The Rub: a podcast about massage therapy
Join Healwell in examining and bringing context to the world of massage therapy beyond the table. We have ideas. We have opinions. We want change, and that will only come with an understanding of who and what massage therapy truly is. A variety of topics are up for grabs: history, philosophy, development, and all the other shiny things that fascinate us. Healwell is a non-profit based out of the Washington DC area. Check us out at www.healwell.org
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We’ve all felt the frustration. How can we make therapeutic massage accessible? On top of that, how can we do that while maintaining professional value and sustainability? Many well-intentioned practitioners turn to volunteerism as a solution, offering free services at community events, for hospital staff, at health fairs, and just about anywhere else we’re invited.
While this impulse comes f...
Welcome to Practice-Based Research Networks (PBRNs); a simple idea with big potential!
The Massage Therapy Foundation is building MassageNet, the largest (and only) international PBRN dedicated specifically to therapeutic massage.
And they’re building it for you.
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Emotional labor is work that involves managing your and other people’s emotions. Emotion management (also known as emotion work) is how you actively shape and direct your feelings. Emotion management happens internally and is a private activity. It becomes emotional labor when that private activity becomes public work.
This distinction matters.
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“Everyone who is engaging with humans—as a teacher, a psychotherapist, as a bodyworker—should be aware of the state of the other,” Porges explained.
It’s not dismissive to say this. It’s foundational. Take a moment to consider how often you truly do this in your work. I’m not talking about structural or postural assessment, at least not in the way that many manual therapists typically do. I’m tal...
The massage therapy profession has problems. We have so many problems, those problems have bred and now have enough problematic offspring to hold a problematic family reunion.
You’re probably reading our Substack because you see these problems and you want to know how to fix them. You’ve probably thought of some plans yourself. How many times have we all had conversations that start with “Well, wh...
The Work We Do But Won’t Name
Scholars who study labor have a term for work that involves “particularized knowledge and sustained personal attention.” They call it intimate labor. According to scholar Viviana Zelizer’s framework, this work includes things like shared secrets, bodily information, awareness of personal vulnerability, interpersonal rituals, and private languages.
Read that list again....
The massage therapy landscape is shifting with regulatory changes and developments across states, including the Interstate Massage Compact passing in five states and ongoing advancements in state licensing requirements. Recent months have seen significant changes including Vermont's increased registration fees, Idaho's elimination of continuing education requirements, and new regulations addressing human tra...
Regulation might sound like the least exciting topic in massage therapy, but it's actually the battleground where our professional identity and future are being decided.
Massage therapy regulation is far more than bureaucratic red tape; it's a dynamic system that establishes professional standards, protects the public, and helps define who controls the massage profession's territory. We break down the co...
Read our blog post for more in-depth information on why CAMTC should be sunsetted.
California is one of only five states without massage therapy licensing, operating instead under a questionable "voluntary certification" system run by the California Massage Therapy Council (CAMTC). This system requires minimal education, no continuing education, and no examination, while creating barriers for therapist mobili...
Healwell's Glossary of the Massage Therapy Profession
New Healwell Class: Cultural Competency for Bodyworkers and Healthcare Providers
Healwell News 1:24
State and National News 2:13
Association News 8:13
Events 10:58
Beneficial Ownership Checklist
MTF Grants
IMTRC Registration
ABMP News
AMTA News
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Corey Rivera and Cal Cates address the alarming suicide rates among massage therapists by exploring underlying risk factors, including perfectionism, isolation, and occupational stress. By recognizing these nuances, the conversation encourages community engagement and accountability to promot...
The episode discusses the hidden mental health crisis within the massage therapy profession, spotlighting alarming suicide rates and the pressing need for open dialogue and community support. By exploring the complexity of suicidal ideation and the current model we use to understand suicide, we aim to equip listeners with tools to recognize and address these critical issues.
Suicide hotline: call or text 988<...
Corey Rivera and Cal Cates explore the existence of rubbing robots and how (unsurprisingly?) they prompt a critical examination of what defines massage therapy. This episode dives into what the robots can and cannot do, why they're happening now, and how you need a human to do massage therapy.
Unreal Rubbing Robot Images
Michael and Aubrey's Podcast
Aescape
Alex: Massage Robotics
Phi...
Topics:
- Healwell News 0:44
- State and National News 2:44
- Massage Envy Settlement 2:49
- Association News 7:20
- AMTA, MPPR, and Veteran's Affairs 9:58
- Upcoming Live and Online events 14:30
Healwell's Glossary of the Massage Therapy Profession
Opening to the Mystery with Cal Cates (21 CEUs for most healthcare)
Department of Justice
AMTA's Letter to Veteran's Affairs
MTF Grant...
This episode contains a discussion about suicidal ideation. If you or someone you know is experiencing suicidal thoughts or crisis call or text 988 on your phone to reach the suicide hotline or click the lifeline link.
Healwell believes it is important to talk about the hard things. In this short episode, with an introduction by Cal Cates, Corey Rivera talks about their recent experience with suicidal ideati...
Topics:
- Healwell News
- State and National News
- Association News
- Upcoming Live and Online events
Healwell's Glossary of the Massage Therapy Profession
NPR: Non-Compete Ban Thrown Out
The Massage Therapy Foundation Ergonomics Project Interest Survey
MTF Public-Based Research Network
MTF Executive Director Departure (After 26 Years!)
MTF Practitioner and Student Case Report Contest
AI is everywhere. And it does everything...or does it?
In this episode we break down the different types of AI, including generative AI like ChatGPT. We'll explain how each AI type operates uniquely, with a focus on their current roles and limitations. And boy, do they have limitations.
Corey provides a clear breakdown of AI, explaining the distinction between weak AI, which performs specific ta...
Topics:
- Healwell News
- State and National News
- MPower Shut Down
- Baylor Research Article (They like us!)
- Association News
- Upcoming Live and Online events
Healwell's Glossary of the Massage Therapy Profession
ABMP News Page
AMTA News Page
USOLMT News Page
Dept of Ed Asynchronous Ban Public Comment
ABMP Nebraska Call to Action
AMTA List of Resources for MPower Students
Baylor Articl...
When is a tool a robot?
Join your host, Corey Rivera on the meandering development of tools used for massage (but not necessarily massage therapy). We'll talk about:
- Tools that help
- Tools that don't
- Tools that are robots
- Tools that are fish
Cathy Ryan, The Fascia Nerd also stops by to explain cellulite! Stay tuned after the outro to hear bonus Cathy.
Take a class with Cathy Ryan!
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