Fox Sports Saturday with Hartman and Brenkus: 02/08/2020

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I will say this with all due respect to almost
everyone else that I've worked with over the years here
at Fox Sports Radio, it is rare that I've had
an opportunity to sit down with my co host for
almost an hour before we actually get on the air.
But John Breaks is here today. John, first of all,
thanks for coming by. I'm very excited about today's show
because we're always looking for a unique perspective on sports,

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and you certainly have had that over the years. I
can't thank you enough for having me. It's a big
thrill to work with. You've been a massive fan of
your work over the years, and you know, sports Science
really afforded me the opportunity to work with thousands of
the world's greatest athletes. So I have a unique perspective
is on really being courtside to greatness, and you know,
it's really been able to I've been able to apply

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that to all different aspects of sports. I think, John,
one thing that you and I share is the fact
that although we love playing sports and we'd like to
participate in sports, neither one of us was gifted with
the supreme talents necessary to be a world class athlete.
Hold on a second, I did hold the record for
the Vienna Elementary Fighting Beavers for the six hundred yard

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dash of the Presidential Physical Fitness Test. So don't sell
me short yet. Hold on a six hundred yard dash,
that in itself is an amazing thing. So anyway, John,
you work with so many athletes. You know so many
of these athletes. I want to get started today now Today,
of course, is the launch of the XFL, which is
the last time we're gonna mention the XFL until they
actually proved any worthiness of being mentioned on this show. Um,

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But we just came off a Super Bowl, and it's
amazing when a Super Bowl ends, how much focus once
again is on the quarterback, both the winning quarterback and
the losing quarterback. Now, I know that you have done
a study about indispensable athletes, the kind of team sport
athletes that you take them off the team. You think

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of a Lebron James being the most odd example, the
Cavaliers with him without him, with him without him, pretty
obvious about his effect on that Cavalier's team. I want
to talk about Patrick Mahomes. I mean, it's still very early,
he's only had two full seasons in the NFL. But
is he already in that class of indispensable athletes where

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you take them off that team and they're just not
the same. Now here's the answer. And I've done a
ridiculously exhaustive study on what it means to be irreplaceable,
that your team would not win the championship if you
didn't exist. Give you an example, like everyone says Joe
Montana is such a great quarterback, is amazing. By definition,
he was replaceable. He was replaced by Steve Young, another

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Hall of Famer, and they won Super Bowls. So, by definition,
is replaceable Patrick Mahomes. And having had so many of
the top quarterbacks in the lab in the Sports Science Lab,
when I had Patrick Mahomes in the lab, I literally
reported and said he could be one of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time. And I've said that about No. One,

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the reason being his release time point three five seconds
faster than the NFL average, the ball speed over sixty
miles per hour way faster than the NFL average, his
accuracy from ten yards fifty yards twenty yards on the
run from the pocket, his ability to stay calm under duress.
His intangibles were off the charts. And I'm like, you

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need as the as a quarterback to be not only
physically gifted, but mentally gifted. He has those two things
in a perfect package. Now. Obviously, going into the draft,
I had no idea he would go to the Chiefs.
When you go to the Chiefs and you have a
quarterback whisper Andy Reid, a guy who says, I believe
in you. He's not the conservative play caller who says, well,

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my quarterback is serviceable. Whether or not it was Alex
Smith or whether or not it's Patrick Mahomes. He's allowing
them to do their thing. The situation that he is
in makes me say, yeah, I think at age twenty four,
he could be a guy that we could say is
an irreplaceable aspect of that team. All right. So one
of the things that has always fascinated me, and let's

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stay with football because football is the consummate team sport.
There's so many moving pieces that have to work in
unison other offensively, defensively, special teams for anything to work.
All right, So you you look at an athletic Mike
Mahomes and you talk about velocity, you talk about release time,
you talk about the physical and tangibles that he has
leaps and bounds over the average quarterback. But then there's

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the mental aspect of the game. And I know that
you've talked a lot about the ability to play well
under pressure, to control the adrenaline, and he seems to
have that as well. In other words, he's having an
off game for him totally. You know, he's he's misfiring
a couple of interceptions in the game and you're just saying, Wow,
it just wasn't his day. And then when the game

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was on the line, when we go back to that
third and fift team play, I mean that's it. I mean,
if they don't get a first down there most likely
to lose the game. And so he's got the pressure
coming on. He throws about I'll have to get Tyreek
kill forty four yard game and the restless history. But
how do you measure that? I mean, is there a
way to measure whether or not just beyond the physical

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tools that they have, the mental tools, the coolness to
perform under pressure. So the best way that I've been
able to measure those intangible skills is really being able
to look at using a device called like the biole
harness that's measuring skin temperature. You know, perspiration rate, heart rate,
but you know, all different kinds of aspects to see
how you behave under duress. I'd love to compare, especially

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the position of um NFL quarterback to our you know,
the men and women in special forces, something like a
Navy seal, where look, is a Navy seal someone who's
so physically gifted they're a much better athlete than anyone
or are they gifted enough enough? And when everything hits
the fan, they stay calm. That's the answer. That's the

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dividing line. That's why I could never be a Navy
Seal or an NFL quarterback because when the pressure is on,
I'm feeling it. Patrick Mahomes, can you imagine being in
that huddle and saying, guys, it's third and fifteen and
if we don't convert the game is over and there's
still a ton of time. They never ever panicked that

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the ability, and remember he's getting almost pulled down during
that past he completes a the Tyreek Hill and they
still haven't scored, but he's like, we're going to score.
You could everybody could just feel what was going to happen.
That intangible aspect of staying calm under pressure under durest
is the dividing line between good and great. And believe

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when people are comparing Mahomes to Garoppolo and what, you know,
what's the difference. Who was calling the place? How was
it was Andy Reid freaking out? Was he saying it's
third and fifteen game over. We we need to just,
you know, play a conservative and try to get the
ball back, or was he saying the only way to
win is to try and to do do our absolute best.

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We can't play conservative, We're gonna keep firing. When you
have that combination of confidence into you know, ability to
stay calm and physical gifts, what you get is a
Super Bowl victory. You know, it's interesting, John, because you
you mentioned the ability to stay calm under pressure, especially
if you are in a huddle, and that changes the

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chemistry for everybody in the huddle. I mean, I mean
he is able to bring a certain calmness to everybody
when there could be panic um And that's amazing how
one individual. And we saw it almost in every one
of these games. I mean, they're down twenty four nothing
of the Texans and he's on the sidelines saying, hey,
we're gonna get right back in this. And when you
prove it time and time again, they buy into it.

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And so you know, and we've seen all those all
great quarterbacks over the years, whether it was the Always
and Marino's guys that could deliver under pressure, latent games,
and poll games out the idea that they can change
the whole mental and physical chemistry of guys in the
huddle just by their mere presence. And that presence when
you point to the greats, are they saying, is Patrick

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Mahomes saying, guys, I'm great and we're gonna win, or
is he saying we are great, we are going to win.
That ability to take your gifts and do projected upon
others and say, look on the quarterback that's getting all
this attention, but I'm nothing without you guys. We are
a unit that's what you see. You don't see successful

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quarterbacks you named you know Marino or Elway or you know,
let's put my homes in the conversation of a great quarterback.
You don't see them throwing their helmet, yelling at guys
telling them how they screwed up. You have them saying
we are great and instilling that confidence. We did a
great study with Travis pastrana Um when he set the
world record for the longest jump um and in Long Beach,

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um in Long Beach for New Year's Eve. We we
wired him up. He had, you know, a whole team
around him. His heart rate never got over He literally
was at eighty five when he got in the car
during the jump, during the landing, never change. That's what
Patrick Mahomes has is when your heart rate is going crazy.
Adrenaline is a very bad thing. And people can smell

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just like animals can smell, whether or not you're scared,
if you like it. Literally is that intangible. This guy's
his pupils look differently. You know, the way he carries
his body is different. Adrenaline can be a very very
bad thing, especially for decision making. So being able to
control that really is the difference. Yeah, just to take

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a quick detour on that at golfers, Yeah, I mean
your face in a downhill, five hill, five foot breaking
put that you need to make. You have to make
this or you lose. And you see the tiger Woods.
Going back to the Jack Nicholas is of the world.
Everyone always said he may not have been the greatest putter,
but they're the greatest clutch putter, hutter. When you have

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to make the put the five six, seven foot or
that everyone else your hand I well, even when you
watch that, you're you're like, how is it possible to
keep your hands steady to make the perfect stroke to
get that ball in the cup. This is a statue
that will make everybody feel pretty good about their own

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golf game. This is crazy. From ten ft ten ft
p g A Tour pros are from ten ft right,
you would think, oh my god, I played golf for
a living. From ten ft, I should be the statistic
is it's now, if it's for Birdie, if it's for Bertie,
PG eight Tour pros convert fewer puts that if it's

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for par Now, think of why is that? Because when
you're putting for Birdie you're the most people. Most people
are saying, just don't screw this up and lose, you know,
miss par When you're when you're putting for par you're like,
I gotta make it or Aliso, I'm gonna bogey. So
the fact that you make fewer shows that natural human

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instinct is to just don't screw this up, as opposed
to seize the day. So the Tigers of the world
and the Jordan's of the world put all you know,
the Lebrons or the Patrick Mahomes put that in. They're
not missing the Birdie putt because they're trying to make it.
They're not thinking, I just can't screw this up. All right,
we're when the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studio. So

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we mentioned in the aftermath of Super Bowl fifty four
a tale of two quarterbacks. I think everyone is universal
now that Patrick Mahomes is not only the supreme quarterback,
he is the face of the NFL. On the other side,
there don't seem to be too many Jimmy Garoppolo fans
right now. How much does he to blame for what
happened to the forty Niners in that fourth quarter. We're

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Back Match. John Brencus is a guy that is, uh wow,
this is this is great stuff. I could go all
day with John and all the science and everything else.
But he also has plenty opinions about just sports in general.
Because you're a sports fan like I am. John, I've

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never understood I've always said this, uh, when we talk
about sports journalist, to me, that's an oxymoron because I
always feel like this, if you really wanted to be
a journalist, there are ways to do that. Even that's
in question these days. But people to get into sports
are sports fans. What we do, and that's that's what
we love. Um. All right, so I want to get
a little bit into Jimmy Garoppolo. We're talking about Patrick

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Mahomes and obviously the Skies the future as far as
his career is concerned. Jimmy Garoppolo. I was talking to
a bunte Hill. He works at the Fan up in
San Francisco, does their pre and postgame show, and the
day after the Super Bowl, Bonte came on and he
was expressing an opinion share by a lot of forty
Niner fans saying, will win a Super Bowl as soon

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as we get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo. Uh, And they
looked at We talked about coolness under pressure and how
Mahomes was struggling, but when the fourth quarter came around,
he's making the passes on the flip side. Jimmy Garoppolo.
I think one poem was like eighteen of twenty one.
He wasn't throwing the ball down the field, but he
was completing passes. Then he got to the fourth quarter

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and he couldn't find his mark, I mean, short, longer,
anything else. In other words, he wasn't able to deliver
in the clutch. So let's talk about that, Jimmy Garoppolo.
Some people are suggesting it's time to get rid of Garoppolo,
bringing a quality quarterback with all the other pieces of
forty Niners have and they will become a Super Bowl champion.

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I find it unbelievable how people take the results of
a game like the Super Bowl and say the guy's
a bum, he's terrible, he's we gotta get rid of them. Hey,
let's think of that. This is a guy that, in
his first six games set the record for the best
you know, quarterback rating on a new franchise, playing six

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consecutive games. This guy who came out that did the
forty Niners have a good season? As I recalled, They'll
see they went from four and twelve to three with
the guy at quarterback named Jimmy Garoppolo. They did. They did, Okay,
And when people say, ah, it's not because of him,
it's because our team was so great. Okay, then let's
not look at Garoppolo and let's look at the team

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on that dropped pass by George Kittle. When Kittle dropped
that pass, that was your ball game because if he
catches that pass, they score and the momentum shifts. But
what did what did Kyle Shanahan dial up as the
next play? Did he go deep again? Did he say
we're gonna keep it We're gonna you know, keep uh,

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you know, putting our foot on their throat and step.
We're up by ten and we're now they just ran right.
We're gonna run right, run left. Look, the Kansas City
Defense made an amazing adjustment. They said, we're just going
to blitz Garoppolo and force him to beat us. We're
just gonna keep the pressure on, force him to where
Did anybody see a quick slant completed to Kittle? Did

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anybody see the outlet passes? Did anybody see anything that's
designed to counter the fact that that Casey was going
all in on trying to take away the run game.
I didn't say anything. I think that if you're to
sit back and try to blame a person who's calling
the place, there's Oh, it happens to be a guy
I who also is most famous or infamous for the

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biggest Super Bowl blowout choke ever. It's the same guy
that's the common denominator. I can't believe that Venom and
the Garoppolo can't hang. Tom Brady lost two super Bowls? Right?
Was that was anybody's saying, well, we got to get
rid of Brady. He's the problem. Garoppolo is not the problem. Yeah,
you mentioned Kyle Shanahan. Think about this and the two

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games as offensive coordinator with the Falcons and head coach
of the forty Niners calling the plays for both those games.
Make that clear. They were outscored the two teams in
fourth quarter and overtime forty six. Nothing. Now, forget the
forty six. Let's talk about zero zero points fourth quarter
and overtime against the Patriots. Fourth quarter in the game

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against the Chiefs. Zero. Now, I've heard many coaches over
the years, John, and it's interesting that you know, I
always know a coach is doing for failure when their
attitude is, look, I don't play the game. Whereas we
made the right calls, the players did not execute what
it is that we gave them. That's when I know

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of coaches in trouble. Okay, that's when you're putting the
blame on the players. Now, Kyle Shanahan hasn't done that,
but you do have to wonder that there is seemingly
a pattern. And when we talk about an athlete trying
to control their adrenaline to perform at the highest level
when it's on the line, the same thing is true
with coaches. The idea of you've done so many positive things,

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you have the game and control, and then you go
into prevent. Yeah, just we just don't want to lose, right,
And when you play with that, just don't lose. Let's
run out the clock if we possibly can. Almost every
time you lose, of course, I mean that's the game
of life, right. I mean, if you're not taking a
risk and still playing as though you need to score,

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you're gonna lose. To me, the most telling shot was
after the kittle um pass interference. After that play when
you went to Kyle Shanahan and literally his face looked like, well,
now what I mean, he's rubbing his face, He's taking
off his hat. He's like uh uh in that play call,

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I just want to compare it to Andy Reid on
the third and fifteen when they when they they had
you know, their own debacle on that play and it
was much more dire. Did anybody see Andy Reid taking
off his hat and rubbing his face and going, now
what he was? He said, we gotta keep just we
gotta keep the pedal to the metal and throttle, and

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shannahans like, I don't know, I just don't know what
to call and that that idea of leadership. People can
smell fear, and when the head coaches emanating a really
pungent sense sense of fear, everybody could spell it. And
that was the problem. And I love to talk about adrenaline.
So here's why adrenaline is bad for decision making. Think

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about you know, Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink. It talks about,
you know, how you can make snap decisions, and when
adrenaline is coursing through your body, you make potentially really
bad decisions because you're not thinking clearly. You have less
time to think about it, because if you're freaking out,
you do the dumbest things. So if you allow your

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emotions to take control of you, the decision making process
becomes a snap decision process that defaults to self preservation
that is scientifically verified. When if you're in the Special
Forces and you're in the middle of everything just going crazy,
you're not saying, oh, I'm just gonna shoot the first
guy that I see. You're like, what do I need

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to do to get this situation under control? That idea
of staying calm, scientifically from a decision making process is
what Kyle Shanahan did not do. All right, So if
I'm John Lynch right now, and I got a lot
of belief in my coach, but he has shown me
the inability to keep it together during crunch time. All right,

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So know that there are sports psychologists to work with
athletes all the time to work on their mental games.
Some people have the natural aptitude to stay calm under pressure.
Most don't. They're just human. So you work with a
sports psychologist. How do I keep my nerves down? You know?
Some people talk about routine. Brooks Kepka, You know, he

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has the same routine like with every pot, and it
doesn't matter where it is, what the circumstances is. But
he was taught if you would do the same thing,
whether it's you know, the first putt of around at
the last, but do the same routine, it will keep
you sort of in a routine. But is that something
that could be taught to a coach. Do you believe
as far as keeping the mind clear and making the

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right decisions under pressure, it's certainly is easier for a
coach to learn it than a quarterback. I mean certainly
because he's not physically performing and he has a formula
for for winning. I mean, look, at the season that
they ended up having. Love to tell the story about
Ustin Johnson became a very good friend. We had him
on sports science a long time, and when he missed
the three ft or for the U S Open is

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literally this is why, I said. And then the next
year he comes back and he wins it, and everyone's like,
oh my god, what an amazing comeback. I asked Dustin.
I said, so, what were you thinking when you missed
that putt? I mean, you had to be so nervous
and so mad and so disappointed. His response was, you
guys haven't watched me in every tournament. I missed three

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foot puts all the time, and it was just a
missed putt. There was, he said. I wasn't extra nervous.
I just missed it. So the fact that I came
back and won it the next year, I just made it,
and that being able to say, well, things didn't go
my way. It's not an indictment on my character. It's
just the fact that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

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Sometimes it works out. Sometimes you don't. To be able
to be zen like that in calm and in the
zone is what makes a champion. You don't become a
champion by accident. All right, where in the guy go
Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's find out what's trending right now.
Staying calm under pressure, Isaac long Crown has been faced

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with that his entire career is Steve Barbon c Barmen
st Barman Or what do you think of John? John,
Welcome to Fox Sports Radio. It is great to have
you aboard, and you've had a distinguished, accomplished career. But
coming up in mere moments, I'm going to present you
with what could be your biggest challenge yet. Stay tuned

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for that. We we begin in the NBA, where Adrian
war Danowski and Tim McMahon report that the Charlotte Hornets
finalizing a buyout with forward Michael Kidd Gilchrist and that
the Dallas Mavericks have emerged as a possible destination once
Kid Gilchrist clears waivers. Late last night, referee Josh Tivin
admitted that he and his crew missed a goaltending call

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and a shot by Portland's Damian Lillard that would have
tied their game at Utah in the final seconds, instead
the Jazz one by three. And in college basketball today,
Bobby Night is expected to be in attendance at Assembly
Hall in Bloomington for the first time since being fired
by Indiana twenty years ago, as the Hoosiers host Perdu

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tip Off. Coming up at the top of the hour.
No word yet on whether night we'll throw out today's
honorary first chair. Stay tuned for that, and also coming
up at the top of the hour, it's the debut
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our nation's capital. Back to Steve Hartman and John Brinkus
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in every date. Now, John, are you familiar with a
device called a verbal matraumeter um. What do you mean
by verbal ma traumeter Okay, well, here's here's the reason
I'm asking. So a few years ago we got hold
of a verbal matraumeter and hooked it up to Hartman

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to try and measure just how much he talks, and
after forty three minutes it explode. I mean it literally exploded.
So I know there's a few years ago. So my
question to you is is there any way at this point,
scientifically or technologically to somehow measure just how much Steve

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Hartman talks? Or we just a few years away from that?
Will it be you know, men mankind on Mars and
then we're able to measure it to what? What do
you think now? We we definitely we have the tools,
we have the technology, we have the talent, we could
actually measure that. Excellent question is do we have the
patients exactly? That's the thing. He's gonna wear him down.

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There's on many, so many hours in the day. There's
so much to be talked about, Isaac. As you know,
so people people say, are you silent? As we know,
I talk all the way through a show. It doesn't
matter after after showing everything else. So but you know what,
Johnson heck of a talker as well, so we know that. Uh, Isaac,
thanks so much. We'll check in with you a little
bit later. On once again, We're comedy Alive from the

(25:28):
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way is easier. Alright, continuing the conversation on a different
subject matter, and that was the horrific helicopter crash to
claim nine lives, including Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna.

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And I wanted to mention this because now they have
some preliminary reports that dispel the idea that there was
any engine fell, that this was pilot air or something
horrifically went wrong where that helicopter at a eighty miles
an hour slammed right into the mountain. Now you live
in the Calabasas area, so you're very familiar with that area.

(26:13):
I am as well, obviously, But the uh when you
heard this report? What came to mind here? John? I mean,
like a lot of people, the text thread that I
was on with my friends, I didn't believe it. I mean,
they're like TMZS reporting. I'm like, yeah, I know that
they're a very reputable source, especially when it comes to
celebrity deaths. But I didn't. I went to ESPN, they

(26:34):
weren't reporting it. I went to Fox, they were not
reporting it. Went to the Washington Post, went to the
l A. Times. Nobody else was reporting it. So I'm like,
maybe this is the one time they're wrong. That's the
first thing. And even today, right now, there's just a
part of me that's like someone's going to send out
a tweet and say, ah, it's not real, Like it
doesn't seem real, and people want to say, what is

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this comparable too? That nothing there? I mean, how many
athletes are at the profile of a Kobe Bryant who
disappear in the blink of an eye like this just
hasn't happened like this, you know, no disrespect to other
athletes who have um, you know, paris tragically and quickly,
but Kobe was on a different level of you know,

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you just universally known, everybody had an opinion, everybody knew
who he was, and he had a massive impact. So honestly,
the denial is still kind of there. Oh, I agree
with you. There's a certain sports immortality and you just
don't I remember that night, uh, after leaving here in
the state of shock, going to do TV wou did

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seven I did seven straight hours on k t L
A one story, right, okay, And I kept telling stories
of my you know, many encounters with Kobe over the years,
and every time I would repeat the story, I know
my partner would look at me. He kept saying he does.
All he would say to me is Kobe ran Like like,

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it still doesn't register. Um, you work with Kobe, yep,
so give it. Give us a little example with some
of your science and everything else, trying to break down
an athlete like Kobe Bryant. It was unbelievable. I I
have had the great fortune of working with Kobe when
he entered the league. I was I was producing a
movie at the time, and he did a cameo and

(28:22):
was you know, here he is, this puppy and he
was incredible to work with them throughout the years of
just catching up with him and doing tons of you know,
breaking down tons of his games and amazing feats that
he did. Um, he was a fan. He was definitely
a fan of sports science. And I most recently did
a project with him up at the Mamba Academy where
you know, he was launching the Mambie Academy. We were

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there up in Thousand Oaks and waited for him to
land on his helicopter on that exact flight path. Um.
So when when the tragedy sort of reared itself, I
was just like, oh my god. I was literally just
working with him under the same exact conditions that brought
the ultimate Tomyes. And this this is what I will
say about Kobe, and that is amazing the reason why

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he transcended sport. He's, you know, a sport immortal, but
he he was beyond a sports figure. Kobe Bryant was
Kobe Bryant. And what I mean by that is when
you have a somebody who is so high profile, who
went through the trials, tribulations, the triumphs, the tragedies that

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everything throughout his life, he remained Kobe Bryant. He did
not go through some sort of I need a consult
with a brand specialist and figure out what I should say,
what I should do. He was him, and whether or
not you liked it or didn't like it, he gave
you something to really think about and that greatness really
existed beyond the court, that ability to be a human

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being who was genuinely authentic, flawed in all that is
what makes that's what makes a hero so endearing to us. Yeah,
I mean he was curious about everything. He really was.
I mean in many conversations, I always said that the
thing about Kobe Bryant was he talked to you. He
would listened to you, um, and he did that with everybody.

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And so there was a curiosity factor. And he was
very much into the idea. Like he would work on
shots for hours and hours a single shot. So when
you talk about a scientific breakdown of is it if
I can conceive of something, can I actually physically execute it?
And this was something he found as a great challenge.

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Other people would just give up if you've shot it,
if you it's just not gonna work. No, no, no no,
he goes, if I can visualize it, I know I
can figure this out and execute it. Here's an incredible
thing that I actually have never told the Sports science
audience this. So we did a story on who's the
most clutch NBA performer of all time? And and it

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was with the premise that, oh, it's got to be Kobe.
This was probably rely in two thousand eleven or twelve,
and and he was just on a tear and so
we did a very very deep statistical analysis of what
it means to be clutched. So we defined it as
hitting a game tying or game winning shot with five
seconds or less, whether in in regulation or overtime. And

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when you looked at all of the statistics and you
said who has the best conversion rate, it wasn't Kobe.
It was Big Shot Bob, he was way up there,
and Paul Pierce. So those were the those were the
top two, but guests who took more shots than anybody,
and it wasn't even close. It wasn't even close. And
my point to that is, can you imagine being the

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guy who everybody wants to be the guy and fail
the number of times that he did and still be
willing to say I'm the guy that confidence of being
willing to say, yeah, I know I've missed a bunch.
But he walks away with five ranks like it kept
going and he never got discouraged. And like you're saying,

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most people will say, oh, it's not working, therefore not me.
Most people will say, hey, I don't want to take
the last shot. I mean I just missed ten in
a row. Kobe. That's a Kobe. Kobe has immense confidence
in himself and that is what brought him so much success.
And on a personal note, the same thing in his
marriage with Vanessa. They had some problems. Obviously after the
incident in Colorado, whatever actually happened in Colorado, he never

(32:26):
denied that he had an affair on his wife. He
had a press conference to admit that in front of her.
She at one point actually had to file divorce papers.
He moved out of the house. But his determination, I
am not going to fail in this, you know. And
then ten years after Gianna was born, they have a
third baby ahead of a fourth baby. So he was

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one of those guys that just did not accept failure.
It just would not register with this man. And in
the latest project that I did with him, not think
about it. You're Kobe Bryant. You have hundreds of millions
of dollars, You have everything in the world. Do you
need to open up an academy to inspire the next
generation of basketball players? Not only do you need to
do that, but do you need to be involved on

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a daily basis like he was. I mean, you don't
need to do that. You can sit back and just
say I'm richer than anything, and I'm done. He that
that's not how he was wired. He's like, I need
to utilize my gifts. Very very spiritual. He's Catholic. You
go to church so much, that spiritual side of him.
And when people want to talk, it's interesting because people

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want to want to take the things that Kobe did
that weren't on the surface the best decision possible and say,
oh my God, that defined him. No, it didn't. Doesn't
this guy. I'm sure he made tons of mistakes we
don't know about. But did he persevere? Did he become
a great father and a great husband, and a great
leader and a great The idea of being the flawed

(33:53):
care superhero. We all have flaws, and we all and
things are bad. The question is how do you deal within?
How do you over comment? All right? So, when Lebron
James pass Kobe on the all time list, he talked
about how humbled he was just to be in the
same conversation with the guy that inspired him. You look
back at that oh three draft of Lebron and d

(34:14):
Wade and Carmelo Anthony. It wasn't Jordan they were looking at.
It was Kobe Bryant. That was their guy, all Right,
when the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. John has
done a big breakdown. I'm talking about the indispensable team
sport athlete that their mere presence is literally the difference

(34:35):
between winning and losing. We're exactly does Lebron James fit
with that quotient. We're gonna find out coming up next.
You're listening to Fox Sports Steve Irma, John break guess
with you here on this big Saturday. We're getting John's
unique perspective on sports today and it's great to have

(34:57):
John here. All right, So John, and again, the thing
about John is, I mean he's worked with so many
of these world class athletes. And by the way, it's
not just sports. I mean John covers at all, uh
six Emmy Awards in his fabulous career. So we're very
happy to have you here today. John. All right, we
were talking earlier, and you've done a big study on
the indispensable team sports athlete, the guys that truly matter.

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Noways Tom Brady may not be in that class because well,
he was hurt and they want eleven games of Matt Castle,
who hadn't started a game since high school, as their quarterbacks.
So maybe Tom Brady is not in that. So let's
get to Lebron James right now. It's interesting we were
talking about no one took more shots in critical situations,

(35:42):
and not even close than Kobe Bryant. Criticism of Lebron
over the years is that he's been hesitant to take
those shots, that his mentality is more of a playmaker,
that he has even verbalized the fact that he gets
more excited about somebody else making the shot, that he
sets up someone to make that shot than he does
on a personal level. So that being said, when we

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talk about Lebron James in terms of team sports and
being indispensable, where do you have them? I have Lebron
James in this argument, and this is something for everybody
to think about. Really, think who which athlete if they
were not on the team, they would not have won
a championship. And when you start going down that rabbit
hole and playing the big what if games, it becomes

(36:27):
very easy to dismiss people because by definition, most people
are replaceable. Lebron, to me is the example that I
use when posing this argument as to the consummate, irreplaceable
player backed up by science, data, stats results. If you
take them off the Cleveland Cavaliers. What happens they don't

(36:48):
win twenty games? You put them on the Cleveland Cavaliers,
what happens they get to the finals? When you put
them on the Heat, what's gonna happen? They'll go to
the finals? They like you put them on. The Lakers
are probably gonna go to the finals this year, like
they're a rate team. Lebron is that guy who is irreplaceable.
And to your point about him not taking the big shots,

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I almost see that as a strength because something that
Lebron has done better than others is to identify what
he can and cannot do and what he should and
should not do. And early in his career, if you
remember when the stories where oh he wilted in the
NBA Finals, and we kind of watched Lebron grow up

(37:29):
on the biggest stage in sports and basketball. He wasn't
a clutch shooter. He wasn't, but he impacted the game
in a massive way. And when people want to say
who's better m J, Kobe Lebron? What just different players.
He doesn't need to be the guy who takes the
last shot. That's not his role. His role is to
facilitate everything, and that's what's unusual about him. Jordan's was

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not the great facilitator of everything. He was the guy
who made everyone better and had at aura and wanted
to take the last shot. Very similar to something like Kobe.
Lebron is just that facilitator who can play any position
in raise the team's performance without having to hit the
big shot. All right, So if you were to compare

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the greatness of a Kobe Bryant versus a Lebron James,
how do you differentiate? You know, these are it's a
bit apples and oranges, because I mean, Lebron is playing
every position on the court. When people say what position
does he play? You know, you listen this morning about
oh he's playing point guard, but he also posted up

(38:34):
on center and he plays that, He plays the three,
plays the fourth like he plays everywhere. So it's really
hard to define to compare him to Kobe, who was
not Kobe wasn't playing five positions on the court. Neither
was MJ. So it's very hard to compare that. With
all of that being said, the the the idea of
which guy is going to bring more value? I think unfortunately,

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I mean, I think the argument is very clear that
the Lakers one championships without Kobe Bryant. The teams that
Lebron aren they the Cavaliers had never won a championship.
That was sort of his proving ground. The Heat had
done it prior. The Lakers are gonna do it again.

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But Cleveland is our perfect example of there's no way
they win without him. So in terms of being irreplaceable,
I think Lebron has the edge over Kobe. And talking
about who makes the bigger impact, I mean, it's it's
so much of an Apple's and oranges argument. It's hard
to scientifically put forward, here's the player that's absolutely better.
Can you make the argument? And I have been in
his corner and I have made it clear that I

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believe Lebron James is the greatest player in the history
of the NBA, in other words, the greatest basketball player ever.
And the media, of course, you get the fireback, how's
it possible he's you know, three and six or eight
or whatever. He is an NBA finals and Jordan was
six and oh and I go, well, actually, George and
played fourteen years, so he wasn't six for six. He

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was actually six for fourteen. But before we get to
the top, of the hour. Can you make that Jordan's
Lebron comparison. I agree with you that I think Lebron
is certainly in the most complete player to ever play
the game, for certain and that's that's that's very obvious
to me. Jordan's is certainly the most magnetic. And that

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the fact that they won six victories. If you do
remember when they set the um single season wins record,
the next year they won sixty eight games, like they
were really good. Still, that doesn't mean that Jordan's isn't
one of the year replaceables, But I think that the
tip for greatest basketball player of all time goes to Lebron.
All right, John Bronk gets here. Now, we we think

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are wherever we are is the center of the sports universe.
Not necessarily true. We're gonna tell you coming up here
from the Geico Fox Sports Radio Studios, what is the
center of the sports universe? Coming up next? Don't listening
to Fox Sports Radio rolling on on this big Saturday,

(41:06):
Harbin and Brancus with you once again, Come of you
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insurance physic guy got dot com for a free rate. Quote. Well,
everyone that comes on this show has their own perspective
on sports, and John is certainly no exception to that. However,
as we sat down before we came onto the air,

(41:27):
it was apparent to me that John is is a
little bit nutty. Okay, he's uh Is. There's some things
that he's gonna have to do a little a little
deeper explaining to me. I understand science and everything else. John,
and uh I. I We'll get into this whole idea
of separating science from being the answer to actually creating
more questions and everything else. But one thing that you

(41:49):
hit me up with right at the top here is
that I I know you're big Redskins fan. You're big
d C sports fan, which is fine a lot. You know,
I'm I grew up as an l A sports fan.
I have I have agents to San Diego as well,
because I've split most of my career between the two
markets and they're very separate markets. In fact, Orange County
is really a third market. There's l A Orange County

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San Diego by no outsiders like to lump in southern California,
which is not true. That would be like lumping d
C with New York and Boston. The obviously there are
three separate markets, all right, So it's one thing to
be loyal to the soil, so to speak. Okay, I
understand that aspect from being a fan. But now you
have gone so far as to say that d C

(42:32):
is literally the center of the sports universe. Okay, this
is where you lose me here. I'm gonna give you
every opportunity to explain how d C is the center
of the sports universe. Now, I did not say that
it was a center. Just to my own defense. The
premise of the argument is all sports can be tied

(42:53):
back to the DC market. That's that's the very different right,
So it's a different argument. But thought that being said,
let me present my argument why the Washington d C,
you know, Virginia Maryland corridor is all sports passed through
their all sports stories passed through there. So let's just

(43:13):
go with People always ask me why are you such
a big sports fan? How did you get involved in sports?
Because when I was young, I had Cal Ripken with
a World Series with the Orioles and he played his
entire career there. Now, when you are able to say
as a city, and all the Orioles were DC's team
when I was growing up. When I get to tell

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you right off the bat, I've got Cal Ripken in
a World Series. Bang, all of a sudden, let's start
drawing the lineage of players who passed through Baltimore. We
add the Washington Nationals, they just won a World Series.
You have stars like Bryce Harper, where if you connect
all of the baseball dot it's gonna pass through d

(43:55):
C in the argument at some point. So that's just baseball.
Let's go to basketball. The Bullets they have a World championship.
We had the nineteen seventy eight Bullets. They end up
beating the Seattle SuperSonics. You have Hall of famers that
that's that's the old Bullets. Then when I get to
say Michael Jordan's not only was an owner but a player.

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If all Michael Jordan's folklore tales passed through d C connected,
it's much like the Kevin Bacon six series of separation.
If I get to say that I'm gonna win the
basketball argument of all basketball runs through d C. I'll
give you a good example, and the second incarnation of
the Pistons with the bad Boys. Four of their six
players all were on the Wizards and could have been

(44:41):
on the Wizards at the same time. Rashid Wallace, Ben Wallace,
Darvin ham and Rip Hamilton's they all were on the Wizards.
So when you say, oh, well, how are they all connected,
I've got Michael Jordan's I've got championships all over. Then
you moved to football, and I've got Look, I've got
three Super Bowls. How many cities have three super bowl
Only a handful, Right, We've got Pittsburgh, You've got Dallas.

(45:02):
You've got the Niners. How many places have three with
three different quarterbacks. I've got Dion Sanders, I've got Bruce Smith,
I've you You start listing these giant stars and you're like, well,
everything goes through there. Now let's gonna hockey. I've got
yamber Yagur, Stanley Cup with the Washington Capitals, Alexander Ovechkin,
the lore of hockey. I win the argument. So the

(45:25):
only cities that I really look at that are truly
competitive are l A in Boston. Those are the those
are the two markets that you can say, yeah, everything
goes through there as well. But neither of the cities
has Michael Jordan's so d C. You can conclude, you
know what, maybe maybe break is crazy, but not that crazy.
All right, if you're not convinced like I am, that

(45:46):
John has way too much time on his hands to
think about these things. I appreciate that kind of stuff, Tom,
because I know a lot of things that come out
of my mouth people have no explanation for all. Right, Now,
I was I was stumming through some interviews that you did,
and I saw something, where are you are you? Are
you predicting the Redskins in the Super Bowl? Okay, all right,
but but you are you? You weren't talking about maybe

(46:09):
defensively they're gonna be a better team than offensively. They're
a little bit over looked in everything else. But is
there any amount of science that can come up with
In other words, science answers a lot of questions, but
it doesn't cover everything, Like, oh, I don't know ownership
of Daniel Snyder. I mean, is there any scientific formula

(46:30):
to come up with that can overcome the stigma of
a team owned by Daniel Snyder? So let's go back
prior to Daniel Snyder, right, and you have the Cook family.
So yeah, Jack Kent Cook, you know, and and then
his son took over afterwards. What was the philosophy of
the Redskins when they won three Super Bowl Who were
the biggest stars on that team? Guy's name the Hogs.
They just stacked their offensive line, now all their skill positions.

(46:54):
You had guys like John Riggins, George Rogers, you know,
Charlie Brown, Art monk Erry Clark, Joe thisman, Doug Rippin,
Uh you know, um Mark Mark, Mark Reverend sorry, and
Doug Williams. You have three different quarterbacks. Were they obsessed
with skill positions? Did they gravitate to the shiny object that,

(47:15):
oh this is a big name, or do they say
we need big guys up front? And then the skill
positions are interchangeable every year, including the quarterback position. Now
you enter Daniel Snyder. What's his what? What has he
suffered from shiny objects syndrome? Oh my god, I've got
to have Dion Sanders. He's gonna fix everything for me. Dude, listen,

(47:35):
all you need to do is stack your team up
front and have some discipline, and don't fall in love
with these shiny objects because they are replaceable far more
than the guys in the trenches. I'm hoping that Ron Rivera,
who I know, who I know through sports science. I'm
hoping that he can bring that sense of logic. Let's
stay calm, let's not rush to the shiny object, because

(47:58):
our skill position guys are just fine, but we need
a better front on both sides of them. But how
will he deal with the intervention inevitable of Daniel Snyder.
I mean, you know Ron Rivera, I mean I observe
him from afar. He doesn't seem to be to ease
old school. I mean, I the idea that let me
run the show, and that's just not going to be

(48:19):
the case. Dan Snyder is going to force his way
in to his coaches room and put his opinion on
the table. And how does a guy like Ron Rivera react.
I'm hoping that the dwindling Redskins fan base has given
Daniel Snyder the ultimate wake up call where ultimately he

(48:41):
can say, what I have been doing is not working.
This the stadium that I have that can hold nine people,
I've had a pair back and taken. I've had to
take seats away to pare it down to six. They
can't give away tickets. The product stinks so I'm hoping
that he understands what I'm doing. I'm the common denominator.

(49:04):
I'm the only one who's been here for all of
this losing it's not working, So I need to relinquish
this control. And what I what I hope doesn't happen,
is he relinquished control to Steve Spurrier. He relinquished control
to Marty Schottenheimer, to Joe Gibbs, to Mike Shanahan. Like
he's relinquished control, but he takes it back really quickly.

(49:26):
He's like, oh, you know, r G three, we're you know,
we're gonna do what I want to do with r
G three, and you're gonna listen to him. And I'm
not gonna let the coach decide. If he could just
keep himself and we could just lock him up, we'd
be fine. Well, that's that's gonna be a problem. Then
that that is definitely going to be a problem. By
the way, I want to get into coming up here
shortly the launch of the XFL, because you know, we

(49:48):
we talk a lot about athletes, and you know, I
think that John we we were talking about this again
before the show, that if you're not blessed with whatever
that little something is physically that separates the normal human
being from a world class athlete. Maybe even have a
great appreciation. I'm sure you do to the tenfold because

(50:09):
you've studied the human body and what it is that
makes these athletes so supreme. But when we're talking about
players at a professional level, the highest level of athletes
with the rare exception you know, the Bowl jacks in
the world or those you know, super suprea, is there
a lot that separates these athletes. Absolutely? Um, But I

(50:33):
want to divide athletes into those who are just incredibly
advantaged guys who are if you're six five, two sixty,
you're gonna you're gonna be playing something and have an
effect on it. There just aren't that many people on
the planet. In fact, the worldwide statistic of number of
human beings on the planet who play professional football is

(50:56):
point zero zero zero zero zero zero two for all positions.
That's zero. So being able to play professional football is rare.
But let's break it down more by position. When I
like to emphasize how many people could play offensive or
defensive line in in the NFL. How many people are there,

(51:17):
even like you and I are out of that equation
automatically like most people listening, Probably you couldn't because you're
not big enough and strong enough to actually do it.
But how many people could play quarterback or running back
or receiver. You have a lot of guys in working
in sports science, with the thousands of athletes they worked with,

(51:38):
there actually are a lot of guys who look like me,
who are anywhere between five eight and five eleven and
two d and something pounds. I clearly could never play,
but my body type doesn't eliminate me automatically. I could play.
Top five running backs of all time in the NFL
by yards game. None of them are over six ft tall,
average weights two pounds. None of them were the fastest, biggest,

(52:02):
or strongest on their team. They were big enough, strong enough,
fast enough. So when you fall into that category, what
then happens is you have to have that intangible mental side. Yes,
I'm a fast person, Yes I'm strong. I may not
be the biggest, strongest, and fastest. But are you willing
mentally to do what needs to get done? Are you
willing to do your job? And this is where the

(52:22):
BELICHICKI and philosophy comes in. Does anybody think Wes Welker
or even Julian Edelman is one of the greatest receivers
of all time. Or did they mentally buy into a
system and say, if I do my job, I'm going
to have success. But when you took Wes Welker off
of the Patriots, did he win a Super Bowl? Like automatically?
Was he the reason? If you take Edelman and put

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them on my beloved Redskins, do they win a Super Bowl? No?
These parts are interchangeable at the skill position, So that
mental aspect is what separates you is buying in and
doing the job in a unit where in the guy
go Fox Sports Radio Studios. So a year ago this time,
the Alliance of American Football launched with a lot of
fanfare and they didn't even survive a single season. Will

(53:07):
the future of the XFL be any different, We're gonna
tell you coming up next. Yes, yes, you're listening to
Fox Sports Steve Hartman and John bronchus the Weird Science.

(53:27):
By the way, John, before we get back to the
discussion of the future of the XFL, I mean you
made your niche by developing something that no one else
was doing. All right, that let's let's try to explain
what is actually what are we seeing here as far
as the sports world is concerned, you know, the scientific

(53:48):
How did this all start for you? So it started
by my production company specialized in sports TV and science TV,
and we'd made a series of programs starting with a
show called x M a Extreme Martial Arts um. There
was kind of like biomechanics light of martial arts. But
Tom Cruise did the raps for it, the CG company
that did the matrix at all the effects for it.

(54:09):
It was a very successful show on the Discovery Channel.
Then National Geographic came along and they wanted to science
it up. So we made a show called Fight Science,
brought the world's greatest martial artists into the lab, had
them punch and kick the crap out of the only
federally certified crash test dummy to see which style generated
the most amount of force. That was so successful. Fox
that owns Geographic and Fox Sports said do that, but

(54:31):
make it for sports. So we said, well, we have
a property sports science. So when we the premise of
Sports Science is, look, we're gonna bring the world's greatest
athletes in because they don't want to. We never paid
anybody they're gonna want to come in and put themselves
to the test to either confirm or learn something about
their their game. What when we started in two thousand seven,
there was literally the iPhone didn't exist. There there was

(54:55):
no off the shelf sensor you could get. So we
fashioned our own stuff at a tech scance, swers that
were being used by NASA and everything you can imagine
to piece together away to essentially create the field of analytics.
So the show was called Sports Science. There was no
sports science major at the time, there was no sports
scientist on a team. And but when we were on

(55:17):
Fox and then on ESPN and did episodes of it,
what we created was this this wave we obviously we
didn't we were a part of a wave that was
going on, and I'm very blessed to have been in
the right place at the right time. The what we're
seeing now is, well, while we sort of exposed, here
are a different lens you can look at the world
of sports through and that's through science. What's happening now

(55:40):
is there's so much science, information and analytics that are
out there. People love to follow. They want to fall
in love with the top end of the curve. My
job now is to tell people it's not the top
end of the curve. You want big enough, strong enough,
fast enough, not big as strong as fast as you
want glue pieces things that work. There are different metrics

(56:02):
and measurables that are far more important than a forty
yard dash. A great stat on the forty yard dash
is top ten offensive players. This is prior to Tyreek
Hill UH. Top ten offensive players in forty yard dash
NFL electronic era. Of those top ten fastest, eight of
the top ten had a UH. Two of the top
ten had a thousand yards in the season. The other

(56:24):
eight did not have a thousand yards in their careers.
And it just shows you how silly of a metric
the forty yard dash. You remember John Ross when he
ran that four to forty at the combine, fastest ever recorded.
How's that, NFL going? Is? How's that going? And here's
why F equals m A forces mass times acceleration. The
bigger and mass bigger, the bigger the acceleration, higher the force.
You can't survive when you're that fast. So the Tyreek

(56:45):
Kills of the world are the anomaly. Alright, We're watching
the kickoff of the first game d C that's right, TC.
It all goes through DC. Where exactly are they playing
this game? John, I think they're there. You recognize that venue?
That which venue is this? Isaac has it? Where are
they playing this game? It is an outfit called Oudi

(57:07):
Field in Washington, d C, which is where the Major
League Soccer team d C United play. It's a very
pretty nice venue out there, all right, and they got
a decent crowd. Obviously a lot of NDCs, but there
there are people actually there. Uh So officially, if you
were to ask who was the first team ever to
score in the new XFL history, d C is the answer.

(57:29):
There's a lot of different things they're doing with this
league right now. Uh And we were talking between breaks
here about that the NFL is watchings. Let's let's make
one thing perfectly clear. Every NFL team has an eyeball
on this league. Because you're always searching for talent. It
never ends. There is always going to be an opportunity.

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And this is what the Alliance of American Football was
banking on a year ago. They essentially wanted to get
into a partnership with the NFL, essentially a developmental type league.
There's your buddy Jim's former risk anyway. So but this
is a totally different entity because of the presence of
Vince McMahon, financing will not be a problem for the

(58:13):
XFL as it was for the a F because he
will just pull money out of his bank account to
ensure the future of the league. But what do you
think it is that will get eyeballs here? John? In
other words, it's one thing for the league to stay
alive simply because Vince McMahon chooses to. It's another thing
to actually gain an audience. So how does a league

(58:34):
like this gain an audience? So let's think about who's
running this league and has this person in Vince McMahon,
ever built a successful enterprise to foster an audience. And
the answer is, Look, there's probably nobody better who embraces
branding individuals. Fitz McMahon in the growth of the WWF

(58:56):
that became the w W E was not obsessed with
you must say w w F and there's a great
thirty for thirty um on the Andre the Giant Thum
or the Andre to the Giant Um ESPN movie was amazing.
What what you saw is that he knew it's personality driven,
so what's gonna happen with this league is he's not

(59:16):
gonna cram the branding of x f L down everyone's throats.
He's gonna find the players that can be those spokespeople,
those endorsers, those guys that are a magnetic and personality.
Because look in the recent passing with David Stern and
everyone saying that he's the greatest commissioner of all time
for the NBA. Why why is he considered the greatest

(59:37):
because he embraced personality. He it wasn't n B A,
n B A, M and E A. It was Michael
Jordan's We're going to brand the individual. When you can
do that and you have a mind that's fixated on
knowing that the greater good is by by hoisting up individuals,
I think they have a shot at making They're gonna

(59:58):
be a Petri Dish for the rules, and they're gonna
they're gonna make some stars. I remember a conversation years
ago I had with Dana White UFC and he was
in studio with me and we were talking about, you know,
what was gonna separate the UFC. I mean, they had
the octagon and everything else, but you go back to
promoting personalities. I remember thinking, could you ever see women

(01:00:21):
in the UFC? And he goes, no, absolutely, not until
he met Rhonda Rousi. And when he realized that she
had the it factor, not only did he embrace it,
she became as biggest star by far, she was outshining.
So again the idea of marketing the individual. I love

(01:00:43):
what you said about David Stern because even when Burden
Magic came into the league, and you can make the
argument that they came in first and really saved the league.
But the dynamic of promoting the individual over the team,
and this is this is again when we get all
the way you talk about a linear connection here. So

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Michael Jordan was that guy that suddenly his star power
rose above the team. And who's looking on is a
young Kobe Bryant. And I always said this about Kobe Bryant,
and not that it was a criticism, it was just
reality that he was very much an individual in a
team sport. Kobe had a really difficult time putting team

(01:01:27):
success in perspective because he always looked at it as
individual and that whole dynamic of individual versus team. Is
this healthy though? I mean for these sports in general.
I mean, you can talk about a marketing tool, John,
but I mean long term, the idea of individual over team.
Is this healthy for team sports? And the answer to

(01:01:49):
that is it doesn't matter if it is or is not,
because that's that's the world we live in. We we
now have the rise of small market teams where you know,
I mean, Milwaukee's probably gonna win the East right where
it's a tiny team. And the idea of that those
individuals of you know, you have your Greek freak and
we're allowed to put him up on the pedestal and

(01:02:12):
to be the face. It's less of oh, it's the Bucks,
and it's more it's, oh, it's the Greek freak. End company.
That idea. That's just the world we live in. Social
media is very individualized, the communication we have is very individualized.
I think that sport is more in the era of
the indie artist. It's you can have somebody who's a

(01:02:34):
giant rock star who doesn't have to be signed to
a major label, who can still make a major impact
to the industry as a whole. What the XFL is
going to have an advantage over is that Vince McMahon
is he's created a game that's encouraging offense. So he's
gonna have these spectacular plays and he's waiting to see
which guy rises up and becomes marketable. And do you

(01:02:57):
really think Vince mcmahn is gonna say, well, I'm not
gonna pay that guy a lot of money or is
he going to say the ten million, twenty million whatever
I have to pay that guy's marketing, social media, present,
you know, endorsements, everything is worth more to my league
than letting him go and have the story of I
use the XFL as a training ground. That's the difference.
The Alliance was really saying, we're developmental league for the NFL.

(01:03:21):
The XFL is going to say, no, we're They're gonna
end up keeping these players. That's what's gonna happen. We're
in the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. On the
other side, I'm going to explain how it is that
John has, in essence, with his fascination with the science
of sports, changed the game forever all sports, and not
necessarily for the best reasons. Okay, now it wasn't his intention,

(01:03:45):
I mean, but people have exploited what he has done
and try to use it to their vantage. We'll get
into that. But right now, let's find out what is trending.
Isaac Lowan Kron who challenged John earlier to come up
with some kind of scientific evidence whether or not it's
healthy that I talk as much as I do, He

(01:04:05):
is not even going to go there. Apparently it's all
about perspective. Steve. It's in my perspective. It's healthy for you.
It is, because, like I said, there's never been anything
as intoxicating to me as a sound of my own voice.
I have to admit, Well, one thing that's good about
how much you talk is we know you're alive. So
there you go. Right. So, if anybody, if we're looking

(01:04:28):
for like the how healthy is Steve, what's going on?
Is he? Like when you get up in those years
if you're not talking, We're like, well, he's probably not alive. John.
This is a true story. This is after the two
thousand and six National Championship game at the Final Four
in Indianapolis. We get out of the old R. C.
A Dome at about one or two o'clock in the morning.

(01:04:49):
We go across the street to steak and shake. It's
me Steve and Victor brick Jacobs, our beloved and dear friend,
and Vick and I are just totally exhausted. It's been
a long a, a a long night, a long week. And
Steve somehow starts going through the nineteen seventies u c
l A. Bruins game by game, literally minute by minute.

(01:05:12):
He's like, well, in November twenty at nineteen seventy four,
they hosted Fresno State in a nonconference game, and they
were up such and such a halftime, and so and
so led them in reband game by game while Vick
and I are just trying to stay awake and it's
two o'clock in the morning, and Steve was like a machine.
That is true, right, Steve. It's a very lonely world
when you understand that I am the only one interested

(01:05:34):
in anything that's going through my mind right now, and
yet somehow you flourish. Yeah, it has. When Steve reaches
the age of ninety or pick whatever elderly age you have,
it's gonna be very hard for us to tell whether
or not he's lying and making stuff up, because they're like,
I'm not gonna be able to fact check this crazy thing.
You're gonna start talking about the nineteen sixty eight whomever

(01:05:55):
and we're like, I don't know if it's true or not.
He's just talking. He's alive. We're happy. Not many things
slower than Google, but are not many things faster than Google,
but one of them is Steve Hartman. So you ask
what's trending, Well, I'll tell you what. I was gonna
start with college basketball. But the number one trending topic
in the world right now on Twitter is this, Ahi,

(01:06:18):
kid you not. The inaugural game has right now at
Addie Field in Washington, d C. The Seattle Dragons out
to a six to three lead over the DC Defenders
in the first quarter. A lot of positive feedback on
social media so far. Among other things. As part of
the telecast, you can hear the coaches calling the play

(01:06:39):
on the air to the players in real time. Here
is DC coach Cap Hamilton's calling out a play to
his quarterback, the former Ohio State star Cardale Jones sthor Or.
That audio, by the way, courtesy of the Houston Astros.
Excuse me, sorry, That audio courtesy of ABC. The other

(01:07:01):
big story in college basketball Indiana, taken on Perdue at
Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ford as a twenty two to
twenty lead with seven thirty nine left to play in
the first half. But the story Bobby Knight expected to
be in attendance for the first time since being fired
by Indiana twenty years ago. He has not been spotted

(01:07:22):
in the actual arena itself, but it's expected he's going
to be there for the halftime ceremony that honors the
Big Ten championship team. In fact, reporter Rick Bozit just
tweeting they put up a black screen between the press
room and the tunnel to adjacent Cook Hall. Security at
Assembly Hall says Bobby Knight is watching the first half

(01:07:42):
with his former players and will be introduced at halftime.
Should be quite a moment, Stephen, John, back to you,
all right, Thank you very much, Hilo. Once again, we're
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(01:08:03):
John Breakas is here with us the science man and John,
you know you mentioned the fact that when you started
doing venturing in the sports world that these the biggest
name athletes were volunteering for nothing, And the reason being
is is that if you are an athlete of the

(01:08:23):
highest level, if you can find out ways to gain
an advantage, learn something about your physical being that could
benefit you. Of course I'm going to I want to
know more about that. However, because of you, in the
science of sports and the analytics of sports, everybody is
looking to gain an advantage, which brings us to the

(01:08:45):
Houston Astros to it. So, now, according to reports, where
did this all start. Well, apparently an intern for the
Houston Astros had an excel base application designed to decode
as and catchers signs. So and what it was an
interesting about the like the general manager at first said

(01:09:06):
he had no idea that they were actually going to
try to apply it to a game. By the way,
this intern still works for the organization, which I find
fascinating since everyone else has been fired. But let let
me ask you this. I think a lot of people
are curious and the whole notion that even if I
know a pitch is coming, how much does that actually
mean as far as gaining an advantage. So I want

(01:09:30):
to start with this old scandal. To begin with, this
is hilarious. You see the headline and it's a very
salacious headline. Astro has had a complex computer algorithm written
to decode what pitch is going to be thrown. Okay,
it ultimately got boiled down to whether or not they

(01:09:51):
were hitting a trash can. This is why either it's
a fastball or not fastball. It's like Silicon Valley. If
anybody watches it, hot dog not hot dog. How complicated
is his algorithm of he's going to throw a fastball
or not a fastball. This is not rocket science. The
fact that they're like an intern brought us an idea
and we embraced it. That employed it to banging a

(01:10:13):
trash can. Every team is trying to determine whether or
not he's gonna throw a fastball. It's impossible. Even if
you know a fastball is going to be thrown, the
chances of successfully getting a hit still if it's if
it's three and ten, that's incredible. Yes, they won a
World Series with it. I'm telling you they're not the

(01:10:35):
only team that was trying to figure out a way
to get an edge of whether or not it's going
to be a fastball or not. They did not have
a system, and nobody has a system for oh, it's
gonna be an eighty four mile per hour curveball. It
was either coming at you at ninety plus or not.
That that's as much information as you can give the
story to me is reaching the comical level of saying

(01:10:58):
it's an advanced compute you to a program. It was
in a self spreadsheet where the guy's like, when the
pitch count is two and one, he more than likely
throwing a fastball. All right, but let's go back to
the American League Championship Series. The last pitch alto of
A turns on a slider of a all this Chapman
and just crushes it for the game winner. And he's

(01:11:20):
clutching his uniform as he's rounding third. Do not take
the uniform off me, because I have a buzzer. You
see the buzzer right there. There's a buzzer that told
me that he was not gonna throw a one three heater,
that he was gonna throw the slider, and I was
sitting on it and I knocked out of the park.
The Chapman reaction the second that LT hit the ball

(01:11:41):
was like, there is no way he could have known
and that moment that I was gonna throw that pitch
unless he was tipped off. So that is the storyline
that we've been having to deal with ever since this
scandal broke, that the culmination of this was that pitch
the Chapman through And so the Yankee fans are screaming

(01:12:04):
Dodger fans of screaming cheater, cheater, jose Al two of
his career has been a complete farce. Everything is not
real because this five ft five kid cannot possibly be
hitting all these pitches unless he was told in advance
exactly what pitch. And it's ridiculous to me that That's
what's ridiculous. The fact is he still had to hit
the pitch. Like, even if you know, even if you

(01:12:26):
say I'm throwing you a slider, that's what I'm doing
right now, the chances of hit you still have to
hit the pitch. This whole like, is there a buzzers
or not a buzzer. We haven't proven that there is
a buzzer. There isn't a buzzer. Buzzer people just kind
of claiming that. But even if even if you somehow
have a system that's telling you it, I just want
to put everything in perspective of he did did the

(01:12:49):
Astros cheat, Yes, I'm sure they did. Is everybody else
trying to cheat? Yes, they're trying to cheat. Do we
know what the system is? No, we don't know what
the system is. But you still have execute. It doesn't
matter if you actually know. You still have to execute
the science of hitting a baseball. I'll give it to
a round ball on around bat. Okay, the odds of

(01:13:11):
an hour fastball connecting with the sweet spot on the bat?
What are we talking? All right? So here's the breakdown.
So let's just deal with the ninety mile fastball. Four
tenths of a second is what it takes to reach
home plate. If it leaves it ninety miles per hour,
it's crossing home plate at roughly eighty two miles an
hour because there's an eight percent of degregation um just

(01:13:31):
in drag right just by itself. The when you look
at the it takes the human brain one tenth of
a second to recognize that an object is moving. It
takes another tenth of a second to fire brain waves
to start to move. It then takes fifteen hundreds of
a second to get the bat around. You do that math,

(01:13:52):
and you're left with five hundreds of a second to
do anything. It's it's an like, it's such a small
increment of time that the chances. That's why if you
get a hit three and ten times, you're amazing. Even
if the picture looks at you and says I'm throwing
a fastball just making contact with it is it's far

(01:14:12):
more likely you miss then you hit it. All right.
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all right. So when you hear major league pictures say

(01:14:33):
that I would much rather face a hit or juiced
up on p E d s, then a guy that
knows the pitch that I'm throwing, what do you say
to them? Well? P D S does not help batting,
first of all, right, it doesn't. It doesn't help that.
It helps recovery and if you can make it. What
what's interesting is one thing that people don't talk about
is that what p E d s do do is

(01:14:55):
a sharpen your eyesight because it increases testosterone in a
higher level of testosterone, uh, creates a clear vision um
in your mind. With that being said, in your eye.
Without all that being said, you still have to make contact.
And I'd actually did a true statistical study that I
spent a year on looking at McGuire in bonds home
runs because obviously those guys were juicing doing the cream

(01:15:17):
and the clear The question is did they hit the
ball farther than they normally would have? No, the ball
went the same distance, So what what was the X factor?
They recovered quicker and they had sharper eyesight. That that's it.
That those are the two things. Now, if you know
the pitch is coming, when you say, oh, I don't
want a guy to know which which is pitch? Pitch
is coming. Even if you say it's a fastball, it's

(01:15:38):
a slider to whatever, do you know where it's gonna
wind up in the in in the strike zone? And
I am are you saying it's gonna be, you know,
right at belt level and that's where it's gonna be.
So swing with your eyes closed. You still have to
actually execute. I think this story is being blown out
of it. It's almost like the steroid story where people
are like, oh my god, I can't believe Bonds did steroids.

(01:15:58):
You like, look at like going to the DC market.
Look at Brady Anderson. He had fifty home runs the year.
That's seventy. By the way, he was cut like a
bodybuilder those days. You remember that he took those you know,
shirtless pictures and everything else. Obviously he was doing something.
You're not doing that by doing push ups. Okay, you're
not getting that kind of physique doing push ups? All right?
Where the guy go? Fox Sports Radio Studios. I find

(01:16:20):
this fascinating because it seems to be this ongoing argument
about performance enhancing drugs. You know, athletes gaining an advantage.
This man knows he's done. This scientific study isn't true.
Should guys be left out of the Hall of Fame
because they were deemed that they were enhanced because of

(01:16:41):
performance and Nancy drugs? Did they really have an advantage
over the other players? John's got the answer coming up next.
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Steve Irvan John brinkus
with you here on this big Saturday, the launch of
the XFL today, closing in on the NBA All Star weekend.

(01:17:02):
But my in large, February is what we call a
free month. We can talk about a lot of different
things in this month or not overcome with the March,
Maddis and all the other things pictures and catchers coming
up in baseball. So we're exploring some things with John
today and we got into the subject matter of performance
enhancing drugs. And once again, for the eighth consecutive year,

(01:17:25):
two of the greatest baseball players ever, Barry Bonds and
Roger Cummins, are bypassed by the Baseball Writers Association America,
saying they were cheaters, which was always amazing to me
because the very same group of guys gave Clemens seven
Cy Young Awards upon seven m v P Awards, four
in a row, when it was obvious when your shoe
sides goes from ten and after thirteen, when you're in
your late third and he said, you might be on

(01:17:46):
something to build yourself, but they ignored it at the
time handed him awards. But now in retrospect they want
to penalize them. That's another story. But let's get down
to the science of this. John. The whole idea of
the use of performance enhancing drugs as a means to
gain an advantage. Where do you stand on? All? Right?

(01:18:07):
So I think that we as a society have been
approaching this issue totally wrong. We're looking at this in
terms of guys who wear white hats and guys who
wear black hats. They're good guys and bad guys, and
the reality is every player is wearing a gray hat.
This idea about, Oh, I'm outraged that the playing field

(01:18:28):
is not level because one guy did a performance enhancing
drug and another guy didn't. I'm here to tell you
everyone is seeking an advantage of some kind. Now, is
it through a p e D or a diet, or
altitude or a training ticket, whatever it is, there is
no level playing fields. So everyone just has to get

(01:18:48):
that out of their head. Now when we move on
to actual p e d s themselves, here's the reality.
As you, as a sports fan, are sitting there and
you take a leave because your muscles are hurting you,
and you go to the doctor and you say, you know,
I want to feel more youthful. If John Brinkus can
go to the doctor legally and get steroids or h

(01:19:09):
g H or anything else that's gonna improve my performance.
If I can do that and I'm not making a
hundred million dollars where my job dictates that I perform
at my physical best if I'm allowed to do it.
Why do we not allow professional athletes to engage in
stuff that we are engaging with that's legal and safe

(01:19:31):
and tested by no means? Am I saying, look, go
out and do any drug you want. Because obviously, if
if a player goes out and does cocaine or acid,
which many players have, that's bad. That's bad for you,
it's bad for the game. But something like h G
H you I can go get it? Why can't a
player go get it? Why should I care that he's
that he or she's doing everything they can to be

(01:19:53):
the best possible. About a minute here, I want to
ask you this, and you can say yes or no
to the question. But the question is, with someone as
involved in the science of sports as you have been,
have athletes asked you? Have you been approached by people that, hey,
I want you to test a product for me to

(01:20:14):
see whether or not it actually improves my performance all
the time. I mean when I say I've dealt with
one of everything, I've tested one of everything. And the
reality is most devices that are on the market are
a lot of snake oil. You know, there are shoes
that oh they they're They've got sprigs that of a
deal jumb higher and like it's it's like people don't

(01:20:36):
understand like the physics of jumping and why that wouldn't work.
It did. Most things don't work right. But I do
test stuff and do come across products every now and
then that I say, yeah, this is gonna help your performance,
and that's great. Now, if it's a piece of equipment
that you're allowed to use in training, is that a
performance enhancing device probably helps your performance, So everybody should

(01:20:56):
be able to use it. Everyone. Seed needs to relax
on this argument and really come over to the side
of gosh, if I used spell check at work, I
should allow my athletes to do whoever they want to do.
We're in the Guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. You
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we just seem to be scratching the service on how
many different angles we can go on sports. But during
our little time out here, John and I got into
the conversation about one of the subject matters that Kobe

(01:21:42):
Bryant had shortly before his untimely passing, because he mentioned
that there were three women who play in the w
m B A who he guarantees Diana Trassi, my More,
I can't remember who the third one was, said that
they would play in the NBA right now. I remember

(01:22:03):
even talking about this on my show, and a lot
of people on the surface would say, please, these guys
couldn't I mean, these ladies could not even make a
a boy's high school basketball team, much less play in
the NBA. So, once again, you've done a little research
on the female athlete, and bigger, stronger, faster. Men are

(01:22:28):
just bigger, They're stronger, there's faster, So there's just no way,
even if you're an elite female athlete, that you can
compete on that level. Yeah, and that idea is so
silly because if you all want to ever check out,
I did a Ted talk type in John Brinks Ted
talk about this topic because I'm so passionate about it.

(01:22:50):
I have a son, I have a daughter, a thirteen
year old son in a eleven year old daughter. And
my daughter is still the fastest human in her grade.
She's still fastest right now. Is that going to continue?
Probably not? Probably not. She won't be the fastest when
she's twenty. But who cares? How fast do you need
to be to play soccer? How fast do you need

(01:23:12):
to be to be a bowler? How fast do I
need to be to play golf. What we are doing
to our young ladies and our our our girls is
that we're telling them from the day that they're born,
you will never be as good as the guys, because
we're gonna segregate you out and force you to play
with all the other girls and not play with boys.

(01:23:35):
And the truth is, girls mature faster. They have a
higher threshold of pain, They have a higher percentage of
body fat, which allows them to burn it to have
a higher endurance rate. If you look at somebody like
Diana Naiad, she was sixty three, only human being to
swim from Cuba to Florida. Somebody like Pam Reid, who
won uh the bad Water Ultra Marathon, which is a
hundred and thirty four miles through Death Valley. She's the

(01:23:56):
only human being to win it in back to back years. Overall,
when people say who's better athlete a man or a woman,
depends on the sport, depends on the position. What we
should do, and this is the controversial thing that I'm advancing,
we shouldn't have female youth sports. We should just have
girls playing with boys from the get go. This is why.
All right, so when we talk about human evolution in

(01:24:19):
a sense what you're saying, John, at least what I'm
figuring out is that the evolution of the female athlete
is being stunted by the fact that they are forced
to compete against other females, and that their evolution would
move much quicker as an athlete if they competed against men.
I mean, just think about it. If you're playing against

(01:24:40):
better competition from the word go, you get to be better.
I mean, that's just logic, right. I mean, if you're
if you're a musician and you play with other musicians
who are better, are you become a better musician? Period?
As an athlete, we should have our girls competing with
the boys and allow nature to weed out players. I
tell I tell people all the time, I was the

(01:25:01):
fastest fastest person in sixth grade. I didn't I didn't
go to college to play football because I wasn't good enough.
But at least I had the opportunity to try. We're
not allowing women the opportunity to engage in all sports
at the highest level. And when in a lot of
the arguments that are made is that, well, a woman
would never play in the NFL. Fine, men don't play

(01:25:23):
in the NFL. It's point zero zero zero zero zero
zero two. I can't play in the NFL. You can't
play in the NFL. So what what about all the
other sports? And why do we I love to use
golf as a great example. We have an lp G A.
Why because women can't hit the ball far enough? You
have a fourteen year old Michelle Wee who was able
to drive the ball over three hundred yards. The world

(01:25:44):
record for long drive for a female is over four
hundred yards. You want them teeing off from the insultingly
titled Ladies Tea? Is that just telling women, oh, you're
not as good? There's no bio mechanical disadvantage to being
a woman to hitting a golf ball. All male bowlers
have an advantage of female bowler obviously, because what female

(01:26:05):
could roll a ball? Uh with pins? She's there's just
no way. They're too weak, they couldn't possibly do it.
That's like you look at billiards, pool, dart golf, like,
why are we separating women out from this? And the
fact that Kobe one of the lasting things they said
was Maya Moore could play in the NBA? Now is
that true or not? If she were playing against the

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best competition the whole time, I guarantee you yeah, she
probably could. But more importantly, if we took every girl
from across the world and gave them equal the same rules,
the same equipment, the same coaching, the same sport, and
put them up against the boys in every sport. I'm
not just talking about football, basketball, baseball, every sport. The

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answer of the number of girls who could rise in
a send to be a professional athlete, the answer is
not zero. It's more than zero, all right. So we
are seeing very slowly the hiring of female coaches in
the NFL, in the n b A, I mean basketball,

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bat let's let's stay with bast for second. Hey, John,
all right, so when we talk about the game of basketball,
and someone that I've known for many years is the
great Cheryl Miller. And if you listen to her fellow
Hall of Fame younger brother, Reggie Miller, until he's blew
in the face, he could, he will tell you my

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sister could compete against any man. I mean, for her
size and everything else. I mean, obviously she's taken on
a seven two guy. Well, no six ft four, six
ft three person is going to be able to handle
a seven two person man or female. But he says
she could play and did play against guys and held

(01:27:53):
her own at every stage. So do you think that
what's your envision right now from a basketball standpoint is
a lot sooner than we think that. Maybe those words
that Kobe Bryant put out there is already on the
minds of other people, But you have to develop it
at the earliest level. That's the whole point, John, I mean,

(01:28:16):
you have to. You have an eleven to look at.
My daughter has two older brothers, and she was a
vastly superior athlete. They were good athletes, better than their dads.
But she had the wheels, she had the speed. I mean,
she could run circles around her older brothers. She was
that kind of athlete at a very young stage. So
my point is, can you see us as a society

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and we see what literally we do see some of
the infiltration of kids together, but it's gonna have to
be universal to actually develop the kind of female athlete
that we're talking about competing at an adult level against
the man. My my proposal of look, lits mixed boys
and girls from the get go, because look, that doesn't
mean that girls aren't gonna play if they aren't the best.

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Means some girls will be on the B team with
some other boys. What's wrong with that. There's a varsity,
there's a jv. Some girls will the girls that are
able to rise above and crack that varsity level, the
n C double A level, the professional level, they're gonna
influence the girls in the world far more than just
sticking on the female path because the the the the

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unfortunate truth is when you say, oh, she has a record,
a lot of people go, yeah, it's the female sports.
So it's it's a different game, The rules are different,
they're shorter games, smaller equipment. Easy. Like, if you take
lacrosse as an example, they they're not allowed to make contact.
It's a different sport than men's lacrosse. We should just
have it across the board. And to answer your question,

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it's gonna take some league, some people, real courage to
just simply say the boys and girls are playing together.
Soccer is the obvious easy one to just from the
get go. You just have them play. Girls are are
stronger and faster, quicker than boys anyway, and when they
reach their teenage years, some people will be weeded out.
That's just what happens. That's fine. If we're in a

(01:30:02):
society right now that we're we're arguing over who gets
to use which bathroom, We're like, gosh, is there are
men's should there be a men's room in a ladies room?
And now it's like this argument of no, you should
use whoseever you want. Let's just apply that logic to athletics.
Why why eliminate a girl from being from participating at

(01:30:22):
the highest level from the get go. Someone's got to
have the courage. You know, maybe I'll start my own
little league team league. Maybe I'll do something to say
I believe in women so much that I think they're
they're they're being given the short end of the stick
by segregatting them out too early. Well, now there is
one sport, in fact, it is the only sport we're

(01:30:44):
from a financial standpoint, men and women are equal footing,
and that is tennis. They have equal prize money. Even
though the women played two out of three sets, some
men played three out of five. There's been complaints saying, well,
woa wa woa whoa, the winner of each of the
four Grand Slams gets the exact same page with less play.
So if you're a top female, let's say you're Serena Williams,

(01:31:04):
and you're saying, and she's collected all this money winning
all these Grand Slam titles, and now we eliminate it.
We just have a universal There will be some women
are saying, whoa, whoa. We were okay with the way
it was totally, but think about it. The games are shorter,
like what why, let's just think about this. Why why
do women play fewer sets? Why because they'll explode. That's why.

(01:31:28):
Because we play for But that's been sort of my argument.
I'm all for equal pay for equal play. It's not equal,
it's not even close to different game, and we need
to make it the same. And when people say, well,
what about Serena Williams. Would she be as good if
she played against men? No, but would she never win

(01:31:49):
a tournament. Look, if you play against boys and men
the whole time is you're growing up, you develop a
different skill set that what you need to beat and
inferior class. And she plays against men all the time
to make her game better, to make it better. And
what's interesting is people that respond to this sort of argument,
the elite females in the world are gonna say, well,

(01:32:10):
don't put down my records. I'm not putting down the records.
You're playing with the rules that have been presented to you.
I'm saying society would be even better if you were
playing with the men. Got the easiest sport to do
this with is golf by far. If you just said
all women play against all men in golf, if you
look at the worldwide statistics of driving distance from uh

(01:32:30):
fairway to green uh puts in regulation, if you look
at everything, women are dead even there's no reason to
separate it. And you could do it in the blink
of an eye. Yeah, and when they're standing over that
must make ten foot put yeah. It's and women, there's
no difference. There's, of course no difference. It's it's it's
all about the kinectic linking and efficiency of transfer of energy.

(01:32:51):
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It is easy. Right. So we always talk about sports
athletes bigger, stronger, faster. That's the wave of the U
to win them. Bigger, stronger, faster. And now there's an
NBA team saying no, and that is the Houston Rockets.

(01:33:36):
Clint Capella gone. And the other night, going up against
the Lakers, they put out a lineup with no one
over six six, which had not happened since the nineteen
sixty three New York Knickerbockers as most people called him
back in the day. And guess what, they won the game,
even on a night when the Beard had a bad game. Okay,

(01:34:00):
so one thing we know about sports, John is that
people are looking for new trends. It just takes somebody
to take the step. Obviously, we have seen the evolution
of the n b A going outside the three point line.
We've seen a diminished role for the big man. In fact,
the big man that are in this game still are

(01:34:22):
standing at the three point line as we see all
the time. So is this just an isolated situation or
is this going to be the new wave of the
n b A. It is going to be the new
wave of the n b A. And here's why. Because
the math is to appealing. Being from three is better

(01:34:44):
than being from two, like you, And why is that?
Because you get more possessions when you're for three, you
get rebounds. The idea growing up, the idea was box out,
box out, box out. Now it's bucks in. You want
to be behind the defender. You want the defender to
be as close as the rim as possible, because when
you're shooting a ball from ft or thirty ft or

(01:35:04):
hucking it up from whatever distance. The chances of it
just softly landing beneath the rim are virtually zero. It's
gonna kick out somewhere. So if you're able to box
in the defense, and you'll have and if you have
five players on the court who can all hit a
three point shot at you know, on any given possession,
that's better than stacking your team where three of your

(01:35:26):
players could never shoot it from three, they can only
play inside. The math just doesn't work. So this is
a trend that's gonna happen. And I was very blessed
to be at the Sloan Um, the Sloan Conference in Boston,
and I saw a giant white paper that was written
on the analytics of the three point three point shot,
and we did our own sports science breakdown on it.
It's the wave of the future, all right, But what
about the aesthetics of the game. I mean, look for

(01:35:48):
those of us old enough to really remember, let's say
Showtime Lakers and if you if you watch let's say
a matchup between the Lakers and Celtics in the eighties,
inside outside game, running up and down the court. Uh,
there there was a certain majesty to the game. It
was very appealing to watch the game. Then all of
a sudden, we digress in the late eighties early nineties,

(01:36:10):
a much more physical game which got lately spiraled out
of control. There was a lot of one on one
basketball and everything else. So I'm just gonna ask you,
I mean you, you watch these games and everything else.
Is that an appealing brand of basketball where you have
a perimeter game where guys are all standing outside the
three point line throwing up three point shots. The answer
is yes, because we've seen dunks. We've seen it, we

(01:36:35):
get it. And the guys who are playing down inside
are not players that the new generation of basketball players
can relate to all that much. Because how many guys
are seven ft tall, how many guys are six how
many guys look more like Steph Curry right then look
like shock Like we are in the era of social
media works. The images that I'm seeing, I want to

(01:36:57):
be like that and being able to hit, you know,
a thirty foot jumper is incredibly appealing. Uh, It's something
that young people want to desire because they may never
be able to play that inside game like we've seen
in the past. I do think I think it's it's
gonna be good for the game because it's just a
new brand a weapon of basketball. You know, we always

(01:37:18):
talk about recycling, that there's an evolution fashion all the time.
You know, something comes back into Voguet forty years later
and again, John you pointed us out to off air
with me about the role that the Harlem Globe Trotters.
This was understand Globe Trotters. I mean when my kids
were small, we we went to the Globe Trotters every year, okay,

(01:37:41):
and they were wildly entertained. I mean there was the
antics and everything else. But was always baffling to me
is why aren't these guys in the NBA Are you crazy?
Look at it? The guys throwing up We got a
curly kneel throwing up forty footers and never misses. I
mean crazy stuff like that. But again I kept back
to everything's about inner tam and if I'm the NBA

(01:38:01):
right now, though, I am concerned. Ratings are down. Ratings
are down because Steph is out, KD is out the
Dynasty team. I mean, think of how how wonderful it
was to watch the Golden State Warriors, who largely are
doing what the Rockets did right. The Golden State kind
of took that that center position and they had JaVale
McGee and they said, well can And the ratings for
the NBA Finals all four years, of course it was

(01:38:23):
Warriors versus Lebron four straight years, and those numbers were big.
Those numbers were very big. But you don't have that
right now because the guys that are really appealing. What
do you do with Zion Williamson. Zion Williamson is going
to be He's clearly going to be a force. I
would worry about his health only because he is that big,
that strong, that fast. In my f equals m A

(01:38:45):
forces massent acceleration emphasis that I put on sports analogies
saw you down for a second there, because this is
something I want to get into. So here's a nineteen
year old, a nineteen year old who's already two y
pounds on that frame. And I don't know about you.
I know about me when I was nineteen, and then
all of a sudden, you're twenty three. Your body has

(01:39:06):
made already a major change. You're putting on weight, you're
just filling out. I've seen it with my boys as well.
They just naturally fill out. If you're already to eighty
at nineteen, what are we looking at? I mean, he's
got to somehow bring his maintain his weight or bring
it down. It's just eighty two games in the regular season.

(01:39:27):
It's it's a it's a huge ask for your body
to endure that. He's gonna need to figure out how
do I stay lean and mean as opposed to bigger
because he just can't survive. It's too much of a
pounding up and down every every single night. So, yes,
is Zion willing? Does he have a bright future? Of course?

(01:39:48):
Is he a massive injury risk? Yeah? It's interesting how
you mentioned the evolution of the game. So based on
the game today, you know who are not fair as
well as Michael Jordan's. He was never a good three
point shooter. In fact, if you look at the numbers
one hear him he led the league in scoring, shot
eight team percent three pointers. Not his game. Different game now, right,

(01:40:11):
he Michael Jordan was is the consummate. I don't think
that we can say he if he were to play today,
he'd be an eighteen percent three three point um three
point shooter. I don't think that's the case because he
would adopt his games. Oh god, I gotta really focus
on this more, just like he did with his you know,
with his fade away and and um, you know, with
his defense. He always picked up something new. But the

(01:40:33):
dynamics of the game are different. In the math, there
are too many guys. There were only a few handful
of effective three point shooters when Jordan's playing. Reggie Miller
was effective, Um, you know, Steve Kerr. Obviously Ray Allen
was effective. Like these guys were good. But on every
NBA team now you've got three or four guys who
are Steve Kerr, you know, who can shoot like Ray Allen.

(01:40:56):
Like that's it's just different. Now. It's kind of like
the mobile quarterback that we're gonna see in the NFL.
You are going to see more Lamars and Patrick you know,
Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson. The position is now just different.
It just it evolves. And I I mean, I think
that's good because Steph Curry. Steph Curry really paved that
way for the Hey, I'm hucking it up from anywhere
and we can just get another possession off of it.

(01:41:17):
I don't I'm not where I think the ratings are down,
not because of the style of play, but because the
big marquee names and dynasties have sort of gone away
for this season. I always have fascinated about the evolution
of these sports, and you know, constantly changes all the time.
But I feel like the current sports landscape because of

(01:41:37):
the amount of money that's involved. I mean, we have
seen the importance of sports in general just rise significantly.
When you think about the NFL is the number one
programming on all four major networks CBS, NBC, ABCL, SLASH, ESPN,
and Fox number one on all for networks. This is

(01:42:01):
where the money lies. And you know, we got the
nfl p A coming up, and I want to get
into this whole thing with you because the NFL p
and the owners are trying to get to this collective
bargaining agreement. And what's interesting about this is they need
to reach an agreement before the television contracts are actually
up right, So you're trying to make an argument if

(01:42:22):
you're the owners, because here's what the networks are saying,
we want more product, more product, more good product. The
players are saying, look, you're already pushing us to the limit.
I want to get into that with you. We're in
the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's find out
what's trending right now is once again Isaac Lowing Kron.
We can never get enough of High Low, I think

(01:42:44):
Low and CROs thank you for the kind of introduction,
Steve and John. And we've got some interesting news just
coming down. The Minneapolis Star triviuing reports that prospect Bruce
Starr Grottol, who was a Minnesota Twin prospectful, was part
of the huge mega deal involving mookie Bets, the Dodgers,

(01:43:04):
the Twins and the Angels. The Twins are now pulling
out of the deal and have decided to keep Bruise
Dark Grottaol. Now, it's expected that the deal four mookie
Bets will still be completed one way or the other.
But originally the Twins were supposed to get Kntamata from
the Dodgers and Grottaol was supposed to go to the
Red Sox. But again the Minneapolis Star Tribune reporting that

(01:43:26):
the Twins are pulling out of their portion of you
know what's gonna happen here, So I knew this could
possibly happen. This is what's gonna have to happen. The
Dodgers are gonna have to say yes or no, They're
gonna have to pick up even a bigger share of
David Price's contract. Fine by me, I mean that's that's
gonna be the compromise. They're gonna say they were gonna
pick up half sixty million a year. Now the Red

(01:43:47):
Sox is gonna say, you want you want this deal done,
You're gonna have to pick up a lot more of
that contract. So that news just coming down from the
Minneapolis and Star Tribune. In college basketball, Bobby Knight returning
to Assembly Hall in Bloomington today for the first time
since Indiana fired him twenty years ago. He was in
attendance for a halftime ceremony honoring Indiana's nineteen eight Big

(01:44:08):
Ten championship team. The now seventy nine year old Nights
slowly walked onto the court with assistance from some of
his former players. He greeted and embraced members of the
nineteen eighty team on the court. He did not speak
on the microphone, but Stephen John get this. On his
way off the cord, he led the fans in an
impromptu chance, an impromptu chance of defense. Listen very closely

(01:44:41):
Unfortunately it did not work out too well because Perdue
is now leading Indiana fifty one to thirty eight with
thirteen minutes to go, and they're shooting from the field.
And finally, it's the debut game of the reboot of
the XFL with Seattle. The Seattle Dragon ends leading at
the DC Defenders at halftime by a score of thirteen

(01:45:05):
to nine. The game being played at Outie Field in
our Nationals capital. And the side of the day from
one fan in the house who draped a sign that
said sell the team Dan in reference to Washington NFL.
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of the only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
Have you been distracted at all, John with your d
C team? Now? Uh, they got their first half in
the books. Yeah, they closed out the half by converting
a fifty five yard field goal. That's NFL big boy
kicks right there. How about that? About that? How about

(01:46:10):
the how about d C? The XFL t you know
it might garner more interest in the Redskins. I mean
the bar is pretty low right now. You would never
believe that the Redskins could get to the point where
they are giving away tickets, giving away I mean they
had sellouts for what five years. I mean there used
to be this folklore about, Oh, the waiting list was
thousands of people and you need not even try because

(01:46:32):
you can't get season tickets. I mean you can get
season Take the XFL selling season tickets for sixty bucks.
Sixty something bucks for the l A Wildcats, right the
Redskins for their eight games, you could literally buy tickets
season tickets, no joke. You could go online and get
him for eight dollars total for the whole season. Oh,
we have the actual first three touchdowns and XFL history.

(01:46:55):
Let's tear tiling field goal touchdown as first touchdown. This
new XFL pulter back in our d yes cutter touchdown,

(01:47:23):
what's coming picked up in the little it's t willions
out of the backfield touchdown, SAT Dragons serious x M
XFL network. There we go right there with the calls
right there. So the first score in DC history block point,
block punt, but the first score in XFL history is

(01:47:44):
by Seattle who's being coached by Jim Zorne, former head
coach of the Redskins. It all runs through d C.
It's amazing how we started with this and we get
back to everything runs through DC. The entire sports world alright,
I want to get again the science side of things,
far as adding a game to the schedule. So what's
happening is the networks are saying, we want more product,

(01:48:06):
simple and because it's so profitable, so we want more product.
That message is now being delivered by the owners to
the players these but they're basically saying, look, more product
means more money for all of us. Okay, more money
for us, more money for you. But the NFL Players Association,

(01:48:30):
Russell o'coon, Richard Sherman, some of the leaders in the
NFL p A are saying no, no, no. So my
question to you is, is there any scientific evidence are
all that says that playing one additional regular season game

(01:48:52):
is detrimental to the health of the players, could shorten
their careers obviously than shortening the period of time their
earning power. How would you rule on adding one additional game.
I would rule in favor of it. And here's why
football is the ultimate team sport. And if you add

(01:49:13):
that extra game, all the arguments that you can never
ever make any kind of intelligent, quantifiable scientific argument that
this is going to shorten a player's career, because if
you're playing seventeen games and you know you have a
longer season, you're probably gonna You're probably gonna play the same,
if not less, because coaches now, no, well, you need

(01:49:35):
to play fewer, fewer play so my guys who may
not get on the field will have a chance to
get on the field. Because I need to be a better,
a more rounded team, because I can't be you know,
I can't only have my starters playing. I gotta make
sure my backup players are playing, and that they're that
they're finally tuned machine. I think it's gonna be. It
would be good for the game. I mean, obviously you

(01:49:56):
don't want to play thirty games, but seventeen games, I
think that can. Well, here's what do you do? You
have too bye weeks, So now you're really expanding the product.
Instead of seventeen games schedule sixteen games over seventeen week,
have now a nineteen week schedule, two more Thursday night games,
two more Sunday night games. And I think if I

(01:50:17):
were the players, there's a couple of things. Look, obviously,
what I never understood about the NFL. In baseball, you
play a certain amount of time, you have health in
terms for life. Same thing with the NBA. You know
what it is in the NFL five five years after
your last game, which doesn't make any sense. Looking if
there was what I'm looking for, is this okay? If
I'm the players, Um, if you're gonna ask us to

(01:50:42):
expand the schedule by a game, then you need to
expand the rosters as well, totally expanded. You have a
fifty three man roster expanded three or four more players
for the extra game. That's number one, creating more jobs. Secondly,
the second bye week is a must. And the other
thing is health insurance for life. I mean, when you

(01:51:02):
talk about the amount of revenue that Jared generated by
the NFL just on an annual basis, it's a drop
in the ocean. These are the things that the players
need to stand up for. The problem, John is is
if they really dig in deep on this sixteen game schedule,
we're looking at a lockout in that could have no

(01:51:24):
expiration date. And here's the deal with the lockout today
versus the lockout of years past? Right again, the lockout?
Who won the championship with the NFL the year that
by the way, seven guess what? The replacement games? Yeah,
and the Redskins. Anyway, it all runs through. That's when
I worked in the league, so I can tell you

(01:51:44):
it's all the stories about replacement players. It was unbelievable, unbelievable.
I had. I had one week to make up a
whole new media guide. It was crazy. It was crazy.
And do you remember, um there is there is a
player that made the transition from this gap team too.
There were number nwoyeah. It was awesome. And so anyway,
Redskins won one on Super Bowl that year. But what

(01:52:05):
would happen now with the lockout? If we are looking
down the barrel of a lockout, here's what we didn't
have um during the last lockout. Options. There are a
lot of options. And when you think no, people are
going to be loyal to the NFL, the NFL takes
the season off, that will hurt because there are a
lot of options now for entertainment and you look at

(01:52:28):
East the rise of e Sports. They may just play Madden.
The Madden Bowl might get, you know, as high ratings
of the Super Bowl, Like who who knows what's gonna happen.
I think a lockout would be so detrimental to the
league right now. They can't let that happen. Seventeen games
look your faces on TV. More, you generate more revenue,
you have a higher probability of success with a good team.

(01:52:48):
It doesn't make any sense to say no at this point.
And by the way, I'm sure you've done plenty of
science on safety in the NFL. The bottom line is
there is no helmet on the planet that is going
to protect your brain because your brain is in fluid
inside your skull. And if you hit something, your brain
will move, creating the possibility of a concussion. I always

(01:53:10):
like that, Well, this is the safety. How does that
have any effect? The original helmets and football were designed
to prevent skull fractures, right, That was why they actually
created the leather helmet or whatever to help prevent skull fractures.
But there is no helmet that's gonna have any effect
when it comes to concussion. The safest helmet is to
have no helmet. I mean that's that. That is the

(01:53:32):
total truth. So like rugby, like like rugby, doesn't it
It has its own concussion issue, but not nearly to
the extent that the NFL has done. And what what's
happened with advancement and equipment has made the game more dangerous.
It is making more dangerous. You just have to do
the math, everybody, just figure you can write this down.
The average NFL collision for a running back is about
two thousand pounds of force. So if my head absorbs

(01:53:54):
two thousand pounds of force, it is that above the
threshold that's needed to cause a concussion only by about tenfold, right,
Like yeah, so if you get a piece of equipment
that reduces that amount of force by let's say, first
of all, it's not reducing the force because the force
is the same. It might increase the amount of time

(01:54:17):
that the collision occurs. So if you hit a brick
wall or you hit a mattress, you are experiencing the
same amount of force, but it's being distributed over a
different amount of time. So these new helmets that are
being developed are not reducing the amount of force, they're
reducing the amount of time. So with that being said,
when your hid head hits the ground or you hit
it dead on with another player, that increase of the

(01:54:39):
deceleration phase is not going to help the concussion issue
because the numbers that we're starting with are too big.
So the only way to solve it is to take
the helmets off and allowed the sense of self preservation
to kick in so you don't smash heads together. All right.
John has done a lot of search research and in
the evolution the ongoing evolution of sports. But what about

(01:55:02):
a future in sports were everybody is on an equal
playing field? From the Geico Fox Sports Radio Studios a
peek into the future coming up next, don't listening to
Fox Sports. Steve Ireban and John Brinkus want to thank
the crew today. Iowa, Sam, like the science guy here today.

(01:55:27):
What do you say, Sam? Yeah, yeah, I don't know
what to make of all these numbers. I know there's
a lot of stuff we're throwing out there today. Severn
is back the pride of Ithaca. That's where he's from.
It's good, that's right. Yeah, you know what the guy
guys I mean, I mean, I know thousands of guys
from Ithaca. He is. He is the voice, face and

(01:55:48):
essence of Ithaca. There. It is right there, the future
of Ethica right there. Of course, Isaac Low and Crawn
in today I Low, Uh, you know, rare, rare occasion.
Usually he's here early, but he came into day and
then we events today? How about events hanging out today
producing the show? More DC sports talk that I couldnot

(01:56:09):
Was that an accident that you are producing the show today?
To d C guys here. I mean, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna give him any radio secrets, but you
never all right, so you sort of wheeled away in Hey, um,
a couple of things here. Uh, you threw something out
in your last segment there that as soon as you
said it, I'm like, I gotta jump on this alright.

(01:56:30):
So we were talking earlier about the the Houston Rockets
now going with this lineup of No. One over six
six instead of bigger, stronger, faster. Maybe there's a new
evolution to the game of basketball. We're seeing all sports
this way, you know about you know what, what is
the next step? But we're looking into the future. And
you've got young kids, and I have kids that have
been raised on e sports and I've heard this, but

(01:56:55):
I want to hear it from you. In our lifetime
or our kids lifetime. Are we going to see a
completely leveling of the field where the supreme athlete is
eventually phased out as far as sports are concerned. So

(01:57:15):
I don't think the actual athlete is going to be
phased out. I think the actual athlete is going to
be competing against avatars of the past. If you were
to right now say, okay, the NBA Final is probably
gonna be the Bucks against the Lakers. So let's just
say that's gonna be the final. And you were to
take the younger generation and you were to say, Okay,
there's gonna be an NBA two K matchup. We're gonna

(01:57:39):
do it down at uh Jerry's World, and we're gonna
have the team Michael Jordan's against Team Kobe Bryant, and
we're gonna have all the NBA best players and it's
gonna be a two K championship. This new generation, and
if it's being you know, spearheaded by the number one
Twitch streamers on the planet, I'm telling you my son

(01:58:03):
is going to be watching these year old son That's
all he plays is MBA and he is creating games
of the greats of the past with the present, remaking teams.
That's what he does. And which game is that is
that younger generation going to watch? And we when we
talk about younger generation, my son is almost fourteen. Ten

(01:58:24):
years from now, he's twenty four, he will have watched
more East sports events than events with real athletes. So
the value of the athlete of oh, my god, that
is athlete X is going to turn more into oh,
that's the avatar, and that's this is the person controlling
the avatar. We as as the you know, slightly older generation,

(01:58:44):
are having a hard time recognizing that is the wave
of the future. Well, you wrote a book on basically
pushing the limits of what the human being is capable
of from a sports standpoint. Uh, And because of that,
are there limitations? Because when we talk about e sports,
there are no limitations, no limitations. You can change the

(01:59:07):
algorithm at any time, you can make the game more exciting,
you can play on the moon, you can play with
players for your past, present, future like it doesn't matter.
So yeah, there are no limits in that capacity. Are
there human limits? For sure? You are we ever going
to reach them? No, because it's a limit, so we're
never gonna reach it. We're gonna run aspect totic to
it on on a on a graph, and we're net

(01:59:28):
we're gonna An example, when you say like how fast
a human can run or something that you I mean
like let's say the hundred meter dash, is there a
limit on how fast it can be run by human being? Absolutely,
if you look at um all conditions being perfect. So
the name of the book that is called the perfection point,
and it's literally analyzing the limit that we can achieve

(01:59:52):
how how fast we can run, how high we can jump,
how much weight we can lift, how far we can
hit a ball. So, in terms of the hunter meter dash,
if you were to take ideal elevation, track, surface equipment,
legal wind start, you know, body type everything. The limit
is eight point nine nine. That is the limit. And

(02:00:12):
when you say, well, if it's eight point nine nine,
certainly it could be eight or nine eight. No, couldn't.
Because if you just take stride length, stride frequency, everything,
there there is an ultimate limit to how fast the
human as we understand humans to be that that would
be the limit. Now the human species, maybe we evolve

(02:00:33):
in some way that's not foreseeable and that number goes
out the window, but as currently constructed, that's the limit. Well,
just explaining that you same Bolt, everyone just deemed too tall, right,
that it would take so long to just get out
of the blocks. He's at a disadvantage of course, once
he starts striding right, the longer strides and he's gobbling

(02:00:54):
up real estate at a much faster rate. So, and
if you look at the scattergraph of the world record
times of the hundred meter dash, Bolt actually falls exactly
where we should Because we went into a little bit
of a dark period post Ben Johnson, there was that
we were not sitting world records every year. Now we
are and now we're back on track, all right, So
what we have learned from you today is is that

(02:01:16):
as far as performance enhancing drugs are concerned, you, as
a sports fans, say, I'm not endorsing it, but I'm
not condemning it. Correct It's not white and black, it's gray,
and we should just be open and honest about it
and make sure that people are doing stuff that's safe.
If I can do it, an a lead athlete should
be able to do it. So if you were put
in charge of developing performance enhancing drugs that we're safer

(02:01:39):
athletes to increase their performance, you'd be all behind it.
I'd be all behind it. Now would disclose it to
the audience so they don't feel like they're being tricked.
I would say, just like it's plastic surgery. Here stuff today, John,
thanks so much man. This is the best

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