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What's up, guys. We're back with another Lights Out podcast
with me Sean Merriman. UM, and we're going boxing a
day man, and it's strictly entertainment. Um. I know I
talked about it a few weeks ago with Jake Paul's
fight and been asking we got his his trainers right
hand man, J Flores, a former high school football player
himself but also a hell of a box who had
(01:51):
a hell of a career, And uh, you're not gonna speak,
you know, in the first term basis I was there.
I've seen the work they put in, um and just
this wold wild road that they've been on as far
as with Jake Paul and him growing the sport. And
you know, look, it's entertainment. Uh. He has a great
following the pay per view shows that they're entertained and
(02:13):
they want to see more fights like this. And we're
gonna find out next what's for Jake Paul and his
trainer b J Flores. Yeah, what's going on there? So
so what's next? Maybe you guys have been kind of
flying out and doing you know, I'm sure it's been
a whirlwind. And I talked to the trailer guys down
their Rhyan and everybody, and I know they're planning something here,
(02:34):
what in September or October? That sounds about right, Jake's
Jake's agent has been working on that kind of low key,
so I don't have all the details exactly, but yeah,
I mean they definitely want to have him back. I
think late August early September is probably the timeline they're
looking at. And uh, we got a couple of names
floating around right now. I can't really say because I
don't want to get any any situation where you know,
they don't want to do the deal after I say it.
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So so so so let me. I'm I'm gonna back up, man,
because I used to play You used to play football too, right,
so never never at a level like no, no what
I played? Yeah you all you all stay? Yeah? I
was all stay and then I was. Before my sophomore
season at Snow, I was a preseason All American wide receiver. Um,
you know, I injured my hamstring about honestly before our
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first game. I had three touchdowns in our in our
our final scramments before the games. The season started, and
I did something to my hamstring that same like the
next week, and I could just never recover. And I
was injured my entire sophomore season. So I didn't really
have a breakout year. I didn't do that good. I
had like forty catches, like seven touchdowns, like it was
all right with nothing crazy and and just kind of
you know, pushed me over the boxing because I played
(03:40):
by I do boxing half the year and I played
football the other half the year. But after after your
DUCO you go to Division one school. I mean it's
it's it's seven on football. You can't mess around. So
I chose boxing. So I always say this too, And
I think a lot of especially former athletes, to get
injured or come across something. Maybe I had a bad coach,
you know, uh put guy put in the bass situation,
(04:01):
maybe got in trouble whatever that is, to end up
transitioning over in the combast sports. What what do you?
What is you? Because I'm I'm pitting. I'm pushing guys now. Said, look,
if you get injured early or or you know you're
done with the game early, pick up, some pick up,
some form of combasketball. I don't care if it's boxing
and it may do something. What what was the deciding factor? Man?
It kind of push you over to to getting getting
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in the boxing. Well, I won my first national title
when I was ten years old, so I won my
second national title when I was eleven. I won my
third on fifteen. I won the national Golden Gloves over
all fifty States when I was eighteen years old. At
a hundred seven eight pounds of me. I was always
one of the top boxes in the country. And then
I won the US Championships, which is the biggest, the
tournament that they used to decide the Olympics, the Olympic team. Um.
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I won that in two thousand one, two thousand two.
I won every every tournament in America. I won the
four Nationals tournament against France and Germany and Australia. I
won the Korean China duels, and I started getting a
lot offers the term pro in boxing, and you know
good offers, you know the kind of money the in
the contracts that you don't really get offered unless you
know you're an Olympian. So that's why I went ahead
and I turned pro the year before the Olympics. But
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the kid I beat, Devin Bargash, he was the Olympian
for you know for two thousand four as a heavyweight.
I beat him all three times I fought him, so
you know, he thanked me whenever I turned pro a
year early. But you know that was kind of a
deciding factor. But what I would tell people is just
man like, look like, just just competing every day. It's
very important. I think it's just important to compete in
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anything you're doing, you know, in your job and you're
you're anything you want to just compete and it brings
out the best of you. So any guys who get injured,
you know, for like like hand to hand combat, combat
like this, it gives these athletes and their careers are
maybe terminated a little early from an injury or whatever.
It gives them opportunities to compete, which is very valuable
for from my mental well being. No how to question
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and I and I tell people now even why I
trained the way I do is it's number one mentally,
you know, emotionally, you get up. You got you gotta
reason to get up. But that's what you need. First
of all, you gotta a reason to compete. You gotta
reason get up. So great great boxing career. And then
you fast forward now onto how did you come up?
When the first time did you meet Jake Paul? How
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did that happen? I made him, I came out. I
came out to Big Bear before his fight UH with
Give January two thousand twenty. So I was out there
December in Big Bear and I started. I came out
as a sparring partner. I spared him twice and then, ah,
I just saw a lot of potential in him. And
he's really tough kid. I liked him. He's nothing like
what people think he is like online. He's nothing even
(06:28):
like that. So I had a real good experience with him.
He was such a hard worker, and I noticed how
hard he worked in the very beginning, and I really
like that about him. He's dedicated. He did everything we
asked him to do. Man, he was just he works
his ass off. So that that's when I first met
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because a lot of people do ask me about and
I said, look, man, this this dude works. So when
I came up, when I came up to the Big
Bear with you guys, and I stayed for those couple
of days, I'm not gonna lie. I had the same
outlook on on Jake, just as everybody else did YouTuber
social media looking for a tench and this and this,
and I and I saw something completely different. And we've
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both been around professional athletes are tied lives, so we
know how guys work. So the first thing that I
noticed is that he was a total opposite of what
I thought I was gonna see when I came there.
He worked hard, pushed through, didn't beat your complaint. And
I said, Okay. When I saw that, I said this,
this kid got a he got a real real chance.
(09:01):
And so I want to I'm I'm vouching on that
because I know a lot of people want to say, oh,
he's not doing this. If he's doing that or he's
doing whatever. Um so him being a raw athlete. Even
the day we we out, we ran on the field
on the football field that day, I said, Man, this
dude he pushes like hell. He he actually just wants
to win. He's a winner at heart. Man, you're you're
right about that, and you just and it's good that
(09:22):
you saw firsthand because you can. I mean, you've been
around pro athletes here. I mean, he don't won't get
his credibility until he beats more people. And I understand
that it's part of the game. But um the kid
is working, man, trust me. And and that's not even
that's not even when he started getting good. He's really
started getting good. When we went to Vegas for those
four or five months, he was sparring with everybody all
over the I mean good pros and he has no
(09:43):
business being in there with But because it's fundamentals and
his basic technique is so good, he can do two
or three things that will give anybody a problem. You
know what, it doesn't matter who it is, he'll give.
He'll give somebody a problem with. You know, even good
guys he'll give. He'll give problems at least two or
three things that he does really well, which I'm not
gonna disclose, but he uhs in the metals are very good,
his techniques very good, his spacing is good. He's got
(10:03):
a great left hand, which you know, Sean, the left
hand will take you around the world. Your right hand
will take you around the block. So he's got that
left hand and Muhammad Ali I'm not comparing with Muhammad alive,
but I'm saying the importance of the left hand is
so important, and we've really worked and developed that. So
he's uh, he's he's coming along really nicely. And I
know he's sparted the other pro boxes. So so when
I see people, what do you say when people say, oh, yeah,
(10:25):
he's fighting on YouTube or he'd been been asking what
do you what do you say to that? Because I
know and you know that he's sparred other pro boxes,
other quality, real quality guys. Are you just sitting back
saying okay, you just wait, or are you guys? Is
it kind of getting out of your skin because you
know what he's already done. If I disclosed some of
the videos and I gotta Jake beating up with some
(10:46):
good pros like trust me, it would be Uh, it
would be eye opening. But you know, in the in
the in the business of boxing, we don't do that.
We don't. We don't. We don't post sparing videos of
guys that were you know what I mean. We don't
do that. So a couple of straggler guys came in
the gym, we post that, but nobody that I respect
do we post just had a respect and just kind
of an unspoken rule in boxing. But if people saw
what I saw him the gym every day, man, there
(11:07):
would be no questions about it. And you've you've seen
a little glimpse of it, Sean. But even in the
last six eight months, man, he's really he's really turned
on to another level. He's really something. And uh, he's
just working so hard. He's got such a good team
around him. He so focused. Um, there's no distractions and
he just listens. Man, he's like a sponge. He really does.
We watch film, We spar we watch film. I believe
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film study is very important. I feel like there's a
lot of advantages that you can gain by watching your
opponent and in not having the old fashioned mentality like
oh I'm gonna whoop his ass, it doesn't matter I
pick up little things. I watched people what they do.
My dad was very big on film when I was
a kid. I would always watch uh the guy who
watch fighting. The next night in the tournament, my brothers
would be over filming them in the ring and I
would be fighting on one ring and the next guy
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who i'd fight, the winner, my brothers would be filming
him and watching. So we'd go home at night and
we watched the film. We break it down and I'd
have a full game plan coming in on day two
of the tournament, dame day three of the turn. And
I feel like that's something that I brought to Jake's camp,
that it's very effective. He's he's very smart, he's he's studious,
he pays attention, and we look for little things, a
little little opportunities that we can take advantage of. We
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we don't try to do a lot of things, but
what we do do we do really well, no no doubt.
And so he's going to continue to get better and
question and what no matter if and people forget that
he's only been boxing for a couple of years. Yeah,
I know, do you do you think? Ness? When I
watched Jake and knowing him as as a person, right,
I don't care about this, you know, everything else, but
just knowing as a person. So, but when I see
(12:33):
him doing some of the other stuff, do you ever
think just a little bit like Jake, that's that ship
is a little bit it's a little bit out there,
you know, it's a little bit too much or do
you say, you know what, it's part, it's part of
the sport. It is what it is. I kind of
do the ladder, you know what, kind of like Jake.
Jake's the social media you know, expert. He knows how
to get people, get under people's skin. He knows how
(12:53):
to you know, create a buzz. And my I'm moral fashioned.
I'm you know, I'm just like I'm gonna stay in
my lane. I'm gonna do what I gotta do. I'm
gonna clock in every day and be ready. But I
don't really understand all the other stuff sometimes. But I mean,
whatever works for him. But uh, I know exactly what
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the middle, Like I'm I got that old school like
me too, you know, I'm not I'm not doing on this,
you know, bullshit out here while I'm chasing God on
doing certain But then all so too, It's like, Okay,
(14:01):
the reason why Jake is in that position is because
he does some of this ship. And as long as
I think we understand, we understand that he's backing it up.
That that's most important for me watching him, is that
he's backing it up. Now people can say he didn't
fight a real fighter, and all the other stuff been
asking it was a real fighter, I mean, not a
boxing but he was a real fighter. And then it
(14:23):
almost reminds me of you know, I got into some
fights back in the day where you go up and
somebody like, oh yeah, he can't do that to me,
and then you go and you punish him and you
do something to him, and then the next guy said,
oh yeah, I bet he can't do that to me.
Then you you punish him, and so it's always another
guy saying he won't do that to me. Is that
what you guys seeing, because I've just seen Tyrone Tyrone Woodley,
(14:45):
you know, calling him out with some other guys calling
he can he can get it next to he can
get it if he wants to say, he can get
it no problem. So so you're you guys open for
a fight with Tyron? Would Tyron Woodley has no I
trust me, I respect him. He's a very very good,
very an m M A fighter. He's excellent. He's I'm
I was a fan of him. But he doesn't he
doesn't want to. He doesn't know nothing about that ring
(15:06):
like that. He'll go out the exact same way I'm
telling you can get it to no problems. We gotta look,
we gotta list of guys that can get it. Tyron's
on the very top. He wants to step up ship
he can get it too, you know, with all due respect,
And I'm not I'm not I'm not trash talking him
at all. I'm just saying that he wants to do
it's no problem with We're not going nowhere, so what's look?
And I agree, and that's I think that's one of
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the ones that um the people would have actually have
to enjoy seeing. And then too, Tyron is respected and
what he does, and so by Jay going out and
having a good performance, now you started to silence a
lot of these critics. What when do you thinking of
what do you think of the style? Because what I
what I see right now is coming from Jake's way,
(15:48):
and I know he'd do all the other ship and
it's part of what he do. But when do you
think of the style with somebody people want to sit
back and say, you know what, Okay, this dude can go.
I mean if he would have, if Ben would have
eight to the second or third round, then people would
have seen a lot of Jake's skill set. I'm telling
you these couple of little things that we do good,
It's gonna knock a lot of people out on telling
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you it's gonna knock a lot of people out. So
once we get into round two and three, then people
will see more of the skill set. But it's gonna
take him probably going two or three rounds and one
of these fights for somebody who's well respected for people
actually start giving him the respect. But uh, I see
it in the gym every day. I mean, he does
it for six rounds. He doesn't great rounds. I'm rotating
foreign partners in the whole time, bringing in fresh guys,
always putting him in a disadvantage to where any moment
(16:31):
of the fight, like he he's so prepared coming into
these fights, showing you have he is so overly prepared
for these fights. Like Ben I told, I said at
the press comments like two weeks for the fight, I said,
Ben has no idea what he's getting in into. He
has no clue. And uh and by the time you
know the bell ringstaff first, it's gonna be too late.
But I just worked so hard. I'm making sure Jake
is prepared for any situation. It doesn't matter what it is.
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A boxer, a banger, guy's got good condition guys, a
good inside fighter, guys are good on the outside. We
work everything. Bro, he's so overprepared for these fars. I
put him in with a million different styles as sparing.
I don't. I didn't only try to go find guys
like Ben asking. I found everybody. We had can't. We
had calls out to everybody. Bro, he's sparring, Bare Knuckle Champions,
Andrew twobets On, Pascal, UFC guys, m m A, guys,
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people from all over the play wrestlers. I put him
in with everything because that's what raises is boxing, I Q.
That's what teach him how to deal with certain situations
when he gets in the ring. Unless you've done it
and sparring and you've trained for it, it's tough when
you get under those lights. So you gotta put I
gotta put all these different situations in front of Jake
so he knows how to handle it when he sees
that style. So, Bro, he's just doing so good right now.
(17:35):
Everything we ask, and it's just like there's so many
names out there, like who do you think? Who do
you want to see him fight? You know? I think
to me personally, Tyron Whillney would be what in my
in my opinion because you got Taryn Whillney, who's a
champion in in M M A. He's been he's been around,
and yeah, I remember watching him in the mid two
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thousand when we're first coming on and just him, you know,
kind of progressive and being and whatever. Now and I
think by Jay Jake having a strong outing against Woodley, um,
I think it's gonna turn a lot of heads because
of how respective what he is now been asked. People
can say whatever you know, No, I'll tell you this
one thing to piss me off. I've have been asking
thing and I had a I had a solo podcast
(18:16):
like a week or two ago or a few weeks ago,
right after the fight is when people say the fight's rigged, right,
that's to me me personally that that was the the
ultimate sign of like, not even hate. It's like a
disrespect level. Like you got a guy like been asking
that is decorated what he did right, So nobody's taking
(18:37):
a dive. He's not trying to get his ass whopped
in front of millions of people. And then you got Jake,
who was put in the work to actually go and
knock him out. And I don't know what M M
a fighter. You guys are spawning a training with before.
But he called it he's he said that Ben, what's
going to get knocked out? I mean, so when I
seen that, I said, man, this this sucks. You know,
you hate you hate on this kid so much that
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you you're not willing to to acknowledge that this was
a clean and brutal knockout. Everybody who Jake sparred this
entire camp came out of the ring saying, Jake's knocking
been out, no question about it. So it's one of
those things where just like you said, man like, sometimes
you gotta get in there with somebody to see it
and believe it for yourself. And every single spar important
we had coming up the fight. After the fight, they
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came in looking at Jake one way. They came out
with a completely different look for him. So that he
gets people's respect because he does some a couple of things,
you know, a couple of things very very good and
uh he's he doesn't at a very high level with
this distance and his spacing and his taunts and his
jabs and changing levels, and it gives people a lot
of problems. Man. So people come out of the ring
if they spar them, they're like, this, this motherfucker really fight,
(19:44):
you really can. So it is what it is. He's
still kind of knew. People are like, you know, still
trying to get wrapped their head around the fact that
a YouTuber, you know, a Disney character third place in
the Challenger Games. He setting all this funny stuff to
like trying to you know, bring like show like where
he was before and out. But it's like people a
people are starting to catch on everybody that spars and
comes out of the ring and saying, man, this kid,
(20:04):
this can't really fight. So you know, we're hit in
the right direction. What what's the what's the Altiman goal?
Because I see he's, um he partnered with a hit.
You know, he got a hands front thing going on. Um,
he got a few. I mean, he's got a ton
of stuff going on. What's what's the Altsman goal? I know,
you guys mean is it for him to you know,
get to econom McGregor, or is it to get to
(20:25):
a big name boxer or whoever that may be. What's
what's the Altsman goal? With you guys, I think the
Altiman goal, I mean that's that's probably a question. Really
Ja could answer better than me, But um, just just
making big, entertaining fights with people that you know, fight,
fighters that you know, people that want to actually see
him fight, whether that's Connor, whether that's Nick Diaz, whether
it's Nick Diaz, whether it's guys like that. I mean,
(20:45):
those are those are tough, tough guys. Those are credible,
credible guys. I don't care you're talking about and the
and the octagon, if you're talking about the boxing ring.
Those are well respected, tough guys, and those are the
kind of fights I think that Jake wants eventually. Um,
people talk about Tommy Fury, the nephew of Tyson Fury,
who's you know four Oh. Also, I mean he's like,
there's a there's a lot of thing. How did how
did he jump in? Because he he was talking on
(21:06):
the behalf of of Tyson. Yeah, and so you know
I saw that Jake was you know, making fun of
as he as he do whatever, you know, with everybody.
But how did how did that happen? Did he just
jump in a conversation with Tyson? No, I'm not sure
exactly how it happened, but it just uh, all of
a sudden, you know, he starts talking. He's got a
good social media following. I guess he was on some
reality show in the UK and he's well known, so
(21:27):
you know, on paper, it kind of made sense. You know,
he's you know, Tommy Fury's tyson Cury, the heavyweight champions
little brother. I mean, come on, like, these gypsies grow
up a different way, man. These are some tough, tough,
tough guys, very tough guys, rugged guys. The father and
the uncle Peter. I mean, these guys are no bullshit guys.
I mean, these guys really can teach you how to fight. So, um,
(21:48):
that's another big name too. But uh, but but as
far as the m m A, guys like I like
Nate Diaz, I like Nickias. I like those guys. They're tough, tough,
tough kids from from California. Give him a payday and
they put on a great event, the big fight, and uh,
everybody wins, you know what I'm saying. So, and Jake's
ready for those guys, and and nobody in the in
the in the m NA world thinks Jake is. So
(22:10):
that's what makes it more in treating you know, people say,
oh no, there's no way Jake's gonna be the eight
years the next year. So and but those kind of
guys are tough, credible guys, and those are kind of
fights that you know, I like for Jake go, man,
I can't wait to see it. I'm just I'm happy
for Jake, man. I hope he's stay on his path.
And I'm happy for you, man, because I really did
this come to me personally being around you guys. He
(22:31):
he needed you around him, not you know, your discipline,
uh that you bring and your experience and then with
his mindset and the building build because people understand when
you're that big, it's hard to get through two people. Man,
you know, it's hard to get through. And for somebody
to be as successful as he as as young and
still be able to open his ears and listen, He's
(22:51):
gonna go places, man, So big credit to you and
what y'all building over there. Um, you know, I'll be
down there soon. I gotta come and see the Miami
Crib and check a lot down there anytime. Man. Well,
thanks for having on. I appreciate it. And uh, like
I said, just any any shedding any positive light on
Jake about what he's trying to do, what he's you know,
all the obstacles he's got to deal with all the time,
like all the ship that comes out of the media
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kids gotta full play. He's got a lot to deal
with it. He just he handles it so professionally every day.
And my job is just to make sure anything he
needs I got his back on whatever it is. And
more teams. So that's it. Now you're a blessing to him. Dog.
Hey but cool man, I'll come down that see you soon, Bro.
Appreciate you coming on. Thanks guys for listening to another
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What's up, guys. We're back with another Lights Out podcast
with me Sean Merriman. UM, and we're going boxing a
day man, and it's strictly entertainment. Um. I know I
talked about it a few weeks ago with Jake Paul's
fight and been asking we got his his trainers right
hand man, J Flores, a former high school football player
himself but also a hell of a box who had
(01:51):
a hell of a career, And uh, you're not gonna speak,
you know, in the first term basis I was there.
I've seen the work they put in, um and just
this wold wild road that they've been on as far
as with Jake Paul and him growing the sport. And
you know, look, it's entertainment. Uh. He has a great
following the pay per view shows that they're entertained and
(02:13):
they want to see more fights like this. And we're
gonna find out next what's for Jake Paul and his
trainer b J Flores. Yeah, what's going on there? So
so what's next? Maybe you guys have been kind of
flying out and doing you know, I'm sure it's been
a whirlwind. And I talked to the trailer guys down
their Rhyan and everybody, and I know they're planning something here,
(02:34):
what in September or October? That sounds about right, Jake's
Jake's agent has been working on that kind of low key,
so I don't have all the details exactly, but yeah,
I mean they definitely want to have him back. I
think late August early September is probably the timeline they're
looking at. And uh, we got a couple of names
floating around right now. I can't really say because I
don't want to get any any situation where you know,
they don't want to do the deal after I say it.
(02:55):
So so so so let me. I'm I'm gonna back up, man,
because I used to play You used to play football too, right,
so never never at a level like no, no what
I played? Yeah you all you all stay? Yeah? I
was all stay and then I was. Before my sophomore
season at Snow, I was a preseason All American wide receiver. Um,
you know, I injured my hamstring about honestly before our
(03:18):
first game. I had three touchdowns in our in our
our final scramments before the games. The season started, and
I did something to my hamstring that same like the
next week, and I could just never recover. And I
was injured my entire sophomore season. So I didn't really
have a breakout year. I didn't do that good. I
had like forty catches, like seven touchdowns, like it was
all right with nothing crazy and and just kind of
you know, pushed me over the boxing because I played
(03:40):
by I do boxing half the year and I played
football the other half the year. But after after your
DUCO you go to Division one school. I mean it's
it's it's seven on football. You can't mess around. So
I chose boxing. So I always say this too, And
I think a lot of especially former athletes, to get
injured or come across something. Maybe I had a bad coach,
you know, uh put guy put in the bass situation,
(04:01):
maybe got in trouble whatever that is, to end up
transitioning over in the combast sports. What what do you?
What is you? Because I'm I'm pitting. I'm pushing guys now. Said, look,
if you get injured early or or you know you're
done with the game early, pick up, some pick up,
some form of combasketball. I don't care if it's boxing
and it may do something. What what was the deciding factor? Man?
It kind of push you over to to getting getting
(04:23):
in the boxing. Well, I won my first national title
when I was ten years old, so I won my
second national title when I was eleven. I won my
third on fifteen. I won the national Golden Gloves over
all fifty States when I was eighteen years old. At
a hundred seven eight pounds of me. I was always
one of the top boxes in the country. And then
I won the US Championships, which is the biggest, the
tournament that they used to decide the Olympics, the Olympic team. Um.
(04:44):
I won that in two thousand one, two thousand two.
I won every every tournament in America. I won the
four Nationals tournament against France and Germany and Australia. I
won the Korean China duels, and I started getting a
lot offers the term pro in boxing, and you know
good offers, you know the kind of money the in
the contracts that you don't really get offered unless you
know you're an Olympian. So that's why I went ahead
and I turned pro the year before the Olympics. But
(05:05):
the kid I beat, Devin Bargash, he was the Olympian
for you know for two thousand four as a heavyweight.
I beat him all three times I fought him, so
you know, he thanked me whenever I turned pro a
year early. But you know that was kind of a
deciding factor. But what I would tell people is just
man like, look like, just just competing every day. It's
very important. I think it's just important to compete in
(05:25):
anything you're doing, you know, in your job and you're
you're anything you want to just compete and it brings
out the best of you. So any guys who get injured,
you know, for like like hand to hand combat, combat
like this, it gives these athletes and their careers are
maybe terminated a little early from an injury or whatever.
It gives them opportunities to compete, which is very valuable
for from my mental well being. No how to question
(05:47):
and I and I tell people now even why I
trained the way I do is it's number one mentally,
you know, emotionally, you get up. You got you gotta
reason to get up. But that's what you need. First
of all, you gotta a reason to compete. You gotta
reason get up. So great great boxing career. And then
you fast forward now onto how did you come up?
When the first time did you meet Jake Paul? How
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did that happen? I made him, I came out. I
came out to Big Bear before his fight UH with
Give January two thousand twenty. So I was out there
December in Big Bear and I started. I came out
as a sparring partner. I spared him twice and then, ah,
I just saw a lot of potential in him. And
he's really tough kid. I liked him. He's nothing like
what people think he is like online. He's nothing even
(06:28):
like that. So I had a real good experience with him.
He was such a hard worker, and I noticed how
hard he worked in the very beginning, and I really
like that about him. He's dedicated. He did everything we
asked him to do. Man, he was just he works
his ass off. So that that's when I first met
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(08:18):
because a lot of people do ask me about and
I said, look, man, this this dude works. So when
I came up, when I came up to the Big
Bear with you guys, and I stayed for those couple
of days, I'm not gonna lie. I had the same
outlook on on Jake, just as everybody else did YouTuber
social media looking for a tench and this and this,
and I and I saw something completely different. And we've
(08:40):
both been around professional athletes are tied lives, so we
know how guys work. So the first thing that I
noticed is that he was a total opposite of what
I thought I was gonna see when I came there.
He worked hard, pushed through, didn't beat your complaint. And
I said, Okay. When I saw that, I said this,
this kid got a he got a real real chance.
(09:01):
And so I want to I'm I'm vouching on that
because I know a lot of people want to say, oh,
he's not doing this. If he's doing that or he's
doing whatever. Um so him being a raw athlete. Even
the day we we out, we ran on the field
on the football field that day, I said, Man, this
dude he pushes like hell. He he actually just wants
to win. He's a winner at heart. Man, you're you're
right about that, and you just and it's good that
(09:22):
you saw firsthand because you can. I mean, you've been
around pro athletes here. I mean, he don't won't get
his credibility until he beats more people. And I understand
that it's part of the game. But um the kid
is working, man, trust me. And and that's not even
that's not even when he started getting good. He's really
started getting good. When we went to Vegas for those
four or five months, he was sparring with everybody all
over the I mean good pros and he has no
(09:43):
business being in there with But because it's fundamentals and
his basic technique is so good, he can do two
or three things that will give anybody a problem. You
know what, it doesn't matter who it is, he'll give.
He'll give somebody a problem with. You know, even good
guys he'll give. He'll give problems at least two or
three things that he does really well, which I'm not
gonna disclose, but he uhs in the metals are very good,
his techniques very good, his spacing is good. He's got
(10:03):
a great left hand, which you know, Sean, the left
hand will take you around the world. Your right hand
will take you around the block. So he's got that
left hand and Muhammad Ali I'm not comparing with Muhammad alive,
but I'm saying the importance of the left hand is
so important, and we've really worked and developed that. So
he's uh, he's he's coming along really nicely. And I
know he's sparted the other pro boxes. So so when
I see people, what do you say when people say, oh, yeah,
(10:25):
he's fighting on YouTube or he'd been been asking what
do you what do you say to that? Because I
know and you know that he's sparred other pro boxes,
other quality, real quality guys. Are you just sitting back
saying okay, you just wait, or are you guys? Is
it kind of getting out of your skin because you
know what he's already done. If I disclosed some of
the videos and I gotta Jake beating up with some
(10:46):
good pros like trust me, it would be Uh, it
would be eye opening. But you know, in the in
the in the business of boxing, we don't do that.
We don't. We don't. We don't post sparing videos of
guys that were you know what I mean. We don't
do that. So a couple of straggler guys came in
the gym, we post that, but nobody that I respect
do we post just had a respect and just kind
of an unspoken rule in boxing. But if people saw
what I saw him the gym every day, man, there
(11:07):
would be no questions about it. And you've you've seen
a little glimpse of it, Sean. But even in the
last six eight months, man, he's really he's really turned
on to another level. He's really something. And uh, he's
just working so hard. He's got such a good team
around him. He so focused. Um, there's no distractions and
he just listens. Man, he's like a sponge. He really does.
We watch film, We spar we watch film. I believe
(11:28):
film study is very important. I feel like there's a
lot of advantages that you can gain by watching your
opponent and in not having the old fashioned mentality like
oh I'm gonna whoop his ass, it doesn't matter I
pick up little things. I watched people what they do.
My dad was very big on film when I was
a kid. I would always watch uh the guy who
watch fighting. The next night in the tournament, my brothers
would be over filming them in the ring and I
would be fighting on one ring and the next guy
(11:49):
who i'd fight, the winner, my brothers would be filming
him and watching. So we'd go home at night and
we watched the film. We break it down and I'd
have a full game plan coming in on day two
of the tournament, dame day three of the turn. And
I feel like that's something that I brought to Jake's camp,
that it's very effective. He's he's very smart, he's he's studious,
he pays attention, and we look for little things, a
little little opportunities that we can take advantage of. We
(12:11):
we don't try to do a lot of things, but
what we do do we do really well, no no doubt.
And so he's going to continue to get better and
question and what no matter if and people forget that
he's only been boxing for a couple of years. Yeah,
I know, do you do you think? Ness? When I
watched Jake and knowing him as as a person, right,
I don't care about this, you know, everything else, but
just knowing as a person. So, but when I see
(12:33):
him doing some of the other stuff, do you ever
think just a little bit like Jake, that's that ship
is a little bit it's a little bit out there,
you know, it's a little bit too much or do
you say, you know what, it's part, it's part of
the sport. It is what it is. I kind of
do the ladder, you know what, kind of like Jake.
Jake's the social media you know, expert. He knows how
to get people, get under people's skin. He knows how
(12:53):
to you know, create a buzz. And my I'm moral fashioned.
I'm you know, I'm just like I'm gonna stay in
my lane. I'm gonna do what I gotta do. I'm
gonna clock in every day and be ready. But I
don't really understand all the other stuff sometimes. But I mean,
whatever works for him. But uh, I know exactly what
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the middle, Like I'm I got that old school like
me too, you know, I'm not I'm not doing on this,
you know, bullshit out here while I'm chasing God on
doing certain But then all so too, It's like, Okay,
(14:01):
the reason why Jake is in that position is because
he does some of this ship. And as long as
I think we understand, we understand that he's backing it up.
That that's most important for me watching him, is that
he's backing it up. Now people can say he didn't
fight a real fighter, and all the other stuff been
asking it was a real fighter, I mean, not a
boxing but he was a real fighter. And then it
(14:23):
almost reminds me of you know, I got into some
fights back in the day where you go up and
somebody like, oh yeah, he can't do that to me,
and then you go and you punish him and you
do something to him, and then the next guy said,
oh yeah, I bet he can't do that to me.
Then you you punish him, and so it's always another
guy saying he won't do that to me. Is that
what you guys seeing, because I've just seen Tyrone Tyrone Woodley,
(14:45):
you know, calling him out with some other guys calling
he can he can get it next to he can
get it if he wants to say, he can get
it no problem. So so you're you guys open for
a fight with Tyron? Would Tyron Woodley has no I
trust me, I respect him. He's a very very good,
very an m M A fighter. He's excellent. He's I'm
I was a fan of him. But he doesn't he
doesn't want to. He doesn't know nothing about that ring
(15:06):
like that. He'll go out the exact same way I'm
telling you can get it to no problems. We gotta look,
we gotta list of guys that can get it. Tyron's
on the very top. He wants to step up ship
he can get it too, you know, with all due respect,
And I'm not I'm not I'm not trash talking him
at all. I'm just saying that he wants to do
it's no problem with We're not going nowhere, so what's look?
And I agree, and that's I think that's one of
(15:28):
the ones that um the people would have actually have
to enjoy seeing. And then too, Tyron is respected and
what he does, and so by Jay going out and
having a good performance, now you started to silence a
lot of these critics. What when do you thinking of
what do you think of the style? Because what I
what I see right now is coming from Jake's way,
(15:48):
and I know he'd do all the other ship and
it's part of what he do. But when do you
think of the style with somebody people want to sit
back and say, you know what, Okay, this dude can go.
I mean if he would have, if Ben would have
eight to the second or third round, then people would
have seen a lot of Jake's skill set. I'm telling
you these couple of little things that we do good,
It's gonna knock a lot of people out on telling
(16:09):
you it's gonna knock a lot of people out. So
once we get into round two and three, then people
will see more of the skill set. But it's gonna
take him probably going two or three rounds and one
of these fights for somebody who's well respected for people
actually start giving him the respect. But uh, I see
it in the gym every day. I mean, he does
it for six rounds. He doesn't great rounds. I'm rotating
foreign partners in the whole time, bringing in fresh guys,
always putting him in a disadvantage to where any moment
(16:31):
of the fight, like he he's so prepared coming into
these fights, showing you have he is so overly prepared
for these fights. Like Ben I told, I said at
the press comments like two weeks for the fight, I said,
Ben has no idea what he's getting in into. He
has no clue. And uh and by the time you
know the bell ringstaff first, it's gonna be too late.
But I just worked so hard. I'm making sure Jake
is prepared for any situation. It doesn't matter what it is.
(16:53):
A boxer, a banger, guy's got good condition guys, a
good inside fighter, guys are good on the outside. We
work everything. Bro, he's so overprepared for these fars. I
put him in with a million different styles as sparing.
I don't. I didn't only try to go find guys
like Ben asking. I found everybody. We had can't. We
had calls out to everybody. Bro, he's sparring, Bare Knuckle Champions,
Andrew twobets On, Pascal, UFC guys, m m A, guys,
(17:15):
people from all over the play wrestlers. I put him
in with everything because that's what raises is boxing, I Q.
That's what teach him how to deal with certain situations
when he gets in the ring. Unless you've done it
and sparring and you've trained for it, it's tough when
you get under those lights. So you gotta put I
gotta put all these different situations in front of Jake
so he knows how to handle it when he sees
that style. So, Bro, he's just doing so good right now.
(17:35):
Everything we ask, and it's just like there's so many
names out there, like who do you think? Who do
you want to see him fight? You know? I think
to me personally, Tyron Whillney would be what in my
in my opinion because you got Taryn Whillney, who's a
champion in in M M A. He's been he's been around,
and yeah, I remember watching him in the mid two
(17:55):
thousand when we're first coming on and just him, you know,
kind of progressive and being and whatever. Now and I
think by Jay Jake having a strong outing against Woodley, um,
I think it's gonna turn a lot of heads because
of how respective what he is now been asked. People
can say whatever you know, No, I'll tell you this
one thing to piss me off. I've have been asking
thing and I had a I had a solo podcast
(18:16):
like a week or two ago or a few weeks ago,
right after the fight is when people say the fight's rigged, right,
that's to me me personally that that was the the
ultimate sign of like, not even hate. It's like a
disrespect level. Like you got a guy like been asking
that is decorated what he did right, So nobody's taking
(18:37):
a dive. He's not trying to get his ass whopped
in front of millions of people. And then you got Jake,
who was put in the work to actually go and
knock him out. And I don't know what M M
a fighter. You guys are spawning a training with before.
But he called it he's he said that Ben, what's
going to get knocked out? I mean, so when I
seen that, I said, man, this this sucks. You know,
you hate you hate on this kid so much that
(19:00):
you you're not willing to to acknowledge that this was
a clean and brutal knockout. Everybody who Jake sparred this
entire camp came out of the ring saying, Jake's knocking
been out, no question about it. So it's one of
those things where just like you said, man like, sometimes
you gotta get in there with somebody to see it
and believe it for yourself. And every single spar important
we had coming up the fight. After the fight, they
(19:22):
came in looking at Jake one way. They came out
with a completely different look for him. So that he
gets people's respect because he does some a couple of things,
you know, a couple of things very very good and
uh he's he doesn't at a very high level with
this distance and his spacing and his taunts and his
jabs and changing levels, and it gives people a lot
of problems. Man. So people come out of the ring
if they spar them, they're like, this, this motherfucker really fight,
(19:44):
you really can. So it is what it is. He's
still kind of knew. People are like, you know, still
trying to get wrapped their head around the fact that
a YouTuber, you know, a Disney character third place in
the Challenger Games. He setting all this funny stuff to
like trying to you know, bring like show like where
he was before and out. But it's like people a
people are starting to catch on everybody that spars and
comes out of the ring and saying, man, this kid,
(20:04):
this can't really fight. So you know, we're hit in
the right direction. What what's the what's the Altiman goal?
Because I see he's, um he partnered with a hit.
You know, he got a hands front thing going on. Um,
he got a few. I mean, he's got a ton
of stuff going on. What's what's the Altsman goal? I know,
you guys mean is it for him to you know,
get to econom McGregor, or is it to get to
(20:25):
a big name boxer or whoever that may be. What's
what's the Altsman goal? With you guys, I think the
Altiman goal, I mean that's that's probably a question. Really
Ja could answer better than me, But um, just just
making big, entertaining fights with people that you know, fight,
fighters that you know, people that want to actually see
him fight, whether that's Connor, whether that's Nick Diaz, whether
it's Nick Diaz, whether it's guys like that. I mean,
(20:45):
those are those are tough, tough guys. Those are credible,
credible guys. I don't care you're talking about and the
and the octagon, if you're talking about the boxing ring.
Those are well respected, tough guys, and those are the
kind of fights I think that Jake wants eventually. Um,
people talk about Tommy Fury, the nephew of Tyson Fury,
who's you know four Oh. Also, I mean he's like,
there's a there's a lot of thing. How did how
did he jump in? Because he he was talking on
(21:06):
the behalf of of Tyson. Yeah, and so you know
I saw that Jake was you know, making fun of
as he as he do whatever, you know, with everybody.
But how did how did that happen? Did he just
jump in a conversation with Tyson? No, I'm not sure
exactly how it happened, but it just uh, all of
a sudden, you know, he starts talking. He's got a
good social media following. I guess he was on some
reality show in the UK and he's well known, so
(21:27):
you know, on paper, it kind of made sense. You know,
he's you know, Tommy Fury's tyson Cury, the heavyweight champions
little brother. I mean, come on, like, these gypsies grow
up a different way, man. These are some tough, tough,
tough guys, very tough guys, rugged guys. The father and
the uncle Peter. I mean, these guys are no bullshit guys.
I mean, these guys really can teach you how to fight. So, um,
(21:48):
that's another big name too. But uh, but but as
far as the m m A, guys like I like
Nate Diaz, I like Nickias. I like those guys. They're tough, tough,
tough kids from from California. Give him a payday and
they put on a great event, the big fight, and uh,
everybody wins, you know what I'm saying. So, and Jake's
ready for those guys, and and nobody in the in
the in the m NA world thinks Jake is. So
(22:10):
that's what makes it more in treating you know, people say,
oh no, there's no way Jake's gonna be the eight
years the next year. So and but those kind of
guys are tough, credible guys, and those are kind of
fights that you know, I like for Jake go, man,
I can't wait to see it. I'm just I'm happy
for Jake, man. I hope he's stay on his path.
And I'm happy for you, man, because I really did
this come to me personally being around you guys. He
(22:31):
he needed you around him, not you know, your discipline,
uh that you bring and your experience and then with
his mindset and the building build because people understand when
you're that big, it's hard to get through two people. Man,
you know, it's hard to get through. And for somebody
to be as successful as he as as young and
still be able to open his ears and listen, He's
(22:51):
gonna go places, man, So big credit to you and
what y'all building over there. Um, you know, I'll be
down there soon. I gotta come and see the Miami
Crib and check a lot down there anytime. Man. Well,
thanks for having on. I appreciate it. And uh, like
I said, just any any shedding any positive light on
Jake about what he's trying to do, what he's you know,
all the obstacles he's got to deal with all the time,
like all the ship that comes out of the media
(23:12):
and with his training and everything. It's just like the
kids gotta full play. He's got a lot to deal
with it. He just he handles it so professionally every day.
And my job is just to make sure anything he
needs I got his back on whatever it is. And
more teams. So that's it. Now you're a blessing to him. Dog.
Hey but cool man, I'll come down that see you soon, Bro.
Appreciate you coming on. Thanks guys for listening to another
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lights Out podcast for me. Shawn Merriman, Uh, that's a
lot of insight. Man. It was cool for me, uh
to be there. And look, I'm I called myself between
her right because you know, I have old screw mentality.
You know, played football, you know back and early men
two men, two thousands, and football was different than and
you know, I always say it to myself. I don't
(23:54):
want to be the old guy and come back saying
oh yeah, it's soft now. So I understand the social
media side to understand and be um the discipline of
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b J Florence, who's Jake Paul's trainer. UM, and thank
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