Spanier and Torres: 12/01/2018

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You're listening to Fox Sports. Oh all right, everybody, good evenings.
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But Aaron Torres out in Hartford, Connecticut, right, my friend.
I am in Hartford, Connecticut. Uh. I was supposed to
meet you at the Yukon Arizona basketball game tomorrow. Then
you bailed on me. I gotta go by myself. Yeah
I did. I did. I'm like I suld And by
the way, we've always been about like a four hour
drive for me. You it was like what four hours

(00:43):
by telephone from you coming out from Los Angeles. But
I could have easily just drove four hours. We could
have done the show together for the first time. We
could have gone to the game. But the game was
like one o'clock. I have NFL Sunday tomorrow. Oh, come on,
it's over. I mean the Cowboys are gonna win the
Super Bowl. I mean we saw at all on Thursday night.
What do you even need to watch the NFL for?
At this point, I want you to know something. In

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the six years Planket I've been doing the show on Sunday,
I don't think Arizona ever played Oklahoma in anything, football, basketball, softball, baseball, nothing.
Here we are, what six months in and already Yukon
and Arizona. It's a sign that maybe you and I

(01:25):
were meant to be together. Aren't he? That sound creepy
enough for you? Creepy, very creepy. Maybe it's good he
didn't come in the studio tonight exactly. Look, it's a
busy show. Lots to get to. Uh you can get
ahold of Air and that Aaron Underscore tours. I'm at
stinkin Genius one. Ryan Fowler is going to join us
at the bottom of the hour or Alabama Insider. Obviously

(01:45):
he's got a lot to say about what happened in
the Alabama game today. A matter of fact, let's let's
just go ahead and start with that. Let's just initially
kind of ease our way into this. First of all,
what did you think about the game? Overall? I thought
it was an instant classic. I enjoyed every second of it. Likewise, Arnie, Um,
you know this is like one of the like this
is why we like sports, right is that? Um? You

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know we watch we don't know what's gonna happen all
that stuff. Alabama of course, not only falling behind early
but looking sloppy. Obviously a lot of that has to
do with Georgia. But the narrative at the end, right,
it's not even that they came back in one. It's
that the guy that got knocked out against Georgia last
year gets forced into action. This was a kid that

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you and I areny spent all August. Is he gonna transfer?
Is he gonna leave? He stays, He puts him on
his back, He leads him to a victory. It was unbelievable,
as you said, instant classic, Arnie. You know it might
be that old movie Heaven Can Wait. Have you ever
seen that movie? You know what I'm talking about. I've
heard of it, I've never seen Jeez, why do you
have to be so young? I don't understand that, or

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I'm just why do I have to be so old?
I don't even want to get into it. But it
was just like a Hollywood script and really, like I said,
I mean to think that you're down by fourteen and
it's looking bad. And not only down by four team too.
Let's say it's a team that was like a three
touch down underdog and you're like, Okay, they're gonna catch up.

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This is like the number four team in the country.
This is this is almost your equal. This team has
been in it before. It is like, you know, they
don't know what adversity is. So um to come back
from something like that, as you mentioned, after your starting
quarterback got out even though he was not having a
great game anyway, and Jaloen Hurts comes in and by
the way, you know Jalen Hurts just about three or

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four weeks ago. Um, that guy could barely even jog.
Thank goodness he didn't have to come into the game
back then. That guy, uh was going through some major
injuries and you can tell he's still not a hundred
Errand no, that's that's a great point, arn'tie? Is that? Um?
I think the word Hollywood script that you used is
so accurate. This was a kid. He had every reason

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to leave that school, every reason to say, you know what,
I went whatever it was twenty five and two as
a starter. I lose my job at halftime of the
National Championship game, and you expect me to stand on
the sideline and route for the other guy. Only that's
exactly what he did, and we'll ask Ryan about it
at the top of the hour. But from my understanding,
never complained. And look, too, had a phenomenal year. It's

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hard to argue with being replaced by a guy that's
gonna end up potentially probably winning the Heisman Trophy. But
for that kid to to stick by. Here's the other thing, too,
aren'ty not just stick by? Be ready to go when
he was called. It's one thing to sulk on the
sidelines and say, well, I'm gonna leave at the end
of the year. Anyways, who cares. He was ready to

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go the second his number was called, and he is
the reason that Alabama is the SEC champ and will
be the number one seed to win the playoff four
announced tomorrow. All Right, I know a lot of people
are watching the games, but they're listening to the show
you use Twitter tonight After what we saw Aaron underscore
torres um at stinking genius one um and of course

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the first question everybody's doing out there all over Twitter
is who's still this starting quarterback in five weeks from that?
Was it too uh or is it Jalen Hurts It?
In my opinion, it's still to uh unless the injury is,
you know, so much more severe that we don't know.
I figure if he's close to being or he should

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be good to go on the starting quarterback eron. Yeah, absolutely,
I'm totally with you. Arnie is to uh for all
the reasons that we've seen through thirteen games you know
this year, I guess twelve twelve and three quarters since
he got knocked out at the beginning of the fourth there, Um,
you know, there's a reason that he won the job
and that it was never really a debate once he
got in there. Uh. He is the more complete guy.

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He makes more plays with his arm. Uh. Not quite
the runner that Jalen Hurts is, but but is the
more complete quarterback. I'll say this though, Arnie, when he
was under pressure today, he did not look great. He
being too ah and I'm not I I think he
deserves Deserve isn't the right word. He should be the
starter because he gives them the best chance to win.

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Whoever it is that they play, whether it's Oklahoma weather,
it's Ohio State, whether it's potentially Georgia, which we might
even get into. When you give him the best chance
to win. What was Jalen Hurts his record as a starter.
It's a great point, I think, and two I thought
it was like one. But whatever it is, go ahead, Yeah, yeah,
I mean uh, I mean, by the way, one of
those losses was in the National Championship game when Deshaun

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Watson threw a touchdown pass on the last play of
the game, So it's it's and by the way, Jalen
Hurts to lead them on a touchdown drive a minute before.
So the point being is no. I mean, look, I
think two is the more complete quarterback. But I'll say, Arnie,
I thought when he was actually under pressure today, there
were some bad decisions there was he seemed a little

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slow and going through his progressions. And look, I'm not
a an xs and O's genius here, and I'm not
gonna sit here and pretend to be a quarterback guru.
But I'm just saying I wouldn't be stunned. I think
Two was gonna start if he's healthy. But I think
if you're Nick Saban, you've done it. Once. You gotta
have a quick trigger, right, if it doesn't play well,
don't you gotta have a quick trigger. It all depends

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on health, and no, I don't have to have a
quick trigger. What do you what's wrong with you? On?
What's after? What you've seen of two? I mean, my goodness,
do you think there's any better quarterback, not only on
your team but in the country. You're you're fooling yourself.
He's aeron underscore torres um at stinking genius. One. Before
we get into Georgia. Had Alabama just let's say, lost

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by seven points, maybe fourteen points, will keep it within
anywhere between seven and fourteen, any chance they still would
have gotten it as the number four seed Georgia, No, Alabama?
Had they? Yeah, it would have been interesting, right because
that's been the narrative throughout the entire last week or so,
because people were talking about Georgia getting in is the

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fourth seed? Well, then Alabama certainly would have been a
better case for that. I totally agree, and I do
think Alabama would have gotten in. And by the way,
the playoff committee would not have been happy with potentially
leaving out the ten champ potentially the big twelve champ. Obviously,
the Pact twelve has a three lost champ in Washington,
but I do think Alabama would have been in. I mean,

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if it had been a close, competitive game, which it
obviously trended to, how can you leave out Alabama? Alabama
would have had one loss to the number four team
in the country, and they beat everybody they played by
twenty two points this year. So I think the committee
dodged a pretty big bullet with Alabama winning that game
coming back to win. I mean, I don't know where
you stand on it. I think you would have had

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to put Alabama in there somewhere. I think I would
have had to agree with you. They would have been
the number four seed there. But now we know three
teams are in. It's Alabama, Clemson, No Tree, Dame. Uh.
The only question is who's going to be the fourth team?
I thought stop, I thought it was going to go
ahead and be Oklahoma. But now on Twitter and all

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over the country, a last second, uh ditch effort for
Georgia because I guess Nick Saban at the end of
the game said Georgia was the best team that they've
played all year long. Sure, but then played Oklahoma I
haven't played Ohio State. I mean, look, I've seen the
comments from Kirby Smartman. I believe Kirby smarts direct quote
was asked Nick Saban if he wants to play us again.

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I don't know about you, Arnie, but Georgia has two losses.
They lost to the two best teams on their schedule,
and even if we put George in the playoffs, went
on the road against Yes, and and one to the
number one team in the country, which they had on
the ropes. Yes, but I would I would counter that
with you can flip it and say Alabama had their
starting quarterback knocked out, they had too to excuse me,

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interceptions in the red zone. I mean, Georgia had every
chance to win and couldn't win. And so to me,
that was your playoff right there. That was your opportunity
to make your statement improve you belong. I just look
at George as a two lost team, and I say,
what are we gonna put them for? What are we
gonna put them in the playoff force so they can
they can fall apart again against Alabama and the fourth quarters.

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So let me ask you a question. The boss calls
up and said, Aaron, you need to make a pick.
You get the pick wrong, you're fired. Right a week,
so it's okay. So here he goes, I want to know.
You get the pick wrong, you're fired. Okay, Oklahoma's playing
Georgia who you're taking. Remember, you pick wrong, you're fired. Okay.

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Well that that that you already answered the question. I didn't.
I didn't the fact that you had to go ahead
and well the answers the question. I actually completely disagree
with you, my friend, because that was me saying that
was pretty good, right to me, impersonating myself, that was good. Um,
that was me debating internally in my head, which means

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that there is no clear answer, which means that when
there's wait, wait, wait, wait, wait what Because I'm asking
you for the top four teams. So if you're are
you having that much trouble with the fourth team, then
it can't go by record. Look, you're a which basketball guy.
If I asked you who's better Middle Tennessee State at
thirty five and one or Duke at thirty and five,

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who are you gonna say? If they're coming down to
the last spot. I don't think they would be. No,
But I mean, who would you say, would get a
higher seed. You're not gonna go by record, as my point, sure,
but I mean if that's the case, then you gotta
go with Ohio State, right, I mean, they have the
most talent on paper of anybody not named Alabama and
college football are are they? Do you feel they're one

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of the best teams in the top four teams? I
will say this I and I honestly feel this way.
Ohio State at their absolute best, I do think is
one of the four best teams in the country. I
don't think we've seen that absolute best except for one
game against Michigan. They got the Michigan game. You're you're
talking about Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio State. What about

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the Purdue game? I mean that was just miserable. What
about Georgia's second half against Alabama? Tay, that was miserable.
What about George's game against LSU That was miserable too.
By the way, Jay Carnegie said that if Georgia played
Ohio State, Georgia would be a six and a half
point favorite. If Georgia played Oklahoma, Georgia would be a

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three and a half point favorite. If Oklahoma played Ohio State,
Oklahoma would be a two and a half point favorite.
So what he's really saying is Georgia is better than Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is better than Ohio State, you know. And I
would say to him, Arnie, what was the point spread
for Team USA against the USSR. Upsets can happen, Arenie,

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you can't strictly go by Vegas. Sometimes you have to
use the tangible results that you have on paper. And
it's like I told you, but you're not in the
this is not You're not in the upset business. Your
your job on the committee is to give me the
top four teams. That's what your job is. What makes
them one of the four best. And I'm not disagree.
I'm just curious what your argument is that they're one

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of the four best because they played Alabama tough well
one that their schedules a lot, a lot harder to
Before they lost Alabati, the only game they had lost
was to a tough LSU team on the road, and
we've seen what LSU has done this year. Okay, Three,
I'm tired of rewarding um and I'm not picking any
team particularly, but you know, I'm tired of rewarding some

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of these conferences where they played no defense, Oh Glahoma.
So um, Let's be honest, you would not pick. You
had a tough time picking the fourth team. You know
who the fourth team is. It's very well Georgia. Just
because they have two losses, You've got a problem with
that though. I just think that they had their chance
to make their statement today and they had a as

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you said, a four. I think they made their statement
today by blowing a fourteen point lead to a backup quarterback.
The number what even the country they had on the
ropes and who they played better than anybody I've seen
in a long time on the ropes doesn't count, Arnie,
What is on the ropes mean? I got? You know,
let me hear what the people gotta say. Aaron on
the score tours, I'm at stinking genius. One will come.

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We'll talk about the Oklahoma game, We'll talk about some
of the late games. We'll we'll get you caught up
in that Ryan Fowler coming up at the bottom of
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talk Saturday Night, no doubt about that. If you want
to get in, you want to get through Twitter. Aaron
underscore Torres, I'm at stinking Genius one. Paul tweets and
I was worried about you talking to Aaron Torres. I
thought you were flying over JFK and made an emergency landing.
And now that you're stuck in Hertford, Connecticut. So people
kind of taking offense that you're in Hartford, Connecticut. There
shots fired at my hometown. Come on, I'm just I'm

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just here trying to do a radio show rudal my
Huskies tomorrow. What's so wrong with that? Gator Hitter said,
did you guys just e quate Georgia versus LSU to
Ohio verse per dump h Yeah, I said it was
sounding like you're drunk, dude? Did that? That was? That
was your comparison? My comparison was that we cannot Basically,

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you were saying, well, you know, if Ohio states can't
go by total losses is what I'm saying. Yeah, but
I do think that that is one variable in the
equation that we're trying to figure out. Right Like like,
George's argument is we played a good team really close.
That's the lamest argument that I've ever heard in my life.
We're gonna have Oklahoma Conference champion, one loss, avenge that

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only lost Ohio State not looking very good right now
in my dad eleven and one beat a top ten
team to get to the Big Ten Championship Conference champion.
George's resume is, oh, we we played Alabama really tough.
We tried really hard because there was a middle school games.

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I sound like Rob Parker right now, but I'll tell
you what that Benjamin says, all right, and then we
knew we were gonna get to this sometime during the night.
You see F football is the team that's most disrespected
group of athletes in sports. UH calls home Stick of
Genius has already disrespected you in the first twelve minutes
of tonight show. Well, Torres, defend you. I'm listening. I

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think you CEF has more of an argument to get
in the playoff in Georgia does. I'll tell you that much.
Why do you think you U? C F one is
a better team than Georgia. I think that Georgia had
multiple opportunities to prove that they deserve a shot, and
they blew them to L. S U and Alabama. U
c F still hasn't lost a game in over two years.
I'm not saying that U c F would be any

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better against Alabama. Every metrics says they wouldn't be. But
George already had their shot. I mean to me, Arnie,
this reminds me of remember the year that L. S
U and Alabama played for the National Championship after they
played in the regular season, and the argument becomes, first
of all, Georgia two years in a row had Alabama
on the ropes and couldn't close. How many opportunities do
we give them, Like if they lose by another by

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one in the playoff, do they get to play them
again the next week or do we have to move on?
Like at a certain point we just have to move on.
Georgia isn't there yet. They're not on that same level.
Clemson has beaten them, They've played with them. Notre Dame
is undefeated. They played a tough schedule. Oklahoma has beaten
Alabama and big bowl games dating back a few years
to that Sugar Bowl, Georgia has had two opportunities to

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beat Alabama and cunn't. So you want me to reward
a team that has not played anybody in the top
twenty in Central Florida and say, okay, here guys, go
play for a national championship. That's what driv me to do.
And by the way, it's not a cumulative two year
record that gets you into this year's playoffs. So it
makes no difference that they want on defeated last year.
You know it doesn't. But I mean, don't we use

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kind of history to form opinion? Know there's none whatsoever.
If we use history, then an army would be in
the fourth team playoff. No, see, I disagree. I think
people are saying, well, george has played Alabama tough two
years in a row. They're right on the brink. They
made it last year, and look at how good they
did in the championship game against Alabama. I don't care
about that. I think we do that all the time.
I think, by the way, I think we're doing it

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with Notre Dame right now. Notre Dame has looked bad
in big Bowl games. People saying well, they're not one
of the four best teams. Why they beat everybody on
their schedule. They beat good teams, by the way, real quick.
What did you think in the Georgia Alabama game. I
don't even remember the exact situation, but it was fourth
down and they did the fake punt that what was

(18:24):
it fourth at the leven? I know it fourth and eight.
I'm not sure what it was, but Alabama was in
the they weren't in punt return mode. They were like
they were watching for the fake. It was miserably you know, done,
and they didn't get the first and that was when
the game was tied. It was funny. I actually had
somebody on Twitter tell me that that play alone should

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disqualify Georgia from the College Football Playoff because that was
the dumbest play of the season. Arny looked. I mean,
I think, honestly, Kirby Smart really made some bad decisions
down the stretch, and I think his youth in in
his uh not having been in these situations showed. First
of all, I don't even know, people didn't even talk
about it. Kirby Smart took out Jake from to start

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that drive, the biggest drive of his season. Potential SEC
Championship College football playoff on the line. He puts in
his backup quarterback to run the wildcat for one play
that was to pick up the first down. No, he
started at the top of the drive and he got nowhere,
and so you add that in with the fake punt,
and I just think he froze. I mean, that's one

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where if you're the special teams coordinator or you're the whoever,
you gotta get on your coach and say we can't
do that, coach. Is a tie game And to your point,
arready say what you you know, I've had I've been
critical of Georgia, but George's defense did make plays throughout
the game, and I think that totally gave Alabama even
more momentum going forward. What do you mean by that,
that that Georgia was making plays and that helped out

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I don't understand what you mean by that, Like, like,
George's defense had been getting stops throughout the game, right,
and now you're in a tie game and you give
Alabama the ball basically at the fifty yard line, at
exactly the fifty yard line. That's that's like the football.
I have no problem with them going for it. If
you want to put it in from's hands, in your

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in your best guy's hands, and say, okay, go pick
up eight yard. You want to do that five but
a fake punt, forget I'm not gonna give it into
my putter's hands to pick up the first down. I mean,
what do you think about it? I mean it was
it was I believe, like fourth and eleven, so it
would have been a tough play. But look, I don't
think I would have gone for the first. But if
you want to go for the first, hey, put it
in Frob's hands. At least you know that maybe you

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throw it downfield twelve yards, you pick up the first down,
they'll put it in your putter's hands. Because and by
the way, do they not have a kill where it says,
oh my goodness, they they they've got us, we better
just punt it away. But nobody yelled kill Gail. Gail. Yeah.
And Georgia had time outs at that point too, And
you know, I know it's a tight game. You want
to save your time outs. You don't know when you're
gonna need it. There was, you know, about three minutes

(20:55):
left in the game at that point. But I'm with you.
It was just so disastrous for so many different reasons.
As you said, By the way, Georgia has like I
don't know, twenty running backs that are gonna play in
the NFL one day. They have all these skill position
guys that were tearing up Alabama early in the game.
I'm with you. If you want to go for it,
that's fine, but I don't know. I don't know that

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I put it in my punter's hands or fake punt
to that. I think it was actually the backup quarterback
ended up getting the ball, but that was the worst
play they ran. It was like, oh, we're gonna run
the option. I'm just faking that. You were not gonna
run the option. By the way, it's a final and
overtime Fresno State beats Boise State nineteen sixteen. Uh in

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that snow ridden game, boy, I can't believe I missed
most of that one. Clemson pounding Pittsburgh forty two to
ten about two minutes left there, so that was just
about thumb. Ohio State just scored a touchdown thirty eight
twenty four. They lead Northwestern nine oleven left in that game. Uh,
Northwestern game? This run, it was twenty four twenty one.

(21:58):
At one point, I thought north Western was was about
the pull off a great group of bide victory year.
But now they're down two touchdowns with nine eleven left
to go. Aeron, Yeah, Northwestern, I mean they've played good
defense all year and they played some good teams too.
Now they also happen to lose to Akron and Duke
and schools like that, But um, they played good. You know,
earlier in the year, they had Michigan on the ropes.

(22:21):
They played Notre Dame tough, and I know what you're
gonna tell me, those guys aren't good. But they have
played good teams tough with that defense. But yeah, I
think Ohio State they've just got a few too many athletes,
a few too many guys. I mean, there was a
big pass there on that possession and Ohio State starting
to pull away right now. Mr Yeah said, Uh, they
based things from the start off of last year all

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the time. That's what sucks for UCF. They went undefeated,
they didn't get any love to start this season. They'd
come out of the top twenty five, then I guaranteed
they would have rose to four this season. No teams
would have jumped them. You know that, don't two teams
would have went to jumped them. Now I agree, and
in the unfortunate thing for UH Central Florida. First of all,
they needed more chaos than they got. UH they needed

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Oklahoma to lose, Ohio State to lose, whatever the case
may be. But also, already you and I have spent
in the last half hour debating best What is the best?
Is Georgia the best? I don't think and I'm a
UCF defender, I don't think you can say that UCF
is one of the four best teams in college football
without their starting quarterback. I know they won big today.
Are they won today by putting up a lot of points?

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I think it's really hard to make the argument that
they're one of the four best teams without that quarterback.
And it's unfortunate because whether you factor in last year
or not, what they have done, independent of whether they
deserve to be in the playoff or not, is pretty incredible. Alright,
minutes away from Ryan Fowler, he's host of the game
in Tusco Loosa, Alabama. Will talk to him. First, Let's

(23:48):
check in with the saga. See what's trending, what's going
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get some time off? Onto college football? Down nine minutes

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to go in the Big Ten Championship game on Fox TV,
number six, Ohio State leading thirty four against twenty feet
rank Northwestern, Rainy and night in Charlotte for the a
c C Title Game, number two, Clemson still with the
big lead of forty two to ten over Pit, and
it's now final. In fact, Pit finishes with eight yards,
passing eight for the entire game. A case for them too,

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aren't along with Georgia? Isn't that we're central Florida hangs
their head, Hey, we played Pitts finishes seven and six.
Pitts quarterback four of sixteen eight yards passing and one interception,
and a crusher for the home fans at Boise State,
not just losing in overtime at home tonight in the snow.
The Mountain West titlist is number twenty five Fresno State

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nineteen sixteen overtime winners at number twenty two Boise Boise
States kicker had missed an extra point in regulation, That's
why it went overtime. He had also missed a field
goal attempt as well. Conference final victories for Appalachian State
in U A B today number one Alabama with the
comeback win over Georgia to take the SEC crown. Thirty
Oklahoma ranked five maybe moving up, won the Big twelve

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over Texas thirty nine seven. Everything will become official as
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(26:18):
breaking news according to Yahoo Sports, and I have the
saga do more info on itcause it's just kind of breaking. Now. Wow,
we've got If this is true, Oh, my goodness, we
got a problem. I guess. The Kansas City chiefs were
told by the NFL to stop pursuing the tape of
Kareem Hunt. Yeah, and the earlier story was that they

(26:40):
couldn't have law enforcement type weight to get the tape
even if they wanted it. And also it wasn't being
handed out because it wasn't some felony. If this is
actually true, my goodness, you're not kidding this story. Wow wow,
all right, we'll get to that later on. By the way,
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(27:24):
Monday through Friday two to six Eastern. It's Ryan Fowler.
I could I could hear you grinning from year to year.
Right now is where we haven't even talked chat Well,
I mean, what what a game? What a game? I mean,
listen to me. I feel like you know. I mean,
I'm sitting there on that same field, almost standing at
the same position. I'm going, how do you beat Alabama?

(27:47):
I mean, how do I mean, how do you play
better than Georgia? I mean they with Alabama at every
point in the game except the score board unbelievable and
and I gotta tell you this, with they were down
by two touchdowns I believe in the third What were
you thinking to yourself. Oh, I mean I thought I
thought it was over. I mean I looked to a

(28:08):
god at my right. I mean I twenteted and out
of mean, you guys have I didn't leave this sweet
uh but but I mean I literally I said, you
know it's over. I mean, you know, I was looking
to the guy that my right was and that it
was a regional host, and I said, do you think
Alibama ki get in if they get blowed out? I
mean I'm not kidding, yeah, I mean I'm to get
honest with you guys. I no, I mean I literally

(28:32):
looked at the guy. I said, all right, so if
Alibama loses by one, do you still feel like that
they're in the playoffs? And and you know that was
the debate, and you know what Jay One hurts? Did?
I mean, listen, I've been one of the j One
hurts his biggest critics. I mean, uh, Torres is on
my show, uh every week, and uh, you gotta you
gotta give the young man credit. Man. I mean, what

(28:54):
a story of redemption? I mean, what what a you know?
To be able to that's high character, to be able
to keep what he was able to do, keep that
focus you know what, most people thought he was gonna
be out of here. Uh for him to go to
get that game winners, I mean, what do you do?
You take it out off to him and you have
to congratulate, and we was able to do. And that's
what I was gonna ask you, Ryan, is take us
through the journey of Jalen Hurts. Because what's been incredible

(29:17):
from the outside and you have the inside perspective on it,
is the idea that one this kid gets benched the
middle of the game last year and is the biggest
cheerleader for TUA, and that seemed to continue to extend
even into the season when Twa clearly was the better
player won the starting job. It seems like, Uh, Ernie
and I talked about a Hollywood script, but also the

(29:40):
Hollywood script of those two guys kind of having each
other's back through thick and thin, when it'd be easy
for them to be rivals. Yeah, and I noticed this
was going through not with them, but for fans here
were either a Jalen guy or you were two a
guy and you couldn't be either one and and certainly
you both I've gotta understand in Tuscaloosa, you are defined

(30:04):
by winning championships. Okay, we don't listen. I know this
tonight is good as SEC title number twenty seven for Alabama,
but I could promise you if Alabama goes on and
gets beat in the semifinals of the finals, this season
will be looked at as a failure. I mean, I'm
I'm been telling you what it is, man, I dude,
I do a show in Tuscaloosa. I hosted the funeral

(30:26):
when Clempson beat Alabama and TAFA in Uh you know,
I mean it is it is national championship for bus.
I mean you think the Yankees celebrate americanly East in
it no No, No seven World Series, And that's what
happened here. It's sella and so Jalen didn't have a

(30:48):
good game, and certainly, uh you know when you look
at last year he wrote efforts of TUA. But listen, man,
you cannot get away. You gotta give this young man credit. Man,
I mean he fall through some back first thing and
you gotta ryan. Uh one, how is to uh? And
to is there a quarterback controversy for the championship for

(31:09):
the playoffs or what? No? God? I mean, I mean, listen,
I don't think you're myth wraps Lyon's opinion. They'll probably
some folks out there that it might you know, it
might make a three week conversation. I steel think this
is you know, I think Alabama is is at its
best game and they worked on I mean tonight too.
It was all uh and you gotta you know, I

(31:31):
don't even know, but this Heisman thing. I mean, dude,
you guys got a million conversation uh to talk about tonight,
and I I don't know, you know, you know, I'm
a Heisman voter. Uh. Certainly two has done done of Tom,
but he did not have his bet performance on big
stage tonight. What do you think attributed to that? Was
it the just Georgia having a phenomenal defense ful future

(31:53):
NFL guys, the fact that he hasn't seen that kind
of speed and athleticism, although I think Ellis used pretty comparable.
Do you think it was that didn't allow him banged up?
What was it? Gods? I keep put my finger on it. Uh,
you know, many many years ago, and I still think
right now. I mean, you know, two of may have
an argument to say, but I think the best quarterback

(32:14):
that's ever played at Suskalusa's AJ mccarrey. A J and
I developed developed a friendship, and I had him on
my show all the time. He said, you gotta take
what the defense will give you. If he said that
one time, he said it a thousand times on my show,
take what the defense will give you. And see, I
think that's part of a quarterback is they were daring you,

(32:36):
I thought, to run the football. I thought they were
dropping so many guys back in coverage. And sometimes you
gotta be able to check out of that. You've gotta
have the flexibility to take what the defense will get.
If they're daring you to run the football, you gotta
check out. I mean, I know you're a path happy
team now with his spread offense, but you've got to
be able to make those calls. I don't I don't

(32:57):
know if he made those tonight. It was really everything
not typical of two US tonight. And uh, you know
that's what was so odd. I mean, I'm howl said
he up to the games, and I know he went
down with ankle, and I know that was a question already.
I didn't get to a second ago. Uh springed ankle first,
Then you guys footstepped on and according to the NIXT savement,

(33:20):
they will know more tomorrow. But in the press conference,
he said he did not think that it was significant.
Uh that that he didn't think it would be something
unless they rebuild something show with a imaging X ray
m R I. But he didn't he stick saving his
words come out of his mouth that it was not significant.
All right, right, I'm gonna put you on the selection committee.
You're the final vote Georgia or Oklahoma. Well, I don't

(33:45):
want to play Georgia against I'll put Oklahoma there. No,
I want to jump in there because I've been arguing
about this with Arnie. I understand the trepidation of an
Alabama fan. I don't really understand what the argument is
for Georgia as the fourth team because they played Alabama
tough for three quarters. You know, Ryan, Arnie, this isn't

(34:06):
middle school. We don't give out blue ribbons for playing
really hard and trying hard. You don't get orange slices
and blue ribbons. That's not how this works, right, Can
you make a case for Georgia to be the fourth team? Well,
but because I believe in this conference, I do, But
I also listen you gotta look at the Big twelve
and but you also gotta look at Lord how Mercy.

(34:27):
I'll say this, I look at that committee members and
I feel sorry for him because, like, like I'm furious
because you could you could make a case. I mean,
we could said here and make a case for Georgia,
but we could also make a case for Oklahoma. I'll
bet you this committee meeting right now in Grapevine, Texas,

(34:47):
I bet this thing will go into the late night
hours because you know Ohaio State goes Western still go on.
I mean, this thing, God it is. I would put
Oklahoma there, but you know Kirby Smart and Nick Saban both,
you know they talked about because it is it the
best four teams? Is that what it is? Because you

(35:08):
gotta trust your eyes. If that's not one of the
best four teams, I'll watch football every single week with
Alabama's play they get They pushed the number one team
a round tonight. I mean they've whipped there. But like,
I haven't seen Alabama whip in a long time. So
is that not one of the best four teams? And

(35:30):
try because it is Oklahoma better than Georgia, And I
think you've got to ask the question Nick Saban is
who would you least slightly want to play? I think
his his answer was Georgia in the first conference. Let
me ask just there's do you know how the whole
selection committee process goes? Because there's thirteen members in the committee,

(35:51):
one of them is the Oklahoma Athletic Director. I'm assuming
he's got to recuse himself from the room. That drops
it down the twelve. Except there's thirteen people that will
be pulling for Georgia. Does that mean any difference? I
don't think he does. But but but you know, it's
it's kind of like your buddies, right, your guys are
in a room, and is this I don't know if

(36:15):
I believe in recusal situation. I know that they had
this silly, stupid, you know, hat tree out front of
the room, and you know they hang their hats. But guys,
we studied insubsistence. You have everybody has a bias. Everybody
has a bias. You guys have a bias towards Fox
Sports Radio. I have a bias source Tide one or

(36:36):
two not. I don't give a dart. If I take
my T shirt, my boxers, and my socks off, I
still have a bias. You know the goal for ten hats.
You guys seen the hat rack they have out there
or they hang the hat that's stupid. I love it,
Ryan Fowler. You can check him out at one or
two night. It does go lose to Alabama, Ryan, great job,

(37:00):
best of luck in the playoffs. Will definitely do it
again before the playoffs start. Hey, hey, no doubt. Let
me get off because I'm just listening. I'm jabling hurts
his biggest credit. Man. But the guy played football tonight. Man,
you gotta salute that guy. Appreciate you guys. Have a
wonderful easing. I'll be listening on my drawback to detail.
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brought to you by Discover Card. We treat you like
you treat you Discover Card. Ohio State wrapping it up.
They pulled away late. This game was a lot closer
than the final score. Is gonna go ahead and indicate,
I promise you that people are gonna look at the
final score and say, well, they blew him out. Is
going to be the final Why closer than that? He's

(38:07):
Aeron torres A Marty Spanier. Aeron Are you saying um
scored differential means nothing? So when Ohio State gets blown
up by Perdue, you don't look at something like that. No,
absolutely do. I think it is a variable that needs
to be considered like everything else. Then why when we
said Georgia played Alabama close, that doesn't count because they lost.

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But they also lost to L s U by twenty.
I mean they played two legitimately really good teams and
they lost both of them. Yeah, but I mean you say, well,
we don't give out participation trophies because they just played
them close. I think that has to count for something
that has Alabama on the roads, because the number one
team in the country, nobody's come close to beat them.
I don't what I'm saying is you shouldn't be penalized

(38:53):
for playing a great game against Alabama and almost winning,
And they wouldn't be if they hadn't lost to L.
S U by twenty. But at some point, I mean,
you're you're punishing them for Let me flip this right,
So in this a c C championship game, we had
a seven and five pit team played Clemson. Yes, Clemson
was undefeated, unquestioned, all that, if pitt beats them and

(39:17):
they have the best win of anybody in college football today,
deserve to get in the playoffs. If if hit, if
pitt beat Clemson, because your argument is Georgia played Clemson,
Georgia played Alabama really tough, and nobody played Alabama tough,
but they get five losses though Pittsburgh coping get to
the game and Georgia has one loss. I mean, what
is they read? One loss in five losses? But why

(39:38):
is it a difference? I mean, the argument is that
they played a good team, really tough. If pitt played
Clemson really tough, why wouldn't they get in? All right,
I'll throw it back on you. Clemson's the number two seeds.
If Clemson wins tonight, one you think there's still the
number two seeds or Notre Day moves up at past them.
I think they're probably still the number two seeds. No,
you're what You're wrong there. Then they'd be the number
three seed and they'd play the same But but that's

(40:00):
not the point though. The point is they dropped because
they played a close game game differential score differential means
something in in this situation. So I don't think you
could just punish Georgia for losing a close game to Alabama.
I mean, it was a fantastic game and a game
they let slip through their finger. I'll tell you what,
go ahead real quick. Oh No, all I was gonna

(40:21):
say was it's one variable. Georgia being really close is
one variable. I don't think they have enough other variables
in their favor to overcome the fact they have two losses.
Our one in the books, will catch your breath, will
come back? Well, reset all the games, talk more about Alabama.
We gotta get more into the olkloholm the games. I
thought for sure they were gonna lose and I was
gonna need a new co host on Sunday. I didn't

(40:42):
know what I was going to do. I was worried
about that. Who's the number four team? All that coming
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(41:04):
a free rate. Quote Aaron Torres in our East Coast
studios in Hartford, Connecticut. I'm in Burlington, Vermont. Uh, Aaron
gonna go watch his Yukon Huskies get the beat down
by my Arizona Wildcats tomorrow out in Hartford, Right, Aaron,
I can't believe that you can't put a junior college

(41:25):
on its schedule to be like, so when you get
a degree from Arizona, like you have to go somewhere
else in another school to complete that degree, right, Like,
I can't wait for the beat that. You know, it's
too bad nobody cares about college basketball right now? You
know that taught you it's it's too bad. I you
get had a lot of fun with this. We need
to make a bet, you know that, don't you. We
have to have some type of bet going on that

(41:46):
you told me you were gonna send me some farm
to table food out to hell. I don't know what
that means. Am I gonna send you a cow? What
am I gonna send you? I don't understand what I mean?
If you want to, I mean that's I got a
small apartment. I don't know how we're gonna fit it all,
but exactly we'll figure something out. We'll better. But you
you got your ticket to the game. Why do you
get a press pass? Ye, I'm my lady coming with me,

(42:06):
So what I get two press passes? Then? Listen. I'm
not like Ernie Spinner. I can't just throw my weight around.
I don't you know one might have been pushing it.
I don't know about two. Well, even I can't disagree
with that. I can't disagree with that. Well, have fun
out there. I know I should have just drove the

(42:26):
four hours, but you know, I don't want to miss
NFL Sunday. And of course we got a lot to
get to on that. UM just kind of resetting the
whole situation here. Um, Alabama great victory over Georgia. I
think that was an instant classic. I would love to
watch it. When I got off the air, I would
go back, turn on the TV and watch it all
over again. I didn't know if Alabama was going to

(42:48):
come back when they were down fourteen in the third,
and then things kind of unraveled for George on that. Um,
there's no doubt in my mind Alabama obviously the number
one team. As for if they're the better team in
the history of college football, popping the brakes on something
like that, Aaron, Oh, yeah, I mean they still have
to win two more games, and I think the thing
that we learned today is that they are beatable. They

(43:11):
are not invincible. The ironic thing, of course with Alabama
is that this team that's been so great on defense
over the Nick saban Era has has been decent but
not great, and it's their offense that's bailed them out today.
It was a different kind of skill set on offense
with Jalen Hurts. But I don't think this team is unbeatable.
I think, look, Clemson plays phenomenal defense, they got a

(43:33):
quarterback that can make plays. Whoever is that fourth team?
I mean, look, I don't think Oklahoma's gonna beat him,
but could Kyler Murray go crazy? Look, historically, the one
thing that Nick Saban struggle with is a true dual
threat quarterback Cam Newton, Johnny Manzel, Deshaun Watson. So we
learned today that they're beatable. So yeah, I totally agree
with you on that, arn'tie that we are a long

(43:53):
way from talking about them as one of the greats
of all time. Look, we got a lot of college
football to recap. I understand that we got a lot
to talk about. With Alabama, who's going to be the
number four team out there? We got Vegas runner coming
up in about twenty past the hour, we'll give you
our top five and who we think should be in
uh the four team playoff that's coming up at the

(44:15):
bottom of the hour, and then of course the Sega
will join us at forty five. Though just and of
course we just can't completely ignored, especially with the latest
news coming down that from what we understand, the NFL
told the Kansas City Chiefs to stop pursuing, uh trying
to get the video tape from the hotel or wherever

(44:36):
they were trying to get it from. Um that on
top of they have already UH cut Kareem hunt. The
whole thing is just horrible. Absolutely, it's getting worse than
worse by the day. Um, I'm I'm absolutely shocked, and
the loss of words, and this is Mike Living and
I don't know if I could really add to what

(44:59):
everybody's really been saying that the network, it's just a
horrible situation. Um, he deserves to be cut. I wouldn't
be picking him up. But then again, the president has
been set, you know, with Ruben Foster and you know
some of the Tyreek Hill and some of the other
problems out there Joe Mixon, so he'll probably not play

(45:21):
the rest of the year and somebody will pick him
up next year and he'll start fresh. But again, horrible
situation and it only gets worse there. And if it's
true that the NFL told Kansas City UH not to
pursue the tape anymore, Yeah, it's a weird story. And
and obviously stuff is coming out and we're trying to
piece it all together. I think what the the NFL

(45:41):
was basically saying was not don't pursue this video. It's
that we are going to start our own independent investigation
and we don't want you to get into in the way. Basically,
for lack of a better term, and a given ahead
ahead no, well they it's also you know, their employees,
so they should go after the video, oh of coorse. Yeah,
And and I mean, you know, look, I mean, Kansas

(46:02):
City is trying to do their due diligence because only
one thing that we've talked about throughout the past couple
of months is that accusations do not equal you know, actions, right,
and that there's a reason that the precedent in this
country is innocent until proven guilty. And so I think
I sort of understand the NFL stance. I think the

(46:23):
headlines are a little bit misleading, as if they're saying
cover this up, brush it under the rug. But at
the same time, the NFL should be working with the
Kansas City Chiefs. Obviously, if this video was out there,
and by all accounts, everybody knew that the video existed,
they should have been doing everything that they could to
get their hands on it, whether it's through the Chiefs,
whether it's through the NFL. But, like you said, just

(46:45):
another disappointing story out of the league. And I know
we're gonna speak about a lot more throughout the show now.
I I said to a story about Tooa's dad to us.
To Us said that if as growing up, if he
had a bad game, and a bad game could be
four touchdowns and one interception. Um, if he threw an interception,

(47:05):
his father would take the belt to him. And to
what talked about kind of that being like tough love.
Is that something that we should be looking at and
be disgusted it or we should say that's the way
it used to be back then. I don't know, Yeah,
I mean times have changed so much. I know to
is young, he's probably about twenty years old, but um,

(47:26):
you know, when he was growing up, I would assume
this wasn't happening like when he was a junior senior
in high school. I mean I could be wrong. I
don't know. Um, I'm not one to kind of criticize
people and how they parent. Well we did Adrian Peterson.
I didn't criticize him. I didn't think that why shouldn't
you be criticized if you take a belt or a
tree branch or any type of uh weapon to your child? Well,

(47:51):
in my eyes personally, you know, when we go back
to that Adrian Peterson situation, it was a deal where
that was the way that he was raised, that's what
he thought was right. Um, you know, I would hope
that he's learned from the situation. He was suspended obviously
for most of a season. I would assume that he
sought counseling or met with somebody that kind of was
like he gets eighteen or I guess it was like

(48:13):
sixteen at the time. He can't really do it. Um,
but no, I mean, look, two was obviously one an
incredible young kid by all accounts. Everybody loves him, and
too too as said that that he had no problem
with it. He was just you know, it was how
his dad parented him. I don't know. I don't have
a problem with it, do you honestly? You could say
you do, he could disagree. I just I just don't
personally have a problem with it. Well, yeah, I think

(48:35):
you know, taking a belt, a tree branch, I don't know,
a paddle anything, uh, to a child. Yeah, I I
do have a problem with it, considering you're not even
doing it for what you think is a good reason. Um,
you know, like he stole or he took a car
and crashed it or was drunk driving or something like that.

(48:56):
He did it because he threw an interception. I mean
that that's not parenting. That that's that's craziness in my opinion.
I mean that that's not about being bad here and
that's that's just that's be like Marv Brenovitch, I know,
that was the weird part to me. And by the way,
the the ultra weird part was that to a really
kind of see anything necessarily wrong with it. Um, yeah,

(49:18):
I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's just it's
just tough for me to I think to A kind
of set it off hand and he didn't really think
about what the consequences were. But like I said, I
don't know. I mean, I think it's a little bit overbearing.
But to a one didn't seem to mind it, and
to uh, he's turned into a really good football player,
and maybe that was the weird motivation that he needed.
I'm gonna I'm sorry, and I'm gonna jump on in

(49:39):
because I want to get right to our guests joining
us now. They just came off big victory over Northwestern
from Ohio State. It's k J. Hill. How you doing, kJ?
Congratulations on the victory. Appreciate it. I'm doing good. As
you can see. We are here, I'm still still and
join the moment. Well tell me, it was twenty four
seven and half. Next thing, you know, here comes Northwestern

(50:01):
two touchdowns, it's one. What was coach saying to you
guys on the sideline when it was that score? Oh,
you know, coach our line just always tell us it
ain't gotta be closed. So us as receiver, our mindset
was just to run up to score as much we
could and do what we could. Let me ask you this, KG. Obviously,
we've all watched you guys play all season. You finished

(50:23):
twelve and one, but there were ups and downs, and
as recently as two weeks ago battling Maryland down to
the wire. What has flipped for you guys in the
last two weeks that have allowed you to dominate Michigan
and Northwestern these last two games. I feel like I focused,
you know, Um, we're finally putting stuff together, getting the
puzzle together at the end of the season, during championship time,
when the time is right, you know, um, the team

(50:46):
up north we played last week, he was clicking, and
today on offense we was clicking. We had some ups
and downs, but we faced a lot of adversity this season.
But I feel like nothing can break us right now, Well,
not with the way Haskins is playing thirty four forty
one almost five hundred yards, five touchdowns. That that's insane.
He was unbelievable. Yes, sir, that that's New York the Heisman.

(51:08):
What is um? First of all, before we get into
your guys cases, it's something that you're monitoring throughout the day,
watching Oklahoma, watching maybe a little bit first half of
Alabama Georgia. Are you guys watching what the other teams
are doing throughout today? Oh? Yeah, that was watching. You know,
we have breaks there and our meetings and stuff like that.
So we just turned on ball, try to relax and

(51:29):
enjoy college football. But we know we had to come
out here and make it statement also, so we was
more focused on our game. And let me ask you
this then, we were just arguing who should be number four?
It was coming down to be Oklahoma should be Georgia.
Can you make a case for your team? For your guys?
Can you can you make it a strong case for them?
I feel like we can't. You know, we don't. We

(51:51):
don't be UH top four, uh four, top five? Things
making five today versus Northwestern. UH offense and defensive plan outstanding,
and I feel like we can make a run if
we go at number four, if you were to get
in kJ We've seen the leaps and bounds over the
last two weeks. Sometimes the team does take a while

(52:12):
to get better. How much better do you think you
could be in a month when you would play your
next game. We could be. We could be on hitting
on all cylinders, you know, and the little things on
the offense entity, you know, especial scenes. Also, the month
gives you, saying, time to reflect on the season and
look at everything that didn't work, and you can get
to work on the things that you struggled at during

(52:33):
the season. You think the SEC gets a little too
much love, especially if Georgia sneaks in and they get
two teams with George and Alabam in there. I mean,
it is what it is, you know, it is what
it is. All we could do is take care of
but we have to take care of and let it
play out from there. Last question from me. I know

(52:54):
my partner just asked this a minute ago, but I'm
a committee member. Me Aaron Torres, give the pitch right
now for Ohio State at number four, Ohio State and
before we're gonna get a run at it. Uh. I
feel like our offense, our defense, special teams is clicking
offenders right now. As you can see, we made a
run at the end and it ain't been close. So

(53:17):
I feel like we can make a run in the playoffs. Alright,
k kJ, congratulations on the victory. Enjoy it. I'm sure
you guys will be watching the TV tomorrow and we
wish you the best to lock. Thank you, thank you kJ.
Hello everybody from Ohio State UM. He had one catch
eight yards, good return specialists, and of course Ohio State
with victory over Northwestern UM. He made a made a

(53:41):
strung case for Ohio State to be the number four
team when he was talking about what they beat four
teams in our four or five teams in the top
twenty five and made it kind of strung case for
the Bear. Did he datter one? I totally agree. No.
And and you know, Arnie, when we talk about best, right,
I mean, we've argued about what is best for Georgia
for Oklahoma. One. I think it's an important kind of

(54:04):
point to note is that sometimes it just takes teams
longer to get going. And you mentioned Dwayne Haskins, all
the recruits that they have at the skill positions, incredibly
talented guys. The defense seems to finally be clicking into
gear after struggling against Maryland. I don't know that you
can make the case, but I think a case can

(54:26):
be made if that makes sense that this team is
just starting to hit their stride right now, thirteen games
into the season, and that a month from now with
an extra month of practice, I think they'd give just
about anybody in this field of challenge. I don't know
that they'll get that last spot, but I think you
can make the case for him. This segment brought to
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How you doing, Vegas Runner? Who never better? Aren't he
never better? Busy weekend for sure, great games today in

(55:34):
college football, and and it all started on Thursday night
with a good NFL game with the Saints in Dallas.
And we got some markey matchups ahead with Sunday night
and Monday night, so some real good primetime games toward
the books. And let's not forget there's a heavyweight title
fight going on as we speak, so definitely a lot
going on. All right, let's start with the games today.

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How did the books do on some of the games?
And uh, I got to imagine, Uh the Alabama crowd
was a little bit happy, but they got they got
the victimy there did they matter? What? Yeah? But Brooks
cleaned up that who did well? The betting synd gets
did well. But on a Saturday like this, the public money,
recreational betters calling what you will, that money outweighs the

(56:20):
betting syon to get money. And even if you couple
that with the sharp money, the guys that piggyback, you know,
a lot of wise guy plays UM. As information trickles down,
those moves did well. That's why you see a lot
of the line moves UM that move significantly ended up
doing well. Freds No State. For example, Boise State was

(56:40):
at three point favorite. The public was betting Boise heavy,
but that went off that as low as minus one.
So a lot of wise guy money on Fred's. Same
with U A B. Middle Tennessee State. Another game which
was two and a half one signed Middle Tennessee State
money from the public. That game goes off as low
as a pick them off are um. Yeah. So again

(57:02):
as you could see from that, wise guys did really well.
Even in that Texas Oklahoma that was one of the
bigger ones, AREN'TI. They bet Oklahoma up for minus seven
and a half to almost as high as ten, and
they bet that total down from seven d eight. They
were betting it down, but there was so much public

(57:22):
money that pushed it all the way up to like
eighty one. And the guys that I provide accounts for,
every single group was sending max bets on the under.
So I'm betting max and now under bets everywhere through
local outs and the line still going up because so
much public money over And you know why the wise

(57:44):
guys loved the under so much, simply based on the
fact it was They look at it as an overreaction.
And this is what separates the sharp betters h professional betters,
that one percent that truly turns a profit, you know,
long term, not of guys that act like they do,
the ones that actually moved the market. I mean that

(58:05):
was a perfect example because you saw a game that
they just played a couple of weeks ago, and granted,
sure they scored a hundred points what have you, but
the total for that game was in the fifties and
they moved in as high seventies, almost eighty twenty points
based on sixty minutes of football. Wise guys are gonna

(58:25):
dive all over that unless there's a key injury or
or something. There's should never be a line that moves
that's significantly based on a sixty minute football game. There's
so much randomness in Bob in a sixty minute football game,
a missed call, a fumble once it hits the ground,
it's who picks it up, you know, unlike other sports

(58:45):
where they play a seven game series for playoffs championships. Uh,
that's why in football, more times than not, it's not
always the best team that wins the Super Bowls because
of that randomness, they only play one game. So that
was a perfect exam. Well, some actionable information for your listeners.
When you see an adjustment like that twenty plus points,

(59:06):
scrant it. Forget what you saw last and ask yourself,
is it warranted off sixty minutes of football? Forget the
fact they scored a hundred points. The bottom line was oddsmakers,
who are very good at what they do, had that
game in the fifties and now they put it in
the seventies. That was free money if you're ever going
to get it, biggest runner. Were there any good stories

(59:28):
or bad stories for that matter, live betting that Alabama
Georgia game. I gotta imagine that was a wild run,
Yeah for sure. I mean, listen, everybody was expecting Bama
to come back. You know they're not. Weren't twelve and
no going into that game? Thirteen and o now by accident? Um.
I mean, I think, if anything, the surprise was Georgia
had a seven point lead at halftime. I mean, let's

(59:51):
look at it. How Alabama was almost a two touchdown favorite.
UM which tells you just how good they are and
even the perception of how good they are, because again
this weekend, the lines are are shaded towards that public
bias thing. You saw what Alabama? The books only brought
it out at ten and a half. We the market
moved it up to his highest thirteen before the betting

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Synthingate's got involved and betted back down. The wise guys
were on the Georgia side. It was a public and
and and the wave of money on Alabama that moved
it up to thirteen. UM. So I think most were
expecting hope Obama comes back. I think the books probably
didn't do well in that in game betting because most
of it had to be on Alabama. That's what usually

(01:00:36):
happens when good teams fall behind. Most bettors used a
live betting, betting those good teams to catch up and
actually win the game, as opposed to when they see
a team as an underdog get out to a big lead,
they don't usually back that team to continue dominating a game.
All right, Vegas front of Let's get to the NFL
big games tomorrow. Start with Minnesota. New England. Patriots were

(01:00:58):
seven that point favorite, dropped down the five. That's a
big turnamount because the Patriots and thought Brady really good
at home. Um, but that's a two point drop there. Yeah,
that's all sharp money there. And I mean the bottom
line is this, if you've done nothing else but over
the last four years, woke up and bet Zimmer when
he's an underdog, you catt sixty of your bets. Now,

(01:01:19):
I'm not one who believes to bet trends blindly unless
there's a fundamental reason for a trend to continue. Um.
And that's one that Minnesota plays tough, get close games,
I mean even when they lose. That's why they've been
able to cover spread. So I could see why the
sharps are on Minnesota. But you're absolutely right. I mean,

(01:01:39):
you don't get rich bent against New England, especially at
home where they're five and oh and four and one
against the spread. They just got by the Jets last week. Um,
you know by that one point. Um. So again, you
know New England, do you want to stand out in
front of him? Wise, guys, do it again? They take Minnesota.
I don't know. I lean that side as well, all

(01:02:00):
but again I have no confidence ever betting against New England.
We always hear the narrative that no one other than
quarterbacks really move or altar or change a line. Uh,
And I think about that with the Kareem Hunt situation. Obviously,
our thoughts are with the victim and all the things
that happened there. But in terms of his on the
field impact in Vegas, is it even negligible at all? Yeah?

(01:02:22):
Great question, and absolutely not. And you're right, Uh, non quarterbacks,
there's not even a handful that are worth a half
a point to a point at a betting line. Now,
rest assured, that's what the books are going to adjust.
After that, the market's going to overreact, and when it's
all said and done, it will probably be a two

(01:02:45):
three point move when the player really wasn't worth that. Um.
But that's what ends up happening this case. We're seeing
the line dromp, but it wasn't on the Hunt news.
In fact, it happened well after that, and it just
happens to be some sharp money coming in on Oakland.
UM Bettenham Actually today they took them plus fifteen and
a half. Uh, like in the double digit home dog

(01:03:09):
and divisional play, and again big sample signs go back
fifteen years. It's a money maker. But if you go
back the last five years, uh, double digit favorites in
the NFL have been money. They really have been covering.
That's why the books are making pay premium to back
these good teams. A right last ding before we got
to leave Chargers and the Steelers, Steelers a three point

(01:03:30):
favorite some places three of the hook, which is a
big difference. There A lot of people like the Chargers.
What are you thinking of this one? Yeah, they do.
I disagree. I think Pittsburgh is a side here. I
had Denver last week. I think I got kind of lucky.
Um they got that that cover and went out right
against Pittsburgh. But now Pittsburgh's returning home where they haven't

(01:03:51):
played since mid November, and this is a big game,
Chargers coming off an easy one against Arizona. I liked
the under as well, and I saw some aren't money
coming on the under. The public is gonna bet this
one over. I mean they blindly bet Pittsburgh at home
and charge of games pretty much over. So that's probably
what's gonna happen, But I think you'll see a lower

(01:04:11):
scoring game, and personally not as much as it has
anything to do with the West Coast team going east,
and maybe even not really weather related. I just think
it's a really good spot for Pittsburgh, and more importantly,
at three three minus some viigu um, I think on
a neutral field, Pittsburgh is the better team, So I
think even you get some line value there as well.
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What will really tell you who's that number four team?
First though, let's check in with the SEGA. See what's trending.

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What's going on in the Sea. Well, college football wins
for Alabama and Clemson, for Oklahoma and Ohio State, but
we do have an upset update on the boxing. It's
very close Staples Center, Downtown l A. Two undefeated heavyweights
in boxing and battling and very tall heavyweights. They are
through ten rounds out of the scheduled twelve. In the
ninth Deonte Wilder did knocked down Tyson Fury in the

(01:05:17):
ninth round. That was a shot to the head apparently
not at all a trip, a clean knockdown, however brief
and so he won that round. Maybe that'll be the
difference as the scoring seems to be close. We said,
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to go, finalist forty five twenty four Buckeyes over twenty
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remember the only hard part, well, that would be figuring
out which way is easier. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Arny Spaniard.
Are you ready to give our top five? Matter? If
I give us a little music? Uh, radar ride put
me in the mood, um and I don't think anybody's
gonna have the top three different? Errand uh, I'll come
on now. Alabama Clemson note tre Dame. Is that your

(01:07:48):
top three also like everybody else or what it is?
My top three? Yes? No, no, no drastic changes there.
Uh number four, I'll give you two answers. My pick
would be Georgia. I know the committee is going to
take Oklahoma, so Oklahoma is gonna get in unfortunately. My

(01:08:12):
pick would be Georgia at number four, followed by Oklahoma five,
Ohio State at number six. Okay, so up to me
now at number four, I will say this, I actually
think you can make a more compelling case for Ohio
State than Georgia. And if I was a team Ohio

(01:08:33):
State as a team, I wouldn't want to play because
they got a great defense, they got skill position guys,
and they got a quarterback that can make plays with
his arm. Jake from is good. He's not Dwayne Haskins.
That said, I think Oklahoma gets that fourth spot Ohio
State Georgia left out. Yeah, it's play gonna be mad
at me tomorrow night at Can you imagine if Oklahoma

(01:08:56):
doesn't get it, I'm gonna have to get a new
co host. You know that, don't Yeah, I was gonna
say me, it's good that you didn't drive it down
to Connecticut for the game. You might have to host
three hours solo by yourself, or they might have to
call me back in the studio here in Hartford. I
want to know who everybody thinks the fourth team is
going to be. And more important, are you rooting four
or are you rooting against plank Um. I know this

(01:09:19):
is hard to believe, and this may make me sound
like a bad person. I'm rooting against plank you know that,
don't show just for the controversy of your show, or
you just maybe like secretly don't like him and you
know you can't say it. No, I gotta root for
it because all my teams are lousy, So I want
him to be as miserable as I am. Misery loves company, Yes, exactly,
Well why should he be happy when his teams are

(01:09:41):
wedding in my team's think all the time. Yeah, I
was gonna say, I don't know the feeling because my
school is about to stomp your school on the basketball
court tomorrow, So I can't really relate to that. I
gotta know college basketball, nobody cares about that right now?
Fromont Catamounts. You don't want to talk about them? No,
not that either. By the way, um, two of the
thirteen selection communities have to recluit recuse them elves when
they talk about Oklahoma. That's gonna be Frank Biemer, the

(01:10:04):
former Virginia Tech head coach, and of course Joe constig
leone um, the Oklahoma athletic director. So I wonder if
that's scoring to play into any situation. I doubt it,
But I wonder how that's may affect things You know.
Ryan Foller was talking about this when he was on
earlier the Alabama radio host The recusal thing is weird, right,

(01:10:25):
because like, how can you really recute because the debate
is Oklahoma versus Ohio State. It's not just Olahoma versus Georgia. Yeah, whoever,
Oklahoma versus Ohio State versus Georgia whatever. Maybe you see frow.
Jane Smith is also on the on the committee. He's
Ohio State's athletic director now, and that's what I'm saying
is how can you have a conversation without comparing one

(01:10:45):
to the other. And so if in theory, every time
Ohiuse State has brought up, Jeane Smith has to leave,
Like how does that work? They're just talking about Oklahoma's resume.
But then yeah, they like talk behind your back. No,
Jeane Smith Lee leaves the room and everybody else talks
about Ohio State behind his back. Um Joe constiguality On

(01:11:07):
leaves the room. Um Frank Biemer, they leave the room
when they talk about Oklahoma. But but it goes to
show you there's no blind test, you know what I mean,
in one team against the other like they say they
do in basketball, because how can they do blind tests
when you have to have people leave the room all
the time, that that's right on this And that's what
I'm saying is even if you're just giving out the resumes,

(01:11:29):
it's like, at a certain point it can't just come
down to here's what Oklahoma has done, Here's what George
has done, Here's what states done. Like you gotta be like, okay, well,
if Georgia played Oklahoma on a neutral field, or if
Georgia played Ohio State or whatever, if you see, I
like and so to me, I just find I find
that whole process funny. And and yeah, if if it's
just a straight up here's what Ohio State did, let's

(01:11:50):
go over their resume, which at this point I would
have to assume everybody knows their resume in that room.
Um yeah, I don't know. I just I could also see,
by the way, like jeans with in the other room
with like a glass next to the door trying to
listen in, you know, exactly by the way, and I
killed the music enough. Is that any penalty for Oklahoma
for giving up forty six of Texas Tech or forty

(01:12:12):
seven Oklahoma State, or forty for Kansas or fifty six
or West Virginia, any of that. And by the way,
I I think if they don't stretch it out one
by twelve, we might have a different scenario happening right here. Yeah. No,
I look and and and I was on with you
last week and we were talking about the exact same
thing with really in last week's case, Ohio State versus Oklahoma. UM.

(01:12:36):
And I do think if you're talking about the best
teams in college football, it's hard to make an argument
for Oklahoma that doesn't really play on one side of
the ball. Now, I think that's one variable. Um, Because
of course they had a better quote unquote loss than
Ohio State. They avenged that loss. They've now beaten every
team that was on their schedule this year. UM. And

(01:12:58):
it's it's a variable, though, it's a variable, I mean
to me, I I that's but I still think Oklahoma,
because of the way they avenge at lost to Texas,
will get in. I still think, Man, I watch Ohio
State these last two or three games. I know we
had somebody on Twitter tell us that even Johnny cochrane
could not make a case for I saw that. Yeah,
I like that. I thought it was fantastic, you know,

(01:13:19):
who made a great case for Ohio State K J. Hill,
who was honestly, this was a half an hour ago.
I thought it was a great case. Uh one conference.
We're not going to make a case for it. I
don't even want to spend more than thirty seconds on
it because it's wasting my time. I've already wasted enough
time already as it is. Washington ten three over Utah.
What a great way tend a lousy year for a
lousy conference. Um. Absolutely terrible from top to bottom. I

(01:13:43):
I just just a horrible year. Yeah, you know, it's
just so disappointing because I know that you had Arizona
in the college football playoff, and I just I don't
know where that pick went wrong. I mean, it looks
so good. Yeah, they look bulletproof by the way. I have.
On one of our competing networks, Greg mclroy, former Alabama quarterback,
says he thinks Ohio State should be for so me
and Greg McElroy were on the Ohio State island right

(01:14:04):
in solo. U Bill says a boomer Sooner number four. Yeah,
I got a feeling it's gonna be Oklahoma, though. I
I think I go ahead and give it to Georgia. No, uh, yeah,
I think I'd be leaning towards George. I'm curious to
see too. But we don't know that we Weren't they
supposed to release like a final vote or something. Are
we supposed to know like the voting differential or is

(01:14:27):
that supposed to be a big secret. Well, they it's
a great question. They do um obviously they announced the
teams at noon Eastern tomorrow on Siday. I don't know
if they have any like official and I don't know,
I mean, do they take They don't tell you who
voted for who. We don't get to see you voted for.
That's interesting, yeah, I mean, and it's kind of what
we're talking about with the recusal thing a minute ago.

(01:14:48):
Is like, so if Jeane like his Jeane Smith allowed
to vote for Ohio state or is this yes, yes,
yes he could vote for Ohio state And then you
just can't listen to all the points on a matter.
I We'll come back with checking with the Sager as
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Sports A Radio. All Right, The segment of the show
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we get to the Sega, what did you want to
make another comment about Georgia Eron or what? Yeah, So
I was thinking about this during the break. This is
what I do. I just think about hypothetical sports things
all day. Every you think about after I destroy you, like,

(01:15:30):
how do I get even with him? But go ahead? No,
I mean I think I've won every single debate since
this show started. In the iteration as I watched a
Kawhi Leonard high like, you told me he was gonna
be on the Lakers. So that's a good that's a
good example of our our relationships. So I was thinking
about this. So we all we both agreed the top
three should be Bama Notre Dame, and Obama Clemson Notre Dame. Right,

(01:15:52):
so those are the top three R And so you
said Georgia should be number four? Right, Isn't that let's
just say that I'd agree with you, which I don't.
Isn't that kind of unfair to Alabama? Alabama just did
their job. They just won the SEC championship game. They
beat Georgia to get to the playoff and now they
have to go beat him again. Doesn't that See I

(01:16:12):
didn't say I have to put Georgia at number four.
Those are just the four top teams. They could always drop.
So that's unfair to Notre Dame. Well, you know what,
everything is not fair. You have to you're putting it
on a show, and you have to put up matchups
that's gonna get the highest ratings also, So um no,
I no problem with that. That that's one of the
reasons why Georgia won't get in. It's because of the
rematch with Alabama. Well, if it's the highest ratings ever.

(01:16:34):
I mean last week, Fox had the highest rated college
football game ever on its station with Michigan and Ohio. Stated,
we're gonna put Michigan in Ohio State in one of
the playoffs. No, because if Ohio State played Alabama, they
get their backside smacked around. That's what would happen there.
Unlike Georgia, which had a better fight. No, oklahom would
probably put up a better fight against Alabama. And this
is what you interrupted the sagred for you, that's what

(01:16:56):
you told me. It's about it. It's about a TV show.
What better TV show? According to the numbers in Michigan. O,
how state, because we can't put in Michigan in because
of their losses. Why they have two losses. If you
want to put eight, then you could put in a
central Ford and all those teams there. The segre go ahead,
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(01:17:18):
l A. A battle of two undefeated heavyweights tonight, a
draw between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury had
the higher percentage of punches landed. However, he got knocked down,
not only in the ninth by Wilder, he got knocked
out at a huge one in the twelve. So Deontay
Wilder with a couple of ten eight rounds and still

(01:17:39):
doesn't win it. How does that happen? One to Wilder,
one to Fury, each by four points respectively, and then
another judge had it even at one thirteen. So coming
in Deontay Wilder in his thirties was forty, and oh,
Tyson Fury, age thirty was twenty seven. And oh, I
guess you could say neither has still lost. But in
this battle of six at seven versus six, ft nine.

(01:18:02):
There is no winner in l A tonight. As for
the College Football Playoff, what's going to be decided is
not only who are the four teams going to the CFP,
but where the two semifinals will be. Keep in mind, Arlington,
Texas and Miami are the two semifinal sites on the
last Saturday night of December December twenty nine. Alabama is

(01:18:25):
located in between those two sites. Would they, for example,
if it's Alabama against number four Oklahoma, would they actually
put that semifinal in Arlington, Texas where Alabama and the
fans wan I was thinking about that. I don't think
that's going to happen. I believe the number one seed
gets to choose where they want to play. The committee

(01:18:46):
wants to give the number one seed the advantage exactly. Yeah,
because I remember last year Clemson played played Alabama. Obviously
Clemson was the number one seed. Alabama got in late,
they didn't win the sec UH and they played in
New Orleans. After the game, everyone's saying, well, it's unfair
to Clemson because geographically New Orleans is closer to Alabama,
And Dabbo was like, no, no, no, no, no, that

(01:19:07):
has nothing to do with why we lost tonight. Clemson
against Notre Dame would be the other matchup if it's
two verses three, But that'll be interesting. If Oklahoma is
number four, do they put Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl
semifinal in Arlington, Texas against Bama. It is slightly a
shorter trip for Bama and its fans f y I,
but it's far closer to Oklahomas as well, of course,

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instead of having Sooner fans go down to the Orange
Bowl to see their team in the semifinal. So the
school doesn't get to pick then, it's only it's supposed
to be coming out of the committee. I don't know
who can send notes into the committee. I know exactly
what you're saying. But if they really really want the
advantage to the number one team, and I was on
the committee, I would want the opinion of the number

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one team of that athletic department. Now we do, have,
of course, a big ten champion tonight, and that's Ohio State.
If they don't get up into that top four, the
Ohio State is big and champion will be in the
Rose Bowl January one against Washington, the Pack twelve champ.
Well that for them, they get the Rose Bowl. What
are they gonna cry about um not being in the

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top four. I guess the twelve and one record. But
Georgia played so well today and then gagged at two
touchdown lead, losing to undefeated Alabama. Georgia would be the
sec rep in the Sugar Bowl January one, in that
night game, the last of the New Year's games, maybe
a Georgia Texas. We know Central Florida is likely to
the Fiesta Bowl on New Year's maybe against l s U.

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And some are predicting Florida in the Peach Bowl. Uh
not on New Year's that's December twenty nine. This year
Florida Michigan matchup. For that, all the Bowl matchups are
coming out tomorrow, not just the top four. Just for
the record and the forty Niners Stadium it is going
to be hosting the National Championship game. It's gonna be
on the first Monday night of January. January the seventh

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must mention the game in the snow tonight. Mountain West
went to overtime Fresno State in a top twenty five
matchup one at Boise State because Fresno blocked an extra
point attempt mid fourth quarter wound up winning an o
t despite very little offense. Nineteen six. All right, thanks
a lot, the Sager two hours are in the books.
Power Hours coming up next, we'll finish off college football.

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Getting our picks coming up about We'll get into week
thirteen in the NFL real as soon as we wrap
up college football. My top four Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame.
I like Georgia Number four, though I know Georgia won't
be picked the number four. It's going to be Oklahoma. Aaron,
you see, no way, no how that Georgia should be

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number four, even though they would be favored by four
points over Oklahoma. And even though I asked you who
would you pick the win, you couldn't come up with
an answer. As I told you an hour number one,
who who was favored in Vegas? When Team USA played
Russia back in night in Lake Placid, it didn't matter
who was favored. I know who won. I know that
about that miracle on ice, Arny. It's not always about

(01:22:40):
who's favored. It's no. But we're trying to but we're
trying to figure out who the best team is. So
if we were gonna take either Russia or the US,
we would have taken Russia at that point because then
they were the better team. But then they win. No,
but what difference does that have to do with anything? Though?
I don't understand what that if. If you think there's
gonna be an up so that could be Rutgers, but
we're not gonna take Rutgers, are we? So what does
an upset have to do with anything? I just don't

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think the fact that a team would be favored in
Vegas definitively makes them a better team. And how about
the fact that you wouldn't give me a winner? I said,
I said, I said, if you had to bet your
job between Oklahoma and Georgia, you were him and and
han no no, no, no, no no, you didn't listen.
I said. What I said was is that I can't

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decide because it's close. So when it's close, you have
to look at other variables, like the fact that Oklahoma
was a was a conference champion. They finished with one loss.
They avenged that one loss. I mean Georgia, they didn't
play anybody in the AUTO conference. They played two top
five teams this season they lost the conference conference. Um
strength has that doesn't play in the factor here? Well,

(01:23:45):
why don't we just put four SEC teams in? I
mean good to Again, well, four SEC teams aren't deserving.
But but what what what what does what does that
have to do with anything? Just because one conference is better,
you don't take all four teams from one conference? Is
that what you're saying, Well, you're saying the argument for
George is that the SEC is better. Say yes, I'm
saying the Yes, I'm saying that the SEC is better

(01:24:08):
than the Big ten. That's one of the arguments I'm
giving for Georgia, but not all of them. But that
doesn't mean you take four teams from the SEC. That's ridiculous. Well,
I think it's ridiculous to take two in this particular circumstance.
If Georgia had been undefeated coming into this game and
it was one versus two and he came down the
final play, that's fine. But to me, Georgia had two

(01:24:29):
chances to be the top five team this year they
lost to both. They've had two chances in the last year.
And I know you always bring up this point, and
it's correct. Last year doesn't matter. For this year they've
They've twice had the chance to beat Baman, couldn't. I mean,
my argument is, how many chances do we give Georgia.
They have two losses, they didn't win the last year,
doesn't I don't know what last years they have two losses.
This year they didn't win the SEC. I mean, what

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is this like? We keep giving them chances like if
they lose, if we put them in the playoff and
haven't even we haven't given them one chance that we
gave him a chance today they lost alp They earned that.
They earned that chance today, and they blew in what
we gave them that We didn't give him nothing. If
we put him into the four team playoff, then we're
giving him a shot. Yes, you're giving them a hundred

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You are a hundred percent right, Arnie. If we put
them in, we give them something that they did not earn.
I totally they earned today, did they know? You don't
think they earned today? They earned today to be in
the SEC championship game. They didn't win, Aarnie. When you
when your son is playing hockey, does he get a
juice box in and uh you know, uh orange slices
in the open when he gives up. Even though when

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they lost this weekend, they're still gonna be sixteen teams
going to the playoffs. So even though the team that
beat him is gonna go, they still may go also.
Oh sure, but if they're the seventeenth best team, they
shouldn't be allowed into a sixteen team field. You shouldn't
put a more qualified team out to get a team
in regardless how many teams are j is repree me, hey, Arenie,
picking two teams number four. Uh for such a it's

(01:25:58):
a cop out. Good off your butt A pick at
the I told you I am picking Alabama, Clempson, Notre Dame,
and Georgia is my top four. But I know tomorrow
at noon the selection committee is going to pick Oklahoma
over the Georgia Bulldogs. Is that picking two teams? I
don't understand that. Now. I generally don't like to defend

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you on anything, but now you're you're just you're just
giving your opinion versus what you your opinion of what
you think should happen versus will happen. By the way, Arnie,
I was during the break looking at the calendar. Guess
what what? Those two college football playoff games that aren't
going to include Georgia, by the way, are on December
twenty nine, which is a Saturday. Right, You and I

(01:26:40):
are gonna be on air. That's gonna be awesome. I'm
just excited. Well, what the games are usually earlier, we're
we're probably gonna be uh yeah, we'll be on the
air when the games are over, though they won't be
on what we're on. I know, I can't wait until
Oklahoma gives Alabama game, and then I'm gonna ask you.
I'm gonna say, so, Oklahoma almost beat Alabama, do they
get another shot at them next week? That's gonna be me.

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I'm just warning you. Four weeks from now, I'm just
telling it's gonna happen. Okay. Well, except for the fact
is is that it's an elimination game. Soever today was.
Today was not an elimination game. Had Georgia one, Alabama
would still be in it. Are you saying no, no,
Alabama had a different resume in the same way that
this was no by no means an elimination game. Well,

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but it Alabama had a different resume, just like Clemson
and Pitt had different resumes. If Pitt wins, they're the big,
they're the big whatever, they are a CEC champ. And
if Clemson wins, then they're the a CEC champ and
go to the playoff. It's two different things. Yeah, but
it's not. It's not an elimination game like you say
it is like it is in the n C Double
A Tournament. In basketball, Alabama was going win or lose

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unless they would have gotten blown up by like five touchdowns.
Then maybe you could have made a case that they
wouldn't even have gotten the top four. Maybe ask you
you don't have a problem putting two SEC teams in
if Alabama loss, though, do you know? Because Alabama had
a resume that was worthy of it and one so,
but when I say the SEC was a better conference,
you'd say, well, let's put all four teams. Let's put

(01:28:08):
four teams in there. No, Alabama's resume is into if
if a Big ten team had beaten every team in
their con for every team on their schedule by twenty
two or more points, and then they lost to the
number four team in their conference championship game, I would
still put them in alright, stinking Genius one, if you
want to, I don't. I didn't even I don't even

(01:28:29):
know what you said. To be honest with you. You
like this because any other it's like that you went
to a junior college. That's the problem. That's that's got
to be the problem, Not that everybody that's going to
junior college is gonna be sending you a tweet at
Aaron Underscore Torres, who's ripping the junior college circuit? Now
I see, and I'm at stinking Genius one. If you

(01:28:50):
want to get ahold of me, you tell us who
your number four pick is going to be. UM, it's
pretty much gonna be Oklahoma or george unless you can
make a gate for Ohio State out there, UM and
Central Florida, there's going to be no case for that,
so UN unless you want to make a case for them,
are and unlet's do you think they should get in?
I think I can make a stronger case or I would.

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I would make a stronger case for Central Florida than Georgia.
They have a better resume, Central Florida than Georgia. They
didn't lose twice. Is that the OI thing? Yeah? I
don't think Central Florida has a better better argument than say, Oklahoma.
I don't have a better argument than any of the
teams out there than Oklahoma, Georgia, or Ohio State. They're

(01:29:35):
not better than Oklahoma, Georgia or Ohio State and they
play in that horrible conference. You can't really quickly. I
don't know if you saw this, but after the a
c C Championship game, the pit coach pattn Ar Doozy
pit played both Central Florida and noted amount of conference
and he said that he thought Central Florida was the
better team tonight. Good. Good for him. So I'm just

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succording according to and then sent for did you get
on in? I don't know. I'm just saying I'm just
I'm just sharing facts here. I mean, you know we
are a news and information show. I'm just sharing facts here.
Why shouldn't Central Ford to get in over one loss
other Oklahoma or two loss Georgia. I would have no
problem if they got in. But if we're talking I
would have no problem. But if they're not one of

(01:30:20):
the top four teams in the country just because they're undefeated,
you want to put them in. If we're talking best,
I want to put them in. But if somebody else
had the definition of best, if the committee thirteen people
decided that being thirteen and oh this year and being
undefeated constitutes best, I would have no problem that. No,
that doesn't conde. What doesn't constitute this is This is

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why I need to be on the committee. I really do. Really,
why is that so you can put all your sec
friends in or what? I don't know how Why do
they pick the people they pick? I wanted condolesa Rights
was on the committee. Why why can't I be on
the committee? She didn't go to junior college. She went
to Stanford. That's a real school. I went to. Result

(01:31:00):
is a real school. When we beat you tomorrow, you'll
see what a real school we are if I promise
you that. So you're sending me a cow? Is that
what we agreed on in our bet? Is that what happened? Yeah,
I'll send you a cow from from Vermont, the farm
of the table. Stuff on that. Send me some Ben
and Jerry's I don't make it on time, right before
before it gets you have been and Jerry's out there
just on the market. That's true. I guess you're right.

(01:31:22):
All right. Let's get to Week thirteen of the NFL.
Much better matchups than the war last year. Let's start
just quickly though, touch on Thursday's game with the Cowboys. Um,
what a defensive effort. I haven't seen a defensive effort
like that since like the old Bears. And I know
they didn't shut them out, but giving up ten points
that's just as good as a shutout. That was an unbelievable,

(01:31:45):
unbelievable effort by the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, no, I totally
agree it was. It was kind of weird to watch
in terms of like the Saints just they were not
clicking all night. Drew Brees wasn't himself a hundred twenty
seven yards. But I gotta give credit to the Cowboys
on that one a little bit. Uh. It's amazing with
the Cowboys every week, like even by the way way

(01:32:06):
even when they win, like the defense was phenomenal, but
the offense, it's still kind of that. Is he really
the guy? You know? Zeke's been playing well, but every
week it feels like this is gonna be the week
the Cowboys drop off. I thought they would lose to
the Redskins on Thanksgiving Day. They end up winning that game.
And to see them do this, I mean, they are
slowly taking control of that NFC East. But I'll still

(01:32:27):
say that whenever they get into the playoffs, whoever they
play in the first round, I'm gonna pick against him.
Probably well, not if they play defense like that, that's
gonna be a whole another story. But what a what
a great effort, what a great move stop in the
Saints like that. I never thought that a defense could
stop New Orleans. I thought maybe they can hold them
the twenty four points or something, but but shutting him

(01:32:48):
out in the first half and only ten for the game.
That that's just as good as a shutout. That's like
negative points when it's all said on Aaron, Oh yeah, No,
I mean because even when New Orleans lost earlier this year,
it was all the way back in Week one, they
scored forty points. It was it was day one of
Fits Magic before he became Fits Tragic, and then Fits
magic and now Fits Tragic again. Um So even when

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they lost earlier in the year, it was by putting
up a bunch of points. I'm with you. If you
had told me that Cowboys had won this game on
Wednesday night or Thursday morning, I would have said they
would have had to somehow find a way to put
up like thirty eight plus. Because that's just through the
Saints have been this year. I mean even uh, it's
been unbelievable. We've talked about the last couple of weeks,

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but they've had weeks where it looks like okay on paper,
maybe this is a week they take a step back,
they have a drop off, and they just continued to roll.
It was, it was it's just shocking, just shocking the
final result and just how the Cowboys were able to
win that game by the way, are you eight numbers
probability type guy or no, not really, I mean it
depends for talking college football playoff two lost team then yeah, no, no, no,

(01:33:54):
that well that well, okay, explain what you mean by that,
though I was kidding. I was saying that if if
a team like Georgia hypothetic, just hypothetically, if a team
like Georgia had two losses, then the numbers and probability
tells me they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Well,
I think the well, there's actually real probability in real numbers.
I think Georgia had a five percent chance um to

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get in for the number four seed from what I
just saw. Um. But what caught my eye was that
Ohio State was seventy one chance to get the number
four spot. Interesting, so the Oklahoma six percent chance to
get to get the number four spot. Who what numbers
were those from? Yeah, who's not who? Number who. I

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don't know what mathematician came up with it, but that's
what they came up with. Probably went to Arizona. That
can be my only guest. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what.
We'll we'll get more into Week thirteen of the NFL
when we get back, and we'll take more of your tweets.
He's Aaron Torres, I'm Marty Spaniard, this is Fox Sports
Are Radio, all right? What does it mean when Gey
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(01:35:00):
on a more in car insurance? Uh? I meansor probably
should have gone the Geico dot com fifteen minutes ago. Um,
just a couple of things real quick. Aeron Kirk curb
Street had Georgia as number four seed, and the math
probabilities have Ohio State at to get that number four spot.
What are we missing here? I I'm not not everybody's

(01:35:22):
uh coming up with different number four is I I'd
be shocked if Ohio State actually did jump both those
teams and and got to the number four spot. I
don't know what I'm missing here, to be honest with you, Aaron, Yeah, No,
I mean you talk about a situation where people would
talk about favoritism and elitism. I mean, all three of
these are traditionally great programs, and obviously I think most

(01:35:43):
people probably don't want to see a second SEC team,
but to see Ohio State jump from six to four,
which means they're they're they're gonna uh reward the Big
Ten and say it's a much better conference in the
Big twelve. Yeah, and and I think overall they would
have more ends against ranked teams all that kind of stuff.
But I also think it's a full body of work.

(01:36:04):
And Ohio State was up and down, and you know,
they needed over time to beat a Maryland team that
didn't even go to a bowl game. And to the
point that you made earlier, aren't they lost by thirty
on I guess, I guess margin the victory won't make.
It doesn't make a difference, I guess in this situation. Yeah,
if these numbers are to be believed, I'd be curious
to see who's putting out these numbers. And I don't

(01:36:27):
know exactly how you know. I understand when the team
is up twenty one to three in the third they
say probability eighty nine percent or something that I understand.
I'm not sure how they even get to I'm not
sure how they came up with this. Jay says if
Ohio State gets to number four thanks to the Michigan
when I'm going to slip my wrist um, Joe says,

(01:36:48):
stick of genius. You're right, Arenie. The matchups are all
about the ratings, follow the money. Um, and that's really
what it's about. I could see. I can see that
they want to get Ohio State and to play out
abat of those Ohio State Alabama more of a ratings
grabber and moneymaker than Oklahoma Alabama. UM, I don't know it.

(01:37:09):
It'd be interesting because the debate would be would be
Urban Meyer versus Nick saban In. But then we're throwing
Ohio State Midwest against the South. Yeah, but then you
would on the flip side, you would have Kyler Murray
and TA which would basically be a matchup of the
top two Heisman guys. So I think you can make
a compace that a case that it's a compelling sexy
matchup regardless of who gets in. Um. Yeah, I don't know,

(01:37:32):
I don't I mean, I don't know who. TV would say, Well, naturally,
I would think Ohio State Alabama more nationally because once
in the Midwest, ones in the South, and both have
strong fan bases. Well, and I would add this too,
is that Ohio State has become kind of the hated
program in college football this year because of what happened
with Urban Meyer and suspension earlier in the year, and

(01:37:54):
there does seem to be a lot of like vitriol. Now,
Alabama traditionally is a hated team because they're so good
and they win all the time. Um No, I think
the more we're talking out the more that if you're
just saying what makes the better TV show, what makes
for more drama for the next four weeks. I do
think it's Ohio State, But I just don't think there's
any real sentiment publicly to jump them over Oklahoma. You know,

(01:38:18):
if I would have told you it's uh forty for
Ohio State and uh for you know, um George or
something like that, Oklahoma, then I can understand maybe the numbers,
but seventy one twenty six, that's that's a big gap there.
You know, It's like they're not even leaving no no,
you know trial Ferry here, they'd say it's gonna be

(01:38:40):
Ohio State for the most part. Yeah, And and you know,
I try to think about I mean, I guess the
only argument, look there there are plenty of arguments against Oklahoma,
but I guess what they would be saying is we
don't see you as a complete football team. We see
you as an entertaining team. We see you as um,
you know, a team that that you know, it was
fun to watch. But defense is part of the equation.

(01:39:02):
And look if they gave up forty points to Kansas
two weeks ago, if if if the committee said, like,
you gotta play both sides of the ball to get in,
I wouldn't have a problem with it. You know, you
said that Oklahoma got the revenge against Texas. Can we
say that maybe Ohio State got the revenge against Perdue
because they end up winning the conference and they ended
up beating Michigan and now they won against Northwestern is
and that kind of the same thing. Or no, well

(01:39:24):
they certainly got the last laugh. I mean, and and
you know, I mean, everyone has a bad night here
and there. But I think Ohio State was the best
team in the Big Ten, and the best team in
the Big Ten won the conference. I don't know we
should punish what I guess what I'm saying we should
punish Ohio State anymore? Uh for losing to Purdue, whether

(01:39:45):
it was by one or by thirty, I guess, But
maybe that's not the way other people think about it. Yeah,
and I mean, and I will say I mean the
last two or three weeks. Now. The thing with Ohio
State that we have to remember is even after that
loss to Purdue, they went into a bye and they
really struggled. After the bye two they barely beat Nebraska,

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which is a team that finished below UM. They struggled
against Michigan State. They didn't pull away until the fourth quarter.
And so with Ohio State, you know, you can argue
that they're playing well. We had K J. Hill On
earlier in the show Aren'tie live from the field there
in Indianapolis, and he basically made the case we are
just now starting to peak. I don't disagree with that, Arn'tie,

(01:40:26):
but I also kind of feel like this has to
be a full body work and you can't just be
kind of up and down and kind of lousy for
eight or nine weeks and get a past because you
got hot at the right time, you know. And I'm mothering,
what the what the selection committee members will have to
do with this um considering two of the guys have
to recuse themselves because they're on Ohio State side. So
I'm not I'm was it was Ohio State, So I'm

(01:40:49):
curious to see how this will play out. Obviously will
know tomorrow. Uh more, Week thirteen of the NFL. Let's
start at the top of the Ravens are playing the Falcons.
Not a lot into this, but Ravens have the final
spot right now. This is a game that's winnable. The
Falcons have underachieved. The Ravens need to come in the here,
win the game, and continue to get that wild card,
otherwise they'll be in big trouble here. No, I absolutely

(01:41:12):
agree with you there, and to me, I just I'm
just kind of done with the Falcons, like I've seen
what I need to see from them. They you know,
they don't seem to come up big in these big
games when they absolutely need wins. The Ravens, I know
that with the quarterbacks and everything, but they've been playing
well over last and and it's the point that you made.
Aren't these They are still very much in the playoff race,
which is crazy. I feel like nobody's talking about it.

(01:41:35):
I do like the Ravens, but it's more of just
a bet against the Falcons. I just don't buy what
they're selling, especially with the Ravens playing well, winning two
in coming in the Rams go to Detroit. Obviously the
Rams ten and one. They want to continue lock down
that number one seed. I get a little disappointing with
the Lions, but there are former h foe here. UM

(01:41:57):
still expect the Rams to win, but I think it's
gonna be certain people expect. Yeah, you know, they're coming
off a by and I think a lot of people
forget that. But it's been two full weeks since that
Chief's game. If we were talking about a quick turnaround
six days after that Chief's game, that emotional win with
all the you know one, the the game itself, but
then to all the off the field stuff with the

(01:42:18):
California Fires, I might say, hey, watch out for an
upset here. This one may be close. But it's been
two full weeks. The Lions kind of are who they are.
Uh They they lost on Thanksgiving Day to Chase Daniel.
I just don't buy the Lions as much of anything,
let alone against the Rams. Look, I don't want to
talk about the Cardinals Packers, but I do want to

(01:42:39):
talk about what are we gonna do about Aaron Rodgers
now obviously has nobody around him or not enough for
around him, or do we just not put enough for
a bond him and he should get more blame. It
was funny. I was had family over today as part
of being home back here in Harvard, and uh, one
of my family members just came, you gotta talk about Rogers.
You got to talk about Rogers. This guy isn't that good,

(01:43:02):
he's overrated, blah blah blah. Look. I think to me,
this is a kind of perfect storm of events. And
I don't know if you agree disagree. I'd love to
hear your opinion, Arny, but uh, not a lot of
skilled position guys around him. He's been banged up since
that first week against the Bears. He obviously doesn't get
along with Mike McCarthy. Does he get along with anybody? Well?

(01:43:23):
You know, I mean, look, I mean I think that
what I do, think he's difficult, but I also think that, um,
they have had success in the past, and they've seemed
to get along in the past. But this year, I
don't know, it just feels like that perfect storm of events,
a rage getting a little bit older too. Maybe he's
losing patients seeing that windows start to close with him
some oh, and it's closing, and it's closing quickly too.

(01:43:43):
I didn't even think about his retirement, uh, coming into
this year, and now I think about it a lot.
When he's going. I think he's always got like about
what three four or five years left? Yeah, I mean, look,
he's thirty four years old and he's going to be
thirty five. I guess tomorrow. Actually happy birthday? Birthday? A yeah,
oh thank you. My birthday is not till July. Oh,
Aaron Rodgers, my batman ban I sorry, I get confused there. Um,

(01:44:06):
So he's gonna be thirty five years old tomorrow, and
we all think that, like Tom Brady, Oh because tom Brady.
Just because Tom Brady is doing it doesn't mean everybody
else can. And Rogers he's more of a mobile guy.
He takes more hits, he puts his body on the
line more. As I said from the beginning, he's been
banged up. I'm with you, Arenie. He doesn't seem to
be the same guy in turn, because he's not the

(01:44:26):
same guy, the Packers aren't the same team. I don't
know what his shelf life is. I think he's still
got a couple of good years left, but it's clear
that maybe it's closer to them than we thought. Mike says,
just making six teams in with the top two getting
a bye, and we could all have conference champions in
plus one. Go do it now, aren'tie. I don't want buyes.
I hate that the NFL doesn't. I hate when the

(01:44:47):
Patriots gonna buy into a home game and it's horrible.
I let's all play. Let's do four or eight, not six,
nothing in between. No boys, No boys in the be
A in the first round. No body's in the NHL
in the first round. All right, sixty four teams. Everybody
in our eats everybody in. I don't want everybody, but

(01:45:10):
we could just take eight. That's only adding for you.
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first let's check it with the saga. See what's what's
going on to say? If it ever does expand eight,
the first round would have to be at home at campus.
Fine with that. That's good because you can't pay bowl
prices three weekends in a row and hotels and three
different cities and you don't know where you're getting to.
Just people never think of that. I'm not for the

(01:45:56):
neutral site games anyway. I think they should be at
home right now, even with four. I do think a
top seed should have some sort of advantage. Bye would
do that kind of like remember when wild cards started
in baseball and there was really not a big deal
whether you were a division champion or a wild card.
There should be some advantage to being undefeated, for example,
and number one. But anyway, quite a comeback for the

(01:46:17):
SEC crown. Today in Atlanta, Number one Alabama beat number
four Georgia thirty. Great stat from the Athletic that these
two classic matchups, last year's final and then today's game,
there have been nearly three hundred total plays. Alabama led
for nine of them, three percent of the games one
both games. Jalen Hurts off the bench late today touchdown pass,

(01:46:40):
touchdown run to a tongue of volo with the bad
ankle was finally carted off in the fourth quarter. He
had one t D two interceptions, but in a win
number two, Clemson stayed undefeated, ripping Pit in the A
C C Title game. In the rain forty two to ten,
Pitts quarterback went four for sixteen eight yards, passing three
turnovers a combined sixteen punts in this one. Pitt had

(01:47:02):
fifteen drives, eleven first downs, victories for Oklahoma and Central
Florida for app State and U A B and conference championships. Also,
Ohio State ranks six, was up on Northwestern in the
Big Ten championship game. Buckeys led thirty one with ten
minutes to go. Twenty four is the final Buckets offense,
thirty one first downs over six hundred yards in fact,

(01:47:24):
nearly five hundred yards passing from Dwayne Haskins. He had
five t D passes, and in the snow at Boise
State at top twenty five matchup to decide the Mountain West,
Fresno State wins in OT nineteen sixteen, blocking an extra
point attempt in the fourth quarter, getting obviously a field
goal in the overtime, sixteen total punts in the snow
Fresno State at fifteen drives, only fourteen first downs and

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(01:48:30):
then beat Stanford in overtime nine to eighty four. Houston
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that's figuring out which way is easier. Um. Getting a
lot on the on Twitter, like this one from Darryl
Stink of Genius. Wait until you hear Plank tomorrow. He's
going to go off on Herb Street. Herbie was panthering
for Georgia to get in. If that happens, I can't
listen tomorrow. Plank will lose his freaking mind. I really

(01:49:13):
hope Oklahoma gets in. Actually it's a money thing. So
that from Daryl out there? Uh, Susan stink of genius,
are you sitting down? I'm taking Notre Dame out of
the college playoffs because they don't play a championship game,
putting the Sooners in at number three in either Georgiana
and Ohio State in the final spot. Another one that

(01:49:34):
says how many games you want these kids to play? Twenty? Um,
I didn't say twenty. You can take away the conference championships. Um, Aaron,
I'll let you come in on this one. I'm an
Ohio State immediately biased fan, but tell me it does
Oklahoma have a better win in Ohio State at Penn
State or crushing Michigan. Ohio States defense is sixty seven

(01:49:58):
compared to Oklahoma, which is won eleven, offenses are one
and two. How do I get Oklahoma is ahead of
the buck Eyes at all? I don't get how that is.
So this is the argument that I've been making all
day is I think that they're the more complete team.
Like you asked me, if if you know if Oklahoma
or Georgia played, who would you pick? And whatever I've

(01:50:20):
been saying all along, I think Ohio State is the
best option of all of the eleven and twelve and
one Big Ten champ They play both sides of the ball.
They've been up and down, but they're peaking at the
right time. They're playing really well. And as you just said, Arnie,
win at Penn State win over Michigan. By the way,
that note north uh Northwestern team that they played today

(01:50:42):
was ranked. I'm not saying that's the win that you
hold your head on for the entire season, but it's
another quality win. If you're asking me who I think
is the most competitive team and that I think can
actually go to the playoff and compete with the other
three teams there if we do assume it's Alabama, Clemson,
and Notre Dame. I actually do think it's Ohio State.
But do you think they'll get in? Though, No, I don't.
I don't, and I'll tell you this. I thought we

(01:51:04):
actually gotta even though the numbers say they are going
to get in, Well, it's one whatever numbers those are,
it's one person's numbers. I mean, you know, every person
has statistics that they can lean on to make their point.
I actually thought we got another good one in from
IVY ten one eight eight, and he said the selection
committee will pick Ou over O s U because no

(01:51:24):
one wants to be talking about urban meyern Zack Smith
again for three weeks during the holiday season. Buck eyes,
out of sight, out of mind. You know, Arnie, I
was thinking about this when I saw that tweet. Remember
last year in the n c A Tournament, how randomly
quote unquote, and I use air quotes to say randomly,
all those college basketball teams that were caught up in
the FBI probe got left out of the tournament, like

(01:51:47):
Louis Voy not all of them. Arizona made it, but
most of them or they got a tough draw. I
mean Arizona got sent up to Boise, and they had
they had to play Buffalo in the first round, they
would have to play Kentucky. All Burn got sent across country.
So I think there's something to it. Where does do
the powers that be in college football? Do they want

(01:52:08):
to have to potentially hand Urban Meyer that Crystal Trophy
or I guess it used to be a Crystal Trophy
in in three weeks? Can you imagine if they won
the national championship and Urban Meyers up there holding up
that trophy? Um, Kevin says, I want to see Oklahoma
versus Alabama. Nick Saban has had trouble with motor Mobile
quarterbacks tebow Manzal Watson. It would be fund seeing Murray

(01:52:31):
go against that defense. Yeah, I think that's a lot
of the narrative. And then of course Tuah and Murray
could potentially be should probably be one two in the Heisman.
I mean, I don't know, five weeks for saving to
prepare for Kyler Murray. I feel pretty good about that. Yeah,
I feel pretty good about By the way, I'm gonna watch,
I'm gonna go see Kyler Murray in person. Uh. In

(01:52:53):
the summer, I heard tell me gonna be playing for
the Vermont Lake Monsters. When he uh, I'm assuming he's
gonna play for the Vermont Lake Monsters, which is the
single way affiliate for the Oakland A's on who he
was drafted by. So he'll be out here all summer long,
and hopefully I'll get him on the show. Usually they're
pretty good at stuff like that. I'm obviously you're gonna
wait till football has done, but we'll get to see

(01:53:15):
him out here walking around Burwington, Vermont. How about that?
I've heard, uh, is Chris Plank going to be coming
out to do some shows? He would love to do it.
You know, we were talking about this locally. Would that
make you want to run out and get season tickets
or a guy? I said, I would go to a
couple of games just to watch him. But I don't
know if I'm gonna run out and get season tickets
to the Lake Monsters, um just to see him? You know? Yeah, no,

(01:53:38):
I might go for a game or two. I don't
know much that would get me to minor league baseball
if Tebow can't give him. It's fun though, it's fun.
It is fun. It is fun for like a night
on a Tuesday. I don't know. I don't know about
season Tuesday's hot dog Heaven. Well, that's a reason to
go for you, Kyler Murray. I want hot dogs, all right.
Vikings Patriots? How about that? Here in Foxborough? Vikings six

(01:54:01):
four and one, but the only really bad loss they've
had was at home to the Buffalo Bills. I don't
even know what that team was. But otherwise I think
the Saints, the Rams. This team is a lot better
than their six four and one record shows. Um, Yet
nobody really give you much of a chance because they're
going into New England where the where Tom Brady is
just almost unbeatable at home. I think this one's gonna

(01:54:21):
be a real good one. If there's going to be
a major upset, I think in Minnesota might come in
because again, their defense can really put it on Tom Brady,
and I don't think they have enough offensive weapons. I
kind of like Minnesota in this one. Yeah, it's crazy.
I saw the stat today, Arny. So we all remember
that with the Vikings, that that loss on a Thursday
night to the Rams when we all realize, oh my goodness,

(01:54:42):
the Rams are good. But since then, the Vikings have
given up two hundred seventy six yards per game on defense,
which is by far, yes, by far, the best in
the NFL. What I think is interesting is everyone's focused
on the Patriots here, but the Vikings very much in
the thick for a wild card birth, and I guess
potentially they're still in that division race as well. They

(01:55:03):
have a tough home stretch, and this isn't one that
they can just say, well, you know, we'll get healthy
and get better next week. They this is one that
they gotta really try to compete in and win in.
Not that guys don't compete every single week, but I'm
just saying they have a tough stretch. They have to
play at Seattle next week, and then they close with
a couple of division games, So this is one that
they got to try and get if they can get it.

(01:55:25):
By the way, the Kansas City Chiefs have not locked
up that division by a long shot. They've got a
one game weed over the Chargers, So you know, even
though the Charges lost him in the opening game of
the season, they'll get him again in Kansas City if
they could pull that one off. Hey, that's that's a
toss up down the stretch. I that's gonna be a
great one to see you. But Kansas City is not

(01:55:45):
a shoeing to win that division. No, they're not. I
don't think they'll be affected by this week's news with
Kareem Hunt against the Raiders. I know they're going on
the road. It's a division game. These teams see each
other twice a year. I don't buy that the Raiders
that the Raiders can take them down down. But uh,
they still got to play with the Chargers, and the
Charges are playing really well. I know they lost a
couple of weeks ago, but other than that, they have

(01:56:06):
been red hot over the course this year. It is funny.
I was looking at the standings myself this morning, any
that was one thing that jumped out to me, how
very much the Chargers are still very much in this
division rate. What do you think about the Charges going
to Pittsburgh. I mean, first of all, I'm curious to
see what everyone bell ends up next year. But besides that, though, uh,
monster game, because Pittsburgh they can't afford to lose, because

(01:56:28):
they're fighting get out with the New England Patriots to
get that first round by and home field advantage, and
right now, the last thing they need to do is
go to New England in the playoffs. Totally agree. I
think last week was just one of those anomaly games.
It feels like we get get those with the Steelers.
Every single year, we get one where they just have
a total dud. Last week seemed like that game. I

(01:56:50):
know the Charges are really good. It's pretty tough to
ask them, though, to fly across country play on a
Sunday night. I don't know. I think the Steelers bounce
back here. They've got so many wet hapens on offense.
They last week was not reflective of who they are,
and even as bad as they played, they still had
a chance to win it down the stretch late before
they lost. All Right, we'll come back. We'll give you

(01:57:11):
your picks for the games tomorrow. That is next. He's
Aaron Torres. I'm already Spanier. This is Fox Sports or Radio. Alright,
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get to her. And Adam Schefter has tweeted out that

(01:57:33):
former Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt will be
interviewed tomorrow before the games go off, like at eleven o'clock. So, uh,
Lisa Salters will talk to Kareem Hunt tomorrow. U should
be interesting to see what he's got to say, no
doubt about that. Aaron, Yeah, absolutely, and um, you know

(01:57:55):
obviously spin controls going on right away right boom along.
Absolutely absolutely, And I would say one thing too really quick,
aren't because we didn't spend a ton of time on it.
And I will make it a positive ending to this
show outside of the Kareem Hunt stuff we talked about
at the top. But let's give one more or I
will give one more quick shout out to Jalen Hurts.
This guy gets benched in the middle of the National

(01:58:16):
Championship game last year, could have left Alabama, decides to
stay for twelve thirteen weeks, prepares he could know that
he could go in at any point. He gets called
the biggest stage, biggest moment, leads a team to victory.
I just thought that was such a cool story. We
spent so much time debating who's number four. I think
we've kind of forgotten about that one a little bit.
Totally agree. Also, Dave Purdham tweeted out the MGM race

(01:58:40):
book just took a three thirty thousand dollar bet on
the Atlanta Falcons minus two and a half against the
Ravens tomorrow. So there you go. Well there, I think
I said in the last segment that I like the Ravens. Uh.
Somebody with large deep pockets. Maybe Arnie Spanner, I don't know,
disagrees with me, and I was on the other side
on that one, but I'm not been three thousand, that's

(01:59:01):
for damn sure. Give us a little music, Let us
give you our picks, will give you three of them. Um,
let me start. I've taken Pittsburgh minus the three against
the Charges at home. Um, look all respect to the Chargers.
Steers playing at home though with the weather, long flight,
Pittsburgh's again at seven and three, must win situation seven

(01:59:23):
three and one. I think they come up big. They
have put up a good defensive effort. I think they
beat the Chargers. Give me Pittsburgh minus three. I will
stay with kind of that. A f C West vibe
um Kansas City at Oakland. It opened at fifteen down
to fourteen. I know. The easy thought here is no
Kareem Hunt. Emotional week for the Chiefs. Maybe it's a

(01:59:45):
close game. I actually see the opposite. I think they
have to open it up more. They don't have the
ground attack that they once did with Kareem Hunt. They
open it up more. They throw the ball deep. We
know the Raiders don't have the horses to keep up.
I think this one gets ugly in favor of the Chiefs.
My pretty and last week was that the Texans would
win out all the rest of their games and finished
thirteen and three. Well, they won one of them. I

(02:00:06):
think five more to go. I'm gonna stay with the
hot hand here. They look good, much better than I
gave them credit for. I I left them for dead
at oh and three. Give me the Texans minus four
and a half against Cleveland. I think that's a bargain.
I completely disagree. Yeah, the Texans are hot, but we've
seen in eight We've seen in the last couple of

(02:00:26):
weeks with the Saints they looked unbeatable. Um, the Chargers
were unbeatable till they lost a few weeks ago the Steelers,
and I think it's the Texans turn this week. Cleveland
has been in the fire. Baker Mayfield, all that nonsense.
What did he say about Hugh Jackson? Is it right?
Is it wrong? I think he uses that motivation to prove, Hey,
I'm the guy here. Now, I'm the captain. Now he's

(02:00:49):
gonna take it out against that Houston defense. Alright, Minnesota
Vikes don't want the five, don't need the five. I'm
taking the five. Love the upset. I think they come
in and do a good job defensively. Put a lot
of restaurant Tom Brady, they would this game last one
from me, your New York football giants, Arnie. I hate

(02:01:10):
to say it, man, I think it's done. Last week
was the was the last stand. The white flag has
been raised. I know Chicago Chase Daniel looks like he
is going to play again tomorrow, but Chicago one. Chicago
needs to keep winning to stay alive in the NFC
North playoff race. Obviously, we talked about the Minnesota Vikings

(02:01:32):
closing in on them. They are close. Chicago wins and
wins big in midlife real quick. The number four team tomorrow,
I've changed my mind. I guess the numbers to say
that's gonna be Ohio State. They say they're they're gonna
be number four. Yeah, the numbers say all sorts of things, Arenie.
I gotta go with my gut. I I I think
part of it is they don't want to reward Ohio

(02:01:52):
State after everything that happened in the off season. I
will stick with Oklahoma and that number four spot. Thanks
to Vinnie producing the show, Thanks to the Sacred, thanks
to Ray, to Ryan. Come it up now, my name
straight out of Vegas. What Bertie Fratto. Bertie loves me.
He'll give you the Vegas perspective. Maybe he'll tell you
Vegas is going to tell you who the number four
team is going to be. So stick around for Bertie Puzzle.

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