FOX Football Sunday with Hartman and Ohrnberger: 01/05/2020

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(00:24):
I mean? The playoffs are here. We have to we
gotta bring this to the next len. This is how
it was described to me in New England Belichick himself.
He said, the playoffs have their own tempo. You need
to bring a whole different attitude to the table. All

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right now, we have been sitting here week after week
after week anywhere from you know, seven to ten games,
trying to orchestrate all the chaos. This will not be
the case. We have one game kicking off right now.
That will be the Vikings on the road against the
City as as we get to the NFC side of
the wild card weekend. But as we sit here today,

(01:08):
we still have to reflect on what happened yesterday, especially
what happened last night as the defending champion New England
Patriots got bounced in a game that I still cannot believe.
You know, here's here's been the thing about the Patriots,
and you know this as a former Patriot, we have

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written the obituary of this dynasty many times, almost annually.
There's some point early in the season, mid season, late
in the season, they have a bad game and everyone
starts writing the obituary. It's over, and then they bounce back.
So I'm thinking after that disaster against Miami in their
final game at home, and it wasn't a must game

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because they were in the playoffs, Okay, they had won
the a f C East. Okay, so they're gonna have
to play a wild card game. But there's no way
they're gonna lose consecutive games at home, especially when they're
facing Ryan Tannehill. It's just not gonna happen. So I'm
watching this game last night. You know, it's four and
a half time, alread Titans are hanging in there, but

(02:13):
I'm not really worried. And then the second half happens
and the Patriots probably the fourth time ever in forty
one playoff games, and Tom Brady as their quarterback, gets
shut out in a half. But it's not just shut
out and a half it's the second half at home
against the Tennessee Titans. I I I want to ask you,

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because you're a lot closer to this than I am,
with your connection with the Patriots organization, is it still
too soon to write the obituary on the Patriots dynasty?
Of course, of course, because even though this was as
bad of a season offensively as as we've really seen

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from the Patriots in recent memory, it's been as bad
of a year statistically for Tom Brady as we've seen
in recent memory. They're they're still alive because what Belichick
was able to do, even cobble a postseason run, albeit
a wild card birth, was impressive. And I've said this

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about the Patriots, I actually say the same thing about
the Eagles. I mean, this has been a lost season
because you you really had no weapons, and whose fault
that is? I mean you could talk about personnelit you
could talk about injuries, you could talk about never replacing Gronky,
can talk about all those things, poor drafting of uh

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you know, positional players, you know, skill position players, you
could you could blame all that, but for whatever reason,
it just didn't come together, didn't and didn't gel this season.
The offensive line with their injuries and their poor play
has been a big contributing factor as well. But defensively,
they were still top three for the majority of the season.
They weren't top three giving up those yards against Miami. Look,

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I mean, so my point is, as long as Belichick
is the head coach of the Patriots, the dynasty has
a chance because to me, to me, and this is
one man's opinion who have played for that organization and
has seen for the inner workings, as long as Bill
Belichick is coaching whatever team he's coaching, they're a dangerous team.

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All right, let's let's let's go to the Brady situation.
So post game, he was Brady. I mean, and in
a lot of ways, he in Belichick have a similar
tact with the media. They're not gonna give you anything
of substance. They're gonna play around the edges. And and
that was fine. I you know, what else is he
gonna say? You know, people were asking him, you know, okay,
do your final pass ever as a Patriot is a

(04:49):
pick six? He's like, yeah, you know whatever, I mean,
he was, he wasn't going to give you anything a substance,
But let me ask you this right now, if you're
Tom Brady. The one thing that I sort of gathered
in wa watching is is that he wants to keep
his options open. Right I want to. I wanna maybe
for the first time, I'm gonna test the landscape. And
let's say I'll give you three teams that could be

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in the play for Tom Brady. The Colts, the Cowboys,
and the Chargers. Let's just use those as three examples,
all right. And let's say he goes out as an
unrestricted free agent and he starts getting offers. In other words,
so and so has offered this offer, this, everything else.
Maybe he even gets a three year deal. I mean,
he said he wants to play the least forty five.

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Well guess what. There you go. If he comes back
to the Patriots, and let's say he's got some kind
of deal in place for more money than he was
making in New England, more years on the contract, do
you think the Patriots will counter that to keep him.
The money doesn't matter. Money doesn't matter to the Patriots. No, no,

(05:54):
it doesn't matter to Tom Brady. No miscalculation, No, Steve,
I have to stop you there. Well, it has false calculation.
If you're going to put money into this into there
is he's married to a billionaire. Uh, he's married. She's
not a billionaire, but she's rich. Yes, hundreds and hundreds
of millions of dollars together. Obviously they had. Money is

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not the issue. So what is the issue? The issue
here is legacy. This you here is competitiveness. This issue
here is do I still want to do it? Do
I have the drive? Look at forty two years old,
it's very easy to say, well, you just do what
you've always done. I mean, but think about the things
that you always did at twenty and then compare those
things when you're forty. Everything's harder, everything's hard. Is it

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going to get better when he's forty three? That's my point?
And the motivation to do everything you need to do
give me the motivation for him to continue other than
it really sucks to end my career with a pick six. Well,
a lot of careers end that way. I I understand
he just walked away. Last on the Payton Manning story,
where you come back from a horrific injury where people

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are doubting whether or not you'll be able to play
the sport again, and you have statistically some of your
best seasons capped with a super Bowl championship that you
had a lot to do with, you know, early in
that regular season, then again in the postseason when you
return to be the starter after suffering an injury that year,
and then you ride off into the sunset as a
winner with two teams. But the Painton Manning story is

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so aberrant, it is so unusual. This is how football
careers end. My football career before it started, I was
even shocked that it got off the ground. I was
a fourth round draft pick. I thought I was gonna
be undrafted. And we have a turnover right at the
beginning of the aginning of the game. We have an
Adam Feeling fumble Saints recover. So the opening kickoff the

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reception for the Vikings in New Orleans, something where they
could have made a stand right score first. The Saints
get the ball and they will after the half back.
This has been the big story. Worry for the Vikings
is that Deeling is back. Uh Dalvin Cook his backs
and it was generous Jenkins and was on the addition,

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he was caught by the Giants in the regular season.
The scene scoop him up with all their injuries and
he causes the turnover. You have Von Bell pick it
up and scramble before he steps out of bounds. So
this would be Saints baul. What a huge momentum turner
to start this game. All right, well this is not
look at I've been wrong about a lot of things

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so far. I mean, I mean, we we can go
to those two games yesterday were just nuts. I mean
I I thought the Bills really had a chance. And
guess what the line was? Two and a half Texas
or two and a half point favorite? Bills are up
sixteen nothing. I mean not only did the Texans when
they cover? Did I see New England losing again at

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home to Ryan Tannhilton? No, So my thought on this
game here as we get this game underway and again
the Saints, Uh, we're just less than a minute into
the game already a Saints are in scoring position after
the fumble by Adam Dealen. Is that Mike Zimmer. He
understands defense like no other. And if there's any guy

(09:14):
that can get his team ready to take on the
potent attack of the Saints, it's gonna be Mike Zimmer.
The line in this game seven a half. I don't
think so I would take Minnesota and the points. But
now if they're turning the ball over, but if you're
handing a short field to the Saints like we're seeing
at the beginning of this game right now, what the people?
What do the Vikings do exceedingly well? And I understand

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where you're coming from, but the Vikings, to me, are
a team that have had some impressive wins. There's no
doubt they've proven a lot of people wrong with just
how good they've been this season. But they're they're sort
of statistically a middling team. I mean, you look at
what they've done over the course of this season. Again,
in moments, they've done some big things, but but it's

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still I mean, and they're coming to this game imping,
like a lot of teams into the postseason. Dalvin Cook
an uncertainty as to how long he's actually gonna stay
on the field with a shoulder that he's recovering from.
I mean, look, the Saints are banged up to there's
issues there yet nagging ankle and knee injury from Alvin
Kamara throughout the season. So trust me, both sides are
I've been suffering that way. But the Vikings to me,

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I mean, this is a team that if they make
a run, if they can beat the Saints, that's about
as big of a story as you could possibly print.
Because they are such a middling team. That's sort of
snuck in here, all right. By the way, first play
of the game from Linus corimag Dalvin Cook nine yard run.
So that was his first carry nine yards. Then the

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next play is the throw of thealing, So immediately what
you know, Kirk Cousins was essentially saying in the first
two places, Dalvin Cook is back, Adam theal and is back.
We're at full strength. We're ready to roll. Unfortunately, Theealing
fumbling that ball and the Saints take over. All right,
when the guy of Fox Sports Radio Studios, we're just
getting started here. We've got this game. We still have

(11:04):
to figure out what happened yesterday. We're already gonna look
take to the divisional round. Are the Ravens and Chiefs
happy that we say bye bye to the a f
C East? Hello, a f C South? Does that work
in their favor? We're gonna break it down coming up next.
Fakes the handoff, rolls out, he completes the pass on

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the right sideline, took care of the balls out. The
balls out, it's picked up. The Saints are returning it.
Pawn bell thirty fifteen tries to come back down inside
the ten fawn bell with the phone bare return. Adam
Feeling had to catch on the sideline the poll at

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the thirty seven. It looks like they're gonna set it
that they stepped out there. W w L Saints Radio Network.
So the first opportunity to jump on the board is
the Saints. However, Vikings defense has held and the Saints
have settled for a field goal. So that was a
big stand by the Vikings defense, Uh, to hold the

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Saints to that field goal after that opening turnover Adam
Feeling fumbling right there. So three nothing Saints. We're at
nine two to go in the first quarter in that game.
And of course later on we're gonna get to the
other NFC battle between the Seahawks and the Eagles. Uh,
we're talking a little bit about the aftermath of what
happened yesterday in the a f C Wild Card Games.

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Obviously a lot. I mean, we we could we can
see here for four hours talking about the whole Brady
dynamic um because it's critical. I mean, when we talk
about the NFL, we're talking about a franchise that was
the team of the two thousands and the team of
the twenty tenths. I mean every every decade. You know,

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the Cowboys were the nineties, the forty niners were the eighties,
the seventies was the Steelers, the sixties was the Packers,
the fifties of the brown Every decade in the NFL
has had that dominant team. But you never had the
same team in two consecutive decades with the same head coach,
with the same quarterbacks. So they won three super Bowls
in the two thousand's, three super Bowls in nine over

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that stretch. That's almost a decade of a championship games.
So so when when you you can say, ah, enough enough,
enough of the no because when you look moving forward
for the NFL is now we're into the decade of
the twenties. Who's going to be the team of the twenties?

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The Patriots did it in two consecutive decades. So where
do we go from here? Well, you can't start the
twenties without figuring out first what's gonna happen with Belichick,
what's gonna happen a Brady. Uh. And by the way,
Bob Craft as well. So the decision on Tom Brady,

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how much input is going to come down to Bob Aft.
So if Tom Brady is suddenly tinkering with the idea
of going elsewhere, just tinkering with the idea, like, okay,
it's an option. Let's let me see what's out there.
Let's see what the Cowboys, Chargers, Colts, whatever team is
coming out of me. If you're Bob Kraft, do you

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call Tom Brady in and say, Tom, please, I never
ever ever want to see you in another uniform. I
don't want Joe Namath with the Rams. I don't want
Johnny and Iis with the Chargers. I don't want to
see Joe Montana with the Chiefs. I want you at
Smith with the Cardinals. The list goes on and on
and on. I don't want that. I want you to

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always be a Patriot. What is it going to take?
Do you think that that kind of meeting would happen?
If Tom Brady suddenly even hints at the idea that
perhaps he will continue his career elsewhere, I would guarantee it. Look,
there has been sort of the adopted son relationship between

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Craft and Brady, and never more was that more apparent.
And look, I corroborated, I should say I sort of
fact checked a lot of that SETH Wickersham article from
two years ago that was talking about some of some
of the things that were coming apart at the seams
in New England, some of the disagreements between Brady and Belichick.

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And you know Alex Guerrero, his fitness guru who he
launched his TV twelve brand with, and you know he
he is leasing space at Patriot Place, which is adjacent
to Gillette Stadium to run his clinic, and Robert Craft
owns Patriot Place and there's all these tangled in roads
between Tom Brady now Patriots ownership, and then obviously Belichick

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because you know their their legacies are linked. But there
was a lot of discord there and the reason why
Brady wasn't shipped off to San Francisco when you know, yeah,
John Lynch asking if there's interest in a trade to
build his franchise and his future around Brady, it was

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Garoppolo instead. Why was that? It was because Kraft gone
in the way, because he said there's no way that
I would allow you Bill to sacrifice the brand that
the Patriots have built, my relationship with this special player
over the two decades that we've had him here, and
so yes, there's going to be tugs at the heartstring

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from Bob Craft to Tom Brady to keep him in
town or to potentially have him sing his swan song
as a Patriot quarterback and never dawn a different color uniform.
It's not just Tom Brady. Is Josh McDaniels their package deal.
There's no question about that. And look they've had their
little rifts back and forth, but I guarantee you when

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the bottom line, Tom Brady will stand by Josh McDaniels
every single day. So a year ago, we saw Josh
McDaniels seemingly gone right, he was gonna be with Indianapolis Colts,
and he backed out of the d He left the
plane waiting at the airport, right, so he he stayed
in art. Theory, Well, this was two years ago, and
we we are. Theory was is that Bob Craft had

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made him some kind of guarantee that you're going to
step in for Belichick when Belichick leaves. That was over
a year ago. What happened Patriots win the Championship. Suddenly
that all went out the window. Belichick is not going anywhere,
Brady's not going anywhere. Josh McDaniels is still with the Patriots,
but that was after a super Bowl win. Now we're
talking about a wild card loss. You got all these openings.

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I guarantee you Josh McDaniels is on everybody's list to
interview Cowboys, Uh, Giants, Browns, I mean, are you kidding me?
They're gonna look at Josh McDaniels. This is why I
kept back, and you know, we started kid about this
whole cowboy dynamic. So what's happening now is they met
with Marvin Lewis and there in the meeting with Mike McCarthy.

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And by the way, which the last time the Cowboys
really had a coaching search. Now, remember Jason Garrett was
an interim coach after Wade Phillips was fired. But the
last time they did a full search was when they
hired Wade Phillips. Now, think about that. So they if
you look at the history of Jerry Jones hiring coaches,

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he goes veteran. He doesn't go with some newbies out there.
That's not his ammo. He goes with proven guys, and
Wade Phillips is that guy. I go with Marvin Lewis.
And I was talking to t. J. Huschmanzati yesterday. W
of course played for Marvin Lewis. You know, sixteen years
with the Bengals, they made the playoffs seven times. I
asked him, I said, do you think that Marvin Lewis

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could work for Jerry Jones? He goes, absolutely. And when
you think about the Cowboys, their problem isn't on the
offensive end. Their problem is on the defensive side of
the football. They're just not good enough defensively. So if
you bring in Marvin Lewis and you're Jerry Jones and
say I want you to retain Kelly Moore to run
the offense with Marvin Lewis, be agreeable to that. T J.

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Houshman Zada play for him says he absolutely would. He
would be very flexible on that. That could be a
route he goes, or he could decide to really blow
this thing up and decide, Hey, I'm gonna get Josh
McDaniels and see if Tom Brady will come as well.
That's happening, and so that's where we disagree. I don't
think they're Well, that's not happening because he's not that

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Jerry Jones. Well, now, of course he does. And Tom
Brady has final say as to where he goes next.
He's a free agent, he's an unrestricted free Would you agree, though,
if Tom Brady went to the Cowboys he would have
a better offensive line, better running back, better receiver. Again, yes,
but again you're talking about a guy who's either going
to continue his legacy elsewhere or finish as the greatest quarterback,

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potentially the greatest football player we've ever seen play this sport.
And we'll never know if it was more belichicker Brady
for sure. For certain, if you go to a different
team and say the outcome isn't what everybody expects it
to to be with Zeke Elliott, with this monstrous offensive line,
with a weapon on the outside like Marii Cooper, assuming

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they can resign him and keep the gang together, Uh,
moving on from Dak Prescott wherever he should land next.
It really to me it would stay in a legacy
that's already been raising. Tom Brady fears failure elsewhere that
could stay in his legacy. I don't think he necessarily
fears failure. But I also again back to Bob Craft
and Tom Brady and their relationship. You're talking about not

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only a relationship, but a brand they've built together. I mean,
he will forever be linked and loved and beloved as
New England quarterback, as a Patriot quarterback, as an all
time great in the NFL, but especially with that franchise.
They never won anything before Belichick and Brady showed up
on the scene, and they have six Super Bowl nine
visits to their resume. Now, I think that it is

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a lot more likely that Tom Brady retires this offseason
and play for a different team. In fact, I'll add
a third option. It's more likely that he's going to
either resign with the Patriots and be their quarterback next
season retire. Those two options are way, way, way more
uh likely than him going to a different team and playing.

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So wherever Josh McDaniels is coaching, act where he's the
offensive coordinator with the Patriots or is the head coach elsewhere,
I don't think that's gonna have any impact on Tom
Brady's future whatsoever. All Right, a little bit later on, Gavin,
for sure, I want to play some of this Belichick
sound as he talked today about, you know, Brady's future
future for the Patriots. Some interesting sound Jay Glazer sound

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as well. So we're gonna bring that some of to
you from their own words on exactly what is in
the future for Tom Brady, the Patriots, Bill Belichick and
the whole gang. All right, we're in the guy killed
Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's find out what's trending right now.
David as gone, what's up? What's up on? How are you? Man?
I felt like rich was was one of those eyes.

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I think it was one of the linebackers. Was it
was the Vladimir from the program? Oh yeah, I think
you're like in that mood on the on the openings,
uh segment of the show. You wanna shoulder pat tap
heartman real quick, spitting his mouth the whole nine yards. Yeah,
he almost went through the window. I mean, honestly, I'm
fired up. Yeah, I know how to push his button,

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you know, I I I have no fear. You know,
he seems to think Tom Brady has feared a failure elsewhere.
What is it the initiation process of Penn State. It'll
lay down in traffic. Yeah, oh yeah, No, I mean
it was worse than that, worse than that, no doubt
about it. Well, guys, Wald Kurt Wiken is here in Minnesota,
New Orleans going at it. Use you guys mentioned the
early fumble by Adam Feeling resulted in three points. Minnesota

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has countered, though they got three of their owns Right
now in the first quarter on Fox three threes a score.
Kirk Cousins early on he's four or five for twenty
seven yards. Drew Brees is two for two on the ground.
Dalvin Cook five carries twenty five yards, so he looks
fresh as well. Later on to of course you get
the night Cat will be taking place in Philadelphia at
the Eagles and the Seahawks. Buying on that one. Eagles

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will have zach Ertz today has been listening as questionable
broken ribs, but he will return. Right tackle Lane Johnson
has been ruled out of this contest, and why receiver
for the c c X Stron Brown He's been rolled
out of this contest as well. Good news for the
Houston Texans. Along with advancing will Fulur is expected to
return next week in the divisional round matchup. That's according
to the NFL Network. Fellas I want to talk about

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back to you all right, David, thank you very much.
Once again, we're comingy alive from the Guy Go Fox
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So you mentioned Jay Glazer, and we obviously love his
reporting here at Fox. He does a tremendous job and

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he only reports absolutes. He doesn't dabble with opinions, he
doesn't editorialize, he no rumors. He listens and and reports
on what he's heard, and his sources are impeccable. Uh So,
this morning he's on air and he's talking about this
Cowboys head coaching search that you had mentioned, and he's

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talking about the different candidates have come through the door.
But what's the lingering question is why hasn't there been
this official parting of ways between Jason Garrett and the franchise.
And he lent a little more color to that conversation
earlier today. I never seen anything like it. Because Jason Garrett,
they've gone to him now a couple of times this

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week to say Okay, you're out as our head coach.
He says, hold on, hold on, don't do it yet.
I still want to be considered for this, and every
time they do it, so they said we're moving on.
We're starting anyview other people. Friday night they interviewed Marvin Lewis.
They first want to just defensive head coaches. Yesterday they
interviewed Mike McCarthy. That went so well. I'm told Mike
McCarthy is actually still there, spent an extra day in Dallas.
Then they're looking at Mike Zimmer if he was out

(24:51):
after this game in Minnesota. But again they still have
to tell Jason Garrett, no, you're gone, we're moving out.
Never seen anything like it. So we'll get to Lewis
and McCarthy and a but concentrating on Jason Garrett that
bit about the fact that he is literally slowing down
the process to say no, no, no no, no, I want
to be considered, keep me in the loop, let me
audition or re audition for this head coaching job. After

(25:13):
nearly a decade with Garrett. Do you think that this
is fair to do to the Cowboys franchise? Do you
think that there needs to be a clean break. I
mean his contract expires in days on the fourteenth, that
officially expires. This is why you haven't fired a guy.
You're not gonna fire a guy because just expires. I mean,
you know, you just you don't pick up his contract.

(25:35):
I think Jason Garrett. The realization is nobody else is
interested in Jason Garrett. We're not We're not hearing the
Browns or the Giants or Caroline or any other team like, hey,
I want to get to Jason Garrett. So this delusion
that has been created in the mind of Jason Garrett
courtesy of Jerry Jones, who has insisted. Boy, I'll tell
you what, if Jason Garrett was ever on the open market,

(25:57):
people will be tripping over themselves to get to this
guy in defense of him even being the head coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. Look, Jason Garrett, uh, maybe he
retains a position in the organization. If he wants to
pursue coaching, your best option is to be an offensive coordinator.
Because right now, there is no team out there, not

(26:18):
a single team with a coaching vacancy that has Jason
Garrett on their wish list. And I think that's the
realization for Jason Garrett was like, wow. If he thought
he had other options, he might say, Okay, get me
out of this deal as quickly as possible so I
can start doing some interviews. You know, it's happening. A
lot of people say, boy, you know, it's really unfair
of the Browns to fire Freddie Kitchens after a single year.

(26:41):
Oh you know, jeez, it's really unfair for you know,
coach will only be given two years even to prove
themselves and before they're fired. But the fact of the
matter is most of these contracts are at least three
years long. You know, you're talking about millions of dollars.
You think Freddie Kitchens is crying big boo hoo tears now, yeah,
unfinished war work. And you see the potential in your team,

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and you always want to be the voice in the
room to lead men to success, especially when you get
a taste, especially when you're that guy and then it's
all taken from you. However, you have a very soft
landing with millions of dollars to collect from the team
and a potential potential to double dip should you be
hired by a different team. Uh, you know, following your fine, well,

(27:25):
I can tell you this, and when you have a
contract that expires, guess what after your last check? But
there are no checks. So I think the real fear here,
and understandably so, is that you know, whatever lifestyle you've
grown accustomed to earning some part of six million dollars
a year, has to change vastly if all of a

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sudden you're out of work and the best job you
can acquire is some part of a million dollars or
just over a million dollars as somebody's offensive coordinator. And
then also the embarrassment or the shame you may face
after leading a team as prom in it as the
Cowboys are as famous, I should say, as the Cowboys
over the past years that he's done it, and not

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having a head coaching credit to your name following that
that that position, I think there's I think there's a
lot of that going on right now with Jason Garrett personally. Now,
obviously that's all just subjectivity. That's my read on the situation.
But what Jay Glazer says, I believe he has its
sourced that Garrett is the reason why the Cowboys haven't
been able to make a hard break and all of

(28:28):
these other interviews are almost coming in under you know,
sort of uh, the cover of night. Like nobody can
really know about it publicly. They're not talking about it
publicly because they don't want to insult Garrett publicly. Right Well,
the problem for Jason Garrett is the perception is he
was simply a puppet for Jerry Jones. That's it. His

(28:49):
credibility as a coach, deserve it or not, is zero.
Nobody gives him any credit at all for anything to
happen on the Cowboys because the perception is simply has
been a puppet for Jerry Jones. All I want to
get back to the Tom Brady. Um, I want to
skip ahead here Sam to the Q and A. That
one cut right here, Uh Tom Brady. This is Bill Belichick.

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He had a news conference today and this was a
back and forth talking about uh Tom Brady, obviously giving
tom Brady's age, and there's been a lot of talk
about the future. Do you have a timeline in your
mind point you'd like to sit down and do you
have would you like to get clarity on his situation
by the time of New Week gear starts. Look, I

(29:34):
mean I know it's out there, just like there's a
lot of the things out there. I mean, we could
bring up fifty questions just like that one, and I
told her what my state is on that, and so
you can ask all fifty of them, and it's gonna
be the same answer fifty times been we've been working
on Tennessee, it's twelve hours after the game. I'm not
gonna talk a lot of things about the future because

(29:54):
it's not I'm not prepared to talk about I'm sure
you do. You can name fifty guys, fifty coaches. I mean,
there's plenty. You can talk about anything you want, but
in the future. And they're all questions that need to
be answered at some point in time by the organization,
by myself, by the coaching staff, by some of the players.
But those are collective decisions that are not made by

(30:15):
one person. They're made collectively. There's a lot of time
and thought and effort and communication that goes into that,
and now is not the time. I certainly appreciate that
I have just one one. If Tom says he wants
to come back and play, and the same answer that
I just gave you, let me just keep going if
you want to the whole question, because you talked over
some of it. I said, yeah, quarterback, and I gave

(30:38):
you the same answer that I just gave you on
the other ones. And we can go through some more
if you want to. It's fine. What about you, Bill?
Will you be back here coaching this scene next year?
That's I've just answered all these questions. All the future
questions are the future. Right, We're twelve hours less than
twelve hours after the camp. I think anybody gets competitive,
and it's been in this type of situation, and all

(30:58):
your focus on the game, you know, it's not on
something else. So hopefully you can respect that. But if
you can't, then I've done the best I can to
explain it. I'm sorry. It's as simple as that, all right.
So this is Belichick being Belichick, and this is no
different than his usual emma. But let's let's let's get
inside the head of Bill Belichick with some of the
new him. Uh and that would be you rich all right?

(31:19):
So in the aftermath of this loss, I mean, the
idea of dismissing Tom Brady's situation is no different than
any other situation the organization. Fifty different guys you could
ask me about. Now we're asking about Tom Brady, your
quarterback in the last twenty years. And I get it.
I mean, this is the thing he does over and
over again. But if you're Bill Belichick right now, let's

(31:41):
leave Brady out. What what is bell Belichick thinking right
now about his own future? What is the best move
for Belichick right now? What do you think he is
thinking at this point? I don't think he's thinking about
much other than the sting of that loss. I promise
you that is as much honest d is you're gonna
get is after uh you know, moments after losing a game,

(32:05):
or even the day after losing a game, because the
first the modus operantum, and I know this to be
true from living it for three years, uh in in
the Patriots facilities is figuring out what you did wrong
and how could you could never repeat those mistakes? And
so whether he's going to be coaching this team next
year or a different team or retiring himself. He's sixty

(32:28):
seven years old. We talked about Brady's age all the time.
I mean, he's got a lot more yesterday's in tomorrow's
as well. You gotta figure out what went wrong. And
so trust me when I tell you and I know
Ben Vollen, I know the voice, I know the face,
I know the writer, uh there in Boston with the Globe,
and and I know that relationship. And and he is
trying to get anything out of this impermeable shell that

(32:51):
is Bill Belichick at the podium post game or the
day to follow, and there is nothing to get because
he's still just trying to digest what just happened to
the team that he put together, and who had a shot,
just like the twelve other teams starting the day yesterday,
to win his next Super Bowl. Why aren't we going
to be in the final game? Why are we not advancing?

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That's his full concentration right now, all right, So we're
gonna have much more on that Patriot situation. It's gonna
be evolving, obviously. The Cowboys coaching situation. You heard from
Jay Glazer talking about Mike McCarthy. Things went so well.
The same thing actually happen with Marvin Lewis. They met
on Friday, went so well, they continued the meeting on Saturday,
and the Marvin Lewis walks out. They start a meeting

(33:35):
with McCarthy, goes so well. On Saturday, they continue into Sunday.
And meanwhile, Jason Garrett's like, I don't have any other options.
You can't do this. I mean, I thought I was
your guy, Jerry. You gotta keep me on his head,
coach Man, I can't take a paycot. All right, So
there's a little panic going on in Dallas right now.
We're gonna get to some of the other big breaking

(33:55):
stories around the National Football League. Also, I want to
get into the dynamic of the Saints as a thirteen
win team in a wild card game. It's not unprecedented,
but it's a very short list and could it cost
the Saints an opportunity to get to a Super Bowl.

(34:18):
We're gonna break it down coming up next what we're
trying to do to win this football game? Then maybe yeah,
But otherwise, no, where's the Heisman? Where's the heisman? Where's
the heisman? I don't have any other options. You can't
do this. I mean, I thought I was your guy, Jerry.
You gotta keep you on his head, coach Man. I
can't take a paycot. You sound like Kramer at that. There,

(34:40):
Come on, Jerry outstanding? Uh that it was Steve Hartman,
Fox Sports Radio. It's amazing that we are sitting here
in our Sherman Oaks Studios, just a stones throw from Hollywood,
and you haven't been tapped your entire professional career to
go and act. I don't get it, Frankly, I've been

(35:00):
campaigning for you. I smell oscar. It sounds like a
table read, doesn't it. First? Without question, as someone that
was actually born in Hollywood, California, that is my actual birthplace,
you should have been with California asked for the Irishman
instead of de Niro. The bottom line is we're all acting.
Everything's a perpetual act in this world. Don't you know

(35:21):
that by now? Well, now you really sound like an actor.
By the way, great news, quick and easy for you
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and see how much you could say. All right, so
right now we have a game going on case you
forgot about that, Saints Vikings. We are tied and through

(35:44):
we got fourteen minutes to go in the first half.
Are you surprised this game is just three three? And
would you not agree if this low scoring continues that
would favor the Vikings. This is Look, no, I'm not
I'll start by answering your question. This is very symptom, uh,
symptomatic of the place in time we're in the postseason.

(36:05):
Every single play matters, you know, from now until you know,
February third or whatever date the super Bowl lands onto
this year. Uh, every single play matters. So it doesn't
shock me at all that offensive coordinating that defensive coordinating
is sort of more in that, Hey, we're feeling each
other out mode. We might bring out a gadget, we

(36:25):
may try to Trickia early on, just so you have
something else to think about. Their Saints defense, Vikings defense.
But but you're you're you're trying to see what the
other side is doing to you while you're being as
effective as possible. Are they gonna be blitz happy this game?
What was their plan with Michael Thomas? If you're the Saints,
you know, for the Vikings, are they going to really

(36:47):
be pressing to stop the run because Dalvin Cook's back
in our game plan? So the first round, it's almost
like heavyweight uh, title contenders circling each other for two
rounds or three rounds before you get into the meat
and potatoes. Alright, So so far the quarterbacks are almost identical.
Kirk Cousins five or six thirty six yards, Breeze six
of eight thirty nine yards. Here's what's not equal. Dalvin

(37:07):
Cook seven carries thirty nine yards, Alvin Kamara two carries
three yards. So so far, Minnesota's run for fifty five yards.
The Saints have run for eleven. So it's not trending
in the right direction for the Saints. Which brings up
the idea of a thirteen win team playing in a

(37:29):
wild card game. It's only happened twice before. I was
surprised that it ever happened before. But back in the
Tennessee Titans, as a third team win team had to
play in the wild card round, and that team got
all the way to the Super Bowl. It's after winning
a home game in the wild card round. They went

(37:49):
on the road, won two games, and then went on
to the Super Bowl. Now the other team, ironically was
the Saints. Inn they won their wild card blow out
against the Lions at home. Then they went to San Francisco.
Remember that was the Alex Smith San Francisco team member.
The next year, of course, Kaepernick took over and they
got to the Super Bowl and they lost at San Francisco.

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So let's let's look at this team right now. The
Saints survived. Today they go to green Bay, and I
think that most people would say that the Saints have
more talent than the Packers. But that's going to Green Bay.
Aaron Rodgers, I already checked out the green Bay weather
report for next weekend, mid to high twenties. Should be dry,

(38:33):
no snow, nothing like that. But it's not comforts of
indoor New Orleans. By the way, that year, that season,
the Giants then dispatched of that San Francisco team that
beat the Saints, and then the Giants beat my Patriot
team in the Super Bowl. That is correct, well, and
you know what, and actually that that will come into
play later today as the Eagles take on the Seahawks,

(38:56):
because talk about unexpected entrance into the playoff picture. That
can make some real noise. That year, the regular season
Giants team were a nobody and they went on and
won a Super Bowl, So you never know, making the
tournaments everything, But to speak about the wild card round
for a second, in the Saints being a third team

(39:16):
win team and all that if you look back at
the Saints and the way they closed out the regular season,
they had that loss and it was shootout to San
Francisco forty niners, and that was on December eight, and
there's six loss well since then, thirty seven pounding against
Indianapolis Colts in New Orleans. Then they go to Tennessee

(39:38):
and they just beat a Tennessee team who who defeated
the Patriots in the first round thirty. And then they
finished their season in Carolina and absolute drubbing of the Panthers.
Christian McCaffrey looked like a stud uh and they still
were able to absolutely smash them. And they roll into
this game at home against the Vikings. Look, momentums a

(40:00):
hell of a thing and the first round bike could
break that up. This may be the best thing that's
happened to the Saints. Gonna find out, but they got
to get past the Vikings. And again so far, I mean,
things can change very quickly in this game. The Vikings
are dictating this game right now. They had an early turnover,
but they held. They handed the Saints a quick three.
But since then, the Saints offense has done nothing. Mike Zimmer,

(40:23):
please do not underestimate the defensive mindset of Mike Zimmer.
He is one of the best defensive minds in this league.
And remember this is a rematch with a couple of
years ago. Remember Stefon Diggs last play in Minneapolis Miracle
by the way, pull up that sound find Joe Buck
calling that. That's my favorite call, maybe of all time. Alright,

(40:45):
from two years ago. Alright, we're focused on today the
NFC wild card weekend. We got it all covered as
Fox Sports Red Zone Radio continues. Coming up next. Remember
Taysom Hill had a forty four yard pass against the
Vikings last season on Sunday night. Again, in a quarterback
trips to the left for Taysom Hill fakes the handoff

(41:07):
looking down field, loads fires one time when I was
a man wide open. That goes called Dante Harris down
to the four yard line and D'ante Harris makes his
biggest play as a receiver in this offense. Fifty yards
first and goal from the fourth of the pitch. Coaes
to come here out to the right side, puts his
head down, going top down. Alvin camera. All right, they

(41:31):
go w w L Saints Radio Network. A little trickery
involved and the Saints have taken a tenth three lead
over the Minnesota Vikings. We are coming alive from the
guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. Fifteen minutes could save
you centemore in your car insurance. Visit guy dot com
for a free rate quote. That's one thing about Sean Payton.
He is not afraid in you know, no guarantee of

(41:54):
a tomorrow game, meaning a playoff game, of trying a
few things, and they use a little trickery there. Taysom
Hill a very valuable weapon for the Saints franchise because
he could do so many different things. A fifty arc
completion to set up the touchdown by camera. So the
Saints up to ten to three. Now let's see if
the Vikings can counter. Yeah, it was obviously the early

(42:17):
fumble than a field goal, fast each side scoring three
points and then punch punch, punch, pun pun until this
recent score. And again it's gonna take emptying the playbook
at times to get on the board and in a
significant way. So the Saints have Taysom Hill a quarterback
and they make a play to Deonte Harris and a

(42:37):
beautiful play at that They had three deep coverage of
the Vikings did, and you had a three receiver bunch,
and Harris ran what looked like it was gonna be
a corner route, but then he breaks off and sort
of runs an in breaking route really deep down the
field and Taysom Hill finds them. They are so multiple offensively,
and it's because Sean Payton is a great, great, masterful

(42:59):
user of the talents around him that he has in
the organization. Also Drew Brees, there's no ego here. Let's
go out and win ball games. I'm too old for
for to feel, you know, ashamed if if somebody else
is going to get you know, a credit for a
fifty yard pass in the stat line. Let's do what's
necessary to win. Interesting the Vikings offensive strategy so far,

(43:21):
it's essentially give the ball to Dalvin Cook. I mean,
it's been all about the running game. Adam Thealen who
is back, caught the first pass of the game three
yards and then he fumbled. He hasn't caught a past since.
So it's gonna be interesting to see where the Vikings
go offensively in this game. The idea of completely shutting
down the Saints offense is uh, it's just not realistic.

(43:44):
The Saints have way too much firepower. By the way,
Michael Thomas so far in this game, three catches, thirty
two yards. Hundred forty nine catches this year, Yeah, a
hundred and forty nine catches. And by the way, his
catch percentage and you know, number of times targeted as
opposed to catches, what's good. You know in the sixties,
that's that's sort of normal around the NFL. I mean,

(44:06):
if you look at two of the greatest of all time,
t O and Randy Moss, they were below for the
second consecutive year. Michael Thomas is over eighty percent. He's
he's when I say incredible, it almost feels like it
fails to convey how great he is. Virtually anything that's
catchable and some of the things that are not he catches.

(44:28):
Now does it help that he's paired with arguably the
most accurate pastor of the league's ever seen at the
consistency that Drew Brees operations. So, I mean it is
fair to, you know, question the fact that Randy Moss
probably played with more inaccurate pastors, and you could make
that argument you'd be accurate and and same with t O.
But he's just so unbelievably athletic and in pursuit of

(44:53):
the ball when it's in air or anywhere near his radius,
and his catch radius is huge because he's got these
long arms, these huge hands. Virtually anything through near him,
he's gonna come up with. All right, a big run
by Dalvin Cook. Boy. He is on fire right now
in this game. Early on, Remember he has been out
for the Vikings. Obviously they're not the same offense without him,

(45:15):
but he has cracked off a couple of big runs.
So the Vikings are now in scoring position. Uh, they
are now inside the forty yard line of the Saints,
trying to move the ball in. Down ten to three
in this game. We're gonna have much more as we
get to the other game coming up a little bit
later this afternoon, and that of course, is going to
be the Eagles hosting the Seattle Seahawks. You know, much

(45:38):
has been made of experience in the playoffs, and this
was a big sticking point as far as people believing
that the Patriots will be just fine. I mean Tom Brady.
Tom Brady had more I think it was something like
ten more wins in the playoffs than the other eleven
quarterbacks combined, you know in the playoffs. Uh, and it

(45:58):
didn't bear out. So let me ask you this. When
we talk about experience, and not just quarterback, I'm just
talking about any player because rich you know, as having
been there, we get it. I mean, obviously the intensity
is up, everyone's more hyped up than everything else like that.
But does the game really change at all? And how
how much does experience really count whence the game actually begins. Oh,

(46:22):
it matters greatly. And the reason is because you'll hear
players post game talk about how they couldn't get outside
of their mind thinking about the moment instead of just
concentrating on the game. Look, you know it yourself when okay,
and I know it was years ago, thirty five years ago, whatever,
and when you started broadcasting on radio for the first time,

(46:43):
do you remember that feeling where you feel completely exposed
talking into a microphone. Yes, where you you're not sure
that you're doing a good job, you don't understand the technique,
You're you're nervous to begin with, and and you can't
really get into any sort of rhythm. You're you're actually
trying to pretend like you're someone else to get through,

(47:05):
you know, sort of fake it till you make it.
It is, And for a lot of broadcasters it's this way.
It takes years to find your voice. Your original voice
on the radio became sooner for some people, comes later
for others. Football is no different. Any job is no different.
You know, you start an office job as a typist
or somebody who's working on the ground level of an
account that you're you're making out like until you make it.

(47:29):
You're saying that about playing play off football is not
football and otherways. Every one of these guys have been
playing football since their high school days. They play a
lot of football. But you're what what you're getting at is,
until you've actually experienced a playoff game in the NFL,
it's not the same. Yep. It's just it's different. It's different.

(47:49):
It's different because it's just it's so much more meaningful.
It's sort of like, Okay, let me tie a rope
to two trees in the park four ft off the
ground and have you walk across it. Now, you may stumble,
but you may make across it if it's a thick
enough line. But then let me raise that line nine
feet across a canyon, same distance, say ft, but you

(48:11):
got across a nine hundred foot tall canyon. It is
very different when you're crossing a tight rope at four
ft from the ground versus nine hundred feet where everything
is in jeopardy. That's what the playoffs are. Again. Every
play matters. So while that tight rope close to the
ground may be easy to sort or easier to traverse,
knowing that you're there's no inherent danger. If I really

(48:34):
fall off, Yeah, maybe I'll break an arm, but maybe not.
Maybe if I lose this regular season game as the
starting quarterback of this franchise, maybe it'll impact our postseason,
but maybe not. But if I lose this postseason game,
if I play poorly, if this game comes down to
two interceptions that I throw, we're going home. Everybody can
start booking flights to Cancoon or their fishing trip because

(48:57):
we're not going to the super Bowl this year. That's
the reason why some guys can't get out of their
own heads. The playoffs are different, all right. Dalvin Cook
has gotten the vikings in the scoring position. On this drive.
He had a twenty two yard run. He just caught
a nineteen yard pass, so we're at four to go
in the first half here and the Vikings trying to

(49:20):
get into the end zone and even up this game
ten three Saints at this point, Dalvin Cook, you're you're
reminded again watching this guy when healthy, he is, without question,
one of the best running backs in the league. By
the way, speaking of I'll deter for a little bit,
Derrick Henry. I mean, this is the one thing everyone

(49:41):
talked about for the Titans. You have a running back
who finished the season with a two hundred yard day
in a game the Titans had to win to get
into the playoffs. But now it's New England. I mean,
there's just the New England's hundred and eighty two yards rushing.
Did you think Derrick Henry, who when he first came
to the Titans, he was platooning. I mean, they didn't

(50:03):
seem like this guy some kind of franchise running back. Well,
once they gave him the opportunity. Led the league in
rushing this year. By the way, Christian mccaffee beat him
out for first team All Pro at the running back position,
which I thought, I'm not quite sure about that, um,
but did you ever foresee this guy was gonna be
this dominant He sort of became a little bit of

(50:23):
an afterthought, right, you know, you just sort of forgot
that he was even there, you know, because I was
he sharing time with DeMarco Murray. Yeah, you know, you
just there are certain backs who come out of college
and you're like, oh my god, there, that's gonna be
a game record. At the next day it was a
Heisman Trophy winner and the six three two fifty pounds
runs what four six for? You just sort of put

(50:44):
him in the review mirror. You're like, well, I got
I mean, I guess time passed and he didn't really
pan out or they had better options. Okay, moving on.
But no, there are certain players who look, I mean
look around. Kobe Bryant when he first started in the
NBA wasn't what he became. He wasn't you know, he
was straight out of high school. No, I get it.
But still I'm saying like, there are certain even greats

(51:05):
who are slow burns and then all of a sudden
explode in year two, year three, year four, even something
to get you one guy and really go blast o.
J Simpson his first three years in Buffalo looked like
he had been a bust and then Louse Saban took
over and he said, the heck with this, Just give
him the ball. Start playing around with him being a receiver,
this and part just giving the ball twenty five times,

(51:26):
let's see what happens. And that's the thing about Derrick Henry.
The more you give the ball to him, the better
he gets. I remember who was it. I think one
of the coaches was going up against him and saying,
here's the thing about Derrick Henry. He he doesn't slow down.
And now, which he's a monster to begin with, but
the more he carries, the stronger he gets. He never

(51:47):
gets tired. There are certain guys who I remember playing
against in my career and and I remember thinking in
the fourth quarter, all right, wow, I really weathered the storm.
Now we're gonna be on a little bit of an
even playing field. And and there are certain guys who
just there's no off switch. They're either going a million
miles an hour or they're not going. And the guys

(52:08):
who have that, like Derrick Henry, where it'll be the
fourth quarter and you're trying to tackle him and you're thinking, like,
all right, this will be a little bit of a
softer smack, so to speak. I remember watching him on
one outside zone play. It was the far sideline from
the camera angle, going right to left, and he bowled
over one of the Patriots defensive backs like it was

(52:31):
a first quarter run. And I wasn't shocked. But it's
just that level of effort that you can see from
certain players play after play after play. That's part of
the reason, or one of the main reasons offensively, especially
outside Ryan Tannehill's presence, that the Titans have had such
a successful season. All right, So the Vikings are at
the they were at the three yard line. There was

(52:54):
a Saints player banged up. He's okay right now. Kiko
Alonso was banged up on a play, but he's walking
out the field. So we got a second and goal
situation for the Vikings right now, we're inside four minutes
to go in the first half and they're trying to
get in the end zone and even up this game
against the Saints. And again, when you have Dalvin Cook,
who's just been any questions about his health, forget it.

(53:17):
I mean he is at full strength in game two
carries and he's been averaging four and a half yards
per carry, unbelievably effective. Alright, So a little trickery did
not work. So now all of a sudden, the Vikings
are faced with a third end goal. We're in the
guy go. Fox Sports Radio Studios will continue to update

(53:37):
you on the Saints Vikings battle on this NFC Wild
Card Sunday, and we're gonna get you ready for the
Eagles and the Seahawks. Who should be the favorite going
into that game. We're gonna tell you coming up next,
I formation Cousins again on the sett of Dalvin Cook.
The tail back pitch goes to Cook off the left side,

(53:58):
say stringing it out and A're gonna hit him at
the four. Big shot there, Tomario Davis and the Saints
with a pig red zone stop. That is w w
L Saints Radio Network. So good news, bad news for
the Saints. The good news is they held there and
held the Vikings to a field goal to make it
tend to six. Saints. However, Drew Brees has just been

(54:25):
intercepted on an underthrow Anthony Harris with the uh not
only the interception, but a thirty yard return of the interception.
So the Vikings get the ball right back and they
are in Saints territory. We just had the two minute
warning first half, So let's see if the Vikings can
get back on the board. Here is that interception play?

(54:46):
Come here in the backfield, Breeze on third down streat
drop HiT's a deep shot he's looking to protect Gain intercepted.
Yes it is. Anthony Harris gets up and runs at
to the far side. Party Harris to the done. That's
the seventh interception this season for Anthony Harris and there
are no flags on the play. Two oh three to

(55:09):
go in the first half, and Harris just turned over Breeze. Okay,
fam Innneapolis and the Vikings radio networks. So again the
two minute warning. Vikings have the ball trailing in this
game by a score of ten to six. By the way,
I mean, really, what happened there? The sequence prior he
saw a coverage, he wanted to attack it. He thought

(55:31):
he had to play for it. So they drew up
a deep post by Gain Jr. Rush to the line
of scrimmage, thought he could cast the Vikings asleep at
the switch and threw a ball, a bad ball and
under throne ball into double coverage. It's a rare mistake
by Breeze, but those can be game changers. Drew Brees
has forty three yards passing in the first half. Now,

(55:52):
they had a fifty yard pass play on Taysam Hill,
but Drew Brees has forty three yards passing in the
first half. Should Sean Payton put Taysom Hill over Drew Brees.
How about Teddy Bridgewater You remember him? Remember the guy
that actually put up better numbers than Drew Brees this
year when he was in as the quarterback of the Saints.

(56:14):
I mean, you know, the one interesting thing about this
offseason is going to be quarterbacks. I mean, we got
the Brady situation, he got Philip Rivers situation, you got
Cam Newton's situation, you got Teddy Bridgewaters. I mean, we
can go down the list a big name quarterbacks that
have options and where they're gonna end up. I want
to save that down the road. I do want to
start getting into this game this afternoon between the Eagles

(56:37):
and the Seahawks. The Eagles, oh wait, big tab pass
play over the middle right there. I believe Theeland finally
caught another pass. Yeah he did so. It was just
an in breaking route over the middle of the field.
And so first inten gets the Vikings a little bit
closer here now again, they haven't scored Yeah, I shouldn't

(56:58):
say that. They've only scored field goals so far, so
I'm sure Mike Zimmer wants to finish this half with
with a touchdown. They're right at the twenty four yard
line going in well, and again, if you look at
the statistics of this game, it's been pretty much dominated
by the Vikings. However, the fumble bite theeling on the
various first possession handed the Saints a field goal, and

(57:21):
then the Saints used trickery a fifty yard pass play
to set up their touchdown. But as far as just
pure numbers are concerned, uh, the Vikings are winning the stats,
but not winning on the scoreboard. The Philadelphia Eagles one
the NFC East, which is nothing to brag about. It
was a disaster. I mean, the Redskins and Giants are

(57:41):
two of the top four picks in the draft, and
the Cowboys, well, they're looking for a new coach right now.
So how much credit do we give to the Eagles
for winning the division? And how much stock do you
put in them having home field advantage against a Seahawk
team that I think we would both agree is a

(58:03):
better team, especially when you talk about experience at quarterback.
Carson Wentz has never played in a playoff game. He's
watched them from the sidelines against the guy who's been
too Super Bowls, Russell Wilson. Are they a better team
or to have better players? Now, I'm not gonna argue
with you at the quarterback position, heads and shoulders. I
believe Russell Wilson stands above Carson Wentz and you can

(58:24):
really do that positional battle at many different places on
the field between these two teams. But the better team. Look,
Philadelphia Eagles were injured and hurt all year. Last year
made into the postseason beat the Bears, and Soldier Field
had gave the Saints all they could handle before they
advanced the NFC Championship game. I mean the Philadelphia Eagles

(58:45):
over the past three seasons with injuries because their injury
report was vast. The year they won the Super Bowl
two years ago against the Patriots has been incredible. Doug
Peterson is an incredible coach. So team. It may mean
the Eagles are the better team, but players Seahawks undoubtedly
better players all right, Third and four for the vikings.

(59:05):
Right now, they're at the Saints eighteen yard line one
seventeen to go on they have Kirk Cousins throws a
sideline pass on the money to Thling for the first down. Hey,
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could save. So Vikings called time out. Smart move there,

(59:29):
slow things down, take a look at some things. Going
into half. It would benefit them greatly to have the lead,
especially since they coughed up the ball and gave the
Saints virtually the first possession of the game. Saints get
the ball after the half. Okay. So also about the
Eagles down the stretch of their season, you could argue
the last month was a playoff month for the Eagles.
They need to win every single game, and they did

(59:50):
four in a row. Giants was the first victory, and
that was four weeks ago. Then the Redskins, then the
Cowboys at home at home. Yeah, seventeen nine victory. But
then they beat the Giants again in New York to
cap off the season. That was the Giants offense that
was playing much about three of those four wins against
teams that are you know, drafting second and fourth and
those are bad dific We said when they were sitting

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at five and seven, look look at the remainder of
their schedule. They should win all four of those games,
and they did so. Like no, I give them credit.
Vision the same thing we could say about the Patriots
AFC East weak division. You can say the same thing
about the Eagles. NFC East was a very weak division.
But I will say this, they had that Thursday night
victory over the Packers that impressed me. That was a

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great win for them. And they beat the Bills at
the Bills thirteen. They housed the Bills middle of the season.
So look this team again, team should not be overlooked.
Vikings now in the low red zone, five yard line,
going in. All right, it is thirty five seconds and
the clock is running. First and goal for the Vikings.

(01:00:54):
Right now, Cousins is looking to the end zone. Throws
it away, So second and goal throws and way that
was well overthrown. You had Rudolph who had positions between
his defender and the pylon. Do you think, yeah, listen,
tough throws catches in the red zone we think about Cousins,
he's a pretty accurate quarterback in the room. You don't
think he I don't think he thought he got a
shot there. He had room in the corner of the

(01:01:16):
end zone and he well overthrew rudof Now, granted it's
first down, you have three more downs to convert. Should
you go for it? Like he just sort of said,
forget it, Uh, don't make any mistakes down here. They
need a touchdown again. The Vikings have dominated the statistics
in the game, but that doesn't matter. What matters is
the scoreboard and they are trailing ten to six. They're
gonna run the ball with Cooking. He's gonna walk in

(01:01:37):
the end zone. Wow. Dalvin cook has been absolutely awesome.
And by the way, was that a hole opened up
by the Vikings offensive line? Back blocking is what really
impressed me. So front side there was nothing doing, but
this is how you win football games. Watch the right side.
The offensive line absolutely cave in the Saints defenders and

(01:01:57):
then you had a nice seal block by who ever
came out of the backfield. It looked like Rudolph. He
was riding Rudolph. Nice job on Cam Jordan's on the outside.
Of the line. And like you just said, it was
a walk in for Dalvin Cook, who's had an absolutely,
while injured at times, phenomenal season for the Vikings. Well,
he's had a phenomenal first half. The extra point is good.
So thirteen ten Vikings leading this game twenty three seconds

(01:02:20):
to go in the first half. Dalvin Cook in the
first half sixteen carries, eighty four yards and a touchdown.
He also caught a pass for nineteen yards. That's a
hundred and three yards yards from scrimmage in the first
half alone for Dalvin Cook. And by the way, yards
rushing in this game Vikings one oh six New Orleans

(01:02:44):
thirty one in fact total yards of Saints only have
a hundred and seventeen total yards. So Mike Zimmer's defense
is doing what we thought they were going to do.
Now it's gonna be up to Sean Payton, uh and
Drew Brees and company to try to figure out what
we can do against this Viking defense. By the way,
I just want to remind you again I did pick

(01:03:06):
the Vikings to get in the Super Bowl this year
against the Chiefs. If they pull this upset against the Saints,
look out, I mean they're playing with house money at
that point, right, yeah, you know. And the Vikings. It's
funny their story, right. If you want to talk about
a team who only beat the teams they were supposed
to beat, that's the Vikings. I mean dead to rights,
you know. I look, I I won't even mention because

(01:03:27):
obviously ten games, I'm not gonna rattle them all off.
But every team who should pose a challenge they lost
to every team who they should have beat, they won.
And the Saints get a big return right now, passing
the forty yard line midfield tackled at the fort Harris,
that's exactly what priest needs to respond. Well, he's got
twelve seconds to make it happen. So there're a forty

(01:03:49):
five yard line of the Vikings. All right, we're in
the guy. Go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's find out
what's trendy right now. We bring on David Gascon. Got
some fireworks here at the end of the first Dame. Yeah,
I kind of wanted to go like hunt for a
bore or something like that with Bridge giving that call,
and I'm I am you you know me, it's the playoffs.
I've had a lot of coffee. They locked me in

(01:04:10):
the basement at Fox here last night with a pot
of coffee, and here, I am what kind of coffee?
Mean is Jeff fuel? I don't know. It was mostly
ground he drink. I gave a gave a recommendation to problem.
One of one of our producers, Ryan Burrshinger, did a
lot of gave him a recommendation for bulletproof coffee. So
with the butter, yes, I highly recommend that, especially making

(01:04:32):
making the trick up from San Diego? Is that a catch?
Did you see that place? Isn't a catch? Michael Thomas?
If he scooped this off the turf and it was
a reception, was my goodness? So in breaking route to
Thomas down by the twenty five yard line, and that
is insane catch. Lord, Okay, So Drew Brees setting up

(01:04:53):
at the high red zone here and just one play
with five seconds left first and ten guys are starting
up for that field goal right now, they're down by three.
You guys bring this up. But not a lot was
talked about this yesterday. This is the same situation the
Bills were in yesterday. Do you guys recall that at
the end of the first half when they lighted to
spike the ball and kill a down as opposed to

(01:05:15):
throwing the ball in the end zone twice. Yeah, listen,
the Bills try to sit on a lead. Good pushed
it wide right. Yeah, that is not good. I mean,
let's see where the laces are. Yeah, Queen snap, queen hold,
excuse indoors, this will never miss a field goal. Indoors

(01:05:38):
like this out. Damn Finkel? Is iin horn? Horn? Is Finkel?
When we have gas on finish up? He's got a
lot to say. I was in no rush. I was
enjoying our witty banter. Guys. How we got here on
the backfield? Breeze on third downs? Great drop, it's a
deep shot. He's looking for ted intercept. Yes it is

(01:05:59):
Hany Harris gets up and runs at to the far side.
Party Harris to the fifty. Well done. That's the seventh
interception this season for Anthony Harris and there are no
flags on the play. Two oh three to go in
the first half and Harris just turned over breeze. Yeah,
that was huge. Vikings Radio Network and Dalvin Cook punch

(01:06:21):
one in. So right now at the break, it's Minnesota
has the advantage. Later in today, Philadelphia and Seattle a
couple of guys in and out. Zach Ertz has been
cleared to play despite the factory's broken ribs. Eagles right
tackle Lane Johnson is out. Seahawks wide receiver John Brown
is also out as well. And guys, uh, Steve, you're
talking about this they think last week and so you

(01:06:43):
guys could dip into this if you'd like. But a
press conference set for tomorrow Nick Saban and to a
tonguabaloa press conference at twelve o'clock Eastern. I wonder what
that is all about. Yeah, well that'll be interesting there.
But the fact that Saban is going to be there, like, well,
it's a great subject. Hey, goodbyes. Yeah, he's he's gonna
say goodbye. Well, we'll we'll, we'll weigh both sides on

(01:07:06):
the future of two A tongue of lad David, thank
you very much. We're coming alive. From the guy called
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seven Otto. The only hard part figuring out which way
is easier. So the missed field goal Saints had a shot.
That means it's thirteen ten vikings at the half. All right, well,

(01:07:29):
let's pick up on this to a thing here is
we got a little halftime action here. Uh. He had
made it clear that tomorrow was gonna be the big
announcement day. Nick Saban's going to be there. I would
be uh a thousand percents stunned if he decided to stay,
because well, when you when you weigh the the options here.
And Dr David Chow, the orthopedist, yes, uh, talked in

(01:07:51):
our station in San Diego this week about this situation
with the hip displacement, and he said, and he said,
he's said, even if there's no bleeding or anything, which
is what really made the Bo Jackson situation a career ender. No,
it was necrosis. It was actually it's not bleeding. So
what happens when you dislocate a hip is even though

(01:08:15):
the hip is such a large joint, what you have
limited blood flow to the femoral head, which is the
thigh bone. It's the largest bone in your body. And
obviously the top of the femur is what lodges into
the hip socket and makes it such a sturdy joint.
It is. It takes a tremendous amount of force to
pull a femur out of a hip socket, so extremely

(01:08:38):
painful and and can be really damaging to the hip joint. Now,
his was a clean dislocation. The issue now is is
enough blood flow getting to that femoral head so that
the femur doesn't die where you actually need, uh, you know,
a hip replacement surgery and then another operation and complications

(01:08:59):
and then limitations of mobility as bone tissue is dying
inside of the hip. Dr Child said, even best case
scenario for an injury like that is eventually it's going
to be an arthritic situation, which means it doesn't mean
he can't play. It just means it might shorten his
career ultimately instead of playing fifteen years, maybe it's ten years,

(01:09:20):
maybe it's eight years. Whatever, he could still play if
it heals properly. But that also brings to mind the
idea that let's let's do a best case scenario for him.
If he were to return to Alabama, they go fifteen
and oh, they win the national championship, he wins the
Iceman Trophy. I mean, there's your best case scenario, right,
He's perfectly healthy. He has a phenomenal year, breaks all
the records, wins Eisman Trophy, they go fifteen and other

(01:09:42):
win a national championship. Those are fifteen games that he loses.
As far as his full football career is concerned, it
doesn't make any sense. There's no reason for to a
tongue of boloa. Even if now they're saying the earliest
he's gonna get back on the field as let's say April,
and let's say by the time the draft rolls around,
there's still a lot of questions about his future in

(01:10:05):
the NFL. This is not gonna deter a team. When
you look at five, six, and seven in this draft,
Miami Chargers, Carolina, those are three teams that you know
are looking at quarterback, and even if they're not looking
at quarterback, somebody behind them is. This is how it
works with quarterbacks. They roll the dice, and if you

(01:10:27):
have a talent like to a tongue of Viola, even
if there may be some questions about his health, it
only takes one team to say the heck with that man,
We're gonna roll the dice on this guy, and it's
gonna happen. Somebody's going to do that onto a tongue
of viola. So I would imagine tomorrow's press conference, uh
New and eastern nine o'clock on the West Coast is
going to be the formality of Nick Saban thanking to

(01:10:50):
a tongue of viola for his three years at Alabama.
Talk about what a great young man he is, what
a great family he has, and wish him absolute best
in his few you're in the NFL. Look here, here's
the thing that I think a lot of people miss
with this conversation. So if you are a third round
draft pick, and I'll use last year's draft as comparison here.

(01:11:14):
So the last pick of the third round was Alexander Madison,
obviously the number two behind Dalvin Cook. In this playoff game,
Minnesota took him with the hundred second pick. Yes, okay.
His signing bonus was eight hundred, two thousand, one hundred
seventy two dollars. His contract was a four year contract

(01:11:35):
that will total should he play out his entirety of
his contract, three million, four hundred seventy one. And by
the way, that's a slotted number. Yeah, you know this
is what you're going And guess what that number improves
next year. So the last pick of the third round
is going to get somewhere nearer. Let's say the tenth
overall pick, the tenth overall pick in the first round.

(01:11:55):
I'll scroll up, as I proved myself. If he's a
top ten pick, what kind of money we talk can about?
I mean, you want to talk about life changing money?
I mean the top of the draft. The tenth overall
pick with Devin Bush obviously went to the Steelers in
the middle linebacker round of Michigan eleven million, seven hundred dollars. Okay,

(01:12:17):
so here's my point. So yeah, he could be a
top ten pick, and he may make twelve million dollars.
He will be a top four or even if his
draft draft stock plummets. There's no way to a tongue
of volo it gets taken south of the third round
and two and to even for a second, try to
coerce a student athlete to remain in school, to continue

(01:12:41):
their college career without being paid anything more than a
tuition with nine hundred thousand dollars in signing bonus and
a four year contract which could amount in something just
south of four million dollars. Should you play it out,
which almost guaranteed he will unless this is as severe
and of an injury as we have ever seen. He's

(01:13:01):
going to have at least two years of that contract,
which means he's gonna make somewhere near two million dollars
just by declaring draft. If he's taken with a hundred
second overall pick of the draft, that is life changing money.
This is a no brainer to a tongue of Iloa
is leaving Alabama and nobody, Nick Saban or anybody in

(01:13:22):
his life should try to commence him otherwise because you'd
be leading a man astray, a young man who hasn't
been able to make a lot of the decisions on
his own. So he better be getting that counsel and
leadership if he comes back to Alabama. It is a
systematic failure on behalf of Alabama football. Tell him, with
all of your might, you need to go and play

(01:13:44):
in the NFL for the betterment of yourself, your family,
and the life changing money that's on the other side
of that decisions. Remember, his younger brothers already on the roster,
so at Alabama like this is a formality and Nick
Saban is gonna have glowing things to say about two
A Hunger Violalos future in the National Football League. And
by the way, he's got some pretty good recruits coming in,

(01:14:05):
so he's not all that worried, to be honest with you.
I mean, you know, you know he was great to
have to h Hey, thanks a Lotti, he threw the
game when he touchdown against Georgia to win a championship.
Thank you very much to it. But no, they'll being
moving on from that. All right. We're in the Geico
Fox Sports radio studios. It's halftime right now. The Vikings
are leading the Saints third team to tim We're gonna

(01:14:27):
get ready for the second half of this game. Uh
and still we gotta get into these matchups that we
now are set for the a f C Divisional round
next week. So the two a f C South teams
eliminated the a f C East teams. Is that good
news for the Ravens and the Chiefs. We're gonna tell
you coming up next second a goal from the five

(01:14:50):
ten six New Orleans deep in the first half. Saints
get the ball to begin the second half. Three receivers
left dealing right hook, the tailback digs in motion to
the right hand off Dalvin up the middle. It's he
see and he said the end zone, Yes he is.
And effortless touchdown by Dalvin Cook and he runs the
Minnesota Vikings to a twelve ten lead. In the shadow

(01:15:12):
of halftime KAFEM Minneapolis and the Vikings radio network extra
point was good. Thirteen ten Vikings leave the Saints. The
second half is just under way. Dalvin Cook a big
first half. Sixteen carries eighty four yards and a touchdown.
You heard that, and he Heilds had a reception for
nineteen yards. By the way, great news quick an easy

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So the third quarter is now under way. We're about
a minute and a half in and the Saints have
the ball trailing thirteen ten at the half and the
halftime stats very much in favor of the Vikings. The

(01:15:54):
one thing that has been a problem for the Saints
in this game is their running game. It has been
non exa existant. Well, Dalvin Cook sixteen carries eighty four
yards for the Vikings Alvin Kamara five carries for fifteen yards.
And I was talking with the t J yesterday about this.
You know, the Saints running they really miss mark Ingram

(01:16:15):
and the point we were making about Ingram not only
is Ingram obviously a Pro Bowl running back, but he
is a locker room presents. Look at the pump up
job he's done for Lamar Jackson. You know, he was
doing the same thing with Alvin Kamara. You know he
was you know, Camara came on as the the new
kid on the block and instead of resisting, Ingram did
the exact opposite. He was like, champion, this kid is

(01:16:36):
like the best tell in the league. He doesn't he
shared a backfield like that since Alabama with Derrick Henry.
I mean, we actually know it was Trent Richardson that
he had. Remember what when the Heisman Trophy and O
nine and the next year he was only a software
He comes back and suddenly he's splitting time with Trent
Richardson and he's the Heisman Trophy winner. I know, and
and again very humbly, with good leadership, and he's done

(01:16:59):
this same thing, as you mentioned, through has not been
the same. This year. No, it hasn't. And and I'll
say this because it feels like you'll say, well, it's
because Alvin Kamara is not as good as a running back,
and that's not the case. He's just been injured this season.
He had the ankle injury, he had the knee injury.
And when you have one of your stars, and there
is no arguing that Alvin Kamara is a star of

(01:17:21):
the Saints offense injured throughout the year, you're going to
have issues. And you know, to the Saints, credit Drew
Brees missing six games and keeping the wheels on with
Teddy Bridgewater, Alvin Kamara missing significant time and keeping the
wheels on without him. These these are the the foundational
stones that will provide you potentially a Super Bowl championship.

(01:17:44):
Being that resilient under that much pressure. As we see
Alvin Kamara take a pretty big loss on third and
one and so the Saints are punting again. Okay, that
was a bizarre play. It was third and one near midfield,
you know, and you want to get something and going here,
and they go with a little trickery instead of well,
I don't know, maybe a quick pass to Michael Thomas

(01:18:07):
and they went with a little shuttle pass a LUs
five y'all you had, uh, you had a Camara in
the slot and they run a fly sweep from shotgun.
They sort of motioned him into the backfield pre snap
with a five wide set, and like you just mentioned
Everson Griffin, I believe it was, you know, defeated a
block and made the tackle for Ladricks was in there
as well. Yeah, it's just it's just it's just gonna

(01:18:30):
be that way. Look, the Vikings, like you said, Mike Zimmer,
great great defensive mind and a very solid head coach,
navigated a pretty hapless season two years ago when you
had the Minneapolis miracle. I mean that they had injuries
all over the place, and especially at the most important position.
Bridgewater goes down. Uh you have uh was it Bradford

(01:18:53):
start the season for them that year? In case Keenum,
your third string quarterback, brings you all the way to
the division round of the playoffs after defeating the Saints
in that wild card round. It was impressive. It was impressive.
So they don't count this Viking team out. So the
Saints punt. Vikings get the ball back, leading this game
by a score of a thirteen to ten. All right,

(01:19:17):
we're coming a lot of different things. So we got
these divisional games. We're just gonna be able to scratch
the service here as we get toward the top of
the hour here. But when you think about the a
f C South teams, you know, Tennessee and Houston, eliminating
the a f C East teams, the Bills and the Patriots.
If you're the Ravens and the Chiefs right now, are

(01:19:39):
you celebrating, I mean to eliminate the Patriots and the
Bills for the Texans and the Titans. Yeah, I would
assume so. Although although this sounds ridiculous, but could you
argue that the Titans are better team than the Patriots?
I mean, I can make that argument. All yea, all
things consider that that that Patriots team, they looked vulnerable.

(01:20:03):
I was saying it all week and I know you
thought that was gonna be a big victory for the
Patriots over the Titans heading into the weekend. But I
was saying to you, if they win, it's gonna buy
be by one score and it's going to take everything
because this is as vulnerable as we've seen them. It's
because they don't have a star anywhere on their offense
outside of Tom Brady and their offensive line has really

(01:20:24):
been poor this season but injured. But I mean, Gavin,
do we have any early lines on these matchups next
week in the a f C. I mean, I got
the Titans. The Ravens are I think close to a
ten point they have to be, right, uh. And as
far as the Chief's favorite against the Texans, I would
imagine that's gotta be five or six points. Wait a second,

(01:20:46):
so are you saying that it would be much different
as far as the spread is concerned that the Patriots
were there instead of the Titans. That's kind of my point. Well,
it depends on how the Patriots looked. If the Patriots
had come out and blow out the Titans, a little
Titan seek back of the Patriots. Let's let's put in
that perspective. So say the Patriots snuck past the Patriots,
I mean, it would still be a ten point spret

(01:21:08):
look and a half point are nine and a half
over the Texas nine and a half, and I think
they would probably be nine and a half point. Ravens
have got to be there. If they're nine and a half,
the Ravens have got to be twelve over the Titan.
I just don't think the teams that got in over
the teams that were there are all that much different.
I think those were very even teams in the wild Card.

(01:21:30):
My question to you is is there any suspense in
the games next week in the a f C and
is there any thought that it will not be the
Ravens and the Chiefs moving on to the f C
Championship game. Where the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Second half Viking Saints coming up next. Oh, we are rolling,
We are rolling as we continue the NFL Wild Card weekend,

(01:21:51):
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the third quarter, Vikings or leading the Saints thirteen to ten.
Saints have the ball back and they are trying to
get some offense going against a very very tough Vikings defense.

(01:22:13):
Just got back to their original line of scrimmage on
a second and nine team play on a checkdown to Camara.
So it's gonna be third intent coming up here. Saints
just really haven't been able to get much going here
offensively because as you mentioned, this Vikings defense has played
tough and we may have an injury. Though his Rhodes,
their cornerback, came up to make a play, he's staying
in the game. We looked like he was grabbing his

(01:22:34):
clavical or his collar bone. Who needs that? You don't
need that. It's a playoff game, especially as a corner.
I mean, you're basically playing basketball out there, all right.
So we got a third and eleven situation officially for
the Saints, and it has been a struggle and there
is an incomplete pass, no penalty flags, and the Saints

(01:22:55):
will be punting the ball back to the Vikings. So
this is what a lot of evil thought, including yours truly,
that the Vikings. Why didn't I take that? You know?
It really kills me. So we make our weekly picks, right,
and I, as you know, I was fourteen and one
before we got to the bowl games, just making a
college football play of the week. I haven't gotten a

(01:23:16):
prediction right, and I had to two things I had
on the table. I was either going to take the
over forty four and a half in the New England
Titans game or I was gonna take the Vikings plus
seven and a half and I went with the over under.
Why did I saw that? You lose and now we're
tied on the year. No, you didn't win, Yes I did.

(01:23:38):
What did you have I had? I had the Houston
Texans covering and they did you have that? I thought
somebody else? I have it written down right here, the
two and a half point names on that again. No, no,
absolutely not Houston minus two and a half and they covered.
So yeah, well, I'm a regular season guy. I'm not
a postseason guy. Well, no, clearly because regular I are

(01:24:00):
three in the postseason, fourteen one in the regular season. Yeah,
you're fourteen and four. I'm fourteen and four. And the
next and the next couple of weeks decide who has
the most betting prowess. Well, what you don't know is
I purposely losing to get you back in the game,
make you feel better once we get to the from
this point on, I will dominate, all right. So alright,

(01:24:22):
so we were just touching upon it the games coming up.
By the way, did we get a line on that
Ravens game you mentioned? The Chiefs are not Ravens are
ten point favorites ten points. That seems weird. Why would
the Ravens only be ten point favorites over the Titans
and the Chiefs are nine and a half over the Texans.
Does it make any sense? I mean, I would think

(01:24:44):
I would think that I spread is pretty significant in
the playoffs, significant, But it seems like the Chiefs are high, right,
nine and a half over the Texans. Well, look, lines change.
I mean, they try to make these as accurate as possible,
But I don't know. I mean, how much money do
you think it's really gonna come on the side of

(01:25:05):
the Texans? Uh? You know, with with anything less? Well,
don't forget the Texans are the worst red zone defense
in the league. Chiefs basically start with the ball in
the red zone. But you also have Andy Reid. Do
you want to take Reid's playoff record? I mean, going
in you're basically in the red zone with Mahomes. By

(01:25:27):
the way, we were talking about a nightmare scenario if
you're Andy Reid. So let's say the Chiefs win, they
beat the Texans, and the Titans pull off the upset
of the century and they win in the Ravens setting
up Titans at Kansas City for the Super Bowl and
the cheese fans thing, and finally we get a walk
in except the fact that Andy Reid is one in

(01:25:47):
five against the Titans. Can you imagine if they were
to beat them in the FC Championship games, would that
be enough to get rent a re fired. I've asked
us of cheese fans, how long are you okay with
the idea of always making the playoffs but not getting
to the Super Bowl? I mean, how many years can
you continue with this? You know this? SNAr well? I

(01:26:08):
mean right now they're not the favorite to get to
the super Bowl. Obviously, the Ravens are. The Chiefs have
never been more popular in Kansas City than they are
right now. I mean when you are an owner, so
you came as a fan though, I mean it's been
fifty years. It's fifty years celebration the Chief's one and
only Super Bowl championship, and that was over the vikings
As fifty years ago. Uh So, if for the next

(01:26:31):
ten years with Andy Reid they get into the we
talked about this with the Dodgers in baseball. You know,
how many times can you get to the playoffs and
not actually win the World Series? At what point do
you say you know what and I'm that's I mean,
you know this as well as I to Gavin, I
mean Dave Roberts. Four years there has been a couple
of World Series people are you will be in battled

(01:26:52):
at a certain point, you will be in battle? They
won't be this season. Now, there will be questions raised
after going consecutive a C Championship games and losing, especially
if this losses to the Titans, they lose to the Ravens.
I sort of feel like that's what they're supposed to do.
Are they beat the Ravens. It doesn't matter the manner
in which they lose. If because of the Mike Rabel

(01:27:15):
type decision yesterday that worked out for him, but you
know that had a lot of people doubting, Oh, there's
no doubt. Here's the deal. You can't have a situational
clock management mishaps by Andy Reid because that has been
one of the black clouds hanger over otherwise a very
great head coaching career for Andy Reid. Uh is the
fact that time out usage, clock management end of the

(01:27:37):
game has been a little bit of a blind spot
for him and some of the play calling Layton games also,
so as long as there isn't a mishaps, like you said,
the way you lose if you lose in the FC
championship game. I don't think anybody's getting bout an eye
when Andy Reid is your head coach next season, especially
with a young quarterback has talented as Mahomes and you
help sculpting his career. Something has been going on on

(01:27:59):
the side line with Diggs. He has no targets today.
He has not one target through past half midway. I mean,
you're in the middle of a playoff game and you're
digs and you want to you want to raise this.
You got your helmet off. You're he was the guy
who wanted to be traded earlier, but that was early
in the season. We're in a playoff game that you're

(01:28:20):
winning right now, and Diggs is only worried about his targets.
Are you serious? Listen all these guys. I understand how
it looks. Adam Feeling just caught a big pass inside
the twenty yard line. Maybe that's why they're not throwing
a ham Diggs because theeland is making it happen. I
understand how it looks on the sidelines sometimes, but you
have no idea what's being said, you know, I mean

(01:28:41):
it could be one of those situations. He threw his
helmet to like he could have been wide open, screaming
down the sideline and they missed a huge shot to him.
For all we know, it looks it's no. He hasn't
been targeted once every I know that. I'm saying he
could have been wide open and Kirk Cousins didn't even
look his way. But it's a playoff game. Why are
you worried about your targets when your team is winning

(01:29:03):
a playoff game on the road because you're winning by
three points and you think that's a safe lead if
you think you had to walk in touchdown. Look, i'm
building a scenario here. This is all hypotheticals. My point
is I want guys who are competitive on my sideline.
I'm not gonna chastise Digs for getting frustrated in a
in a moment that could potentially have broken this game

(01:29:24):
open for the Vikings. Should have been that serious. Well
right now, the Vikings are on the move and they
are and we may have had a targeting. I think
it might be a face mask. I can't tell there
was contact that then the play, well, they threw a
flag was at helmet to helmet. If they're saying Genora's
Jenkins lowered his head, then you're right. It would be
a targeting players to replay on the play right there

(01:29:47):
and anything. I don't see anything either. He led with
his shoulder and really there was no helmet to help.
It was Johnson who lowered his head into the contact
with Genora's Jenkins. So and by the way, it was
only a few minutes ago that Alvin Camaro was hit
helmet to helmet and they did not call it. Sean
Payton was very upset with the officials. I believe they're

(01:30:09):
calling off the play. There is no penalty. I think
they're picking up the flag on this one. What happened
was the receiver, Yeah, there was no target. Johnson was
going and generous Jenkins lead with his shoulders. So I
think they were you know what happened, You know what
happened there, And it's almost like they threw the flag
in anticipation of what was about to happen, and it

(01:30:29):
didn't happen. Oh, I don't doubt picked it up. Oh,
I don't doubt. I give him credit for picking it up,
but it also tells you sometimes they're making calls before
they actually happened. Second and one, big stop by the
Saints defense. Again, the red zone has not been a
friend of the Vikings. They've been stuffed uh twice in
this part of the field. And now Diggs losing his

(01:30:50):
cool a little bit, getting into it with the Saints
defensive backfield. What is going on with Diggs? Get him
off the field, man, Are you're gonna blow this game
for the He's gonna make an packed some way. Yeah,
it may end up being the opposite way. Get get
get off of your own Your team is winning right now. Yeah,
you gotta make sure that it's worry about your targets

(01:31:12):
and everything else. All right. So it is third and one.
They little play action right now and Cousins could have
run for the first down. Throws it first down inside
the two yard line. Oh and it was Diggs. He
found Diggs. It was a rollout plays and passed, he
boots and he could have taken yourself for the first down.
That's absolutely right. He finds Digs on just sort of

(01:31:34):
a lazy crossing route where he just settled in the
middle of a zone and found a safe purchase for
kirk Cousins to find him. A great job by kirk
Cousins keeping his eyes down field as he was making
a run for the yard of games. So it's going
to be first and goal at the two yard line
for the Vikings, setting up sat stem their front. Kirk
Cousins sends someone in motion and he pushed forward for

(01:31:56):
the sneak. I think they stuffed him. Yeah, that didn't
go anywhere. That was another back. So I mean you
got Dalvin Cook. Okay, you know I don't mind, because
I mean if you never mind, I don't I'd never
mind the sneak at the goal line. You know what
I might have when you have a quarterback like Kirk
Cousins who looked like he never had a sneak before.

(01:32:17):
I mean, did you see that. I mean, there's there's
here's what happens the quarterbacks, no quarterbacks, the quarterbacks to
the ball there at the inch at the line. Then
another sneak. Right now, you're gonna stick it again. I'll
sneak it again. He's gonna get it. And he well
he got hit of the goal line. Oh I thought

(01:32:37):
he got in. No, No, no, he got hitted goal no, Yeah,
they're marking him in. They're somebody said touchdown, but not everybody. No,
he got clawvered right out. It was closed. I think
he got in. I think I saw there. Here he is.
He comes up and then he's right at the goal
line and well, that angle you can't tell from that

(01:32:59):
angle with the ball across the line. Some PILs take
a look right here down the line again, watch the ball.
Only did he get over the line? Can't see that
line either shielded? Well, again, you need to have irrefutable
video evidence, which is a touchdown. So right now the

(01:33:20):
Vikings are leading nineteen to ten. There is a review
of that touchdown, and the Saints are in trouble. We're
in the guy go. Fox Sports Radio Studios will continue
our coverage of Annecy Wild Card weekend coming up next.
Or has seventy nine yards passing, Alvin Camara has nineteen
yards rushing. You're not gonna win when your number one

(01:33:44):
passer has seventy nine yards and your number one running
back has nineteen yards. That is not a formula for success.
The reality is the Vikings have dominated this game. They
have the ball and they're leading twenty to ten. Now,
if the Vikings win this game, they are heading to
San Francisco, WO. This be unbelievable. My prediction. It's right

(01:34:09):
there on the paper Vikings Chiefs Super Bowl, Dalvin Cook
stopped in the backfield, big tackle for loss. Edwards Junior
burst through the line of scrimmage on a first down play,
So it's gonna be second in something there. Your way
to say, it's premature for me to say that the
Vikings are gonna win this game, like this is a
ten point lead that the Vikings are sporting against a

(01:34:30):
Drew Brees, Michael Thomas, Alvin Camara offense. I'm saying it
maybe a little early to get that excited about a
two score lead. All right, So you don't mean to
do any preview of the Vikings forty Niners matchup in
the division round on this wild card game, And really,
I mean, this is going the exact opposite of the

(01:34:51):
way I thought it would go. Um But the Saints
just burst through the line of scrimmage again, and there's
a flag on the play, so maybe defensive of neutral
zone in fraction camp Jordan's just came through the line
of scrimmage. Look at the Saints defense right now. Is
realizing we got to do something here. I think they're calling.
Is that a false start on the Vikings? A false

(01:35:12):
start to play the dead? Oh wow yeah? Yeah, wow
wow wow. This would have been huge. They were trying
to do a pitch out camp Jordan tackled kirk Cousins
before he was able to complete the pitch, scooped it
himself and scored a touchdown, but play dead with a
false se Alright, So, um, no, I just I I.

(01:35:33):
The Vikings to me have been an intriguing team, and
you mentioned rightfully. So when you look at the Vikings
record this year and they're ten wins their ten games
against teams they should have beaten every time, they seem
to be on in a big game, and it really
comes down to Kirk Cousins. I like Kirk cousins record
in really big games. We got a potential fumble. Is

(01:35:55):
that a fumble picked up by the Saints? All right? Now,
this was an interesting play that Lattimer who got the
ball back. Okay, So we have the official is calling
incomplete pass, all right, So this they're gonna have to
replay this one this okay, So kirk Cousins throws a

(01:36:16):
pass he's under a lot of pressure and the ball
is and is that Madison under That's not a catch
that is stripped out. It was a great defensive play,
stripped from his hands as he got the balls. So
they were setting up the screen pass underneath. Yeah, they
were set up the screen underneath the middle screen kind
of bodies there and the ball was stripped as soon
as he got the ball. It was a great place,

(01:36:36):
so bank bang, good defensive play, and now we got
third and seventeen. There was no challenge on that play.
But right now the Saints defense is trying to make
something happen in a draw play that's gonna get yards,
but not enough so the Vikings will pump the ball here.
But I said this about Kirk Cousins before the season began.

(01:36:57):
I kept looking at Kirk Cousin's career and you look
at the numbers right, and you're like, why isn't this
guy one more games? His numbers are good, he has
a high completion percentage, His touchdown past interception ratio is
always good. Why is it not translating in the winds?
And then you start looking every time he's got a
Markuee game, he comes up short he just time and

(01:37:19):
time again, oh and nine on Monday night football. Uh,
and it just you know, anytime you have a major game,
this guy just comes up short. So my feeling is this,
if he were ever to, you know, win a game
where you weren't expecting to win a game, could that
flip the switch? So if somehow the Vikings win this
game on the road against the Saints, I'm just wondering,

(01:37:42):
could that flip a switch where suddenly Kirk Cousins goes
into San Francisco and finds a way of winning the game.
I mean, it's it's it's far fetched, but it's not
like the forty Niners or any lock. They have a
quarterback that's ever obviously been in a playoff game, and
Jimmy Garoppolo that's sort of an unknown of what we're
gonna see with the forty Niners are actually in the playoffs.

(01:38:05):
So I mean, this is kind of the part of
the game where they typically handed back though, right, you know,
so what we're used to seeing. And it was no
different than when they were in eight and four team
heading off to Seattle and we're sporting a seven point
lead at halftime. Uh, they go scoreless in the third
and Seattle comes all the way back and then leads
the rest of the game. It's just it's one of

(01:38:28):
those things where the Vikings when they're facing and and
again and and it's Kirk Cousins at quarterback, and there's
a lot of that mystique that carries over as well
when the Vikings are in a game, especially when they're
on the road, especially when it's a primetime game, especially
when it seems like the chips are stacked against them,
even when they have some early success, they find a

(01:38:50):
way to hand it back. And so we've even seen
it this season with this squad. Uh. Of course, they
dropped eight and five after the Seattle game, and then
again they beat all the teams they were supposed to,
but in the games where they even had a chance
to beat a team who was better than them on paper,
they found a way, even with the lead, to hand
it back. And so that could be the case today
against the Saints. All Right, the third quarter has ended,

(01:39:13):
so based on what the Vikings game plan was, it
has gone to perfections so far. I mean, total yards
are to seventy seven eight in favor of the Vikings.
First down sixteen and nine Vikings. But the key stat
time of possession twenty six minutes for the Vikings nine
team for the Saints. How do you slow down that

(01:39:35):
States offense? You keep them off the field. That's why
the Vikings have been pounding the ball on the ground.
They've had twenty seven Rushi attempts. The States have had
just twelve. So and holding the scenes, by the way
scoreless in the third quarter is impressive, There's no doubt
about it. But but you have to play the fourth
against breeze and you've just had, you know, the biggest
stub toe of the game so far with that last drive,

(01:39:56):
a couple of plays and a couple of near misses
on turnovers. So they're pumping it away to a Saints
team who now has their backs against wall at home.
I don't know this quarter is going to determine a
lot as far as how the postseason picture looks on
the NFC side. I mean that's not saying very much.
All these games do, but really, if you're the San

(01:40:17):
Francisco forty Niners and you're waiting to see who emerges
from this game, who do you want to see? By
the way last three drives, the last two drives for
the Saints, three and out, three plays for negative one
yard at three place for two yards. That's the last
two drives for the Saints, so they will get the
ball here as we start the fourth quarter, starting from

(01:40:38):
about their own fourteen yard line. They still have the
camera on Digs, So he's still bitching the moaning or
is he okay that he finally cut a pass? I mean, seriously,
can you can you imagine you're you're winning a game
on the road in the playoffs and you have a
teammate screaming about not getting targeted or not getting any Yeah, look, seriously,

(01:41:03):
I mean if you if you were in the huddle
with this guy, would you slap him or we don't,
we don't know, we don't know what was said. I
I get even if you say, hey, I was open,
why didn't you throw me the ball? Why why are
you doing that in the middle of a playoff. But again,
you're you're you're making hypotheticals and and I couldn't make
just as many on the side of Digs where it
could have been something that needed to be communicated, and

(01:41:25):
he did so passionately. It seemed like Kirk Cousins whatever
was said on the sideline, Kirk Cousins had a favorable
reaction to it, patted him on the back of the head,
and then Diggs did the same to him, and so,
you know, whatever was said, the exchange was passionate, there's
no doubt about it. But there was an understanding as
they you know, parted ways on the sideline. And really

(01:41:46):
I haven't seen anything since. So unless there's a bigger
story here, I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily want
to cast dispersions until we know the full story. All right, Well,
I don't want to repeat of that. We're in the
guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's sign out with trendy.
I don't want you to talk over Gas on this time. Listen.

(01:42:06):
I always give Gas on this space to give us
a full up. You want to be a last update.
I would never ever you were doing play by play.
Wasn't the raw of that? You know this as well
as I do, Gas, I do. I I mean I
give you space like an open flame. I nourish you. Yeah,
I feed you fuels right now? It's crazy. Okay, Well

(01:42:29):
maybe this time it's like every day I come in
the studio and blah, I get it. Go and ask
Steve how he's doing, and he's like, well, David, by
the way, did you know Yes, I'm like an hour later, Steve,
can I get some Mary? Please? Have? How many times
have I repeated my life story to you? I wish

(01:42:51):
you would write a book. Look at Mike Harmon, He's
heard my life story many times. Yeah, you know what.
You have a lot of things and even your sports
career that I appreciate, but but your dating life fascinates
me to There's a lot that goes into that. Ye.

(01:43:11):
Rich actually knows more details than anyone. Anyways, Guys, Minnesota
New or Leans. Right now in the fourth quarters, second
and goal from inside the one I formation behind her,
He's gonna hand it to Dalvin. Dalvin heads to the
ends on right side. Dalvin Cooks second rushing touchdown has

(01:43:32):
given the Minnesota Vike games a night tem Ted lead Rich,
you should do that with Ted Lightner. You got it. Yes,
great commentary with the leader. Right now in the fourth
quarter of twenty to ten, Dalvin Cook nineteen carries for
eighties seven yards and two scores. As a team, Minnesota
seven rushes for a hundred eighteen yards. In this ball game,

(01:43:53):
Drew Brees has been sacked twice, has also been picked
off once. Phillis He's got a rating of sixty nine
point one. They're in some serious trouble right now as
they're in the fourth quarter. Tonight in Philadelphia and Seattle,
kickoff times at four forty Eastern Zachords will play in
that ballgame. Right tackle Lane Johnson is out. In one
quick note in the NBA, no quide Letard today for

(01:44:14):
the l A Clippers, load management fellows right back to it. Yeah,
that's amazing load management. After to get blown out at
home by the Grizzly Grizzly one forty and Kawhi Leonard's responses, Hey,
back to back, So I don't do those out any
given Sunday. Right the Grizzlies, they have just as good

(01:44:34):
as shot as any of the other thirty teams out
there coming. Doc Rivers after that game was like, wow,
we're not a good team one forty of the Grizzlies. Anyway,
We're coming alive from David. Thank you. We're coming live
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(01:44:56):
only hard part figuring out which way is easier. All right,
So the Saints are driving right now and they need points.
We're inside twelve minutes to go on the fourth quarter.
Vikings lead this game by a score of ten. Drew Brees,
who inexplicably in my opinion, got passed over on the
All Century team for the NFL. And I always go

(01:45:18):
back to this, you'll have an obsession. Well, no, but
my point is this, you pick, you pick Calvin. You
picked Dann Marino over Drew Brees, right, and yet Drew
Brees has broken all of Marino's career records and he
won a Super Bowl, something Marino did not do. So
how do you justify picking Marino? Let me explore Drew

(01:45:38):
Brees and then let me see if you feel better.
I'm missing something, I'll explain it, and then we'll see
if you feel better back. So we're all in agreement
that this list is subjective. That you had, you know,
a handful or five I think there was, Okay, so
you have you have people deciding on this list. Okay,

(01:45:59):
wouldn't you say that they're potentially could have been even
demographic issues with the people they asked to evaluate these quarterbacks. Say,
the age ranges of all these participants in this study
were their ideas, their historians of the game. Okay, but

(01:46:21):
still that could have a deeper impact on who gets
selected and who doesn't. Just the same way you're sitting
here in stern disagreement that Drew Brees gets left off
the list. There's plenty of people who would have the opinion, no,
but Marino is in over Breeze. But I'm saying, hold
all the career records, touchdown passes, yardage, you have the

(01:46:41):
highest completion percentage of the history of the game, and yes,
you did win a Super Bowl and we're the Super
Bowl MVP. Shouldn't that be enough to Rachel among the
top ten quarterbacks of all times? Well, I'm not going
to disagree with you. But at the same time, if
somebody has to be left out of a list of
a lad and you agree with the majority of the
names who made this list, whatever it may be contextually

(01:47:05):
that had them vote Marino over Breeze, I know it's
something of an impass for you, but it wasn't for them,
And so subjectivity, I would love to sit down with
each and every one of those guys and and try
to figure out what their reasoning was. The Saints are
rolling right now. They're now to the twenty yard line,
and nice run for a first down right now. So
the Saints down ten eleven eleven and the clock is moving.

(01:47:28):
So now the offensive line, they haven't had much of
a running game today, but they definitely opened up a
hole right there to get first down. The irnish down
to the twenty yard line. Yeah, you had single back,
so it was really a light box for the Minnesota Vikings.
What I mean is defenders close to line of scrimmage,
near the offensive line, and so you had man on
man blocking. The Saints imposed their will for a first down. Look,

(01:47:50):
this is the part of the game that I was
saying to you, Steve. If the Saints really wake up
and get rolling here, this is where the Vikings have
typically handed games back. The Saints cannot turn over of football.
That's the most important thing here alright, throwing to the end.
So right now, wide open, Taysom Hill touchdown. Unbelievable, nobody him.
He just walked right down the field. Taysom Hill, the

(01:48:14):
b y U quarterback, turned utility man, I mean covers
kickoffs for the Saints. He's a running back, he's a
tight end, he's a fullback, he's an h back, he's
a receiver. I mean he was in short motion across
to the He's the farthest receiver aligned outside of cook
on on the left side of the offensive formation. You're

(01:48:34):
absolutely right. Nobody covered him out of the out of
the That is just I mean, he's He's unbelievable. And
then to have that much time the ball was slightly
underthrown because Breeze just got it to the spot it
needed to be and he had to wait for the
ball to get to his hands and he catches it
as if he's been doing that forever. Alright, So Tanny,

(01:48:55):
half minutes to go in the fourth quarter, twenty is
seventeen Vikings over the same south. This is where it's
critical for Kirk Cousins. This is where we're gonna find
out about Kirk Cousins. What they need now is a
time consuming drive the results and points. That is what
the Vikings need right now from their quarterback is a

(01:49:15):
time consuming drive the results in points. You know, I
want to get to some of this movement of quarterbacks.
You know, it's it's interesting we talked about Teddy Bridgewater.
The fact is Teddy Bridgewater was the Vikings quarterback and
then he had a devastating injury, and then they had
this carousel of quarterbacks before they decided to invest all

(01:49:38):
this money in Kirk Cousins. Teddy Bridgewater now has a
chance to sort of choose his next destination. How about
Teddy Bridgewater returning to the Vikings. I could see it.
I could see it. I mean, if you're Briest, takes
a snap, waist, Tide drops back, looking to throw towards

(01:49:59):
the end zone. Touchdown, touch Hill Taysom Hill all alone
in the back of the end zone. And that is
exactly what this offense needed. They needed a touchdown on
this ground. W w L Saints Radio Network. All right,
Steve Harbin, Rich Ormburger with you here. We're getting to

(01:50:19):
the nitty grittyvet. Five to go on the fourth quarter,
Vikings leading the Saints seventeen. The Saints have a third
and one right now, So the Saints trying to come
back in this game. And suddenly Breeze is looking a
lot better. He's now twenty and twenty six in the
game hundred fifty nine yards. He did have the earlier interception,

(01:50:43):
he had the touchdown. He just heard the Taysom Hill.
Still no running game for the Saints. They only have
sixty yards on the ground. But we talked before about
how critical was for the Vikings to uh and tay
Sam Hill is just killing the Vikings. Hill lines up
at order back again and it's a planned run. You
had a motion man. I want to say it was

(01:51:04):
Rudolph I'm not sure though, And then you had a
puller to the right side of the offensive line, and
I mean just an avalanche blockers in front of him,
and he rumbles for another I don't I have six
seven yards and you know what happened here. You've got
guys trying to strip him of the ball instead of
wrapping him up, and he got an extra five yards
out of it. I I it's just so so impressive.

(01:51:27):
I mean, this is a quarterback from college doing all
these different things and in one of the most important
games of the year, well the most important game of
the year, and I want to sort of concentrate on that.
This is what's so special about the NFL. It's a
single game. It's single elimination. There is no series here.
It's win or go home. That's the reason why I

(01:51:47):
love the wild Card round in baseball. Now, and you
have purist complain about how you can't play and three
and four game series to decide all these matchups throughout
a hundred sixty two games edule. But yeah, we have
one game decided now. It builds interests. Everybody in the
country who has any sort of a sports interest pumping

(01:52:09):
through their body is watching this game right now. Everything
not that way. The better team wins, all right, Here
we go. H Saints have a first down right now,
they're in. They're on forty seven and there's a pass
across is the fifty yard line. So we are counting
down to five minutes ago in the fourth quarter, and

(01:52:30):
the Saints offense is suddenly looking good. There's no doubt
Taysom Hill has been the m v P for the Saints.
Without him, this game would have been over a long
Remember he threw a fifty yard bomb to Deonte Harris.
Whoo where did he come from? Consumption? Consumption? I mean
Division two school. He's made him a stud in this game.
He also down to Harris, also had that long kickoff

(01:52:52):
return for them earlier. But still, I mean, he's caught
a touchdown, he's thrown along pass, he's rushed for crucial
first down, and he's in the game again, and he's
running a QB sweep up the left. He's running all right,
peg head, he's off to the races. This is unbelievable.
So he just rattles off on second and six about
a thirty yard game for the Saints. Taysom Hill. Don't

(01:53:14):
take him out, look at him. He's right now. So
these are just direct snaps, so you know he's gonna
run the ball. This is like Tim Tebow back in
the day. I mean, he's just running over pep. Why
is Lamar Jackson special. I'll tell you why he's special,
and you already know it, but I'll do it anyways.
It's because when he runs the football, which he does often,
you have an extra blocker on the field because Tim Tebow.

(01:53:38):
Don't ee Tebow back in the days better than Tebow
as far as running the ball. And you've forgotten Tebow
the year he led the Broncos to the playoffs. Running
over people the way he did this is just incredible.
So I didn't realize you have such distain for Tim Tebow.
Oh we have a funball and the Vikings have recovered.
We have a strip sack in the backfield and the

(01:54:00):
Vikings dove on. It's Vikings and who was that quarterback?
They just got stripped the ball. So you you have
Taysom Hill just running through them and Drew Brees get
stripped of the ball, fumble and the Vikings get the
ball back. Wowow, this game on believable. Alright, So yeah,

(01:54:25):
you're absolutely right. I mean that was clean. That was
Daniel Hunter from the defensive end position. He just jumped
inside a quick rush on Ramsick. Here's why I understand.
Here's why I don't understand. It wasn't a strip. In
other words, he was he had his hands on him,
Breeze had the ball extended. You gotta pull that ball in,

(01:54:46):
you gotta you gotta take the sack. He was still
trying to, I don't know, make a play of it,
and then the ball just flew out of his hands,
recovered by the Vikings. The only watch this play, so
I see exactly what your sirs got him. He was
trying to get away from him and he was gonna
try to make a play and the ball slipped out
of his hand, and you know what, truthfully, in the grass,

(01:55:07):
even though Hunter had him around the waist, he may
have been able to get a pass off. And I
think he had an outlet route he was eyeing down.
But that is a great play by Danil Hunter and
Drew Brees. This that is a call. That's the only literally,
the only thing that could you know, Like damn Marino
was on the team over Drew Brees right there talking

(01:55:27):
about this all century listening. Ah, here we go. Kirk
Cousins trying to make a play. Bounced past. It bounced past.
He digs look at him like, really, listen, you got
he's laughing at him. Now. That was not a very
good throw. Wow, Diggs, Like you bounced a pass to me?

(01:55:51):
I was open, all right? All right? So where are we?
Three thirty nine to go, three thirty three to go.
Right now in the fourth quarter, it is a third
and nine for the Vikings, and it Kirk Cousins needs
to make a play if the Vikings are gonna win
this game. They dodged a bullet with that fumble. They'll
probably not dodge another bullet. They need a first down

(01:56:14):
in the worst way right now, and it's up to
cousins here and the past is on the money finds
Adam Feeling at the sideline. He is thrown out of bounds.
But they're saying that, oh, look at the mark on
that play. Are you kidding me? That's a bad mark.
That's a really bad mark. It's gonna be about six

(01:56:35):
inches short of the first down. Yeah. They're saying that
his forward progress stopped where he was tackled. The ball
flew out there there saying that all right here, we
keep it right here on Fox Sports Radio. When did
you think we'd ever say thank Haavin's Drew Brees is
back in. He's back to paddle ball. We dropped it.

(01:56:57):
Get it, Vikings, come on, it's a full ball fall. Yes,
we got that ball. That's kay fanm Innneapolis. Then the
Vikings Radio network, we'll give you the sequence shortly after
what happened after that play. Once again, we're coming you
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(01:57:20):
dot com for a free rate quote. So after the fumble,
the Vikings got the ball back and then Dalvin Cook
fumbled Saints recovered and ran it into the end zone. However,
replay showed clearly the Dalvin Cook's knee was down before
the ball was stripped, and the call was reversed, so
the Vikings got the ball back. However, on third and nineteen,

(01:57:45):
Kirk Cousins, in full panic mode, got sacked and the
Vikings have punted away. So we are inside two minutes
in the fourth quarter and the Saints have the ball.
So once again, there was a lot of different things
going on there. But I keep getting back to Kirk Cousins.

(01:58:07):
Kirk Cousins, this is where the elite quarterbacks you can
just tell. The spotlight is never too bright. Doesn't mean
they're always going to deliver, but the spotlight is never
too bright. You know they're ready. I mean, you even
watch Drew Brees here. You know he he fumbled the
ball away, you know, gave the Vikings a chance to

(01:58:28):
really almost close this game out. But you don't see
any panic on Drew Brees. I expect now with the
ball back down three, we're gonna see something going on
with Drew Brees in the Saints. Let's put it this way.
This game in a lot of ways, especially if they
end up losing, it is going to cement the legacy
of kirk Cousins. I mean, how many more opportunities are

(01:58:50):
you gonna have? That's why I say, Teddy Bridgewater, welcome
back to Minnesota. And so you have this, uh, you
have this three point lead in precarious Straits. Right now
is Drew Brees steps onto the field and I mean,
how many comeback victories does he have in the fourth quarter.
It's absurd if if you lose this game and you're
the Vikings and your season ends. I mean, you know,

(01:59:13):
the same way you were talking about, say Andy Reid.
You know you can have postseason success, but there comes
a point where expectations are high enough where everybody looks
at the situation and goes, well, we need to make
a change. And it's just wherever you feel the common
denominator is, and with the Minnesota Vikings are are, do
you have a quarterback who's getting in the way of

(01:59:34):
success when the matter, when the moments matter the most.
And so this is for for the Saints obviously the
most important drive of their season before kirk Cousin's career
and his legacy. Potentially the same can be said Breeze
has fifty three game winning drives any of the fourth
quarter of overtime amount. All right, so they started their

(01:59:56):
own thirty yard line a short pass to get this drive.
Start it again. Vikings leading in this game twenty to
seventeen way overtime game yesterday, potentially another overtime game here
unless the Saints get in the end zone. Uh, they're
just running sideline passes. Uh, stopping the clock. I mean,
this is working out perfectly here. Breeze has been there,

(02:00:17):
done that so many times, and go first down sts
Vikings playing coverage, obviously a soft rush up front, keeping
everything in front of them right now, So there it appears,
at least in virtue through the middle of the field.
They're giving them the sideline. They concerned about will Letts,
who missed a makeable field goal right before the half,
still on their side the field, though. I think the

(02:00:39):
deal is this, don't get beat on a big chunk
play down field, make them, make them use the clock
here if you can bracket the sidelines and tackle them
in bounds. Yeah, you missed that forty three yard or
right before the half. All right, now, this is clock
running here. The Saints have one time out remaining. The
Vikings have all three time outs. The Saints are short

(02:01:01):
of a first down the second one one, and the
clock is running from one and one oh nine past
the camera there near the sideline. He fell down inbounds
on his own and was tapped down. So Drew brees
from the shotgun on second and one and he finds
who is that? That is Michael Thomas over in the middle.
Clock is running. That's gone alright. So the Saints again,

(02:01:24):
uh down three in this game. Right now, the clock
is running, so they are trying to Here's what I
do at the yarn. I try to pump on down
the field right here. Well, they're still going short and
that's in the field of play, and that is gonna
run clock. They're down to the twenty six yard line.
So at the very least right now, the Saints are

(02:01:45):
in uh field goal range twenty six. Clock is running.
They have the one time out remaining, but they got
to take a shot at the ends on all right,
so they're gonna spike the ball. Stop the clock. We
got on seconds left. This might be an illegal formation.
They may not have the right number of men on
the line of scrimmin so let's see what the officials

(02:02:07):
say here. But they went up to the ball to
spike it after the after the reception, and we are
still seeing Seanpagne Mike zimmer is getting involved with one
of the officials. It's gonna be a false start on Well,
that's gonna move them back five yards. Uh, still in
field goal range, although that's gonna add a little distance
back about a forty seven yard field goal. But again

(02:02:30):
stopping the clock, seconds remaining. Saints are down in this
game and the first intense, so you have some you
have some opportunities to take shots down field, but you
must throw those to the sideline. Uh, if you are
going to throw at all. It was an illegal shift.
It was an illegal shift. And there's a ten second

(02:02:50):
runoff on top of that, because in two minutes so
so now you're down to twenty one seconds. First in
ten let's see what happened here. Who is moving? Oh wow,
it was Chimara. He was the wide man in the
formation and he was still walking up to the line
of scrimmage. So they called on a legal shift. The
wait a second, it was at twenty one seconds. Shouldn't

(02:03:11):
the run up be down to eleven seconds. I mean
the clock was at twenty one seconds when the penalty
flag was dropped, right now, yeah, it should go any second.
Here we go, here we go. Here goes the officials
asking for the game clock to be changed, and there
it is eleven seconds now all right, So now you

(02:03:31):
got eleven seconds and you're the Saints. What are you doing?
You probably call a running play. I would guess you
still have the one. They still have the one time
out remaining. Here thirty one yard line. So right now
we're staring at a forty eight yard field goal. If
they don't gain a yard, yeah, you throw, you throw
to the sideline. Uh you take Yeah, there you go

(02:03:54):
the ball. Seven seconds you run another play? No no, no, no,
Now you're lining it up for the field goal. If
you think I don't know, they don't. I think you're
lined up for the field goal. A right they are.
Here comes the field goal team. So lets you missed
earlier from forty three. It's gonna have to hit a
forty at least forty eight. Sometimes they might line it
up even a yard further to give him some room.

(02:04:16):
They'll see where they actually line up for this field goal.
But it's gonna be a blast. They keep showing sideline
shots to Kirk Cousins, And I mean, now you want
to talk about pressure, You want to talk about having
to put the game on your back. It's gonna be
forty nine yards. You let yards, you let the Saints
back in. By the way, the Vikings have three timeouts.
They just used one of them. Let's kick the ball

(02:04:38):
right down the middle, but there was the first time out.
And guess what. The Vikings have two more time outs,
So yeah, do you keep using them? You gotta start
thinking about where the Saints have been the past two seasons, right,
you know what I mean early exits. Well, you have
the miracle, the Minneapolis miracle, and that got them in

(02:05:00):
the round. And then the Rams obviously on the past interference.
I was never called that. They blame the whole game
on a lot of moments in that game that could
have had back, but that's one that they felt really
broke the game open against the Rams. So alright, do
the Viking is gonna try to freeze them again? Here?
All right, so they still have two time outs left.
Let's first kick was right down the middle, but time

(02:05:22):
out was called. Here we go this time? No time out.
The kick is up and it's right down the middle man,
same exact spot. It counts, and so it is twenty
two seconds remaining on the clock. We're going overtime. We
are going to overtime. Alright, So now what I mean,
like you said, the way the Saints season has ended

(02:05:42):
the last couple of years, you know, by the way,
let's perfect right down the middle, just a line shot,
no shot right there? All right, good stuff? All right,
we're here in the Geico Fox Sports Radio studios. Does
it get any better than overtime and playoff games? By
the way, that's two overtimes and three games so far,
both of the early games so far in the wild card. Okay,

(02:06:03):
that's that's pretty good for the National Football League. We'll
get you to ot coming up next, just from yards
snapping hold of down trick as a road. It's a
row winding and there's three of the uprights, and not
find much you want to hard stop 'll try watching
that one live w w L Saints Radio Network. Well

(02:06:23):
lots makes the field goal ties it up, and we
are in overtime. Steve Harbin, Rich Armburger with you here
Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. The Vikings will get the
ball first in overtime. The rules of overtime in the
postseason are the same as they are in the regular season.

(02:06:44):
The only difference is there's no tie in a postseason game.
They will go and go and go keep until somebody
actually wins this game. So the Vikings score a touchdown
on their opening drive game over, if they get a
field goal, Saints get the ball back, they can match
the field goal. Once both teams have had the ball,
then it doesn't matter. Which is, by the way, what

(02:07:04):
happened yesterday in that game between the Texans and the Bills.
Both teams failed on their first attempt, and then the
Texans went down and scored uh to win that game
over a Bills team that still has not won a
playoff game since. Still amazes me that a coin toss
decides possession in the postseason of would do it? Well,

(02:07:25):
I mean, just whoever got the ball at the half
give it to the opposite team, you know what I mean,
so at least you can see it coming. Well, but
in overtime they start, it's like starting the game over.
But I I understand why they do it, but I
don't know. Just to me, the coin toss at the
beginning of the game is fair because nothing's happened yet.
But you've had a full game. So for the first

(02:07:48):
possession and the opportunity to score a touchdown and win
a game being predicated on a flip of a coin,
it just seems so you flip a coin at the
beginning of a game and then you have it is
choice to receive or defer. Right, that's basically what you're doing.
There are two sides of the two. Why should have

(02:08:08):
determined a third? Well, well, but my point is it's
just a continuation of the game as opposed to thinking
of overtime as a completely separate event. But maybe that
would change your decision on your choice overtime, right, But
that's my point. That's where you sacrifice. It puts more
on the decision to defer or not in the beginning
of the game if there is an overtime. My point

(02:08:28):
is there were times a new flip, I have no problem,
but the rules are different in the new game because
one score of a touchdown wins the game. By the
way vikings on first intent trying to set up a
screen pass. This scenes defense has really really gotten to
go in the fourth quarter into overtime here second intent
and it is allowed in the dome there, so again

(02:08:52):
we're watching Kirk Cousins. Now, look, if Kirk Cousins guides
team to a game winning touchdown on the opening dry
of of over time, maybe maybe he has turned the corner.
But just there they were trying to set up and
they got a first down there at the forty four
yard line. He was trying to set up a screen
and he just gave it one of those little I'm

(02:09:14):
not confident about this throw. Dalvin Cook has just broken
it up the middle, first first down. So the Vikings
are look at you got Dalvin Cook. Was I not
yelling about Dalvin Cook a little bit earlier? You mentioned
him earlier in the back, And I don't understand why
am I putting this game in the hands of of
Kirk Cousins. Much rather much rather good decision by the

(02:09:36):
Vikings to to put in the hands of Dalvin Cook
earned you the first down. So their first intent out
by midfield. You know something interesting forty five yard line
in the Saints going in. It is interesting to talk
about the decision making in this game because Mike Harmon,
who you just heard on our ear here at Fox Sports. Rade,
he's going for it all right now, Kirk Cousins deep
find stealing right at the goal line, and that is

(02:09:58):
a catch fake. As I said, Kirk Cousins greatest clutch
quarterback in the history of the NFL. They have thrown
a ball down to the one yard line of the
Saints Adam thalan On a perfectly thrown ball like Kirk Causin.
You could not throw the ball any better. No, and well,
how about Adam feeling the concentration covered, was able to

(02:10:22):
make a basket catch looking like Willie May's out there
in center field. Unbelievable jobs. Now is this where you're
gonna go with your much padded Kirk Cousins sneak here?
Are you gonna give the ball to Dalvin? You could
go sneak in. I don't again, I think he can
hand it to Here's here's my my question. I was
about to raise and you mentioned Mike Harmon's name, and
the fireworks go off, as you just heard. But Mike

(02:10:44):
Harmon brought up a good point. He's still lingering around
here in the person never lad that Fox, he never
leaves us. And he brought to my attention that Sean
Paynton had an opportunity after uh Kirk Cousins was sacked
on the final Vikings play of regulation to take a
time out stop the clock before the punt. And so
if you think about in the ensuing drive, but potentially

(02:11:06):
that thirty second runoff as they were waiting to punt
the ball away could have saved you. It could have
earned you another opportunity for Drew Brees with the football
in his hands, or two or three. Should you have
been able to get out of the bounce a couple
more times on that drive, that could have been the
difference between a win and regulation and tying the football
game on forty nine yard by Willotts. All right, here

(02:11:27):
we go. So it's a first and goal at the
two yard line. Again, a touchdown wins the game. A
field goal in the Saints we get the ball back.
Cook is stuffed at the one by the way. When
people were talking about the Vikings down the stretch, when
they had no Dalvin Cook and no Adam Fling, let
me see here today Cook has nineties seven yards rushing

(02:11:48):
and two touchdowns and Adam theland has seven catches for
a hundred twenty nine yards. So when the Vikings were
stumbling down the stretch and like, oh the Vikings they
had no Cook and no feeling. You think their difference makers, Yeah,
you could responsible for the majority of you. So they
got a second and goal at the one yard line.
Vikings trying to close out this game. They give the

(02:12:09):
ball to Cook and he is wow, loss of yardage?
What were they doing? Play? So they toss it and
they're running it to the left side offensive formation. You
got a full back lead and it was they were
trying to pull the offensive tackle. What are you doing?
Just a great job by this Saint's defense getting penetration,

(02:12:30):
not getting strung out. You are at second and one,
why are you pitching wide? I mean it sets up
third and goal from the fourth They lost two yards?
Oh they lost three yards on that play. It is
third and goal at the four yard line. So this
is it. And if the Vikings don't score touchdown, they

(02:12:52):
throw the end zone and it is caught by Kyle Rudolph.
Is a Vikings win in neuor ends over the Saints.
The Saints season in three consecutive year stops in disappointment.
There's gonna be questions to ask after this one. What
a performance Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins throws the touchdown to

(02:13:16):
win the game for the Vikings. So right now something
is going on on the field. They're saying that they
want this reviewed. Remember it was the Rams they're talking about.
They're talking about the push off. There was the Ram
did push off? He was the Ram Saints game that
changed the world on pass interference is incredible. And so

(02:13:38):
the Saints right now are saying, look, you told us
NFL it goes to New York in the final two
minutes of regulation and in overtime, definitely uncalled past interference.
You must review and if it's egregious, it will be overturned.
Did Rudolph push off or not? He clearly extended his
arm to get space, caught the ball, touchdown, and this

(02:14:03):
would be the this is perfect, is it not? Seriously,
they changed the rule because of the Saints loss of
the Rams. They are going to not review the play. Wow,
oh my, oh, my friend, what happened here? They did

(02:14:26):
they review the play? They they're not, guys, what is
going on? We can't hear? No, they didn't. I mean
they'd interview. They're already in post game. Fox is taken
at the postgame interview with Kyle Rudolph. The game is over?
How is there not? We we saw Sean Payton on
the sidelines motioning he obviously had a time out, So
why did they not review this play? So you have

(02:14:47):
Kyle Rudolph on the fade route? Is that? Is that
the decision in the booth by the NFL and not
on the team and over time as far as whether
to review a past interference calmn again in overtime and
within the final two minutes of regulation. I I if
I'm remembering the rule correctly, it goes to New York

(02:15:09):
and they review, and if it's egregious past interference, it's
overturned on the field. Doesn't have to be defensive pass
in forence interference did not review that play? I don't know,
but they didn't. And so the Saints are going to
have a major ACSTA grind in two exits in the postseason.
Last year in the NFC Championship game against the Rams.

(02:15:32):
This year against the Vikings on an offensive past interference
call unbelievable finished Kirk Cousins place hero in a Vikings
victory in New Orleans. I hope, I hope Gavin that
there's some way we can hook up with somebody post
game on this game. I know we're trying for sure,
because I I need clarification on So did they say

(02:15:55):
anything on the was there any review or they obviously
they showed the re play repeatedly about what seemed to
be at least a reviewable call about a potential offensive
past interference. And this game is over, so the Vikings
win it to twenty I I what are we? What

(02:16:20):
is going on here? I mean, look, Twitter is going
absolutely nuts? Uh you you are? You are seeing everybody
in sports media pretty much confirmed that Rudolph pushed off.
Now he clearly pushed on in his arm extended. And
the question is now who has to answer this question?

(02:16:43):
Who's responsible for not reviewing this potential offensive past interference
if it's considered egregious enough to call in this end
of game scenario after the Saints had a similar complaint
last season in their exit from the NFC Championship. Pay guys,
we got him on to this. We gotta look for
any post game sound, any kind of commentary Sean Payton,

(02:17:05):
anybody talking about the end of this game. We we
need clarification on why there was no review of a
potential offensive pass interference, especially when the rule was put
in specifically for what the Saints saw. It was the
robbery at the end of their season last year. Oh
you got, you got? If you're the Saints fans, can

(02:17:25):
you imagine if it's got, it's got to be going nuts.
I I can't even I mean, how many congressmen are
going to get involved in this? Now? You remember how
last year, I mean, this became a political football, not
to Can I just say the last three years they've
been eliminated by case Keenum, Jared Goff, and Kirk Cousins.

(02:17:46):
That's true, but I mean the fact is they can
say we were eliminated by some shady business. Okay, what
a game? Though, Listen, it was a game. And honestly,
I'm seeing if there wasn't enough evidence to review, there
wasn't enough evidence if you're a Saint, That's what I'm
seeing on stomach. But what whoa ho whoa whoa whoa.

(02:18:06):
So I'm trying to clarify this. So the Saints were
not in a position to challenge this. This was totally
the league in the booth that makes the final call
on whether or not that was a reviewable play. I
thought you could challenge a play. I know they had
a time out because obviously, all right, well let's find out.
We gotta we gotta get much more on this. We're
in the guy, go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's bring

(02:18:29):
on David Gascon. And you're you're making this sound like
it was the Rams Saints came from last year. That
was a blatant p I. You don't think that that
was a blatant offensive past interference. Guys are hand checking
both sides, list the account's baby, third and goal from
the floor. Kirk takes the snap, looks right fate left
end zone and it is called to San Francisco and

(02:18:59):
ror wa New Orleans Saints. But Minnesota Vikings have beaten
the New Orleans Saints twenty six, twenty and over time,
and this game indeed was a San Francisco train. Steve,
you've gotta be happy about this result. This is like,
this is like nineteen o eight Chicago Cubs. Well, everybody

(02:19:22):
loves misery. Would be happier if I had gone with
my first instinct and taking the Vikings plus seven with
you today? Do you have at least Philadelphia hold on, Philip,
if you tell me you watched that play and you
didn't think that was revealable. Oh no, no, you're just
you're not being honest here. Why you look at social
media right now? I don't care about social media. They're

(02:19:43):
they're showing this on a continued push off, push off,
push off. Listen. We've had so many reviews of passing
afference this season, and how many have been overturned? A
small fraction I have to say, is that passing touchdown
changes a whole lot for Kirk car Yes, I mean
he has pretty much rewritten this legacy that he can't

(02:20:05):
win the big game. I mean, does it get any
bigger than wild Car round on the road at the
Saints overtime victory on your arm? The best part, like
you said, it's the best part, is he actually set
up that touchdown because his long bomb Adam feeling down
of the two. Yeah, exactly right. I mean, this was
his drive, this was his moment, and this is his
victory against a Hall of famer and wait, Drew Brees.

(02:20:29):
That's impressive. A third year in a row, Saints fans crying, Steve,
you should be really happy about this. Your m v
P just won the game for you, Steve. Look when
the Vikings and the Chiefs playing the super Bowl, as
I predicted before the season began. Now you take your
do you want you want to look at the list
up there, look at look at Hartman Chiefs, Vikings super

(02:20:52):
Bowl and by the way, last and by the way,
it says m v P Kirk cousins. What if he's
super Bowl MVP. I'll take credit for that that. You know,
how would you take credit for any of that? I
don't you know. I'm trying. If if it's Minnesota versus
Kansas City and the super Bowl, I will shave Rich's head.

(02:21:13):
That seems fair. Marked the tape on that. It seems
very fair. Thank you, his cousins. This game was nineteen
thirty one for two forty two and the one touchdown passed.
But as a team, Minnesota held true to the ground
game forty rushes for a hundred thirty six yards. The
two scores came from Dalvin Cook, tast the mill and
of losing cause had four carries for fifty yards. He

(02:21:35):
was actually the team's leading Russia from this ball game.
He all said, one completion for fifty yards. I mean
he did it all unfortunate for them. They getting one
and done yet again. Now, in about ten fifteen minutes
from now, they'll be kicking off in Philadelphia Eagles and
the Seattle Seahawks. A couple of notable guys in and
also out. Zach Ertz will play Lane. Johnson the right
tackles out the Seahawks wide receiver Jron Brown is also

(02:21:58):
out of this ball game too. A Gabaloa might be
announcing his eligibility at least for the NFL Draft. We're
going another season. He's gonna press conference tomorrow with his
head coach, Nick Saban down Tuscaloosa. Gentleman the hero right
now with Chris Myers Kirk Cousins on a hot mic
there he is Cousins as won a playoff game, and

(02:22:19):
not just any playoff game in New Orleans against the Saints.
So the Vikings move on to the division around where
they will travel to San Francisco to take on the
number one seed the forty Niners. David, thank you very much.
We're coming alive from the Geico Fox Sports Radio studio.
Is easier to say more on your Carrent showing Geico
go to Guy Good dot comer call seven otto the

(02:22:41):
only hard heart figuring out which way is easier? Uh,
checking out social media right now, blatant push off. But
it's it's interesting also where you know what's really happening here.
There are so many people still celebrating the Patriots losing yesterday.
It's sort of like, ah, yeah, maybe the Saints got

(02:23:03):
certain scoop, but did you hear the Patriots lost? Means
it's just amazing. Well, look, there are a lot of
people and by the way, a lot of people and
friends of ours. I mean, I mean, i i'll i'll
go on speak for yourself with Whitlock and Wiley and
consistently Jason went, I mean, he will try his hardest

(02:23:28):
to paint you into a corner where where you know,
especially having played with Brady for Belichick, paint you in
a corner where you're answering a question about the the time.
You know, that's that's slowly ticking in the background of
this dynasty, the sands running out of the out of
the clock. I mean, people are waiting to dance on

(02:23:52):
their graves, so nobody, nobody wants to see them win,
or I shouldn't say nobody, but very few outside of
England want to see the Patriots advance. Let's get that
final play, the touchdown by the Vikings call from the
Saints announcers perspective, that's a full extension with the right
arm by Kyle Rudolph. And of course this would come

(02:24:13):
down to a review. The officials are jogging off the field.
It appears officials are jogging off the field. I mean,
there's nothing song I can do as far as the
time out. It's concerned, and the officials jog off the field.
In the Superdome, P J. Williams takes the hand right
to the middle of the numbers in the back of
the end zone from the game winning catch and stuff
falling out of the rafters towards the officials. So apparently

(02:24:38):
last two minutes, when you're two minutes, it's a booth.
It's up to them to review. It wasn't under two
minutes to go in overtime or overtime or overtime time.
So overtime is booth review and the booth said no review. Yeah, listen,
the first twenty eight minutes of each half, you can

(02:24:58):
you know, challenge just like would you know any other play, Uh,
that is challengeaball outside of that, as Gavin just laid out,
it would be two minutes of each half is booth
review or in overtime. And so Kyle Rudolph did he
push off or not? I mean, there wasn't even a question.
The referees scrammed and the Vikings have won. All right.

(02:25:20):
My prediction is they're going to change more rules because
of the Saints. All right. So every year, because of
the Saints, we change rules. So you have two potential
rules changes here. One is that in overtime you'd be
a coach can potentially challenge a past interference. There's also
the idea that when we get into a playoff game,

(02:25:44):
both teams should have a possession. Now, this was a
question a couple of years ago with the Patriots winning
uh in the champions Championship, because this was this was
last year, because the MS went overtime with the Saints
and the Chiefs went to overtime with the Patriots. Patriots

(02:26:05):
obviously scored in one, and why didn't the Chiefs get
a chance to answer? So do you believe? Again? So
the Vikings go down, they scored touchdown under the overtime rules.
Game over, But do you believe in a playoff game
that goes to overtime, the both teams should at least

(02:26:25):
have one possession. Do you believe that in a playoff
game over time that both teams should have at least
one possession? I think that's a fair way to do it. Look,
I will say this though, I've always been a fan
of the fact that sports aren't aren't fair. I know

(02:26:45):
that Saints fans, especially in recent years with the non
called p I last year and then potentially this will
obviously become an offseason talking point for Sean Payton and
the Saints and the coaches meetings with the administ raiders
of the NFL and the competition Committee. But um, I
like this. You know, some people say, you know, we

(02:27:06):
need to be able to Belichick is one of those
people who say we should be able to replay every
single play, every single in fraction. You know what's so
entertaining about a bad call is it really only affects
one fan base of the entirety of the NFL, and
the rest of us are wildly entertained with the fallout
of the bad call. Now, don't get me wrong, too

(02:27:29):
many of those it hacks away at the integrity of
a league. But if there is a subjectively poor call,
that is actually good for the NFL. That's good for
Major League Baseball, that's good for the NBA because it's
a talking point. It gets people stirred up and frothing
and watching the next game. To me, to me, this

(02:27:51):
isn't a bad thing. So even even the point you're
making about should both sides have the ball in overtime,
you can make an argument for it. But at the
same time, I don't mind sports not being fair. I
actually think it's better for them to entertainment value of
the sport. This is from Tony Dungee's Twitter. They did
review the play because it was a scoring it was

(02:28:13):
a touchdown every game they determined there was not enough
of a push to call offensive p I. So there's
your answer, Steve, Yeah, I agree to a certain extent.
May there was some hand fighting both sides. P J.
Williams and Kyle Rudolph Inern did the same thing his
whole career. Okay, the difference you not not not with

(02:28:37):
the hand. I'll tell you the difference. And this was
actually taught to Gronk when when I was on the
field with him. They talked about at practice all the time.
It's the reason why he started wearing that big elbow brace.
He would push off with his forearm and his elbow,
and a lot of wide receiver coaches, a lot of
tight ends coaches, we'll teach you that if you don't
extend the hand, then they're not gonna call O p I.

(02:28:58):
If you extend the elbow, if you give him the forearm, shiver.
If you just create a little space and only two
feet with your you know, with your elbow. All right,
I'm showing you a still shot here, fully extended arm.
That's not offensive past interference. He's not creating space by
pushing off for the touchdown. I'm you're you're looking at
the picture right there. Yeah, I mean, could you have

(02:29:21):
called defensive past interference earlier in the down? I think
I could have. Well, First of all, are his hands
all over the case. So if I was frey advantage
in this league goes to the offense, would you agree?
I would not disagree with that every advantage and I
would I I would. I would say, especially in the
passing game, if we're talking about covering a receiver, I'll
agree with you. There Again, I don't care one way

(02:29:44):
or the other. And I again, I have the Viking's Yes,
he definitely pushed off. But the question, well, alright, let's
see this is Mike Perrara. Now this is a man
I trust, all right, this is a man that knows
the rules like no other. Let's hear Mike Pereira's comments
on that touchdown catch. This is one now that New

(02:30:05):
York will look at. They have to make a decision.
They have to make a decision on whether or not
a there is past interference and isn't pick enough in
the replay situation they have with past interference. Now to
uh the call, clearly he does get separation and he
does extend the arm. Okay, but they didn't review it.

(02:30:29):
In other words, it never did go to New York. No, No,
every very scoring play is. But that was just that
he's it's a touchdown and that what they want. So, no,
they don't review for an interference call. What he was
saying is in New York they never actually they didn't
see enough evidence to review whether or not there was

(02:30:51):
any pass interference on that call. Mike Pereira clearly stayed
there was no question when you look at the replay.
He extended his arm and he make created space to
get free and catch the pass. Well, let me ask
you this question. So when you play this back in
real time, because because yes, you're right, you know, you
put your hand on somebody's chest and you push, it'll

(02:31:13):
back off the defender. But if you put your hand
on someone's chest and then you run away from your hand,
are you pushing off or you just creating well distance
in hand? This is the gray area. Is passing interference?
But please explain either defensively defensively what is passing? So
this is my point, this should not be a reviewable foul.

(02:31:35):
That's the whole deal. As it turned out. We're getting
to a point and we're right up against it and
this game against you know, Eagle Seahawks is kicking off,
so we'll come back. This is why they're the Fox
Sports Radio studios. One wild card game is over. Another
begins coming up next, third and all on the four
yard line. Cousins in the gun, free by one to

(02:31:56):
his right, sat Shry pressure. They'll bring pressure Laba to
the back of the end zone. Touchdown. Tyle Rudolph and
the Minnesota Vikings come to New Orleans and beat the Saints.
And for the fourth straight time a three seat falls
in the playoffs. Yeah, w w L Saints Radio Network.
So just checking out social media, it's uh like on

(02:32:18):
Twitter hashtag Saints. I have to say this, the majority
of the Saints fans, although they make question whether or
not that should have been reviewed as far as offensive
past interference, they're not blaming that play at all. I mean,
Saints fans are almost in unison saying we were outplayed,
we were out coached, and this Saints team thought they

(02:32:41):
had a walk over a game at home against the Vikings.
And I kept reminding everybody about this week with the Vikings.
Remember the Vikings stumbled down the stretch, they didn't have
Dalvin Cook, they didn't have Adam Feeling. They were back, big,
much different Vikings team when they have Dalvin Cook and
Adam Feeling, and they showed it. So it's gonna be

(02:33:03):
early interesting, Rich as we get ready for next week's
divisional battle, going against a forty niner team whose quarterback
has never played in a playoff game. Is that going
to be a factor with Jimmy Garoppolo. All right, before
we get to that one, To thank you, obviously, I
was Sam today doing a great job as always. David
Gascon is a legend, and then of course you know legend. Yeah,

(02:33:28):
and then Gavin who is always scrambling always you know,
working it, give us the information and doing a great
job as always. I will say this, I don't think
enough credit has beholded to Kirk Cousins. Uh. That was
a gritty victory for Vikings team, holding this very proficient
scenes offense obviously to twenty points. And this was a

(02:33:49):
middling Vikings defense, I mean yards per game if you
look at total defense all that stuff. They weren't blowing
anyone's doors off. And the winds Day had throughout this year. Again,
go back and look at their regular season. They have
n't beat a ton of great teams, but they did today.
A lot of credit to this or this Vikings defense

(02:34:10):
and Kirk Cousins for finishing the game in overtime. Do
you got Mike Zimmer at the podium. Now, here's Mike
Zimmer talking about his quarterback. But he's taking so much
criticism for the way he's played in big games. What
do you think this game mean? Yeah? Well, um, you
know he's you know, they said they can't win a
playoff game. He can't do this. He's only been in
two so he's you know, that's better than a lot

(02:34:30):
of people. So. Um, but I thought he was played
really well today. You know, he took good care of
the ball, he made good decisions. You know, they had
some heat on us and so he had to make
some great, great decisions. Um, you know it's good. Um,
he's gonna go and prove it again next week, just
like we all. Yeah, I mean again. He didn't throw
any interceptions. He played a pretty clean game. The key

(02:34:52):
play was that big bomb to theland Is set up
the game winning touchdown, and it was a perfect pass,
great catch over the shoulder Adam Thaland but the ball
was right there and Cousins made that throw. So you know,
you get the monkey off your bath. Uh. Here is
Kirk Cousins post game. I got three words for you.

(02:35:12):
You like that? There you go right there? Yeah, so
I think that part two. Look here here's the deal
with Kirk Cousins. I think this game does a lot. Uh,
regardless of what you thought about the final throw to
Kyle Rudolph, push off or no push off, they win,

(02:35:35):
and it's because he delivers an absolute strike down the
field to Adam Feeling, who made a tremendous catch at
the goal line, and then after two unsuccessful run plays
actually getting backed up on the second attempt, it was
third and goal at the four yard line. He throws
a beautiful past to Kyle Rudolph for the win. Yeah.

(02:35:56):
I like that. I like Kirk Cousins right now because
he's playing like a guy with a chip on his shoulder,
not making mistakes and winning an overtime like their chances
moving forward by three straight years devastating losses for the Saints,
I mean, just unreal Minneapolis miracle. Dick goes along the
ram keenum, the Rams non call p I that they

(02:36:19):
say forced overtime, and then the eventual loss and then
the push off question mark Kyle Rudolph endzone O. T
Remind me, isn't that back to back years their season
ends in overtime at home? That is correct? That is correct?
Sean Payton, Uh, he's getting on the nerve of some
of the Saints fans out there despite his amazing success

(02:36:41):
over the years. Are you sure as you're just going
you want to take a look at social media actually
make Saints. I haven't seen a single I don't know
what hashtag Saints and take a look over there. Meanwhile,
we got the Seahawks and the Eagles were at ten
forty one to go in the first quarter, and the
Seahawks are on the move right now, they're at the
eighteen yard line of the Eagles. Uh. The Seahawks came

(02:37:05):
into this game as a point and half favorite. Should
they be favored over this Eagle team on the road?
Should the Seahawks be favorite over the Eagles on the road? Yeah?
What happened to home field advantage? Injured? I mean, look,
I I understand why the line is what it is.
I still give the Eagles a big chance because Peterson

(02:37:27):
has been great, not good. He's been great over injury
riddled season after injury ridd old season for the Eagles,
and that's been three in a row. Yeah, home field
hasn't meant amounted too much, yet two out of three
home teams have lost. Keep it right here more NFL
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