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In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview about whistleblowing, conspiracy and th...

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?

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In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate.

They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.

They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford ...

In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.

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Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.

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In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told u...

After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system woul...

Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine.  It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the ...

Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview wit...

Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not ...

In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabricating evidence and of creating a ch...

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.

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It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!

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In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.

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The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.

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Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was  Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.

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Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction.

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Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.

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