FOX Sports Sunday with Mike Harmon and Kelvin Washington: 02/09/2020

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(00:43):
this morning. What's going on? It's good to see you,
get to catch up with you and uh you and
your lovely girls and everything else you have. So it's
it's been a while, but what about six two months
to a year? You know what it's tough. I mean
the passage of time. Man, You're you're learning this right,
you got yours are much smaller than and at home.
Uh so you're learning how the calendar really accelerates when

(01:05):
you've got a bunch of schedules dotted out for your kids. Yeah,
so once that's something great. They said, Uh, the days
are long and the weeks are long, but the years
are fast. I think that was perfect because in the
in the middle of it, a lot going on the days,
this is the longest day, this is gonna end, But
then you look up in the year goes by. What
the heck just happened? Well, but literally, you know, my

(01:25):
older one is freshman in high school, and it just
seemed like day one of nervousness of now you're with
the big kids, right, Like it's one thing middle school.
Everybody's still kind of the same. But the difference between
fourteen and eighteen, that's great. Googly movel. I'm watching you
walking around the campus and I'm like, are you a
teacher or you not? Man, It's it's tough. But like

(01:48):
with the kids doing their thing, you know, your every
day there's stuff dotted on the calendar. Yesterday was a
lot of running around, a lot of gratifying stuff, watching
the kids, you know, excel and do what they love,
because that's where we're at at the point. It's not
I'm forcing you into something because you need to be
active and not be playing video games or playing around

(02:09):
on TikTok. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but
you can get sucked down that wormhole, that rabbit hole,
whatever you want to call it, really really fast. So
it's to see them active and out there doing what
they love. I wanted to set up a barbecue. I
was in the Coachella Value. Right, you got all the
signs of what's coming. You got Coachella, You've got stage Coach,
you got all these big events, and I'm like, should

(02:29):
I just start grilling something, figuring that I'm gonna get
a massive people that are just gonna be early. Like
I was, respect the hustle in you. I respect that
they didn't sell some plates for ten dollars. Just I mean,
you know, that's just how I look. Well by next year,
I think that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna just
have my custom artwork and I'll say, you know, three
people find me entertaining in this world, and somebody to

(02:52):
walk up on the stage and just own it. In
the in the Coachella Value, if you walked up on
the stage or in a restaurant or and something active
as if you were supposed to be there and you
were some artists, they would believe you because for the
next like you mentioned next to three months, there's always
something going on, and you're like and your established guy,
You've got red frames, usually have your hat on, doors,

(03:14):
in the in the car delivered yesterday. Way do you
see this? This is what I'm talking about. You walk
on there and you have some semblance of of you know,
like a you look like a performer. They'll rock with you.
Started to page, get a SoundCloud page going, you'd be
good to go. And I could sing a little bit too,
So I mean, we can really do this up. And

(03:35):
I love the hubble brain. I love the humble brain.
Like we don't. We don't get anywhere in this business
by saying no, I'm no good. You gotta have a
little bit of an ego. I mean, deserve it. You
gotta have a little bit of something. I was around
somebody the uh last week. Who is you know a
heavyweight in this industry? Man? Does he just ooze what

(03:57):
you do? I mean, he is full on, he's walking
is you know you ain't got nothing on me? You
know who I am? Those a matter of fact, don't
even say hello to me. And I was just laughing
to myself, welcome, yeah, welcome in. We got we we
got a few though. Manbody want to see me? That
was just I was laughing really hard when I was
around that person, like wow, like we're just in the
media room. We're just you know, we're not having some

(04:19):
popcorn and frozen yogurt, watching the watching the game first,
walking around and somebody want to see me? It was
those levels real fast. We look, man, We've had instructions
of people walking around the halls around here where don't
make eye contact. Come on, don't do Vincent like that? Well,
I mean he's kind of a big He came in
and it just handed me my stuff. I was wearing

(04:41):
the sunglasses. He was one of those big wrap around glasses.
Like don't don't look at me. No, no, don't do
you like that, Vinnie. You're still good with me, baby? Alright, Well,
the rules are there for a reason. If you look
at me in the eye, there might be trouble. I
don't know. I don't know you guys do I start singing,
turned to stone, get a little l o in while
we get things going here on a Sunday morning said,

(05:01):
forget what day it is when you get that's listen,
it's it's Monday, somewhere almost almost almost not quiet, but
we're but we're getting there. Uh, Calvin Washington in with
me on my Carmen Welcome in. It's the Geico Fox
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com get yourself a free rate quote. Well, yesterday and

(05:22):
today we celebrate the return like football was gone for
five days. We missed it. Uh. The XFL returns some
familiar names from the collegiate level, right, a guy like
Cardale Jones, Cardale Jones trying to get his way back
to the NFL. Some big plays. But you know, it's
always about the tweaks, right because as a product, you're
wondering how what it grows into, what is the longevity

(05:44):
of this and and you know, is it going to
have a nice long life cycle. I would like to
think based on the economics of it in terms of
what's invested this time versus let's roll the dice and
kind of come at it fast versus McMahon's money. The Fox, ABC,
ESPN involvement, including some big time broadcasters right yesterday, Kurt

(06:09):
Menefe of you know, Fox NFL Sunday Fame. He's doing
a lot of good things and growing his brand, which
is fantastic. One of the nicest guys in the game.
And you've got Joel Klatt sitting there next to him,
at Joel cladd another guy you want you want an opinion,
he's not short of him and he's a rising star
in the broadcasting world covering everything for US college football.

(06:31):
Last week, he hosted the round table during Super Bowl
Sunday with Breeze and Montana I mean and and Brett Farve.
I mean that you want to go back and get
some quality listening, go grab some of that those conversations
that were being had between those three heavyweights. But I
mean there's weight behind it this time, right then last
time it was we're on an island, We're gonna do

(06:53):
things differently. Twenty years of lessons and growth of the
w w E into what it's become on a all
other scale, and I think you've got some legs to this.
It's just getting through the initial process of people saying, hey,
there's some pretty good football we employed you know they
didn't do this time, at least at least it seems.
And I've had some sub semblance of a relationship with

(07:15):
the Wildcats here in l A. Uh, just simply that
working in the media, they always send in emails. They
know they'll call you, Hey, we're gonna do this. Availability
had had that one of their quarterbacks he actually wasn't
the starter uh this week, but he uh, he came
in on my show, you know, with the spectrum here
in l A. And so, uh, My point is, it

(07:36):
doesn't feel like they're they went super gimmicky, like they said,
we're gonna have some tweaks, right, we're gonna do a
little bit this we'll get and they have gimmicks as
far as the amount of points you can score on
one particular drive. But I mean they didn't have like
the wild cheerleader is gonna be Yeah, we're gonna be
overly sexualized. And I know it's you, you're mainly positioning
yourself for guys. I get that. But they didn't do that,

(07:57):
and they didn't over exaggerate kind of the w we're
gonna we're gonna lay guys out. Remember the last time,
it was like they emphasize the kickoffs and guys are
gonna get hurt. And yeah, they kind of just said, look,
we know you love football, we know you can't get
enough of it, and we know there's this a lot
more than any other sport. There's this long period without it. Yes,
we give you drafts, and we give you, um, you know,

(08:17):
Pro Bowls, and we give you all these other little
free agency, but actual games, we're gonna be trying to
be filling filling in that gap for you. And I
think that's what they sold more than just the gimmicks
and the wildness of it all. And so it made
people go, let me check it out, let me just see.
And if you watched the games were do you remember
that first week, first week of the XFL, the first

(08:39):
time the actual game, the actual game spectacle was next level.
And here they kept some of those elements and what
folks don't maybe remember of the XFL as it gave
us the overhead camera, like there was something back in
the day that gave us some of what we now

(08:59):
take for granted in National Football League broadcasts or other
sports coverage. And so look at anytime someone comes in
right there trying to change the game a bit and
maybe they make you look at things a little way,
a little differently. And while they might not make you
nervous from a competitive stand because let's face it, they're
not rivaling the NFL, but if there's something that can

(09:21):
be easily lifted, and this is where the integration of
those broadcast partners, the heavyweights that have the contracts with
the league, where that comes in. And we'll talk about
the C B A and and what it means. Because
you got you got wolves at the door, and we
have to recognize that it's a very real thing that
the NFL is facing, as big a behemoth as it is,

(09:44):
that the standard way that we've watched football, we've already
seen it change some and there's others that would love
to just jettison the old the old standby, but technology
and just the gameplay right, the whole thing. This time
it was about being faster, right, there's not a lot
of lulls the play clock and the way the way

(10:06):
you go about running an offense. Let's let's open things
up and let's take what we've seen from the NFL
and the evolution of the passing game, but also let's
let's push this forward a little bit. Yeah, And I
think one of the things, like when a new league
comes about, in this case, an iteration of it. It
doesn't have to be that's not like you mentioned, doesn't
have to be competition, Like we're not trying to take

(10:28):
over the NFL. So my wife and I, you know,
we started, uh, we had we opened a store here
a few years back in l a And it was
a it's an active wear line, so we still we
still own it, but we had a brick and mortar store.
And one of the things you when you're doing all
your research and going about business loans and this, that
and the other, you realize, of course, you don't have

(10:49):
to be, in this case bigger than Lululemon, who makes
billions with the bat. You don't have to be that.
You just want, right, you want just one because that
one percent for you. And remember, as much as we
love sports, we get all serious about it already, fight
at bars and fight at games. The fact of the
matter is it's just entertainment and it's a business for somebody.
Right at the end of the day, they're looking at

(11:09):
the dollars and cents, and you can get in there
and get some dollars and cents if you get one percent,
two percent, five percent and and be and thrive. So
it's not as if you have to always overthrow the
bigger thing in the NFL. In this case, you just
want to be able to make your money, makeup mark
and and and grow a bit. That's it. That's what
you know you can be able to do. And you know,
you look ten twenty years down the road if this

(11:31):
were to last, and then you can say, oh, wow,
we really made a dent because think about football, American
foot and some in the NFL that wasn't bigger than baseball,
wasn't bigger than boxing in America. You could argue for
a while, I wasn't bigger than horse race if you're
you know, and then finally eventually it became what it is.
So you just put in the work, put it out
a good quality product, and then you never know. Not again,

(11:53):
I don't think it's gonna open the NFL, but I'm saying,
you don't know how big it can get. It's a
giant pie. You're just trying to get your little slice
facts that still has a bunch of commas and zeros
associated a couple of things wanted to highlight here if
you miss some of the sound from the XFL because
this is where and I think it gets fun uh
in a little little bit, right, we had the the
d C Defenders getting after it against the Seattle Dragons.

(12:18):
Seattle Dragons with a pretty cool logo, but we saw
defense multiple times D six D the A you like that?

(12:39):
Another pick six? Anytime you can say another pick six
and it's not Jamis Winston because he might he might
have been sweating that one out as the return was
going on, right, So I mean you got uh serious
on the call. I mean that's that's a little ABC
action as you go. And then you've got the interviews
after big plays, which is also pretty cool, right to

(13:01):
get the guy in the sideline. We got some guys
cursing uh and having a bit a bit of fun.
Card back to it's co DC the Fenders what t lead.

(13:25):
What was kind of cool though, is uh, you know
we were talking about razzle dazzle and at Cardel Johnson,
Well there you have it and literally that had just
been replayed on the monitors here and the guy Fox
Sports Radio studios and the last thing is, you know
we're getting play calling and we always love the naming
convention that you have. Right in college football, You've got
the giant board with pictures of different people still waiting Northwestern.

(13:47):
Where's my mug at one of the You see the
shirt I have on the HOODI you have on right now?
The day Eastern Michigan throws your boys face up, it's
a rap. I'm done. I'm retiring. You're just walking and
walking up. Look at me. I'm a car Jim's orn
and uh, the legendary all right, I used the word legend,
but he is if you were playing strata matic football
and doing other things when he was at his peak. Uh,

(14:09):
you got a glimpse into his play calling levin personnel,
get get John in there. Then okay, good, let's go
double right, f right, one Ace Dodger, alright, one Ace Dodger,
like all those little fun things. And we always call
call out the audibles at the line, right, the omahas,

(14:31):
mahas or whatever funny things to dive in. Nice, you're
gonna go into full cadence early this morning. But I
think that's a nice little glimpse into how and we
we talked to guys that have played in the league
right here at Fox Sports tradeo over its spectrum wherever
we we've worked and we get the the opportunity, it's like,
how much of that is nonsense? Like almost all of it.

(14:55):
It's like one thing you know that they're like, okay,
that means that all of that theatric just to say
go left this time, it's like pretty much, oh my god,
we're just going left that We're just going left really
straight out of wedding crashers. Oh Man, hot route, hot
route class. I don't know what that means. Classic scene,
love that scene, getting laid out, good times all around.

(15:17):
Happy to be with you here Fox Sports Sunday and
was called the Football. So we're talking a week or
two after the actual NFL stops. You's kind of like
writing checks after a New Year's You gotta you got
a week or two where you could just say, look,
I wrote it, predicted this cost a year ago. It's
all right, maybe even a month. All right. He's Calvin

(15:38):
Washington on My Carmen. Thanks for hanging out with us
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Live is where you find Calvin, you find me over
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(16:06):
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All the highlights and all the the fun stuff coming
through them and the music that you hear bumping uh kelvin.
Yesterday there was the I think a little bit of
closure for a lot of people. Some maybe some wounds
reopened as well. But Bobby Night for the first time
in twenty years since his I don't even know how
to best ternament dismissal. We'll we'll just leave it at

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that right there. There's a lot behind it, and we
all know the particulars. For those that that don't recall,
I mean the chair throwing incidents, the Neil Read incident,
the disparaging of reporters and female reporters, and some analogies
that really um leave you wanting their their worst dialogue

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than almost anything you'd see coming out of a bad
Hollywood production at times. Right, here's the vile character that
we want to set up, and some of the stuff
Bob Knight would say could be injected there. Right. It's
also a different time where coaches, I mean, old school
is the probably a bad way to term it, but

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coaches ran things hard. It wasn't a here's definitive time
limits on what you can do and the drills you
can run or how you can address kids. Like like
the way he talked to players at practices or even
on court. Some of the video that you see would
wouldn't pass right. People would be complaining the chance of

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Look at the way he talked to my son, Alright,
sometimes kids need some tough love. And I don't don't
know to say that. You know, it got a little
gray and sometimes passed the line, But you know, I
watched things with my my kids playing sports or whatever.
Sometimes you need to get yelled at, right, either in
the house or by a coach. But for Bob Night,
his players, Isaiah Thomas among them, from all those championship teams,

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they finally got him back in the building as they
played produced Gene Katie was also there, So I mean,
he got all this big ten history, but a little
bit of closure and I think good that it's done,
which would have been the alternative. Right, he's been sick
and you talk about, you know, doing all this stuff posthumously.
It's good that you have that moment while he's still

(18:33):
with us. They say that time hills all wounds, and
for the most part, I believe that. I think there
are some wounds. Maybe people said, don't enough time and
you know, but I think in this case, I think
what happens when you have some time away, uh is
for both parties to be able to reflect. And I
guarantee if you sat down with him, yes, he's probably
one of the more prideful men to walk the earth.

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But I bet you he would say I probably could
have went about this different and that differently. And I
wish I'd had that chance back because I would have
done done that differently. And I think also the for
the Indiana you know, alum and the fan base to
kind of say, yeah, it probably was time for him
to go, you know, and what he was doing was wrong,
the way he was treating his players, and it was

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and we were progressing into a different era. But man,
what he did to put us on the map. You
know what what he did to change the lives. Thinking
about his players, some of them probably like, man, you know,
he got me Thomas. He got me from you know,
the streets of Chicago and gave me a chance at
a at a dominant university. And I'm sure he taught
fatherly lessons. You see how much they revere him. I
was just reading how former player as well as former

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NBA coach for years, and Mike Woodson was saying, you know,
I speaking as if from him. He said, I came
back to Indiana for the last month just to be
around him. And he said, we got him back. He
was hanging in Montana, he was in Texas. We finally
got him back here where he belongs. Uh, And we
were able to spend some time with him and do
a bunch of dinners, and we were excited to see
him back. And so I just think a time and

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separation for both parties again, he and the school and
the fan base, so just to realize what they meant
to each other. Uh. And you know what it reminds
me of I was watching the Michael Vick documentary. And
had you told people Michael Vick would come back to
Atlanta and to be loved and revered back in this case,
it was seventeen, you know, I would have been exactly

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a decade after all the stuff happened. Uh you say, yeah, right,
you know, And I'm sure there's still people like who
hate them. Um, but he needed that. It meant so
much to him. I think Atlanta needed that. And so
I just think when you get that time away, you
can reconcile. Then you can reflect on what each other,
you know, to forgetting the fan base and what Bob
NIGHTMN And it was good to see, especially at his

(20:42):
old age. And I think Kobe's passing kind of reminded us. Look,
you don't know when you're gonna go, and if you've
got something to say good or bad or I need
to Hey, Mike, forgive me for that thing. Man. We've
been holding on it's not for riends for twenty five years.
I think the last week is really giving us kind
of a different perspective on things. Yeah, I mean, how
abrupt it ends. I mean, and and you know, coming
out of that, and we did a lot of a

(21:02):
lot of coverage of that Super Bowl week and then
it certainly was a much different super Bowl week than
we've had recent memory, and Jason and I were doing
our show, Jason Smith and I four hours a night.
We were here in l At. We didn't make the
sojourn to Miami, so we were feeling it. And I
used the term at one point it's like trying to
help your friend who just had a loss. Multiply that

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by a couple of millions, is what we were dealing
with here in terms of the shadow and and an
imperfect man. Right, I mean, we we all recognize it.
There's time, place, and I think just a human approach
to that that's been lost. And that's why a Gayle
King gets pushed back, not for the initial question but
for the follow ups. And I think some of these

(21:47):
other things, like you can come at it, but just
remember there's you know, let's let's still be human about
all this. You've got nine lives that were lost. That
doesn't mean that you have to put it in a box. Likewise,
Bob Dight, nobody's whitewashing and and and pushing away any
of the imperfections. And in some ways that's it's a

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great reminder in this climate. And I don't get political,
but how people pick their sides. And you had your
Bobby Night loyalists, and you had those that wanted him out.
But the success of the program and the carte blanche
is what creates, for lack of a better term, the
monster that some perceived him to be. And we've seen

(22:30):
this run them uck in so many different ways, right, uh,
D'Antonio out in at Michigan State. We know about all
the litany of horrors going on there, go back to
Penn State, lionized, Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, et cetera. And
I'm not doing this to you know, just start throwing
shade of guys, just kind of showing that when you're
given a lot of power and access that that it's

(22:54):
going to mutate because now they get to call the
shots fully and in their world it worked. And when
you go from a right coaching perspective, he didn't have
a lot of Isaiah Thomas's running around on those teams. Right,
He wins three titles, wins nine games. How many of
those guys were NBA players. Don't disrespect Steve Off for
like that. Ever, Again, look, he had a good run
at Iowa. No, but but but it's true though, right,

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I mean, he like he was a guy that probably
would have played a lot better in today's NBA. Oh man,
you know what I mean. And you can just spot
up and just let him shoot. It would have been
fine watching something inside the NBA and Kenney Smith's kind
of under his breath you could tell he was one
of those He truly meant it acts She's like, man,
I played in this era, but that's just in a

(23:42):
game and it's okay, Like you guys are just like
you gotta be kidding me, and you could play Look
at the Rockets. That's what it think was after that
game in the Rocket when they shot sixty and then
and then the fact that they're putting out the tall
ast guy in the line. It was like six seven
we got James Harden doing the jump that that it's
a fun experiment and it's I think a last ditch effort,

(24:05):
and we can get into that as the show goes on.
It's the alright, has your time run out and now
you've got one last thing in your bag of tricks
to see if you can do something, even if it's wrong.
But for just to put the cap on on the
Bob Night conversation. You know, three time Coach of the Year,
all of this success. He ends his career at Texas
Tech with his eight years that he was there. Um

(24:28):
as a coach, there were a few just one. Hell,
he's frail and they're helping him up and around, you know,
to wave and he's still yelling at the current team
play defense. That Yeah, part of a part of that
is just who he is. And you look at all
the guys who came under him. If you correct me
if I'm wrong, don't you have Uh? Isn't that where
we get coach k He's part of it, part of

(24:49):
the Army Army world, the West Point Army world and
all that, uh, Gregg Popovitch, they're all kind of that
same ilk um. But going back to some of the
things you were saying, what you know, when we give
this person car blanche, especially in maybe in college sports
more than anything, um, because they are the biggest and
highest paid state officials, I mean literally like they're the

(25:11):
bigger they continue this. I like this, But well, let's
get over to Ilo saying something's trending. You got you
got something going uh And we've got things trending. Why
because we got action on the pitch. Uh. We'll get
back into this conversation college coaches, pro coaches and their
power within their respective areas. To put it in a

(25:33):
nice nebulous term, but first, his eyes a glow and grown,
he's got what's trending. Good morning Michael, Good morning Calvin.
And In college basketball Saturday night, the legacy of fantastic
finishes in the Duke North Carolina rivalry added another chapter
in Chapel Hill. They were tied in the final seconds
of overtime. Here's David Shuemate on the Blue Devil Sports Network,
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I know pineapples and pizza. I'm not that guy. I'm
not that guy. It's all good. Pizza is open. Well,

(27:35):
when you look at the Sunday morning, there's there's other
comparisons of even if it's bad, it's good. And wherever
you are, you're you're thinking with me, and you went,
all right, all right, all right, like you're a McConaughey.
But that's true. I'll give you that pizza is pizza.
But if we're talking preference, that's like low on the pole.
I mean we're talking you know, if ont a ten

(27:55):
ten pairings, ten different types, that's like eight nine ten
for me nine, But you don't. One of my places
and down the street over here from Chicago, Gino has
just opened about three miles from here in our southern
California world, currently in a soft launch, but we're gonna
have a pizza party here at some point, uh, courtesy
of me, because everybody has to have. And I gotta

(28:17):
evangelize from my guys that are taking a shot out here.
The real deal has come. That's well. I went when
one of the first days they were open. I had
a guy in the corner he had a little tears
in his eye. I had people next to me that
it's like it's a new restaurant in the neighborhood. They
ordered spaghetti and meatballs. Now I'm sure it was a
fabulous spaghetti and meatballs. I looked at them, I said,

(28:38):
what are you doing that? You came here? What are
you doing? And I ended up slicing up a couple
of slices of my pie just say come on, it's like,
you know, you gotta get a spread for it. And
the people in the kids are like, what are you doing.
I go, no, I'll come back for the goodness. But
these people need to realize why they walked in this door.
Spaghetti and meatballs. I can mix getting your meatballs. I

(29:01):
got a good meat ball recipe. You do that myself.
You're a one. You're a real one. As the kids say,
for that, because I was just thinking, that's when you
got to do do a boss and say here you go
give him say I got you. Yeah, cut off a
couple of slices and again my guy was having his
religious moment in the corner. I was really proud of him.
Like it was. It was cool because it was clear
he hadn't been home in a while, so like he

(29:22):
was having that moment. It was great and talking about,
you know, coming out of and continuing the Bobby Night conversation.
It is one of those things you get wistful, right,
It's it's little things like that take you back to
your childhood, you know, different events that you went to
or trips home. Now as an adults different, right, you're
bringing your kids, showing them your old haunts and whatever else,

(29:43):
you know, and we're talking like I don't have that cloud.
And you know, Isaac called us heavy weights. I'm trying
to get to a middle weight because we were talking
about getting your shot before. I think if the kid
lost a couple of pounds, maybe maybe the TV people
wouldn't keep the doors barred. But we'll see, I'm not
doing that. But that's We're gonna make that happen. But
actually the road road to Lean, uh we Will Blackman

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and I were calling it the ravine to Lean. So
perhaps twice as long a workout after one of those
slices of deep dish pizza that I definitely don't think.
I'm not joining you either. I mean, I shoot, I
was driving in thinking about something. It's gonna get my
life together. No, that's just it. You know, I'm working
on some more content. I got a nice camera that's
showing up because we got somebody. Yeah, we know, well

(30:28):
we'll talk. We got some things. But you were mentioning
before we went to Ilo, and they had to put
a pin in it. Just trying to keep the conversation
flowing and fresh, Bobby Knight, and where you're at in
terms of state officials too, right, So there's another power, uh,
and responsibility and kind of an overlord field that comes
into it. Yeah, I think, I think, I hope let

(30:48):
me say that. And we all know that life is cyclical,
so at some point it was going to revert back
to it. But I hope that we've come to a
place where, um, and and this is one of the
things where you actually can say thanks to social media
because if there's things that are going incorrectly or wrong.
For instance, you mentioned Penn State, I don't think those
things can last as long because someone literally Joe Blow,

(31:12):
you know, Sally Smith, has the power to say, hey,
I saw this or heard this, this didn't feel right.
Here's what I'm referring to and put it out there
on social media and whoa, whoa, I didn't look or
sound right. What's going over there in the Penn State,
and and then things can pick up Allah, Black Lives Matter,
Allied me too, moving you know, any pick up movement
that can get some uh, you know, some some cloud

(31:32):
out there in that world. So I said that to say,
I don't know if a Bobby Knight type of tyrant
could work anymore, because someone's gonna be in a practice,
right and they're gonna film it, and then they're gonna say,
you know, exclusive, Bobby Knight strangles kid, grabs kid by Jersey,
smacks a kidd in practice, and and it'll get out there.
So I don't I do think there's an element of

(31:53):
gone on those days. I was just on with E
from Salon last weekend. We were talking about he was
given the Super Bowl, so they obviously and I said,
you played in a super Bowl? What was it like?
And he would said, oh, man, we were in uh
they were in Miami two And he was like, we
were here, we were doing this, and we were man,
we came back at four or five in the morning.
We were doing and I said, dude, could you imagine
if cell phones were more prevalent? Obviously they existed, but

(32:15):
camera phones did not. And he was like, dude, I
wouldn't you know, I would We wouldn't been able to
do anything where we would all be in trouble. To
put it bluntly, I mean, I've had a chance of
being at Link's house. He's moved since, but it's been
a few years back in Arizona. But he talked about
how guys don't really go out, you can't anymore. Like

(32:36):
we went to a restaurant and well, he's a lineman, right,
I mean, no, he's a Hall of Fame college lineman.
You could argue that he should get some some push.
You can make that towards Canton as well. Right, he
had a great career, but generally lineman kind of get
left alone. Right. But the media guy, so you expect
a little bit. But in talking to him and other

(32:58):
players who've been through these studio os or that you've
met at different events, a lot more guys building home theaters,
working their connections to make sure screeners get to them, right,
so they get on those lists their agents so they
don't have to go, and so they cater parties at
their houses like and and someone else picks up the tab.
It becomes the credit card roulette. But the idea of

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all right at your return, figure out what the menu
is whatever and that. And that's a sad state that
we've hit, right, is that you legitimately can't just say, hey,
I want to go to the mall, you know, go
go get my my pretzel or my my sinnamon or
a prime for them. I feel bad to a point, right,

(33:41):
I mean the price of fame. And look we had
it in in the coverage post Kobe, right, like all
the bad that came with that just bad reporting, bad,
but but also just the idea of you're you're always
being chased. Right tonight, we'll have the oscars that will
celebrate here in Los Angeles. And if you're gone anywhere

(34:02):
near Hollywood, and I know you have h it's a
mess because there's stanchions and posts and podiums all over
the place. Uh. And and it's beautiful the pageant train
and it will look bill photograph beautifully as long as
the rain holds off here in southern California tonight. But
a lot of those folks that again can't go out
to eat. And granted, if you're be your c list,

(34:23):
your publicists telling people where you're eating, shows up to
come and talk to you, but if you're an a
list or legitimately, how I want to go to the
corner bar. Now I can't go to the corner bar.
Price of fame, I think maybe you pay a little
more of them than you should watch spend this. After
all that being said, who is the biggest person you've
ever run into a living out here on accident? Not

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like a not a you know big van fox e
van where we know they're gonna people. I'm talking you
just walk into a bag of shop there. Well that's
a good question. If you don't get out much anymore, second,
you can think about it all right, how about you? Uh? Okay?
Did I did I my rule? One time? When I
first moved here, I was trying to do a little
bit of everything. I was like, somebody gets your boy
a job. You know how to go. Man, everybody's a waiter, waitress, bartender, singing,

(35:14):
showing up up exactly. And I was showing up doing
commercial auditions. So I had to. I had a callback
once and generally, if you've ever done it or heard anybody,
I would make a quick You walk in and there's
some random person on the camera, they say, do whatever
you eat to eat the burger or eat, drink the
soda whatever. But the callback is usually the agency, the
advertising agencies now there and maybe someone from the company

(35:35):
for whatever this commercials for. So I walk in once,
all right, this should be people, a bunch of people,
you know, seven eight people I don't know. And the
director is Jerry Seinfeld, no kid. So I walked on, Hey,
and I've saying this Mike. I go, hey, guys, coming
on Jerry Sidefield and I wait what And the Jerry
Sidefeld is going on? He just kind of laughs and

(35:56):
like because it was so unexpected, it will last one one.
I'm walking out of this this event and it's generally
like mainly an urban crowd and like middle ag you know,
bunch of hip urban kids. And Mel Gibson's there when
I tell you there was a strange Google some of

(36:19):
the mel Gibson world. Yeah, and I'm just like, what
is going He just walks by kind of like taps
me up. That was and all that was like the
first year and a half or so living in I
was like, this is a weird town. Oh no, it's
it's it's definitely weird. I've had more the B and C.
I've got a good one for you at l a
x uh coming up in in just a minute, as
well as this coming week, we'll have the NBA All

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Star Game festivities in Chicago. On Friday, we commemorated an
event that took place there thirty three years ago. We'll
see if that's the biggest moment in the game's uh
illustrious history. Uh and some of our other favorites coming
up next tier on Fox Sports Radio. Don't listening sports Granted,

(37:03):
Welcome back in. It's Fox Sports Sunday. I'm Mike Carmen
alongside me Calvin watching Washington, having some fun with you, uh,
traversing the sporting universe. We got a lot going on.
We got some live soccer, we got some million dollar
hole in one for charity event that was going on
at the Pebble Beach program. Yeah, I know, you know
the results. Well I don't. I was running around and

(37:24):
I'm watching Matt Ryan Hey hit an open receiver where
he played golf away. By the way, is that too hateful?
Was that Sunday morning? I was just gonna say it
was a little Sunday. You know, it was Saturday. Alright, Cool,
it's Sunday. You know what is it. Yeah, I have
to repent a little. Now. I'm looking at Matt Ryan
differently too, because of again, I watched that Michael Vick

(37:45):
documentary and uh he brought that up, Michael big when
when he was in prison and he watchs the draft
and they drafted Matt Ryan. He knew like it's a
rap for me in Atlanta because he kept thinking, they're
gonna ride with me when I get out. I got
a chance. Isn't usually a deal with break History will
now tell us that. But you know, I like, look,

(38:08):
I like the bravado of I was the guy. I
was the video game guy. I mean, you keep it
going that, Hey he's rebounded nicely. I've got a nice career.
He got another hundred million dollar contract, Like he defied
the odds in a million ways, you know. And and

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when you're talking about a guy that, let's face it,
and he's in that documentary, and I know I've heard
him saying a million times he didn't work as hard
as he should have. Right, man, you talk about those
those gifts and those talents trying to cultivate him and
the arguments we have about Ben Simmons and a bunch
of athletes now of are you maximizing what you can

(38:50):
be based on those physical aptitudes and to make it
full circle. That's what we appreciated about Kobe Bryant was
that at a certain point he's top five player in
the league, right, and you're he could he could settle
for that, but he was like, no, I'm still working hard. No,
I'm still going down to ask a chimla Juan, Hey,
what are some moves I can add to the repertoire,
you know? And and calling James worthy in in year seventeen, know,

(39:13):
whing the body is starting to break. Hey, I need
to work on the blockboard, right, all of those things
and love him hate him and obviously you know we
talked about Eagle Colorado and part of that legacy on
the court. You know, it's it's one of those guys
growing up as a kid in the Jordan world and
coming up. In about five minutes, we'll remember one of
his great moments and let you share some of those

(39:35):
on social media with us. But the idea that for
forty eight minutes he was giving you no quarter. Now
in the final year plus, I mean, the body was
failing and it's done, and I had a lot of
fun at his expense because I had part of the
season ticket package and I never saw him even in
a super okay like I saw a lot of Lou
Williams that year, and I like Lou Williams. It became
a big Lou Williams fan. But trying to take my

(39:56):
kids to show them work ethic and Kobe and Kobe's
not there didn't quite helped me, uh in those points
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(40:37):
You're listening to Fox Sports here. We are locked and
loaded from the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios having
some fun with you, Mike Carmen alongside Calvin washing get
in his Fox Sports Sunday still technically a football Sunday.
Why we have two more XFL games to get to
a little later on today. Let's face it, we're all

(40:57):
jacked up that there's more football to be had because
we're glutton's and also on a Sunday, it gives us
an excuse to say, hey, you know, football season is
not over. So the list that was waiting for you
after the Super Bowl, Kelvin, maybe you can buy yourself
another ten weeks rid it out a little bit. I
laughed about this at the job. We were talking about

(41:18):
the XFL somehow. I remember how it came up a
few weeks ago, you know, not yesterday. And one of
my coworkers she used to go, she goes, wait, so
you mean to tell me there's gonna be more football?
And she just said I'll never have have my husband
back or something like that. That laughed at. It's really
really funny. Oh no, well you have been flow, I mean,

(41:39):
and for some that's a good thing. You know, the
absence makes the makes the heart fonder. But if you're
actually trying to get to some objective, you know something,
whether it's togetherness and going on a nice hike, it
depicts communing with nature. We're just getting something done around
the house. I mean yeah, I mean there there's some tension,
there's some anxiety. It's gonna go there. There is a balance,

(42:00):
there's a balance of what I call in the Washington
household a t You know what a t is, um
no alone time. You do need alone time, you do
need some time where babies there's well, my alone time
five minutes of crying in the showers thinking about that.
That happens. My alone time now is it's humorous because

(42:22):
it's me trying to stay awake. Uh. But once the
babies are down. The wife, she's studying because she's a
brainiac and she's got her masters. Now she's doing law school.
Don't ask me, mind you. She works with time. She's insane.
I got the masters long ago and said, you get tapped.
She continues, and I'm not even sure we're gonna stop there.
But while she's done, we all become doctors. Maybe we

(42:45):
do that too, we get our doctorates in something. Well,
don't tempt her, listen, that's the last last thing I need,
all right, And so while she's doing that, I called myself.
This is how I watched the VIC documentary. I brought
up for several times because I finally get a chance.
And here's a problem with that. I end up watching
it or whatever show or document It takes me seven
watches because I'm gonna finally get my lone time. Yeah,

(43:07):
you get your ten minutes at a time. And I
fall asleep eight minutes into it of this two hour thing,
and I keep and then I wake up and I'm
looking at credits and w wait a minute, he ain't
even a pro bowler yet. How did I get to
the end? And I have to rewind it and start
over and it takes me like six watchings to do.
This is my regular alone time now, me fighting the

(43:29):
fact that my eyelids are already down and I'm sleep
just to simply say in my in my mind, I
need I'm gonna watch that show. Oh man, did you
finish whatever it is Homeland last season or game and
throw I'm like, I'm gonna watch it. Yeah. We gave
up on TV Renews on the show during the week
a long time ago. I'm the guy It's like, how

(43:50):
were you like the only thing guy watched every week
was Breaking Bad because it worked out with the schedule.
When I was still doing video work Fox sports dot
Com before d of changed how they were approaching some
things and I started going full time here at Fox
Sports Radio. I would end most of my video hits
down on the lot here in southern California, and I'd

(44:11):
be able to get home when the re air it's
just about to start, so you'd sit down and you'd
have a you know, a glass of your favorite and
then you know, the strange would come in. Pickiden and high,
let's go, and that ended. I don't I don't know
about that life anymore. I I am. Don't tell me
about anything, or don't because I'm not gonna see it
for a least a year after it's it's come out.

(44:33):
Oh no, oscars are tonight. I think I've seen like
three of the movies, you know why, because they were
kids movies that were nominated from special effects or something.
I saw Irish Man. I did finally get through that one,
and that was a few sittings. Uh good, slightly overrated.
I've seen it before, Like you can mind all the
Scorsese movies together and you get that, Well, it was
good to see them all on the screen. Right. You

(44:54):
see Harvey Kitel and you smile and you think of
Harvey Kitel. You see Pashi back in a film, Ah,
isn't this great? And then you finished it going that's
four hours agreed. We agree on that marriage story. Definitely
over rating. We'll leave it at that. I mean, well,

(45:16):
I'm not I'm not the biggest Adam Driver fan. Yeah,
I mean I know. People keep trying to tell me
how I'm supposed to appreciate him. And I love his
backstory right the personal because there's military so he does
a lot like he does. He's a good guy in
in doing a lot of things to help and using
his fame in that as an actor like you the

(45:39):
Kylo Ren Carris killed me. He's solid actor. I've seen
it in a few other things. Solid like nothing negative
to say at all. But also stop telling me he's
you know Daniel day Lewis kind of thing. We need
him back out of retirement, that's what we need. He'll
come out for some new we need my right foot
or something. He'll he'll come. He'll come back out for
some he roll. Who's what massive person? Haven't we done

(46:03):
a movie on a guy with a good question? You know? Uh,
he'll come out for that. Maybe we could have him
be Ulyss he says Grant or something. I mean he
did Lincoln. I just see, I see where you're going
with that. Either that or we get gangs in New York.
Part two incredible, more more Bill the Butcher kind of
thing as we go. But we're talking history, right, We

(46:24):
got a little history, and we're cultured guys here at
Fox Sports Radio. Absolutely, But if you have thoughts on
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(46:46):
around find me over at Swollen Dome as well, because
we also want your input on this. Thirty three years
ago Friday, in Chicago, of all places, Michael Jordan took
the world by storm. Not that he hadn't already, They
hadn't broken through in one at this point, but the
free throw line dunk that has become one of those
iconic moments photographed from all these angles. How many autograph

(47:10):
prints has upper deck sold with him just putting his
John Hancock on there for all these years, and it's
one of those indelible images of All Star weekend and
really of the NBA overall. Right for for him, one
of those signature moments, and we had them all around yesterday.
I think was the spud web and being a man

(47:32):
of vertically challenged. And I've been reminded of that's from
some of our football playing friends here at tax Sports. Rade.
I'll see you all, uh, you know down below in
the afterlife. But it's the the idea that you know,
we get these moments in time, uh, and we we
celebrate every night great theater in the NBA, but most

(47:55):
of it goes off into the ether. Right, here's another
fifty point night. They're not making the PLAYOFSS. Right, We've
got four teams, five teams, whatever you want to do
on the white board of teams that matter and games
that have wait to them and teams and players and performances.
But we celebrate those moments as they occur. And the
All Star Game, we know what it is. It's a

(48:17):
business deal, right, they extended it. Guys meet with their
clients of the shoe companies Hey, comes signed some autographs,
take some pictures, come and have you know our sushi buffet, uh,
and just keep going from that. But we do get
those images like Jordan's like spud Web, like uh, jumping
the shark, I mean, jumping the Kia with like Griffin,

(48:39):
and some of those moments that stick. And that's I
think one of the great things about this game and
the festivities around it is to be able to showcase
some of the talents and we get more of the
young guys now, so they just need to figure out
how to break through. Well. I think the NBA, if
we know, they have a way of promoting their players
more than any other and their players, even their Sea

(49:02):
level players, you could argue, have like a level Q ratings,
you know what. I like Nick Young, it's probably more
known than when he don't even know if he's obviously
not in the NBA anymore, but when he was playing
then so many people you're like, why is Nick Young
more known? Well, it's because he was dat Iggy Gazalia
whatever her name was he was, you know you know
who Iggy Azalen I did say a name everybody want.

(49:24):
Everybody watched Jennifer Lopez last week watched the video she
did with Iggy Azalien. Yeah, it's been a stament in here.
Not mad, not mad at IgG I had a chance.
It's inspirational. Right before she blew up like she was.
This was I probably interviewed her six months before, like
the Iggy Azalia experiment blew up. You know what it
took off um for this hip hop website years ago

(49:48):
again moving that like, I love the way it's like
I did whatever, I got an email, Hey you want
to interview some folks. Yeah, it was actually a good run.
I had a good run at that. Uh so I
had the hot new a pup dot com. But so anyway,
where it's going, where's that going with that? Oh so?
Uh The NBA has a way of promoting your players

(50:08):
and all that, and I think the All Star weekend
is just another example of that where you can make
a moment. You can have a moment that maybe you're
you're not a big time known guy, but if you
get into a dunk contest Harold Minor and you can
make a name for yourself. Kenny Walker, Kenny Skywalker, see
what I mean. Look, Webb and I think you're we
remember some of these guys Dee Brown when he when
he covered up in the you know, covered his eyes

(50:29):
while he dunk, which was became a thing that became
a thing. It wasn't cams thing, man, it was deep
Brown Brown was So You've got a lot of guys
you can make a name for themselves at this And
by the way, people get like a high brow about
the All Star weekend, like, dude, this is an All
Star wet. I feel like I'm the last person who
just enjoys it for what is you know, you know
what you keep talking about the XFL. How we're saying

(50:51):
it's just for big it's more football for people who
love football. For me, that's how have you all start weekend?
I get to see the best of the best, half
some fun. Yes, there are years where the All Star
Game could be more exciting, but I enjoy it for
the most part. I'm like, and it's rest is rest
in peace, Kobe Like, one of the things I loved
about him was he would come to those games and
still wanted to play it seriously. And Lebron does that too.

(51:12):
He'll take the first quarter and a half to all
but then Lebron definitely always brings it in the All
Star Game, and I enjoyed. I enjoyed the dunk contest,
three three point contest, Like not every year is going
to be a hit, but I enjoyed the concept of
it for sure. But I'll throw this out to a
couple other moments. Magic Johnson comes back, comes back, hits
a big three to kind of seal the game. It's
just such a celebration, and now he's he's gonna outlive

(51:35):
us all yep. And but at that time, for you kids,
we thought Magic was out of here in a few years.
Like I'm not even trying to be funny to no
tongue in cheek. We literally thought, oh, it's a it's
a rat. Magic. It's not going to be here much
longer as at the time, percentage wise, I mean, it
was a death set. And here we are, what, uh,
almost thirty years later. But and now he gives us

(51:57):
the Magic Johnson Twitter game that we read what it was,
what we missed. I really need, I really need to
send him a letter and thank him for all the
Lebron James is a really good basketball player. That's a
pretty good magic. I used to back him up, you know,
my old day at least have some fun with him.
He messed up my name, by the way in an
interview and that became a drop. Well that's good. That sticks,

(52:18):
said magnic some some some something. So tell us about
the something he goes, Well, first Calvin, not Kelvin. And
so first first Calvin, anytime I'm going to do that
at some point, Well, so you're you're not messing. There's
a little difference, Mike. You in magic. Well, to this point,

(52:39):
anybody's called out whether I can um do my job
or not? Which job it was? Everything else? Are you
kidding me? That guy's print of anything you want to
be And when he does his speaking tours and he's
showing this pictures the guy. The guy lives on a

(53:02):
yacht a couple of months, and everybody's always trying to
get their inte. So two thingsson invite and then my
head on one of those big boards and cops football,
and then I know I made it. See now now
we've got our our metal stand as it goes. You
had it one or two more moments you wanted to
throw out Vince Carter two thousand dunk contests, my gosh,

(53:24):
And you need also things to happen to Kenny Smith's
It's over, It's over like that was a perfect addition
to it. That was I thoroughly enjoyed that one. Um
and then if the Aaron Gordon and Atta is that
lavine those two going at it was fun. No, you
get some highlights, and in the end, I think it
just all comes back to the pageantry of the NBA,

(53:45):
the power that the players have and their willingness to
flex it right because we're talking about shorter rosters, We're
talking about a global game, and they know if the
stars talking this is we'll get into the NFL and
there latest bargaining attempt. This is why it fails time
and time again is that you have no cohesion because

(54:06):
one is so far different than fifty three that you're
not fighting for the same things at any level of
your C B A. S. Whereas if you can get Lebron,
you can get Chris Paul, your heavyweights. To put a
little little lean on Adam Silver. Look, he basically does
whatever they want. The only time he got any putting
that he ever gave any pushback was over the China

(54:28):
that it was just only a little flex and you
know what what he got out of that. I mean
from an Adam Silver perspective, nobody really talked about it
was like okay, because it became well, Lebron complains like, no, no,
this commissioner actually stood up for him or stood up
against him for for once. So but they know their
power and the game continues to grow. If you've got

(54:49):
a favorite All Star moment from the weekend, we missed, yes,
I know you Larry Bird lovers around and kept the
warm up and just said, hey, who's finishing second? I
mean you got all of those things. You want to
celebrate it because the game is back in Chicago, so
we'll see what kind of pageantry we'll see. If Jordan's
shows up to be part of the festivities, I think
you will. I think he's he's missed the like Kobe started,

(55:14):
we see, we saw him more, we started, we see
magic all the time. He's what you're the goat and
we never really see you. Now now he's just a
bad owner. Uh, he's Kelvin Washington. I'm my Carmen. I look, well, am,
I did I say anything wrong? Argument? No? No, no, no, no,
you backed away from the microphone faster than Uh. He's
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Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen alongside Calvin Washington having some
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Sports Rading. I'm twenty four hours a day, right. All
the great performances, the great heroes, the questions here in
l a of why did the Lakers do nothing at

(56:20):
the trade deadline? Dry Colison's walking through that door. We'll
do that for a minute. I mean, we could do
Dak Prescott and a couple of Maybes that that that
that arguments. Living here, we can definitely do that because
living here, I've had that conversation. How about we do
Dak and then in about ten minutes we get back
into trade deadline. Because I think I could just see

(56:41):
by the way your countenance chained a little bit there
when I said Lakers trade deadline, you started to puck
her up a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Go ahead say
or you can say Nick Van actually walked through that door,
even though they could use a Nick Van acle right now,
That story for another day. Bring back Swaggy P while
you're at it. Uh, never mind, stamp pat, We're good.

(57:03):
I don't know JR. Smith's work. I was gonna say
that that the rumor of j R. Smith. Obviously there's
a Lebron tie. That's why it's happening. But we'll see.
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cash back Match. So Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys.
The we'll call it a standoff for now because it's
still in limbo as to what they really want to do.
You know, Smith and I had had the argument, and
I know it's gotten a little bit of sizzle these
last few days of Well, if we're gonna talk about

(57:48):
Brady moving to some other non Boston area, there's gotta
have some sizzle to it, right. So Jason Crawford the Giants,
I said, well, why not in division with the Cowboys, Like,
if we're gonna talk about, you know, let's get real
about branding. Uh and a roster that's we called before
the season and through the season one of the top

(58:09):
in the top five in the game. And the only
real injury they sustained was Laton vander Esh missed a
bunch of time. Otherwise they were pretty healthy over the
balance of the season. You also have rumors here to
Los Angeles, Right, he's got a home here, Well, he's
got a home everywhere. He's he's a rich man and
he owned property. All a Holmes don't meet anything. To me,

(58:31):
I don't think any of them meet anything. Like in
real estate is always a good investment long term, right,
You might have a blip, you might have something go awry,
but generally speaking, like as long as you don't buy
an absolute top of the market, you're usually gonna have
some rate of return long term, right, And that's it,

(58:51):
especially here, man, you're talking about it just not to me,
just it's where you want to be. You're talking about
of these big time athletes living here when you have
the commercial aspects of the Hollywood aspect, Like why would
you not own at least the home, Uh, at least
you know, some small home here? Why not? If you
got the bread to do it, why not? So it
becomes part of the brand extension. But to this point,

(59:11):
it was presumed that there would be a deal done
with Dak Prescott. This past year didn't happen, So you
open up question. You got a new coach, Garrett's out,
McCarthy's in. Jerry Jones clearly not happy with the way
things ended. I had a lot of questions about play calling.
There's no reason to pay offensive line, Like under the
top ten players, I think six of them were offensive

(59:31):
linemen in terms of salary, plus Ezekiel Elliott, and yet
you're throwing the ball forty times a game, Like, what
are we doing here, so and you put up numbers
and that's great. And they did a lot of bums
slang because most of the big performances came against some
bad team. Right, let's call it what it is. But
according to a report, UH this found this out over
at Yahoo. UH, they were close to a deal in

(59:53):
September that paid the corep would have paid him thirty
three million per year, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram,
and then he asked for more. This from Steven Jones.
I don't want to get into the details, but we
have offered him significant money. The money we've offered Dak
no matter how many, how much you look at it,
it would put him as a top five quarterback in
the NFL. And that's the way we feel about him,

(01:00:15):
that he's one of the best. So thirty three million,
rumors that he wanted forty. Look, you want to ask
for the moon, I get it. But there's also the
realism of as soon as you get paid, until that
pie grows, the next CBA, the next TV rights and
everything else, you're gonna hamstring what else they can do.
Because Amari Cooper's out there and it's a wide receiver.

(01:00:38):
Richard Draft that's great. How often do rookie wide receivers
come in and dominate? And Amari Cooper's the guy. I
don't know that I want to pay seventeen million per year,
but we saw how much different Dak Prescott was upon
his arrival. Well, it's for he has a legitimate deep threat,
down threat, just a real number one guy I can
go to, as opposed to you know, coldbazy, the old

(01:01:00):
bess of the world. The Edelman's are like very reliable.
You can depend on them. Hey, it's certain five they're
gonna come across the middle. But you need a big
time number one receiver. Uh you know, well, let may
not say need, you at least need to have that
threat of one it right. It doesn't have to necessarily
be a top five receiver, but you need a guy
who can go down, stretch the field and create some
just you know, mismatches. Um. The The challenge for the

(01:01:23):
Cowboys is do we do what everyone else does and say,
who's next Kirk Cousin, Matthew Stafford, Uh, you know, Matt Ryan,
whoever the next guy up is, We're gonna overpay them,
even though we know we're overpaying, because that's just the
way it goes for quarterbacks, does somebody you know, kind
of say the buck stops here and kind of do
the I guess the ducks reasoning and say how many

(01:01:45):
teams have won with less than great quarterbacks? Obviously the
Patrick Mahomes just one. But shoot, he was a few
minutes away from losing to Garoppolo, who what we say
at best is good, maybe very good. I don't. I mean, well,
I mean second year starting right, But that if everybody

(01:02:06):
else can get that excuse, I give that back to
Jimmy Garoppolo. But is it in the league he didn't
play holding a clipboard. You're not learning through osmosis because
you're staring at Tom Brady or sitting in the same
room with as him. I know that work for getting
guys hired because they met Sean McVeigh at some point
a year ago just around him. You like that. Man,
I am just throwing blows all over the place this morning.

(01:02:30):
But but it's true. I mean, it's it's just reality
that he hadn't played a lot of football either, got
paid because they wanted to sink him up with Shanahan
and build. And that's what it was gonna take because
quarterbacks generally don't get to market, right, they get paid,
and like it or not, the cost of doing business
on a quarterback you like and not even love is

(01:02:53):
really high. But I'm wondering if, if, if this Dak Prescott,
if it's gonna start changing where you say, I can
get to a super Bowl and maybe even win without
it being an Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, we all say, oh,
he's the best quarterback I've ever seen, at least most talented.
Obviously most people you know, Brady is the goat. But
Brady is a prime example of where I'm going with this.
Tom Brady. First five years of his career, Tom Brady

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was he was good, he was all right. Yeah, he's
a game manager that great special teams, had a great defense,
and had a great coach. And if you look at
guys like Russell Wilson, who now we would say is
probably gonna go on Hall of Fame, that first few years,
we're just like, he's a third round guy who Matt
Flynn was supposed to be the starting quarterback, and they
paid and all of a sudden to pay exactly, and
all of a sudden, Russell Wilson's a guy they got
a great running game of great defense, and he wins

(01:03:38):
a ring and goes back to a couple of whatever.
Ben Roethlisberger's first Super Bowl it was like his first
or second year. He wasn't really the guy handed off
to Willie Parker, Jerome Bettis played good defense. We can
win these games. My point where I'm going is, uh,
Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson. I can name so many guys
who have one quarter who are winning quarter super Bowl
quarterbacks or at least got to the big game. And

(01:03:59):
you don't have to be the greatest. So I'm wondering
if teams are gonna start going, I don't need that guy,
and I don't want have to pay that guy forty
and what three years gonna be forty five million dollars.
But I can get a solid guy and spread it
around and have some success if we are good at
defense and good at other things. And that's the thing
you're talking about, well rounded team. You can even bring
the Eli Manning right two titles and he's all the fame.

(01:04:24):
Though he's not. He will be, but he will be.
They let everybody in the canton, and remember this, it's
a museum. So for Dion Sanders, our buddy Eric Dickerson.
We teamed up a long time ago in an inflammatory
interview that that ended up helping to push Jeff Fisher
out No More seven and nine. But to say, you know,

(01:04:45):
it's it should be more exclusive whatever. No, it's it's
a museum and you're trying to bring people in. And
I'm not saying that because I'm wearing a Harold Bains
Hall of Fame. The bottom line is you're trying to
sell tickets. You're trying to sell your game's history. And
the more teams, the more players, the more represented Asian,
you can shake it a lot in mediocrity and help

(01:05:05):
in here. It should be deont yep On, Barry Centers,
yep Eli Manning. Okay, so you from now on you
only get one shot at the ballot and you never
get on again. That's really no, that's exactly what you're
saying right there. What I'm saying, give him credit. Steve
Hartman a great one. I'll give him credit once like

(01:05:25):
you get the first ballot. Okay, great, you want to
talk about Steve hard Man. He's gonna yell at you
and he's gonna hit you with his lego hair, Mike, Mike,
let me tell you something, Mike. But yeah, and then
you get another you get one more shot, so you
get the first one, then you get the second one,
and that's it. There's no nineteenth. Try try because you
will get some guys on the edge, Like I mean,
there are some people who are like, I'm pretty sure

(01:05:47):
but that. But see to your point, you just said
he's all favorite. But if it's a well, because you've
always you just killed your own argument here. No, you
just need nothing. You got guys I can get in, right. No,
but that's the whole point. We screw that rule people.
But then, but then that rule needs to just go away. Right.

(01:06:07):
If guys happen to retire the same year, that's too bad, right,
And so for that year, fift team guys get in.
Twenty guys. I mean, however, many guys that retire that
our Hall of Fame where they get in. Otherwise we
have this long tail. I want to watch Drew Peters
on the other side, man, right, I mean watching that,
and after we'll get into that, because I mean that's

(01:06:32):
like you really argued on both side your mouth. Man,
I gotta call you on. I gotta call you on it.
He's Kelvin Washington on my car and this is Fox
Sports Sunday having some fun with you. Heat it up.
That means we gotta bring in Isaac Lowen crowd, because
you know he's always jacked up about things. What's up, buddy,
I'm really jacked up about what's going on in Major
League Baseball and that is not much because, as you know,

(01:06:56):
the blockbuster three team deal between the dodd There's Red
Sox and Twins that would send Mookie bets from Boston
to the Dodgers is still not technically official. And in
Los Angeles fans who are Lakers and Dodger fans having
nightmares about the Chris Paul deal that wasn't many times ago.
But this tidbit tweeted just a short time ago by

(01:07:18):
John Hayman of MLB Network. Quote, here there's progress in
the Mookie Talks. Sides seem hopeful. Hashtag Dodgers, hashtag Red Sox,
hashtag m N Twins. You know what's funny, though, Isaac.
Earlier this week, we had Tim Kate's our buddy from
UH and five seventy on the show with us. Jason

(01:07:39):
and I were talking about this, and I asked him
if he was happy that Mookie watch was over. Still
going on a week later, here we go, we're still going.
I think the ultimate nightmare would be if the trade
got called off for basketball reasons, not even baseball reasons,
but basketball reasons. Speaking of basketball and college basketball, It's like, oh, Calvin,

(01:08:00):
did I strike a nervous and sorry, this just don't
just you know, I need this trade to happen, all right,
I have reasons. All right, Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
I want to no longer care about dude North Carolina.
I want to know what your reasons are. I will
be in some capacity doing things with the Dodgers. Okay,
that's that's all. That's all. Congratulations, thank you, you're gonna

(01:08:23):
that's not predicated on the results of the Mookie trade,
is it. Well, I hope it's not the only one.
They had to pay him those extra you know, hundred
twenty million that he was asking for, like that might
cut a few out of Calvin's big white board in
Andrew Freeman's office, and is your name scrawled on the
board with a bunch of arrows and diagrams, and the
permutations of the trade listen to listen. I'm not trending, Ilo.

(01:08:43):
I'm just simply stating that I got news for you.
You're trending now brand expansion Ilo. Yeah, exactly. There's no
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hard part figuring out which way is easier. We're talking
about tourism dollars. We're talking about selling a town, uh,
selling a community, selling well hope and autograph inscriptions because
we're getting guys paid to Calvin you know. Okay, you
you bring that up, and you and I have had
this debate before. Has anybody in here I know you have,

(01:10:30):
But has anyone else been to Canton? No? No, no.
So I don't feel as if that portion of it.
I think it's the legacy and the lure of said sports.
So if it's baseball, basketball, whatever, I think it's more
of you know, the look like, oh they're in Canton.
Is this big Hall of Famer? And I think the
pageantry of yes, the yellow jacket is. But I think

(01:10:51):
it's more of a TV thing than tourism. Like I
don't know too many people actually go to cant. But
I know many people have the debates or the conversations
or talking about the Hall of Fame speeches. Um, and
all I'm saying going back to the to the uh,
speaking of Hall of famers, Eli Manning, I don't believe
is one. Now, did he have a heck of a career,
like a you take his career any day, right, you've

(01:11:12):
you've won the top of the top thing and in
any in his case it's a super Bowl and games.
But you, to me, you it can't just be that
like he he had. There's nothing really else great that
he did. He plenty of mediocrity, mediocre seasons, he threw
led the league in interceptions a few times. Uh, the
last five six years been awful. I mean it just

(01:11:35):
just to me, that's not Hall of fame. Yes, he
had a Hall of Fame, and even those runs in
the postseason weren't that great for him. He just he
showed up when he needed to. I'll give him credit
for that. And he's gonna and I don't even think
he needs to Hall of Fame. Like he's a two
time super Bowl champion. Why does he have to be
Hall of Famer? Why that's great? In and of itself.
They're Hall of famers who've never won one, or we
only have one. But but there's there as we go through, right,

(01:11:59):
is you know, folk here in Los Angeles, San Diego
losing their minds. Philip Rivers is gonna play probably somewhere else.
I would percent closed the door on him opening so far,
even though he's moved his family. I think I think
that's a narrative that people have pushed a little too
fast that I don't I don't know that that door
is necessarily slammed and bolted just yet, probably you know close.

(01:12:22):
I mean, we'd probably just have a crack, you know,
let a little air in. But he's a guy people
talk about Hall of fames like why like if if
you're gonna use the iron Man argument, well that goes
to Eli, who got screwed out of a start by
McAdoo saying all right, here's Geno Smith for a start,
like which made no sense. He was not your quarterback
in the future that was gonna be the guy. Great,

(01:12:46):
But if this was just I'm in charge here, which
is really all that was. I mean, and he was
the fall guy of a lot of other stuff, I
don't think he did a great job, but not necessarily
as bad as you know he was lampooned, but for
Eli Manning, just for the Hall of Fame, I mean.
And obviously Cooperstown is a different field than Canton when
you get into the pageantry of the place itself, because

(01:13:07):
Cooperstown it's a nice little resort town. It's a it's
a week of pageantry. You get to meet all these
guys that are pop up little folding tables and get
the stories while you get your autograph and some ice
cream and whatever else. But you're still trying to run
a museum. You're still trying to get and Canton does well,
and certainly during induction week you've got a lot of

(01:13:29):
folks that flocked because they're supporting their guy right year round.
Maybe not right, maybe maybe it's not the same gravitational poll.
And it part of it is you know, what are
you looking for? And and you don't get deep as
deep into the numbers and stuff as we do with baseball.
It's it's a it's a whole other world. But but

(01:13:50):
when it comes down to the NFL, and we just
had this argument, right because with the latest inductions, you know,
the latest classes announced, and we people are still mad
about this guy the other a guy we watched Drew
Pearson breakdown and such. But to your point, it's like,
all right, why do we have this year twelve or
even year two the way you've set it up, the

(01:14:11):
way Dion Sanders sets it up, and some do because
you're all Hall of Famer or you're not. So if
that class is fifteen this year and you know what
next year, nobody gets in, that's that's living and dying.
By your it's got to be the best of the
best mantra as opposed to a celebration of the game,
which to me, that's what the Hall of Fame is
supposed to be. I don't mind again the two year thing,

(01:14:34):
just simply because there are some people who will be
right on the fringe, like just just but if you
have to have the argument to your point, but I don't,
But I don't mind. But I don't mind. Like for instance,
Eli Manning to me, too much is based off of
literally two games, Like everything I'm sold is off of
two gangs for him, you know what I mean, it's

(01:14:54):
the Super and they're the super Bowl, So I'm not
I can't argue that and congrats to him again. But
why does it have to me that those two games
get him in? Where is there's somebody like a Ben Roethlisberger.
Maybe he would take a second day because I feel
like he's in and I don't know how I would agree,
so but there and then there's somebody. Does he go
in with the big beard where he looks like a
wood chunk or not? Oh, I don't know. You have

(01:15:17):
to think about your bucket events like beard I'm a
fan of. I'm a fan of the Big Beard. A situation.
I do TV every day, so they wouldn't let me
just go crazy with it like this is this is?
This is it? Which I Doug d A, I do
TV every day. As he's sitting here and doing radio
with me on Sunday morning, got you it was? There

(01:15:39):
are things that I want to do that I can't do,
Like I want to do certain haircuts and put a
part in my head here and I'm like, well, they're
not shooting the reverse. It depends on when the part
is and how crazy I'm getting with it. Like here's example,
I'll sit in the barber chair and my barber shout
to Dabrail. He'll go hey man, let's you know, he'll
feel inspired. He'll say, let's do this and it maybe

(01:15:59):
show me example their picture of pointed something, and I'm like, slow,
twenty two year old dub I would have been with it.
I would have been you know, I would would roll
with this. But he can't put that Rihanna in my head.
You can't have this. You can't have this serious moment
with me sitting here interviewing. Uh you know some some
politicians I'm sitting here with like looking like Karl Anthony

(01:16:21):
Towns or something, you know, NBA player with lines all
over my head. I can't that's I can't do just
diet like Kyle c Yeah, I can't be hout here
like man. He doesn't know what he wants to do.
You though, he switches in her mind every other day.
I don't know if he's texting one of the genders
like hey boo, what color should I do this week?
I was filling coral and he's like, all right, coral.
It is like, I don't know what's going on with coups.

(01:16:45):
Know that he survived again didn't but you know why
that adds to people wanting to that. That adds two
people wanted him like gone, because like it's one of
those things don't point to and say, see, he's not
taking it seriously. Why do you say that he's coloring
his hair? Yeah, well those are the simple to is
that we don't. Los Angeles is a big city, high

(01:17:06):
Los Angeles in the world exactly. He's Calvin Washington and
Mike Carmen. We're having some fun with you here at
Fox Sports Trade Out and we'll talk about those Lakers
coming up next because we've got the Play of the
Day but also the trade deadline and the Ninth Life
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Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen. Calvin
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Live on Twitter, Instagram, find me over at Swollen Dome.
You see Calvin on Spectrum here. Hear him here on
Fox Sports Radio as well as honored to have him
in this morning. Got up bright and early. I'm looking

(01:17:48):
at you right now. Just just this commercial. This guy
was just killing the treadmill and I just totally pictured
that was you. He had a full routine on their
like instead of just the normal walking on Trevills turned sideways,
turn the other away. I'm gonna do like that. Okay,
go video right here we go, here we go, like
we'll work that into I mean, listen out. The road
into swoll Is is long, and because I gotta get

(01:18:12):
there and all of us No, but I get pretty
in this town. Who knows what doors gonna open? That
camera might actually turn on saying that. I do not
appreciate that. I don't agree with that. You can be
who you are. Has Lizzo not taught us anything? Nope?
I think I think she's other than how to torque

(01:18:34):
front room. I think she's not taking it. Probably the
hell of a show though. We went to an iheard
thing here a few months ago. I took my daughter's
big show. It was for breast cancer benefit part of it,
but Taylor Swift was on the bill. Jonas brothers, Oh no,
that's what we do. We do live events like we

(01:18:55):
To me, it's like it's an extension of church. Right,
you got all energy going the same way. That's Sports
has always been such a big heart and and it's
a unifier in our society and it pushes conversations forward. Right.
We talked about that all the time. So um, Lizzo
was part of the bill Billie Eilish like it was crazy. Yeah,

(01:19:17):
she's scared. She scares me. That's a love thing. Yeah No,
there's just the video behind it. Good music, just dark,
little little dark gets a little creepy. Hey, how about
the time for the play of the day and officiating
getting in the way once again? Tones with three with
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So officiating creeps up in here again, Calvin Um. We
had it the other night with the missed goalten Damian
Lillard and his ridiculous run of successes, and he laid
into the officials and it was so bad they're not
even finding him. It's the funniest thing in the world. Like,

(01:20:24):
I know are bad and look when you're fighting for
eight nine and trying to get to the playoffs and everything.
It's a big deal here. All those complaining about the
final minute of officiating against Duke, and I got no
dog in the fight here. North Carolina went twenty one
thirty eight from the free throw line. Hit your free throws.

(01:20:44):
It's three points there is. That's why you have to
maximize and do what you can do right your part,
because there's always gonna be an opportunity for an officials
to blow it. Like you mentioned in the Damian Lillard
that was clearly off the glass. But yeah, blaming officials,
they're it's warranted every blue moon. I don't know if
that Duke North Carolina was don't leave it to the judges.
Fox Sports Sunday continues with Lakers trade talk. You're listening

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to Fox Sports. Great eggs, welcome. In second half of
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(01:21:31):
Iowa Sam sits down with his giant cup of coffee,
which he brought none for any of us, so he's
already got three demerits uh to start the show, as
Chris tags out great work this morning, Ilo and Vince
the team making us sound so pretty. But we're having fun.
You look like you're ready, like for a prize fight.
Now you got the hoodie two hours left with two

(01:21:52):
it is a fight. I'm ready to do it. Well,
we're having some fun. When you had beef with me
on the Hall of Fame, I didn't know you know
you were like that. I didn't know that. I'm just joking.
It's all fame. I mean, yeah, I'll ride with Eli.
When we talk about in context with other guys that
have gone into the Hall of Fame, No, nobody's worse
than the Basketball Hall of Fame. That's the worst. Well

(01:22:14):
because it's basketball, not NBA, But that's just it. You
get into the Basketball Hall of Fame mean out in
Massachusetts and always large classes, and people can argue about it,
but again it's you're trying to bring in fan bases, right,
so like when you have but well, I'm in international
plays right and have an International Basketball, Vladi Divat than smoking.

(01:22:40):
I was gonna say Hall of Fame and the ways
app It's still got to be in the system there somewhere.
Did you ever hear the audio that you could use
vlody Diva and it had like this little musical thing
going on behind it. It's really kind of weird. I
think Arnold Schwarzenegger had one to what movie was he promoting? Who?
Some movie was Wroken in that he took over ways.

(01:23:01):
You know what you gotta You gotta get out there
and sell, sell selling. Somebody's getting creative. It's one of
the themes of the morning. As Kelvin and I have
written down like nine business ideas for ourselves that we
did this morning. Now we can only just execute. We
just have to just start communicating a little bit. Big
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to a sporting event or rehearsal, or just having a
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We know you have a lot of options. Hopefully you'll
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it easy once in a while, because it doesn't always

(01:23:43):
have to be so serious. Well, you put that on
a T shirt. I gotta figure out how to phrase
that a little bit. Well, you're you're in the merch game.
I'm working, I've I've got some designing kind of things working.
We'll we'll, we'll figure this out. Brand ending opportunities come here.
Let's let's make that happen. But one of the things

(01:24:03):
we thought we'd see a little bit of a rebranding
of the Los Angeles Lakers. Come the trade deadline, and
Marcus Morris was the prized piece. And I know people
laugh and say it's Marcus Morris, Like, no, no, no,
you need glue, guys. Not everybody's a twenty five game
I can take over periods of games kind of guy.

(01:24:24):
Those guys aren't available generally at the trade deadline unless
someone is really desperate to get rid of a contract, right,
which is why you can do the swap for the
bottom feeders. Not that the Warriors will be there for long,
but they can say, all right, we'll bring in a
guy that doesn't want to play defense in his attitude
historically has been questionable in Minnesota and Andrew Wiggins and
bring his twenty eight million a year and potential he's

(01:24:48):
a twenty three game score now, but that he can
get it and he's saying all the right things upon
arriving in Golden State. And then you take D'Angelo Russell,
who's now on his fourth team. I set the over
at six and a half for his career where he
where all over. He's gonna be over right, He's gonna
be like Shock, where he's the big Cactus and the
leprecaun and everything. A big was the big everything for
a while. I don't just talking on the river well yeah,

(01:25:12):
I mean yeah, we can't. I mean a mistake on
the lake, Yeah, Shack, I don't, I didn't, I don't.
I don't mind you go. I'm not the guy you
have to retire with one team, guy, because I get
you right. At some point, you know, people listen to
the show all day. We talked about Bobby Night, you know,
and and where it's gonna end. At a certain point,
things been going good. Things been going great with a Canaan,

(01:25:34):
But come on now, we can't be hopping and hopping
and hopping hopping check like it's getting inst I don't
even think he kept collected checks, that is, I can't.
I can't argue with that side of it. No, you
want to talk about a guy, I want the book
Vince Carter too, right, another guy. But as far as
catching the basketball checks, yeah, he like somehow he's I mean,
he's still in the league final year. Fantastic, Right. We

(01:25:56):
were talking about big All Star moments going back to
two thousand and with Vince Carter and when he really
announced himself on the national scene, right and next level.
We watched him in college, but that that took it
to a whole other level. But with Shaquille O'Neal, the
blueprint and you look at the businesses and everything else
and another guy and again not to make it, you know,

(01:26:17):
and and take the tone down because we're excited to
be here. We got a lot of good stuff and
talking trade deadline. Uh and certainly for folks kind of
pointing at the Lakers and wondering what what's next? As
the Clippers bring in Morris Um. You had Shaquille O'Neal
with the point you words following the tragedy of Kobe
Bryant of like I gotta squash beefs. I'm getting on

(01:26:40):
my phone, I'm doing this. We hadn't talked for a
couple of years because he was there at sixty right
the final game of Kobe's run, and they hadn't talked
after that. And that's sad like like from just a
real person, humanity kind of thing. And that's part that
and that's the biggest part from me. Think about him
what you will on a grand scale, right, and everybody's

(01:27:00):
going to be judged somewhere, and obviously you don't get
to write your own story as to which parts are highlighted.
There's some good, there's some bad, there's some ugly, and
all of us along the way you do the best
you can. But for Squille O'Neal and for a lot
of others, it's it's a great mantra going forward of
all that small stuff just gotta go And how long

(01:27:21):
do you actually keep that right? Because it's easy to
say it and then two weeks later it's a lot
easier for that to just go drift to the wayside again.
That's the key part, right is is how will you
continue to keep that that thing going? How will you
apply it to your life? Um? But I want to
do you want to get back to the XS and
knows of what we're talking at Marcus Morris and for
those who AI, we don't. I saw a lot of

(01:27:41):
we don't need a Marcus Moore? Who was the Marcus more?
Why would I care about a micro Marcus Morris. I'm like, dude, No,
he is exactly the type of guy a team would need,
in this case the Lakers, because you need who's the
who's let me ask you this, Who's a tough guy
on the Lakers team. Who's the guy that every championship
team has the Bruce Bowen do the dirty work, nasty
guy to Draymond Green, to Dennis Robin. You know, every

(01:28:05):
team has had that guy who's gonna be the glue
guys you mentioned, or a tough guy you know, I'll
guard the best wing defender every team usually has. The
winning team has that guy. And for the Lakers right now,
I guess it's Avery Bradley. Um, so are the Lakers
were they in need regular season? No, they're gonna They're
still gonna win a bunch of games, probably have number one,

(01:28:27):
number two records in the West. And when you have
a Lebron and a D you have a great chance
in any series, for sure. But if I'm the Lakers,
I'm upset that of all the teams, the Clippers got him.
Why because that's another big six ft eight, six ft
nine guy to throw a Lebron to throw at a
D who can score. Uh you know he's he can still,

(01:28:50):
he's averaging twenty in New York now New York, so
you're gonna cut that down and obviously in half with
the Clippers. But he's better than Moe Heartless, who the
only person really had to give up. He's five and
four and and what's gonna be a low first round
pick exactly a versus a guy who's probably gonna get them,
you know, ten and five and hard nosed defense and
knows how to play and has that chip on his

(01:29:11):
shoulder that you need. And so if that, if I'm
the Lakers, that I'm not saying you wanted to give
up Kyle kuz before at the end of the day,
but you have to if you can find some way
to get some type of guy like that because the
Lakers are I do believe they're in need because not
just the Clippers like but also a Denver, a Utah
teams that are deep. Man, those teams are deep. Well,
but that's it. They keep coming at you. Right when

(01:29:33):
we look at the Western Conference and you can mock
certain parts of different teams, you can look at strategies,
and you know, on paper, things look great for Houston
to win a bunch of games, and they'll win a
bunch of regular season games, but it is the six
six experiment gonna work in the playoffs? No, no, no no,
unless someone gets hurt or something crazy. I mean, look,
crazy things happen, but you're talking about winning series after series,

(01:29:56):
and the threes are falling with great regularity. Right, they
beat the Lake, there's the other night and everybody losing
their mind. Oh my god, they've changed the paradigm. No,
they shuffled up and dealt to the next perhaps the
last thing they get to do as a duo. Right
morey uh and Mike D'Antoni. All right, so let's try
this one more time. They shot sixty three's the game

(01:30:17):
before the Lakers. They were on a windstreak that keeps
going and then they go out and get absolutely thumbed
by Phoenix. Yes, hang a star on it that Westbrook
didn't play. It's still the Phoenix Suns. If you're any good,
you're still with him sitting out. You should be able
to go and beat the Phoenix Sun. Well, right, at
least making it should be competitive. Instead, they would shout
eleven forty eight, you don't have a rebounder, and they

(01:30:39):
get buried. For the Lakers, it comes down to this
for me is this is a fallout, and this is
also an indictment of what you paid. You got Anthony
Davis to show up for this year. Fantastic, congratulations. You
mortgaged your soul, not just a couple of assets. You
mortgaged your soul because you had nothing else to give

(01:31:00):
when it came to this trade deadline and Anthony Davis
made it clear he wasn't going anywhere else. There was
no leverage like the fact that the Lakers had to
give so much back. We always talk about the invisible
hand of the NBA. I keep wondering if the invisible

(01:31:20):
hand of the NBA didn't say, now, that's not enough.
He's a big enough talent, like well, no there's no
other suitors because nobody else can trade for him because
he's not gonna go play. Say he's gonna take his
ball and go home. So he didn't have any more
first round picks to pony up. You didn't have anything else.
You had Kuzma, and then we're talking about Kuzman Danny mean,
because it comes down the salaries match. It was a

(01:31:41):
whole other ludicrous nature of the NBA trade deadline. Here,
I'm gonna give you the contract of a guy who's
been playing video games on his couch. But because we
had signed him to a long term deal, that contract
is still valid. So here he's thrown in. He won't
even put up hold up a jersey at a press conference.
But because it makes the salaries match, this works. So

(01:32:03):
the Lakers in in bringing in Anthony Davis, while obviously
huge and look where they're at, it really limited how
much more you can do. The fact that we're going
to hear, let's wine and dine Darren Collinson who's been
sitting out and and let's get him a standing Oh
as he sits there with Genie buss Or j R.
Smith's working out like all these things, like it's it's

(01:32:24):
just you got the short term win, but long term
you've kind of hampered yourself. Well, I think I think
you're okay with that when you look at where they've
been the last one seven years, not even making the postseason,
not even if they were competitive. Uh, they were terrible
and they had the most I guess they're in the
losses in that span. And so I'm okay if I'm

(01:32:47):
the Lakers and say, look, we got Lebron who looks
like if you want to say, he's lost a half
step for sure, I don't know, maybe a full step,
but a full step from what Lebron was being arguably
the greatest of all time one two or three. I
can with that if I got a guy who is
actually still ascending and Anthony Davis. Uh so, all you
want to do is make sure you have the right

(01:33:07):
Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Glenn Rice the first year you
know that guy? Do you know that that that's what
they're right now banking or is that Do we have
the right mix of guys that we compare with our
new modern day shock and Kobe um and and and
they're right there again they're leading the West. I don't
I don't think there's any to panic or be frantic.
You just want to make sure you've got the right
pieces um and and that wild card is still Kyle

(01:33:31):
Kuzma if he comes out once the postseason comes and
he knows his role, and that's the key part. I
don't think it's just knowing your role and it doesn't
have to be scoring all the time. And if he's
giving me twelve consistent points, but I'm getting more more
effort on the defensive end, or I'm getting a big
shot when I needed here there, then that can be
all you need. You know, the a bunch of the

(01:33:52):
ifs and butts, Right, all those guys you name, that's
how they define their careers, right, is that consistency of effort.
Jason and I talking about as this was getting heating up,
that Kuzmin was the name, looked at each other. I go,
he reminds me a lot of lamar Odom to a degree?
Is that on a nightly basis, I don't know what
I'm getting. I mean, they're getting a dominant player, a

(01:34:13):
guy who's into it and he's shooting, and he's playing
both ends of the court and he wants in or
that a guy who doesn't feel like he's getting the
ball enough, doesn't get enough love from from dad, that
Lebron's not looking his way, and all of a sudden
he's a non factor. Right, we watched him in that
Houston game. He might as well have not been on
the court. They might as well have played shorthanded for

(01:34:34):
some of those sequences because he had no interest in
running back and forth. Then I'll say this that we
gotta break. Then that means, you know, when you have
a Lebron led team typically outside of the Heat, because
I was, you know, three all star guys gett together,
but you usually have that other guy when Lebron is one.
When we've praised him, it is because he brought the
nothings to a finals, Right, how do you bring that

(01:34:55):
team to the finals? And we praise him, but they
always lose because at the end of the day, you're
like many it's nothing. When he wins is when he
has other guys that can help him. Uh, having success
in the Heat, having success when Kyrie everyone was able
to play that full finals in this you know, and
then Kevin Love. So he's gonna need that. I'm gonna
need help. I can do most of it and I'm
gonna win us a Series two, but Anthony Davis as well.

(01:35:17):
But it's gonna have to be guys stepping up. And
maybe that's an Avery Bradley. It's better be a Kyle Kuzma.
But he's gonna have to be Danny Green has that
five for five game alive, Mike Miller, you know he
uh you know, Avery Bradley has a game where he
goes four for four from three and he makes some
good defensive players, allow a Shane Battier. You're gonna have
to have those guys step up. And that's what they're

(01:35:38):
banking on, is that historically, if we get him another
guy Anthony Davis, we got him a half a guy
Kyle Kuzman. The rest of the guys will play in
the role and they're bank They banked on it at
this point. Just remember Father time gets us all a
lot of weary miles on the definitely a vacation right
now with Lebron, I know he's coming, but he took
a pit stop, or he took a different route. I

(01:36:00):
don't know. I want to know what's in the in
the water. He's Calvin Washington. I'm just I look, I
was just saying I want some of it. That's whatever
he's doing and living right, God bless I know you
don't try to eat in there. Oh you're just reading
in too many things here ya. Conspiracy Theory Radio, Calvin,

(01:36:21):
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The Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Sunday continues, Mike, Carmen,
Calvin Washington with you. Thanks for hanging out with us
on a beautiful Sunday morning across the land. Whatever you're
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and for being part of our extended team extended I
we call it the extended mutant family because we're all, uh,
coming at life from a little different angle, and you know,

(01:37:04):
we all walk in the same direction kinda. So it's
a beautiful thing. We all have no going on, and
but we're all together. We're here rocking out for four
hours four hours. I spend more time with you knuckleheads
than I do with my family. That's about it sounds
about right. That's and kind of sad as I said
it like I was saddened. Yeah, it's that. I'm just

(01:37:29):
the way you said it. Though. Sam asked to give
you his hat is in an Iowa. Now he's rocking
at to be Bruce arians Oh it's a go oh,
I love well. The gorn is my fedora, like the
fedoras I get as of down not a sponsor. I'm
gonna show you. I'm gonna show you, by the way,
came up live on Instagram too. I'm gonna show you

(01:37:49):
a picture of me. You l I v E. I'm
gonna show you a picture of me and a hat,
one of those carmelo type hats. Remember he was rocking.
I actually have a carmat one from the line thank you, Yeah,
I got I got the red leather one. I need
to really have a weird head, Like it's not big,
but it is big. Like every time I have a
big head, someone goes, man, your head's not big. I

(01:38:10):
don't know sand what you're laughing at there, man, Sunday morning,
I'm not doing this with you today. It's Sunday morning.
Jesus is not happy with you or whatever else. He
celebrates all of us. What are you talking about? But
they can be not happy. He can be not happy
like he was. The children. You love them, but I'm
not happy at this moment um. But I'm gonna need
your opinion on it, all right? Said I said, rocket

(01:38:34):
or stop it? Fifty six rocket? Go ahead and wear it? Uh.
I think I remember the image. We'll have to we'll
revisit that one in a minute. Uh. One of the
stories that is hanging over the sporting landscape, UH is
the c B A for the National Football League. And
some folks get bored by contract talk and the ramifications

(01:38:55):
of all these big meetings. For me, it's it's the
lifeblood of what we do because in the end, if
we're talking about work stoppages and the changing fundamentally of
what the business is doing, while it changes our our
fan experience along the way. We've seen this the way
the NBA handles business, where for years it seemed that

(01:39:18):
you know, you could argue that the the owners just
got over on them until the big stars started to flex.
Major League Baseball has always just had the best representation
and the best lawyers working on their behalf. You can
argue that some of the tactics and some of the
things were not good for the game as a whole,
but for the players they looked out and for the NFL.

(01:39:40):
Every time we get to one of these and we're
in on it now, it's the well, here's what we
want to do. If you're the NFL and the owners
and the players, their list of wants usually pales, right.
They usually settle for something innocuous on the grand scale. Right,
we we talked about healthcare, are we talk about lifetime healthcare?

(01:40:02):
We talk about all these other insurances and and everything else,
and a lot of it as it just gets pushed
to the wayside, like this last time, all right, they
got more days off. Well it it impacted. I think
at least the first month of the season looks more
like preseason. Not that you're not playing, I mean you're
not playing in the preseason in general anyway, keeping guys

(01:40:23):
healthy and ready to go for the regular season. But
what it also means is that those days off that's
more tape, more film like having to stay away from
from the facilities as you rehab from a surgery in
the off season. All of these things play into the game,
and the fight over the seventh game continues to be

(01:40:44):
the hot button topic. You're not worried about our safety,
Like no, no, you've already stipulated you're good to go
to sixteen. Now, it's just can we get you to
do one more? And eventually it's like I made the
Star Trek reference the low cut to Saborg. Resistance is
futile because they're just gonna be able to lean on
you and make you do that, and eventually they'll get

(01:41:05):
to eighteen too, because what's the last bastion of I've
got to watch something as it happens sports, right, that's
it for so for advertising dollars, we just saw it
for the Super Bowl. We're talking six million, seven million
dollars for thirty seconds of airtime. That's where you need eyeballs.
So what do you have to do? You have to

(01:41:25):
create more content so that next game, and you don't
have a unified players association to even fight and come
back on it with one a reasonable argument like in
the end, you've you've already stipulated sixteen's good. Why is
the sev suddenly the the cliff dropping off right. You know,

(01:41:45):
maybe you can argue for roster expansion, but the veterans
would be mad about that because they're more likely to
now get replaced by a younger guy that's cheaper, which
is already happening and already but that's part of the
problem is that you have so many different levels as
opposed to an NBA team. Not that there's not a
difference between Lebron and the twelfth man, but it's still
a short roster and you've got a couple of stars

(01:42:08):
that can on each team that can push that. With
the NFL, why why did the quarterbacks want anything different? Right,
they're getting paid or pick top position guys. It's it's
the other guys that are in the three years so
to try to do anything substantive from a labor perspective,
they can't afford to sit out. Baseball has the luxury.

(01:42:30):
We're guy, and I know when we take the average
of sports, right every you know, and pick a league
two to three years. This league, it might be three
or four year career. But in baseball, I think guys
can walk into it and think I'm gonna be in
the show for a decade. Twelve years, right, they can
walk into a kind of feeling that way. Whereas football
guys like man, I got two or three year, four years,
and I know everybody thinks I'm good, I'm talented, but

(01:42:50):
there are people who genuinely know if it keeps going
this way, I'm not gonna be here long, right, So
I have to kind of get it when I can.
So the idea of hey, let's just it out a
whole season to prove our point, guys, I can't do
that every time that they've had, you know, threats of this.
Guys are like man, I had to go back and

(01:43:11):
get money. They cash advanced guys, you know, because I'm
only making I'm only making seven fifty thousand, as you mentioned,
you cut that in half. That you cut my mom.
My mom needs this and then my baby mom and
anything else. Not a lot of money. Whereas, yes, fine,
if Aaron Rodgers dak presstill once he gets a deal.
But you know the these top HiPE you know, highest

(01:43:31):
paid guys are you know, let's prove a point. They
let's wait a year out. They can do that. There's
so many different players one to fifty three. You only
got probably four or five guys on the team who
really feel like they can do that or it's worth
doing that, um, which is why you end up being
in situations where the players don't get what they want
in most parts and they don't think the long term game.
The NBA, as you mentioned earlier with Chris Paul, when

(01:43:53):
he really became a part of the leading the players Association,
they really pushed for the old guys because they knew, hey,
we're gonna be the old guys before you know it,
and so let's make sure we're taking care of them.
And they did a good job of that. I believe
it was their last CBA. UM. So it'll be interesting
to see what the NFL doesn't As far as the
seventeenth game, I know that you can go to seventeen,
then you go to eighteen. If you go to a teen,
let's make it even twenty um. That I think if

(01:44:15):
the players were to do they're gonna have to definitely
get something on the front end when it comes to
the preseason games that's just eliminated pre that's gonna go.
I think that's the obvious. I mean, it has to
be like as a whole, I don't even want to
let's narrow down to two. Let's just get straight to it,
because college football get straight to it. Yeah, but generally
they Yeah, but other than a couple of big time

(01:44:37):
show pieces for the networks and the rights holders, you're
playing a bunch of cream puffs. That's true, but it matters.
Appalachian State can be to Michigan and you know, and
so I'm with you that it's not like they're coming
right out the gate playing a top ten to top
ten teams except for maybe a game or two. But
what point is they get right to it? You know
what I mean, We'll have a cup just like a
couple of cupcakes will be like if Kansas City plays

(01:45:00):
leveland you know what I mean, like that can be
you can look at that. Because that's the other problem
I have with their scheduling, and that's an argument for
another time, is that you don't need marquee games week
one and two because people are gonna watch, so so
don't go and schedule these things that may have huge
playoff ramifications in week one week two when teams they

(01:45:21):
haven't played because all they've done is workouts. Like to me,
there's there's a fail that happens and that part of it.
But when it comes to the seventeenth game, it's buckle
up and go. And we talked to Jason call our buddy,
longtime NFL insider and reporter, a little bit earlier this week,
and reminder, Google, Amazon, all of these companies they wanted

(01:45:42):
a piece. They might be in for a little bit now,
but they want an expanded piece, and that pie is
going to get a lot bigger. Unfortunately, it's offset between
when you need to negotiate the c b A before
those TV rights. Once again, he's Calvin Washington on Mike Carmen.
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the NFL, we just go yes, um and some of

(01:46:26):
the stuff they negotiate, we might have some questions of
it's really all about the the XFL because one guy
that had a cup of coffee in the NFL. He
doesn't will mock him next here on Fox Sports Radio.
But first his eyes are glowing, crowd, He's got what's trending. Uh,
And I'm gonna go take my foot out of my mouth.
Why I've got I've got my foot in my mouth

(01:46:47):
permanently and have been able to eke out a bear subsistence.
Having your foot in your mouth bears very underrated. We
begin in Major League Baseball and the three team blockbuster
trade that would send Mookie Bets from the Red Sox
of the Dodgers. Yeah, it still hasn't been officially completed yet.

(01:47:08):
In this morning Fox Sports, Ken Rosenthal and John Hayman
of MLB Network both reported that progress has been made
today in the trade talks, Rosenthal adding on Twitter quote
in current talks, Minnesota Twins are working hard to satisfy
the Dodgers, and the Dodgers are working hard to satisfy

(01:47:30):
the Red Sox. I might have put the verbiage differently,
but whatever. Anyway, Rosenthal adds, two separate deals are possible,
but all three teams involved in trade talks stay tuned.
In college basketball, Saturday Night Number seven, Duke and North
Carolina tied at nineties six in the final seconds of

(01:47:50):
overtime in Chapel Hill with two for the Winds. David
schimmde the call. Learfield i MG College. NBA Saturday Night
Lakers improved to thirty nine and twelve with a one

(01:48:11):
five to one twenty victory at Golden State Raptors of
the Brooklyn Nets one nineteen to one eight Team Toronto
now on a fourteen game winning streak, and in the
UFC Saturday Night, John Jones beat Dominic Reys in a
unanimous decision to retain the light Heavyweight Championship of the World.
Michael and Calvin back to you, Hey, you want to

(01:48:33):
explain to the millennials why you did your vocal inflection
a little differently at the end there. Yeah, I got
a sore throat. Thank you. Calvin. Say, there's a there's
a millennial. There's a millennial who has acation one year
past the millennial. I think I'm just too old to
be a millennial. Your grandfather, You're an honorary millennial. Keep

(01:48:56):
expanding its Millennial is not an age, it's a mindset.
It's an okay, star all right. I I love stop
t L d R one to answer you. Yeah, they
canswer your question. I think you're technically a millennial, then, Kelvin.
I don't think it's eighty one to like ninety nine
or something. This is hot hot talk on a Sunday.

(01:49:16):
It's a mentality. Baby, I'm a row. I'm gonna go
download TikTok, catch you later. There you go, my kids
and forbidding forbidden me to get onto TikTok, which means
you have a page you just don't know yet. I
created one just me. I'll tell you why. Because I
remember Twitter coming around, like Twitter, then Instagram, Instagram. This

(01:49:37):
is stupid. Would I want to look at pictures of
people in videos and people? What is this stupid? And
then you know, eventually you get on your and I'm
late to it. So the reason why I'm kat lives
because I can't get Calvin Washington on the won't let
me get to the end. There's no end. I get
all the way to the oh and Washington, I can't
get to the end. And then on an Instagram there's
a guy who posted who has Kelvin Washington before me,
has one post ever in the history, So I said,

(01:50:00):
the next big thing that happens, which in this case
is TikTok. I'm gonna try to get in early so
I can have my page and even if I never
use it, but at least I have my name and everything.
Oh nice, Nope, nope, some another Calvin Washington bb to it. Yeah,
there's a there's a Mike Harmon on Twitter that has
one one post one whatever, and so we went with
the nickname I got because they could never fit my

(01:50:22):
head and a graphic in a box when we were
doing videos over the Fox sports dot com, so there
were it was a conflation of a couple of jokes.
It was like, hey, that's a pretty good term. We'll
use that and think of it what you will. Now,
Sam was in my ears telling me he had a
good duke joke he wanted to get, So go ahead,

(01:50:46):
what do you say? You know, you run the boards,
you have the song. I'm gonna get some something. I
thought you said you get some booze ready, Like you
need to take a shot of whiskey after my joke.
Well we will that. That's that's a little Sunday afternoon
gathering for the for the team here, what are you guy. Well, actually,
I was watching that game and I was like, man,
you know, DUCOI seems to go in and they win
these tight games against other teams. You know here U

(01:51:07):
n C. How do they escape Chapel Hill with a
Chapel Hill with a win? Duke's just good at playing
the heel. How about that? Come on playing the hill?
We got it, saying us we got it. The horse
is dead. Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, I'm
like the kid on the playground when you have the

(01:51:30):
Crusty the Krusty Clown Simpson's episode where Homer goes to
Clown College and then the would be hamburglar is gonna
steal the burgers, and Homer as Krusty, says well not
on my watch and starts beating the little guy and
someone yells stop stop, he's already dead. Truly, one of

(01:51:50):
my favorite gifts to throw out when I'm watching a
sporting event that is gone awry. Well, I'm glad we
had it available for Sam's joke there. That was just
a straight it's just right forwards, simple pop like that. There.
You thought of that on your own or did someone
text between right after the game ended that um, it's
not that you got a career white right in some

(01:52:12):
late night out here go well, right for Jimmy, Yeah yeah, Jimmy.
Pick a Jimmy, Jimmy, foulon Jimmy, kimbl Jimmy. Anybody you
can get, you can get on there. Well, thank you.
Pick a Jimmy. I like that. There you have it. Uh,
he's Kelvin Washington. I'm Mike Armen. This is Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Sunday, Bad Duke Jokes with Sam becoming part

(01:52:34):
of the show here on Fox Sports Radio. As we
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The only hard part of it all is figuring out
which way is easier. Now. The XFL premiered yesterday, and
you're gonna have the critics out and you're gonna have

(01:52:56):
those that are just going to applaud the effort because
we're gonna get some learn Maybe there's a pipeline for
some guys to get back in. There was a signing
before their game today, the claim of Antonio Callaway found
his way out of Cleveland because let's just face it,
didn't do the right things, had a lot of issues,
but maybe gets a shot here he can go work

(01:53:18):
down with Mark Tressman and my guy Jerry Glanvil. One
of my first jobs in media world was butudding heads
with Jerry Glanville on a weekly basis for a TV show.
A lot of fun back in the day with some folks.
Well yeah, well, you know, you gotta come out with
some opinions now and again. He was always obsessed with
my um ethnicity. He was. He was really confused about

(01:53:42):
my cheekbones. So he kept trying to guess whether I had,
you know what, what Indian tribe, Native American tribe I
might have belonged to, or whatever, like I don't know.
I haven't done the genealogy, so I don't know. But
we kept in contact for a lot of years. It's
good to see him back on a sideline because he
is one of the most interesting characters of football. Another
guy who well was once upon a time, Johnny Manzel,

(01:54:03):
who's not in the league or the league. He's not
really doing much of anything at this point, but taking
the shots saying I'm not there because I'm not investing
in a place that won't make it till mid season,
obviously making a nod and a laugh at the A
A F where you literally have some criminal activity that
has to be investigated as to how things were run,

(01:54:25):
and some contracts and some other things along the way.
As for the XFL, you've got ABC, ESPN, you've got Fox,
and you've got Vince McMahon, who pulled out hundreds of
millions of dollars from his w W E stock to
get this thing on board. Probably has more legs than
a half a year. I'm saying, not saying you're in

(01:54:46):
for a twenty year plus run like the Arena League,
but you're at least intrigued as to what they've put
on the table. Well, it doesn't have to have five
twenty years if you're Johnny Manzel or if your Quarter Jones,
for example. All I'm looking for is this year, which
is the year we're talking about, right, we're sat Diamonds. Ooh, hey,
there's this this league that people are gonna watch, and

(01:55:08):
you're gonna have an opportunity to go out in there
and shine if you got it in you and do
that because, as we've mentioned, kind of the theme of
this show today is give me a shot, and that
and that and that falls in any line of you
know work. Just give me a shot, give me an opportunity,
go to the bar. And then someone getting in the eye.
How you doing? And so shooter shoot okay, and you

(01:55:30):
get that shot and you take it. And so the
idea that I don't want to invest in, they're not
even gonna be okay, Well what other what other thing
are you doing that is giving you a shot to
get back in the NFL. And one of the things
we like about people oftentimes is when they will humble themselves. Right,
you got to humble yourself. And if you were to
humble himself, go out there, ball out like card L.
Jones did, Like the the guy forgot his name who

(01:55:54):
was beat the l A Wildcats, you know, balled out
the walker, p J. Walker, he back p J Walker,
He had a four touchdown game. It makes you go,
all right, I see something going on there. All right,
you have a few of those. There's always a third
string slash second string quarterback position that needs help. I'll
remember a couple of years ago Austin Davis from not

(01:56:15):
only the not the Arena Football League, the Indoor Football
league was put on a roster with the Houston Texans
for a minute. This and this is when I officially
lost my mind with the whole Colin Kaepernick thing. I
was like, Austin Davis sounds like a law school, right,
some there's some business school. You weren't trying to drop
up a full on Colin Kaepernick discussion, I'm not. I

(01:56:35):
think we've slightly there's like a little bit little you
talk about crack door, Maybe there's like a little crack
in their left depending on what happens with you know,
some other things. But my point is they're always bringing
people in. If in Austin Davis can come into the league,
and if I'm Johnny Benzel, I'm looking at this man.
If I go down their ball, people have pleasant and
pleasant and good things to say about me. He's working right,

(01:56:58):
you know, he's working at this grade. He's saying the
right things. Good With other fellas, you never know what
to have that pumpous Oh I'm not gonna go to that.
That that rubs people the wrong way. And sometimes even
if you've got a little talent, they're like, I just
don't want to be around that guy. Well, it's every
job right. You gotta get the old Herm Edwards right.
You gotta get in the corners. Anybody can sweep the
middle of the floor. You gotta get in the corner.

(01:57:20):
The devil's in the details in any walk of life,
every profession. Everybody out there cramming for exams, same thing. Uh,
get the details right, see all sorts of life advice too,
between the hot takes. That's what we do. He's Calvin Washington,
I'm Mike Carmen. Uh. Two things I don't know that
I'll ever do or understand coming up next, and one

(01:57:40):
of them has to do with sharks. Don't listening, no,
Fox Sports. Calvin's got his song going on, a song
in his heart on a Sunday morning. Thanks for hanging
out with the sera Fox Sports Radio. He's Calvin Washington
on Mike Carmen and this is Fox Sports Sunday. Now.
Two things, uh, I don't know that I'm ever gonna do,

(01:58:02):
and one I really don't understand. The first is would
you like to do sharks first or would you like
to do the other Let's do well, Michael, there we go.
Let's do sharks. People have sharks. Let's start with the
Shark Story. Now we all have what you call bucket list.
Some folks have them physically written down. I celebrate the

(01:58:23):
movie of Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman, and I mean,
to me it was one of one of my favorites,
Like it had some some residence there. And as you
get a little bit older and you're watching your kids
grow and all this stuff. Not to put myself as
an old band, but you know it's it's a heart movie.
Get a bit of a reality check now and again. Right,
we're at the age you're losing loved ones and friends

(01:58:45):
are losing loved ones. And it goes back to something
I said a little bit earlier. Right the the helicopter
crash that claimed Kobe Bryant, his daughter Gianna, and seven others.
It felt like everything stopped for a lot of friends
and colleagues here in Los Angeles, right, because he was
part of their lives for two decades. Right, and we
watched him grow up and everything else. Just like I joked,

(01:59:06):
we watched and Andy Reid grow up. Remember from the
kick pass and punt competition all the way to a
Super Bowl champion. We got to watch him grow up
before our very eyes. But Kobe Bryant did a lot
of things we come to find out, you know, philanthropic
and others, but also a bit of a daredevil. Uh
comes out that back in the summer of two thousand thirteen,

(01:59:28):
coming back from his Achilles, he went to Guadalupe Island.
And anybody that's ever watched a nature show, you say,
Guadalupe Island, what do you think of? You think of
great white sharks immediately, And so Martin graft told for
the Win USA Today Outdoors that he went in to

(01:59:49):
got to see two great white sharks up and close
and personal inside the cage. And I thought to myself,
would I ever do that? The answer is that gotta
learn to really swim well. First, I think, although that's
really not gonna help me, so I know, but that's
the point. It's like, he's really not gonna help me.
But just in general, I don't swim well. I I

(02:00:10):
can fake it whatever, thank you very much. Uh. But
bucket list kind of thing. Is there something that that
stands out like this that you've kind of thought long
term you gotta try. I'll tell you this. I've battled with, uh.
One that my crazy wife has done, which is skydiving.
So for her thirty years ago, she said, I'm gonna

(02:00:31):
jump out of it. You know, I'm jumping out a plane,
and you want to go with me? And I said no,
And I do want to double check our life insurance
policies because you are crazy. And she did it, her
and her sister did it, and you ain't win it
on the life insurance policy. You ain't cash if that
goes wrong. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So I'm
one of those people that I'll complain the whole way,

(02:00:51):
but then I'll end up doing it. So, for instance,
I'm not even a big roller coaster ryan guy. So
I don't want to do I don't want to do it,
but I'm in line, right, meticulating line. I don't want
to do it. I don't want to do it. The
next up, I don't want to do it. They put
my seatbelt on, I don't know. I can't believe it.
Do it again. So I'm that guy. So I don't
have anything like Daredevili. I have cities and state are
uh in countries. I want to go to Australia, Jerusalem. Uh,

(02:01:13):
well go back to Australia. I mean that's you know,
and and prayers and thoughts to everybody dealing with the
aftermath of the fires there. But almost anything can kill
you there, so that is a little bit death defying.
I just want to just see kangarooty some steak, kangaroo steak.
Oh too soon. Hey, he's Calvin. I'm Mike. Continue with

(02:01:33):
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(02:01:54):
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and don't thanks for giving us a few minutes of
your time this morning, early afternoon, now, East Coast, whatever
you're do. When we got college buckets, we got more
xfl action of course NBA the last couple of days
before the All Star break, Kelvin and it's been a
fun seventy two ninety six hours. We get past the

(02:02:18):
trade deadline, put it into ahead of the All Star break.
In theory, those things should happen at the halfway point
of the season. But what's the difference. There's no separation
really happening in most of these playoff spots anyway at
this point. But the pageantry, the celebration and operation shutdown.
I would guess for a lot of guys this week
to get some extra days off, yeah, they're gonna enjoy it.

(02:02:38):
Takes some time. But speaking of the trade deadline, man,
you gotta show some love and respect to the Warriors
and how they're operating. Dude, you can say what you want.
Andrew Wiggins doesn't play dada. They don't need Andrew Willins
to be all world what they need. It was another
pass shot, dribble wing right, who can who has ability
to to defend when Draymond Green looks in his eyes

(02:03:00):
says you better defend and and he gets around the
right coaching and all of that that they have their
good organization, a winning organizations, because sometimes that matters too,
you know, I mean everybody's motors. We can't keep referencing
Kobe Um, you know, but everybody can have doesn't have
a motor like that. Some people need to be around
other leaders. Some of the people need to be around
other guys who are winners to say, hey, this is

(02:03:21):
how we how we do it around here. We do this,
we do that. That's why a lot of guys get
and it whipped into shape. And I don't mean physically,
but I mean in the right mental space when they
go to New England. Right, this is how we do it.
We do our role, our job. And I was thinking, man,
they get Clay Thompson back when he's healthy, stuff Curry
back fully healthy, engaged, Draymond Green, and then you get
Andrew Wiggins and they're probably gonna get you a top

(02:03:42):
three pick because they stink this year like this. So
I'm like, this is man, They're gonna be so loaded
next year. It's it's incredible. Yeah, I think one of
the biggest biggest parts to that trade. And it should
reset nicely now. The West just caught up a bit
right style of play and and shuffling the deck chairs

(02:04:03):
a little bit. You know, Dallas is a year ahead
of schedule. They're gonna be a force if it works out.
We watched, you know, Memphis shuffled up. Who knows what
they become. I mean they're a bottom feed or not,
but they at least seemingly have gotten a direction, and
maybe it gets Karl Anthony Towns to re engage a bit,
and maybe him and in D'Angelo Russell leaning on each other,

(02:04:25):
right because they talked about while he's wanting to play
together number one O two overall picked that maybe it
starts thrusting them in the right direction. But it's funny
you bring up the Patriots and Kobe mentality. It's we
talk about culture a lot in football, right, we have
to have the right culture in the NBA. The only
place we've talked about that is Golden State. You've got

(02:04:46):
one team. Like that's the euphemism in all NFL locker rooms, right,
go back and listen to every coach, every GM that
got hired this cycle. What is it. We gotta build
a culture. We gotta find our way. We gotta build
a culture. And that's great, it's good speaking terms like Cleveland.
We've got to build the right culture and attitude. And

(02:05:07):
I want to put what he said the other day,
uh Bury their new GM on a T shirt because
it was the most ridiculous. I mean it's like, yeah,
of course, give me all the entrees you want. It's
got to happen in the the actual locker room. And
with Golden State it's long established and if you want
to fit in, this is what you're gonna need to do.
And Andrew Wiggins for the moment, saying all the right things,

(02:05:30):
and I cheer for him because you've seen glimpses and
it's like you don't want a reputation to become you
were just too lazy. That's one. It's one thing. Hey,
I'm hurt or the team fit was wrong. They couldn't
get out of their own way. But when it becomes
you don't buy. Because Jimmy Butler helped push that narrative right,
saying I can't work with these guys because they don't

(02:05:52):
want to play, they don't want to grow, they don't
want to win. So he leaves town and so that
sticks on Andrew Wiggins. He's got to figure out, like,
that's the one thing you don't want to stick. I
was the number one pick who wasted my time. You
don't want that. And I do think one thing about sports,
uh really, in life, we always talked about the first impression,
but this happens a lot. So you're looking at a
guy like a Derek Jeter, you look at a guy

(02:06:13):
like a Kobe Bryant, you look at some other people
like when you have a big time moment and if
you're able to do something great, if you were doing
able to do something clutch, then if you do it
at the right time and the depending on the magnitude
of the moment, that will stick with you forever. So
like Lebron, people will say he shied away or didn't
want to take a big shot. Right, Well, if you
look at the last seven eight years, including last night's game,

(02:06:35):
if you saw it, they were I mean it was
big and they were they were up two or three,
and he hits the big shot to end it, you
know what I mean, didn't put him up whatever was
six with like dagger, the dagger exactly and he's done.
I remember that run he had a couple of years ago,
the post das he was ending. Everybody's like raptors game,
buzzer go home, the next team go. But forever people

(02:06:57):
are gonna say Lebron's not clutch and he's not that,
when if you look at the numbers, if you look
at the history of the last seven years, he has
been that. But first impression, so Andrew Wiggins is gonna
have to beat you know, try to fight past those
first impressions the first four years where that has been
the rep on him. But I think that's a great
pick up for them. But I'll give you another team.
You're talking about culture in the NBA. Yeah, I think

(02:07:17):
it starts from their president of basketball guy running and
making all the basketball decisions. Is the Miami Heat um
pat Riley. They don't win all the time, they're not.
They're not, you know, winning sixty five games or anything.
But he got a guy in Eric Spoister, and we're like,
who why and then they start to win. But we
all went Ostin's Lebron's there in d ways and who

(02:07:39):
wouldn't win with that? But you realize, man, Eric spose
is a real coach and he might be one of
the top three coaches in the league. As far as
I'm gonna coach these guys up, I know how to
get the best out of these guys. Give me. Give
me guys that fit this system, this culture that's hard,
knows tough, you know, guys who want to play together.
I don't need to necessarily a quote unquote superstar, and
so they But that's an example of a team. It

(02:08:00):
kind of has an identity and a culture. Memphis had
that for a while where it was like, this is
how we play. We're coming in here, we grit, we grind,
this is you know, and you kind of got what
they did, and I think it's it's a nice effort,
but it's you gotta get over at some point to
just saying we operate this way to the number six seed.
They know what I'm saying. And remember, Lebron tried to

(02:08:25):
get Spolster fired. He tried to get him bounced right away.
And we've had a couple of instances where there's been
talk of riffs and guys trying to flex and say
no, no no, no, hold on, and Spolster being the most
most obvious and successful of it. But I think that
comes from when I say culture, look at the top
from top to bottom. You know you got pat right,

(02:08:46):
Like nah, I Lebron, whether you wherever you we can
agree or not. He was like, all right, Lebron, you
want to go go like all right, I'm about to
be you know, kissing to the throne. Uh. And Eric's
by guy and he kind of created an atmosphere where
this is how we do it. Shout to Manto, I
was gonna say, you want to start singing like even
though I told you the saddest thing about that, right,
why he doesn't on the right set anymore. He had.

(02:09:06):
He got really broke in taxes and he lost the
rights of taxes. Come and get you man. Listen, I'm
gonna taxes. I'm going to jail for a year. Pay
your loans, pay your taxes. I'm going to jail for
a year because I can't lose the rights to This
is how we do it, Okay. That is in every commercial,
every movie, every sitcom. I'm going to babe, look, I

(02:09:27):
love you. I'll see you in three. I can't lose
the right. So this is how we do it. Look
it could be like Karen smuggling in the bread and
the meat and everything in you know, like Good Fellas.
I'm for man that that if now prison was that
with Paulie and those guys. Okay, easily doing that. I
gotta think he's not going to gen pop if he

(02:09:49):
goes montell Jordan's over tax evasion. And that's why I'm
probably he's getting a little bit more love than that
I'm doing. I'm going I'm not saying it's full club fed.
But he ain't going it all the way and I'm
coming out and I'm writing a song about it. See
why would you do that? No, and he's not getting
any not getting paid whatever is getting paid for this.
See somebody right now sitting here doing Iowa Sam excited

(02:10:10):
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he's got I want the Shack business book in the
Empire that I want some of the Shack stories, don't
get me wrong, But for andre Iguodala, you want to
talk about a guy playing a situation perfectly. I like

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that the kids on the GRIZ got mad at him.
I appreciated that every one of those young guys going
what you know, you don't want to come teach, you
don't want to be part of a team and help
guys find their way because there's a lot of talent there.
For sure, there's a lot of talent there, a lot
of young guys. And John Moran and I've been preaching
it for a couple of months now. Just like folks,

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you may not get excited about seeing them on your
NBA TV document or whatever. It's just from a name,
but that kid's gonna be something to watch. Dylan Brooks
to Jaren Jaren Jackson, they gotta yeah, squad Man all
came out talking yeah, Andre Gondal and I like that.
And you saw Steph Curry get back into it. So

(02:11:35):
for those who maybe didn't see it, uh, it all
comes out. He's like demanding, you know, demanding trade. If
you don't get rid of me, I'm gonna sit out
the rest of these blah blah blah. And so the
young guys, Dilon Brooks like, man, if you don't want
to go go, we want somebody's gonna play with us,
and then job A Rent tweets out the like the
blue face that looks like you're screaming, basically like yeah,
talk that talk Brooks. Curry then tweets out the picture

(02:11:56):
of Iguadolla holding a championship trophy with the number, you know,
the number three, three fingers up, saying this is our
third one and so that's all Curry does it tweet that,
and then uh, John Morant tweets to him a picture
of Kevin Durant holds to say, you know, you guys,
mighty got one, but the mother too because of him, which,

(02:12:17):
by the way, you can't get in the way of facts.
We got a lot of hot takes and opinions here
on Fox Sports Radio in the media. Anytime you want
to post that picture that Kevin Durant to tell you
what you needed, it's true. He I've always said he
made them, Dye nasty. He made them because I think
once Lebron and Kyrie Beato, I think they kind of
had the number and they never were able to stop.

(02:12:38):
Lebron and Kyrie was able to one of those guys,
you could actually say legitimately is a push between Kyrie
when they play against each other. I mean, I'm Steph Curry.
I'm sorry Kyrie and Steph Curry. So yeah, but I
love that. I love that. I love it, and I
can I get the paid respect to the older guys
and Iguadala, but like, look, man, we're trying to make
our name for ourselves. We're trying to build up something
here and you don't want to be part of the
thing going about your business. Well, respect still has earned

(02:13:03):
you might have earned it somewhere else. You didn't show
up and you weren't You weren't here, you were didn't
and being around the game, right at least be around
the guys like fight with the team as you were.
You weren't there for the young guys where they brought
you in ostensibly to help mentor right still with some
game left and we'll be curious to see after you know,

(02:13:25):
a layoff and it's not the same Andre Iguodal. I
know Doug Gottlieb had a at a long three. You
can find the podcast on iTunes of Doug Show Ours
here on Fox Sports weekends, UH look for Washington and
Harmon on their UH Fox Sports Sunday. But what do
you get right? It's like the also the assumption of
the Warriors. On paper, it looks great going next year?

(02:13:46):
Are these guys coming back? Is it the same? Can
you get the machine rolling again? Like I I was
laughing the other day we saw this Broder film right
all the Steph Curry. Here he is shooting jump shots.
Here he is getting the test. How's he not in
bubble rat? I'd have him in a cast up to
his shoulder. You're not playing? Why why am I getting?
Not that they draft lotteries the same, I get it,

(02:14:11):
But why do you want to come in and potentially
leap like ten teams in a two week period because
you're that much better than the also rans? You're playing
down the stretch? And I get the respect the game
if you will, like meaning, if I'm healthy and I
can play, I play. So I'm not mad if he
comes in, gets a few up games and shoots a
few shots, gets you know, just and also you have

(02:14:31):
this fan basis you want to kind of say, hey,
look we got a new arena. Here's Steph Curry for
But the idea that he's playing a longer stress of season, No, no, no,
we'll give you seven games at the end of the year,
depending on where we are in the stands well a
piece of crowd. And then you know you can you
can say, hey, I played and I came and I
showed up no matter what. The situation didn't always have
to be a gravy situation for me to play. And

(02:14:52):
then we'll move on. Let you know, everybody was getting
all excited, Well, you gotta pay for those luxury suites
or whatever else. Like, you know what, here's a meet
and greet with Steph. All be had. We'll see you
next year. You got a golf tournament. Step he loves golf, right,
But that's all it takes. Some signed photos, show up
in that suite. Here's a couple of basketballs. But whatever else.
It's like, show a little bit of love that way. Hey,

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I'll be back on the court come October. See you. Then,
just remind me something maybe come back. I gotta tall.
I just reminded the last week. Reminded me I had
something in my garage that could be very, very valuable.
I know you are about and he just wanted to
hand it to me. He's kelvin Washington. I'm Mike Carvit.
This is Fox Sports Sunday. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Coming up next, The Trade that Never Dies. Yes, Mookie

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Watch continues next on Fox. Don't listening to Fox Sports?
Pretty welcome back here. It's Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen
Kelvin Washington with you. Wake up, America, get it going,
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grab an extra cup of coffee along the way. Kelvin.

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The Trade that Will Not End. Joked about it a
little earlier in the show. You heard the updates from
Isazacloan Crown about the Mookie bets trade that sent some
shock waves and some big reactions, as in, is that
all they got? Is that all they got from Mookie? Right? So,
when you're thinking about all these high priced you know

(02:16:17):
and high valued, I guess not high priced yet they're
still cheap, but the high valued prospects of the Dodgers organization,
and it's Verdugo who's no longer the Golden Child. Right.
We laughed earlier about Kyle Kuzma. He's still kind of
got that Eddie Murphy movie Golden Child thing going on, right,
because he was the guy at the draft. He was
the emissary and he was presumed to be out in

(02:16:37):
a trade. Still there Cat with nine lives and Alice
Verdugo became the odd man out. Gavin lux is now
the untouchable, Dustin May is now the untouchable. So gone,
and again with Mookie Bets, they decided they were't gonna
pay him their heavy into contracts for a couple of
pictures some other things and trying to do a reboot,
much like they did in twelve when they made the

(02:16:59):
trade with the Dodgers, Adrian Gonzalez get rid of the
contract of Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett, etcetera. But now
it's hung up because the twins are out off of
the grad ls medical records uh and Bruise dar gradual
you gotta get the full name in uh. So the
twins backed out. So now it's trying to figure out,

(02:17:19):
all right, what's going on with this Dodgers Red Sox
trade and barring some active god, I mean, it's still happening, right,
It's the horses left the bar. Now it's a matter
of we we talked about things being okay, we agreed
upon the principle, and now we're just haggling over final price,
and that's I feel like we're here. But there was
a part to it that I thought was interesting because

(02:17:40):
players being asked to comment teammates ex teammates, and we'll
get into the particulars of the trade as well. But
people wandering aloud, hey, you know, did Boston just get
cold feet? Because the reaction was swift in the hometown
saying hey, we got fleaced, So who let's go we
try too for what? Yeah? So did they want to
pull out? They he's down that well. Justin Turner got

(02:18:02):
on Twitter, Uh, beloved Dodger here does a lot of
good stuff and big community guy. Here's a concept. Let
trades happen and then report on them all. These reporters
only care about being first. Meanwhile, players and their families
are emotional rex not knowing if they are aren't being
traded from the only organization they've known. Nobody cares who
was first, and that's Jack Peterson gonna get traded down

(02:18:25):
to Anaheim and he had his arbitration hearing all these
other things, and we saw Tony Clark from the MLB
p A he almost wanted to hear the Sarah McLaughlin
behind it. If you did a dramatic reading just twenty
a month, you two can sponsor this player whose life
is going to be changed because a trade got in

(02:18:46):
the wind from different teams. People blame the reporters. Okay,
agents and teams are giving them this information. They're not creating.
I mean sometimes they created and out of thin air,
don't get me wrong. I and throwing up against the
board when trade deadline comes up, right, it's like, well,
this would make through sense. We put it through this
trade evaluator, So this is what they should do. Or

(02:19:07):
if you're doing local radio, what are you doing? You're
trying to figure out how do we get player X here?
So you put it on the wind and all it
takes is one blog to create a nice headline, and
all of a sudden you've got a story that starts
running away. In this case, pretty clear they were working
on a trade. I'm sorry that the you know, emotional
wreck and whatever. He's gonna have to go down the five.

(02:19:29):
I think he'll be okay, Yeah, I think we we Oftentimes,
when you hear about a trade, at the last thing
you either hear or the small fine print is barring
the physical right right out of a hundred times, that
always works out and so you don't ever think about
the barring the physical part. Uh, but that does happen
every sport. There's a moment where you have this trade
that was gonna happen and they go, whoa, wait, this

(02:19:51):
guy has something we didn't see or you perceived it
as always just a little tendonitis of the whatever, and
we see it as no, it's arthritic, what have you? Um,
But all things considered, there should be whether to work
this deal out. It just may be that the Dodgers
have to part with another prospect. And the Dodgers have
been one of the better teams in all of baseball

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when it comes to their farm since they have been
putting out guys. You hear the names, you know, he goes.
You hear name a guy and name a year or
two before they come up, and you know it's gonna
be that guy, and they're they've really Jock Peterson ended
up having a solid career with the Dodgers. Um, sorry
about that, and get a little, uh little phone call
there um and then yeah, it was funny. Is the
phone rang, the computer rang for the phone, the phone

(02:20:34):
didn't even make a noise, but the computer did. That's
why you're right, man, I need to do that too.
Let me close that. I don't need it for the
remainder of the show. Um, but Jock Peterson ends up
living up to it, Julio odious whenever he is able to.
He's helped Corey Seeger clearly has lived up to it,
and and Cody Bellinger. My point is so for them,
they have valued their prospects. Uh and and if you're

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another team, I wouldn't Next year I get another posibly
because I'm like their prospects tend to work out well.
But how much of that is staying within the organization? Right?
I mean the player is going to be good to
a point, but part of it so if he goes
to Boston, Look, they've got their own track records, so
they usually do pretty well too. So it's not like

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you're trading him to a team that has been half hazard. Right.
Were we talk about cultural and organizations if you extend
it to baseball. We we talked about the farm system
in Los Angeles for a while. In Chicago, the pipeline
was rich for the Cubs. Result of one World Series,
the ASP the Houston asterisk? Is that what we're gonna

(02:21:38):
call the Houston? I just wow, how did I just
think of that? I don't know. I don't know that
I've seen that patent pending, patent pending. A little disappointed. Yeah,
it has been done, Okay, someone else has the trade
market and Asterix they've got T shirts. That's okay, because yeah,
but if they didn't trade market, that we could still create.

(02:22:00):
I don't even know exactly, never heard of him. So
do it live? Uh So, the the idea of being
you're you're gonna make this deal and for the Dodgers
do they need to do? Let me ask you that, Yes,
why wasn't enough? You weren't enough last year? Now I'd
still like another arm or three. That's a whole other,
but that's before the trade deadline. There's a lot of

(02:22:22):
baseball played, right, You're gonna win games, You're gonna win
your division. That's great. How long does this pipeline work
where the guys are still on there? It's like we're
talking about with the NFL and Dak Prescott, right, how
long do you get to work with the guy? And
in the NFL, the model is the Russell Wilson model.
By the way, he's got to get away from the
buffet line. Look, I'm not that shame and anybody because

(02:22:43):
I got a few pounds to lose. My man's been
living large since the offseason began. For him, he just
trying to keep a little girth, you know, just so
maybe a little stress. He's just trying to keep a
little girth when he's taking those hits. And now, I
tell you what, maybe Sierra lex a little Listen, Sierra
Man's okay, I'm the one to say, obviously's pregnant. She

(02:23:04):
still looks incredible, So baby, I don't mind you being
a little It's okay. I'll take care of that. And
he's got plenty of time to work it back. But
it was just funny he was doing the Super Bowl rounds.
Well that happened fast like well because they did it
to Ben Roethlisberg. I'm just trying to be equal, equal
opportunity for one quarterbacks you know, don't look like their
normal selves. That raised my hand. That being said, you

(02:23:25):
don't know when that pipeline ends, right, and all these
guys eventually have to get paid. It doesn't mean you
can't do it. I mean, you're the Dodgers, you've got
luxury tax implications, but they generally haven't, which is why
acquiring Mookie Betts kind of flies in the face of
some of what they've done. I understand that, But the
window doesn't stay open forever. In all of these sports,

(02:23:45):
right you have you know you've got a dynasty, and
you use that term loosely because there are a lot
of years between the Patriots winning it all. But they
stayed together and they won games, and they won their
division consistently, but they got over the time. Dodgers got
there twice, and we can talk about cheating scandals and
and what the dark arts. That was great? How great

(02:24:07):
is that that we got Hogwarts into this, so you know,
it was a young nerd that was writing the writing
all this and concocting this good good for them, But
like I do the nerd stuff too. We went to
San Francisco to see the new Harry Potter play. That's
how we know, that's just it. I try to evangelize
for live theater music as best I can, but when

(02:24:30):
it comes down to it, that window can close. So
if you can go make the acquisition to push forward
and duco may be great. He may be just a
guy we don't know. Like we've seen him in spurts
where it's like, all right, he could be that next guy.
But we've seen him in bits and pieces, and he
hasn't broken through to where he convinced the Dodgers that
that spot was his. Were not like Mookie clearly right,

(02:24:51):
and we're talking to m v P talking a World
Series title, but just in general, right, I mean, and
then he got hurt last year. Well, I think so
I thought about it. I like, Man, the Dodgers cheating.
I know you want to put it aside, but man,
if they they have to. Obviously you want to win
the game and players have to play. But I'll say
this quickly before we can get to what's trending that

(02:25:12):
if they won the World Series was that seventeen? Would
that change the narrative and so that now I don't
have to make a move And it's absolutely so. Therefore
I'm wondering if they're thinking, see what we're doing is working.
We had to be cheated because it went to get
seven games. We had to be cheated to to lose.
If you will to to be taken, a title be
taken away from us. So what we're doing is working.

(02:25:34):
What we're doing, we're right on the right path. Um.
But when you have an opportunity to get a guy
who was able to do you know, talking defensively in
the outfield outstanding, Uh, you're talking about a guy who
can hit thirty plus home runs, I think you go
get that guy for sure. And oh, it doesn't help
that the Red Sox doesn't hurt. Let's just say that
they're gonna pay half of his what nineties six millions?
David Price. Well, we'll continue with this because I like

(02:25:56):
the the where we're headed here. I think it's a
good conversation in terms of the battle over revisionist history
and how long a leash do you get after losses, right,
because you're never gonna erase what actually transpired. But first
we're gonna go over to Isaac Loow and Crown. He's
got what's trending in our sporting universe as we set
up a big Sunday in sports, what's up, Bilo, Michael

(02:26:17):
and Kelvin That blockbuster three team trade from Major League Baseball,
the news of that breaking earlier this week. They would
send Mookie Bets from the Boston Red Sox to the Dodgers.
It is still, of course, not official yet still but
today Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal and John Hayman of MLB
Network both reporting this morning that progress has been made

(02:26:39):
today in the trade talks. Rosenthal added the two separate
deals are still possible, but all three teams, the Dodgers, Twins,
and Red Sox remain involved in the talks as part
of the deal that would send Mookie bets from the
Red Sox to the Dodgers. In college basketball, on Saturday night,
final seconds of overtime between seventh rank Duke and North

(02:27:04):
Carolina from Chapel Hill, here is David Shumate from Learfield
i MG College shows with three with two for the
Window in the Blue Novels win it eight to ninety six.

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In the NBA Saturday Night, the Lakers improved to thirty
nine and twelve to one twenty victory at Golden State
Toronto over Brooklyn one, nineteen to one eighteen. Raptors now
on a fourteen game winning streak. And finally, in the
UFC Saturday Night, John Jones defeated Dominic Rays in a
unanimous decision to retain the light heavyweight title Michael and

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Kelvin all yours. Thank you. I find Isaac on Twitter
at Isaac Lowan Kron. Yeah. One of the grades here
in Los Angeles as we come to you from the
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call seven Auto. The only hard part figuring out which

(02:28:12):
way is easier. Calvin Washington with me on Mike Carmen,
thanks for hanging out with us on Fox Sports Sunday,
having the conversation the Dodgers, the trade and needing to
go and push forward. Right. We talked about windows closing
and legacies because that's the other part us being here
in Los Angeles. You know, nationally, I don't know that
it they necessarily got the gravity of it. It's kind of,

(02:28:34):
you know, not to mash them together. But what Kobe
Bryant meant to this city nationally and people appreciate the
basketball player, there was a lot more to it here, right.
So it's it's it's one of their own, it's family,
it's community, it's it's all of those things. And when
you talk about the Dodgers and the Houston Astros or

(02:28:55):
the Boston Red Sox and cheating scandals. You talk about
the legacy, I mean Dave row on the quote hot seat,
is he not anymore? I mean you know what I mean, no,
like is he not anymore? Because I've always made this argument, Calvin,
when you get into sports, you got A two B guys,
you got B two C guys. Or maybe they're an
A to C guy. Right, they take the rebuild and

(02:29:17):
they can see it all the way through. Or you
get them to point B and that's about as far
as you can get. Maybe a Mark Jackson for football
purposes of Marvin Lewis, right, take them from the bowels
of the NFL to whether playoff contenders and get there.
But they can't win. Right, So, but you maybe need

(02:29:38):
someone else, a change of voice to come in and
thrust you forward. Right, so Steve Kerr comes in their
gold state. Cincinnati is still wanting and they're trying. But
how long can you run with that? And I was wondering,
you know, you wonder with the Dodgers cheating scandaled not there,
how long does Dave Roberts continue. You keep winning games,

(02:29:59):
you keep aminating your division, but you're not getting over
I I I would caution making moves simply based off
of you know, like, well, we didn't win it all
because you keep putting your self in a position to
do it. Uh, And it could go the other way
quickly now in baseball, but I'm jumping on a limit.

(02:30:20):
I'm gonna say you agree that of all the major
four sports, that's the least uh coach and or manager
dependent like you can you don't need them as much,
especially in baseball now that it's going so analytical, where
guys are crunching numbers, g MS and analytics, you know,
and the guys who are handling an analytics are saying,
here's the best lineup, here's what you're gonna do, scenario A,
B and C. You just to make sure we do it.

(02:30:42):
By the way, we gotta put a face on all this,
you go be it. Well, it's funny because we've always
heard because we're inching towards the universal d H here, right,
and everybody always talked about how much harder it is
in the National League. Nonsense. That's that cent plastic thing
you buy before you sit down to play blackjack. It's
the same thing. What's my what ending? M I end?

(02:31:02):
When's the picture up and all of these other things.
It's you write the script and it's done, and then
you just decide whether you're playing a good instinct against
the numbers, right, I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing there.
I would agree, you're managing egos and making sure that
the clubhouse stays moving forward in the same direction. And Dave, Dave,
you know, he has had a couple of moments in
postseasons where you would scratch your head white and and

(02:31:24):
and you're talking about legacies, legacy postseason Dodgers, Kershaw comes
up because that conversation of did we keep him in
too long? Did we keep him out too did we
pull them too early? You know, there's no person I
think more scrutinized in the postseason maybe in all the
baseball in the last decade. Maybe him and a Rod.
If you're going to last decade, you know, the the

(02:31:45):
last just we guys a Rod to be that talent.
He wasn't clutch enough. And here in Clayton Kershaw, same
thing except on the you know, pitching end of it. Um.
And then then because of him, we have the managerial
conversations of how long did you leave him out? Um?
So I think Dave Roberts done a fine job. If
you look at again, they're they're competing every year. They
got a chance, and now, of course if they would

(02:32:06):
end up making this deal happen, which it looks like
it's gonna happen in some semblance, they're right back there
to be representing n L in the World Series. Right.
You kind of feel like they're right there, and so
I don't know if I want to mess that up
um or at least I got a shot every year,
and now this year, if you get another shot, maybe

(02:32:27):
one guy comes through, maybe have a pictured show up
that you needed, or maybe one guys get a hit
where you needed it and you win a that on
thing and then you say we went what three of
the last four World Series four? Be four or four
or five? And so clearly you're feeling like this is dynastic,
like we're on the roll, on the verge of something.
So I don't think I would rock the boat too much. Uh.
With regard to Dave Robbers, I know a lot of

(02:32:49):
people take shots at him, but I feel like he's
doing just what about teams, maybe even more than outside
of a Joe Madden where it's just we're kind of
presenting this, this this lineup for you. We're gonna have
the field of the team and how we're gonna operate
for the manager. Yeah, I'm not I'm not one of
those that's advocating for the absence of Dave Roberts because

(02:33:09):
the other question is always who you replaceing. But but
it's also from a where you're at in your continuum
and being a World Series contender and where the manager
is being different than all right, we went from bottom
feeders to playoff and now we're in a holding pattern
with this. It is partial performance. And look, you're gonna

(02:33:29):
get scrutinized if you're the manager in a World Series,
regardless at Los Angeles, when you're waiting thirty plus years
tired of seeing Kirk Gibson run around, I'm sorry, Yeah, no,
we need a new one. God bless him. I hope
he's well and I hope things are good, but they're
they're looking for something else. And I'm not a Dodger fan.
I'm not a Dodger homer. It's just the reality. Working
here and our friends at a M five seventy l

(02:33:51):
a sports flagship Dodgers, and we pay attention to all
of it. You just you're watching it. It's that breakthrough,
and it's that break through. But you're also saying to
your fan base because you took a lot of heat
this offseason. Now the cheating scandal doesn't help a little bit.
Yes and no, because that's not coming off the books, right,

(02:34:13):
They're not doing anything, not vacating it. They're not handing
it and throwing it up in the air for someone
to go grab it. The reality is you're still it's
a loss in the World Series, and slice it up
however you want. There were mistakes made and performances that
can't be attributed to trash cans, flashing lights and buzzers. Right,
Guys still need to perform because there's the other side

(02:34:36):
of that. Yeah, they might have you know, knew the
pictures we were we had coming, but we didn't hit
their pictures. No, that's it. We still got to play
of the game. We didn't find ways to score, right,
you still have to figure out the other end of
the game. So I know, talking to to Tim Kate's
producer any host pre and postgame Dodgers Talk, went to
fan Fest and you had a lot of frustrated people

(02:34:57):
because the they promised and talked about there being a
lot of changes this offseason, and we're talking a bunch
of minor, minor moves. No disrespect to those players and
their families or anybody that loves them, welcome to l a.
But the reality was there was going to be changed.
I mean, we're talking substantive, big name guys. So this

(02:35:18):
trade represented also all right, shut up, we went for it.
And maybe and maybe this was where they were referred to,
you know, but you got to get around to it,
you know what I mean. I mean, you got you know,
you know, coming sports for years. Sometimes they got boss
moves made ahead of time, like they are they were.
We all think where did that come from? They've been
been working on that the whole year, shooting texts. But

(02:35:39):
that's said. It's it's a lot of behind the scenes,
a lot of trying to make things happen. So what
could have been reported months ago wasn't because they did
a good job of talking about it and just doing
stath and making stuff happen. And you know, because you
often know you often also don't know the interests of
the other person because maybe they don't want to take
a flyer and if they have no shot at resigning him,
because that is that's keep that in mind. The fact

(02:36:01):
that it is a could potentially be a rental um
because he's made it clear he wants to get to
the free agency market um, which all goes what I think.
I mean, would you what do you want to leave?
Isn't it kind of funny though we're watching that happen
in two sports right now. I'm here, but I'm only
here for right now because I want to explore free agency?

(02:36:24):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, right, because you got in l A.
You got two guys very high. I mean, Mookie Bets
isn't here yet. They don't have the jersey up for
him yet, but we have presumed that happens. You got
two guys that are here for a year, and we'll
see what happens and what if they both win? Boy Q,
I love l a shot to Randy Newman. You want
to talk about a guy getting paid not and not

(02:36:45):
only that, he's got more Oscar money and Pixar money
rolling up. How many more tors toy stories can they
make to keep Randy Newman? I like that. That's the
raspy I just had five gin and Tonics, and I'm
closing out a bar. He's Calvin Washington on Mike Rmon.
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(02:37:05):
our play of the day, a little Oscar talk, and
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As we close up shop here on our time on
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(02:37:30):
Calvin Washington on Mike Armen. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
I see Steve Hartman in the hallways, pacing like a cat.
He'll be with you in a few minutes here, Am
I wrong? You're not? No. I've seen him go up
and down the hallway like he's had fourteen cups of coffee. Uh,
hell be Sunday outfit on? You know, you know seven
outfits is all he has? Right? Is that it actually

(02:37:50):
can't actually and say that it's seven outfits as much
as he knows what days he wears and maybe three
that he just knows the rotation, that's a whole other problem.
But I don't have time for that. They're not paying
me to lay anybody down on a couch just yet,
Steve with you in just a few minutes here on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, it's not for our play of
the night. This comes from yesterday's Big a CC matchup.

(02:38:15):
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intentionally missed free throw that went the right way. Practice
makes perfect. The devil's in the details, as they say,

(02:39:00):
But when you go thirty eight from the foul line,
you deserve nothing nobody to complain to you but yourself
when you missed have any free throws? And then you
mentioned the devil in the details. Anybody who's played you know,
I don't care as middle school or high school basketball.
At the end of every practice or maybe the beginning
and the end, you shoot free throws because your coach
would always tell you, so many of our games are
gonna come down to this. And by the way, that's

(02:39:22):
what also worries me about Lebron is that all of
us he was never a great free throw shooter, but
you know he was capable. He's become a horrid free
throw shooter in the last few years. And my concern is, dude, seriously,
we the other guy can't hit free throws either. Andy
Davis is good, he's gotten better. You know, he's had

(02:39:43):
like an insane clip like and I think he's a
like eighty They mentioned last eight seven percent he walked
due to a tech shot by the way he's shooting.
But my concerns, who has the ball in their hands
at the end of the game, Lebron and who else
do you want? You want him to have it? But
if you're the other team, you're like, we're down too
with the minute left, Yeah, we want you to have
the ball, Lebron, because chamis are you're only gonna make
one of those and we you know we can play

(02:40:04):
that game. So anyway, free throws. You made me think
of that when you made you uh, you know, mentioned
free throws made me think of Lebron. I just always
like when he does that, Clyde Drexler, move just head
down and just barrels into the lane, because that's that's classic.
Push the ball about three ft in front of me
and if you get in my way, I'm just gonna
run you down. He did that. I seem to do
a lot of that against my pistons back in the day. No,

(02:40:24):
they knocked him on. You know, my mama, Dub. My
mama had a huge crush on Clyde. Is that to
the point of my stepfather looks like a ten fifteen
year older Clyde drugs. I'll show you off. It's funny,
that's kind of interesting. That's the next level stuff. Out
to Mama, Dub. All right, you ready for the Oscars? Time? Ready?
I am ready because I need to get it over
with some of my coaches. That's all I talk about

(02:40:46):
living here, you know it is, Oh, no question about it.
Everybody's got someone who was a something at the end
of the credit that there. Yeah, And not to mention,
I'm so far behind on the movies that the only
thing I'm gonna be doing is watching and taking lists.
Haven't seen it, but need to. That's what you normally
do because it's something they all are starting to come
to your streaming services, like I got it. That's bad

(02:41:08):
box whatever you're using. Uh, not discriminating between any of
those who's winning best picture. I'm going nineteen seventeen. Yeah,
it seems to be the consensus. Yeah, another one that
I haven't Another one I haven't seen. I haven't looked
at the betting and told me about a parasite a
long time. Yeah, I haven't seen the betting odds updated.
But it's a curiosity. Nonetheless, just give it to Jatcam Phoenix.

(02:41:30):
Now just do it, Okay, just let him walk. He'll
give some speech. Rene's wegger for uh everybody saying she's
gonna get that. That would be interesting. I haven't seen
that one that was in and out of theater is
pretty fast. And and what other one missing cast or something?
I don't know, we miss That's about it. It's okay, Yeah,
but I'll tell you what the best combo, the best
duo that was us We dominated kelvin Washington. I'm my

(02:41:53):
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