thousand and ten when
Rex Rhymes New York Jets beat the New England Patriots,
and uh in Tennessee now eight no, when Derek Henry
rushes for a hundred yards. But let's not bury the
lead guys, because the books did okay in this game.
Fifty of the tickets were on the Ravens. But on
game day someone walked into South Point put eighty four

(01:37:36):
thousand on the Ravens money line Mino eight paid seventeen five,
but you had to win, so he got nothing. And
like this, and then someone wentted the CG technology about
an hour before kickoff and uh and put fifty five
grand to win fifty grand on Baltimore minus ten. And
and one of the things that also did the day

(01:37:56):
was kill all the teasers that would have been teased
to you know, you know, pick your pick your poison
Kansas City tomorrow or San Francisco today. So books did
pretty well in that game. We've been talking so much
NFL Burnie. We haven't even gone to the College Football
National Championship Game. Monday. Everything I've read is that all
the money's coming to an L s U. What do

(01:38:17):
you finding out spot on Aaron, it's sizing up, first
of all, not only to be the heaviest bet college
football game of all time action, it's incredibly lopsided, and
it's also shaping up to be a classic pros versus
Joe's game. About eighty five of the bets around L

(01:38:39):
s U. The line has been kind of topsy turvy.
It's been L s U minus five and a half
and got the six. It even touched six and a
half today at the Golden Nugget. It's now back down
to five and a half. You're starting to see the
professional money coming in, but still all the big bets
are on l s U. Uh, the director of risk

(01:38:59):
management it's EG Technology, reported that one particular better has
two hundred thousand on L s U. On Tuesday one,
this player came in put a hundred and ten grand
to win a hundred on minus L s U minus
five five and a half, and then another ninety grand
in L s U minus six. Wayne Hill is seeing
incredible one way action on the game. Cent of the

(01:39:23):
money is on l s U. One particular book today
noted that the L s U tickets outnumbered the Clemson tickets.
Fifty one takes into account, you know all the twenty
dollar bets and ten dollar bets and thirty dollar bets.
But I gotta tell you guys, for the record, I
fired on Clemson. I got him plus six. I think
they've got an sec quality defense. I love Dabbo Sweeney.

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He's eight and one versus undefeated foes. He's only been
a dog nineteen times in his career. He's fourteen and
five against the spread. Remember, a number one seed has
number one, And I love Brent Venable's defense. This is
a defense that held every opponent except one to their
seasonal low yards this year. They're only allowing five point

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five yards per pass compared to L s US eleven
yards per pass. And one last thing, in this format,
the dog is five and oh against the spread all
time in the college football championship games. If this happens,
the books will have a big day Monday night. Bernie,
any good props on Monday night, Because my brothers in

(01:40:27):
Vegas right now. He actually bet fifty bucks unborn to
be the first touchdown today and he got twenty to
one odds on that, so not too I go, why
did you belt like a foul for crying out loud? Um?
Any good props for a Monday, there will be a
ton of good props. Any championship game you'll have, you know,

(01:40:48):
first half, second half, you'll have who scores the first touchdown,
all that kind of stuff, and probably what you're gonna
find if you would, if you would show up, I
would say, like the South Point is one of the
better properties that do a great job. They probably have
their proper list out there right now. One of the
big props you'll see. That's a lot of fun that

(01:41:09):
the pros like. The fire on is there will be
more scoring in the second half then there will be
in the first half. So it's yeah, and and part
of the reason the pros like to jump on that
is because the rust factor, right the offenses aren't clicking,
and you know there's a there's a nerve factor, so
you know you come out in the first half. Maybe

(01:41:30):
there's I think the total for the games like sixty nine,
but I haven't I haven't seen the number. But usually
the second half there's more scoring in the first half.
That's one of the more popular props. And Aaron, I
think you talked about the three week rest factor for Baltimore,
and I think you're right. You never know how that's
gonna pan out, but clearly in Baltimore's case, they simply
weren't sharp very good. Let's get back to the NFL

(01:41:53):
in that case, h case tomorrow, we'll start with the
first game, Arnie and I just spent a bunch of
time breaking it down. What what do you finding out
about that game? Bernie? Yeah? What's money lying on that one? Too? Uh?
I believe Kansas City's minus four eighty on the money line.
The current the current line is minus nine and a
half about six. The money is on the Chiefs. We

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know that Houston beat Casey by a touchdown back in
week sixty one, twenty four, but that's when Holmes had
the bumb ankle. You know, this Texans defense is really leaky, man.
I mean, this feels like a serious mismatch. The Texans
are the only team in the playoffs with a negative
point differential. They've given up seven more points than they've

(01:42:36):
scored this year. Meanwhile, the Chiefs are plus one forty three.
Andy Reid takes a lot of heat, but he's won
twelve playoff games. I gotta believe Patrick Mahomes is licking
his chops because you look at the Chiefs past defense
at ranks and in three key categories, and I gotta

(01:42:56):
tell you there is a history in the NFL Division
road teams that you know, enter a game with a
point deficit like uh, like Houston has this year. They're
oh and seventh straight up, one and six against the spread,
unlike Baltimore tonight. I got a funny feeling Kansas City's
gonna house these guys. Seahawks and the Packers in Green Bay. Um,

(01:43:17):
I've never seen a top two team like Green Baby
doubted so much. I know you guys in Vegas think
Seattle is a lucky team. I heard r J talking
about that. The numbers show that they maybe are not
as good as that record indicates. Which way is the
money coming in? And what do you like in this game? Yeah,
all good questions are on the tickets are on the Seahawks.

(01:43:38):
I think you have to cre credit that to be
rust of the Russell Wilson Magic Show. He's eight and
one on the road this year, six two and one
against the spread on the road this year. Russell Wilson, However,
interestingly enough, only ow and three lamboul feeling his career.
But the Packers haven't exactly been stellar in the playoffs,
five and five in their last ten playoff games. Seattle

(01:44:01):
is a notorious slow starter since two thousand and twelve.
They're only averaging like six points in the first quarter
of forty nine rushing yards. But you know, and they
can't afford to dig out of a hole tomorrow night.
But we believe actually green Bay is a little overrated
to the only outscore their opponents by sixty three points.
And I think it's a matter of can Seattle get

(01:44:21):
any kind of running game, because if they can't, you know,
they only had sixty four yards against the Eagles and
still managed to win two point five yards a kerry.
But I think it's a matter of the fact that
green Bay is home in lambeau Field. You have to
give him the edge, all right. Last thing, Bertie, Um,
is it too late to jump on the Titans to

(01:44:42):
win the Super Bowl? What kind of I mean? It
was four to one odds in October? What am I
gonna get nowt any you know, what can I get
on that we don't know yet, but i'll have it
tomorrow night by this time, aren't when you're on the air,
and I'll send both you guys a direct tweet. It'll
be set, I would day. Right now you're looking probably
eleven to one, twelve to one, and they'll be a

(01:45:03):
little bit of a house. I gotta tell you. I
want to tell you guys. Last Wednesday was the twenty
year anniversary of the Music City Miracles, and I know
because I was on Buffalo. Thank you very much, But
this is Yogi Bart would say. This team and that team,
I think you have different similarities. They had Eddie George.
This team's got Derrick Henry. They had Steve McNair. This

(01:45:26):
team's got Ryan Tannehill. Very similar styles. That team had
Jeff Fisher, who had also played for the eighty five Bears.
This team's got Mike Vrabel, who played for Super Bowl
champion New England. Teams that you know featured great defense.
This Tennessee team has a weird vibe to it. They
remind me of that scene in Jurassic Park where the

(01:45:46):
two people are hiding in the kitchen and the Vellas
raptors are after him and they locked the door and
they say, don't worry. I don't think these dinosaurs know
how to turn the handle of a door. And the
next thing you know, the camera pans down and the
handles turning, and you say to yourself, it's Tennessee. They've
cracked the code on New England, and now let cracked
the code on Baltimore. And oh, by the way, guys,

(01:46:07):
if Tennessee goes to Houston next week, there'll be a
one point dog. If they go to Casey, there'll be
an eight point dog. Stay tuned, alright, he's Bernie Fratto
straight out of Vegas coming up at the top of
the hour with Steve Fezik. A must listen. Can't wait
to hear you tonight, Bernie, thanks for stopping by. Good
to be with you, guys. Thank you, Bernie, Bernie Fratto. Everyone, man,

(01:46:27):
do I wish I lived in Vegas? You have my
brother bet fifty dollars on born to have the first
touchdown twenty to one odds. That's a nice thou in
his pocket. Better be sharing that with me, Torres. Let's
check in again last night to see what's trending, or
last time tonight to see what's trending. Whether Buddy Steve
the second what's going on to say? And Bernie mentioned
what a big upset this is Tennessee winning twelve at

(01:46:50):
Baltimore in the playoffs tonight. The fact that it's been
almost a decade since we've seen a number one seed
lose to a number six. How about this since the
merger that's fifty years ago. For a team to lead
the NFL in scoring regular season and then open the
playoffs and only get twelve points, that's never happened before
until tonight. So talk about crushing. And then you throw

(01:47:11):
on the fact that Lamar Jackson and the Ravens in
the playoffs twelve months ago, we're getting booed and down
twenty three three in the fourth quarter at home. It's
just wow. This is a one, big wow. And I
mentioned on the show before you guys, I realized that
Baltimore was so good they didn't fall behind much. But
they now finished this season plus tonight's playoff game. Anytime

(01:47:33):
the Ravens were down by more than seven points at
any point in any game, they did not win. And
they were down fourteen nothing to Ryan Tannehill in the
first half tonight, did not come back to win Lamar
Jackson with three turnovers. He piled up the numbers. In fact,
here's another record, the fact that the Ravens out gained
their opponent in a playoff game five hundred thirty yards

(01:47:56):
to three hundred. That's the worst yardage differ renial in
a playoff loss in the history of the NFL. Before tonight,
teams that were out gaining their opponents by that much
we're thirty and oh and yet they couldn't come through
and get the w tonight despite only punting ones. Despite
running ninety two plays in this game, Baltimore was stopped

(01:48:17):
on fourth down four different times, including on the last
couple of drives. Derrick Henry thirty carries a hundred ninety
five yards. He also threw a touchdown pass. Wow, and
by the way, three total touchdowns for Ryan Tanniel because
he had a t d run in the third quarter.
I got him up six running back mark Ingram of
the Ravens with the calf injury just six carries, just
one reception. So the Titans, who won last Saturday Night

(01:48:40):
at New England, when tonight at top seed Baltimore and
the raven season is done. A team that had won
twelve straight, a team that had beaten San Francisco and
beaten Seattle and New England and Buffalo and Houston, etcetera.
They are out the top seeds in the NFC very
much alive. San Francisco pounded Minnesota twenty seven to ten.
The Vikings were held to seven first downs under a

(01:49:01):
hundred fifty total yards. Kirk Cousins was sacked six times. Meanwhile,
Tevin Coleman had two short touchdown runs and over a
hundred yards rushing. Minnesota as a team on the ground
ten carries twenty one yards today, So San Francisco in
the regular season was the number one rushing team NFC.
Minnesota was number four in rushing one thirty three a game.
On the ground, they had twenty one yards rushing. Not

(01:49:24):
today at Minnesota's by the way, I saw ustat You know,
they've loaded up with first rounders on the defensive line
this first playoff game where they had four different first
rounders each get a sack. In the same playoff game,
Minnesota's offense starting late first half today did not get
a first down for over twenty seven minutes. That's almost
half game that stretch. Minnesota still hasn't won back to

(01:49:46):
back playoff games since the nineteen eighty seven season, and
the Vikings franchise last Super Bowl appearance still goes back
to Chuck form in nineteen seventy six. It has been
a while. The Vikings did have that TD pass in
the first quarter forty one yards. Aside from that, for
the game, Minnesota had forty four plays only a hundred
six yards. They had won in overtime last Sunday, while

(01:50:09):
San Francisco earned the bye week. Boy was there a
difference on the field today between these two. Jimmy Garoppolo
though one touchdown pass but one more interception. Garoppolo fifteen
turnovers in his seventeen games so far this season. But
the forty Niners will host the NFC title game on
Fox TV a week from Sunday. The Niners the top
seed in the NFC. The Niners had missed the playoffs

(01:50:30):
previous five years, in fact, failed to finish over five
hundred each year, so this was their first ever playoff
game in Santa Clara, which is about forty miles south.
College football's national title game. Of course, Monday night, NBA
Lakers won their eighth straight Milwaukee one again. Boston and
Houston got victories. College hoops number four Baylor won at
number three Kansas sixty fifty five. Baylor had been oh

(01:50:52):
and seventeen at Kansas all time. Auburn ranked fifth one.
San Diego State ranks seventh won. Those two are each defeated. Still,
Indiana handed Ohio State a fourth straight loss. Syracuse one
in overtime at Virginia, and Clemson one in overtime at
North Carolina. Clemson's first ever victory in Chapel Hill. They

(01:51:13):
were fired. They were oh and fifty nine at North
Carolina all time, and the tar Heels today blew a
ten point lead in the last two minutes of regulation
and North Carolina, still coached by Roy Williams, by the way,
has lost seven of nine. Final item Bill Cower going
to the Hall of Fame? Did you see this on
the telecast before the playoff game tonight? They brought the

(01:51:36):
Hall of Fame president onto the set to surprise Bill
Cauer and announced that he's in. You might wonder, how
how do we know someone's in the Hall already? We're
not too super Bowl weekend. Remember this is the centennial
year for the NFL and for the class of there
will be twenty Hall of Famers, the Centennial slate as
they're calling at the regular five will get the night

(01:51:57):
before the Super Bowl from the selection committee, but also
ten seniors and three contributors and two head coaches, Bill
Kauer and whoever we here on Wednesday morning with the
next announcement, which will be either Jimmy Johnson or Mike
Holmgren or somebody like that. Although look up the stats.
Bill Kaer and Mike Tomlin's career stats are almost identical,
and Tomlin a little better winning percentage and has never

(01:52:19):
had a losing season. So keep that in mind down
the road for Tomlin. Maybe back to you. By the way,
remind me to call out the night of the Hall
of Fame inductions because that's gonna be a lot that's
gonna be. They might as well start the speeches now.
Twenty people are getting in. That's a lot of speeches.
That is a lot of speeches, all right, Thanks to Seger.
Welcome back to the Fox Sports Radio studios. It's brought

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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier. Um,
A bunch of people on Twitter kind of coming to
the defense of Lamar Jackson against people like you said
he didn't play a good game. Uh, there's saying we're
being a little harsh on him. So he did play
a good game. Three five yards passing a hundred Listen,

(01:53:05):
yards rushing is not a bad game. I would think
the two interceptions in the fumble is the bad part.
And James Harden averages thirty six points a game in
the playoffs and it doesn't matter because his team doesn't win. Like,
you can put up big stats that are meaningless, and
the big stats are meaning less. Listen. I love Lamar Jackson.
We all enjoyed watching him. But stop, and I'm not
saying you, but two people listening stop, Like he played

(01:53:27):
a bad game. Yeah, it's okay to say he played
a bad game. We don't have to defend him. He's
not a child. He played a bad game. He was
on the podium after the game saying, um, it's only
my second year in the league. We have a good team,
will bounce back, blah blah blah. But obviously very defensive
the way the media was coming after him, And now
he's all in two in the playoffs right now. Yeah,
and listen, I still think his best football is ahead

(01:53:49):
of him. I still think he's gonna be fine in
the big picture. But Arnie, what do you always say?
We do the show tonight? And tonight he lost as
a nine point favorite at home as the team with
the numb one seed in the a f C home
field advantage. He was bad when his team needed him.
He did not make plays. He put up a lot
of stats after they were already down by twenty plus points.

(01:54:10):
These are all facts. Texans are playing Kansas City tomorrow. Uh.
As much as I would like to say that this
is gonna be a close game, it's not. I think
Kansas City should route them and it shouldn't be close.
I don't care what the weather is going to be like,
too much offense there. I can see Kansas City blowing
them out, or we could have another Titans type game here,
or what I think it'll be close. After watching the

(01:54:34):
Titans last tonight, I have trouble saying that anybody's gonna
blow out anybody. Just the way that these playoffs are
going all the games really except for Seattle and and
uh Philly were closed, so you know, up until tonight.
But so to me, I just think that the Texans
can score. They can score and bunches the big thing
for that game. They cannot fall behind like they have

(01:54:56):
in the past. And of course the Shawn Watson can't
be inconsistent. He's been and I know people are gonna
jump down my throat on that, but I don't think
he's lived up to the hype that people are giving him.
I need to see a lot more and it's got
to start here now. You don't think Deshaun Watson lived
up to the hype. No, I think he's overvalued right now.
I think people are putting um too much on a pedestal.

(01:55:17):
I think he's too inconsistent to be one of those
top five type quarterbacks. He's still got a long way
to go or allot to learn. Yeah, I think he's
got a long way to go. But I've been really
impressed with him. I mean, he has some natural gifts
that I don't know if anybody has quite I guess
Lamar would be the only one that in terms of speed, elusiveness, toughness,
the thing that I love about him, which I also

(01:55:37):
think is one of his biggest problems. He just puts
his body out there. Man. Even last week against the Bills,
he wasn't afraid to die for that pylon. I love
watching him. I think he can be elite. I think
he is special. Uh, he's got He's going up against
somebody else pretty special tomorrow too. You brought this up.
A lot of pressure on Aaron Rodgers. Packers what five

(01:55:58):
and five in their last ten games in the playoffs.
This is another golden opportunity. It's not like they're the favorite,
but they're right up there, and they're playing at home.
Seattle is gonna be a tough go around, but they
had the bye week. How's this when the uh, you know,
how do you see this one? It's kind of crazy.
The Packers haven't been in the playoffs since two thousand sixteen.
Their last playoff game was against the Falcons in the

(01:56:20):
NFC Championship game that year, which seems like a million
years ago. But no, I think I think the press
there are another one. The pressures on them. I think
the pressures on them even more than the Chiefs, almost
in the way that the pressure was on the Ravens
tonight in that not only are they home, but they're
comfortable favorite. We know the Seahawks are banged up, we
know they have a bye, we know that they have

(01:56:41):
kind of the the weather advantage in terms of being
in Green Bay. I think there's just a lot of
pressure on Green Bay tomorrow. Dickson says that he dried
up coach those Kansas City can handle clock management. Let's
go with the Shawn and Trevor back to back days.
And by the way, this L. S U love is ludicrous.
Clemson is stacked with an undefeated quarter back in defending champions.

(01:57:01):
We'll get into that, but one question on that one.
Are we giving a little too much love for ls
you or what you know? We? You and I sit
in the sit in these chairs every Saturday night. UM.
I had a lot of doubts about Joe Burrow throughout
the regular season. I just can't bet against the guy.
I mean, think about everybody that he's beaten. This year's
one at Alabama. Beat George on the road, or he

(01:57:22):
beat George on a neutral site. He beat Oklahoma, he
beat Florida, he beat Oliver. Those are all top fifteen
teams right now. I mean, I don't know how we
can pick anybody other than them, even though clemsing the
way that they're playing. Aaron underscore, Torres, I'm in stinking
genius one our picks coming up next right here on
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top of the hour, Bernie and Steve Physics straight out

(01:58:07):
of Vegas will give you the Vegas perspective of what
they thought about the game today and what's gonna happen tomorrow,
plus the Monday night championship game. Um. Also, I want
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Give us a little music, put us in the mood.
Let's get to our picks. Let's start with Kansas City

(01:58:28):
and Houston. I'm not gonna mess around with this because
I think Kansas City is going to destroy them. No
upset here. I don't see the Texans doing what the
Titans did. I think, uh, Deshaun Watson too inconsistent. Kansas
City is gonna be able to put points on the board.
Their defense a lot better than people giving them credit for.
I think this one's going to be a route. I

(01:58:48):
like Kansas City minus de nine. I like the over
fifty one because I think Kansas City is gonna put
forty plus points on the board. Final score Kansas City
forty one, Texans set Evan teen. I feel the exact opposite. Listen,
I think the Texans, I mean they are who they are. Listen.
They beat the Patriots, they beat the Chiefs once already

(01:59:10):
this year. I'm not saying they're the perfect team and
they're perfectly well coached, but nine points, ten points, depending
on what book you're betting at, that's a lot of
points for a team that has yeah one their division.
Just beat the Bills. I like the Texans to cover,
but the Chiefs to win out right over under a
high scoring game, will scoring game you said, I mean

(01:59:32):
it's gonna be cold and windy, I don't know about
high scoring. I take the under all right, green Bay
take it on Seattle. Look, I think there's gonna be
another close game. I worry about Aaron Rodgers, no doubt
about that. But when it comes to push and shove,
green Bay is playing at home. Green Bay. Of course,

(01:59:53):
with the rest green Bay has been under valued all
year long. Are they gonna be able to get enough offense?
That depends on Aaron Rodgers. I think he gives him
enough offense. How about that. I got the final score
green Bay twenty three, Seattle twenties. So I guess I'm
saying to take Seattle plus the four and I'm gonna

(02:00:14):
go with the under forties six and that one. So
I am as big of a Russell Wilson advocate as
there is. But if you look at the back end
of the Seahawks schedule, they went two and three down
in their In their last five, they went two and three.
One of the wins was against Carolina. As you may
have heard, they fired their coach, Kyle Allen is not

(02:00:36):
their quarterback of the future, and of course beat Philly
last week. Philly was playing with about their eleventh string
quarterback on one Ham string forty years old. He's an
Arnadie spanierds age bracket. I'm not saying that's a very
impressive resume over the last couple of months, over the
last couple of weeks. Excuse me. I like Russell Wilson.
I just think he is too shorthanded. Green Bay. They

(02:00:57):
know how important this game is. Aaron Rodgers knows how
important this game is for his legacy. I like Green
Bay to win by double figures. Wow. And last but
not least, the National championship game on Monday. Boy, that
was so quick. We don't have another month to wait
for that. For crying out loud, no other meaningless bowl
games we could watch. Um, this is gonna be the

(02:01:19):
one for the Ages. How there's so much love for
L s U. I understand that, and we're certainly forgetting
about what Clemson's accomplished and Davo has been able to
do down there. But I gotta go ahead and take
L s U. I'm going to take L s U
to win, but I like Clemson plus the five and

(02:01:40):
a half final score LSU seven, Clemson thirty four, So
take the over sixty nine. Also, that feels about right
to me. Arnie listen. We do this show every single
week in this time slot. I bet against Joe Burrow
against Texas. I bet against him against Florida. I bet
against him against by Emma. I'm done betting against Joe Burrow.

(02:02:04):
L s U thirty eight, Clemson thirty one. The Tigers
are your national champion. Wow. Let's wrap things up. Thanks
to don our technical producer out there, Eric Roberts, producing
the show. Of course, the Sagara on the updates. Thanks
to Bernie and Steve Physick for stopping on. I remember
they're coming up at the top of the hour, the
Vegas perspective on what is going on with today's games

(02:02:26):
as well as tomorrow and on Monday, so you'll certainly
go to go ahead and want to listen to that.
For my partner eron Torres, I'm already Spanier. This is
Fox Sports Radio.

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